From goemusic at yahoo.fr Sun Dec 1 19:06:46 2013 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (Frank Kober) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] QMidiArp Demo video (third part) Message-ID: <1385924806.14538.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> I've finally uploaded a third demo video this one is focusing on the seq modules and global storage. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYHz7p_eTY Hope this will be useful to anyone Best Frank From atte at youmail.dk Sun Dec 1 21:26:32 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 22:26:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/hjerte=2C_l?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=F8ft_din_gl=E6des_vinger?= Message-ID: <529BA988.70705@youmail.dk> Hi Today is the first sunday of advent. To celebrate I made a new version (new melody and music, original lyrics) of the danish christmas carol "Hjerte, l?ft din gl?des vinger" (Heart, lift your wings of joy). It's available as part of the growing album "Advent" here: http://music.modlys.dk/track/hjerte-l-ft-din-gl-des-vinger For those of you that for some reason can't use bandcamp, here's direct link to mp3: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4343030/hjerte_loeft_din_glaedes_vinger.mp3 Hope you enjoy! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From lists at quirq.net Sun Dec 1 22:02:03 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 22:02:03 +0000 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/hjerte=2C_l?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=F8ft_din_gl=E6des_vinger?= In-Reply-To: <529BA988.70705@youmail.dk> References: <529BA988.70705@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <529BB1DB.2070100@quirq.net> On 01/12/13 21:26, Atte wrote: > Hi > > Today is the first sunday of advent. To celebrate I made a new version > (new melody and music, original lyrics) of the danish christmas carol > "Hjerte, l?ft din gl?des vinger" (Heart, lift your wings of joy). > > It's available as part of the growing album "Advent" here: > http://music.modlys.dk/track/hjerte-l-ft-din-gl-des-vinger > > For those of you that for some reason can't use bandcamp, here's direct > link to mp3: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4343030/hjerte_loeft_din_glaedes_vinger.mp3 > > > Hope you enjoy! Hi You just caught me in-between two episodes of Borgen! Beautiful production and great mood and atmosphere. I love the way the bass and vocal echo gradually and softly worm the rhythm in before the drums come in. I would've loved it more if the drums had more weight and power, especially the snare and to a lesser extent the kick -- they seem a bit lightweight to me and would've provided more of a contrast, especially after the earlier, stuttering appearances in the second verse. Admittedly, it sounded a lot better 'phones, it's just a shame that there isn't enough low end higher up, so to speak, to come across on (my admittedly a tad bass-light) studio monitors and generally more body to the snare. But that's just nitpicking and a matter of personal taste. Oh yes, and it's far too short :-) It's impossible to fault what's there. Each successive listen turns up more little details that add real interest. Excellent work and thanks for sharing. Q From atte at youmail.dk Sun Dec 1 22:13:23 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 23:13:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/hjerte=2C_l?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=F8ft_din_gl=E6des_vinger?= In-Reply-To: <529BB1DB.2070100@quirq.net> References: <529BA988.70705@youmail.dk> <529BB1DB.2070100@quirq.net> Message-ID: <529BB483.4070603@youmail.dk> On 12/01/2013 11:02 PM, Q wrote: > You just caught me in-between two episodes of Borgen! :-) > Admittedly, it sounded a lot better 'phones, it's just a shame that > there isn't enough low end higher up, so to speak, to come across on (my > admittedly a tad bass-light) studio monitors and generally more body to > the snare. Well, I tried to be light in the sound, esp not to overpower the delicate piano sound. The last thing I did before rendering was to turn the bass down 1db, you'd probably have liked it better as it were :-) > Excellent work and thanks for sharing. Thanks! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From jason at mancine.net Mon Dec 2 20:13:45 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:13:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1386015225436-88069.post@n7.nabble.com> Had a response over on alsa-devel mailing list, but the suggestion did not work. Newer kernels support the QUIRK_AUTO_DETECT parameter which once again worked for 8 channels of capture, but failed for playback. I am pretty much out of ideas at this point. Here is the output of an attempt to just use the R16 for stereo playback. There are some maxpacket errors on the MIDI interface (though it works fine) and errors in getting the sample rate from the playback and capture addresses for the R16, as well as errors in setting the sample rate for the playback address (0x03). If anyone has suggestions on what to do with this info (I also posted on alsa-devel), please let me know. dmesg ouput: [ 319.651037] usb 2-8: new high-speed USB device number 10 using ehci-pci [ 319.959768] usb 2-8: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk endpoint 0x1 has invalid maxpacket 64 [ 319.959773] usb 2-8: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk endpoint 0x82 has invalid maxpacket 64 [ 319.960512] usb 2-8: New USB device found, idVendor=1686, idProduct=00dd [ 319.960516] usb 2-8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 319.960519] usb 2-8: Product: R16 [ 319.960522] usb 2-8: Manufacturer: ZOOM Corporation [ 319.960525] usb 2-8: SerialNumber: 0 [ 319.961397] snd-usb-audio: probe of 2-8:1.0 failed with error -5 [ 324.962217] 10:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 [ 334.963237] 10:2:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84 [ 360.798326] 10:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 [ 365.803274] 10:1:1: cannot set freq 96000 to ep 0x3 [ 387.266266] 10:2:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84 [ 392.272214] 10:2:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84 [ 413.894325] 10:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 [ 418.899271] 10:1:1: cannot set freq 96000 to ep 0x3 JACK LOG: loading driver .. apparent rate = 96000 creating alsa driver ... -|hw:R16|1024|2|96000|8|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit configuring for 96000Hz, period = 1024 frames (10.7 ms), buffer = 2 periods ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit integer little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for capture 09:45:13.982 Server configuration saved to "/root/.jackdrc". 09:45:13.983 Statistics reset. 09:45:13.993 Client activated. 09:45:13.996 Buffer size change (0). 09:45:16.971 Buffer size change (1024). 09:45:16.972 JACK connection graph change. 09:45:16.997 JACK connection change. 09:45:28.900 Client deactivated. 09:45:28.903 JACK is stopping... jack main caught signal 15 no message buffer overruns 09:45:33.936 JACK was stopped successfully. 09:45:38.539 JACK is starting... 09:45:38.539 /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:R16 -r96000 -p1024 -n2 -P -o2 jackd 0.122.1 Copyright 2001-2009 Paul Davis, Stephane Letz, Jack O'Quinn, Torben Hohn and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. 09:45:38.570 JACK was started with PID=2919. loading driver .. apparent rate = 96000 creating alsa driver ... hw:R16|-|1024|2|96000|0|2|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit configuring for 96000Hz, period = 1024 frames (10.7 ms), buffer = 2 periods ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit integer little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for playback 09:45:40.660 Server configuration saved to "/root/.jackdrc". 09:45:40.661 Statistics reset. 09:45:40.671 Client activated. 09:45:40.674 Buffer size change (0). 09:45:43.600 Buffer size change (1024). 09:45:43.601 JACK connection graph change. 09:45:43.675 JACK connection change. ALSA: prepare error for playback on "hw:R16" (Connection timed out) DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver no message buffer overruns 09:45:48.627 Shutdown notification. 09:45:48.628 Client deactivated. 09:45:48.631 JACK is being forced... cannot read server event (Success) cannot continue execution of the processing graph (Bad file descriptor) graph error - calling shutdown handler 09:45:48.831 JACK was stopped successfully. -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p88069.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From atte at youmail.dk Mon Dec 2 20:42:32 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:42:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1386015225436-88069.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> <1386015225436-88069.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <529CF0B8.6050304@youmail.dk> On 12/02/2013 09:13 PM, jmancine wrote: > If > anyone has suggestions on what to do with this info (I also posted on > alsa-devel), please let me know. Just wanted to say that I just bought an R24, so I'll join in the research as soon as time permits. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I'm quite busy with music right now, but maybe after christmas... For starters, it seems to share the USB ID with R16... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Mon Dec 2 22:30:17 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:30:17 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: <529A688F.9030201@quirq.net> References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> <20131130193808.7d28031c@debian> <529A688F.9030201@quirq.net> Message-ID: <20131202223017.03f1d7e6@debian> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:37:03 +0000 Q wrote: > It's a shame he won't be able to chip in. But, he has sold all his music > gear, emigrated and has effectively dropped off the grid for the > forseeable future, although there's a chance he won't be totally > incommunicado indefinitely. Wow! That's a bit extreme. I would have thought it simpler just to pay the electric bill :) Seriously, that seems a bit sudden. I hope he moved for a good reason and we'll hear from him again. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 3 05:29:48 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 21:29:48 -0800 Subject: [LAU] illucia In-Reply-To: <20131128174420.5c045441@gmail.com> References: <20131128174420.5c045441@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131203052948.GA25277@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 05:44:20PM +0100, Renato wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey, just a heads up on this controller I found, I know some guys here > might be interested: > > http://www.illucia.com/ > > it surely looks way more interesting to me than the various Monome-like > controllers > Seeing that controller, and having recently watched the director's cut of Pink Floyd at Pompeii, made me wonder if anyone has created a Linux emulation of the VCS3? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EMS_VCS3_Mk_II_routing_matrix.jpg -ken From diego.simak at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 05:51:48 2013 From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 03:51:48 -0200 Subject: [LAU] illucia In-Reply-To: <20131203052948.GA25277@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131128174420.5c045441@gmail.com> <20131203052948.GA25277@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: El 03/12/2013 03:30, "Ken Restivo" escribi?: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 05:44:20PM +0100, Renato wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hey, just a heads up on this controller I found, I know some guys here > > might be interested: > > > > http://www.illucia.com/ > > > > it surely looks way more interesting to me than the various Monome-like > > controllers > > > > Seeing that controller, and having recently watched the director's cut of Pink Floyd at Pompeii, made me wonder if anyone has created a Linux emulation of the VCS3? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EMS_VCS3_Mk_II_routing_matrix.jpg > > -ken http://bristol.sourceforge.net/aks.html It says that's not currently operable at the moment. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Drummer Boy https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/Drummerboy.mp3 Do They Know It's Christmas https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/DoTheyKnow.mp3 Do You Hear What I Hear https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/DoYouHear.mp3 Mary Did You Know https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/MaryDidYouKnow.mp3 What If God Rest https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/WhatIfGodRest.mp3 These songs obviously belong to their owners, and I only lay claim to my arrangements. Rusty From allcoms at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 13:23:50 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:23:50 +0000 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 Message-ID: KXStudio 12.04.3 RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENT KXStudio is a freely downloadable and easy to use GNU/Linux operating system that focuses on audio and video production. The installation disc includes a comprehensive selection of ready-to-run multimedia production software such as the Ardour, qtractor and REAPER DAWs, the KDEnlive video editor, the Renoise, Sunvox and Rosegarden sequencers, GIMP image editor, k3b CD/DVD/BD burner, 100's of effect plugins and virtual instrument plugins and much, much more. KXStudio allows everybody to hit the ground running with an optimized and largely pre-configured free software based digital studio. Multimedia-focused GNU/Linux distributions are nothing new, so what makes KXStudio special? * KXStudio includes Cadence, a suite of custom tools that makes it simple to manage the various layers and features of the various Linux audio sub-systems, integrating them seamlessly via a single app. If you've attempted audio production under Linux previously and struggled, you may find Cadence to be the solution to your Linux audio difficulties. * The easiest way to get going with KXStudio is to install afresh from its DVD ISO but more experienced Linux users have the option of adding the KXStudio software repositories onto an existing Ubuntu or Debian installation so that they may easily install a wide variety of multimedia packages and just take what they need. 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URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Dec 3 19:27:22 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 19:27:22 +0000 Subject: [LAU] QMidiArp Demo video (third part) In-Reply-To: <1385924806.14538.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1385924806.14538.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20131203192722.5c02d345@debian> On Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Frank Kober wrote: > I've finally uploaded a third demo video this one is focusing on the seq modules and global storage. > Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYHz7p_eTY > Hope this will be useful to anyone > > Best > Frank Excellent demo. QMidiArp has come a very long way since I first saw it! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Dec 3 19:31:52 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 19:31:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/hjerte=2C_l=C3=B8?= =?utf-8?q?ft_din_gl=C3=A6des_vinger?= In-Reply-To: <529BA988.70705@youmail.dk> References: <529BA988.70705@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <20131203193152.1abcda8a@debian> On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 22:26:32 +0100 Atte wrote: > Hi > > Today is the first sunday of advent. To celebrate I made a new version > (new melody and music, original lyrics) of the danish christmas carol > "Hjerte, l?ft din gl?des vinger" (Heart, lift your wings of joy). > > It's available as part of the growing album "Advent" here: > http://music.modlys.dk/track/hjerte-l-ft-din-gl-des-vinger > > For those of you that for some reason can't use bandcamp, here's direct > link to mp3: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4343030/hjerte_loeft_din_glaedes_vinger.mp3 > > Hope you enjoy! Very enjoyable, and thanks for printing the words. I'm sure I'm missing some detail but an on-line translator at least gives me an idea of the song! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 3 19:39:22 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:39:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > In Germany they still produce cassette tapes :). Quality control is done > with Studer tape recorders and RFT monitors. Some years ago I got two > RFT monitors for less than 50,- ? at Ebay :). Seen on German television, > today at 18:31 kabel eins. I suspect the Studer studio tape recorders > are un-payable and impossible to maintain, so I suspect there will be no > long future for this technology. The same factory does produce records > too :). > > The cassette tapes they produce are audio dramas, they didn't mention > music. One self-reply is allowed? I forgot to mention that the coping tape recorders are second-hand from the USA, don't know the vendor, but seemingly also end-of-range models. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 3 17:38:23 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:38:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany Message-ID: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> In Germany they still produce cassette tapes :). Quality control is done with Studer tape recorders and RFT monitors. Some years ago I got two RFT monitors for less than 50,- ? at Ebay :). Seen on German television, today at 18:31 kabel eins. I suspect the Studer studio tape recorders are un-payable and impossible to maintain, so I suspect there will be no long future for this technology. The same factory does produce records too :). The cassette tapes they produce are audio dramas, they didn't mention music. Regards, Ralf From brummer- at web.de Tue Dec 3 17:49:57 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:49:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <529E19C5.60306@web.de> Am 03.12.2013 14:23, schrieb Dan MacDonald: > KXStudio is a freely downloadable and easy to use GNU/Linux operating > system that focuses on audio and video production. The installation > disc includes a comprehensive selection of ready-to-run multimedia > production software The include package list looks a bit outdated, isn't it? http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/GvxoV From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Dec 3 19:52:26 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 19:52:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A few Christmas standards made with LInux and Nama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131203195226.1432f70e@debian> On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 22:24:15 -0800 Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi guys, > Season's greetings. > Here are a few of the cover songs I produced and recorded for my > Christmas album. > I'm playing and singing everything here for better or worse. > I recorded and mixed everything in Nama over about two months of > sporatic evenings.. > > There are moments which I'm proud of, and things I know could have > been better. But, rather than letting it languish, I wanted to get it > out. I can always remix and redo. :-) > I wish I could have corrected the vocal intonation in several places. > I wish I hadn't mixed the bass so hot, and wish I had punped up the > percussion a bit. I also need to learn to master. > There are other nocks, but those are the biggest. > > Feel free to pass along your gentle constructive criticism. :-) > > Here are the links. > > Drummer Boy > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/Drummerboy.mp3 > > Do They Know It's Christmas > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/DoTheyKnow.mp3 > > Do You Hear What I Hear > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/DoYouHear.mp3 > > Mary Did You Know > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/MaryDidYouKnow.mp3 > > What If God Rest > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/WhatIfGodRest.mp3 > > > These songs obviously belong to their owners, and I only lay claim to > my arrangements. > > Rusty Thanks for these. I was particularly impressed with your arrangement of "Do They Know". The original is so well known it's a hard act to follow! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From marc at hacklava.net Tue Dec 3 20:04:40 2013 From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:04:40 -0500 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: <529E19C5.60306@web.de> References: <529E19C5.60306@web.de> Message-ID: <20131203150440.25b11626@hacklava.net> Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:49:57 +0100, hermann meyer a ?crit : > Am 03.12.2013 14:23, schrieb Dan MacDonald: > > KXStudio is a freely downloadable and easy to use GNU/Linux > > operating system that focuses on audio and video production. The > > installation disc includes a comprehensive selection of > > ready-to-run multimedia production software > > The include package list looks a bit outdated, isn't it? > > http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/GvxoV You'd better look at the Packages lists from the repositories: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists//main/binary-amd64/Packages Replace by lucid, maverick, natty, oneiric, precise, quantal, raring, or saucy For example, in precise, jack2 version is 1.9.10~git20130908 -- Marc From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 21:52:03 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:52:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> Thank you!! I've forwarded the information to quite a few friends. Here in sweden, audio cassette is having a revival since a couple of years back. What used to be netlabels are now cassette labels producing limited edition tapes... go figure. I really like it thou: these FFWD>> an < On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> In Germany they still produce cassette tapes :). Quality control is done >> with Studer tape recorders and RFT monitors. Some years ago I got two >> RFT monitors for less than 50,- ? at Ebay :). Seen on German television, >> today at 18:31 kabel eins. I suspect the Studer studio tape recorders >> are un-payable and impossible to maintain, so I suspect there will be no >> long future for this technology. The same factory does produce records >> too :). >> >> The cassette tapes they produce are audio dramas, they didn't mention >> music. > > One self-reply is allowed? > > I forgot to mention that the coping tape recorders are second-hand from > the USA, don't know the vendor, but seemingly also end-of-range models. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 22:01:39 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:01:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> On 2013-12-03 22:52, Set Hallstrom wrote: > Thank you!! > > I've forwarded the information to quite a few friends. Here in sweden, > audio cassette is having a revival since a couple of years back. What > used to be netlabels are now cassette labels producing limited edition > tapes... go figure. > > I really like it thou: these FFWD>> an < sort of forces a listener into taking in an albums narrative thread, > which i have been missing in the quickskipping digital era we live :) > > And with a a little bit of inventiveness for the cover art, one can sell > these tapes for very decent prices. > > Have a good week, > > Set > > On 2013-12-03 20:39, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> In Germany they still produce cassette tapes :). Quality control is done >>> with Studer tape recorders and RFT monitors. Some years ago I got two >>> RFT monitors for less than 50,- ? at Ebay :). Seen on German television, >>> today at 18:31 kabel eins. I suspect the Studer studio tape recorders >>> are un-payable and impossible to maintain, so I suspect there will be no >>> long future for this technology. The same factory does produce records >>> too :). >>> >>> The cassette tapes they produce are audio dramas, they didn't mention >>> music. >> >> One self-reply is allowed? >> >> I forgot to mention that the coping tape recorders are second-hand from >> the USA, don't know the vendor, but seemingly also end-of-range models. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > Sorry for that top post. Here's a usefull link to anyone seeking to publish a audio cassette to make it up: http://tapeline.info/ A british company i believe, recomended by close friend of mine (what ever that means to you guys :) ) Peace, -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From kvutter at frii.com Tue Dec 3 22:11:11 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:11:11 -0700 Subject: [LAU] First Major Linux Audio Project In-Reply-To: <528BE14E.6050203@gmail.com> References: <528BE14E.6050203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote: > What a delicious surprise! Thanks much for your comments. I'm glad you enjoyed it. > PS. > What license is it published with? I didn't think about that before posting, as I should have. Please feel free to share it, but keep my name with it if possible. I don't think I tagged From atte at youmail.dk Tue Dec 3 22:11:37 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:11:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/hjerte=2C_l?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=F8ft_din_gl=E6des_vinger?= In-Reply-To: References: <529BA988.70705@youmail.dk> <529BB1DB.2070100@quirq.net> <529BB483.4070603@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <529E5719.3020806@youmail.dk> On 12/03/2013 10:25 PM, Rusty Perez wrote: > Very nice, :-) Thanks! > I particularly like the processing on her voice, the vast echo, but > back in the background, and the harmonies. Were those artificially > created? They sound GREAT! :-) The harmonies were sung in 3 parts (the lower support harmony in the second line, only one part), 4 layers each, a little boost above 5k, a little dip around 500hz to make it more airy. That's all. > GREAT vocals. Thanks, I'll pass that on :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From arve.barsnes at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 22:12:39 2013 From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 23:12:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3 December 2013 23:01, Set Hallstrom wrote: > Sorry for that top post. Here's a usefull link to anyone seeking to > publish a audio cassette to make it up: > http://tapeline.info/ > A british company i believe, recomended by close friend of mine (what > ever that means to you guys :) ) > > I've used these people several times for making a batch of cassette tapes. Also recommended :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since copying, forwarding and rewinding is time consuming, it's another way to record and to listen to a tape, than when using modern medias. I still own a demagnetiser and crappy radio-cassette-recorders, but no high quality cassette recorder, it's a pity, but maintaining the last good recorders became impossible for me. I guess there is no future for music tapes. As already mentioned, the German company just copies radio dramas, no music. No DRM :). Less good technology, but much better ethical background. I would prefer a good (USB) tape recorder over a CD burner :), assumed anybody would still own a tape recorder to play the tapes ;). Regards, Ralf From falktx at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 22:53:17 2013 From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:53:17 +0000 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <529E60DD.30502@gmail.com> On 12/03/2013 01:23 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > KXStudio 12.04.3 RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENT And there it goes my chance of having this as a quiet release... Dan, I know you worked hard for the manual and help with suggestions, but please next time let me be the one to make release announcement on my own projects. ;) I was trying not to make too much fuss about the release, so I didn't had so much pressure on finishing the website. I don't like working on websites that much, and I still have to re-do the DISTRHO one as well. (The DISTRHO one needs to be done before the KXStudio is finished, so I know what to put on the plugins section) I love your enthusiasm for this though! 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The installation disc >> includes a comprehensive selection of ready-to-run multimedia production >> software >> > > The include package list looks a bit outdated, isn't it? > > http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/GvxoV > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From falktx at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 22:57:53 2013 From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:57:53 +0000 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: <529E19C5.60306@web.de> References: <529E19C5.60306@web.de> Message-ID: <529E61F1.9020506@gmail.com> On 12/03/2013 05:49 PM, hermann meyer wrote: > Am 03.12.2013 14:23, schrieb Dan MacDonald: >> KXStudio is a freely downloadable and easy to use GNU/Linux operating >> system that focuses on audio and video production. The installation >> disc includes a comprehensive selection of ready-to-run multimedia >> production software > > The include package list looks a bit outdated, isn't it? > > http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/GvxoV Yep, a minor thing that I forgot about. Now updated, just refresh http://kxstudio.sf.net/Documentation:KXStudio12043:ReleaseNotes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The >>> installation disc includes a comprehensive selection of >>> ready-to-run multimedia production software >> The include package list looks a bit outdated, isn't it? >> >> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/GvxoV > You'd better look at the Packages lists from the repositories: > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists//main/binary-amd64/Packages > > Replace by lucid, maverick, natty, oneiric, precise, quantal, > raring, or saucy > > For example, in precise, jack2 version is 1.9.10~git20130908 No, that is wrong. KXStudio uses a lot of separate repositories, and now it's even moving to Debian based repos. Only 12.04.x (precise) use the "old" kxstudio-team PPAs now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 23:18:30 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 00:18:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <1386109221.3249.201.camel@archlinux> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> <1386109221.3249.201.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <529E66C6.6040701@gmail.com> On 2013-12-03 23:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 23:01 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: >> Sorry for that top post. Here's a usefull link to anyone seeking to >> publish a audio cassette to make it up: >> http://tapeline.info/ >> A british company i believe, recomended by close friend of mine (what >> ever that means to you guys :) ) >> >> Peace, > > That's great :) > > I dislike the audio quality of tapes, but I like the way tapes are used. > Since the audio quality isn't that good, the quality of the compositions > is more important. Since copying, forwarding and rewinding is time > consuming, it's another way to record and to listen to a tape, than when > using modern medias. > > I still own a demagnetiser and crappy radio-cassette-recorders, but no > high quality cassette recorder, it's a pity, but maintaining the last > good recorders became impossible for me. I guess there is no future for > music tapes. As already mentioned, the German company just copies radio > dramas, no music. > > No DRM :). > > Less good technology, but much better ethical background. > > I would prefer a good (USB) tape recorder over a CD burner :), assumed > anybody would still own a tape recorder to play the tapes ;). > > Regards, > Ralf > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > The problem i have experienced is playback speed. It seems they always have to start wobbling at some point :D But it's worth pointing that audio tape is still a huge medium in africa, hence a good market for chinese players. ;) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 3 23:53:07 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 00:53:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <529E66C6.6040701@gmail.com> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> <1386109221.3249.201.camel@archlinux> <529E66C6.6040701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1386114787.3249.242.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-12-04 at 00:18 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > The problem i have experienced is playback speed. It seems they always > have to start wobbling at some point :D Good consumer and studio recorders don't have this issue. Sometimes the audible waul is caused by bad bias and not by wow and flutter. Maintaining such as demagnetizing and cleaning isn't hard to do, but replacing a head is a serious issue, since there's the need to have a special tape. I guess nowadays it's nearly impossible to get what's needed to completely maintain a cassette recorder, resp. it for sure is very expensive, since less needed nowadays. > But it's worth pointing that audio tape is still a huge medium in > africa, hence a good market for chinese players. ;) News for me, didn't know it. "Africa" does mean the poor areas on the continent? I don't know any Chinese company, time for some research :). From sakrecoer at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 00:07:26 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:07:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <1386114787.3249.242.camel@archlinux> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> <1386109221.3249.201.camel@archlinux> <529E66C6.6040701@gmail.com> <1386114787.3249.242.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <529E723E.6050304@gmail.com> On 2013-12-04 00:53, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> But it's worth pointing that audio tape is still a huge medium in >> africa, hence a good market for chinese players. ;) > > News for me, didn't know it. "Africa" does mean the poor areas on the > continent? I don't know any Chinese company, time for some research :). > :) I was refering to the continent. But i believe it to be pretty wellspread in south america too. So keep us posted please. :) I have no accurate contemporary reference. my experience with african tape release was cover art for Jonas, a Rapper from Geneva with some big band from Senegal. It had the Senegal national music corporation lazerstamp and all. But it struck me, that 2005 is quite far away from now... :D -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com From brouits at free.fr Wed Dec 4 00:13:49 2013 From: brouits at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Rouits?=) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:13:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] QMidiArp Demo video (third part) In-Reply-To: <1385924806.14538.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1385924806.14538.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <529E73BD.9010000@free.fr> Le 01/12/2013 20:06, Frank Kober a ?crit : > I've finally uploaded a third demo video this one is focusing on the seq modules and global storage. > Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYHz7p_eTY > Hope this will be useful to anyone > > Best > Frank Very good demo, i am seduced and i will give a try to qmidiarp ! - Beno?t From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Wed Dec 4 00:25:04 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:25:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <529E723E.6050304@gmail.com> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> <1386109221.3249.201.camel@archlinux> <529E66C6.6040701@gmail.com> <1386114787.3249.242.camel@archlinux> <529E723E.6050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1386116704.3249.250.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-12-04 at 01:07 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > So keep us posted please. I replied off-list, because I thought a long thread about tapes is too off-topic. I'm interested to read more about tapes. I was surprised to see that German company on television, without a cold I wouldn't have watched television and then I was surprised by your reply, IOW that tapes aren't that obsolet as I thought. 2005 is quasi a decade ago ;), so your information might not be true anymore. Perhaps somebody from Africa and South America is able to enlighten us. Regards, Ralf From marc at hacklava.net Wed Dec 4 01:32:14 2013 From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:32:14 -0500 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: <529E623E.4070009@gmail.com> References: <529E19C5.60306@web.de> <20131203150440.25b11626@hacklava.net> <529E623E.4070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131203203214.1d5cd4af@telecino> Hi Filipe. Thanks for the precision. So the new repos are hosted here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-debian/kxstudio/ubuntu/dists/ I still use Ubuntu Precise, I successfully updated my kxstudio-team PPA to the new kxstudio-debian PPAs. -- Marc Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:59:10 +0000, Filipe Coelho a ?crit : > >> The include package list looks a bit outdated, isn't it? > >> > >> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/GvxoV > > You'd better look at the Packages lists from the repositories: > > > > http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists//main/binary-amd64/Packages > > > > Replace by lucid, maverick, natty, oneiric, precise, quantal, > > raring, or saucy > > > > For example, in precise, jack2 version is 1.9.10~git20130908 > No, that is wrong. > > KXStudio uses a lot of separate repositories, and now it's even > moving to Debian based repos. > Only 12.04.x (precise) use the "old" kxstudio-team PPAs now. > From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Dec 4 01:38:31 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:38:31 -0500 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <201312032038.31166.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday 03 December 2013 20:34:50 Ralf Mardorf did opine: > In Germany they still produce cassette tapes :). Quality control is done > with Studer tape recorders and RFT monitors. Some years ago I got two > RFT monitors for less than 50,- ??? at Ebay :). Seen on German > television, today at 18:31 kabel eins. I suspect the Studer studio tape > recorders are un-payable and impossible to maintain, so I suspect there > will be no long future for this technology. The same factory does > produce records too :). > > The cassette tapes they produce are audio dramas, they didn't mention > music. > > Regards, > Ralf > Studer/Revox? I spent 2 years, about 1980, keeping 3 of those spinning 14" NAB reels running in an automation system feeding our FM station at KSUE. Not a particularly friendly machine to work on, but sure worked nice. And no, I wouldn't want to do it again since I don't have the manuals. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page "Plaese porrf raed." -- Prof. Michael O'Longhlin, S.U.N.Y. Purchase A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From falktx at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 01:39:52 2013 From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:39:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: <20131203203214.1d5cd4af@telecino> References: <529E19C5.60306@web.de> <20131203150440.25b11626@hacklava.net> <529E623E.4070009@gmail.com> <20131203203214.1d5cd4af@telecino> Message-ID: <529E87E8.9040706@gmail.com> On 12/04/2013 01:32 AM, Marc Lavall?e wrote: > Hi Filipe. > Thanks for the precision. > > So the new repos are hosted here: > http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-debian/kxstudio/ubuntu/dists/ that's just one minor repository, there are others. you should always follow the steps in this page: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Repositories but if you really want to know, the repos are: 1. kxstudio.sf.net (things outside PPAs and non-free stuff) 2. kxstudio-debian libs 3. kxstudio-debian plugins 4. kxstudio-debian apps 5. kxstudio-debian music 6. kxstudio-debian backports but you shouldn't bother with this info, the internal of the repos is not something a regular user needs to learn about. just follow the info on the page I posted^ and you'll be fine. From bob at mellowood.ca Wed Dec 4 01:49:03 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:49:03 -0700 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <201312032038.31166.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <201312032038.31166.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Studer/Revox? I spent 2 years, about 1980, keeping 3 of those spinning 14" > NAB reels running in an automation system feeding our FM station at KSUE. > Not a particularly friendly machine to work on, but sure worked nice. And > no, I wouldn't want to do it again since I don't have the manuals. Manuals? You need manuals? Real men don't need manuals ... well, they certainly don't use them :) -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From email.rafa at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 01:56:11 2013 From: email.rafa at gmail.com (Rafael Vega) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:56:11 -0500 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <1386116704.3249.250.camel@archlinux> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386099562.3249.115.camel@archlinux> <529E5283.9030408@gmail.com> <529E54C3.9050202@gmail.com> <1386109221.3249.201.camel@archlinux> <529E66C6.6040701@gmail.com> <1386114787.3249.242.camel@archlinux> <529E723E.6050304@gmail.com> <1386116704.3249.250.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: > Perhaps somebody from Africa and South America is able to > enlighten us. 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URL: From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 03:01:36 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 19:01:36 -0800 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: <529E60DD.30502@gmail.com> References: <529E60DD.30502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <688A52DE-D302-4379-9ED7-FE2A835185F3@gmail.com> ~ Russell On Dec 3, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Filipe Coelho wrote: > On 12/03/2013 01:23 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> KXStudio 12.04.3 RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENT > And there it goes my chance of having this as a quiet release... > > Dan, I know you worked hard for the manual and help with suggestions, but please next time let me be the one to make release announcement on my own projects. ;) > > I was trying not to make too much fuss about the release, so I didn't had so much pressure on finishing the website. > I don't like working on websites that much, and I still have to re-do the DISTRHO one as well. > (The DISTRHO one needs to be done before the KXStudio is finished, so I know what to put on the plugins section) > > I love your enthusiasm for this though! D > (You should come on IRC more often) > > PS: Thanks > > I'm sure I speak for many when I mention gratitude for your dedication to this project. I rely on it for all of my serious audio needs. Thanx much!! R From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Wed Dec 4 06:22:43 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:22:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <201312032038.31166.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <1386138163.8667.12.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:49 -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote: > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Studer/Revox? I spent 2 years, about 1980, keeping 3 of those spinning 14" > > NAB reels running in an automation system feeding our FM station at KSUE. > > Not a particularly friendly machine to work on, but sure worked nice. And > > no, I wouldn't want to do it again since I don't have the manuals. > > Manuals? You need manuals? Real men don't need manuals ... well, they > certainly don't use them :) JFTR Gene seems not to talk about an user manual, but a service manual. The reason that most consumer 4 track cassette recorders did sound that disgusting, wasn't the quality of the 4 track tape decks, it was missing maintenance. From the many musicians I know, I'm the only one who bought a service manual for the 4 track cassette recorder. It indeed seems to be uncommon to take a look at a service manual when something doesn't sound ok. This might be ok for home recording, since most people anyway couldn't use a service manual, but for professional recording a service manual is needed. You at least want an exploded diagram of the drive. No service manuals needed for computer CD/DVD drives, they will go to http://lmgtfy.com/?q=agbogbloshie+images :(, that was different for consumer and studio analog gear. From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 08:48:24 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 09:48:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] QMidiArp Demo video (third part) In-Reply-To: <1385924806.14538.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1385924806.14538.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <529EEC58.4070004@gmail.com> On 12/01/2013 08:06 PM, Frank Kober wrote: > I've finally uploaded a third demo video this one is focusing on the seq modules and global storage. > Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYHz7p_eTY > Hope this will be useful to anyone > > Best > Frank Nice work - powerful stuff. Fedora repos will be updated shortly. From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Dec 4 10:07:20 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 05:07:20 -0500 Subject: [LAU] OT, but IMO really interesting living history: They still produce cassette tapes in Germany In-Reply-To: <1386138163.8667.12.camel@archlinux> References: <1386092303.3249.69.camel@archlinux> <1386138163.8667.12.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <201312040507.20310.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday 04 December 2013 04:50:01 Ralf Mardorf did opine: > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:49 -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Studer/Revox? I spent 2 years, about 1980, keeping 3 of those > > > spinning 14" NAB reels running in an automation system feeding our > > > FM station at KSUE. Not a particularly friendly machine to work on, > > > but sure worked nice. And no, I wouldn't want to do it again since > > > I don't have the manuals. > > > > Manuals? You need manuals? Real men don't need manuals ... well, they > > certainly don't use them :) > > JFTR Gene seems not to talk about an user manual, but a service manual. Correct, such manuals are as often as not from 1cm to 5cm thick. And in some cases, north of 100 USD and only available to authorized service centers. Both Panasonic and Sony are infamous for gouging the hell out of tv stations, saying we aren't qualified even if we've spent the $20,000 USD on the tool kits that makes us qualified. To them, its just another cash cow. And your server bounced my PM back to you. Seems we are on spamcops damned list again. Don't ever lets a salesman who thinks a vacation auto- responder on his/her mailbox is a good idea, anywhere near your own local in-house network. Unfortunately, they do not understand the ramifications of something that might get them a sale they would otherwise miss. To them it 'cool', they saved the sale and thats all that counts. > The reason that most consumer 4 track cassette recorders did sound that > disgusting, wasn't the quality of the 4 track tape decks, it was missing > maintenance. And some decks, from supposedly reputable makers are, despite their disclaimers, junk. The same people that put drive bricking viri on the music cd's and have never made anything but excuses, not even a public apology. You know who they are just from that. > From the many musicians I know, I'm the only one who bought > a service manual for the 4 track cassette recorder. It indeed seems to > be uncommon to take a look at a service manual when something doesn't > sound ok. This might be ok for home recording, since most people anyway > couldn't use a service manual, but for professional recording a service > manual is needed. You at least want an exploded diagram of the drive. > No service manuals needed for computer CD/DVD drives, they will go to > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=agbogbloshie+images :(, that was different for > consumer and studio analog gear. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page Windows Tip of the Day: Add DEVICE=FNGRCROS.SYS to your CONFIG.SYS file. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From jostein at vait.se Wed Dec 4 17:47:39 2013 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 18:47:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Any Linux AT that can handle this? Message-ID: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> Hi, It's' two really wrong things here: 1: Katie Price should never ever come near a mic 2: The person who's responsible for making this public is an asshole. ;-) Peter Andre might not be perfect here but he does not do an unormal studio appearance. Enjoy the show from 1:13: http://weathersheep.com/peter-andre-katie-price-whole-new-world-without-autotune/ I'm one of the lucky guys that's surrounded by great singers and I'm not an AT fan. But sometimes it's needed - like the video above ..and when I'm singing for example! Thanks Fons for your Zita-at1 :-) Jostein From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Dec 4 18:16:34 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:16:34 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Any Linux AT that can handle this? In-Reply-To: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> References: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> Message-ID: <20131204181634.5b7b6b0e@debian> On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 18:47:39 +0100 "Jostein Chr. Andersen" wrote: > Hi, > > It's' two really wrong things here: > > 1: Katie Price should never ever come near a mic > 2: The person who's responsible for making this public > is an asshole. ;-) > > Peter Andre might not be perfect here but he does not do an unormal > studio appearance. Enjoy the show from 1:13: > > http://weathersheep.com/peter-andre-katie-price-whole-new-world-without-autotune/ > > I'm one of the lucky guys that's surrounded by great singers and I'm not > an AT fan. But sometimes it's needed - like the video above ..and when > I'm singing for example! Thanks Fons for your Zita-at1 :-) > > > > Jostein Link comes up 'Forbidden' -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From kaspar.bumke at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 18:38:30 2013 From: kaspar.bumke at gmail.com (Kaspar Bumke) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:38:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio 12.04.3 In-Reply-To: <688A52DE-D302-4379-9ED7-FE2A835185F3@gmail.com> References: <529E60DD.30502@gmail.com> <688A52DE-D302-4379-9ED7-FE2A835185F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: So, if I am running an installation of the previous release do I need to do anything to get the updates? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jostein at vait.se Wed Dec 4 19:00:24 2013 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 20:00:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Any Linux AT that can handle this? In-Reply-To: <20131204181634.5b7b6b0e@debian> References: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> <20131204181634.5b7b6b0e@debian> Message-ID: <529F7BC8.9080706@vait.se> On 12/04/2013 07:16 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: ... > Link comes up 'Forbidden' Hmm, weird. How about now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGKkYCeuiaI From WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Dec 4 19:18:06 2013 From: WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will J Godfrey) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 19:18:06 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Any Linux AT that can handle this? In-Reply-To: <529F7BC8.9080706@vait.se> References: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> <20131204181634.5b7b6b0e@debian> <529F7BC8.9080706@vait.se> Message-ID: <20131204191806.747aea5c@debian> On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 20:00:24 +0100 "Jostein Chr. Andersen" wrote: > On 12/04/2013 07:16 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > ... > > Link comes up 'Forbidden' > > Hmm, weird. How about now? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGKkYCeuiaI > OK, Got it this time. I'm assuming this is a piss-take. -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits. From lists at quirq.net Wed Dec 4 19:54:19 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 19:54:19 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Any Linux AT that can handle this? In-Reply-To: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> References: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> Message-ID: <529F886B.40601@quirq.net> On 04/12/13 17:47, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: > Hi, > > It's' two really wrong things here: > > 1: Katie Price should never ever come near a mic > 2: The person who's responsible for making this public > is an asshole. ;-) > > Peter Andre might not be perfect here but he does not do an unormal > studio appearance. Enjoy the show from 1:13: > > http://weathersheep.com/peter-andre-katie-price-whole-new-world-without-autotune/ > > > I'm one of the lucky guys that's surrounded by great singers and I'm not > an AT fan. But sometimes it's needed - like the video above ..and when > I'm singing for example! Thanks Fons for your Zita-at1 :-) > > > > Jostein Actually, on point one, I think everything after "never ever" is redundant :-) Why is it that when someone says "you have been warned" and you know you're going to hate something, you still go ahead anyway? What struck me was that neither of them have what I'd consider pleasant or interesting voices. I don't mind a bit of AT when it's used to salvage an otherwise good performance that's spoilt by one or two fluffs for someone with a good voice who doesn't have to rely on it. But with these two -- aside the fact that Price's performance is possibly almost beyond saving -- it's not worth the effort of saving from an aesthetic standpoint as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps the only saving grace about her singing was that it was so bad it distracted my attention from the lyrics and the piece in general. Some compliment ;-) I'm also very grateful for Zita-at1. It really helped a mix recently where I had to use it on flute of all things. There were a few notes at the end of phrases (i.e. I was very out of breath) where the tuning sagged (and intonation generally was never my strong point). It wasn't much, but the correction made a big difference. I wouldn't hesitate to use industrial levels of it on my own voice if I ever decided to unleash it on an unsuspecting public, but I've managed to resist that temptation so far. That's what's lacking in people like Price, restraint! Talking of restraint reminds me of a saying that is particularly apt here: silence is golden, but duct tape is silver :-D Q From ico at vt.edu Thu Dec 5 00:52:51 2013 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 19:52:51 -0500 Subject: [LAU] please post: announcing Operacraft premiere Message-ID: <529FCE63.9020307@vt.edu> Apologies for x-posting... It is my pleasure to announce tonight's premiere of OPERAcraft. Hosted by Virginia Tech's Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology, in collaboration with the School of Performing Arts (SOPA), and Linux Laptop Orchestra (L2Ork), this week will feature a premiere and a second performance of a newly produced opera. While both events are sold out, they will be also streamed live online (please see below for a link and additional info). OPERAcraft couples traditional opera with a custom mod of ubiquitous Minecraft designed at Virginia Tech specially for this purpose. Using Linux Laptop Orchestra's pd-l2ork software Minecraft's custom mod is transformed into a full-fledged staging environment, with animated character mouth movement driven through pd-l2ork's speech analysis engine, hand and body gestures, multiple camera angles, camera view mixer, subtitles, behind-the-scenes performer warnings, and a full scene control (fadeouts, transitions, etc.). A 20-minute opera titled "The Surface: a world above" is desiged by and large by high school students, including story, libretto, costume and set design. The project is directed by Prof. Ariana Wyatt, Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts' voice faculty. The music is an adaptation of Mozart's arias performed by Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts' piano faculty Dr. Tracy Cowden. Operacraft mod and supporting pd-l2ork infrastructure was imagined and designed by Virginia Tech School of Performing Arts' and ICAT computer music faculty Dr. Ivica Ico Bukvic and devised in collaboration with Virginia Tech Computer Science undergraduate student Cody Cahoon. For additional info visit: Virginia Tech Center for the Arts Page: https://www.artscenter.vt.edu/Online/ (click on Performances & Events -> Other Events) Virginia Tech Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology http://www.icat.vt.edu/funding/operacraft Livestream (December 4th 730pm EST, December 7th 2pm EST): https://new.livestream.com/operacraft L2Ork and Pd-L2Ork: http://l2ork.music.vt.edu http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Best wishes, -- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Head, ICAT IMPACT Studio Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) disis.music.vt.edu l2ork.music.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 5 05:59:06 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 19:59:06 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Spotify reveals artists earn $0.007 per play Message-ID: <52A0162A.1050901@hawaii.rr.com> Glimpsed this just as I was leaving work today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25217353 -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From christoph.kuhr at web.de Thu Dec 5 06:02:57 2013 From: christoph.kuhr at web.de (Christoph Kuhr) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 07:02:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 no playback (jack/pa) Message-ID: <52A01711.20706@web.de> Hi list, I recently bought a focusrite Scarlett 2i2. I already had a look at http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10055&start=30 and first asked there, without success. So I am reposting it here, with hope that someone has ideas how to get it running. Capturing works out of the box. But I did not get the playback running. Here my Systeminfo: uname -a Linux workstation 3.9.0-030900rc8-generic #201304211835 SMP Sun Apr 21 22:35:53 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux lsmod | grep snd_usb_audio snd_usb_audio 147350 2 snd_usbmidi_lib 29477 1 snd_usb_audio snd_hwdep 13613 2 snd_hda_codec,snd_usb_audio snd_pcm 102477 7 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_ice1712,snd_hda_intel,snd_ac97_codec,snd_hda_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_rme96 snd 69533 41 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_ice1712,snd_hda_codec_via,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_hda_intel,snd_ac97_codec,snd_hda_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_rme96,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_i2c,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device lsusb Bus 002 Device 002: ID 1235:8006 Novation EMS nano /etc/modprobe.d/focusrite-scarlett options snd_usb_audio vid=0x1235 pid=0x8006 device_setup=0xf index=4 enable=1 aplay -l && arecord -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: PAD [RME Digi96/8 PAD], device 0: Digi96 IEC958 [Digi96 IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: PAD [RME Digi96/8 PAD], device 1: Digi96 ADAT [Digi96 ADAT] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 2: VT2020 Alt Analog [VT2020 Alt Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 3: VT2020 Digital [VT2020 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 2: M1010LT [M Audio Delta 1010LT], device 0: ICE1712 multi [ICE1712 multi] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 3: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 3: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 4: USB [Scarlett 2i2 USB], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** card 0: PAD [RME Digi96/8 PAD], device 0: Digi96 IEC958 [Digi96 IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: PAD [RME Digi96/8 PAD], device 1: Digi96 ADAT [Digi96 ADAT] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT2020 Analog [VT2020 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 2: VT2020 Alt Analog [VT2020 Alt Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 2: M1010LT [M Audio Delta 1010LT], device 0: ICE1712 multi [ICE1712 multi] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 4: USB [Scarlett 2i2 USB], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 jack only runs at 48kHz with 512 Frames and higher. Non realtime, no memory restriction, Duplex I tested the playback with Pulseaudio and Jack, neighter worked. Does anyone have a clue, what I am missing? Regards Ck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at olofson.net Thu Dec 5 08:22:38 2013 From: david at olofson.net (David Olofson) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:22:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 no playback (jack/pa) In-Reply-To: References: <52A01711.20706@web.de> Message-ID: (Stupid GMail reply options... *sigh*) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Olofson Date: Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 no playback (jack/pa) To: Christoph Kuhr On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Christoph Kuhr wrote: > Hi list, > > I recently bought a focusrite Scarlett 2i2. [...] > Capturing works out of the box. But I did not get the playback running. [...] I have one, and apart from general USB audio issues with low latency setups on some kernel versions, it works fine. Can't access the box right now, but I can check my config later if needed. Anyway, first thought: The big monitor dial! You need to turn it up in order to get anything out of the monitor jacks on the rear. (I assumed it was for zero latency monitoring level at first, but only the "Direct Monitor" switch affects that.) -- //David Olofson - Consultant, Developer, Artist, Open Source Advocate .--- Games, examples, libraries, scripting, sound, music, graphics ---. | http://consulting.olofson.net http://olofsonarcade.com | '---------------------------------------------------------------------' From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Thu Dec 5 11:06:00 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 00:06:00 +1300 Subject: [LAU] Any Linux AT that can handle this? In-Reply-To: <20131204191806.747aea5c@debian> References: <529F6ABB.7040503@vait.se> <20131204181634.5b7b6b0e@debian> <529F7BC8.9080706@vait.se> <20131204191806.747aea5c@debian> Message-ID: <20131205110600.GC7047@tal> On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 07:18:06PM +0000, Will J Godfrey wrote: > On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 20:00:24 +0100 > "Jostein Chr. Andersen" wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGKkYCeuiaI > > > > OK, Got it this time. I'm assuming this is a piss-take. It's just like karaoke at the local pub. :) -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From jason at mancine.net Thu Dec 5 16:51:26 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:51:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <529CF0B8.6050304@youmail.dk> References: <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> <1386015225436-88069.post@n7.nabble.com> <529CF0B8.6050304@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <1386262286208-88128.post@n7.nabble.com> Thanks Atte. I am not getting much help in the ALSA forums... will continue to mainly post here. My best guess is that the problem still has to do with alsa trying to initialize the sample format (bitrate) for the R16 for 32-bit integer as opposed to 24-packed-in-32 or preferably straight 24-bit integer. Even when I specifically set the sample rate in the quirk, it still goes to 32 bit. With the R16, I get this in the JACK log: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit integer little-endian When I use other 24-bit only devices (like the Roland UA4FX I use for playback), I get this: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 24bit integer little-endian It does work for capture with 32 bit integer, though. Could that be different since the device isn't being forced to process data at 32 bits, rather the driver is receiving it in that format (i.e. 24 bits packed in 32)? With playback, the driver is explicitly telling the device to playback a format it can't support. Just a theory. So, I think the next step for testing is to find a different way to force both capture and playback to 24 bits. This is how I was setting it in the quirk before: .formats = SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_S24_LE Yet it still ends up as 32 bit. Any other formats to try or other methods for setting the sample rate out there? -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p88128.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kvutter at frii.com Thu Dec 5 18:49:17 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:49:17 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Another Aeolus pipe-organ recording Message-ID: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> Hi All. For those of you who like classical music, here's another piece recorded with Aeolus, MIDISH, and Nama. This is for Advent: "My Soul Exulteth The Lord" from the Schubler chorales by J S Bach. https://www.dropbox.com/s/fs20gpdzxftxkz2/Bach_MySoulExulteth_1.mp3 If this doesn't open and play directly from this link, you should get to the dropbox page, where there is a download button. If you have problems, please let me know, as I'm still trying to figure out dropbox links. Please feel free to share it with my name attached, and any feedback you have is welcomed. Enjoy! Kevin From Jonathan.Gazeley at bristol.ac.uk Fri Dec 6 09:33:07 2013 From: Jonathan.Gazeley at bristol.ac.uk (Jonathan Gazeley) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 09:33:07 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Another Aeolus pipe-organ recording In-Reply-To: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> References: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> Message-ID: <52A199D3.2050905@bristol.ac.uk> On 05/12/13 18:49, Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi All. For those of you who like classical music, here's another piece recorded with Aeolus, MIDISH, and Nama. This is for Advent: "My Soul Exulteth The Lord" from the Schubler chorales by J S Bach. > Nice work! I'm always a sucker for a bit of Bach. Very convincing organ sound, too. Aeolus has been on my list of things to try for more than a couple of years - I never seem to find the time to start playing with MIDI synths. Cheers, Jonathan From robin at gareus.org Fri Dec 6 11:53:36 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 12:53:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Simple Scope LV2 v0.5 Message-ID: <52A1BAC0.3000107@gareus.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 SiSco.lv2 a Simple Oscilloscope LV2 plugin for scientific measurements. source: https://github.com/x42/sisco.lv2 manual: http://x42.github.io/sisco.lv2/ I recently had a need for a proper software-oscilloscope and there was also the the case about providing a LV2 example to transfer Arrays of LV2-Atoms. The latter is now available as eg05-scope.lv2 from lv2plug.in "Gentlemen, when two separate events occur simultaneously pertaining to the same object of inquiry, we must always pay strict attention." (Dale Cooper) SiSco is not a waveform display but an audio scope which accurately reproduces the signal up to a maximum resolution of about 1?s/pixel @48KSPS (corresponding to 960KHz resolution) to facilitate measurements of an audio stream. While it may seem advanced, it is still rather simple compared to current technology hardware oscilloscopes: * 1-4 channels * grid-resolution min: 50?s, max: 1 sec (max buffer time 15 sec) * per channel horizontal & vertical offset and amplitude scaling * automatic and manual trigger with optional hold-off * two time-axis cursors (shared among channels) * numeric readout (RMS, P-P, dt) per channel * display memory (freeze display - not acquisition - of any channel) It is already available on various GNU/Linux distributions (although maybe not yet the latest version) as part of the "x42-plugin" bundle. Cheers! robin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSobq5AAoJEKCQvOAs9X8EzwcP/iNZPzBtFkJYO0EHS31uOa+C KmYBMn02IePgWc1V1gHOMDJbavHrjRNpNK4P0YhidbbaE5gFgDb2RKihiak5WV/1 AcCB4V1Cwo3W0v8Vnw6eQ1a4D6ecgGGbTNDghmt/9NTkqZLugy2qRCUP0XAtCgll V0pXiWz5fj56r9xYWG/YX+P/OYAtvPfEA//Kt2EVo8cdQOvfKnil8TWPYURUrZcR wekDByVnInhKbnnVDhGcLazxgCKhTbEEORT/fzECrDXrcO9rI0E/Fu1vUFqvvVzs N5fLjYdap/sgDsIv2Dfw23C5dWepKyQbmiHLJ9HdMkr1Owm6C3UFQ3+LVSluDBmk erfSabL6TSyGSMmCQilRPF2q9yL4tJ14Qx8sYXzWiN5T4auQKoxPEqVToVqutN/I qVabDhei/xbbo0XCY24mxO4i3adeFjIiVFE1upcSpHp8VWM3cpxMVAC3xKmduexM PiTgNRTHSSezrbUaFgrwm/xbNQtnDjh9GgxcexfixIG1/mHxVRNIa4e5QmtSXzpT yINZ+ZtSjpUHZlJSPNHwKUzS0n4AHGotj+tYaW/p4GsGXP7cmUX5OEgLlSjR7Msn SAMDZvsOXCjoFbf0ZYNzu9HVZRYbaB2Tm9QWRUnEs0zM2y6XxfzL9dJhQ9idy4B+ AqdhAtvhFYaNOIiE6eHt =EMjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From harryhaaren at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 13:58:29 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:58:29 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : Luppp Announced! Message-ID: Hey! Its my pleasure to announce Luppp, the flagship project of OpenAV! Announce video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIuKktCaLg Its a live-looping program with a grid based workflow. This the Luppp has features like NSM integration, ArtyFX integration, JACK integration, and powerful MIDI binding! The real-time capable Luppp engine is designed for on-stage live performance. Luppp is being released under the OpenAV release system: http://openavproductions.com/support The target donation amount for Luppp is 520?. The suggested donation amount is 10?: http://goo.gl/Nw12YN Any amount can be donated though: http://goo.gl/xThJow Still interested? Checkout these Luppp feature videos! Using Sends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLy9oG_WpHg Sidechaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AwtMUeBc9w MIDI binding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOGh2tsXBcA NSM / ArtyFX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPJQs6w2XQc Hopefully releasing soon, lets get Luppping ;) -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Dec 6 16:39:44 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 06:39:44 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Another Aeolus pipe-organ recording In-Reply-To: <52A199D3.2050905@bristol.ac.uk> References: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> <52A199D3.2050905@bristol.ac.uk> Message-ID: <52A1FDD0.3050404@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/05/2013 11:33 PM, Jonathan Gazeley wrote: > On 05/12/13 18:49, Kevin Utter wrote: >> Hi All. For those of you who like classical music, here's another >> piece recorded with Aeolus, MIDISH, and Nama. This is for Advent: "My >> Soul Exulteth The Lord" from the Schubler chorales by J S Bach. >> > > Nice work! I'm always a sucker for a bit of Bach. Very convincing organ > sound, too. Aeolus has been on my list of things to try for more than a > couple of years - I never seem to find the time to start playing with > MIDI synths. Aeolus is great. A friend of mine whose a serious geek about music of that era, lover of performances on original instruments, etc, heard me noodling about with Aeolus hurried over immediately dived into what I was using, how he could use it, too, etc. It's great! -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From egor.sanin at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 18:17:43 2013 From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:17:43 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] OpenAV : Luppp Announced! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/6/13, Harry van Haaren wrote: > Hey! > > Its my pleasure to announce Luppp, the flagship project of OpenAV! > Announce video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIuKktCaLg > > Its a live-looping program with a grid based workflow. This the Luppp > has features like NSM integration, ArtyFX integration, JACK integration, > and powerful MIDI binding! The real-time capable Luppp engine is > designed for on-stage live performance. Harry! Just watched this and remembered the first time I saw you working on it back in Ireland at LAC2011. Congratulations! It's wonderful to see this happen. From silvain at freeshell.de Sat Dec 7 17:16:33 2013 From: silvain at freeshell.de (F. Silvain) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:16:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Another Aeolus pipe-organ recording In-Reply-To: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> References: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> Message-ID: <1312071806440.14303@freeshell.de> Hey Kevin! This is a really beautiful song! Thank you for sharing! Aeolus works just wonderfully with your music. Ta-ta ---- Ffanci * Internet: http://freeshell.de/~silvain From kvutter at frii.com Sat Dec 7 19:22:33 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:22:33 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Another Aeolus pipe-organ recording In-Reply-To: <52A1FDD0.3050404@hawaii.rr.com> References: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> <52A199D3.2050905@bristol.ac.uk> <52A1FDD0.3050404@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <3709DF81-0B2A-4628-9BAF-4EBF011C4A8E@frii.com> > > Hi all! Thanks for the comments om this. I'm glad you enjoy it. > > Kevin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sun Dec 8 20:29:37 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:29:37 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Another Aeolus pipe-organ recording In-Reply-To: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> References: <4E6A2727-0110-4885-9D36-DBB37CD0E453@frii.com> Message-ID: <20131208202937.71b1451a@debian> On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:49:17 -0700 Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi All. For those of you who like classical music, here's another piece recorded with Aeolus, MIDISH, and Nama. This is for Advent: "My Soul Exulteth The Lord" from the Schubler chorales by J S Bach. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fs20gpdzxftxkz2/Bach_MySoulExulteth_1.mp3 > > If this doesn't open and play directly from this link, you should get to the dropbox page, where there is a download button. If you have problems, please let me know, as I'm still trying to figure out dropbox links. Please feel free to share it with my name attached, and any feedback you have is welcomed. Enjoy! > > Kevin > Well played. Sounds good. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From atte at youmail.dk Sun Dec 8 21:31:46 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 22:31:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/Barn_Jesus_i?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_en_krybbe_l=E5?= Message-ID: <52A4E542.5010400@youmail.dk> Hi Today is the second sunday of advent, and I did a new version (new melody and music, original lyrics) of the Danish christmas carol "Barn Jesus i en krybbe l?". https://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/barn-jesus-i-en-krybbe-l Hope you enjoy! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From piem at piem.org Mon Dec 9 14:18:14 2013 From: piem at piem.org (Paul Brossier) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:18:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 Message-ID: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> Hi all, I have just published aubio 0.4.0~beta1. It would be nice if some of you could give it a go before I push the final 0.4.0. It's available here: http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0~beta1.tar.bz2 Here is the ChangeLog entry: * Overdue: After more than five years of development behind the curtain, time has come to release a new version of aubio. * General: The library has been completely revised since 0.3.2. The API has seen a major clean up, and has been thoroughly tested. The following list of changes is not exhaustive. * Memory management: allocation and freeing of memory has been optimized in many ways. Several memory leaks and out of bound access have been fixed. * Optimization: the FFT, central to most algorithm, can now be computed using different optimized algorithms, depending on what is available on your platform (FFTW, Ooura, or vDSP). Other simple optimization tricks are included. Most can be deactivated by configuring the build accordingly. * python/: The python interface has been completely rewritten to use numpy C interface, making the aubio python module order of magnitudes faster than the previous version. Several demos and tests are included. * src/: source and header files are now organized in sub-directories. * src/io/source.h: new source readers can now use any or all of libav, CoreAudio, and libsndfile. This means that aubio can now easily read most uncompressed and compressed formats. Compiled with libav, aubio can also read audio from video files, and over the network. * src/io/sink.h: a new sink object lets you write wav files with any number of channels, at any samplerate, using libsndfile or CoreAudio. * src/onset, src/tempo/, src/pitch: the different methods for onset, tempo, and pitch extraction have seen many bug-fixes and optimizations. * src/spectral/specdesc.h: new onset distances and statistical measures have been added. * src/spectral/filterbank.h: new filter bank to compute the energy in any custom-defined frequency bands. * src/spectral/mfcc.h, examples/aubiomfcc.c: a standard implementation of the Mel-Frequency Cepstrum Coefficients algorithm has been added. * src/temporal/{a,c}_weighting.h: standard implementation of the C-weighting and A-weighting pre-processing filters are now provided for most commons sampling rates. * src/synth/wavetable.h, src/synth/sampler.h: provide basic ways to generate some sounds. * src/fvec.h: fvec_t, the vector object central to most aubio algorithms, is now single channel. This simplifies the code of each algorithm greatly. * src/lvec.h: lvec_t provides a double precision vector, required for some operations to avoid floating point overflow * src/fmat.h: fmat_t provides a single precision matrix, useful for multi-channel operations and to some algorithms such as the spectral filter bank. * examples/: several new options, including new programs, have been included. Refer to the documentation for details. * tests/: several tests and examples programs have been added. This should be a good place to look at to understand how to use aubio. * doc/web.cfg: a simplified Doxygen configuration produces a simpler html documentation. * doc/*.txt: the manpages have been rewritten for txt2man. * Build system: the build system has been switched from autotools/automake to waf. Type './waf' or see README.md for instructions on how to use waf. Questions and comments welcome! Cheers, piem From ydjeho at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 17:43:25 2013 From: ydjeho at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dj=E9ho_Youn?=) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:43:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Issue: AV concert & Installation_made in Linux! Message-ID: Hello, The Issue (jae ho youn + sergio millan) finished a month long residency @ the Labirynt gallery in Lublin, Poland. as the outcome, we made a DMX light + sound installation in the cave and AV concert, some graphical works generated by sound. all the sound that you'll hear is 100% Linux. worked on (still!) ubuntu 10.10 and supercollider 3.4. the visuals are done with OpenFrameWorks. DMX installation is done by supercollider and processing. these works are documented on my blog, so please take your time and check them out, you won't be disappointed, I promise. http://jhyoun.wordpress.com/ Thank you very much. sincerely, jae ho youn -- Jae Ho YOUN http://jaehoyoun.com http://advancedsituation.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Dec 9 18:20:55 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 13:20:55 -0500 Subject: [LAU] The Issue: AV concert & Installation_made in Linux! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52A60A07.70103@woh.rr.com> On 12/09/2013 12:43 PM, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > ... you won't be disappointed, I promise. I was not disappointed. Excellent work, great sounds and video. Is Sergio's software available ? Best, dp From ydjeho at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 19:08:09 2013 From: ydjeho at gmail.com (czesio) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:08:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Issue: AV concert & Installation_made in Linux! In-Reply-To: <52A60A07.70103@woh.rr.com> References: <52A60A07.70103@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <52A61519.7060203@gmail.com> thanks for the nice words, dave. for the sergio's software, I don't think there's source code or binary available. unfortunately. but I'll ask him if he's willing to make it available and will post here if it happens. if not, it's made with openframeworks, using GLSL shaders and simple audio input analyzer. as far as I've seen, it didn't look very complicated. maybe you can give a try on openframeworks. On 09.12.2013 19:20, Dave Phillips wrote: > On 12/09/2013 12:43 PM, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > >> ... you won't be disappointed, I promise. > > I was not disappointed. Excellent work, great sounds and video. > > Is Sergio's software available ? > > Best, > > dp > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From atte at youmail.dk Mon Dec 9 19:08:19 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:08:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/Barn_Jesus_i?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_en_krybbe_l=E5?= In-Reply-To: <1312091552250.20943@freeshell.de> References: <52A4E542.5010400@youmail.dk> <1312091552250.20943@freeshell.de> Message-ID: <52A61523.70008@youmail.dk> On 12/09/2013 03:54 PM, F. Silvain wrote: > Hey hey Atte! > I've heard your first song of advent and liked it. I shall make a > comment on it for all. Now I wanted to listen to your second track, but > somehow I have a problem with this website. I understand it's bandcamp. > I don't know, what is wrong exactly. Could you send another direct link, > or is your music available on youtube or other platforms? Here you are: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4343030/barn_jesus_i_en_krybbe_laa.mp3 > Thank you for the nice music! You're welcome! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Mon Dec 9 19:21:32 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 19:21:32 +0000 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> Message-ID: <20131209192132.463332b1@debian> Excuse my ignorance but what *is* aubio? -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From silvain at freeshell.de Mon Dec 9 19:28:04 2013 From: silvain at freeshell.de (F. Silvain) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:28:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/Barn_Jesus_i_en_k?= =?utf-8?b?cnliYmUgbMOl?= In-Reply-To: <52A61523.70008@youmail.dk> References: <52A4E542.5010400@youmail.dk> <1312091552250.20943@freeshell.de> <52A61523.70008@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <1312092023370.30606@freeshell.de> Hey hey! Thank you! Wow, this is different! I've read somewhere, that you were a professor or teacher of jazz music, but I haven't found any other jazz by you. Browsing the archives, I read that you use Renoise to record your music. Do you still work with it? Do you have personal experience with other open or commercial apps like Renoise? I came across EnergyXT, Rezound and PureData in that context. Tata ---- Ffanci * Internet: http://freeshell.de/~silvain From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 19:43:03 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:43:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <20131209192132.463332b1@debian> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> <20131209192132.463332b1@debian> Message-ID: <52A61D47.6050000@gmail.com> On 2013-12-09 20:21, Will Godfrey wrote: > Excuse my ignorance but what *is* aubio? > I had the same question, but then i looked at the domain: http://aubio.org/ And it looks like something i could have fun with!! I can't do this now, but i will get back to you if i manage to test it before you release it :) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 20:00:06 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 21:00:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> Message-ID: <52A62146.4090209@gmail.com> On 2013-12-09 15:18, Paul Brossier wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just published aubio 0.4.0~beta1. It would be nice if some of you > could give it a go before I push the final 0.4.0. > > It's available here: > > http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0~beta1.tar.bz2 Oh well... :) i gave it try once i realized there was some python magic involved... I tryed to run "python waf" it told me to run first "waf config" which i did. It started checking for dependencies i believe. Among a few missing dependencies, i noticed It checked for jack 0.15.0 .... i seem to be running 0.3.10 maybe i got the version numbering all wrong... and i'm not so good at this... but shouldn't it be ok with later versions of jack? Setting top to : /home/set/Desktop/aubio-0.4.0~beta1 Setting out to : /home/set/Desktop/aubio-0.4.0~beta1/build Checking for 'gcc' (c compiler) : /usr/bin/gcc Checking for header stdlib.h : yes Checking for header stdio.h : yes Checking for header math.h : yes Checking for header string.h : yes Checking for header limits.h : yes Checking for C99 __VA_ARGS__ macro : yes Checking for FFT implementation : ooura Checking for program pkg-config : /usr/bin/pkg-config Checking for 'sndfile' >= 1.0.4 : not found Checking for 'samplerate' >= 0.0.15 : not found Checking for 'jack' >= 0.15.0 : not found Checking for 'libavcodec' >= 54.35.0 : not found Checking for 'libavformat' >= 52.3.0 : not found Checking for 'libavutil' >= 52.3.0 : not found Checking for 'libavresample' >= 1.0.1 : not found Checking for program txt2man : not found 'configure' finished successfully (3.413s) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 9 20:05:01 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:05:01 -0500 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <52A62146.4090209@gmail.com> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> <52A62146.4090209@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > Checking for 'jack' >= 0.15.0 : not found > This is nonsensical. First the JACK API has not changed in a very long time, but checking for > 0.15.0 is silly. Secondly, you can't check JACK API versions this way. --p -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin at gareus.org Mon Dec 9 20:22:41 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 21:22:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> Message-ID: <52A62691.9070309@gareus.org> On 12/09/2013 03:18 PM, Paul Brossier wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just published aubio 0.4.0~beta1. It would be nice if some > of you could give it a go before I push the final 0.4.0. > > It's available here: > > http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0~beta1.tar.bz2 > > Here is the ChangeLog entry: [..snip..] Wow. quite a long change-list. Congratulations on this release. It needs a small tweak to compile with different libav/ffmpeg versions. Support for avcodec should only be enabled if all libav* version checks are satisfied: [..snip..] Checking for 'jack' >= 0.15.0 : yes Checking for 'libavcodec' >= 54.35.0 : yes Checking for 'libavformat' >= 52.3.0 : yes Checking for 'libavutil' >= 52.3.0 : not found Checking for 'libavresample' >= 1.0.1 : not found [..snip..] [ 15/199] c: src/mathutils.c -> build/src/mathutils.c.1.o ../src/io/source_avcodec.c:29:38: fatal error: libavresample/avresample.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated. ./waf configure --disable-avcodec # makes it work Cheers! robin From piem at piem.org Mon Dec 9 21:25:30 2013 From: piem at piem.org (Paul Brossier) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 22:25:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> <52A62146.4090209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131209212529.GA19283@coconut.piem.org> Hi! all dependencies for aubio are optional, otherwise the configure would fail. i guess i could print a summary of detected options at the end, but the "'configure' finished successfully" seemed enough. wow, I completely forgot to bump jack version. no idea about a 0.3.10 version. on debian stable with libjack-jackd2-dev, i get this: $ pkg-config --modversion jack 1.9.0 and on osx with jackosx, i get this: $ pkg-config --modversion jack 0.121.0 aubio builds fine with jack on both platforms. the only change i had to do was to change jack_client_new to jack_client_open to avoid a warning. now which minimal version should I use? Paul aubio finds jack and builds fine on both. now On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 03:05:01PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > > > > Checking for 'jack' >= 0.15.0 : not found > > > > This is nonsensical. First the JACK API has not changed in a very long > time, but checking for > 0.15.0 is silly. Secondly, you can't check JACK > API versions this way. > > --p > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From robin at gareus.org Mon Dec 9 21:37:30 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 22:37:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <20131209212529.GA19283@coconut.piem.org> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> <52A62146.4090209@gmail.com> <20131209212529.GA19283@coconut.piem.org> Message-ID: <52A6381A.6070109@gareus.org> On 12/09/2013 10:25 PM, Paul Brossier wrote: > Hi! Hi Paul, [..] > $ pkg-config --modversion jack > 1.9.0 > > $ pkg-config --modversion jack > 0.121.0 [..] > now which minimal version should I use? It's a safe bet to just check for jack and don't require a minimal version. The jack API has not changed for ages and it's a major goal to even keep it ABI compatible for all future releases. If you must, use 0.116.0 or later. That was the last major API revision (at least all debian packages of 0.116 and later that that do provide the meta-package "libjack-0.116" as compatibility reference). ..or use 0.121.0 if you need the new (optional) latency API. Either way they're all ABI compatible, so it does not make much difference. best, robin From piem at piem.org Tue Dec 10 14:16:35 2013 From: piem at piem.org (Paul Brossier) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:16:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <52A6381A.6070109@gareus.org> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> <52A62146.4090209@gmail.com> <20131209212529.GA19283@coconut.piem.org> <52A6381A.6070109@gareus.org> Message-ID: <20131210141635.GB19283@coconut.piem.org> On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 10:37:30PM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > > now which minimal version should I use? > > It's a safe bet to just check for jack and don't require a minimal > version. The jack API has not changed for ages and it's a major goal to > even keep it ABI compatible for all future releases. ok, i removed the version checks, and also added some hooks to make sure all libav components are installed before building source_avcodec. all changes are in git now ( see http://aubio.org/development ). thanks for the feedback! Paul From zmoelnig at iem.at Tue Dec 10 15:37:54 2013 From: zmoelnig at iem.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:37:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <20131209212529.GA19283@coconut.piem.org> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> <52A62146.4090209@gmail.com> <20131209212529.GA19283@coconut.piem.org> Message-ID: <52A73552.90204@iem.at> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2013-12-09 22:25, Paul Brossier wrote: > Hi! hi paul! great to see you back! > > on debian stable with libjack-jackd2-dev, i get this: > > $ pkg-config --modversion jack 1.9.0 > > and on osx with jackosx, i get this: > > $ pkg-config --modversion jack 0.121.0 > > aubio builds fine with jack on both platforms. the only change i > had to do was to change jack_client_new to jack_client_open to > avoid a warning. > > now which minimal version should I use? how about not checking for a version but to check for features? e.g. check whether jack has `jack_client_open` and be done. (at least this is how i read that autotools should be used). fgasmdr IOhannes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJSpzVOAAoJELZQGcR/ejb42B4P/2sinLJyiVGgM9BHmuMLC5+0 vWji7QvaWF9HmRYj6BloO397QSvg4lEq+eObXUqdo3mxSkUPxJbkNKsha/tQvYNp OPbRrGw2gHmpnOFGE9na+RV75ND6OD5uhl2wKQnUJtXsXAiG3aszNb7zEhUCKjJB jRFhbktho2WUznUChA48DJxs3/njhwHQaBQtq5/16FncllnmtY5xHqQBD7SbbAv/ RaTTTqkz/zPVwtysMr/hOEqRojKaz+0JcXU/3AG7weAkpE9g7A7PjeCn0cflf4rl NV7sthj64YjW7HcKKOdDrXdMpXPXvTSOIxrsZJxu2/uvWhjD22q8C65uFrxgs1MJ 3Kd6BCIgROuNoXjzrcPebNQe5+Zvc0xl8SbVbN7X8jfxpQGz2O4Wi9J6Qh3UAPZY mNyNBnLLzr/NFK12P5/h323qHKmOy7WNhDQCH8kJEvJZvp/J2/NuFiuw/ilr12L8 SX/e3LOCEqAkj9MXhrQJMhpCIa84psr2b/f7o+VtETmZy3Gh5pFVZsR/ve1ZR99z cdUiwwF9hySfmtsvZ5s03MKABGcBl/CDvE1IB7nDdIww0J4bA3cJ8ZBeGYYg4AWC y2Df93ZT2cG7QWOm85Yq04LdKltFNUsUFc41bRN2KwINor5JJVfUWs16+anroQ4a anWZ1h3WhWkAXLWbCZ9i =1UQO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Dec 10 17:56:20 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:56:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0~beta1 In-Reply-To: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> References: <20131209141814.GA20593@coconut.piem.org> Message-ID: <52A755C4.9000005@gmail.com> On 2013-12-09 15:18, Paul Brossier wrote: > > * src/onset, src/tempo/, src/pitch: the different methods for onset, tempo, > and pitch extraction have seen many bug-fixes and optimizations. > > * src/spectral/specdesc.h: new onset distances and statistical measures have > been added. > > * src/spectral/filterbank.h: new filter bank to compute the energy in any > custom-defined frequency bands. > > * src/spectral/mfcc.h, examples/aubiomfcc.c: a standard implementation of > the Mel-Frequency Cepstrum Coefficients algorithm has been added. > > * src/temporal/{a,c}_weighting.h: standard implementation of the C-weighting > and A-weighting pre-processing filters are now provided for most commons > sampling rates. > > * src/synth/wavetable.h, src/synth/sampler.h: provide basic ways to generate > some sounds. > Hi again, I spent quite some time yesterday reading about your project aubio. And then i had a dream that i thought i would share with you. It was ome sort of a box running aubio, that i could use to trigger gear or software with my microphone. It was waiting for certain tones, and certain attack-shapes in realtime to trigger different loops and sequences. It wasn't doing anything to the audio, just listening for information of what external (hard- and/or software) gear was supposed to be triggered and how, only thanks to the tone of the melody. This way i could program crazy lines and rythms that would play only when i reached certain parts of my songs by singing them. Basically, all i can do today by pressing buttons, i could do by singing, with a little mapping work... I hope i make sense. Perhaps this exists already? I'm guessing that "singstar" or whatever that game is called, is what i am talking about in a limited sense. Hopefully however, in case there is no such box today, that dream would fit better out of my head, among people who have the power to realise it :) Yours, *Set From harryhaaren at gmail.com Tue Dec 10 19:28:35 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:28:35 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : Luppp release! Message-ID: Hey All, I'm delighted to say that 5 days after announcing, Luppp has reached its target donation! That means that its now available under the GPLv3+ license, to everybody! Grab the details & source from here: http://openavproductions.com/luppp I'd like to thanks the community, for the awesome support Luppp has recieved! Thanks to LeatusPenguin, ZthMusic, AutoStatic, and others for beta-testing, making this release much more polished before this release. Thanks to Jonathan Liles for writing NTK, the user-interface toolkit behind the OpenAV software interfaces. Thanks to all the contributers: you are the reason this software is available right now! Thanks again, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atte at youmail.dk Tue Dec 10 21:21:39 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (=?UTF-8?Q?Atte_Andr=C3=A9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/Barn_Jesus_i_en_k?= =?utf-8?b?cnliYmUgbMOl?= In-Reply-To: <1312092023370.30606@freeshell.de> References: <52A4E542.5010400@youmail.dk> <52A61523.70008@youmail.dk> <1312092023370.30606@freeshell.de> Message-ID: <1386710499773-88167.post@n7.nabble.com> Hi Thanks for listening! I'm not sure this is jazz, but it sure smells funny :-) I'm sorry for not replying earlier, I seem to have made a mistake with my icedove mail folders, so I didn't receive your mail, and I'm now posting from the web interface... Yes, I still use renoise, it's my main music making program. I play (sometimes even work) with other programs from time to time, but renoise works very well for me. EnergyXT is actually quite nice, however it 1) can't handle the number of audio tracks I'm working with, 2) contains annoying bugs and 3) doesn't seem to be maintained. Rezound is a sound-file editor (unless I'm missing something), so it's something else. PD is really great, but much more general purpose, I wouldn't know how to do what I do with it. BitWig (still unavailable to the public) could be my next main program, provided it's stable and the price is reasonable. Regarding renoise: It's a tracker, which means it takes some getting used to. It has advantages and disadvantages compared to other DAWs. The main reasons I use it over the other choices are 1) extreme stability and 2) the project is contained in one file (so you can open an ancient project and it just works right away). Atte -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/Music-made-with-linux-Modlys-Barn-Jesus-i-en-krybbe-l-tp88147p88167.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From atte at youmail.dk Tue Dec 10 21:28:02 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:28:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : Luppp release! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52A78762.9080008@youmail.dk> On 12/10/2013 08:28 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote: > Grab the details & source from here: http://openavproductions.com/luppp I did! Will play with luppp ASAP, not sure exactly what it does, but it sure look cool! Thanks for your work! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From bob at mellowood.ca Tue Dec 10 22:12:34 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:12:34 -0700 Subject: [LAU] USB card oddness Message-ID: I have one of those cheap little sound cards which look like a telephone handset which I've been using on my wife's computer. Had it plugged into a USB multiport. Worked without a problem .... until recently. The speaker worked just fine, but the microphone refused to work. And when I say that it didn't work, it was completely dead. Mind you both pulse and alsa found the mic just fine. I thought the unit was buggered. After all, it's just a 5 or 10$ device. But, I tried it on my computer and it worked fine. Hmmm .... now I get to debug! Figured it out after a few hours :) We'd only recently plugged her mouse into the same multiport. If the "telephone" is plugged into a different port, it works. If the mouse is not plugged into the multiport, it works. So, the problem turns out to be that having a mouse and the microphone on the same multiport caused the problem. Posted here so someone else can save a few hours :) -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From gabrbedd at gmail.com Wed Dec 11 01:04:46 2013 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:04:46 -0800 Subject: [LAU] USB card oddness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52A7BA2E.7050402@gmail.com> On 12/10/2013 02:12 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: > Figured it out after a few hours :) We'd only recently plugged her > mouse into the same multiport. If the "telephone" is plugged into a > different port, it works. If the mouse is not plugged into the > multiport, it works. Yeah, that's one of the hidden pull-your-hair-out gotchas of USB Audio. I ran into it once where an audio device was on the same hub as a webcam -- and that didn't work well. The deal is that the audio device reserves a certain amount of bandwidth over USB. If it can't get -- it won't even try to work. So if some other device has reserved the bandwidth you need (which they can), then there's no room left over for yours. -gabe From bob at mellowood.ca Wed Dec 11 01:28:47 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:28:47 -0700 Subject: [LAU] USB card oddness In-Reply-To: <52A7BA2E.7050402@gmail.com> References: <52A7BA2E.7050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > On 12/10/2013 02:12 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: >> >> Figured it out after a few hours :) We'd only recently plugged her >> mouse into the same multiport. If the "telephone" is plugged into a >> different port, it works. If the mouse is not plugged into the >> multiport, it works. > > > Yeah, that's one of the hidden pull-your-hair-out gotchas of USB Audio. I > ran into it once where an audio device was on the same hub as a webcam -- > and that didn't work well. > > The deal is that the audio device reserves a certain amount of bandwidth > over USB. If it can't get -- it won't even try to work. So if some other > device has reserved the bandwidth you need (which they can), then there's no > room left over for yours. > > -gabe Makes sense. But all that's on the port is a mouse and the telephone. I don't see either one using much bandwidth. She uses the same port to read pics from a camera, but that was not plugged. And, I rebooted to make sure things were cleared out. Guess I've got a greedy mouse :) -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From xiphmont at gmail.com Wed Dec 11 01:35:34 2013 From: xiphmont at gmail.com (Monty Montgomery) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:35:34 -0500 Subject: [LAU] USB card oddness In-Reply-To: References: <52A7BA2E.7050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: It doesn't have to be; what matters is that's it being scheduled into a space that fragments the bandwidth the audio device needs. Even if the audio device only needs 3% of the bandwidth and the mouse .0001%, the mouse drops that USB frame into low-speed compat mode and blocks all higher speed devices from using any bandwidth during that timing period. If the audio device requires a tiny, uninterrupted piece of scheduling every period, it's just lost any chance of successful scheduling. On top of this, the Linux host schedulers are not particularly effective about avoiding these conflicts. [sorry for some ambiguity above; I don't remember if 1.0/1.1 drops a full frame to low speed or just the microframe]. Monty On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield > wrote: >> On 12/10/2013 02:12 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: >>> >>> Figured it out after a few hours :) We'd only recently plugged her >>> mouse into the same multiport. If the "telephone" is plugged into a >>> different port, it works. If the mouse is not plugged into the >>> multiport, it works. >> >> >> Yeah, that's one of the hidden pull-your-hair-out gotchas of USB Audio. I >> ran into it once where an audio device was on the same hub as a webcam -- >> and that didn't work well. >> >> The deal is that the audio device reserves a certain amount of bandwidth >> over USB. If it can't get -- it won't even try to work. So if some other >> device has reserved the bandwidth you need (which they can), then there's no >> room left over for yours. >> >> -gabe > > Makes sense. But all that's on the port is a mouse and the telephone. > I don't see either one using much bandwidth. She uses the same port to > read pics from a camera, but that was not plugged. And, I rebooted to > make sure things were cleared out. Guess I've got a greedy mouse :) > > > -- > **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** > Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** > EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca > WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From elmastero74 at gmail.com Thu Dec 12 02:47:23 2013 From: elmastero74 at gmail.com (Aaron L.) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:47:23 -0800 Subject: [LAU] f.lux-compatible flat screen TVs? Message-ID: I'm interested in using one with both the Linux box and a mac mini. I currently already run Ubuntu 11.10 on an older Visio of some sort. F.lux doesn't run on it. Not too sure why. Seems like a hardware issue. I kinda like the big, big-screen aspect but the TV-Monitor combo is ridiculously bright when up close and personal. I use Ardour a bit and lurk on this list like a mofo. Hence my question here. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lau at kudla.org Thu Dec 12 03:15:39 2013 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:15:39 -0500 Subject: [LAU] f.lux-compatible flat screen TVs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52A92A5B.7040901@kudla.org> On 12/11/2013 09:47 PM, Aaron L. wrote: > I currently already run Ubuntu 11.10 on an older Visio of some sort. > F.lux doesn't run on it. Not too sure why. Seems like a hardware issue. Maybe try Redshift? Since it's free software, maybe there's less voodoo. Are you just using the Vizio as a monitor or actually running Ubuntu in place of its firmware? Wish we could do that on our Samsung. I've known many audio engineers who use TV-sized monitors and work at all hours of the night, so this is at least tangential to the list topic. Rob From elmastero74 at gmail.com Thu Dec 12 03:59:59 2013 From: elmastero74 at gmail.com (Aaron L.) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:59:59 -0800 Subject: [LAU] f.lux-compatible flat screen TVs? In-Reply-To: <52A92A5B.7040901@kudla.org> References: <52A92A5B.7040901@kudla.org> Message-ID: Redshift doesn't work either, unfortunately. (How does one bottom-reply on an Android? Ugh.) Thanks though! On Dec 11, 2013 7:15 PM, "Rob" wrote: > On 12/11/2013 09:47 PM, Aaron L. wrote: > > I currently already run Ubuntu 11.10 on an older Visio of some sort. > > F.lux doesn't run on it. Not too sure why. Seems like a hardware issue. > > Maybe try Redshift? Since it's free software, maybe there's less voodoo. > > Are you just using the Vizio as a monitor or actually running Ubuntu in > place of its firmware? Wish we could do that on our Samsung. > > I've known many audio engineers who use TV-sized monitors and work at all > hours of the night, so this is at least tangential to the list topic. > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atte at youmail.dk Thu Dec 12 22:10:02 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 23:10:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable Message-ID: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Hi I'm runing crunchbang linux, which essentially is debian stable. I'm having trouble getting ardour3 working, tried both the source tarball, checking out from git and the paid-for download from ardour.org. Let's take the later: atte at skagen:~/software/ardour3$ sudo dpkg -i ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb [sudo] password for atte: Selecting previously unselected package ardour3. (Reading database ... 208603 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking ardour3 (from ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ardour3: ardour3 depends on libc6 (>= 2.17); however: Version of libc6:i386 on system is 2.13-38. ardour3 depends on libfftw3-double3; however: Package libfftw3-double3 is not installed. ardour3 depends on libfftw3-single3; however: Package libfftw3-single3 is not installed. ardour3 depends on libflac8 (>= 1.3.0); however: Version of libflac8:i386 on system is 1.2.1-6. ardour3 depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11); however: Version of libfontconfig1:i386 on system is 2.9.0-7.1. ardour3 depends on libglibmm-2.4-1c2a (>= 2.36.2); however: Version of libglibmm-2.4-1c2a:i386 on system is 2.32.1-1. ardour3 depends on libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: Package libpango-1.0-0 is not installed. ardour3 depends on libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: Package libpangocairo-1.0-0 is not installed. ardour3 depends on libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: Package libpangoft2-1.0-0 is not installed. dpkg: error processing ardour3 (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for shared-mime-info ... Processing triggers for menu ... Errors were encountered while processing: ardour3 Hmmm. So ardour3 is dependent libs with higher version numbers than my system provides. Needless to say, I don't want to break my system doing this, so in stead of just poking around, I'd rather ask here: What are the steps needed to safely install the dependencies for ardour3 on a debian stable system? Thanks in advance for any help! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Dec 12 22:33:20 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:33:20 -0500 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Atte wrote: > Hi > > I'm runing crunchbang linux, which essentially is debian stable. I'm > having trouble getting ardour3 working, tried both the source tarball, > checking out from git and the paid-for download from ardour.org. Let's > take the later: > > atte at skagen:~/software/ardour3$ sudo dpkg -i > ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb > ardour.org does not provide a .deb file. We distribute a .tar file that contains all required libraries except for libjack, glibc and the X Window libraries. It runs on all Linux distributions (so far). --p -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Thu Dec 12 22:53:35 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 23:53:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <1386888815.688.69.camel@archlinux> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Atte wrote: > ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb You are seemingly using a package from Sid http://packages.debian.org/sid/ardour3 Jessie is ardour3 (3.4~dfsg-2) and for stable there is no Ardour3 package, at least not by the official repositories. Stable is ardour (1:2.8.14-2). Arch Linux comes with 3.5.74. From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 13 06:48:16 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:48:16 -0800 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/Barn_Jesus_i?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_en_krybbe_l=E5?= In-Reply-To: <52A4E542.5010400@youmail.dk> References: <52A4E542.5010400@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <20131213064816.GC2845@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 10:31:46PM +0100, Atte wrote: > Hi > > Today is the second sunday of advent, and I did a new version (new > melody and music, original lyrics) of the Danish christmas carol > "Barn Jesus i en krybbe l?". > > https://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/barn-jesus-i-en-krybbe-l > > Hope you enjoy! That's a gorgeous track! Love the jazz chords, beautiful voicings. Funky too, that groove is awesome. The harmonies on the chorus are fantastic, and that walkdown reminds me of Steely Dan. Tight piano solo too, sweet playing. Your production is flawless as always, and I enjoyed the DJ mute of the drums in the verses. This one's going on my Android playlist for sure. -ken From espiritocz at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 08:53:05 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:53:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Message-ID: Hi, thank you for information - I was hoping crunchbang was from unstable... I have it on my netbook few days and working well. But anyway, unstable debian should be well prepared system and if you don't have "old iron" (as me) and want to do good stuff, using ardour3 etc, I would really recommend you to upgrade into unstable. Living on the edge is the only way to see further, I would say. Milan 2013/12/12 Atte > Hi > > I'm runing crunchbang linux, which essentially is debian stable. I'm > having trouble getting ardour3 working, tried both the source tarball, > checking out from git and the paid-for download from ardour.org. Let's > take the later: > > atte at skagen:~/software/ardour3$ sudo dpkg -i > ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb > [sudo] password for atte: > Selecting previously unselected package ardour3. > (Reading database ... 208603 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking ardour3 (from ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ardour3: > ardour3 depends on libc6 (>= 2.17); however: > Version of libc6:i386 on system is 2.13-38. > ardour3 depends on libfftw3-double3; however: > Package libfftw3-double3 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libfftw3-single3; however: > Package libfftw3-single3 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libflac8 (>= 1.3.0); however: > Version of libflac8:i386 on system is 1.2.1-6. > ardour3 depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11); however: > Version of libfontconfig1:i386 on system is 2.9.0-7.1. > ardour3 depends on libglibmm-2.4-1c2a (>= 2.36.2); however: > Version of libglibmm-2.4-1c2a:i386 on system is 2.32.1-1. > ardour3 depends on libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > Package libpango-1.0-0 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > Package libpangocairo-1.0-0 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > Package libpangoft2-1.0-0 is not installed. > > dpkg: error processing ardour3 (--install): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Processing triggers for man-db ... > Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... > Processing triggers for shared-mime-info ... > Processing triggers for menu ... > Errors were encountered while processing: > ardour3 > > Hmmm. So ardour3 is dependent libs with higher version numbers than my > system provides. Needless to say, I don't want to break my system doing > this, so in stead of just poking around, I'd rather ask here: > > What are the steps needed to safely install the dependencies for ardour3 > on a debian stable system? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 09:01:26 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:01:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] Debian versions - Was: Re: ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52AACCE6.2060000@gmail.com> On 13/12/2013 09:53, Milan Lazecky wrote: > Hi, > thank you for information - I was hoping crunchbang was from unstable... > I have it on my netbook few days and working well. > But anyway, unstable debian should be well prepared system and if you > don't have "old iron" (as me) and want to do good stuff, using ardour3 > etc, I would really recommend you to upgrade into unstable. Living on > the edge is the only way to see further, I would say. IMHO Testing is also a good compromise. But I guess it also depends on personal taste. Lorenzo. > > Milan > > > 2013/12/12 Atte > > > Hi > > I'm runing crunchbang linux, which essentially is debian stable. I'm > having trouble getting ardour3 working, tried both the source > tarball, checking out from git and the paid-for download from > ardour.org . Let's take the later: > From atte at youmail.dk Fri Dec 13 09:14:53 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:14:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52AAD00D.6080003@youmail.dk> On 12/12/2013 11:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > ardour.org does not provide a .deb file. Argh, sorry bout that. I downloaded the correct file, but installed a wrong one. Using the file I downloaded from ardour.org, everything works as expected. Sorry bout the confusion... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at youmail.dk Fri Dec 13 09:19:48 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:19:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] Debian versions - Was: Re: ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AACCE6.2060000@gmail.com> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> <52AACCE6.2060000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52AAD134.4070908@youmail.dk> On 12/13/2013 10:01 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 13/12/2013 09:53, Milan Lazecky wrote: >> Hi, >> thank you for information - I was hoping crunchbang was from unstable... >> I have it on my netbook few days and working well. >> But anyway, unstable debian should be well prepared system and if you >> don't have "old iron" (as me) and want to do good stuff, using ardour3 >> etc, I would really recommend you to upgrade into unstable. Living on >> the edge is the only way to see further, I would say. > > IMHO Testing is also a good compromise. But I guess it also depends on > personal taste. Indeed! I've been bitten by Sid in the past. I find that most apps from the stable repo work just fine for me. There are a hand full of programs that I download and install from source. I'm not really a rolling release kinda guy... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From tito.01beta at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 10:26:37 2013 From: tito.01beta at gmail.com (Tito Latini) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:26:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] you should not use glibc 2.17, at least without a patch for libm Message-ID: <20131213102637.GA1829@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it> Hello, I want to highlight this bug, even if many probably know it, because it is absolutely to avoid in a sound machine. In another thread "[LAU] ardour3 on debian stable" [1]: > Unpacking ardour3 (from ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ardour3: > [...] > ardour3 depends on libc6 (>= 2.17); however: Some libraries employed by ardour (for example rubberband, vamp-sdk and qm-dsp) use sin|cos|exp from `libm'. There is a degradation of the performance (3:1 in my code for sound synthesis) caused by a bug in glibc 2.17 (more info here [2]). Some distros are updated (for example fedora [3]) but in some cases, one is the last slackware 14.1, it is necessary to recompile the sources after the application of the patch. For debian users: I don't see the patch in 2.17-97 [4]. Tito Latini [1] http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2013-December/095293.html [2] http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2013-06/msg00118.html [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977887 [4] http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/eglibc/eglibc_2.17-97_changelog From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 20:19:47 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:19:47 -0800 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <80ADFA8C-D32E-4762-B367-A98E1622FF0A@gmail.com> The latest round of updates for KxStudio had A3 repackaged by the KxS crew I assume. It has been dead for sometime until now! I know las does not like distro's packaging incomplete or possible buggy software but I am a VERY happy camper that it is functional again in my distro of choice!! I've been a user of Ardour and In later times, Mixbus for years. It is nice when shit just works! I have enuf trouble staying focused on audio work as it is without having to burn hours on troubleshooting. I'm not certain what versions Kx is using by way of these libs. I know the last 3 Debian versions would run under sudo but not as user on my system. (64 bit with echo audiofire 12). Just sayin! While I'm at it, cudo's to Paul (&team). I guess I been using Ardour for damn near 13 yrs now! It has come such a long way! A3 is looking better and better! ~ Russell On Dec 12, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Atte wrote: > Hi > > I'm runing crunchbang linux, which essentially is debian stable. I'm having trouble getting ardour3 working, tried both the source tarball, checking out from git and the paid-for download from ardour.org. Let's take the later: > > atte at skagen:~/software/ardour3$ sudo dpkg -i ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb > [sudo] password for atte: > Selecting previously unselected package ardour3. > (Reading database ... 208603 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking ardour3 (from ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ardour3: > ardour3 depends on libc6 (>= 2.17); however: > Version of libc6:i386 on system is 2.13-38. > ardour3 depends on libfftw3-double3; however: > Package libfftw3-double3 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libfftw3-single3; however: > Package libfftw3-single3 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libflac8 (>= 1.3.0); however: > Version of libflac8:i386 on system is 1.2.1-6. > ardour3 depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11); however: > Version of libfontconfig1:i386 on system is 2.9.0-7.1. > ardour3 depends on libglibmm-2.4-1c2a (>= 2.36.2); however: > Version of libglibmm-2.4-1c2a:i386 on system is 2.32.1-1. > ardour3 depends on libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > Package libpango-1.0-0 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > Package libpangocairo-1.0-0 is not installed. > ardour3 depends on libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > Package libpangoft2-1.0-0 is not installed. > > dpkg: error processing ardour3 (--install): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Processing triggers for man-db ... > Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... > Processing triggers for shared-mime-info ... > Processing triggers for menu ... > Errors were encountered while processing: > ardour3 > > Hmmm. So ardour3 is dependent libs with higher version numbers than my system provides. Needless to say, I don't want to break my system doing this, so in stead of just poking around, I'd rather ask here: > > What are the steps needed to safely install the dependencies for ardour3 on a debian stable system? > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From falktx at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 20:29:49 2013 From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:29:49 +0000 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <80ADFA8C-D32E-4762-B367-A98E1622FF0A@gmail.com> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> <80ADFA8C-D32E-4762-B367-A98E1622FF0A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52AB6E3D.7060702@gmail.com> btw, ardour3 package in kxstudio now uses the "official" builds, so no one can complain anymore about old or bad libraries. the debug stuff is stripped in "ardour3-dbg" package, to help reduce the final binary size. those that want to debug ardour3 should install that. From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 21:16:59 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:16:59 -0800 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AB6E3D.7060702@gmail.com> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> <80ADFA8C-D32E-4762-B367-A98E1622FF0A@gmail.com> <52AB6E3D.7060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: ... and since you are here, also big cudos to you and your team!! For me, KxS just rocks!!! There are lots of great distro's for audio to choose from these days (anyone remember 15 yrs ago??) but Kx has had a home on my ' semi pro' rig for the better part of 8 mths now. I have NEVER had to apologize to a paying client for OS related stuff or Ardour / Mixbus for that matter! I have quietly, but positively been able to influence some higher rung players and engineers (hard core freakin Pro Ghouls users ) to the aforementioned! Last producer i brought in (w/ his Osx Pro tools proprietary rig) to record an album seemed to have to restart his system a lot more times than i do!! And I tell 'em I got some of the best support staff around!! :) Sorry for derailing the thread ( coz I sure hate that!!! ) but I just had to do it while the related chiefs are watching!! Great work!! As soon as I have some funds (lol!!!) ill be sure to add to the appropriate coffers again. ~ Russell On Dec 13, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Filipe Coelho wrote: > btw, ardour3 package in kxstudio now uses the "official" builds, so no one can complain anymore about old or bad libraries. > the debug stuff is stripped in "ardour3-dbg" package, to help reduce the final binary size. > those that want to debug ardour3 should install that. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From ken at restivo.org Sat Dec 14 06:44:44 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:44:44 -0800 Subject: [LAU] ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <20131214064444.GA6686@tf101> I've had good luck running nix on stable. When I need latest bleeding edge stuff, I can pull it in through nix without disturbing my nice stodgy stable system. nix is basically an overlay distro that uses immutability and hashes, like git, clojure, and couchbase. -ken -- -------------- On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 09:53:05AM +0100, Milan Lazecky wrote: > Hi, > thank you for information - I was hoping crunchbang was from unstable... I > have it on my netbook few days and working well. > But anyway, unstable debian should be well prepared system and if you don't > have "old iron" (as me) and want to do good stuff, using ardour3 etc, I > would really recommend you to upgrade into unstable. Living on the edge is > the only way to see further, I would say. > > Milan > > > 2013/12/12 Atte > > > Hi > > > > I'm runing crunchbang linux, which essentially is debian stable. I'm > > having trouble getting ardour3 working, tried both the source tarball, > > checking out from git and the paid-for download from ardour.org. Let's > > take the later: > > > > atte at skagen:~/software/ardour3$ sudo dpkg -i > > ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb > > [sudo] password for atte: > > Selecting previously unselected package ardour3. > > (Reading database ... 208603 files and directories currently installed.) > > Unpacking ardour3 (from ardour3_3.5.74~dfsg-1_i386.deb) ... > > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ardour3: > > ardour3 depends on libc6 (>= 2.17); however: > > Version of libc6:i386 on system is 2.13-38. > > ardour3 depends on libfftw3-double3; however: > > Package libfftw3-double3 is not installed. > > ardour3 depends on libfftw3-single3; however: > > Package libfftw3-single3 is not installed. > > ardour3 depends on libflac8 (>= 1.3.0); however: > > Version of libflac8:i386 on system is 1.2.1-6. > > ardour3 depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11); however: > > Version of libfontconfig1:i386 on system is 2.9.0-7.1. > > ardour3 depends on libglibmm-2.4-1c2a (>= 2.36.2); however: > > Version of libglibmm-2.4-1c2a:i386 on system is 2.32.1-1. > > ardour3 depends on libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > > Package libpango-1.0-0 is not installed. > > ardour3 depends on libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > > Package libpangocairo-1.0-0 is not installed. > > ardour3 depends on libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0); however: > > Package libpangoft2-1.0-0 is not installed. > > > > dpkg: error processing ardour3 (--install): > > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > > Processing triggers for man-db ... > > Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... > > Processing triggers for shared-mime-info ... > > Processing triggers for menu ... > > Errors were encountered while processing: > > ardour3 > > > > Hmmm. So ardour3 is dependent libs with higher version numbers than my > > system provides. Needless to say, I don't want to break my system doing > > this, so in stead of just poking around, I'd rather ask here: > > > > What are the steps needed to safely install the dependencies for ardour3 > > on a debian stable system? > > > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > > > -- > > Atte > > > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Dec 14 10:16:09 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (gnome at hawaii.rr.com) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:16:09 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [OT] Debian versions - Was: Re: ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AACCE6.2060000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131214101609.AOOFA.253514.root@cdptpa-web05> And I like Debian Sid via Aptosid. david gnome at hawaii.rr.com http://dancingtreefrog.com authenticity, honesty, community ---- Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 13/12/2013 09:53, Milan Lazecky wrote: > > Hi, > > thank you for information - I was hoping crunchbang was from unstable... > > I have it on my netbook few days and working well. > > But anyway, unstable debian should be well prepared system and if you > > don't have "old iron" (as me) and want to do good stuff, using ardour3 > > etc, I would really recommend you to upgrade into unstable. Living on > > the edge is the only way to see further, I would say. > > IMHO Testing is also a good compromise. But I guess it also depends on > personal taste. > > Lorenzo. > > > > > > Milan > > > > > > 2013/12/12 Atte > > > > > Hi > > > > I'm runing crunchbang linux, which essentially is debian stable. I'm > > having trouble getting ardour3 working, tried both the source > > tarball, checking out from git and the paid-for download from > > ardour.org . Let's take the later: From robin at gareus.org Sat Dec 14 12:04:39 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:04:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] Debian versions - Was: Re: ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AAD134.4070908@youmail.dk> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> <52AACCE6.2060000@gmail.com> <52AAD134.4070908@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52AC4957.3030705@gareus.org> On 12/13/2013 10:19 AM, Atte wrote: > On 12/13/2013 10:01 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> On 13/12/2013 09:53, Milan Lazecky wrote: >>> Hi, >>> thank you for information - I was hoping crunchbang was from unstable... >>> I have it on my netbook few days and working well. >>> But anyway, unstable debian should be well prepared system and if you >>> don't have "old iron" (as me) and want to do good stuff, using ardour3 >>> etc, I would really recommend you to upgrade into unstable. Living on >>> the edge is the only way to see further, I would say. >> >> IMHO Testing is also a good compromise. But I guess it also depends on >> personal taste. > > Indeed! > > I've been bitten by Sid in the past. I find that most apps from the > stable repo work just fine for me. There are a hand full of programs > that I download and install from source. > > I'm not really a rolling release kinda guy... > You may like apt-pinning. Allows you to run debian/stable but cherry-pick selected apps (and their dependencies) from testing or sid. Best used with a package manager that gives you control over package versions and allows manually picking versions e.g. aptitude. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html best, robin From atte at youmail.dk Sat Dec 14 12:38:42 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:38:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] Debian versions - Was: Re: ardour3 on debian stable In-Reply-To: <52AC4957.3030705@gareus.org> References: <52AA343A.5030202@youmail.dk> <52AACCE6.2060000@gmail.com> <52AAD134.4070908@youmail.dk> <52AC4957.3030705@gareus.org> Message-ID: <52AC5152.3090602@youmail.dk> On 12/14/2013 01:04 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > You may like apt-pinning. Been there, done that :-) Just to make it clear: I'm absolutely happy with my current crunchbang system! You guys just apt-pin, pac-man or sid away :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at youmail.dk Sat Dec 14 12:46:50 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:46:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys/Barn_Jesus_i?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_en_krybbe_l=E5?= In-Reply-To: <20131213064816.GC2845@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <52A4E542.5010400@youmail.dk> <20131213064816.GC2845@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <52AC533A.7020805@youmail.dk> On 12/13/2013 07:48 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > That's a gorgeous track! > This one's going on my Android playlist for sure. Thanks for listening and for the kind words :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From jonetsu at teksavvy.com Sat Dec 14 17:46:14 2013 From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:46:14 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation Message-ID: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Hello everyone, This is off topic but you are basicvally the only source that I know of that I know knows something about this. I would like to buy this for our son for Xmas. I am a registered Ardour user and have suggested him to use it but he can not really dual boot and use Ardour, since all of his stuff, and all of his friends and all that are on the Windows side. If he could also make music there it would be a nice creative thing that he could share with others. Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. Cheers ! From bob at andresonline.net Sat Dec 14 17:59:29 2013 From: bob at andresonline.net (Bob Andres) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:59:29 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: check out Reaper. cross platform too, Mac and Windows, also runs under wine in Linux http://www.reaper.fm/ I use it on a Mac On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > This is off topic but you are basicvally the only source that I know > of that I know knows something about this. I would like to buy this > for our son for Xmas. I am a registered Ardour user and have suggested > him to use it but he can not really dual boot and use Ardour, since > all of his stuff, and all of his friends and all that are on the Windows > side. If he could also make music there it would be a nice creative > thing that he could share with others. > > Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I > almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized > there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a > 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing > or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would > basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. > > So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations > here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is > verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. > > Cheers ! > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Dec 14 18:07:38 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:07:38 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote: > Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I > almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized > there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a > 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing > or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would > basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. > > So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations > here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is > verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. Mixbus runs on Windows now. You can't get more like Ardour than that. And it's under $300. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From louigi.verona at gmail.com Sat Dec 14 18:26:19 2013 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:26:19 +0400 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: When on Windows, I am an FL Studio user. A very modern software, very able and very fashionable among younger musicians. Highly recommend. http://www.image-line.com/documents/flstudio.html On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com > wrote: > > > Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I > > almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized > > there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a > > 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing > > or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would > > basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. > > > > So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations > > here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is > > verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. > > Mixbus runs on Windows now. You can't get more like Ardour than that. > And it's under $300. > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, > it would overturn the world." > -- Jelaleddin Rumi > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Sat Dec 14 19:59:55 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:59:55 -0800 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: <33FB49B1-0BF9-44C9-ADBF-00634D8B8009@gmail.com> If you buy a single license for Mixbus ( I got mine during a sale for $160 I think), and were to migrate to another OS, you don't have to buy additional license to run on other systems. And you have a very reputable pro sound company that have been in the biz forever backing it!! The Eq's and on board compressors make it simple to mix and produce good sounding stuff. I have zero experience running it in M$. Works great on OSx and Linux. I have a delta 1010lt too that will match up just fine. M-audio M$ drivers worked fairly well for that card. ~ Russell On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com > wrote: > >> Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I >> almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized >> there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a >> 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing >> or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would >> basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. >> >> So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations >> here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is >> verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. > > Mixbus runs on Windows now. You can't get more like Ardour than that. > And it's under $300. > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, > it would overturn the world." > -- Jelaleddin Rumi > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Dec 14 20:15:46 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:15:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: I think you really try to be certain you understand what your son's production flow might be like. There are a lot of people around at the moment (including my stepson, for example) who are very, very focused on a musical style that in turn is built around a production style that is really only well supported by Ableton Live (although the most recent versions of some other major DAWs including ProTools get close in many ways). If that is how he imagines making music (samples, beats, looping, slicing, dicing, triggering, pitch-shifting, tempo-fitting) then giving him more traditional tools (particularly Ardour or Mixbus) will probably prove rather frustrating. On the other hand, if he actually plans to record himself or others playing instruments and then edit and mix the results, then Mixbus could be a deeply satisfying option. And note: it isn't that you can't do the Live-style of production with Mixbus (or Ardour), but it definitely doesn't flow in the same way. I know the music my stepson makes, and he has mostly used garageband on his mac (despite living in the same house as me!) But he finds that pretty frustrating and really wants to get into Live as his next tool. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:46 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > This is off topic but you are basicvally the only source that I know > of that I know knows something about this. I would like to buy this > for our son for Xmas. I am a registered Ardour user and have suggested > him to use it but he can not really dual boot and use Ardour, since > all of his stuff, and all of his friends and all that are on the Windows > side. If he could also make music there it would be a nice creative > thing that he could share with others. > > Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I > almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized > there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. 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This won't be the case, of course, when Mixbus3 comes out (which is supposed to be built on the Ardour3 codebase). -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From gurusonic at gmail.com Sun Dec 15 02:12:21 2013 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 13:12:21 +1100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: <52AD1005.30406@gmail.com> On 15/12/13 04:46, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > This is off topic but you are basicvally the only source that I know > of that I know knows something about this. I would like to buy this > for our son for Xmas. I am a registered Ardour user and have suggested > him to use it but he can not really dual boot and use Ardour, since > all of his stuff, and all of his friends and all that are on the Windows > side. If he could also make music there it would be a nice creative > thing that he could share with others. > > Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I > almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized > there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a > 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing > or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would > basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. > > So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations > here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is > verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. > > Cheers ! > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > . > Here's a little secret, don't tell anyone! :) Harrison have a special deal for You Tube viewers, Mixbus for $49, just watch one of the official Mixbus videos and a popup box will take you to the offer. I just bought it and really like it. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Dec 15 02:50:23 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 13:50:23 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] SteamOS RT kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53759.86.105.95.182.1387075823.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Sun, December 15, 2013 10:09 am, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Anyone who has visited a Linux/tech news site today will no doubt be aware > of the launch of the beta version of Valve's SteamOS. I've not had chance > to try it myself yet and I won't get the chance to play with it for a few > days either but its based on a heavily patched Debian Wheezy. > For those interested you can download it here: http://repo.steampowered.com/download/ Requires 4GB RAM installation instructions: http://www.redgamingtech.com/how-to-install-steamos-on-virtual-box-virtual-machine/ > What could be of more interest to Linux audio land is that it uses a > heavily patched 3.10 RT kernel. Although Valve's tweaks won't have been > made with JACK / LA in mind, I can't help but wonder if their > modifications will be of benefit to Linux audio? > They claim to have been working on unspecified audio latency issues. It looks like they are shipping with pulseaudio support. So far, I haven't spotted any contributions from them on the known latency issues that have been identified in PA. Installing a realtime kernel will not solve the design issues that need to be addressed to enable PA to provide the same latency potential as JACK. SDL has recently gained support for JACK and should start shipping with it soon so maybe gamers will start using JACK via SDL as they seek to push their systems to the limits. > Regardless, I think SteamOS is fantastic news for Linux. This is hot on > the > heels of DOOM's 20th birthday. DOOM was of course one of the first > commercial games to have a Linux port and to later get GPL'd and it was > the > game that convinced me (and millions of others, I'm sure) to buy a PC. > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 15 03:48:47 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 04:48:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: <1387079327.752.4.camel@archlinux> Others already mentioned some all in one solutions for Windows, I could add at least one other that is much used, but I don't. You should speak with your son and/or his friends, what they prefer/use. Likely that they use all the same all in one solution to share their work. Perhaps a gift coupon is better than to buy the wrong Windows software. Regards, Ralf From mike at thepullen.net Sun Dec 15 04:18:55 2013 From: mike at thepullen.net (Mike Pullen) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:18:55 -0600 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: Might take a look at Tracktion too, if you haven't already. A bit non-traditional workspace, but quite inexpensive and very very powerful and flexible-- and cross-platform (Win, Mac, Linux) from the same license. Frankly, it's my preferred DAW... Mike On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:46 AM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > This is off topic but you are basicvally the only source that I know > of that I know knows something about this. I would like to buy this > for our son for Xmas. I am a registered Ardour user and have suggested > him to use it but he can not really dual boot and use Ardour, since > all of his stuff, and all of his friends and all that are on the Windows > side. If he could also make music there it would be a nice creative > thing that he could share with others. > > Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I > almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized > there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a > 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing > or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would > basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. > > So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations > here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is > verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. > > Cheers ! > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am a registered Ardour user and have suggested >> him to use it but he can not really dual boot and use Ardour, since >> all of his stuff, and all of his friends and all that are on the Windows >> side. If he could also make music there it would be a nice creative >> thing that he could share with others. >> >> Thing is, I know absolutely *nothing* about Windows software. I >> almost bought a Sony recording thing but backed off when I realized >> there's no support for a M-audio 1010LT card. Our son's machine has a >> 1010LT card and Windows 7. I'm certain many of you here knows a thing >> or two or three about Windows recording softwares out there that would >> basically be like Ardour. And under $300 if possible. >> >> So I would ask kindly if it's possible to give some recommendations >> here. It would be greatly appreciated ! If such a request/thread is >> verboten, simply tell me. Or send me recommendations by email. >> >> Cheers ! >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 15 09:40:49 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:40:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: <1387100449.760.6.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 13:13 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: > I looked at Tracktion, went through the registration - only to find > they offer 64bit only. Eh... ... and SEGFAULT on 64-bit Linux. http://www.energy-xt.com/ is cross-platform, but I never used it and it's not the software I was thinking off in my previous mail. Windows is Windows, I don't think the OP's son does need cross-platform software, he likely needs something to share complete arrangements with his friends, so the most important thing seems to be compatibility to the friend's software, not by importing MIDI and audio files only, but by importing the complete project, so he should use the same software as the friends do use. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 15 09:59:41 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 10:59:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: <1387101581.760.15.camel@archlinux> There's one company "responsible" for VST and ASIO ;). Since we don't want to recommend to use cracked software, I would take a look at music stores and pay for audio gear, to get software from this company legally for free, by a bundle with the audio gear. In Germany no big deal, since it's a German company. There are German Internet shops, I'm thinking of the most known, offering gear to very good price conditions, shipping to all over the world. You also could take a look at EBay and buy the software second hand. From jonetsu at teksavvy.com Sun Dec 15 20:40:09 2013 From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:40:09 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation (and VST under Linux) In-Reply-To: References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> Message-ID: <20131215154009.04ffa17b@mistral> On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:15:46 -0500, Paul Davis wrote : Thank you all for the replies - much appreciated ! > I think you really try to be certain you understand what your son's > production flow might be like. This is a very good point. I've looked at Ableton Live and although overall nice, it is not easy to find a supported sound cards list. emailing them does not work in Firefox/Linux (403 errors or unresponsive web page). I did find a thread in German (from last month) that reports latency problems with the 1010LT card (should be thrown away...), and recommends a RME. If it's a problem with the 1010LT and Windows drivers (certainly do not have latency problems with Ardour on Linux) then I might be in for learning more about Windows that I'd want to, in order to make it work (eg. provide support :) FL studio seems quite good too, but with perhaps less of that pizz that Ableton has. To bring the thread back to Linux a bit: does this Abelton Live work with using Wine ? Just out of curiosity. For that matter, are VST plugins working in Linux with Ardour (and Wine) ? Is it like 100% go ahead get some, or is it on a per-case basis ? Surely there is no support from the VST plugin makers when running them under Wine in Linux. Thanks again for all the comments ! From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 15 20:55:58 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:55:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation (and VST under Linux) In-Reply-To: <20131215154009.04ffa17b@mistral> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> <20131215154009.04ffa17b@mistral> Message-ID: <1387140958.830.85.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-15 at 15:40 -0500, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote: > To bring the thread back to Linux a bit: does this Abelton Live work > with using Wine ? http://sourceforge.net/projects/wineasio/ But I suspect that Abelton Live can't be used running on wineasio, at least not for serious work. Years ago I run Reaper on wineasio and experienced disgusting MIDI timing issues, calling it "jitter" would be understated. I wonder if software that needs a dongle could be used with wineasio. Regards, Ralf From blablack at gmail.com Sun Dec 15 20:56:50 2013 From: blablack at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_Leblond?=) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:56:50 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : Luppp release! Message-ID: Hi all, For those using Ubuntu Saucy, I just packaged Luppp: http://objectivewave.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/luppp-in-the-repo/ The package is based on the work done by AutoStatic for KXStudio. Hope this helps anyone... Aur?lien From atte at youmail.dk Sun Dec 15 21:28:11 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 22:28:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys/Kimer i klokker Message-ID: <52AE1EEB.3020602@youmail.dk> Hi Third sunday of advent. This week I did a new version (new melody and music, original lyrics) of the danish christmas carol "Kimer, I klokker". https://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/kimer-i-klokker https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4343030/kimer_i_klokker.mp3 Hope you enjoy! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Sun Dec 15 21:56:44 2013 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 01:56:44 +0400 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation (and VST under Linux) In-Reply-To: <1387140958.830.85.camel@archlinux> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> <20131215154009.04ffa17b@mistral> <1387140958.830.85.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: 16 ???. 2013 ?. 0:56 ???????????? "Ralf Mardorf" ???????: > > Years ago Exactly. Alexandre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Ralf From silvain at freeshell.de Sun Dec 15 23:51:08 2013 From: silvain at freeshell.de (F. Silvain) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 00:51:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys/Kimer i klokker In-Reply-To: <52AE1EEB.3020602@youmail.dk> References: <52AE1EEB.3020602@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <1312160049040.5240@freeshell.de> Hey hey! Thanks for sharing! It's a sweet ballad. I like the piano. Ta-ta ---- Ffanci * Internet: http://freeshell.de/~silvain From grekimj at acousticrefuge.com Mon Dec 16 01:09:36 2013 From: grekimj at acousticrefuge.com (Grekim Jennings) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:09:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation Message-ID: <52AE52D0.5000002@acousticrefuge.com> I've used a lot of Windows and Mac audio software over the past 13 years. But, I am not at all into looping and use very little midi or virtual instruments. So for real audio recording with very good built in EQ's and compressors my favorite is Sawstudio. It installs in seconds and is a solid code. There is a X-mas sale on now and the Basic version is $200. However, you would have to buy an additional bit of software to use midi at all. Reaper is also painless to install and is solid and $60. For virtual creativity (and sounds) check out Propellerhead's Reason ($400). Grekim From alf at mellomrommet.no Mon Dec 16 09:47:14 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:47:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time In-Reply-To: <5214AD46.5030909@gmx.net> References: <5214AD46.5030909@gmx.net> Message-ID: <52AECC22.8090904@mellomrommet.no> On 21. aug. 2013 14:06, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On 21.08.2013 01:03, Harry van Haaren wrote: >> Amazed by your versatility: it has a specific blend of genres that are >> unique in each section. >> I think they work very well together: impressive blending them >> together and still sounding coherent. >> Lovely pads sounds, vocals, and production. >> Congratulations! > > I can only second this :D Great work.. > > Flo Well, now that I finally came around to check out this one, I'll put my name as well under this recension. Alf From alf at mellomrommet.no Mon Dec 16 10:00:39 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:00:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A Seasonal Track. In-Reply-To: <20131031194138.0108a3c7@debian> References: <20131031194138.0108a3c7@debian> Message-ID: <52AECF47.9050104@mellomrommet.no> On 31. okt. 2013 20:41, Will Godfrey wrote: > Recently, re-composed, re-mixed, re-polished :) > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Halloween.ogg This tune reminds me a little bit of some of the stuff 70's Italian outfit Goblin put out. Good halloween feeling. Alf From alf at mellomrommet.no Mon Dec 16 10:24:33 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:24:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52AED4E1.8060408@mellomrommet.no> On 17. nov. 2013 23:10, Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all, > > this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded > recently. > The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 > > Everything was done with Linux software. > > Software I used: > > Arch Linux > Ardour 3 > Calf Lv2 effects (several) > GxZita_reverb (which I just recently discovered, and what should I say... > what a sweeet sounding reverb, new favorite) > Also played around with the new meters.lv2 bundle, I think though that I > didn't get the full idea of R128 yet. > Invada Dynamics processing > TAP > > > Everything regarding the Video work was done by my brother Michael. > He used KDEnlive to edit the video, also on an Arch machine. > > Hope you enjoy. > > Cheers, > > Moshe Nice tune, feeling more like jazz than reggae to me. Transparent mix. Would be cool with some information in English, though. Keep it coming! Alf From moshwe at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 11:53:55 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:53:55 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: <52AED4E1.8060408@mellomrommet.no> References: <52AED4E1.8060408@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: Thanks. Yes they have jazzy touches in their music. Will add discription in english. Thanks for the hint. On 16 ?Dec 2013 12:24, "Alf Haakon Lund" wrote: > > > On 17. nov. 2013 23:10, Moshe Werner wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded >> recently. >> The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 >> >> Everything was done with Linux software. >> >> Software I used: >> >> Arch Linux >> Ardour 3 >> Calf Lv2 effects (several) >> GxZita_reverb (which I just recently discovered, and what should I >> say... >> what a sweeet sounding reverb, new favorite) >> Also played around with the new meters.lv2 bundle, I think though that I >> didn't get the full idea of R128 yet. >> Invada Dynamics processing >> TAP >> >> >> Everything regarding the Video work was done by my brother Michael. >> He used KDEnlive to edit the video, also on an Arch machine. >> >> Hope you enjoy. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Moshe >> > > Nice tune, feeling more like jazz than reggae to me. Transparent mix. > Would be cool with some information in English, though. > > Keep it coming! > > Alf > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 16 12:37:43 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:37:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : Luppp release! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52AEF417.9010102@autostatic.com> On 15-12-13 21:56, Aur?lien Leblond wrote: > Hi all, > > For those using Ubuntu Saucy, I just packaged Luppp: > http://objectivewave.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/luppp-in-the-repo/ > > The package is based on the work done by AutoStatic for KXStudio. > Hope this helps anyone... > > Aur?lien > Hi Aur?lien, The packages from the KXStudio Debian repos should work for Debian up and including Squeeze and Ubuntu up and including Lucid. So the Luppp package should work on Saucy too. If it doesn't please let me know. Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been told that if I use a dedicated sound card, my output signal can boost significantly. is it true? although it sounds like it makes sense, I doubt it a little bit because I don't see any output pre-amps...etc. on the sound cards spec. (for inputs, yes. but what matters for me is the level of output) BUT if it's true, what card you recommend to me? my conditions are: 1. of course, my purpose is to boost my output signal, it has to satisfy that first of all. 2. my budget is around 100-150 euro, but if needed, I can go a big higher. 3. I'm on Ubuntu 13.10, on lenovo ideapad Y500. I'm not the kind of guy who can trouble shoot very well, hacking firmwares or whatever. so plug and play, 'work out of box' kinda card will be great. 4. I do not have firewire port on my laptop, so it must be USB. 5. I don't know if it's true or not, but I've been told also that some cards output more 'warmer' sounds. I want to prevent that. I want my output LOUD but NOT warm. so far, I found this: http://www.thomann.de/pl/akai_eie_pro.htm it looks like it will boost some signal. well, it 'looks' like. some of you guys have this one? some reviews maybe? also I've been told that the use of little table top compressor can help, like this one: http://www.thomann.de/pl/fmr_audio_rnc_1773.htm if it's the case, maybe I won't need a soundcard. or do I need both? or do you know some usb sound card that can combine the both?? thank you for all your thoughts and advices. best, jae -- Jae Ho YOUN http://jaehoyoun.com http://advancedsituation.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clemens at ladisch.de Mon Dec 16 16:56:38 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:56:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52AF30C6.3010208@ladisch.de> Dj?ho Youn wrote: > Last time I had a gig in a club where the sound system was really huge, and I noticed that my signal wasn't loud enough. > > I was using just headphone jack out from my laptop I guess such a sound system does not behave like a pair of headphones. Apparently, your laptop does not have a line output jack? > I've been told that if I use a dedicated sound card, my output signal can boost significantly. You need _some_ device with a line-level output, either a line out jack on your laptop, or an external device. > although it sounds like it makes sense, I doubt it a little bit because I don't see any output pre-amps...etc. on the sound cards spec. Amplifiers are needed if the output is supposed to _drive_ the actual speakers, i.e., if the signal is supposed to have enough energy to move the speaker membrane. (This is quite easy with the tiny speakers used in headphones.) A line output does not have much power; its only purpose is to provide a voltage level that is then measured and applied to the speaker outputs of a 'real' amplifier. (Neither your laptop nor a USB device would be capable of providing thousands of watts for that really huge sound system.) The problem with the headphone jack is that it does not provide the correct voltage level when it is connected to a line input. > what card you recommend to me? Any simple USB stereo playback device with line outputs. > http://www.thomann.de/pl/akai_eie_pro.htm That is overkill. In theory, something cheap like this is adequate: http://www.thomann.de/pl/behringer_ucontrol_uca_222.htm Regards, Clemens From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Dec 16 16:59:41 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:59:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1387213181.866.71.camel@archlinux> Hi, a raw, not absolute explanation: You can get cheap envy24 sound devices at Ebay, they provide +4dB and -10dB for the IOs. +4dB is used for professional audio and -10dB is consumer level. The phones output of your Laptop should work too, I suspect the audio engineers didn't like you or they had no knowledge how to fix the issue. Anyway, the sound quality of an Envy24 audio device will be much better than that of you Laptop's onboard device, epecially better than the output of the headphones amp. There are professional audio devices available, that do sound much, much, much better, but they are beyond your price limit. You could try to get an Art Tube Pre Amp, at Ebay too, this is prosumer, but also used by professionals. They are cheap and good. Regards, Ralf From alf at mellomrommet.no Mon Dec 16 17:12:54 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:12:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52AF3496.9010704@mellomrommet.no> On 17. nov. 2013 21:13, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Dear LAU, > > I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. > > On soundcloud: > https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/machine-landscape > > Direct download of the FLAC file is also available from that soundcloud > page > > OGG file: > http://lorenzosu.net/music_sound/machine_landscape/machine_landscape.ogg > > > Machine Landscape presents a sonic experience inspired by 'the machine', > predominant and unavoidable element of our contemporary life. > > The piece was entirely composed with Linux. > > and was performed at EmuFest 2013 electronic music festival in Rome in > October. For the festival the piece was performed on a 24-speaker 'dome' > system and spatialised live. > > For what concerns software Ardour3 and Pure Data had a predominant role. > > Lorenzo. This one sounds like the title, Machine Landscape, and it feels like its description, a sonic experience. Would be the perfect companion to any travelling or landscape sequence in a science fiction movie, but a little less, um, accessible, as standalone music. I like! Alf From fons at linuxaudio.org Mon Dec 16 17:13:26 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:13:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 05:21:30PM +0100, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > I was using just headphone jack out from my laptop, and it hasn't been a > problem...I did plenty of gigs like that and it worked out pretty well. but > with this huge system, my max output didn't even hit the half of level > meter on the main mixer....as I'm obsessed with being loud, I was ashamed > and I need a solution. Increase the gain on the main mixer. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Dec 16 17:29:02 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:29:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 17:13 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 05:21:30PM +0100, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > > > I was using just headphone jack out from my laptop, and it hasn't been a > > problem...I did plenty of gigs like that and it worked out pretty well. but > > with this huge system, my max output didn't even hit the half of level > > meter on the main mixer....as I'm obsessed with being loud, I was ashamed > > and I need a solution. > > Increase the gain on the main mixer. IOW the input potentiometers of the mixing console, usually the first potentiometer on top of a mixing console's channel is for adjusting the input signal. This adjustments are independent to the channel's and sum's faders. From ydjeho at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 17:48:32 2013 From: ydjeho at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dj=E9ho_Youn?=) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:48:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: hello, thanks for all the answers. for those who gave advice with main mixer, 'sorry I wasn't that clear. but mixer's input gain was max. and it was only half on the meter. then boosting mixer's channel/master only made my sound horribly distorted. it seems that getting soundcard is a good option as I understand that clemen's explanation on headphone jack out problem. (btw, I never, ever saw a lap top computer with line out. does it really exist or you mean a desktop pc with some tweaks?) this looks quite nice...as it's preamp AND soundcard...if soundcard doesn't make my signal louder, then I can use it as preamp..if I got it right. http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm does anyone used this with ubuntu 13.10 on modern laptops? a quick web search shows that it *can* work but have no drivers. 'seems that some people has troubles with it. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 17:13 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 05:21:30PM +0100, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > > > > > I was using just headphone jack out from my laptop, and it hasn't been > a > > > problem...I did plenty of gigs like that and it worked out pretty > well. but > > > with this huge system, my max output didn't even hit the half of level > > > meter on the main mixer....as I'm obsessed with being loud, I was > ashamed > > > and I need a solution. > > > > Increase the gain on the main mixer. > > IOW the input potentiometers of the mixing console, usually the first > potentiometer on top of a mixing console's channel is for adjusting the > input signal. This adjustments are independent to the channel's and > sum's faders. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Jae Ho YOUN http://jhyoun.wordpress.com/ http://jaehoyoun.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jh at brainiac.com Mon Dec 16 18:10:31 2013 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:10:31 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:48:32 +0100 Dj?ho Youn wrote: > for those who gave advice with main mixer, 'sorry I wasn't that clear. but > mixer's input gain was max. and it was only half on the meter. then > boosting mixer's channel/master only made my sound horribly distorted. Headphoune out is a different impedance than line out, it's really easy to overload a line input. I'm a little suspicious of the level into the main mixer though; you should have had more than enough signal for the board. I suspect there was some user error at the mixer. > this looks quite nice...as it's preamp AND soundcard...if soundcard doesn't > make my signal louder, then I can use it as preamp..if I got it right. > http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm > > does anyone used this with ubuntu 13.10 on modern laptops? I use an ART DualPre (not the tube model) with ArchLinux regularly with no issues at all. It worked fine when I used Fedora as well but I switched to Arch a while back and havent tested it in a while. There shouldn't be any driver issues, it follows the USB audio interface spec pretty well. The ART will give a much better signal, and the line outs use balanced 1/4" TRS connectors so you can get a quieter signal if you use the appropriate patch cables. Good luck! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Dec 16 18:16:31 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:16:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1387217791.866.102.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 13:10 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > I suspect there was some user error at the mixer. There was! The settings for the input, the trim/gain of the channel pre-fader was not adjusted correctly. Regarding to the pre amps, I was thinking of getting warmer sound, less about the level. From althompson58 at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 18:18:07 2013 From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:18:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card Message-ID: <3osema0u73aoog4xg1o3ua6y.1387217887225@email.android.com> I suspect that someone switched on the pad on the DI, or on the mixer itself. Joe Hartley wrote: >On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:48:32 +0100 >Dj?ho Youn wrote: >> for those who gave advice with main mixer, 'sorry I wasn't that clear. but >> mixer's input gain was max. and it was only half on the meter. then >> boosting mixer's channel/master only made my sound horribly distorted. > >Headphoune out is a different impedance than line out, it's really easy >to overload a line input. I'm a little suspicious of the level into the >main mixer though; you should have had more than enough signal for the board. >I suspect there was some user error at the mixer. > >> this looks quite nice...as it's preamp AND soundcard...if soundcard doesn't >> make my signal louder, then I can use it as preamp..if I got it right. >> http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm >> >> does anyone used this with ubuntu 13.10 on modern laptops? > >I use an ART DualPre (not the tube model) with ArchLinux regularly with >no issues at all. It worked fine when I used Fedora as well but I >switched to Arch a while back and havent tested it in a while. There >shouldn't be any driver issues, it follows the USB audio interface spec >pretty well. > >The ART will give a much better signal, and the line outs use balanced 1/4" >TRS connectors so you can get a quieter signal if you use the appropriate >patch cables. > >Good luck! > >-- >====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa >_______________________________________________ >Linux-audio-user mailing list >Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From jh at brainiac.com Mon Dec 16 18:42:03 2013 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:42:03 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <1387217791.866.102.camel@archlinux> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> <1387217791.866.102.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131216134203.4b071a5b03b399ca8dd0ef8b@brainiac.com> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:16:31 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Regarding to the pre amps, I was thinking of getting warmer sound, less > about the level. I've recently built a few headphone amps that fit in Altoid tins. It's barely about boosting the output level (though it will do that) and more about making the source device's output work less hard and possibly distort. The URL below goes to a page that compares many different op-amp chips and discusses (among other things) the wau they affect the sound. I ended up using the TI OPA2132P (a dual version of the Burr-Brown OPA132) and I quite like the way it sounds. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Dec 16 18:42:13 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:42:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <3osema0u73aoog4xg1o3ua6y.1387217887225@email.android.com> References: <3osema0u73aoog4xg1o3ua6y.1387217887225@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1387219333.866.107.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 13:18 -0500, Al Thompson wrote: > I suspect that someone switched on the pad on the DI, or on the mixer > itself. > > > > Joe Hartley wrote: > > >On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:48:32 +0100 > >Dj?ho Youn wrote: > >> for those who gave advice with main mixer, 'sorry I wasn't that > clear. but > >> mixer's input gain was max. The question is, if the OP means "input gain" or if the OP does confuse it with the fader. It doesn't matter what was the culprit, a potentiometer, a pad switch, it simply would work with correct settings, when using a phones output. The culprit wasn't the phones output, resp. it's very unlikely that it's caused by the phones output. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Dec 16 18:45:13 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:45:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <20131216134203.4b071a5b03b399ca8dd0ef8b@brainiac.com> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> <1387217791.866.102.camel@archlinux> <20131216134203.4b071a5b03b399ca8dd0ef8b@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1387219513.866.108.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 13:42 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:16:31 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Regarding to the pre amps, I was thinking of getting warmer sound, less > > about the level. > > I've recently built a few headphone amps that fit in Altoid tins. > It's barely about boosting the output level (though it will do that) > and more about making the source device's output work less hard and > possibly distort. > > The URL below goes to a page that compares many different op-amp chips > and discusses (among other things) the wau they affect the sound. I > ended up using the TI OPA2132P (a dual version of the Burr-Brown OPA132) > and I quite like the way it sounds. You forgot to post the URL :D. From jh at brainiac.com Mon Dec 16 18:47:13 2013 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:47:13 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <1387219513.866.108.camel@archlinux> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> <1387217791.866.102.camel@archlinux> <20131216134203.4b071a5b03b399ca8dd0ef8b@brainiac.com> <1387219513.866.108.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131216134713.27f7880be7ada50fcc3a0687@brainiac.com> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:45:13 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 13:42 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:16:31 +0100 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > Regarding to the pre amps, I was thinking of getting warmer sound, less > > > about the level. > > > > I've recently built a few headphone amps that fit in Altoid tins. > > It's barely about boosting the output level (though it will do that) > > and more about making the source device's output work less hard and > > possibly distort. > > > > The URL below goes to a page that compares many different op-amp chips > > and discusses (among other things) the wau they affect the sound. I > > ended up using the TI OPA2132P (a dual version of the Burr-Brown OPA132) > > and I quite like the way it sounds. > > You forgot to post the URL :D. I do that a lot. http://tangentsoft.net/audio/opamps.html -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 16 20:31:45 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:31:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : Luppp release! In-Reply-To: <52AEF417.9010102@autostatic.com> References: <52AEF417.9010102@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <52AF6331.6070003@autostatic.com> On 12/16/2013 01:37 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 15-12-13 21:56, Aur?lien Leblond wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> For those using Ubuntu Saucy, I just packaged Luppp: >> http://objectivewave.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/luppp-in-the-repo/ >> >> The package is based on the work done by AutoStatic for KXStudio. >> Hope this helps anyone... >> >> Aur?lien >> > > Hi Aur?lien, > > The packages from the KXStudio Debian repos should work for Debian up > and including Squeeze Oops, that should read "up and including Wheezy". and Ubuntu up and including Lucid. So the Luppp > package should work on Saucy too. If it doesn't please let me know. > > Best, > > Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If the signal was undistorted at the lower level, and boosting it in the mixer causes distortion, then either the mixer or the amps are generating that distortion. Or it could be that you were sending some signal that the mixer or amps couldn't handle, e.g. very high level subsonic signals. But these should have shown up on the mixer's meters, so that was probably not the problem. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From fons at linuxaudio.org Mon Dec 16 21:06:23 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:06:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20131216210623.GB640@linuxaudio.org> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:10:31PM -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > Headphoune out is a different impedance than line out, it's really easy > to overload a line input. I'm a little suspicious of the level into the > main mixer though; you should have had more than enough signal for the board. Headphone outs are very low impedance, which is perfectly OK for a line input (pro line outs are low Z as well). Most HP outs today are designed for 32 ohm earbuds and should be able to provide sufficient signal to a mixer line in, at least if the mixer has an input gain control on the line input, as most have. But an HP out won't provide a real 'pro' line level. And beware of the specs of some sound cards. They claim 'pro' level line outs at +4 dBu. But more often than not, that means their peak level is +4 dBu, while in the pro world that is the _working level_, with peaks being 12..15 dB higher. > I suspect there was some user error at the mixer. Yep. Or the system just wasn't as powerful as the OP believed it was. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 21:21:17 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:21:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <52AF3496.9010704@mellomrommet.no> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> <52AF3496.9010704@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: <52AF6ECD.1050903@gmail.com> Hi Alf, On 16/12/13 18:12, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > > > On 17. nov. 2013 21:13, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> Dear LAU, >> >> I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. >> >> On soundcloud: >> https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/machine-landscape >> >> Direct download of the FLAC file is also available from that soundcloud >> page >> >> OGG file: >> http://lorenzosu.net/music_sound/machine_landscape/machine_landscape.ogg >> > > This one sounds like the title, Machine Landscape, and it feels like its > description, a sonic experience. Would be the perfect companion to any > travelling or landscape sequence in a science fiction movie, but a > little less, um, accessible, as standalone music. I like! Thanks for comments. Indeed others have suggested some visuals to accompany it.. It is creative commons (hint hint) Sure it's not your average tonal chill-out 'music' :-) - I guess it's part of the idea. Happy to know you enjoyed. Lorenzo. From fons at linuxaudio.org Mon Dec 16 21:25:55 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:25:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131216212555.GC640@linuxaudio.org> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 06:48:32PM +0100, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm This won't solve the problem you reported. And with the info at hand I don't think that problem was due to your equipment at all. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Dec 16 21:55:45 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:55:45 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <20131216210623.GB640@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> <20131216210623.GB640@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <201312161655.45469.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday 16 December 2013 16:44:26 Fons Adriaensen did opine: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:10:31PM -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > > Headphoune out is a different impedance than line out, it's really > > easy to overload a line input. I'm a little suspicious of the level > > into the main mixer though; you should have had more than enough > > signal for the board. > > Headphone outs are very low impedance, which is perfectly OK for a > line input (pro line outs are low Z as well). Most HP outs today are > designed for 32 ohm earbuds and should be able to provide sufficient > signal to a mixer line in, at least if the mixer has an input gain > control on the line input, as most have. > > But an HP out won't provide a real 'pro' line level. And beware of > the specs of some sound cards. They claim 'pro' level line outs at > +4 dBu. But more often than not, that means their peak level is +4 > dBu, while in the pro world that is the _working level_, with peaks > being 12..15 dB higher. But the average sound card, running on the system 5 volt bus is all tapped out at +4, clipping anything that goes above that. Some may tap the system + and - 12 volt for the output stage, so those will, if everything is right, still clip at +20 or so which in some music can be hit even if the meter only says +4. To hit + 30dbm takes about 16 to 17 volts on each supply rail. No computer offers that much at its pci sockets. And some, in an effort to be as power miserly as they can be, will have significant, see it on the o-scope, cross-over distortion at any level. Driving the average earbud, they can get away with murdering the music & few can hear the diff. Sad but true too many times. > > I suspect there was some user error at the mixer. > > Yep. Or the system just wasn't as powerful as the OP believed it was. > > Ciao, Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page Horner's Five Thumb Postulate: Experience varies directly with equipment ruined. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From fons at linuxaudio.org Mon Dec 16 23:11:44 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:11:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <201312161655.45469.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <20131216131031.ad0f93d9bda6de92fa94abab@brainiac.com> <20131216210623.GB640@linuxaudio.org> <201312161655.45469.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <20131216231144.GD640@linuxaudio.org> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 04:55:45PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > But the average sound card, running on the system 5 volt bus is all tapped > out at +4, clipping anything that goes above that. Indeed. +4 dBu is nearly 3.5 V pp, you can't expect much more from a single 5 V power supply. A decent 'pro' line out will be able to drive something like +20 dBV (10 V RMS) into 200 ohms. That's 1/2 W. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From gurusonic at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 23:16:25 2013 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:16:25 +1100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <20131216212555.GC640@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131216212555.GC640@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <52AF89C9.9030806@gmail.com> On 17/12/13 08:25, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 06:48:32PM +0100, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > >> http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm > This won't solve the problem you reported. And with the info > at hand I don't think that problem was due to your equipment > at all. > > Ciao, > Totally agree. I work regularly on a 20,000 watt PA system with Digico consoles. We often have artists using Macs from headphone out, or those little digital music player thingies from headphone outs, which are more than capable of driving the system to maximum volume. Your computer was almost definitely not the problem unless you had the output level set /really/ low. Somewhere the gain stages were set wrong. From fons at linuxaudio.org Mon Dec 16 23:27:15 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:27:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <52AF89C9.9030806@gmail.com> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131216212555.GC640@linuxaudio.org> <52AF89C9.9030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131216232715.GF640@linuxaudio.org> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:16:25AM +1100, Roger wrote: > Totally agree. I work regularly on a 20,000 watt PA system with > Digico consoles. :-) Great mixers. A bit too baroque visually (for my taste), but technically superb. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From djdualcore at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 23:43:04 2013 From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:43:04 -0600 Subject: [LAU] [OT] SW recommendation In-Reply-To: <1387101581.760.15.camel@archlinux> References: <20131214124614.6686b747@mistral> <1387101581.760.15.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: I don't like to recommend closed software but one of the advantages of Ableton Live is that over the years it has grown into a full featured DAW. It's famous looping and time stretching features aren't its only tricks. If had to work on Windows I would use Live because of its range of capabilities. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There was never a conception of Live as "just" a looping/stretching/triggering tool. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From len at ovenwerks.net Tue Dec 17 01:42:01 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:42:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > thanks for all the answers. Just in case... are you talking on stage volume or mains volume? > for those who gave advice with main mixer, 'sorry I wasn't that clear. but > mixer's input gain was max. and it was only half on the meter. then boosting > mixer's channel/master only made my sound horribly distorted. When it is distorted, what does it sound like with headphones? You need to know where the distortion is actually happening... are you turning your computer to max and distorting in there? Are you using a DI box into the mic input? (try it) Or going into a line in... A DI box is more in line with the inputs of a cheaper mixer. Or an "instrument" input may work better than line in. > this looks quite nice...as it's preamp AND soundcard...if soundcard doesn't > make my signal louder, then I can use it as preamp..if I got it right. > http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm > > does anyone used this with ubuntu 13.10 on modern laptops? a quick web > search shows that it *can* work but have no drivers. 'seems that some people > has troubles with it. I have one and like it. It has been plug and play as it is USB1.1 compatible. It is 16bit at 44.1 or 48k or the s/pdif is 24bit (I use it as a pre for the s/pdif in my Delta sound card too. It has it's own power supply so the 5volt USB supply is not an issue. I like the sound better than any of the builtin audio cards. It works fine with both pulse and jack. (and ALSA too if it works with the others) I have used it since ubuntu 12.04. The 3.8 kernels had problems with all USB cards. The one thing I found was I needed to turn off the internal card in pulse and also the wifi. The wifi gave me problems with all sound as it grabs too much time once a minute when turned on and once every 5 seconds turned off until rebooted with wifi turned off or unloading the wifi kernel module. Then I could get jack to run with -p64 on my netbook. (I also turn cron off BTW so that SW update stuff never tries to happen) As with all usb cards... it has to have it's own USB port, not shared internally or externally by a hub. I have to use only my right side USB plug and put anything else in the left side. USB mice are pretty bad at generating interupts. I use the rtirq script (lowlatency kernel) and set /etc/default/rtirq line with RTIRQ_NAME_LIST like: RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb3 rtc snd usb i8042" Where my usb3 is the usb port on it's own irq (my right side plug). This drops all the other usb ports to lower priority. Of course the next question is... do you also use a USB midi card? -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From ico at vt.edu Tue Dec 17 04:13:18 2013 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:13:18 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations Message-ID: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> All, Some preliminary research reveals several FOSS implementations of WFS (wave field synthesis). What is not entirely clear is how these implementations stack up to something like Sonic Emotion. I presume they will be subpar but the question is by how much and in what ways? Ok, now another question. Is anyone aware of a 3D FOSS WFS implementation (multiple horizontal rows) and how hard would it be to use? Best wishes, -- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Head, ICAT IMPACT Studio Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) disis.music.vt.edu l2ork.music.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net From ydjeho at gmail.com Tue Dec 17 08:56:49 2013 From: ydjeho at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dj=E9ho_Youn?=) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:56:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. ok, if it's not the problem of my headphone out but the settings of the club, then it's all fine. there were two mixers. Main console and small Yamaha in between. so it's possible something went wrong...although it's still a mystery for me that my signal didn't hit the peak on this yamaha mixer, with the max input gain set. maybe the mixer was broken? thanks for the info on art dual tube card. it seems like a good choice if I buy one anyway. @Len, one more question about this card, is it possible to have two stereo outs while using a one microphone in? now I'm not sure that I'll buy it for solve the output level problem, but I probably want to integrate a microphone to use my voice to modulate some signals. and in that case, it must work the mono mic input and stereo outs simultaneously. one more thing is that I was using my old thinkpad on my live set I've mentioned, and now I have brand new ideapad. and I've noticed that ideapad headphone out is much softer than thinkpad, when I use headphone to watch movies...etc. so, it is not totally ignorable the output of each laptops. maybe I just go ahead and buy this art card, in worst case it's not helping, I can maybe use it as preamp. as it has inserts that can be used as preamp direct output...as far as what I've understood on their signal diagram. finally, nobody mentioned on mini-desktop compressor solution that I've suggested.. http://www.thomann.de/pl/fmr_audio_rnc_1773.htm somebody has things like that on their sets? do you think it can help? On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > > thanks for all the answers. >> > > Just in case... are you talking on stage volume or mains volume? > > > for those who gave advice with main mixer, 'sorry I wasn't that clear. but >> mixer's input gain was max. and it was only half on the meter. then >> boosting >> mixer's channel/master only made my sound horribly distorted. >> > > When it is distorted, what does it sound like with headphones? You need to > know where the distortion is actually happening... are you turning your > computer to max and distorting in there? Are you using a DI box into the > mic input? (try it) Or going into a line in... A DI box is more in line > with the inputs of a cheaper mixer. Or an "instrument" input may work > better than line in. > > > this looks quite nice...as it's preamp AND soundcard...if soundcard >> doesn't >> make my signal louder, then I can use it as preamp..if I got it right. >> http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm >> >> does anyone used this with ubuntu 13.10 on modern laptops? a quick web >> search shows that it *can* work but have no drivers. 'seems that some >> people >> has troubles with it. >> > > I have one and like it. It has been plug and play as it is USB1.1 > compatible. It is 16bit at 44.1 or 48k or the s/pdif is 24bit (I use it as > a pre for the s/pdif in my Delta sound card too. It has it's own power > supply so the 5volt USB supply is not an issue. I like the sound better > than any of the builtin audio cards. It works fine with both pulse and > jack. (and ALSA too if it works with the others) I have used it since > ubuntu 12.04. The 3.8 kernels had problems with all USB cards. The one > thing I found was I needed to turn off the internal card in pulse and also > the wifi. The wifi gave me problems with all sound as it grabs too much > time once a minute when turned on and once every 5 seconds turned off until > rebooted with wifi turned off or unloading the wifi kernel module. Then I > could get jack to run with -p64 on my netbook. (I also turn cron off BTW so > that SW update stuff never tries to happen) As with all usb cards... it has > to have it's own USB port, not shared internally or externally by a hub. I > have to use only my right side USB plug and put anything else in the left > side. USB mice are pretty bad at generating interupts. I use the rtirq > script (lowlatency kernel) and set /etc/default/rtirq line with > RTIRQ_NAME_LIST like: > > RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb3 rtc snd usb i8042" > > Where my usb3 is the usb port on it's own irq (my right side plug). This > drops all the other usb ports to lower priority. > > Of course the next question is... do you also use a USB midi card? > > -- > Len Ovens > www.ovenwerks.net -- Jae Ho YOUN http://jhyoun.wordpress.com/ http://jaehoyoun.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ydjeho at gmail.com Tue Dec 17 08:59:43 2013 From: ydjeho at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dj=E9ho_Youn?=) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:59:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: oh, btw, @lens I don't use usb midi card, but I use one usb HID device (a joystick) and two usb midi controller. so all my 3 usb ins on my laptop will be occupied in a way or another. but I don't think it can be problem as joystick and controllers don't need to be high priority? On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > Thanks for the replies. > > ok, if it's not the problem of my headphone out but the settings of the > club, then it's all fine. > there were two mixers. Main console and small Yamaha in between. so it's > possible something went wrong...although it's still a mystery for me that > my signal didn't hit the peak on this yamaha mixer, with the max input gain > set. > maybe the mixer was broken? > > thanks for the info on art dual tube card. it seems like a good choice if > I buy one anyway. > @Len, > one more question about this card, is it possible to have two stereo outs > while using a one microphone in? > now I'm not sure that I'll buy it for solve the output level problem, but > I probably want to integrate a microphone to use my voice to modulate some > signals. > and in that case, it must work the mono mic input and stereo outs > simultaneously. > > one more thing is that I was using my old thinkpad on my live set I've > mentioned, and now I have brand new ideapad. > and I've noticed that ideapad headphone out is much softer than thinkpad, > when I use headphone to watch movies...etc. > so, it is not totally ignorable the output of each laptops. maybe I just > go ahead and buy this art card, in worst case it's not helping, > I can maybe use it as preamp. as it has inserts that can be used as preamp > direct output...as far as what I've understood on their signal diagram. > > finally, nobody mentioned on mini-desktop compressor solution that I've > suggested.. > http://www.thomann.de/pl/fmr_audio_rnc_1773.htm > > somebody has things like that on their sets? do you think it can help? > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Dj?ho Youn wrote: >> >> thanks for all the answers. >>> >> >> Just in case... are you talking on stage volume or mains volume? >> >> >> for those who gave advice with main mixer, 'sorry I wasn't that clear. >>> but >>> mixer's input gain was max. and it was only half on the meter. then >>> boosting >>> mixer's channel/master only made my sound horribly distorted. >>> >> >> When it is distorted, what does it sound like with headphones? You need >> to know where the distortion is actually happening... are you turning your >> computer to max and distorting in there? Are you using a DI box into the >> mic input? (try it) Or going into a line in... A DI box is more in line >> with the inputs of a cheaper mixer. Or an "instrument" input may work >> better than line in. >> >> >> this looks quite nice...as it's preamp AND soundcard...if soundcard >>> doesn't >>> make my signal louder, then I can use it as preamp..if I got it right. >>> http://www.thomann.de/pl/art_usb_dual_tube_pre.htm >>> >>> does anyone used this with ubuntu 13.10 on modern laptops? a quick web >>> search shows that it *can* work but have no drivers. 'seems that some >>> people >>> has troubles with it. >>> >> >> I have one and like it. It has been plug and play as it is USB1.1 >> compatible. It is 16bit at 44.1 or 48k or the s/pdif is 24bit (I use it as >> a pre for the s/pdif in my Delta sound card too. It has it's own power >> supply so the 5volt USB supply is not an issue. I like the sound better >> than any of the builtin audio cards. It works fine with both pulse and >> jack. (and ALSA too if it works with the others) I have used it since >> ubuntu 12.04. The 3.8 kernels had problems with all USB cards. The one >> thing I found was I needed to turn off the internal card in pulse and also >> the wifi. The wifi gave me problems with all sound as it grabs too much >> time once a minute when turned on and once every 5 seconds turned off until >> rebooted with wifi turned off or unloading the wifi kernel module. Then I >> could get jack to run with -p64 on my netbook. (I also turn cron off BTW so >> that SW update stuff never tries to happen) As with all usb cards... it has >> to have it's own USB port, not shared internally or externally by a hub. I >> have to use only my right side USB plug and put anything else in the left >> side. USB mice are pretty bad at generating interupts. I use the rtirq >> script (lowlatency kernel) and set /etc/default/rtirq line with >> RTIRQ_NAME_LIST like: >> >> RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb3 rtc snd usb i8042" >> >> Where my usb3 is the usb port on it's own irq (my right side plug). This >> drops all the other usb ports to lower priority. >> >> Of course the next question is... do you also use a USB midi card? >> >> -- >> Len Ovens >> www.ovenwerks.net > > > > > -- > Jae Ho YOUN > > http://jhyoun.wordpress.com/ > http://jaehoyoun.com > > -- Jae Ho YOUN http://jhyoun.wordpress.com/ http://jaehoyoun.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 17 09:41:02 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:41:02 -1000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52B01C2E.6080405@hawaii.rr.com> I'm sure others have mentioned this, but laptop headphone out is not line level anything, it's a final, powered signal intended to play through laptop or small external speakers. I have a low-priced UCA-202 USB soundcard, 2 line in, 2 line outs. Includes hardware monitoring and SPDIF output. Cost about $30 US several years ago. It has a wider dynamic range than my laptop's built-in Intel HD sound. Another option would be too add a small preamp that has amp modelling in it. That way you could get the gain boost you want, pick the "warm" sound you want, and send the pro soundboard guys' their preferred balanced XLR signal. On 12/16/2013 06:21 AM, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > Hello, list. > > Last time I had a gig in a club where the sound system was really huge, > and I noticed that my signal wasn't loud enough. > > I was using just headphone jack out from my laptop, and it hasn't been a > problem...I did plenty of gigs like that and it worked out pretty well. > but with this huge system, my max output didn't even hit the half of > level meter on the main mixer....as I'm obsessed with being loud, I was > ashamed and I need a solution. > > I've been told that if I use a dedicated sound card, my output signal > can boost significantly. > > is it true? > although it sounds like it makes sense, I doubt it a little bit because > I don't see any output pre-amps...etc. on the sound cards spec. (for > inputs, yes. but what matters for me is the level of output) > > BUT if it's true, > > what card you recommend to me? > my conditions are: > > 1. of course, my purpose is to boost my output signal, it has to satisfy > that first of all. > 2. my budget is around 100-150 euro, but if needed, I can go a big higher. > 3. I'm on Ubuntu 13.10, on lenovo ideapad Y500. I'm not the kind of guy > who can trouble shoot very well, hacking firmwares or whatever. so plug > and play, 'work out of box' kinda card will be great. > 4. I do not have firewire port on my laptop, so it must be USB. > 5. I don't know if it's true or not, but I've been told also that some > cards output more 'warmer' sounds. I want to prevent that. I want my > output LOUD but NOT warm. > > so far, I found this: > http://www.thomann.de/pl/akai_eie_pro.htm > > it looks like it will boost some signal. well, it 'looks' like. some of > you guys have this one? some reviews maybe? > > also I've been told that the use of little table top compressor can > help, like this one: > http://www.thomann.de/pl/fmr_audio_rnc_1773.htm > > if it's the case, maybe I won't need a soundcard. or do I need both? or > do you know some usb sound card that can combine the both?? > > > thank you for all your thoughts and advices. > > best, > > jae > > -- > Jae Ho YOUN > > http://jaehoyoun.com > http://advancedsituation.com/ -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 17 09:58:48 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:58:48 -1000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <52AF30C6.3010208@ladisch.de> References: <52AF30C6.3010208@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <52B02058.8030309@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/16/2013 06:56 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Dj?ho Youn wrote: >> what card you recommend to me? > > Any simple USB stereo playback device with line outputs. > >> http://www.thomann.de/pl/akai_eie_pro.htm > > That is overkill. In theory, something cheap like this is adequate: > http://www.thomann.de/pl/behringer_ucontrol_uca_222.htm I have a Behringer UCA-202. Works for me. I've run its line out into our powered mixer and got good clean output. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From fons at linuxaudio.org Tue Dec 17 10:29:51 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:29:51 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations In-Reply-To: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> References: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> Message-ID: <20131217102951.GA22879@linuxaudio.org> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:13:18PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Some preliminary research reveals several FOSS implementations of > WFS (wave field synthesis). What is not entirely clear is how these > implementations stack up to something like Sonic Emotion. I presume > they will be subpar but the question is by how much and in what > ways? > > Ok, now another question. Is anyone aware of a 3D FOSS WFS > implementation (multiple horizontal rows) and how hard would it be > to use? Given the number of speakers used, the S.E. system can't be pure WFS except at very low frequencies. It probably uses a combination of techniques: WFS, some things based on AMB theory, delays, etc. but they won't tell you more. But the main difference to open source systems are to be found not in the rendering system, but in the one used to create and define the content. In commercial systems this will be very visual, hide the technicalities, and probably integrate with protools. It will also be closed and let you do predefined things only. All that makes it easier to use for the non-expert. Open source systems tend to provide less in this area, but will have interfaces that allow you to define your own production workflow and tools, usually via OSC. For example, the system which I developed and installed in Parma will let you control the position and smooth movements of virtual sources via OSC, but little more. Anything else has to be build on top of this. The main tool used here in Parma is a 'mixer' that instead of really mixing its inputs, controls the rendering engine instead, while also taking care of changing e.g. reverb levels and delays in function of source position. For static sources that is almost everything you need, apart from standard production tools. For more dynamic setups I either write ad-hoc code (usually Python, but you could use SC, Pd, Csound...), or plugins sending OSC from automation tracks in Ardour. A WFS system using two or more rows wouldn't be real 3D WFS, the vertical component would use conventional panning. A real 3D WFS system would require filling the walls with speakers. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From fons at linuxaudio.org Tue Dec 17 10:43:03 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:43:03 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131217104303.GB22879@linuxaudio.org> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 09:56:49AM +0100, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > there were two mixers. Main console and small Yamaha in between. Which explains a lot. If the input gain on the main console was set too high, it wouldn't be able to take a fulll level signal form the Yamaha. If at the same time the faders on the main console were too low (to compensate), the whole system would start clipping even at low output levels. And that confirms the following rule: if you give a non- technical user N level controls in series, the probability of having them set up correctly will be around exp(1 - N). Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 17 12:40:40 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:40:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1387284040.866.329.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 09:56 +0100, Dj?ho Youn wrote: > maybe Nobody does know. Cable? Jacks? "Main console and small Yamaha in between"? From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 17 12:43:58 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:43:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <52B01C2E.6080405@hawaii.rr.com> References: <52B01C2E.6080405@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <1387284238.866.331.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:41 -1000, david wrote: > I'm sure others have mentioned this, but laptop headphone out is not > line level anything We did and it doesn't matter, head phone output can be connected to a mixing consoles input, the only real drawback is, that common consumer head phone amps sound disgusting bad. From ico at vt.edu Tue Dec 17 15:14:45 2013 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Bukvic) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:14:45 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations In-Reply-To: <20131217102951.GA22879@linuxaudio.org> References: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> <20131217102951.GA22879@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: On Dec 17, 2013 5:29 AM, "Fons Adriaensen" wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:13:18PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > Some preliminary research reveals several FOSS implementations of > > WFS (wave field synthesis). What is not entirely clear is how these > > implementations stack up to something like Sonic Emotion. I presume > > they will be subpar but the question is by how much and in what > > ways? > > > > Ok, now another question. Is anyone aware of a 3D FOSS WFS > > implementation (multiple horizontal rows) and how hard would it be > > to use? > > Given the number of speakers used, the S.E. system can't be pure > WFS except at very low frequencies. It probably uses a combination > of techniques: WFS, some things based on AMB theory, delays, etc. > but they won't tell you more. I had an opportunity to listen to their system and even though it was quite sparse it still delivered a very compelling image even close to the speakers. If the system was using anything in the way of ambisonics it would have done so only using the actual horizontal array. Given that highest repreducible frequency is directly related to the distance between the speakers I am wondering if this may be because they are also trying to render waves from virtual speakers as they propagate through the real speakers as well as using a selection of speakers to render certain sounds as per recent publications in this area. > > But the main difference to open source systems are to be found not > in the rendering system, but in the one used to create and define > the content. In commercial systems this will be very visual, hide > the technicalities, and probably integrate with protools. It will > also be closed and let you do predefined things only. All that > makes it easier to use for the non-expert. > > Open source systems tend to provide less in this area, but will > have interfaces that allow you to define your own production > workflow and tools, usually via OSC. For example, the system > which I developed and installed in Parma will let you control > the position and smooth movements of virtual sources via OSC, > but little more. Anything else has to be build on top of this. > The main tool used here in Parma is a 'mixer' that instead of > really mixing its inputs, controls the rendering engine instead, > while also taking care of changing e.g. reverb levels and delays > in function of source position. For static sources that is > almost everything you need, apart from standard production > tools. For more dynamic setups I either write ad-hoc code > (usually Python, but you could use SC, Pd, Csound...), or > plugins sending OSC from automation tracks in Ardour. > > A WFS system using two or more rows wouldn't be real 3D WFS, > the vertical component would use conventional panning. A real > 3D WFS system would require filling the walls with speakers. > > Ciao, > > -- > FA > > A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. > It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris > and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at linuxaudio.org Tue Dec 17 16:04:01 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:04:01 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations In-Reply-To: References: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> <20131217102951.GA22879@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <20131217160401.GB9261@linuxaudio.org> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:14:45AM -0500, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > I had an opportunity to listen to their system and even though it was quite > sparse it still delivered a very compelling image even close to the > speakers. If the system was using anything in the way of ambisonics it > would have done so only using the actual horizontal array. Given that > highest repreducible frequency is directly related to the distance between > the speakers I am wondering if this may be because they are also trying to > render waves from virtual speakers as they propagate through the real > speakers as well as using a selection of speakers to render certain sounds > as per recent publications in this area. 'Filling the gaps' with virtual speakers doesn't change things - for the same reason that you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Consider the simple case of a plane wave from a direction orthogonal to the line of speakers. All speakers will get the same signal. To create a virtual speaker between every two adjacent real ones, those two would just have to get more of the same signal. So nothing changes, except at the ends of the line (and you may rediscover tapering). Ambisonic reproduction will create images 'projected on the line of speakers' a virtual source in between the speakers will appear at the same distance as the real speakers. It's possible to change this using near-field compensation, but only for low frequencies. Distance illusions can be created by exploiting psycho-acoustic effects rather than physics. I suspect systems such as S.E. are particularly good at this. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From markus.seeber at spectralbird.de Tue Dec 17 17:15:02 2013 From: markus.seeber at spectralbird.de (Markus Seeber) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:15:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations In-Reply-To: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> References: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> Message-ID: <52B08696.5070807@spectralbird.de> On 12/17/2013 05:13 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > All, > > Some preliminary research reveals several FOSS implementations of WFS > (wave field synthesis). What is not entirely clear is how these > implementations stack up to something like Sonic Emotion. I presume they > will be subpar but the question is by how much and in what ways? > > Ok, now another question. Is anyone aware of a 3D FOSS WFS > implementation (multiple horizontal rows) and how hard would it be to use? > > Best wishes, > Hi, i heard some of the FOSS implementations had Problems with moving sources, creating really noticeable artifacts, have you tried some current ones? Is that still the case? Greetings Markus From ico at vt.edu Tue Dec 17 22:14:08 2013 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:14:08 -0500 Subject: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations In-Reply-To: <20131217160401.GB9261@linuxaudio.org> References: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> <20131217102951.GA22879@linuxaudio.org> <20131217160401.GB9261@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <004f01cefb75$503e5210$f0baf630$@vt.edu> > -----Original Message----- > From: Fons Adriaensen [mailto:fons at linuxaudio.org] > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:04 AM > To: Ivica Bukvic > Cc: A list for linux audio users > Subject: Re: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:14:45AM -0500, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > > > I had an opportunity to listen to their system and even though it was quite > > sparse it still delivered a very compelling image even close to the > > speakers. If the system was using anything in the way of ambisonics it > > would have done so only using the actual horizontal array. Given that > > highest repreducible frequency is directly related to the distance between > > the speakers I am wondering if this may be because they are also trying to > > render waves from virtual speakers as they propagate through the real > > speakers as well as using a selection of speakers to render certain sounds > > as per recent publications in this area. > > 'Filling the gaps' with virtual speakers doesn't change things - for the > same reason that you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps. > > Consider the simple case of a plane wave from a direction orthogonal > to the line of speakers. All speakers will get the same signal. To > create a virtual speaker between every two adjacent real ones, those > two would just have to get more of the same signal. So nothing changes, > except at the ends of the line (and you may rediscover tapering). What if the denser line is positioned a distance behind the original speakers (as in the entire space is actually bigger with a denser array encircling the real physical array)? Sure, this would do nothing for an orthogonal direction, but it may improve the perception of other angles, no? > > Ambisonic reproduction will create images 'projected on the line of > speakers' a virtual source in between the speakers will appear at > the same distance as the real speakers. It's possible to change this > using near-field compensation, but only for low frequencies. > > Distance illusions can be created by exploiting psycho-acoustic > effects rather than physics. I suspect systems such as S.E. are > particularly good at this. > > Ciao, > > -- > FA > > A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. > It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris > and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Dec 17 22:36:48 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:36:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A Seasonal Track. In-Reply-To: <52AECF47.9050104@mellomrommet.no> References: <20131031194138.0108a3c7@debian> <52AECF47.9050104@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: <20131217223648.07910104@debian> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:00:39 +0100 Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > > > On 31. okt. 2013 20:41, Will Godfrey wrote: > > Recently, re-composed, re-mixed, re-polished :) > > > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Halloween.ogg > > This tune reminds me a little bit of some of the stuff 70's Italian > outfit Goblin put out. Good halloween feeling. > > Alf Well this is a nice surprise. Thanks for listening and commenting :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From fons at linuxaudio.org Wed Dec 18 00:28:08 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:28:08 +0000 Subject: [LAU] question about FOSS WFS implentations In-Reply-To: <004f01cefb75$503e5210$f0baf630$@vt.edu> References: <52AFCF5E.5070503@vt.edu> <20131217102951.GA22879@linuxaudio.org> <20131217160401.GB9261@linuxaudio.org> <004f01cefb75$503e5210$f0baf630$@vt.edu> Message-ID: <20131218002808.GA5586@linuxaudio.org> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 05:14:08PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > What if the denser line is positioned a distance behind the original > speakers (as in the entire space is actually bigger with a denser array > encircling the real physical array)? Sure, this would do nothing for an > orthogonal direction, but it may improve the perception of other angles, no? And how would that distant denser array (of virtual speakers) be created ? By WFS ? That assumes that the WFS system actually works (as WFS) at the frequency of interest. But the starting point is that it doesn't. This is again trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. I'm pretty sure that S.E. does some clever things above the aliasing frequency. I'm also pretty sure they can produce convincing distance cues (for some material, probably carefully chosen for the demos). But I don't believe that any of that is actually WFS. There were some experiments (in the early 1950s IIRC) using just three speakers on stage, playing a recording of an orchestra *made on the same stage*. I'm too young to have been there, but from what I've read it seems the reproduction was near to perfect. That doesn't mean that three speakers on stage can do reproduce whatever you want with the same result. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From robin at gareus.org Wed Dec 18 00:46:08 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 01:46:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <20131217104303.GB22879@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131217104303.GB22879@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <52B0F050.6000304@gareus.org> On 12/17/2013 11:43 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > And that confirms the following rule: if you give a non- > technical user N level controls in series, the probability > of having them set up correctly will be around exp(1 - N). This quote made my day! Thanks Fons. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Wed Dec 18 02:30:03 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:30:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] question related output level and sound card In-Reply-To: <52B0F050.6000304@gareus.org> References: <20131216171326.GA28100@linuxaudio.org> <1387214942.866.80.camel@archlinux> <20131217104303.GB22879@linuxaudio.org> <52B0F050.6000304@gareus.org> Message-ID: <1387333803.6974.115.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 01:46 +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/17/2013 11:43 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > And that confirms the following rule: if you give a non- > > technical user N level controls in series, the probability > > of having them set up correctly will be around exp(1 - N). > > This quote made my day! Thanks Fons. A limiter perhaps was inserted, this would fit to the described issue, limited level at full throttle and getting distortion. It's unusual that the artists are allowed to use such equipment, usually locations have an engineer handling the gear. Everybody at least agrees that the OP doesn't need another sound card, the issue isn't caused by the head phone output. Buying another sound device is less useful, than reading some advices about audio engineering? IMO Wikis are good enough to learn what is needed for most audio engineering situations. Many Wikis are on a high standard. From moshwe at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 07:38:35 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:38:35 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Days of Borrowed Time In-Reply-To: <52AECC22.8090904@mellomrommet.no> References: <5214AD46.5030909@gmx.net> <52AECC22.8090904@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > > > On 21. aug. 2013 14:06, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > >> On 21.08.2013 01:03, Harry van Haaren wrote: >> >>> Amazed by your versatility: it has a specific blend of genres that are >>> unique in each section. >>> I think they work very well together: impressive blending them >>> together and still sounding coherent. >>> Lovely pads sounds, vocals, and production. >>> Congratulations! >>> >> >> I can only second this :D Great work.. >> >> Flo >> > > Well, now that I finally came around to check out this one, I'll put my > name as well under this recension. > > Alf +1 from me on that! Also I want to second what Patrick said as I listen to a lot of electronic music and this piece holds its own ground. Nice work Moshe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From piem at piem.org Wed Dec 18 21:18:34 2013 From: piem at piem.org (Paul Brossier) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 22:18:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] aubio 0.4.0 Message-ID: <20131218211834.GA5379@coconut.piem.org> Hi all, I am pleased to announce that a new version of aubio, 0.4.0, has been released. aubio is a library of functions to perform audio feature extractions such as: - note onset detection - pitch detection - beat tracking - MFCC computation - spectral descriptors The core library, written in C, focuses on speed and portability. It is known to run on most modern operating systems, including Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, Android, and iOS. A new python module, rewritten from scratch, gives access to the features of aubio's core library from within Python. Tightly integrated with Python NumPy, the aubio python module provides an efficient way to extract features from audio streams as well as to design new algorithms. To find out more about aubio and this release: Project homepage: http://aubio.org/ Post announcing aubio 0.4.0: http://aubio.org/news/20131217-1900_aubio_0.4.0 ChangeLog for aubio 0.4.0: http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0.changelog Source tarball, signature and digests: http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0.tar.bz2 http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0.tar.bz2.asc http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0.tar.bz2.md5 http://aubio.org/pub/aubio-0.4.0.tar.bz2.sha1 API Documentation: http://aubio.org/doc/latest/ Merry hacking! Paul From talkingxouba at gmail.com Thu Dec 19 09:13:38 2013 From: talkingxouba at gmail.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Roberto_Su=E1rez_Soto?=) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:13:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar Message-ID: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> Hi, I'm thinking about buying a new sound card for recording guitar. As most recommendations I've seen on the Net are quite old (latest I could get was from 2012), I'm asking here to get more current information :-) My current setup is a V-Amp 2 connected through the headphones' output and a stereo jack to the line-in input in my computer. It's got an AMD Phenom 945, 12GB RAM and a built-in HDA Intel clone. It works, but it's noisy and I think it distorts sound when I pump up the volume. I've also tried a Behringer UCG-102, but it adds a hefty amount of latency (60-70 ms as measured by qjackctl). I'm not searching for anything "pro", just something cheap (<150?) to play and sometimes record at home. I wouldn't mind a PCI/PCIe card, though I worry that two or three years from now computers stop carrying PCI slots and I have to get rid of it. Searching for USB compatible devices, I've seen the Shappire 2i2, but reports of it working on Linux are mixed. A pity, because it sure looks good :-) So, based on this, what would you recommend? Thanks in advance, -- Roberto Suarez Soto We like to party Rock the party From gianfranco at portalmod.com.br Thu Dec 19 13:15:06 2013 From: gianfranco at portalmod.com.br (Gianfranco Ceccolini) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:15:06 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> Message-ID: The ESI UGM 96 does an excelent job and works right out of the box in Linux. http://www.esi-audio.com/products/ugm96/ 2013/12/19 Roberto Su?rez Soto > Hi, > > I'm thinking about buying a new sound card for recording guitar. As most > recommendations I've seen on the Net are quite old (latest I could get was > from 2012), I'm asking here to get more current information :-) > > My current setup is a V-Amp 2 connected through the headphones' output and > a stereo jack to the line-in input in my computer. It's got an AMD Phenom > 945, 12GB RAM and a built-in HDA Intel clone. It works, but it's noisy and > I think it distorts sound when I pump up the volume. I've also tried a > Behringer UCG-102, but it adds a hefty amount of latency (60-70 ms as > measured by qjackctl). > > I'm not searching for anything "pro", just something cheap (<150?) to play > and sometimes record at home. I wouldn't mind a PCI/PCIe card, though I > worry that two or three years from now computers stop carrying PCI slots > and I have to get rid of it. Searching for USB compatible devices, I've > seen the Shappire 2i2, but reports of it working on Linux are mixed. A > pity, because it sure looks good :-) > > So, based on this, what would you recommend? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Roberto Suarez Soto We like to party > Rock the party > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Dec 19 17:04:36 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:04:36 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131219170436.380ac993@debian> On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:15:06 -0200 Gianfranco Ceccolini wrote: > The ESI UGM 96 does an excelent job and works right out of the box in Linux. > > http://www.esi-audio.com/products/ugm96/ > > > > > 2013/12/19 Roberto Su?rez Soto > > > Hi, > > > > I'm thinking about buying a new sound card for recording guitar. As most > > recommendations I've seen on the Net are quite old (latest I could get was > > from 2012), I'm asking here to get more current information :-) > > > > My current setup is a V-Amp 2 connected through the headphones' output and > > a stereo jack to the line-in input in my computer. It's got an AMD Phenom > > 945, 12GB RAM and a built-in HDA Intel clone. It works, but it's noisy and > > I think it distorts sound when I pump up the volume. I've also tried a > > Behringer UCG-102, but it adds a hefty amount of latency (60-70 ms as > > measured by qjackctl). > > > > I'm not searching for anything "pro", just something cheap (<150?) to play > > and sometimes record at home. I wouldn't mind a PCI/PCIe card, though I > > worry that two or three years from now computers stop carrying PCI slots > > and I have to get rid of it. Searching for USB compatible devices, I've > > seen the Shappire 2i2, but reports of it working on Linux are mixed. A > > pity, because it sure looks good :-) > > > > So, based on this, what would you recommend? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > -- > > Roberto Suarez Soto We like to party > > Rock the party > > I'm using a Komplete Audio 6 which seems to work out of the box. Level is maybe slightly on the low side but is very clean and not a hint of noise or distortion, so appears to have plenty of headroom. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From steve at kingswayelec.co.uk Thu Dec 19 17:55:16 2013 From: steve at kingswayelec.co.uk (Steve Downes) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 17:55:16 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <20131219170436.380ac993@debian> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <20131219170436.380ac993@debian> Message-ID: <20131219175516.GA4104@kingswayelec.co.uk> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 05:04:36PM +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:15:06 -0200 > Gianfranco Ceccolini wrote: > > > The ESI UGM 96 does an excelent job and works right out of the box in Linux. > > > > http://www.esi-audio.com/products/ugm96/ > > > > > > > > > > 2013/12/19 Roberto Su?rez Soto > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm thinking about buying a new sound card for recording guitar. As most > > > recommendations I've seen on the Net are quite old (latest I could get was > > > from 2012), I'm asking here to get more current information :-) > > > > > > My current setup is a V-Amp 2 connected through the headphones' output and > > > a stereo jack to the line-in input in my computer. It's got an AMD Phenom > > > 945, 12GB RAM and a built-in HDA Intel clone. It works, but it's noisy and > > > I think it distorts sound when I pump up the volume. I've also tried a > > > Behringer UCG-102, but it adds a hefty amount of latency (60-70 ms as > > > measured by qjackctl). > > > > > > I'm not searching for anything "pro", just something cheap (<150?) to play > > > and sometimes record at home. I wouldn't mind a PCI/PCIe card, though I > > > worry that two or three years from now computers stop carrying PCI slots > > > and I have to get rid of it. Searching for USB compatible devices, I've > > > seen the Shappire 2i2, but reports of it working on Linux are mixed. A > > > pity, because it sure looks good :-) > > > > > > So, based on this, what would you recommend? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > -- > > > Roberto Suarez Soto We like to party > > > Rock the party > > > > I'm using a Komplete Audio 6 which seems to work out of the box. Level is maybe > slightly on the low side but is very clean and not a hint of noise or > distortion, so appears to have plenty of headroom. > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Komplete Audio 6 worked out of the box or me on several computers (running debian & ubuntu). Slightly above your budget but I suspect you will not regret it. Steve Downes From emiliano.grilli at gmail.com Thu Dec 19 19:30:55 2013 From: emiliano.grilli at gmail.com (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:30:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> Message-ID: The alesis io2 has hi-z inputs and it works as it is class compliant. It's usb powered which is very handy. You can't go much low in latency (it works reliably at 11ms) but is very cheap. I paid 40 eur used for mine. Hth Il 19/dic/2013 10:13 "Roberto Su?rez Soto" ha scritto: > Hi, > > I'm thinking about buying a new sound card for recording guitar. As most > recommendations I've seen on the Net are quite old (latest I could get was > from 2012), I'm asking here to get more current information :-) > > My current setup is a V-Amp 2 connected through the headphones' output and > a stereo jack to the line-in input in my computer. It's got an AMD Phenom > 945, 12GB RAM and a built-in HDA Intel clone. It works, but it's noisy and > I think it distorts sound when I pump up the volume. I've also tried a > Behringer UCG-102, but it adds a hefty amount of latency (60-70 ms as > measured by qjackctl). > > I'm not searching for anything "pro", just something cheap (<150?) to play > and sometimes record at home. I wouldn't mind a PCI/PCIe card, though I > worry that two or three years from now computers stop carrying PCI slots > and I have to get rid of it. Searching for USB compatible devices, I've > seen the Shappire 2i2, but reports of it working on Linux are mixed. A > pity, because it sure looks good :-) > > So, based on this, what would you recommend? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Roberto Suarez Soto We like to party > Rock the party > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Dec 19 19:51:13 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:51:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> On 12/19/2013 10:13 AM, Roberto Su?rez Soto wrote: I've also > tried a Behringer UCG-102, but it adds a hefty amount of latency (60-70 > ms as measured by qjackctl). I'd keep the UCG-102 and try to get it running smoothly with JACK. You'll probably run into the same latency issue with other USB interfaces. To me it seems like you're facing some kind of configuration issue as I can run my UCG102 with a system latency of 64/48000*3 = 4ms (-p64 -n3 -r48000). With jack_iodelay round-trip latency pegs at 7.680ms. What JACK settings are you using? Could you post the contents of your $HOME/.jackdrc file? Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From talkingxouba at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 08:17:03 2013 From: talkingxouba at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Su=E1rez_Soto?=) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:17:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> El 19/12/13 20:51, Jeremy Jongepier escribi?: > I'd keep the UCG-102 and try to get it running smoothly with JACK. > You'll probably run into the same latency issue with other USB > interfaces. To me it seems like you're facing some kind of > configuration issue as I can run my UCG102 with a system latency of > 64/48000*3 = 4ms (-p64 -n3 -r48000). With jack_iodelay round-trip > latency pegs at 7.680ms. What JACK settings are you using? Could you > post the contents of your $HOME/.jackdrc file? Yes, of course. This is what I've got now: /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 This is without using the UCG-102 yet (which would be using hw:1), because I'm having a few issues with Pulseaudio, but it was the last working configuration. I confess I don't have much idea about finetuning Jack: I was usually happy just making it work. So, if you see something obviously stupid in this configuration, assume ignorance as first option :-) Thanks, -- Roberto Suarez Soto I need a hurricane To wash my sins away From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Dec 20 09:45:04 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 23:45:04 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/19/2013 10:17 PM, Roberto Su?rez Soto wrote: > El 19/12/13 20:51, Jeremy Jongepier escribi?: >> I'd keep the UCG-102 and try to get it running smoothly with JACK. >> You'll probably run into the same latency issue with other USB >> interfaces. To me it seems like you're facing some kind of >> configuration issue as I can run my UCG102 with a system latency of >> 64/48000*3 = 4ms (-p64 -n3 -r48000). With jack_iodelay round-trip >> latency pegs at 7.680ms. What JACK settings are you using? Could you >> post the contents of your $HOME/.jackdrc file? > > Yes, of course. This is what I've got now: > > /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 > > This is without using the UCG-102 yet (which would be using hw:1), > because I'm having a few issues with Pulseaudio, but it was the last > working configuration. I confess I don't have much idea about finetuning > Jack: I was usually happy just making it work. So, if you see something > obviously stupid in this configuration, assume ignorance as first option > :-) Hmm, I don't use the UCG, I use a different USB card, but IIRC -n3 works better with USB devices than -n2. My card's native rate is 48000, so that's what I run it at. You might have better results with -r48000 and -n3. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Dec 20 10:16:54 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:16:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1387534614.695.8.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 09:17 +0100, Roberto Su?rez Soto wrote: > I'm having a few issues with Pulseaudio, but it was the last > working configuration. > So, if you see something obviously stupid in this configuration Yes, it's stupid that pulseaudio has got impact to audio productions. Disable it when doing audio productions, or if you don't need it, remove it. Assumed it should be a hard dependency, you could install a dummy package, faking that pulseaudio is installed. The jackd settings are ok, resp. 48000 Hz is a better choice for production than 44100 Hz are. It's more interesting whats the output of rtirq status is ;). Are there shared IRQs, are the priorities ok? Regards, Ralf From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Dec 20 10:19:22 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:19:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 23:45 -1000, david wrote: > -r48000 and -n3 -n3 should only be used, if -n2 shouldn't work. AFAIK -n3 will increase jitter, so the sound could become muddy. From fons at linuxaudio.org Fri Dec 20 11:22:12 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:22:12 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:19:22AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > -n3 should only be used, if -n2 shouldn't work. AFAIK -n3 will increase > jitter, so the sound could become muddy. Please stop spreading such nonsense. Jitter depends on the stability of the AD/DA converters clock, and nothing else. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Dec 20 11:48:45 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:48:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 11:22 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:19:22AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > -n3 should only be used, if -n2 shouldn't work. AFAIK -n3 will increase > > jitter, so the sound could become muddy. > > Please stop spreading such nonsense. Jitter depends on the stability > of the AD/DA converters clock, and nothing else. I never tested it myself, however, I remember that it often is mentioned not to use -n >2. Is there a reason to avoid -n >2 or is t juts a myth? Regards, Ralf From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 20 11:50:42 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:50:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52B42F12.1080403@autostatic.com> On 20-12-13 12:48, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 11:22 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:19:22AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> >>> -n3 should only be used, if -n2 shouldn't work. AFAIK -n3 will increase >>> jitter, so the sound could become muddy. >> >> Please stop spreading such nonsense. Jitter depends on the stability >> of the AD/DA converters clock, and nothing else. > > I never tested it myself, however, I remember that it often is mentioned > not to use -n >2. Is there a reason to avoid -n >2 or is t juts a myth? > > Regards, > Ralf Ralf, man jackd Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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AFAIK -n3 will increase > >>> jitter, so the sound could become muddy. > >> > >> Please stop spreading such nonsense. Jitter depends on the stability > >> of the AD/DA converters clock, and nothing else. > > > > I never tested it myself, however, I remember that it often is mentioned > > not to use -n >2. Is there a reason to avoid -n >2 or is t juts a myth? > > > man jackd This doesn't answer my question [1], resp. IIUC there is _no_ drawback when using -n >2, if there would be a drawback, it would have been mentioned in the man page?! OTOH the default rate is 48000 Hz and for good reasons it definitive is the rate used for studio productions, but there's no hint not to use rates < 48000 Hz ;). It would be nice if you would share information, I guess this is what lists are for, it's not a battle ;). Unlikely that the Arch jackd manual page is incomplete, but I can't find further info there. [1] ALSA BACKEND OPTIONS -n, --nperiods int Specify the number of periods of playback latency. In seconds, this corresponds to --nperiods times --period divided by --rate. The default is 2, the minimum allowable. For most devices, there is no need for any other value with the --realtime option. Without realtime privileges or with boards providing unreliable interrupts (like ymfpci), a larger value may yield fewer xruns. This can also help if the system is not tuned for reliable realtime scheduling. For most ALSA devices, the hardware buffer has exactly --period times --nperiods frames. Some devices demand a larger buffer. If so, JACK will use the smallest possible buffer containing at least --nperiods, but the playback latency does not increase. For USB audio devices it is recommended to use -n 3. Firewire devices supported by FFADO (for? merly Freebob) are configured with -n 3 by default. From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 20 12:35:20 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:35:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <1387541453.661.9.camel@archlinux> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> <52B42F12.1080403@autostatic.com> <1387541453.661.9.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52B43988.6060407@autostatic.com> On 20-12-13 13:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > For USB audio devices it is recommended to use -n 3. Firewire devices supported by FFADO (for? > merly Freebob) are configured with -n 3 by default. http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-January/066765.html Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Ralf From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 20 12:50:56 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:50:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <1387543675.661.12.camel@archlinux> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> <52B42F12.1080403@autostatic.com> <1387541453.661.9.camel@archlinux> <52B43988.6060407@autostatic.com> <1387543675.661.12.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52B43D30.9050004@autostatic.com> On 20-12-13 13:47, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 13:35 +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-January/066765.html > > Thank you, so my remembrance confused it with another sync issue. > > Regards, > Ralf You're welcome. And forgive me being terse, I'm just not the e-mail epistle kinda guy ;) Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Dec 20 14:04:44 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:04:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52B44E7C.8050803@ladisch.de> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I never tested it myself, however, I remember that it often is mentioned > not to use -n >2. Is there a reason to avoid -n >2 or is t juts a myth? The buffer size is the product of the period size (-p) and the number of periods (-n). A larger buffer size increases latency, but reduces the risk of underruns. A smaller period size _slightly_ increases CPU usage because of the overhead needed for handling a period. Therefore, when optimizing for low latency, one typcially uses two periods and makes -p as small as possible. With USB devices, the period boundaries (where interrupts are supposed to happen) are not necessarily coincident with the USB frame boundaries (where interrupts actually happen). This results in delays (jitter) of up to 1 ms in the timing of period interrupts; with very small buffer sizes, this increases the risk of underruns greatly. So if, e.g., the machine is not able to handle "-p 64 -n 2" reliably, increasing the number of periods to 3 results in lower latency (3*64=192) than increasing the period size (2*128=256). (Using "-p 96 -n 2" would have the same latency, but works only if that particular Jack version allows period sizes that are not a power of two.) Regards, Clemens From talkingxouba at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 14:36:56 2013 From: talkingxouba at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Su=E1rez_Soto?=) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:36:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B44E7C.8050803@ladisch.de> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> <52B44E7C.8050803@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <52B45608.8000101@gmail.com> El 20/12/13 15:04, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: > With USB devices, the period boundaries (where interrupts are supposed > to happen) are not necessarily coincident with the USB frame boundaries > (where interrupts actually happen). This results in delays (jitter) of > up to 1 ms in the timing of period interrupts; with very small buffer > sizes, this increases the risk of underruns greatly. So if, e.g., the > machine is not able to handle "-p 64 -n 2" reliably, increasing the > number of periods to 3 results in lower latency (3*64=192) than > increasing the period size (2*128=256). (Using "-p 96 -n 2" would have > the same latency, but works only if that particular Jack version allows > period sizes that are not a power of two.) This is a great explanation. Thanks! -- Roberto Suarez Soto I was born in the back of a black cadillac And raised by a gypsy queen From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Dec 20 16:47:48 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:47:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <52B44E7C.8050803@ladisch.de> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> <52B44E7C.8050803@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <1387558068.661.30.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 15:04 +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I never tested it myself, however, I remember that it often is mentioned > > not to use -n >2. Is there a reason to avoid -n >2 or is t juts a myth? > > The buffer size is the product of the period size (-p) and the number of > periods (-n). A larger buffer size increases latency, but reduces the > risk of underruns. A smaller period size _slightly_ increases CPU usage > because of the overhead needed for handling a period. > > Therefore, when optimizing for low latency, one typcially uses two > periods and makes -p as small as possible. > > With USB devices, the period boundaries (where interrupts are supposed > to happen) are not necessarily coincident with the USB frame boundaries > (where interrupts actually happen). This results in delays (jitter) of > up to 1 ms in the timing of period interrupts; with very small buffer > sizes, this increases the risk of underruns greatly. So if, e.g., the > machine is not able to handle "-p 64 -n 2" reliably, increasing the > number of periods to 3 results in lower latency (3*64=192) than > increasing the period size (2*128=256). (Using "-p 96 -n 2" would have > the same latency, but works only if that particular Jack version allows > period sizes that are not a power of two.) Thank you too. Jeremy already posted a link to a thread where _you_ explained it :) (less detailed than now). R?sum?: As Fons pointed out, the sound quality isn't affected by the -n size. I assume even sync between audio and MIDI, between several devices isn't affected by the -n size, but just some prosumer USB devices could cause less good sync between audio and MIDI, irrelevant for this thread. Regards, Ralf From egor.sanin at gmail.com Fri Dec 20 17:17:50 2013 From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:17:50 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: <1387558068.661.30.camel@archlinux> References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> <52B44E7C.8050803@ladisch.de> <1387558068.661.30.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On 12/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Thank you too. Jeremy already posted a link to a thread where _you_ > explained it :) (less detailed than now). R?sum?: As Fons pointed out, > the sound quality isn't affected by the -n size. I assume even sync > between audio and MIDI, between several devices isn't affected by the -n > size, but just some prosumer USB devices could cause less good sync > between audio and MIDI, irrelevant for this thread. > > Regards, > Ralf Ralf, I understand that your intention is to provide the OP with clear and unbiased information, but, unfortunately, this often gets lost in your replies. For example, the first time that MIDI is mentioned AT ALL in this thread is in your "R?sum?" (summary would be a more appropriate term here). This thread had nothing to do with MIDI. Yes, USB soundcard sync could be related to MIDI, but none of the devices discussed here have MIDI capabilities, so this is irrelevant. Sorry, but "R?sum?s" like the one above only obfuscate real information. And I'm NOT saying it's wrong or inaccurate information, just that it's unclear and unnecessary. From kvutter at frii.com Fri Dec 20 17:37:06 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:37:06 -0700 Subject: [LAU] A2J-MIDI Bridge error Message-ID: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> Hi all! I'm still having XRUN difficulties when recording using MIDI input to a softsynth. Along with the "*** Alsa XRUN" error message, I also consistently get this message from a2j-midid: ERROR: a2j_process_incoming: threw away MIDI event - not reserved at time 13248047 Can anyone explain what this error means? I was advised that A2J-MIDI-Bridge might be better than using Jack's seq mode, and it seems to work fine as long as I'm not recording audio at the same time. I may be incorrectly suspecting A2J, but thought it might be worth asking about. Thanks much. Kevin From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Dec 20 17:46:25 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:46:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] _OT_: Sound card for recording guitar In-Reply-To: References: <52B2B8C2.5010203@gmail.com> <52B34E31.4010002@autostatic.com> <52B3FCFF.60700@gmail.com> <52B411A0.9070105@hawaii.rr.com> <1387534762.695.10.camel@archlinux> <20131220112212.GA24376@linuxaudio.org> <1387540125.661.1.camel@archlinux> <52B44E7C.8050803@ladisch.de> <1387558068.661.30.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1387561585.661.49.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 12:17 -0500, Egor Sanin wrote: > And I'm NOT saying it's wrong or inaccurate information, > just that it's unclear and unnecessary. _The OP asked about the used jackd settings, this implies that the OP want's to know if he/she is missing something._ So it wasn't me who captured this thread for something that is OT. You still could be right, OTOH you never know. A user reading this thread or even the OP might not think about such related things. Users might buy an interface for audio, to connect a guitar and another for MIDI. The thread _is_ only about connecting a guitar by audio, but somebody might read the thread in the archive, got all the information about audio interfaces for guitars and then is surprised when syncing a drum computer or similar isn't that good synced as expected. Regards, Ralf -- Windows 8 Pro floppy disk 1 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-December/255074.html From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Dec 20 18:01:14 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:01:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A2J-MIDI Bridge error In-Reply-To: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> Message-ID: <1387562474.661.59.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 10:37 -0700, Kevin Utter wrote: > I was advised that A2J-MIDI-Bridge might be better than using Jack's > seq mode, and it seems to work fine as long as I'm not recording audio > at the same time. The resources needed for audio/MIDI work are much higher and came with other additional issues than for audio only. MIDI is treat as an orphan. You often will read about low latencies by using a vanilla kernel for audio productions and recommendations that don't include MIDI. To cut a long story short, use a kernel-rt and increase the latency and test if it does work without issues with much higher latency, then the latency you're using now. Feel lucky, since you're using soft synth and not external gear, so it's likely that you only need to increase the latency, this won't cause any side effects for your usage. Regards, Ralf -- Windows 8 Pro floppy disk 1 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-December/255074.html From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Dec 20 18:09:19 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:09:19 -0500 Subject: [LAU] A2J-MIDI Bridge error In-Reply-To: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi all! I'm still having XRUN difficulties when recording using MIDI > input to a softsynth. Along with the "*** Alsa XRUN" error message, I > also consistently get this message from a2j-midid: > > [31mERROR: [0ma2j_process_incoming: threw away MIDI event - not reserved > at time 13248047 > > Can anyone explain what this error means? I was advised that > A2J-MIDI-Bridge might be better than using Jack's seq mode, -X seq should be ignored. It is never a valid option unless you do not care about precise timing. The next release of Jack 1 will have massively improved MIDI bridging support. a2jmidid will become unnecessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 20 18:57:59 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:57:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A2J-MIDI Bridge error In-Reply-To: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> Message-ID: <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> On 12/20/2013 06:37 PM, Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi all! I'm still having XRUN difficulties when recording using MIDI input to a softsynth. Along with the "*** Alsa XRUN" error message, I also consistently get this message from a2j-midid: > > ERROR: a2j_process_incoming: threw away MIDI event - not reserved at time 13248047 > > Can anyone explain what this error means? I was advised that A2J-MIDI-Bridge might be better than using Jack's seq mode, and it seems to work fine as long as I'm not recording audio at the same time. I may be incorrectly suspecting A2J, but thought it might be worth asking about. > > Thanks much. > > Kevin Hello Kevin, What audio interface are you using? And what are your JACK settings? Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From atte at youmail.dk Sat Dec 21 10:45:52 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:45:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] VIDEO OT: ffmpeg Message-ID: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> Hi I have two boxes running crunchbang, one has been 'infected' with software from non standard repos. Downgrading (removing, installing) ffmpeg to the older, official version on the infected box I get this: "ffmpeg: Symbol `av_pix_fmt_descriptors' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking" My question is: how do I figure out what library(ies) I need to downgrade? -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From robin at gareus.org Sat Dec 21 10:59:55 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:59:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] VIDEO OT: ffmpeg In-Reply-To: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> References: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52B574AB.1070306@gareus.org> On 12/21/2013 11:45 AM, Atte wrote: > Hi > > I have two boxes running crunchbang, one has been 'infected' with > software from non standard repos. > > Downgrading (removing, installing) ffmpeg to the older, official version > on the infected box I get this: > > "ffmpeg: Symbol `av_pix_fmt_descriptors' has different size in shared > object, consider re-linking" > > My question is: how do I figure out what library(ies) I need to downgrade? `ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg` lists all libs used by the binary. It must be one of the libs listed there, but which of those is harder to find out. objdump (1) or ltrace (1) can provide detailed information, but simply re-installing all the ones 'ldd' prints (and possibly also their dependencies, run ldd recursively) should do it. av_pix_fmt is in libavutil - at least for the official ffmpeg from ffmpeg.org. But the situation in res libav.org and ffmpeg.org is tricky. The problem could also have arisen by mixing the two, or installing one of them in /usr/local/ HTH, robin From atte at youmail.dk Sat Dec 21 13:47:47 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:47:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] VIDEO OT: ffmpeg In-Reply-To: <52B574AB.1070306@gareus.org> References: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> <52B574AB.1070306@gareus.org> Message-ID: <52B59C03.7040704@youmail.dk> On 12/21/2013 11:59 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > `ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg` lists all libs used by the binary. It must be one > of the libs listed there, but which of those is harder to find out. Thanks, very useful! > av_pix_fmt is in libavutil Ok, so I removed libavutil and installed it again (already removed the offending repo in sources.list.d/) and now everything seems to work just fine! Thanks for the help! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From kvutter at frii.com Sat Dec 21 14:59:15 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 07:59:15 -0700 Subject: [LAU] A2J-MIDI Bridge error In-Reply-To: <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> Hi Jeremy! My MIDI interface is an M-Audio MIDISPORT Uno. Unfortunately the only sound device I have available at this time is the built-in on-board sound. Alsamixer reports it as "card: HDA Intel PCH, Chip: Realtech ALC892." Apparently my Rolland OctaCapture isn't supported at present, or I would be using that. Currently my Jack-2 settings are: ?realtime ?timeout=4500 ?no-m_lock -d alsa ?device=HW:0 ?rate=44100 ?period=256 ?dither=shaped midi=none. I haven't had a chance to try larger latency yet, but I could do that once I'm playing back sequences. Is there any reason to do anything with "nice" on either A2J or anything else? I think I have most of the recommended optimizations for audio done, except for the rt kernel, but just wondered about nice, since I've seen it used, but don't see any recommendations about it. The uname -a shows: Linux StudioLinux 3.5.0-42-generic #65~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 2 20:57:18 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Studio is just its name reflecting location, it isn't a special blend of Linux. Thanks much for your help. Kevin From len at ovenwerks.net Sat Dec 21 16:50:33 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:50:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] A2J-MIDI Bridge error In-Reply-To: <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Dec 2013, Kevin Utter wrote: > The uname -a shows: > Linux StudioLinux 3.5.0-42-generic #65~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 2 20:57:18 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > Studio is just its name reflecting location, it isn't a special blend of Linux. I would sugest that installing linux-lowlatency would make a difference as many of the settings depend on having the access provided in the lowlatency or RT kernel. Lowlatency vs. RT: RT is a patched kernel. It does provide better latency performance, but there may be some problems with those code chunks needed for video or wireless etc. On a Ubuntu system you would have to roll you own. Lowlatency is the same as the generic kernel with one or two config changes when compiling that allow some preemptive operations like setting interupt priorities for example. It is precompiled and can be installed with apt-get, synaptic, The kde variants... who knows, maybe even USC I have only one audio IF (at least I only use one at a time) and use the lowlatency kernel. I am able to get less than 1ms latency with no xruns when I turn off hyperthreading.... of course the audio card itself has 1ms delay internally that is not included in that :) Anyway, in my case the RT kernel would not add anything. This is also true for most USB audio IF as their lowest latency is around 5ms as determined by their smallest buffer settings. RT kernels might help when using more than one audio card at a time. Note that a MIDI IF is not an audio card and is treated separately even if it is a aprt of the same card as the audio IF. The MIDI port is just a serial port that is treated specially. It is not even that fast. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Dec 21 17:15:11 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:15:11 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys/Kimer i klokker In-Reply-To: <52AE1EEB.3020602@youmail.dk> References: <52AE1EEB.3020602@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <20131221171511.5a611380@debian> On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 22:28:11 +0100 Atte wrote: > Hi > > Third sunday of advent. This week I did a new version (new melody and > music, original lyrics) of the danish christmas carol "Kimer, I klokker". > > https://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/kimer-i-klokker > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4343030/kimer_i_klokker.mp3 > > Hope you enjoy! Lovely song, beautifully sung, and played. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From jeremy at autostatic.com Sat Dec 21 19:06:43 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:06:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A2J-MIDI Bridge error In-Reply-To: <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> Message-ID: <52B5E6C3.2050203@autostatic.com> On 12/21/2013 03:59 PM, Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi Jeremy! My MIDI interface is an M-Audio MIDISPORT Uno. Unfortunately the only sound device I have available at this time is the built-in on-board sound. Alsamixer reports it as "card: HDA Intel PCH, Chip: Realtech ALC892." Apparently my Rolland OctaCapture isn't supported at present, or I would be using that. > Hello Kevin, Using the onboard sound shouldn't be an issue. > Currently my Jack-2 settings are: ?realtime ?timeout=4500 ?no-m_lock -d alsa ?device=HW:0 ?rate=44100 ?period=256 ?dither=shaped midi=none. I haven't had a chance to try larger latency yet, but I could do that once I'm playing back sequences. > Try removing the --no-m_lock setting. You also don't need a --dither setting, afaik you only need this in very specific usercases. > Is there any reason to do anything with "nice" on either A2J or anything else? I think I have most of the recommended optimizations for audio done, except for the rt kernel, but just wondered about nice, since I've seen it used, but don't see any recommendations about it. > From the JACK FAQ page "How do I configure my linux system to allow JACK to use realtime scheduling?" (http://jackaudio.org/linux_rt_config): "Contrary to a lot of misinformation on the web, there is no reason to include a line here that provides enhanced "niceness" control, which is completely irrelevant for realtime scheduling and low latency audio applications. " > The uname -a shows: > Linux StudioLinux 3.5.0-42-generic #65~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 2 20:57:18 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > Studio is just its name reflecting location, it isn't a special blend of Linux. > You could try the Ubuntu low-latency kernel. Best, Jeremy > Thanks much for your help. > > Kevin > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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" In addition, you might want to raise JACK's rtprio. Default is 10, try raising it to a value between 80 and 90. Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Dec 21 22:23:42 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:23:42 +0000 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... Message-ID: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> did the debian devs think they were doing? My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff or eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any changes, but thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up till now this has never been any kind of problem and usually results in some tiny overall improvements. Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, they installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my computer totally useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then log into recovery mode, find aptitude and delete the crap. I will never really trust debian again :( -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From murks at tuxfamily.org Sat Dec 21 23:41:07 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:41:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> Message-ID: <20131222004107.0b34152c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:23:42 +0000 Will Godfrey wrote: > did the debian devs think they were doing? > > My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff > or eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any > changes, but thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up > till now this has never been any kind of problem and usually results > in some tiny overall improvements. > > Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, > they installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my > computer totally useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then > log into recovery mode, find aptitude and delete the crap. > > I will never really trust debian again :( apt-get upgrade didn't show what it was planning to do? That sounds unlikely, but if it did happen, then something is very wrong in debian-land. Regards, Philipp From murks at tuxfamily.org Sat Dec 21 23:45:14 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:45:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file Message-ID: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Hi there, I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any decent musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the score of this song. Is there some piece of software that can help to do this? In case anyone is curious, the song is "Ohne Dich" by "The Bates". Regards, Philipp From bob at mellowood.ca Sun Dec 22 00:33:34 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:33:34 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I > have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play > and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any decent > musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the score of this > song. Is there some piece of software that can help to do this? > > In case anyone is curious, the song is "Ohne Dich" by "The Bates". > Sorry, but it's not clear just what you HAVE and what you WANT. Am I right in assuming that you do not have a score and want to play a song that you heard on the radio (or some other audio source)? In this case you'll probably have to rely on your ears and experience to figure out the melody notes, chords, rhythm, etc. The only short-cuts a computer will give you are the ability to loop back over sections. If this is a wrong assumption, please let us know. -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From bob at mellowood.ca Sun Dec 22 00:37:00 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:37:00 -0700 Subject: [LAU] MMA--Musical MIDI Accompaniment 13.12 released Message-ID: A stable release, version 13.12, of MMA--Musical MIDI Accompaniment is available for downloading. In addition to a number of bug fixes and optimizations, MMA now features: - A number of Solo/Melody enhancements - Multiple user library paths are now supported - MIDI enhancements - Lots of minor enhancements and bug fixes Please read the file text/CHANGES-12 for a complete list of changes. MMA is a accompaniment generator -- it creates midi tracks for a soloist to perform with. User supplied files contain pattern selections, chords, and MMA directives. For full details please visit: http://www.mellowood.ca/mma/ If you have any questions or comments, please send them to: bob at mellowood.ca -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From robin at gareus.org Sun Dec 22 00:56:32 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 01:56:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> Message-ID: <52B638C0.5040508@gareus.org> On 12/21/2013 11:23 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > did the debian devs think they were doing? > > My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff or > eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any changes, but > thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up till now this has > never been any kind of problem and usually results in some tiny overall > improvements. > > Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, they > installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, How can debian-devs install something on *your* machine? > thus rendering my computer totally > useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then log into recovery mode, > find aptitude and delete the crap. > > I will never really trust debian again :( > That rather sounds like you should not trust yourself, again :) On debian, no install/update/upgrade command will do anything (by default) without asking for confirmation. Apart from that, I have not seen anything changes, that'd pull in these deps (debian stable+testing+sid mix here). 2c, robin From tim at quitte.de Sun Dec 22 01:44:10 2013 From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 02:44:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: [Bob van der Poel] >On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >> I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I >> have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play >> and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any decent >> musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the score of this >> song. Is there some piece of software that can help to do this? [...] >Am I right in assuming that you do not have a score and want to play a >song that you heard on the radio (or some other audio source)? In this >case you'll probably have to rely on your ears and experience to >figure out the melody notes, chords, rhythm, etc. The only short-cuts >a computer will give you are the ability to loop back over sections. Besides (and in addition to) looping, time-stretching can also be a great help in transcribing manually from an audio recording. Completely automatic music transcription is an active area of research, but the problem seems to remain somewhat thorny so far. It appears that some proprietary solutions are already marketed but I have no idea what quality can be expected (but if I had to make a guess, it would be a very conservative one). If you'll excuse the boldness, I'd like to recommend manual transcription as an invaluable tool to build your musicianship and your understanding of a particular piece. And for most contemporary songs, getting the chord progression right is all it takes to create a credible reinterpretation. Good Luck, Tim From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 02:20:27 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 03:20:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <1387678827.653.29.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 02:44 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: > [Bob van der Poel] > >On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > >> I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I > >> have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play > >> and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any decent > >> musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the score of this > >> song. Is there some piece of software that can help to do this? > [...] > >Am I right in assuming that you do not have a score and want to play a > >song that you heard on the radio (or some other audio source)? In this > >case you'll probably have to rely on your ears and experience to > >figure out the melody notes, chords, rhythm, etc. The only short-cuts > >a computer will give you are the ability to loop back over sections. > > Besides (and in addition to) looping, time-stretching can also be a > great help in transcribing manually from an audio recording. > > Completely automatic music transcription is an active area of > research, but the problem seems to remain somewhat thorny so far. It > appears that some proprietary solutions are already marketed but I > have no idea what quality can be expected (but if I had to make a > guess, it would be a very conservative one). > > If you'll excuse the boldness, I'd like to recommend manual > transcription as an invaluable tool to build your musicianship and > your understanding of a particular piece. And for most contemporary > songs, getting the chord progression right is all it takes to create a > credible reinterpretation. People who are not talented can use mnemonics. For example, to identify the distance, interval between two notes, learn some intervals from the first two notes of melodic refrains, from music you like. Just play the C major scale and A minor pentatonic for a while. Test how it does sound if you play one note after the other, if you play every second note etc.. Even without talent you will get a feel for the relation of notes. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Dec 22 03:48:57 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:48:57 -1000 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <20131222004107.0b34152c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> <20131222004107.0b34152c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <52B66129.7040406@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/21/2013 01:41 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:23:42 +0000 > Will Godfrey wrote: > >> did the debian devs think they were doing? >> >> My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff >> or eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any >> changes, but thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up >> till now this has never been any kind of problem and usually results >> in some tiny overall improvements. >> >> Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, >> they installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my >> computer totally useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then >> log into recovery mode, find aptitude and delete the crap. >> >> I will never really trust debian again :( > > apt-get upgrade didn't show what it was planning to do? That sounds > unlikely, but if it did happen, then something is very wrong in > debian-land. Hmmm, haven't had Debian do that to me. A DIST-UPGRADE might have messed things up, but not a straight upgrade. A straight upgrade doesn't install things you don't already have installed unless (I think) they're a dependency of something else you already have installed. IOW, you already had something on there that involved GDM, Gnome3 or PulseAudio. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From brummer- at web.de Sun Dec 22 05:07:05 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:07:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <52B66129.7040406@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> <20131222004107.0b34152c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <52B66129.7040406@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <52B67379.4080702@web.de> Am 22.12.2013 04:48, schrieb david: > On 12/21/2013 01:41 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:23:42 +0000 >> Will Godfrey wrote: >> >>> did the debian devs think they were doing? >>> >>> My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff >>> or eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any >>> changes, but thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up >>> till now this has never been any kind of problem and usually results >>> in some tiny overall improvements. >>> >>> Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, >>> they installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my >>> computer totally useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then >>> log into recovery mode, find aptitude and delete the crap. >>> >>> I will never really trust debian again :( >> >> apt-get upgrade didn't show what it was planning to do? That sounds >> unlikely, but if it did happen, then something is very wrong in >> debian-land. > > Hmmm, haven't had Debian do that to me. A DIST-UPGRADE might have > messed things up, but not a straight upgrade. A straight upgrade > doesn't install things you don't already have installed unless (I > think) they're a dependency of something else you already have > installed. IOW, you already had something on there that involved GDM, > Gnome3 or PulseAudio. > Funny, I did a full dist-upgrade on my debian-sid box yesterday, which /remove/ GDM. But indeed, apt-get informs me before about any new package, as well about any package it wish to remove. So I switch to lightdm before the dist-upgrade. By the way, you should be careful with a "straight upgrade" on debian sid, better do a DIST-UPGRADE, because, for example, library?s could come in new, non-compatible versions, which make it necessary to remove older versions before they get replaced with newer ones (with changed names). When you only do "straight upgrade", you will end up sooner or later in a unstable system state. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Dec 22 05:43:23 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:43:23 -1000 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <52B67379.4080702@web.de> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> <20131222004107.0b34152c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <52B66129.7040406@hawaii.rr.com> <52B67379.4080702@web.de> Message-ID: <52B67BFB.4050708@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/21/2013 07:07 PM, hermann meyer wrote: > Am 22.12.2013 04:48, schrieb david: >> On 12/21/2013 01:41 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:23:42 +0000 >>> Will Godfrey wrote: >>> >>>> did the debian devs think they were doing? >>>> >>>> My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff >>>> or eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any >>>> changes, but thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up >>>> till now this has never been any kind of problem and usually results >>>> in some tiny overall improvements. >>>> >>>> Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, >>>> they installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my >>>> computer totally useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then >>>> log into recovery mode, find aptitude and delete the crap. >>>> >>>> I will never really trust debian again :( >>> >>> apt-get upgrade didn't show what it was planning to do? That sounds >>> unlikely, but if it did happen, then something is very wrong in >>> debian-land. >> >> Hmmm, haven't had Debian do that to me. A DIST-UPGRADE might have >> messed things up, but not a straight upgrade. A straight upgrade >> doesn't install things you don't already have installed unless (I >> think) they're a dependency of something else you already have >> installed. IOW, you already had something on there that involved GDM, >> Gnome3 or PulseAudio. >> > > Funny, I did a full dist-upgrade on my debian-sid box yesterday, which > /remove/ GDM. But indeed, apt-get informs me before about any new > package, as well about any package it wish to remove. > So I switch to lightdm before the dist-upgrade. > By the way, you should be careful with a "straight upgrade" on debian > sid, better do a DIST-UPGRADE, because, for example, library?s could > come in new, non-compatible versions, which make it necessary to remove > older versions before they get replaced with newer ones (with changed > names). When you only do "straight upgrade", you will end up sooner or > later in a unstable system state. Hmm, have been doing just straight upgrades for many years now and haven't encountered an unstable system state. So far, if a straight upgrade has hit a situation where an upgraded package requires some new library with a different name, it lets me know and I can deal with it. I've done dist-upgrades in the past, and successfully had them hose installed systems, so I prefer periodic upgrades, generally sticking to only upgrading specific apps I use. But I run Aptosid, with turns Debian Sid into a very stable system. Aptosid does a good job of vetting package updates. I know a while ago they were blocking all Gnome updates because various core Gnome packages were in transition. Of course, the most important part of any upgrade is to make a good backup of the system partition before the upgrade! -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Dec 22 06:34:33 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:34:33 -1000 Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> Message-ID: <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> Setting up my shiny new laptop. i7 processor with hyperthreading. How to turn HT off? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From moshwe at gmail.com Sun Dec 22 06:57:47 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:57:47 +0200 Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: I turned it off in Bios. But if I may ask why not buy i5 processor and save some money. From what I know almost the only difference between them is that i7 has hyperthreading. On 22 ?Dec 2013 08:34, "david" wrote: > Setting up my shiny new laptop. i7 processor with hyperthreading. How to > turn HT off? > > -- > David > gnome at hawaii.rr.com > authenticity, honesty, community > http://dancingtreefrog.com > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Dec 22 07:24:20 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:24:20 -1000 Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <52B693A4.1090805@hawaii.rr.com> Too, late, already have the machine with the i7. I think it only cost $15 more than the i5 option. I this particular model's i5 base processor has a lower clock rate than the i7 started with. Just checked the BIOS. No option to turn of hyperthreading. On 12/21/2013 08:57 PM, Moshe Werner wrote: > I turned it off in Bios. > But if I may ask why not buy i5 processor and save some money. From what > I know almost the only difference between them is that i7 has > hyperthreading. > > On 22 ?Dec 2013 08:34, "david" wrote: > > Setting up my shiny new laptop. i7 processor with hyperthreading. > How to turn HT off? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From gheskett at wdtv.com Sun Dec 22 09:52:37 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:52:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <201312220452.37435.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Sunday 22 December 2013 04:50:21 david did opine: > Setting up my shiny new laptop. i7 processor with hyperthreading. How to > turn HT off? That in the two instances I did it, was a bios setting. You'd best check and see if a newer bios is also available. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page You ain't learning nothing when you're talking. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From david.santamauro at gmail.com Sun Dec 22 09:53:24 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 04:53:24 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <52B6B694.2090704@gmail.com> On 12/21/2013 06:45 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I > have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play > and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any decent > musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the score of this > song. Is there some piece of software that can help to do this? > > In case anyone is curious, the song is "Ohne Dich" by "The Bates". > > Regards, > Philipp > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > |: Bm D :| A |: Bm D :| A F# From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 10:21:31 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:21:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> Message-ID: <1387707691.653.49.camel@archlinux> Hi Will :) On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 22:23 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, they > installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio This belongs to Debian user, not to LAU. You likely had GNOME2 installed and perhaps you used synaptic and it was set up to install recommended packages automatically. However, more information is needed, to explain why this happened. As others already mentioned, don't upgrade without reading. Not only read what packages will change, removed or installed, also read release notes, take a look at the distro's homepage news, or simply have an ear to the ground what upstream is doing. Apropos upstream, the policy of Debian and the package management makes it much more complicated to keep an audio environment stable and up-to-date than for distros with another policy and another package management. I've got Ubuntu, Debian and Arch installed. What you want, likely is Arch Linux. Things can break for Arch Linux too, but not that easy as for Ubuntu and Debian and the packages for Arch follow upstream, they usually aren't split to several packages. Arch follows the KISS principle and the user has to set up everything on his/her own, so the user is aware what is set up in what way, etc. pp.. Regards, Ralf http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ From murks at tuxfamily.org Sun Dec 22 10:53:42 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:53:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <1387707691.653.49.camel@archlinux> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> <1387707691.653.49.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131222115342.6b89228c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:21:31 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi Will :) > > On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 22:23 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > > Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, they > > installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio > > This belongs to Debian user, not to LAU. You likely had GNOME2 > installed and perhaps you used synaptic and it was set up to install > recommended packages automatically. However, more information is > needed, to explain why this happened. As others already mentioned, > don't upgrade without reading. Not only read what packages will > change, removed or installed, also read release notes, take a look at > the distro's homepage news, or simply have an ear to the ground what > upstream is doing. Apropos upstream, the policy of Debian and the > package management makes it much more complicated to keep an audio > environment stable and up-to-date than for distros with another > policy and another package management. I've got Ubuntu, Debian and > Arch installed. What you want, likely is Arch Linux. Things can break > for Arch Linux too, but not that easy as for Ubuntu and Debian and > the packages for Arch follow upstream, they usually aren't split to > several packages. Arch follows the KISS principle and the user has to > set up everything on his/her own, so the user is aware what is set up > in what way, etc. pp.. > > Regards, > Ralf > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ On the other hand, Arch does introduce new dependencies all the time. In general the number of dependencies of any given package seems to increase, and the gnome stuff seems to be rather viral. It gets increasingly harder to run a gnome-free graphical system without going to greater length (modifying and building your own GTK3 without colord, polkit, at-spi2-atk etc.). This got annoying enough for me to get rid of gtk3 altogether, but more and more programs are built against it, which limits my options. In my opinion Arch has left the minimal and KISS ways by blindly adopting everything gnome and red hat releases. Regards, Philipp From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 12:15:50 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:15:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <20131222115342.6b89228c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> <1387707691.653.49.camel@archlinux> <20131222115342.6b89228c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <1387714550.653.123.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 11:53 +0100, Philipp ?berbacher mentions GTK3 as a serous issue. Hi Philipp :) Rui's applications are based on Qt. LXDE and Razor-Qt developers seemingly are working on LXDE-Qt. I try to get rid of as much GTK apps as possible and also try to avoid using a WM/DE based on GTK. Regarding to your claim about Arch, keep in mind that Arch does provide a FreeBSD port like build system named ABS ;). You can customize Arch much easier than Ubuntu and Debian, the source package approach is much more complicated. I'm _using_ *buntu, Debian and Arch, they are not just installed and not unused. Regards, Ralf PS: JFTR for GTK based environments I can remove GVFS, to get rid of the Green drive killer. What do I need to remove for e.g. KDE, Razor-Qt to get rid of the crap, that wakes up Green drives? From edogawa at aon.at Sun Dec 22 14:47:26 2013 From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:47:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 00:45:14 schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: > Hi there, > > I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I > have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play > and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any decent > musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the score of this > song. Is there some piece of software that can help to do this? > > In case anyone is curious, the song is "Ohne Dich" by "The Bates". While I can (and often do) transcribe songs i want to play on guitar, i usually start by googling the song title with an additional search term like chords, score, sheet music, lyrics, midifile etc. For your song I found this, alas for guitar, see if that helps you playing it on the piano. The picking pattern is easy, even if you don't play the guitar you should be able to determine the few notes involved. The chord progression is pretty simple anyway: http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/bates/ohne_dich_crd_844996id_06072009date.htm HTH, Edgar > Regards, > Philipp From murks at tuxfamily.org Sun Dec 22 15:27:19 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:27:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> Message-ID: <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:47:26 +0100 Edgar Aichinger wrote: > Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 00:45:14 schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: > > Hi there, > > > > I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I > > have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play > > and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any > > decent musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the > > score of this song. Is there some piece of software that can help > > to do this? > > > > In case anyone is curious, the song is "Ohne Dich" by "The Bates". > > While I can (and often do) transcribe songs i want to play on guitar, > i usually start by googling the song title with an additional search > term like chords, score, sheet music, lyrics, midifile etc. > > For your song I found this, alas for guitar, see if that helps you > playing it on the piano. The picking pattern is easy, even if you > don't play the guitar you should be able to determine the few notes > involved. The chord progression is pretty simple anyway: > > http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/bates/ohne_dich_crd_844996id_06072009date.htm > > HTH, Edgar Thanks, but I have no idea how to read those strange guitar thingies. Not sure what's easier, trying to translate this or trying to play the song by ear. Anyway, time to dust off the piano. Regards, Philipp From jh at brainiac.com Sun Dec 22 15:39:37 2013 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:39:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:45:14 +0100 Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > I'm a really bad musician. I can play simple songs on the piano if I > have the score. Now I know a nice little song that I'd like to play > and sing. It's just piano and vocals and I'm sure that for any decent > musician it would be a matter of minutes to figure out the score of this > song. Is there some piece of software that can help to do this? Chordify.net will take a song and try to work out the basic chords. It's a starting point... -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Sun Dec 22 15:45:23 2013 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:45:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013, at 03:39 PM, Joe Hartley wrote: > Chordify.net will take a song and try to work out the basic chords. Or try the Chordino Vamp plugin in Sonic Visualiser. (http://code.soundsoftware.ac.uk/projects/nnls-chroma) Chris From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 15:46:42 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:46:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <1387727202.653.176.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 16:27 +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:47:26 +0100 > Edgar Aichinger wrote: > > http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/bates/ohne_dich_crd_844996id_06072009date.htm > I have no idea how to read those strange guitar thingies. Not sure > what's easier, trying to translate this or trying to play the song by > ear. Anyway, time to dust off the piano. Assumed the author didn't confuse the tuning, something that often happens for generation x music, when they miss to care about dropped D tunings, a tablature is read like this: For example, if at the beginning there is an A, the 3 does mean A + 3 semi steps, IOW it's a C. d + 2 IOW is a E etc.. From jh at brainiac.com Sun Dec 22 15:54:40 2013 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:54:40 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:45:23 +0000 Chris Cannam wrote: > Or try the Chordino Vamp plugin in Sonic Visualiser. > (http://code.soundsoftware.ac.uk/projects/nnls-chroma) I learn something every day and this was a very good thing to learn! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 15:54:53 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:54:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1387727202.653.176.camel@archlinux> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <1387727202.653.176.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1387727693.653.179.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 16:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 16:27 +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:47:26 +0100 > > Edgar Aichinger wrote: > > > > http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/bates/ohne_dich_crd_844996id_06072009date.htm I noticed a mistake, it's written in German, so the b likely is a H, not a Bb, since an averaged guitar tuning is International: E A D G B E German: E A D G H E > > > I have no idea how to read those strange guitar thingies. Not sure > > what's easier, trying to translate this or trying to play the song by > > ear. Anyway, time to dust off the piano. > > Assumed the author didn't confuse the tuning, something that often > happens for generation x music, when they miss to care about dropped D > tunings, a tablature is read like this: > > For example, if at the beginning there is an A, the 3 does mean A + 3 > semi steps, IOW it's a C. d + 2 IOW is a E etc.. From edogawa at aon.at Sun Dec 22 15:59:15 2013 From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:59:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <1543935.dWfj1JGe3D@edhp> Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 16:27:19 schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: > Thanks, > but I have no idea how to read those strange guitar thingies. Not sure Well, on the left side of each horizontal line (representing guitar strings) you see a note name for the open string. A=440 is 5th fret on 1st (topmost) string. At any time location the numbers show at which fret the string has to be stopped; so just add the number you see, in semitones, to the open string note and you know the resulting pitch/musical note. The only thing not shown is the rhythm, for whatever reason - modern guitarists seem to be fine with that, probably because tabs usually are printed in parallel to musical score... Edgar > what's easier, trying to translate this or trying to play the song by > ear. Anyway, time to dust off the piano. > > Regards, > Philipp > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From murks at tuxfamily.org Sun Dec 22 16:06:19 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:06:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1387727202.653.176.camel@archlinux> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <1387727202.653.176.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131222170619.29fe1b1e@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:46:42 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 16:27 +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:47:26 +0100 > > Edgar Aichinger wrote: > > > > http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/bates/ohne_dich_crd_844996id_06072009date.htm > > > I have no idea how to read those strange guitar thingies. Not sure > > what's easier, trying to translate this or trying to play the song > > by ear. Anyway, time to dust off the piano. > > Assumed the author didn't confuse the tuning, something that often > happens for generation x music, when they miss to care about dropped D > tunings, a tablature is read like this: > > For example, if at the beginning there is an A, the 3 does mean A + 3 > semi steps, IOW it's a C. d + 2 IOW is a E etc.. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Thanks, I never played the guitar, so tabs are just gibberish to me. It turns out the English Wikipedia page is detailed enough to let me translate this thing to something I understand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar#Standard I guess there's not much timing information in there. The distance (or number of dashes) may mean something, but hard to say what exactly. Regards, Philipp From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 16:13:15 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:13:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222170619.29fe1b1e@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <8263986.n314JyRZMI@edhp> <20131222162719.54d015bf@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <1387727202.653.176.camel@archlinux> <20131222170619.29fe1b1e@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <1387728795.653.183.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 17:06 +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Thanks, > I never played the guitar, so tabs are just gibberish to me. > It turns out the English Wikipedia page is detailed enough to > let me translate this thing to something I understand: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar#Standard > > I guess there's not much timing information in there. The distance > (or number of dashes) may mean something, but hard to say what exactly. I don't know, since I don't know the song, but I suspect the author didn't know how to write a tab. "Repeat 2 times" usually is written as ||: :|| and there seems to be a confusion between B <=> H, Bb <=> B. Perhaps you find a better transcription than this one. From len at ovenwerks.net Sun Dec 22 16:23:03 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:23:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: <52B693A4.1090805@hawaii.rr.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> <52B693A4.1090805@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Dec 2013, david wrote: > Too, late, already have the machine with the i7. I think it only cost > $15 more than the i5 option. I this particular model's i5 base processor > has a lower clock rate than the i7 started with. > > Just checked the BIOS. No option to turn of hyperthreading. > In linux each hyperthread is treated as another core. So if you have 4 cores, it will look like 8 with hyperthreading on. Every second cpu that linux sees is a hyperthread. so you only want cpu 0,2,4,and 6. There is a kernel command line option to have the kernel ignore some cpus, get it to ignore cpu 1,3,5 and 7. I seem to be off line right now so I can't look it up. Ah, back up. isolcpus= cpu_number[, cpu_number,...] The blurb for that: "Remove the specified CPUs, as defined by the cpu_number values, from the general kernel SMP balancing and scheduler algroithms. The only way to move a process onto or off an "isolated" CPU is via the CPU affinity syscalls. cpu_number begins at 0, so the maximum value is 1 less than the number of CPUs on the system. This option is the preferred way to isolate CPUs. The alternative, manually setting the CPU mask of all tasks in the system, can cause problems and suboptimal load balancer performance." The place to add this to your system (if you don't want enter it every time you boot) is in GRUBs config. The best place to do this varies with the ditro. For example, I have found the best place to do this on a Ubuntu system is in /etc/default/grub.d/ as it does not interfere with upgrades. The place you will see mentioned more often is a file called /etc/default/grub Look for a line like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" and edit it (as root of course) to: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="isolcpus= 1,3,5,7" If you have more than 4 cores(6 or 8), I do not know if cpus higher than 9 are in hex or dec. If you wish to have grub menu options to boot either way.... I would guess it is time to learn more about GRUB :) It is easy to add menu items on a static system, but gets much harder on a system with lots of updates. Hmm, there seem to be a lot of irq options too. I wonder if they would be able to force better irq assignment within the system. I know telling the bios not to select irqs for USB gives better irq layout for me. Anyway, the list of kernel options I based this on is from: http://oreilly.com/linux/excerpts/9780596100797/kernel-boot-command-line-parameter-reference.html -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 16:50:17 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:50:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <52B6B694.2090704@gmail.com> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <52B6B694.2090704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1387731017.653.195.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 04:53 -0500, David Santamauro wrote: > |: Bm D :| A > |: Bm D :| A F# Assumed this is correct, just transposed, than the "Repeat two time" of the guitar tab is double wrong. With ||: :|| I meant that it's written one time "normal" + one time ||: :||. 1 + repeat 2 times = 3 times. The guitar tab by the link seems to be a very rough or perhaps completely wrong transcription. Transposed this way the E of the link wouldn't be a F# but a G. From edogawa at aon.at Sun Dec 22 17:09:19 2013 From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:09:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1387731017.653.195.camel@archlinux> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <52B6B694.2090704@gmail.com> <1387731017.653.195.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <2950079.5ZxTY4t3Ui@edhp> Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 17:50:17 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 04:53 -0500, David Santamauro wrote: > > |: Bm D :| A > > |: Bm D :| A F# > > Assumed this is correct, just transposed, than the "Repeat two time" of > the guitar tab is double wrong. With ||: :|| I meant that it's written > one time "normal" + one time ||: :||. 1 + repeat 2 times = 3 times. The > guitar tab by the link seems to be a very rough or perhaps completely > wrong transcription. Transposed this way the E of the link wouldn't be a > F# but a G. 1. David is right in that the song is in B-minor 2. I guess Philipp can work out the structure of the song and is not so much concerned about repeat signs or B<->H (the tab page i posted is written in english, for an international audience, I assume) 3. F# is correct, the dominant to Bm just like E is the dominant to Am 4. I listened to the song on YT now and i hear that the pianist uses a lot of additional notes inside the chords, mainly the ninth in Bm and D, as well as "walking thirds" like a-c#, b-d, c#-e at the transition from Bm to D, so that the Bm and D chords end up sounding with additional notes - Edgar > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 17:18:34 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:18:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1387731017.653.195.camel@archlinux> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <52B6B694.2090704@gmail.com> <1387731017.653.195.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1387732714.653.200.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 17:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 04:53 -0500, David Santamauro wrote: > > |: Bm D :| A > > |: Bm D :| A F# > Transposed this way the E of the link wouldn't be a F# but a G. My bad :D, better to grep an instrument before writing ;). From raine at iki.fi Sun Dec 22 17:36:21 2013 From: raine at iki.fi (Raine M. Ekman) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:36:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> Quoting Joe Hartley : > On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:45:23 +0000 > Chris Cannam wrote: > >> Or try the Chordino Vamp plugin in Sonic Visualiser. >> (http://code.soundsoftware.ac.uk/projects/nnls-chroma) > > I learn something every day and this was a very good thing to learn! And then there's Clam Chordata, too: http://clam-project.org/wiki/Chordata_tutorial -- raine at iki.fi http://www.mikseri.net/radioproject From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Dec 22 17:57:36 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:57:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <2950079.5ZxTY4t3Ui@edhp> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <52B6B694.2090704@gmail.com> <1387731017.653.195.camel@archlinux> <2950079.5ZxTY4t3Ui@edhp> Message-ID: <1387735056.653.209.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-12-22 at 18:09 +0100, Edgar Aichinger wrote: > 3. F# is correct, the dominant to Bm just like E is the dominant to Am Yep, in the meantime I grab a guitar and noticed my mistake. Playing it on the guitar by moving barr? chords is like writing 12 transposed notes below the 12 _not_ transposed notes. It's not only audible, playing guitar it's clearly visible too, that I made a mistake :D. A bronchitis shouldn't affect the ability to think. I fear that I didn't make music for a much too long time :S. From tito at online.de Sun Dec 22 18:19:01 2013 From: tito at online.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:19:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] sndfile-waveform: Issue with 6-channel audio Message-ID: <28CD25B2-9221-4107-B3B0-41B33943EC3F@online.de> Hi, apparently sndfile-waveform will drop channel 6 from a 6-channel input. Might be I'm missing something, of course. Robin, Erik? See https://github.com/erikd/sndfile-tools/issues/20 Thanks in advance for any hints, Wolfgang From bob at mellowood.ca Sun Dec 22 18:25:55 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:25:55 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> Message-ID: > And then there's Clam Chordata, too: > http://clam-project.org/wiki/Chordata_tutorial I'd never heard of this one. It was already in my Mint 15 repository ... so very simple to install. Wow ... the sucker works. It's certainly not perfect, but a very good start to figuring out the chords in a song. I'm impressed. And, no, I have no idea how it works. -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From atte at youmail.dk Sun Dec 22 18:29:53 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:29:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys/Snart kommer frelseren Message-ID: <52B72FA1.4050700@youmail.dk> Hi Fourth Sunday of advent. This weeks seasonal track is "Snart kommer frelseren", final touches done in renoise 3.0b1 https://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/snart-kommer-frelseren Hope you enjoy! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sun Dec 22 18:30:48 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:30:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... resolved In-Reply-To: <20131222004107.0b34152c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> <20131222004107.0b34152c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <20131222183048.617d37c1@debian> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:41:07 +0100 Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:23:42 +0000 > Will Godfrey wrote: > > > did the debian devs think they were doing? > > > > My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff > > or eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any > > changes, but thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up > > till now this has never been any kind of problem and usually results > > in some tiny overall improvements. > > > > Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, > > they installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my > > computer totally useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then > > log into recovery mode, find aptitude and delete the crap. > > > > I will never really trust debian again :( > > apt-get upgrade didn't show what it was planning to do? That sounds > unlikely, but if it did happen, then something is very wrong in > debian-land. > > Regards, > Philipp This turned out to be a minor cascade of issues. In the first place I should make the point that I've been using debian exclusively since the days of 'sarge'. My installs all follow the same pattern. I install just the minimum to get a terminal from which I can then install only what I want. I set up an autoloading single user (without admin privs), then pull in just enough of X to be able to run openbox and ROX filer, from then on I build up the audio system I want with (hopefully) the minimum of extraneous crud. I flagged this up here because it was (at that time) fundamentally my music making machine that was borked. As well as hoping for some suggestions as to how it happened I wanted to warn fellow musicians of a possible problem. When I did the upgrade I was somewhat lazy and used synaptic's 'mark all upgrades', with just a cursory glance to check that nothing dramatic was going to happen. At some point in time synaptic itself has gained another, pre-ticked, check box for enabling 'recommends' to be treated as dependencies. Putting a script in the apt directory to stop this action no longer works. Because GDM got installed, my basic start script was completely bypassed, leaving my machine in a totally unfamiliar state. There was no message to say that this was going to happen, and no reason for me to suspect that it might. I have another machine with a fairy similar install so used that to track (and block) exactly the sequence of events. One of the benefits of synaptic over using apt-get or even aptitude is that you can get it to very clearly display just the upgradeable packages, so I did this and one-by-one marked them for upgrade, looking for dependencies. Imagine my astonishment when openbox came up with an apparent dependency of both gnome-session and KDE-session. Gnome-session then had a dependency for GDM and Gnome desktop. To make matters worse, this was Gnome3. Gnome desktop has a dependency on pulse audio (spit). Openbox has absolutely no need for any of this stuff at all. It was an very fast responding and helpful guy on the openbox list who informed me that the debian maintainer had added the Gnome and KDE sessions to the openbox package as 'recommends'. Combined with synaptic (unknown to me) having the box checked for treating recommends as dependencies, the result was inevitable. I've since been informed that the change to the openbox package falls foul of the debian policy document, has been raised on a number of distro lists (but not UCOL) and has now been reverted. P.S. @ Robin Gareus Smug unhelpful side-swipe ... could do better. @ Ralf Mardorf Lots of assumptions there ... most of them wrong. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Dec 22 19:29:20 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:29:20 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Focusrite 2i2 and LAU Message-ID: Hi! I seem to have been booted off this mailing list sometime in October.. Not sure why. Anyway, I have a Focusrite 2i4 and hit some major problems with a kernel bug, which I think is the same problem you are reporting. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1185563 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1185563 The problems have now been fixed upstream. Seems to work OK on 3.11.0-14-lowlatency. Can't remember exactly which release fixed it tho. James From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Dec 22 19:50:07 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:50:07 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: No list mail coming thru! (gmail bounces) Message-ID: I noticed I have not been getting any emails thru from the list since October. I just checked my settings, and it seems that my preferences were auto-changed by listserv to "no mail" due to excessive bouncing. Not sure why my gmail address should be bouncing list emails. Any thoughts? James From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Sun Dec 22 19:57:50 2013 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (=?UTF-8?B?UGhpbCBIw6l6YWluZQ==?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:57:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <2950079.5ZxTY4t3Ui@edhp> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <52B6B694.2090704@gmail.com> <1387731017.653.195.camel@archlinux> <2950079.5ZxTY4t3Ui@edhp> Message-ID: <52B7443E.6010201@free.fr> Le 22/12/2013 18:09, Edgar Aichinger a ?crit : > [snip...] > Edgar Apologies to hijack the thread but seeing your name i remembered of an Allegro by Haendel you recorded with the guitar. Title: Allegro 1 Album: Suiten und Sonaten Genre: Early Music Despite searches I never get what are the complete reference for this piece. I think it's an arrangement from harpsichord work. Do you mind to send me the complete reference if possible? Phil. From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 22 20:03:54 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:03:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> <52B693A4.1090805@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <52B745AA.50208@autostatic.com> On 12/22/2013 05:23 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Dec 2013, david wrote: > >> Too, late, already have the machine with the i7. I think it only cost >> $15 more than the i5 option. I this particular model's i5 base >> processor has a lower clock rate than the i7 started with. >> >> Just checked the BIOS. No option to turn of hyperthreading. >> > In linux each hyperthread is treated as another core. So if you have 4 > cores, it will look like 8 with hyperthreading on. Every second cpu that > linux sees is a hyperthread. so you only want cpu 0,2,4,and 6. There is > a kernel command line option to have the kernel ignore some cpus, get it > to ignore cpu 1,3,5 and 7. I seem to be off line right now so I can't > look it up. Ah, back up. > isolcpus= cpu_number[, cpu_number,...] > > The blurb for that: > "Remove the specified CPUs, as defined by the cpu_number values, from > the general kernel SMP balancing and scheduler algroithms. The only way > to move a process onto or off an "isolated" CPU is via the CPU affinity > syscalls. cpu_number begins at 0, so the maximum value is 1 less than > the number of CPUs on the system. > > This option is the preferred way to isolate CPUs. The alternative, > manually setting the CPU mask of all tasks in the system, can cause > problems and suboptimal load balancer performance." > > The place to add this to your system (if you don't want enter it every > time you boot) is in GRUBs config. The best place to do this varies with > the ditro. For example, I have found the best place to do this on a > Ubuntu system is in /etc/default/grub.d/ as it does not interfere with > upgrades. > > The place you will see mentioned more often is a file called > /etc/default/grub Look for a line like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" and edit it > (as root of course) to: > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="isolcpus= 1,3,5,7" > > If you have more than 4 cores(6 or 8), I do not know if cpus higher than > 9 are in hex or dec. > > If you wish to have grub menu options to boot either way.... I would > guess it is time to learn more about GRUB :) It is easy to add menu > items on a static system, but gets much harder on a system with lots of > updates. > > Hmm, there seem to be a lot of irq options too. I wonder if they would > be able to force better irq assignment within the system. I know telling > the bios not to select irqs for USB gives better irq layout for me. > > Anyway, the list of kernel options I based this on is from: > http://oreilly.com/linux/excerpts/9780596100797/kernel-boot-command-line-parameter-reference.html > > > > -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net Hello Len, Thanks for the valuable information! If you don't mind I'll add it to http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system%20configuration I thought just disabling them like: CPU=( cpu1 cpu3 cpu5 cpu7 ) for i in "${CPU[@]}" do echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/$i/online done would do the trick too but on my own system I still can't go lower than -p128 so hopefully the isolcpus parameter improves stability. Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've now set up a rule to prevent it being marked as spam, but it still gives me a very annoying banner across the top of the emails saying that this email would have been put in the spam bin if I hadn't set up a rule to prevent it. There doesn't seem to be a way to set up a rule to prevent it from putting this banner on; no doubt they are afraid of infinitely recursive banners :-) Fritz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 22 20:11:51 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:11:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: No list mail coming thru! (gmail bounces) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52B74787.6080802@autostatic.com> On 12/22/2013 08:50 PM, James Stone wrote: > I noticed I have not been getting any emails thru from the list since > October. I just checked my settings, and it seems that my preferences > were auto-changed by listserv to "no mail" due to excessive bouncing. > > Not sure why my gmail address should be bouncing list emails. Any thoughts? > > James Hello James, Checked the logs but couldn't find anything relevant. The logs are rotating so the excessive bouncing must've happened before the retention period. Sorry I couldn't help you any further. Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From len at ovenwerks.net Sun Dec 22 21:09:33 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:09:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: <52B745AA.50208@autostatic.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> <52B693A4.1090805@hawaii.rr.com> <52B745AA.50208@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Dec 2013, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> This option is the preferred way to isolate CPUs. The alternative, >> manually setting the CPU mask of all tasks in the system, can cause >> problems and suboptimal load balancer performance." > > Thanks for the valuable information! If you don't mind I'll add it to > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system%20configuration I don't mind, it is not my info after all :) > > I thought just disabling them like: > > CPU=( cpu1 cpu3 cpu5 cpu7 ) > for i in "${CPU[@]}" > do > echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/$i/online > done > > would do the trick too but on my own system I still can't go lower than > -p128 so hopefully the isolcpus parameter improves stability. >From the bit above, it would appear that "turning the cpu off" while the system is running only stops the kernel from assigning new tasks to a cpu, but does not move threads already assigned to a new cpu. Concidering that you probably run that script pretty early at boot, probably everything assigned to those cpus is system and will run till shutdown. (just a guess on my part though) There are utilities that can push tasks from cpu to cpu, but I am not familiar with them. With hyperthreading on, i am still able to run my delta 66 at -p64 with no xruns. With hyperthreading off I can run the same card at -p16 with guitarix and no xruns. So hyperthreading only makes a difference (for me) below -p64. Of note, I moved the card to not only a clear irq PCI slot, but the pci slot with the highest clear irq. I had a midi interface in the next higher irq and had problems till I switched them around phyically. This is an older computer... single core P4 at 2.4Ghz and 2.5G ram. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From renato.fabbri at gmail.com Sun Dec 22 22:12:53 2013 From: renato.fabbri at gmail.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:12:53 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: GMANE and complex networks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear LAU, ::: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Renato Fabbri Date: 2013/12/20 Subject: GMANE and complex networks To: linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org Dear LAD, In studying complex network (a doctorate research), I got into interaction networks because of its utility for understanding social systems. This lead me to GMANE database: gmane.org in which LAD, LAU, LAA (i think), and about 20 thousand other lists are hosted as public and with data available via RSS. After experimentations with some lists, in writing results in an article format, I chose 4 lists: the GNU C++ stdlib development list (official perhaps), LAU, LAD and Metareciclagem, a gadget-media-activist list from Brazil. This article was sent to arXiv: arxiv.org/abs/1310.7769 and is currently being revised by authors, with latest version here: http://sourceforge.net/p/labmacambira/fimDoMundo/ci/master/tree/textos/evolutionSN/evsn.pdf?format=raw Some visualizations of these networks in evolution are in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t5jxQ8cKxM&list=PLf_EtaMqu3jU-1j4jiIUiyMqyVSzIYeh6 and: http://hera.ethymos.com.br:1080/redes/python/autoRede/escolheRedes.php Among all options available for doing this research, I chose LAD and LAU with esteem. This lists were quite helpful to me in many occasions, specially in the period 2005-2009. Anyway, this raises a question about this kind of analysis, if it is desirable, invasive in public lists/data. As they are publicly accessible, users should have access also to what kind of information one is able to extract from such data? Or should it be restricted to enterprises, government parties and individuals not sharing about it? I number participants, so names don't appear on results and even in the process of data mining, but should that be? Should that hold for public data? Of course, this discussion might make sense only when there are no aggressive intents, such as developing interfaces to expose someone, which is probably not cool in any case. Cheers! //r -- GNU/Linux User #479299 labmacambira.sf.net -- GNU/Linux User #479299 labmacambira.sf.net From edogawa at aon.at Sun Dec 22 22:23:37 2013 From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:23:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <52B7443E.6010201@free.fr> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <2950079.5ZxTY4t3Ui@edhp> <52B7443E.6010201@free.fr> Message-ID: <1624931.7KJiI1P5hY@edhp> Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 20:57:50 schrieb Phil H?zaine: > Le 22/12/2013 18:09, Edgar Aichinger a ?crit : > > [snip...] > > Edgar > > Apologies to hijack the thread but seeing your name i remembered of an > Allegro by Haendel you recorded with the guitar. > > Title: Allegro 1 > Album: Suiten und Sonaten > Genre: Early Music > > Despite searches I never get what are the complete reference for this > piece. I think it's an arrangement from harpsichord work. > Do you mind to send me the complete reference if possible? > Phil. It's from opus 1, nr. 4 - sonatas for alto recorder and basso continuo. Ages ago I bought an edition with arrangement for recorder and guitar, played it with several melody instrument partners (recorder, violin, oboe, traverse flute, made recordings with the oboist and also played the melody part myself on guitar on the recording you have heard, and later adapted the basso continuo for both renaissance and baroque lute. If you're interested I can scan the printed arrangement and send to you off-list, and eventually I'll upload the lute continuos in tabulature to my scribd page... Edgar From murks at tuxfamily.org Sun Dec 22 22:51:15 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:51:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: GMANE and complex networks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131222235115.0d40a0d5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:12:53 -0200 Renato Fabbri wrote: > Dear LAU, > > ::: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Renato Fabbri > Date: 2013/12/20 > Subject: GMANE and complex networks > To: linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org > > > Dear LAD, > > In studying complex network (a doctorate research), > I got into interaction networks because of its utility for > understanding social systems. > > This lead me to GMANE database: > gmane.org > in which LAD, LAU, LAA (i think), and about 20 thousand other lists > are hosted as public and with data available via RSS. > > After experimentations with some lists, in writing results in an > article format, I chose 4 lists: the GNU C++ stdlib development list > (official perhaps), LAU, LAD and Metareciclagem, a > gadget-media-activist list from Brazil. > This article was sent to arXiv: > arxiv.org/abs/1310.7769 > and is currently being revised by authors, with latest version here: > http://sourceforge.net/p/labmacambira/fimDoMundo/ci/master/tree/textos/evolutionSN/evsn.pdf?format=raw > Some visualizations of these networks in evolution are in: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t5jxQ8cKxM&list=PLf_EtaMqu3jU-1j4jiIUiyMqyVSzIYeh6 > and: > http://hera.ethymos.com.br:1080/redes/python/autoRede/escolheRedes.php > > Among all options available for doing this research, I chose LAD and > LAU with esteem. This lists were quite helpful to me in many > occasions, specially in the period 2005-2009. Anyway, this raises a > question about this kind of analysis, if it is desirable, invasive in > public lists/data. As they are publicly accessible, users should have > access also to what kind of information one is able to extract from > such data? Or should it be restricted to enterprises, government > parties and individuals not sharing about it? I number participants, > so names don't appear on results and even in the process of data > mining, but should that be? Should that hold for public data? > Of course, this discussion might make sense only when there are no > aggressive intents, such as developing interfaces to expose someone, > which is probably not cool in any case. > > Cheers! > //r > > > -- > GNU/Linux User #479299 > labmacambira.sf.net Hi Renato, I skimmed over the results and wonder what the purpose of this exercise was (besides the degree). What do the results tell you? I know that 'big data' and network analysis is all the hype, but I fail to see anything interesting there. Regards, Philipp From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Dec 22 23:24:33 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:24:33 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] RFI: Audio Technology magazine 100'th issue Message-ID: <52700.86.105.95.182.1387754673.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Hi, Audio Technology Magazine, issue 99, is requesting input as to: "What pieces of audio gear have come out in the last 16 years that have changed the way the game is played?" for their 100th issue. I'm not 100% on this but I'm pretty sure Linux has changed the game pretty significantly when it comes to running all the game changing audio gear. Inputs should be sent to: mark at audiotechnology.com.au - Just saying... Whatever. - Yo Momma, is sooo fat, her gravity causes tidal movement. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From len at ovenwerks.net Sun Dec 22 23:11:31 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:11:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] How to turn off hyperthreading? In-Reply-To: <52B745AA.50208@autostatic.com> References: <6980E69F-A451-4C58-99E8-CA3F96BCA0F5@frii.com> <52B49337.5090701@autostatic.com> <05AF604B-94EF-4009-9F7E-296D19BF4DD3@frii.com> <52B687F9.6070803@hawaii.rr.com> <52B693A4.1090805@hawaii.rr.com> <52B745AA.50208@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Dec 2013, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > would do the trick too but on my own system I still can't go lower than > -p128 so hopefully the isolcpus parameter improves stability. Just a thought (128 rings a bell)... Intel HDA audio seems to be limited to -p128 at -n2 or -p64 at -n3. Jack will not even start for me lower than that with them (I have two). Also if pulse is running... It can limit other cards to the same latency as an internal card has. Best to turn off internal cards in bios. I have found that even when they are turned off in pulse, a jack event can turn them back on. The way pulse works with jackd can be very useful, but it has issues. The user needs to be aware of them all. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From renato.fabbri at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 01:38:23 2013 From: renato.fabbri at gmail.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:38:23 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: GMANE and complex networks In-Reply-To: <20131222235115.0d40a0d5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222235115.0d40a0d5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: Hi Philipp, these SNA (Social Network Analysis) were so much the hype, don't really know if they shine so much these days. This is a work from the _physics_ point of view, as an attempt to observe natural laws (statistical physics, complex networks). In this sense, this poses a somewhat interesting question, as to how do or do not our interactions yield natural structures. These "natural structures" are found in gene, food, airport, bone cavities, sexual etc networks. In what way are these (email) interaction networks the same or different from these other networks, if in any sense? Are there good uses of these structures that the community can make? In a first attempt to characterize these interaction networks' topology, reported on the article, there were three main results: 1) stability in which criteria (measures) give better resolution for understanding (classifying) activity of these interaction networks (seen in PCA composition by original measures). Connectivity is mandatory, followed by asymmetries of participation and relations, and, in third place, stands clustering as formation of community structures ("all knows all"). 2) There is clear deviation from an uniform distribution of interaction. This deviation reveals 3 sectors: periphery (~80% participants), intermediary (15% participants) and hub sectors (~5% participants). Exact method for this division is detailed in text. Last pages of the article: http://sourceforge.net/p/labmacambira/fimDoMundo/ci/master/tree/textos/evolutionSN/evsn.pdf?format=raw has figures that exhibit this ternary division as networks evolves, within a fixed number of messages. 3) Stability of activity along time, with respect to seconds of a minute, minutes of an hour, days of the month. Concentration of activity along hours of the day, days of the week and months on the year. X) These results hold for all lists analysed, including all 4 lists selected for formal report. Thanks for pointing "big data", I did not mean to go that way, but for extracting information all my 8GB RAM is used, being selective at each run and running tens of times. ( These scripts: sourceforge.net/p/labmacambira/fimDoMundo/ci/master/tree/python/toolkitGMANE/ ) Regards, Renato 2013/12/22 Philipp ?berbacher : > On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:12:53 -0200 > Renato Fabbri wrote: > >> Dear LAU, >> >> ::: >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Renato Fabbri >> Date: 2013/12/20 >> Subject: GMANE and complex networks >> To: linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org >> >> >> Dear LAD, >> >> In studying complex network (a doctorate research), >> I got into interaction networks because of its utility for >> understanding social systems. >> >> This lead me to GMANE database: >> gmane.org >> in which LAD, LAU, LAA (i think), and about 20 thousand other lists >> are hosted as public and with data available via RSS. >> >> After experimentations with some lists, in writing results in an >> article format, I chose 4 lists: the GNU C++ stdlib development list >> (official perhaps), LAU, LAD and Metareciclagem, a >> gadget-media-activist list from Brazil. >> This article was sent to arXiv: >> arxiv.org/abs/1310.7769 >> and is currently being revised by authors, with latest version here: >> http://sourceforge.net/p/labmacambira/fimDoMundo/ci/master/tree/textos/evolutionSN/evsn.pdf?format=raw >> Some visualizations of these networks in evolution are in: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t5jxQ8cKxM&list=PLf_EtaMqu3jU-1j4jiIUiyMqyVSzIYeh6 >> and: >> http://hera.ethymos.com.br:1080/redes/python/autoRede/escolheRedes.php >> >> Among all options available for doing this research, I chose LAD and >> LAU with esteem. This lists were quite helpful to me in many >> occasions, specially in the period 2005-2009. Anyway, this raises a >> question about this kind of analysis, if it is desirable, invasive in >> public lists/data. As they are publicly accessible, users should have >> access also to what kind of information one is able to extract from >> such data? Or should it be restricted to enterprises, government >> parties and individuals not sharing about it? I number participants, >> so names don't appear on results and even in the process of data >> mining, but should that be? Should that hold for public data? >> Of course, this discussion might make sense only when there are no >> aggressive intents, such as developing interfaces to expose someone, >> which is probably not cool in any case. >> >> Cheers! >> //r >> >> >> -- >> GNU/Linux User #479299 >> labmacambira.sf.net > > Hi Renato, > I skimmed over the results and wonder what the purpose of this exercise > was (besides the degree). What do the results tell you? > > I know that 'big data' and network analysis is all the hype, but I fail > to see anything interesting there. > > Regards, > Philipp > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- GNU/Linux User #479299 labmacambira.sf.net From tito at online.de Mon Dec 23 07:37:37 2013 From: tito at online.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:37:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Opposite of attenuation Message-ID: <7167A28B-DB93-42AF-9C1D-728AF504B996@online.de> Struggling for the proper language: What's the opposite of the term "attenuation" in signal level context? Is it "amplification"? Context is a tool which will output info on Dolby's Cinema Sound processors (CP650/750). Those have a "main fader knob" which will attenuate or, well, amplify the input signal: range 0.0 (-90 dB) to 10.0 (+10 dB), 2 linear parts with a joining knee at 4.0 (-10 dB). Thanks, Wolfgang From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Mon Dec 23 08:01:34 2013 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (=?UTF-8?B?UGhpbCBIw6l6YWluZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:01:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1624931.7KJiI1P5hY@edhp> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <2950079.5ZxTY4t3Ui@edhp> <52B7443E.6010201@free.fr> <1624931.7KJiI1P5hY@edhp> Message-ID: <52B7EDDE.3070402@free.fr> Le 22/12/2013 23:23, Edgar Aichinger a ?crit : > Am Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2013, 20:57:50 schrieb Phil H?zaine: >> Le 22/12/2013 18:09, Edgar Aichinger a ?crit : >>> [snip...] >>> Edgar >> >> Apologies to hijack the thread but seeing your name i remembered of an >> Allegro by Haendel you recorded with the guitar. >> >> Title: Allegro 1 >> Album: Suiten und Sonaten >> Genre: Early Music >> >> Despite searches I never get what are the complete reference for this >> piece. I think it's an arrangement from harpsichord work. >> Do you mind to send me the complete reference if possible? >> Phil. > > It's from opus 1, nr. 4 - sonatas for alto recorder and basso continuo. > > Ages ago I bought an edition with arrangement for recorder and guitar, > played it with several melody instrument partners (recorder, violin, > oboe, traverse flute, made recordings with the oboist and also played the > melody part myself on guitar on the recording you have heard, and later > adapted the basso continuo for both renaissance and baroque lute. > > If you're interested I can scan the printed arrangement and send to you > off-list, and eventually I'll upload the lute continuos in tabulature to my > scribd page... > > Edgar Thanks very much for your kindness. I've found a score on IMSLP: Recorder_Sonata_in_A_minor,_HWV_362 which fits my expertise. I'm a keyboardist. I enjoy the Allegro and your recording. All the best. Phil. From kaspar.bumke at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 09:48:42 2013 From: kaspar.bumke at gmail.com (Kaspar Emanuel) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:48:42 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Opposite of attenuation In-Reply-To: <7167A28B-DB93-42AF-9C1D-728AF504B996@online.de> References: <7167A28B-DB93-42AF-9C1D-728AF504B996@online.de> Message-ID: Amplification sounds right. Or "gain" if you are talking about the number. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From czhenry at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 19:55:44 2013 From: czhenry at gmail.com (Charles Z Henry) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 13:55:44 -0600 Subject: [LAU] What on earth... In-Reply-To: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> References: <20131221222342.570c4892@debian> Message-ID: I've hosed my own system several times over. Sometimes it's not your fault, but you should pick the best tools for managing your packages (I'm surprised no one mentioned "aptitude" yet! You get to examine package conflicts and decide to accept/reject certain actions.) a brief tale of shared blame: I surf through my packages and see a newer version of libc6. Huh, okay--let's install it. No new packages listed (I should have checked the "removed packages"). Go! Then, I realize in horror that almost everything on my system has been uninstalled. Turns out all the dependency information did not carry over to the new libc package. It cost me a few hours to dig through the cache, generate a list of packages and run "apt-get" on the list. Chuck On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > did the debian devs think they were doing? > > My music machine is set up precisely as I want it with no spare fluff or > eye-candy, and fits my workflow like a glove. I seldom make any changes, > but > thought it high time I checked for upgraded packages. Up till now this has > never been any kind of problem and usually results in some tiny overall > improvements. > > Today was different. Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, they > installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my computer totally > useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then log into recovery mode, > find aptitude and delete the crap. > > I will never really trust debian again :( > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, >>> they installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio, thus rendering my >>> computer totally useless. The only thing I could do was reboot, then >>> log into recovery mode, find aptitude and delete the crap. >>> >>> I will never really trust debian again :( >> >> apt-get upgrade didn't show what it was planning to do? That sounds >> unlikely, but if it did happen, then something is very wrong in >> debian-land. >> >> Regards, >> Philipp > > This turned out to be a minor cascade of issues. > > In the first place I should make the point that I've been using debian > exclusively since the days of 'sarge'. My installs all follow the same pattern. > I install just the minimum to get a terminal from which I can then install only > what I want. I set up an autoloading single user (without admin privs), then > pull in just enough of X to be able to run openbox and ROX filer, from then on > I build up the audio system I want with (hopefully) the minimum of extraneous > crud. > > I flagged this up here because it was (at that time) fundamentally my music > making machine that was borked. As well as hoping for some suggestions as to > how it happened I wanted to warn fellow musicians of a possible problem. > > When I did the upgrade I was somewhat lazy and used synaptic's 'mark all > upgrades', with just a cursory glance to check that nothing dramatic was going > to happen. At some point in time synaptic itself has gained another, > pre-ticked, check box for enabling 'recommends' to be treated as dependencies. > Putting a script in the apt directory to stop this action no longer works. > > Because GDM got installed, my basic start script was completely bypassed, > leaving my machine in a totally unfamiliar state. There was no message to say > that this was going to happen, and no reason for me to suspect that it might. > > I have another machine with a fairy similar install so used that to track (and > block) exactly the sequence of events. One of the benefits of synaptic over > using apt-get or even aptitude is that you can get it to very clearly display > just the upgradeable packages, so I did this and one-by-one marked them for > upgrade, looking for dependencies. Imagine my astonishment when openbox came up > with an apparent dependency of both gnome-session and KDE-session. > Gnome-session then had a dependency for GDM and Gnome desktop. To make matters > worse, this was Gnome3. Gnome desktop has a dependency on pulse audio (spit). > > Openbox has absolutely no need for any of this stuff at all. > > It was an very fast responding and helpful guy on the openbox list who informed > me that the debian maintainer had added the Gnome and KDE sessions to the > openbox package as 'recommends'. Combined with synaptic (unknown to me) having > the box checked for treating recommends as dependencies, the result was > inevitable. > > I've since been informed that the change to the openbox package falls foul of > the debian policy document, has been raised on a number of distro lists (but > not UCOL) and has now been reverted. Hmm, just checked my Synaptic setups here. The existing ones from Aptosid on the desktop and the old laptop don't have recommended packages as dependencies. The one on the new laptop (Ubuntu 13.10 just updated a few days ago) is set to treat recommended packages as dependencies. Thanks for mentioning it, just unchecked it there! Sneaky little thing for the Synaptic maintainers to do. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 24 02:08:45 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:08:45 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> Message-ID: <52B8ECAD.4060505@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/22/2013 07:36 AM, Raine M. Ekman wrote: > Quoting Joe Hartley : > >> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:45:23 +0000 >> Chris Cannam wrote: >> >>> Or try the Chordino Vamp plugin in Sonic Visualiser. >>> (http://code.soundsoftware.ac.uk/projects/nnls-chroma) >> >> I learn something every day and this was a very good thing to learn! > > And then there's Clam Chordata, too: > http://clam-project.org/wiki/Chordata_tutorial I'll have to try that, just for fun. Back on the original topic, several years ago, I tested a commercial Windows audio-to-midi converter. It did a fine job recognizing every note in a commercial song with multiple instruments and a full orchestra. It put all the notes on the same track, making the results completely useless. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 24 03:24:37 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 04:24:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <52B8ECAD.4060505@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> <52B8ECAD.4060505@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <1387855477.4113.17.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 16:08 -1000, david wrote: > It did a fine job recognizing every note in a commercial song with > multiple instruments and a full orchestra. > > It put all the notes on the same track, making the results completely > useless. Even if it should work, music isn't just notes and rhythm, there's some kind of voodoo too ... impossible to script something like the bass for this song McCoy Tyner & Bobby Hutcherson - African Village Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryOzXQkFO5Q :) From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 08:35:21 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:35:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] VIDEO OT: ffmpeg In-Reply-To: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> References: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52B94749.7080900@gmail.com> On 21/12/13 11:45, Atte wrote: > Hi > > I have two boxes running crunchbang, one has been 'infected' with > software from non standard repos. > > Downgrading (removing, installing) ffmpeg to the older, official version > on the infected box I get this: By the way on Debian (so I guess this would apply also to Crunchbang) compiling the 'real' ffmpeg is rather straightforward. I did it by following the official guide [1]. Lorenzo. [1] https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 24 08:41:52 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:41:52 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1387855477.4113.17.camel@archlinux> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> <52B8ECAD.4060505@hawaii.rr.com> <1387855477.4113.17.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52B948D0.1050404@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/23/2013 05:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 16:08 -1000, david wrote: >> It did a fine job recognizing every note in a commercial song with >> multiple instruments and a full orchestra. >> >> It put all the notes on the same track, making the results completely >> useless. > > Even if it should work, music isn't just notes and rhythm, there's some > kind of voodoo too ... impossible to script something like the bass for > this song > > McCoy Tyner & Bobby Hutcherson - African Village Part 2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryOzXQkFO5Q > > :) Well, a good score is an indication of how something should be played, not every single little detail. It leaves such important components up to the individual performer. I'm really disappointed by a number of people who've learned to play by listening to others' performances; they seem to have difficulty coming up with their own sound, or show a strong propensity for sounding just like the performer they "learned" from. Most commercial pop music seems to think that's the way it's supposed to be, though. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Tue Dec 24 09:04:50 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 22:04:50 +1300 Subject: [LAU] VIDEO OT: ffmpeg In-Reply-To: <52B94749.7080900@gmail.com> References: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> <52B94749.7080900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131224090450.GA21054@tal> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 09:35:21AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > By the way on Debian (so I guess this would apply also to > Crunchbang) compiling the 'real' ffmpeg is rather straightforward. I > did it by following the official guide [1]. > > Lorenzo. > > [1] https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide JFTR. Don't confuse Debian and Ubuntu. 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URL: From murks at tuxfamily.org Tue Dec 24 11:00:31 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:00:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <52B948D0.1050404@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> <52B8ECAD.4060505@hawaii.rr.com> <1387855477.4113.17.camel@archlinux> <52B948D0.1050404@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20131224120031.2bdf41c6@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:41:52 -1000 david wrote: > On 12/23/2013 05:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 16:08 -1000, david wrote: > >> It did a fine job recognizing every note in a commercial song with > >> multiple instruments and a full orchestra. > >> > >> It put all the notes on the same track, making the results > >> completely useless. > > > > Even if it should work, music isn't just notes and rhythm, there's > > some kind of voodoo too ... impossible to script something like the > > bass for this song > > > > McCoy Tyner & Bobby Hutcherson - African Village Part 2 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryOzXQkFO5Q > > > > :) > > Well, a good score is an indication of how something should be > played, not every single little detail. It leaves such important > components up to the individual performer. I'm really disappointed by > a number of people who've learned to play by listening to others' > performances; they seem to have difficulty coming up with their own > sound, or show a strong propensity for sounding just like the > performer they "learned" from. Most commercial pop music seems to > think that's the way it's supposed to be, though. Although coming up with something 'own' just by varying something existing can be a lot of fun. I'm a very lazy beginner on the piano and know only a handful of songs, I'm generally too lazy to learn new ones. However, I got bored with those and started to vary the rhythm, speed, loudness, lots of small things, and those simple songs can take on moods between depressing and happy, without changing a single key. This was quite a rewarding experience. Regards, Philipp From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 24 11:31:30 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:31:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <52B948D0.1050404@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> <52B8ECAD.4060505@hawaii.rr.com> <1387855477.4113.17.camel@archlinux> <52B948D0.1050404@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <1387884690.5471.32.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 22:41 -1000, david wrote: > I'm really disappointed by a number of people who've learned to play > by listening to others' performances; they seem to have difficulty > coming up with their own sound David, I only half agree, you're right, but there's a good reason for not playing music your own style. Usually they do it, because they want feedback, they don't get with their own sound. If you do something new, less people understand this, if you imitate something, people are able to understand what you do. Imagine when you was young. Go tell your parents that you want to become a professional musician, you need an evidence to show them that you are able to be a professional musician. If you tell your parents that you want to become a banker no evidence is needed. However, you can't play your own compositions, you need to play music from musicians that are known to be geniuses. Musical evolution is much slower than other evolutions, because some people won't eat anything they've never seen before. A prophet has no honor in his own country. If you tell your parents, teachers etc. that you want to become a painter (artist), they recommend to become a house-painter and decorator or car varnisher instead. It's a long and hard way before you are allowed to make your own music, to paint your own pictures. Regards, Ralf From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Dec 24 13:29:31 2013 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:29:31 -0500 Subject: [LAU] OT: No list mail coming thru! (gmail bounces) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201312240829.32069.zotz@100jamz.com> On Tuesday 24 December 2013 05:39:06 Federico Bruni wrote: > 2013/12/22 Fritz Meissner > > > My gmail account regularly marks LAU as spam, > > yes, I confirm it > not all the messages are marked as spam, but it happens quite often (this > conversation was marked as spam) Happens here as well and it doesn't seem to learn when I keep marking them as non-spam. Is there someone who subscribed then couldn't figure out how to unsubscribe and keeps marking list mails as spam? Some other explanation? all the best, drew From david.santamauro at gmail.com Tue Dec 24 14:20:36 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:20:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Easiest way to extract score from an audio file In-Reply-To: <1387884690.5471.32.camel@archlinux> References: <20131222004514.4f083ea5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131222103937.8c63407af08a5fcc3203cb98@brainiac.com> <1387727123.11351.62598149.3DCED7C5@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20131222105440.f9ea962301d323da90728eda@brainiac.com> <20131222193621.0af1l7trksss044w@webmail1.abo.fi> <52B8ECAD.4060505@hawaii.rr.com> <1387855477.4113.17.camel@archlinux> <52B948D0.1050404@hawaii.rr.com> <1387884690.5471.32.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52B99834.2040000@gmail.com> On 12/24/2013 06:31 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-23 at 22:41 -1000, david wrote: >> I'm really disappointed by a number of people who've learned to play >> by listening to others' performances; they seem to have difficulty >> coming up with their own sound In my opinion, learning and mimicking styles (and performances thereof) are core staples of all musical training (along with theory). It is the way in which these styles form the basis of a more developed or even "new" style that separates mediocrity from genius. > you're right, but there's a good reason for not playing music your own > style. There are others, e.g., you are learning an instrument, you make your living playing covers, you are a classical musician adhering to a particular performance practice (based on period/genre) etc. > Usually they do it, because they want feedback, they don't get with > their own sound. If you do something new, less people understand this, > if you imitate something, people are able to understand what you do. Gross over-generalization ... see other, less vain and more practical reasons above. > Imagine when you was young. Go tell your parents that you want to become > a professional musician, you need an evidence to show them that you are > able to be a professional musician. If you tell your parents that you > want to become a banker no evidence is needed. However, you can't play > your own compositions, you need to play music from musicians that are > known to be geniuses. Another gross over-generalization with a flawed analogy. I believe a particular response to the question of a child's hopes and dreams depends on your parent/guardian. > If you tell your parents, teachers etc. that you want to become a > painter (artist), they recommend to become a house-painter and decorator > or car varnisher instead. I'm glad I nor any of my childhood friends didn't have that type of parent or teacher. > It's a long and hard way before you are allowed to make your own music, > to paint your own pictures. There is no long, hard road to self-style. Perhaps you meant the long road to fame and fortune. David From gurusonic at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 02:45:50 2013 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 13:45:50 +1100 Subject: [LAU] OT: No list mail coming thru! (gmail bounces) In-Reply-To: <201312240829.32069.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <201312240829.32069.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: <52BA46DE.3060805@gmail.com> On 25/12/13 00:29, drew Roberts wrote: > On Tuesday 24 December 2013 05:39:06 Federico Bruni wrote: >> 2013/12/22 Fritz Meissner >> >>> My gmail account regularly marks LAU as spam, >> yes, I confirm it >> not all the messages are marked as spam, but it happens quite often (this >> conversation was marked as spam) > Happens here as well and it doesn't seem to learn when I keep marking them as > non-spam. > > Is there someone who subscribed then couldn't figure out how to unsubscribe > and keeps marking list mails as spam? Some other explanation? > > all the best, > > drew > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > In Gmail settings set up a new filter for LAU and set it to "Never mark as spam". I just set it up yesterday after reading this thread so not sure how well it works yet. I too was losing a few, but not all, list mails to the spam filter. From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 11:15:00 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:15:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] VIDEO OT: ffmpeg In-Reply-To: <20131224090450.GA21054@tal> References: <52B57160.8060004@youmail.dk> <52B94749.7080900@gmail.com> <20131224090450.GA21054@tal> Message-ID: <52BABE34.6060903@gmail.com> On 24/12/13 10:04, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 09:35:21AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> By the way on Debian (so I guess this would apply also to >> Crunchbang) compiling the 'real' ffmpeg is rather straightforward. I >> did it by following the official guide [1]. >> >> Lorenzo. >> >> [1] https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide > > JFTR. Don't confuse Debian and Ubuntu. Although Ubuntu is *based* on > Debian, they are not the same. > I am totally aware of the difference. The permalink might be confusing. The title of the guide is: "Compile FFmpeg on Ubuntu, Debian, or Mint" Merry Christmas :) Lorenzo. From renato.fabbri at gmail.com Wed Dec 25 18:50:00 2013 From: renato.fabbri at gmail.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 16:50:00 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: GMANE and complex networks In-Reply-To: <20131225174546.2f25dcdb@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131222235115.0d40a0d5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131223124705.30045d0e@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <20131225174546.2f25dcdb@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: Ok. back to the list then. 2013/12/25 Philipp ?berbacher : > On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:24:26 -0200 > Renato Fabbri wrote: > >> These results show some stable characteristics of these networks. What >> can be done with these are under research, by researchers around the >> world. We can think about ways to enhance information collection and >> diffusion, including >> independent media, for and from the community. Just one possibility. >> >> Don't bother about being aggressive, it is cool. Besides that, you >> gave me the opportunity >> to better explain the work on the list. I miss the list in our >> messages, though. Did you >> send me a pvt message on purpose? >> >> Regards, >> Renato > > Oh, sorry, my mail client replies to the personal email if the list is > only in CC, and I tend to forget to check. It was all intended for the > list. > > Regards, > Philipp -- GNU/Linux User #479299 labmacambira.sf.net From brummer- at web.de Thu Dec 26 12:35:02 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:35:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] new capture lv2 plug Message-ID: <52BC2276.3060005@web.de> Hi I've just uploaded a new lv2 plug, which will capture the audio stream to file. It comes without GUI, so the host need to provide the UI. It includes a mono and a stereo version, supported are .wav and .ogg format, via libsndfile http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ The plug will create a directory in your home (lv2record) were it puts the records. It will check if a file exist and create a file-name to ensure no file get overwritten. A makefile is included, but no checks for dependency?s (libsndfile is needed) you can get the source here: https://github.com/brummer10/screcord.lv2 greets hermann From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Dec 26 16:59:14 2013 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 17:59:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] new capture lv2 plug In-Reply-To: <52BC2276.3060005@web.de> References: <52BC2276.3060005@web.de> Message-ID: <52BC6062.3010504@gmx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, cool idea which might turn out to be very useful :D Flo On 26.12.2013 13:35, hermann meyer wrote: > Hi > > I've just uploaded a new lv2 plug, which will capture the audio > stream to file. It comes without GUI, so the host need to provide > the UI. It includes a mono and a stereo version, supported are .wav > and .ogg format, via libsndfile > http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ > > The plug will create a directory in your home (lv2record) were it > puts the records. It will check if a file exist and create a > file-name to ensure no file get overwritten. > > A makefile is included, but no checks for dependency?s (libsndfile > is needed) > > you can get the source here: > > https://github.com/brummer10/screcord.lv2 > > greets hermann _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSvGBcAAoJEA5f4Coltk8ZGgYIAJH61owvo6Sm3i6e02R/ccId lu2uIV6ndQ5/nfsdU2ypWvk/aXXM7Ns0fPS0ITQdRjPHnXzbl4YX7jA4g/Nz2vo8 gphVGVhqR9ltbDh2xve2feKF2+PNMjnDJuw89SdYfnWD3I+7S3pji/ti+SmMqfVi rflNHoR2+8XAPhjER3FdwA7ZJ39evZpARxWumC+NagUdp5xe5fUdfTj7zxEphKI3 Ri6Hbc/7WLWWIuyn8ZoSvfbpPlSZFjMKIqHYmVMcTYAM9+Gh7dHuVZlMEtS8itUf mSHoYxP+dDTff6mxRFI06YJKAw5O48/+Fj0AKr8Qx+u+M4Ee75c+AvH9hnVP+Ew= =SmZt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From saul at atonic.com Thu Dec 26 21:21:26 2013 From: saul at atonic.com (Saul Rayson) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 21:21:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] svn relocate (Ubuntu Studio) Message-ID: Hi All, Is there a way of checking svn relocate has been successful as described here: http://supercollider.github.io/development/quarks-repository-moved.html Thanks for any help. 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I am relocating by doing: svn switch --relocate https://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quarks/https://svn.code.sf.net/p/quarks/code as described here: http://supercollider.github.io/development/quarks-repository-moved.html But when I check with svn info the URL appears still to be: https://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quarks (see below) subs at Black:~/.local/share/SuperCollider/quarks$ svn info Path: . URL: https://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quarks Repository Root: https://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quarks Repository UUID: fa718440-f913-0410-aee0-f13028b3a0f0 Revision: 2491 Node Kind: directory Schedule: normal Depth: files Last Changed Author: cruxxial Last Changed Rev: 2491 Last Changed Date: 2012-11-12 21:07:58 +0000 (Mon, 12 Nov 2012) Am I missing something obvious here I do question the svn switch should it be just the new ULR? Thanks again for any help. 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URL: From saul at atonic.com Sat Dec 28 10:16:16 2013 From: saul at atonic.com (Saul Rayson) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:16:16 +0000 Subject: [LAU] svn relocate (Ubuntu Studio) In-Reply-To: References: <20131228014940.2205cf6d@exometheus.fritz.box> Message-ID: Hi All, Thanks Arve that has solved my relocation. I'm still having an issue with gnome-keyring. Which I think is a know bug on Ubuntu 12.04. I've mail the ubuntu studio list about this but any help always appreciated. Thanks again, Saul On 28 December 2013 09:34, Arve Barsnes wrote: > On 28 December 2013 10:25, Saul Rayson wrote: > >> Hi Marije >> >> Thanks for your response, I'm still having a few issues. >> I am relocating by doing: >> >> svn switch --relocate >> https://quarks.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quarks/https://svn.code.sf.net/p/quarks/code >> >> Am I missing something obvious here I do question the svn switch should >> it be just the new ULR? >> >> >> The relocate switch requires both URLs. Your pasted command needs to add > a space between the two URLs, that might be your error. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brummer- at web.de Sat Dec 28 14:07:41 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:07:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] new capture lv2 plug In-Reply-To: <52BC6062.3010504@gmx.net> References: <52BC2276.3060005@web.de> <52BC6062.3010504@gmx.net> Message-ID: <52BEDB2D.3020602@web.de> Am 26.12.2013 17:59, schrieb Florian Paul Schmidt: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > cool idea which might turn out to be very useful :D > > Flo Thanks, I hope so. Initially I wrote it as guitarix plug, were I use it to capture unprocessed (mono) and processed (stereo) sound, then I think others might like to do the same outside of guitarix, so I port it to LV2. greets hermann > On 26.12.2013 13:35, hermann meyer wrote: >> Hi >> >> I've just uploaded a new lv2 plug, which will capture the audio >> stream to file. It comes without GUI, so the host need to provide >> the UI. It includes a mono and a stereo version, supported are .wav >> and .ogg format, via libsndfile >> http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ >> >> The plug will create a directory in your home (lv2record) were it >> puts the records. It will check if a file exist and create a >> file-name to ensure no file get overwritten. >> >> A makefile is included, but no checks for dependency?s (libsndfile >> is needed) >> >> you can get the source here: >> >> https://github.com/brummer10/screcord.lv2 >> >> greets hermann _______________________________________________ >> From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Sat Dec 28 14:37:52 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:37:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released Message-ID: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> Seasons greetings all! Just a quick announcement to any that didn't know, the Fedora Jam spin has been released alongside Fedora 20. In Linux audio terms, there's not too many surprises here. We have simply tried to keep all of our packages up to date with upstream. Notable additions/updates: Ardour 3 replaces Ardour2 (on the media only: Ardour 2.x is still available in the repos), the new x42 plugins from Robin Gareus, Harry's Open Av plugin suite and we've also added Mup music notation. The repositories also contain the awesome new guitarix plugins, definitely worth checking out. We have tried to ship the latest release of everything, however there have been a few upstream releases that have occurred post publication freeze, so expect a number of updates in the next few weeks. For a synopsis of all included packages you can click here [1], and you can grab an ISO from here [2] PlanetCCRMA has also been updated in record time, so go here [3] to add your RT kernel, linuxsampler, supercollider, puredata and others not included on the spin. Want to help us make the spin better or just have questions/want to chat about the spin? Join our mailing list here [4] or jump on irc #fedora-audio Happy new year all! Brendan [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_jam#Included_Packages [2] http://spins.fedoraproject.org/jam-kde/ [3] http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ [4] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music From david.santamauro at gmail.com Sat Dec 28 15:26:19 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:26:19 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jack -> net driver Message-ID: <52BEED9B.9080602@gmail.com> Hi, I have jack running on a windows machine with the net driver (slave). The master is fedora 18. The relevant incantations (taken from .jackdrc) are: Master: jackd -S -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n3 -H -M -Xseq Slave: jackd -X winmme -dnet -i2 -o2 -C8 -P24 -i8 ... both controlled by qjackctl This has been working pretty flawlessly for a few months but when I noticed with a certain instrument on the slave there was some midi latency, I decided to try fiddling with master -p (frames/period). I shut both slave and master down, changed period from 256 -> 128 and fired up the master -- all great, played some music , made a few live recordings etc. Then I started the slave (same command line) and noticed massive xruns (on the slave) -- so ... I change it all back to -p 256 but the xruns are still present (on the slave). Poking around a bit, I opened up the "options" on the master and it says Frames/Period: 256, I open up options on the slave, and it is grayed out but says: Frames/Period: 512. My questions are simply: 1) is qjackctl reporting this correctly on the slave? 2) if so, how or why would they be different? 3) is this why I'm seeing massive xruns? Any help appreciated. David From david.santamauro at gmail.com Sat Dec 28 16:06:17 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:06:17 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jack -> net driver In-Reply-To: <52BEED9B.9080602@gmail.com> References: <52BEED9B.9080602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52BEF6F9.8090904@gmail.com> .. answering myself ... On 12/28/2013 10:26 AM, David Santamauro wrote: > Then I started the slave (same command line) and noticed massive xruns > (on the slave) -- so ... I change it all back to -p 256 but the xruns > are still present (on the slave). > > Poking around a bit, I opened up the "options" on the master and it says > Frames/Period: 256, I open up options on the slave, and it is grayed out > but says: Frames/Period: 512. > > My questions are simply: > > 1) is qjackctl reporting this correctly on the slave? No, qjackctl is displaying some old values, opening up the Messages window -> Status tab shows the correct value (256) > 3) is this why I'm seeing massive xruns? nope ... while looking at the Status tab I noticed DSP load was between 95% and 100%. I found the offending windows program and all is well again. From rob at rektau.ukfsn.org Sat Dec 28 17:25:19 2013 From: rob at rektau.ukfsn.org (Rob) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:25:19 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jack -> net driver In-Reply-To: <52BEF6F9.8090904@gmail.com> References: <52BEED9B.9080602@gmail.com> <52BEF6F9.8090904@gmail.com> Message-ID: David Santamauro wrote: > >.. answering myself ... > >On 12/28/2013 10:26 AM, David Santamauro wrote: > >> Then I started the slave (same command line) and noticed massive >xruns >> (on the slave) -- so ... I change it all back to -p 256 but the xruns >> are still present (on the slave). >> >> Poking around a bit, I opened up the "options" on the master and it >says >> Frames/Period: 256, I open up options on the slave, and it is grayed >out >> but says: Frames/Period: 512. >> >> My questions are simply: >> >> 1) is qjackctl reporting this correctly on the slave? > >No, qjackctl is displaying some old values, opening up the Messages >window -> Status tab shows the correct value (256) > >> 3) is this why I'm seeing massive xruns? > >nope ... while looking at the Status tab I noticed DSP load was between > >95% and 100%. I found the offending windows program and all is well >again Out of curiosity what software are you running on each OS? Rob From david.santamauro at gmail.com Sat Dec 28 17:56:44 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:56:44 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jack -> net driver In-Reply-To: References: <52BEED9B.9080602@gmail.com> <52BEF6F9.8090904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52BF10DC.9060804@gmail.com> Hi Rob, On 12/28/2013 12:25 PM, Rob wrote: > David Santamauro wrote: >> >> .. answering myself ... >> >> On 12/28/2013 10:26 AM, David Santamauro wrote: >> >>> Then I started the slave (same command line) and noticed massive >> xruns >>> (on the slave) -- so ... I change it all back to -p 256 but the xruns >>> are still present (on the slave). >>> >>> Poking around a bit, I opened up the "options" on the master and it >> says >>> Frames/Period: 256, I open up options on the slave, and it is grayed >> out >>> but says: Frames/Period: 512. >>> >>> My questions are simply: >>> >>> 1) is qjackctl reporting this correctly on the slave? >> >> No, qjackctl is displaying some old values, opening up the Messages >> window -> Status tab shows the correct value (256) >> >>> 3) is this why I'm seeing massive xruns? >> >> nope ... while looking at the Status tab I noticed DSP load was between >> >> 95% and 100%. I found the offending windows program and all is well >> again > > > Out of curiosity what software are you running on each OS? I just finished building a semi-stable working environment made up of: Linux: - jackd - patchage (to visualize and manage the connection graph) - jkmeter, gmidimonitor - non-session-manager (and the ever essential JACKPatch, without which I would have given up on linux audio) - ardour3 for all live recordings and all mixing -- just starting to be able to see it as stable replacement for Sonar X1. I miss some things for sure and had to fall back to X1 a few times for a paid job with a deadline, but ... it's almost there and high time for me to contribute some $$. Windows: - loopbe30 (virtual midi ports) - jackd - Plogue Bidule (vst host and connection routing manager) - Various software instruments e.g., EastWest, Vienna Instruments, Garritan etc. - Notion4 (notation software) The rest are becoming obsolete: - Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 (very impressive piece of software) - Sonar X1 I've had success using wine and/or vsthost for many of my windows VSTs but the major deal breakers were always eastwest and vienna because they require a dongle so I just manage all windows stuff in windows and route everything using jackd(net). David From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Dec 28 19:45:23 2013 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:45:23 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52BF2A53.3060800@localhost> On 12/28/2013 06:37 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: > Seasons greetings all! > > Just a quick announcement to any that didn't know, the Fedora Jam spin > has been released alongside Fedora 20. Amazing work by Brendan and all others! > For a synopsis of all included packages you can click here [1], and you > can grab an ISO from here [2] > > PlanetCCRMA has also been updated in record time, so go here [3] to add > your RT kernel, linuxsampler, supercollider, puredata and others not > included on the spin. Actually pd-extended is still missing in action for Fedora 20. If anyone out there has a patch to build it with Lua 5.2 let me know (it currently needs Lua 5.1 and Fedora ships with 5.2)... Best, -- Fernando From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Sat Dec 28 21:03:03 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 22:03:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: <52BF3C1A.3040809@gmail.com> References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> <52BF3C1A.3040809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52BF3C87.8010903@gmail.com> On 12/28/2013 10:01 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 12/28/2013 08:38 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: >> You might consider adding MMA to the repository. For some reason >> (probably 'cause I have no friends :) ) it's not in the debian, but >> lots of folks seem to be using/enjoying. >> >> http://www.mellowood.ca/mma >> > Thanks for the headsup. Some new packagers incubating and I will let > them know! > Oops, to the list as well... From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Dec 28 21:52:26 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:52:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: <52BF3C87.8010903@gmail.com> References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> <52BF3C1A.3040809@gmail.com> <52BF3C87.8010903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131228215226.159669c6@debian> On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 22:03:03 +0100 Brendan Jones wrote: > On 12/28/2013 10:01 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: > > On 12/28/2013 08:38 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: > >> You might consider adding MMA to the repository. For some reason > >> (probably 'cause I have no friends :) ) it's not in the debian, but > >> lots of folks seem to be using/enjoying. > >> > >> http://www.mellowood.ca/mma > >> > > Thanks for the headsup. Some new packagers incubating and I will let > > them know! > > > > Oops, to the list as well... Well! I now have a somewhat disturbing mental image of 'incubating packagers' :o -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Sat Dec 28 22:19:54 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 23:19:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: <20131228215226.159669c6@debian> References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> <52BF3C1A.3040809@gmail.com> <52BF3C87.8010903@gmail.com> <20131228215226.159669c6@debian> Message-ID: <52BF4E8A.80207@gmail.com> On 12/28/2013 10:52 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 22:03:03 +0100 > Brendan Jones wrote: > >> On 12/28/2013 10:01 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: >>> On 12/28/2013 08:38 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: >>>> You might consider adding MMA to the repository. For some reason >>>> (probably 'cause I have no friends :) ) it's not in the debian, but >>>> lots of folks seem to be using/enjoying. >>>> >>>> http://www.mellowood.ca/mma >>>> >>> Thanks for the headsup. Some new packagers incubating and I will let >>> them know! >>> >> >> Oops, to the list as well... > > Well! > > I now have a somewhat disturbing mental image of 'incubating packagers' :o > Yes they are currently trapped in a small white room with Richard Stallman vids on repeat. Those that aren't terminally disturbed are released into the wild... From martin.peach at sympatico.ca Sat Dec 28 22:20:51 2013 From: martin.peach at sympatico.ca (Martin Peach) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 17:20:51 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: <52BF2A53.3060800@localhost> References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> <52BF2A53.3060800@localhost> Message-ID: On 2013-12-28 14:45, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On 12/28/2013 06:37 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: >> Seasons greetings all! >> >> Just a quick announcement to any that didn't know, the Fedora Jam spin >> has been released alongside Fedora 20. > > Amazing work by Brendan and all others! > >> For a synopsis of all included packages you can click here [1], and you >> can grab an ISO from here [2] >> >> PlanetCCRMA has also been updated in record time, so go here [3] to add >> your RT kernel, linuxsampler, supercollider, puredata and others not >> included on the spin. > > Actually pd-extended is still missing in action for Fedora 20. If anyone > out there has a patch to build it with Lua 5.2 let me know (it currently > needs Lua 5.1 and Fedora ships with 5.2)... As a first try you could change the Makefile to use 5.2 instead of 5.1 I don't know if that will break anything. The Makefile for pdlua is here: http://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/externals/loaders/pdlua/src/Makefile For linux, lines 154 and 155 need changing from 5.1 to 5.2: LUACFLAGS += -I/usr/include/lua5.1 # lua is named differently on every platform, check this and change it to fit LIBS += -llua5.1 # lua is named differently on every platform, check this and change it to fit I don't have 5.2 anywhere here so I can't test it. Martin > > Best, > -- Fernando > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Dec 28 23:07:38 2013 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 15:07:38 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> <52BF2A53.3060800@localhost> Message-ID: <52BF59BA.8080604@localhost> On 12/28/2013 02:20 PM, Martin Peach wrote: > On 2013-12-28 14:45, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >> On 12/28/2013 06:37 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: >>> Seasons greetings all! >>> >>> Just a quick announcement to any that didn't know, the Fedora Jam spin >>> has been released alongside Fedora 20. >> >> Amazing work by Brendan and all others! >> >>> For a synopsis of all included packages you can click here [1], and you >>> can grab an ISO from here [2] >>> >>> PlanetCCRMA has also been updated in record time, so go here [3] to add >>> your RT kernel, linuxsampler, supercollider, puredata and others not >>> included on the spin. >> >> Actually pd-extended is still missing in action for Fedora 20. If anyone >> out there has a patch to build it with Lua 5.2 let me know (it currently >> needs Lua 5.1 and Fedora ships with 5.2)... > > As a first try you could change the Makefile to use 5.2 instead of 5.1 I > don't know if that will break anything. pd-extended itself does not complain but the build fails, see below. I think I found some other software that had the same problems, I was hoping someone had dealt with this already. -- Fernando ---- cc -DPD -DHAVE_G_CANVAS_H -DZEXY_LIBRARY -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/Gem -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX -Dunix -DDL_OPEN -fPIC -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -DVERSION='"0.6"' -I/usr/include/lua5.1 -o "pdlua.o" -c "pdlua.c" pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_reader': pdlua.c:244:16: warning: unused parameter 'L' [-Wunused-parameter] lua_State *L, /**< Lua interpreter state. */ ^ pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_dofile': pdlua.c:1558:17: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' if (lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, filename)) ^ In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, ^ pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_loader': pdlua.c:1704:9: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' if (lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, name) || lua_pcall(L, 0, 0, 0)) ^ In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, ^ pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_setup': pdlua.c:1770:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'lua_open' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration] L = lua_open(); ^ pdlua.c:1770:7: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast [enabled by default] L = lua_open(); ^ pdlua.c:1800:9: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' result = lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, "pd.lua"); ^ In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, ^ pdlua.c: At top level: pdlua.c:503:13: warning: 'pdlua_stack_dump' defined but not used [-Wunused-function] static void pdlua_stack_dump (lua_State *L) ^ make[3]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/loaders/pdlua/src' make[3]: *** [pdlua.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [loaders-pdlua] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals' make[1]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/packages' make[1]: *** [externals] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 RPM build errors: ---- From gheskett at wdtv.com Sat Dec 28 23:30:31 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 18:30:31 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: <20131228215226.159669c6@debian> References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> <52BF3C87.8010903@gmail.com> <20131228215226.159669c6@debian> Message-ID: <201312281830.31215.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Saturday 28 December 2013 18:29:40 Will Godfrey did opine: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 22:03:03 +0100 > > Brendan Jones wrote: > > On 12/28/2013 10:01 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: > > > On 12/28/2013 08:38 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote: > > >> You might consider adding MMA to the repository. For some reason > > >> (probably 'cause I have no friends :) ) it's not in the debian, but > > >> lots of folks seem to be using/enjoying. > > >> > > >> http://www.mellowood.ca/mma > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup. Some new packagers incubating and I will let > > > them know! > > > > Oops, to the list as well... > > Well! > > I now have a somewhat disturbing mental image of 'incubating packagers' > :o Alright, it has to be asked. Are packagers such strange birds they have to be incubated? Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page Let me take you a button-hole lower. -- William Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost" A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From martin.peach at sympatico.ca Sun Dec 29 17:24:34 2013 From: martin.peach at sympatico.ca (Martin Peach) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:24:34 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam 20 Heisenbug released In-Reply-To: <52BF59BA.8080604@localhost> References: <52BEE240.4050002@gmail.com> <52BF2A53.3060800@localhost> <52BF59BA.8080604@localhost> Message-ID: On 2013-12-28 18:07, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On 12/28/2013 02:20 PM, Martin Peach wrote: >> On 2013-12-28 14:45, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >>> On 12/28/2013 06:37 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: >>>> Seasons greetings all! >>>> >>>> Just a quick announcement to any that didn't know, the Fedora Jam spin >>>> has been released alongside Fedora 20. >>> >>> Amazing work by Brendan and all others! >>> >>>> For a synopsis of all included packages you can click here [1], and you >>>> can grab an ISO from here [2] >>>> >>>> PlanetCCRMA has also been updated in record time, so go here [3] to add >>>> your RT kernel, linuxsampler, supercollider, puredata and others not >>>> included on the spin. >>> >>> Actually pd-extended is still missing in action for Fedora 20. If anyone >>> out there has a patch to build it with Lua 5.2 let me know (it currently >>> needs Lua 5.1 and Fedora ships with 5.2)... >> >> As a first try you could change the Makefile to use 5.2 instead of 5.1 I >> don't know if that will break anything. > > pd-extended itself does not complain but the build fails, see below. I > think I found some other software that had the same problems, I was > hoping someone had dealt with this already. > Well I'm the maintainer for that particular external so I will get on it as soon as I can! It seems that the c API has changed a bit between versions of lua. I hope the incompatibility doesn't go much deeper or it will be necessary to have separate [pdlua5.2] and [pdlua5.3]s ;( So far it looks like lua_load needs to be called with an extra parameter (NULL will do), and lua_open needs to be replaced by lua_newstate with two new parameters. Then if it works it will be changed in the sourceforge svn and at some unknown later time it will be incorporated into Pd-extended. Until then maybe just don't build pdlua at all... Martin > -- Fernando > > > ---- > cc -DPD -DHAVE_G_CANVAS_H -DZEXY_LIBRARY > -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb > -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/Gem > -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX -Dunix > -DDL_OPEN -fPIC -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions > -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches > -m64 -mtune=generic -DVERSION='"0.6"' -I/usr/include/lua5.1 -o > "pdlua.o" -c "pdlua.c" > pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_reader': > pdlua.c:244:16: warning: unused parameter 'L' [-Wunused-parameter] > lua_State *L, /**< Lua interpreter state. */ > ^ > pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_dofile': > pdlua.c:1558:17: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' > if (lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, filename)) > ^ > In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: > /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here > LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, > ^ > pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_loader': > pdlua.c:1704:9: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' > if (lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, name) || lua_pcall(L, > 0, 0, 0)) > ^ > In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: > /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here > LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, > ^ > pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_setup': > pdlua.c:1770:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'lua_open' > [-Wimplicit-function-declaration] > L = lua_open(); > ^ > pdlua.c:1770:7: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a > cast [enabled by default] > L = lua_open(); > ^ > pdlua.c:1800:9: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' > result = lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, "pd.lua"); > ^ > In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: > /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here > LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, > ^ > pdlua.c: At top level: > pdlua.c:503:13: warning: 'pdlua_stack_dump' defined but not used > [-Wunused-function] > static void pdlua_stack_dump (lua_State *L) > ^ > make[3]: Leaving directory > `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/loaders/pdlua/src' > make[3]: *** [pdlua.o] Error 1 > make[2]: *** [loaders-pdlua] Error 2 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals' > make[1]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/packages' > make[1]: *** [externals] Error 2 > make: *** [all] Error 2 > RPM build errors: > ---- > > > From brent at keycorner.org Sun Dec 29 23:15:10 2013 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:15:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] Midi program change in Muse Message-ID: Does anyone happen to know how to insert a Midi program change command in mid-sequence in Muse? If I bring up the piano roll editor to edit a region, there is a tool at the bottom under "ctrl" to insert things, including program numbers, but anything I put there changes the global program number for the whole track, and is seen in the main window as the new program for that track's whole timeline. I'm sure there's got to be a way to put a program change command into the middle of the track timeline, isn't there? -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From termtech at rogers.com Mon Dec 30 07:12:48 2013 From: termtech at rogers.com (Tim E. Real) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 02:12:48 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Midi program change in Muse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8904286.Rae8oGMjZc@col-desktop> On December 29, 2013 05:15:10 PM Brent Busby wrote: > Does anyone happen to know how to insert a Midi program change command > in mid-sequence in Muse? If I bring up the piano roll editor to edit a > region, there is a tool at the bottom under "ctrl" to insert things, > including program numbers, but anything I put there changes the global > program number for the whole track, and is seen in the main window as > the new program for that track's whole timeline. > > I'm sure there's got to be a way to put a program change command into > the middle of the track timeline, isn't there? If you have added the Program "Ctrl" graph you can you can enter program changes on the graph. (It may be more convenient to enter program changes as events in the Event List Editor.) Be aware, if you enter only ONE value on the graph, the area on the graph to the LEFT of that value is termed 'undefined'. Once that single program change has happened, either by playing through it or moving the transport head through it, if you then REWIND (or reposition) the transport, that program STAYS in effect. Maybe this is what you are experiencing. Therefore you should enter an INITIAL program at time=0. Thus upon REWIND the program always returns to some INITIAL value. This is true for all controllers in MusE, including controller events manually entered in the Event List Editor. Each midi track has a midi port which has an instrument. MusE instruments can ALSO define default INITIAL time-0 values for the controllers, so that upon REWIND, these values are automatically sent. However this "use instrument default controller values upon REWIND" feature needs to be enabled in the Global Settings, Midi tab. (I added this 'switch' and turned it off by default because of complaints, maybe a useful feature for some but usually best if the USER manually enters and is aware of ALL events and values.) Any manually entered time-0 values will override any instrument-defined initial time-0 values. Hope this helps, ask away. We also have mailing lists and web forums. Cheers, happy new year to you and LAU. Tim. From mail at peterodoherty.net Mon Dec 30 08:29:48 2013 From: mail at peterodoherty.net (Peter O'Doherty) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:29:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No sound with jack Message-ID: <52C12EFC.8040207@peterodoherty.net> Hi, I've just installed qjackctl and am having trouble with the audio setup in a few programs (like pd, supercollider). When I run these programs I get no sound and also no error messages in qjackctl. Is there a way to test whether jack is working correctly? Here is my setup: Ubuntu 13.04 qjackctl 0.3.10 libjack-jackd2-0 libjack-jackd2-dev Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Peter -- //============================= -> Peter O'Doherty -> http://www.peterodoherty.net -> mail at peterodoherty.net //============================= From brummer- at web.de Mon Dec 30 09:16:06 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:16:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No sound with jack In-Reply-To: <52C12EFC.8040207@peterodoherty.net> References: <52C12EFC.8040207@peterodoherty.net> Message-ID: <52C139D6.2000400@web.de> Am 30.12.2013 09:29, schrieb Peter O'Doherty: > Hi, > I've just installed qjackctl and am having trouble with the audio > setup in a few programs (like pd, supercollider). When I run these > programs I get no sound and also no error messages in qjackctl. > Is there a way to test whether jack is working correctly? > > Here is my setup: > > Ubuntu 13.04 > qjackctl 0.3.10 > libjack-jackd2-0 > libjack-jackd2-dev > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Peter > > you can try jack_metro -f 220 -A 0.6 -b 120 connect in qjackctl metro with system out, if jack is setup correct, you will hear the metronome. (press ctrl+c to exit metro) From mail at peterodoherty.net Mon Dec 30 09:36:15 2013 From: mail at peterodoherty.net (Peter O'Doherty) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:36:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No sound with jack In-Reply-To: <52C139D6.2000400@web.de> References: <52C12EFC.8040207@peterodoherty.net> <52C139D6.2000400@web.de> Message-ID: <52C13E8F.7050805@peterodoherty.net> On 12/30/2013 10:16 AM, hermann meyer wrote: > Am 30.12.2013 09:29, schrieb Peter O'Doherty: >> Hi, >> I've just installed qjackctl and am having trouble with the audio >> setup in a few programs (like pd, supercollider). When I run these >> programs I get no sound and also no error messages in qjackctl. >> Is there a way to test whether jack is working correctly? >> >> Here is my setup: >> >> Ubuntu 13.04 >> qjackctl 0.3.10 >> libjack-jackd2-0 >> libjack-jackd2-dev >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> > you can try > jack_metro -f 220 -A 0.6 -b 120 > > connect in qjackctl metro with system out, if jack is setup correct, > you will hear the metronome. > > (press ctrl+c to exit metro) Thanks. I see now what the problem is - whilst the audio outs are automatically connected to system playback_1 and playback_2, sound is actually coming from playback_3 and playback_4. How can I change this in the settings? From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 30 13:42:01 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 08:42:01 -0500 Subject: [LAU] No sound with jack In-Reply-To: <52C13E8F.7050805@peterodoherty.net> References: <52C12EFC.8040207@peterodoherty.net> <52C139D6.2000400@web.de> <52C13E8F.7050805@peterodoherty.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:36 AM, Peter O'Doherty wrote: > On 12/30/2013 10:16 AM, hermann meyer wrote: > >> Am 30.12.2013 09:29, schrieb Peter O'Doherty: >> >>> Hi, >>> I've just installed qjackctl and am having trouble with the audio setup >>> in a few programs (like pd, supercollider). When I run these programs I get >>> no sound and also no error messages in qjackctl. >>> Is there a way to test whether jack is working correctly? >>> >>> Here is my setup: >>> >>> Ubuntu 13.04 >>> qjackctl 0.3.10 >>> libjack-jackd2-0 >>> libjack-jackd2-dev >>> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> you can try >> jack_metro -f 220 -A 0.6 -b 120 >> >> connect in qjackctl metro with system out, if jack is setup correct, you >> will hear the metronome. >> >> (press ctrl+c to exit metro) >> > > Thanks. I see now what the problem is - whilst the audio outs are > automatically connected to system playback_1 and playback_2, sound is > actually coming from playback_3 and playback_4. How can I change this in > the settings? You can't. JACK doesn't have settings like this. There are ways to make connections "persistent" (i.e. recreated at startup) but the right solutions vary depending on the JACK clients you are using (and, for example, whether or not you use a session manager). FWIW ... my builtin soundcard is similar: the default device has 8 channels and the rear connectors are actually channels 7 & 8. Really this needs fixing inside the h/w mixer of the audio chipset, but I'm not sure if ALSA has the capability to do this at this point in time. I believe that Windows drivers can. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If >>>> anyone >>>> out there has a patch to build it with Lua 5.2 let me know (it >>>> currently >>>> needs Lua 5.1 and Fedora ships with 5.2)... >>> >>> As a first try you could change the Makefile to use 5.2 instead of 5.1 I >>> don't know if that will break anything. >> >> pd-extended itself does not complain but the build fails, see below. I >> think I found some other software that had the same problems, I was >> hoping someone had dealt with this already. >> > > Well I'm the maintainer for that particular external so I will get on it > as soon as I can! It seems that the c API has changed a bit between > versions of lua. I hope the incompatibility doesn't go much deeper or it > will be necessary to have separate [pdlua5.2] and [pdlua5.3]s ;( > So far it looks like lua_load needs to be called with an extra parameter > (NULL will do), and lua_open needs to be replaced by lua_newstate with > two new parameters. Let me know if you create a patch, I'll be happy to include it in my build... -- Fernando >Then if it works it will be changed in the > sourceforge svn and at some unknown later time it will be incorporated > into Pd-extended. > Until then maybe just don't build pdlua at all... > > Martin >> >> ---- >> cc -DPD -DHAVE_G_CANVAS_H -DZEXY_LIBRARY >> -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb >> -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/Gem >> -I/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX -Dunix >> -DDL_OPEN -fPIC -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions >> -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches >> -m64 -mtune=generic -DVERSION='"0.6"' -I/usr/include/lua5.1 -o >> "pdlua.o" -c "pdlua.c" >> pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_reader': >> pdlua.c:244:16: warning: unused parameter 'L' [-Wunused-parameter] >> lua_State *L, /**< Lua interpreter state. */ >> ^ >> pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_dofile': >> pdlua.c:1558:17: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' >> if (lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, filename)) >> ^ >> In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: >> /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here >> LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, >> ^ >> pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_loader': >> pdlua.c:1704:9: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' >> if (lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, name) || lua_pcall(L, >> 0, 0, 0)) >> ^ >> In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: >> /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here >> LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, >> ^ >> pdlua.c: In function 'pdlua_setup': >> pdlua.c:1770:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'lua_open' >> [-Wimplicit-function-declaration] >> L = lua_open(); >> ^ >> pdlua.c:1770:7: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a >> cast [enabled by default] >> L = lua_open(); >> ^ >> pdlua.c:1800:9: error: too few arguments to function 'lua_load' >> result = lua_load(L, pdlua_reader, &reader, "pd.lua"); >> ^ >> In file included from pdlua.c:45:0: >> /usr/include/lua.h:261:13: note: declared here >> LUA_API int (lua_load) (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *dt, >> ^ >> pdlua.c: At top level: >> pdlua.c:503:13: warning: 'pdlua_stack_dump' defined but not used >> [-Wunused-function] >> static void pdlua_stack_dump (lua_State *L) >> ^ >> make[3]: Leaving directory >> `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals/loaders/pdlua/src' >> make[3]: *** [pdlua.o] Error 1 >> make[2]: *** [loaders-pdlua] Error 2 >> make[2]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/externals' >> make[1]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/pd-extended/packages' >> make[1]: *** [externals] Error 2 >> make: *** [all] Error 2 >> RPM build errors: >> ---- >> >> >> From countfuzzball at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 01:38:41 2013 From: countfuzzball at gmail.com (Andrew C) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 01:38:41 +0000 Subject: [LAU] 'Reverse' gates? Message-ID: Hello everyone, Is there a ladspa plugin that is a 'reverse' gate of sorts? i.e removing noises louder than a certain db, but keeping quieter ones? Or do I need just have to learn how to use gates properly? Thanks! Andrew. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brummer- at web.de Tue Dec 31 07:59:01 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:59:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] pygtk jalv starter Message-ID: <52C27945.5090401@web.de> Hi I've reworked my little pygtk script to select a plugin and run it with a selected jalv interpreter. It use now python-lilv to create a plugin-list. You can select the plugs now by name, and you can search the list by regex to find a plug fast. https://github.com/brummer10/jalv_select greetings hermann From tweed at lollipopfactory.com Tue Dec 31 08:37:41 2013 From: tweed at lollipopfactory.com (Tweed) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 03:37:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] 'Reverse' gates? In-Reply-To: <52C281A5.6040409@lollipopfactory.com> References: <52C281A5.6040409@lollipopfactory.com> Message-ID: <52C28255.5030701@lollipopfactory.com> On 12/31/2013 03:34 AM, Tweed wrote: > On 12/30/2013 08:38 PM, Andrew C wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Is there a ladspa plugin that is a 'reverse' gate of sorts? i.e >> removing noises louder than a certain db, but keeping quieter ones? >> Or do I need just have to learn how to use gates properly? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Andrew. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > I think you could set up a parallel opposite polarity gate that would > do this: > Channel 1 - Ungated. > Channel 2 - mult of channel one gated, opposite polarity. > They get summed to the same ch/buss. ie. they are not respectively > panned L and R > when these 2 are summed and gate is bypassed >> the 2 chs sum to null. > when gate is active and closed you just hear ch1. > when gate is active and open loud parts getting thru gate on reverse > polarity ch 2 phase cancel the corresponding loud parts on channel 1 > closing dynamically to leave the softer parts. it requires accurate > channel sync. > I messed around with this a few years ago trying to make a poor man's > roger nichols dynamizer multizone compressor with just parrallel > busses,gates,compressors. it kinda worked :) > > > -- > the-temp-agency.com/lollipop-factory -- the-temp-agency.com/lollipop-factory -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moshwe at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:40:57 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:40:57 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? Message-ID: Hi all. I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. I would be glad to hear your recommendations. Her are the musthaves: 1. Linux compatibility 2. Pitch + Modulation 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. Would love to have your insights. Cheers Moshe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.santamauro at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 11:47:10 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:47:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] notation software Message-ID: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Hi, It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new and cutting edge? Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating: - individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better if staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed separately. - step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse - customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato -> channel change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch software instruments) - lilypond and/or midi export functionality. I'd appreciate any advice. thanks, David From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 12:03:11 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:03:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 12:40 PM, Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. > I would be glad to hear your recommendations. > > Her are the musthaves: > 1. Linux compatibility > 2. Pitch + Modulation > 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) > > Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. > > Would love to have your insights. > > Cheers > Moshe I love my M-audio Axiom. Has all the things you requested. Totally programmable, user selectable velocity response etc etc. All USB MIDI controllers should work with Linux out of the box. I hear the Behringer is also pretty cool and should be a bit cheaper, maybe someone can confirm. I think Thomann are making their own now too. Also have an Akai MPK Mini which is great for travel (+ as a bonus a pretty cool tap arpeggiator which the Axiom doesn't have), however it does not have full size keys and after-touch. From lists at quirq.net Tue Dec 31 12:06:31 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:06:31 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52C2B347.7010403@quirq.net> On 31/12/13 11:40, Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. > I would be glad to hear your recommendations. > > Her are the musthaves: > 1. Linux compatibility > 2. Pitch + Modulation > 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) > > Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. > > Would love to have your insights. > > Cheers > Moshe Hi Moshe What do you need -- just keys, or knobs and sliders as well? Weighted or synth-action keybed? I think most controllers, if they're class compliant MIDI-over-USB, just work. I had a Roland PCR80 but I'll steer clear of Roland stuff in future. For a start they have a joystick rather than separate mod- and pitch-wheels. Second, and they may have fixed this now, they were notorious for developing dead keys. I tried the common fix but this didn't work and I couldn't be bothered emailing Roland UK to send me new rubber contact strips. I got the PCR because I needed knobs, sliders and buttons to control softsynths, but I use mostly hardware synths these days so I don't miss it. I have an M-Audio Keystation 88. It's "weighted", that is, the keys have springs on them so it has more resistance and feels more piano-like. It's not perfect but it's good enough to be able to play a sampled piano expressively (something I couldn't do with a synth-action 'board). It does have the ability to change MIDI channels and stuff like that, but it's a question of remembering which of the black and white keys to hold down in conjunction with the function button. So, it's basic but does the job and is still going strong. As examples of class compliance, the controller I use most because it's always to hand is my Moog Little Phatty. IIRC my DSI Mopho Keyboard "just works" as well. HTH Q From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 12:08:32 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:08:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> References: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52C2B3C0.7090204@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 01:03 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 12/31/2013 12:40 PM, Moshe Werner wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. >> I would be glad to hear your recommendations. >> >> Her are the musthaves: >> 1. Linux compatibility >> 2. Pitch + Modulation >> 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) >> >> Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. >> >> Would love to have your insights. >> >> Cheers >> Moshe > I love my M-audio Axiom. Has all the things you requested. Totally > programmable, user selectable velocity response etc etc. All USB MIDI > controllers should work with Linux out of the box. > > I hear the Behringer is also pretty cool and should be a bit cheaper, > maybe someone can confirm. I think Thomann are making their own now too. > > Also have an Akai MPK Mini which is great for travel (+ as a bonus a > pretty cool tap arpeggiator which the Axiom doesn't have), however it > does not have full size keys and after-touch. Oh, the axiom has additional Midi ports - I bought an old Yamaha keyboard from a second hand store which I connect here and they automagically appear as my second controller in Jack. That's also another (cheaper) option if your audio interface has MIDI ports - just grab an old MIDI enabled Yamaha/Casio keyboard. Should be plenty on ebay etc. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Dec 31 12:08:14 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:08:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> References: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1388491694.1058.68.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 13:03 +0100, Brendan Jones wrote: > All USB MIDI controllers should work with Linux out of the box. But you can't set-up and/or store the set ups for all (USB) MIDI controllers using Linux. I for example own a Korg nanoKONTROL, there is Linux software to set-up scenes, but you can't save/load the scenes. Guten Rutsch! Ralf From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Dec 31 12:27:34 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:27:34 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131231122734.4a1fe03d@debian> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:40:57 +0200 Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. > I would be glad to hear your recommendations. > > Her are the musthaves: > 1. Linux compatibility > 2. Pitch + Modulation > 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) > > Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. > > Would love to have your insights. > > Cheers > Moshe I've got a Miditech midicontrol pro 49. USB powered, but also standard MIDI out for controlling hardware synths. Works out of the box on debian Full velocity sensitivity 12 assignable knobs 1 assignable slider Re-assignable modulation wheel (ideal for dynamic pan control) Pedal input -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 31 12:28:36 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 07:28:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52C2B874.5050006@woh.rr.com> On 12/31/2013 06:47 AM, David Santamauro wrote: > > Hi, > > It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the > major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? > What is new and cutting edge? Hi David, I'm close to completing an article on LilyPond and Frescobaldi. I checked out other software too, including MuseScore, Denemo, Lied, and Laborejo. All respectable, each in its own way, and in varying stages of development. LilyPond development proceeds nicely, especially after the funding drive. Stable version 2.18.0 was released recently. I haven't kept up with NoteEdit and NtEd. Both appear to be in a sort of development limbo. Apologies to the Rosegarden team, but I haven't kept up with that program's notation capabilities either. OpenMusic has some neat notation features, especially wrt microtones. Also has native support for MusicXML and an extension library for exporting to LilyPond. The FOMUS transcription system still works nicely with GRACE/CM and can be used with SuperCollider3 (IIRC). HTH, dp From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Dec 31 13:35:26 2013 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:35:26 +0200 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3981695.KaxSVrE0e7@dovidhalevi> On Tuesday, 31 December, 2013 06:47:10 David Santamauro wrote: > Hi, > > It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the > major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? > What is new and cutting edge? > > Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some > distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating: > > - individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better if > staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed separately. > > - step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse > > - customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato -> channel > change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch software instruments) > > - lilypond and/or midi export functionality. > > I'd appreciate any advice. thanks, Nted (succeeds Noteedit) is quite useful and useable. Can do most anything. Can preview engraving; a few quirks. Mscore (musescore) is gorgeous but its UI can be hard to navigate. WYSIWYG. Gnu Denemo is one designed to feed Lilypond/Frescobaldi but I have not found it usable. From flo at windfisch.org Tue Dec 31 14:05:23 2013 From: flo at windfisch.org (Florian Jung) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:05:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3480d9ae-9430-4569-8b49-e1be03b240a0@email.android.com> David Santamauro schrieb: > >Hi, > >It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the >major players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? >What is new and cutting edge? > >Note: I use lilypond for printed scores but I'm looking for some >distinct functionality for in-score composing and orchestrating: > > - individual jack midi routing at least at the staff level, better if >staff supported multiple voices and each could be routed separately. > > - step input with both external keyboard as well as mouse > > - customization for in-score articulations, e.g., staccato -> channel >change or slur/legato -> insert note ( for key switch software >instruments) > > - lilypond and/or midi export functionality. > >I'd appreciate any advice. thanks, > >David >_______________________________________________ >Linux-audio-user mailing list >Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Hi, MusE sequencer (not to confused with MusEScore) offers a score editor. MusE is a MIDI and (work in progress) audio sequencer with lots of editing features. The score editor is quite limited in its rendering capabiloties (it *cannot* be used for creating printable scores!). But if you're seeking a tool which allows you to orchestrate -- using Midi or softsynthes -- stuff, while not forcing you to use the pianoroll, MusE might be the right tool for you. (you can still export stuff as Midi and import somewhere else.) Hope this helps, Florian -- This message has been sent from my smartphone. Please pardon any typing errors that might have occurred. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atte at youmail.dk Tue Dec 31 14:06:39 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:06:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 Message-ID: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> Hi all I'm very happy to announce that I just released a new album entitled "2013", under my electronic project "Modlys". I've put a lot of work into it, and I'm quite happy with the result. It's free as in beer, feel free to donate if you dig it! http://music.modlys.dk/album/2013 Hope you enjoy! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From edogawa at aon.at Tue Dec 31 14:24:55 2013 From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:24:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> References: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1568942.kqCDhv6gL7@edhp> Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2013, 13:03:11 schrieb Brendan Jones: > On 12/31/2013 12:40 PM, Moshe Werner wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. > > I would be glad to hear your recommendations. > > > > Her are the musthaves: > > 1. Linux compatibility > > 2. Pitch + Modulation > > 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) > > > > Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. > > > > Would love to have your insights. > > > > Cheers > > Moshe > I love my M-audio Axiom. Has all the things you requested. Totally > programmable, user selectable velocity response etc etc. All USB MIDI > controllers should work with Linux out of the box. I second that - while i'm not a keyboarder who could competently judge this, the keys, wheels, knobs and faders on my Axiom-61 feel certainly better than those on that old AKAI MX-73 master-keyboard i've had before. Edgar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Dec 31 14:25:20 2013 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:25:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 In-Reply-To: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> References: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52C2D3D0.7020706@gmx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 31.12.2013 15:06, Atte wrote: > Hi all > > I'm very happy to announce that I just released a new album > entitled "2013", under my electronic project "Modlys". I've put a > lot of work into it, and I'm quite happy with the result. > > It's free as in beer, feel free to donate if you dig it! > > http://music.modlys.dk/album/2013 > > Hope you enjoy! Hi, I only listened to one track yet: "Eingang". Very nice work. I have high expectations for the rest of the tracka :D Thanks for sharing! Flo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSwtPNAAoJEA5f4Coltk8ZgEYIAKyYwLyjP3aPd+uQuIQ7msSM LkxzWDnqv5vHhASb4SaYW/uf800WGBuZnL/rjBpbBY+/O3O2YeTPlpzEY7np2Noj d+z+vrx2jxH5Auk98cInk+4LvTugZctO0L/C8PDB9tgDJmX/bQH32nxeCTcrTh6v TKHu5nzQTRQS6Z+zqqqVGiE6I79HFKT4J3WFeXCSKpfyYFCaSk2pQ4/xavxdcnTb ukUYqQIVtMvEm+1b0QoVnldi4BYzLOhxAX/684sqo4d0ZHy75SdmipmcT095HMme Auf33VBRPe2UeMt+vWvcMUoV0WAEAsmIWXZhw4xVmFINVeXc9k9a9kEPl1mqXWY= =K+fG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 14:33:57 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:33:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 In-Reply-To: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> References: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52C2D5D5.9020907@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 03:06 PM, Atte wrote: > Hi all > > I'm very happy to announce that I just released a new album entitled > "2013", under my electronic project "Modlys". I've put a lot of work > into it, and I'm quite happy with the result. > > It's free as in beer, feel free to donate if you dig it! > > http://music.modlys.dk/album/2013 > > Hope you enjoy! Only 5 songs in and man this is seriously good. Subtle teases and swells. Vocals on Engang are delicious. Would love to read the liner notes on how you produced this. Some supercollider in there for the beats? What are you using for synths? Love to hear about your workflow Great work, B From atte at youmail.dk Tue Dec 31 14:40:22 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:40:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 In-Reply-To: <52C2D3D0.7020706@gmx.net> References: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> <52C2D3D0.7020706@gmx.net> Message-ID: <52C2D756.7060703@youmail.dk> On 12/31/2013 03:25 PM, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > Hi, I only listened to one track yet: "Eingang". Very nice work. I > have high expectations for the rest of the tracka :D Thanks, hope you won't get disappointed, then :-) It's quite diverse, only two tracks with vocals, some tracks are quiet others are more energetic. > Thanks for sharing! And thanks for listening and for the kind words! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at youmail.dk Tue Dec 31 14:51:32 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:51:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 In-Reply-To: <52C2D5D5.9020907@gmail.com> References: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> <52C2D5D5.9020907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52C2D9F4.3070207@youmail.dk> On 12/31/2013 03:33 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: > Only 5 songs in and man this is seriously good. Subtle teases and > swells. Vocals on Engang are delicious. Wow, thanks man! > Would love to read the liner notes on how you produced this. Some > supercollider in there for the beats? What are you using for synths? > Love to hear about your workflow Well, first of all I'm one of the heretic renoise users. So everything is basically renoise. I used the padsynth tool for some pads and loomer aspect for a few sounds. The most prominent other piece of software it paulstretch, it's extensively used on "Engang", "20", "Maria bebudelse", "Forfra" and "Boston undervej". The piano used on a few tracks is the MIS piano samples. I'll write more about the workflow later, if you're interested... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 31 14:59:45 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:59:45 -0500 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 In-Reply-To: <52C2D9F4.3070207@youmail.dk> References: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> <52C2D5D5.9020907@gmail.com> <52C2D9F4.3070207@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52C2DBE1.1030107@woh.rr.com> On 12/31/2013 09:51 AM, Atte wrote: > > I'll write more about the workflow later, if you're interested... > Hi Atte, Even though I'm not a Renoise user - not even a heretical one - I would love to read how you create your music with the software. Please consider posting a description here or elsewhere, the more detailed the better. Your music has been consistently 1st-rate and you've obviously mastered Renoise. I'm definitely interested. :) Best, dp From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 15:24:54 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:24:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 In-Reply-To: <52C2D9F4.3070207@youmail.dk> References: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> <52C2D5D5.9020907@gmail.com> <52C2D9F4.3070207@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <52C2E1C6.7090109@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 03:51 PM, Atte wrote: > On 12/31/2013 03:33 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: > >> Only 5 songs in and man this is seriously good. Subtle teases and >> swells. Vocals on Engang are delicious. > > Wow, thanks man! > >> Would love to read the liner notes on how you produced this. Some >> supercollider in there for the beats? What are you using for synths? >> Love to hear about your workflow > > Well, first of all I'm one of the heretic renoise users. So everything > is basically renoise. I used the padsynth tool for some pads and loomer > aspect for a few sounds. The most prominent other piece of software it > paulstretch, it's extensively used on "Engang", "20", "Maria bebudelse", > "Forfra" and "Boston undervej". The piano used on a few tracks is the > MIS piano samples. > > I'll write more about the workflow later, if you're interested... > Wow, you made this with a tracker? Maybe I should give it a look. Whilst I'm all about open source, at the end of the day, the music is the king. I thought I heard Loomer's Aspect in there - great product. What about the beats - some nice clean lines there. All just samples in Renoise? +1 to what DP said. Definitely interested B From harryhaaren at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 15:24:57 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:24:57 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New album out: Modlys/2013 In-Reply-To: <52C2DBE1.1030107@woh.rr.com> References: <52C2CF6F.6060105@youmail.dk> <52C2D5D5.9020907@gmail.com> <52C2D9F4.3070207@youmail.dk> <52C2DBE1.1030107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Your music has been consistently 1st-rate and you've obviously mastered Renoise. I'm definitely interested. :) +1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From el.doctor at laposte.net Tue Dec 31 15:47:16 2013 From: el.doctor at laposte.net (MK aka El Doctor) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] io GNU/Linux LiveDVD/USB ... 64-bit iso up :) Message-ID: <4869781.dCDJpFsfFg@io> Hi all :) Uploaded a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a LiveDVD/USB focused on multimedia (Debian based). 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URL: From moshwe at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 17:34:20 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 19:34:20 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: <1568942.kqCDhv6gL7@edhp> References: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> <1568942.kqCDhv6gL7@edhp> Message-ID: Thank you all for the comments. So I can see that the axiom is a good choice for most of you. I need a not piano like keybord to answer that question. I've got already a nice Roland fp7 for that. What does it mean I cant save settings? Will I have to configure the knobs every time I open the software? Thank you all Guten Rutsch gleichfalls. Moshe On 31 ?Dec 2013 16:25, "Edgar Aichinger" wrote: > Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2013, 13:03:11 schrieb Brendan Jones: > > > On 12/31/2013 12:40 PM, Moshe Werner wrote: > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. > > > > I would be glad to hear your recommendations. > > > > > > > > Her are the musthaves: > > > > 1. Linux compatibility > > > > 2. Pitch + Modulation > > > > 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) > > > > > > > > Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. > > > > > > > > Would love to have your insights. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Moshe > > > I love my M-audio Axiom. Has all the things you requested. Totally > > > programmable, user selectable velocity response etc etc. All USB MIDI > > > controllers should work with Linux out of the box. > > > > I second that - while i'm not a keyboarder who could competently judge > this, > > the keys, wheels, knobs and faders on my Axiom-61 feel certainly better > than > > those on that old AKAI MX-73 master-keyboard i've had before. > > > > Edgar > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 17:41:01 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 18:41:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: References: <52C2B27F.9040602@gmail.com> <1568942.kqCDhv6gL7@edhp> Message-ID: <52C301AD.8020006@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 06:34 PM, Moshe Werner wrote: > Thank you all for the comments. > > So I can see that the axiom is a good choice for most of you. I need a > not piano like keybord to answer that question. I've got already a nice > Roland fp7 for that. > What does it mean I cant save settings? Will I have to configure the > knobs every time I open the software? > > Thank you all > > Guten Rutsch gleichfalls. > Moshe > Hey Moshe, In all friendliness, please don't top post. One recommendation from me, whatever you decide, wait a bit and get the 49 or 61 keys Machts gut Brendan From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 31 19:09:38 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:09:38 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Linux compatible keybord controller? In-Reply-To: <20131231122734.4a1fe03d@debian> References: <20131231122734.4a1fe03d@debian> Message-ID: <52C31672.2070504@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/31/2013 02:27 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:40:57 +0200 > Moshe Werner wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> I'm in the market for some nice keybord controller. >> I would be glad to hear your recommendations. >> >> Her are the musthaves: >> 1. Linux compatibility >> 2. Pitch + Modulation >> 3. Velocity sensitive (aftertouch would be nice but not mandatory) >> >> Also some assignable pads and knobs woud be useful. >> >> Would love to have your insights. >> >> Cheers >> Moshe > > I've got a Miditech midicontrol pro 49. > USB powered, but also standard MIDI out for controlling hardware synths. > Works out of the box on debian > Full velocity sensitivity > 12 assignable knobs > 1 assignable slider > Re-assignable modulation wheel (ideal for dynamic pan control) > Pedal input I have an MPK-88 on my wishlist, but there's a 61-key version too. Has all of the above, but I don't know if it works out of the box or anything about loading or saving settings. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From idragosani at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 19:12:56 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:12:56 -0500 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro wrote: > It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the major > players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new > and cutting edge? MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2. Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not just for printing. From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Dec 31 19:31:21 2013 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 21:31:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2097490.yARKt3qgjj@dovidhalevi> On Tuesday, 31 December, 2013 14:12:56 Brett McCoy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro > > wrote: > > It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the major > > players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new > > and cutting edge? > > MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at > least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and > Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and > supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2. > Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not > just for printing. Lilypond has a markup language (NOT musixML). Seem to be too awkward for composing or notation where I want to place notes, not type commands. Problem is that many programs claiming to export to Lilypond produce junk. So need to fire up Frescobaldi, Lilypond editor, to try to fix it so must know the commands anyway. Sure don't feel like composing. From david.santamauro at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 19:33:38 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:33:38 -0500 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52C31C12.5080604@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 02:12 PM, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro > wrote: > >> It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the major >> players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new >> and cutting edge? > > MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at > least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and > Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and > supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2. > Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not > just for printing. > ... and I love lilypond as well. My side job requires midi mock-ups as well as scores and for that I need a flexible workflow utilizing quality software instruments. It is simply less time consuming (once the proper templates are created) writing into a score editor, composing or arranging and hitting play, moving things around (instrumentation-wise), hitting play again ... something just not possible with lilypond--at least not with the tools I'm aware of. I spent a few hours with Rosegarden this morning and I'll probably keep at it but it seems MuseScore comes closest to my needs. thanks to all for the tips ... David From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 31 19:38:11 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:38:11 -1000 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52C31D23.4090100@hawaii.rr.com> On 12/31/2013 09:12 AM, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro > wrote: > >> It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the major >> players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new >> and cutting edge? > > MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at > least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and > Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and > supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2. > Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not > just for printing. Denemo? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From david.santamauro at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 19:39:36 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:39:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: <2097490.yARKt3qgjj@dovidhalevi> References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> <2097490.yARKt3qgjj@dovidhalevi> Message-ID: <52C31D78.4080701@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 02:31 PM, David Baron wrote: > On Tuesday, 31 December, 2013 14:12:56 Brett McCoy wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro >> >> wrote: >>> It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the major >>> players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What is new >>> and cutting edge? >> >> MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at >> least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and >> Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and >> supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2. >> Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not >> just for printing. > > Lilypond has a markup language (NOT musixML). Seem to be too awkward for > composing or notation where I want to place notes, not type commands. more or less my opinion as well. For small transcription jobs I'll use lilypond start to finish, but for large orchestrations lilypond is simply too cumbersome. > Problem is that many programs claiming to export to Lilypond produce junk. So > need to fire up Frescobaldi, Lilypond editor, to try to fix it so must know the > commands anyway. Sure don't feel like composing. I never dared ... I'm fluent enough in lilypond that I can copy a score quick enough to be able to "compose" one way and "typeset" another. ... sure would like to be able to do both in one program. David From david.santamauro at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 19:45:06 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:45:06 -0500 Subject: [LAU] notation software In-Reply-To: <52C31D23.4090100@hawaii.rr.com> References: <52C2AEBE.1090208@gmail.com> <52C31D23.4090100@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <52C31EC2.5000708@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 02:38 PM, david wrote: > On 12/31/2013 09:12 AM, Brett McCoy wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM, David Santamauro >> wrote: >> >>> It's been a while since I researched notation software. What are the >>> major >>> players in the linux world? What is being actively maintained? What >>> is new >>> and cutting edge? >> >> MuseScore & Rosegarden are probably the most mature score editors, at >> least the ones I've tried. MuseScore is more in spirit to Sibelius and >> Finale, whereas Rosegarden can be used as a DAW with JACK, and >> supports LADSPA & DSSI plugins, although does not yet support LV2. >> Nothing beats Lilypond, though. I use it for all of my composing, not >> just for printing. > > Denemo? > I couldn't figure out a way to get more than one jack-midi output port. Seems it is one port for all the staves and only program change/channel are assignable. so 16 instruments or 1 hefty instrument with 16 articulations ... either way, pretty limiting. David From rncbc at rncbc.org Tue Dec 31 19:48:45 2013 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 19:48:45 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] A fifth of a Jubilee with a late Mike November release Message-ID: <52C31F9D.1020301@rncbc.org> Happy year-ending to y'all. Not a fiscal report I'm afraid but the biggest load of Q-stuff released ever ;) Enjoy! * QjackCtl - A JACK Audio Connection Kit Qt GUI Interface QjackCtl 0.3.11 is out! QjackCtl is a simple Qt application to control the JACK sound server, for the Linux Audio infrastructure. website: http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qjackctl/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qjackctl/qjackctl-0.3.11.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qjackctl/qjackctl-0.3.11-20.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qjackctl/qjackctl-0.3.11-20.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qjackctl/qjackctl-0.3.11-20.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm * Qsynth - A FluidSynth Qt GUI Interface Qsynth 0.3.8 is out. Qsynth is a FluidSynth GUI front-end application written in C++ around the Qt4 toolkit using Qt Designer. website: http://qsynth.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qsynth/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsynth/qsynth-0.3.8.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsynth/qsynth-0.3.8-4.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsynth/qsynth-0.3.8-4.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsynth/qsynth-0.3.8-4.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm * Qsampler - A fluidsynth Qt GUI Interface Qsampler 0.2.3 is (finally) out! Qsampler is a LinuxSampler GUI front-end application written in C++ around the Qt4 toolkit using Qt Designer. website: http://qsampler.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qsampler/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsampler/qsampler-0.2.3.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsampler/qsampler-0.2.3-6.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsampler/qsampler-0.2.3-6.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsampler/qsampler-0.2.3-6.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm * QXGEdit - A Qt XG Editor QXGEdit 0.1.2 is out! QXGEdit is a Qt GUI for editing MIDI System Exclusive files for XG devices (eg. Yamaha DB50XG). website: http://qxgedit.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qxgedit/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qxgedit/qxgedit-0.1.2.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qxgedit/qxgedit-0.1.2-2.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qxgedit/qxgedit-0.1.2-2.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qxgedit/qxgedit-0.1.2-2.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm * QmidiCtl - A MIDI Remote Controller via UDP/IP Multicast QmidiCtl 0.1.1 is out! QmidiCtl is a MIDI remote controller application that sends MIDI data over the network, using UDP/IP multicast. Inspired by multimidicast and designed to be compatible with ipMIDI for Windows. website: http://qmidictl.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qmidictl/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidictl/qmidictl-0.1.1.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidictl/qmidictl-0.1.1-2.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidictl/qmidictl-0.1.1-2.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidictl/qmidictl-0.1.1-2.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm * QmidiNet - A MIDI Network Gateway via UDP/IP Multicast QmidiNet 0.1.3 is out! QmidiNet is a MIDI network gateway application that sends and receives MIDI data (ALSA MIDI Sequencer and/or JACK MIDI) over the network, using UDP/IP multicast. Inspired by multimidicast and designed to be compatible with ipMIDI for Windows. website: http://qmidinet.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qmidinet/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidinet/qmidinet-0.1.3.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidinet/qmidinet-0.1.3-2.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidinet/qmidinet-0.1.3-2.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qmidinet/qmidinet-0.1.3-2.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm the Vee One Suite gets anorther bump, * synthv1 - an old-school polyphonic synthesizer synthv1 0.3.6 is out! synthv1 is an old-school all-digital 4-oscillator subtractive polyphonic synthesizer with stereo fx. LV2 URI: http://synthv1.sourceforge.net/lv2 website: http://synthv1.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/synthv1/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.6.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.6-13.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.6-13.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.6-13.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm * samplv1 - an old-school polyphonic synthesizer samplv1 0.3.6 is out! samplv1 is an old-school polyphonic sampler synthesizer with stereo fx. LV2 URI: http://samplv1.sourceforge.net/lv2 website: http://samplv1.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/samplv1/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.6.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.6-13.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.6-13.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.6-13.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm * drumkv1 - an old-school polyphonic synthesizer drumkv1 0.3.6 is out! drumkv1 is an old-school polyphonic sampler synthesizer with stereo fx. LV2 URI: http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net/lv2 website: http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/drumkv1/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.6.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.6-9.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.6-9.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.6-9.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm last buit not least, the late Mike November closing the TYOQA era, * Qtractor - An Audio/MIDI multi-track sequencer Qtractor 0.5.12 (mike november) is out! Qtractor is an audio/MIDI multi-track sequencer application written in C++ with the Qt4 framework. Target platform is Linux, where the Jack Audio Connection Kit (JACK) for audio and the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) for MIDI are the main infrastructures to evolve as a fairly-featured Linux desktop audio workstation GUI, specially dedicated to the personal home-studio. website: http://qtractor.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.12.tar.gz - source package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.12-8.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.12-8.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.12-8.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm Enjoy && have a very happy new year! -- rncbc aka. Rui Nuno Capela