[LAU] CENSORING public archives (Was: Problem post)

Mark Knecht markknecht at gmail.com
Tue Feb 2 11:48:27 EST 2010

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Marc-Olivier Barre
<marco at marcochapeau.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:31:33 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
>> Marc, this is a top priority matter. Could you please look into t before
>> te end of the day?
>> Many thanks!
>> Ico
>> Michael Ost <most at museresearch.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Marc,
>>>Can you help me delete a post please? We are under threat of a lawsuit
>>>because of it, so I'm eager to get this resolved. Help?
>>>Michael Ost
>>>Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
>>>> Michael,
>>>> I am forwarding this to Marc who is in charge of mailing lists.
>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>> Marc, please see below.
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>>> Composition, Music Technology
>>>> Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
>>>> Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra
>>>> Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD
>>>> CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy)
>>>> Virginia Tech
>>>> Dept. of Music - 0240
>>>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>>> (540) 231-6139
>>>> (540) 231-5034 (fax)
>>>> ico at vt.edu
>>>> http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Ost [mailto:most at museresearch.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:20 PM
>>>>> To: Ivica Ico Bukvic
>>>>> Cc: Chris Halaby
>>>>> Subject: Problem post
>>>>> Ivica,
>>>>> I made a post to linux-audio-user in January 2007 ([linux-audio-user]
>>>>> iLok protection on Linux Wed Jan 10 15:22:48 EST 2007) that violates
> an
>>>>> NDA that my company has with the copy protection company, Pace AP.
>>>>> Would you be able to delete the post for me? I found instructions for
>>>>> how to do it with the mailman mailing list program here:
>>>>> http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030681
>>>>> Thanks for your attention,
>>>>> Michael Ost
> Hello all,
> Given the nature of this discussion, I am CCing the linux-audio-user
> mailing list since this is about deleting legitimate content from the
> archives because of a company that produces some of those shitty software
> locks. I'm not gonna go easy on this.
> First of all, let me remind you, and every linux-audio-user member out
> there that the archives *ARE PUBLIC*, and thus what you post here will be
> eventually readable by the *WHOLE WORLD*.
> Read this again: the archives *ARE PUBLIC*, and thus what you post here
> will be eventually readable by the *WHOLE WORLD*
> Once more just to make sure: the archives *ARE PUBLIC*, and thus what you
> post here will be eventually readable by the *WHOLE WORLD*
> Deleting the post is not going to happen, I am only willing to censor the
> one post that poses an issue provided the name of the company is mentioned
> on a censor banner inside the post. The least we can do with such a case is
> add a little public humiliation to this.
> Also I would like to say that this is the one and only time that this
> happens. Next time, the original poster will face the legal consequences. I
> hope this is crystal clear to every one reading.
> Just to make sure we are talking about the right post, is it this one ?
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2007-January/041742.html
> I will not even read a reply that does not include the linux-audio-user
> list in CC.
> Cheers,
> --
> Marc-Olivier Barre
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> www.MarcOChapeau.org
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Hi all,
   I have no direct vested interest in any of the products or
companies involved here.

   From my POV mailing lists are public. The post is out there and all
someone has to do is copy the post and send it to 100 mailing lists
with the title "Look at the interesting post in LAU about iLok and
censoring" and it's never going to go away. I still have a copy here
in GMail. I think redacting it from one list's archives when it now
exists in literally thousands of places is pretty much a fool's

   That said, would the list manager __really__ censor something -
even just once - based on no real evidence other than the OP's
description as to the the reason it's being asked to be removed? As a
devil's advocate maybe this has nothing to do with lawsuits at all and
it's just a business decision Muse or someone else is trying to take
action on? I assume Muse has competitors. Maybe they don't want them
to know what's going on business-wise. If the list manager looks at
the NDA as well as communications from Pace to Muse, etc., and decides
that he wants to delete something then that's his business. If we list
members don't like it (and ever find out about it!!) then we can fire
him. (j/k)

   Now, I think Michael Ost has been a good contributor here over the
years and if he were personally calling me on the phone and asking me
to remove it from me personal email archives I then I would almost
certainly raise my eye-brows, smile, tease him a bit, playfully try to
extract a little extortion (1 beer Michael?) and then just do it. I
think Michael might have both a large phone bill and bar bill this
next month or two... ;-)

Just my 2 cents,

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