From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Aug  3 21:13:41 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:13:41 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Still here (not as often as I'd like)
Message-ID: <20130803221341.6c51f04c@debian>

We were given a beautiful garden, but dug up bits for minerals, destroyed some
for no obvious reason, hunted creatures to extinction and ruined the habitat of
others, ever expanding our numbers and influence.

Now we corrupt nature itself poisoning the land against all but a narrow set of
plants we deem important, and artificially modified to supposedly ensure their
survival.

http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Edens_Sorrow.ogg

Hope you like it.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From julien at mail.upb.de  Sat Aug  3 21:47:07 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:47:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Still here (not as often as I'd like)
In-Reply-To: <20130803221341.6c51f04c@debian>
References: <20130803221341.6c51f04c@debian>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308032341380.5779@flower.world.net>

Hello Will!
   Thanks for this latest addition to your tunes. the mixing is good and the 
arrangement, although small, is well chosen. It works well together and 
doesn't get in each others way. Some might say, this is absolute child's play 
with a small arrangement, but even with synths, you need to take care of a few 
things.
   I liked the addition of the second choir sound in the background. I assume 
it was a second choir sound and not just the lower register. Whatever it was, 
it came in nicely.
   the tune itself is definitely not my favourite one of yours. Too happy, 
especially after reading these triste, reprimanding words, which accompany the 
piece. Also it gave the appearance of being played rather haltingly, 
hesitatingly. As if you weren't sure, where to go to next. Knowing, that you 
can play differently, I asume, that this was done deliberately and later on it 
slowly winds down.
   but what can you say, I don't even like all the tunes by my favourite band 
in the world. So, I'll be happily waiting until the next tune. :-) It's good 
to know, that you are there, making music, even though you haven't done as 
much as you'd have liked to in the recent past. Such things usually go up and 
down.
   Warm regards
          Julien

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From bob at mellowood.ca  Sat Aug  3 22:18:15 2013
From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:18:15 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Still here (not as often as I'd like)
In-Reply-To: <20130803221341.6c51f04c@debian>
References: <20130803221341.6c51f04c@debian>
Message-ID: <CA+HdcZjF3Odcu7u89e76gqwZ-r-9E3httPf3vD3GfL1uk+jemQ@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice and well done, Will! I like it. I'd love to play parts of
this on my sax.

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Will Godfrey
<willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:
> We were given a beautiful garden, but dug up bits for minerals, destroyed some
> for no obvious reason, hunted creatures to extinction and ruined the habitat of
> others, ever expanding our numbers and influence.
>
> Now we corrupt nature itself poisoning the land against all but a narrow set of
> plants we deem important, and artificially modified to supposedly ensure their
> survival.
>
> http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Edens_Sorrow.ogg
>
> Hope you like it.
>
> --
> Will J Godfrey
> http://www.musically.me.uk
> Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user



-- 
**** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca
WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca

From WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sun Aug  4 21:13:10 2013
From: WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will J Godfrey)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 22:13:10 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Still here (not as often as I'd like)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308032341380.5779@flower.world.net>
References: <20130803221341.6c51f04c@debian>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308032341380.5779@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130804221310.1af88329@debian>

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:47:07 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello Will!
>    Thanks for this latest addition to your tunes. the mixing is good and the 
> arrangement, although small, is well chosen. It works well together and 
> doesn't get in each others way. Some might say, this is absolute child's play 
> with a small arrangement, but even with synths, you need to take care of a few 
> things.
>    I liked the addition of the second choir sound in the background. I assume 
> it was a second choir sound and not just the lower register. Whatever it was, 
> it came in nicely.
>    the tune itself is definitely not my favourite one of yours. Too happy, 
> especially after reading these triste, reprimanding words, which accompany the 
> piece. Also it gave the appearance of being played rather haltingly, 
> hesitatingly. As if you weren't sure, where to go to next. Knowing, that you 
> can play differently, I asume, that this was done deliberately and later on it 
> slowly winds down.
>    but what can you say, I don't even like all the tunes by my favourite band 
> in the world. So, I'll be happily waiting until the next tune. :-) It's good 
> to know, that you are there, making music, even though you haven't done as 
> much as you'd have liked to in the recent past. Such things usually go up and 
> down.
>    Warm regards
>           Julien
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

Hi Julian,
Thanks for such a detailed review. Yes, there are two distinct choir parts. The
chords and the lead were played together - look ma! both hands :) as an
improvisation, so some of the hesitation is due to that.

Later I did some timing correction magic in Rosegarden before adding the
accompanying parts, but leaving it not 'perfect' was indeed a deliberate
artistic decision.

I frequently do pensive/introspective work but downright unhappy is
something I've only done a couple of times.

-- 
It wasn't me!
(Well actually, it probably was)

From WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sun Aug  4 21:14:03 2013
From: WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will J Godfrey)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 22:14:03 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Still here (not as often as I'd like)
In-Reply-To: <CA+HdcZjF3Odcu7u89e76gqwZ-r-9E3httPf3vD3GfL1uk+jemQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130803221341.6c51f04c@debian>
 <CA+HdcZjF3Odcu7u89e76gqwZ-r-9E3httPf3vD3GfL1uk+jemQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130804221403.02dab3d8@debian>

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:18:15 -0700
Bob van der Poel <bob at mellowood.ca> wrote:

> Very nice and well done, Will! I like it. I'd love to play parts of
> this on my sax.

Please do. (email sent)

-- 
It wasn't me!
(Well actually, it probably was)

From seablaede at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 14:20:27 2013
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:20:27 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Wires for Empathy Trailer Release (Tube Open Source Video
	Project)
Message-ID: <CANo8TMo95VfbJ=aC8SoVExJ+EfNZPwbELgUAMWH47A996bK94w@mail.gmail.com>

So the Tube project has been chugging along in the background and a new
trailer has been released...

http://urchn.org/post/wires-for-empathy-trailer

All the sounds were recorded on a Tascam DR-40 with a small variety of mics
(Built In Mics for a surprising amount, SM57s, and AKG c451/ck94 on a jury
rig for a M/S combo).  Everything with one exception was done on Linux with
Ardour3.3, or git versions near that, the exception being cleaning up the
audio (Noise reduction primarily) which sad fact of life is that there
isn't much on Linux to compare to even basic tools on Mac or Windows sadly,
but will comment more on that some other time.

Many thanks to Robin Gaerus for putting up with me over the past couple
weeks as I broke and he fixed his wonderful work on the Video Timeline of
course:)

     Seablade
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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug  5 15:47:46 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 17:47:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Two little tracks
Message-ID: <51FFC922.4060107@gmx.net>


Hi,

getting back into Renoise a bit lately. So here's two rough cuts. One is 
more experimental than the other :D

https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/check-refrac

https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/whence

Have fun,
Flo

From len at ovenwerks.net  Mon Aug  5 20:28:50 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:28:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <8de4b875e40443d32be7f82015a758dd.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Wed, July 31, 2013 12:48 am, Julien Claassen wrote:

>    And here are the links:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.ogg
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.mp3
>    Or as ever from the website:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
>    This piece wouldn't have been possible without a MIDI sequencer with
> quantisation, cut/copy&paste and all the other tools of trade such
> programs
> bring into the equation. There were no software synthesizers used in this
> song, next time perhaps. :-) The main piece of equipment is a Roland
> JV-1080,
> so it's authentic at least. :-)
>    I guess with such music, there are only two ways about it: love it or
> leave
> it. :-) Which one is it for you?

My normal response to thins kind of music is to hate it. However this has
a live feel to it that is at odds with the strict quantization and makes
it much better than sounding computer generated or pieced together bits.

One of your best.

-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug  5 21:15:59 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:15:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
In-Reply-To: <8de4b875e40443d32be7f82015a758dd.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
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Hello Len!
   what did I do wrong? :-) I quantised the hell out of this and even relied on 
sampled loops. Oh deary me. Perhaps it was the solo over it. I'll reframe from 
that in future. :-)
   Warm regards and thanks
         Julien

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From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug  5 21:28:30 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:28:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Joy for Joy - a musical joke
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>

Hello again!
   So here's the second of my latest pieces. I didn't know a few days ago, taht 
I would be recording it. but it sort of forms a union with Be Frank. Different 
style and this is even less serious. In case you don't like early Enigma a 
lot, give it some time and feel it change. :-)
http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.ogg
   and for the OGG-ily challenged:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.mp3
   The instruments are more or less the same: JV-1080, MiniBrute, Microwave XT, 
DX7, this time with the addition of setBfree though. and what an addition that 
was. setBfree is really growing on me, the more I play it, the more I love it!
   And Nama has seen more improvements for live interaction, especially when 
mixing!
   Feedback is welcome. :-)
   Kind regards
         Julien

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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 21:48:22 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:48:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Joy for Joy - a musical joke
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CAL=sEa3JzTBwZH+kiRa6M9vkq3dhqQ_8ROtGm7dAeJ3=1hytRw@mail.gmail.com>

Haha! I liked this one. Especially as it felt like it was two songs in one.
What're the voices from?

I gotta know, what drumkit are you using in the beginning?! I'd love to get
a hold of that if that's possible.

Cool song! I just put it on again.

Cheers!


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello again!
>   So here's the second of my latest pieces. I didn't know a few days ago,
> taht I would be recording it. but it sort of forms a union with Be Frank.
> Different style and this is even less serious. In case you don't like early
> Enigma a lot, give it some time and feel it change. :-)
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**joy_for_joy.ogg<http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.ogg>
>   and for the OGG-ily challenged:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**joy_for_joy.mp3<http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.mp3>
>   The instruments are more or less the same: JV-1080, MiniBrute, Microwave
> XT, DX7, this time with the addition of setBfree though. and what an
> addition that was. setBfree is really growing on me, the more I play it,
> the more I love it!
>   And Nama has seen more improvements for live interaction, especially
> when mixing!
>   Feedback is welcome. :-)
>   Kind regards
>         Julien
>
> ------------------------------**----------
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug  5 22:04:37 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 00:04:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Joy for Joy - a musical joke
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Hello Gabriel!
   Cheers mate! It's good to now, that I seem to have achieved my goal there. 
:-)
   The voice is me. Recorded very dry, processed through the TAP tubewarmth 
plugin, added some filtering, EQ'ing, lots of lovely compression (with the 
Invada compressor) and some limiting with the TAP limiter.
   The drumkit will be a disappointment. It's a loop. In this song I only 
played the breaks live and even those were played on my Roland JV-1080. BUT... 
the drumkit for that loop was a Roland TR-909. The name of the loop is a 
slight give away S2S 909. :-) The bassdrum appears to be pitched up a little 
(from the original machine), the clap and rimshot are reverbed on a separate 
track. The hihats sound a little more like TR-808. The other high poing sound, 
could be a very high pitch bassdrum or a separate instrument/sound of the 
original TR-909. Unfortunately there aren't many drum machines right now, that 
faithfully immitate the 909. MFB did one, always forget if it is the 522 or 
503. One of them has just gone of the shelves, at least at musicstore. the 
next best current thing is much more expensive. There's the MFB Tanzbaer, 
which is very new and I don't really know yet, wat it can do. And there is the 
Jomox MBase 999, which is rather more expensive. We're talking 700-900 EUR. 
the 522 and 503 are/were around 250 EUR. Most of the others, that I had seen, 
emulated the TR-808, which is easier, because that didn't have any samples 
inside. But of course there are good samples of those classics boxes online. 
Perhaps you can build yourself a satisfactory kit from those.
   Warm regards
             Julien

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From alf at mellomrommet.no  Tue Aug  6 13:21:51 2013
From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:21:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Joy for Joy - a musical joke
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <5200F86F.6030104@mellomrommet.no>



On 05. aug. 2013 23:28, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello again!
>    So here's the second of my latest pieces. I didn't know a few days
> ago, taht I would be recording it. but it sort of forms a union with Be
> Frank. Different style and this is even less serious. In case you don't
> like early Enigma a lot, give it some time and feel it change. :-)
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.ogg
>    and for the OGG-ily challenged:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.mp3
>    The instruments are more or less the same: JV-1080, MiniBrute,
> Microwave XT, DX7, this time with the addition of setBfree though. and
> what an addition that was. setBfree is really growing on me, the more I
> play it, the more I love it!
>    And Nama has seen more improvements for live interaction, especially
> when mixing!
>    Feedback is welcome. :-)
>    Kind regards
>          Julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

Musically I like the first part better, but there's a something about 
the voice in the second part that contributes to its, um, catchiness.

Not deep, but quite fun listening. Thx for sharing.

Alf

From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Aug  6 13:33:25 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:33:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Joy for Joy - a musical joke
In-Reply-To: <5200F86F.6030104@mellomrommet.no>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
 <5200F86F.6030104@mellomrommet.no>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308061532430.12491@flower.world.net>

Hello alf!
   Thanks for the feedback. No, it's definitely not deep, but it was fun 
making. If it's now fun listening - at least for you -, then that's splendid.
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From alf at mellomrommet.no  Tue Aug  6 13:35:56 2013
From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:35:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Two little tracks
In-Reply-To: <51FFC922.4060107@gmx.net>
References: <51FFC922.4060107@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5200FBBC.1050409@mellomrommet.no>



On 05. aug. 2013 17:47, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> getting back into Renoise a bit lately. So here's two rough cuts. One is
> more experimental than the other :D
>
> https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/check-refrac
>
> https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/whence
>
> Have fun,
> Flo

The check track wasn't my cup of tea, too much of what I connect to 
"techno" - lots of sounds, but not much really happening.

Strange then, that the same could be said about whence, as I like that 
one a lot more. It has a vibe of 70's minimalistic krautrock and a more 
organic feel I think. Almost like it could be played on acoustic 
instruments.

Thx for sharing!

Alf

From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Tue Aug  6 13:58:19 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:58:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Two little tracks
In-Reply-To: <5200FBBC.1050409@mellomrommet.no>
References: <51FFC922.4060107@gmx.net> <5200FBBC.1050409@mellomrommet.no>
Message-ID: <520100FB.2040202@gmx.net>

On 06.08.2013 15:35, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
>
>
> On 05. aug. 2013 17:47, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> getting back into Renoise a bit lately. So here's two rough cuts. One is
>> more experimental than the other :D
>>
>> https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/check-refrac
>>
>> https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/whence
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Flo
>
> The check track wasn't my cup of tea, too much of what I connect to 
> "techno" - lots of sounds, but not much really happening.
>
> Strange then, that the same could be said about whence, as I like that 
> one a lot more. It has a vibe of 70's minimalistic krautrock and a 
> more organic feel I think. Almost like it could be played on acoustic 
> instruments.
>
> Thx for sharing!
>

Hi Alf,

thanks for your comments. These two tracks definitely lack in 
arrangement. I find in electronic music (even more so than in, let's 
say, the traditional pop song format) there's two "poles":

- Repetitiveness: This is where electronic music becomes meditation. 
This is especially true for music made for particular settings

- Surprise: And with this come all the traditional ingredients of what 
makes a good song aside from a catchy hook.

When playing with a tracker or sequencer it is easy to get "caught in 
the loop" and more often than not I find myself caught on the repetitive 
side. Definitely in these two tracks it's the same thing. Whence at 
least has _some_ harmonic movement going (the short interlude of A minor 
between the longer D minor parts).

When playing jazz or samba/bossa nova with a band (I play guitar, too) 
it's much easier to get some movement going than in sequenced music. 
Maybe it's also just a workflow issue. I'm working on it :D

Have fun,
Flo

From wrl at illest.net  Tue Aug  6 14:42:56 2013
From: wrl at illest.net (William Light)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 16:42:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>

occhi,
any particular reason you want an interface with a separate power plug?
USB bus power will do most of what you want.

personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and the 2i4 may
suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.

any of the native instruments interfaces will also work on linux, and
i've had very good experiences with them.

-w

on Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 09:51:23AM -0700, profiles wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I am a musician and recently joined this mailing list. I use Fedora18
> and would like to use it to create music. I am having trouble getting
> off the ground as I have not identified a USB Audio Interface that is
> compatible with Fedora. I have visited the ALSA soundcard matrix wiki
> and a number of forums in hopes of finding a device. Unfortunately many
> of the models and makes talked about are a few years old now and,
> frequently, are no longer available from distributors. I imagine a few
> people on this list use some sort of soundcard to test/use all of the
> great software that is being created for linux users. 
> 
> I am inviting suggestions from people with experience in the application
> of audio hardware in the fedora environment. I am looking for a device
> that uses an independent power plug, connects with usb 2.0, and has both
> MIDI and analogue inputs and outputs. A device similar to this would be
> great:
> 
> http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-44VSL/media
> 
> Thanks and I look forward to offering feedback on software once I am up
> and running.
> 
> -Occhi
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From wind at mikrokiko.de  Tue Aug  6 18:36:42 2013
From: wind at mikrokiko.de (jwind)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:36:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
Message-ID: <5201423A.3010906@mikrokiko.de>

hi there, not sure if this is the point here:
can only say something about deb-kernel 3.8xx / 3.9
which worked very well with my devices
edirol UA-25
focusrite scarlett 18i8
--> a few dropouts when getting lower than 15ms latency

the focusrite sounds very good and i can recommend this.
just a thought, after having trouble lately when finding new compatible gear
...
j.




On 06.08.2013 16:42, William Light wrote:
> occhi,
> any particular reason you want an interface with a separate power plug?
> USB bus power will do most of what you want.
>
> personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and the 2i4 may
> suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
>
> any of the native instruments interfaces will also work on linux, and
> i've had very good experiences with them.
>
> -w
>
> on Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 09:51:23AM -0700, profiles wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am a musician and recently joined this mailing list. I use Fedora18
>> and would like to use it to create music. I am having trouble getting
>> off the ground as I have not identified a USB Audio Interface that is
>> compatible with Fedora. I have visited the ALSA soundcard matrix wiki
>> and a number of forums in hopes of finding a device. Unfortunately many
>> of the models and makes talked about are a few years old now and,
>> frequently, are no longer available from distributors. I imagine a few
>> people on this list use some sort of soundcard to test/use all of the
>> great software that is being created for linux users.
>>
>> I am inviting suggestions from people with experience in the application
>> of audio hardware in the fedora environment. I am looking for a device
>> that uses an independent power plug, connects with usb 2.0, and has both
>> MIDI and analogue inputs and outputs. A device similar to this would be
>> great:
>>
>> http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-44VSL/media
>>
>> Thanks and I look forward to offering feedback on software once I am up
>> and running.
>>
>> -Occhi
>>
>>
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From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Tue Aug  6 19:07:47 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:07:47 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Wires for Empathy Trailer Release (Tube Open Source Video
 Project)
In-Reply-To: <CANo8TMo95VfbJ=aC8SoVExJ+EfNZPwbELgUAMWH47A996bK94w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANo8TMo95VfbJ=aC8SoVExJ+EfNZPwbELgUAMWH47A996bK94w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130806200747.393fd063@debian>

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:20:27 -0400
Thomas Vecchione <seablaede at gmail.com> wrote:

> So the Tube project has been chugging along in the background and a new
> trailer has been released...
> 
> http://urchn.org/post/wires-for-empathy-trailer
> 
> All the sounds were recorded on a Tascam DR-40 with a small variety of mics
> (Built In Mics for a surprising amount, SM57s, and AKG c451/ck94 on a jury
> rig for a M/S combo).  Everything with one exception was done on Linux with
> Ardour3.3, or git versions near that, the exception being cleaning up the
> audio (Noise reduction primarily) which sad fact of life is that there
> isn't much on Linux to compare to even basic tools on Mac or Windows sadly,
> but will comment more on that some other time.
> 
> Many thanks to Robin Gaerus for putting up with me over the past couple
> weeks as I broke and he fixed his wonderful work on the Video Timeline of
> course:)
> 
>      Seablade

Seriously impressive!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Tue Aug  6 19:15:59 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:15:59 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Joy for Joy - a musical joke
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130806201559.328a04be@debian>

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:28:30 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello again!
>    So here's the second of my latest pieces. I didn't know a few days ago, taht 
> I would be recording it. but it sort of forms a union with Be Frank. Different 
> style and this is even less serious. In case you don't like early Enigma a 
> lot, give it some time and feel it change. :-)
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.ogg
>    and for the OGG-ily challenged:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.mp3
>    The instruments are more or less the same: JV-1080, MiniBrute, Microwave XT, 
> DX7, this time with the addition of setBfree though. and what an addition that 
> was. setBfree is really growing on me, the more I play it, the more I love it!
>    And Nama has seen more improvements for live interaction, especially when 
> mixing!
>    Feedback is welcome. :-)
>    Kind regards
>          Julien

Talk about one extreme to the other! I guess the title should have warned me.
Top stuff Julien.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jamesmstone at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 19:22:38 2013
From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:22:38 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Joy for Joy - a musical joke
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308052323581.30698@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CABRv+90W8v9dvqcY0fhtvO=hh9rNxVFi3JOAachQAtdGRFw3UQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Aug 5, 2013 10:30 PM, "Julien Claassen" <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
>
> Hello again!
>   So here's the second of my latest pieces. I didn't know a few days ago,
taht I would be recording it. but it sort of forms a union with Be Frank.
Different style and this is even less serious. In case you don't like early
Enigma a lot, give it some time and feel it change. :-)
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.ogg
>   and for the OGG-ily challenged:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/joy_for_joy.mp3
>   The instruments are more or less the same: JV-1080, MiniBrute,
Microwave XT, DX7, this time with the addition of setBfree though. and what
an addition that was. setBfree is really growing on me, the more I play it,
the more I love it!
>   And Nama has seen more improvements for live interaction, especially
when mixing!
>   Feedback is welcome. :-)
>   Kind regards
>         Julien
>

Great stuff! Preferred this one to the last by a long way.. but that drum
beat! All I can hear is Erik B and Rakim Paid in Full!

J
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From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  7 03:40:39 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:40:39 -0700
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
Message-ID: <5629970B-9D18-43E4-ACA3-E5BEE3F6B858@yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I'm an alsa novice with a barely surface knowledge of alsa, and I could use some help troubleshooting a problem. I am connecting a Mac Mini (ppc) running the following to a Rega DAC.

miniG4:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 
6.0.7
miniG4:~$ uname -a
Linux miniG4 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 Fri May 10 08:12:18 UTC 2013 ppc GNU/Linux
miniG4:~$ 

Package: alsa-base                       
Version: 1.0.23+dfsg-2

Package: alsa-utils                      
Version: 1.0.23-3

Package: alsaplayer-common               
Version: 0.99.80-5+b1

~/.asoundrc 
pcm.!default {
	type hw
	card 1
}

ctl.!default {
	type hw           
	card 1
}

/var/lib/alsa/asound.state
state.SoundByLayout {
?
}
state.default {
	control.1 {
		comment.access 'read write'
		comment.type BOOLEAN
		comment.count 1
		iface MIXER
		name 'PCM Playback Switch'
		value true
	}
	control.2 {
		comment.access 'read write'
		comment.type INTEGER
		comment.count 2
		comment.range '0 - 128'
		comment.dbmin 0
		comment.dbmax 0
		iface MIXER
		name 'PCM Playback Volume'
		value.0 0
		value.1 0
	}
}

I can play audio files through the AppleOnbdAudio - SoundByLayout analog port on the Mini, but when I try to play through USB port, I get the following error. I've peeked into other files, like /proc/asound/*, but I don't really know what to look for. Any pointers would be appreciated short of trying a different Linux distro. The man that sold me the DAC duplicated my system on a G4 MacBook(?) connected to an identical Rega DAC and got it working with relatively little effort.

I would be happy to provide additional information at your request. Thanks for your patience.

miniG4:~$ alsaplayer flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac 
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: [32000 48000]
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: [32000 48000]
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
failed to configure output device...trying OSS
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: [32000 48000]
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: [32000 48000]
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
failed to configure output device...trying OSS
miniG4:~$

From len at ovenwerks.net  Wed Aug  7 03:47:31 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:47:31 -0700
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <5629970B-9D18-43E4-ACA3-E5BEE3F6B858@yahoo.com>
References: <5629970B-9D18-43E4-ACA3-E5BEE3F6B858@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a38062bad0472967ee159a08208d77b4.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Tue, August 6, 2013 8:40 pm, Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm an alsa novice with a barely surface knowledge of alsa, and I could
> use some help troubleshooting a problem. I am connecting a Mac Mini (ppc)
> running the following to a Rega DAC.
>
> miniG4:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
> 6.0.7
> miniG4:~$ uname -a
> Linux miniG4 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 Fri May 10 08:12:18 UTC 2013 ppc
> GNU/Linux
> miniG4:~$

aplay -l gives what? (might as well try arecord -l too)
aplay -l
should list what alsa thinks it has for devices.

-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From clemens at ladisch.de  Wed Aug  7 06:33:47 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:33:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <5629970B-9D18-43E4-ACA3-E5BEE3F6B858@yahoo.com>
References: <5629970B-9D18-43E4-ACA3-E5BEE3F6B858@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5201EA4B.1010705@ladisch.de>

Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> ~/.asoundrc
> pcm.!default {
> 	type hw
> 	card 1
> }
>
> ctl.!default {
> 	type hw
> 	card 1
> }

Replace that with:

  defaults.pcm.card 1
  defaults.ctl.card 1


Regards,
Clemens

From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  7 09:47:34 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 02:47:34 -0700
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <5629970B-9D18-43E4-ACA3-E5BEE3F6B858@yahoo.com>
References: <5629970B-9D18-43E4-ACA3-E5BEE3F6B858@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2602F350-2805-4EE9-8000-FE9FD64FFA89@yahoo.com>

Perhaps I should mention that the MiniG4 is running headless.
On Aug 6, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Roger Weinheimer wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I'm an alsa novice with a barely surface knowledge of alsa, and I could use some help troubleshooting a problem. I am connecting a Mac Mini (ppc) running the following to a Rega DAC.
> 
> miniG4:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 
> 6.0.7
> miniG4:~$ uname -a
> Linux miniG4 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 Fri May 10 08:12:18 UTC 2013 ppc GNU/Linux
> miniG4:~$ 
> 
> Package: alsa-base                       
> Version: 1.0.23+dfsg-2
> 
> Package: alsa-utils                      
> Version: 1.0.23-3
> 
> Package: alsaplayer-common               
> Version: 0.99.80-5+b1
> 
> ~/.asoundrc 
> pcm.!default {
> 	type hw
> 	card 1
> }
> 
> ctl.!default {
> 	type hw           
> 	card 1
> }
> 
> /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
> state.SoundByLayout {
> ?
> }
> state.default {
> 	control.1 {
> 		comment.access 'read write'
> 		comment.type BOOLEAN
> 		comment.count 1
> 		iface MIXER
> 		name 'PCM Playback Switch'
> 		value true
> 	}
> 	control.2 {
> 		comment.access 'read write'
> 		comment.type INTEGER
> 		comment.count 2
> 		comment.range '0 - 128'
> 		comment.dbmin 0
> 		comment.dbmax 0
> 		iface MIXER
> 		name 'PCM Playback Volume'
> 		value.0 0
> 		value.1 0
> 	}
> }
> 
> I can play audio files through the AppleOnbdAudio - SoundByLayout analog port on the Mini, but when I try to play through USB port, I get the following error. I've peeked into other files, like /proc/asound/*, but I don't really know what to look for. Any pointers would be appreciated short of trying a different Linux distro. The man that sold me the DAC duplicated my system on a G4 MacBook(?) connected to an identical Rega DAC and got it working with relatively little effort.
> 
> I would be happy to provide additional information at your request. Thanks for your patience.
> 
> miniG4:~$ alsaplayer flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac 
> error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
> Unavailable hw params:
> ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
> FORMAT:  S16_LE
> SUBFORMAT:  STD
> SAMPLE_BITS: 16
> FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
> CHANNELS: [1 2]
> RATE: [32000 48000]
> PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
> PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
> PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
> PERIODS: [2 1024]
> BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
> BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
> BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
> TICK_TIME: ALL
> error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
> Unavailable hw params:
> ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
> FORMAT:  S16_LE
> SUBFORMAT:  STD
> SAMPLE_BITS: 16
> FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
> CHANNELS: [1 2]
> RATE: [32000 48000]
> PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
> PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
> PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
> PERIODS: [2 1024]
> BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
> BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
> BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
> TICK_TIME: ALL
> failed to configure output device...trying OSS
> error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
> Unavailable hw params:
> ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
> FORMAT:  S16_LE
> SUBFORMAT:  STD
> SAMPLE_BITS: 16
> FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
> CHANNELS: [1 2]
> RATE: [32000 48000]
> PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
> PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
> PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
> PERIODS: [2 1024]
> BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
> BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
> BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
> TICK_TIME: ALL
> error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
> Unavailable hw params:
> ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
> FORMAT:  S16_LE
> SUBFORMAT:  STD
> SAMPLE_BITS: 16
> FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
> CHANNELS: [1 2]
> RATE: [32000 48000]
> PERIOD_TIME: [1000 8192000]
> PERIOD_SIZE: [32 262144]
> PERIOD_BYTES: [64 524288]
> PERIODS: [2 1024]
> BUFFER_TIME: (1333 16384000]
> BUFFER_SIZE: [64 524288]
> BUFFER_BYTES: [128 1048576]
> TICK_TIME: ALL
> failed to configure output device...trying OSS
> miniG4:~$<?xml version="1.0" e


From phaselocker at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 18:13:26 2013
From: phaselocker at gmail.com (Lewis Pike)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:13:26 -0400
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20130807181324.GA29465@ordinator>

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 09:51:23AM -0700, profiles wrote:
> I am inviting suggestions from people with experience in the application
> of audio hardware in the fedora environment. I am looking for a device
> that uses an independent power plug, connects with usb 2.0, and has both
> MIDI and analogue inputs and outputs. A device similar to this would be
> great:
> 
> http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-44VSL/media

I currently have an M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB Audio & MIDI interface
which I am using with Linux.  Specifically, It's been used in both
Ubuntu and Arch Linux environments.

I find that audio playback works well for my needs, though I haven't
tried to output anything more 2 channels at a time.

I've had problems with audio capture where certain recordings would be
heavily distorted and I would have to power cycle the device in order
to get audio capture working properly again.  I could seem to find any
reports of other encountering similar problems, but at the end of the
day, audio recording has been a bit of a bust with this device.

I have only used the MIDI ports a handful of times but I don't recall
encountering any major problems.

So, in my case, I've had mixed results with this device, though I'm
not sure if it is a driver issue or something related to my particular
hardware.

I hope this helps.

.lewis

From jamesmstone at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 18:38:41 2013
From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:38:41 +0100
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
Message-ID: <CABRv+91PMxu+TKJHBLVZwgA3R3asoggXbBE1ZEOG=zmm--AAMQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM, William Light <wrl at illest.net> wrote:
> occhi,
> any particular reason you want an interface with a separate power plug?
> USB bus power will do most of what you want.
>
> personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and the 2i4 may
> suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
>

I have a 2i4 - it only has 2 inputs though (as the name suggests). It
is an excellent device overall, but I have been having some serious
teething troubles with kernel releases over 3.5. I am providing bug
reports to the kernel devs and these problems (not being able to start
at low latencies, audio system locking up) seem to be slowly being
addressed, but performance is not quite there yet for me, and I would
suggest if you decided to get one of these devices, and are affected
by these bugs, you might experience less pain using the earlier 3.5
series kernels for now. I think that this problem is not just limited
to the scarlett devices, and that other USB audio devices may be
similarly affected. Also, I think these issues may also be
USB-hardware (or BIOS?) dependent, so some people with the same kernel
and audio device may not experience the same bugs.

James

From danni.coy at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 22:51:19 2013
From: danni.coy at gmail.com (Danni Coy)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:51:19 +1000
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <CABRv+91PMxu+TKJHBLVZwgA3R3asoggXbBE1ZEOG=zmm--AAMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
 <CABRv+91PMxu+TKJHBLVZwgA3R3asoggXbBE1ZEOG=zmm--AAMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGR1oLAH1x9Tdpz-Lb_gGkdJguoV_WS4vhmcUMmwqyHQHodeoA@mail.gmail.com>

the Komplete Audio 6 is plug and play on Linux. It 4 inputs though only two
have preamps and is bus powered. The bundled native instruments software
will run under wine as a windows VST which is a bonus.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:38 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM, William Light <wrl at illest.net> wrote:
> > occhi,
> > any particular reason you want an interface with a separate power plug?
> > USB bus power will do most of what you want.
> >
> > personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and the 2i4 may
> > suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
> >
>
> I have a 2i4 - it only has 2 inputs though (as the name suggests). It
> is an excellent device overall, but I have been having some serious
> teething troubles with kernel releases over 3.5. I am providing bug
> reports to the kernel devs and these problems (not being able to start
> at low latencies, audio system locking up) seem to be slowly being
> addressed, but performance is not quite there yet for me, and I would
> suggest if you decided to get one of these devices, and are affected
> by these bugs, you might experience less pain using the earlier 3.5
> series kernels for now. I think that this problem is not just limited
> to the scarlett devices, and that other USB audio devices may be
> similarly affected. Also, I think these issues may also be
> USB-hardware (or BIOS?) dependent, so some people with the same kernel
> and audio device may not experience the same bugs.
>
> James
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From abhayadevs at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 06:10:58 2013
From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:40:58 +0530
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
Message-ID: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have been using the US mainly for audio works and now planning to
leverage it for mixing BGMs for movies and quite not sure the techniques
involved in finalizing the audio and video (HD/SD) in to a DVD or similar
output formats for release.

Anybody out there would like to share some experience and tools available
for this?

Regards,
Abhayadev S
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 10:12:21 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:12:21 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Dan's first Dark City Radio show
Message-ID: <CANOoOjtKaLD1MkRFsy-GuW23kEvxTr=-5BsjzHvYiSS52=Enaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

I am presenting my first show on Dark City Radio tonight, Thursday 8th
August at 10pm GMT. Although Dark City has been using Mumble for a while
now, my show will be the first Mumble-only show, die-hard FLOSS advocate
that I am! [image: :)]

The show is called MUMBLE RUMBLE and in the first show I will mainly be
discussing Mumble and related tech. You're all invited to listen or even
better log in to the DC Mumble server and take part in the show!

More details here:

http://www.darkcityradio.com/?pid=4

and here:

http://www.darkcityradio.com/?pid=1

Thanks for listening!
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From brummer- at web.de  Thu Aug  8 10:15:28 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 12:15:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] gxtuner 2.1
Message-ID: <52036FC0.9030802@web.de>

Hi

A maintain release of gxtuner is available,
thanks goes to the debian project (Jarom?r Mike?) for forwarding the 
patches.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/guitarix/files/gxtuner/




From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  8 11:10:13 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 04:10:13 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1375956933.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.3.1375956933.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <239228CE-7704-4818-A16C-457D4CFEEAD1@yahoo.com>

**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: SoundByLayout [SoundByLayout], device 0: Master []
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: default [USB Audio DAC   ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
**** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
card 0: SoundByLayout [SoundByLayout], device 0: Master []
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


On Aug 8, 2013, at 3:15 AM, linux-audio-user-request at lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:

> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:47:31 -0700
> From: "Len Ovens" <len at ovenwerks.net>
> To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> Subject: Re: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
> Message-ID:
> 	<a38062bad0472967ee159a08208d77b4.squirrel at ssl.ovenwerks.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> 
> On Tue, August 6, 2013 8:40 pm, Roger Weinheimer wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I'm an alsa novice with a barely surface knowledge of alsa, and I could
>> use some help troubleshooting a problem. I am connecting a Mac Mini (ppc)
>> running the following to a Rega DAC.
>> 
>> miniG4:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
>> 6.0.7
>> miniG4:~$ uname -a
>> Linux miniG4 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 Fri May 10 08:12:18 UTC 2013 ppc
>> GNU/Linux
>> miniG4:~$
> 
> aplay -l gives what? (might as well try arecord -l too)
> aplay -l
> should list what alsa thinks it has for devices.
> 
> -- 
> Len Ovens
> www.OvenWerks.net


From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  8 11:19:08 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 04:19:08 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1375956933.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.3.1375956933.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <AFB68403-E1A4-4E47-AC37-9EA4B8C79080@yahoo.com>

Thanks, Clemens, but no joy.

miniG4:~$ cat .asoundrc 
#pcm.!default {
#	type hw
#	card 1
#}
#
#ctl.!default {
#	type hw           
#	card 1
#}
defaults.pcm.card 1
defaults.ctl.card 1
miniG4:~$ alsaplayer flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac 
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
failed to configure output device...trying OSS
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
failed to configure output device...trying OSS
miniG4:~$ 

On Aug 8, 2013, at 3:15 AM, linux-audio-user-request at lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:

> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:33:47 +0200
> From: Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>
> To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> Subject: Re: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
> Message-ID: <5201EA4B.1010705 at ladisch.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Roger Weinheimer wrote:
>> ~/.asoundrc
>> pcm.!default {
>> 	type hw
>> 	card 1
>> }
>> 
>> ctl.!default {
>> 	type hw
>> 	card 1
>> }
> 
> Replace that with:
> 
>  defaults.pcm.card 1
>  defaults.ctl.card 1
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clemens

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From len at ovenwerks.net  Thu Aug  8 14:53:47 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 07:53:47 -0700
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
Message-ID: <67565de2ad0767fd17433a00885aef05.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Thu, August 8, 2013 4:10 am, Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
> card 0: SoundByLayout [SoundByLayout], device 0: Master []
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 1: default [USB Audio DAC   ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
> card 0: SoundByLayout [SoundByLayout], device 0: Master []
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

Ok, going back to your original post :)
You do show both cards, good.

Your USB card is playback only, but that is what you are trying to do, so
that is ok.

The portion of /var/lib/alsa/asound.state that you show is for the
internal card. That may mean your USB card has no controls which is ok, it
just means volume can only be changed at the card or is always "100%". I
find alsamixer easiest to use to check that.

You used a commandline of:
alsaplayer /path/filename.flac

Generally for trouble shooting I would hit the card directly:
alsaplayer -i hw:1,0 filename.flac

aplay --device=hw:1,0 filename.flac

may still get errors


-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Thu Aug  8 14:58:49 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:58:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <67565de2ad0767fd17433a00885aef05.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
References: <67565de2ad0767fd17433a00885aef05.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKna20vy2MD=Ty=NBP=cdPn6oD9LPvDsCDT78Pg+8w7Piw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:

>
> Generally for trouble shooting I would hit the card directly:
> alsaplayer -i hw:1,0 filename.flac
>
> aplay --device=hw:1,0 filename.flac
>

aplay can't handle anything but straight PCM formats. in addition, using
hw:XXX means that the requested data format MUST match the hardware
capabilities. if you ask for a sample rate or channel count not supported
by the hardware, the device configuration will fail. this is why the
"default" device with ALSA is never hw:XXX but at minimum plughw:XXX (which
can do just about any format conversion necessary).
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Thu Aug  8 18:48:45 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:48:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Using a USB pedalboard to trigger keystrokes
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082045190.25821@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   Someone told me, that they were intending to get a pedalboard to trigger 
keystrokes to control some commandline applications. And I've been wondering.
   Does anyone have experience with that? A specific device and what about the 
configuration tools for such tasks? I've been searching the web a little, but 
unfortunately keyboard, pedalboard and the like are very ambiguous search 
terms, so the results were rather unhelpful.
   Any ideas would be welcome. Since I can't solder myself, I'd prefer prebuilt 
solutions. I'm pretty sure, that this would be possible with Arduino based 
solutions, but I'd rather not for a start. :-)
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From vicsto at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 18:59:36 2013
From: vicsto at gmail.com (Victor A. Stoichita)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:59:36 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <CAGR1oLAH1x9Tdpz-Lb_gGkdJguoV_WS4vhmcUMmwqyHQHodeoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
 <CABRv+91PMxu+TKJHBLVZwgA3R3asoggXbBE1ZEOG=zmm--AAMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGR1oLAH1x9Tdpz-Lb_gGkdJguoV_WS4vhmcUMmwqyHQHodeoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGr68Vus-GZhJscv8w0zX6NAi3caCf_jONxzDtZ0bNd=hStPVw@mail.gmail.com>

On 8 August 2013 00:51, Danni Coy <danni.coy at gmail.com> wrote:

> the Komplete Audio 6 is plug and play on Linux. It 4 inputs though only
> two have preamps and is bus powered. The bundled native instruments
> software will run under wine as a windows VST which is a bonus.
>


Interesting! I'm also loking  for a USB 2 interface and the KA6 seems to
fit my needs. It is advertised as being capable of very low latencies. Did
you have any experience of this on linux ?

Regards,
Victor


>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:38 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM, William Light <wrl at illest.net> wrote:
>> > occhi,
>> > any particular reason you want an interface with a separate power plug?
>> > USB bus power will do most of what you want.
>> >
>> > personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and the 2i4 may
>> > suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
>> >
>>
>> I have a 2i4 - it only has 2 inputs though (as the name suggests). It
>> is an excellent device overall, but I have been having some serious
>> teething troubles with kernel releases over 3.5. I am providing bug
>> reports to the kernel devs and these problems (not being able to start
>> at low latencies, audio system locking up) seem to be slowly being
>> addressed, but performance is not quite there yet for me, and I would
>> suggest if you decided to get one of these devices, and are affected
>> by these bugs, you might experience less pain using the earlier 3.5
>> series kernels for now. I think that this problem is not just limited
>> to the scarlett devices, and that other USB audio devices may be
>> similarly affected. Also, I think these issues may also be
>> USB-hardware (or BIOS?) dependent, so some people with the same kernel
>> and audio device may not experience the same bugs.
>>
>> James
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jpsandys at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 19:24:20 2013
From: jpsandys at gmail.com (Jeff Sandys)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:24:20 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Using a USB pedalboard to trigger keystrokes
Message-ID: <CAB5a9aeqhTH=rEEQbm2cGHgRvuEOS6P6dWOeNyJjL0DpaujE4A@mail.gmail.com>

   I would use one of the Python midi classes to read the midi input and fire
the commandline.  No soldering required, just a little Python script.
     http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInMusic

-- Jeff Sandys


Julian said:
Hello everyone!
   Someone told me, that they were intending to get a pedalboard to trigger
keystrokes to control some commandline applications. And I've been wondering.
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Thu Aug  8 19:27:39 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:27:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Using a USB pedalboard to trigger keystrokes
In-Reply-To: <CAB5a9aeqhTH=rEEQbm2cGHgRvuEOS6P6dWOeNyJjL0DpaujE4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB5a9aeqhTH=rEEQbm2cGHgRvuEOS6P6dWOeNyJjL0DpaujE4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082127000.25821@flower.world.net>

Hello Jeff!
   thanks for the good suggestion, but I was thinking of a non-midi pedalboard, 
as in USB/HID footswitch, a general input device.
   Kindly yours
         Julien

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From kvutter at frii.com  Thu Aug  8 23:25:58 2013
From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:25:58 -0600
Subject: [LAU] Unusual error message when recording
Message-ID: <8F07EC2E-3608-4B07-9DB4-E6CDC8B56B18@frii.com>

Hi all!  I haven't seen this error before, and don't know what it means:  

subgraph starting at a2j timed out (subgraph_wait_fd=19, status = 0, state = Finished, pollret = 0 revents = 0x0)

This occurred when recording the audio from a softsynth played by a MIDI sequence.  Applications were: MIDISH, setBfree, Nama, Jackd, and A2JMIDID.  It occurs consistently after aprox. 20-25 seconds.  

A similar error occurs when recording no audio from Jack with Nama:

subgraph starting at Nama timed out (subgraph_wait_fd=17, status = 0, state = Running, pollret = 0 revents = 0x0)

This is without MIDISH or setBfree.  At the same time, Nama responds:

**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.411 msecs


zombified - calling shutdown handler

At which point Nama has to be stopped with Ctrl-C.  This occurs with and without lightdm (desktop manager) running.  I'm currently running Jack 1.

Previously when running Jack 2, I would get XRuns at the same 20-25 second interval, but recording would continue.

I had thought that perhaps the error might be caused because my whole operating system is on a USB disc, in order to keep the rest of the system unchanged, but is this the type of error I would expect in a situation where audio file writing to a perhaps slow disc would give, or is this something else?  I probably need to reconsider running from a USB disc, but I wasn't quite ready to play with re-partitioning Windows discs, and playing with dual boot situations yet, although it is still perhaps a better idea.

Sorry to be so verbose, but wanted to be thorough.  Thanks for any help or suggestions.

Kevin


From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 01:54:29 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:54:29 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>

As some of you may recall, every time I've posted a demo video to LAD, I've
had to include a disclaimer excusing the poor quality due to a lack of
functional screencasting tools.

Well, it took a couple of weeks of hair pulling and many, many hours of
testing, but I finally arrived at a solution.

Anyone who wants to create a screencast and record audio via JACK *in
perfect sync* must do the following:

Get ffmpeg. Apply this patch to it:

https://github.com/original-male/FFmpeg/commit/d02509d04d396a98646ca81e9ba327a501486130.patch

Build it with vorbis and h264 support.

Then, start your favorite desktop environment. I use Xephyr for this.

Have jack running (at -r 48000)

Then run the following command:

ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r 30 -s 1920x1080 -i
:${DISPLAY}.+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i screencast
-acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0 -map 1:0 -preset
ultrafast -qp 0 "$FILE"

Where DISPLAY is the number of your X11 display and FILE is the filename
for the screencast. I use a .mkv extension for the matroska container.

Remember to connect the streams you want recorded to the 'screencast' JACK
inputs!

With this setup I'm able to record a full 30 FPS @ 1080P with audio in
perfect sync. Please share your results too. With some more evidence I
might have a good case to get ffmpeg to accept my patch.

Enjoy!
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From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  8 11:19:08 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 04:19:08 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1375956933.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.3.1375956933.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <AFB68403-E1A4-4E47-AC37-9EA4B8C79080@yahoo.com>

Thanks, Clemens, but no joy.

miniG4:~$ cat .asoundrc 
#pcm.!default {
#	type hw
#	card 1
#}
#
#ctl.!default {
#	type hw           
#	card 1
#}
defaults.pcm.card 1
defaults.ctl.card 1
miniG4:~$ alsaplayer flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac 
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
failed to configure output device...trying OSS
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
ACCESS:  RW_INTERLEAVED
FORMAT:  S16_LE
SUBFORMAT:  STD
SAMPLE_BITS: 16
FRAME_BITS: [16 32]
CHANNELS: [1 2]
RATE: 48000
PERIOD_TIME: [1000 5461334)
PERIOD_SIZE: [48 262144]
PERIOD_BYTES: [96 524288]
PERIODS: [2 1024]
BUFFER_TIME: [2000 10922667)
BUFFER_SIZE: [96 524288]
BUFFER_BYTES: [192 1048576]
TICK_TIME: ALL
failed to configure output device...trying OSS
miniG4:~$ 

On Aug 8, 2013, at 3:15 AM, linux-audio-user-request at lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:

> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:33:47 +0200
> From: Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>
> To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> Subject: Re: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
> Message-ID: <5201EA4B.1010705 at ladisch.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Roger Weinheimer wrote:
>> ~/.asoundrc
>> pcm.!default {
>> 	type hw
>> 	card 1
>> }
>> 
>> ctl.!default {
>> 	type hw
>> 	card 1
>> }
> 
> Replace that with:
> 
>  defaults.pcm.card 1
>  defaults.ctl.card 1
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clemens

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From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 02:58:53 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 19:58:53 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSYHEUDi=6S46fzh2401xVxjBJ8FK+EDYGvw=RpfTQCZ=Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:54 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> As some of you may recall, every time I've posted a demo video to LAD,
> I've had to include a disclaimer excusing the poor quality due to a lack of
> functional screencasting tools.
>
> Well, it took a couple of weeks of hair pulling and many, many hours of
> testing, but I finally arrived at a solution.
>
> Anyone who wants to create a screencast and record audio via JACK *in
> perfect sync* must do the following:
>
> Get ffmpeg. Apply this patch to it:
>
>
> https://github.com/original-male/FFmpeg/commit/d02509d04d396a98646ca81e9ba327a501486130.patch
>
> Build it with vorbis and h264 support.
>
> Then, start your favorite desktop environment. I use Xephyr for this.
>
> Have jack running (at -r 48000)
>
> Then run the following command:
>
> ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r 30 -s 1920x1080 -i
> :${DISPLAY}.+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i screencast
> -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0 -map 1:0 -preset
> ultrafast -qp 0 "$FILE"
>
> Where DISPLAY is the number of your X11 display and FILE is the filename
> for the screencast. I use a .mkv extension for the matroska container.
>
> Remember to connect the streams you want recorded to the 'screencast' JACK
> inputs!
>
> With this setup I'm able to record a full 30 FPS @ 1080P with audio in
> perfect sync. Please share your results too. With some more evidence I
> might have a good case to get ffmpeg to accept my patch.
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Forgot to mention, use at least these options when configuring ffmpeg:

./configure --enable-libx264  --enable-x11grab --enable-gpl
--enable-libvorbis
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From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Fri Aug  9 08:05:09 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:05:09 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
Message-ID: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>

Hi,

Some of you might be interested in a radio stream with Soviet Era Classical.

Excellent production quality from that bygone era. All audio digitised and
professionally restored using Linux Audio Tools of course.

You can access the stream and others from the community directly in your
browser via the Radio Station link at http://linux-audio.com. For those of
you have text based (no js) interfaces or prefer to use their own player
there's a direct link at this site:

http://lowcostrestaurantmusic.com


It's not a very powerful server but I am interested to see what kind of
load it can tolerate. If you notice any glitches or have any other
feedback about the selection please let me know.




--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd



From wind at mikrokiko.de  Fri Aug  9 09:09:02 2013
From: wind at mikrokiko.de (jwind)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:09:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <CAGr68Vus-GZhJscv8w0zX6NAi3caCf_jONxzDtZ0bNd=hStPVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
 <CABRv+91PMxu+TKJHBLVZwgA3R3asoggXbBE1ZEOG=zmm--AAMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGR1oLAH1x9Tdpz-Lb_gGkdJguoV_WS4vhmcUMmwqyHQHodeoA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGr68Vus-GZhJscv8w0zX6NAi3caCf_jONxzDtZ0bNd=hStPVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5204B1AE.4010000@mikrokiko.de>

just for completeness:
after checking out the scarlett 18i8 with another system (a 
dual-core-netbook)
i have some not so nice drop-outs in playback, which not seem to be related
to any latency settings. (-
tried to debug a bit, but could not find any errors in kernel- or device 
logs;
does anyone know a good practice how to filter this?
thanks james for that hint.
j ,.






On 08.08.2013 20:59, Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
> On 8 August 2013 00:51, Danni Coy <danni.coy at gmail.com 
> <mailto:danni.coy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     the Komplete Audio 6 is plug and play on Linux. It 4 inputs though
>     only two have preamps and is bus powered. The bundled native
>     instruments software will run under wine as a windows VST which is
>     a bonus.
>
>
>
> Interesting! I'm also loking  for a USB 2 interface and the KA6 seems 
> to fit my needs. It is advertised as being capable of very low 
> latencies. Did you have any experience of this on linux ?
>
> Regards,
> Victor
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:38 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jamesmstone at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM, William Light <wrl at illest.net
>         <mailto:wrl at illest.net>> wrote:
>         > occhi,
>         > any particular reason you want an interface with a separate
>         power plug?
>         > USB bus power will do most of what you want.
>         >
>         > personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and
>         the 2i4 may
>         > suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
>         >
>
>         I have a 2i4 - it only has 2 inputs though (as the name
>         suggests). It
>         is an excellent device overall, but I have been having some
>         serious
>         teething troubles with kernel releases over 3.5. I am
>         providing bug
>         reports to the kernel devs and these problems (not being able
>         to start
>         at low latencies, audio system locking up) seem to be slowly being
>         addressed, but performance is not quite there yet for me, and
>         I would
>         suggest if you decided to get one of these devices, and are
>         affected
>         by these bugs, you might experience less pain using the
>         earlier 3.5
>         series kernels for now. I think that this problem is not just
>         limited
>         to the scarlett devices, and that other USB audio devices may be
>         similarly affected. Also, I think these issues may also be
>         USB-hardware (or BIOS?) dependent, so some people with the
>         same kernel
>         and audio device may not experience the same bugs.
>
>         James
>         _______________________________________________
>         Linux-audio-user mailing list
>         Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>         <mailto:Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>         http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Linux-audio-user mailing list
>     Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>     <mailto:Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>     http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
>
>
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Aug  9 09:12:33 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:12:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308091111310.10265@flower.world.net>

Hello Patrick!
   I've been listening to the stream for a while. No problems there and the 
music is OK. Of course loads of things, that I don't know. :-) Nice idea, 
musically speaking, definitely not politcally...
   Warm regards and keep it going
         Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Aug  9 09:46:35 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 23:46:35 -1000
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <5204B1AE.4010000@mikrokiko.de>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
 <CABRv+91PMxu+TKJHBLVZwgA3R3asoggXbBE1ZEOG=zmm--AAMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGR1oLAH1x9Tdpz-Lb_gGkdJguoV_WS4vhmcUMmwqyHQHodeoA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGr68Vus-GZhJscv8w0zX6NAi3caCf_jONxzDtZ0bNd=hStPVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5204B1AE.4010000@mikrokiko.de>
Message-ID: <5204BA7B.3020501@hawaii.rr.com>

Hmm - blacklist the wifi drivers? I understand that even when you're not 
connected, they will still regularly scan for signals. I understand this 
can take time and is not RT-friendly at all.

I have a dual-core netbook (non-RT kernel, it's borrowed). During the 
day, it sits on my desk at work and plays music from a USB drive thru my 
UCA-202 USB soundcard. When I close up at the end of the day, JACK will 
show 9-11 xruns.

On 08/08/2013 11:09 PM, jwind wrote:
> just for completeness:
> after checking out the scarlett 18i8 with another system (a
> dual-core-netbook)
> i have some not so nice drop-outs in playback, which not seem to be related
> to any latency settings. (-
> tried to debug a bit, but could not find any errors in kernel- or device
> logs;
> does anyone know a good practice how to filter this?
> thanks james for that hint.
> j ,.
>
> On 08.08.2013 20:59, Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
>> On 8 August 2013 00:51, Danni Coy <danni.coy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:danni.coy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     the Komplete Audio 6 is plug and play on Linux. It 4 inputs though
>>     only two have preamps and is bus powered. The bundled native
>>     instruments software will run under wine as a windows VST which is
>>     a bonus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting! I'm also loking  for a USB 2 interface and the KA6 seems
>> to fit my needs. It is advertised as being capable of very low
>> latencies. Did you have any experience of this on linux ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Victor
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:38 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jamesmstone at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM, William Light <wrl at illest.net
>>         <mailto:wrl at illest.net>> wrote:
>>         > occhi,
>>         > any particular reason you want an interface with a separate
>>         power plug?
>>         > USB bus power will do most of what you want.
>>         >
>>         > personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and
>>         the 2i4 may
>>         > suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
>>         >
>>
>>         I have a 2i4 - it only has 2 inputs though (as the name
>>         suggests). It
>>         is an excellent device overall, but I have been having some
>>         serious
>>         teething troubles with kernel releases over 3.5. I am
>>         providing bug
>>         reports to the kernel devs and these problems (not being able
>>         to start
>>         at low latencies, audio system locking up) seem to be slowly being
>>         addressed, but performance is not quite there yet for me, and
>>         I would
>>         suggest if you decided to get one of these devices, and are
>>         affected
>>         by these bugs, you might experience less pain using the
>>         earlier 3.5
>>         series kernels for now. I think that this problem is not just
>>         limited
>>         to the scarlett devices, and that other USB audio devices may be
>>         similarly affected. Also, I think these issues may also be
>>         USB-hardware (or BIOS?) dependent, so some people with the
>>         same kernel
>>         and audio device may not experience the same bugs.
>>
>>         James


-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 12:12:21 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:12:21 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308091111310.10265@flower.world.net>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308091111310.10265@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CADqqn48v2DuP12A9GOYXmB6LgWbZ6q5Jnw4gRJkiCoTfFgeEAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! Why such project?


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello Patrick!
>   I've been listening to the stream for a while. No problems there and the
> music is OK. Of course loads of things, that I don't know. :-) Nice idea,
> musically speaking, definitely not politcally...
>   Warm regards and keep it going
>         Julien
>
> ------------------------------**----------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>



-- 
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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Fri Aug  9 13:30:48 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:30:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn48v2DuP12A9GOYXmB6LgWbZ6q5Jnw4gRJkiCoTfFgeEAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308091111310.10265@flower.world.net>
 <CADqqn48v2DuP12A9GOYXmB6LgWbZ6q5Jnw4gRJkiCoTfFgeEAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKkq_SDa9n51=jAKfXp9ngiHSqZhK1Fw4wYJujznwGoW0w@mail.gmail.com>

because my favorite BYOB bistro had too many customer complaints when they
used the full set of Dronings as our background music.

(Louigi - I love Dronings, you know that :)


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> Wow! Why such project?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>wrote:
>
>> Hello Patrick!
>>   I've been listening to the stream for a while. No problems there and
>> the music is OK. Of course loads of things, that I don't know. :-) Nice
>> idea, musically speaking, definitely not politcally...
>>   Warm regards and keep it going
>>         Julien
>>
>> ------------------------------**----------
>> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 13:37:32 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:37:32 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKkq_SDa9n51=jAKfXp9ngiHSqZhK1Fw4wYJujznwGoW0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308091111310.10265@flower.world.net>
 <CADqqn48v2DuP12A9GOYXmB6LgWbZ6q5Jnw4gRJkiCoTfFgeEAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cKkq_SDa9n51=jAKfXp9ngiHSqZhK1Fw4wYJujznwGoW0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADqqn491FmPGUX+8pTNFurC05NC+UMcA3khu1-qDb-eqzn7e4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Haha! =)

Btw, I have now began to use Ardour3 for dronings as well!


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote:

> because my favorite BYOB bistro had too many customer complaints when they
> used the full set of Dronings as our background music.
>
> (Louigi - I love Dronings, you know that :)
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Wow! Why such project?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Patrick!
>>>   I've been listening to the stream for a while. No problems there and
>>> the music is OK. Of course loads of things, that I don't know. :-) Nice
>>> idea, musically speaking, definitely not politcally...
>>>   Warm regards and keep it going
>>>         Julien
>>>
>>> ------------------------------**----------
>>> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Louigi Verona
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
>


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From v4o42wl02 at sneakemail.com  Fri Aug  9 15:35:26 2013
From: v4o42wl02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:35:26 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Using a USB pedalboard to trigger keystrokes
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082045190.25821@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082045190.25821@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130809153526.GA2472@SDF.ORG>

On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 08:48:45PM +0200, Julien Claassen julien-at-mail.upb.de wrote:
>   Someone told me, that they were intending to get a pedalboard to
> trigger keystrokes to control some commandline applications. And
> I've been wondering.
>   Does anyone have experience with that? A specific device and what
> about the configuration tools for such tasks? I've been searching
> the web a little, but unfortunately keyboard, pedalboard and the
> like are very ambiguous search terms, so the results were rather
> unhelpful.
>   Any ideas would be welcome. Since I can't solder myself, I'd
> prefer prebuilt solutions. I'm pretty sure, that this would be
> possible with Arduino based solutions, but I'd rather not for a
> start. :-)

This link was mentioned on this list once:

https://github.com/rgerganov/footswitch

It's not for a pedalboard, but rather for individual footswitches.  The
page has a link to where you can get the footswitches, and there are
both single and triple footswitches there.  Direct links to the ones
you might be most interested in are:

http://www.pcsensor.com/index.php?_a=product&product_id=5
http://www.pcsensor.com/index.php?_a=product&product_id=150
http://www.pcsensor.com/index.php?_a=product&product_id=149

These all plug into the USB port.  You might want to check out the
others, too, but some of them are mechanical switches only, and
wouldn't suit your purpose.  I have no experience with these or the
software, but I bookmarked them when they were mentioned here before,
just in case.

Chuck


From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Aug  9 15:43:33 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:43:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Using a USB pedalboard to trigger keystrokes
In-Reply-To: <20130809153526.GA2472@SDF.ORG>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082045190.25821@flower.world.net>
 <20130809153526.GA2472@SDF.ORG>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308091743060.10265@flower.world.net>

Hello Chuck!
   Thanks for these! They sound very interesting. I'll investigate those 
further, but they might just be right for the purpose.
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From wind at mikrokiko.de  Fri Aug  9 17:30:06 2013
From: wind at mikrokiko.de (jwind)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:30:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <5204BA7B.3020501@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20130806144256.GA23776@dudestache.don.gs>
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 <CAGR1oLAH1x9Tdpz-Lb_gGkdJguoV_WS4vhmcUMmwqyHQHodeoA@mail.gmail.com>
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--> bingo; running now for 1,5 hour with no underruns;
had this issue years ago, too... thought with stronger cpus this
supposed to be history; but it isn`t.
now i know. thanks a lot
cheers
j ,.

On 09.08.2013 11:46, david wrote:
> Hmm - blacklist the wifi drivers? I understand that even when you're 
> not connected, they will still regularly scan for signals. I 
> understand this can take time and is not RT-friendly at all.
>
> I have a dual-core netbook (non-RT kernel, it's borrowed). During the 
> day, it sits on my desk at work and plays music from a USB drive thru 
> my UCA-202 USB soundcard. When I close up at the end of the day, JACK 
> will show 9-11 xruns.
>
> On 08/08/2013 11:09 PM, jwind wrote:
>> just for completeness:
>> after checking out the scarlett 18i8 with another system (a
>> dual-core-netbook)
>> i have some not so nice drop-outs in playback, which not seem to be 
>> related
>> to any latency settings. (-
>> tried to debug a bit, but could not find any errors in kernel- or device
>> logs;
>> does anyone know a good practice how to filter this?
>> thanks james for that hint.
>> j ,.
>>
>> On 08.08.2013 20:59, Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
>>> On 8 August 2013 00:51, Danni Coy <danni.coy at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:danni.coy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     the Komplete Audio 6 is plug and play on Linux. It 4 inputs though
>>>     only two have preamps and is bus powered. The bundled native
>>>     instruments software will run under wine as a windows VST which is
>>>     a bonus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting! I'm also loking  for a USB 2 interface and the KA6 seems
>>> to fit my needs. It is advertised as being capable of very low
>>> latencies. Did you have any experience of this on linux ?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:38 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jamesmstone at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM, William Light <wrl at illest.net
>>> <mailto:wrl at illest.net>> wrote:
>>> > occhi,
>>> > any particular reason you want an interface with a separate
>>>         power plug?
>>> > USB bus power will do most of what you want.
>>> >
>>> > personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and
>>>         the 2i4 may
>>> > suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
>>> >
>>>
>>>         I have a 2i4 - it only has 2 inputs though (as the name
>>>         suggests). It
>>>         is an excellent device overall, but I have been having some
>>>         serious
>>>         teething troubles with kernel releases over 3.5. I am
>>>         providing bug
>>>         reports to the kernel devs and these problems (not being able
>>>         to start
>>>         at low latencies, audio system locking up) seem to be slowly 
>>> being
>>>         addressed, but performance is not quite there yet for me, and
>>>         I would
>>>         suggest if you decided to get one of these devices, and are
>>>         affected
>>>         by these bugs, you might experience less pain using the
>>>         earlier 3.5
>>>         series kernels for now. I think that this problem is not just
>>>         limited
>>>         to the scarlett devices, and that other USB audio devices 
>>> may be
>>>         similarly affected. Also, I think these issues may also be
>>>         USB-hardware (or BIOS?) dependent, so some people with the
>>>         same kernel
>>>         and audio device may not experience the same bugs.
>>>
>>>         James
>
>


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Aug  9 19:58:36 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:58:36 -1000
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <5205271E.3050207@mikrokiko.de>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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You're welcome!

On 08/09/2013 07:30 AM, jwind wrote:
> --> bingo; running now for 1,5 hour with no underruns;
> had this issue years ago, too... thought with stronger cpus this
> supposed to be history; but it isn`t.
> now i know. thanks a lot
> cheers
> j ,.
>
> On 09.08.2013 11:46, david wrote:
>> Hmm - blacklist the wifi drivers? I understand that even when you're
>> not connected, they will still regularly scan for signals. I
>> understand this can take time and is not RT-friendly at all.
>>
>> I have a dual-core netbook (non-RT kernel, it's borrowed). During the
>> day, it sits on my desk at work and plays music from a USB drive thru
>> my UCA-202 USB soundcard. When I close up at the end of the day, JACK
>> will show 9-11 xruns.
>>
>> On 08/08/2013 11:09 PM, jwind wrote:
>>> just for completeness:
>>> after checking out the scarlett 18i8 with another system (a
>>> dual-core-netbook)
>>> i have some not so nice drop-outs in playback, which not seem to be
>>> related
>>> to any latency settings. (-
>>> tried to debug a bit, but could not find any errors in kernel- or device
>>> logs;
>>> does anyone know a good practice how to filter this?
>>> thanks james for that hint.
>>> j ,.
>>>
>>> On 08.08.2013 20:59, Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
>>>> On 8 August 2013 00:51, Danni Coy <danni.coy at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:danni.coy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     the Komplete Audio 6 is plug and play on Linux. It 4 inputs though
>>>>     only two have preamps and is bus powered. The bundled native
>>>>     instruments software will run under wine as a windows VST which is
>>>>     a bonus.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting! I'm also loking  for a USB 2 interface and the KA6 seems
>>>> to fit my needs. It is advertised as being capable of very low
>>>> latencies. Did you have any experience of this on linux ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:38 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jamesmstone at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM, William Light <wrl at illest.net
>>>> <mailto:wrl at illest.net>> wrote:
>>>> > occhi,
>>>> > any particular reason you want an interface with a separate
>>>>         power plug?
>>>> > USB bus power will do most of what you want.
>>>> >
>>>> > personally, i currently have a focusrite scarlett 2i2, and
>>>>         the 2i4 may
>>>> > suit your needs. the 2i2 is good, sounds fine, good latency.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>         I have a 2i4 - it only has 2 inputs though (as the name
>>>>         suggests). It
>>>>         is an excellent device overall, but I have been having some
>>>>         serious
>>>>         teething troubles with kernel releases over 3.5. I am
>>>>         providing bug
>>>>         reports to the kernel devs and these problems (not being able
>>>>         to start
>>>>         at low latencies, audio system locking up) seem to be slowly
>>>> being
>>>>         addressed, but performance is not quite there yet for me, and
>>>>         I would
>>>>         suggest if you decided to get one of these devices, and are
>>>>         affected
>>>>         by these bugs, you might experience less pain using the
>>>>         earlier 3.5
>>>>         series kernels for now. I think that this problem is not just
>>>>         limited
>>>>         to the scarlett devices, and that other USB audio devices
>>>> may be
>>>>         similarly affected. Also, I think these issues may also be
>>>>         USB-hardware (or BIOS?) dependent, so some people with the
>>>>         same kernel
>>>>         and audio device may not experience the same bugs.
>>>>
>>>>         James


-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 20:03:29 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 21:03:29 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:54 AM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, it took a couple of weeks of hair pulling and many, many hours of
testing, but I finally arrived at a solution.
Brilliant stuff, most definatly will test after my mini-holiday till
Monday. Expect feedback of some sort :) -Harry
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From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 10 01:42:25 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:42:25 -0700
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1376050344.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.5.1376050344.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <BB0B76E2-E532-4F86-B2DB-85BD43334C63@yahoo.com>

I meant to share this last night but sidetracked. These are the specs from the DAC packaging, fwiw. Does this help to address format/capabilities questions?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxgtmfspneva9io/dacSpecs.pdf

On Aug 9, 2013, at 5:12 AM, linux-audio-user-request at lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:

> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:58:49 -0400
> From: Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>
> To: len at ovenwerks.net
> Cc: Linux Audio Users <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAFa_cKna20vy2MD=Ty=NBP=cdPn6oD9LPvDsCDT78Pg+8w7Piw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Generally for trouble shooting I would hit the card directly:
>> alsaplayer -i hw:1,0 filename.flac
>> 
>> aplay --device=hw:1,0 filename.flac
>> 
> 
> aplay can't handle anything but straight PCM formats. in addition, using
> hw:XXX means that the requested data format MUST match the hardware
> capabilities. if you ask for a sample rate or channel count not supported
> by the hardware, the device configuration will fail. this is why the
> "default" device with ALSA is never hw:XXX but at minimum plughw:XXX (which
> can do just about any format conversion necessary).

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From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Sat Aug 10 08:10:23 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:10:23 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKkq_SDa9n51=jAKfXp9ngiHSqZhK1Fw4wYJujznwGoW0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308091111310.10265@flower.world.net>
 <CADqqn48v2DuP12A9GOYXmB6LgWbZ6q5Jnw4gRJkiCoTfFgeEAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Russia seems to be trending these days. Not sure what that's about.

I find it interesting how much copyrighted and incredibly famous music is
"inspired" by works from the Soviet Classical Era.  It's a strange
Dichotomy, almost a double standard if you will...



On Fri, August 9, 2013 11:30 pm, Paul Davis wrote:
> because my favorite BYOB bistro had too many customer complaints when they
> used the full set of Dronings as our background music.
>
> (Louigi - I love Dronings, you know that :)
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Louigi Verona
> <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Wow! Why such project?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Julien Claassen
>> <julien at mail.upb.de>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Patrick!
>>>   I've been listening to the stream for a while. No problems there and
>>> the music is OK. Of course loads of things, that I don't know. :-) Nice
>>> idea, musically speaking, definitely not politcally...
>>>   Warm regards and keep it going
>>>         Julien
>>>
>>> ------------------------------**----------
>>> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Louigi Verona
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From clemens at ladisch.de  Sat Aug 10 08:28:43 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:28:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <BB0B76E2-E532-4F86-B2DB-85BD43334C63@yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1376050344.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
 <BB0B76E2-E532-4F86-B2DB-85BD43334C63@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5205F9BB.8090609@ladisch.de>

Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> These are the specs from the DAC packaging, fwiw. Does this help to address format/capabilities questions?

It does not really matter what particular format is attempted to be used
by the player, and what particular format is actually supported by the
device.  Just replace "hw" with "plughw", and the format will be
automatically converted, if necessary.


Regards,
Clemens

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 09:49:34 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:49:34 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <53497.5.12.9.74.1376122223.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
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Yeah, well, I don't like where Russia seems to be heading. More and more
religious crap is forced on society. While in UK and US they allow gay
marriages, in Russia we get anti- "gay propaganda" law, pseudo-scientific
notion that sexual orientation can be changed by persuasion... Eh.
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From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Sat Aug 10 10:23:12 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 20:23:12 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn49NqMvm1Yush5CmUneFgE_PPYd7q6zbVkf-8QW-M3cHeA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, August 10, 2013 7:49 pm, Louigi Verona wrote:
> Yeah, well, I don't like where Russia seems to be heading. More and more
> religious crap is forced on society. While in UK and US they allow gay
> marriages, in Russia we get anti- "gay propaganda" law, pseudo-scientific
> notion that sexual orientation can be changed by persuasion... Eh.
>

Even In Australia they refuse to let the LGBT community get married
although New Zealand and South Africa have no problem with it. You might
be surprised how many Brits, Europeans and Staters support the Russian
Government on that POV too.

Also the same ones who want Russia and Iran to kowtow on Syria and allow
the "Good" western backed Al Ka-ida Terrorist/Rebel/Freedom fighters (what
is these days???) to Balkanise the country so they can more easily
manipulate and consolidate their control over the regional energy supply.

Hypocrisy abounds. But lets not get political. The Linux Audio Users
mailing list has nothing to do with politics, conspiracies, spying, online
privacy or any of those other annoying subjects ;-P



--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 10 13:19:43 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:19:43 -0700
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <5205F9BB.8090609@ladisch.de>
References: <mailman.5.1376050344.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
 <BB0B76E2-E532-4F86-B2DB-85BD43334C63@yahoo.com>
 <5205F9BB.8090609@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <C737CE19-274A-4F8D-BD32-4C206B6B7530@yahoo.com>

So I tried 

miniG4:~$ aplay --device=plughw:1,0 flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac 
Playing raw data 'flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
^CAborted by signal Interrupt...
miniG4:~$

and got static. Which is a huge improvement! At least I'm getting sound, now.

Clemens, I appreciate all your interest and support.

As I stated originally, the man at the local stereo shop duplicated my environment, albeit on slightly different hardware (macbook G4 vs mini G4). His is working. What differences should I be looking at?

On Aug 10, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:

> Roger Weinheimer wrote:
>> These are the specs from the DAC packaging, fwiw. Does this help to address format/capabilities questions?
> 
> It does not really matter what particular format is attempted to be used
> by the player, and what particular format is actually supported by the
> device.  Just replace "hw" with "plughw", and the format will be
> automatically converted, if necessary.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clemens


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Sat Aug 10 13:22:40 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:22:40 -0400
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <C737CE19-274A-4F8D-BD32-4C206B6B7530@yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1376050344.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
 <BB0B76E2-E532-4F86-B2DB-85BD43334C63@yahoo.com>
 <5205F9BB.8090609@ladisch.de>
 <C737CE19-274A-4F8D-BD32-4C206B6B7530@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKm=Bz6a+ccpes-j5yVW6TE2JH8o7kRn8jwSOaaA+hFcZA@mail.gmail.com>

you get static because aplay doesn't handle anything except regular PCM
data. compressed file formats like FLAC are recognized as "raw data" and it
just guesses a sample rate and data format, which naturally are all wrong.
find a PCM file (something.wav) and try that.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Roger Weinheimer <rweinheimer at yahoo.com>wrote:

> So I tried
>
> miniG4:~$ aplay --device=plughw:1,0
> flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac
> Playing raw data
> 'flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac' :
> Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
> ^CAborted by signal Interrupt...
> miniG4:~$
>
> and got static. Which is a huge improvement! At least I'm getting sound,
> now.
>
> Clemens, I appreciate all your interest and support.
>
> As I stated originally, the man at the local stereo shop duplicated my
> environment, albeit on slightly different hardware (macbook G4 vs mini G4).
> His is working. What differences should I be looking at?
>
> On Aug 10, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>
> > Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> >> These are the specs from the DAC packaging, fwiw. Does this help to
> address format/capabilities questions?
> >
> > It does not really matter what particular format is attempted to be used
> > by the player, and what particular format is actually supported by the
> > device.  Just replace "hw" with "plughw", and the format will be
> > automatically converted, if necessary.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clemens
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
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From ken at restivo.org  Sun Aug 11 04:46:04 2013
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:46:04 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OT: From the archives, on the Hammond
Message-ID: <20130811044604.GA32754@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>

No Linux content here, but plenty of Hammond.

Was digging through an S3 bucket, and found two old live recordings from Better Than Lahar from 2010.

A mellow, sexxxy groove for late-night listening:
http://storage.betterthanlahar.com.s3.amazonaws.com/live/justthetip.mp3

And a full-on, balls-out, in your face ROCK song, which was I think our best at the time:
http://storage.betterthanlahar.com.s3.amazonaws.com/live/scuffinupthewalls.mp3

I feel so lucky to have actually gotten to be in my favorite band. Those guys were awesome.

-ken

From julien at mail.upb.de  Sun Aug 11 06:31:36 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:31:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] OT: From the archives, on the Hammond
In-Reply-To: <20130811044604.GA32754@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
References: <20130811044604.GA32754@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308110827550.7358@flower.world.net>

Morning Ken!
   Hm, I like those. I suspected something different from "Just the Tip", 
judging by the advertisement. :-) Still, a nice slow piece. Was that a real 
Hammond or already Beatrix. I know, you said no Linux, but you might have 
referred to the recording there.
   Scuffin' up the Walls, is a different matter entirely. It has an infectious 
groove. I love those funk influenced tracks. Not sure, if this can be counted 
as pure funk. The Hammond here is a fantastic addition. Interesting choice to 
have it mainly as the chord instrument and the guitar almost entirely for the 
higher register, taking care of the melody and other screaming and whining 
duties. This song gets me!
   Thanks for sharing those, may the be Linux related or not, they are good 
music!
   Warm regards
         Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From ken at restivo.org  Sun Aug 11 07:13:52 2013
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:13:52 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OT: From the archives, on the Hammond
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308110827550.7358@flower.world.net>
References: <20130811044604.GA32754@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308110827550.7358@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130811071352.GC32754@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 08:31:36AM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Morning Ken!
>   Hm, I like those. I suspected something different from "Just the
> Tip", judging by the advertisement. :-) Still, a nice slow piece.
> Was that a real Hammond or already Beatrix. I know, you said no
> Linux, but you might have referred to the recording there.

That is the Boom Boom Room's beat-up 1950's-era Hammond all the way.

>   Scuffin' up the Walls, is a different matter entirely. It has an
> infectious groove. I love those funk influenced tracks. Not sure, if
> this can be counted as pure funk. The Hammond here is a fantastic
> addition. Interesting choice to have it mainly as the chord
> instrument and the guitar almost entirely for the higher register,
> taking care of the melody and other screaming and whining duties.
> This song gets me!
>   Thanks for sharing those, may the be Linux related or not, they
> are good music!

I'm glad you like! I'm sad that the band broke up before getting a really good clean recording (and performance!) of those songs.

I realized that was the show where I screwed up the vocals on the chorus. Thom had in a rehearsal a day or two before changed the lyric to "got my soul in stone", but I was still singing it as "got my soul in chains" which was the first draft. You can hear him singing "STONE" loudly over me, as if to remind me of the new lyric... guess I coudn't hear him, sorry Thom.

-ken

From ken at restivo.org  Sun Aug 11 08:57:10 2013
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 01:57:10 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
Message-ID: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>

It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been recently released, and find it unlistenable.

The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!

I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a splitting headache.

Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK setup, which would repair these broken tracks?

It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.

FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer, downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I can't listen to it because of the mastering. 

-ken

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Aug 11 11:39:32 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:39:32 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
Message-ID: <20130811113932.GA13496@linuxaudio.org>

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 01:57:10AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote:

> Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an
> ALSA or JACK setup, which would repair these broken tracks?

Given the ways such extreme compression etc. is done, the 
result is probably beyond repair. 

In the case of Amanda Palmer, you'll find both and fan
and pro contact info on her website. Just ask or complain !

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From diego.simak at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 13:18:33 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:18:33 -0300
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKC-MPowWD=s_odZCP9=HA9cFNsJhH-U_tDyW99eaB5+mWm86A@mail.gmail.com>

2013/8/8 J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com>
>
>
> As some of you may recall, every time I've posted a demo video to LAD, I've had to include a disclaimer excusing the poor quality due to a lack of functional screencasting tools.
>
> Well, it took a couple of weeks of hair pulling and many, many hours of testing, but I finally arrived at a solution.
>
> Anyone who wants to create a screencast and record audio via JACK *in perfect sync* must do the following:
>
> Get ffmpeg. Apply this patch to it:
>
> https://github.com/original-male/FFmpeg/commit/d02509d04d396a98646ca81e9ba327a501486130.patch
>
> Build it with vorbis and h264 support.
>
> Then, start your favorite desktop environment. I use Xephyr for this.
>
> Have jack running (at -r 48000)
>
> Then run the following command:
>
> ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r 30 -s 1920x1080 -i :${DISPLAY}.+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i screencast -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0 -map 1:0 -preset ultrafast -qp 0 "$FILE"
>
> Where DISPLAY is the number of your X11 display and FILE is the filename for the screencast. I use a .mkv extension for the matroska container.
>
> Remember to connect the streams you want recorded to the 'screencast' JACK inputs!
>
> With this setup I'm able to record a full 30 FPS @ 1080P with audio in perfect sync. Please share your results too. With some more evidence I might have a good case to get ffmpeg to accept my patch.
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-dev mailing list
> Linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
>

My result:

- I had to change screen size to 1366x768 according to my laptop display
- Audio and video are not in sync, I can see the following message
after executing the ffmpeg command:

[swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
a speedloss


This is the full log.
Thank you very much!

diego at ruidosa:~$ ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r
30 -s 1366x768 -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i
screencast -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0
-map 1:0 -preset ultrafast -qp 0 aaa.mkv
ffmpeg version N-55422-gb37ff48 Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the FFmpeg developers
  built on Aug 10 2013 10:54:00 with gcc 4.6 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5)
  configuration: --enable-libx264 --enable-x11grab --enable-gpl
--enable-libvorbis --disable-yasm
  libavutil      52. 41.100 / 52. 41.100
  libavcodec     55. 24.100 / 55. 24.100
  libavformat    55. 13.102 / 55. 13.102
  libavdevice    55.  3.100 / 55.  3.100
  libavfilter     3. 82.100 /  3. 82.100
  libswscale      2.  4.100 /  2.  4.100
  libswresample   0. 17.103 /  0. 17.103
  libpostproc    52.  3.100 / 52.  3.100
[x11grab @ 0x1ae3700] device: :0.0+0,0 -> display: :0.0 x: 0 y: 0
width: 1366 height: 768
[x11grab @ 0x1ae3700] shared memory extension found
Input #0, x11grab, from ':0.0+0,0':
  Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.464630, bitrate: 1007124 kb/s
    Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (BGR[0] / 0x524742), bgr0, 1366x768,
1007124 kb/s, 30 tbr, 1000k tbn, 30 tbc
jack_port_get_latency_range called with an incorrect port 0
[jack @ 0x1afbce0] JACK client registered and activated (rate=48000Hz,
buffer_size=1024 frames)
Guessed Channel Layout for  Input Stream #1.0 : stereo
Input #1, jack, from 'screencast':
  Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.619355, bitrate: 3072 kb/s
    Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_f32le, 48000 Hz, stereo, flt, 3072 kb/s
[swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] deprecated pixel format used, make sure you did
set range correctly
No pixel format specified, yuv444p for H.264 encoding chosen.
Use -pix_fmt yuv420p for compatibility with outdated media players.
-async is forwarded to lavfi similarly to -af
aresample=async=1:min_hard_comp=0.100000:first_pts=0.
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3
FastShuffle SSE4.1 Cache64
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] profile High 4:4:4 Predictive, level 3.2, 4:4:4 8-bit
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] 64 - core 120 r2151 a3f4407 - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
codec - Copyleft 2003-2011 - http://www.videolan.org/x264.html -
options: cabac=0 ref=1 deblock=0:0:0 analyse=0:0 me=dia subme=0 psy=0
mixed_ref=0 me_range=16 chroma_me=1 trellis=0 8x8dct=0 cqm=0
deadzone=21,11 fast_pskip=0 chroma_qp_offset=0 threads=3
sliced_threads=0 nr=0 decimate=1 interlaced=0 bluray_compat=0
constrained_intra=0 bframes=0 weightp=0 keyint=250 keyint_min=25
scenecut=0 intra_refresh=0 rc=cqp mbtree=0 qp=0
Output #0, matroska, to 'aaa.mkv':
  Metadata:
    encoder         : Lavf55.13.102
    Stream #0:0: Video: h264 (libx264) (H264 / 0x34363248), yuv444p,
1366x768, q=-1--1, 1k tbn, 30 tbc
    Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 48000 Hz,
stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
Stream mapping:
  Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo -> libx264)
  Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (pcm_f32le -> pcm_s16le)
Press [q] to stop, [?] for help
[swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
a speedloss
frame=  122 fps= 23 q=-1.0 Lsize=    2774kB time=00:00:04.06
bitrate=5588.3kbits/s
video:2040kB audio:732kB subtitle:0 global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.097703%
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] frame I:1     Avg QP: 0.00  size:596863
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] frame P:121   Avg QP: 0.00  size: 12324
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] mb I  I16..4: 100.0%  0.0%  0.0%
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] mb P  I16..4:  7.6%  0.0%  0.0%  P16..4:  0.3%
0.0%  0.0%  0.0%  0.0%    skip:92.1%
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] coded y,u,v intra: 11.9% 37.1% 37.5% inter: 0.2% 0.2% 0.2%
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] i16 v,h,dc,p: 91%  8%  0%  0%
[libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] kb/s:4107.72
Received signal 2: terminating.
diego at ruidosa:~$
diego at ruidosa:~$
diego at ruidosa:~$

From v_2e at ukr.net  Sun Aug 11 21:01:26 2013
From: v_2e at ukr.net (v_2e at ukr.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 00:01:26 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
Message-ID: <20130812000126.8d5095dd862cf60d2f5d5437@ukr.net>

  Hello!
  
  That's an interesting idea -- to run the radio station devoted to
Soviet classic music. There are/were many great soviet composers whose
works definitely deserve a wide distribution and recognition, which,
unfortunately, is not the interest of the xUSSR republics governments.

  In this regard it is interesting to recall the fragment from the
annotation on the 1994 audio CD cover:

"    I deeply enjoyed and admired the classical recordings of my youth
(from the late 1950's to early 1970's). As I pondered why I now find it
so hard to enjoy many contemporary releases, I realized that pure
economics have played perhaps too large a role in the art of recording
today. 

    Think about how much one talented musician earns during one
recording session. Now multiply that by 100 or more talented musicians.
Now add in the cost of renting a huge, beautiful sounding concert hall
where each seat normally commands $40 or more for each concert. Is it
any wonder that the very idea of "experimenting" with one's recording
craft in a particular hall with a full orchestra (maybe a chorus too)
must be held to a bare minimum? 

    During my recent visits to Moscow, Russia, I had many occasions to
attend concerts at the Great Conservatory Hall (admission price: around
40 cents). I was immediately struck by the acoustics. Here was a
treasure waiting to be shared. And the musicians! Russian musicians lay
with their soul. their salary is not why they play. They don't really
have a choice. They play for the passion of it all. 

    After several inquiries, I met maestro Gorenstein. I was
enthralled. What a fierce presence, intelligence and dedication. We
quickly began a cooperative effort to bring a unique opportunity to
life. Here was the chance to work with one hall and with a consistent
group of very talented artists, until we got it right. 

    This CD is not the first recording I've done at the Great Hall. But
it _is_ the first where I'm ready to share the results. It is my
pleasure to give you a true musical passion from the heart. It will not
be the last. 

          Gene Pope III, President, PopeMusic "

(The CD is titled "Unlikely Silhouettes")

  Now turning back to your streaming server.
1. I've been listening to it for a couple of days with no problmes.
2. When I tried to open the streaming server's web-page, I got the
following:

    Could not parse XSLT file

  This reminds me a problem I had once after an upgrade of the 
IceCast to a custom build. The problem was actually that the server was
looking for the files in the "/usr/share/icecast2/web/" catalog, while
the files were installed into the "/usr/share/icecast/web/" catalog. I
solved the problem temporarily by installing a symlink "icecast2 -->
icecast". Maybe, you have the similar problem?

3. Is your Soviet classic music collection going to grow in the near
future or not? 

  Thanks!

    Vladimir

----- 
 <v_2e at ukr.net>

From ralphbluecoat at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 00:09:52 2013
From: ralphbluecoat at gmail.com (Ralph Bluecoat)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 20:09:52 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
Message-ID: <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>

It's not possible to "undo" the mastering job once it has been bounced.
You'll sadly have to live with it.

Sorry for your ears,

-R

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:

> It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much
> to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been
> recently released, and find it unlistenable.
>
> The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!
>
> I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are
> putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a
> splitting headache.
>
> Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK
> setup, which would repair these broken tracks?
>
> It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone
> speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.
>
> FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer,
> downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I
> can't listen to it because of the mastering.
>
> -ken
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
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From diego.simak at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 00:47:19 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:47:19 -0300
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
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2013/8/11 Ralph Bluecoat <ralphbluecoat at gmail.com>:
> It's not possible to "undo" the mastering job once it has been bounced.
> You'll sadly have to live with it.
>
> Sorry for your ears,
>
> -R
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:
>>
>> It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much
>> to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been
>> recently released, and find it unlistenable.
>>
>> The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!
>>
>> I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are
>> putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a
>> splitting headache.
>>
>> Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK
>> setup, which would repair these broken tracks?
>>
>> It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone
>> speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.
>>
>> FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer,
>> downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I
>> can't listen to it because of the mastering.
>>
>> -ken
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


see this post from Claude Young:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/114569084697251798925/posts/czFWAWSvBXY

I haven't tried it...
no linux version though

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Mon Aug 12 01:37:06 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (gnome at hawaii.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 1:37:06 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
Message-ID: <20130812013706.0W3HI.92001.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

I'm a backer of the Theater Is Evil release. The compression doesn't bother me, but many times I wish they'd brought her voice up in the mix.

But, yeah, contact her and let her know. After released the Kickstarter deluxe version, she did go back and redo one of the tracks (don't remember which one right now), it came out much better than the original.

No Linux involved in her work - she's a Mac-based musician, based on the photos I've seen.

--
david
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community

---- Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote: 
> It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been recently released, and find it unlistenable.
> 
> The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!
> 
> I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a splitting headache.
> 
> Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK setup, which would repair these broken tracks?
> 
> It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.
> 
> FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer, downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I can't listen to it because of the mastering. 
> 
> -ken
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From mle+la at mega-nerd.com  Mon Aug 12 01:48:25 2013
From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:48:25 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130812114825.73ba18bda95788f73f64af26@mega-nerd.com>

Diego Simak wrote:

> see this post from Claude Young:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114569084697251798925/posts/czFWAWSvBXY

This seems to be able to reverse the effect of equalisation, known to
DSPers as linear time-invariant (or at least slowly varying) filtering.
It will *not* reverse the effect of compression which which is rapidly
time varying and is not filtering.

Erik
-- 
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Erik de Castro Lopo
http://www.mega-nerd.com/

From ken at restivo.org  Mon Aug 12 01:53:29 2013
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:53:29 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130812013706.0W3HI.92001.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <20130812013706.0W3HI.92001.root@hrndva-web18-z02>
Message-ID: <20130812015329.GB28177@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 01:37:06AM +0000, gnome at hawaii.rr.com wrote:
> I'm a backer of the Theater Is Evil release. The compression doesn't bother me, but many times I wish they'd brought her voice up in the mix.

Good point, since it's Kickstarter and "pay-what-you-like", I'd be happy to pay for a version of the record undamaged by clipping and extreme compression.

So maybe that kind of effort could be crowd-funded. After all, mastering does cost money-- $500/track for pro mastering IIRC, plus any remixing that might be necessary to fix problems masked by the extreme compression. And there are like 20 tracks on this thing, so I guess if there are enough people to raise $10k+ then maybe it's make sense for her to remaster it with less compression and release an undamaged version of it.

Plus, if such an effort succeeds, it might even send a notice to other artists that there is a market for people who enjoy music that doesn't consist solely of square waves.

-ken
--
---------
> But, yeah, contact her and let her know. After released the Kickstarter deluxe version, she did go back and redo one of the tracks (don't remember which one right now), it came out much better than the original.
> 
> No Linux involved in her work - she's a Mac-based musician, based on the photos I've seen.
> 
> --
> david
> gnome at hawaii.rr.com
> authenticity, honesty, community
> 
> ---- Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote: 
> > It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been recently released, and find it unlistenable.
> > 
> > The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!
> > 
> > I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a splitting headache.
> > 
> > Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK setup, which would repair these broken tracks?
> > 
> > It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.
> > 
> > FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer, downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I can't listen to it because of the mastering. 
> > 
> > -ken

From diego.simak at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 02:12:30 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 23:12:30 -0300
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130812114825.73ba18bda95788f73f64af26@mega-nerd.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130812114825.73ba18bda95788f73f64af26@mega-nerd.com>
Message-ID: <CAKC-MPoap=rcJMbJDf=BAGoGKgwhqSB-6OhQmYY0rAFwzzvfSg@mail.gmail.com>

2013/8/11 Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la at mega-nerd.com>:
> Diego Simak wrote:
>
>> see this post from Claude Young:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114569084697251798925/posts/czFWAWSvBXY
>
> This seems to be able to reverse the effect of equalisation, known to
> DSPers as linear time-invariant (or at least slowly varying) filtering.
> It will *not* reverse the effect of compression which which is rapidly
> time varying and is not filtering.
>
> Erik
> --
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> http://www.mega-nerd.com/
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thanks for your explanation

From malnourite at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 02:18:57 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:18:57 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
In-Reply-To: <CAKC-MPowWD=s_odZCP9=HA9cFNsJhH-U_tDyW99eaB5+mWm86A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Diego Simak <diego.simak at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2013/8/8 J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > As some of you may recall, every time I've posted a demo video to LAD,
> I've had to include a disclaimer excusing the poor quality due to a lack of
> functional screencasting tools.
> >
> > Well, it took a couple of weeks of hair pulling and many, many hours of
> testing, but I finally arrived at a solution.
> >
> > Anyone who wants to create a screencast and record audio via JACK *in
> perfect sync* must do the following:
> >
> > Get ffmpeg. Apply this patch to it:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/original-male/FFmpeg/commit/d02509d04d396a98646ca81e9ba327a501486130.patch
> >
> > Build it with vorbis and h264 support.
> >
> > Then, start your favorite desktop environment. I use Xephyr for this.
> >
> > Have jack running (at -r 48000)
> >
> > Then run the following command:
> >
> > ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r 30 -s 1920x1080 -i
> :${DISPLAY}.+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i screencast
> -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0 -map 1:0 -preset
> ultrafast -qp 0 "$FILE"
> >
> > Where DISPLAY is the number of your X11 display and FILE is the filename
> for the screencast. I use a .mkv extension for the matroska container.
> >
> > Remember to connect the streams you want recorded to the 'screencast'
> JACK inputs!
> >
> > With this setup I'm able to record a full 30 FPS @ 1080P with audio in
> perfect sync. Please share your results too. With some more evidence I
> might have a good case to get ffmpeg to accept my patch.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-dev mailing list
> > Linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
> >
>
> My result:
>
> - I had to change screen size to 1366x768 according to my laptop display
> - Audio and video are not in sync, I can see the following message
> after executing the ffmpeg command:
>
> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
> a speedloss
>
>
> This is the full log.
> Thank you very much!
>
> diego at ruidosa:~$ ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r
> 30 -s 1366x768 -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i
> screencast -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0
> -map 1:0 -preset ultrafast -qp 0 aaa.mkv
> ffmpeg version N-55422-gb37ff48 Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the FFmpeg
> developers
>   built on Aug 10 2013 10:54:00 with gcc 4.6 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5)
>   configuration: --enable-libx264 --enable-x11grab --enable-gpl
> --enable-libvorbis --disable-yasm
>   libavutil      52. 41.100 / 52. 41.100
>   libavcodec     55. 24.100 / 55. 24.100
>   libavformat    55. 13.102 / 55. 13.102
>   libavdevice    55.  3.100 / 55.  3.100
>   libavfilter     3. 82.100 /  3. 82.100
>   libswscale      2.  4.100 /  2.  4.100
>   libswresample   0. 17.103 /  0. 17.103
>   libpostproc    52.  3.100 / 52.  3.100
> [x11grab @ 0x1ae3700] device: :0.0+0,0 -> display: :0.0 x: 0 y: 0
> width: 1366 height: 768
> [x11grab @ 0x1ae3700] shared memory extension found
> Input #0, x11grab, from ':0.0+0,0':
>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.464630, bitrate: 1007124 kb/s
>     Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (BGR[0] / 0x524742), bgr0, 1366x768,
> 1007124 kb/s, 30 tbr, 1000k tbn, 30 tbc
> jack_port_get_latency_range called with an incorrect port 0
> [jack @ 0x1afbce0] JACK client registered and activated (rate=48000Hz,
> buffer_size=1024 frames)
> Guessed Channel Layout for  Input Stream #1.0 : stereo
> Input #1, jack, from 'screencast':
>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.619355, bitrate: 3072 kb/s
>     Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_f32le, 48000 Hz, stereo, flt, 3072 kb/s
> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] deprecated pixel format used, make sure you did
> set range correctly
> No pixel format specified, yuv444p for H.264 encoding chosen.
> Use -pix_fmt yuv420p for compatibility with outdated media players.
> -async is forwarded to lavfi similarly to -af
> aresample=async=1:min_hard_comp=0.100000:first_pts=0.
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3
> FastShuffle SSE4.1 Cache64
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] profile High 4:4:4 Predictive, level 3.2, 4:4:4 8-bit
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] 64 - core 120 r2151 a3f4407 - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
> codec - Copyleft 2003-2011 - http://www.videolan.org/x264.html -
> options: cabac=0 ref=1 deblock=0:0:0 analyse=0:0 me=dia subme=0 psy=0
> mixed_ref=0 me_range=16 chroma_me=1 trellis=0 8x8dct=0 cqm=0
> deadzone=21,11 fast_pskip=0 chroma_qp_offset=0 threads=3
> sliced_threads=0 nr=0 decimate=1 interlaced=0 bluray_compat=0
> constrained_intra=0 bframes=0 weightp=0 keyint=250 keyint_min=25
> scenecut=0 intra_refresh=0 rc=cqp mbtree=0 qp=0
> Output #0, matroska, to 'aaa.mkv':
>   Metadata:
>     encoder         : Lavf55.13.102
>     Stream #0:0: Video: h264 (libx264) (H264 / 0x34363248), yuv444p,
> 1366x768, q=-1--1, 1k tbn, 30 tbc
>     Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 48000 Hz,
> stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
> Stream mapping:
>   Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo -> libx264)
>   Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (pcm_f32le -> pcm_s16le)
> Press [q] to stop, [?] for help
> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
> a speedloss
> frame=  122 fps= 23 q=-1.0 Lsize=    2774kB time=00:00:04.06
> bitrate=5588.3kbits/s
> video:2040kB audio:732kB subtitle:0 global headers:0kB muxing overhead
> 0.097703%
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] frame I:1     Avg QP: 0.00  size:596863
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] frame P:121   Avg QP: 0.00  size: 12324
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] mb I  I16..4: 100.0%  0.0%  0.0%
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] mb P  I16..4:  7.6%  0.0%  0.0%  P16..4:  0.3%
> 0.0%  0.0%  0.0%  0.0%    skip:92.1%
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] coded y,u,v intra: 11.9% 37.1% 37.5% inter: 0.2%
> 0.2% 0.2%
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] i16 v,h,dc,p: 91%  8%  0%  0%
> [libx264 @ 0x2b6e520] kb/s:4107.72
> Received signal 2: terminating.
> diego at ruidosa:~$
> diego at ruidosa:~$
> diego at ruidosa:~$
>


Interesting. If you use Xephyr you can record a virtual desktop larger than
your actual display (and therefore 1920x1080), does that avoid the error
(and give you better results)?
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From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Mon Aug 12 03:11:36 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:11:36 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Soviet Classical Radio Stream
In-Reply-To: <20130812000126.8d5095dd862cf60d2f5d5437@ukr.net>
References: <51236.5.12.9.74.1376035509.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
 <20130812000126.8d5095dd862cf60d2f5d5437@ukr.net>
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On Mon, August 12, 2013 7:01 am, v_2e at ukr.net wrote:
>   Hello!
>
>   That's an interesting idea -- to run the radio station devoted to
> Soviet classic music. There are/were many great soviet composers whose
> works definitely deserve a wide distribution and recognition, which,
> unfortunately, is not the interest of the xUSSR republics governments.
>
>   In this regard it is interesting to recall the fragment from the
> annotation on the 1994 audio CD cover:
>
> "    I deeply enjoyed and admired the classical recordings of my youth
> (from the late 1950's to early 1970's). As I pondered why I now find it
> so hard to enjoy many contemporary releases, I realized that pure
> economics have played perhaps too large a role in the art of recording
> today.
>
>     Think about how much one talented musician earns during one
> recording session. Now multiply that by 100 or more talented musicians.
> Now add in the cost of renting a huge, beautiful sounding concert hall
> where each seat normally commands $40 or more for each concert. Is it
> any wonder that the very idea of "experimenting" with one's recording
> craft in a particular hall with a full orchestra (maybe a chorus too)
> must be held to a bare minimum?
>
>     During my recent visits to Moscow, Russia, I had many occasions to
> attend concerts at the Great Conservatory Hall (admission price: around
> 40 cents). I was immediately struck by the acoustics. Here was a
> treasure waiting to be shared. And the musicians! Russian musicians lay
> with their soul. their salary is not why they play. They don't really
> have a choice. They play for the passion of it all.
>
>     After several inquiries, I met maestro Gorenstein. I was
> enthralled. What a fierce presence, intelligence and dedication. We
> quickly began a cooperative effort to bring a unique opportunity to
> life. Here was the chance to work with one hall and with a consistent
> group of very talented artists, until we got it right.
>
>     This CD is not the first recording I've done at the Great Hall. But
> it _is_ the first where I'm ready to share the results. It is my
> pleasure to give you a true musical passion from the heart. It will not
> be the last.
>
>           Gene Pope III, President, PopeMusic "
>
> (The CD is titled "Unlikely Silhouettes")
>
>   Now turning back to your streaming server.
> 1. I've been listening to it for a couple of days with no problmes.
> 2. When I tried to open the streaming server's web-page, I got the
> following:
>
>     Could not parse XSLT file
>
>   This reminds me a problem I had once after an upgrade of the
> IceCast to a custom build. The problem was actually that the server was
> looking for the files in the "/usr/share/icecast2/web/" catalog, while
> the files were installed into the "/usr/share/icecast/web/" catalog. I
> solved the problem temporarily by installing a symlink "icecast2 -->
> icecast". Maybe, you have the similar problem?
>

Thanks for spotting that. Fixed now.

> 3. Is your Soviet classic music collection going to grow in the near
> future or not?
>

It is definitely a work in progress.  We just added some more Tschaikovsky
today and continue to fine tune the config and selection.


>   Thanks!
>
>     Vladimir
>


Thanks for your support.





--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From althompson58 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 06:21:54 2013
From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 02:21:54 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52087F02.8050702@gmail.com>

On 08/11/2013 08:47 PM, Diego Simak wrote:
>
> see this post from Claude Young:
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114569084697251798925/posts/czFWAWSvBXY
>
> I haven't tried it...
> no linux version though

Note that this is essentially just an EQ.  It is not going to have any
effect at all on compression/limiting.  It is also not going to
eliminate the phase shifts introduced by the original EQs, but is simply
going to add more.  And since there is no way to get an exact complement
to the original curve, you'll not only be adding more phase anomalies,
but also new ones in areas that had none.
 
It will also be impossible to eliminate the ringing introduced by the
original EQ in any areas that were originally boosted.

-- 
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  http://www.lateralforce.com
 
 
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   http://audioandmore.wordpress.com
 
 
Staat hei?t das k?lteste aller kalten Ungeheuer.  Kalt l?gt es auch;
und diese L?ge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.'
                                                - [Friedrich Nietzsche]


From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 06:51:31 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:51:31 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
Message-ID: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
called rogue.

https://github.com/timowest/rogue

It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some external
feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.

Br,
Timo Westk?mper
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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug 12 07:50:04 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:50:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12.08.2013 08:51, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth 
> called rogue.
>
> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>
> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some 
> external feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.

Hi,

trying to build it on Ubuntu 13.04. First the make process failed 
because I didn't have python-rdflib installed. Now it fails with:

fps at mango 09:48:42 ~/src/bld/rogue/ $ make
mkdir -p presets
./presetgen.py
ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen
make: ttl2c: Command not found
make: *** [src/rogue.gen] Error 127

What package containes ttl2c?

Flo

>
> Br,
> Timo Westk?mper
>
>
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From mle+la at mega-nerd.com  Mon Aug 12 08:28:44 2013
From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:28:44 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <52087F02.8050702@gmail.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
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Al Thompson wrote:

> On 08/11/2013 08:47 PM, Diego Simak wrote:
> >
> > see this post from Claude Young:
> >
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/114569084697251798925/posts/czFWAWSvBXY
> >
> > I haven't tried it...
> > no linux version though
> 
> Note that this is essentially just an EQ.  It is not going to have any
> effect at all on compression/limiting.

I agree so far.

>  It is also not going to
> eliminate the phase shifts introduced by the original EQs, but is simply
> going to add more.

Not totally true. A lot of research has been done on correcting for
magnitude and phase response. For example these two papers:

    http://guillaume.perrin74.free.fr/ChalmersMT2012/Papers/JAES_52(10)_2004_IF_SubjectiveInvestigation.pdf
    http://web.uvic.ca/~hgiesbre/499/13763.pdf

I haven't kept up with this are of research, but I would not be
surprised if more progress has been made since 2006.

Erik
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From peder at musikhuset.org  Mon Aug 12 08:38:33 2013
From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:38:33 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
In-Reply-To: <CAKC-MPowWD=s_odZCP9=HA9cFNsJhH-U_tDyW99eaB5+mWm86A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20130812103833.b8mkg9f8ys0w4k8g@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting Diego Simak <diego.simak at gmail.com>:

> - Audio and video are not in sync, I can see the following message
> after executing the ffmpeg command:
>
> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
> a speedloss
>
> diego at ruidosa:~$ ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r
> 30 -s 1366x768 -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i
> screencast -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0
> -map 1:0 -preset ultrafast -qp 0 aaa.mkv

>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.464630, bitrate: 1007124 kb/s
>     Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (BGR[0] / 0x524742), bgr0, 1366x768,
> 1007124 kb/s, 30 tbr, 1000k tbn, 30 tbc
> jack_port_get_latency_range called with an incorrect port 0
> [jack @ 0x1afbce0] JACK client registered and activated (rate=48000Hz,
> buffer_size=1024 frames)
> Guessed Channel Layout for  Input Stream #1.0 : stereo
> Input #1, jack, from 'screencast':
>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.619355, bitrate: 3072 kb/s
>     Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_f32le, 48000 Hz, stereo, flt, 3072 kb/s
> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
> a speedloss
> frame=  122 fps= 23 q=-1.0 Lsize=    2774kB time=00:00:04.06
> bitrate=5588.3kbits/s
> video:2040kB audio:732kB subtitle:0 global headers:0kB muxing   
> overhead 0.097703%

A couple of things :

* 1366 isn't a multiple of 8 which is probably why you get the "data  
is not aligned! This can lead to a speedloss" warning. Set it to 1360  
instead.

* You've set ffmpeg to record at 30 fps but it seems your computer can  
only manage to do 23 fps. That might be the cause of the A/V being out  
of sync.
Either decrease the capture area, change "-r:v 30" to something like  
"-r:v 20" or try doing an uncompressed recording (replace "-vcodec  
h264 -preset ultrafast -qp 0" with something like "-vcodec huffyuv").  
In the latter case you'll end up with a really big capture file which  
you might want/need to demux, compress and remux afterwards.

  - Peder

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 12 08:50:07 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:50:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130812182844.28b37c4585ff2376eaf64eb9@mega-nerd.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <52087F02.8050702@gmail.com>
 <20130812182844.28b37c4585ff2376eaf64eb9@mega-nerd.com>
Message-ID: <1376297407.7629.8.camel@archlinux>

On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 18:28 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> Al Thompson wrote:
> > Note that this is essentially just an EQ.  It is not going to have any
> > effect at all on compression/limiting.

EQ settings do effect compression.


From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Aug 12 08:53:11 2013
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:53:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de>

Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
> Hi.
> 
> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
> called rogue.

New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)

> 
> https://github.com/timowest/rogue

I fail to build it:

src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
Kompilierung beendet.
make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1

Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)


> 
> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some external
> feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.
> 
> Br,
> Timo Westk?mper
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 


From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Aug 12 08:55:36 2013
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:55:36 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <520893AC.10801@gmx.net>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <520893AC.10801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5208A308.5020104@linuxuse.de>

Am 12.08.2013 09:50, schrieb Florian Paul Schmidt:
> On 12.08.2013 08:51, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth 
>> called rogue.
>>
>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>>
>> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some 
>> external feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> trying to build it on Ubuntu 13.04. First the make process failed 
> because I didn't have python-rdflib installed. Now it fails with:
> 
> fps at mango 09:48:42 ~/src/bld/rogue/ $ make
> mkdir -p presets
> ./presetgen.py
> ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen
> make: ttl2c: Command not found
> make: *** [src/rogue.gen] Error 127
> 
> What package containes ttl2c?

LV2 devel packages solved it for me (installed LV2 core, lv2-c++-tools
and lv2-dev)

> 
> Flo
> 
>>
>> Br,
>> Timo Westk?mper
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 


From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Aug 12 09:01:05 2013
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:01:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <1376297407.7629.8.camel@archlinux>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <52087F02.8050702@gmail.com>
 <20130812182844.28b37c4585ff2376eaf64eb9@mega-nerd.com>
 <1376297407.7629.8.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <5208A451.3040004@linuxuse.de>

Am 12.08.2013 10:50, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 18:28 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
>> Al Thompson wrote:
>>> Note that this is essentially just an EQ.  It is not going to have any
>>> effect at all on compression/limiting.
> 
> EQ settings do effect compression.

Of course they do: *while* you compress. But contradicting EQ-settings
*after* the compression is done and rendered wont undo the rendered
compression.

> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
> 


From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Aug 12 09:06:57 2013
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:06:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5208A5B1.2080808@linuxuse.de>

Am 12.08.2013 02:47, schrieb Diego Simak:
> 2013/8/11 Ralph Bluecoat <ralphbluecoat at gmail.com>:
>> It's not possible to "undo" the mastering job once it has been bounced.
>> You'll sadly have to live with it.
>>
>> Sorry for your ears,
>>
>> -R
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much
>>> to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been
>>> recently released, and find it unlistenable.
>>>
>>> The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!
>>>
>>> I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are
>>> putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a
>>> splitting headache.
>>>
>>> Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK
>>> setup, which would repair these broken tracks?
>>>
>>> It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone
>>> speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.
>>>
>>> FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer,
>>> downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I
>>> can't listen to it because of the mastering.
>>>
>>> -ken
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
> 
> 
> see this post from Claude Young:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114569084697251798925/posts/czFWAWSvBXY

I think this smells a bit like snake-oil.

The EQ/Filtering/Compression/Anything in a rendered signal *is* the
signal now and there is no way telling, what aspect of the signal is
introduced by the filtering and what part is the pristine, "hifi
original". You can make estimations based on common "standards" and try
to reverse, what *you* dislike in the signal but you cannot effectively
restore the signal before mastering.

> 
> I haven't tried it...
> no linux version though
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 09:10:50 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:10:50 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <5208A308.5020104@linuxuse.de>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <520893AC.10801@gmx.net> <5208A308.5020104@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <CANOoOjuwO2Li-q-AkL-y0UTfVAObDzO=4kPc32oXN4CQ9TDaoQ@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds interesting - the original announcement passed me by somehow.

I can't compile it under 12.04 amd64 (g++ 4.6.3) as I just get:

cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option ?-std=c++11?

c++11? Must be the first c++11 app I've tried to compile. I expect I'd need
the latest and greatest g++, right?


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de>wrote:

> Am 12.08.2013 09:50, schrieb Florian Paul Schmidt:
> > On 12.08.2013 08:51, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
> >> called rogue.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
> >>
> >> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some
> >> external feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > trying to build it on Ubuntu 13.04. First the make process failed
> > because I didn't have python-rdflib installed. Now it fails with:
> >
> > fps at mango 09:48:42 ~/src/bld/rogue/ $ make
> > mkdir -p presets
> > ./presetgen.py
> > ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen
> > make: ttl2c: Command not found
> > make: *** [src/rogue.gen] Error 127
> >
> > What package containes ttl2c?
>
> LV2 devel packages solved it for me (installed LV2 core, lv2-c++-tools
> and lv2-dev)
>
> >
> > Flo
> >
> >>
> >> Br,
> >> Timo Westk?mper
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >
>
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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug 12 09:19:54 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:19:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>

On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>> called rogue.
> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>
>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
> I fail to build it:
>
> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
> Kompilierung beendet.
> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>
> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)

The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:

make gui
make

And it built..

flo

>
>> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some external
>> feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.
>>
>> Br,
>> Timo Westk?mper
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Aug 12 09:22:12 2013
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:22:12 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
Message-ID: <5208A944.7080809@linuxuse.de>

Am 11.08.2013 10:57, schrieb Ken Restivo:
> It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been recently released, and find it unlistenable.
> 
> The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!

I am with you and have shared your pain with some CDs I purchased in the
last 20 years. Most bestial example in my CD-Rack is a single from the
Foo Fighters that comes with a "B"-side that is actually mastered with a
lot of respect for dynamics and sounds actually very good while the
"A"-side is a lifeless synthetic simulation of rock-music that looks
like a line of toothpaste in an editor.

I use to react to such policies by not buying/listening to music that is
made that way. It is the artists choice to sound that way and I respect
that and in respect for my own holy and immaculate personal taste I do
not buy it.

Regarding tools for "unmastering":

I tried that several times to find methods to repair badly made
recordings etc but I found, that there is not much that can be done
about dynamics and near to nothing about distortion/clipping.

Tools for audio-restoration are not that elaborated in Linux anyway. In
some cases I had a little success by applying EQ to filter parts of the
signal, that made distortions prominent for the hearing and maybe this
could ease the pain for you too but I never managed its to restore
dynamics *and* keep the signal authentic and filtering to diminish
distortion has a very strong tendency to make the result sound numb.

best regards...


> 
> I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a splitting headache.
> 
> Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK setup, which would repair these broken tracks?
> 
> It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.
> 
> FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer, downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I can't listen to it because of the mastering. 
> 
> -ken
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 


From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug 12 09:24:09 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:24:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de> <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5208A9B9.10203@gmx.net>

On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>>> called rogue.
>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>
>>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>> I fail to build it:
>>
>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>> Kompilierung beendet.
>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>
>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>
> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
>
> make gui
> make
>
> And it built..

But segfaults:

fps at mango 11:23:21 ~/src/bld/rmake run
jalv.qt http://www.github.com/timowest/rogue
no more csLADSPA plugins
Plugin:       http://www.github.com/timowest/rogue
UI:           http://www.github.com/timowest/rogue/ui
JACK Name:    rogue
Block length: 2048 frames
MIDI buffers: 32768 bytes
Comm buffers: 131072 bytes
Update rate:  2 Hz
[plugin] Instantiating plugin...
   Bundle path: /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/
   features:
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/uri-map
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/urid#map
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/urid#unmap
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/state#makePath
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/worker#schedule
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/log#log
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/options#options
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/buf-size#powerOf2BlockLength
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/buf-size#fixedBlockLength
     http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/buf-size#boundedBlockLength
   Creating plugin object...
   Validating...
     [URID] Validation succeeded.
   Done!

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reverb_bandwidth   = 0,750000
reverb_tail        = 0,500000
reverb_damping     = 0,250000
reverb_blend       = 0,250000
[LV2::UI] Creating UI...

   Plugin URI:      "http://www.github.com/timowest/rogue"
   Bundle path:     "/usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/"
   UI Features:
     "http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/uri-map"
     "http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/urid#map"
     "http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/urid#unmap"
     "http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/instance-access"
     "http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/log#log"
     "http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#parent"
     "http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/options#options"
   Creating LV2 Widget...
make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Flo

From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug 12 09:26:03 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:26:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <5208A9B9.10203@gmx.net>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de> <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
 <5208A9B9.10203@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5208AA2B.6000100@gmx.net>

On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>>>> called rogue.
>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>
>>>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>>> I fail to build it:
>>>
>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>
>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>
>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
>>
>> make gui
>> make
>>
>> And it built..
>
> But segfaults:
[...]
  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Here's a bt:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int, unsigned int, 
unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int, unsigned 
int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
#1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned int, 
unsigned int, unsigned int) () from 
/usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
#2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned int, 
unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
#3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::rogueSynth, 
lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, 
lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from 
/usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
#4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
#5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
#6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at 
pthread_create.c:311
#11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
(gdb) quit
A debugging session is active.

         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.

Quit anyway? (y or n) y

>
> Flo
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From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Aug 12 09:26:34 2013
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:26:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de> <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5208AA4A.8090508@linuxuse.de>

Am 12.08.2013 11:19, schrieb Florian Paul Schmidt:
> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>>> called rogue.
>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>
>>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>> I fail to build it:
>>
>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>> Kompilierung beendet.
>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>
>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
> 
> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
> 
> make gui
> make
> 
> And it built..

Thanks a lot! build works OK now,

Though the plugin crashes Ardour3.3 on first contact....

> 
> flo
> 
>>
>>> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some external
>>> feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.
>>>
>>> Br,
>>> Timo Westk?mper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Aug 12 10:02:43 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:02:43 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <5208A5B1.2080808@linuxuse.de>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A5B1.2080808@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <20130812100243.GA25258@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:06:57AM +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote:
 
> I think this smells a bit like snake-oil.

More than a bit.


Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Aug 12 10:28:11 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:28:11 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130812182844.28b37c4585ff2376eaf64eb9@mega-nerd.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <52087F02.8050702@gmail.com>
 <20130812182844.28b37c4585ff2376eaf64eb9@mega-nerd.com>
Message-ID: <20130812102810.GB25258@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 06:28:44PM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:

>     http://guillaume.perrin74.free.fr/ChalmersMT2012/Papers/JAES_52(10)_2004_IF_SubjectiveInvestigation.pdf
>     http://web.uvic.ca/~hgiesbre/499/13763.pdf

The techniques described in boht papers are fairly standard,
and are used in e.g. DRC.

In both cases the response to be inverted is known (a measured 
room or loudspeaker response).

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 10:29:24 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:29:24 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <CANOoOjuwO2Li-q-AkL-y0UTfVAObDzO=4kPc32oXN4CQ9TDaoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <520893AC.10801@gmx.net> <5208A308.5020104@linuxuse.de>
 <CANOoOjuwO2Li-q-AkL-y0UTfVAObDzO=4kPc32oXN4CQ9TDaoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKBe7gD0Y98Y9m3vMQwYQzuN23+ma-pcU4sxQNY0sF4UW_eGAA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

> This sounds interesting - the original announcement passed me by somehow.
>
> I can't compile it under 12.04 amd64 (g++ 4.6.3) as I just get:
>
> cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option ?-std=c++11?
>
> c++11? Must be the first c++11 app I've tried to compile. I expect I'd
> need the latest and greatest g++, right?
>

I am using g++ 4.7.3.

Timo


>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de>wrote:
>
>> Am 12.08.2013 09:50, schrieb Florian Paul Schmidt:
>> > On 12.08.2013 08:51, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
>> >> Hi.
>> >>
>> >> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>> >> called rogue.
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>> >>
>> >> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some
>> >> external feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > trying to build it on Ubuntu 13.04. First the make process failed
>> > because I didn't have python-rdflib installed. Now it fails with:
>> >
>> > fps at mango 09:48:42 ~/src/bld/rogue/ $ make
>> > mkdir -p presets
>> > ./presetgen.py
>> > ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen
>> > make: ttl2c: Command not found
>> > make: *** [src/rogue.gen] Error 127
>> >
>> > What package containes ttl2c?
>>
>> LV2 devel packages solved it for me (installed LV2 core, lv2-c++-tools
>> and lv2-dev)
>>
>> >
>> > Flo
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Br,
>> >> Timo Westk?mper
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>> >
>>
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From peder at musikhuset.org  Mon Aug 12 11:24:36 2013
From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:24:36 +0200
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
In-Reply-To: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130812132436.j44xndik868kwgw4@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting Abhayadev S <abhayadevs at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
>
> I have been using the US mainly for audio works and now planning to
> leverage it for mixing BGMs for movies and quite not sure the techniques
> involved in finalizing the audio and video (HD/SD) in to a DVD or similar
> output formats for release.
>
> Anybody out there would like to share some experience and tools available
> for this?
>
> Regards,
> Abhayadev S
>

Here's a good start : http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net

Ben Hutchings tutorial there is a good way to understanding what's happening.
If you follow the link to Q DVD Autor under GUI Frontends and click on  
the image on that page you get a quick Wizard walkthrough on how to  
use it.

  - Peder

From diego.simak at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 12:17:37 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:17:37 -0300
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
In-Reply-To: <20130812103833.b8mkg9f8ys0w4k8g@www.musikhuset.org>
References: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPowWD=s_odZCP9=HA9cFNsJhH-U_tDyW99eaB5+mWm86A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130812103833.b8mkg9f8ys0w4k8g@www.musikhuset.org>
Message-ID: <CAKC-MPqap8_0aVCpqRAJKhgBxzwE7MsxzLhP4k1xHOoqtJhfPA@mail.gmail.com>

2013/8/12 Peder Hedlund <peder at musikhuset.org>:
> Quoting Diego Simak <diego.simak at gmail.com>:
>
>> - Audio and video are not in sync, I can see the following message
>> after executing the ffmpeg command:
>>
>> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
>> a speedloss
>>
>> diego at ruidosa:~$ ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r
>> 30 -s 1366x768 -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i
>> screencast -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0
>> -map 1:0 -preset ultrafast -qp 0 aaa.mkv
>
>
>>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.464630, bitrate: 1007124 kb/s
>>     Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (BGR[0] / 0x524742), bgr0, 1366x768,
>> 1007124 kb/s, 30 tbr, 1000k tbn, 30 tbc
>> jack_port_get_latency_range called with an incorrect port 0
>> [jack @ 0x1afbce0] JACK client registered and activated (rate=48000Hz,
>> buffer_size=1024 frames)
>> Guessed Channel Layout for  Input Stream #1.0 : stereo
>> Input #1, jack, from 'screencast':
>>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.619355, bitrate: 3072 kb/s
>>     Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_f32le, 48000 Hz, stereo, flt, 3072 kb/s
>> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
>> a speedloss
>> frame=  122 fps= 23 q=-1.0 Lsize=    2774kB time=00:00:04.06
>> bitrate=5588.3kbits/s
>> video:2040kB audio:732kB subtitle:0 global headers:0kB muxing  overhead
>> 0.097703%
>
>
> A couple of things :
>
> * 1366 isn't a multiple of 8 which is probably why you get the "data is not
> aligned! This can lead to a speedloss" warning. Set it to 1360 instead.
>

Ok, changing to 1360 and now no speedloss message is observerd.

> * You've set ffmpeg to record at 30 fps but it seems your computer can only
> manage to do 23 fps. That might be the cause of the A/V being out of sync.
> Either decrease the capture area, change "-r:v 30" to something like "-r:v
> 20" or try doing an uncompressed recording (replace "-vcodec h264 -preset
> ultrafast -qp 0" with something like "-vcodec huffyuv"). In the latter case
> you'll end up with a really big capture file which you might want/need to
> demux, compress and remux afterwards.
>

I've tried both and still the audio is not in sync with the video:

with -r:v 20

ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r 30 -s 1360x768 -i
:0.0+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i screencast -acodec
pcm_s16le -r:v 20 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0 -map 1:0 -preset
ultrafast -qp 0 toto.mkv

I get this message every second:

[libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
    Last message repeated 2 times
frame=   11 fps=0.0 q=0.0 size=     587kB time=00:00:00.25
bitrate=19235.5kbits/[libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
    Last message repeated 3 times
frame=   23 fps= 21 q=0.0 size=     804kB time=00:00:00.65
bitrate=10137.9kbits/[libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
    Last message repeated 3 times
frame=   33 fps= 21 q=0.0 size=    1125kB time=00:00:01.00
bitrate=9220.1kbits/s[libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
    Last message repeated 2 times
frame=   44 fps= 21 q=0.0 size=    1461kB time=00:00:01.35 bitrate=8866.4kbits/s




without -r:v 20 and with -vcodec huffyuv

I get as you said an enormeous file and this message, but this option
seems to be better; e.g: audio is not in sync but better than h264

Too many video packets in the buffer: (27 in 33747576 bytes).
Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed?
For AVI files, try to force non-interleaved mode with the -ni option.
A:   8.2 V:   7.8 A-V:  0.461 ct:  0.074   0/  0 97%  3% 69.7% 71 0


           ************************************************
           **** Your system is too SLOW to play this!  ****
           ************************************************


It's a Core 2 Duo 2.27 GHz CPUs, don't know if its slow or not, seems it is...

I still have to try what happens with J.Liles suggestion to use Xephyr
but it seems that it will be the same.

Thanks for your help, really appreciated!


>  - Peder
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From marc at hacklava.net  Mon Aug 12 12:18:41 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:18:41 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <5208A944.7080809@linuxuse.de>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <5208A944.7080809@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <20130812081841.39f9786c@telecino>

Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de> a ?crit :
> I use to react to such policies by not buying/listening to music that
> is made that way. It is the artists choice to sound that way and I
> respect that and in respect for my own holy and immaculate personal
> taste I do not buy it.

It is not really an artistic choice. Popular cultural references are
tailored by media industries, and artists are just conforming. If you
don't buy, others will to comfort artists in their "choices". Music is a
good indicator of things to come; the future sounds louder and even more
over-compressed. Kickstarter won't change that. Education might help.
--
Marc

From diego.simak at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 12:24:45 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:24:45 -0300
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <5208A5B1.2080808@linuxuse.de>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
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2013/8/12 Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de>:
> Am 12.08.2013 02:47, schrieb Diego Simak:
>> 2013/8/11 Ralph Bluecoat <ralphbluecoat at gmail.com>:
>>> It's not possible to "undo" the mastering job once it has been bounced.
>>> You'll sadly have to live with it.
>>>
>>> Sorry for your ears,
>>>
>>> -R
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's been a while since I did anything with linux audio, or even had much
>>>> to do with music, but now I'm attempting to listen to music that has been
>>>> recently released, and find it unlistenable.
>>>>
>>>> The mastering! The compression! It burns!! It burns!!! Auugh, my ears!!
>>>>
>>>> I mean, it's obviously distorted. I can hear the clipping. People are
>>>> putting out released tracks that I can't listen to without getting a
>>>> splitting headache.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any such thing that I might be able to pipe into an ALSA or JACK
>>>> setup, which would repair these broken tracks?
>>>>
>>>> It's sad. It's like people are mastering for laptop speakers, cellphone
>>>> speakers, or earbuds, and nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, as an example, I've just stumbled across the music of Amanda Palmer,
>>>> downloaded her latest album, I think the music is great, or could be, but I
>>>> can't listen to it because of the mastering.
>>>>
>>>> -ken
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>>
>>
>> see this post from Claude Young:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114569084697251798925/posts/czFWAWSvBXY
>
> I think this smells a bit like snake-oil.
>
> The EQ/Filtering/Compression/Anything in a rendered signal *is* the
> signal now and there is no way telling, what aspect of the signal is
> introduced by the filtering and what part is the pristine, "hifi
> original". You can make estimations based on common "standards" and try
> to reverse, what *you* dislike in the signal but you cannot effectively
> restore the signal before mastering.
>

very clear your explanation, thanks

Shame on you Claude Young, shame on you!
;-D

From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Aug 12 12:56:25 2013
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:56:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130812081841.39f9786c@telecino>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
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Am 12.08.2013 14:18, schrieb Marc Lavall?e:
> Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de> a ?crit :
>> I use to react to such policies by not buying/listening to music that
>> is made that way. It is the artists choice to sound that way and I
>> respect that and in respect for my own holy and immaculate personal
>> taste I do not buy it.
> 
> It is not really an artistic choice. Popular cultural references are
> tailored by media industries, and artists are just conforming.

If they do they will not have a share of my music-buying budget. And if
it is not choice but compliance, it does not change much for me. Failing
to defend your own art against defacements on behest of the industry is
failure anyway.

> If you
> don't buy, others will to comfort artists in their "choices".

I am afraid, you are correct in this anyway, I do believe, that I am not
entirely alone when I spend my money on music, that suits me better...

> Music is a
> good indicator of things to come; the future sounds louder and even more
> over-compressed.

To avoid misunderstanding: I do not dislike loudness as such. If it is
done right and fits an artistic concept, I really like to hear
loudness-mastering too. The last Dead Can Dance LP is incredibly loud
and still has a lot of interesting texture and atmosphere. The
QOTSA-album with the descriptive name "Songs for the deaf" is infamously
toothpasted too but they manage it, to keep it sound organic and even
quite dynamic.

I remember recording Mot?rheads Ace of Space back in 1983 or so onto a
tapemachine with real VUs and how impressed I was, that the VU did not
move at all ;-)


> Kickstarter won't change that. Education might help.

I think, some more discordianism could help also. It should be
considered more swag to be different/individual. Many kids feel that
way, just have a look upon the fanbase of Anit-folk reactionaries like
D?ne or the Two Gallants.

best regards

HZN

> --
> Marc
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 


From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 13:06:05 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:06:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Wires for Empathy Trailer Release (Tube Open Source Video
	Project)
In-Reply-To: <CANo8TMo95VfbJ=aC8SoVExJ+EfNZPwbELgUAMWH47A996bK94w@mail.gmail.com>
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 El 05/08/2013 16:20, "Thomas Vecchione" <seablaede at gmail.com> escribi?:

> So the Tube project has been chugging along in the background and a new
> trailer has been released...
>
> http://urchn.org/post/wires-for-empathy-trailer
>
> All the sounds were recorded on a Tascam DR-40 with a small variety of
> mics (Built In Mics for a surprising amount, SM57s, and AKG c451/ck94 on a
> jury rig for a M/S combo).  Everything with one exception was done on Linux
> with Ardour3.3, or git versions near that, the exception being cleaning up
> the audio (Noise reduction primarily) which sad fact of life is that there
> isn't much on Linux to compare to even basic tools on Mac or Windows sadly,
> but will comment more on that some other time.
>
> Many thanks to Robin Gaerus for putting up with me over the past couple
> weeks as I broke and he fixed his wonderful work on the Video Timeline of
> course:)
>
>      Seablade
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
This is really interesting, and the animation in the teasers to me seem
really professional, and also create certain appeal to watch it as soon as
it is released.

Keep up the great work.
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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 13:18:04 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:18:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Two little tracks
In-Reply-To: <51FFC922.4060107@gmx.net>
References: <51FFC922.4060107@gmx.net>
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 El 05/08/2013 17:47, "Florian Paul Schmidt" <mista.tapas at gmx.net> escribi?:

>
> Hi,
>
> getting back into Renoise a bit lately. So here's two rough cuts. One is
> more experimental than the other :D
>
> https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/**check-refrac<https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/check-refrac>
>
> https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/**whence<https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/whence>
>
> Have fun,
> Flo
> ______________________________**_________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>

A little disturbing, most of all the first one. Good experiments after all.

Thanks for sharing.
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From egor.sanin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 14:15:09 2013
From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:15:09 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Using a USB pedalboard to trigger keystrokes
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082045190.25821@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082045190.25821@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CALVwFW8c1qSRVG9FOwCod-VhUVOOTOMkpHhj7cjJfProBdTt1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Julien

On 8/8/13, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>    Someone told me, that they were intending to get a pedalboard to trigger
>
> keystrokes to control some commandline applications. And I've been
> wondering.
>    Does anyone have experience with that? A specific device and what about
> the
> configuration tools for such tasks?

Could you provide a bit more detail about your specific use case?

You do mention that soldering is not an interest, but there was a
thread here some time earlier with the suggestion to hack apart a USB
keyboard and just a few of the keys as triggers.  This is not a
difficult task, and perhaps a friend could help you out.
If USB keyboards are an option, writing a python script to capture
input and trigger system commands is almost trivial.

From samtuke at fsfe.org  Mon Aug 12 14:17:51 2013
From: samtuke at fsfe.org (Sam Tuke)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:17:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Reverse reverb how-to with LV2 plugin
Message-ID: <5208EE8F.1050801@fsfe.org>

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Hi all,

First post here. I wrote a new blog entry yesterday:

"Achieve reverse reverb (echo) effect with GNU/Linux audio plugins"

https://blogs.fsfe.org/samtuke/?p=599

I used Qtractor and IR.LV2 to recreate an effect like one applied to pianos by
the famous electro group Justice. It might be of interest to some of you.

Best,

Sam.
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From abhayadevs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 14:36:12 2013
From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:06:12 +0530
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
In-Reply-To: <20130812132436.j44xndik868kwgw4@www.musikhuset.org>
References: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMF23z0y2GzO6bQXo5wY4JriU=2EBimPfvOk1UWR_JxdxyD9Hg@mail.gmail.com>

great.. this is something i was actually looking for... thanks for the
links and information.

I have another question on this (forgive my ignorance) this supports PAL
and NTSC formats only  so how to author a FULL HD video? Also with multiple
tracks of audio.. is it necessary that i have to have a stereo mix ready or
the DVD player creates it from the 5.1 channels of surround audio available
already?

Regards,
Abhayadev S


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Peder Hedlund <peder at musikhuset.org> wrote:

> Quoting Abhayadev S <abhayadevs at gmail.com>:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> I have been using the US mainly for audio works and now planning to
>> leverage it for mixing BGMs for movies and quite not sure the techniques
>> involved in finalizing the audio and video (HD/SD) in to a DVD or similar
>> output formats for release.
>>
>> Anybody out there would like to share some experience and tools available
>> for this?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Abhayadev S
>>
>>
> Here's a good start : http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.**net<http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net>
>
> Ben Hutchings tutorial there is a good way to understanding what's
> happening.
> If you follow the link to Q DVD Autor under GUI Frontends and click on the
> image on that page you get a quick Wizard walkthrough on how to use it.
>
>  - Peder
> ______________________________**_________________
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 12 14:40:15 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:40:15 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <5208A451.3040004@linuxuse.de>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
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On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 11:01 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote:
> Am 12.08.2013 10:50, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> > On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 18:28 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> >> Al Thompson wrote:
> >>> Note that this is essentially just an EQ.  It is not going to have any
> >>> effect at all on compression/limiting.
> > 
> > EQ settings do effect compression.
> 
> Of course they do: *while* you compress. But contradicting EQ-settings
> *after* the compression is done and rendered wont undo the rendered
> compression.

That's not completely true. Usage of EQs can cause a less or more
compressed like mix, while no compressor is included to the signal
chain.


From idragosani at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 14:43:20 2013
From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:43:20 -0400
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
In-Reply-To: <CAMF23z0y2GzO6bQXo5wY4JriU=2EBimPfvOk1UWR_JxdxyD9Hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130812132436.j44xndik868kwgw4@www.musikhuset.org>
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Abhayadev S <abhayadevs at gmail.com> wrote:

> great.. this is something i was actually looking for... thanks for the
> links and information.
>
> I have another question on this (forgive my ignorance) this supports PAL
> and NTSC formats only  so how to author a FULL HD video? Also with
> multiple tracks of audio.. is it necessary that i have to have a stereo mix
> ready or the DVD player creates it from the 5.1 channels of surround audio
> available already?
>
>
You can't put HD video on a DVD, the format only supports SD. You will need
to go to Blu-Ray for HD video, and sadly, there is not a lot of support yet
on Linux for Blu-Ray.

This link may get you started, though:

https://irishjesus.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/blu-ray-movie-authoring-in-linux/


-- 
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com
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"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
would overturn the world."
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 12 14:45:01 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:45:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <1376318415.958.1.camel@archlinux>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
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On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 16:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 11:01 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote:
> > Am 12.08.2013 10:50, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> > > On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 18:28 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> > >> Al Thompson wrote:
> > >>> Note that this is essentially just an EQ.  It is not going to have any
> > >>> effect at all on compression/limiting.
> > > 
> > > EQ settings do effect compression.
> > 
> > Of course they do: *while* you compress. But contradicting EQ-settings
> > *after* the compression is done and rendered wont undo the rendered
> > compression.
> 
> That's not completely true. Usage of EQs can cause a less or more
> compressed like mix, while no compressor is included to the signal
> chain.

PS: For sure using an EQ won't decompress a compressed signal, that
isn't my point.



From abhayadevs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 14:50:54 2013
From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:20:54 +0530
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
In-Reply-To: <CAPNMgw5sqVvoCmjS7+D_2yYQ+m-b1gvS4gq1iZ+psDt79V+Pgw@mail.gmail.com>
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:( so at least i can make a MKV file or something like that to hold the HD
content? The linux video editors support multi-track audio and export to HD
video formats?

Regards,
Abhayadev S


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Brett McCoy <idragosani at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Abhayadev S <abhayadevs at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> great.. this is something i was actually looking for... thanks for the
>> links and information.
>>
>> I have another question on this (forgive my ignorance) this supports PAL
>> and NTSC formats only  so how to author a FULL HD video? Also with
>> multiple tracks of audio.. is it necessary that i have to have a stereo mix
>> ready or the DVD player creates it from the 5.1 channels of surround audio
>> available already?
>>
>>
> You can't put HD video on a DVD, the format only supports SD. You will
> need to go to Blu-Ray for HD video, and sadly, there is not a lot of
> support yet on Linux for Blu-Ray.
>
> This link may get you started, though:
>
>
> https://irishjesus.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/blu-ray-movie-authoring-in-linux/
>
>
> --
> Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
> would overturn the world."
>     -- Jelaleddin Rumi
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From althompson58 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 15:02:13 2013
From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:02:13 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20130812182844.28b37c4585ff2376eaf64eb9@mega-nerd.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
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On 08/12/2013 04:28 AM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
>
>>  It is also not going to
>> eliminate the phase shifts introduced by the original EQs, but is simply
>> going to add more.
> Not totally true. A lot of research has been done on correcting for
> magnitude and phase response. For example these two papers:
>
>     http://guillaume.perrin74.free.fr/ChalmersMT2012/Papers/JAES_52(10)_2004_IF_SubjectiveInvestigation.pdf
>     http://web.uvic.ca/~hgiesbre/499/13763.pdf
>
> I haven't kept up with this are of research, but I would not be
> surprised if more progress has been made since 2006.

The problem is that if you know EXACTLY what curves were applied
originally, AND you know the specific EQ algorithms used, you MAY be
able to make some corrections.  But, the chances of knowing EXACTLY what
curves (freq. center point, filter type, slope, and bandwidth), you
can't make those corrections, and are just adding still more processing
to the mix.



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From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 15:05:24 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:05:24 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
Message-ID: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,
This is related to recording, and my recordings are made on linux, so,
it is tangential to all of these lists. :-)

I own an ART tube pac, which is a preamp compressor combo unit.
It is the first generation of this unit I believe. I've just started
using this unit.

Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.

Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with them?

The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?

The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.

Now, before you go on about how the ART pre is cheap and crappy. I
know it's a budget pre, that's why I can afford it. I'm only looking
for constructive ideas, or similar experience.

Thanks so much!

Rusty

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Aug 12 15:19:26 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:19:26 +0000
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130812151926.GA10420@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 08:05:24AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
 
> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
> 
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with them?
> 
> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?

The tube itself, no. The power supply, yes.
 
> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.

Which sound card is the preamp connected to, and how (type of
input, cable, etc.) ?

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From idragosani at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 15:25:17 2013
From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:25:17 -0400
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
In-Reply-To: <CAMF23z19OBfjHpZLEBJuFtU4uHbPQ4nG6YKC9vO3s0Vc0dUNyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130812132436.j44xndik868kwgw4@www.musikhuset.org>
 <CAMF23z0y2GzO6bQXo5wY4JriU=2EBimPfvOk1UWR_JxdxyD9Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPNMgw5sqVvoCmjS7+D_2yYQ+m-b1gvS4gq1iZ+psDt79V+Pgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMF23z19OBfjHpZLEBJuFtU4uHbPQ4nG6YKC9vO3s0Vc0dUNyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPNMgw6kJGaugwp_wUsbPfQ8tmRiArOMvR+HrZwPqCyJ3nxg-w@mail.gmail.com>

Linux video NLEs like kdenlive and openshot all support HD video. Not sure
if they can do 5.1 audio, though, as I think that requires a proprietary
codec (AC3?)


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Abhayadev S <abhayadevs at gmail.com> wrote:

> :( so at least i can make a MKV file or something like that to hold the HD
> content? The linux video editors support multi-track audio and export to HD
> video formats?
>
> Regards,
> Abhayadev S
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Brett McCoy <idragosani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Abhayadev S <abhayadevs at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> great.. this is something i was actually looking for... thanks for the
>>> links and information.
>>>
>>> I have another question on this (forgive my ignorance) this supports PAL
>>> and NTSC formats only  so how to author a FULL HD video? Also with
>>> multiple tracks of audio.. is it necessary that i have to have a stereo mix
>>> ready or the DVD player creates it from the 5.1 channels of surround audio
>>> available already?
>>>
>>>
>> You can't put HD video on a DVD, the format only supports SD. You will
>> need to go to Blu-Ray for HD video, and sadly, there is not a lot of
>> support yet on Linux for Blu-Ray.
>>
>> This link may get you started, though:
>>
>>
>> https://irishjesus.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/blu-ray-movie-authoring-in-linux/
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
>> would overturn the world."
>>     -- Jelaleddin Rumi
>>
>
>


-- 
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
would overturn the world."
    -- Jelaleddin Rumi
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From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Mon Aug 12 15:29:36 2013
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:29:36 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <5208A944.7080809@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <20130812152936.0EFCFBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us>


I followed this thread some.  I agree that getting back to the
uncompressed audio would be virtually impossible without knowing
the non-linear transfer function that resulted in what exists
now.  But, I have hardware, both in my "home stereo" and in my
recording rack that is a "decompressor"; I think most people
would call those "expanders", as is the label on the gear.
Oddly, the home stereo version is more adjustable.  I can't get
back uncompressed audio with those.  But, I do get audio with
more dynamic range, and it's only a question of how pleasing the
result is as to whether it's worth using.

I hope that's useful commentary & info.

Cheerio....

--
Kevin



From idragosani at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 15:29:37 2013
From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:29:37 -0400
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPNMgw5x0-70zRsovH4UdaCzioHaqETeFD3JBUCa0e2ug8aqEQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi folks,
> This is related to recording, and my recordings are made on linux, so,
> it is tangential to all of these lists. :-)
>
> I own an ART tube pac, which is a preamp compressor combo unit.
> It is the first generation of this unit I believe. I've just started
> using this unit.
>
> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with
> them?
>

I've got a rackmount 2 channel ART tube pre, and a pair of small ART tube
DI/pre-amp units. Never given me a bit of trouble like this.


>
> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?
>
> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.
>
> Now, before you go on about how the ART pre is cheap and crappy. I
> know it's a budget pre, that's why I can afford it. I'm only looking
> for constructive ideas, or similar experience.
>

Likely not the tubes, could be bad wiring in the unit, flaky power supply,
etc. What is the unit plugged into? Power conditioner? Power strip?
Directly into the wall? Did you try different places to plugin to rule out
any issues there?
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Aug 12 15:41:04 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:41:04 +0000
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFrabUWoCZzGLcCUHM3trUa2Y4zeTFurgy5NZe0J3PAtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130812151926.GA10420@linuxaudio.org>
 <CAE8SejFrabUWoCZzGLcCUHM3trUa2Y4zeTFurgy5NZe0J3PAtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130812154104.GB10420@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 08:24:41AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:

> The preamp does not use an external power suplly transformer cube. It
> is connected to the power with a grounded cable.

Of course. But if the internal power supply isn't OK it will
generate hum.
 
> It goes via xlr to one of the inputs on my delta 1010lt card.
> Both computer and preamp are connected to the same power source.

You need to be more specific, nobody can help you otherwise.
The delta 1010lt has two mic inputs with XLR connectors.
Is it one of these you are using ? It is probably configured
for maximum gain and you need to change that. It's done using
jumpers on the card, see page 8 of the manual.

First try the setting marked '2A' in the manual. If you can't
get enough signal (by increasing the gain on the preamp) with
that, try '2'. If still not enough, try '1A'.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Aug 12 15:47:13 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:47:13 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Decompressor for linux?
In-Reply-To: <5208F8F5.7060107@gmail.com>
References: <20130811085710.GD9020@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
 <CADe0EVSJ3FSMHdOqy-ey0EYvjQsLWi0RbEE=sJCgkJnZqBKs_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqqiRPRL9wdsr4NL-3q7q_45B0PabMk_dKhwRJrNiazcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <52087F02.8050702@gmail.com>
 <20130812182844.28b37c4585ff2376eaf64eb9@mega-nerd.com>
 <5208F8F5.7060107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130812154713.GC10420@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:02:13AM -0400, Al Thompson wrote:
 
> The problem is that if you know EXACTLY what curves were applied
> originally, AND you know the specific EQ algorithms used, you MAY be
> able to make some corrections.  But, the chances of knowing EXACTLY what
> curves (freq. center point, filter type, slope, and bandwidth), you
> can't make those corrections, and are just adding still more processing
> to the mix.

Which, if you use your ears and a bit of intelligence, has a good
chance of cancelling at least part of what was done, even if it's
not exact. We're not searching for a crypto key here.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From malnourite at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 16:17:05 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:17:05 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSaGThQSsMnveDTKYH99ugqXY7aX-BDk8XH3pjg-0RzNRQ@mail.gmail.com>

I bought this unit and returned it the same day. The noise is inherent in
the design. This device is not suitable for any serious use. The guy at
GuitarCenter told me that they have a 100% return rate on it and cautioned
me not to buy it in the first place.


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> This is related to recording, and my recordings are made on linux, so,
> it is tangential to all of these lists. :-)
>
> I own an ART tube pac, which is a preamp compressor combo unit.
> It is the first generation of this unit I believe. I've just started
> using this unit.
>
> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with
> them?
>
> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?
>
> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.
>
> Now, before you go on about how the ART pre is cheap and crappy. I
> know it's a budget pre, that's why I can afford it. I'm only looking
> for constructive ideas, or similar experience.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Rusty
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 16:18:50 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:18:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSbwPy7h=MfWD-VK_OyRpb0ptpjPxVBM+pZygxWFBodWZw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, and I should say that I also bought the ART USB Dual Pre (not tube!)
and it works great--low noise (especially when powered by battery).


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> This is related to recording, and my recordings are made on linux, so,
> it is tangential to all of these lists. :-)
>
> I own an ART tube pac, which is a preamp compressor combo unit.
> It is the first generation of this unit I believe. I've just started
> using this unit.
>
> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with
> them?
>
> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?
>
> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.
>
> Now, before you go on about how the ART pre is cheap and crappy. I
> know it's a budget pre, that's why I can afford it. I'm only looking
> for constructive ideas, or similar experience.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Rusty
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 16:21:11 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:21:11 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Screencasting with JACK [SOLVED!]
In-Reply-To: <CAKC-MPqap8_0aVCpqRAJKhgBxzwE7MsxzLhP4k1xHOoqtJhfPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhWSSZSRVZrasjUU3Cfi-Dg3mdGfnjLbG+yevHXquVHQs4_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPowWD=s_odZCP9=HA9cFNsJhH-U_tDyW99eaB5+mWm86A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130812103833.b8mkg9f8ys0w4k8g@www.musikhuset.org>
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Diego Simak <diego.simak at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2013/8/12 Peder Hedlund <peder at musikhuset.org>:
> > Quoting Diego Simak <diego.simak at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> - Audio and video are not in sync, I can see the following message
> >> after executing the ffmpeg command:
> >>
> >> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
> >> a speedloss
> >>
> >> diego at ruidosa:~$ ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r
> >> 30 -s 1366x768 -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i
> >> screencast -acodec pcm_s16le -r:v 30 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0
> >> -map 1:0 -preset ultrafast -qp 0 aaa.mkv
> >
> >
> >>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.464630, bitrate: 1007124 kb/s
> >>     Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (BGR[0] / 0x524742), bgr0, 1366x768,
> >> 1007124 kb/s, 30 tbr, 1000k tbn, 30 tbc
> >> jack_port_get_latency_range called with an incorrect port 0
> >> [jack @ 0x1afbce0] JACK client registered and activated (rate=48000Hz,
> >> buffer_size=1024 frames)
> >> Guessed Channel Layout for  Input Stream #1.0 : stereo
> >> Input #1, jack, from 'screencast':
> >>   Duration: N/A, start: 1376226919.619355, bitrate: 3072 kb/s
> >>     Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_f32le, 48000 Hz, stereo, flt, 3072 kb/s
> >> [swscaler @ 0x1ac5080] Warning: data is not aligned! This can lead to
> >> a speedloss
> >> frame=  122 fps= 23 q=-1.0 Lsize=    2774kB time=00:00:04.06
> >> bitrate=5588.3kbits/s
> >> video:2040kB audio:732kB subtitle:0 global headers:0kB muxing  overhead
> >> 0.097703%
> >
> >
> > A couple of things :
> >
> > * 1366 isn't a multiple of 8 which is probably why you get the "data is
> not
> > aligned! This can lead to a speedloss" warning. Set it to 1360 instead.
> >
>
> Ok, changing to 1360 and now no speedloss message is observerd.
>
> > * You've set ffmpeg to record at 30 fps but it seems your computer can
> only
> > manage to do 23 fps. That might be the cause of the A/V being out of
> sync.
> > Either decrease the capture area, change "-r:v 30" to something like
> "-r:v
> > 20" or try doing an uncompressed recording (replace "-vcodec h264 -preset
> > ultrafast -qp 0" with something like "-vcodec huffyuv"). In the latter
> case
> > you'll end up with a really big capture file which you might want/need to
> > demux, compress and remux afterwards.
> >
>
> I've tried both and still the audio is not in sync with the video:
>
> with -r:v 20
>
> ffmpeg -fflags +genpts+igndts -f x11grab -vsync 0 -r 30 -s 1360x768 -i
> :0.0+0,0 -vcodec h264 -f jack -ac 2 -r:a 48000  -i screencast -acodec
> pcm_s16le -r:v 20 -vsync 2 -async 1 -map 0:0,1,0 -map 1:0 -preset
> ultrafast -qp 0 toto.mkv
>
> I get this message every second:
>
> [libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
>     Last message repeated 2 times
> frame=   11 fps=0.0 q=0.0 size=     587kB time=00:00:00.25
> bitrate=19235.5kbits/[libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
>     Last message repeated 3 times
> frame=   23 fps= 21 q=0.0 size=     804kB time=00:00:00.65
> bitrate=10137.9kbits/[libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
>     Last message repeated 3 times
> frame=   33 fps= 21 q=0.0 size=    1125kB time=00:00:01.00
> bitrate=9220.1kbits/s[libx264 @ 0x2832a00] non-strictly-monotonic PTS
>     Last message repeated 2 times
> frame=   44 fps= 21 q=0.0 size=    1461kB time=00:00:01.35
> bitrate=8866.4kbits/s
>
>
>
>
> without -r:v 20 and with -vcodec huffyuv
>
> I get as you said an enormeous file and this message, but this option
> seems to be better; e.g: audio is not in sync but better than h264
>
> Too many video packets in the buffer: (27 in 33747576 bytes).
> Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed?
> For AVI files, try to force non-interleaved mode with the -ni option.
> A:   8.2 V:   7.8 A-V:  0.461 ct:  0.074   0/  0 97%  3% 69.7% 71 0
>
>
>            ************************************************
>            **** Your system is too SLOW to play this!  ****
>            ************************************************
>
>
> It's a Core 2 Duo 2.27 GHz CPUs, don't know if its slow or not, seems it
> is...
>
> I still have to try what happens with J.Liles suggestion to use Xephyr
> but it seems that it will be the same.
>
> Thanks for your help, really appreciated!
>
>
> >  - Peder
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

Your system may indeed be too slow to play back the resulting video. You
should first transcode it to a more highly compressed format:

e.g. ffmpeg -i foo.mkv -acodec libvorbis -vcodec h264 bar.mkv
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From jh at brainiac.com  Mon Aug 12 16:32:56 2013
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:32:56 -0400
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSbwPy7h=MfWD-VK_OyRpb0ptpjPxVBM+pZygxWFBodWZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:18:50 -0700
"J. Liles" <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

> I bought this unit and returned it the same day. The noise is inherent in
> the design. This device is not suitable for any serious use. The guy at
> GuitarCenter told me that they have a 100% return rate on it and cautioned
> me not to buy it in the first place.
>     [ and also ]
> Oh, and I should say that I also bought the ART USB Dual Pre (not tube!)
> and it works great--low noise (especially when powered by battery).

Seconded, I've got a USB Dual Pre and it's amazingly flexible and quiet.
I'm a bit surprised the tube version is so bad.

-- 
======================================================================
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 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

From idragosani at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 16:38:44 2013
From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:38:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPNMgw6TtzYOGNmA1_VTJPu=6Pf6i0bygsahDgNA80fVL_jFoA@mail.gmail.com>

The reviews on Musicians Friend give some suggestions on how to work around
the hum. One suggestion was that the phantom power on the pre conflicted
with the phantom power on the main mixer. Another suggested putting
something in between the pre-amp and the mixer (like FX unit or similar).
Another suggested using condensor mikes only. People complaining about the
lack of a ground loop is pretty consistent, though.


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi folks,
> This is related to recording, and my recordings are made on linux, so,
> it is tangential to all of these lists. :-)
>
> I own an ART tube pac, which is a preamp compressor combo unit.
> It is the first generation of this unit I believe. I've just started
> using this unit.
>
> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with
> them?
>
> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?
>
> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.
>
> Now, before you go on about how the ART pre is cheap and crappy. I
> know it's a budget pre, that's why I can afford it. I'm only looking
> for constructive ideas, or similar experience.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Rusty
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 12 16:50:47 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:50:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <20130812123256.767f5cc6c08e05a291b22015@brainiac.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1376326247.1518.3.camel@archlinux>

As others already pointed out, it's unlikely that the noise is caused by
the tubes. I would try what Fon's recommended, but before this I would
test different connections and remove ground. Take care, removing ground
could be dangerous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_lift#Safety .


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Mon Aug 12 17:22:52 2013
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:22:52 +0300
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1491844.854J5lxls1@dovidhalevi>

I have had one of these, bought 2nd hand off ebay, for ages.
Used for vocals, of course.
Never had a moment's trouble with it.

Don't understand the "Guitar Center" unless of recent units are of junk quality. 
Mine is a metal box, built like a tank. I had open it and change a jumper to use 
220v power (not a credit to ART, a standard screwdriver slot switch would have 
been a better idea, and, as usual, "no user servicable parts inside. After almost 
destroy the unit with my grubby hands, still works, no noise).

12AX7 tubes are around, in demand and special quality tubes are available to get 
that special compression, but the hum is from elsewhere.

Check for ground loops in your setup.
The ART uses full sized connectors, the computer interfaces use minis which 
usually introduce noise.

Anyway, the album I did used an old Midiman2044 PCI interface with its chunky, 
fullsized connector breakout box. No noise. Still hoping someone will get this 
baby working on Linux.
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From jamesmstone at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 17:32:00 2013
From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:32:00 +0100
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 12, 2013 4:05 PM, "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> This is related to recording, and my recordings are made on linux, so,
> it is tangential to all of these lists. :-)
>
> I own an ART tube pac, which is a preamp compressor combo unit.
> It is the first generation of this unit I believe. I've just started
> using this unit.
>
> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with
them?
>
> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?
>
> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.
>

Just another easy to test idea - how about moving the unit and the
connectors around the room a bit? I get horrendous hum on my guitar amp if
it picks up rf interference. .. move away from fluorescent lights, dimmer
switches, monitors etc..

J
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From brent at keycorner.org  Mon Aug 12 17:39:07 2013
From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:39:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1308121233470.7687@village.keycorner.org>

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Rusty Perez wrote:

> This is related to recording, and my recordings are made on linux, so, 
> it is tangential to all of these lists. :-)
>
> I own an ART tube pac, which is a preamp compressor combo unit.
> It is the first generation of this unit I believe. I've just started
> using this unit.
>
> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with them?
>
> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?
>
> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.
>
> Now, before you go on about how the ART pre is cheap and crappy. I 
> know it's a budget pre, that's why I can afford it. I'm only looking 
> for constructive ideas, or similar experience.

I have both the ART Dual MP preamp and the Pro VLA II compressor, and 
while neither are anything perfect, they're both quiet as can be.  If 
you have ART equipment with ground hum, it's probably a malfunction.

On the other hand, I've had no less than *3* Bellari/Rolls RP583 
compressors, all exchanged with the company one after the other, in an 
attempt to get one that doesn't have noise on channel 1 only.  After a 
long troubleshooting process, they admitted that was the channel that's 
closer to the power supply, and nothing can be done.  Pfft...no more 
Bellari for me.

-- 
+ Brent A. Busby	 + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +  banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago	 +  eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ James Franck Institute +  Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ Materials Research Ctr +  we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

From brent at keycorner.org  Mon Aug 12 17:44:55 2013
From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:44:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LAU] VST on Gentoo
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1308121241530.7687@village.keycorner.org>

I notice there doesn't seem to be any Vestige package in Portage, not 
even in the Pro-Audio overlay, but there is FST and VST-DSSI.  What's 
the typical way for Gentoo users to get VST support these days?  Never 
really cared before, but I'm think of checking it out now.

Also, I notice that compiling Ardour with VST support throws up a 
warning about trying to enable it on a 64-bit host being an adventure of 
sorts...  Any common strategy amongst Gentoo folks for doing that?

-- 
+ Brent A. Busby	 + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +  banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago	 +  eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ James Franck Institute +  Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ Materials Research Ctr +  we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

From poeticintensity at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 18:11:28 2013
From: poeticintensity at gmail.com (Jason Jones)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:11:28 -0600
Subject: [LAU] VST on Gentoo
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1308121241530.7687@village.keycorner.org>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1308121241530.7687@village.keycorner.org>
Message-ID: <CAEv8nmBGaaG7dr-sBmgm=hxceb03HjrBHxr_nQcR5gEk+abUjA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be interested in the same thing.  I've never tried to enable VST, but
it would be good to know if it works on 64-bit or not in gentoo.


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Brent Busby <brent at keycorner.org> wrote:

> I notice there doesn't seem to be any Vestige package in Portage, not even
> in the Pro-Audio overlay, but there is FST and VST-DSSI.  What's the
> typical way for Gentoo users to get VST support these days?  Never really
> cared before, but I'm think of checking it out now.
>
> Also, I notice that compiling Ardour with VST support throws up a warning
> about trying to enable it on a 64-bit host being an adventure of sorts...
>  Any common strategy amongst Gentoo folks for doing that?
>
> --
> + Brent A. Busby         + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
> + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +  banging on a million typewriters will
> + University of Chicago  +  eventually reproduce the entire works of
> + James Franck Institute +  Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to the Internet,
> + Materials Research Ctr +  we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Mon Aug 12 18:13:22 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:13:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] VST on Gentoo
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1308121241530.7687@village.keycorner.org>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1308121241530.7687@village.keycorner.org>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKmnZ+70XQMmmGU06WDtOuwvvqCGm9bQveNguJe3-izyVw@mail.gmail.com>

You can't add win/x86 VST support to a 64 bit host and then use 32 bit
plugins (which almost all win/x86 VST plugins are at this point). VST 2.x
(which all current VST-on-linux technology is based on) contains pointers
in the API, and since a 64 bit host/plugin and a 32 bit plugin/host would
disagree on the data layout, it will just lead to crashes and/or wierd
behaviour.

This isn't a coding problem - it is a design flaw in the VST 2.x spec
(which was fixed in the VST 3 spec, btw).
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From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 18:29:59 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:29:59 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de> <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt
<mista.tapas at gmx.net>wrote:

> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>
>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>
>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/**rogue<https://github.com/timowest/rogue>
>>>>>
>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>
>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>
>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
>>>
>>> make gui
>>> make
>>>
>>> And it built..
>>>
>>
>> But segfaults:
>>
> [...]
>
>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>
> Here's a bt:
>
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned int,
> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
> lv2/rogue.so
> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::**rogueSynth,
> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
> libjack.so.0
> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
> libjack.so.0
> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
> libjack.so.0
> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
> libjack.so.0
> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
> pthread_create.c:311
> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/**
> x86_64/clone.S:113
> (gdb) quit
> A debugging session is active.
>
>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>
> Quit anyway? (y or n) y


I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?

Br,
Timo


>
>
>
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 18:57:14 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:57:14 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <CAKBe7gCzbgh3D390cYR_t02iOqZdiJxYSc8QKZYAOxtA2YXYQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Timo!

Here are g++ 4.6's many complaints when I change -std=c++11 to -std=c++0x,
which may not be the best idea but hopefully it'll help you get rogue
working on older distros:

http://tny.cz/ebeaf6a7


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Timo Westk?mper
<timo.westkamper at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt <
> mista.tapas at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>>
>>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/**rogue<https://github.com/timowest/rogue>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>>
>>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
>>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
>>>>
>>>> make gui
>>>> make
>>>>
>>>> And it built..
>>>>
>>>
>>> But segfaults:
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>
>> Here's a bt:
>>
>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned int,
>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>> (gdb) bt
>> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
>> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>> lv2/rogue.so
>> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::**rogueSynth,
>> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>> libjack.so.0
>> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>> libjack.so.0
>> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>> libjack.so.0
>> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>> libjack.so.0
>> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>> pthread_create.c:311
>> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/**
>> x86_64/clone.S:113
>> (gdb) quit
>> A debugging session is active.
>>
>>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>
>> Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>
>
> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>
> Br,
> Timo
>
>
>>
>>
>>
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Aug 12 19:11:35 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:11:35 +0000
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAPNMgw6TtzYOGNmA1_VTJPu=6Pf6i0bygsahDgNA80fVL_jFoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:38:44PM -0400, Brett McCoy wrote:

> The reviews on Musicians Friend give some suggestions on how to work around
> the hum. One suggestion was that the phantom power on the pre conflicted
> with the phantom power on the main mixer.

That's plain BS, the two never meet. It just shows that the reviewer
doesn't know what he's talking about.

The preamp provides up to 60 dB of gain. That means it's designed
to output a line level signal. This should not be connected to a
fixed 30 dB gain mic input.

It also has a compressor and is supposed to provide a 'tube sound'.
The compressor won't do much and there won't be any tube sound
if the internal levels are just a few mV. You need to use the 
input gain that is available in order to make the thing work as
designed. 

This means that unless there is _passive_ attenuation on the 
output, it must be connected to a line input, or at most a
mic input with much less gain than the 1010lt provides by
default.

Ciao,


-- 
FA

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It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug 12 19:12:05 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:12:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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On 12.08.2013 20:29, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt 
> <mista.tapas at gmx.net <mailto:mista.tapas at gmx.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>
>         On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>
>             On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>
>                 Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>
>                     Hi.
>
>                     I just wanted to let you know that I have been
>                     working on a soft synth
>                     called rogue.
>
>                 New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>
>                     https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>
>                 I fail to build it:
>
>                 src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>                 gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>                 Kompilierung beendet.
>                 make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>
>                 Do I need any special build-tool in order to create
>                 such an mcpp-file?
>                 mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>
>
>             The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup
>             correctly. You can do:
>
>             make gui
>             make
>
>             And it built..
>
>
>         But segfaults:
>
>     [...]
>
>      make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>
>     Here's a bt:
>
>     Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>     [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>     0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int, unsigned
>     int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>     (gdb) bt
>     #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int,
>     unsigned int, unsigned int) () from
>     /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>     #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned int,
>     unsigned int, unsigned int) () from
>     /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>     #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned int,
>     unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>     #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::rogueSynth,
>     lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>     lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned
>     int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>     #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>     #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>     #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>     pthread_create.c:311
>     #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>     (gdb) quit
>     A debugging session is active.
>
>             Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>
>     Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>
>
> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?

Here you go (did a thread apply all bt). Interestingly enough, when I 
have jackd not running jalv.gtk doesn't crash right away (but I get 
loads of jack debug output about the client being late), but rather when 
I ctrl-c out of jalv. When I do have jackd running (jackdmp btw) then it 
crashes right away..



Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8212)]
rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter (this=this at entry=0xbecb70, i=i at entry=0, 
from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=64) at src/voice.cpp:310
310             float* source = buffers[filterData.source];
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Thread 8 (Thread 0x7fffc62e1700 (LWP 8213)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:238
#1  0x00007ffff632b935 in g_cond_wait_until () from 
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff62c1b81 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007ffff63105fa in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffc62e1700) at 
pthread_create.c:311
#6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113

Thread 7 (Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8212)):
#0  rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter (this=this at entry=0xbecb70, i=i at entry=0, 
from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=64) at src/voice.cpp:310
#1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render 
(this=this at entry=0xbecb70, from=0, to=to at entry=64, off=off at entry=0) at 
src/voice.cpp:366
#2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render (this=0xbecb70, 
from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=2048) at src/voice.cpp:337
#3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in run (sample_count=2048, this=0xbeb650) at 
/usr/local/include/lvtk-1/lvtk/synth.hpp:349
#4  lvtk::Plugin<rogue::rogueSynth, lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, 
lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, 
lvtk::end>::_run (instance=0xbeb650,
     sample_count=2048) at /usr/local/include/lvtk-1/lvtk/plugin.hpp:357
#5  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
#6  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
#7  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#8  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#9  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#10 0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#11 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at 
pthread_create.c:311
#12 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113

Thread 6 (Thread 0x7ffff7eb6700 (LWP 8211)):
#0  0x00007ffff7bcbcbd in read () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
#1  0x00007ffff6e5ee5a in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff6e62423 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#3  0x00007ffff6e6213c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#4  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7ffff7eb6700) at 
pthread_create.c:311
#6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113

Thread 5 (Thread 0x7ffff7f37700 (LWP 8210)):
#0  pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:185
#1  0x00007ffff6e5df08 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff6e5a09f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#3  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
#4  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7ffff7f37700) at 
pthread_create.c:311
#5  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113

Thread 3 (Thread 0x7fffecf25700 (LWP 8208)):
#0  0x00007ffff5fc83cd in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
#1  0x00007ffff62ec1dc in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff62ec6ba in g_main_loop_run () from 
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007ffff3dd94f6 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffecf25700) at 
pthread_create.c:311
#6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113

Thread 2 (Thread 0x7fffed726700 (LWP 8207)):
#0  0x00007ffff5fc83cd in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
#1  0x00007ffff62ec1dc in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff62ec304 in g_main_context_iteration () from 
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007fffed94aa1d in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gio/modules/libdconfsettings.so
#4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffed726700) at 
pthread_create.c:311
#6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113

Thread 1 (Thread 0x7ffff7fb1980 (LWP 8203)):
#0  0x00007ffff62dace3 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#1  0x00007ffff62db1b7 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff62fad1f in g_quark_from_string () from 
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007ffff65c3c50 in g_signal_newv () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007ffff65c44ed in g_signal_new_valist () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00007ffff65c4702 in g_signal_new () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#6  0x00007ffff6932b08 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#7  0x00007ffff65cd956 in g_type_class_ref () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#8  0x00007ffff65b635d in g_object_new_valist () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#9  0x00007ffff65b6804 in g_object_new () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#10 0x000000000040d775 in ?? ()
#11 0x0000000000409968 in ?? ()
#12 0x00007ffff5efcea5 in __libc_start_main (main=0x408837, argc=2, 
ubp_av=0x7fffffffdde8, init=<optimized out>, fini=<optimized out>, 
rtld_fini=<optimized out>,
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
     stack_end=0x7fffffffddd8) at libc-start.c:260
#13 0x0000000000405ba9 in ?? ()
(gdb)


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From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 19:25:44 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:25:44 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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Hi Dan.

Thanks for posting the list. I created a ticket for the issue
https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/59

I realize that field initializers is a very new feature that is not
supported in g++ 4.6. But using them feels quite intuitive.

What distro and version are you using?

Br,
Timo

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Timo!
>
> Here are g++ 4.6's many complaints when I change -std=c++11 to -std=c++0x,
> which may not be the best idea but hopefully it'll help you get rogue
> working on older distros:
>
> http://tny.cz/ebeaf6a7
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt <
>> mista.tapas at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft
>>>>>>> synth
>>>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/**rogue<https://github.com/timowest/rogue>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
>>>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
>>>>>
>>>>> make gui
>>>>> make
>>>>>
>>>>> And it built..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But segfaults:
>>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>>
>>> Here's a bt:
>>>
>>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>>> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>>> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned int,
>>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>> (gdb) bt
>>> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
>>> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::**rogueSynth,
>>> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>>> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
>>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>>> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>>> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>> libjack.so.0
>>> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>> libjack.so.0
>>> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>> libjack.so.0
>>> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>> libjack.so.0
>>> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>>> pthread_create.c:311
>>> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/**
>>> x86_64/clone.S:113
>>> (gdb) quit
>>> A debugging session is active.
>>>
>>>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>>
>>> Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>>
>>
>> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>>
>> Br,
>> Timo
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Flo
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>
>>>
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 19:26:49 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:26:49 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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KXStudio (Ubuntu 12.04) amd64

Thanks Timo!


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Timo Westk?mper
<timo.westkamper at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Dan.
>
> Thanks for posting the list. I created a ticket for the issue
> https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/59
>
> I realize that field initializers is a very new feature that is not
> supported in g++ 4.6. But using them feels quite intuitive.
>
> What distro and version are you using?
>
> Br,
> Timo
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Timo!
>>
>> Here are g++ 4.6's many complaints when I change -std=c++11 to
>> -std=c++0x, which may not be the best idea but hopefully it'll help you get
>> rogue working on older distros:
>>
>> http://tny.cz/ebeaf6a7
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
>> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt <
>>> mista.tapas at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft
>>>>>>>> synth
>>>>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/**rogue<https://github.com/timowest/rogue>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an
>>>>>>> mcpp-file?
>>>>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can
>>>>>> do:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> make gui
>>>>>> make
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it built..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But segfaults:
>>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>>>
>>>> Here's a bt:
>>>>
>>>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>>>> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>>>> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
>>>> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>> (gdb) bt
>>>> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
>>>> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::**rogueSynth,
>>>> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>>>> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
>>>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>>>> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>>>> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>>>> pthread_create.c:311
>>>> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/**
>>>> x86_64/clone.S:113
>>>> (gdb) quit
>>>> A debugging session is active.
>>>>
>>>>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>>>
>>>> Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>>>
>>>
>>> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>>>
>>> Br,
>>> Timo
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Flo
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 19:31:58 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:31:58 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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Hi.

I upgrading to gcc 4.7 an option for you? This tutorial seems quite safe
http://charette.no-ip.com:81/programming/2011-12-24_GCCv47/

Time is a very limited resource in open source projects, so I'd like to use
c++ with a feature set that I consider productive ;)

Br,
Timo

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

> KXStudio (Ubuntu 12.04) amd64
>
> Thanks Timo!
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan.
>>
>> Thanks for posting the list. I created a ticket for the issue
>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/59
>>
>> I realize that field initializers is a very new feature that is not
>> supported in g++ 4.6. But using them feels quite intuitive.
>>
>> What distro and version are you using?
>>
>> Br,
>> Timo
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Timo!
>>>
>>> Here are g++ 4.6's many complaints when I change -std=c++11 to
>>> -std=c++0x, which may not be the best idea but hopefully it'll help you get
>>> rogue working on older distros:
>>>
>>> http://tny.cz/ebeaf6a7
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
>>> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt <
>>>> mista.tapas at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft
>>>>>>>>> synth
>>>>>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/**rogue<https://github.com/timowest/rogue>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>>>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>>>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>>>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an
>>>>>>>> mcpp-file?
>>>>>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can
>>>>>>> do:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make gui
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it built..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But segfaults:
>>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a bt:
>>>>>
>>>>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>>>>> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>>>>> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
>>>>> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>>> (gdb) bt
>>>>> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int,
>>>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>>> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::**rogueSynth,
>>>>> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>>>>> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
>>>>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>>> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>>>>> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>>>>> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>>>>> pthread_create.c:311
>>>>> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/**
>>>>> x86_64/clone.S:113
>>>>> (gdb) quit
>>>>> A debugging session is active.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>>>>
>>>> Br,
>>>> Timo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Flo
>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 19:43:36 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:43:36 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi.

This should fix it
https://github.com/timowest/rogue/commit/04f124a01257228df65186320d517973ac912db0

One parameter was not properly copied to the internal parameter model.

Thanks again for testing.

Br,
Timo

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt
<mista.tapas at gmx.net>wrote:

>  On 12.08.2013 20:29, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt <
> mista.tapas at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
>>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>>
>>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>>>>>>
>>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>>
>>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
>>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
>>>>
>>>> make gui
>>>> make
>>>>
>>>> And it built..
>>>>
>>>
>>> But segfaults:
>>>
>>  [...]
>>
>>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>
>>  Here's a bt:
>>
>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int, unsigned int,
>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>> (gdb) bt
>> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int, unsigned int,
>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned int,
>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from
>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned int,
>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::rogueSynth,
>> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>> pthread_create.c:311
>> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>> (gdb) quit
>> A debugging session is active.
>>
>>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>
>> Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>
>
> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>
>
> Here you go (did a thread apply all bt). Interestingly enough, when I have
> jackd not running jalv.gtk doesn't crash right away (but I get loads of
> jack debug output about the client being late), but rather when I ctrl-c
> out of jalv. When I do have jackd running (jackdmp btw) then it crashes
> right away..
>
>
>
>
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8212)]
> rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter (this=this at entry=0xbecb70, i=i at entry=0,
> from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=64) at src/voice.cpp:310
> 310             float* source = buffers[filterData.source];
> (gdb) thread apply all bt
>
> Thread 8 (Thread 0x7fffc62e1700 (LWP 8213)):
> #0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at
> ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:238
> #1  0x00007ffff632b935 in g_cond_wait_until () from
> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #2  0x00007ffff62c1b81 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #3  0x00007ffff63105fa in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffc62e1700) at
> pthread_create.c:311
> #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
> Thread 7 (Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8212)):
> #0  rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter (this=this at entry=0xbecb70, i=i at entry=0,
> from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=64) at src/voice.cpp:310
> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render (this=this at entry=0xbecb70,
> from=0, to=to at entry=64, off=off at entry=0) at src/voice.cpp:366
> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render (this=0xbecb70,
> from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=2048) at src/voice.cpp:337
> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in run (sample_count=2048, this=0xbeb650) at
> /usr/local/include/lvtk-1/lvtk/synth.hpp:349
> #4  lvtk::Plugin<rogue::rogueSynth, lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end,
> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
> lvtk::end>::_run (instance=0xbeb650,
>     sample_count=2048) at /usr/local/include/lvtk-1/lvtk/plugin.hpp:357
> #5  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
> #6  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #8  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #9  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #10 0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #11 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
> pthread_create.c:311
> #12 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
> Thread 6 (Thread 0x7ffff7eb6700 (LWP 8211)):
> #0  0x00007ffff7bcbcbd in read () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
> #1  0x00007ffff6e5ee5a in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #2  0x00007ffff6e62423 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #3  0x00007ffff6e6213c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #4  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7ffff7eb6700) at
> pthread_create.c:311
> #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
> Thread 5 (Thread 0x7ffff7f37700 (LWP 8210)):
> #0  pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at
> ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:185
> #1  0x00007ffff6e5df08 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #2  0x00007ffff6e5a09f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #3  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
> #4  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7ffff7f37700) at
> pthread_create.c:311
> #5  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
> Thread 3 (Thread 0x7fffecf25700 (LWP 8208)):
> #0  0x00007ffff5fc83cd in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
> #1  0x00007ffff62ec1dc in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #2  0x00007ffff62ec6ba in g_main_loop_run () from
> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #3  0x00007ffff3dd94f6 in ?? () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
> #4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffecf25700) at
> pthread_create.c:311
> #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
> Thread 2 (Thread 0x7fffed726700 (LWP 8207)):
> #0  0x00007ffff5fc83cd in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
> #1  0x00007ffff62ec1dc in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #2  0x00007ffff62ec304 in g_main_context_iteration () from
> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #3  0x00007fffed94aa1d in ?? () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gio/modules/libdconfsettings.so
> #4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffed726700) at
> pthread_create.c:311
> #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
> Thread 1 (Thread 0x7ffff7fb1980 (LWP 8203)):
> #0  0x00007ffff62dace3 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #1  0x00007ffff62db1b7 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #2  0x00007ffff62fad1f in g_quark_from_string () from
> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
> #3  0x00007ffff65c3c50 in g_signal_newv () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
> #4  0x00007ffff65c44ed in g_signal_new_valist () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
> #5  0x00007ffff65c4702 in g_signal_new () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
> #6  0x00007ffff6932b08 in ?? () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
> #7  0x00007ffff65cd956 in g_type_class_ref () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
> #8  0x00007ffff65b635d in g_object_new_valist () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
> #9  0x00007ffff65b6804 in g_object_new () from
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
> #10 0x000000000040d775 in ?? ()
> #11 0x0000000000409968 in ?? ()
> #12 0x00007ffff5efcea5 in __libc_start_main (main=0x408837, argc=2,
> ubp_av=0x7fffffffdde8, init=<optimized out>, fini=<optimized out>,
> rtld_fini=<optimized out>,
> ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
>     stack_end=0x7fffffffddd8) at libc-start.c:260
> #13 0x0000000000405ba9 in ?? ()
> (gdb)
>
>
> Flo
>
>
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From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 19:44:34 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:44:34 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <5208AA4A.8090508@linuxuse.de>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de> <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
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Message-ID: <CAKBe7gBL3=5MJXYtzT3-jxd8+7dicoOLfvv_9mfoBuRc4rqeSA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de>wrote:

> Am 12.08.2013 11:19, schrieb Florian Paul Schmidt:
> > On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
> >> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft synth
> >>> called rogue.
> >> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
> >>
> >>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue
> >> I fail to build it:
> >>
> >> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
> >> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
> >> Kompilierung beendet.
> >> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
> >>
> >> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an mcpp-file?
> >> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
> >
> > The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can do:
> >
> > make gui
> > make
> >
> > And it built..
>
> Thanks a lot! build works OK now,
>
> Though the plugin crashes Ardour3.3 on first contact....
>

Do you have any more info on the crash?

In your case this parameter copying fix might also fix the crash
https://github.com/timowest/rogue/commit/04f124a01257228df65186320d517973ac912db0

Br,
Timo


>
> >
> > flo
> >
> >>
> >>> It's not yet feature complete, but it would be great to get some
> external
> >>> feedback concerning sound, stability and visuals.
> >>>
> >>> Br,
> >>> Timo Westk?mper
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >>>
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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug 12 20:11:13 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:11:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <CAKBe7gDUtG+SbVaw=dgmxvA-i-gmMDzzXB0nV2JEJZXLWg=s+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5208A277.7040607@linuxuse.de> <5208A8BA.7090800@gmx.net>
 <5208A9B9.10203@gmx.net> <5208AA2B.6000100@gmx.net>
 <CAKBe7gCzbgh3D390cYR_t02iOqZdiJxYSc8QKZYAOxtA2YXYQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <52093385.20609@gmx.net>
 <CAKBe7gDUtG+SbVaw=dgmxvA-i-gmMDzzXB0nV2JEJZXLWg=s+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52094161.6050102@gmx.net>

On 12.08.2013 21:43, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
> Hi.
>
> This should fix it 
> https://github.com/timowest/rogue/commit/04f124a01257228df65186320d517973ac912db0
>
> One parameter was not properly copied to the internal parameter model.
>
> Thanks again for testing.
>

Now it starts up just fine :D

Thanks,
Flo

> Br,
> Timo
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt 
> <mista.tapas at gmx.net <mailto:mista.tapas at gmx.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 12.08.2013 20:29, Timo Westk?mper wrote:
>>     On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt
>>     <mista.tapas at gmx.net <mailto:mista.tapas at gmx.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>             On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>                 On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>
>>                     Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>
>>                         Hi.
>>
>>                         I just wanted to let you know that I have
>>                         been working on a soft synth
>>                         called rogue.
>>
>>                     New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a
>>                     lot! :-)
>>
>>                         https://github.com/timowest/rogue
>>
>>                     I fail to build it:
>>
>>                     src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>                     gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
>>                     gefunden
>>                     Kompilierung beendet.
>>                     make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>
>>                     Do I need any special build-tool in order to
>>                     create such an mcpp-file?
>>                     mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>
>>
>>                 The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup
>>                 correctly. You can do:
>>
>>                 make gui
>>                 make
>>
>>                 And it built..
>>
>>
>>             But segfaults:
>>
>>         [...]
>>
>>          make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>
>>         Here's a bt:
>>
>>         Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>>         [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>>         0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int,
>>         unsigned int, unsigned int) () from
>>         /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>>         (gdb) bt
>>         #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(int,
>>         unsigned int, unsigned int) () from
>>         /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>>         #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned
>>         int, unsigned int, unsigned int) () from
>>         /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>>         #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(unsigned
>>         int, unsigned int) () from
>>         /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>>         #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::rogueSynth,
>>         lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>>         lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*,
>>         unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.lv2/rogue.so
>>         #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>>         #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>>         #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from
>>         /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>>         #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from
>>         /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>>         #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from
>>         /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>>         #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from
>>         /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>>         #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700)
>>         at pthread_create.c:311
>>         #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>>         ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>>         (gdb) quit
>>         A debugging session is active.
>>
>>                 Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>
>>         Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>>
>>
>>     I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>
>     Here you go (did a thread apply all bt). Interestingly enough,
>     when I have jackd not running jalv.gtk doesn't crash right away
>     (but I get loads of jack debug output about the client being
>     late), but rather when I ctrl-c out of jalv. When I do have jackd
>     running (jackdmp btw) then it crashes right away..
>
>
>
>
>     Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>     [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8212)]
>     rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter (this=this at entry=0xbecb70,
>     i=i at entry=0, from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=64) at src/voice.cpp:310
>     310             float* source = buffers[filterData.source];
>     (gdb) thread apply all bt
>
>     Thread 8 (Thread 0x7fffc62e1700 (LWP 8213)):
>     #0 pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2
>     <mailto:pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2> () at
>     ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:238
>     #1  0x00007ffff632b935 in g_cond_wait_until () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #2  0x00007ffff62c1b81 in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #3  0x00007ffff63105fa in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffc62e1700) at
>     pthread_create.c:311
>     #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
>     Thread 7 (Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8212)):
>     #0  rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter (this=this at entry=0xbecb70,
>     i=i at entry=0, from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=64) at src/voice.cpp:310
>     #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render
>     (this=this at entry=0xbecb70, from=0, to=to at entry=64,
>     off=off at entry=0) at src/voice.cpp:366
>     #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render
>     (this=0xbecb70, from=from at entry=0, to=to at entry=2048) at
>     src/voice.cpp:337
>     #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in run (sample_count=2048, this=0xbeb650)
>     at /usr/local/include/lvtk-1/lvtk/synth.hpp:349
>     #4  lvtk::Plugin<rogue::rogueSynth, lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end,
>     lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>     lvtk::end>::_run (instance=0xbeb650,
>         sample_count=2048) at
>     /usr/local/include/lvtk-1/lvtk/plugin.hpp:357
>     #5  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>     #6  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>     #7  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #8  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #9  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #10 0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #11 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>     pthread_create.c:311
>     #12 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
>     Thread 6 (Thread 0x7ffff7eb6700 (LWP 8211)):
>     #0  0x00007ffff7bcbcbd in read () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
>     #1  0x00007ffff6e5ee5a in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #2  0x00007ffff6e62423 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #3  0x00007ffff6e6213c in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #4  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7ffff7eb6700) at
>     pthread_create.c:311
>     #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
>     Thread 5 (Thread 0x7ffff7f37700 (LWP 8210)):
>     #0 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2
>     <mailto:pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2> () at
>     ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:185
>     #1  0x00007ffff6e5df08 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #2  0x00007ffff6e5a09f in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #3  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
>     #4  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7ffff7f37700) at
>     pthread_create.c:311
>     #5  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
>     Thread 3 (Thread 0x7fffecf25700 (LWP 8208)):
>     #0  0x00007ffff5fc83cd in poll () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
>     #1  0x00007ffff62ec1dc in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #2  0x00007ffff62ec6ba in g_main_loop_run () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #3  0x00007ffff3dd94f6 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
>     #4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffecf25700) at
>     pthread_create.c:311
>     #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
>     Thread 2 (Thread 0x7fffed726700 (LWP 8207)):
>     #0  0x00007ffff5fc83cd in poll () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
>     #1  0x00007ffff62ec1dc in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #2  0x00007ffff62ec304 in g_main_context_iteration () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #3  0x00007fffed94aa1d in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gio/modules/libdconfsettings.so
>     #4  0x00007ffff630feb5 in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #5  0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffed726700) at
>     pthread_create.c:311
>     #6  0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at
>     ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:113
>
>     Thread 1 (Thread 0x7ffff7fb1980 (LWP 8203)):
>     #0  0x00007ffff62dace3 in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #1  0x00007ffff62db1b7 in ?? () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #2  0x00007ffff62fad1f in g_quark_from_string () from
>     /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
>     #3  0x00007ffff65c3c50 in g_signal_newv () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
>     #4  0x00007ffff65c44ed in g_signal_new_valist () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
>     #5  0x00007ffff65c4702 in g_signal_new () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
>     #6  0x00007ffff6932b08 in ?? () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
>     #7  0x00007ffff65cd956 in g_type_class_ref () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
>     #8  0x00007ffff65b635d in g_object_new_valist () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
>     #9  0x00007ffff65b6804 in g_object_new () from
>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
>     #10 0x000000000040d775 in ?? ()
>     #11 0x0000000000409968 in ?? ()
>     #12 0x00007ffff5efcea5 in __libc_start_main (main=0x408837,
>     argc=2, ubp_av=0x7fffffffdde8, init=<optimized out>,
>     fini=<optimized out>, rtld_fini=<optimized out>,
>     ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
>         stack_end=0x7fffffffddd8) at libc-start.c:260
>     #13 0x0000000000405ba9 in ?? ()
>     (gdb)
>
>
>     Flo
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From peder at musikhuset.org  Mon Aug 12 20:14:14 2013
From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:14:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
In-Reply-To: <CAPNMgw6kJGaugwp_wUsbPfQ8tmRiArOMvR+HrZwPqCyJ3nxg-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting Brett McCoy <idragosani at gmail.com>:

> Linux video NLEs like kdenlive and openshot all support HD video. Not sure
> if they can do 5.1 audio, though, as I think that requires a proprietary
> codec (AC3?)

I guess the workaround would be something like this :
* Edit the video in an NLE of ones choice
* Render out a HD version and then a low-res version for importing  
into Ardour3
* Edit and sync the sound in Ardour3 and render it out into 6 mono files
* Run a program like multimux  
(http://www.boutell.com/lsm/lsmbyid.cgi/002177) with the -f option to  
mux the mono files into a multichannel ac3 using ffmpeg (or just mux  
them to a wav and use the free-for-personal-and-noncommercial Nero  
encoder to convert to ac3).
* Mux the HD version and the ac3 file using mkvmerge

- Peder

From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug 12 20:49:49 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:49:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Using a USB pedalboard to trigger keystrokes
In-Reply-To: <CALVwFW8c1qSRVG9FOwCod-VhUVOOTOMkpHhj7cjJfProBdTt1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308082045190.25821@flower.world.net>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308122248100.27215@flower.world.net>

Hello Egor!
   Thanks for piping up in this discussion, but I think, that I've found my 
tool of choice, when the time comes. These pcsensors with the footswitch tool 
from Github, that was mentioned earlier. I downloaded it and built it, also 
had a look at the software site and it's great! Three pedals only, but that's 
sufficient, as far as I can see. These footswitches also don't look too 
expensive.
   Thanks again and warm regards
          Julien

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From len at ovenwerks.net  Mon Aug 12 23:45:34 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:45:34 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEENSjABcO8aVXRUjDrDXVWM-+5XUxDJT0zrC5+DniEsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d464ff615fe00168823ee24f41cae07e.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Mon, August 12, 2013 8:05 am, Rusty Perez wrote:

> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>
> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with
> them?

I use an ART dual pre/USB tube box. Two channels. I have not noticed any
hum on mine.... but. Mine does not have a grounded plug. It has a wallwart
:P that puts out ac. Also, I generally use it with S/PDIF out, which may
also affect things. I have yet to try audio in and out.

> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?

I don't know enough to comment... but I will anyway. (someone will correct
any really bad ideas I am sure... and I might learn something) I would
expect more noise rather than hum with tube quality, and hum from other
poor choices.

> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.

This is not clear to me. It could mean that if you record digital silence
(all zeros) you hear hum... which is not your pre. If it is you pre, just
unplugging it should remove the hum. (not just reduce it)



-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From abhayadevs at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 01:47:00 2013
From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:17:00 +0530
Subject: [LAU] How to finalize and make movie DVD
In-Reply-To: <20130812221414.eqga1ry5cgw00wk0@www.musikhuset.org>
References: <CAMF23z3GYb91Uj=3kP7+SKRSw=r2FCtTg7V=v1Jz90FE3rcPKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130812132436.j44xndik868kwgw4@www.musikhuset.org>
 <CAMF23z0y2GzO6bQXo5wY4JriU=2EBimPfvOk1UWR_JxdxyD9Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPNMgw5sqVvoCmjS7+D_2yYQ+m-b1gvS4gq1iZ+psDt79V+Pgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMF23z19OBfjHpZLEBJuFtU4uHbPQ4nG6YKC9vO3s0Vc0dUNyg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMF23z0LLddRNY9OrH4nF0kEpr9ayF=HUVJnX=8Ly3Q6xTSbPw@mail.gmail.com>

yes.. something like this is my plan.. i could use ac3jack for this...
anyway i will post back the results soon... wish me luck ;)

Regards,
Abhayadev S


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Peder Hedlund <peder at musikhuset.org> wrote:

> Quoting Brett McCoy <idragosani at gmail.com>:
>
>  Linux video NLEs like kdenlive and openshot all support HD video. Not sure
>> if they can do 5.1 audio, though, as I think that requires a proprietary
>> codec (AC3?)
>>
>
> I guess the workaround would be something like this :
> * Edit the video in an NLE of ones choice
> * Render out a HD version and then a low-res version for importing into
> Ardour3
> * Edit and sync the sound in Ardour3 and render it out into 6 mono files
> * Run a program like multimux (http://www.boutell.com/lsm/**
> lsmbyid.cgi/002177 <http://www.boutell.com/lsm/lsmbyid.cgi/002177>) with
> the -f option to mux the mono files into a multichannel ac3 using ffmpeg
> (or just mux them to a wav and use the free-for-personal-and-**noncommercial
> Nero encoder to convert to ac3).
> * Mux the HD version and the ac3 file using mkvmerge
>
>
> - Peder
> ______________________________**_________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
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From mis at artengine.ca  Tue Aug 13 03:03:23 2013
From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:03:23 -0400
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CABVh59noBsrHp6oW5AoGE1aZWCntFw919w5HpZhMrSOEvt9uNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:51 PM, profiles <piedraarena at lavabit.com> wrote:

> http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-44VSL/media



Sorry to be chiming in late on this one but for what it's worth, the 44VSL
does not work on Linux. I tried. However, Presonus Audiobox USB works but
it's only 2 I/O

Micha?
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 05:57:01 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:57:01 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Some Linux AUdio memes!
Message-ID: <CADqqn49vZFV2uakFDf5P=2LS55om-iEJCs5fkvn27+QribR4Fg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/137637336180375.png
http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/1376373379547121.png




-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Aug 13 08:04:07 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:04:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] EMU 1212 - internal routing for ADAT in
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308131001280.25014@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   I've just got an analog to ADAT converter, but I'm having difficulties. Now 
I wish to eliminate routing problems on the card. I can only do it in 
alsamixer. So if someone has a similar card with an ADAT-input, I would very 
much appreciate a description of your alsamixer output for the ADAT items, as 
well as the DSP items for output. I'm not sure, how much those interact.
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Aug 13 08:07:13 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:07:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbM+6fijXYAoxXs9jgi66UZL17=F1Z=JqAWUk5=Nii+M2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>
 <CAKudYbNO8J9b+6bZi0LaqjYxgHb2ua2xWvJkZex2jFt0xwWb+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1374266249.2343.7.camel@archlinux>
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Message-ID: <1376381233.1038.8.camel@archlinux>

https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues/2#issuecomment-21550742 :
> Closing, as bug is related to SUIL version: updating LV2 and SUIL
> fixes.

Hi Harry,

what version of suil is needed for the current version of fabla?

Fabla version from git 8f6fd24 and suil 0.6.14-1 still won't work
together.

$ grep upgraded\ suil /var/log/pacman.log
[2013-08-12 09:49] [PACMAN] upgraded suil (0.6.12-1 -> 0.6.14-1)
$ git pull
Already up-to-date.
$ git log --pretty=format:"%h" | head -1
8f6fd24
$ make clean
rm -f uiTest
rm -f fabla.lv2/fabla.so
rm -f fabla.lv2/fabla_ui.so
$ make
[snip]
$ make install
cp dsp/fabla.ttl fabla.lv2/
cp -r fabla.lv2 ~/.lv2/

Regards,
Ralf


From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 08:30:56 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:30:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Some Linux AUdio memes!
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn49vZFV2uakFDf5P=2LS55om-iEJCs5fkvn27+QribR4Fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49vZFV2uakFDf5P=2LS55om-iEJCs5fkvn27+QribR4Fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL=sEa10B3R1WUsQOgpZmubxc-AWYYmvz1fNZuQOzJcg0ZaGsw@mail.gmail.com>

Lol, awesome! Do more :D


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/137637336180375.png
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/1376373379547121.png
>
>
>
>
> --
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 12:14:22 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:14:22 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
In-Reply-To: <CAKBe7gAbG71+GoADXcWj1VKaskVjFJj3h2EXcO6d88zJ+S2vTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKBe7gBJNc53izxY8dCTbvFnU6V7B4=5civZYMEMGgjw0N=gkQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Timo!

I installed a newer GCC and got rogue to compile and install OK under
KXStudio but I cannot get any sound out of it from qtractor 0.5.10 or A3.3.

I have tried turning up the faders for all the different osc, filters,
volume controls etc but.. nothing!

I presume there are no presets yet, right?


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Timo Westk?mper
<timo.westkamper at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I upgrading to gcc 4.7 an option for you? This tutorial seems quite safe
> http://charette.no-ip.com:81/programming/2011-12-24_GCCv47/
>
> Time is a very limited resource in open source projects, so I'd like to
> use c++ with a feature set that I consider productive ;)
>
> Br,
> Timo
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> KXStudio (Ubuntu 12.04) amd64
>>
>> Thanks Timo!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
>> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dan.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting the list. I created a ticket for the issue
>>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/59
>>>
>>> I realize that field initializers is a very new feature that is not
>>> supported in g++ 4.6. But using them feels quite intuitive.
>>>
>>> What distro and version are you using?
>>>
>>> Br,
>>> Timo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Timo!
>>>>
>>>> Here are g++ 4.6's many complaints when I change -std=c++11 to
>>>> -std=c++0x, which may not be the best idea but hopefully it'll help you get
>>>> rogue working on older distros:
>>>>
>>>> http://tny.cz/ebeaf6a7
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
>>>> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt <
>>>>> mista.tapas at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft
>>>>>>>>>> synth
>>>>>>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/**rogue<https://github.com/timowest/rogue>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>>>>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>>>>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>>>>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an
>>>>>>>>> mcpp-file?
>>>>>>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You can
>>>>>>>> do:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> make gui
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it built..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But segfaults:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a bt:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>>>>>> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>>>>>> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
>>>>>> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>> (gdb) bt
>>>>>> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int,
>>>>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>>>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::**rogueSynth,
>>>>>> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>>>>>> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
>>>>>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>>>>>> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>>>>>> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>>>>>> pthread_create.c:311
>>>>>> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/**
>>>>>> x86_64/clone.S:113
>>>>>> (gdb) quit
>>>>>> A debugging session is active.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Br,
>>>>> Timo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flo
>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>>>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 12:50:56 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:50:56 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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Hi Dan.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Timo!
>
> I installed a newer GCC and got rogue to compile and install OK under
> KXStudio but I cannot get any sound out of it from qtractor 0.5.10 or A3.3.
>

I haven't tested with qtractor and ardour, but will do so soon.

>
> I have tried turning up the faders for all the different osc, filters,
> volume controls etc but.. nothing!
>

Turning the following up should give you a sound: osc1 level, mixer 1 vol
a, output a vol


>
> I presume there are no presets yet, right?
>

Not yet, but I will provide some test presets soon.

Br,
Timo


>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I upgrading to gcc 4.7 an option for you? This tutorial seems quite safe
>> http://charette.no-ip.com:81/programming/2011-12-24_GCCv47/
>>
>> Time is a very limited resource in open source projects, so I'd like to
>> use c++ with a feature set that I consider productive ;)
>>
>> Br,
>> Timo
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> KXStudio (Ubuntu 12.04) amd64
>>>
>>> Thanks Timo!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
>>> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dan.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting the list. I created a ticket for the issue
>>>> https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/59
>>>>
>>>> I realize that field initializers is a very new feature that is not
>>>> supported in g++ 4.6. But using them feels quite intuitive.
>>>>
>>>> What distro and version are you using?
>>>>
>>>> Br,
>>>> Timo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Timo!
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are g++ 4.6's many complaints when I change -std=c++11 to
>>>>> -std=c++0x, which may not be the best idea but hopefully it'll help you get
>>>>> rogue working on older distros:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tny.cz/ebeaf6a7
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
>>>>> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt <
>>>>>> mista.tapas at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:24, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 11:19, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12.08.2013 10:53, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.2013 08:51, schrieb Timo Westk?mper:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a soft
>>>>>>>>>>> synth
>>>>>>>>>>> called rogue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Synths are always most welcome so thanks a lot! :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  https://github.com/timowest/**rogue<https://github.com/timowest/rogue>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I fail to build it:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> src/gui/rogue-gui.cpp:905:30: Schwerwiegender Fehler:
>>>>>>>>>> gui/rogue-gui.mcpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>>>>>>>>>> Kompilierung beendet.
>>>>>>>>>> make: *** [rogue-gui.so] Fehler 1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do I need any special build-tool in order to create such an
>>>>>>>>>> mcpp-file?
>>>>>>>>>> mcpp ist installed (Ubuntu 13.04)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Makefile doesn't have the dependencies setup correctly. You
>>>>>>>>> can do:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> make gui
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And it built..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But segfaults:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  make: *** [run] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a bt:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
>>>>>>> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec10c700 (LWP 8577)]
>>>>>>> 0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int, unsigned
>>>>>>> int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>>> (gdb) bt
>>>>>>> #0  0x00007fffc2fc3e72 in rogue::rogueVoice::runFilter(**int,
>>>>>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>>> #1  0x00007fffc2fc4238 in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>>>>> unsigned int, unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**
>>>>>>> lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>>> #2  0x00007fffc2fc467e in rogue::rogueVoice::render(**unsigned int,
>>>>>>> unsigned int) () from /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>>> #3  0x00007fffc2fc1402 in lvtk::Plugin<rogue::**rogueSynth,
>>>>>>> lvtk::URID<true>, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end,
>>>>>>> lvtk::end, lvtk::end, lvtk::end>::_run(void*, unsigned int) () from
>>>>>>> /usr/local/lib/lv2/lv2-rogue.**lv2/rogue.so
>>>>>>> #4  0x0000000000405d02 in ?? ()
>>>>>>> #5  0x0000000000407968 in ?? ()
>>>>>>> #6  0x00007ffff6e3f74c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>>> #7  0x00007ffff6e3f654 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>>> #8  0x00007ffff6e3d40f in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>>> #9  0x00007ffff6e5ca40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/**
>>>>>>> libjack.so.0
>>>>>>> #10 0x00007ffff7bc4f8e in start_thread (arg=0x7fffec10c700) at
>>>>>>> pthread_create.c:311
>>>>>>> #11 0x00007ffff5fd4e1d in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/**
>>>>>>> x86_64/clone.S:113
>>>>>>> (gdb) quit
>>>>>>> A debugging session is active.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Inferior 1 [process 8568] will be killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quit anyway? (y or n) y
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I added some debugging flags to git master. Could you try again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Br,
>>>>>> Timo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Flo
>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>>>>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>>>>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 13:02:46 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:02:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OT: From the archives, on the Hammond
In-Reply-To: <20130811071352.GC32754@q400a.mobile.restivo.org>
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2013/8/11 Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org>:
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 08:31:36AM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
>> Morning Ken!
>>   Hm, I like those. I suspected something different from "Just the
>> Tip", judging by the advertisement. :-) Still, a nice slow piece.
>> Was that a real Hammond or already Beatrix. I know, you said no
>> Linux, but you might have referred to the recording there.
>
> That is the Boom Boom Room's beat-up 1950's-era Hammond all the way.
>
>>   Scuffin' up the Walls, is a different matter entirely. It has an
>> infectious groove. I love those funk influenced tracks. Not sure, if
>> this can be counted as pure funk. The Hammond here is a fantastic
>> addition. Interesting choice to have it mainly as the chord
>> instrument and the guitar almost entirely for the higher register,
>> taking care of the melody and other screaming and whining duties.
>> This song gets me!
>>   Thanks for sharing those, may the be Linux related or not, they
>> are good music!
>
> I'm glad you like! I'm sad that the band broke up before getting a really good clean recording (and performance!) of those songs.
>
> I realized that was the show where I screwed up the vocals on the chorus. Thom had in a rehearsal a day or two before changed the lyric to "got my soul in stone", but I was still singing it as "got my soul in chains" which was the first draft. You can hear him singing "STONE" loudly over me, as if to remind me of the new lyric... guess I coudn't hear him, sorry Thom.
>
> -ken
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Both tunes sound really great, you can't stop swinging to the rhythm.
I would love to see you live at least one night (it's a long way to
S.F and now I suppose there'll be no more).

The recordings, I guess ambient, were they recorded with some Zoom
recorder or alike and then some EQ?

-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From allcoms at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 14:01:10 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:01:10 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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>
> Turning the following up should give you a sound: osc1 level, mixer 1 vol
> a, output a vol
>

Tried that and still the same result ie no real sound to speak of.

I do get a (unwanted) popping noise when I adjust the dials and a slight
(almost inaudible) thud noise whenever I send a note but I get the same
(lack of) sound whatever waveform or settings I choose.
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From egor.sanin at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 15:03:14 2013
From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:03:14 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Some Linux AUdio memes!
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How about using the famous cartoon by Caran D'Ache
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caran_d'Ache)

and replacing "Dreyfus Affair" with "Session Management"

On 8/13/13, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lol, awesome! Do more :D
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Louigi Verona
> <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/137637336180375.png
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/1376373379547121.png
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Louigi Verona
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
>

From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 15:08:38 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:08:38 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
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Hi folks, Thanks for your thoughts!
I'm sure you all see me for the newby I am. And if not, these
questions will expose me! :-)

First of all though, the hum I am hearing is very faint and is covered
up when music is played. I don't want you to imagine that it's loud at
all.

You've all given me some good info.

Fons, you're right. I'm going from the xlr out on the tube pack to one
of the xlr ins on the delta 1010lt. I kindof figured that was
understood since I mentioned the xlr connections, but one cannot
assume. Anyway, I'll look at the jumper situation. I really don't want
to take my machine apart though. :-)
Do I understand correctly that set on the mic setting, the card gives
the xlr ins a 60 db boost?

Also, when I get really close to my ART tube pac unit, I hear a quiet
humming from the box itself. Is this normal for a piece of equipment
with tubes in it? :-) Could this suggest a problem, and is this hum
introducing itself in to my signal at low levels.

Thanks for mentioning the usb pre Len. I don't see it mentioned when
ever anyone talks about usb interface options on linux.


Thanks!
Rusty


On 8/12/13, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
>
> On Mon, August 12, 2013 8:05 am, Rusty Perez wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I'm hearing a low level hum, sortof like a grounding hum.
>>
>> Does anyone else use the ART line of pres? Has anyone had trouble with
>> them?
>
> I use an ART dual pre/USB tube box. Two channels. I have not noticed any
> hum on mine.... but. Mine does not have a grounded plug. It has a wallwart
> :P that puts out ac. Also, I generally use it with S/PDIF out, which may
> also affect things. I have yet to try audio in and out.
>
>> The unit uses 2 tubes and I'm sure they aren't high quality tubes.
>> Could a lower quality tube cause a low level ground hum?
>
> I don't know enough to comment... but I will anyway. (someone will correct
> any really bad ideas I am sure... and I might learn something) I would
> expect more noise rather than hum with tube quality, and hum from other
> poor choices.
>
>> The unit has a grounded plug, and I can't seem to get rid of the hum
>> by unplugging other components, but when I mute the unit through my
>> sound card, the hum is decreased.  The hum is audible in silences on
>> my tracks, so I know it's not just my playback system.
>
> This is not clear to me. It could mean that if you record digital silence
> (all zeros) you hear hum... which is not your pre. If it is you pre, just
> unplugging it should remove the hum. (not just reduce it)
>
>
>
> --
> Len Ovens
> www.OvenWerks.net
>
>

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Aug 13 15:37:24 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:37:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFQ8M+r2tutJD4URtUQWqJYm4zEd1CQah=vrF=j2YQxPg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 08:08 -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
> Also, when I get really close to my ART tube pac unit, I hear a quiet
> humming from the box itself.

This likely is the normal sound of a mains transformer, especially when
the plates of the mains transformer aren't sealed anymore, IOW when
there's air between them, the transformer becomes loud. This hum
shouldn't be audible by the audio signal.

One of the loudest transformers I know is used for my Matrix-1000 and
it's one of the devices that IMO do cause completely no audible noise
and/or hum. A loud transformer shouldn't have impact to the audio
signal.



From fons at linuxaudio.org  Tue Aug 13 15:53:38 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:53:38 +0000
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFQ8M+r2tutJD4URtUQWqJYm4zEd1CQah=vrF=j2YQxPg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 08:08:38AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:

> Fons, you're right. I'm going from the xlr out on the tube pack to one
> of the xlr ins on the delta 1010lt. I kindof figured that was
> understood since I mentioned the xlr connections, but one cannot
> assume. Anyway, I'll look at the jumper situation. I really don't want
> to take my machine apart though. :-)
> Do I understand correctly that set on the mic setting, the card gives
> the xlr ins a 60 db boost?

According to the manual, +30 dB. Which is really too much if the
signal is coming from a preamp which can itself provide +60 dB. 
What happens is that the preamp produces a very low level hum,
and you boost that +30 dB. If you set the 1010lt to lower gain
you can send a stronger signal from the preamp, and the relative
level of the hum will be lower.

Unless the hum is generated at the input of the preamp. You can
easily check this (see if the hum depends on the gain setting).

> Also, when I get really close to my ART tube pac unit, I hear a quiet
> humming from the box itself. Is this normal for a piece of equipment
> with tubes in it? :-) Could this suggest a problem, and is this hum
> introducing itself in to my signal at low levels.

That is normal, what you hear is probably the transformer
of the power supply.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From len at ovenwerks.net  Tue Aug 13 15:56:36 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:56:36 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFQ8M+r2tutJD4URtUQWqJYm4zEd1CQah=vrF=j2YQxPg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <432ca2613b4de64baa68d646b0f4d8e9.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Tue, August 13, 2013 8:08 am, Rusty Perez wrote:

> Fons, you're right. I'm going from the xlr out on the tube pack to one
> of the xlr ins on the delta 1010lt. I kindof figured that was
> understood since I mentioned the xlr connections, but one cannot
> assume. Anyway, I'll look at the jumper situation. I really don't want
> to take my machine apart though. :-)
> Do I understand correctly that set on the mic setting, the card gives
> the xlr ins a 60 db boost?

That would make sense. The more costly delta 1010, comes with a breakout
box where all the inputs are balanced line level inputs. My delta 66
allows setting them to -10 or +8 (I think) through SW. The LT has
unbalanced and mic. level. That is the use it is made for. I do not even
know what "line level" for the LT is, but from the connector type I would
think -10. Anyway, if the unit I am looking at on the ART web site is the
one you have, there is also an unbalanced output. I would first try
connecting that to one of the unbalanced inputs of your 1010lt. unbalanced
is not all so bad as you might think so long as your cable is short and
the environment is not too noisy. Remember that a lot of radio stations
sit right under their transmitter tower where noise is a lot harder to
deal with. Clean connecting surfaces do make a difference.

> Also, when I get really close to my ART tube pac unit, I hear a quiet
> humming from the box itself. Is this normal for a piece of equipment
> with tubes in it? :-) Could this suggest a problem, and is this hum
> introducing itself in to my signal at low levels.

Maybe maybe not, it could be a transformer. The power filtering after that
could still be ok. The level difference would still be the first thing to
correct. Using a mic input for line levels is never a good idea. You are
adding an extra gain stage you just don't need with all problems that
gives. The hum may actually be coming from the 1010 in that case.

> Thanks for mentioning the usb pre Len. I don't see it mentioned when
> ever anyone talks about usb interface options on linux.

I personally think the ART USBDualTubePre (yes they push all the words
together like that) is a great deal. It is USB 1.1 which means 16 bit
audio, but it also means it just works. It does mean being more careful
with input level to get the best out of it, but the tube
compression/limiting is quite helpful for that if used gently. I found it
has less noise than the cheaper ART "USB Dual Pre Project Series" and a
little more gain. But the USB Dual Pre Project Series is quite good too.
The USBDualTubePre does have a S/Pdif output at 24bit which I use with my
delta 66. It gives me a) two more mic preamps b) a different sound from
the mic preamps in my Mackie mixer. The downside is that it becomes the
master clock because it has no s/pdif or clock in. That and it's
16bit-ness kind of removes it from the "pro" side of things... but then
the delta series interface is mostly considered high end amateur anyway.
(even though almost any 16 bit sound card out preforms any of yester-years
pro tape machines.)

You can make good music with only a sound blaster as input... though the
SB Live! has sync problems. The Ensonq PCI is quite good though. Probably,
the HDA internal audio line input with a good external mic pre would do
well too.... though I have found internal audio IFs tend to have much
better output quality than input. Input is kind of hit and miss.

Use your ears. Start making music now with what you have. Everything you
learn now will help you when you upgrade. (Len wants yet another mic :)


-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From tim at quitte.de  Tue Aug 13 16:22:43 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:22:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.10
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308131756350.32585@spring>

CAPS 0.9.10
===========

http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html

The CAPS Audio Plugin Suite, a LADSPA library comprising classic sound
effects, various signal generators and guitar tone processing, sees
another update containing some bug fixes, minor sound improvements in
various places and a new plugin, "Spice", which, strangely, appears
not to be an exciter.

http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Spice

In addition, the package documentation has been revised and some
errors corrected.

http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Download

Enjoy!

From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 19:50:46 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:50:46 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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Hi.

I tried now QTractor and it worked fine, though the UI is not as responsive
as in jalv. I made some changes to the UI code to have the stylesheet
properly applied https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/60

I am not yet very familiar with Ardour, but will try to test with it as
well in the next days.

This blog post shows how the UI should look like
http://westkamper.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/rogue-stablizing/

Br,
Timo

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>> Turning the following up should give you a sound: osc1 level, mixer 1 vol
>> a, output a vol
>>
>
> Tried that and still the same result ie no real sound to speak of.
>
> I do get a (unwanted) popping noise when I adjust the dials and a slight
> (almost inaudible) thud noise whenever I send a note but I get the same
> (lack of) sound whatever waveform or settings I choose.
>
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From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 19:52:23 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:23 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <432ca2613b4de64baa68d646b0f4d8e9.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
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Thanks Len and all,
Another totally basic question.
First, I'll try going in to one of the "line" inputs on the card.

But, am I correct, should the card mixer input level then be set to 0
DB to illiminate the work of another amplifier, and take advantage of
the work done by the tube pac?

Thanks!
Rusty


On 8/13/13, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, August 13, 2013 8:08 am, Rusty Perez wrote:
>
>> Fons, you're right. I'm going from the xlr out on the tube pack to one
>> of the xlr ins on the delta 1010lt. I kindof figured that was
>> understood since I mentioned the xlr connections, but one cannot
>> assume. Anyway, I'll look at the jumper situation. I really don't want
>> to take my machine apart though. :-)
>> Do I understand correctly that set on the mic setting, the card gives
>> the xlr ins a 60 db boost?
>
> That would make sense. The more costly delta 1010, comes with a breakout
> box where all the inputs are balanced line level inputs. My delta 66
> allows setting them to -10 or +8 (I think) through SW. The LT has
> unbalanced and mic. level. That is the use it is made for. I do not even
> know what "line level" for the LT is, but from the connector type I would
> think -10. Anyway, if the unit I am looking at on the ART web site is the
> one you have, there is also an unbalanced output. I would first try
> connecting that to one of the unbalanced inputs of your 1010lt. unbalanced
> is not all so bad as you might think so long as your cable is short and
> the environment is not too noisy. Remember that a lot of radio stations
> sit right under their transmitter tower where noise is a lot harder to
> deal with. Clean connecting surfaces do make a difference.
>
>> Also, when I get really close to my ART tube pac unit, I hear a quiet
>> humming from the box itself. Is this normal for a piece of equipment
>> with tubes in it? :-) Could this suggest a problem, and is this hum
>> introducing itself in to my signal at low levels.
>
> Maybe maybe not, it could be a transformer. The power filtering after that
> could still be ok. The level difference would still be the first thing to
> correct. Using a mic input for line levels is never a good idea. You are
> adding an extra gain stage you just don't need with all problems that
> gives. The hum may actually be coming from the 1010 in that case.
>
>> Thanks for mentioning the usb pre Len. I don't see it mentioned when
>> ever anyone talks about usb interface options on linux.
>
> I personally think the ART USBDualTubePre (yes they push all the words
> together like that) is a great deal. It is USB 1.1 which means 16 bit
> audio, but it also means it just works. It does mean being more careful
> with input level to get the best out of it, but the tube
> compression/limiting is quite helpful for that if used gently. I found it
> has less noise than the cheaper ART "USB Dual Pre Project Series" and a
> little more gain. But the USB Dual Pre Project Series is quite good too.
> The USBDualTubePre does have a S/Pdif output at 24bit which I use with my
> delta 66. It gives me a) two more mic preamps b) a different sound from
> the mic preamps in my Mackie mixer. The downside is that it becomes the
> master clock because it has no s/pdif or clock in. That and it's
> 16bit-ness kind of removes it from the "pro" side of things... but then
> the delta series interface is mostly considered high end amateur anyway.
> (even though almost any 16 bit sound card out preforms any of yester-years
> pro tape machines.)
>
> You can make good music with only a sound blaster as input... though the
> SB Live! has sync problems. The Ensonq PCI is quite good though. Probably,
> the HDA internal audio line input with a good external mic pre would do
> well too.... though I have found internal audio IFs tend to have much
> better output quality than input. Input is kind of hit and miss.
>
> Use your ears. Start making music now with what you have. Everything you
> learn now will help you when you upgrade. (Len wants yet another mic :)
>
>
> --
> Len Ovens
> www.OvenWerks.net
>
>

From martin.peach at sympatico.ca  Tue Aug 13 20:00:44 2013
From: martin.peach at sympatico.ca (Martin Peach)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:00:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
In-Reply-To: <1376408244.27665.20.camel@archlinux>
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On 2013-08-13 11:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 08:08 -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
>> Also, when I get really close to my ART tube pac unit, I hear a quiet
>> humming from the box itself.
>
> This likely is the normal sound of a mains transformer, especially when
> the plates of the mains transformer aren't sealed anymore, IOW when
> there's air between them, the transformer becomes loud. This hum
> shouldn't be audible by the audio signal.
>
> One of the loudest transformers I know is used for my Matrix-1000 and
> it's one of the devices that IMO do cause completely no audible noise
> and/or hum. A loud transformer shouldn't have impact to the audio
> signal.

If the motion of the transformer plates is vibrating the elements inside 
the tube, the tube could act like a microphone. In the OP's case there 
is a lot of gain, so it might be the cause.

Martin


From allcoms at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 20:09:42 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:09:42 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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Oh dear! :/

Did you get Rogue to produce sound Flo / any other early testers?

I could try Jalv or Carla but I really want to use it under qtractor so my
session mgmt rash doesn't return! ;)

I wonder whats going wrong here for me? Noizemaker LV2 is working just fine.

I'll try it again in a few weeks and see if I have more luck!


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Timo Westk?mper
<timo.westkamper at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I tried now QTractor and it worked fine, though the UI is not as
> responsive as in jalv. I made some changes to the UI code to have the
> stylesheet properly applied https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/60
>
> I am not yet very familiar with Ardour, but will try to test with it as
> well in the next days.
>
> This blog post shows how the UI should look like
> http://westkamper.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/rogue-stablizing/
>
> Br,
> Timo
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> Turning the following up should give you a sound: osc1 level, mixer 1
>>> vol a, output a vol
>>>
>>
>> Tried that and still the same result ie no real sound to speak of.
>>
>> I do get a (unwanted) popping noise when I adjust the dials and a slight
>> (almost inaudible) thud noise whenever I send a note but I get the same
>> (lack of) sound whatever waveform or settings I choose.
>>
>
>
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Aug 13 20:50:45 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:50:45 +0200
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
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On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 12:52 -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
> But, am I correct, should the card mixer input level then be set to 0
> DB to illiminate the work of another amplifier, and take advantage of
> the work done by the tube pac?

Lower the level of the card's inputs and increase the level of the tube
pre amp outputs (by it's inputs ;) and listen, perhaps it's audible when
the settings don't fit 101% perfect to the optimal operating points of
the card's pre amp and of the tube pre amp. If you can't hear a
difference, than it doesn't matter.

This is the idea:
On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 15:53 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> According to the manual, +30 dB. Which is really too much if the
> signal is coming from a preamp which can itself provide +60 dB. 
> What happens is that the preamp produces a very low level hum,
> and you boost that +30 dB. If you set the 1010lt to lower gain
> you can send a stronger signal from the preamp, and the relative
> level of the hum will be lower.

IOW, if you've good luck increasing the level of the tube pre amp will
increase the signal and not, resp. less the hum. Reduce the level of the
card's pre amps as needed.

On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 16:00 -0400, Martin Peach wrote:
> If the motion of the transformer plates is vibrating the elements
> inside the tube, the tube could act like a microphone. In the OP's
> case there is a lot of gain, so it might be the cause.

Unlikely, even a spring reverb shouldn't vibrate caused by vibrations of
a loud, but small transformer. Even a bad transformer still isn't a
truck-mounted seismic vibrator, even not a massage table.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Aug 13 20:57:05 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:57:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
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> On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 16:00 -0400, Martin Peach wrote:
> > If the motion of the transformer plates is vibrating the elements
> > inside the tube, the tube could act like a microphone. In the OP's
> > case there is a lot of gain, so it might be the cause.
> 
> Unlikely, even a spring reverb shouldn't vibrate caused by vibrations of
> a loud, but small transformer. Even a bad transformer still isn't a
> truck-mounted seismic vibrator, even not a massage table.
                                                     ^^^^^ stick ;)

Btw. I guess the cause is a ground loop and/or what Fons pointed out and
nothing else.



From ken at restivo.org  Tue Aug 13 22:47:29 2013
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:47:29 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OT: From the archives, on the Hammond
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5yHzyZ7ugn_kOLeLf2DrqX7AQc8OseYdt1hmOD79u0Qtw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 03:02:46PM +0200, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
> 2013/8/11 Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org>:
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 08:31:36AM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
> >> Morning Ken!
> >>   Hm, I like those. I suspected something different from "Just the
> >> Tip", judging by the advertisement. :-) Still, a nice slow piece.
> >> Was that a real Hammond or already Beatrix. I know, you said no
> >> Linux, but you might have referred to the recording there.
> >
> > That is the Boom Boom Room's beat-up 1950's-era Hammond all the way.
> >
> >>   Scuffin' up the Walls, is a different matter entirely. It has an
> >> infectious groove. I love those funk influenced tracks. Not sure, if
> >> this can be counted as pure funk. The Hammond here is a fantastic
> >> addition. Interesting choice to have it mainly as the chord
> >> instrument and the guitar almost entirely for the higher register,
> >> taking care of the melody and other screaming and whining duties.
> >> This song gets me!
> >>   Thanks for sharing those, may the be Linux related or not, they
> >> are good music!
> >
> > I'm glad you like! I'm sad that the band broke up before getting a really good clean recording (and performance!) of those songs.
> >
> > I realized that was the show where I screwed up the vocals on the chorus. Thom had in a rehearsal a day or two before changed the lyric to "got my soul in stone", but I was still singing it as "got my soul in chains" which was the first draft. You can hear him singing "STONE" loudly over me, as if to remind me of the new lyric... guess I coudn't hear him, sorry Thom.
> >
> > -ken
> 
> Both tunes sound really great, you can't stop swinging to the rhythm.
> I would love to see you live at least one night (it's a long way to
> S.F and now I suppose there'll be no more).

Thanks. That was a fun band. I can't imagine putting in the work required to do the band routine and get back on stage again though.

> 
> The recordings, I guess ambient, were they recorded with some Zoom
> recorder or alike and then some EQ?
> 

It was just a Zoom H2, didn't EQ it in this case.

I don't have a good studio recording of those songs, sadly.

It'd almost be interesting to try to pull the guys together for a weekend to re-learn, rehearse, and record it, but time and money are both limited, and the bass player lives in Seattle now, so it's unlikely to happen.

-ken

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 08:00:28 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:00:28 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
Message-ID: <CADqqn48A3ybkevgUpFNyBun3phDaeXkWSQT-fYCiRojFPBBDVw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey fellas!

This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the podcasthere:
http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast


Would be interested in what you think!

-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 08:01:47 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:01:47 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Some Linux AUdio memes!
In-Reply-To: <CALVwFW9bX5AWEe4Y5LrQaFEe+-pcyb2s-dU4ZAYGnzwsMsBemA@mail.gmail.com>
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More memes here by Heikki Ketoharju:

http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/topic/50


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Egor Sanin <egor.sanin at gmail.com> wrote:

> How about using the famous cartoon by Caran D'Ache
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caran_d'Ache)
>
> and replacing "Dreyfus Affair" with "Session Management"
>
> On 8/13/13, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Lol, awesome! Do more :D
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Louigi Verona
> > <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/137637336180375.png
> >> http://www.louigiverona.ru/textboard/img/1376373379547121.png
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Louigi Verona
> >> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >>
> >>
> >
>



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From allcoms at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 09:29:23 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:29:23 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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Hi Louigi!

You're definitely on the money but at the same time I'm sure you know the
reasons behind your unhappiness with LA's glacial progress.

No good bug reports = No free software community. Its as vital as people
writing and using the actual code.

All non-trivial software is buggy. Even the simpler stuff has bugs, just
maybe no-ones found them yet. As you are well aware, software developed by
volunteers in their spare is obviously likely to have a few more but
research has shown that over time FLOSS software can become more stable and
secure than non-FLOSS.

Due to this fact, when I go using FLOSS, I expect to and and feel it is my
duty to report bugs much more so than for something I have paid a decent
amount of money for. If I know they are making a living out of their
software, I'm much less forgiving.

So the choice becomes this, you can either forget about FLOSS music making
and just get down to it with known working, maybe non-free software or
attempt FLOSS music making but expect to spend time reporting bugs.

I agree that making music with Linux is still problematic and some way off
competing with the non-free platforms in many respects but Linux is in many
ways a superior OS and you know as well as I do the slow but steady
improvement that is happening here and just how cool it will all likely be
in a few years time when we have even less to moan about. That's why we
persist, isn't it?



On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey fellas!
>
> This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the podcasthere:
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux
> &a=linux_podcast
>
>
> Would be interested in what you think!
>
> --
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 14 09:43:24 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 02:43:24 -0700
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
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OK, I can play wav files using aplay through the USB DAC. It doesn't matter whether I specify card and device on the command line or in an asoundrc file. Getting back to the subject of this thread, the problem is with alsaplayer. Alsaplayer can play wav files through the SoundByLayout (onboard card) of the mac mini directly into an amp, but when I try to play the same wav file with alsaplayer through the USB DAC, I get the originally posted error(s). Doesn't matter if it is flac or wav, the error is the same.

$ alsaplayer file.wav
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
... (detail in original post)
error on set_format SND_PCM_FORMAT_S16
Unavailable hw params:
... (detail in original post)
failed to configure output device...trying OSS
... (above repeated once)
$

I would prefer to use alsaplayer, which supports compression and already has all the handy control (start-stop-pause) functions. I assume this is some configuration or missing library(?) issue with alsaplayer. I appreciate any help.

On Aug 10, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Paul Davis wrote:

> you get static because aplay doesn't handle anything except regular PCM data. compressed file formats like FLAC are recognized as "raw data" and it just guesses a sample rate and data format, which naturally are all wrong. find a PCM file (something.wav) and try that.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Roger Weinheimer <rweinheimer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> So I tried
> 
> miniG4:~$ aplay --device=plughw:1,0 flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac
> Playing raw data 'flac/ripit/B/Beatles/Let_It_Be..._Naked/10_Across_The_Universe.flac' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
> ^CAborted by signal Interrupt...
> miniG4:~$
> 
> and got static. Which is a huge improvement! At least I'm getting sound, now.
> 
> Clemens, I appreciate all your interest and support.
> 
> As I stated originally, the man at the local stereo shop duplicated my environment, albeit on slightly different hardware (macbook G4 vs mini G4). His is working. What differences should I be looking at?
> 
> On Aug 10, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> 
> > Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> >> These are the specs from the DAC packaging, fwiw. Does this help to address format/capabilities questions?
> >
> > It does not really matter what particular format is attempted to be used
> > by the player, and what particular format is actually supported by the
> > device.  Just replace "hw" with "plughw", and the format will be
> > automatically converted, if necessary.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clemens
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 


From djbarney at djbarney.org  Wed Aug 14 13:36:15 2013
From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:36:15 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
In-Reply-To: <CANOoOjtUr9hmjF7J5m+Wh2F4ytKa2B3Y3AmEVCwu0f-mguQbMg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54c3ce95de57a845676a806d11870ec9.squirrel@djbarney.org>

Using FLOSS can have its frustrations. Especially in the electronica realm
its important to be extra strict. A very logical approach to studio set up
is required especially as there are so many options out there (this is why
there are companies like, forget the name, but the company who sells pre
FLOSS loaded laptops to musicians who just want to hit the road running).
This carries through to the Linux/FLOSS ecosystem. A few companies have
made the mistake of misunderstanding this ecosystem and have been
criticised for not passing bug fixes downstream - look up a few talks by
Linux Kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman for the low down on that.

Linux development is also dependent on the approach of the developers. We
all know projects that are difficult to work with or took inadvisable
development directions. Some of this is sometimes in response to users
misunderstanding of FLOSS. Developers can fall for constant user requests
for features based on the user wanting a "free" piece of software as a
replacement for a commercial applications. Of course "free" ain't free. A
lot of people give a lot of their time - all man hours that could be given
a financial value if someone wanted to do the figures !

See this page from the Handbrake project (a video transcoder) for an
example of a response to this kind of problem -
https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/IsIsnt

On Wed, August 14, 2013 10:29 am, Dan MacDonald wrote:
> Hi Louigi!
>
> You're definitely on the money but at the same time I'm sure you know the
> reasons behind your unhappiness with LA's glacial progress.
>
> No good bug reports = No free software community. Its as vital as people
> writing and using the actual code.
>
> All non-trivial software is buggy. Even the simpler stuff has bugs, just
> maybe no-ones found them yet. As you are well aware, software developed by
> volunteers in their spare is obviously likely to have a few more but
> research has shown that over time FLOSS software can become more stable
> and
> secure than non-FLOSS.
>
> Due to this fact, when I go using FLOSS, I expect to and and feel it is my
> duty to report bugs much more so than for something I have paid a decent
> amount of money for. If I know they are making a living out of their
> software, I'm much less forgiving.
>
> So the choice becomes this, you can either forget about FLOSS music making
> and just get down to it with known working, maybe non-free software or
> attempt FLOSS music making but expect to spend time reporting bugs.
>
> I agree that making music with Linux is still problematic and some way off
> competing with the non-free platforms in many respects but Linux is in
> many
> ways a superior OS and you know as well as I do the slow but steady
> improvement that is happening here and just how cool it will all likely be
> in a few years time when we have even less to moan about. That's why we
> persist, isn't it?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Louigi Verona
> <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey fellas!
>>
>> This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the
>> podcasthere:
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux
>> &a=linux_podcast
>>
>>
>> Would be interested in what you think!
>>
>> --
>> Louigi Verona
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


~~~
Home site - http://djbarney.org


From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 14:16:58 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:16:58 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn48A3ybkevgUpFNyBun3phDaeXkWSQT-fYCiRojFPBBDVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn48A3ybkevgUpFNyBun3phDaeXkWSQT-fYCiRojFPBBDVw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>
wrote:
> This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the podcast
here:
>
http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast

You most certainly have a point: thanks for bringing this up for discussion.

I'll introduce a few concepts I feel are relevant to this discussion:
1. Developer time is best spent developing, not doing testing.
2. As a developer I know how that a lot of time goes into testing.
3. If testing is not done, the software suffers.
4. The developer will test their uses for the software while writing it.

My background is writing Luppp, a live performance software. I've had it
crash before getting on stage to do a performance, I now know the
"users-perspective" of a crash: it simply is not acceptable.
That said, I cannot possibly test every hardware control surface, every
effect plugin etc with it. How can the testing be performed to a good
standard?

One idea that comes to mind is a group of "testing-buddies". Basically,
I'll spend 5 minutes doing bug-reports for you, if you do the same for me.
Since each tester will try to accomplish different things (and on a
different system etc), perhaps this could help?
A downside to this idea is that essentially developers test for each other:
in the end of the day developer time is spent testing.

I'm open to suggestions, criticism etc :) -Harry
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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Aug 14 14:21:41 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:21:41 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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and to add to that ... most companies that i know who write software (audio
or otherwise) have *at least* as many "QA" (quality assurance aka testing)
staff as they do developers.  without exception in the audio world, the
ones i know have *more* QA people than they do developers.

if the creation of software doesn't even generate enough to pay the
developers, there is only  one other way the QA work will get done ...


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the podcast
> here:
> >
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>
> You most certainly have a point: thanks for bringing this up for
> discussion.
>
> I'll introduce a few concepts I feel are relevant to this discussion:
> 1. Developer time is best spent developing, not doing testing.
> 2. As a developer I know how that a lot of time goes into testing.
> 3. If testing is not done, the software suffers.
> 4. The developer will test their uses for the software while writing it.
>
> My background is writing Luppp, a live performance software. I've had it
> crash before getting on stage to do a performance, I now know the
> "users-perspective" of a crash: it simply is not acceptable.
> That said, I cannot possibly test every hardware control surface, every
> effect plugin etc with it. How can the testing be performed to a good
> standard?
>
> One idea that comes to mind is a group of "testing-buddies". Basically,
> I'll spend 5 minutes doing bug-reports for you, if you do the same for me.
> Since each tester will try to accomplish different things (and on a
> different system etc), perhaps this could help?
> A downside to this idea is that essentially developers test for each
> other: in the end of the day developer time is spent testing.
>
> I'm open to suggestions, criticism etc :) -Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
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From clemens at ladisch.de  Wed Aug 14 14:57:09 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:57:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
In-Reply-To: <449F4BE6-FFC5-4B4E-9AEA-A98B749D7C6E@yahoo.com>
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Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> the problem is with alsaplayer.

Please show the contents of ~/.alsaplayer/config.


Regards,
Clemens

From allcoms at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 15:55:23 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:55:23 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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Hi Timo!

I'm not sure if it was me missing something or the update(s) you've made
since yesterday but you'll be happy to hear I've got rogue working under
KXStudio/qtractor now!

I've not had a proper play with it just yet but I'll provide feedback when
I have something useful to say.


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Timo Westk?mper
<timo.westkamper at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I tried now QTractor and it worked fine, though the UI is not as
> responsive as in jalv. I made some changes to the UI code to have the
> stylesheet properly applied https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/60
>
> I am not yet very familiar with Ardour, but will try to test with it as
> well in the next days.
>
> This blog post shows how the UI should look like
> http://westkamper.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/rogue-stablizing/
>
> Br,
> Timo
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> Turning the following up should give you a sound: osc1 level, mixer 1
>>> vol a, output a vol
>>>
>>
>> Tried that and still the same result ie no real sound to speak of.
>>
>> I do get a (unwanted) popping noise when I adjust the dials and a slight
>> (almost inaudible) thud noise whenever I send a note but I get the same
>> (lack of) sound whatever waveform or settings I choose.
>>
>
>
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From timo.westkamper at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 16:05:23 2013
From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:05:23 +0300
Subject: [LAU] rogue: new softsynth
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Hi Dan.

Great to hear. Let me know what improvements you come up with.

Br,
Timo


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Timo!
>
> I'm not sure if it was me missing something or the update(s) you've made
> since yesterday but you'll be happy to hear I've got rogue working under
> KXStudio/qtractor now!
>
> I've not had a proper play with it just yet but I'll provide feedback when
> I have something useful to say.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Timo Westk?mper <
> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I tried now QTractor and it worked fine, though the UI is not as
>> responsive as in jalv. I made some changes to the UI code to have the
>> stylesheet properly applied https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/60
>>
>> I am not yet very familiar with Ardour, but will try to test with it as
>> well in the next days.
>>
>> This blog post shows how the UI should look like
>> http://westkamper.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/rogue-stablizing/
>>
>> Br,
>> Timo
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Turning the following up should give you a sound: osc1 level, mixer 1
>>>> vol a, output a vol
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tried that and still the same result ie no real sound to speak of.
>>>
>>> I do get a (unwanted) popping noise when I adjust the dials and a slight
>>> (almost inaudible) thud noise whenever I send a note but I get the same
>>> (lack of) sound whatever waveform or settings I choose.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 16:10:52 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:10:52 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey fellas!
>
> This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the podcasthere:
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux
> &a=linux_podcast
>
>
> Would be interested in what you think!
>
> --
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
Wow. OK. Well, let me say a few things from the other perspective. The
point you keep repeating is that youre 'tired of filing bug reports'. Well,
how do you think a developer who spends decades of their lives making
something and giving it away for free, when 90% of the feedback they get is
in the form of complaining? Don't you imagine that that would become far
more tiresome than filling out a bug report every couple of months? If you
consider the time that the developer of the software your using has spent
in order to give it to you FOR FREE, and OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR
HEARTS--years or decades of their nights and weekends, how does that
compare to the few minutes it takes you to file a report? I say this to put
your grievances in perspective--because it's quite clear that you really
have no idea how petty it sounds to someone who is not currently as enraged
with frustration as you are.

Now, let's talk about that frustration. I know it well. In fact, anyone who
uses software at all knows it well. You single out free software and linux
audio, but believe me, the bugs are by now means limited to that domain.
People are simply more forgiving of things they know they have no hope of
affecting the outcome of (i.e. proprietary software). They live with the
faults and limitations. It's a psychological phenomenon similar to the fact
that you would take good care of a car that you had to save up for for
years vs one that your parents just gave you for free. It's an unfortunate
fact, because it distorts the reality. The reality is that free software in
general has fewer limitations and a much faster response time to issues
than proprietary software. Hell, when you send that bug report to a free
software project, it's likely to be answered BY THE INVENTOR, and
IMMEDIATELY. Do you think OS X users get their problems solved personally
by Steve Jobs?

Anyway, back to that frustration. It's very frustrating when a bug prevents
you from making progress. It's infuriating when a bug causes you to lose
work. I get it. In fact, this is pretty much the reason that I started my
own Linux Audio projects in the first place--I couldn't find anything else
reliable enough and was sick of having my project files trashed. When you
submit a bug report, you're certainly helping--but you're helping other
users and yourself. You're not helping the developer (if they hit the bug
in their use of the software, they'd just fix it). Why would you give up
helping yourself? Would you give up feeding yourself? Are you suicidal?
Would you rather pay $700 for a DAW or whatever? Is it THAT frustrating to
you? No? Just frustrating enough to diminish the work of people who helped
you when you were down, who offered you the fruits of their labor out of
the goodness of their hearts... Why don't you put that frustration to some
positive use? Submit that bug report, or fix the damn thing yourself, or
write your own. Or, god forbid, donate some damn money so that the
developer in question can explain to their wive or girlfriend why they're
sitting in front of the computer for 8 ours on yet another Saturday when
they could be out enjoying the outdoors instead.
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 16:26:18 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:26:18 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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When you submit a bug report, you're certainly helping--but you're helping
>> other users and yourself. You're not helping the developer (if they hit the
>> bug in their use of the software, they'd just fix it).
>>
>
I'd have to disagree with you there Mr L. Non-descript bug reports are
useless of course but well-constructed, up-to-date bug reports are surely
of use to a developer who cares about his project but doesn't have time to
thoroughly test it- which is the case for most FLOSS devs. Just because a
dev hasn't spotted a flaw yet in their usage of their software doesn't mean
its not a potential showstopper for other users of that app.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Wed Aug 14 16:42:12 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:42:12 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 09:10 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> Do you think OS X users get their problems solved personally by Steve
> Jobs?

Yes, they only need an iOuija board and OTOH, if we sent a request to
Linus Torvalds, e.g. "Linus, could you please change the colors for the
Ardour GUI", he doesn't reply.



From malnourite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 16:44:33 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:44:33 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  When you submit a bug report, you're certainly helping--but you're
>>> helping other users and yourself. You're not helping the developer (if they
>>> hit the bug in their use of the software, they'd just fix it).
>>>
>>
> I'd have to disagree with you there Mr L. Non-descript bug reports are
> useless of course but well-constructed, up-to-date bug reports are surely
> of use to a developer who cares about his project but doesn't have time to
> thoroughly test it- which is the case for most FLOSS devs. Just because a
> dev hasn't spotted a flaw yet in their usage of their software doesn't mean
> its not a potential showstopper for other users of that app.
>

My point is that it doesn't help them personally. It only helps the
reporter and potentially any other user who uses the software in the same
environment or workflow that triggers the bug. Haivng software that works
everywhere and in any situation may be good for the developer's ego or
whatever, but it is not required in order for him to accomplish his own
work (which is presumably why the software was originally written). To put
it another way, any aspect of the software,be it features or fixes, that
does not directly affect the workflow of the developer is done purely for
the sake of others.
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 16:48:02 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:48:02 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  When you submit a bug report, you're certainly helping--but you're
>>>> helping other users and yourself. You're not helping the developer (if they
>>>> hit the bug in their use of the software, they'd just fix it).
>>>>
>>>
>> I'd have to disagree with you there Mr L. Non-descript bug reports are
>> useless of course but well-constructed, up-to-date bug reports are surely
>> of use to a developer who cares about his project but doesn't have time to
>> thoroughly test it- which is the case for most FLOSS devs. Just because a
>> dev hasn't spotted a flaw yet in their usage of their software doesn't mean
>> its not a potential showstopper for other users of that app.
>>
>
> My point is that it doesn't help them personally. It only helps the
> reporter and potentially any other user who uses the software in the same
> environment or workflow that triggers the bug. Haivng software that works
> everywhere and in any situation may be good for the developer's ego or
> whatever, but it is not required in order for him to accomplish his own
> work (which is presumably why the software was originally written). To put
> it another way, any aspect of the software,be it features or fixes, that
> does not directly affect the workflow of the developer is done purely for
> the sake of others.
>

Sorry, and by help I mean benefit, not assist.
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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Aug 14 16:49:16 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:49:16 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>  To put it another way, any aspect of the software,be it features or
> fixes, that does not directly affect the workflow of the developer is done
> purely for the sake of others
>


the topic of the semi-private ardour developers IRC channel is this:

     One of the secrets of life is that all that is really worth the doing
is what we do for others. (Lewis Carroll)

honestly, i'm not attempting to sound preachy.
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 16:53:24 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:53:24 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>  To put it another way, any aspect of the software,be it features or
>> fixes, that does not directly affect the workflow of the developer is done
>> purely for the sake of others
>>
>
>
> the topic of the semi-private ardour developers IRC channel is this:
>
>      One of the secrets of life is that all that is really worth the doing
> is what we do for others. (Lewis Carroll)
>
> honestly, i'm not attempting to sound preachy.
>

To be clear, I'm not advocating not helping others, I'm simply pointing out
the altruistic nature of developers responding to bug reports. The OP makes
it seem like he's doing the developer a big favor by engaging in the
reporting process--when the truth is that his 15 minute bug report
generates hours of work for the developer--that the developer could have
most likely lived his entire life without needing to do otherwise. There's
an underlying sense of entitlement there that is really toxic to any
process of collaboration.
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 16:56:52 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:56:52 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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If you don't care what other users think of your software, why release the
source?


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:53 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  To put it another way, any aspect of the software,be it features or
>>> fixes, that does not directly affect the workflow of the developer is done
>>> purely for the sake of others
>>>
>>
>>
>> the topic of the semi-private ardour developers IRC channel is this:
>>
>>      One of the secrets of life is that all that is really worth the
>> doing is what we do for others. (Lewis Carroll)
>>
>> honestly, i'm not attempting to sound preachy.
>>
>
> To be clear, I'm not advocating not helping others, I'm simply pointing
> out the altruistic nature of developers responding to bug reports. The OP
> makes it seem like he's doing the developer a big favor by engaging in the
> reporting process--when the truth is that his 15 minute bug report
> generates hours of work for the developer--that the developer could have
> most likely lived his entire life without needing to do otherwise. There's
> an underlying sense of entitlement there that is really toxic to any
> process of collaboration.
>
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 17:03:19 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:03:19 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you don't care what other users think of your software, why release the
> source?
>


Out of the goodness of their hearts. To save other people the trouble of
having to spend years developing such tools themselves. Just because one is
giving and unselfish doesn't mean one has to be pathologically subservient.

Imagine this: someone has run out of gas. Do you A) help them by giving
them a bit of gas that you already happened to have in your vehicle or B)
Give them the title to your car and walk home. Is the person who chooses
option A selfish? I don't think so. I think they're kind and giving. The
person who chooses option B is insane.
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From brent at keycorner.org  Wed Aug 14 17:06:08 2013
From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:06:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LAU] Calf parametric equalizer...wow!
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1308141158020.17899@village.keycorner.org>

Something some people find disconcerting about me is that sometimes I'll 
totally freak out about something that might be taken as a given by 
others, as though I've discovered fire, just because it's dome something 
wonderful for me.

So...I'm going to freak out like I've discovered fire.

Don't ask me why it took me this long, but I just tried the parametric 
equalizer plugins from Calf.  WOW.  So this is the clean transparent mix 
I've been wanting forever.  In just a few minutes, I've been able to do 
things with this plugin that I couldn't achieve in hardware (and I've 
got a lot of hardware).  Whoever did this obviously knows more than most 
about how to write audio filter algorithms, because...wow.

Their Sourceforge page doesn't seem to list anywhere that one can 
donate, but I'm impressed enough that I would.  So, if any of you Calf 
audio plugin people are out there on LAU, just want to let you know I 
think your parametric EQ is worth paying for all by itself.

Ok...I'm done now.  :)

(Addendum:  Has anyone else besides me had trouble getting some plugins 
to same recallable presets?  You save, and then try to recall, and 
nothing happens.  Still, it saves its current settings in your project, 
and I suppose that's all that matters.)

-- 
+ Brent A. Busby	 + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +  banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago	 +  eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ James Franck Institute +  Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ Materials Research Ctr +  we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 17:40:13 2013
From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:40:13 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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Doesn't this issue exist in everything mankind produces? Does the material and money aspect - really - have anything to do with it? Any personal satisfaction I've had in life has ALWAYS had some form of "giving without absurd expectation". The pattern IMHO is by no means an exclusive to software development, audio, etc.  Its called Service! To some, maybe altruism. How cool that it supports both! 

As a "user" of Linux audio since 2000 or so, I have had many very positive experiences over all. They did not
Require a conversation related to open source vs. proprietary. They were just bloody good, period!  I do announce to all that ask what I use and that the benefits outweigh the "problems". Most that are not aware of Linux Audio are simply delighted to hear there is another option! The granular analysis by the insiders, as to be expected, is just that. It's not personal.. It's the process near as I can tell. And it produces awesome results as a collective? Is that not the real reward for all? Money is necessary to pay bills, sure. But If all devs were motivated by this alone, I doubt this conversation could exist. 

I don't know shit really. What I do know in this life is that if someone does you a solid in someway, showing gratitude and positive response provides far more of what you were likely seeking in the 1st place. To the devs... Especially the meaty apps such as DAW's, etc... You make the audio world (MUSIC is why we are here... Isn't it??) a better place to be!! Thank you!! To the users, support em, share some $love$ with them if you can... Bug reports? Ne'er done one!! Never been a bug so serious I didn't have good "options" to work around it somehow. 

Disclaimer: this is only my perspective. Its not personal toward any other author on this thread. Without the all, there would be No One. 

I love it all. :) and my God, how far has Linux audio come in the last 15 yrs? A model that was 'Bankrupt before it started' in the words of Steve Balmer. 

Cheerz!

~ Russell

On Aug 14, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "J. Liles" <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you don't care what other users think of your software, why release the source?
> 
> 
> Out of the goodness of their hearts. To save other people the trouble of having to spend years developing such tools themselves. Just because one is giving and unselfish doesn't mean one has to be pathologically subservient.
> 
> Imagine this: someone has run out of gas. Do you A) help them by giving them a bit of gas that you already happened to have in your vehicle or B) Give them the title to your car and walk home. Is the person who chooses option A selfish? I don't think so. I think they're kind and giving. The person who chooses option B is insane.
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Aug 14 17:48:53 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:48:53 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On 08/14/2013 06:10 AM, J. Liles wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com
> <mailto:louigi.verona at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hey fellas!
>
>     This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the
>     podcast here:
>     http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>     <http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast>
>
>
>     Would be interested in what you think!
>
>     --
>     Louigi Verona
>     http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Linux-audio-user mailing list
>     Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>     <mailto:Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>     http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
> Wow. OK. Well, let me say a few things from the other perspective. The
> point you keep repeating is that youre 'tired of filing bug reports'.
> Well, how do you think a developer who spends decades of their lives
> making something and giving it away for free, when 90% of the feedback
> they get is in the form of complaining? Don't you imagine that that
> would become far more tiresome than filling out a bug report every
> couple of months? If you consider the time that the developer of the
> software your using has spent in order to give it to you FOR FREE, and
> OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS--years or decades of their nights
> and weekends, how does that compare to the few minutes it takes you to
> file a report? I say this to put your grievances in perspective--because
> it's quite clear that you really have no idea how petty it sounds to
> someone who is not currently as enraged with frustration as you are.
>
> Now, let's talk about that frustration. I know it well. In fact, anyone
> who uses software at all knows it well. You single out free software and
> linux audio, but believe me, the bugs are by now means limited to that
> domain.

I've watched a friend of mine go through 3 different Windows systems, 
with the aid of vendors that deal exclusively in systems for pro audio 
use - and still not have a usable, bug-free system.

Biggest complaint I have about Microsoft is they've somehow convinced 
people that problems with software and computers are "normal". "Just 
shut down and restart."

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Aug 14 18:35:05 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:35:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.10
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308131756350.32585@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308131756350.32585@spring>
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Hello Tim!
   Ths is fantastic! Thanks a lot. Your plugins are very useful to me. In 
addition to my old haunts, I've added the cabinetIV and it's companion, which 
I don't need tat often, but when I'm looking for an amp, I turn towards your 
amp plugin.
   Warm regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Aug 14 19:49:32 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:49:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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Hello Louigi!
   I think, you've gotten quite a lot of responses. Here's my take, I'll try to 
be short.
   I do file bugreports to a few projects. But in those few, things are moving 
forward. Yes, things sometiems break and it's frustrating, when I'm in teh 
flow. But I've seen improvements. Though, I must admit, that some issues keep 
coming back. But a big program has a lot of places, where it can break. That's 
just natural. I've also seen professional, industrial development. Of course 
in the end, they have to release code, that is working, but how often, do they 
have issues coming back. That's what you said about sticking with public 
releases, instead of keeping your finger on the pulse.
   I have been recording music for 11 years now, with Linux. My music is not 
terribly demanding on technology, but it keeps demanding more and more over 
time. I'm not sure, if my luck is due to the commandline, it tends to 
eliminate a lot of problems, or if I'm just lucky with my Linux. :-)
   But now I ave to sign off and do a bug report. Though this didn't hinder me 
from making progress with my latest piece. Luck again?
   Warm regards
         Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Wed Aug 14 20:58:18 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:58:18 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OT: From the archives, on the Hammond
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:46:04 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:

> No Linux content here, but plenty of Hammond.
> 
> Was digging through an S3 bucket, and found two old live recordings from Better Than Lahar from 2010.
> 
> A mellow, sexxxy groove for late-night listening:
> http://storage.betterthanlahar.com.s3.amazonaws.com/live/justthetip.mp3
> 
> And a full-on, balls-out, in your face ROCK song, which was I think our best at the time:
> http://storage.betterthanlahar.com.s3.amazonaws.com/live/scuffinupthewalls.mp3
> 
> I feel so lucky to have actually gotten to be in my favorite band. Those guys were awesome.
> 
> -ken

Thanks for sharing these. Really enjoyed them both, especially scuffinupthe
walls :)

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Wed Aug 14 22:13:58 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:13:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On 08/14/2013 04:00 AM, Louigi Verona wrote:
> Hey fellas!
>
> This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the 
> podcast here:
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast 
> <http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast>
>
>
> Would be interested in what you think!
>

Hey Louigi,

I feel your frustration. I don't like it when things break, especially 
during a performance or recording. However, I'm not sure what you're 
want to accomplish by declaring that too much software is broken *and* 
that you're not going to take part in the fix-up process, at least not 
by making bug reports.

But the plain fact remains that for *your* purposes it's true that there 
really is too much unfinished stuff out there. You come from a world 
where music software  is packaged neat and ready to roll, and you are 
now trying to reach your musical goals in a world where no such 
packaging exists as a matter of course. Frankly, I probably wouldn't 
bother. I was initially attracted to Linux because of the software it 
ran well, and fortunately for me it suited my musical tendencies. Today, 
most of the software I use - Csound, Ardour, LADSPA, SuperCollider, etc 
- is well-established and well-maintained, with large and active 
development and user groups. You're using some of the latest things to 
evolve in the Linux audio world, e.g. synth plugins and pattern-based 
audio sequencers, most of which things have been in consistent 
development on Windows and/or the Mac for many years. Unfortunately for 
you and other musicians working in your artistic domains attention in 
Linux audio has been paid to other directions. I do see things improving 
in your direction, but only by fits and starts, hence the many 
unfinished/broken projects. Alas, beyond bug reports, I have no 
suggestions that will radically or readily improve the situation, though 
I do seriously advise using money - a.k.a. the universal solvent - as an 
incentive/motivator.

Best,

dp

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From len at ovenwerks.net  Wed Aug 14 22:52:19 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:52:19 -0700
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
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On Tue, August 13, 2013 12:52 pm, Rusty Perez wrote:
> Thanks Len and all,
> Another totally basic question.
> First, I'll try going in to one of the "line" inputs on the card.
>
> But, am I correct, should the card mixer input level then be set to 0
> DB to illiminate the work of another amplifier, and take advantage of
> the work done by the tube pac?

Every pre has a best setting. Sometimes they are designed for that setting
and have a detent or are at 0, other times you just find out by trying. I
have a cheap one with 0, 10, 20 and 30db gain settings where the 30 db
setting is quieter that the 20db setting... Your 1010 should be better
than that.

Something to watch out for though... just because your pre likes a line
level of +4 or +8 doesn't mean the card can handle it, some start clipping
at around -10, even with the input level turned down. If there is a gain
or buffer stage before the level control, that can clip even with what
looks like a low level inside the computer. That's what ears are for. No
matter how good the equipment is, in the end you have to listen to it and
try settings till it sounds best. Mudita24 or envy24control has lots of
meters to help you set your 1010 up. They give a pretty good idea of what
your card can handle.

The original envy24control can be found in alsa-tools-gui and the updated
version mudita24 has it's own package.

-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Wed Aug 14 23:57:39 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:57:39 +0000
Subject: [LAU] sortof OT -- ART tube pac preamp and compressor noisy?
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 03:52:19PM -0700, Len Ovens wrote:

> Something to watch out for though... just because your pre likes a line
> level of +4 or +8 doesn't mean the card can handle it, some start clipping
> at around -10, even with the input level turned down. If there is a gain
> or buffer stage before the level control, that can clip even with what
> looks like a low level inside the computer. That's what ears are for. No
> matter how good the equipment is, in the end you have to listen to it and
> try settings till it sounds best. Mudita24 or envy24control has lots of
> meters to help you set your 1010 up. They give a pretty good idea of what
> your card can handle.

The first thing you need to know is what the controls
actually control. 

I've never used a 1010lt, but in order to provide some solid
info rather than guesses to the OP of this thread, I've been
reading the manual. Some of it is informative, most of it is
the usual blabla. The 1010lt has 8 analog inputs. Two of them
have mic preamps, which can be configured for different gains
by jumpers on the PCB. Then there are 'input level' controls
in the mixer app. Not just the usual -10dB/+4dB switches, but
even real faders. Even after reading all of the manual, it's
a perfect mistery what those are actually controlling - analog
gain before the AD converter, or some scaling in the digital
domain. If I had the card I could easily find out in a few
minutes. But without the HW one can only guess. 

Combining the tube preamp and the 1010lt, there are at least
four points were gains can be set between the mic and the SW.
Usually two of them is enough to confuse a non-technical
user. 

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 15 00:17:07 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 02:17:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
In-Reply-To: <520C0126.6040400@woh.rr.com>
References: <CADqqn48A3ybkevgUpFNyBun3phDaeXkWSQT-fYCiRojFPBBDVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1376525827.734.59.camel@archlinux>

Reporting bugs isn't easy and isn't less work, it's time consuming.

I agree that there is the need to report bugs, but nobody has the time
to report each bug again and again, while fixing the Linux install again
and again. So it makes sense to report bugs for the software that is
most important for oneself, to coders who are interested in bug reports,
some coders are simply not interested and get angry when somebody
mentions a bug.

If you've got different construction zones you need to choose what you
will do first and perhaps you then forget to report a bug.

Neither the coders, nor the users are forced to do their "work", we are
doing it because we want to do it.

IMO Louigi should report bugs to coders who program the most important
software he's using, if they can stand each other.

Regards,
Ralf

-- 
Anybody using 3.10.6-rt3? Perhaps caused by the new kernel a security
process or similar seems to be locked on my machine. After installing
the kernel an update hanged when checking the keyring. I had to
remove /var/lib/pacman/db.lck and could update using another kernel, but
when I try to start a session for this kernel-rt, LightDM now hangs when
checking the password, I only was able to start one session for this
kernel. An issue that delays reporting a bug to a bug tracker, that
already was reported, but needs a new report and to delay an off-list
correspondence about MIDI and Hz vs full tickless with a kernel package
maintainer.


From rweinheimer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 15 03:44:35 2013
From: rweinheimer at yahoo.com (Roger Weinheimer)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:44:35 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78, Issue 11
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ALSAPLAYER CONFIG
$ cat .alsaplayer/config 
#
# alsaplayer config file
#
# Only edit this file if the application is not active.
# Any modifications might (will!) be lost otherwise.
#
http.buffer_size=1048576
mad.parse_id3=true
main.default_interface=gtk2
main.default_output=alsa
main.multiopen=true
main.period_count=8
main.period_size=4096
main.play_on_start=false
miniG4:~$ 


My alsaplayer version is 0.99.80-5+b1 which is the latest version in Debian packages. Alsaplayer.sf.net shows a released version of 0.99.81. Len, from what you said, I assume this means I need to download the source and any dependencies and build it locally. I cloned the github repo and am rtfm for the source.

Before building, I removed the old alsaplayer.

root at miniG4:~# apt-get remove alsaplayer-alsa alsaplayer-common alsaplayer-text

So I took a shot at building alsaplayer. That endeavor seems to be fraught with peril. The INSTALL and README files are pretty sketchy. After running the bootstrap script and then configure, I get  the following. Aside from the syntax error which is obviously a show-stopper, should I be worried about the other not found scripts or programs?

root at miniG4:~/alsaplayer# ./configure
checking build system type... powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu
checking host system type... powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu
checking target system type... powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... no
checking for mawk... mawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking for style of include used by make... none
checking dependency style of gcc... none
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
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checking dependency style of g++... none
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
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checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
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checking for inttypes.h... yes
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checking for unistd.h... yes
checking minix/config.h usability... no
checking minix/config.h presence... no
checking for minix/config.h... no
checking whether it is safe to define __EXTENSIONS__... yes
checking whether NLS is requested... yes
checking for msgfmt... no
checking for gmsgfmt... :
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checking for msgmerge... no
checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking for shared library run path origin... done
./configure: line 6162: gt_INTL_MACOSX: command not found
checking for GNU gettext in libc... yes
checking whether to use NLS... yes
checking where the gettext function comes from... libc
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed
checking for fgrep... /bin/grep -F
checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking for BSD- or MS-compatible name lister (nm)... /usr/bin/nm -B
checking the name lister (/usr/bin/nm -B) interface... BSD nm
checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 1572864
checking whether the shell understands some XSI constructs... yes
checking whether the shell understands "+="... yes
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking for objdump... objdump
checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all
checking for ar... ar
checking for strip... strip
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok
checking for dlfcn.h... yes
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... (cached) no
checking whether g++ accepts -g... (cached) no
checking dependency style of g++... (cached) none
checking for objdir... .libs
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC -DPIC
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC -DPIC works... yes
checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... (cached) yes
checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... no
checking whether gcc and cc understand -c and -o together... yes
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... (cached) no
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes
checking for library containing opendir... none required
checking fcntl.h usability... yes
checking fcntl.h presence... yes
checking for fcntl.h... yes
checking malloc.h usability... yes
checking malloc.h presence... yes
checking for malloc.h... yes
checking sys/ioctl.h usability... yes
checking sys/ioctl.h presence... yes
checking for sys/ioctl.h... yes
checking sys/time.h usability... yes
checking sys/time.h presence... yes
checking for sys/time.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking linux/cdrom.h usability... yes
checking linux/cdrom.h presence... yes
checking for linux/cdrom.h... yes
checking sys/soundcard.h usability... yes
checking sys/soundcard.h presence... yes
checking for sys/soundcard.h... yes
checking sys/audioio.h usability... no
checking sys/audioio.h presence... no
checking for sys/audioio.h... no
checking audio/audiolib.h usability... no
checking audio/audiolib.h presence... no
checking for audio/audiolib.h... no
checking libintl.h usability... yes
checking libintl.h presence... yes
checking for libintl.h... yes
checking mad.h usability... no
checking mad.h presence... no
checking for mad.h... no
checking id3tag.h usability... no
checking id3tag.h presence... no
checking for id3tag.h... no
checking FLAC/stream_decoder.h usability... no
checking FLAC/stream_decoder.h presence... no
checking for FLAC/stream_decoder.h... no
checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... yes
checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes
checking for size_t... yes
checking for working memcmp... yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/param.h... yes
checking for getpagesize... yes
checking for working mmap... yes
checking for madvise... yes
checking for doxygen... false
configure: WARNING: *** doxygen not found, docs will not be built
checking for libmikmod-config... no
checking for libmikmod - version >= 3.1.7... no
*** The libmikmod-config script installed by libmikmod could not be found
*** If libmikmod was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the LIBMIKMOD_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to libmikmod-config.
checking for Ogg... no
*** Could not run Ogg test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means Ogg was incorrectly installed
*** or that you have moved Ogg since it was installed. In the latter case, you
*** may want to edit the ogg-config script: 
checking for Vorbis... no
*** Could not run Vorbis test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means Vorbis was incorrectly installed
*** or that you have moved Vorbis since it was installed.
checking for glBegin in -lGL... no
checking for glBegin in -lMesaGL... no
checking GL/gl.h usability... no
checking GL/gl.h presence... no
checking for GL/gl.h... no
checking GL/glx.h usability... no
checking GL/glx.h presence... no
checking for GL/glx.h... no
checking for FLAC__stream_decoder_new in -lFLAC... no
checking for FLAC__stream_decoder_init_ogg_stream in -lFLAC... no
checking for mad_stream_init in -lmad... no
checking for id3_file_open in -lid3tag... no
./configure: line 18675: syntax error near unexpected token `JACK,'
./configure: line 18675: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(JACK, jack >= 0.118.0, have_jack=yes, have_jack=no)'

On Aug 14, 2013, at 9:48 AM, linux-audio-user-request at lists.linuxaudio.org wrote:

> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:57:09 +0200
> From: Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>
> To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> Subject: Re: [LAU] alsaplayer error using USB Audio DAC
> Message-ID: <520B9AC5.7030109 at ladisch.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Roger Weinheimer wrote:
>> the problem is with alsaplayer.
> 
> Please show the contents of ~/.alsaplayer/config.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clemens


From allcoms at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 05:57:03 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 06:57:03 +0100
Subject: [LAU] radio interview with falkTX
Message-ID: <CANOoOjtufAZenOAs9S8zH324ku3DL_JM7uxDyXjODoTwb20pFg@mail.gmail.com>

Tonight, falkTX will be the first ever guest to be interviewed on Mumble
Rumble, my show on Dark City Radio, Thursday 15th August @ 10pm GMT!

Dark City Radio is entirely powered by his OS - KXStudio - and we also make
regular use of Cadence and Claudia in running Dark City Radio so having F
as my debut guest makes perfect sense as DC may never have been possible
without him! I shall be quizzing falkTX on KXStudio, DISTRHO, Cadence,
Carla, other girls beginning with C and pretty much anything to do with
Linux (Audio) and himself.

Anyone interested in Linux audio is invited to log onto the Dark City
Mumble server during the show to take part in MUMBLE RUMBLE!

If you've never used Mumble before, see my guide to getting it set up here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slsSlcUDcY

Thanks for listening (or taking part)!

Dan

www.darkcityradio.com
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 15 07:16:32 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:16:32 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer - was: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <85751E2E-6ACF-4F6F-8B6E-F684B5499BE2@yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.49.1376498887.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
 <85751E2E-6ACF-4F6F-8B6E-F684B5499BE2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1376550992.734.89.camel@archlinux>

Hi Roger,

yes I guess you're still missing build dependencies.
I suspect you need to install
libflac-dev
libvorbis-dev
libogg-dev
doxygen
libid3tag0-dev
libmad0-dev
libc6-dev
libaudio-dev
intltool
gcc
libjack-dev or libjack-jack2-dev
and perhaps other packages.
I might be mistaken.

Regards,
Ralf


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 15 09:30:11 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:30:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer - was: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78,
	Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <1376550992.734.89.camel@archlinux>
References: <mailman.49.1376498887.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
 <85751E2E-6ACF-4F6F-8B6E-F684B5499BE2@yahoo.com>
 <1376550992.734.89.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1376559011.1157.43.camel@archlinux>

I wrote:
> yes I guess you're still missing build dependencies.
> I suspect you need to install
> libflac-dev
> libvorbis-dev
> libogg-dev
> doxygen
> libid3tag0-dev
> libmad0-dev
> libc6-dev
> libaudio-dev
> intltool
> gcc
> libjack-dev or libjack-jack2-dev
> and perhaps other packages.
> I might be mistaken.

Right now I see

gcc seems to be installed, but gawk seems to be missing and you seem to
need libjack-dev and not libjack-jack2-dev

You should check the list yourself.

"checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no"
so it doesn't matter that
"checking for g++... no"

If e.g. a codec or lib already is installed, than perhaps the dev
package is missing. You often don't need to use package search engines
for your distro, but simply google for it. If a coder writes you "foo"
is needed, it might be that it's split for your distro and the packages
have different names, so "foo" for your distro could be the packages
"libfoo2 libfoo2-dev libfoo2-docs", for another distro it might just be
the package "foo" or "libfoo".



From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 15 09:38:38 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:38:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsaplayer - was: Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78,
	Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <1376559011.1157.43.camel@archlinux>
References: <mailman.49.1376498887.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
 <85751E2E-6ACF-4F6F-8B6E-F684B5499BE2@yahoo.com>
 <1376550992.734.89.camel@archlinux> <1376559011.1157.43.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1376559518.1157.46.camel@archlinux>

On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> "checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no"
> so it doesn't matter that
> "checking for g++... no"

Oops, I guess I made a mistake :D, however, install the dev packages and
try again/check the new output.


From clemens at ladisch.de  Thu Aug 15 11:04:40 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:04:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 78, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <85751E2E-6ACF-4F6F-8B6E-F684B5499BE2@yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.49.1376498887.3126.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
 <85751E2E-6ACF-4F6F-8B6E-F684B5499BE2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <520CB5C8.2050609@ladisch.de>

Roger Weinheimer wrote:
> $ cat .alsaplayer/config
> ...
> main.default_output=alsa

So the default device name is "default", which should work in theory.

You didn't redefine the default device in /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc?


Regards,
Clemens

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 11:22:59 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:22:59 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
Message-ID: <CADqqn49JmBffRY23u9FG=Fz6CuCiP8yLxn_B_dqpOpgV-zXeAA@mail.gmail.com>

Get it here:
http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast

-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 11:42:44 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:42:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn49JmBffRY23u9FG=Fz6CuCiP8yLxn_B_dqpOpgV-zXeAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49JmBffRY23u9FG=Fz6CuCiP8yLxn_B_dqpOpgV-zXeAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbM-NMTADwLp8syYkDWqgFbDLKkb1tiBwA8U=BX5=YTFvQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>

I'll remember this in particular:
Recurring bugs (that have been reported & return afterwards) are the worst
kind.

On a side note, attempting to build a group of "testers" is something I'll
look into, and post a new topic to list when I have my mind made up.
Cheers, -Harry
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From burkhard at ualberta.ca  Thu Aug 15 15:42:06 2013
From: burkhard at ualberta.ca (Burkhard Ritter)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:42:06 -0600
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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Just realized I didn't send this to the list.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Burkhard Ritter <burkhard at ualberta.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:53 AM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> To be clear, I'm not advocating not helping others, I'm simply pointing out
>> the altruistic nature of developers responding to bug reports. The OP makes
>> it seem like he's doing the developer a big favor by engaging in the
>> reporting process--when the truth is that his 15 minute bug report generates
>> hours of work for the developer--that the developer could have most likely
>> lived his entire life without needing to do otherwise. There's an underlying
>> sense of entitlement there that is really toxic to any process of
>> collaboration.
>
> In my experience (as someone who files bug reports only very
> occasionally), doing a good bug report is more on the order of an hour
> or even more. Hence, if I find a bug in a program that I only use once
> in a while, say for three to four hours every two to three weeks (my
> use case for most programs on linux audio), filing this bug is a
> considerable time investment relative to the time I actually use the
> program.
>
> Add to this the mindset of the person you are asking to file the bug
> report: As an example, say you finally got back to making some music
> after three weeks of abstinence; you carve out the time, you spend
> four hours doing some great stuff and then at two in the morning, when
> you are just about to finish things off, you run into a show-stopper
> bug. Some basic issue that "should just work". You are extremely
> frustrated, you know you are not going to get back to doing some music
> in weeks and you are not going to file a bug report. I imagine that's
> one of the situations Louigi is taking about.
>
> Things are probably quite different when it's not a show-stopper bug,
> but a smaller glitch: You finished drafting a song sketch and are very
> happy with the software you used, but encountered a couple of smaller
> issues. Next day you might be inclined to take the time to file the
> bug report.
>
> I am not sure what can be done to improve the situation, but Harry's
> testing-buddies idea seems very reasonable. As a spin on that, a
> dedicated group of "invested" users of some program (even very small
> software projects) could actively test a new version before it is
> released. I am sure this happens to some extent and in different forms
> for most projects, but I am not sure whether there is a conscious
> testing phase and a dedicated group of testers for any but the biggest
> projects (e.g. Ardour). The goal would of course be to not have any
> basic functionality broken in released versions.
>
> Cheers,
> Burkhard

From rncbc at rncbc.org  Thu Aug 15 15:45:02 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 16:45:02 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbM-NMTADwLp8syYkDWqgFbDLKkb1tiBwA8U=BX5=YTFvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49JmBffRY23u9FG=Fz6CuCiP8yLxn_B_dqpOpgV-zXeAA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <520CF77E.7020209@rncbc.org>

On 08/15/2013 12:42 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com
> <mailto:louigi.verona at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>
>
> I'll remember this in particular:
> Recurring bugs (that have been reported & return afterwards) are the
> worst kind.
>

i had to listen the 2 and 3 podcasts offline while resting off diving on 
open waters (no pun) so this might be kind of retarded reply anyway :/

i have a feeling--a strong one if i may--that the OP bug is on my
   http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/678

happily, i'm still on vacation/holydays now and still, that doesn't make 
to justify an incomplete bug report and followup process. ah, always the 
process, when evidences are due late or never coming... yes, Louigi it's 
you who i'm looking at ;)


> On a side note, attempting to build a group of "testers" is something
> I'll look into, and post a new topic to list when I have my mind made up.
> Cheers, -Harry
>

right on. LV has been one of those "soft-core" testers ever still, maybe 
anymore? lap003 tells me otherwise, but hey Louigi, software development 
is no simple craftsmanship, complex software is serious business and old 
and new assumptions are always caught in the open

i have this kinda metaphor for that old returning bug case: short 
blanket syndrome. yep, an anti-pattern of its own--simply put: you may 
fix or close one but will most certainly open one another often hidden 
and even dead older--the most hideous bugs just lurk in there, believe 
me, i know ;)

cheers
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org

From malnourite at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 18:32:41 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:32:41 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn49JmBffRY23u9FG=Fz6CuCiP8yLxn_B_dqpOpgV-zXeAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49JmBffRY23u9FG=Fz6CuCiP8yLxn_B_dqpOpgV-zXeAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSYNeSr89OOfHzbvKN=u6eTLUjWOm-rCHFMj0ug0yp7--g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:22 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> Get it here:
>
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>
> --
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
I'm still not sure I understand the point of bringing this up in the first
place. At first you sounded like you were announcing that you were giving
up on participating and maybe even using free software. Now you've
corrected that, but that just makes the whole thing seem even more
pointless. Is the purpose only to vent? You say you're not frustrated, but
honestly I can't see how anything constructive can come out of what is
essentially complaining combined with inaction. Complaining wihtout
offering any solutions is about the most useless thing a human being can do
with their time. If you want to be apathetic, fine, but why announce it in
public? Life is a struggle. Things are hard. Shit breaks. Technology is
complicated. Time is short. None of these facts are specific to linux audio
or even free software. I'm sorry you've had to struggle with technology
from time to time that was offered to you freely and without waranty.
Perhaps your time would be better spent seeking out a synthesizer for the
sound of the world's smallest violin playing just for you.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 15 19:12:19 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:12:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 09:42 -0600, Burkhard Ritter wrote:
> doing a good bug report is more on the order of an hour
> or even more

Correct, resp. it depends to the bug, e.g. what Rui calls "short blanket
syndrome" for his fixes usually can be reported within seconds to the
Qtractor mailing list and after those few seconds he often fixed the
syndrome issue within half an hour. Happened several times in the past.



From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 21:39:08 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:39:08 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSYNeSr89OOfHzbvKN=u6eTLUjWOm-rCHFMj0ug0yp7--g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49JmBffRY23u9FG=Fz6CuCiP8yLxn_B_dqpOpgV-zXeAA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADqqn48Yg1SSjYg8StVQk0ax-F34n7zEEKAqhXo43k5yxLo=Eg@mail.gmail.com>

"At first you sounded like you were announcing that you were giving up on
participating and maybe even using free software"

To be honest I was very surprised someone got it that way.

"Complaining wihtout offering any solutions is about the most useless thing
a human being can do with their time."

I respectfully disagree. I see no logical connection between criticism and
solution offering.

"None of these facts are specific to linux audio or even free software."

I argue that they are.





On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:32 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:22 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Get it here:
>>
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>>
>> --
>> Louigi Verona
>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
> I'm still not sure I understand the point of bringing this up in the first
> place. At first you sounded like you were announcing that you were giving
> up on participating and maybe even using free software. Now you've
> corrected that, but that just makes the whole thing seem even more
> pointless. Is the purpose only to vent? You say you're not frustrated, but
> honestly I can't see how anything constructive can come out of what is
> essentially complaining combined with inaction. Complaining wihtout
> offering any solutions is about the most useless thing a human being can do
> with their time. If you want to be apathetic, fine, but why announce it in
> public? Life is a struggle. Things are hard. Shit breaks. Technology is
> complicated. Time is short. None of these facts are specific to linux audio
> or even free software. I'm sorry you've had to struggle with technology
> from time to time that was offered to you freely and without waranty.
> Perhaps your time would be better spent seeking out a synthesizer for the
> sound of the world's smallest violin playing just for you.
>



-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 21:40:20 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:40:20 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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Burkhard, that would be a pretty close depiction of my situation, I guess.
But as I point out
in episode 003, clearing up my position, I just wanted to bring up the fact
that this situation
might occur, in a user who is otherwise cool about Linux.


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 09:42 -0600, Burkhard Ritter wrote:
> > doing a good bug report is more on the order of an hour
> > or even more
>
> Correct, resp. it depends to the bug, e.g. what Rui calls "short blanket
> syndrome" for his fixes usually can be reported within seconds to the
> Qtractor mailing list and after those few seconds he often fixed the
> syndrome issue within half an hour. Happened several times in the past.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 21:44:31 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:44:31 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> "At first you sounded like you were announcing that you were giving up on
> participating and maybe even using free software"
>
> To be honest I was very surprised someone got it that way.
>
>
> "Complaining wihtout offering any solutions is about the most useless
> thing a human being can do with their time."
>
> I respectfully disagree. I see no logical connection between criticism and
> solution offering.
>
>
> "None of these facts are specific to linux audio or even free software."
>
> I argue that they are.
>
>
Well, if anything good comes of these last two podcasts, I'll be pleasantly
surprised. I'm not holding my breath though. I think you've only succeeded
in doing two things: 1) mildly irritating a few developers and 2) promoting
a rather apethetic and dystopian view of Linux Audio.  Neither of which
seems very productive. I wish you the best of luck in your endevours, but I
do suggest that you keep your expectations reasonable--it's a lot less
frustrating that way.
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 21:49:31 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:49:31 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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I'd rather be realistic than dystopian ;)
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From falktx at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 23:07:40 2013
From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 00:07:40 +0100
Subject: [LAU] radio interview with falkTX
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On 08/15/2013 06:57 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote:
> Tonight, falkTX will be the first ever guest to be interviewed on 
> Mumble Rumble, my show on Dark City Radio, Thursday 15th August @ 10pm 
> GMT!
>
> Dark City Radio is entirely powered by his OS - KXStudio - and we also 
> make regular use of Cadence and Claudia in running Dark City Radio so 
> having F as my debut guest makes perfect sense as DC may never have 
> been possible without him! I shall be quizzing falkTX on KXStudio, 
> DISTRHO, Cadence, Carla, other girls beginning with C and pretty much 
> anything to do with Linux (Audio) and himself.
>
> Anyone interested in Linux audio is invited to log onto the Dark City 
> Mumble server during the show to take part in MUMBLE RUMBLE!
>
> If you've never used Mumble before, see my guide to getting it set up 
> here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slsSlcUDcY
>
> Thanks for listening (or taking part)!
>
> Dan
>
> www.darkcityradio.com <http://www.darkcityradio.com>
>
I think that went fine, do you agree?

Will you be uploading the interview somewhere so others can have a 
listen too?
Thanks!

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From brummer- at web.de  Fri Aug 16 03:54:39 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:54:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Am 15.08.2013 23:49, schrieb Louigi Verona:
> I'd rather be realistic than dystopian ;)
>

I haven't listen any of your pod-cast?s complete, but I guess I get the 
essence of it.
Let me answer from a developer point of view.

Just turn around your args, so, as a developer, if I want to know "who 
use my project", I've to add some bugs, or exclude some features, 
because users only contacting the developers if they wish something.

That is the realistic from the other side, and in the same way a useless 
contribution. ;-)

Linux (Audio) should be a community task, that requires contributions 
from "any member".
That means, if you take something, you have as well to give something.


From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 04:29:50 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:29:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:54 PM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:

> Am 15.08.2013 23:49, schrieb Louigi Verona:
>
>  I'd rather be realistic than dystopian ;)
>>
>>
> I haven't listen any of your pod-cast?s complete, but I guess I get the
> essence of it.
> Let me answer from a developer point of view.
>
> Just turn around your args, so, as a developer, if I want to know "who use
> my project", I've to add some bugs, or exclude some features, because users
> only contacting the developers if they wish something.
>
> That is the realistic from the other side, and in the same way a useless
> contribution. ;-)
>
> Linux (Audio) should be a community task, that requires contributions from
> "any member".
> That means, if you take something, you have as well to give something.
>
>
True and well said. It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the
project or developer a favor by merely using it. Well, sure, it's good for
the ego to have the most popular whatever, but what is the value of having
1,000,000 users who never donate, who never submit bug reports, and who
only go around complaining that the thing they got for free doesn't work as
well as the thing that company X charges $700 for. Personally, I've
benefitted a greatly from free-software and I have also given a lot back in
return. I simply can't understand the mentality of those who take and take
and yet can't be bothered to do so much as alert a developer to a problem.
Progress doesn't just happen magically. It happens because people make it
happen. If anyone is frustrated with the glacial pace of whatever--they
just need to get off their ass and do something about it.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 04:48:39 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 06:48:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 21:29 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> I simply can't understand the mentality of [...]

Because there isn't such a black and white reality as it is presented by
this thread. You can't understand the nature of something that doesn't
exist, because there isn't something to understand.



From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 05:14:24 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:14:24 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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"It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the project or
developer a favor by merely using it."

Perhaps some people, but I do not subscribe to such a view ;)

I'll repeat once again - it was just sharing of my experience that
surprised myself and I wanted to
tell about it - that even a rather dedicated user can go through such a
phase. There is really
no frustration or complaining, but, if course, I did anticipate that
someone might react that way.


I do say very positive things about Linux Audio if you read my site, so I
just do not agree that you
attacking me as someone who just complains is constructive or necessary ;)
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From brummer- at web.de  Fri Aug 16 05:36:56 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 07:36:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Am 16.08.2013 07:14, schrieb Louigi Verona:
> "It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the project or 
> developer a favor by merely using it."
>
> Perhaps some people, but I do not subscribe to such a view ;)
>
> I'll repeat once again - it was just sharing of my experience that 
> surprised myself and I wanted to
> tell about it - that even a rather dedicated user can go through such 
> a phase. There is really
> no frustration or complaining, but, if course, I did anticipate that 
> someone might react that way.
>
>
> I do say very positive things about Linux Audio if you read my site, 
> so I just do not agree that you
> attacking me as someone who just complains is constructive or necessary ;)
>
>
So what do you want to reach with your podcast? You talk about your 
frustration about the situation in Linux Audio, and you get the same 
answer, from those who do the work, which ever comes in such situations.

Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way 
around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't 
burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there 
asses.

If you see a other way, let us know.


From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 08:57:25 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:57:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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If we move past the current arguments of "don't complain about free stuff",
there's something pretty interesting to discuss that we all could benefit
from; how do we make this better?

>From both a user and a developers standpoint, how do we make this
interaction better? What can users do to provide better bug reports, and
how should they be handled? Are there guidelines for most projects as to
how users should report bugs? Can we simplify this bugreporting somehow for
the user, and at the same time make it more powerful to the dev?

What does developers think is lacking in this interaction right now? What
does users think's lacking?

One point Hermann made is that devs more or less only gets contacted when
there's something wrong with their application. I can really see how that
is, and that's very unfortunate. For me, one of the greatest draws to Linux
Audio is the fact that I can so easily interact with the people who write
the applications I use. A tighter community integration would be great for
most people. We have forums like Linuxmusicians.com, which might be a bit
more laid back than the projects official forums. Maybe we could try and
use LM-forums as a gathering point for the community for real? If we make
sure every project that wants gets its own sub-forum, getting together and
both discussing as well as helping each other gets very easy. Any thoughts
on that idea?

For me personally as a user, I can subscribe to a lot of Louigi's thoughts.
The applications I use more or less always has some fairly basic
functionality that's either half or fully broken. Even if there's reports
and a will to help debug, there's only so much one (or at best, a handful)
developer can do. What's basic and a *must* functionality for me, might not
at all be important to the rest. This is a reality, but can we make it
better?

Please feel free to answer any of my questions here. I'd love to hear what
both developers and users have to say about this, as this is something that


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:

> Am 16.08.2013 07:14, schrieb Louigi Verona:
>
>  "It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the project or
>> developer a favor by merely using it."
>>
>> Perhaps some people, but I do not subscribe to such a view ;)
>>
>> I'll repeat once again - it was just sharing of my experience that
>> surprised myself and I wanted to
>> tell about it - that even a rather dedicated user can go through such a
>> phase. There is really
>> no frustration or complaining, but, if course, I did anticipate that
>> someone might react that way.
>>
>>
>> I do say very positive things about Linux Audio if you read my site, so I
>> just do not agree that you
>> attacking me as someone who just complains is constructive or necessary ;)
>>
>>
>>  So what do you want to reach with your podcast? You talk about your
> frustration about the situation in Linux Audio, and you get the same
> answer, from those who do the work, which ever comes in such situations.
>
> Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way
> around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't
> burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there
> asses.
>
> If you see a other way, let us know.
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 08:57:50 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:57:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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..matters a lot to us all. (sent the mail too soon...)


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> If we move past the current arguments of "don't complain about free
> stuff", there's something pretty interesting to discuss that we all could
> benefit from; how do we make this better?
>
> From both a user and a developers standpoint, how do we make this
> interaction better? What can users do to provide better bug reports, and
> how should they be handled? Are there guidelines for most projects as to
> how users should report bugs? Can we simplify this bugreporting somehow for
> the user, and at the same time make it more powerful to the dev?
>
> What does developers think is lacking in this interaction right now? What
> does users think's lacking?
>
> One point Hermann made is that devs more or less only gets contacted when
> there's something wrong with their application. I can really see how that
> is, and that's very unfortunate. For me, one of the greatest draws to Linux
> Audio is the fact that I can so easily interact with the people who write
> the applications I use. A tighter community integration would be great for
> most people. We have forums like Linuxmusicians.com, which might be a bit
> more laid back than the projects official forums. Maybe we could try and
> use LM-forums as a gathering point for the community for real? If we make
> sure every project that wants gets its own sub-forum, getting together and
> both discussing as well as helping each other gets very easy. Any thoughts
> on that idea?
>
> For me personally as a user, I can subscribe to a lot of Louigi's
> thoughts. The applications I use more or less always has some fairly basic
> functionality that's either half or fully broken. Even if there's reports
> and a will to help debug, there's only so much one (or at best, a handful)
> developer can do. What's basic and a *must* functionality for me, might not
> at all be important to the rest. This is a reality, but can we make it
> better?
>
> Please feel free to answer any of my questions here. I'd love to hear what
> both developers and users have to say about this, as this is something that
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 16.08.2013 07:14, schrieb Louigi Verona:
>>
>>  "It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the project or
>>> developer a favor by merely using it."
>>>
>>> Perhaps some people, but I do not subscribe to such a view ;)
>>>
>>> I'll repeat once again - it was just sharing of my experience that
>>> surprised myself and I wanted to
>>> tell about it - that even a rather dedicated user can go through such a
>>> phase. There is really
>>> no frustration or complaining, but, if course, I did anticipate that
>>> someone might react that way.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do say very positive things about Linux Audio if you read my site, so
>>> I just do not agree that you
>>> attacking me as someone who just complains is constructive or necessary
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>  So what do you want to reach with your podcast? You talk about your
>> frustration about the situation in Linux Audio, and you get the same
>> answer, from those who do the work, which ever comes in such situations.
>>
>> Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way
>> around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't
>> burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there
>> asses.
>>
>> If you see a other way, let us know.
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>
>
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From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug 16 11:32:28 2013
From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 23:32:28 +1200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 07:48:53AM -1000, david wrote:
> 
> Biggest complaint I have about Microsoft is they've somehow
> convinced people that problems with software and computers are
> "normal". "Just shut down and restart."

+1

I'd even venture further and say that they've convinced people that the
problem(s) lies within themselves!


-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug 16 11:36:31 2013
From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 23:36:31 +1200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 06:13:58PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
> On 08/14/2013 04:00 AM, Louigi Verona wrote:
> >Hey fellas!
> >
> >This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the
> >podcast here:
> >http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast <http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast>
> >
> >
> >Would be interested in what you think!
> >
> 
> Hey Louigi,
> 
> I feel your frustration. I don't like it when things break,
> especially during a performance or recording. However, I'm not sure
> what you're want to accomplish by declaring that too much software
> is broken *and* that you're not going to take part in the fix-up
> process, at least not by making bug reports.

Yeah, I'd be demanding my money back! oops, ... hang on.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 13:34:37 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 15:34:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 23:32 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> I'd even venture further and say that they've convinced people that the
> problem(s) lies within themselves!

It's unfortunately true, that most issues with Windows machines are
caused by the users and not by Windows. I help many people with their
computer issues, it would be easier for me, if they would use Linux, but
they would be completely overchallenged with Linux. What we don't like
on Windows for the most parts, is well-considered and tailored for a
special target group. We aren't the target group of Microsoft. Keep in
mind that what's normal for you and me, is way beyond the knowledge of
even well educated, smart people who don't care about how computers
work.

Regarding to music applications, take a look at forums for musicians.
Less of the million musicians are professional musicians or audio
engineers. They ask for "Southnorth", "Auto-Detune" and how they can get
their music as "silent" as professional CDs are. They ask for such apps
and make fun about Linux, because they consider Linux as unusable
without "Southnorth", "Auto-Detune" etc., if they would be aware about
real issues, e.g. that the printer from the supermarket can't be used on
Linux, they would make more jokes about Linux. They've got completely
other needs than we do have.

You don't use a sandwich toaster to cook a wok dish. I know a guy who
through his apple computer equipment in rage out of the window. Today
he's using Windows, he still has got issues with using computers, but
the newer the Windows is, the easier he can use his computer. Windows is
customer-oriented, it fit very good to it's target group. Btw. he's a
professional musician and never ever would use a computer with what OS
ever for music.

We can't compare oranges and bananas.

Regards,
Ralf


From zotz at 100jamz.com  Fri Aug 16 13:58:22 2013
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:58:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Friday 16 August 2013 01:14:24 Louigi Verona wrote:
> "It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the project or
> developer a favor by merely using it."
>
> Perhaps some people, but I do not subscribe to such a view ;)

I actually do subscribe to such a view. Within the bounds of some very relaxed 
constraints.

Let's say the software being used is Free Software.

If that software is being used to the exclusion of non-Free software, that 
user is one more addition to the needed network effects that will help the 
software/project prosper.

One more user that may lead to better hardware support from vendors.

One user who may do something "WOW!" withg the software and whose friends may 
ask how it was done. Those friends may be the ones who turn around and 
provide the bug reports / finincial incentives / coding help / whatever that 
the developer needs to make it world class project.

I am talking of honest to goodness users though. Not people with an agenda 
against Free Software who "use" only enough to complain and then go back to 
the non-Free software that they hanker for.

I don't think a Free software project should ever discount the benefits of 
plain and simple users.

Enough said for now I guess.

all the best,

drew

From zotz at 100jamz.com  Fri Aug 16 14:06:49 2013
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:06:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Friday 16 August 2013 07:32:28 Chris Bannister wrote:
> I'd even venture further and say that they've convinced people that the
> problem(s) lies within themselves!

If you squint right, it does. They are the ones sticking with the program 
instead of moving on to better places.

all the best,

drew

From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz  Fri Aug 16 14:08:55 2013
From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 02:08:55 +1200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 03:34:37PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 23:32 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > I'd even venture further and say that they've convinced people that the
> > problem(s) lies within themselves!
> 
> It's unfortunately true, that most issues with Windows machines are
> caused by the users and not by Windows. I help many people with their
> computer issues, it would be easier for me, if they would use Linux, but
> they would be completely overchallenged with Linux. What we don't like
> on Windows for the most parts, is well-considered and tailored for a
> special target group. We aren't the target group of Microsoft. Keep in
> mind that what's normal for you and me, is way beyond the knowledge of
> even well educated, smart people who don't care about how computers
> work.

[...]

I think you miss my point. Have you ever lost your work under Windows
because you didn't save it often?  So if you lose it -- the answer is
'Oh you idiot! You should save your work often!"

whereas

well ... it wasn't called the blue screen of death for nothing.

Have you ever asked for help within Windows, only be taken to a screen
talking about a load of stuff which has nothing to do with the subject
you want help with?

Have you ever tried to figure out why a menu option/button toggle
doesn't work because they are using some sort of weird reverse logic?

Eventually, you start thinking ... "Jeez I must be really thick! I can't
understand these bloody computers!"

> We can't compare oranges and bananas.

Au contraire, we can and do!  

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 14:36:20 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:36:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 02:08 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> Have you ever lost your work under Windows because you didn't save it
> often?

I'm not a Windows user. I'm not part of Microsoft's target group.
Have you ever bought a printer from the supermarket, that didn't work
with Linux? I know the answer, you didn't, but the target group for
Microsoft would do so, because they have a completely different
knowledge about computers and completely different needs regarding to
computers than you and I have got.


From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 16:53:13 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:53:13 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> If we move past the current arguments of "don't complain about free
> stuff", there's something pretty interesting to discuss that we all could
> benefit from; how do we make this better?
>
> From both a user and a developers standpoint, how do we make this
> interaction better? What can users do to provide better bug reports, and
> how should they be handled? Are there guidelines for most projects as to
> how users should report bugs? Can we simplify this bugreporting somehow for
> the user, and at the same time make it more powerful to the dev?
>
> What does developers think is lacking in this interaction right now? What
> does users think's lacking?
>
> One point Hermann made is that devs more or less only gets contacted when
> there's something wrong with their application. I can really see how that
> is, and that's very unfortunate. For me, one of the greatest draws to Linux
> Audio is the fact that I can so easily interact with the people who write
> the applications I use. A tighter community integration would be great for
> most people. We have forums like Linuxmusicians.com, which might be a bit
> more laid back than the projects official forums. Maybe we could try and
> use LM-forums as a gathering point for the community for real? If we make
> sure every project that wants gets its own sub-forum, getting together and
> both discussing as well as helping each other gets very easy. Any thoughts
> on that idea?
>
> For me personally as a user, I can subscribe to a lot of Louigi's
> thoughts. The applications I use more or less always has some fairly basic
> functionality that's either half or fully broken. Even if there's reports
> and a will to help debug, there's only so much one (or at best, a handful)
> developer can do. What's basic and a *must* functionality for me, might not
> at all be important to the rest. This is a reality, but can we make it
> better?
>
> Please feel free to answer any of my questions here. I'd love to hear what
> both developers and users have to say about this, as this is something that
>
>
The fact of the matter is, if you have a feature that is non-trivial,
critical to you, and not critical to others (especially the developer), you
have the following options:

1) pick a more appropriate tool. The natural instinct of a user is to
INSIST that the feature X they want should be integrated into software Y,
when really the feature may have nothing to do with Y at all, it just
happens to be the software they're working with at the moment. This force
should not be underestimated, as it is a very real effect and one of the
major causes of software bloat. Chances are that some other program exists
that was DESIGNED to do X and does it well. This is why we have DAWs that
burn CDs and text editors that play tetris and browse the web--and the
general result is a lot of software that does the same thing poorly rather
than a little bit of software that does it well.

2) make a convincing case to the developer (maybe even one not connected to
the project you want to change). Programmers work for free in a large part
because it can be fun. They will only work for free on fun things. For
unfun things, you have to pay them boatloads of money. If you have a
feature that you consider important--convincing the developer that it's
importand and interesting is going to be a lot more effective than just
whinging about how badly you need it.

3) pay for it. 60% of the time, it works every time.

4) Do it your own damn self. I'm dead serious here. This is how users
become developers. They identify a need that only they have, or in a domain
that only they understand well enough to devise a solution. Either by
patching existing software (a hell of a lot easier than you think!) or by
starting something from scratch (goodbye nights and weekends! but hello
personal improvement and satisfaction). Many great free-software projects
started out this way.
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From egor.sanin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 17:23:15 2013
From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:23:15 -0400
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I shall contiribute my voice, too.

On 8/16/13, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
[SNIP]
> Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way
> around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't
> burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there
> asses.
>
> If you see a other way, let us know.

It is important to note that time is a finite quantity in the physical
reality we are all a part of.  This fact limits the amount of "work"
any one person can perform.

"Work" can be of different types.  The comment above suggests to me
the opinion that the "work" of developers is of higher value because
to become a developer one has to "move their ass."  The problem with
this statement when talking about audio software is that just having
the software is pointless.  The software is made to be used to create
music, or at least some sort of audio output.  People producing this
output, often called musicians, also need to do a lot of "work."  To
be a musician, one must also "move their ass."

The "work" of musicians is different, but no less valuable than the
"work" of developers, so let's not get our egos too hot here.  Just
because one person does not have enough time to perform developer
"work" because most of his time is spent doing musician "work" (please
research the amount of music that OP has produced with Linux audio
software) is no reason to make him a scapegoat.

And a not on the "goal" of OP's podcasts (I am not speaking for him,
rather simply providing my interpretation): a piece of criticism is
usually created to generate discussion.  In the most basic form, this
is enough of a reason to do something.

From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 17:32:26 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:32:26 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Egor Sanin <egor.sanin at gmail.com> wrote:

> I shall contiribute my voice, too.
>
> On 8/16/13, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way
> > around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't
> > burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there
> > asses.
> >
> > If you see a other way, let us know.
>
> It is important to note that time is a finite quantity in the physical
> reality we are all a part of.  This fact limits the amount of "work"
> any one person can perform.
>
> "Work" can be of different types.  The comment above suggests to me
> the opinion that the "work" of developers is of higher value because
> to become a developer one has to "move their ass."  The problem with
> this statement when talking about audio software is that just having
> the software is pointless.  The software is made to be used to create
> music, or at least some sort of audio output.  People producing this
> output, often called musicians, also need to do a lot of "work."  To
> be a musician, one must also "move their ass."
>
> The "work" of musicians is different, but no less valuable than the
> "work" of developers, so let's not get our egos too hot here.  Just
> because one person does not have enough time to perform developer
> "work" because most of his time is spent doing musician "work" (please
> research the amount of music that OP has produced with Linux audio
> software) is no reason to make him a scapegoat.
>
> And a not on the "goal" of OP's podcasts (I am not speaking for him,
> rather simply providing my interpretation): a piece of criticism is
> usually created to generate discussion.  In the most basic form, this
> is enough of a reason to do something.
>


An interesting point. As a though experiment: pretend you are a musician;
if someone came to you asking you to rewrite your song to better suit their
listening needs, how would you respond?
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From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 17:36:28 2013
From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:36:28 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Please ignore
Message-ID: <A0756032-4B7E-4343-B88F-07D8D7B38245@gmail.com>

Just a test. This acct has not been used in a long time. 

~ Russell

From egor.sanin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 17:46:58 2013
From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:46:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On 8/16/13, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
[SNIP]
> An interesting point. As a though experiment: pretend you are a musician;
> if someone came to you asking you to rewrite your song to better suit their
> listening needs, how would you respond?
>

That is a very apt and illustrative comparison. And my answer is that
you have exactly the same options as a developer of software!  The
problem is that this kind of situation is rarely black or white.  It
is always subjective.

If some brash and shallow peruser of linux expressed the same opinions
as OP, I would likely also bash that person, but from my involvement
with linux audio, I know for a fact that OP is a valuable member of
this community, and believe that he deserves more thoughtful reactions
to his opinion than "don't complain" and "do something about it."

From leoave at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 17:58:38 2013
From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:58:38 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Oh my , here I go too...

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:32 AM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Egor Sanin <egor.sanin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I shall contiribute my voice, too.
>>
>> On 8/16/13, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>> > Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way
>> > around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't
>> > burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there
>> > asses.
>> >
>> > If you see a other way, let us know.
>>
>> It is important to note that time is a finite quantity in the physical
>> reality we are all a part of.  This fact limits the amount of "work"
>> any one person can perform.
>>
>> "Work" can be of different types.  The comment above suggests to me
>> the opinion that the "work" of developers is of higher value because
>> to become a developer one has to "move their ass."  The problem with
>> this statement when talking about audio software is that just having
>> the software is pointless.  The software is made to be used to create
>> music, or at least some sort of audio output.  People producing this
>> output, often called musicians, also need to do a lot of "work."  To
>> be a musician, one must also "move their ass."
>>
>> The "work" of musicians is different, but no less valuable than the
>> "work" of developers, so let's not get our egos too hot here.  Just
>> because one person does not have enough time to perform developer
>> "work" because most of his time is spent doing musician "work" (please
>> research the amount of music that OP has produced with Linux audio
>> software) is no reason to make him a scapegoat.
>>
>> And a not on the "goal" of OP's podcasts (I am not speaking for him,
>> rather simply providing my interpretation): a piece of criticism is
>> usually created to generate discussion.  In the most basic form, this
>> is enough of a reason to do something.
>>
>
>
> An interesting point. As a though experiment: pretend you are a musician;
> if someone came to you asking you to rewrite your song to better suit their
> listening needs, how would you respond?
>

The list has been since I remember a place to announce audio works, not
only software, and when someone give us links of their work, it happened
often that he got critics from listeners, so he can fix some of his audio
work to that individual ears.

But anyway the audio creator/producer has the last word, like the same on
the side of software givers.

This said with all my respect for audio and software creators.

Leo
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 18:03:38 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:03:38 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Egor Sanin <egor.sanin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/16/13, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > An interesting point. As a though experiment: pretend you are a musician;
> > if someone came to you asking you to rewrite your song to better suit
> their
> > listening needs, how would you respond?
> >
>
> That is a very apt and illustrative comparison. And my answer is that
> you have exactly the same options as a developer of software!  The
> problem is that this kind of situation is rarely black or white.  It
> is always subjective.
>
> If some brash and shallow peruser of linux expressed the same opinions
> as OP, I would likely also bash that person, but from my involvement
> with linux audio, I know for a fact that OP is a valuable member of
> this community, and believe that he deserves more thoughtful reactions
> to his opinion than "don't complain" and "do something about it."
>

I've never questioned OPs experience or power-user status or anything of
that nature. I think we all need to remember that we use GNU/Linux and
free-software not only because of the low price or because it works
perfectly all the time. We use it for practical and ethical reasons as
well. I wouldn't give up on a musician because they missed a note, and I
wouldn't give up on Linux Audio because it has a few bugs. The truth is,
Linux Audio didn't exist, I wouldn't be using computers to make music.
Period. I'm sure there are a lot of people in the same boat. Some for
financial reasons, some for practical reasons, some for ethical reasons. We
all need it to work. But only a very few of us are willing to put in the
time to make it work.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 18:10:14 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:10:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 13:46 -0400, Egor Sanin wrote:
> On 8/16/13, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > As a though experiment: pretend you are a musician;
> > if someone came to you asking you to rewrite your song to better suit their
> > listening needs, how would you respond?

There's a difference between art and tools released for the public.
Art, excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.
A tool, even if it's for free as in beer, needs some quality. For
example, if I build a power supply for somebody for free, this person
can't expect that I fulfill all imaginable uses, e.g. for somebody who
needs it for a Tattoo machine, I won't provide balanced voltage, but it
could be used with the bikes battery and mains. What I fulfil is
security, if she/he should hang ab the tattoo machine on the bikes
handlebars no short will destroy anything, if the mains are used, nobody
getting tattooed will get an electric shock. If I build a power supply
just for my self, not for anybody else, I can ignore some security
things, because I know what I do with this power supply. I even could
use banana jacks instead of a Schuko jack to connect to the mains.

> If some brash and shallow peruser of linux expressed the same opinions
> as OP, I would likely also bash that person

Why the double standards?

Regards,
Ralf


From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 18:14:53 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:14:53 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 13:46 -0400, Egor Sanin wrote:
> > On 8/16/13, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As a though experiment: pretend you are a musician;
> > > if someone came to you asking you to rewrite your song to better suit
> their
> > > listening needs, how would you respond?
>
> There's a difference between art and tools released for the public.
> Art, excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.
> A tool, even if it's for free as in beer, needs some quality. For
> example, if I build a power supply for somebody for free, this person
> can't expect that I fulfill all imaginable uses, e.g. for somebody who
> needs it for a Tattoo machine, I won't provide balanced voltage, but it
> could be used with the bikes battery and mains. What I fulfil is
> security, if she/he should hang ab the tattoo machine on the bikes
> handlebars no short will destroy anything, if the mains are used, nobody
> getting tattooed will get an electric shock. If I build a power supply
> just for my self, not for anybody else, I can ignore some security
> things, because I know what I do with this power supply. I even could
> use banana jacks instead of a Schuko jack to connect to the mains.
>
> > If some brash and shallow peruser of linux expressed the same opinions
> > as OP, I would likely also bash that person
>
> Why the double standards?
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
>

Ralf, perhaps you've never read it, but you should. this is part of the GPL
preamble:

/* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
WITHOUT */
/* ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY
or       */
/* FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License
for   */
/* more
details.

It was not put there without reason.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 18:16:24 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:16:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 20:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 13:46 -0400, Egor Sanin wrote:
> > On 8/16/13, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As a though experiment: pretend you are a musician;
> > > if someone came to you asking you to rewrite your song to better suit their
> > > listening needs, how would you respond?
> 
> There's a difference between art and tools released for the public.
> Art, excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.
> A tool, even if it's for free as in beer, needs some quality. For
> example, if I build a power supply for somebody for free, this person
> can't expect that I fulfill all imaginable uses, e.g. for somebody who
> needs it for a Tattoo machine, I won't provide balanced voltage
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is the
correct term symmetric voltage? For + and - voltage, e.g. to use with
op-amps.

> , but it
> could be used with the bikes battery and mains. What I fulfil is
> security, if she/he should hang ab the tattoo machine on the bikes
> handlebars no short will destroy anything, if the mains are used, nobody
> getting tattooed will get an electric shock. If I build a power supply
> just for my self, not for anybody else, I can ignore some security
> things, because I know what I do with this power supply. I even could
> use banana jacks instead of a Schuko jack to connect to the mains.
> 
> > If some brash and shallow peruser of linux expressed the same opinions
> > as OP, I would likely also bash that person
> 
> Why the double standards?
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf



From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 18:19:19 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:19:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 11:03 -0700, J. Liles wrote:

> I've never questioned OPs experience or power-user status or anything
> of that nature. I think we all need to remember that we use GNU/Linux
> and free-software not only because of the low price or because it
> works perfectly all the time. We use it for practical and ethical
> reasons as well. I wouldn't give up on a musician because they missed
> a note, and I wouldn't give up on Linux Audio because it has a few
> bugs. The truth is, Linux Audio didn't exist, I wouldn't be using
> computers to make music. Period. I'm sure there are a lot of people in
> the same boat. Some for financial reasons, some for practical reasons,
> some for ethical reasons. We all need it to work. But only a very few
> of us are willing to put in the time to make it work.

+1



From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 18:27:01 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:27:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 11:14 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> 
> /* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
> WITHOUT */
> /* ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY
> or       */
> /* FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public
> License for   */
> /* more
> details.                                                               
> 
> 
> It was not put there without reason.

The reason for this is coverage, but the target of FLOSS is to provide a
quality level. Again, it's not black and white. If music apps shouldn't
be perfect it's one thing, but regarding to e.g. security, privacy even
this disclaimer won't protect an evil coder against a lawsuit.



From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 19:07:08 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:07:08 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
In-Reply-To: <1376677621.856.25.camel@archlinux>
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 11:14 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> >
> > /* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
> > WITHOUT */
> > /* ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY
> > or       */
> > /* FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public
> > License for   */
> > /* more
> > details.
> >
> >
> > It was not put there without reason.
>
> The reason for this is coverage, but the target of FLOSS is to provide a
> quality level. Again, it's not black and white. If music apps shouldn't
> be perfect it's one thing, but regarding to e.g. security, privacy even
> this disclaimer won't protect an evil coder against a lawsuit.
>
>
I don't think you get it. It's not about protecting people from evil
programmers. It's about protecting programmers from litigious,
self-entitled people who assume that just because something exists, then it
must have been tailor made just for them and work in every way as they
expect. The kind of people who will shoot themselvse in the foot and blame
the maker of the pistol. It is to allow the programmer to write something
that works FOR THEMSELVES and share it freely with other people WHOM IT MAY
OR MAY NOT WORK FOR, without being held accountable for the fact that it
simply may not work for everybody. It is extremely difficult, if not
impossible, to write software that works in environments and use cases that
the programmer has never seen.

Consider free-software not as you would a tool that you bought from the
hardware store, but as a hand-crafted work of art that happens to have
functional applications.
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From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Fri Aug 16 19:09:55 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:09:55 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Message-ID: <20130816200955.1208a81c@debian>

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:07:08 -0700
"J. Liles" <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

> Consider free-software not as you would a tool that you bought from the
> hardware store, but as a hand-crafted work of art that happens to have
> functional applications.

Hear! Hear!

Very well put.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 19:27:28 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:27:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Message-ID: <1376681248.856.42.camel@archlinux>

On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 12:07 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf
> <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>         On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 11:14 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>         >
>         > /* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
>         useful, but
>         > WITHOUT */
>         > /* ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
>         MERCHANTABILITY
>         > or       */
>         > /* FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General
>         Public
>         > License for   */
>         > /* more
>         > details.
>         >
>         >
>         > It was not put there without reason.
>         
>         
>         The reason for this is coverage, but the target of FLOSS is to
>         provide a
>         quality level. Again, it's not black and white. If music apps
>         shouldn't
>         be perfect it's one thing, but regarding to e.g. security,
>         privacy even
>         this disclaimer won't protect an evil coder against a lawsuit.
>         
> 
> 
> I don't think you get it. It's not about protecting people from evil
> programmers.

Then I get it ;). It's a disclaimer.

>  It's about protecting programmers from litigious, self-entitled
> people who assume that just because something exists, then it must
> have been tailor made just for them and work in every way as they
> expect. The kind of people who will shoot themselvse in the foot and
> blame the maker of the pistol. It is to allow the programmer to write
> something that works FOR THEMSELVES and share it freely with other
> people WHOM IT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK FOR, without being held accountable
> for the fact that it simply may not work for everybody. It is
> extremely difficult, if not impossible, to write software that works
> in environments and use cases that the programmer has never seen.
> 
> 
> Consider free-software not as you would a tool that you bought from
> the hardware store, but as a hand-crafted work of art that happens to
> have functional applications.

You can't present children at Halloween candy bars with razor blades in
them and a disclaimer and guess you're off the hook.

I don't care about the abilities that Linux audio apps might have or not
have, but about a quality level for Linux. That something is a gift
doesn't mean there is no demand on e.g. privacy. If somebody makes
something public, even for free as in beer, there are still rules, laws
to take into account. If a coder does not want to take care about rules
and laws, the coder better don't release his software. _Again_ I'm not
talking about the abilities of Linux audio apps, I'm thinking of data
protection.

Dialog is needed if quality should raise, the other way, no dialog and
use it or don't use it is legitimate too, don't get me wrong. I only
want to point out, that the argument that something is free as in beer,
doesn't mean that there are no quality standards.

I programmed audio software myself ages ago and when I gave it away for
free I didn't care about it's quality as much as I do care when I give
away a power supplies for free.

Something that is for free still shouldn't be dangerous crap.


From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 19:41:20 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:41:20 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 12:07 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf
> > <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> >         On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 11:14 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> >         >
> >         > /* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be
> >         useful, but
> >         > WITHOUT */
> >         > /* ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
> >         MERCHANTABILITY
> >         > or       */
> >         > /* FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General
> >         Public
> >         > License for   */
> >         > /* more
> >         > details.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > It was not put there without reason.
> >
> >
> >         The reason for this is coverage, but the target of FLOSS is to
> >         provide a
> >         quality level. Again, it's not black and white. If music apps
> >         shouldn't
> >         be perfect it's one thing, but regarding to e.g. security,
> >         privacy even
> >         this disclaimer won't protect an evil coder against a lawsuit.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think you get it. It's not about protecting people from evil
> > programmers.
>
> Then I get it ;). It's a disclaimer.
>
> >  It's about protecting programmers from litigious, self-entitled
> > people who assume that just because something exists, then it must
> > have been tailor made just for them and work in every way as they
> > expect. The kind of people who will shoot themselvse in the foot and
> > blame the maker of the pistol. It is to allow the programmer to write
> > something that works FOR THEMSELVES and share it freely with other
> > people WHOM IT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK FOR, without being held accountable
> > for the fact that it simply may not work for everybody. It is
> > extremely difficult, if not impossible, to write software that works
> > in environments and use cases that the programmer has never seen.
> >
> >
> > Consider free-software not as you would a tool that you bought from
> > the hardware store, but as a hand-crafted work of art that happens to
> > have functional applications.
>
> You can't present children at Halloween candy bars with razor blades in
> them and a disclaimer and guess you're off the hook.
>
> I don't care about the abilities that Linux audio apps might have or not
> have, but about a quality level for Linux. That something is a gift
> doesn't mean there is no demand on e.g. privacy. If somebody makes
> something public, even for free as in beer, there are still rules, laws
> to take into account. If a coder does not want to take care about rules
> and laws, the coder better don't release his software. _Again_ I'm not
> talking about the abilities of Linux audio apps, I'm thinking of data
> protection.
>
> Dialog is needed if quality should raise, the other way, no dialog and
> use it or don't use it is legitimate too, don't get me wrong. I only
> want to point out, that the argument that something is free as in beer,
> doesn't mean that there are no quality standards.
>
> I programmed audio software myself ages ago and when I gave it away for
> free I didn't care about it's quality as much as I do care when I give
> away a power supplies for free.
>
> Something that is for free still shouldn't be dangerous crap.
>
>
Ralf, I have only one thing left to say to you:

sudo rm -rf /
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 19:46:23 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:46:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 12:41 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> Ralf, I have only one thing left to say to you: 
> 
> sudo rm -rf /

Why should I do this? I'm happy with Linux and the quality standard I'm
talking about is fulfilled by Linux. I only try to explain to you, that
you're mistaken regarding to your "free as in beer" argumentation.



From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 19:51:15 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:51:15 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 12:41 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> > Ralf, I have only one thing left to say to you:
> >
> > sudo rm -rf /
>
> Why should I do this? I'm happy with Linux and the quality standard I'm
> talking about is fulfilled by Linux. I only try to explain to you, that
> you're mistaken regarding to your "free as in beer" argumentation.
>

It would be impossible for me to be mistaken regarding an argument I never
made.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 16 20:00:01 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:00:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 12:51 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>         
>         
>         On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 12:41 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>         > Ralf, I have only one thing left to say to you:
>         >
>         > sudo rm -rf /
>         
>         
>         Why should I do this? I'm happy with Linux and the quality
>         standard I'm
>         talking about is fulfilled by Linux. I only try to explain to
>         you, that
>         you're mistaken regarding to your "free as in beer"
>         argumentation.
> 
> 
> It would be impossible for me to be mistaken regarding an argument I
> never made. 

Then it's a misunderstanding, note that English isn't my native
language. You misunderstood what I've written about the "disclaimer",
perhaps regarding to my broken English. In the context of what you've
written I read that "free as in beer" does mean "every low level is
allowed", so again a misunderstanding. However, you've also written
about ethics, so IMO it's better to encourage people to use Linux
instead of deleting Linux installs. FWIW as I already pointed out, I
don't recommend Linux myself to everybody, since for some people Linux
the wrong choice.




From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 20:04:17 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:04:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Yes, those are all fair points. What about the rest of the questions? Lets
take the non-tools for example, as you're the author of them. With the
non-tools, what do you think users (current as well as potential future
ones) could do better in terms of bug reporting? How can a user (read: one
without the ability or desire to learn how to code) contribute to the
non-tools?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If we move past the current arguments of "don't complain about free
>> stuff", there's something pretty interesting to discuss that we all could
>> benefit from; how do we make this better?
>>
>> From both a user and a developers standpoint, how do we make this
>> interaction better? What can users do to provide better bug reports, and
>> how should they be handled? Are there guidelines for most projects as to
>> how users should report bugs? Can we simplify this bugreporting somehow for
>> the user, and at the same time make it more powerful to the dev?
>>
>> What does developers think is lacking in this interaction right now? What
>> does users think's lacking?
>>
>> One point Hermann made is that devs more or less only gets contacted when
>> there's something wrong with their application. I can really see how that
>> is, and that's very unfortunate. For me, one of the greatest draws to Linux
>> Audio is the fact that I can so easily interact with the people who write
>> the applications I use. A tighter community integration would be great for
>> most people. We have forums like Linuxmusicians.com, which might be a bit
>> more laid back than the projects official forums. Maybe we could try and
>> use LM-forums as a gathering point for the community for real? If we make
>> sure every project that wants gets its own sub-forum, getting together and
>> both discussing as well as helping each other gets very easy. Any thoughts
>> on that idea?
>>
>> For me personally as a user, I can subscribe to a lot of Louigi's
>> thoughts. The applications I use more or less always has some fairly basic
>> functionality that's either half or fully broken. Even if there's reports
>> and a will to help debug, there's only so much one (or at best, a handful)
>> developer can do. What's basic and a *must* functionality for me, might not
>> at all be important to the rest. This is a reality, but can we make it
>> better?
>>
>> Please feel free to answer any of my questions here. I'd love to hear
>> what both developers and users have to say about this, as this is something
>> that
>>
>>
> The fact of the matter is, if you have a feature that is non-trivial,
> critical to you, and not critical to others (especially the developer), you
> have the following options:
>
> 1) pick a more appropriate tool. The natural instinct of a user is to
> INSIST that the feature X they want should be integrated into software Y,
> when really the feature may have nothing to do with Y at all, it just
> happens to be the software they're working with at the moment. This force
> should not be underestimated, as it is a very real effect and one of the
> major causes of software bloat. Chances are that some other program exists
> that was DESIGNED to do X and does it well. This is why we have DAWs that
> burn CDs and text editors that play tetris and browse the web--and the
> general result is a lot of software that does the same thing poorly rather
> than a little bit of software that does it well.
>
> 2) make a convincing case to the developer (maybe even one not connected
> to the project you want to change). Programmers work for free in a large
> part because it can be fun. They will only work for free on fun things. For
> unfun things, you have to pay them boatloads of money. If you have a
> feature that you consider important--convincing the developer that it's
> importand and interesting is going to be a lot more effective than just
> whinging about how badly you need it.
>
> 3) pay for it. 60% of the time, it works every time.
>
> 4) Do it your own damn self. I'm dead serious here. This is how users
> become developers. They identify a need that only they have, or in a domain
> that only they understand well enough to devise a solution. Either by
> patching existing software (a hell of a lot easier than you think!) or by
> starting something from scratch (goodbye nights and weekends! but hello
> personal improvement and satisfaction). Many great free-software projects
> started out this way.
>
>
>
>
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From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 16 20:15:36 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:15:36 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, August 16, 2013 1:04 pm, Gabbe Nord wrote:
> Yes, those are all fair points. What about the rest of the questions? Lets
> take the non-tools for example, as you're the author of them. With the
> non-tools, what do you think users (current as well as potential future
> ones) could do better in terms of bug reporting? How can a user (read: one
> without the ability or desire to learn how to code) contribute to the
> non-tools?

I would add to that "not able to code", not able to even understand "send
us a diff file" (something that can mean different things to different
people and has more than one format and requires the ability to install a
src file and understand where something should be in a package)


-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 20:44:49 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:44:49 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, those are all fair points. What about the rest of the questions? Lets
> take the non-tools for example, as you're the author of them. With the
> non-tools, what do you think users (current as well as potential future
> ones) could do better in terms of bug reporting? How can a user (read: one
> without the ability or desire to learn how to code) contribute to the
> non-tools?
>

Bug reports are an entirely different problem. It's very hard to get a
quality bug report. They vary quite a bit. Often they are of the form "X
doesn't work properly". That's about as helpful as a handful of sand in the
eyes. It doesn't define 'properly', it doesn't explain how the user
determined that X doesn't meet that definition, it doesn't say what version
of X, where it was aquired, how it was built, on what system it was running
etc, and it is just lacking information in general. On the flip side, lots
of bug reports (this is especially true of automatically generated ones)
include pages and pages of backtraces and dumps, but don't give any other
context, such as what the user was trying to accomplish at the time (often
an extremely important piece of information!).

I have an article about how to prepare bug reports here:

http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/BugReports

But the issue has been covered at length elsewhere. Often the backtraces
etc are not even required, what is required is full disclosure on what the
user did and why--preferably without judgements or accusations (these often
backfire anyway, as a fair percentage of bugs can indeed be attributed to
user error, system configuration, or some other thing that is completely
outside the control of the developer).

Personally, I respond best to interesting ideas. If someone has a use case
for my software that I know I'll never personally need, but it's an
interesting an appropriate use case, I'm very likely to go ahead and put in
the time to implement it. Donations are always rewarding as well, they are
a very tangible way of saying 'thank you' and 'I like this'. Lots of people
will /say/ they love your work, but few will prove it by contibuting
(anything). As is true of most projects, I don't get many donations (that's
another topic entirely!), but I have had a few power users donate
considerable sums, and discussing changes with them feels a lot more like
collaboration than it does answering demands from those who contribute
nothing.

I'm also very likley to accept patches, and willing to offer lots of help
understanding the code and design for those who want to extend the
software--even if it's in a direction that I don't agree with and wouldn't
merge into the mainline.

Testing is also appreciated. The best testing is acutal use and lots of bug
reports! It sucks to put out a 'stable' release and *then* get the bug
reports.

Hope some of this was helpful!
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From djdualcore at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 22:29:23 2013
From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:29:23 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:53 AM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

> 4) Do it your own damn self. I'm dead serious here. This is how users
> become developers. They identify a need that only they have, or in a domain
> that only they understand well enough to devise a solution. Either by
> patching existing software (a hell of a lot easier than you think!) or by
> starting something from scratch (goodbye nights and weekends! but hello
> personal improvement and satisfaction). Many great free-software projects
> started out this way.



I'm 43.  I've been working in IT for 20 years.  I'm taking my first ever
programming class (Python).  The preceding paragraph nicely sums up one of
my reasons.

Neil
-- 
DJ Dual Core's Blog
http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/
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From brummer- at web.de  Sat Aug 17 04:55:29 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 06:55:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Am 16.08.2013 19:23, schrieb Egor Sanin:
> I shall contiribute my voice, too.
>
> On 8/16/13, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
> [SNIP]
>> Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way
>> around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't
>> burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there
>> asses.
>>
>> If you see a other way, let us know.
> It is important to note that time is a finite quantity in the physical
> reality we are all a part of.  This fact limits the amount of "work"
> any one person can perform.

It's also important to get the point that Luigi talk about "getting tired"
and not about "running out of time".

If you get "tired", and want to reach a goal, you have to . . . move 
yourself.

> "Work" can be of different types.  The comment above suggests to me
> the opinion that the "work" of developers is of higher value because
> to become a developer one has to "move their ass."  The problem with
> this statement when talking about audio software is that just having
> the software is pointless.  The software is made to be used to create
> music, or at least some sort of audio output.  People producing this
> output, often called musicians, also need to do a lot of "work."  To
> be a musician, one must also "move their ass."

Maybe it suggest this opinion to you, because you want to read exactly this
in my lines. But that is just your interpretation of what I've wrote,
if you take my words back in context, you may come to a other 
interpretation.

> The "work" of musicians is different, but no less valuable than the
> "work" of developers, so let's not get our egos too hot here.  Just
> because one person does not have enough time to perform developer
> "work" because most of his time is spent doing musician "work" (please
> research the amount of music that OP has produced with Linux audio
> software) is no reason to make him a scapegoat.

Most linux audio developers been musicians to, and love to
spend there free time in make music as well.


> And a not on the "goal" of OP's podcasts (I am not speaking for him,
> rather simply providing my interpretation): a piece of criticism is
> usually created to generate discussion.  In the most basic form, this
> is enough of a reason to do something.

Coming back to your time arg, then I would say, the time would be better 
used
by just fill this bug report. ;-)


From jamshark70 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 05:18:52 2013
From: jamshark70 at gmail.com (James Harkins)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:18:52 +0800
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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Ralf wrote:

> There's a difference between art and tools released for the public. Art,
excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.

Interesting comment, off topic from the original thread so I'll spawn a new
one.

I don't entirely agree that art should not suit to anything. I come to feel
more and more that art doesn't exist without a subculture, and people make
art/music/fashion etc to appeal to one or more subcultures. There are
possible exceptions (Harry Partsch, perhaps) but I'd argue those are
extremely rare.

Many western classical composers in the early twentieth century argued for
"music for its own sake" -- music that captures a glimpse of the Eternal
and thus whose artistic merit transcends human relationships. But of
course, it's all tap-room banter without a community of musicians and
listeners who agree with that idea! So this was just another musical
culture (which sought to pretend that it was beyond culture).

This is, of course, not to say that artists must obey subcultural
expectations and have no autonomy. Most (western) musical subcultures value
surprise (except the aforementioned generic radio pop). I think artistic
autonomy is always in a balance, or tension, with the artist's chosen
scene. One of the decisions an artist has to make is where to position
herself on the continuum between participating in a musical community
(adhering to its standards) and critiquing its norms or expanding the
subculture's boundaries. Many are not aware that this is a choice -- hence
the bands or singers who sound just like everybody else in the genre. But
part of my point is that participating in a musical culture is not "less
than" breaking molds.

All this is from a western perspective, of course. Some non-European
musical cultures (I'm thinking of the amazing music of the Aka pygmies)
seem to place no value at all on individual autonomy in music... that is,
autonomy is not a universal value.

hjh
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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 09:04:43 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:04:43 +0200
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Great response!

I think you're touching on what I perceive as one of the bigger potentials
in linux audio - the community integration. Perhaps a no brainer given it
open source, but still not something I feel has reached its potential just
yet. Like I said before, one of the biggest draws for me is the possibility
to interact both with the people that make the software, and also the
people who use it the same way I do. I completely understand that no dev
will sacrifice their free time to develop something they don't find
interesting. I wouldn't be making music in a style I don't find
interesting.

However, there's so much other, different things users can do. Something
that's usually a bit lacking in audio software is tutorials and examples of
actual usage of the applications. I can't even count the number of times
I've read about or seen interesting software, but just couldn't figure the
software out. This is something that users can contribute without
necessarily needing any advanced knowledge of debugging etc. Now that the
sync issue with screen casting is solved as well, we should have a good
basis for doing that. I will actually look in to doing something like that
this weekend, just to show I'm not just talk ;-)

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, those are all fair points. What about the rest of the questions? Lets
> take the non-tools for example, as you're the author of them. With the
> non-tools, what do you think users (current as well as potential future
> ones) could do better in terms of bug reporting? How can a user (read: one
> without the ability or desire to learn how to code) contribute to the
> non-tools?
>

Bug reports are an entirely different problem. It's very hard to get a
quality bug report. They vary quite a bit. Often they are of the form "X
doesn't work properly". That's about as helpful as a handful of sand in the
eyes. It doesn't define 'properly', it doesn't explain how the user
determined that X doesn't meet that definition, it doesn't say what version
of X, where it was aquired, how it was built, on what system it was running
etc, and it is just lacking information in general. On the flip side, lots
of bug reports (this is especially true of automatically generated ones)
include pages and pages of backtraces and dumps, but don't give any other
context, such as what the user was trying to accomplish at the time (often
an extremely important piece of information!).

I have an article about how to prepare bug reports here:

http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/BugReports

But the issue has been covered at length elsewhere. Often the backtraces
etc are not even required, what is required is full disclosure on what the
user did and why--preferably without judgements or accusations (these often
backfire anyway, as a fair percentage of bugs can indeed be attributed to
user error, system configuration, or some other thing that is completely
outside the control of the developer).

Personally, I respond best to interesting ideas. If someone has a use case
for my software that I know I'll never personally need, but it's an
interesting an appropriate use case, I'm very likely to go ahead and put in
the time to implement it. Donations are always rewarding as well, they are
a very tangible way of saying 'thank you' and 'I like this'. Lots of people
will /say/ they love your work, but few will prove it by contibuting
(anything). As is true of most projects, I don't get many donations (that's
another topic entirely!), but I have had a few power users donate
considerable sums, and discussing changes with them feels a lot more like
collaboration than it does answering demands from those who contribute
nothing.

I'm also very likley to accept patches, and willing to offer lots of help
understanding the code and design for those who want to extend the
software--even if it's in a direction that I don't agree with and wouldn't
merge into the mainline.

Testing is also appreciated. The best testing is acutal use and lots of bug
reports! It sucks to put out a 'stable' release and *then* get the bug
reports.

Hope some of this was helpful!
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 17 09:53:07 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:53:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 13:18 +0800, James Harkins wrote:
> Ralf wrote:
> 
> > There's a difference between art and tools released for the public.
> > Art, excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.

This is a simplified statement. I guess it's Woody Allen's "Hannah and
Her Sisters" were somebody wanted to buy a painting, that should fit to
the color of the sofa. Design isn't the same as art, handcrafts isn't
the same as art. Sure, art you like will fit to your psyche, but it's
not the target to please people, it should give people a wake call.

Regards,
Ralf


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 17 10:05:14 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 12:05:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 11:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 13:18 +0800, James Harkins wrote:
> > Ralf wrote:
> > 
> > > There's a difference between art and tools released for the public.
> > > Art, excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.
> 
> This is a simplified statement. I guess it's Woody Allen's "Hannah and
> Her Sisters" were somebody wanted to buy a painting, that should fit to
> the color of the sofa. Design isn't the same as art, handcrafts isn't
> the same as art. Sure, art you like will fit to your psyche, but it's
> not the target to please people, it should give people a wake call.

PS: Still simplified, entertainment can be art too and shouldn't give
people a wake call, but just entertain ;). It's an extensive subject and
the boarder between art and not art is without any transition. Folk art
e.g. does have all kinds of "tasks", one is to suite, to decorate.


From jamshark70 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 13:36:34 2013
From: jamshark70 at gmail.com (James Harkins)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:36:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at ...> writes:

> On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 13:18 +0800, James Harkins wrote:
> > Ralf wrote:
> > 
> > > There's a difference between art and tools released for the public.
> > > Art, excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.
> 
> This is a simplified statement. I guess it's Woody Allen's "Hannah and
> Her Sisters" were somebody wanted to buy a painting, that should fit to
> the color of the sofa. Design isn't the same as art, handcrafts isn't
> the same as art. Sure, art you like will fit to your psyche, but it's
> not the target to please people, it should give people a wake call.

Part of my point is that this wake-up call depends on the existence of an 
audience (even if only a small audience) that *wants* a wake-up call -- an 
audience that takes pleasure in getting smacked upside the head with something 
they never heard before. The wake-up call function of music may be a feature 
of this or that musical subculture, but I'm not sure that it has any meaning 
independent of a musical community that supports it.

hjh


From brent at keycorner.org  Sat Aug 17 18:04:55 2013
From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:04:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2013, James Harkins wrote:

> I don't entirely agree that art should not suit to anything. I come to 
> feel more and more that art doesn't exist without a subculture, and 
> people make art/music/fashion etc to appeal to one or more 
> subcultures. There are possible exceptions (Harry Partsch, perhaps) 
> but I'd argue those are extremely rare.

I'd agree completely with that.  In fact, that may be exactly what's 
been wrong with pop music since about 1997 or so -- there is no 
subculture.  In fact, apart from the electronic(a) movement and its 
various sub-genres, the one thing that immediately strikes me about pop 
music after grunge is that it has no name, no statement, no people, no 
look, and no intent.  It's just a bunch of a assorted songs from various 
labels which, while they all seem to be trying to co-opt some sort of 
look or feel from the past, don't actually have anything in common or 
seem to be in unison trying to say anything.  In all the years that rock 
music (and its offspring) have existed since 1955 or so, that has never 
happened before, and is probably the best argument that rock music has 
stopped evolving and has become like jazz -- an important style that's 
well on its way at this point to being taught in college courses.  The 
last prevalent style movement that had a name and a look and a 
subculture was grunge/alternative in the mid-90's.  Fashion and music 
have been on auto-pilot ever since, for lack of any concrete direction. 
(I wasn't much of a fan of grunge, so I'm not defending it as some sort 
of golden age -- just acknowledging that it was a real rock movement, 
and it looks like maybe the last one ever.)

> Many western classical composers in the early twentieth century argued 
> for "music for its own sake" -- music that captures a glimpse of the 
> Eternal and thus whose artistic merit transcends human relationships. 
> But of course, it's all tap-room banter without a community of 
> musicians and listeners who agree with that idea! So this was just 
> another musical culture (which sought to pretend that it was beyond 
> culture).

One could actually argue that the musical conservatory type culture they 
had created between themselves and their audiences was a subculture in 
itself, with far more direction than the post-1997 top-40.

The ironic thing about all of this is that the most potent rock 
subculture ever, the psychedelic period in the 60's, was very political, 
and happened in an evironment that's very similar to where we are now -- 
questionable foreign wars, questionable executive branch practices (from 
both parties), massive popular disapproval of the US government. 
Except this time, music and art is strangely silent about it all.  One 
would think in times like these, artists would not need to be coaxed to 
make a statement.

-- 
+ Brent A. Busby	 + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +  banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago	 +  eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ James Franck Institute +  Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ Materials Research Ctr +  we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

From len at ovenwerks.net  Sat Aug 17 18:28:15 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:28:15 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, August 17, 2013 11:04 am, Brent Busby wrote:

> The ironic thing about all of this is that the most potent rock
> subculture ever, the psychedelic period in the 60's, was very political,
> and happened in an evironment that's very similar to where we are now --
> questionable foreign wars, questionable executive branch practices (from
> both parties), massive popular disapproval of the US government.
> Except this time, music and art is strangely silent about it all.  One
> would think in times like these, artists would not need to be coaxed to
> make a statement.

The thing is, we do not live in a democracy. We seem to have a practical
anarchy. That is whoever has the biggest stick leads. (whatever that stick
might be) A lot of that stick seems to belong to those who release music
and other art, who have seen these things as a way of training the main
population to act a certain way that will meet their ends. Where are the
singer/songwriters? They are still around, but not on the
radio/itunes/record store/whatever. One has to search for self-released
stuff on private web sites for the most part. I would suggest that
political art that is counter power is actively suppressed. Even through
small acts like forcing utube to remove content for copyright purposes
without any need of proof. Protests are squashed much more
quickly/violently now too, and protestors labelled as terrorists. The
average radio artist is chosen for their malleability and told very firmly
what songs they will sing and how those songs will be represented in a
video. They have the name "star", but they are just an employee.

-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 17 19:05:07 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:05:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 13:04 -0500, Brent Busby wrote:
> grunge

Hi Brent :)

I was born in 1966, IOW I'm from the so called "generation x" and btw.
I'm a rock/pop musician. "Grunge" is a name invented by music reviewers,
they needed to pigeonholed something they completely didn't understand.
There is a mainstream calling itself grunge, but don't call the
"subculture" "grunge", some consider this as insult. Don't worry, I
don't care about it.
There's no clear boarder between art and not art.

At the moment John Zorn's statement "Jazz Snobs Eat Shit" comes to mind,
too funny that he became a snob himself. At some point art can become
non-art. FWIW Rock music only can be learned in the streets, forests
etc., but not in a school.

Lauri Anderson: "Talking about music is like dancing about
architecture."

Let's make what we consider to be art, instead of talking about it ;).

Regards,
Ralf


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 17 19:13:44 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:13:44 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 11:28 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
> The thing is, we do not live in a democracy. We seem to have a practical
> anarchy. That is whoever has the biggest stick leads. (whatever that stick
> might be) A lot of that stick seems to belong to those who release music
> and other art, who have seen these things as a way of training the main
> population to act a certain way that will meet their ends. Where are the
> singer/songwriters? They are still around, but not on the
> radio/itunes/record store/whatever. One has to search for self-released
> stuff on private web sites for the most part. I would suggest that
> political art that is counter power is actively suppressed. Even through
> small acts like forcing utube to remove content for copyright purposes
> without any need of proof. Protests are squashed much more
> quickly/violently now too, and protestors labelled as terrorists. The
> average radio artist is chosen for their malleability and told very firmly
> what songs they will sing and how those songs will be represented in a
> video. They have the name "star", but they are just an employee.
> 

Full ACK, but btw. in the 60s there already was a great rock'n'roll
swindle. Snobs like Malcolm McLaren already started before the 70s with
their capitalistic fraud.


From brent at keycorner.org  Sat Aug 17 19:24:26 2013
From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:24:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> I was born in 1966, IOW I'm from the so called "generation x" and btw. 
> I'm a rock/pop musician. "Grunge" is a name invented by music 
> reviewers, they needed to pigeonholed something they completely didn't 
> understand. There is a mainstream calling itself grunge, but don't 
> call the "subculture" "grunge", some consider this as insult. Don't 
> worry, I don't care about it.

Oh I know.  New wave (and its derivitives) were the same way -- the 
artists mostly hated the term, and some say it was an invention of Sire 
Records.  It's still what everybody ended up calling it though.  Grunge 
was probably more an invention of Viacom (who were directing MTV by that 
time instead of Time/Warner before them) rather than any kind of a real 
movement in Seattle, but it still ended up being something big with a 
look and a sound to it, and people in the population who had adopted it, 
even if its start was a bit contrived.

On the other hand, if there's a popular social movement somewhere behind 
2000's pop music, I've missed it.

-- 
+ Brent A. Busby	 + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +  banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago	 +  eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ James Franck Institute +  Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ Materials Research Ctr +  we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Sat Aug 17 19:32:56 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:32:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On 08/17/2013 08:04 PM, Brent Busby wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2013, James Harkins wrote:
> 
>> I don't entirely agree that art should not suit to anything. I come to
>> feel more and more that art doesn't exist without a subculture, and
>> people make art/music/fashion etc to appeal to one or more
>> subcultures. There are possible exceptions (Harry Partsch, perhaps)
>> but I'd argue those are extremely rare.
> 
> I'd agree completely with that.  In fact, that may be exactly what's
> been wrong with pop music since about 1997 or so -- there is no
> subculture.  In fact, apart from the electronic(a) movement and its
> various sub-genres, the one thing that immediately strikes me about pop
> music after grunge is that it has no name, no statement, no people, no
> look, and no intent.  It's just a bunch of a assorted songs from various
> labels which, while they all seem to be trying to co-opt some sort of
> look or feel from the past, don't actually have anything in common or
> seem to be in unison trying to say anything.  In all the years that rock
> music (and its offspring) have existed since 1955 or so, that has never
> happened before, and is probably the best argument that rock music has
> stopped evolving and has become like jazz -- an important style that's
> well on its way at this point to being taught in college courses.  The
> last prevalent style movement that had a name and a look and a
> subculture was grunge/alternative in the mid-90's.  Fashion and music
> have been on auto-pilot ever since, for lack of any concrete direction.
> (I wasn't much of a fan of grunge, so I'm not defending it as some sort
> of golden age -- just acknowledging that it was a real rock movement,
> and it looks like maybe the last one ever.)
> 

There have been pop music sub-cultures after grunge, like postrock,
mathrock and emo for example. Especially emo was a very big subculture
with quite some influence on contemporary music and even fashion since
it was the emo kids that started wearing skinny jeans and shirts, had
their hair like Justin Bieber when he was still in his diapers, boosted
the sales of classic Vans shoes and made the so-called 'sleeve' popular
(fully tattood arm). Besides their own clothing code they also had their
own dance (anyone recall violent dancing?). But postrock and mathrock
and all of its sub-genres (like jazzcore, what's in a name) are indeed
genres that are like jazz. So I'd say emo was the last prevalent style
movement that didn't co-op a look or feel from the past.

>> Many western classical composers in the early twentieth century argued
>> for "music for its own sake" -- music that captures a glimpse of the
>> Eternal and thus whose artistic merit transcends human relationships.
>> But of course, it's all tap-room banter without a community of
>> musicians and listeners who agree with that idea! So this was just
>> another musical culture (which sought to pretend that it was beyond
>> culture).
> 
> One could actually argue that the musical conservatory type culture they
> had created between themselves and their audiences was a subculture in
> itself, with far more direction than the post-1997 top-40.
> 
> The ironic thing about all of this is that the most potent rock
> subculture ever, the psychedelic period in the 60's, was very political,
> and happened in an evironment that's very similar to where we are now --
> questionable foreign wars, questionable executive branch practices (from
> both parties), massive popular disapproval of the US government. Except
> this time, music and art is strangely silent about it all.  One would
> think in times like these, artists would not need to be coaxed to make a
> statement.
> 

But making political statements doesn't go well with individualism. A
lot of artists barely make statements, they only make music centered
around themselves. I think this tendency also contributes to the fact
that no new exciting genres pop up anymore. Artists are so busy with
themselves that they barely care about what others are doing.

Jeremy

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From djdualcore at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 20:30:12 2013
From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:30:12 -0500
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

> Lauri Anderson: "Talking about music is like dancing about
> architecture."
>


When Laurie Anderson said that on a radio special promoting Home Of The
Brave (I happen to have the vinyl) she attributed it to Steve Martin, which
(surprisingly) is wrong.  Nobody knows who said it first, but variations on
it go back at least the turn of the LAST century.

That's why it has been attributed to everybody from Anderson to Zappa to
various journalists; it's more of an "old saying" than a contemporary quote.

http://www.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm

-- 
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http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Aug 17 21:15:27 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:15:27 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On 08/16/2013 07:18 PM, James Harkins wrote:
> Ralf wrote:
>
>  > There's a difference between art and tools released for the public.
> Art, excepted of the crap on the radio, should not suit to anything.
>
> Interesting comment, off topic from the original thread so I'll spawn a
> new one.
>
> I don't entirely agree that art should not suit to anything. I come to
> feel more and more that art doesn't exist without a subculture, and
> people make art/music/fashion etc to appeal to one or more subcultures.
> There are possible exceptions (Harry Partsch, perhaps) but I'd argue
> those are extremely rare.
>
> Many western classical composers in the early twentieth century argued
> for "music for its own sake" -- music that captures a glimpse of the
> Eternal and thus whose artistic merit transcends human relationships.
> But of course, it's all tap-room banter without a community of musicians
> and listeners who agree with that idea! So this was just another musical
> culture (which sought to pretend that it was beyond culture).
>
> This is, of course, not to say that artists must obey subcultural
> expectations and have no autonomy. Most (western) musical subcultures
> value surprise (except the aforementioned generic radio pop). I think
> artistic autonomy is always in a balance, or tension, with the artist's
> chosen scene. One of the decisions an artist has to make is where to
> position herself on the continuum between participating in a musical
> community (adhering to its standards) and critiquing its norms or
> expanding the subculture's boundaries. Many are not aware that this is a
> choice -- hence the bands or singers who sound just like everybody else
> in the genre. But part of my point is that participating in a musical
> culture is not "less than" breaking molds.
>
> All this is from a western perspective, of course. Some non-European
> musical cultures (I'm thinking of the amazing music of the Aka pygmies)
> seem to place no value at all on individual autonomy in music... that
> is, autonomy is not a universal value.

In the Western music history, music was very much part of the culture 
and community (not a subculture!), universally part of building cultural 
cohesion. Look at folk and dance music going way back. Modern example, 
for me, is square dance music. The "modern" disco-style emphasis on 
individuals standing out is a late arriving alien.

Nothing made by humans is beyond culture, since all humans are embedded 
in at least one culture. Even if an individual is rebelling against 
their culture, their rebellion is formed by the culture they're 
rebelling against.

My non-musical artist daughter says that if a piece of art doesn't 
communicate, it's not art; it's just a "spot on the wall."

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 17 21:40:52 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:40:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 11:15 -1000, david wrote:
> My non-musical artist daughter says that if a piece of art doesn't 
> communicate, it's not art; it's just a "spot on the wall."

I agree, but it's said that if something doesn't communicate, it does
communicate that it doesn't communicate, IOW it's impossible not to
communicate.

> Nothing made by humans is beyond culture, since all humans are
> embedded in at least one culture.

Yesno, you for example could care about something while being against
it, e.g. by using an inverted cross, but you also can ignore what you
don't like, e.g. don't fight against "organized Christianity", but
against lies per se, you won't find a cross or an inverted cross among
my things, I simply don't care about it, OTOH there are "things" that
shaped us, e.g. Christian values, while not being a Christian. Christian
or not, less of us will kill our daughters, if she is in love with a man
we don't like, this is completely different for other cultures, ... what
I want to point out is, that artists should be philosophers. It doesn't
matter what culture does surround us, we're searching for something and
the result of such a search might fit or not fit to the culture
surrounding us. This isn't rebellion, but might be worth to send a
message by making art.


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Aug 17 22:00:00 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:00:00 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 09:53:13AM -0700, J. Liles wrote:

> 4) Do it your own damn self. I'm dead serious here. This is
> how users become developers. 

This is also how we get EQ plugins that

* reduce you S/N to 50 dB or less when given LF input,
* become unstable for some settings of the controls,
  or when you move them too fast (good way to blow up
  your tweeters),
* display a graphical frequency response which is not 
  the actual one, in some cases not even close,

and dynamic processors that

* claim an attack time of less than a millisecond but
  are insensitive to much slower variations in level,
* are completely unusable if you care a bit about signal
  quality,

and autotuners that massacre your signal, and all sorts
of processors with controls that are usable over less
than five percent of their range and/or produce massive
thumps when moved, etc. etc.

These are not 'bugs' that can be put right by a few
patches. This is would-be developers who do know just
enough about programming to modify some example code,
but little or nothing about audio nor DSP, and who
naively implement some equations from a textbook (in
the best case) or some web page (in most cases) without
even a hint of understanding what it does. This is why
at least 70% of all LADSPA plugins ever developed are
completely useless.

Sure, not all programming is DSP, and for most 'big'
audio-related apps the DSP parts may just be a tiny
fraction of the code. But in many cases the same 
careless attitude is prevalent when developing the
non-DSP parts.

One-liners are usually little more than peptalk
promoted by the prevailing topdogs, and I tend to
ignore them. But there is one that is IHMO very
wrong, and that's the popular 'release early'
(and often). Please don't. Make at least sure your
stuff works. Test it. Measure it. On nice aspect
of free software development is that you can work
without company policies, quality and marketing
departments, and supervisors looking over your
shoulder. Which in the end means that you, the
developer, and only you, have to assume your
responsability.


Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 01:11:18 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 02:11:18 +0100
Subject: [LAU] LMMS made Trap and Drum & Bass
Message-ID: <CAKudYbMfECUWROFerhPRfNj22WqfudN7W-FrNWZL_62BmJ_8Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody,

I've been having lots of fun with LMMS this evening, and have created two
tunes.
The first one is of the Trap genre, while the second is a type of relaxed
DnB.

I've uploaded the LMMS files to the "Sharing Platform", so anybody can
download them, edit them and use them. They *don't* use any external
samples, so a default LMMS install and the calf plugin pack installed is
all that's needed!

Trap:
https://soundcloud.com/harryhaaren/trapped
http://lmms.sourceforge.net/lsp/lsp_dl.php?file=4146&name=trap.mmpz

DnB:
https://soundcloud.com/harryhaaren/drum-bass-melody
http://lmms.sourceforge.net/lsp/lsp_dl.php?file=4147&name=dnb.mmpz

I've over-compressed them both.. to place them solidly in the "electro"
genre :)
Opinions & constructive criticism welcomed! -Harry

Direct downloads:
Trap: http://bit.ly/1dhSnvq
DnB: http://bit.ly/1cW3F9X
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 02:29:25 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:29:25 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 09:53:13AM -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>
> > 4) Do it your own damn self. I'm dead serious here. This is
> > how users become developers.
>
> This is also how we get EQ plugins that
>
> * reduce you S/N to 50 dB or less when given LF input,
> * become unstable for some settings of the controls,
>   or when you move them too fast (good way to blow up
>   your tweeters),
> * display a graphical frequency response which is not
>   the actual one, in some cases not even close,
>
> and dynamic processors that
>
> * claim an attack time of less than a millisecond but
>   are insensitive to much slower variations in level,
> * are completely unusable if you care a bit about signal
>   quality,
>
> and autotuners that massacre your signal, and all sorts
> of processors with controls that are usable over less
> than five percent of their range and/or produce massive
> thumps when moved, etc. etc.
>
> These are not 'bugs' that can be put right by a few
> patches. This is would-be developers who do know just
> enough about programming to modify some example code,
> but little or nothing about audio nor DSP, and who
> naively implement some equations from a textbook (in
> the best case) or some web page (in most cases) without
> even a hint of understanding what it does. This is why
> at least 70% of all LADSPA plugins ever developed are
> completely useless.
>
> Sure, not all programming is DSP, and for most 'big'
> audio-related apps the DSP parts may just be a tiny
> fraction of the code. But in many cases the same
> careless attitude is prevalent when developing the
> non-DSP parts.
>
> One-liners are usually little more than peptalk
> promoted by the prevailing topdogs, and I tend to
> ignore them. But there is one that is IHMO very
> wrong, and that's the popular 'release early'
> (and often). Please don't. Make at least sure your
> stuff works. Test it. Measure it. On nice aspect
> of free software development is that you can work
> without company policies, quality and marketing
> departments, and supervisors looking over your
> shoulder. Which in the end means that you, the
> developer, and only you, have to assume your
> responsability.


I completely agree. But I really think this is a more general problem. Most
plugins are crap. That's a fact. LADSPA, LV2, VST, AU, whatever. Most of
them are ununique, incomplete, poorly thought out, devoid of QA, etc. I
think it would be generous to say that 10% of plugins are useful. But since
when are we talking about plugins?

There are a few reasons for this:

1) they are easy to write.
2) they never die.
3) users often can't tell the difference between a good one and a bad one
(not being a jerk here--but it's not like people are doing rigorous ABX
testing on this stuff. You add a shiny Calf plugin to a mix and you think
it makes a difference. Half the time it could be a no-op or badly degrade
the sound an and few people would notice the difference).

The reason for #2 is that for some reason nobody writes about or reviews
them in any meaningful way (no frequency analysis, denormal testing, CPU
load figures, etc.) and each individual user has to go through and discover
which ones are usable and which ones aren't. The other part of the problem
is that (at least LADSPA) plugins are distributed in huge batches, all
together in one .so with say 5 usable plugins and 30 that either do
nothing, crash the host, or make horrible tweater destroying noises. This
prevents distros from e.g. filtering out the crap plugins based on package
installation stats.

It's so bad that I've considered just doing an audit myself and repackaging
the say 20 LADSPA plugins that are of any use--but being lumped together in
an .so with a bunch of crap makes this a pain. Perhaps a community run wiki
review/rating/whitelist system would be more effective (users could choose
to only use 2+ star plugins or whatnot).

There's a whole different problem of branding/marketing and the
misconception that there are even enough unique DSP tasks that anyone would
require 100s of plugins. The truth is, anyone only needs a handful of basic
plugins: the rest is permutations.

But I don't think this discussion was ever really about hardcore DSP
programming. 90% of applications is user interface. And anybody can learn
anything. Everybody starts somehwere. As charming as it may be to think of
you this way, Fons, I doubt that even you were born already being a DSP
guru.
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Sun Aug 18 05:48:32 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:48:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] LMMS made Trap and Drum & Bass
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Hello Harry!
   First I ahve to thank you for the supplied "direct download" links and even 
for wav-files!
   The songs themselves basicly appeal to me in so far as they are both in a 
minor key. I like the synth of the first song. I didn't know trap as a genre. 
Though having heard it now, I think, I've heard it before, though not in such 
a prominent position. It works very well with all the sounds, that you've used 
for it.
   The drum and bass piece is less to my liking. The rhythm is there, although 
it might hve had more breaks. The whole arrangement sounds rather bleak, 
almost empty. the bass might have been better off a little more up front. the 
emptiness? Perhaps the beat is too empty? A cymbal might have been nice. I 
can't lay my finger on it really. But the drumkit certainly is delivered too 
dry somehow. That might mean effects or different sounds all together. the 
idea is sound and good. Small and flowing, not overwhelming the listener, 
which it shouldn't in that genre.
   Thank you for sharing those two! It's interesting to see the basic 
generator/production files shared. Not very often that happens. If I had LMMS, 
I'd definitely get them and had some fun...
   Kind regards
           Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz  Sun Aug 18 07:04:52 2013
From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:04:52 +1200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 04:36:20PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 02:08 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Have you ever lost your work under Windows because you didn't save it
> > often?
> 
> I'm not a Windows user. I'm not part of Microsoft's target group.
> Have you ever bought a printer from the supermarket, that didn't work
> with Linux? 

Our Supermarkets don't sell printers, so no.

> I know the answer, you didn't, but the target group for
> Microsoft would do so, because they have a completely different
> knowledge about computers and completely different needs regarding to
> computers than you and I have got.


So you're saying the "Microsoft's target group" are poor clueless
computer users?


I'm saying they BECOME poor clueless computer users BECAUSE of being a
user in the first place!

Have you ever bought a printer and tried to get it to work under
Windows without the original disk?

Have you ever tried to hunt for a driver for a piece of hardware that
was suposedly made for Windows?

The service/repair men must make a packet out of Windows users.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Aug 18 08:26:56 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:26:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 22:00 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 09:53:13AM -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> 
> > 4) Do it your own damn self. I'm dead serious here. This is
> > how users become developers. 
> 
> This is also how we get EQ plugins that
> 
> * reduce you S/N to 50 dB or less when given LF input,
> * become unstable for some settings of the controls,
>   or when you move them too fast (good way to blow up
>   your tweeters),
> * display a graphical frequency response which is not 
>   the actual one, in some cases not even close,
> 
> and dynamic processors that
> 
> * claim an attack time of less than a millisecond but
>   are insensitive to much slower variations in level,
> * are completely unusable if you care a bit about signal
>   quality,
> 
> and autotuners that massacre your signal, and all sorts
> of processors with controls that are usable over less
> than five percent of their range and/or produce massive
> thumps when moved, etc. etc.
> 
> These are not 'bugs' that can be put right by a few
> patches. This is would-be developers who do know just
> enough about programming to modify some example code,
> but little or nothing about audio nor DSP, and who
> naively implement some equations from a textbook (in
> the best case) or some web page (in most cases) without
> even a hint of understanding what it does. This is why
> at least 70% of all LADSPA plugins ever developed are
> completely useless.
> 
> Sure, not all programming is DSP, and for most 'big'
> audio-related apps the DSP parts may just be a tiny
> fraction of the code. But in many cases the same 
> careless attitude is prevalent when developing the
> non-DSP parts.
> 
> One-liners are usually little more than peptalk
> promoted by the prevailing topdogs, and I tend to
> ignore them. But there is one that is IHMO very
> wrong, and that's the popular 'release early'
> (and often). Please don't. Make at least sure your
> stuff works. Test it. Measure it. On nice aspect
> of free software development is that you can work
> without company policies, quality and marketing
> departments, and supervisors looking over your
> shoulder. Which in the end means that you, the
> developer, and only you, have to assume your
> responsability.

That is what I meant when I mentioned that even free as in beer software
that comes with a disclaimer has to provide a little bit of quality. I
disagree that this is important for those audio apps you mentioned, but
it's important for software that has to do with privacy and security.
Sure, a plugin that has tendencies to kill tweeters should be removed
from repositories, or better, never should be available by a repository,
but as long as such software was released with no ill intend, the
disclaimer is a fair way to mention risks and self-responsibility of the
users.

I completely agree that such software can't be fixed and I'm thinking of
software that is less complicated than fourier synthesis. When I
programmed the C64 I didn't fix the programs I wrote as a beginner, when
I became a good coder, I wrote completely new programs. Being a good
coder does mean that you have to keep it rolling. If you would give me a
C64 today I wouldn't be able to write good software anymore. IOW users
can't become coders, when they aren't willing to program regularly. It
should be ok just to be a user. It even should be ok when some people
give absolutely nothing back to the free software community, our
societies are huge and somebody could take from the software community
and give by e.g. doing the shopping for physically disabled people.

Real live is more than just free software, artists should know this.

Regards,
Ralf


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Aug 18 11:25:20 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:25:20 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 07:29:25PM -0700, J. Liles wrote:

> I completely agree. But I really think this is a more general problem. Most
> plugins are crap. That's a fact. LADSPA, LV2, VST, AU, whatever. Most of
> them are ununique, incomplete, poorly thought out, devoid of QA, etc. I
> think it would be generous to say that 10% of plugins are useful. But since
> when are we talking about plugins?

The topic of the thread was about reporting bugs. What should a
user do when he/she encounters things like described above ?

* To report a bug would be completely useless in such a case. *

...

> There's a whole different problem of branding/marketing and the
> misconception that there are even enough unique DSP tasks that anyone would
> require 100s of plugins. The truth is, anyone only needs a handful of basic
> plugins: the rest is permutations.

For normal audio processing (EQ, dynamics, effects,...) that is
true. If you count 'instrument' plugins as well things could look
different. But why should those be plugins in the first place.

...
 
> But I don't think this discussion was ever really about hardcore DSP
> programming. 90% of applications is user interface. And anybody can learn
> anything. Everybody starts somehwere. As charming as it may be to think of
> you this way, Fons, I doubt that even you were born already being a DSP
> guru.

I surely wasn't. And it takes a long time and a lot of effort
to build up both the theoretical knowledge and the skills. And
even more to understand the practical consequences of some of
the standard theory in an audio processing context. It's also
a process that never ends. Just yesterday I discovered some small
but systematic errors in the white noise generator used in e.g.
Jaaa. [*] 

Anyone who's learning this sort of thing and who uses his/her
knowledge to write free software will have my full support.
But I won't do anything to make life easier for those who
just copy some DSP code and wrap a 'shiny GUI' around it, with
as the only result one more that just looks as much as a toy
as most of them do.


Ciao,


[*] Set up Jaaa to measure its own noise output, with averaging.
Zoom in on the vertical axis. The result will never be exactly
flat (as it is a finite lenght average), but the remaining 
errors should be random. If you wait long enough and repeat
this a few times, you'll notice that the small dips of 0.3 dB
or so at around 1, 2 3 kHz are systematic. This was a surprise,
as the noise generator is based on a random number generator
which has a very good reputation - whatever autocorrelation
it hase will probably be insignificant in most applications.
Yet this test will reveal them.

Will be fixed in the next release of course.


-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From djdualcore at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 15:27:48 2013
From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:27:48 -0500
Subject: [LAU] LMMS made Trap and Drum & Bass
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>wrote:

> But the drumkit certainly is delivered too dry somehow.




That's a "thing" in some styles of drum n bass.  Dry, up-front kit with
sci-fi sounds behind.  Personally, I like it.


-- 
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http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/
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From djdualcore at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 15:55:22 2013
From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:55:22 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>wrote:

> Anyone who's learning this sort of thing and who uses his/her
> knowledge to write free software will have my full support.
> But I won't do anything to make life easier for those who
> just copy some DSP code and wrap a 'shiny GUI' around it, with
> as the only result one more that just looks as much as a toy
> as most of them do.
>

Thank's for saying that.  This thread was getting discouraging.

Neil
-- 
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From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sun Aug 18 16:19:24 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:19:24 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:55:22 -0500
Neil <djdualcore at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>wrote:
> 
> > Anyone who's learning this sort of thing and who uses his/her
> > knowledge to write free software will have my full support.
> > But I won't do anything to make life easier for those who
> > just copy some DSP code and wrap a 'shiny GUI' around it, with
> > as the only result one more that just looks as much as a toy
> > as most of them do.
> >
> 
> Thank's for saying that.  This thread was getting discouraging.
> 
> Neil

I would also like to add my *full* support to those who make their own work
freely available.

If I say that some material is not quite up to the standard I would work
to, I'm also quite well aware that much of my work would not be as good as
other peoples.

I try to feed back constructive bug reports on the applications I use. If at
all possible including a step-by-step account of how to trigger it. If it
doesn't get fixed quickly, I don't go into a hissy fit. I recognise that the
original dev. likely has other priorities.

Finally, were it not for the efforts of some very talented programmers I would
not be on this list at all - I wouldn't have the ability to produce the
music that I do. Nor would i have an OS that I can get on with.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 16:43:55 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:43:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface MIDI ports just showing on advanced mode
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5yF=WM0SrBCruNQr+yTZhkuJhvRv3JnS_kL5KQBSaQkxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi dear all.

The MIDI port on my UA25EX just shows up when audio card is in advanced
driver mode, which by now is not the main mode I'm playing because of
problems with this mode on Raspberry PI (for the moment It runs with jack1
and it won't start in advanced mode).

When on normal mode I use jackd, Rakarrack, Sooperlooper etc, but if I want
i.e. route direct the MIDI out of my USB MIDI pedalboard to some piano
keyboard station that can receive MIDI and play bass, harmony and arrange
parts I can't because audio card MIDI port only appears in advance mode (in
ALSA midi tab).

So I have two scenaiors of playing but they're exclusive: Jackd+FXs+looper
etc. or USB MIDI pedalboard routed to midi piano to "autoarrange" myself.

I wonder if any have stumbled upon this problem. I suppose that with Jack2
this won't be a problem, but for now I can't upgrade my RPi to some newer
version tweaked for RPi.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es
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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Sun Aug 18 19:03:09 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:03:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Fear Not [Lazy sunday afternoon ambient]
Message-ID: <52111A6D.3000005@gmx.net>


Hi,

https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/fear-not

[Downloads enabled]

Fundamental said it's generic ambient. I agree, but I still kinda like it.

Have fun,
Flo

From clemens at ladisch.de  Sun Aug 18 19:26:26 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:26:26 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface MIDI ports just showing on advanced mode
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Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
> The MIDI port on my UA25EX just shows up when audio card is in advanced
> driver mode

In Windows, the advanced mode is intended to be used with the Roland
drivers; disabling it should be necessary only when you're using it with
a system where these drivers are not installed.  Due to bugs in the
built-in Windows USB MIDI driver, MIDI is made available only in
advanced mode.

In theory, Linux should support advanced mode.

> which by now is not the main mode I'm playing because of problems with
> this mode on Raspberry PI (for the moment It runs with jack1 and it
> won't start in advanced mode).

Which kernel are you using?  To other programs (i.e., aplay/arecord)
work?

> I suppose that with Jack2 this won't be a problem

If this is a driver problem, Jack2 will not work either.


Regards,
Clemens

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Sun Aug 18 19:32:37 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:32:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface MIDI ports just showing on advanced mode
In-Reply-To: <52111FE2.9010003@ladisch.de>
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On 08/18/2013 09:26 PM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
>> The MIDI port on my UA25EX just shows up when audio card is in advanced
>> driver mode
> 
> In Windows, the advanced mode is intended to be used with the Roland
> drivers; disabling it should be necessary only when you're using it with
> a system where these drivers are not installed.  Due to bugs in the
> built-in Windows USB MIDI driver, MIDI is made available only in
> advanced mode.
> 
> In theory, Linux should support advanced mode.
> 
>> which by now is not the main mode I'm playing because of problems with
>> this mode on Raspberry PI (for the moment It runs with jack1 and it
>> won't start in advanced mode).
> 
> Which kernel are you using?  To other programs (i.e., aplay/arecord)
> work?
> 
>> I suppose that with Jack2 this won't be a problem
> 
> If this is a driver problem, Jack2 will not work either.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clemens


I have the same issue with my UA25 on a Raspberry Pi. With advanced mode
enabled the UA25 simply doesn't work well on the RPi. JACK does start
but a lot of xruns are generated. My guess is that this is probably due
to the poor USB implementation of the RPi. The workaround I use is
adding an extra USB-MIDI cable.

Jeremy

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From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 20:03:19 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:03:19 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 07:29:25PM -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>
> > I completely agree. But I really think this is a more general problem.
> Most
> > plugins are crap. That's a fact. LADSPA, LV2, VST, AU, whatever. Most of
> > them are ununique, incomplete, poorly thought out, devoid of QA, etc. I
> > think it would be generous to say that 10% of plugins are useful. But
> since
> > when are we talking about plugins?
>
> The topic of the thread was about reporting bugs. What should a
> user do when he/she encounters things like described above ?
>
> * To report a bug would be completely useless in such a case. *
>

Not true. The bug report would be useful if it was submitted to the
distribution and the packager decided to just remove the offending plugins
from the distro.

This is why diversity is good. People are free to write as many plugins as
they want of whatever level of quality and as long as we as a community
have the ability to measure and evaluate such things and share our results,
then the bad ones can be weeded out. The problem is, to my knowledge no
LADSPA or LV2 plugin has ever been weeded out! We're doing fine at
producing new ones.


>
> ...
>
> > There's a whole different problem of branding/marketing and the
> > misconception that there are even enough unique DSP tasks that anyone
> would
> > require 100s of plugins. The truth is, anyone only needs a handful of
> basic
> > plugins: the rest is permutations.
>
> For normal audio processing (EQ, dynamics, effects,...) that is
> true. If you count 'instrument' plugins as well things could look
> different. But why should those be plugins in the first place.
>

Yes, sorry, I was referring only to processing plugins, not to synths
(which, depending on their level of complexity, are indeed often better
suited to being applications rather than mere plugins).
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Aug 18 20:46:52 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:46:52 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 01:03:19PM -0700, J. Liles wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>wrote:

> > * To report a bug would be completely useless in such a case. *
> 
> Not true. The bug report would be useful if it was submitted to the
> distribution and the packager decided to just remove the offending plugins
> from the distro.

The net effect would be zero, as you probably know. Packagers would
just refer you upstream.
 
> This is why diversity is good. People are free to write as many plugins as
> they want of whatever level of quality and as long as we as a community
> have the ability to measure and evaluate such things and share our results,
> then the bad ones can be weeded out. The problem is, to my knowledge no
> LADSPA or LV2 plugin has ever been weeded out!

Correct. There is no quality awareness at all. Which means that
even if you write something that does work and package it in one
of the popular formats (e.g. LV2), it just becomes part of the
giant heap of junk. 

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From tim at quitte.de  Sun Aug 18 20:46:13 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:46:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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[J. Liles]
>The problem is, to my knowledge no LADSPA or LV2 plugin has ever been
>weeded out!

There have been quite a few plugins removed from CAPS with the last
major release.

Tim

From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 21:02:24 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:02:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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What plugins are the best according to you Liles, and you Fons? Or anyone
else knowledgable for that matter.

I personally wouldn't catch the difference unless it's something fairly
obvious, but I do agree it's impossible to know which ones are the good
ones in the giant pile that is LADSPA/LV2 plugins...

If you tell me/us that, I'll compile it to a list and put it somewhere
where we can refer people. Preferably the Linuxmusicians or Linux Audio
wiki.

Cheers!


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Tim Goetze <tim at quitte.de> wrote:

> [J. Liles]
> >The problem is, to my knowledge no LADSPA or LV2 plugin has ever been
> >weeded out!
>
> There have been quite a few plugins removed from CAPS with the last
> major release.
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 21:14:04 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:14:04 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> What plugins are the best according to you Liles, and you Fons? Or anyone
> else knowledgable for that matter.
>
> I personally wouldn't catch the difference unless it's something fairly
> obvious, but I do agree it's impossible to know which ones are the good
> ones in the giant pile that is LADSPA/LV2 plugins...
>
> If you tell me/us that, I'll compile it to a list and put it somewhere
> where we can refer people. Preferably the Linuxmusicians or Linux Audio
> wiki.
>
> Cheers!
>

Ah. Good question. Well, I would say that all of Fons plugins are good. Not
necessarily well documented or easy to use, but good.

A quick grep of my song sessions shows the following LADSPA plugin IDs.
This does not necessarily reflect my current working set (which is
definitely smaller), but is all I've got time for at the moment.

1055 1071 1090 1181 1193 1197 1216 1408 1413 1423 1429 1431 1767 1772 1773
1779 1795 1882 1901 1903 1904 1907 1913 1916 1950 1957 1973 1974 1975 1976
2143 2144 2146 2149 2158 2594 3306 3308 3309 4061 4063 4064 4065 4066 4068
4069 6601 6602 6603
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 21:22:51 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:22:51 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What plugins are the best according to you Liles, and you Fons? Or anyone
>> else knowledgable for that matter.
>>
>> I personally wouldn't catch the difference unless it's something fairly
>> obvious, but I do agree it's impossible to know which ones are the good
>> ones in the giant pile that is LADSPA/LV2 plugins...
>>
>> If you tell me/us that, I'll compile it to a list and put it somewhere
>> where we can refer people. Preferably the Linuxmusicians or Linux Audio
>> wiki.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>
> Ah. Good question. Well, I would say that all of Fons plugins are good.
> Not necessarily well documented or easy to use, but good.
>
> A quick grep of my song sessions shows the following LADSPA plugin IDs.
> This does not necessarily reflect my current working set (which is
> definitely smaller), but is all I've got time for at the moment.
>
> 1055 1071 1090 1181 1193 1197 1216 1408 1413 1423 1429 1431 1767 1772 1773
> 1779 1795 1882 1901 1903 1904 1907 1913 1916 1950 1957 1973 1974 1975 1976
> 2143 2144 2146 2149 2158 2594 3306 3308 3309 4061 4063 4064 4065 4066 4068
> 4069 6601 6602 6603
>

And if that's too obscure I've attached it in the form of a Non Mixer
plugin favorites file (put it in ~/.non-mixer)
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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 21:42:32 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:42:32 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Haha, that simplified things ;) Thanks! I'm going to check out the plugins
on the list I don't know personally too. Is there any of those plugins that
stand out in terms of how good they are?


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:22 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What plugins are the best according to you Liles, and you Fons? Or
>>> anyone else knowledgable for that matter.
>>>
>>> I personally wouldn't catch the difference unless it's something fairly
>>> obvious, but I do agree it's impossible to know which ones are the good
>>> ones in the giant pile that is LADSPA/LV2 plugins...
>>>
>>> If you tell me/us that, I'll compile it to a list and put it somewhere
>>> where we can refer people. Preferably the Linuxmusicians or Linux Audio
>>> wiki.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>
>> Ah. Good question. Well, I would say that all of Fons plugins are good.
>> Not necessarily well documented or easy to use, but good.
>>
>> A quick grep of my song sessions shows the following LADSPA plugin IDs.
>> This does not necessarily reflect my current working set (which is
>> definitely smaller), but is all I've got time for at the moment.
>>
>> 1055 1071 1090 1181 1193 1197 1216 1408 1413 1423 1429 1431 1767 1772
>> 1773 1779 1795 1882 1901 1903 1904 1907 1913 1916 1950 1957 1973 1974 1975
>> 1976 2143 2144 2146 2149 2158 2594 3306 3308 3309 4061 4063 4064 4065 4066
>> 4068 4069 6601 6602 6603
>>
>
> And if that's too obscure I've attached it in the form of a Non Mixer
> plugin favorites file (put it in ~/.non-mixer)
>
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 22:19:42 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:19:42 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> Haha, that simplified things ;) Thanks! I'm going to check out the plugins
> on the list I don't know personally too. Is there any of those plugins that
> stand out in terms of how good they are?
>

As with anything else, you'll only notice when things don't work, not when
they do. A good plugin is simply one that does what it says on the tin. I'd
say that the C*  Versatile Plate Reverb is one of the better algo reverbs
out there (although lately I've moved to doing all my reverb with
jconvolver, instead of plugins). The GLAME Butterworth Highpass and Lowpass
are what they claim to be and work for most EQ tasks. DJ EQ is pretty good
when you need a few more bands. Fons' Parametric EQ is good when you need
more control, but isn't very user friendly. TAP TubeWarmth is good for
killing some of the fidelity of vocals. SC4 Mono is my go-to compressor.
The guitarix plugins are OK, but they have some denormal problems and
aren't very user friendly.

I'm not a believer in mojo. EQ is EQ, distortion is distortion etc. IMHO
the best plugins simple ones that do one thing.
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 22:49:01 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:49:01 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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As an OP, I'd like to comment briefly on a couple of things.

1.
Some people in this discussion try to sound as if what they do is done
strictly for themselves and they don't care if something is broken, just
fix it yourself.
I find this intellectually dishonest.

Many software is clearly released as software which is created to be used
by other people and some project sites clearly present it as such. Forums
are created for users to comment on it and bug report systems are
available. Initial motivation is not something that can be used to say -
you know, initially I did it for myself. Many commercial products started
off as being made for oneself, so what.

So if you really don't care whether your software is broken or not - please
get rid of forums and bug reporting system on your project site.

2.
Also, there is a difference - and a huge one - between software which has a
bug in some weird rarely used function and a bug in basic stuff. In my
podcast I talked specifically about constantly bumping into basic problems,
like not being able to render a file. And that was pointed out as a factor
in being tired of reporting bugs.

If a software is presented as a sequencer, for instance, not being able to
render a file properly sounds like a basic problem to me.

3.
I thank Egor for pointing this out, but making music not only sounds like
"work" to me, a Linux Audio scene without musicians is a bit like a bike
that everybody works on, but nobody really uses. Linux Audio community is
both developers AND musicians. An attempt to make everyone a developer is
not justified, in my opinion. I don't want to fix bugs, I am a musician.
And as a musician I am extremely productive and I believe I do a good share
of the musician's work that helps to show what can be done using Linux
software.

4.
And finally, the question of money.

I think this is irrelevant, saying "it is all free, so don't complain".
There are many things in the world that are free, does it mean their
standards are by default beyond any discussion? My podcast is also free, so
why then all the arguing? I shared with you a free broadcast product, no?

Obviously, discussing something has nothing to with whether it is free or
not. And in my podcast I have repeatedly said that this was not an
implication that anyone owed me something, yet I still received that tired
rhetoric.

A lower quality of a given non-commercial product might be explained by its
lack of profitability, it does not change the fact that it is of low
quality.

L.V.

ps: yeah, and I will record smth that is constructive suggestions on the
situation
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Sun Aug 18 23:08:04 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 01:08:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Fear Not [Lazy sunday afternoon ambient]
In-Reply-To: <52111A6D.3000005@gmx.net>
References: <52111A6D.3000005@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308190105030.29489@flower.world.net>

Hello Florian!
   The tune itself is beautiful. almost sweet and wistful. If the mix of string 
synth/guitar and the more aggressive bass was a little different. I like the 
guitar. Is it a real guitar? If so, well recorded and mixed. Very reminiscent 
of Sting's guitar sound, though that's probably just as much due to the style 
of playing. Why just ambient? there's a perfect place for every type of music. 
Granted there are a couple of German styles, which require alcohol gallore... 
:-)
   Kind regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Sun Aug 18 23:25:01 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:25:01 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On 08/18/2013 12:49 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
> As an OP, I'd like to comment briefly on a couple of things.
>
> 3.
> I thank Egor for pointing this out, but making music not only sounds
> like "work" to me, a Linux Audio scene without musicians is a bit like a
> bike that everybody works on, but nobody really uses. Linux Audio
> community is both developers AND musicians. An attempt to make everyone
> a developer is not justified, in my opinion. I don't want to fix bugs, I
> am a musician. And as a musician I am extremely productive and I believe
> I do a good share of the musician's work that helps to show what can be
> done using Linux software.

I once wrote a fractal graphics generator in 6510 Assembler for C64. I 
can read a number of different programming languages. I know enough 
about programming to know I'm not a developer - anything I produced 
would not be a positive contribution to anything! So I'd rather make art 
and music and such.

Thanks to all the developers - known, unknown, on Linux or any other 
platforms - who've successfully turned complex theories into something I 
can use to get a sound or photographic effect I want in order to express 
what I want to say.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From jamshark70 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 05:55:48 2013
From: jamshark70 at gmail.com (James Harkins)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:55:48 +0800
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Aug 18, 2013 2:04 AM, "Brent Busby" <brent at keycorner.org> wrote:
> The ironic thing about all of this is that the most potent rock
subculture ever, the psychedelic period in the 60's, was very political,
and happened in an evironment that's very similar to where we are now --
questionable foreign wars, questionable executive branch practices (from
both parties), massive popular disapproval of the US government. Except
this time, music and art is strangely silent about it all.  One would think
in times like these, artists would not need to be coaxed to make a
statement.

I just chanced across a quote that seems relevant:

http://www.npr.org/2013/08/18/212609212/a-dystopian-view-of-americas-fallen-suburbs

~~
On what [Patrick Flanery] wants readers to take away from Fallen Land

"I wanted the book to speak to a kind of crisis in neighborliness, and
thinking about the ways in which people are becoming so inward-looking, and
the ways in which it's incredibly easy ? I think in part because of
technology ? not to think about what's happening around us. And that's not
just thinking about security but thinking about who needs help. So it's
almost about a crisis of empathy with the people that we should be looking
out for but who we fail to look out for in fairly fundamental ways."
~~

... inward-looking... it's incredibly easy not to think about what's
happening around us...

I'm guilty of that myself.

hjh
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From atte at youmail.dk  Mon Aug 19 06:28:54 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:28:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
Message-ID: <5211BB26.3020003@youmail.dk>

Hi

I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a 
hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.

I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between 
specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace 
my Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low 
latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any 
suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom 
power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work 
out-of-the-box with linux?

Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad U310 core i7, with 500GB 
HD + 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and 
have the data sit on the slower HD:
http://laptops.dk/product_info.php?cPath=203&products_id=4875
Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From moshwe at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 07:33:50 2013
From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:33:50 +0300
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <5211BB26.3020003@youmail.dk>
References: <5211BB26.3020003@youmail.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGFf1oi5HnD7fshvGRF7SpVWcwMHRmoU6KKZLkRZNR07kr=k0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there

did you think about buying a laptop from a custom shop like PCAudiolabs or
ADK?

also there is this thread
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/686047-audio-pc-laptops-buyers-guide-lets-make-sticky.html

I am working on a macbook pro but pricewise it's not recommended if you
don't need OSX.

Good hunting
Moshe


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen <atte at youmail.dk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
> hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
>
> I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between
> specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace my
> Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low
> latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any
> suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom
> power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work
> out-of-the-box with linux?
>
> Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad U310 core i7, with 500GB HD
> + 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and have the
> data sit on the slower HD:
> http://laptops.dk/product_**info.php?cPath=203&products_**id=4875<http://laptops.dk/product_info.php?cPath=203&products_id=4875>
> Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?
>
> --
> Atte
>
> http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk
> ______________________________**_________________
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Aug 19 07:43:57 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:43:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <5211BB26.3020003@youmail.dk>
References: <5211BB26.3020003@youmail.dk>
Message-ID: <5211CCBD.8050506@autostatic.com>

On 08/19/2013 08:28 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
> hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
> 
> I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between
> specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace
> my Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low
> latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any
> suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom
> power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work
> out-of-the-box with linux?
> 

Hi Atte,

FireWire is being phased out. Same goes for ExpressCard, at least the
notebook I recently bought doesn't have any other interface slots other
than USB. And yes, you should be able to get <10ms latency and reliable
performance with USB. I'm using FireWire too on my main system but I'm
thinking about selling the unit and getting a USB device like the
Presonus 1818VSL so I can use it on my notebook too.
The notebook itself is a custom built one:
http://linux.autostatic.com/2013/05/31/new-notebook-bto-pbook-17cl45-gt650-i7-quad

Regards,

Jeremy

> Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad U310 core i7, with 500GB
> HD + 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and
> have the data sit on the slower HD:
> http://laptops.dk/product_info.php?cPath=203&products_id=4875
> Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?
> 


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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Aug 19 08:26:56 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 10:26:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Fear Not [Lazy sunday afternoon ambient]
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On 19.08.2013 01:08, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello Florian!

Hi Julien,

>   The tune itself is beautiful. almost sweet and wistful. If the mix 
> of string synth/guitar and the more aggressive bass was a little 
> different. I like the guitar. Is it a real guitar? 

Yes, a Bertrand Martin from 1983. I guess with that much EQ, delay and 
reverb it doesn't really matter what guitar it is :D

> If so, well recorded and mixed. Very reminiscent of Sting's guitar 
> sound, though that's probably just as much due to the style of 
> playing. Why just ambient? there's a perfect place for every type of 
> music. Granted there are a couple of German styles, which require 
> alcohol gallore... :-)
>   Kind regards
>          Julien
>

Thanks for your kind words.. BTW: What would you have done differently 
with the mix?

Have fun,
Flo

From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug 19 09:30:47 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:30:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Fear Not [Lazy sunday afternoon ambient]
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Hello Florian!
   I would have pulled the bass-sound down, at least over the passages with 
strings and guitar, to give them more room to breathe and live. But that's 
just me. With a nice melody, I'd always favour it over aggressive basslines. 
:-)
   Warm regards
        Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Mon Aug 19 10:06:31 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:06:31 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Fear Not [Lazy sunday afternoon ambient]
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On Mon, August 19, 2013 5:03 am, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> https://soundcloud.com/fps-2/fear-not
>
> [Downloads enabled]
>
> Fundamental said it's generic ambient. I agree, but I still kinda like it.
>

Really nice track. Very soothing. Has the right balance between forward
looking and oppressive with the forward looking aspect taking the upper
hand...



--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From atte at youmail.dk  Mon Aug 19 10:53:43 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 12:53:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
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On 08/19/2013 09:33 AM, Moshe Werner wrote:
> Hi there
>
> did you think about buying a laptop from a custom shop like PCAudiolabs
> or ADK?

Naeh, not really. A general purpose laptop with *my* choice of OS (down 
to which linux flavor and detailed setup I prefer) have worked great.

> also there is this thread
> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/686047-audio-pc-laptops-buyers-guide-lets-make-sticky.html

Seems goo generic, oriented towards windows and a bit outdated (october 
2012) to really fit my needs.

> I am working on a macbook pro but pricewise it's not recommended if you
> don't need OSX.

Which I don't :-)

> Good hunting
> Moshe

Thanks!

More personal experiences and advice are welcome!

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 12:55:15 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:55:15 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Fwd:  LMMS made Trap and Drum & Bass
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Thanks Julien & Neil,

I agree that the DnB song is somewhat weird: I couldn't find the exact
thing either.
Neil, your right the dry-up front drums were what I was going for.. still I
find something is strange / lacking.
That said, I've called it "finished" so that's that :)

-Harry
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 16:04:57 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:04:57 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> As an OP, I'd like to comment briefly on a couple of things.
>
> 1.
> Some people in this discussion try to sound as if what they do is done
> strictly for themselves and they don't care if something is broken, just
> fix it yourself.
> I find this intellectually dishonest.
>
> Many software is clearly released as software which is created to be used
> by other people and some project sites clearly present it as such. Forums
> are created for users to comment on it and bug report systems are
> available. Initial motivation is not something that can be used to say -
> you know, initially I did it for myself. Many commercial products started
> off as being made for oneself, so what.
>
> So if you really don't care whether your software is broken or not -
> please get rid of forums and bug reporting system on your project site.
>
>
It's not about not caring that something is broken. But it's important to
note that 'broken' is not an absolute state. Something may be unsuitable
for a particular purpose without being 'broken'. I've been in this
situation many times. Something doesn't work *at all* for me and my
purposes, yet everyone else who uses it seems to be perfectly happy.
Figuring out why that is an investigative process. It's because my use
case, environment, standards of what's 'stable' etc. are different from
everyone else's. Obviously, if you submit bug reports, people will help
you. Developers will most certainly go out of their way and spend minutes,
hours, or weeks fixing problems you report--all without requiring any
compensation from you. I'm just saying that you *always* have an option
when someone isn't interested or responsive. That's one of the main
advantages of free software: you always have the option to fix it yourself.

Those who release software are under absolutely zero obligation to fix
anything for you or to even continue development at all.

2.
> Also, there is a difference - and a huge one - between software which has
> a bug in some weird rarely used function and a bug in basic stuff. In my
> podcast I talked specifically about constantly bumping into basic problems,
> like not being able to render a file. And that was pointed out as a factor
> in being tired of reporting bugs.
>
> If a software is presented as a sequencer, for instance, not being able to
> render a file properly sounds like a basic problem to me.
>

Might be. Or maybe not. Maybe the software was intended to be used live, or
maybe there's another way to export a file. Maybe the developer has
forgotten that the function you're trying to use even exists because
they've been doing it another way since the dawn of the project. Believe
me, everybody has as a unique view of what is and isn't a basic feature.

Note the wording you use... 'properly'. What does that mean, exactly? If
the software can export files, but just not 'properly', by your private
definition, then it's indeed very likely that everbody else who uses it
simply has a different definition of 'properly'.

It is true, with all software, that problems which do not affect the
majority of users and uses are not given top priority. Any other policy
would be irrational.



>
>
> 3.
> I thank Egor for pointing this out, but making music not only sounds like
> "work" to me, a Linux Audio scene without musicians is a bit like a bike
> that everybody works on, but nobody really uses. Linux Audio community is
> both developers AND musicians. An attempt to make everyone a developer is
> not justified, in my opinion. I don't want to fix bugs, I am a musician.
> And as a musician I am extremely productive and I believe I do a good share
> of the musician's work that helps to show what can be done using Linux
> software.
>


If you don't want to help fix things, then stop complaining. You're like
the person who stands by as your friends build a house for you and tells
everybody how poor a job they're doing. Pick up a hammer and do some work
or just shut your mouth and be happy that people are building you a house
for free out of the kindness of their hearts.


>
> 4.
> And finally, the question of money.
>
> I think this is irrelevant, saying "it is all free, so don't complain".
> There are many things in the world that are free, does it mean their
> standards are by default beyond any discussion? My podcast is also free, so
> why then all the arguing? I shared with you a free broadcast product, no?
>
> Obviously, discussing something has nothing to with whether it is free or
> not. And in my podcast I have repeatedly said that this was not an
> implication that anyone owed me something, yet I still received that tired
> rhetoric.
>
> A lower quality of a given non-commercial product might be explained by
> its lack of profitability, it does not change the fact that it is of low
> quality.
>

So are you saying that Linux Audio is of poor quality? I'm not sure I get
your point here. I never said "you get what you pay for" or any such thing.
Even commerical audio software doesn't sell you a guarantee that it will
work.


> L.V.
>
> ps: yeah, and I will record smth that is constructive suggestions on the
> situation
>

Finally! Looking forward to it.
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From czhenry at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 17:38:53 2013
From: czhenry at gmail.com (Charles Z Henry)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 12:38:53 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

>
> There's no clear boarder between art and not art.
>
>
Whether something is art or not is typically a bogus question.  This kind
of argument confuses whether something "is" art with its quality as art.

The evidence that something is art is that it has been composed or intended
as art.
If you want to further remove the role of its creator from that definition,
you can say that whether something is or is not art is simply self-evident.

Everything else is in your interpretation and your judgment of its
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From peder at musikhuset.org  Mon Aug 19 17:44:36 2013
From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:44:36 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
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Quoting Atte Andr? Jensen <atte at youmail.dk>:

> I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
> hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.

If it's mostly due to hard drive failure and works reasonably well  
otherwise (and is able to run all the softwart you want) why not just  
buy a new drive?
Lenovo's are dead easy to swap drives in - remove one screw, yank out  
the old drive and pop in the new.

Or buy a new drive for the X61, buy a new computer to run the programs  
on and use netjack to send the audio to the X61/FA-66

  - Peder


From leoave at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 18:13:33 2013
From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:13:33 -0700
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
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I vote for a SSD, even with 120GB (100dlls) it will give new life to your
laptop.

I did change to SSD a 2GB dualcore Laptop; feels as good as a i5 Asus
Laptop 4GB with normal drive.

Cheap upgrade (if you are not in the necessity of big hard drive)

:)
Leo


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Peder Hedlund <peder at musikhuset.org>wrote:

> Quoting Atte Andr? Jensen <atte at youmail.dk>:
>
>  I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
>> hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
>>
>
> If it's mostly due to hard drive failure and works reasonably well
> otherwise (and is able to run all the softwart you want) why not just buy a
> new drive?
> Lenovo's are dead easy to swap drives in - remove one screw, yank out the
> old drive and pop in the new.
>
> Or buy a new drive for the X61, buy a new computer to run the programs on
> and use netjack to send the audio to the X61/FA-66
>
>  - Peder
>
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From clemens at ladisch.de  Mon Aug 19 19:55:30 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:55:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
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Leonardo Palomares wrote:
> I vote for a SSD, even with 120GB (100dlls) it will give new life to your
> laptop.

Another vote.  Rotating disks (especially notebook models) are by far
the largest bottleneck in any more-or less modern computer, and easy to
replace with an SSD.  Furthermore, if you have a working FireWire setup,
you should try to keep it.


Regards,
Clemens

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 20:30:55 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 00:30:55 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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Dear J. Liles! (I am sorry, I do not know your first name)

Since I've posted my podcast, you have reacted in a rather aggressive
manner, as if I am saying something controversial. Well, I am not. Being
part of a community is being able to freely speak your mind, provided, of
course, it is stated in a polite and respectful manner. I believe I have
not been rude or disrespectful.

If you personally find this discussion useless, no problem. I am not
forcing you to continue.

"just shut your mouth and be happy that people are building you a house for
free out of the kindness of their hearts"

I am afraid I do not see free software community that way.
You are always trying to have someone be obliged to someone else. In my
words you see obligation of the developer to the user, although I have
several times said I do not believe such an obligation exists. Now you hint
at users being obliged to developers.

And just to point out one other small thing:
"If the software can export files, but just not 'properly', by your private
definition, then it's indeed very likely that everbody else who uses it
simply has a different definition of 'properly'."

I have faced situations where a file would get rendered with pops and
clicks in place of certain effects and with whole sections missing from the
middle of the track. Or when a file would just not get rendered at all. I
would be very curious to read the definition, by which this is fine.
Believe me, my needs are nothing fancy. When I say "basic" - I mean it.
And to be fair, this is not only Linux Audio. While on Ubuntu Karmic, I
remember stock DVD burner having a bug that makes the software freeze when
you press "Burn". To me this is also basic functionality lacking, unless I
am missing something fundamental :D

Cheers,

L.V.
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 20:50:51 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:50:51 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear J. Liles! (I am sorry, I do not know your first name)
>

My first name is Jonathan.

Since I've posted my podcast, you have reacted in a rather aggressive
> manner, as if I am saying something controversial. Well, I am not. Being
> part of a community is being able to freely speak your mind, provided, of
> course, it is stated in a polite and respectful manner. I believe I have
> not been rude or disrespectful.
>
> If you personally find this discussion useless, no problem. I am not
> forcing you to continue.
>

You can hardheadedly profess your opinion--completely unwilling to be
convinced of anything different. Am I not free to respond in kind without
being called aggressive?

Somebody has to slay the datenwolf. Uncontested complaining is bad for
morale.

All things considered, I thought this was a pretty friendly thread...


>
> "just shut your mouth and be happy that people are building you a house
> for free out of the kindness of their hearts"
>
> I am afraid I do not see free software community that way.
> You are always trying to have someone be obliged to someone else. In my
> words you see obligation of the developer to the user, although I have
> several times said I do not believe such an obligation exists. Now you hint
> at users being obliged to developers.
>

Well... You benefit from the free-software community. Does the
free-software community benefit from you? Can you seriously argue that it
does? There is a word for those who benefit without offering any positive
contribution. I'm not going to mention it, because I'd prefer to keep this
thread friendly and I don't believe that you're doing any of this out of
ill will. I do think you're suffering from a lack of perspective, though.


> And just to point out one other small thing:
>
> "If the software can export files, but just not 'properly', by your
> private definition, then it's indeed very likely that everbody else who
> uses it simply has a different definition of 'properly'."
>
> I have faced situations where a file would get rendered with pops and
> clicks in place of certain effects and with whole sections missing from the
> middle of the track. Or when a file would just not get rendered at all. I
> would be very curious to read the definition, by which this is fine.
> Believe me, my needs are nothing fancy. When I say "basic" - I mean it.
>

What you describe is not at all basic or fundamental. What if nobody else
happens to use the same FX plugin that you do at the same settings on the
same system? Do you not realize how it could in fact be possible that no
other user of the software in question experiences the issue that you do? A
dropout such as you describe could very well have absolutely nothing to do
with an 'export' function anyway (this of course depends on the
architecture of the software in question). When you say that the export is
broken and the developer looks at it and sees that it is not, how do you
think he feels about the quality of your reporting? It may be basic and
obvious to you, FROM YOUR LIMITED PERSPECTIVE, but that does not mean it is
a universal problem. Hell, the issue you describe could even be simple user
error (impoper gain staging causing clipping or a poorly configured system
unable to keep up without xruns).

I'm not trying to diminish your experience. All software has bugs and they
usually pretty damn frustrating to encounter. What I am asking you to do is
understand just how subjective your situation is. You are crying that
everything is broken and yet many of us are getting our own work done
without a hitch. It's false and misleading, and it actively harms the
community which has only benefited you.

>
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From tim at quitte.de  Tue Aug 20 08:25:34 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:25:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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[J. Liles]
>The other part of the problem is that (at least LADSPA) plugins are
>distributed in huge batches, all together in one .so with say 5
>usable plugins and 30 that either do nothing, crash the host, or make
>horrible tweater destroying noises. 

You have reported these problems to the plugin authors, right?

Because if you haven't, you're doing exactly what you criticise Louigi
for: public dismissal with no opportunity for the developer to fix the
issue.

I'd be surprised to hear of a developer of a substantive LADSPA bundle
who would ignore such grave issues, the occasionally experimental,
amateur or plain basic character of some endeavours notwithstanding.

Please name those LADSPA bundles where you find six out of seven
plugins to "do nothing, crash the host, or make horrible tweater[sic]
destroying noises" while their authors ignore your reports.

If you can't, your quote constitutes plain slander, and how much good
can that possibly do?

Tim

From vicsto at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 10:03:47 2013
From: vicsto at gmail.com (Victor A. Stoichita)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:03:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
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Hi Atte,

I can confirm that you should easily get <10ms latency with a modern USB
card.
I have an i5 laptop (Asus UL30JT), so slightly less powerful than the one
you spotted. My first experiences on it were with the Edirol UA-25 (the old
model, not the EX one). That's USB 1. Jack would start at 8ms and be
plainly usable with Ardour: 4-5 tracks, some plugins on each.
Then I tried a Scarlett 2i4 for a couple of days. It's USB 2. Jack would
start at ridiculously low latencies, like 2ms or so. But working with the
same Ardour sessions was still only possible at 8ms. So I figure the
bottleneck is my CPU rather than USB. I brought the card back anyway.
Eventually, I opted for the Komplete Audio 6. This could fit your minimal
requirements of "4in (2 of these should be phantom power) + 4out". Latency
is the same as with the Scarlett: Jack starts very low, but for what I'm
doing, with an i5 CPU, 8ms is the most reasonable choice. I find it's a
very good soundcard, very clean preamps, it works out of the box on Linux.
So if you end up looking for a USB card, you could consider that one.

A note on the Lenovo U310 which you spotted: it has 2 x USB 3 and 1 x USB
2. This looks good because it could mean that the USB 2 slot is not on an
internal combo (as is the case with some other laptops, mine included). It
should be better for latency, and possibly diminish the risk of noise
interferences. You may however be restricted to using that slot for the
soundcard, as USB 2 devices are not guaranteed to work on a USB 3 slot.

Cheers,
Victor


On 19 August 2013 08:28, Atte Andr? Jensen <atte at youmail.dk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm replacing my lenovo X61s (dualcore 1.6Ghz) laptop, mostly due to a
> hard drive that's starting to fail and need some advice.
>
> I'm having problems finding something that has the right balance between
> specs and price *and* has firewire. This means I might have to replace my
> Edirol FA-66 with an USB based sound card. Will I be able to get low
> latancy (<10ms) and reliable performance from an USB sound card? Any
> suggestions for a sound card (minimum 4in (2 of these should be phantom
> power) + 4out) what will provide zero-latency monitoring and work
> out-of-the-box with linux?
>
> Right now I'm leaning towards a Lenovo IdeaPad U310 core i7, with 500GB HD
> + 24GB SSD, the idea would be to install the system on the SSD and have the
> data sit on the slower HD:
> http://laptops.dk/product_**info.php?cPath=203&products_**id=4875<http://laptops.dk/product_info.php?cPath=203&products_id=4875>
> Any reasons this would be a bad/good choice?
>
> --
> Atte
>
> http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk
> ______________________________**_________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
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From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 11:52:57 2013
From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:52:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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Hi,

this is just another rt-kernel thread about RT performance.

I tried latest 3.10.6 with some issues so I decided to use a long term
release and I am now compiling 3.2.50.

So. Which kernel release are you running?

/r
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Aug 20 12:38:31 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:38:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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Hi Raffaele :)

On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 13:52 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> I tried latest 3.10.6 with some issues
> Which kernel release are you running?

I made my last unfinished audio production using 3.8.4-rt2 x86_64 and
3.8.11-rt8 x86_64, both seemed to be ok.

Currently I'm running 3.8.13-rt14, but for daily non-audio work only, so
I don't know if there are issues for audio production, for non-audio
usage it's ok.

With 3.10.6-rt3 installed lightdm already hangs when checking the
password to log in. The non-rt 3.10.7 does work ok and 3.10.6 did work
ok too, but I didn't use/don't use the non-rt very often.

This is for my "main" Linux, I've got other installs running different
kernels too.

Regards,
Ralf



From atte at youmail.dk  Tue Aug 20 13:23:11 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:23:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
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On 08/19/2013 07:44 PM, Peder Hedlund wrote:

> If it's mostly due to hard drive failure and works reasonably well
> otherwise (and is able to run all the softwart you want) why not just
> buy a new drive?

That's actually a good idea! However I already ordered the U310 (which 
has 24G of SSD + a larger, regular HD.

This might breathe new life into the x61s, though, the plan was to give 
it to my 12 year old.

What should I look for in an SSD? How to make sure it physically fits 
and is not a old and slow generation?

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Aug 20 12:56:35 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:56:35 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Cadenza for Flute and Csound Synthesizers
Message-ID: <52136783.802@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

A recent piece:

https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/cadenza-for-flute-and-csound

For the unclouded:

     http://linux-sound.org/audio/Cadenza.mp3

     http://linux-sound.org/audio/Cadenza.ogg

It's an experiment with AVSynthesis and a flute solo (MIDI version 
recorded in lieu of an actual player). Material is based on the 
principal row from Alban Berg's Lyric Suite, but treated with a free 
atonal method.

Old school with new tools.

Best,

dp


From malnourite at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 15:50:16 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:50:16 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Tim Goetze <tim at quitte.de> wrote:

> [J. Liles]
> >The other part of the problem is that (at least LADSPA) plugins are
> >distributed in huge batches, all together in one .so with say 5
> >usable plugins and 30 that either do nothing, crash the host, or make
> >horrible tweater destroying noises.
>
> You have reported these problems to the plugin authors, right?
>
> Because if you haven't, you're doing exactly what you criticise Louigi
> for: public dismissal with no opportunity for the developer to fix the
> issue.
>

Ha! I spend my time developing for linux audio, friend, which is not
something OP can say. My time is better spent designing and developing and
fixing bugs, rather than complaining about them.

(but no, before you say it, I'm not going to fix your plugins for you)

I'd be surprised to hear of a developer of a substantive LADSPA bundle
> who would ignore such grave issues, the occasionally experimental,
> amateur or plain basic character of some endeavours notwithstanding.
>
> Please name those LADSPA bundles where you find six out of seven
> plugins to "do nothing, crash the host, or make horrible tweater[sic]
> destroying noises" while their authors ignore your reports.
>
> If you can't, your quote constitutes plain slander, and how much good
> can that possibly do?
>


Plugins are poorly or copletely undocumented encapsulations of code
snippets with generally vague authorship. Should I report the problem to
the person named in the Maker field or to the publisher of the textbook the
forumla came out of?

Unlike, OP, I'm actually doing something constructive with my time and
don't have enough of it to go through reporting the issues with 150
individual plugins. How am I supposed to even file a bug report when the
only hint at what the plugin is even supposed to accomplish is in its name?
Maybe it's supposed to blow up tweeters. I don't know.

Frankly, this discussion was never about plugins. And talking about them is
more than a little off topic. What, exactly are you hoping to accomplish?

The fact that most plugins are useless is in no way related to my argument.
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 16:11:09 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:11:09 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> "You are crying that everything is broken"
> "What I am asking you to do is understand just how subjective your
> situation is."
>
> Dear Jonathan, nowhere in my podcast do I say that "everything is broken"
> or that my situation is objective. I also do not agree that the tone of my
> message is "crying". As a long-time user of Linux Audio who writes lots of
> music, I shared my personal subjective experience and, reflecting on it,
> decided to share it.
>
> What's the problem?
>

In case you haven't noticed statements of a similar sentiment come up a
lot--usually not from the mouths of the most intelligent users either. I
think yours is the first I've really seen in podcast form though. The
problem is that, in aggregate these statements create the impression that
linux audio sucks, even though it doesn't. *My* view on Linux Audio is
pretty positive. Aside from some long standing gripes with parts of the
JACK API, (and as we've been over, some problematic plugins (easy enough to
ignore) everything just works. It doesn't just work by magic, though. I
spent 7 years of my damn life MAKING it work.

You don't think about that when you make your podcast... How hard
*everybody* in this community has worked on your behalf. Even if it weren't
harmful (which it is), it would *still* be at least unproductive, and why
on earth would you want to spend your time being unproductive.

If your desire is to somehow motivate the developers of the software you
use into fixing some bugs, well I have to tell you, it's unlikely to have
that effect. It's just depressing. They might give up.



>
> "It's false and misleading, and it actively harms the community which has
> only benefited you."
>
> I don't think you can speak for the whole community. Some people found my
> message interesting and have supplied helpful comments.
>

I can say what many others are in no position to.


>
> "Does the free-software community benefit from you? Can you seriously
> argue that it does? There is a word for those who benefit without offering
> any positive contribution."
>
> What do you consider to be "positive contribution"? Saying only good
> things?
> Just in case you do not know, I have a range of material dedicated to
> Linux Audio: http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux
>
>
Articles are good--I haven't read the so I'll have to take your word for it
that they are constructive.



> I also believe that promoting the fact that I make my music with Linux is
> a positive contribution, like here:
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=another_reality
>
>
This is not a contribution. It may be good for the ego of either the
musician or the developer whose project is named (I know I get a kick out
of it every time I see my projects listed in such a way), but does nothing
for progress.

My life within Linux Audio is multifaceted. The fact that I said something
> on a podcast that you saw as "crying" does not mean I do not contribute.
> And yeah, Linux sucks:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-cnaJoGCw
>
>
Look, Louigi, obviously you have a podcast that people are willing to
listen to. If you really want to do something good, then I'm sure you can
find a better way than posting the kind of podcasts you've done recently.
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From egor.sanin at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 17:01:48 2013
From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:01:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT]  Linux Audio podcast. episode003: BUG REPORT
Message-ID: <CALVwFW9bACVLCdAY3hco7epE2JWBEHCoj0nXOjdnW3JBs2cz5g@mail.gmail.com>

I have a bug to report:

We start here:

On 8/15/13, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still not sure I understand the point of bringing this up in the first
> place. At first you sounded like you were announcing that you were giving
> up on participating and maybe even using free software. Now you've
> corrected that, but that just makes the whole thing seem even more
> pointless. Is the purpose only to vent? You say you're not frustrated, but
> honestly I can't see how anything constructive can come out of what is
> essentially complaining combined with inaction. Complaining wihtout
> offering any solutions is about the most useless thing a human being can do
> with their time. If you want to be apathetic, fine, but why announce it in
> public? Life is a struggle. Things are hard. Shit breaks. Technology is
> complicated. Time is short. None of these facts are specific to linux audio
> or even free software. I'm sorry you've had to struggle with technology
> from time to time that was offered to you freely and without waranty.
> Perhaps your time would be better spent seeking out a synthesizer for the
> sound of the world's smallest violin playing just for you.
>

And almost 60 messages later we find the following problem code with
automatic intelligence plugin "J. Liles"

j_liles = AngryDevPlugin.new();
j_liles.feelings_hurt = 1;
j_liles.circular_logic = 1;

---> Oh no! Infinite loop!


Please don't take offense, it's all in good fun!  I am not a dev, so
can't possibly have the intelligence or work ethic necessary to
substantiate my joke in any way -- it is obviously empty and useless!
Just like my existence!  Long live the developer, the one true hero of
our abject and miserably hopeless world!

From malnourite at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 17:06:41 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:06:41 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [OT]  Linux Audio podcast. episode003: BUG REPORT
In-Reply-To: <CALVwFW9bACVLCdAY3hco7epE2JWBEHCoj0nXOjdnW3JBs2cz5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALVwFW9bACVLCdAY3hco7epE2JWBEHCoj0nXOjdnW3JBs2cz5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSZMa8tmrvFbQU5C5Uu5EGwc+1OrRKR1wentN++JDA=TfA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Egor Sanin <egor.sanin at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a bug to report:
>
> We start here:
>
> On 8/15/13, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm still not sure I understand the point of bringing this up in the
> first
> > place. At first you sounded like you were announcing that you were giving
> > up on participating and maybe even using free software. Now you've
> > corrected that, but that just makes the whole thing seem even more
> > pointless. Is the purpose only to vent? You say you're not frustrated,
> but
> > honestly I can't see how anything constructive can come out of what is
> > essentially complaining combined with inaction. Complaining wihtout
> > offering any solutions is about the most useless thing a human being can
> do
> > with their time. If you want to be apathetic, fine, but why announce it
> in
> > public? Life is a struggle. Things are hard. Shit breaks. Technology is
> > complicated. Time is short. None of these facts are specific to linux
> audio
> > or even free software. I'm sorry you've had to struggle with technology
> > from time to time that was offered to you freely and without waranty.
> > Perhaps your time would be better spent seeking out a synthesizer for the
> > sound of the world's smallest violin playing just for you.
> >
>
> And almost 60 messages later we find the following problem code with
> automatic intelligence plugin "J. Liles"
>
> j_liles = AngryDevPlugin.new();
> j_liles.feelings_hurt = 1;
> j_liles.circular_logic = 1;
>
> ---> Oh no! Infinite loop!
>
>
> Please don't take offense, it's all in good fun!  I am not a dev, so
> can't possibly have the intelligence or work ethic necessary to
> substantiate my joke in any way -- it is obviously empty and useless!
> Just like my existence!  Long live the developer, the one true hero of
> our abject and miserably hopeless world!
>

And here come the trolls... Still think you're doing the world a favor by
starting this thread, OP?
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From surfacepatterns at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 19:03:06 2013
From: surfacepatterns at gmail.com (Devin Anderson)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:03:06 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn48A3ybkevgUpFNyBun3phDaeXkWSQT-fYCiRojFPBBDVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn48A3ybkevgUpFNyBun3phDaeXkWSQT-fYCiRojFPBBDVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG7zqTpMHrL9vS-JLSoA046d2_Hta_pB=sgc+QmcpGmstdADMA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey fellas!
>
> This time talking of getting tired to file bug reports, get the podcast
> here:
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>
>
> Would be interested in what you think!

I just got around to listening to your podcast after seeing all of the
activity on the mailing list.

I'm aware that you're a user that contributes back to the Linux Audio
community.  I read your blog occasionally, and have listened to some
of your music.  I appreciate what you've done for the community.

That said, my first reaction to your podcast was quite negative.  I
thought you sounded like a whiny, spoiled brat.  To qualify my
thought, I'd like to add some context.

Here are some of my contributions for the LInux Audio community:

    * synthclone (50,000 + lines of code, and 2-3 years of spare time)
    * midisnoop (~ 3,000 lines of code)
    * JACK 2 contributions:
        * MIDI queue system for drivers
        * rewritten drivers (WinMME, CoreMIDI, FFADO)
        * alsarawmidi driver
    * minor code contributions to other projects

... and here's what I received from the community in return:

    * Linux Audio software I use: ALSA, JACK, Ardour, zita-a2j, patchage,
      Audacity
    * Other software that is no longer a part of my workflow
    * 16.43 USD in donations (thanks to those who donated)
    * bug reports
    * occasional praise

You'll notice that the list of what I've received from the community
doesn't include quality assurance, user experience design, graphic
design, the creation of test scenarios, written documentation,
translations, etc.  The software that I write was written by *me*.
The limited documentation available for my software was written by
*me*.  Same with testing and user experience design (if you can call
it that).

The software you're comparing Linux Audio software to has a lot more
money and work put into it than Linux Audio software.  Linux Audio
developers don't have the resources that these companies have.  What
Linux Audio developers *do* have is the motivation to fill a need in
the Linux Audio community, and the hope that the Linux Audio community
will do their part to help improve the software and motivate the
developers to continue.

So, when I first heard you complaining about filing bug reports, it
made me angry.

Now that I've had a bit of time to reflect and empathize a bit with
what you're saying, I can understand that it's frustrating to have
your workflow interrupted by a crash, unexpected behavior, pops and
clicks, etc.  Given the contributions you've made that I'm aware of, I
would guess that you do generally file bug reports and try to improve
the software you use, and that your podcast was probably inspired by
having your workflow interrupted in this fashion over and over again.
I get it.  That really sucks.

There's more I want to write about this, but I have to get to work.  More later.

-- 
Devin Anderson
surfacepatterns (at) gmail (dot) com

blog - http://surfacepatterns.blogspot.com/
midisnoop - http://midisnoop.googlecode.com/
psinsights - http://psinsights.googlecode.com/
synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/

From dawsonwu at rahul.net  Tue Aug 20 20:07:24 2013
From: dawsonwu at rahul.net (Ken Dawson)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:07:24 -0700
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <52136DBF.7000202@youmail.dk>
References: <5211BB26.3020003@youmail.dk>
 <20130819194436.uezmykhh4wcck40g@www.musikhuset.org>
 <52136DBF.7000202@youmail.dk>
Message-ID: <5213CC7C.3030402@rahul.net>



On 08/20/2013 06:23 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
> On 08/19/2013 07:44 PM, Peder Hedlund wrote:
> 
> What should I look for in an SSD? How to make sure it physically fits and
> is not a old and slow generation?
> 

SSDs I've seen are physically the same size as laptop drives, so that
should be no issue.  But, they are only available as SATA drives.  If
your x61 is IDE, that's a problem.  It all depends on how old it is.

/ken

From brouits at free.fr  Tue Aug 20 20:38:58 2013
From: brouits at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Rouits?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:38:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Cadenza for Flute and Csound Synthesizers
In-Reply-To: <52136783.802@woh.rr.com>
References: <52136783.802@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5213D3E2.9060402@free.fr>

Le 20/08/2013 14:56, Dave Phillips a ?crit :
> Greetings,
>
> A recent piece:
>
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/cadenza-for-flute-and-csound
>
> For the unclouded:
>
>      http://linux-sound.org/audio/Cadenza.mp3
>
>      http://linux-sound.org/audio/Cadenza.ogg
>
> It's an experiment with AVSynthesis and a flute solo (MIDI version
> recorded in lieu of an actual player). Material is based on the
> principal row from Alban Berg's Lyric Suite, but treated with a free
> atonal method.
>
> Old school with new tools.
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>

Excellent. I would like to hear this with an actual flute player.
The Csound part is also superb. Thanks for sharing !

- Beno?t


From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 21:10:17 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:10:17 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode002
In-Reply-To: <CAG7zqTpMHrL9vS-JLSoA046d2_Hta_pB=sgc+QmcpGmstdADMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn48A3ybkevgUpFNyBun3phDaeXkWSQT-fYCiRojFPBBDVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG7zqTpMHrL9vS-JLSoA046d2_Hta_pB=sgc+QmcpGmstdADMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADqqn4_y4i2e14NycLtmeDSRLb1B=2Vr=XzVw1F8TgHx6o91iA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Devin!

"my first reaction to your podcast was quite negative"

My own first reaction to my own tiredness was also negative, I have to
admit.
I am used to being very active and just getting things done.

"I would guess that you do generally file bug reports and try to improve
the software you use"

Just filed a very detailed report yesterday :)
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Tue Aug 20 21:29:29 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:29:29 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Cadenza for Flute and Csound Synthesizers
In-Reply-To: <5213D3E2.9060402@free.fr>
References: <52136783.802@woh.rr.com>
 <5213D3E2.9060402@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20130820212929.GA16354@linuxaudio.org>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:38:58PM +0200, Beno?t Rouits wrote:

> Le 20/08/2013 14:56, Dave Phillips a ?crit :
>
> > Old school with new tools.
 
> Excellent. I would like to hear this with an actual flute player.
> The Csound part is also superb. Thanks for sharing !

Same here ! Made me stop work, sit back, and listen. 

The dodecaphonic row definitely is Berg's, but the atmosphere
made me think of Takemitsu... 

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 21:39:13 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:39:13 +0100
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <CAD4guxNJVi+n4v6eUFJTtDKWciL1YyDdxF6L3cxhDw-Gbx40hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4guxNJVi+n4v6eUFJTtDKWciL1YyDdxF6L3cxhDw-Gbx40hQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbPyk-fVp+XboOhSq1oALsO8=pfqHtc4mtNVBxLFC9hHCQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Raffaele Morelli <
raffaele.morelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> So. Which kernel release are you running?


Ex-Arch-audio "production" repo kernel:  3.6.11-rt25-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT
Tue Dec 25 00:18:17 CET 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
I've tuned this system extensively (manually testing IRQ's, various
blacklisted kernel modules, cpu scaling performance etc.
Details available here:
http://openavproductions.com/real-time-latency-tuning

The system runs at 0.3 ms without Xruns (with a CPU stress tester running
on both cores) on an Echo Indigo DJ PCMCIA card.
So long as the CPU can keep up the process load (and the clients are RT
safe) I don't think it will xrun.
I'm usually running at 5ms, just to reduce the CPU load...

HTH, -Harry
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Aug 20 22:49:55 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:49:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308210037500.26998@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   Here is the serious piece of electronic music. Rather more depressive than I 
would have predicted.
   First though I have to express my gratitude to Alison Utter for the sweet 
vocals, that she has supplied. Thanks! And then we have the links:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.ogg
http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.mp3
   And the lyrics:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.html
   Or you can access it all from the music page:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
   Now about that song: technically speaking I used a lot of Midish and Nama. 
And for the first time I really came to appreciate Ecasound's LV2-support. So 
also a big thanks to Jeremy Salwen, who contributed that feature!
   Musically, this is a mixture of different influences. I'm still not sure, if 
it should be categorised as pop or electronica. there's some dubstep in this, 
as well as some hiphop - in German! :-) - and some basic depressive pop. As to 
instruments used: almost everything I have at my disposal. In software I only 
used LinuxSampler for the Solina sample. Thanks to the friend, who made a 
present of it to me! It's a versatile instrument!
   This latest experiment concluded, I will just lean back and relax. As ever: 
feedback is very welcome!
   Warm regards and enjoy
        Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 23:03:53 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:03:53 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308210037500.26998@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308210037500.26998@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbOWKLRrFkzTSSgA5VMSnmmnzbUG-J0kLHNwcLbxhpZW2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Amazed by your versatility: it has a specific blend of genres that are
unique in each section.
I think they work very well together: impressive blending them together and
still sounding coherent.
Lovely pads sounds, vocals, and production.
Congratulations!

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>   Here is the serious piece of electronic music. Rather more depressive
> than I would have predicted.
>   First though I have to express my gratitude to Alison Utter for the
> sweet vocals, that she has supplied. Thanks! And then we have the links:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**borrowed_time.ogg<http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.ogg>
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**borrowed_time.mp3<http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.mp3>
>   And the lyrics:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**borrowed_time.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.html>
>   Or you can access it all from the music page:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>   Now about that song: technically speaking I used a lot of Midish and
> Nama. And for the first time I really came to appreciate Ecasound's
> LV2-support. So also a big thanks to Jeremy Salwen, who contributed that
> feature!
>   Musically, this is a mixture of different influences. I'm still not
> sure, if it should be categorised as pop or electronica. there's some
> dubstep in this, as well as some hiphop - in German! :-) - and some basic
> depressive pop. As to instruments used: almost everything I have at my
> disposal. In software I only used LinuxSampler for the Solina sample.
> Thanks to the friend, who made a present of it to me! It's a versatile
> instrument!
>   This latest experiment concluded, I will just lean back and relax. As
> ever: feedback is very welcome!
>   Warm regards and enjoy
>        Julien
>
> ------------------------------**----------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
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>
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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 11:19:19 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:19:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Back from LAC2013@IEM-Graz
In-Reply-To: <CAJTYuauLvGUex7YwKzgFgwT6EsiuAmBLHypQvRQ6JRBTAE_0oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTYuauLvGUex7YwKzgFgwT6EsiuAmBLHypQvRQ6JRBTAE_0oA@mail.gmail.com>
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2013/5/23 Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>

>
> It was great! as usual :)
> can't wait for next year..
>
> good luck to everyone and thanks for the report!
> M
>
>
>
>> the same here.
>>
>> thanks everybody for such an amazing event :)
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Absolutely!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Philipp ?berbacher <
>> hollunder at lavabit.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:02:28 +0100
>> >> Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > just babbling around
>> >> >
>> >> > - Back from LAC2013 at IEM-Graz
>> >> >    http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/646
>> >> >
>> >> > so much to tell, so short on time ...
>> >> >
>> >> > cheers
>> >>
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >> I'm also back from Graz (since a week :)), and I just want to say that
>> >> it was really nice to meet all you guys and gals. I had a great time
>> >> and am looking forward to next year.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Philipp
>> >>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
I had some time to watch the videos. I have to say that I would love to go
and meet you all.

Congrats to all.

And I take my hat for Jeremy right there in the scenario with just his
guitar... and Guitarix :). Good songs.

Greetings

-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es
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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 11:24:39 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:24:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Back from LAC2013@IEM-Graz
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5wTtb7zD8J9FwgZdzocmenK-h6m6hQQ6tKjCKsNzravBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTYuauLvGUex7YwKzgFgwT6EsiuAmBLHypQvRQ6JRBTAE_0oA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+O6s5y+N0W95u=hN1AF_MEwvxpwtNjCDdyB24-5QEc1cfjaGw@mail.gmail.com>

2013/8/21 Carlos sanchiavedraz <csanchezgs at gmail.com>

>
>
>
> 2013/5/23 Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
>
>>
>> It was great! as usual :)
>> can't wait for next year..
>>
>> good luck to everyone and thanks for the report!
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>>> the same here.
>>>
>>> thanks everybody for such an amazing event :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Absolutely!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Philipp ?berbacher <
>>> hollunder at lavabit.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:02:28 +0100
>>> >> Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > just babbling around
>>> >> >
>>> >> > - Back from LAC2013 at IEM-Graz
>>> >> >    http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/646
>>> >> >
>>> >> > so much to tell, so short on time ...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > cheers
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi everyone,
>>> >> I'm also back from Graz (since a week :)), and I just want to say that
>>> >> it was really nice to meet all you guys and gals. I had a great time
>>> >> and am looking forward to next year.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Philipp
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
> I had some time to watch the videos. I have to say that I would love to go
> and meet you all.
>
> Congrats to all.
>
>  And I take my hat for Jeremy right there in the scenario with just his
> guitar... and Guitarix :). Good songs.
>
> Greetings
>
> --
> Carlos sanchiavedraz
> * Musix GNU+Linux
>   http://www.musix.es
>

... and also great Lougi's LAC sessions (listening to it right now).
Contextual-plus-point for those samples from Nuno's talk.

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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 11:37:00 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:37:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Another song made with free software
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2013/5/9 Giorgio - Audiophilo <anomalsound at gmail.com>

> Hi everybody,
> just wanted to share another song made at my studio (T.Rex Studio). It's a
> cover of the well known song by Gotye, "Somebody that i used to know".
> As usual i worked only with free software and some external tools
> Unfortunately the guy that made the video works with a Mac :(
> Cheers!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS8DZxiPtMg
>
>
> --
> Giorgio Ba?
> *Sound engineer*
>
> T.Rex Studio
> www.trexstudio.com
>
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>
That is a big-full-bassy-wide sound! For me professional good audio
engineering as any other made professionally with non-floss. First comes
the people behind the tools, not the tools itself.

Would like to know if you could have a great sounding recordings (you know,
the source is the key) or it was all achieved on the mix and master stages
(I guess, as usual, it's a combination).

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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Wed Aug 21 12:06:30 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:06:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
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On 21.08.2013 01:03, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> Amazed by your versatility: it has a specific blend of genres that are 
> unique in each section.
> I think they work very well together: impressive blending them 
> together and still sounding coherent.
> Lovely pads sounds, vocals, and production.
> Congratulations!

I can only second this :D Great work..

Flo


From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Aug 21 12:11:51 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:11:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
In-Reply-To: <5214AD46.5030909@gmx.net>
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Hello you two!
   I can only thank you for the kind words and I'll pass them on to Alison as 
well.
   Kind regards
        Julien

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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Wed Aug 21 12:31:44 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:31:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
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On 08/20/2013 06:49 PM, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>   Here is the serious piece of electronic music. Rather more 
> depressive than I would have predicted.

Wow, Julien, that's beautiful work !

I had no idea you were such a profondo basso. :)

I'd say it's more serious than depressive.

Kudos also to Alison, excellence added to excellence.

Best always,

dp


From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Wed Aug 21 14:43:41 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:43:41 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
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On Wed, August 21, 2013 9:03 am, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> Amazed by your versatility: it has a specific blend of genres that are
> unique in each section.
> I think they work very well together: impressive blending them together
> and
> still sounding coherent.
> Lovely pads sounds, vocals, and production.
> Congratulations!
>

I think Julien just invented a new Genre. Progressive Dubstep.

Well done!

This is one for the history books.


> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Julien Claassen
> <julien at mail.upb.de>wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>   Here is the serious piece of electronic music. Rather more depressive
>> than I would have predicted.
>>   First though I have to express my gratitude to Alison Utter for the
>> sweet vocals, that she has supplied. Thanks! And then we have the links:
>> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**borrowed_time.ogg<http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.ogg>
>> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**borrowed_time.mp3<http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.mp3>
>>   And the lyrics:
>> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**borrowed_time.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/borrowed_time.html>
>>   Or you can access it all from the music page:
>> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>>   Now about that song: technically speaking I used a lot of Midish and
>> Nama. And for the first time I really came to appreciate Ecasound's
>> LV2-support. So also a big thanks to Jeremy Salwen, who contributed that
>> feature!
>>   Musically, this is a mixture of different influences. I'm still not
>> sure, if it should be categorised as pop or electronica. there's some
>> dubstep in this, as well as some hiphop - in German! :-) - and some
>> basic
>> depressive pop. As to instruments used: almost everything I have at my
>> disposal. In software I only used LinuxSampler for the Solina sample.
>> Thanks to the friend, who made a present of it to me! It's a versatile
>> instrument!
>>   This latest experiment concluded, I will just lean back and relax. As
>> ever: feedback is very welcome!
>>   Warm regards and enjoy
>>        Julien
>>
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Aug 21 15:35:41 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:35:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
In-Reply-To: <49230.188.26.170.24.1377096221.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308210037500.26998@flower.world.net>
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 <49230.188.26.170.24.1377096221.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308211731220.1253@flower.world.net>

Hello Patrick!
   Even I, raging, vain egoist of a would-be artist, that I am, can't accept 
this credit. I came across something similar before. there have been artists 
for a while now, who blended the fashion of dubstep with all sorts of ideas. 
There's even a violinist, who plays her instrument to dub, although I don't 
like her work, the idea is sound and resounding enough. and there have been 
people like Skrillex, who mixed and mangled the basic genre of dubstep with 
others from the world of pop. and alas it must be said for them, that they 
produce better and much punchier basslines. :-) It seems, that I must find 
another distortion or overdrive plugin, should I wish to pursue that path 
further.
   Thanks anyway, it goes down like milk and honey. :-)
   Warmly yours
         Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From bluszcz at bluszcz.net  Wed Aug 21 16:06:22 2013
From: bluszcz at bluszcz.net (Rafal Zawadzki)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:06:22 +0300
Subject: [LAU] [new music] cypherpunks coaster / crypto p and "waiting for
	the sun"
Message-ID: <b33075953b5a41ed23f5181ff9bc0d78@appocaliptic.com>

Hey,

last days I was working on these tune, and probably would work bit more 
- but having some changes in my life I decided to postpone few projects 
and publish not finished ones...

Tunes have been produces with the Renoise and Ubuntu + Drums Sumple + 
one jungle loop, one party when Linux was not involved - I resampled few 
sounds from one properiaty synth on osx... (Z3Ta+2 actually)...


So, for people who likes hard hitting things:

https://soundcloud.com/bluszcz/cypherpunks-coaster-crypto-p

but if you are more into decadence - perhaps you should try this one ;)

https://soundcloud.com/bluszcz/waiting-for-the-sun-not

Enjoy,

bluszcz


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From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Aug 21 16:27:59 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:27:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [new music] cypherpunks coaster / crypto p and "waiting
 for the sun"
In-Reply-To: <b33075953b5a41ed23f5181ff9bc0d78@appocaliptic.com>
References: <b33075953b5a41ed23f5181ff9bc0d78@appocaliptic.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308211822170.1253@flower.world.net>

Hello Rafal!
   thanks for sharing your two pieces. I did like cypherpunk. Aggressive enough 
and the jungle beat brigns movement and restlessness into the equation. 
Envigourating!
   I didn't like waiting for the sun not. Or is this two nots at the end there? 
the vocals give it a very whiny feeling, which always reminds me of certain 
britpop icons, whose playing leave me rather cold and I believe there are 
others, on which I'm not keen at all and they certainly won't quench my 
thirst, if I were in a desert. that covers the most wellknown offenders.
   Still the bass of your second production was interesting. I couldn't really 
perceive it a lot audibly. Yes it was there, but neither striking nor 
catching. My intestants told me otherwise. A very interesting effect. to go 
further into it might really be unfair, since I just don't take to its 
atmosphere.
   Cypherpunk though had a good bass, almost reminiscent of those dubstep 
basses. Not as aggressive as they are, but the shadow of it. The slight 
distortion and the pumping action from underneath. And those bell-like, 
FM-style synth sounds in the beginning added another item of curiousity. 
Somehow they attract me.
   Thanks a lot for sharing!
   Warm regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Wed Aug 21 16:28:30 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 18:28:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [new music] cypherpunks coaster / crypto p and "waiting
 for the sun"
In-Reply-To: <b33075953b5a41ed23f5181ff9bc0d78@appocaliptic.com>
References: <b33075953b5a41ed23f5181ff9bc0d78@appocaliptic.com>
Message-ID: <5214EAAE.8010505@gmx.net>

On 21.08.2013 18:06, Rafal Zawadzki wrote:
> Hey,
>
> last days I was working on these tune, and probably would work bit 
> more - but having some changes in my life I decided to postpone few 
> projects and publish not finished ones...
>
> Tunes have been produces with the Renoise and Ubuntu + Drums Sumple + 
> one jungle loop, one party when Linux was not involved - I resampled 
> few sounds from one properiaty synth on osx... (Z3Ta+2 actually)...
>
>
> So, for people who likes hard hitting things:
>
> https://soundcloud.com/bluszcz/cypherpunks-coaster-crypto-p
>
> but if you are more into decadence - perhaps you should try this one ;)
>
> https://soundcloud.com/bluszcz/waiting-for-the-sun-not
>
> Enjoy,
>
> bluszcz

Hi,

I enjoyed the first tune. Pretty hardcore :D The second one's vocals 
were kinda muffled and the overall mix didn't speak to me..

Have fun,
Flo

From bluszcz at bluszcz.net  Wed Aug 21 16:41:01 2013
From: bluszcz at bluszcz.net (Rafal Zawadzki)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:41:01 +0300
Subject: [LAU] [new music] cypherpunks coaster / crypto p and "waiting
 for the sun"
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308211822170.1253@flower.world.net>
References: <b33075953b5a41ed23f5181ff9bc0d78@appocaliptic.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308211822170.1253@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <4c45db116195b4f9e434080d1b39ca3f@appocaliptic.com>

Hi Julien!

Thanks for deep output, I appreciate :)

Waiting for the sun, was kind of unexpected production....

I had a beginning of the tune in Renoise, and lately two friends 
visited me... We got some drinks and so,perhaps too much and we switched 
into 'expression mood'...

We spent not more than 5 minutes for writing lyrics, next 15 for 
recording, i mixed it fast into the song and rest of night we spent it 
listening in the loop.

So it is just personal thing, perhaps explains why I literally didn't 
pay too much attention to production at all...

Bass for Waiting for a sun was effect of long experimenting with my 
synthesis of sound... I was aiming for something between 80s and little 
not so deep techno bass..

It is really cool feedback Julien,

everything best to you.

Rafal

On 21.08.2013 19:27, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello Rafal!
>   thanks for sharing your two pieces. I did like cypherpunk.
> Aggressive enough and the jungle beat brigns movement and restlessness
> into the equation. Envigourating!
>   I didn't like waiting for the sun not. Or is this two nots at the
> end there? the vocals give it a very whiny feeling, which always
> reminds me of certain britpop icons, whose playing leave me rather
> cold and I believe there are others, on which I'm not keen at all and
> they certainly won't quench my thirst, if I were in a desert. that
> covers the most wellknown offenders.
>   Still the bass of your second production was interesting. I
> couldn't really perceive it a lot audibly. Yes it was there, but
> neither striking nor catching. My intestants told me otherwise. A very
> interesting effect. to go further into it might really be unfair,
> since I just don't take to its atmosphere.
>   Cypherpunk though had a good bass, almost reminiscent of those
> dubstep basses. Not as aggressive as they are, but the shadow of it.
> The slight distortion and the pumping action from underneath. And
> those bell-like, FM-style synth sounds in the beginning added another
> item of curiousity. Somehow they attract me.
>   Thanks a lot for sharing!
>   Warm regards
>          Julien
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

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From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Wed Aug 21 16:51:19 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:51:19 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308211731220.1253@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308210037500.26998@flower.world.net>
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On Thu, August 22, 2013 1:35 am, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello Patrick!
>    Even I, raging, vain egoist of a would-be artist, that I am, can't
> accept
> this credit.

Progressive Dubstep has been redefined then :-)

On a day when Fukushima has been upgraded to level 3 after more than 2
years of continuously emitting toxic pollution into the Pacific Ocean and
the supposedly democratic New Zealand Government has enacted an
unprecedented attack on their own population under the guise of protecting
people from terrorism it's good to hear that others are still making
things move forward for the better.

The saddest part about the fascists power grab in New Zealand is that it
just confirms all the worst things people say about New York Banksters.
Moral of the story, don't let a fascist New York Bankster run your
country.  I guess one day people will actually learn that one.


>I came across something similar before. there have been
> artists
> for a while now, who blended the fashion of dubstep with all sorts of
> ideas.
> There's even a violinist, who plays her instrument to dub, although I
> don't
> like her work, the idea is sound and resounding enough. and there have
> been
> people like Skrillex, who mixed and mangled the basic genre of dubstep
> with
> others from the world of pop. and alas it must be said for them, that they
> produce better and much punchier basslines. :-) It seems, that I must find
> another distortion or overdrive plugin, should I wish to pursue that path
> further.
>    Thanks anyway, it goes down like milk and honey. :-)
>    Warmly yours
>          Julien
>

I think it time for a dubstep version of "F*ck you I won't do what you
tell me" by Rage Against The Machine... Anyone up for that remix? I have
some lyrics I have been working on.




--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From brouits at free.fr  Wed Aug 21 20:35:51 2013
From: brouits at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Rouits?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:35:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Cadenza for Flute and Csound Synthesizers
In-Reply-To: <20130820212929.GA16354@linuxaudio.org>
References: <52136783.802@woh.rr.com> <5213D3E2.9060402@free.fr>
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Le 20/08/2013 23:29, Fons Adriaensen a ?crit :
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:38:58PM +0200, Beno?t Rouits wrote:
>
>> Le 20/08/2013 14:56, Dave Phillips a ?crit :
>>
>>> Old school with new tools.
>
>> Excellent. I would like to hear this with an actual flute player.
>> The Csound part is also superb. Thanks for sharing !
>
> Same here ! Made me stop work, sit back, and listen.
>
> The dodecaphonic row definitely is Berg's, but the atmosphere
> made me think of Takemitsu...

Absolutely, seems Takemitsu is flying around.
I think actually of "From me flows what you call time"
for flute, orchestra and percussion. This is also a
wonderful piece.
- Ben

From tim at quitte.de  Wed Aug 21 20:54:52 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:54:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Cadenza for Flute and Csound Synthesizers
In-Reply-To: <20130820212929.GA16354@linuxaudio.org>
References: <52136783.802@woh.rr.com> <5213D3E2.9060402@free.fr>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308202343380.16530@spring>

[Fons Adriaensen]

>On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:38:58PM +0200, Beno?t Rouits wrote:
>
>> Le 20/08/2013 14:56, Dave Phillips a ?crit :
>>
>> > Old school with new tools.
> 
>> Excellent. I would like to hear this with an actual flute player.
>> The Csound part is also superb. Thanks for sharing !
>
>Same here ! Made me stop work, sit back, and listen. 
>
>The dodecaphonic row definitely is Berg's, but the atmosphere
>made me think of Takemitsu... 

The harmony part reminded me of Mayumi Miyata first, the Sho player of
such delicate steadiness.

IMO, the synthesised flute lacks the nuance to build the kind of flow
a melody like this needs to show the true depth of the composition.
Have to agree I'd like to hear it again, best with the melody played
by an instrumentalist who can "sing it". 

Tim

From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 13:36:49 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:36:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface MIDI ports just showing on advanced mode
In-Reply-To: <52111FE2.9010003@ladisch.de>
References: <CA+O6s5yF=WM0SrBCruNQr+yTZhkuJhvRv3JnS_kL5KQBSaQkxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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2013/8/18 Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>

> Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
> > The MIDI port on my UA25EX just shows up when audio card is in advanced
> > driver mode
>
> In Windows, the advanced mode is intended to be used with the Roland
> drivers; disabling it should be necessary only when you're using it with
> a system where these drivers are not installed.  Due to bugs in the
> built-in Windows USB MIDI driver, MIDI is made available only in
> advanced mode.
>
> In theory, Linux should support advanced mode.
>

It is supported; the problem is that for the moment Jack doesn't start in
this mode. There are some issues in RPi related to Jack, using USB 1 or USB
2 and the advance mode.



> > which by now is not the main mode I'm playing because of problems with
> > this mode on Raspberry PI (for the moment It runs with jack1 and it
> > won't start in advanced mode).
>
> Which kernel are you using?  To other programs (i.e., aplay/arecord)
> work?
>

Kernel is Raspberry 's, it seems Linux 3.6.11:

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux


>
> > I suppose that with Jack2 this won't be a problem
>
> If this is a driver problem, Jack2 will not work either.
>
>
> Regards,
> Clemens
>

Yes, you're right, is not about the driver. I meant what I mentioned before
about Jack problems with RPi.


Thanks, Clemens.


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From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:43:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface MIDI ports just showing on advanced mode
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2013/8/18 Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>

> On 08/18/2013 09:26 PM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> > Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
> >> The MIDI port on my UA25EX just shows up when audio card is in advanced
> >> driver mode
> >
> > In Windows, the advanced mode is intended to be used with the Roland
> > drivers; disabling it should be necessary only when you're using it with
> > a system where these drivers are not installed.  Due to bugs in the
> > built-in Windows USB MIDI driver, MIDI is made available only in
> > advanced mode.
> >
> > In theory, Linux should support advanced mode.
> >
> >> which by now is not the main mode I'm playing because of problems with
> >> this mode on Raspberry PI (for the moment It runs with jack1 and it
> >> won't start in advanced mode).
> >
> > Which kernel are you using?  To other programs (i.e., aplay/arecord)
> > work?
> >
> >> I suppose that with Jack2 this won't be a problem
> >
> > If this is a driver problem, Jack2 will not work either.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clemens
>
>
> I have the same issue with my UA25 on a Raspberry Pi. With advanced mode
> enabled the UA25 simply doesn't work well on the RPi. JACK does start
> but a lot of xruns are generated. My guess is that this is probably due
> to the poor USB implementation of the RPi. The workaround I use is
> adding an extra USB-MIDI cable.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
I thought that maybe someone could find some workaround. Well, by now I'll
stick with that "to be or not to be UA25 in/out MIDI". Let's see if we can
find some solution.

Thanks Jeremy.

-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es
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From brummer- at web.de  Sat Aug 24 04:44:16 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:44:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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Am 20.08.2013 23:39, schrieb Harry van Haaren:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Raffaele Morelli 
> <raffaele.morelli at gmail.com <mailto:raffaele.morelli at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > So. Which kernel release are you running?

I've run 3.6.1-rt1 for some time, without any issue, yesterday I've 
switched to 3.10.9-rt5 which run flawless up to now.
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From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 04:59:13 2013
From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:59:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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Did you enable dynticks?


2013/8/24 hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de>

>  Am 20.08.2013 23:39, schrieb Harry van Haaren:
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Raffaele Morelli <
> raffaele.morelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So. Which kernel release are you running?
>
>
> I've run 3.6.1-rt1 for some time, without any issue, yesterday I've
> switched to 3.10.9-rt5 which run flawless up to now.
>
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From brummer- at web.de  Sat Aug 24 05:58:33 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:58:33 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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Am 24.08.2013 06:59, schrieb Raffaele Morelli:
> Did you enable dynticks?
>
>
No, as far I can see the /CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL  option isn't available, /

> 2013/8/24 hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de <mailto:brummer- at web.de>>
>
>     Am 20.08.2013 23:39, schrieb Harry van Haaren:
>>     On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Raffaele Morelli
>>     <raffaele.morelli at gmail.com <mailto:raffaele.morelli at gmail.com>>
>>     wrote:
>>     > So. Which kernel release are you running?
>
>     I've run 3.6.1-rt1 for some time, without any issue, yesterday
>     I've switched to 3.10.9-rt5 which run flawless up to now.
>
>
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 24 08:19:38 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:19:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 07:58 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
> Am 24.08.2013 06:59, schrieb Raffaele Morelli:
> 
> > Did you enable dynticks?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> No, as far I can see the  CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL  option isn't available

We should test it. Unfortunately I couldn't test it, since the kernel
with the rt3 patch didn't run on my machine, I'll test the new
patch/kernel ASAP.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 24 08:21:39 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:21:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <1377332378.1952.256.camel@archlinux>
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On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 10:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 07:58 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
> > Am 24.08.2013 06:59, schrieb Raffaele Morelli:
> > 
> > > Did you enable dynticks?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > No, as far I can see the  CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL  option isn't available
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oops, didn't read carefully, it's not _available_ anymore?

> We should test it. Unfortunately I couldn't test it, since the kernel
> with the rt3 patch didn't run on my machine, I'll test the new
> patch/kernel ASAP.



From mariusjanssen at gmx.de  Sat Aug 24 08:41:18 2013
From: mariusjanssen at gmx.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marius_Jan=DFen?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:41:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New laptop - advice needed
In-Reply-To: <5213CC7C.3030402@rahul.net>
References: <5211BB26.3020003@youmail.dk>
 <20130819194436.uezmykhh4wcck40g@www.musikhuset.org>
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Message-ID: <521871AE.4010005@gmx.de>

Am 20.08.2013 22:07, schrieb Ken Dawson:
>
> On 08/20/2013 06:23 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
>> On 08/19/2013 07:44 PM, Peder Hedlund wrote:
>>
>> What should I look for in an SSD? How to make sure it physically fits and
>> is not a old and slow generation?
>>
> SSDs I've seen are physically the same size as laptop drives, so that
> should be no issue.  But, they are only available as SATA drives.  If
> your x61 is IDE, that's a problem.  It all depends on how old it is.
>
> /ken
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
Let me chime in here, please.

There are SSDs with IDE connectors.
There is an Austrian price checker portal with a good search function
http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=hdssd
 From there you can make a refinement of your searches as in form factor 
and interface.
Once you got oversight of what is in stores right now or what SSD you 
prefer you might search for that in your country.

God bless, Marius

From brummer- at web.de  Sat Aug 24 12:13:32 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:13:32 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <1377332499.1952.258.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAD4guxNJVi+n4v6eUFJTtDKWciL1YyDdxF6L3cxhDw-Gbx40hQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 24.08.2013 10:21, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 10:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 07:58 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
>>> Am 24.08.2013 06:59, schrieb Raffaele Morelli:
>>>
>>>> Did you enable dynticks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, as far I can see the  CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL  option isn't available
>                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Oops, didn't read carefully, it's not _available_ anymore?
>

No, don't anymore, the opposite, . .
CONFIG_NO_HZ is available, but CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL still isn't (if I 
didn't overlook it in the config)

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM2NTA

>> We should test it. Unfortunately I couldn't test it, since the kernel
>> with the rt3 patch didn't run on my machine, I'll test the new
>> patch/kernel ASAP.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 24 12:25:28 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:25:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <5218A36C.7010601@web.de>
References: <CAD4guxNJVi+n4v6eUFJTtDKWciL1YyDdxF6L3cxhDw-Gbx40hQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1377347128.1952.262.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 14:13 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
> CONFIG_NO_HZ is available, but CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL still isn't

But it was. From a private mail a while ago:

On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 19:01 +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
> jack at tor /home/jack $ uname -a
> Linux tor 3.10.6-rt3-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Aug 13 13:59:13 CEST
> 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux 
> jack at tor /home/jack $ zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz 
> CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
> # CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
> CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
> # CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
> # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
> # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
> CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
> CONFIG_HZ=1000
> jack at tor /home/jack $

I was willing to test the kernel when it's enabled, but the kernel did
cause an issue on my machine already when it was disabled.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 24 12:41:00 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:41:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <5218A36C.7010601@web.de>
References: <CAD4guxNJVi+n4v6eUFJTtDKWciL1YyDdxF6L3cxhDw-Gbx40hQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1377348060.1952.267.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 14:13 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
> if I didn't overlook it in the config

It is in this config for 3.10.9-rt5:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-rt/

When I'll build the kernel within the next days I'll enable it. Arch
users who'll build it too, please enable it for testing purpose, it's
disabled by default.


From brummer- at web.de  Sat Aug 24 12:46:01 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:46:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <1377347128.1952.262.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAD4guxNJVi+n4v6eUFJTtDKWciL1YyDdxF6L3cxhDw-Gbx40hQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 24.08.2013 14:25, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 14:13 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
>> CONFIG_NO_HZ is available, but CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL still isn't
> But it was. From a private mail a while ago:
>
> On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 19:01 +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
>> jack at tor /home/jack $ uname -a
>> Linux tor 3.10.6-rt3-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Aug 13 13:59:13 CEST
>> 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>> jack at tor /home/jack $ zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz
>> CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
>> # CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
>> CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
>> # CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
>> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
>> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
>> # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
>> # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
>> CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
>> CONFIG_HZ=1000
>> jack at tor /home/jack $
> I was willing to test the kernel when it's enabled, but the kernel did
> cause an issue on my machine already when it was disabled.
>
Here is what I get

uname -a
Linux box 3.10.9-rt5 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Aug 23 11:14:14 CEST 2013 
i686 GNU/Linux

zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz
CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC=y
# CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE is not set
# CONFIG_NO_HZ is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
CONFIG_HZ=1000

This is plain vanila +rt patch.

From djbarney at djbarney.org  Sat Aug 24 13:03:42 2013
From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:03:42 +0000
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <5218AB09.7060800@web.de>
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Quoting hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de>:

> Am 24.08.2013 14:25, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
>> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 14:13 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ is available, but CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL still isn't
>> But it was. From a private mail a while ago:
>>
>> On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 19:01 +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
>>> jack at tor /home/jack $ uname -a
>>> Linux tor 3.10.6-rt3-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Aug 13 13:59:13 CEST
>>> 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>> jack at tor /home/jack $ zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz
>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
>>> # CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
>>> # CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
>>> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
>>> # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
>>> # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
>>> CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
>>> CONFIG_HZ=1000
>>> jack at tor /home/jack $
>> I was willing to test the kernel when it's enabled, but the kernel did
>> cause an issue on my machine already when it was disabled.
>>
> Here is what I get
>
> uname -a
> Linux box 3.10.9-rt5 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Aug 23 11:14:14 CEST 2013  
> i686 GNU/Linux
>
> zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz
> CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC=y
> # CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE is not set
> # CONFIG_NO_HZ is not set
> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
> # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
> # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
> CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
> CONFIG_HZ=1000
>
> This is plain vanila +rt patch.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

There are some reasons for not having to set some of these high  
resolution timers, especially if you are using MIDI through Jack. See  
-  
http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10058&p=44078#p43871


From tim at quitte.de  Sat Aug 24 13:14:14 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:14:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>

CAPS Audio Plugin Suite 0.9.12
http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html

New in this release:
Eq4p, a four-way parametric equaliser
http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq4p

(Unlike Fons', this one uses parallel processing but lacks control
smoothening other than that provided by a continuous IIR filter
history.)

Elsewhere, a few stupid bugs have been fixed (one of them keeping
PhaserII from reaching strong effect levels), the documentation has
undergone a major revision, many plugins have been polished, some
renamed, and lots of unnecessary ones have been removed.

http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Download

Enjoy!

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 24 14:15:00 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:15:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <20130824130342.114378b9st22iwj2@server34.abstractdns.com>
References: <CAD4guxNJVi+n4v6eUFJTtDKWciL1YyDdxF6L3cxhDw-Gbx40hQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 13:03 +0000, Barney Holmes wrote:
> http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10058&p=44078#p43871

Thank you. I'll test it. I startet enabling HR timer a long time ago,
because I got less MIDI jitter, but nowadays I get many xruns, when
using another sound card, then I used in the past. Perhaps I get rid of
some xruns, if I disable hr timer.


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Aug 24 14:44:56 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:44:56 +0000
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
Message-ID: <20130824144456.GA13956@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 03:14:14PM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:

> New in this release:
> Eq4p, a four-way parametric equaliser
> http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq4p

* Insert in Ardour's master strip.
* Make sure your speakers are disconnected.
* Provide some input signal at around -20 dB.
* Set first section to bandpass, Q = 0.8, gain = +15 dB.
* Use the mouse wheel on the frequency slider.
* Observe output levels well above +40 dB.

The F slider switching between its extremes when using the 
mouse wheel is of course a bug in A3. But it still provides
valid input to the plugin (which could come from automation
or MIDI as well).

Apart from this, it also produces multiplicative LF noise
at some low frequency settings. This is typical for type of
filter used.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From tim at quitte.de  Sat Aug 24 19:56:47 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:56:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <20130824144456.GA13956@linuxaudio.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308242144570.16530@spring>

[Fons Adriaensen]

>On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 03:14:14PM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:
>> Eq4p, a four-way parametric equaliser
>> http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq4p
[...]
>The F slider switching between its extremes when using the 
>mouse wheel is of course a bug in A3. But it still provides
>valid input to the plugin (which could come from automation
>or MIDI as well).

Thanks a lot for the evaluation and the problem report; I hope this
hasn't caused damage to your ears (which I value highly!) or
equipment.  It adds to the evidence that implementing thorough control
smoothening is inevitable in the long run.

>Apart from this, it also produces multiplicative LF noise
>at some low frequency settings. This is typical for type of
>filter used.

I haven't been able to measure such noise at anywhere near audible
levels, not even when followed by high-gain saturation.  If you have,
can you point out an input signal and settings that can provoke it?

Thank you,
Tim

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Aug 24 21:48:13 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:48:13 +0000
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308242144570.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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Message-ID: <20130824214813.GA26058@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 09:56:47PM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:
 
> Thanks a lot for the evaluation and the problem report; I hope this
> hasn't caused damage to your ears (which I value highly!) or
> equipment.

I've learned to mute monitoring while doing such tests...

> It adds to the evidence that implementing thorough control
> smoothening is inevitable in the long run.

That may or not solve the problem. You have 3 input parameters
(P), and 5 biquad coefficients (C). Interpolating the C can
make a biquad unstable, and if this happens it doesn't matter
how fast or slow you do it. The only solution is to interpolate
the C only between sets of values that correspond to values of
the P that are not too far apart. So you need two levels, first
on the P to limit the rate of change of the parameters, then on
the C to avoid zipper noise.

> >Apart from this, it also produces multiplicative LF noise
> >at some low frequency settings. This is typical for type of
> >filter used.
> 
> I haven't been able to measure such noise at anywhere near audible
> levels, not even when followed by high-gain saturation.  If you have,
> can you point out an input signal and settings that can provoke it?

The noise remains below audible levels in this case (there
are some plugins that are much worse). But it is still much
higher than it should be. The reason is that a biquad is not
the right filter for this job, at least not at low frequencies.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From tim at quitte.de  Sat Aug 24 22:21:52 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 00:21:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <20130824214813.GA26058@linuxaudio.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308242351320.16530@spring>

[Fons Adriaensen]

>I've learned to mute monitoring while doing such tests...

I was suspecting you had :)

>> It adds to the evidence that implementing thorough control
>> smoothening is inevitable in the long run.
>
>That may or not solve the problem. You have 3 input parameters
>(P), and 5 biquad coefficients (C). Interpolating the C can
>make a biquad unstable, and if this happens it doesn't matter
>how fast or slow you do it. The only solution is to interpolate
>the C only between sets of values that correspond to values of
>the P that are not too far apart. So you need two levels, first
>on the P to limit the rate of change of the parameters, then on
>the C to avoid zipper noise.

I'm planning to evade this problem by crossfading between two parallel
static filters.  Some phase mismatch issues can probably be expected
when the parameter sweep covers a larger range, but I'm hopeful it
will turn out not to be much of a problem in actual practice, and that
we will find out soon.  It really needs a fix.

Tim

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Aug 24 23:05:37 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:05:37 +0000
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308242351320.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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Message-ID: <20130824230537.GB26058@linuxaudio.org>

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:21:52AM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:

> I'm planning to evade this problem by crossfading between two parallel
> static filters.  Some phase mismatch issues can probably be expected
> when the parameter sweep covers a larger range, but I'm hopeful it
> will turn out not to be much of a problem in actual practice, and that
> we will find out soon.  It really needs a fix.

I doubt very much if that will provide a practiacal solution. 
The state of the filter depends on signal history. Depending
on the parameters, this could be quite long. So you would
either have to 

* run the new filter (with the new parameters) for some
  time before crossfading, which will complicate the
  code, or

* copy the state of the old into the new filter, but
  with a biquad this can again produce quite heavy
  spikes wich may last much longer than your crossfade.
  This can happen even when both the  new and old filter
  are set to 0 dB gain.

The simple solution is to smooth the input parameters,
limiting their rate of change. Nobody expects an EQ
section to change from 100 Hz to 10 kHz in less than
half a second (unless it's a synth VCF module, but then
you definitely need something else than a biquad).

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From tim at quitte.de  Sun Aug 25 00:00:27 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 02:00:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <20130824230537.GB26058@linuxaudio.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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[Fons Adriaensen]

>On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:21:52AM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:
>
>> I'm planning to evade this problem by crossfading between two parallel
>> static filters.  Some phase mismatch issues can probably be expected
>> when the parameter sweep covers a larger range, but I'm hopeful it
>> will turn out not to be much of a problem in actual practice, and that
>> we will find out soon.  It really needs a fix.
>
>I doubt very much if that will provide a practiacal solution. 
>The state of the filter depends on signal history. Depending
>on the parameters, this could be quite long. 

I think the question deciding the quality of the filter fade is, how
big will the phase difference between the two filters be?  Amplitude
differences shouldn't matter when we crossfade, as long as we're not
phase-canceling. 

These are very simple filters that don't take long to settle on a
stable phase relationship.  A reasonably small parameter change will
not change their phase response by much, so my expectation is that
there will be only little cancellation and the fade thus close to
imperceptible; at most a slight attenuation of high-frequency content.
Just theorising over a glass of wine though.

>The simple solution is to smooth the input parameters,
>limiting their rate of change. Nobody expects an EQ
>section to change from 100 Hz to 10 kHz in less than
>half a second (unless it's a synth VCF module, but then
>you definitely need something else than a biquad).

Yes, that is a very convenient way to solve it, perhaps the preferable
one given the realities.

Tim

From brummer- at web.de  Sun Aug 25 04:51:20 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 06:51:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <20130824130342.114378b9st22iwj2@server34.abstractdns.com>
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Am 24.08.2013 15:03, schrieb Barney Holmes:
> Quoting hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de>:
>
>> Am 24.08.2013 14:25, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
>>> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 14:13 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
>>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ is available, but CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL still isn't
>>> But it was. From a private mail a while ago:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2013-08-13 at 19:01 +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
>>>> jack at tor /home/jack $ uname -a
>>>> Linux tor 3.10.6-rt3-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Aug 13 13:59:13 CEST
>>>> 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>> jack at tor /home/jack $ zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz
>>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
>>>> # CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
>>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
>>>> # CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
>>>> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
>>>> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
>>>> # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
>>>> # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
>>>> CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
>>>> CONFIG_HZ=1000
>>>> jack at tor /home/jack $
>>> I was willing to test the kernel when it's enabled, but the kernel did
>>> cause an issue on my machine already when it was disabled.
>>>
>> Here is what I get
>>
>> uname -a
>> Linux box 3.10.9-rt5 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Aug 23 11:14:14 CEST 2013 
>> i686 GNU/Linux
>>
>> zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz
>> CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC=y
>> # CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE is not set
>> # CONFIG_NO_HZ is not set
>> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
>> # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
>> # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
>> CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
>> CONFIG_HZ=1000
>>
>> This is plain vanila +rt patch.
>>
>

Aha, found out why I haven't the  CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL option,
it is marked as 64bit only, but I run i686,

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.kernel/nq3HSPY3-Vg
>  - it's marked 64-bit only at the moment - the 32-bit support patch is
>    small but did not get ready in time. 



> There are some reasons for not having to set some of these high 
> resolution timers, especially if you are using MIDI through Jack. See 
> - http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10058&p=44078#p43871
>


From julien at mail.upb.de  Sun Aug 25 08:20:36 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:20:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] talenthack/mod-host/lilv problem
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308251011130.13101@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   I've tried to load the talenthack LV2 plugin in mod-host and I get the 
following error:
lilv_lib_open(): error: Failed to open library 
/usr/local/lib/lv2/talentedhack.lv2/talentedhack.so 
(/usr/local/lib/lv2/talentedhack.lv2/talentedhack.so: undefined symbol: 
fftwf_plan_dft_r2c_1d)
can't get lilv instance
resp -102
   I can't really localise, where the problem is. The plugin itself is not even 
linked to one of the fftw libraries and ldd doesn't complain about anything 
related to that. Neither is any of liblilv, libsratom, libserd or libsord. 
Though liblilv does link to libdl. But if there was a place for that, I should 
imagine it would be in talenthack itself. The compilation of that did offer no 
problems though.
   I have libfftw3f and libfftw3l installed in /usr/local/lib and libfftw3 
without any suffix in /usr/lib/ . what can the problem be?
   Warm regards
         Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From brummer- at web.de  Sun Aug 25 09:13:21 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:13:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] talenthack/mod-host/lilv problem
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308251011130.13101@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308251011130.13101@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <5219CAB1.9080002@web.de>

Am 25.08.2013 10:20, schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hello everyone!
>   I've tried to load the talenthack LV2 plugin in mod-host and I get 
> the following error:
> lilv_lib_open(): error: Failed to open library 
> /usr/local/lib/lv2/talentedhack.lv2/talentedhack.so 
> (/usr/local/lib/lv2/talentedhack.lv2/talentedhack.so: undefined 
> symbol: fftwf_plan_dft_r2c_1d)
> can't get lilv instance
> resp -102
>   I can't really localise, where the problem is. The plugin itself is 
> not even linked to one of the fftw libraries and ldd doesn't complain 
> about anything related to that. 
have just build it out of curios, according to the makefile it needs 
fftw3f, and ldd gives

ldd talentedhack.so
     linux-gate.so.1 (0xb7799000)
     libfftw3f.so.3 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfftw3f.so.3 (0xb7579000)
     libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb73c9000)
     libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xb7385000)
     /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb779a000)



> Neither is any of liblilv, libsratom, libserd or libsord. Though 
> liblilv does link to libdl. But if there was a place for that, I 
> should imagine it would be in talenthack itself. The compilation of 
> that did offer no problems though.
>   I have libfftw3f and libfftw3l installed in /usr/local/lib and 
> libfftw3 without any suffix in /usr/lib/ . what can the problem be?
>   Warm regards
>         Julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From tim at quitte.de  Sun Aug 25 14:15:35 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:15:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.13, Re: [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308250111040.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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The new version of CAPS comes -- among other, minor changes -- with
control input smoothening for Eq4p, establishing gentle manners in the
face of even the most drastic parameter changes:

http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Download

Due to an unrelated change, the plugin will even run slightly quicker
with static parameters.

The filter cross-fade has the nice additional property of softening
the transition between different filter types somewhat.  

Still pondering generic lowpass control smoothening, but it appears to
be best applied centrally so all plugins can benefit.

Enjoy!

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Aug 25 16:47:44 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:47:44 +0000
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.13, Re: [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308251536280.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 04:15:35PM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:

> Still pondering generic lowpass control smoothening, but it appears to
> be best applied centrally so all plugins can benefit.


I'd disagree about that. In general a host has not idea of
what is required to do this correctly. Same for interpolating
e.g. automation data.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From markhadman at googlemail.com  Sun Aug 25 16:51:41 2013
From: markhadman at googlemail.com (mark hadman)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:41 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308250111040.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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Message-ID: <CAKTg4-UwKWXz-PF2za6kA3zajG0grvHZZgG6k9akuCVdgD_7Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, thanks for the software!

I'm using Lorenz as a modulation source, but it appears that amplitude
decreases greatly as I slow down the rate. Is there a high pass / DC
blocking filter somewhere in there?


Here's my code, in Supercollider:
{SinOsc.ar(freq: 100 * (2 ** LADSPA.ar(1,1774,0.01,1,1,0,100)))}.play

thanks again,
Mark Hadman

On 25 August 2013 01:00, Tim Goetze <tim at quitte.de> wrote:
> [Fons Adriaensen]
>
>>On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:21:52AM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning to evade this problem by crossfading between two parallel
>>> static filters.  Some phase mismatch issues can probably be expected
>>> when the parameter sweep covers a larger range, but I'm hopeful it
>>> will turn out not to be much of a problem in actual practice, and that
>>> we will find out soon.  It really needs a fix.
>>
>>I doubt very much if that will provide a practiacal solution.
>>The state of the filter depends on signal history. Depending
>>on the parameters, this could be quite long.
>
> I think the question deciding the quality of the filter fade is, how
> big will the phase difference between the two filters be?  Amplitude
> differences shouldn't matter when we crossfade, as long as we're not
> phase-canceling.
>
> These are very simple filters that don't take long to settle on a
> stable phase relationship.  A reasonably small parameter change will
> not change their phase response by much, so my expectation is that
> there will be only little cancellation and the fade thus close to
> imperceptible; at most a slight attenuation of high-frequency content.
> Just theorising over a glass of wine though.
>
>>The simple solution is to smooth the input parameters,
>>limiting their rate of change. Nobody expects an EQ
>>section to change from 100 Hz to 10 kHz in less than
>>half a second (unless it's a synth VCF module, but then
>>you definitely need something else than a biquad).
>
> Yes, that is a very convenient way to solve it, perhaps the preferable
> one given the realities.
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

From tim at quitte.de  Sun Aug 25 17:00:57 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:00:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.13, Re: [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <20130825164744.GA29914@linuxaudio.org>
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[Fons Adriaensen]
>On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 04:15:35PM +0200, Tim Goetze wrote:
>> Still pondering generic lowpass control smoothening, but it appears to
>> be best applied centrally so all plugins can benefit.
>
>I'd disagree about that. In general a host has not idea of
>what is required to do this correctly. Same for interpolating
>e.g. automation data.

Ah, sorry, I was being vague.  "Applied centrally" within CAPS, not
host-side.

Thanks again for the helpful discussion,
Tim

From tim at quitte.de  Sun Aug 25 17:33:58 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:33:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
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[mark hadman]
>I'm using Lorenz as a modulation source, but it appears that amplitude
>decreases greatly as I slow down the rate. Is there a high pass / DC
>blocking filter somewhere in there?

Yes, there is.  

This effect of the hp filter will be greatly reduced when I get to
implement the same fix that the Roessler fractal has already seen,
subtraction of a DC constant on each of the three axes.

Thank you for the reminder,
Tim

From surfacepatterns at gmail.com  Sun Aug 25 19:51:00 2013
From: surfacepatterns at gmail.com (Devin Anderson)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:51:00 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Video Tutorial on `synthclone`
Message-ID: <CAG7zqTpdJKEsF2XPTZ+CB02xGv1KwJ5rh4_gW-ZoMLX5pRb7Kg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Glen MacArthur, the creator of AVLinux, recorded a video tutorial
about `synthclone`, and how he used `synthclone` to create a Hydrogen
drum kit using the sounds from Addictive Drums:

    http://vimeo.com/73053302

Glen did a fantastic job of addressing the different parts of the
`synthclone` workflow.  I highly recommend this tutorial to anyone
attempting to get up to speed on using `synthclone`.

Thanks, Glen!

-- 
Devin Anderson
surfacepatterns (at) gmail (dot) com

blog - http://surfacepatterns.blogspot.com/
midisnoop - http://midisnoop.googlecode.com/
psinsights - http://psinsights.googlecode.com/
synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/

From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Sun Aug 25 21:37:41 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:37:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Video Tutorial on `synthclone`
In-Reply-To: <CAG7zqTpdJKEsF2XPTZ+CB02xGv1KwJ5rh4_gW-ZoMLX5pRb7Kg@mail.gmail.com>
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Like I've said elsewhere, it's great to see Synthclone getting some well
deserved attention! I have gone through the tutorial once and plan on doing
so again soon.

Awesome work on the tutorial Glen, and awesome work on Synthclone Devin!
Synthclone s very powerful, and very well crafted. Thanks for sharing it
with everyone!
On Aug 25, 2013 9:51 PM, "Devin Anderson" <surfacepatterns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Glen MacArthur, the creator of AVLinux, recorded a video tutorial
> about `synthclone`, and how he used `synthclone` to create a Hydrogen
> drum kit using the sounds from Addictive Drums:
>
>     http://vimeo.com/73053302
>
> Glen did a fantastic job of addressing the different parts of the
> `synthclone` workflow.  I highly recommend this tutorial to anyone
> attempting to get up to speed on using `synthclone`.
>
> Thanks, Glen!
>
> --
> Devin Anderson
> surfacepatterns (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> blog - http://surfacepatterns.blogspot.com/
> midisnoop - http://midisnoop.googlecode.com/
> psinsights - http://psinsights.googlecode.com/
> synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/
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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 26 00:49:55 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:49:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] a tango
Message-ID: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

An ominous but not an anonymous tango :

https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/tango-in-cm-for-strings-and

For the non-nebulous :

     http://linux-sound.org/audio/Tango.mp3

     http://linux-sound.org/audio/Tango.ogg

Plain old tonic/dominant stuff here, all in moody good fun.

Best,

dp


From lists at quirq.net  Mon Aug 26 01:29:05 2013
From: lists at quirq.net (Q)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:29:05 +0100
Subject: [LAU] a tango
In-Reply-To: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>
References: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <521AAF61.1040506@quirq.net>

On 26/08/13 01:49, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> An ominous but not an anonymous tango :
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/tango-in-cm-for-strings-and
> 
> For the non-nebulous :
> 
>     http://linux-sound.org/audio/Tango.mp3
> 
>     http://linux-sound.org/audio/Tango.ogg
> 
> Plain old tonic/dominant stuff here, all in moody good fun.
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
> 

It's 2.25 am here and the music seems to perfectly fit the time -- dark
and ominous and scotch-fuelled (cheap crap, rather than any of the
dozens of decent single malts at hand -- not that that's a reflection on
the quality of the music, but it somehow seems fitting to mention).

Would be perfect in a Lynch movie. Great stuff.

Q


From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug 26 07:17:07 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:17:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] talenthack/mod-host/lilv problem
In-Reply-To: <5219CAB1.9080002@web.de>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308251011130.13101@flower.world.net>
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Hello Hermann!
   This is really strange. Why then don't I even get an error about not finding 
the correct fftw library, when building or doing ldd ?
   Any ideas anyone?
   Warm regards
         julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug 26 07:30:12 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:30:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] a tango
In-Reply-To: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>
References: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>
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Hello Dave!
   Yes, I can see, what Q meant, when he said, that your tango would be fitting 
in a Lynch movie. I had no idea, what you could mean by "ominous", but now I 
know and it's very good. The sounds are rather cheap, but that's not the 
music's fault. :-)
   Thank you!
   Warm regards
          Julien

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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 26 09:00:50 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:00:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
Message-ID: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>

Hi :)

on my machine 3.10.6-rt3 and 3.10.9-rt5 x86_64 don't work properly.
Linux 3.10.9 doesn't cause issues. The last kernel-rt I used before the
3.10-rt kernels was 3.8.13-rt14, not used for audio production, but for
daily desktop usage without issues.

When running 3.10.9-rt5 even a terminal can't be opened anymore.
Xfce-terminal and xterm open without a prompt, Ctrl+Alt+F-keys don't
work. A shutdown does start delayed and then takes an hour without
completely finishing.

Does a 3.10-rt kernel work for someone on x86_64 architecture without
issues? The mobo is an ASUS M2A-VM HDMI with an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1
GHz, BE-2350 and 4 GiB RAM.

Only tested with Arch Linux, perhaps I should test linux-3.10-rt on
Ubuntu Studio too, not done until now, because building takes around two
hours.

Regards,
Ralf


From vicsto at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 11:16:55 2013
From: vicsto at gmail.com (Victor A. Stoichita)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:16:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
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Hi Ralf,

I can only confirm that 3.10.9-rt5 gives plenty xruns and frequent Ardour
crashes on my Arch install (x86_64, Asus UL30JT with i5 processor). I
didn't get the other problems you mention though, but that's probably
because I have a very light install which I only use for audio. Following a
comment by the package maintainer on AUR, I downgraded yesterday to
3.8.11-rt8. The xruns disappeared and Ardour is usable again. It did freeze
a couple of times for 2-3 secs, but no xruns and it recovered fine after
that.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'll check 3.8.13-rt14 to see if it
still works for audio, and maybe solves the freeze problem too.

Cheers,
Victor


On 26 August 2013 11:00, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> Hi :)
>
> on my machine 3.10.6-rt3 and 3.10.9-rt5 x86_64 don't work properly.
> Linux 3.10.9 doesn't cause issues. The last kernel-rt I used before the
> 3.10-rt kernels was 3.8.13-rt14, not used for audio production, but for
> daily desktop usage without issues.
>
> When running 3.10.9-rt5 even a terminal can't be opened anymore.
> Xfce-terminal and xterm open without a prompt, Ctrl+Alt+F-keys don't
> work. A shutdown does start delayed and then takes an hour without
> completely finishing.
>
> Does a 3.10-rt kernel work for someone on x86_64 architecture without
> issues? The mobo is an ASUS M2A-VM HDMI with an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1
> GHz, BE-2350 and 4 GiB RAM.
>
> Only tested with Arch Linux, perhaps I should test linux-3.10-rt on
> Ubuntu Studio too, not done until now, because building takes around two
> hours.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Aug 26 13:16:46 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:16:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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On 08/20/2013 01:52 PM, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> this is just another rt-kernel thread about RT performance.
> 
> I tried latest 3.10.6 with some issues so I decided to use a long term
> release and I am now compiling 3.2.50.
> 
> So. Which kernel release are you running?
> 
> /r

3.2.48-rt69 but I'll compile 3.2.50 one of these days. Works good enough
for me.

Jeremy


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From diego.simak at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 13:19:18 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:19:18 -0300
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
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2013/8/26 Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>

> On 08/20/2013 01:52 PM, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is just another rt-kernel thread about RT performance.
> >
> > I tried latest 3.10.6 with some issues so I decided to use a long term
> > release and I am now compiling 3.2.50.
> >
> > So. Which kernel release are you running?
> >
> > /r
>
> 3.2.48-rt69 but I'll compile 3.2.50 one of these days. Works good enough
> for me.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>

3.2.50-rt70 works very good
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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 26 13:28:19 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:28:19 -0400
Subject: [LAU] a tango
In-Reply-To: <521AAF61.1040506@quirq.net>
References: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com> <521AAF61.1040506@quirq.net>
Message-ID: <521B57F3.1050700@woh.rr.com>

On 08/25/2013 09:29 PM, Q wrote:
> On 26/08/13 01:49, Dave Phillips wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> An ominous but not an anonymous tango :
>> ...
>>
>>
> It's 2.25 am here and the music seems to perfectly fit the time -- dark
> and ominous and scotch-fuelled (cheap crap, rather than any of the
> dozens of decent single malts at hand -- not that that's a reflection on
> the quality of the music, but it somehow seems fitting to mention).

It's the perfect setting.


>
> Would be perfect in a Lynch movie. Great stuff.
>
> Q
>

Thank you ! I'm a great fan of David Lynch, and I love Angelo 
Badalamenti's scores.

Maybe I should start staying up late and drinking cheap Scotch. I think 
it would complement the soundfonts nicely. :)

Best,

dp


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 26 13:31:52 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:31:52 -0400
Subject: [LAU] a tango
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308260928360.25867@flower.world.net>
References: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <521B58C8.7060000@woh.rr.com>

On 08/26/2013 03:30 AM, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello Dave!
>   Yes, I can see, what Q meant, when he said, that your tango would be 
> fitting in a Lynch movie. I had no idea, what you could mean by 
> "ominous", but now I know and it's very good. The sounds are rather 
> cheap, but that's not the music's fault. :-)
>   Thank you!
>   Warm regards
>          Julien

Thanks for lending your ears, Julien. And no, the fonts are not "rather" 
cheap, they're extremely cheap, from the 8mbgmsfx set. At least the Calf 
reverb sounds nice on them. :)

Best always,

dp


From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 13:48:14 2013
From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:48:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] kernel release: which one?
In-Reply-To: <CAKC-MPrhN_LJH_JhZwf9Y1CjsC2w=xq7+vtOMCLAND2cT0Mnaw@mail.gmail.com>
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> 3.2.50-rt70 works very good
>

+1
moreover, it's a long term release kernel
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From tim at quitte.de  Mon Aug 26 13:51:55 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:51:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] a tango
In-Reply-To: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>
References: <521AA633.6010400@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308261547550.16530@spring>

[Dave Phillips]
>    http://linux-sound.org/audio/Tango.ogg

I like the groove and the way the music builds its arcs, and the
spontaneous, liberated impression.

Thanks,
Tim

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 26 13:55:58 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:55:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <CAGr68VuyKPzhFCqhFD0dfvEGb5KVpfHWpypybUAMZ6vKBgje=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
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Message-ID: <op.w2ffnk2cqhadp0@suse11-2>

Thank you Victor. Perhaps I'll build a 3.10-rt for Ubuntu Studio later,  
using my own config, to see if it does behave different, than it does for  
Arch Linux. I guess the default config by the AUR package is like my own  
configs usually are. I planned to use different configs with Arch, one  
e.g. without HR timer enabled, but since I experience those other issues,  
I won't do it for Arch and the 3.10-rt patches that are released until  
now. Regards, Ralf

From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 14:40:31 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:40:31 -0700
Subject: [LAU] talenthack/mod-host/lilv problem
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308260915500.25867@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308251011130.13101@flower.world.net>
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Message-ID: <CAE8SejHgpVR4+k9r5LpBkMNwCeABoXTPsH9fwOEmVGb+kig3hw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Julien,
I don't know the answer to your problem, but I did notice this on the
talentedhack site,
"Make sure you have the header files of fftw3 installed,"
For what ever that's worth, I'll be looking for those on my system, or
to install them. :-)

Rusty

On 8/26/13, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
> Hello Hermann!
>    This is really strange. Why then don't I even get an error about not
> finding
> the correct fftw library, when building or doing ldd ?
>    Any ideas anyone?
>    Warm regards
>          julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

From jbh at alchemy.lu  Mon Aug 26 15:02:39 2013
From: jbh at alchemy.lu (Joakim Hernberg)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:02:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <20130826170239.74fc068c@freja>

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:00:50 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> Does a 3.10-rt kernel work for someone on x86_64 architecture without
> issues? The mobo is an ASUS M2A-VM HDMI with an AMD Athlon dual-core
> 2.1 GHz, BE-2350 and 4 GiB RAM.

I've booted 3.10-rt on several systems without seeing any issues, but
I'm on vacation and haven't really put them through their paces.  I
haven't noticed anything major like what you mention though...

Seeing that you use that <censured> yaourt to build the kernel package
and even run out of space on your tmpf, maybe something has gone wrong.
Much better would be to install the devtools package and build it in a
chroot, with "sudo extra-x86_64-build".

You could also try the following binary packages that I just uploaded
to see if that makes a difference:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/879835/linux-rt-3.10.9_rt5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/879835/linux-rt-headers-3.10.9_rt5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz

Finally -rt is an experimental patch and folklore is that it stabilizes
somewhere around -rt10 or so :)  Maybe it would be better to report
you bugs upstream on the linux-rt-users mailing list and see if they
can help you with specific problems/issues.

   Joakim

From tim at quitte.de  Mon Aug 26 16:18:11 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:18:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] 0.9.15, Re:  [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308251926070.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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[Tim Goetze]
>[mark hadman]
>>I'm using Lorenz as a modulation source, but it appears that amplitude
>>decreases greatly as I slow down the rate. Is there a high pass / DC
>>blocking filter somewhere in there?
>
>Yes, there is.  
>
>This effect of the hp filter will be greatly reduced when I get to
>implement the same fix that the Roessler fractal has already seen,
>subtraction of a DC constant on each of the three axes.

Done, and the highpass can now be tuned or turned off entirely.

http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Fractal
http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Download

Tim

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Mon Aug 26 16:26:20 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:26:20 +0100
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <op.w2ffnk2cqhadp0@suse11-2>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
 <CAGr68VuyKPzhFCqhFD0dfvEGb5KVpfHWpypybUAMZ6vKBgje=A@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.w2ffnk2cqhadp0@suse11-2>
Message-ID: <20130826172620.4643d91b@debian>

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:55:58 +0200
"Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> Thank you Victor. Perhaps I'll build a 3.10-rt for Ubuntu Studio later,  
> using my own config, to see if it does behave different, than it does for  
> Arch Linux. I guess the default config by the AUR package is like my own  
> configs usually are. I planned to use different configs with Arch, one  
> e.g. without HR timer enabled, but since I experience those other issues,  
> I won't do it for Arch and the 3.10-rt patches that are released until  
> now. Regards, Ralf

No good for me either. In fact the last 'good' kernel for me was 3.1 vanilla!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 16:51:08 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:51:08 -0700
Subject: [LAU] explanation of parameters of ladspa stereo reverb 1950 please?
Message-ID: <CAE8SejEHSuzfDre2=9h-KwKFaNxPzpKqkq1SJ1ewLJvDejg_cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,
I understand most of the parameters of the reverb, but, what is the
"input bw" I know the values are 0-1 but I don't know what it is. BW
could mean bandwidth? Anyway, some explanation would be appreciated!
Also, the damping setting. I know what this sounds like it means, but
any explanations would also be appreciated.

Thanks so much!!!
Rusty

From ydjeho at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 17:54:05 2013
From: ydjeho at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dj=E9ho_Youn?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:54:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux live set recording
Message-ID: <CACV-ZUeei3dq5Htq_Lc9KQLjmYAwBKTe1Peifntyr=PK7ojwsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I want to share a 45min. recording of my gig last friday.
of course, it's 100% Linux, 100% Supercollider.
I was using some HID device and MIDI controllers, and GUI to play.

http://soundcloud.com/jae-ho-youn/live-set-in-club

'hope you enjoy...cheers!!

jae ho

-- 
Jae Ho YOUN

http://jaehoyoun.com
http://advancedsituation.com/
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Aug 26 18:28:31 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (jeremy at autostatic.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:28:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <39c457be5b3af08491f453291bac3ec5@autostatic.com>

On 2013-08-26 11:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Only tested with Arch Linux, perhaps I should test linux-3.10-rt on
> Ubuntu Studio too, not done until now, because building takes around 
> two
> hours.

What kind of PC is this on? Building a 3.2 kernel from a fully-blown 
kernel config takes 23:26.67 (/usr/bin/time -f "%E" fakeroot make-kpkg 
--initrd --revision 0 kernel_image kernel_headers) on my 4 year old 
desktop PC. Are you using CONCURRENCY_LEVEL or -j with make?

Regards,

Jeremy

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 26 19:09:51 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:09:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <39c457be5b3af08491f453291bac3ec5@autostatic.com>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
 <39c457be5b3af08491f453291bac3ec5@autostatic.com>
Message-ID: <1377544191.706.33.camel@archlinux>

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 17:26 +0100, Will Godfrey wrote:
> No good for me either. In fact the last 'good' kernel for me was 3.1
> vanilla!

I use vanilla kernels with rt patch and consider to downgrade to a
version around 3.1 or 3.2.

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:28 +0200, jeremy at autostatic.com wrote:
> What kind of PC is this on? Building a 3.2 kernel from a fully-blown 
> kernel config takes 23:26.67 (/usr/bin/time -f "%E" fakeroot make-kpkg 
> --initrd --revision 0 kernel_image kernel_headers) on my 4 year old 
> desktop PC. Are you using CONCURRENCY_LEVEL or -j with make?

On Arch I build with "MAKEFLAGS="-j2"" and on Debian based distros using
"export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2" on an ASUS M2A-VM HDMI with an AMD Athlon
dual-core 2.1 GHz, BE-2350 and 4 GiB RAM.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug 26 19:18:19 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:18:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <20130826170239.74fc068c@freja>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux> <20130826170239.74fc068c@freja>
Message-ID: <1377544699.706.41.camel@archlinux>

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 17:02 +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
> Finally -rt is an experimental patch and folklore is that it stabilizes
> somewhere around -rt10 or so :)

In around 10 years of building linux-rt on my own I didn't experience
often an issue and never such a serious issue. To ensure that neither
yaourt nor any Arch specific thingy breaks something, I'll build a
kernel for Ubuntu Studio. I'll use the packages you build too and I
subscribed to the linux-rt users mailing list.

I seem to get a cold, I'm unconcentrated and can't stay very long on the
computer, so it might take a while before I report back.

Thank you,
Ralf


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Aug 26 20:28:37 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:28:37 +0000
Subject: [LAU] explanation of parameters of ladspa stereo reverb 1950
 please?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejEHSuzfDre2=9h-KwKFaNxPzpKqkq1SJ1ewLJvDejg_cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejEHSuzfDre2=9h-KwKFaNxPzpKqkq1SJ1ewLJvDejg_cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130826202836.GA19233@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 09:51:08AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:

> I understand most of the parameters of the reverb, but, what is the
> "input bw" I know the values are 0-1 but I don't know what it is. BW
> could mean bandwidth? Anyway, some explanation would be appreciated!
> Also, the damping setting. I know what this sounds like it means, but
> any explanations would also be appreciated.

Both parameters directly control a first order lowpass filter,
the range being roughly from sample_frequency/63 (0) going up
to no filtering at all (1).

For 'Input BW' the filter acts on the input signal.
For 'Damping' the filter acts on the feedback path of the reverb,
i.e. it makes the reverb time shorter for high frequencies.

So both controls are very 'low level' and their numerical
values have no simple intuitive meaning for the average user.
Keep in mind that #1950 was written in 2004, and is now well
past its expected lifetime...

If you want a reverb based on the same algorithm but providing
much better quality AND controls calibrated in real-life units,
have a look at zita-rev1 (which is a Jack app, not a plugin).

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Aug 26 21:07:37 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:07:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] 0.9.15, Re:  [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308261755590.16530@spring>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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Hello Tim!
   Thanks again for your fixes. Although I've never used the fractal plugins, I 
downloaded it. It's always good to be up to date. So many very helpful and 
just usable plugins in that suite! Tghanks for your continued work and 
improvements!
   Warm regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From tim at quitte.de  Tue Aug 27 11:43:37 2013
From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:43:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] 0.9.15, Re:  [LAD] [ANN] CAPS 0.9.12
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308262306340.25867@flower.world.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308232242131.16530@spring>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1308271217591.16530@spring>

Ave Iulius,

Thanks!  I'm very happy to know that with your keen ears you find many
of these plugins useful.  I have more ideas for new features and
plugins but currently polishing things is my prime objective.

Tim

[Julien Claassen]
>  Thanks again for your fixes. Although I've never used the fractal plugins, I
> downloaded it. It's always good to be up to date. So many very helpful and just
> usable plugins in that suite! Tghanks for your continued work and improvements!

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Aug 27 18:31:08 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:31:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <1377544699.706.41.camel@archlinux>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
 <20130826170239.74fc068c@freja> <1377544699.706.41.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1377628268.711.29.camel@archlinux>

Update:
I build current linux-rt for Ubuntu Studio Quantal and when I log in I
get a black screen. No time to check what's going wrong right now, I
already dropped writing a script that is important for me and try to
figure out with help from Martti, who has skills I don't have, what
makes gvfs kill external green drives, while neither he, nor I use gvfs.
It's not possible to contribute on all fronts, however, seemingly
there's an issue with 3.10-rt kernels on some machines, fortunately we
can downgrade.


From josevanrooy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 04:36:49 2013
From: josevanrooy at gmail.com (Jose van Rooy)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:36:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable usb-recordig
	interface.
Message-ID: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>

??
Linux-friends,i hope you can help me soon with the find of my desperate
long-time wish.
I include here my letter in a HTML-code, because at first i mailed this
letter to the wrong adress, so to get rid of all the headers on the Gmail,
i found an app (BasKet Note Pads, Ubuntu)that can do that, but till now i?
not able to get the entire visible text at-ones pasted into the writable
Gmailbox-space, then till now i ownly know this HTML-method with the BasKet
Note Pad.   Wish you luck in searching your own free spaces in life and the
support to other good-harted people in this rude world. And thank you..


           Jose.*
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From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Wed Aug 28 05:56:56 2013
From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:56:56 -0700
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <521D9128.2060809@localhost>

On 08/26/2013 02:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi :)
>
> on my machine 3.10.6-rt3 and 3.10.9-rt5 x86_64 don't work properly.
> Linux 3.10.9 doesn't cause issues. The last kernel-rt I used before the
> 3.10-rt kernels was 3.8.13-rt14, not used for audio production, but for
> daily desktop usage without issues.

Hi Ralf,
I'm trying out 3.10.9-rt5 and it does not seem different so far from 
3.8.13-rt14, which for me had been the best performer I had seen so far. 
This is on Fedora 17 and 19 and on different computers (desktop, 
laptop), with everything optimized for audio.

-- Fernando


> When running 3.10.9-rt5 even a terminal can't be opened anymore.
> Xfce-terminal and xterm open without a prompt, Ctrl+Alt+F-keys don't
> work. A shutdown does start delayed and then takes an hour without
> completely finishing.
>
> Does a 3.10-rt kernel work for someone on x86_64 architecture without
> issues? The mobo is an ASUS M2A-VM HDMI with an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1
> GHz, BE-2350 and 4 GiB RAM.
>
> Only tested with Arch Linux, perhaps I should test linux-3.10-rt on
> Ubuntu Studio too, not done until now, because building takes around two
> hours.

From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 06:12:38 2013
From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:12:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <521D9128.2060809@localhost>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux>
	<521D9128.2060809@localhost>
Message-ID: <CAD4guxM5sZkr_tDQsQuV0CMVvrBnastfuEXqyes=N8_Awa8=TQ@mail.gmail.com>

2013/8/28 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando at ccrma.stanford.edu>

> On 08/26/2013 02:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>>
>> on my machine 3.10.6-rt3 and 3.10.9-rt5 x86_64 don't work properly.
>> Linux 3.10.9 doesn't cause issues. The last kernel-rt I used before the
>> 3.10-rt kernels was 3.8.13-rt14, not used for audio production, but for
>> daily desktop usage without issues.
>>
>
> Hi Ralf,
> I'm trying out 3.10.9-rt5 and it does not seem different so far from
> 3.8.13-rt14, which for me had been the best performer I had seen so far.
> This is on Fedora 17 and 19 and on different computers (desktop, laptop),
> with everything optimized for audio.
>
> -- Fernando
>

Did you enable dynticks? 32 or 64?
I've been experiencing many freezes with 3.10.x

/r
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From brummer- at web.de  Wed Aug 28 08:11:02 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:11:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] MOD web-ui
Message-ID: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>

HI

Is anyone here successful running the mod-host web-ui?
I'm trying the last two day's to get it work, but can't get it.
I could run the mod-host in interactive mode, to get sound out of it, 
but I fail to do any remote control with the web-ui.
I could run the web-ui, browse plugins, load them, save paddle boards,  
but I still remain in a "Device is offline" state, I can't get a input 
to connect to, well, a output is there on screen, but no input.

Is there a tutorial anywhere?  Did I need to set the socket somehow ?
I would love to get it work, as the Web Interface looks really, really, 
nice.

hermann

From linux-audio-user-owner at lists.linuxaudio.org  Wed Aug 28 08:19:00 2013
From: linux-audio-user-owner at lists.linuxaudio.org (LAU admin)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:19:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Well, that's wat i see, always the same story: i symply
 want to pose a question with a possible answer from your part;
 i thougt that linux opensource would not reject -like the common internet
 business- my letter that costed me almost a day to wright. The only
 information i get after my letter rejected is to direct me to this mail
 adress (linux-audio-user-owner) instead of giving me the mail-adress in
 wich my letter is NOT rejected, i really don't understand it...........
In-Reply-To: <CAKhxBOG-QySGLjTynrMCX1FTE+i48mdQAG30ezN5Trm40MXTFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKhxBOG-QySGLjTynrMCX1FTE+i48mdQAG30ezN5Trm40MXTFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <280f3aeebfcd0ec546978a175ae8344a@mail.marcochapeau.org>

Hi Jose,

First things first: please avoid writing your whole mail in the subject 
line. If you want to be able to post on the mailing list you have to be 
subscribed to the mailing list. You can subscribe from this page: 
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user.

I'm CCing the linux-audio-user mailing list since I'm guessing this is not 
the only help you might need, and I'm not sure I can find the time for this 
at the moment.

Cheers,
Marc.


On 2013-08-27 22:48, Jose van Rooy wrote:
>

-- 
Marc-Olivier Barre
XMPP ID : marco at marcochapeau.org
www.MarcOChapeau.org

From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Wed Aug 28 08:54:05 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:54:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable usb-recordig
 interface.
In-Reply-To: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <521DBAAD.3040505@gmx.net>

On 28.08.2013 06:36, Jose van Rooy wrote:
>
> Linux-friends,i hope you can help me soon with the find of my 
> desperate long-time wish.
> I include here my letter in a HTML-code, because at first i mailed 
> this letter to the wrong adress, so to get rid of all the headers on 
> the Gmail, i found an app (BasKet Note Pads, Ubuntu)that can do that, 
> but till now im' not able to get the entire visible text at-ones 
> pasted into the writable Gmailbox-space, then till now i ownly know 
> this HTML-method with the BasKet Note Pad.   Wish you luck in 
> searching your own free spaces in life and the support to other 
> good-harted people in this rude world. And thank you..
>

Hi,

this is the text of the mail inline. I added some formatting to ease 
reading. It is still not easy to actually find out what his question is, 
because it is embedded somewhere in this massive wall of text. My best 
bet  is the first line of paragraph eight, plus a little more 
afterwards. The following is not my text but Jose's:

Quote:

"Hallo

  i'm Jose from Holland and here is the confirmation of my membership. 
The only reason for me to become a member is trying desperate to get a 
real and straight answer about my strugglings on having my 30 years old 
African tape-collection finally digitalised without hearable 
quality-loss, because its very frustrating you can read al kinds of 
misleading nonsense on the internet, but it's always impossible to get a 
quick straight answer to your specific questions because nobody knows 
nothing and there never shows up a telephone-number where you can ask 
something to someone with robust nowledge. And when you talk about 
Ubuntu it's like you're from another planet, that's because they are 
stucked in their own interested selling-conspirations, because -for 
example the local shops-  only want to see money and they are full of 
that common cheap Windows bust-talk, swelling up theirselves and 
glorificating the whole day this Social Disgrace and consealed criminal 
organization called Microsoft, and when asking about Ubuntu they 
'suposingly' don't know nothing about it,  these poor corrupted souls....

You can say i'm a music-freak but not someone who gathers by quantity 
and 'name' even if it's awful sounding commercial music. I personally 
have to like a song, otherwise i throw it without hesitating to the 
trash-heap, and the music i like is for me to keep it like a pearl, 
that's why i bought eight years ago the last Tascam 322 double tape-deck 
that still was available on the market at that time, to secure and 
perpetrate my unpriceable music-collection. A year ago i discovered the 
digital world and it intrigues me, and now i know the endless advantages 
of digitalising music from an analogue source. In the mean time i bought 
four units of my favorite tablet -the Asus Transformer Prime tf201- in 
slightly different versions. And i am also in love with my favorite 
mp3-player the Sansa Fuze 4GB from Sandisc and have like ten of them, 
because i fear they won't fabricate them anymore, and i doubt wether 
there  will ever be ensembled a better mp3-player as the Fuze: as 
society 'cheapened' day by day on this day's -in the Last Days-, and 
companies forcing increasingly worse quality consumer-electronics into 
the market, wich moreover are more and more heavily DRM-ized. Then like 
eight months ago i bought my first laptop: an Asus B43S,  14inch, 
Windows 7 Prof. XP, (x86  64bit), processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) 
i5-2520M  CPU at 2.50 GHZ, and someone putted Ubuntu too on my laptop and 
now with the latest version: Ubuntu 13.04 , linux 
3.8.0-29-generic(x86_64), Default C Compiler: GNU C compiler version 4.7.3.

Using Ubuntu i must say i got hooked on the Audacity-app in the coarse 
of time. So, after getting familiar with Audacity in the end i 
discovered the method of converting my tapes with this music-app, but my 
gladness was short in time because i noticed at a certain moment that my 
recordings with Audacity were all in mono and not in stereo. I verified 
the cable but wasn't the problem, then i focused on my laptop and found 
out that my Asus is equiped only with a misserable little 3,5 mm mono 
mic line-in jack. Then i searched on internet wich confirmed my previous 
thoughts: meaning that Gates-Microsoft, bribes the laptop-manufacturers 
to not ensemble stereo-plugins into the laptops. Further on i discovered 
the existance of de usb-recording interface or usb-soundcart with a 
stereo mic line-in connection or another name for it: an A/D-converter 
(analogue to digital).

And here is the point of my question: a few days ago i bought the 'Forte 
Focusrite' because the seller told me it was the best A/D-converter in 
it's class. I bought it too because he assured me i would not be stucked 
to some kind of website to depend on it, after insistingly asking him 
about this point.  A time before, i bought 4 ion-tapeconverters thinking 
by myself wat an easy solution it was to get my tapes digitalised. But 
short after installing the tapeconverter-program i saw the cheeky 
  misleading of this ion-tapeconverter, and noticed what kind of an 
ingenious elaborated filthy trap it was from Apple (i-tunes): a set-up 
in combination -of coarse- with the vulgar entertainment-industry: it is 
insulting  because you don't even own your converted-to-mp3-tape-music, 
given that your tapes are converted into mp3-files together with some 
DRM-code; so you can't play your converted tape-songs on a random 
mp3-player,  and the only manner to listen your own songs on the street 
would be by purchasing an apple ipod, that evidently is designed to 
neutralize the DRM-code, so with an ipod only you are able to listen to 
your converted tape-music if you wish to take your music outside on the 
street. And too, {in the mean time} you have to 'swallow' all the filthy 
commercials of this criminal entertainment-maffia during your steps and 
moves and handlings while being on the 'itunes-site' navigating and so on.

When i became aware of the  sofisticated-hidden engineered -and huge 
controlled design of this site with it's malicious premeditated 
camouflaged manipulation, i didn't doubt a second to delete immediately 
this awful disgusting nightmare-environment. But that is easyer said 
then done and needs some focused search-efforts, because like a 
tenacious trojanhorse-virus it is very hard to erradicate: to say that 
all the remote corners of your operating-system resulted in being 
infected by all kinds of Apple-files; you wouldn't expect it ( talking 
about this filthy-sneaky invisible Apple settler-infiltration on de 
hard-disk of your computer) but it's true: after the itunes 
online-download is completed and some further on in time, you'll have 
automatically and invisibly -in reality- a whole new OS 
(operating-system) on your computer installed, namely Apple-OS !

Yeah.., in my whole remaining live, i will never ever want to hear or 
see, nor to cope with anything that has to do with Apple, i hate this 
fake-built hot-headed, maked-up and camouflaged money-machine sect, and 
Microsoft belongs to about the same strain: so-called proud of the 
worthless trash they release each time -along with their vain 
presumption and their forced rigid fake theatrical plastic smiles, wich 
with invisible super-glue is stucked to -and hosted on their artifcially 
polished-up audace built-in cheeks, as secretive cheeky cunning shrewd 
cheaters as they are. The word Garbage sounds much too euphemistic 
reminding these double-tongued subjects. So when the seller of the Forte 
Focusrite said that i would not be stucked -and depend on a site of the 
A/D-converter brand-, i didn't doubt to purchase the converter, but some 
time later connecting the gadget at home, i saw immediately that he 
didn't told me the truth.

So now i have this gadget at home, and now i see it is designed for 
compatibility with the Apple/Microsoft operating systems: i will not 
even try to get it work on Ubuntu-Audacity because i know this 
sound-card is heavily conditioned, restricted, DRM-ized...  It's 
something like the previous told story about the ion-tape converter. And 
even with Windows i know it will stagger and hamper, and i'm sick of al 
the interested greed and misleadings, caused by invisable and 
pre-meditated engineerd sabotages, DRM's, staggerings and skipping 
failures, because the whole internet today is for 99.999% one big DRM, 
full of controls and behind-the-curtain-manipulations, so i won't try to 
make this soundcard work on windows too. And this is my desperate 
question: can somebody from linuxaudio.org indicate me what 
usb-soundcard i'll exactly need for my purpose?, the  brand and the 
exact serie-number/name of the soundcard; and if not easy available, 
where to get it? My only purpose is a normal high-quality A/D 
  conversion with no necessity to have more than one stereo-input. I 
mean i don't need extreme studio-quality sound but i don't want hearable 
quality-loss either,  so i will store the converted music always with 
lossles flac and 320 Kbp/s CBR mp3. And i'll only work with my favourite 
app Audacity/Ubuntu on my Asus B43S-laptop (X86  64bit).

So i want a simple, robust and quallity usb recording sound-card that 
you always can rely on so the quality-build can generate a confidential 
trust in time knowing that it works always and flawless after the same 
connecting-handlings each time (like the gadget becomes a trusted part 
of you after a while) and not having to depend on stress-full and 
disturbing handlings like drivers, updates and other demoralising kind 
of nail-biting uneasy botched jobs. If what i ask is not fabricated 
anymore, than i will look for a second hand sound-card from the 
indicated soundcard in question; because i don't care if it's old or 
works slow, the important thing to me is that the soundcard works, and 
that it does his job stable and well, converting analogue music into 
high quality digitalised music.

And about the purchase-costs: if it can be for 600 dollar is oke, but if 
you say the 1000 dollar-one is really worthwhile -'you have to have it' 
!-  than there is for me no doubt, then i'm forced to kook some more 
basic and ingenious dishes for a while, and buy less luxurious food, but 
still: without pesticides, it can be and must be, because i hate 
chemicals. It all will not be a problem to me for having a quallity 
A/D-converter. So., again.. asking you my question was the reason to 
become a member, otherwise perhaps i wouldn't had been able to pose my 
question with a possible corresponding answer from your part, because i 
don't know if you need the membership to pose questions. I thank you for 
hearing me. I don't know from wich angle i can expect an answer to my 
question about the usb-soundcard, and maybe it is nessecary to reach the 
members of the consortium list with my question, therefor after sending 
this email i'll put this mail in the 'send forward-mode' and will use 
the header of consortium at list.linuxaudio.org, so this email will reach 
the list-members, who (probably debating inbetween them -i don't know 
the proceedings by linuxaudio.org-) may come to a conclusive answer to 
my question.

  If it is possible i would like to have an answer in 5 days because 
that is the time left inwich i  can return this Forte Focusrite to the 
store, and use the amount for buying other items instead, because they 
won't give the money back; then i practically 'loss' the money, unless i 
know the brand-name and serie-name/number of my following soundcard, so 
they can order it,  and all would turn out positive for me (if they can 
obtain the card from their providers);  otherwise i would need the full 
amount for a new soundcard buying it elswhere, and borrowing something 
from my sisters. I thank you.., and i will wait for your respons.

Jose.*"

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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 09:16:46 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:16:46 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable usb-recordig
	interface.
In-Reply-To: <521DBAAD.3040505@gmx.net>
References: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>
 <521DBAAD.3040505@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbP6qrqf47Q4dfUQfX6uLCNZXsPvEBS3TYLoEvHtx92+Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jose,

I've snipped away lots of your email, trying to focus on the important
parts.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Jose van Rooy wrote:

> So i want a simple, robust and quallity usb recording sound-card


Cool. This if for digitizing tapes right..?
Please watch the following video, its very informative on the quality of
digital audio / tapes:
http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml

that the soundcard works, and that it does his job stable and well,
> converting analogue music into high quality digitalised music.
>

I've used a Esi MAYA 44 USB: they're about 100 euro to buy, and worked
well. If the Focusrite works, just keep it and use it.

Hope that helps, -Harry
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From vicsto at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 09:31:51 2013
From: vicsto at gmail.com (Victor A. Stoichita)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:31:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <20130826170239.74fc068c@freja>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux> <20130826170239.74fc068c@freja>
Message-ID: <CAGr68VuUZEfJi73YNhTY_VXvwwzqd5FeaPjF71GOgTHH=1fqRQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 26 August 2013 17:02, Joakim Hernberg <jbh at alchemy.lu> wrote:
...

> Seeing that you use that <censured> yaourt to build the kernel package
> and even run out of space on your tmpf, maybe something has gone wrong.
> Much better would be to install the devtools package and build it in a
> chroot, with "sudo extra-x86_64-build".
>
> You could also try the following binary packages that I just uploaded
> to see if that makes a difference:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/879835/linux-rt-3.10.9_rt5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/879835/linux-rt-headers-3.10.9_rt5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
>

Thanks for the links! I hope you enjoy your vacation nevertheless ;-)
I don't use yaourt to build linux-rt. But I tried the binaries: the same
problems occured. I had a bunch of xruns as soon as I started playback, on
a session which runs smoothly with other kernels. I could restart Ardour
and reproduce it so it's not just an occasional mishap.
I also tested with the option for i915 do_wbinvd=no which helps other
people (see https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-rt/). But no
improvement for me.


>
> Finally -rt is an experimental patch and folklore is that it stabilizes
> somewhere around -rt10 or so :)

I love computer folklore :-) !


> Maybe it would be better to report
> you bugs upstream on the linux-rt-users mailing list and see if they
> can help you with specific problems/issues.
>
Indeed, I should do that. Thanks for pointing to that list.

Cheers,
Victor
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Wed Aug 28 11:48:08 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:48:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Well, that's wat i see [snip]
In-Reply-To: <280f3aeebfcd0ec546978a175ae8344a@mail.marcochapeau.org>
References: <CAKhxBOG-QySGLjTynrMCX1FTE+i48mdQAG30ezN5Trm40MXTFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <280f3aeebfcd0ec546978a175ae8344a@mail.marcochapeau.org>
Message-ID: <1377690488.705.14.camel@archlinux>

Jose you can CC me, I'm short in time too, but I guess I could help a
little bit.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Wed Aug 28 13:07:27 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:07:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <CAD4guxM5sZkr_tDQsQuV0CMVvrBnastfuEXqyes=N8_Awa8=TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux> <521D9128.2060809@localhost>
 <CAD4guxM5sZkr_tDQsQuV0CMVvrBnastfuEXqyes=N8_Awa8=TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1377695247.705.47.camel@archlinux>

Hi Fernando, Victor and Raffaele,

On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 08:12 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> Did you enable dynticks? 32 or 64? 
> I've been experiencing many freezes with 3.10.x

The kernel build for Arch was build using it's default AUR config, the
kernel build for Ubuntu Quantal is build using a different config, but
not regarding to dynticks, NO_HZ is enabled. It's on 64 bit
architecture.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep _HZ /mnt/q/boot/config-3.10.9-rt5
CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
# CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
# CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
# CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
CONFIG_HZ=1000
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep _HZ linux-rt/config.x86_64
CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
# CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
# CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
# CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
CONFIG_HZ=1000
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ diff /mnt/q/boot/config-3.10.9-rt5 linux-rt/config.x86_64 | grep CONFIG_MK8
< CONFIG_MK8=y
> # CONFIG_MK8 is not set

I subscribed to linux-rt-users at vger.kernel.org on Monday, but I've got
no time to check log files etc., perhaps next month.

FWIW for the non-rt-kernel NO_HZ is enabled too.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ uname -rm
3.10.9-1-ARCH x86_64
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ zgrep _HZ /proc/config.gz
CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
# CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
# CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
CONFIG_RCU_FAST_NO_HZ=y
# CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
CONFIG_HZ_300=y
# CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set
CONFIG_HZ=300

Regards,
Ralf


From brunogola at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 14:30:16 2013
From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:30:16 -0300
Subject: [LAU] MOD web-ui
In-Reply-To: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>
References: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>
Message-ID: <CA+45zYULmbBS+hovx5uUkv8UQgbkBbexV5wNXshARnb-p6Rbnw@mail.gmail.com>

hi hermann,

it's still in really alpha stage to run mod-ui on your desktop, but
let me see if I can help you.

i just cloned the source code from github and followed the README

then I started

$ mod-host -v  # (-v to have some feedback on what's going on)

went back to the mod-ui dir  (just cloned and configured following the
README) and did:

$ . modui-env/bin/activate
$ export MOD_DEV_ENVIRONMENT=0 MOD_CONTROLLER_INSTALLED=0
MOD_DEVICE_WEBSERVER_PORT=8888 MOD_PLUGIN_LIBRARY_DIR=~/.lv2/
MOD_HTML_DIR=html/
$ ./server.py

 pointed my chromium webbrowser  to http://localhost:8888/ and voila :)

this should work fine. oh, if you did install any plugins from the
cloud server (using the search box and clicking on the 'all' radio
button), please delete your dados/ directory (inside the mod-ui/
directory) before trying again.

i'm sorry it's not that clear or easy, but we were not expecting any
desktop users by now and are in a rush to send our first MOD units :)

i hope it works for you, if not, let me now :)

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:11 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
> HI
>
> Is anyone here successful running the mod-host web-ui?
> I'm trying the last two day's to get it work, but can't get it.
> I could run the mod-host in interactive mode, to get sound out of it, but I
> fail to do any remote control with the web-ui.
> I could run the web-ui, browse plugins, load them, save paddle boards,  but
> I still remain in a "Device is offline" state, I can't get a input to
> connect to, well, a output is there on screen, but no input.
>
> Is there a tutorial anywhere?  Did I need to set the socket somehow ?
> I would love to get it work, as the Web Interface looks really, really,
> nice.
>
> hermann
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user



-- 
Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com>
http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Wed Aug 28 14:52:04 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:52:04 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Update of REV-plugins
Message-ID: <20130828145204.GA20557@linuxaudio.org>

Hello all,

REV-plugins-0.6.1 is no available at the usual place:

<http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html>

>From the README:

--------------------------------------------
Version 0.6.1 -- 28/8/2013
--------------------------------------------

* Plugin file renamed to zita-reverbs.so.
  Any older versions in /usr/lib/ladspa must be
  deleted to avoid conflicts.

* Cleanup of the 10 year old original code.

* Added

  # 3701  zita-reverb
  # 3702  zita-reverb-amb 

These are LADSPA versions of zita-rev1 in resp. stereo
and first order Ambisonic mode.


Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Wed Aug 28 16:14:39 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 18:14:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <521E1F06.2030304@localhost>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux> <521D9128.2060809@localhost>
 <CAD4guxM5sZkr_tDQsQuV0CMVvrBnastfuEXqyes=N8_Awa8=TQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <521E1F06.2030304@localhost>
Message-ID: <1377706479.705.119.camel@archlinux>

Thank you :)

[rocketmouse at archlinux linux-rt]$ diff config.x86_64 config.fernando | grep CONFIG_MK8
[rocketmouse at archlinux linux-rt]$ diff config.x86_64 config.fernando | grep _HZ
[rocketmouse at archlinux linux-rt]$

Any idea what I should take care for, when I run diff?

Perhaps I simply build a kernel using your config, when I've got time to do it.

Regards,
Ralf


From malnourite at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 17:00:20 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:00:20 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Update of REV-plugins
In-Reply-To: <20130828145204.GA20557@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130828145204.GA20557@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSazTj2UsGNMi+x-J=XHBhX5f+CTP173zqDVjNVyU1HLHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> REV-plugins-0.6.1 is no available at the usual place:
>
> <http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html>
>
> >From the README:
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Version 0.6.1 -- 28/8/2013
> --------------------------------------------
>
> * Plugin file renamed to zita-reverbs.so.
>   Any older versions in /usr/lib/ladspa must be
>   deleted to avoid conflicts.
>
> * Cleanup of the 10 year old original code.
>
> * Added
>
>   # 3701  zita-reverb
>   # 3702  zita-reverb-amb
>
> These are LADSPA versions of zita-rev1 in resp. stereo
> and first order Ambisonic mode.
>
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> FA


Excellent. Thanks Fons! The -amb version is a very welcome addition.
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From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 17:04:21 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:04:21 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Update of REV-plugins
In-Reply-To: <20130828145204.GA20557@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130828145204.GA20557@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <CAE8SejGs5mKTBQ9ps_G_02cLUeXugDBeEkBCC+h+nQynK55oMA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Fons! This is much appreciated!

Rusty

On 8/28/13, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> REV-plugins-0.6.1 is no available at the usual place:
>
> <http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html>
>
> >From the README:
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Version 0.6.1 -- 28/8/2013
> --------------------------------------------
>
> * Plugin file renamed to zita-reverbs.so.
>   Any older versions in /usr/lib/ladspa must be
>   deleted to avoid conflicts.
>
> * Cleanup of the 10 year old original code.
>
> * Added
>
>   # 3701  zita-reverb
>   # 3702  zita-reverb-amb
>
> These are LADSPA versions of zita-rev1 in resp. stereo
> and first order Ambisonic mode.
>
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> FA
>
> A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
> It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
> and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Aug 28 17:05:56 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:05:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Update of REV-plugins
In-Reply-To: <20130828145204.GA20557@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130828145204.GA20557@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308281905070.30776@flower.world.net>

Hello Fons!
   I can only chime in! Thanks for the update. I found, that there were other 
updates, which I didn't apply at the time. I'm looking forward to working with 
the 3701 plugin!
   Kind regards
         Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From brummer- at web.de  Wed Aug 28 17:18:32 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:18:32 +0200
Subject: [LAU] MOD web-ui
In-Reply-To: <CA+45zYULmbBS+hovx5uUkv8UQgbkBbexV5wNXshARnb-p6Rbnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>
 <CA+45zYULmbBS+hovx5uUkv8UQgbkBbexV5wNXshARnb-p6Rbnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <521E30E8.2020300@web.de>

Hi Bruno

Yep, that helps a lot, export the environment variables was what I 
missing, now I get effect ports in jackd, which I could connect, and get 
sound. Only, I wasn't able to set values for the controllers, not in the 
main frame, nor in the "details" frame.
It works for selectors (could set selection and it works), but didn't 
for knobs/sliders (no reaction in UI nor in sound).

Am 28.08.2013 16:30, schrieb Bruno Gola:
> hi hermann,
>
> it's still in really alpha stage to run mod-ui on your desktop, but
> let me see if I can help you.
>
> i just cloned the source code from github and followed the README
>
> then I started
>
> $ mod-host -v  # (-v to have some feedback on what's going on)
>
> went back to the mod-ui dir  (just cloned and configured following the
> README) and did:
>
> $ . modui-env/bin/activate
> $ export MOD_DEV_ENVIRONMENT=0 MOD_CONTROLLER_INSTALLED=0
> MOD_DEVICE_WEBSERVER_PORT=8888 MOD_PLUGIN_LIBRARY_DIR=~/.lv2/
> MOD_HTML_DIR=html/
> $ ./server.py
>
>   pointed my chromium webbrowser  to http://localhost:8888/ and voila :)
>
> this should work fine. oh, if you did install any plugins from the
> cloud server (using the search box and clicking on the 'all' radio
> button), please delete your dados/ directory (inside the mod-ui/
> directory) before trying again.
>
> i'm sorry it's not that clear or easy, but we were not expecting any
> desktop users by now and are in a rush to send our first MOD units :)
Hey, hey, mod-host with the mod-ui web-interface is straight forward, I 
can't believe that I'm the first who try it out??? It reminds me on 
jost, but the Interface looks sooooo cooool, man, great work. I could 
imagine a lot of fun for me to play with it around, (if I get it to 
work). However, I fully understand that your focus is on the embedded MOD.
So, I can wait.


> i hope it works for you, if not, let me now :)
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:11 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>> HI
>>
>> Is anyone here successful running the mod-host web-ui?
>> I'm trying the last two day's to get it work, but can't get it.
>> I could run the mod-host in interactive mode, to get sound out of it, but I
>> fail to do any remote control with the web-ui.
>> I could run the web-ui, browse plugins, load them, save paddle boards,  but
>> I still remain in a "Device is offline" state, I can't get a input to
>> connect to, well, a output is there on screen, but no input.
>>
>> Is there a tutorial anywhere?  Did I need to set the socket somehow ?
>> I would love to get it work, as the Web Interface looks really, really,
>> nice.
>>
>> hermann
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>


From brunogola at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 18:04:34 2013
From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:04:34 -0300
Subject: [LAU] MOD web-ui
In-Reply-To: <521E30E8.2020300@web.de>
References: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>
 <CA+45zYULmbBS+hovx5uUkv8UQgbkBbexV5wNXshARnb-p6Rbnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <521E30E8.2020300@web.de>
Message-ID: <CA+45zYUTPbJS7A8aMDdXHUyJnmUM4YG_qYQpzaKot5qn4x07zw@mail.gmail.com>

hi hermann,

which browser are you using? i've only tested on Chromium but we plan
to support firefox as well.

thanks for the comments :)

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
> Hi Bruno
>
> Yep, that helps a lot, export the environment variables was what I missing,
> now I get effect ports in jackd, which I could connect, and get sound. Only,
> I wasn't able to set values for the controllers, not in the main frame, nor
> in the "details" frame.
> It works for selectors (could set selection and it works), but didn't for
> knobs/sliders (no reaction in UI nor in sound).
>
> Am 28.08.2013 16:30, schrieb Bruno Gola:
>
>> hi hermann,
>>
>> it's still in really alpha stage to run mod-ui on your desktop, but
>> let me see if I can help you.
>>
>> i just cloned the source code from github and followed the README
>>
>> then I started
>>
>> $ mod-host -v  # (-v to have some feedback on what's going on)
>>
>> went back to the mod-ui dir  (just cloned and configured following the
>> README) and did:
>>
>> $ . modui-env/bin/activate
>> $ export MOD_DEV_ENVIRONMENT=0 MOD_CONTROLLER_INSTALLED=0
>> MOD_DEVICE_WEBSERVER_PORT=8888 MOD_PLUGIN_LIBRARY_DIR=~/.lv2/
>> MOD_HTML_DIR=html/
>> $ ./server.py
>>
>>   pointed my chromium webbrowser  to http://localhost:8888/ and voila :)
>>
>> this should work fine. oh, if you did install any plugins from the
>> cloud server (using the search box and clicking on the 'all' radio
>> button), please delete your dados/ directory (inside the mod-ui/
>> directory) before trying again.
>>
>> i'm sorry it's not that clear or easy, but we were not expecting any
>> desktop users by now and are in a rush to send our first MOD units :)
>
> Hey, hey, mod-host with the mod-ui web-interface is straight forward, I
> can't believe that I'm the first who try it out??? It reminds me on jost,
> but the Interface looks sooooo cooool, man, great work. I could imagine a
> lot of fun for me to play with it around, (if I get it to work). However, I
> fully understand that your focus is on the embedded MOD.
> So, I can wait.
>
>
>
>> i hope it works for you, if not, let me now :)
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:11 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI
>>>
>>> Is anyone here successful running the mod-host web-ui?
>>> I'm trying the last two day's to get it work, but can't get it.
>>> I could run the mod-host in interactive mode, to get sound out of it, but
>>> I
>>> fail to do any remote control with the web-ui.
>>> I could run the web-ui, browse plugins, load them, save paddle boards,
>>> but
>>> I still remain in a "Device is offline" state, I can't get a input to
>>> connect to, well, a output is there on screen, but no input.
>>>
>>> Is there a tutorial anywhere?  Did I need to set the socket somehow ?
>>> I would love to get it work, as the Web Interface looks really, really,
>>> nice.
>>>
>>> hermann
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>



-- 
Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com>
http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599

From brunogola at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 18:14:48 2013
From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:14:48 -0300
Subject: [LAU] MOD web-ui
In-Reply-To: <CA+45zYUTPbJS7A8aMDdXHUyJnmUM4YG_qYQpzaKot5qn4x07zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>
 <CA+45zYULmbBS+hovx5uUkv8UQgbkBbexV5wNXshARnb-p6Rbnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <521E30E8.2020300@web.de>
 <CA+45zYUTPbJS7A8aMDdXHUyJnmUM4YG_qYQpzaKot5qn4x07zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+45zYX3cHBLfdekpuygPicknQ_TCFMjUJNYXA+uH38qDNwghw@mail.gmail.com>

oh also, the chromium version matters ... i kinda remember there was a
bug on older browsers.

i'm using chromium 28.



On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi hermann,
>
> which browser are you using? i've only tested on Chromium but we plan
> to support firefox as well.
>
> thanks for the comments :)
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>> Hi Bruno
>>
>> Yep, that helps a lot, export the environment variables was what I missing,
>> now I get effect ports in jackd, which I could connect, and get sound. Only,
>> I wasn't able to set values for the controllers, not in the main frame, nor
>> in the "details" frame.
>> It works for selectors (could set selection and it works), but didn't for
>> knobs/sliders (no reaction in UI nor in sound).
>>
>> Am 28.08.2013 16:30, schrieb Bruno Gola:
>>
>>> hi hermann,
>>>
>>> it's still in really alpha stage to run mod-ui on your desktop, but
>>> let me see if I can help you.
>>>
>>> i just cloned the source code from github and followed the README
>>>
>>> then I started
>>>
>>> $ mod-host -v  # (-v to have some feedback on what's going on)
>>>
>>> went back to the mod-ui dir  (just cloned and configured following the
>>> README) and did:
>>>
>>> $ . modui-env/bin/activate
>>> $ export MOD_DEV_ENVIRONMENT=0 MOD_CONTROLLER_INSTALLED=0
>>> MOD_DEVICE_WEBSERVER_PORT=8888 MOD_PLUGIN_LIBRARY_DIR=~/.lv2/
>>> MOD_HTML_DIR=html/
>>> $ ./server.py
>>>
>>>   pointed my chromium webbrowser  to http://localhost:8888/ and voila :)
>>>
>>> this should work fine. oh, if you did install any plugins from the
>>> cloud server (using the search box and clicking on the 'all' radio
>>> button), please delete your dados/ directory (inside the mod-ui/
>>> directory) before trying again.
>>>
>>> i'm sorry it's not that clear or easy, but we were not expecting any
>>> desktop users by now and are in a rush to send our first MOD units :)
>>
>> Hey, hey, mod-host with the mod-ui web-interface is straight forward, I
>> can't believe that I'm the first who try it out??? It reminds me on jost,
>> but the Interface looks sooooo cooool, man, great work. I could imagine a
>> lot of fun for me to play with it around, (if I get it to work). However, I
>> fully understand that your focus is on the embedded MOD.
>> So, I can wait.
>>
>>
>>
>>> i hope it works for you, if not, let me now :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:11 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here successful running the mod-host web-ui?
>>>> I'm trying the last two day's to get it work, but can't get it.
>>>> I could run the mod-host in interactive mode, to get sound out of it, but
>>>> I
>>>> fail to do any remote control with the web-ui.
>>>> I could run the web-ui, browse plugins, load them, save paddle boards,
>>>> but
>>>> I still remain in a "Device is offline" state, I can't get a input to
>>>> connect to, well, a output is there on screen, but no input.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a tutorial anywhere?  Did I need to set the socket somehow ?
>>>> I would love to get it work, as the Web Interface looks really, really,
>>>> nice.
>>>>
>>>> hermann
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com>
> http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599



-- 
Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com>
http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Wed Aug 28 19:01:00 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:01:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <521E1F06.2030304@localhost>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux> <521D9128.2060809@localhost>
 <CAD4guxM5sZkr_tDQsQuV0CMVvrBnastfuEXqyes=N8_Awa8=TQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <521E1F06.2030304@localhost>
Message-ID: <1377716460.29168.3.camel@archlinux>

On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 09:02 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> I'm testing only on 64 bit, the configuration is as close as I can get 
> it to the normal Fedora kernels. I'm attaching the configuration file 
> I'm running in my laptop as I write this.

Thank you Fernando,

when using your config on Arch Linux 64 bit, I unfortunately get

[snip]
  INSTALL net/ipx/ipx.ko
  INSTALL net/irda/ircomm/ircomm-tty.ko
/usr/src/linux-rt/pkg/linux-rt/lib/modules/3.10.9-rt5-02-rt/kernel/net/ipx/ipx.ko~ at /usr/src/linux-rt/src/linux-3.10/scripts/sign-file line 417.
make[1]: *** [net/ipx/ipx.ko] Error 28
make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
/usr/src/linux-rt/pkg/linux-rt/lib/modules/3.10.9-rt5-02-rt/kernel/net/irda/ircomm/ircomm-tty.ko~ at /usr/src/linux-rt/src/linux-3.10/scripts/sign-file line 417.
make[1]: *** [net/irda/ircomm/ircomm-tty.ko] Error 28
make: *** [_modinst_] Error 2
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in package_linux-rt().
    Aborting...

Regards,
Ralf


From brummer- at web.de  Wed Aug 28 19:12:34 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:12:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] MOD web-ui
In-Reply-To: <CA+45zYX3cHBLfdekpuygPicknQ_TCFMjUJNYXA+uH38qDNwghw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>
 <CA+45zYULmbBS+hovx5uUkv8UQgbkBbexV5wNXshARnb-p6Rbnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <521E30E8.2020300@web.de>
 <CA+45zYUTPbJS7A8aMDdXHUyJnmUM4YG_qYQpzaKot5qn4x07zw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+45zYX3cHBLfdekpuygPicknQ_TCFMjUJNYXA+uH38qDNwghw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <521E4BA2.6050508@web.de>

Am 28.08.2013 20:14, schrieb Bruno Gola:
> oh also, the chromium version matters ... i kinda remember there was a
> bug on older browsers.
>
> i'm using chromium 28.
>

Ahhh, got it. :-D
Success

I've tried firefox all the time, couldn't imagine that it depend on 
cromium.
So, now the fun begins. :-)
I'm now using cromium Version 28.0.1500.71 Debian jessie/sid (209842) 
and it works nicely.

Just a hard corner here and there, as it is usual on alpa stage,
lilv_lib_open(): error: Failed to open library 
/home/brummer/.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.so 
(/home/brummer/.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.so: wrong ELF 
class: ELFCLASS64)
(well I'm running good old i686)

but I get the Idea behind the MOD and be impressed. Plugins from a 
cloud, to load and controlled via a web interface, running on a local 
jack instance. Just great! I will follow the development you guys made 
on this!!

greats  hermann

PS. as next I will install the mod sdk :-)

>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi hermann,
>>
>> which browser are you using? i've only tested on Chromium but we plan
>> to support firefox as well.
>>
>> thanks for the comments :)
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Bruno
>>>
>>> Yep, that helps a lot, export the environment variables was what I missing,
>>> now I get effect ports in jackd, which I could connect, and get sound. Only,
>>> I wasn't able to set values for the controllers, not in the main frame, nor
>>> in the "details" frame.
>>> It works for selectors (could set selection and it works), but didn't for
>>> knobs/sliders (no reaction in UI nor in sound).
>>>
>>> Am 28.08.2013 16:30, schrieb Bruno Gola:
>>>
>>>> hi hermann,
>>>>
>>>> it's still in really alpha stage to run mod-ui on your desktop, but
>>>> let me see if I can help you.
>>>>
>>>> i just cloned the source code from github and followed the README
>>>>
>>>> then I started
>>>>
>>>> $ mod-host -v  # (-v to have some feedback on what's going on)
>>>>
>>>> went back to the mod-ui dir  (just cloned and configured following the
>>>> README) and did:
>>>>
>>>> $ . modui-env/bin/activate
>>>> $ export MOD_DEV_ENVIRONMENT=0 MOD_CONTROLLER_INSTALLED=0
>>>> MOD_DEVICE_WEBSERVER_PORT=8888 MOD_PLUGIN_LIBRARY_DIR=~/.lv2/
>>>> MOD_HTML_DIR=html/
>>>> $ ./server.py
>>>>
>>>>    pointed my chromium webbrowser  to http://localhost:8888/ and voila :)
>>>>
>>>> this should work fine. oh, if you did install any plugins from the
>>>> cloud server (using the search box and clicking on the 'all' radio
>>>> button), please delete your dados/ directory (inside the mod-ui/
>>>> directory) before trying again.
>>>>
>>>> i'm sorry it's not that clear or easy, but we were not expecting any
>>>> desktop users by now and are in a rush to send our first MOD units :)
>>> Hey, hey, mod-host with the mod-ui web-interface is straight forward, I
>>> can't believe that I'm the first who try it out??? It reminds me on jost,
>>> but the Interface looks sooooo cooool, man, great work. I could imagine a
>>> lot of fun for me to play with it around, (if I get it to work). However, I
>>> fully understand that your focus is on the embedded MOD.
>>> So, I can wait.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> i hope it works for you, if not, let me now :)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:11 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>>>>> HI
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here successful running the mod-host web-ui?
>>>>> I'm trying the last two day's to get it work, but can't get it.
>>>>> I could run the mod-host in interactive mode, to get sound out of it, but
>>>>> I
>>>>> fail to do any remote control with the web-ui.
>>>>> I could run the web-ui, browse plugins, load them, save paddle boards,
>>>>> but
>>>>> I still remain in a "Device is offline" state, I can't get a input to
>>>>> connect to, well, a output is there on screen, but no input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a tutorial anywhere?  Did I need to set the socket somehow ?
>>>>> I would love to get it work, as the Web Interface looks really, really,
>>>>> nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> hermann
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com>
>> http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599
>
>


From ch.bungue at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 08:20:51 2013
From: ch.bungue at gmail.com (Chris Bungue)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:20:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack don't start any more
Message-ID: <CA+nYFSRSzNub9neT-j3Fr5ZPs=ckqDR=f-wXGtpW+VJ+-YPR3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a problem with jack. Jack don't start any more. Yesterday everything
was fine. I have no idea what's happens.


This is the output massage of qjackctl:

 10:06:21.046 Steckfeld deaktiviert.

10:06:21.073 Statistik zur?ckgesetzt.

10:06:21.107 ALSA-Verbindung ge?ndert.

10:06:21.117 D-BUS: Dienst ist verf?gbar (org.jackaudio.service aka
jackdbus).

Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

Cannot connect to server request channel

jack server is not running or cannot be started

10:06:21.131 Schaubild der ALSA-Verbindungen ge?ndert.

10:06:47.004 D-BUS: JACK-Server konnte nicht gestartet werden. Tut mir leid

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: Starting jack server...

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: JACK server starting in realtime mode with
priority 10

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: Acquired audio card Audio0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: creating alsa driver ...
hw:DSP24|hw:DSP24|1024|2|96000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: Using ALSA driver ICE1712 running on card 0 -
Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 at 0xa800, irq 16

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: configuring for 96000Hz, period = 1024 frames
(10.7 ms), buffer = 2 periods

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for capture

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for playback

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:0,0,0
in-hw-0-0-0-MIDI-1-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:0,0,0
out-hw-0-0-0-MIDI-1-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:0,1,0
in-hw-0-1-0-MIDI-2-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:0,1,0
out-hw-0-1-0-MIDI-2-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:2,0,0
in-hw-2-0-0-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-1

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:2,0,1
in-hw-2-0-1-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-2

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:2,0,0
out-hw-2-0-0-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-1

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: added port hw:2,0,1
out-hw-2-0-1-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-2

Thu Aug 29 10:06:30 2013: scan: opened port hw:0,0,0
in-hw-0-0-0-MIDI-1-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: ERROR: JackPosixProcessSync::LockedTimedWait
error usec = 5000000 err = Connection timed out

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: ERROR: Driver is not running

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: ERROR: Cannot open client name = dbusapi

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: ERROR: failed to create dbusapi jack client

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: scan: opened port hw:0,0,0
out-hw-0-0-0-MIDI-1-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: scan: opened port hw:0,1,0
in-hw-0-1-0-MIDI-2-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: scan: opened port hw:0,1,0
out-hw-0-1-0-MIDI-2-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: scan: opened port hw:2,0,0
in-hw-2-0-0-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-1

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: scan: opened port hw:2,0,1
in-hw-2-0-1-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-2

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: scan: opened port hw:2,0,0
out-hw-2-0-0-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-1

Thu Aug 29 10:06:35 2013: scan: opened port hw:2,0,1
out-hw-2-0-1-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-2

Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

Cannot connect to server request channel

jack server is not running or cannot be started

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: ERROR: ALSA: poll time out, polled for 15999017
usecs

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: ERROR: JackAudioDriver::ProcessAsync: read error,
stopping...

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:0,0,0
in-hw-0-0-0-MIDI-1-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:0,0,0
out-hw-0-0-0-MIDI-1-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:0,1,0
in-hw-0-1-0-MIDI-2-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:0,1,0
out-hw-0-1-0-MIDI-2-Hoontech-STA-DSP24-0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:2,0,0
in-hw-2-0-0-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-1

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:2,0,1
in-hw-2-0-1-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-2

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:2,0,0
out-hw-2-0-0-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-1

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: scan: deleted port hw:2,0,1
out-hw-2-0-1-USB-Device-0x7104-0x2202-MIDI-2

Thu Aug 29 10:06:46 2013: Released audio card Audio0

Thu Aug 29 10:06:47 2013: Saving settings to
"/home/chris/.config/jack/conf.xml" ...

10:06:49.041 Keine Verbindungsaufnahme als Client zum JACK-Server m?glich.
- Gesamtbetrieb schlug fehl. - Verbindungsaufnahme zum Server gescheitert.
Bitte sehen Sie im Meldungsfenster nach weiteren Informationen.

Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

Cannot connect to server request channel

jack server is not running or cannot be started



I work with KX-Studio (Ubuntu) 12.4.


Any Ideas?


Thanks for help.


Chris
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 29 08:36:47 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:36:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack don't start any more
In-Reply-To: <CA+nYFSRSzNub9neT-j3Fr5ZPs=ckqDR=f-wXGtpW+VJ+-YPR3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+nYFSRSzNub9neT-j3Fr5ZPs=ckqDR=f-wXGtpW+VJ+-YPR3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1377765407.684.32.camel@archlinux>

Do you need jack dbus?
In Setup > Misc you could disable it, if it shouldn't be needed.

I guess you'll get English output if you run

LANG=C qjackctl

or

export LC_MESSAGES=C
qjackctl

or perhaps you can choose a language somewhere else for your DE.

Sorry, I can't help, others maybe need English messages to help you.




From ch.bungue at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 09:01:23 2013
From: ch.bungue at gmail.com (Chris Bungue)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:01:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack don't start any more
In-Reply-To: <1377765407.684.32.camel@archlinux>
References: <CA+nYFSRSzNub9neT-j3Fr5ZPs=ckqDR=f-wXGtpW+VJ+-YPR3w@mail.gmail.com>
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Sorry, here is the English output:

 10:53:15.534 Patchbay deactivated.

10:53:15.543 Statistics reset.

10:53:15.551 ALSA connection change.

10:53:15.559 D-BUS: Service is available (org.jackaudio.service aka
jackdbus).

Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory

Cannot connect to server request channel

jack server is not running or cannot be started

10:53:15.578 ALSA connection graph change.

10:54:07.776 D-BUS: JACK server could not be started. Sorry

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: Starting jack server...

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: JACK server starting in realtime mode with
priority 10

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: Acquired audio card Audio0

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: creating alsa driver ...
hw:DSP24|hw:DSP24|1024|2|96000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: Using ALSA driver ICE1712 running on card 0 -
Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 at 0xa800, irq 16

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: configuring for 96000Hz, period = 1024 frames
(10.7 ms), buffer = 2 periods

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for capture

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:53:51 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for playback

Thu Aug 29 10:53:56 2013: ERROR: JackPosixProcessSync::LockedTimedWait
error usec = 5000000 err = Connection timed out

Thu Aug 29 10:53:56 2013: ERROR: Driver is not running

Thu Aug 29 10:53:56 2013: ERROR: Cannot open client name = dbusapi

Thu Aug 29 10:53:56 2013: ERROR: failed to create dbusapi jack client

Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory

Cannot connect to server request channel

jack server is not running or cannot be started

10:54:07.793 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall
operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages
window for more info.

Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory

Cannot connect to server request channel

jack server is not running or cannot be started

Thu Aug 29 10:54:07 2013: ERROR: ALSA: poll time out, polled for 15999025
usecs

Thu Aug 29 10:54:07 2013: ERROR: JackAudioDriver::ProcessAsync: read error,
stopping...

Thu Aug 29 10:54:07 2013: Released audio card Audio0

Thu Aug 29 10:54:07 2013: Saving settings to
"/home/chris/.config/jack/conf.xml" ...

Thu Aug 29 10:54:48 2013: Saving settings to
"/home/chris/.config/jack/conf.xml" ...

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: Starting jack server...

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: JACK server starting in realtime mode with
priority 10

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: Acquired audio card Audio0

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: creating alsa driver ...
hw:DSP24|hw:DSP24|1024|2|96000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: Using ALSA driver ICE1712 running on card 0 -
Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 at 0xa800, irq 16

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: configuring for 96000Hz, period = 1024 frames
(10.7 ms), buffer = 2 periods

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for capture

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:54:58 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for playback

Thu Aug 29 10:55:03 2013: ERROR: JackPosixProcessSync::LockedTimedWait
error usec = 5000000 err = Connection timed out

Thu Aug 29 10:55:03 2013: ERROR: Driver is not running

Thu Aug 29 10:55:03 2013: ERROR: Cannot open client name = dbusapi

Thu Aug 29 10:55:03 2013: ERROR: failed to create dbusapi jack client

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: ------------------

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: Controller activated. Version 1.9.10 (0+) built
on Mon Aug 12 10:15:35 2013

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: Loading settings from
"/home/chris/.config/jack/conf.xml" using expat_2.0.1 ...

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'engine':'driver':'(null)' to
value "alsa"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'engine':'name':'(null)' to
value "(voreingestellt)"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'engine':'realtime':'(null)' to
value "true"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'engine':'verbose':'(null)' to
value "false"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter
'engine':'client-timeout':'(null)' to value "500"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'device' to
value "hw:DSP24"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'capture' to
value "hw:DSP24"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'playback' to
value "hw:DSP24"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'rate' to
value "96000"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'period' to
value "1024"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'nperiods' to
value "2"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'hwmon' to
value "false"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'hwmeter' to
value "false"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'duplex' to
value "true"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'softmode' to
value "false"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'monitor' to
value "false"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'dither' to
value "n"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'shorts' to
value "false"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: setting parameter 'drivers':'alsa':'hw-alias' to
value "true"

Thu Aug 29 10:55:04 2013: Listening for D-Bus messages

Thu Aug 29 10:55:06 2013: Starting jack server...

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: JACK server starting in realtime mode with
priority 10

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: Acquired audio card Audio0

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: creating alsa driver ...
hw:DSP24|hw:DSP24|1024|2|96000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: Using ALSA driver ICE1712 running on card 0 -
Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 at 0xa800, irq 16

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: configuring for 96000Hz, period = 1024 frames
(10.7 ms), buffer = 2 periods

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for capture

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback:
32bit integer little-endian

Thu Aug 29 10:55:07 2013: ALSA: use 2 periods for playback

Thu Aug 29 10:55:12 2013: ERROR: JackPosixProcessSync::LockedTimedWait
error usec = 5000000 err = Connection timed out

Thu Aug 29 10:55:12 2013: ERROR: Driver is not running

Thu Aug 29 10:55:12 2013: ERROR: Cannot open client name = dbusapi

Thu Aug 29 10:55:12 2013: ERROR: failed to create dbusapi jack client

Thu Aug 29 10:55:23 2013: ERROR: ALSA: poll time out, polled for 15999019
usecs

Thu Aug 29 10:55:23 2013: ERROR: JackAudioDriver::ProcessAsync: read error,
stopping...

Thu Aug 29 10:55:23 2013: Released audio card Audio0


I try to disable jack dbus, but it makes no  difference.

--
chris


2013/8/29 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>

> Do you need jack dbus?
> In Setup > Misc you could disable it, if it shouldn't be needed.
>
> I guess you'll get English output if you run
>
> LANG=C qjackctl
>
> or
>
> export LC_MESSAGES=C
> qjackctl
>
> or perhaps you can choose a language somewhere else for your DE.
>
> Sorry, I can't help, others maybe need English messages to help you.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 29 10:10:53 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:10:53 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack don't start any more
In-Reply-To: <CA+nYFSTakr-UyghH95qu2AdpbFmUwH5gM8DfdC+4_FuHdbQ1_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+nYFSRSzNub9neT-j3Fr5ZPs=ckqDR=f-wXGtpW+VJ+-YPR3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1377765407.684.32.camel@archlinux>
 <CA+nYFSTakr-UyghH95qu2AdpbFmUwH5gM8DfdC+4_FuHdbQ1_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1377771053.684.37.camel@archlinux>

Did you google for the errors?

When I google for "ERROR: Cannot open client name = dbusapi" and only
flip through the replies (no time to read it for you ;), I read
"yesterday it works, today it doesn't work anymore" and then I read
"pulseaudio, pulseaudio, pulseaudio".

Just a shot in the dark, if you've got pulseaudio installed, than purge
remove it.


From ch.bungue at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 12:48:18 2013
From: ch.bungue at gmail.com (Chris Bungue)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:48:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack don't start any more
In-Reply-To: <1377771053.684.37.camel@archlinux>
References: <CA+nYFSRSzNub9neT-j3Fr5ZPs=ckqDR=f-wXGtpW+VJ+-YPR3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1377765407.684.32.camel@archlinux>
 <CA+nYFSTakr-UyghH95qu2AdpbFmUwH5gM8DfdC+4_FuHdbQ1_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <1377771053.684.37.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <CA+nYFST7xrBvwgeUO6yg7J2Rzh=Pe7A58icXnu4Y+8LtDAxPZA@mail.gmail.com>

The problem is solved. Yesterday I work with a mikrofon preamp DSPII which
is connected over S/PDIF to the computer. But the preamp was not on today
and I forgot that I change the Master Clock setting in the envy24 mixer to
S/PDIF. There was simply no clock.

thanks
chris


2013/8/29 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>

> Did you google for the errors?
>
> When I google for "ERROR: Cannot open client name = dbusapi" and only
> flip through the replies (no time to read it for you ;), I read
> "yesterday it works, today it doesn't work anymore" and then I read
> "pulseaudio, pulseaudio, pulseaudio".
>
> Just a shot in the dark, if you've got pulseaudio installed, than purge
> remove it.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From brunogola at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 13:50:40 2013
From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:50:40 -0300
Subject: [LAU] MOD web-ui
In-Reply-To: <521E4BA2.6050508@web.de>
References: <521DB096.5020206@web.de>
 <CA+45zYULmbBS+hovx5uUkv8UQgbkBbexV5wNXshARnb-p6Rbnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <521E30E8.2020300@web.de>
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nice!

i think all cloud plugins are compiled for the MOD hardware, 64 bits,
etc... but with mod-sdk you can install any lv2 plugin to your mod-ui
webserver.

i think at some point we will use the default lv2 paths and try to
load every plugin you have installed, but for now we prefer this way
because if you don't use the sdk to install a new plugin you won't get
the beautiful icons/graphics and then the UI doesn't make that much
sense and becomes hard to experience.

[]'s

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:12 PM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
> Am 28.08.2013 20:14, schrieb Bruno Gola:
>
>> oh also, the chromium version matters ... i kinda remember there was a
>> bug on older browsers.
>>
>> i'm using chromium 28.
>>
>
> Ahhh, got it. :-D
> Success
>
> I've tried firefox all the time, couldn't imagine that it depend on cromium.
> So, now the fun begins. :-)
> I'm now using cromium Version 28.0.1500.71 Debian jessie/sid (209842) and it
> works nicely.
>
> Just a hard corner here and there, as it is usual on alpa stage,
> lilv_lib_open(): error: Failed to open library
> /home/brummer/.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.so
> (/home/brummer/.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.lv2/mod-pitchshifter.so: wrong ELF
> class: ELFCLASS64)
> (well I'm running good old i686)
>
> but I get the Idea behind the MOD and be impressed. Plugins from a cloud, to
> load and controlled via a web interface, running on a local jack instance.
> Just great! I will follow the development you guys made on this!!
>
> greats  hermann
>
> PS. as next I will install the mod sdk :-)
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi hermann,
>>>
>>> which browser are you using? i've only tested on Chromium but we plan
>>> to support firefox as well.
>>>
>>> thanks for the comments :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bruno
>>>>
>>>> Yep, that helps a lot, export the environment variables was what I
>>>> missing,
>>>> now I get effect ports in jackd, which I could connect, and get sound.
>>>> Only,
>>>> I wasn't able to set values for the controllers, not in the main frame,
>>>> nor
>>>> in the "details" frame.
>>>> It works for selectors (could set selection and it works), but didn't
>>>> for
>>>> knobs/sliders (no reaction in UI nor in sound).
>>>>
>>>> Am 28.08.2013 16:30, schrieb Bruno Gola:
>>>>
>>>>> hi hermann,
>>>>>
>>>>> it's still in really alpha stage to run mod-ui on your desktop, but
>>>>> let me see if I can help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> i just cloned the source code from github and followed the README
>>>>>
>>>>> then I started
>>>>>
>>>>> $ mod-host -v  # (-v to have some feedback on what's going on)
>>>>>
>>>>> went back to the mod-ui dir  (just cloned and configured following the
>>>>> README) and did:
>>>>>
>>>>> $ . modui-env/bin/activate
>>>>> $ export MOD_DEV_ENVIRONMENT=0 MOD_CONTROLLER_INSTALLED=0
>>>>> MOD_DEVICE_WEBSERVER_PORT=8888 MOD_PLUGIN_LIBRARY_DIR=~/.lv2/
>>>>> MOD_HTML_DIR=html/
>>>>> $ ./server.py
>>>>>
>>>>>    pointed my chromium webbrowser  to http://localhost:8888/ and voila
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> this should work fine. oh, if you did install any plugins from the
>>>>> cloud server (using the search box and clicking on the 'all' radio
>>>>> button), please delete your dados/ directory (inside the mod-ui/
>>>>> directory) before trying again.
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm sorry it's not that clear or easy, but we were not expecting any
>>>>> desktop users by now and are in a rush to send our first MOD units :)
>>>>
>>>> Hey, hey, mod-host with the mod-ui web-interface is straight forward, I
>>>> can't believe that I'm the first who try it out??? It reminds me on
>>>> jost,
>>>> but the Interface looks sooooo cooool, man, great work. I could imagine
>>>> a
>>>> lot of fun for me to play with it around, (if I get it to work).
>>>> However, I
>>>> fully understand that your focus is on the embedded MOD.
>>>> So, I can wait.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> i hope it works for you, if not, let me now :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:11 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here successful running the mod-host web-ui?
>>>>>> I'm trying the last two day's to get it work, but can't get it.
>>>>>> I could run the mod-host in interactive mode, to get sound out of it,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> fail to do any remote control with the web-ui.
>>>>>> I could run the web-ui, browse plugins, load them, save paddle boards,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I still remain in a "Device is offline" state, I can't get a input to
>>>>>> connect to, well, a output is there on screen, but no input.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a tutorial anywhere?  Did I need to set the socket somehow ?
>>>>>> I would love to get it work, as the Web Interface looks really,
>>>>>> really,
>>>>>> nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hermann
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com>
>>> http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
Bruno Gola <brunogola at gmail.com>
http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599

From pnwright at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 15:10:12 2013
From: pnwright at gmail.com (Pete Wright)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:10:12 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Well, that's wat i see, always the same story: i symply
 want to pose a question with a possible answer from your part;
 i thougt that linux opensource would not reject -like the common internet
 business- my letter that costed me almost a day to wright. The only
 information i get after my letter rejected is to direct me to this mail
 adress (linux-audio-user-owner) instead of giving me the mail-adress in
 wich my letter is NOT rejected, i really don't understand it...........
In-Reply-To: <280f3aeebfcd0ec546978a175ae8344a@mail.marcochapeau.org>
References: <CAKhxBOG-QySGLjTynrMCX1FTE+i48mdQAG30ezN5Trm40MXTFg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO2BaqwJuCRFBZftxLx1ijHhqEQ3_8w814vM8Jjcu28ZNcw2Yg@mail.gmail.com>

To Marc the Admin, kudos for an excellent response.

To Jose, some off-topic advice -- based on similarities in your post to
stuff I have written in the past -- try getting some sleep.
grins
Pete




On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:19 AM, LAU admin <
linux-audio-user-owner at lists.linuxaudio.org> wrote:

> Hi Jose,
>
> First things first: please avoid writing your whole mail in the subject
> line. If you want to be able to post on the mailing list you have to be
> subscribed to the mailing list. You can subscribe from this page:
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
> .
>
> I'm CCing the linux-audio-user mailing list since I'm guessing this is not
> the only help you might need, and I'm not sure I can find the time for this
> at the moment.
>
> Cheers,
> Marc.
>
>
> On 2013-08-27 22:48, Jose van Rooy wrote:
>
>>
>>
> --
> Marc-Olivier Barre
> XMPP ID : marco at marcochapeau.org
> www.MarcOChapeau.org
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From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 15:29:27 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:29:27 -0700
Subject: [LAU] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAE8SejGA_BC5rb7yCiknBRZq3O-_zKvyohOCKQsT275GJY44Yw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks, My main question is, how can I tell pulse audio to use one
card, the same card always, for system sounds?
My goal is to have pulse audio grab control of a particular sound card
 on startup. Right now it seems to be random which it will grab. I
have three sound cards in my machine running ubuntu 13.4.
There is an onboard sound chip--which I want pulseaudio to use, a s
ound blaster live-which I'm not using now, and my delta 1010lt which I
have jack configured to use.
.
At startup, I want pulse audio, and alsa to grab control  of the
onboard sound chip for system sounds--which include speech output
because I can't see.

The jack part of it is taken care of. I have a script that loads jack
with the delta.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 30 15:44:59 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:44:59 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Pulseaudio consistent device numbers - Was: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejGA_BC5rb7yCiknBRZq3O-_zKvyohOCKQsT275GJY44Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejGA_BC5rb7yCiknBRZq3O-_zKvyohOCKQsT275GJY44Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1377877499.3536.173.camel@archlinux>

To /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf add

options snd slots=snd_ice1712

so your card at least will be the first after each startup for ALSA and
perhaps for pulseaudio too. IIRC your card is an ICE1712, if not replace
it with the correct driver name, you can see it by installing hwinfo and
then running hwinfo --sound.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 30 15:50:11 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:50:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Pulseaudio consistent device numbers - Was: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1377877499.3536.173.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAE8SejGA_BC5rb7yCiknBRZq3O-_zKvyohOCKQsT275GJY44Yw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1377877499.3536.173.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1377877811.3536.176.camel@archlinux>

On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 17:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> To /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf add
> 
> options snd slots=snd_ice1712
> 
> so your card at least will be the first after each startup for ALSA and
> perhaps for pulseaudio too. IIRC your card is an ICE1712, if not replace
> it with the correct driver name, you can see it by installing hwinfo and
> then running hwinfo --sound.

My apologies I didn't read correctly.

For ALSA you can set a order for the devices, e.g.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
# ALSA module ordering
options snd slots=snd_hdspm,snd_ice1712,snd_ice1712

Find the driver names for your cards using hwinfo --sound and then
edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf for all of your three cards.


From josevanrooy at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 16:05:24 2013
From: josevanrooy at gmail.com (Jose van Rooy)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:05:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: Re: Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable
	usb-recordig interface.
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbP6qrqf47Q4dfUQfX6uLCNZXsPvEBS3TYLoEvHtx92+Jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>
 <521DBAAD.3040505@gmx.net>
 <CAKudYbP6qrqf47Q4dfUQfX6uLCNZXsPvEBS3TYLoEvHtx92+Jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKhxBOENmeq1SB0rvNA9BkXvkoA1RD86CK+_NpAf7og5YDyEuw@mail.gmail.com>

Hallo Harry, i appreciate you give me the name of this Esi Maya 44 usb
recording-interface of 100 euro {to convert a tape into digital formats},
but it's like you didn't read my letter, because you say at the end of your
commend: 'if the Focus-rite works, just keep it and use it'. I mean..,
almost my whole letter talks about this question: saying i don't like
software focused on Microsoft and Apple, and that i want to work with
Audacity-Ubuntu, the application i most like. And saying in my letter
things like Microsoft and Apple want to erradicate linux, because it
disturbs their immoral money-making business, and because of that they try
to make all existing software/hardware {like external usb sound-cards}
incompatible with linux, and to some extend with their own
operating-systems too, because you can make it work, but badly, if you use
their patented patches and other botched jobs {creating cunningly an
imposed dependence on the user}  wich all are premeditated makings, to
retrieve the maximum amount of benefits out of their obfuscated
technologies.

I want a sound-card wich is like 'native' compatible with Audacity-Ubuntu,
plug-and-play, period. That means with no need to depend on -or being
stucked on some kind of sign-in-website to beg for {staggering} drivers and
patches each month, because this high-handed supposed-cry-baby Gates must
impose his month to month update on his Windows-OS with the well-hidden
motivation {shrewd and cheeky as he is} to make money out of it, and his
aspiration of being the only despot of the internet. The Focusrite is
DRM-ized and won't work on Audacity-Ubuntu plus i don't want to depend on
nothing, and surely don't want to work with DRM-hamperings, because in the
end you'll only harvest al lot of frustration and anger; but up above all
you haven't obtained a satisfactory result. I will bring this Focusrite
back to the store where i bought it.

This story is like buying an expensive and solid-quality mp3-player but
with a little crucial part missing -for instance a little chip-card you
have to put manually into the mp3-player. Than.., as you leave the store
after paying the quality mp3-player, you ask the shop-assistent: 'where can
i find this little chip-card to make the mp3-player work? The
shop-assistant replies: 'are you by car?, .....if you are by car than you
take this and that highway' -and so on-, and the shop-assistent finished
saying: 'the store-location you found by my indication, is one of the
locations where you can retrieve regularly your chip-cards for FREE'. The
word FREE sounds fantastic,  but it is all but free. It is not free
because the word 'regularly' involves the fact that you'll have to renovate
your mp3-chip-card each time. Renovate because there is a bios-like
firmware integrated into the chip-card, controlled through some kind of
radio-wave-frequency, and contains some spy-ware too. The manufacturer says
to his mp3-player-customers that the FREE chip-card is for improving the
player through the regular updates of the chip-card-bios, "a FREE service
to meet the comfort of the customers", he says. (By the way: the deliberate
sweet-chosen-word 'cookie' is basically founded on the same kind of audace
fooling dissuading-trap intentions). But in fact the manufacturer is
exclusively focused on his own bank-account, because: with the build-in
spy-ware he is compiling all kinds of habits and preferences of the
mp3-player's user. This gathered information he uses it for himself and can
sell it to others to make more money out of it. The user thinks he likes
this FREE service, but in reality he is struggling frequently with his
quality-player because it hampers and skips and staggers all the time on
random moments; that's because the manufacturer is able to modify the
build-in bios of the chip-card from a distance. After a while, slightly
annoyed he phones the chip-card-store and tells them his story, and they
reply him: 'yes sir, no problem, we have the latest release of the
chip-card in our store, so you can come and get it for FREE'. After a few
years and many chip-cards further {plus time-loss and fuel-costs for the
nessecity to travel by car each time when fetching the chip-cards}, he
finally throws his quality mp3-player frustrated and somewhat angered into
a corner of his garden-shed; and did this, mainly, because the manufacturer
anounced a new and 'better' version of his mp3-player,....and so on, and on
and on and on.....

Conclusion: this user bought this quality mp3-player and spended a
substantial amount of money on it, and physically it's his player. But in
fact he don't possesses or owns his mp3-player, because he has no control
over it in no way, totally unreliable, so the functionallity as an mp3
player -as it should be- isn't there, totally worthless. That's because of
all kinds of unexpected random skippings and hamperings, appearing
regularly on your player, so it causes you rather destabilizing moods than
being able to enjoy your music, causing huge anger and frustration.

So, as i said i can't understand your reply after my letter read: 'use the
focus-rite if it works'. Precisely i became a linux-member and wrote my
long letter for that very reason: saying the Focusrite isn't compatible
with Audacity/Ubuntu and that i'm desperate to find a compatible and
reliable usb-stereo soundcard for linux/ubuntu/Audacity. So i can't
understand you are saying something like that, after reading my letter: one
out of two: or you didn't read my letter or you can't understand my
language.
The Focusrite gives you the impression of a solid quality-build sound-card
and it's design is not too bad too, but for me it's totally worthless like
this example of the-quality-mp3-player.

In your reply you talked about having 'snipped away lots of my email'. You
better could have said: 'i took three sentences out of your email to
highlight the essence of your question'; because my email wasn't there.
I think it's oke to highlight the essential parts, but leaving the original
mail (original mail: the first incoming mail wich induces each new
conversation) on each 'replying-page' intact because it is much more useful
and easy for every one, given that incoming people opening a random
reply-page, when reading the 'reply-tekst', they wouldn't be forced to
click back each time to the first {conversation-causing page} mail to have
a reference, if he seeks to understand fully what's the conversation
exactly about. And i would say there can't be an incovenience to this
explanation, because a few k-bites text more won't collapse the
linuxaudio-servers, and scrolling each time a little downstairs to pick up
the start of each reply  {reply-pages that can grow in quantity because the
conversation may be extended to days, weeks, months.....(note: i call them
'reply-pages' to make clear what i mean, because a 'reply-page' can too
enclose a question , from another linuxaudio-member)}, seems to me no
problem either.

Again, thank you for giving me a name of a soundcard and the link of the
video, but as far as the sound-card concerns: in my letter i gave the
relevant specifications of my laptop, and the Ubuntu-version plus my
specific wishes what kind of usb-recording soundcard i'm searching for. But
in your reply you only gave the name of this sound-card, but not confirming
if it is compatible with linux while i highlighted in my mail that i'll
only work with my favorite app Audacity/ubuntu, and too: i heared nothing
wether the sound-card could match with the specifications of my laptop or
not. In the mean time i spotted your recommended sound-card on a site, and
i saw it is compatible with many operatingsystems but linux wasn't
inbetween them. In my mail i talked about a price-range of at least 500
dollar.
This soundcard you recommended me, i saw it on the mentioned site for 99
euro's (by the way, i hate this kind of cheap nasty mind-game, trying to
incite the customer into temptation to buy the product, because the number
99 apparently looks fewer than 100 {translated to money-amount}).
I'm not saying per definition that a cheap item is synonymous to low
quality, but 100 dollar or 500 dollar is some difference, and the
businessman of today knows more or less exactly the relation between
price/quality; he'll never give you something for free.
So, in my letter i talked about 600 dollar and up, and the sound-card
preferable has to have only one stereo line-in connection (the sound-card
of 99 euro you  recommended me has two stereo line-in connections).
This saturday is the last day i'm allowed to return the Focusrite to the
shop, and i agreed to meet my mother's friend (like a second mother to me)
on Saterday because she can bring me with her car to the music-shop ( i
lost my drivers-license 7 years ago, due to a severe depression; and that's
why i grabbed the wodka-bottle; they caught me two times behind the
steering-wheel. Thank God afterward for the irresponsible hazardous
situations that could have culminated in disaster to others and myself; and
now i'm on having my license back, because i don't even feel like grabbing
the bottle, given i perceive my future's proximity without sensing my
horizon anymore stucked and cloudy).

Thus.., if you can recommend me another usb sound-card that meets my
desire, for de price of  500 dollar up, i would be grateful. Than i can
substitute the Focusrite (costed about 500 dollar) in the music-shop with
your  new recommend usb-recording interface -or the recommendation of an
other linuxaudio-user who read my mail-, because this music-store won't
give the money back if you're not happy with a purchased item.
Thank you.

           Jose.*
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Van: "Harry van Haaren" <harryhaaren at gmail.com>
Datum: 28 aug. 2013 11:16
Onderwerp: Re: [LAU] Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable usb-recordig
interface.
Aan:
Cc: "Jose van Rooy" <josevanrooy at gmail.com>, "Linux Audio User" <
linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>

Hi Jose,

I've snipped away lots of your email, trying to focus on the important
parts.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Jose van Rooy wrote:

> So i want a simple, robust and quallity usb recording sound-card


Cool. This if for digitizing tapes right..?
Please watch the following video, its very informative on the quality of
digital audio / tapes:
http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml

that the soundcard works, and that it does his job stable and well,
> converting analogue music into high quality digitalised music.
>

I've used a Esi MAYA 44 USB: they're about 100 euro to buy, and worked
well. If the Focusrite works, just keep it and use it.

Hope that helps, -Harry
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From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 30 16:33:41 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:33:41 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: Re: Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable
 usb-recordig interface.
In-Reply-To: <CAKhxBOENmeq1SB0rvNA9BkXvkoA1RD86CK+_NpAf7og5YDyEuw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, August 30, 2013 9:05 am, Jose van Rooy wrote:
> Hallo Harry, i appreciate you give me the name of this Esi Maya 44 usb
> recording-interface of 100 euro {to convert a tape into digital formats},
> but it's like you didn't read my letter, because you say at the end of
> your
> commend: 'if the Focus-rite works, just keep it and use it'. I mean..,
> almost my whole letter talks about this question: saying i don't like
> software focused on Microsoft and Apple, and that i want to work with
> Audacity-Ubuntu, the application i most like. And saying in my letter
> things like Microsoft and Apple want to erradicate linux, because it
> disturbs their immoral money-making business, and because of that they try
> to make all existing software/hardware {like external usb sound-cards}
> incompatible with linux, and to some extend with their own
> operating-systems too, because you can make it work, but badly, if you use
> their patented patches and other botched jobs {creating cunningly an
> imposed dependence on the user}  wich all are premeditated makings, to
> retrieve the maximum amount of benefits out of their obfuscated
> technologies.

After reading all this junk.... you want me to read the rest?
>
> I want a sound-card wich is like 'native' compatible with Audacity-Ubuntu,
> plug-and-play, period. That means with no need to depend on -or being
> stucked on some kind of sign-in-website to beg for {staggering} drivers
(everything below here deleted and not read)

There are no "native" to linux sound cards, none. With linux it is not
worth your while to sign-in to any website. All the drivers (almost) for
linux (alsa) are created by volunteers on their own time... if they feel
like it. So you do your research (instead of getting cranky when someone
else doesn't do it for you) and find out which cards work and how well
(most audio cards work well enough to get sound in and out, but do not
always access all the built in effects etc.). If all you want is stereo
audio in and out with USB, pick a USB1.1 audio card and be happy. Set them
to 48000/16 and run. The ART "USB Dual Pre Project Series" for example. If
you buy from any good music store, they will let you bring your computer
in and try them to make sure it works before you buy (I do this). Or they
will let you take it back. You are responsible for your own purchases,
take the time to do prior research and then take the time to make sure the
unit you are thinking of buying works for your use. Nobody can do this for
you.

> and on and on.....
That one stuck out... it sure fit the original post...

There is no warranty anything I say will be of any use what so ever to
you. If it causes you to break something you still own both halves.


-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From bearcat at feline-soul.com  Fri Aug 30 16:40:03 2013
From: bearcat at feline-soul.com (=?UTF-8?B?QmVhcmNhdCBNLiDFnsOhbmRvcg==?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:40:03 -0600
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: Re: Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable
 usb-recordig interface.
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References: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:

> There is no warranty anything I say will be of any use what so ever to
> you. If it causes you to break something you still own both halves.
>

Len, this may be the best thing i've read all week. Thank you.


-- 
Bearcat M. ??ndor
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 17:53:14 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:53:14 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: Re: Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable
 usb-recordig interface.
In-Reply-To: <CAKhxBOENmeq1SB0rvNA9BkXvkoA1RD86CK+_NpAf7og5YDyEuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Jose van Rooy <josevanrooy at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hallo Harry, i appreciate you give me the name of this Esi Maya 44 usb
> recording-interface of 100 euro
>
You're welcome.

> 'if the Focus-rite works, just keep it and use it'.
>
Yes. I'm a practical person, and like to get things done. That Focusrite's
DAC has converters that are hugely more capable than tape, so it more than
suffices to get the job done.

> I want a sound-card wich is like 'native' compatible with Audacity-Ubuntu,
> plug-and-play, period.
>
I suggested one, its the ESI Maya 44 USB.  Its a standard USB1 device, ALSA
recognizes it as such, and that's that. The program and distro have nothing
to do with this discussion.
But who cares about that: if the Focusrite works, use it.

> Thus.., if you can recommend me another usb sound-card that meets my
> desire, for de price of  500 dollar up, i would be grateful.
>
Take 400 credit and the Maya. I'm not advising spending 500+ on a stereo
soundcard.

Your emails are extremely long winded: if you want advice, please be
concise. You'll notice more people reply to short, clear emails.
Cheers, -Harry
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 30 18:25:45 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:25:45 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: Re: Asus/Ubuntu/Audacity searching a reliable
 usb-recordig interface.
In-Reply-To: <CAKhxBOENmeq1SB0rvNA9BkXvkoA1RD86CK+_NpAf7og5YDyEuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKhxBOGmqa5CvthY3T+dKxy-6p-oP0tUJ1ZW6a=+c275X1wKOg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1377887145.3536.191.camel@archlinux>

Welcome Jose :)

I read your whole mail to the _u s e r   m a i l i n g   l i s t_.
Seemingly you aren't aware what exactly Linux is. There never will be a
warranty, when using Linux the user does everything on her/his personal
responsibility. Most of us are users, some are coders, but usually
coders that don't get money for their work.

We try to help each others. If you want to get help, than try to write
shorter mails. There's no need to mention that you lost your driving
license etc., it's ok to write this, but less good when a mail already
is that long.

Some of us, e.g. me, are not good in understanding the English language,
this is an international list.

Do I understand correctly, that the sound device has to be an USB
device? Or could it be any kind of audio device?

Regards,
Ralf


From heikki.ketoharju at iki.fi  Sat Aug 31 19:26:35 2013
From: heikki.ketoharju at iki.fi (Heikki Ketoharju)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:26:35 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Custom UI development in Pure Data
Message-ID: <CAAS_qZevLbFrt7a+oJEzuXkQD0m3yb7H1_Mh5awycr9cn5bhPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone!

I don't know if this should be asked in LAD, but I'm fed up with Pure
Data's own gui components, and would like to develop my own gui with
something else (GTK? QT?). I don't have earlier experience with any UI
toolkit, so I don't have any favourites. What is easiest approach to custom
gui development with PD?

I need something like list boxes and buttons with custom text. Nothing too
special.

    Heikki
-- 

http://heikki.ketoharju.info/en/ <http://heikki.ketoharju.info>
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From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Wed Aug 28 16:02:34 2013
From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:02:34 -0000
Subject: [LAU] 3.10-rt kernels unusable
In-Reply-To: <CAD4guxM5sZkr_tDQsQuV0CMVvrBnastfuEXqyes=N8_Awa8=TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1377507650.914.3.camel@archlinux> <521D9128.2060809@localhost>
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On 08/27/2013 11:12 PM, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> 2013/8/28 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando at ccrma.stanford.edu
> <mailto:nando at ccrma.stanford.edu>>
>
>     On 08/26/2013 02:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>         Hi :)
>
>         on my machine 3.10.6-rt3 and 3.10.9-rt5 x86_64 don't work properly.
>         Linux 3.10.9 doesn't cause issues. The last kernel-rt I used
>         before the
>         3.10-rt kernels was 3.8.13-rt14, not used for audio production,
>         but for
>         daily desktop usage without issues.
>
>
>     Hi Ralf,
>     I'm trying out 3.10.9-rt5 and it does not seem different so far from
>     3.8.13-rt14, which for me had been the best performer I had seen so
>     far. This is on Fedora 17 and 19 and on different computers
>     (desktop, laptop), with everything optimized for audio.
>
> Did you enable dynticks? 32 or 64?
> I've been experiencing many freezes with 3.10.x

I'm testing only on 64 bit, the configuration is as close as I can get 
it to the normal Fedora kernels. I'm attaching the configuration file 
I'm running in my laptop as I write this.

-- Fernando

PS: grep HZ /boot/config-3.10.9-200.rt5.1.fc19.ccrma.x86_64.rt
CONFIG_NO_HZ_COMMON=y
# CONFIG_HZ_PERIODIC is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ_IDLE=y
# CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL is not set
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
# CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
CONFIG_HZ=1000
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