[LAU] digital volume sounds better at 0 dB?
robin at gareus.org
Sat Jun 19 01:26:19 UTC 2010
On 06/19/2010 01:57 AM, Bearcat M. Şandor wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 22:41 +0200, fons at kokkinizita.net wrote:
>> The meters are probably completely useless.
>> The chip used in your soundcard has a digital gain control
>> with a range of 0...-120 dB in steps of 0.5 dB. Does that
>> correspond to what alsamixer is showing ? If not you'd
>> better leave the gain at 0 dB.
> Alsamixer reports "dB gain 0.00, 0.00" to -60.00, -60.00 in .5 dB steps.
> Does that correspond to -120 dB somehow (both channels == 120 dB total)?
> (i'm a newb at all this)
No it does not add up that way. Maybe alsamixer is showing wrong
numbers?! Fons may know more.
>> If that soundcard really has the dynamic range that the
>> sales blurb claims it has, then its output level will be
>> a lot higher than what is expected by the average non-pro
>> amplifier, including 'audiophile' ones.
>> That means that you should turn down the power amp gain
>> quite a bit.
> This is a low powered 10 watt max amp (class t chip)
>> The correct alignment procedure would be:
>> 1. Play a piece of music representative of what you
>> normally listen to. Check the digital level with e.g.
>> jkmeter, For classic use the K20 mode and ensure you
>> have a level around 0 dB. For pop use the K14 mode
>> and again ensure you have around 0 dB.
> I compiled and started up jkmeter, then figured out how to output to it using qjackctl.
> The alsamixer volume controls make no difference at all to jkmeter, but adjusting the
> volume on mplayer does. Is this the expected behavior?
Yes it is. Alsamixer controls the volume in the mixer of the sound-card.
JACK is all in software. Consider the following (somewhat simplified)
(eg mplayer, ardour, jkmeter)
Soundcard ## hardware-mixer controlled by alsamixer
Amp & Speakers
When you adjust the volume in mplayer, mplayer itself scales the volume.
mplayer does not interact with the soundcard's hardware-mixer. (Well,
you can configure mplayer to do either or both, but the default with
mplayer/JACK is to use mplayer's integrated "amp".)
jkmeter (or any other JACK app) gets mplayer's audio directly from JACKd
without the audio-data going to the soundcard first.
> I was not sure how to activate K20 or K14 given
> jkmeter's interface.
You need jkmeter version >= 0.4.0.
Run `jkmeter -type k14` to get the K14 scale (k20 is the default)
`jkmeter -h` prints usage and version information.
Information on the K-system can be found in jkmeter's README and at
>> 2. Set the gain of the soundcard to 0 dB,
>> 3. Adjust the gain of the power amp to the maximum volume
>> you'd ever expect for this tyoe of music.
>> 4. If you want to avoid an analog gaing control use a software
>> gain control (preferred), or the ALSA gain setting as your
>> volume control.
> You mean individual application volume controls as opposed to the sound
> card mixer is preferred?
>> If the gain setting of the card has any impact on the magnitude
>> or phase response then simply the card is out of spec.
>> If the gain control of the power amp has any impact on the same,
>> again it's probably out of spec.
>> As long as you don't overload anything, there should be no difference.
>> Things like 'fuller bass' are impossible to comment on. If in doubt,
>> *measure* it.
> So even though turning down the apps volume control theoretically
> reduces the resolution of the sound it should have no bearing on the
> quality of the sound presented?
Reducing resolution always reduces the quality - some music just needs
to be played loud! :)
As long as you stay in the digital domain, gain changes will not effect
frequency or phase of the sound. But unless you have pro & high-quality
equipment: the analog part (soundcard, amp, speakers) does in practice
respond differently at different gain levels.
Niles Mayer recently elaborated on that:
> Or do software controls not do that at all?
As long as you stay in the digital domain (here: software) it'll be
> Thanks for the help Fons. I appreciate it and your fine software as
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