<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/7 David Robillard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d@drobilla.net" target="_blank">d@drobilla.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 09:58 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:<br>
[...]<br>
<div class="im">> So, in your honest and bold opinion as user and/or developer, what do we<br>
> lack most and what can we do without that we already have ?<br>
<br>
</div>Well, post a thread about what people think sucks, and you'll get page<br>
after page after page after page like we see here.<br>
<br>
Post a thread asking for actual help on any of these things and I'd be<br>
surprised if you get a single reply.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">sad but true ... or not ?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">i have been actively contributing to Hydrogen for over 2 years now and i have spend quite a bit of time trying to get more people involved (the drumkit contest was the most recent attempt that had some visibility, but there have been other attempts)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
my conclusion is that it _is_ possible to attract new people, but you have to invest a LOT of time into it. A general 'we are looking for people to help out' broadcast is ok for a start, but once/if you get a reaction you need to make sure that you email this person directly, keep in touch and keep motivating him/her _constantly_ </div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">After all you are relying on someones goodwill so you need to keep them happy. (this might sound weird or plain wrong, but that's the reality)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Lucky for me i'm no good at coding anyway, so i'm not wasting time (that i could use to write code) talking to people</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">On the other hand i know that there are a lot of people out there that want to help, but automatically think that we only need people that write code. </div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Not true of course !</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
IMHO keeping the manual/site/forum clean and up to date is JUST AS IMPORTANT as delivering good apps</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sadly it sometimes happens that we simply scare off these people due to too much tech talk, or because of the need to 'stay in charge of our beloved project'</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Also this is perfectly understandable, but i feel that any project would benefit from having 1 ore more non-technical people that 'interface' between the user and the developer </div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Hydrogen was the audio app that triggered my interest in linux and linux audio (now over 7 years ago) but sadly i had to stop working on the project recently due to a lac of time and a change in priorities.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
However, i hope i can find some spare time in the near future and jump back on board ;-) there is always work to be done !</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
after writing this i am still left with 1 final question :</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is good that we can have this kind of discussion, and i think we all see and knowledge that there are several challenges, but ...</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">will we find a way to come together and make this work ... ?</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Linux audio rocks !</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Grtz</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Thijs</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
The one and only thing we lack is people doing constructive work.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Please, try to speak your piece without flames or dissing other<br>
> developers and/or their work. Frankly speaking, I've had enough of<br>
> that crap, and I'm most thankful these days for such forum amenities<br>
</div>> as, "mute user" and autodiscard, along with the standard filters found<br>
> in mail clients.<br>
<br>
The only appropriate response to complainers. We all complain<br>
sometimes, but people who do nothing but complain are nothing but toxic.<br>
<br>
I hope this thread didn't go that way, but I'm sure as hell not going to<br>
read it to find out ;)<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-dr<br>
<br>
</font></span><br>_______________________________________________<br>
Linux-audio-dev mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org">Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><br><div>follow me on my <a href="http://audio-and-linux.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Audio & Linux blog</a> !</div>