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Arthur wrote:
> david wrote:
>> Arthur wrote:
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>>>   david wrote:
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>>>> Hartmut Noack wrote:
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>>>>> schoappied schrieb:
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>>>>>> As I said before, I think a forum is good for making the community more 
>>>>>> alive and more open, also for newbies. Also it good be a possibility to 
>>>>>> make things more central in combination with linuxaudio.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not put a link on the linuxaudio.org site to the forum and 
>>>>>> eventually change the name of the forum if the moderator can agree with 
>>>>>> the suggestion? Or maybe it is possible to change the forum to 
>>>>>> linuxaudio.org (I'm a noob on this area...).
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>>>>> I back that: a forum is nice in many cases, you can have pictures,
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>>>> How cute! Can we have a picture of you up there, too? ;-)
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>>> No comment.
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>> C'mon, I've heard you're a 10! ;-)
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>>   
>>>>> a powerful search-function etc.
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>>>> There already is one: Google.
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>>> Many mailing lists are not well represented on Google.
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>> That's the fault of the mailing list, not Google. Any mailing list that 
>> is shutting out the most-used web search engine is not serious about 
>> sharing its contributions with others.
>>
>>   
>>>>> PLUS: the site in question is indeed a forum only so it can serve a a
>>>>> forum-module for the 2 other sites.
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>>>>>         
>>>> Forums suck. :-P
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>>> Forums are preferred by some and certainly there is room for all 
>>> opinions. I use forums to search my own user name and solve problems I 
>>> had a year ago.
>>> They can be quite handy,
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>>
>> They're not handy enough that I'll sign up for a forum just so I can 
>> search their contents.
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>>   
>>> but of course no one is suggesting that those 
>>> who prefer mailing lists should stop using them.
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>> The only way the two different ways of communicating work together is if 
>> the two are bridged together, so that posts to one automatically show up 
>> in the other. In the past, this has always led to massive amounts of 
>> spam poisoning the email list unless some list/forum manager is working 
>> full time at keeping it out. Many lists and forums have been killed by 
>> such junk, just as their older brother (newsgroups) were killed before them.
>>
>> Forums - bah!
>>
>>   
> Hmm, I could be wrong, but it seems like some people don't care for 
> forums.
> OK, I'm with you, how can we eliminate them. I'll stop all my other 
> work and put all of my energy into stopping all of those forum jerks.
> Maybe we can start an anti-forum religion. Of course we'll need a 
> leader so please vote for me as Furer, I mean president, Wouldn't that 
> be nice. I've made myself clear already and I don't feel like this 
> discussion is benefiting anyone on this  mailing list so I must 
> refrain from enjoying myself anymore.
> But really guys, you're being very closed minded. I don't care what 
> you believe but do you have to try to make the rest of us believe it. 
> I'll know you've succeeded when there are no more forums. I hope that 
> the next time we communicate, I can help you with a problem or maybe 
> you would help me. Forums, mailing lists, IRC chat, that's what they 
> should be about,
>
> Arthur
>
> Arthur
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Hi all,

I love music. I like to make it with Linux. But I'm not a ICT student....

I like to learn which apps are useful to make music on linux and I like 
the idea and the good work of Linuxaudio.org. I like the way the 
organisation is set up (as fas as I understand) with the website, there 
members, there mailinglists, there IRC chat and the conference....

But, although I found, as a newbie, the linuxaudio.org, I didn't judged 
that website as useful in my searching tour when I started to make music 
with linux. Wiki's where old and the most of them where written by and 
for programmers or ICT students. The level of the documents where to 
high for a starter, very few had good pictures*** (of the jack 
connections for example) and it took you a week to get a app installed 
and another week to get it running... at the end you discovered that 
there was a better app or that the project was dead....

Many communication in the Linux world today is by the use of forum. Not 
many will subscribe to a mailinglist or will find the right IRC channel 
for linuxaudio (see how empty ##linuxaudio always is..). There are many 
(little) apps which are very useful but are only known by a couple of 
('linuxaudio.org-') people...

Is making music on linux only for 'geeks'?? What is free and open? 
Shouldn't also the less ICT minded and the 'newbies' or maybe the people 
with not a IQ level on university level, have the change to make music 
with Linux?

Again, I like the organisation of linuxaudio.org and the very good 
answers on this list and I'll keep posting my questions here, because of 
the useful answers, but I also want to make more people enthusiastic for 
1) making music and 2) making music on Linux!

I think a forum will make the linux audio world a lot contactable, more 
easy to join... And a good way to learn from more experienced people who 
knows which apps are useful and which are old or buggy... The forum as a 
sort of portal... And when people start the get the vibe on linux audio 
they will finally join the mailing list, the #lad channel on freenode, 
the linux audio conference and when they are older they will make the 
nicest audio apps on linux!

Regards,

Dirk


*** Of course this was meant by 'pictures' on the forum. Everybody who's 
studies some didactics knows that pictures are very important if you 
want to learn people things or make things clear!