From abhayadevs at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 09:10:41 2013
From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:40:41 +0530
Subject: [LAU] Linux Firewire Users
Message-ID: <CAMF23z23+5HybYb-hs99wVTOcawRZtuHzDRtQOqHg8WSPrUjfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Anybody out there who is successful and full-time users of any Focusrite
Firewire  products  (preferably Liquid Saffire 56) under Linux?

Regards,
Abhayadev S
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul  1 09:19:39 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:19:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Firewire Users
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On 07/01/2013 11:10 AM, Abhayadev S wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Anybody out there who is successful and full-time users of any Focusrite
> Firewire  products  (preferably Liquid Saffire 56) under Linux?
>
> Regards,
> Abhayadev S

Yes, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 user here. Did you already check 
http://ffado.org/ ?

Regards,

Jeremy

From abhayadevs at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 09:24:05 2013
From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:54:05 +0530
Subject: [LAU] Linux Firewire Users
In-Reply-To: <51D149AB.3080903@autostatic.com>
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yeah i checked and it says experimental ! how is the feature support ? can
we get features of Saffire MixControl software?

Regards,
Abhayadev S
http://sites.google.com/site/abhayadevs


On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>wrote:

> On 07/01/2013 11:10 AM, Abhayadev S wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Anybody out there who is successful and full-time users of any Focusrite
>> Firewire  products  (preferably Liquid Saffire 56) under Linux?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Abhayadev S
>>
>
> Yes, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 user here. Did you already check
> http://ffado.org/ ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul  1 09:33:34 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:33:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Linux Firewire Users
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On 07/01/2013 11:24 AM, Abhayadev S wrote:
> yeah i checked and it says experimental ! how is the feature support ? can
> we get features of Saffire MixControl software?

Everything should work, except the DSP part. As I don't use the mixer 
software myself I can't tell what features are supported. But a lot of 
work has been done recently to create mixer templates for almost all 
Focusrite Saffire Pro devices. You should definitely ask on the FFADO 
user mailinglist about the status of your Pro 56.

Regards,

Jeremy

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul  1 11:08:34 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:08:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
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On 06/30/2013 09:22 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> On Mon, July 1, 2013 5:17 am, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>> On 06/29/2013 11:57 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>>> According to this thread it's an ARM specific debug method.
>>>
>>> http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg19006.html
>>>
>>> Someone here might be able to help if you pastebin the revised patch
>>
>> Then I have to clean up first and diff the whole source with a clean
>> source. Made a bit of a mess out of it so this could take some time.
>
> It may not be necessary. Just put the entire build into a tarball and
> point out the location that that code fails.
>
>> And
>> with 'here' you mean this list? The last lists I will ever post on will
>> be kernel dev lists, I'm just a mere user you know ;)
>>
>
> I'm sure that people on this list will be able to offer some advices.
>
>
> --
> Patrick Shirkey
> Boost Hardware Ltd

Got it to compile but it doesn't boot. I've uploaded a tarball of my 
modified source: http://rk.autostatic.com/linux-rt
This directory also contains a modified RT patch file.

Jeremy


From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul  1 11:30:32 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:30:32 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
In-Reply-To: <57008.188.26.169.14.1372543051.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
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On 06/29/2013 11:57 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Just for reference sake, if you try it with just -P enabled does it
> perform any better?

It does actually. Have to use lower frames/period setting(-p64) and 
sample rate (-r44100) settings though.

Jeremy

From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Mon Jul  1 11:50:26 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:50:26 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
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On Mon, July 1, 2013 9:30 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 06/29/2013 11:57 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> Just for reference sake, if you try it with just -P enabled does it
>> perform any better?
>
> It does actually. Have to use lower frames/period setting(-p64) and
> sample rate (-r44100) settings though.
>

This reminded me that if the audio device is communicating over the usb
bus it should perform better if the sample rate is divisible by the period
size.

So if you use 48000 try a period size of -p48 or -p96, etc...

Another possible assist is documented here:

http://alsa.opensrc.org/Usb-audio#Tuning_USB_devices_for_minimal_latencies




--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul  1 12:00:16 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 14:00:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
In-Reply-To: <52909.89.47.0.197.1372679426.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
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On 07/01/2013 01:50 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> This reminded me that if the audio device is communicating over the usb
> bus it should perform better if the sample rate is divisible by the period
> size.
>
> So if you use 48000 try a period size of -p48 or -p96, etc...
>
> Another possible assist is documented here:
>
> http://alsa.opensrc.org/Usb-audio#Tuning_USB_devices_for_minimal_latencies

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-January/066765.html

Jeremy


From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Mon Jul  1 14:12:43 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 00:12:43 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
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On Mon, July 1, 2013 10:00 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 07/01/2013 01:50 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> This reminded me that if the audio device is communicating over the usb
>> bus it should perform better if the sample rate is divisible by the
>> period
>> size.
>>
>> So if you use 48000 try a period size of -p48 or -p96, etc...
>>
>> Another possible assist is documented here:
>>
>> http://alsa.opensrc.org/Usb-audio#Tuning_USB_devices_for_minimal_latencies
>
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-January/066765.html
>


IIUC the potential issues with period sizes with non powers of two are at
the application level. JACK is agnostic about it.

Anyway it's a little spooky that you get better performance with -p64 than
-p128 even in playback only mode.




--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul  1 14:44:13 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:44:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
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On 07/01/2013 04:12 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> IIUC the potential issues with period sizes with non powers of two are at
> the application level. JACK is agnostic about it.
>

Yes, guitarix for instance doesn't like period sizes that are not a 
power of two.

> Anyway it's a little spooky that you get better performance with -p64 than
> -p128 even in playback only mode.

Well I'm testing and haven't done any real stress-tests yet. Maybe it 
was a one-off. At least I get undistorted sound out of this device. Now 
if I could only figure out why JACK bails out every once so often. And 
why full-duplex doesn't work, well, it works but the audio coming out is 
distorted.

Jeremy

From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Mon Jul  1 15:16:12 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 01:16:12 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
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On Tue, July 2, 2013 12:44 am, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 07/01/2013 04:12 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> IIUC the potential issues with period sizes with non powers of two are
>> at
>> the application level. JACK is agnostic about it.
>>
>
> Yes, guitarix for instance doesn't like period sizes that are not a
> power of two.
>
>> Anyway it's a little spooky that you get better performance with -p64
>> than
>> -p128 even in playback only mode.
>
> Well I'm testing and haven't done any real stress-tests yet. Maybe it
> was a one-off. At least I get undistorted sound out of this device. Now
> if I could only figure out why JACK bails out every once so often.

Does this happen with or without wifi enabled?

> And
> why full-duplex doesn't work, well, it works but the audio coming out is
> distorted.
>

System load causing distortion on the Audio device in duplex mode. It
suggests something is wrong with the bus and or interrupts but I don't see
why it would be ok in playback only mode. Not sure if it is related but I
have noticed that my old usb quattro often takes a while to warm up.
Sometimes I have to run it for a few hours and start/stop jack several
times to get undistorted output.

Another issue is the Rockchip devs probably haven't tested the device at
low latency with duplex mode so they haven't picked up that issue. We can
try flagging it with them.

I forgot what the audio chipset is. Can you post the output of cat
/proc/asound/cards?




--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Jul  1 21:29:53 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:29:53 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Behringer ADA8000 phase
Message-ID: <20130701212952.GA25646@linuxaudio.org>

Hello all,

The incredible happens.

The electronics of the 'Lampadario' at the Casa del Suono in
Parma consists of a rack with an RME ADI468 converting MADI
to 8 ADAT outputs, 8 Behringer ADA8000 converters, and 8 QSC
amplifiers of 8 channels each. The rack was wired (very neatly)
by a firm specialising in this sort of work.

When I installed the software four years ago, I found out
that 25 of the 64 channels had their phase inverted. For one
of those it was an error in the speaker wiring, which was easy
to correct. The other 24 corresponded exactly to 3 groups of 8,
and the speaker wiring was OK. I assumed that the cables between
the ADA8000 and the amps were to blame - this is a non-standard
cable which had to be hand-made by the whoever did the wiring.
If two technicians had worked on that, they could have had
different ideas of what were the correct connections. 

Since I didn't want to take the rack apart, resolder 24 wires
and put it all back, and since there was only one SW app driving
the installation at that time, those 24 inversions were corrected
for by that software. So far so good.

Recently I re-measured the IRs of the whole thing. There
were again 24 channels out of phase. But not the same ones.
One of the groups of 8 had turned in-phase, and another
one was now inverted. 

The only thing that has happened to the installation over
the last years is that some of the Behringers failed (power
supply blown up, one per year on average) and were replaced.
So I checked those separately. And yes, some of them had their
output phase inverted w.r.t. the others. Apparently the thing
exists in two versions, but apart from measuring there's no
way to tell which is which. So I'll have to recheck things
each time any of them are replaced again. Thank $GOD we didn't
use those for the WFS system.

The incredible happens.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From wizardofgosz at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 22:24:40 2013
From: wizardofgosz at gmail.com (Ricardus Vincente)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 18:24:40 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Behringer ADA8000 phase
In-Reply-To: <20130701212952.GA25646@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130701212952.GA25646@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <51D201A8.8030707@gmail.com>

On 07/01/2013 05:29 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> The incredible happens.
> 
> The electronics of the 'Lampadario' at the Casa del Suono in
> Parma consists of a rack with an RME ADI468 converting MADI
> to 8 ADAT outputs, 8 Behringer ADA8000 converters, and 8 QSC
> amplifiers of 8 channels each. The rack was wired (very neatly)
> by a firm specialising in this sort of work.
> 
> When I installed the software four years ago, I found out
> that 25 of the 64 channels had their phase inverted. For one
> of those it was an error in the speaker wiring, which was easy
> to correct. The other 24 corresponded exactly to 3 groups of 8,
> and the speaker wiring was OK. I assumed that the cables between
> the ADA8000 and the amps were to blame - this is a non-standard
> cable which had to be hand-made by the whoever did the wiring.
> If two technicians had worked on that, they could have had
> different ideas of what were the correct connections. 
> 
> Since I didn't want to take the rack apart, resolder 24 wires
> and put it all back, and since there was only one SW app driving
> the installation at that time, those 24 inversions were corrected
> for by that software. So far so good.
> 
> Recently I re-measured the IRs of the whole thing. There
> were again 24 channels out of phase. But not the same ones.
> One of the groups of 8 had turned in-phase, and another
> one was now inverted. 
> 
> The only thing that has happened to the installation over
> the last years is that some of the Behringers failed (power
> supply blown up, one per year on average) and were replaced.
> So I checked those separately. And yes, some of them had their
> output phase inverted w.r.t. the others. Apparently the thing
> exists in two versions, but apart from measuring there's no
> way to tell which is which. So I'll have to recheck things
> each time any of them are replaced again. Thank $GOD we didn't
> use those for the WFS system.
> 
> The incredible happens.
> 
> Ciao,

 Wow. Tricky.

 I think the original Black-faced ADATs would record the audio out of
phase to tape, and then correct it on the way out. So if you had tapes
recorded in a Black-faced ADAT, and played it in a silver XT, or had
tapes recorded in a Silver XT, and played it in a Black-faced unit, you
were 180 degrees out of phase on playback.

 Rich...

From kvutter at frii.com  Tue Jul  2 01:19:00 2013
From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:19:00 -0600
Subject: [LAU] setBfree Rotary Speaker sounds strange!
In-Reply-To: <51CA8E64.7090709@autostatic.com>
References: <77304259-314B-455C-9E62-24402115C074@frii.com>
 <51CA8E64.7090709@autostatic.com>
Message-ID: <5039F30E-17CC-4B55-BA92-88C51A9A527A@frii.com>


On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:47 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> Hello Kevin,
> 
> You might want to report that issue here: https://github.com/pantherb/setBfree/issues


Thanks much.  I did that about 3 days ago.  I'm hoping I did it correctly.  I've seen nothing about anyone even seeing it, as far as I understand it.  I think I filed it under Questions, but since I haven't done this before, I'm not quite sure of the procedure.  Thanks again.

Kevin


From kvutter at frii.com  Tue Jul  2 01:33:00 2013
From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:33:00 -0600
Subject: [LAU] Roland Octa-Capture
In-Reply-To: <519733F0.4010502@ladisch.de>
References: <0C7991E8-C23C-4D83-AF59-0A3527E41C62@frii.com>
 <5195DD19.40509@ladisch.de> <F0A3B6C0-AFAF-461E-BC17-8F61EC0FD47E@frii.com>
 <519733F0.4010502@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <F2B7D5C6-C5D2-4E2B-97F0-5E06696D10EC@frii.com>


On May 18, 2013, at 1:55 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:

>>> Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device.
>> 
>> <KU> Its listed here.
> 
> <CL> That was without "-v".
> 
> Please run "lsusb -v -d 0582:0120".
> 
Hi!  I'm wondering if you got the attachment with that output, and if it provides any further information?  Thanks much.

Kevin

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From derJonnyB at web.de  Tue Jul  2 03:33:42 2013
From: derJonnyB at web.de (JonnyB)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 05:33:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Midi controller keeps disconnecting
Message-ID: <51D24A16.3010002@web.de>

Hi all,

I recently bought this midi controller:
http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/GBP/Fame-Tweak-49-Controller-Masterkeyboard/art-SYN0003694-000
It seems to be this Chinese thing:
http://www.worlde.com.cn/products_detail/&productId=1496ebdb-c1c5-401b-b57c-6201634388b3&comp_stats=comp-FrontProducts_list01-1305628296986.html

I was hoping midi is standardized enough that it just works in Linux, it
doesn't ...
But I'd rather keep it, 'cause i don't find anything comparable suiting
my needs for this price.

Now here's the problem:
It basically gets recognized all the way down to alsa

$aconnect -li
client 24: 'USB Device 0x218:0x303' [type=kernel]
   0 'USB Device 0x218:0x303 MIDI 1'

but it keeps disconnecting/reconnecting. The syslog keeps cycling like
this (about twice a second):

Jul  2 03:22:03 pc kernel: [13863.876029] usb 6-1: new full-speed USB
device number 102 using uhci_hcd
Jul  2 03:22:03 pc pulseaudio[2458]: [pulseaudio] module-alsa-card.c:
Failed to find a working profile.
Jul  2 03:22:03 pc pulseaudio[2458]: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to
load module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="2"
name="usb-WORLDE_FAME_Tweak_49-00-U0x2180x303"
card_name="alsa_card.usb-WORLDE_FAME_Tweak_49-00-U0x2180x303"
namereg_fail=false tsched=yes ignore_dB=no deferred_volume=yes
card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1""): initialization failed.
Jul  2 03:22:03 pc kernel: [13864.288055] usb 6-1: USB disconnect,
device number 102


(I just recognized) That it sometimes even disconnects, before it is
handled by udev

Jul  2 03:26:21 pc kernel: [14122.272020] usb 6-1: new full-speed USB
device number 98 using uhci_hcd
Jul  2 03:26:21 pc kernel: [14122.442212] usb 6-1: USB disconnect,
device number 98

so this is some problem with the drivers/firmware??
Any suggestions are highly appreciated :)

Thanks in advance,
JonnyB


N.B.:
My OS is a Linux pc 3.2.0-45-generic-pae #70-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 29
20:31:05 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
And yes, it's working in windoze.
Problems with a different device from the same vendor were discussed
here (but seems rather unrelated):
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2013-March/091142.html



From espiritocz at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 04:04:28 2013
From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:04:28 +0800
Subject: [LAU] Midi controller keeps disconnecting
In-Reply-To: <51D24A16.3010002@web.de>
References: <51D24A16.3010002@web.de>
Message-ID: <CANaJcSxxJGEoRDpikomTre19CGXv76qMBmKbEkAHJkfmRr0D+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.
I cannot help more than by guessing that a possible direction would be to
use windows drivers in linux...?
I know it was possible for my SIM card device in notebook, so probably it
can work here as well. Google..
Good luck.

Milan


2013/7/2 JonnyB <derJonnyB at web.de>

> Hi all,
>
> I recently bought this midi controller:
>
> http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/GBP/Fame-Tweak-49-Controller-Masterkeyboard/art-SYN0003694-000
> It seems to be this Chinese thing:
>
> http://www.worlde.com.cn/products_detail/&productId=1496ebdb-c1c5-401b-b57c-6201634388b3&comp_stats=comp-FrontProducts_list01-1305628296986.html
>
> I was hoping midi is standardized enough that it just works in Linux, it
> doesn't ...
> But I'd rather keep it, 'cause i don't find anything comparable suiting
> my needs for this price.
>
> Now here's the problem:
> It basically gets recognized all the way down to alsa
>
> $aconnect -li
> client 24: 'USB Device 0x218:0x303' [type=kernel]
>    0 'USB Device 0x218:0x303 MIDI 1'
>
> but it keeps disconnecting/reconnecting. The syslog keeps cycling like
> this (about twice a second):
>
> Jul  2 03:22:03 pc kernel: [13863.876029] usb 6-1: new full-speed USB
> device number 102 using uhci_hcd
> Jul  2 03:22:03 pc pulseaudio[2458]: [pulseaudio] module-alsa-card.c:
> Failed to find a working profile.
> Jul  2 03:22:03 pc pulseaudio[2458]: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to
> load module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="2"
> name="usb-WORLDE_FAME_Tweak_49-00-U0x2180x303"
> card_name="alsa_card.usb-WORLDE_FAME_Tweak_49-00-U0x2180x303"
> namereg_fail=false tsched=yes ignore_dB=no deferred_volume=yes
> card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1""): initialization failed.
> Jul  2 03:22:03 pc kernel: [13864.288055] usb 6-1: USB disconnect,
> device number 102
>
>
> (I just recognized) That it sometimes even disconnects, before it is
> handled by udev
>
> Jul  2 03:26:21 pc kernel: [14122.272020] usb 6-1: new full-speed USB
> device number 98 using uhci_hcd
> Jul  2 03:26:21 pc kernel: [14122.442212] usb 6-1: USB disconnect,
> device number 98
>
> so this is some problem with the drivers/firmware??
> Any suggestions are highly appreciated :)
>
> Thanks in advance,
> JonnyB
>
>
> N.B.:
> My OS is a Linux pc 3.2.0-45-generic-pae #70-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 29
> 20:31:05 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> And yes, it's working in windoze.
> Problems with a different device from the same vendor were discussed
> here (but seems rather unrelated):
>
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2013-March/091142.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From clemens at ladisch.de  Tue Jul  2 06:44:15 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 08:44:15 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Midi controller keeps disconnecting
In-Reply-To: <51D24A16.3010002@web.de>
References: <51D24A16.3010002@web.de>
Message-ID: <51D276BF.6030907@ladisch.de>

JonnyB wrote:
> it keeps disconnecting/reconnecting. The syslog keeps cycling like
> this (about twice a second):
>
> Jul  2 03:22:03 pc kernel: [13863.876029] usb 6-1: new full-speed USB device number 102 using uhci_hcd
> [...]
> Jul  2 03:22:03 pc kernel: [13864.288055] usb 6-1: USB disconnect, device number 102

"USB disconnect" typically is a hardware problem (controller/cable/
power), but in this case, this sounds like a power management bug in
the device's firmware.

Many MIDI devices have similar bugs, so automatic PM was disabled ...

> My OS is a Linux pc 3.2.0-45-generic-pae #70-Ubuntu

... in version 3.2.0-47.


Regards,
Clemens

From robin at gareus.org  Tue Jul  2 16:20:52 2013
From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] setBfree Rotary Speaker sounds strange!
In-Reply-To: <5039F30E-17CC-4B55-BA92-88C51A9A527A@frii.com>
References: <77304259-314B-455C-9E62-24402115C074@frii.com>
 <51CA8E64.7090709@autostatic.com>
 <5039F30E-17CC-4B55-BA92-88C51A9A527A@frii.com>
Message-ID: <51D2FDE4.4080602@gareus.org>

On 07/02/2013 03:19 AM, Kevin Utter wrote:
> 
> On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:47 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>> Hello Kevin,
>>
>> You might want to report that issue here: https://github.com/pantherb/setBfree/issues
> 
> 
> Thanks much.  I did that about 3 days ago.  I'm hoping I did it correctly.  I've seen nothing about anyone even seeing it, as far as I understand it.  I think I filed it under Questions, but since I haven't done this before, I'm not quite sure of the procedure.  Thanks again.
> 
> Kevin

Sorry for the delay. I did not yet have the time to look into it.
robin

From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 16:40:50 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 09:40:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
Message-ID: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,
Does any one know of a simple tool for removing crickets from my home
studio? :-)
Hahaha, my "studio" is now in the garage. and, I guess, when I opened
the main door for some ventilation, someone crept in hoping that I
would make them a star!!!! :-)
I haven't actually caught the offending creature on "tape" but if I
do, I guess I'll just have to try some phase reversal or something. :)

Of course, most of this is in fun, I hope that by the time I make my
first recording, he'll learn some studio manners, or died, or moved
out, :-) but I hadn't thought of the possibility of a cricket taking
up residence in the studio. :-)

Rusty

From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 16:53:46 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:53:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpWvThoBFX3tybbb1piFXbXbh=5bJMXB7ohTQjfMGk0iAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues ;)

I have some troubles - read xruns - with this setup:

archlinux - linux-rt(various versions)-jack-presonus1818VSL

My aim is to get as low latency as possibile.
I have tried various kernel versions (rt) and various JACK setups
(48000/(256,128,64),3)
but none of them was without xruns when running:
pd - plugins - ardour

now I am compiling time by time kernel from series 3.2 - because I've read
they are good for this purpose - and I am trying...

Does anybody have some experience with similar setup and with no xruns ?

thanks

fero
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From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org  Tue Jul  2 17:11:08 2013
From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:11:08 +0100
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D309AC.3040309@quirq.ukfsn.org>

On 02/07/13 17:40, Rusty Perez wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Does any one know of a simple tool for removing crickets from my home
> studio? :-)
> Hahaha, my "studio" is now in the garage. and, I guess, when I opened
> the main door for some ventilation, someone crept in hoping that I
> would make them a star!!!! :-)
> I haven't actually caught the offending creature on "tape" but if I
> do, I guess I'll just have to try some phase reversal or something. :)
> 
> Of course, most of this is in fun, I hope that by the time I make my
> first recording, he'll learn some studio manners, or died, or moved
> out, :-) but I hadn't thought of the possibility of a cricket taking
> up residence in the studio. :-)
> 
> Rusty 

Move to the UK, the rain usually stops play ;-)

Q


From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Jul  2 17:12:09 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:12:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307021906200.8079@flower.world.net>

Hello Rusty!
   The best cricket removal tool of course is someone, who captures or kills 
it.
   The next best thing could be playing with phase inverted signals. If you 
have two microphones, you could connect them both, use one for your recording 
and direct another away from your own noise production. If possible as 
striahgt as you can towards the offender. I'm not absolutely sure about all 
the mechanics of such a process, but it shold work, if the signals are 
synchronous. Others might have to say more about that.
   the other option is filtering and EQ'ing. If th cricket doesn't cover too 
much sonic space or doesn't interfere too much with your intended frequencies, 
you could try an equaliser. You can sweep the bands and find the sweet spots 
for the cricket and lower them as much as possible. If the cricket offers a 
lot of high frequencies you could probably even work with some more drastic 
lowpass fitlering. that doesn't work for every instrument.
   The third - and from a technical point easiest - method would be to compose 
a lullaby or other nature-friendly music and claim, that the cricket is 
intentional and from your personal sound library. :-)
   Chirping regards
          Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From jh at brainiac.com  Tue Jul  2 17:25:38 2013
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:25:38 -0400
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130702132538.1acb84ae4a5172aac3f92fd8@brainiac.com>

On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 09:40:50 -0700
Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> Does any one know of a simple tool for removing crickets from my home
> studio? :-)

If you can't get rid of the cricket, try using him as part of the studio.
Since the number of chirps per minute (cpm) is dependent on temperature,
figure out how many cpm you need to mesh with the bpm of the music you're
working on, and set the studio temp accordingly.  Voila!  Instant chirp
track!

To convert cricket chirps to degrees Fahrenheit, count number of chirps 
in 14 seconds then add 40 to get temperature.

Example: 30 chirps + 40 = 70? F

To convert cricket chirps to degrees Celsius, count number of chirps in 
25 seconds, divide by 3, then add 4 to get temperature.

Example: 48 chirps /(divided by) 3 + 4 = 20? C

So if you're working on a piece in 4/4 that is 120 BPM, a 70? F studio will
give you 1 chirp per measure.

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 17:41:18 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:41:18 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
Message-ID: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey fellas!

Just some thoughts to share, get the podcast here:
http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast



-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 17:49:17 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:49:17 +0100
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpWvThoBFX3tybbb1piFXbXbh=5bJMXB7ohTQjfMGk0iAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpWvThoBFX3tybbb1piFXbXbh=5bJMXB7ohTQjfMGk0iAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbOemeJs492z3dGwAC2w0+fAkEYwNwozw4XEEbxCKrkZtg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Fero Kiraly <fero.kiraly at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have some troubles - read xruns - with this setup:
There's a lot more to removing Xruns from a system than just the kernel and
JACK settings (although they are very important :)

Known things that need to be done:
-Interrupt requests of your hardware must be prioritized (rtirq script
helps here)
-Interrupt thread handlers (on RT kernel) must be prioritized
-Thread priorities must be checked for JACK itself

Some other things to look into are:
-CPU scaling (causes Xruns here, although others say it works fine)
-WiFi (must be disabled here: "iwconfig wlan0 txpower off", not just
disconnected)
-Graphics chip drivers (I'm using a standard xf86-video driver for my ATI
HD2400XT)

That's a good start anyway: If I find some time, I'll write a quick post on
tuning an Arch system for maximum low-lat RT performance.

> My aim is to get as low latency as possible.
Please specify... How low is low :D I've achieved 0.3ms at 96kHz, running a
CPU stress test on each core without Xruns, so I'm pretty happy with
that... since the hardware (Echo Indigo DJ PCMCIA) can't handle any lower!

> but none of them was without xruns when running:
> pd - plugins - ardour

PD is a bit of a xrun hog on my machine here: not bashing PD, I probably
don't have it set up with ideally. But perhaps try running eg Ardour on its
own for testing purposes? Or another simple app which isn't as dependent on
the "patch" that's loaded..?

HTH, -Harry
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From dplist at free.fr  Tue Jul  2 18:10:10 2013
From: dplist at free.fr (David)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:10:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307021906200.8079@flower.world.net>
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On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:12:09 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> The best cricket removal tool of course is someone, who captures or
> kills it.

Why on Earth would you want to *kill* it ?

-- David

From robin at linuxaudio.org  Tue Jul  2 18:27:32 2013
From: robin at linuxaudio.org (Robin Gareus)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 20:27:32 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On 07/02/2013 07:49 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Fero Kiraly <fero.kiraly at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have some troubles - read xruns - with this setup:
> There's a lot more to removing Xruns from a system than just the kernel and
> JACK settings (although they are very important :)

 * linux 3.2.35-2 PREEMPT RT
   (debian's RT kernel recompiled with VSL1818 clock selector fix added)
 * jackd 1.9.10 (git)
 * Rui's rtirq script
 * jackd with -p64 -n2 (actually jackdbus)
 * presonus 1818VSL

-> very reliable no x-runs

> Known things that need to be done:
> -Interrupt requests of your hardware must be prioritized (rtirq script
> helps here)
> -Interrupt thread handlers (on RT kernel) must be prioritized
> -Thread priorities must be checked for JACK itself

+1, +1, +1

> Some other things to look into are:
> -CPU scaling (causes Xruns here, although others say it works fine)

no problem here w/freq scaling. I have disabled C1E halt states and EIST
in the Bios, though.

> -WiFi (must be disabled here: "iwconfig wlan0 txpower off", not just
> disconnected)

Nor does wifi + networkmanager cause issues here.

but in either case the 1818VSL here is on a dedicated hardware IRQ - not
shared with any other devices.

> -Graphics chip drivers (I'm using a standard xf86-video driver for my ATI
> HD2400XT)

Intel graphics here.

2c,
robin

From diego.simak at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 18:21:34 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:21:34 -0300
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
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2013/7/2 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>:
> Hey fellas!
>
> Just some thoughts to share, get the podcast here:
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_podcast
>
>
>
> --
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


Very interesting podcast I must say.
I agree in most of your thoughts, sadly. ;-)

I imagine some kind of automation editor reading the parameters values
(OSC? CV?) from the plugin or standalone app, creating a graphical
representation of the parameter value.

Without any serious thinking I could say that if NON Mixer allow LV2
and DSSI it will be an enormeous approach for that "automation editor"
just controlling the plugin parameter from NON Timeline.

Any option is to have other plugin to automate exiting parameter under
Ingen o Carla... since I'm not a coder I cannot start any other
thought in how to do this.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Diego

From bearcat at feline-soul.com  Tue Jul  2 18:41:33 2013
From: bearcat at feline-soul.com (=?UTF-8?B?QmVhcmNhdCDFnsOhbmRvcg==?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:41:33 -0600
Subject: [LAU] DRC and mics ..little idea of what i'm doing..
Message-ID: <CAMPo9sragrR8A4SCSk3mSJ7_SYYBNJb3pRi26MR4ZO7rTSgOKA@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I just moved into a new house and have my stereo setup. Granted some things
will be moved around the room and some quilts will be going onto the walls,
but it's sitting basically where it will sit.

Something i've always wanted to do is apply DRC to my audio system.  I just
started looking into this and i know very little about mics etc. I think
i'm going to get something along these lines:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=390-801

I have an asus xonar essence ST soundcard found here:
http://www.asus.com/Sound_Cards_and_DigitaltoAnalog_Converters/Xonar_Essence_ST/

First off, i assume that even though it's got an input that *looks* like a
TRS jack i can't just get an xlr-trs converter and plug it in and go?

If you want to point my nose at "understanding mics and phantom power and
why you're a doofus for thinking this will work" please do.

Thanks,


-- 
Bearcat M. ??ndor
Feline Soul Systems LLC
Voice: 872.CAT.SOUL (872.228.7685)
Fax: 406.235.7070
Jabber/xmpp/gtalk/email: bearcat at feline-soul.net
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From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 18:42:54 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:42:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpXujVnRpm7-HUtckBg8oWX2G1uLX1F_a6ugVMdnLepMnA@mail.gmail.com>

I say hallo for Harry ! ;)

F:  I have some troubles - read xruns - with this setup:
H:  There's a lot more to removing Xruns from a system than just the kernel
and JACK settings (although they are very important :)
F: actually I know  realTimeConfigQuickScan, so my output looks:

*[paum at bookes ~]$ realTimeConfigQuickScan *
*== GUI-enabled checks ==*
*Checking if you are root... no - good*
*Checking filesystem 'noatime' parameter... 3.6.11 kernel - good*
*(relatime is default since 2.6.30)*
*Checking CPU Governors... CPU 0: 'performance' CPU 1: 'performance' CPU 2:
'performance' CPU 3: 'performance'  - good*
*Checking swappiness... 10 - good*
*Checking for resource-intensive background processes... none found - good*
*Checking checking sysctl inotify max_user_watches... >= 524288 - good*
*Checking access to the high precision event timer... readable - good*
*Checking access to the real-time clock... readable - good*
*Checking whether you're in the 'audio' group... yes - good*
*Checking for multiple 'audio' groups... no - good*
*Checking the ability to prioritize processes with chrt... yes - good*
*Checking kernel support for high resolution timers... found - good*
*Kernel with Real-Time Preemption... not found - not good*
*Kernel without real-time capabilities found*
*For more information, see
http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration#installing_a_real-time_kernel
*
*Checking if kernel system timer is set to 1000 hz... found - good*
*Checking kernel support for tickless timer... found - good*
*== Other checks ==*
*Checking filesystem types... ok.*
*ok.*
*** Set $SOUND_CARD_IRQ to the IRQ of your soundcard to enable more checks.*
*   Find your sound card's IRQ by looking at '/proc/interrupts' and lspci.*
*[paum at bookes ~]$ *


and I dont understand two things:

*Kernel with Real-Time Preemption... not found - not good*
*Kernel without real-time capabilities found*
*BUT*
*[paum at bookes ~]$ uname -a*
*Linux bookes 3.6.11-rt33-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sun Apr 28 12:18:40 CEST
2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux*
*[paum at bookes ~]$ *

and the second, how to:
 ** Set $SOUND_CARD_IRQ to the IRQ of your soundcard to enable more checks.
   Find your sound card's IRQ by looking at '/proc/interrupts' and lspci.
??

H: Known things that need to be done:
       -Interrupt requests of your hardware must be prioritized (rtirq
script helps here)
F: my system says:
      rtirq.service               loaded active exited    Realtime IRQ
thread system tuning

H:      -Interrupt thread handlers (on RT kernel) must be prioritized
F:       how to ?


H:      -Thread priorities must be checked for JACK itself
F:      How to ?



H:  Some other things to look into are:
       -CPU scaling (causes Xruns here, although others say it works fine)

       -WiFi (must be disabled here: "iwconfig wlan0 txpower off", not just
disconnected)
       -Graphics chip drivers (I'm using a standard xf86-video driver for
my ATI HD2400XT)

F:  CPU scaling seems good:
     *Checking CPU Governors... CPU 0: 'performance' CPU 1: 'performance'
CPU 2: 'performance' CPU 3: 'performance'  - good*

     WiFi - thats pity, because I often use my phone as controller
(TouchOSC)
     Graphics - Nvidia - I am using noveau driver

H:  That's a good start anyway: If I find some time, I'll write a quick
post on tuning an Arch system for maximum low-lat RT performance.
F:  appreciated ;)

F: My aim is to get as low latency as possible.
H :Please specify... How low is low :D I've achieved 0.3ms at 96kHz,
running a CPU stress test on each core without Xruns, so I'm pretty happy
with that... since the hardware (Echo Indigo DJ PCMCIA) can't handle any
lower!

F: oh, great !. it could be an ideal for me. I use various acoustic
instruments for live playing, so yes I am talking about less than 4ms


F: but none of them was without xruns when running:
        pd - plugins - ardour

H:  PD is a bit of a xrun hog on my machine here: not bashing PD, I
probably don't have it set up with ideally. But perhaps try running eg
Ardour on its own for testing purposes? Or another simple app which isn't
as dependent on the "patch" that's loaded..?

HTH, -Harry
fero
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 18:55:38 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 22:55:38 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
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Hey Diego!

NON is generally a nice approach. The problem I had with it, as far as I
remember, is that it does not support MIDI. Which really kills the whole
deal for me, since the rest of Linux Audio apps are MIDI apps. Somewhere on
the NON site there was a lengthy instruction on how to setup a bridge
between MIDI and OSC, but that was not my cup of tea, that kind of tech
voodoo.

The power of Linux Audio - the diversity of solutions - is at the same time
its weakness, as typically your setup at any given time will reliably have
apps that fall out of your routine. Currently for me it is seq24 that does
not work with JACK Transport. If this is going to be fixed someday, by that
time some other app might have another problem. At the same time seq24 has
no reliable automation (I was told it is there, I found nothing, tbh). And
also seq24 has weird volume editing.
As mentioned with NON, it does not support MIDI. Ardour 3 works great, but
does not support DSSI, so no WhySynth or Nekobee, for instance.

The list goes on. There is always a "but". And it is absolutely normal, as
each app is a project in of itself. Even if it is supposed to be a tool
that makes sense only with other applications, rarely apps are designed
with the whole environment and/or too much time and effort is required to
accommodate said environment. And so you end up with this shattered puzzle.
You put one piece in - another falls out.

This is why I believe a different approach would be great - basically, a
modular all-in-one system, meaning modules that are designed to speak to
each other.

How realistic is that to make? Don't know.



-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 19:14:44 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:14:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Just some thoughts to share <snip>
Nice perspective, informative. I think it would be a great resource to get
feedback like what you said from a wide range of linux-audio musicians, as
a kind of "probe" to find the most significant lacking elements. Perhaps
I'll be told "we know that already", but what harm in confirming our
suspicions?
Anybody know how to best gather up such info? (I'm not experienced in that
kinda thing)

Re workflow, if some type of OSC protocol could be established between a
synth ("client"/"automate-able") and an automation program
("host"/"automater"), twisting the knob on the synth client could inform
the host which parameter to show in the editor...?
Perhaps its a bit of a hack, and it would require wide-spread
implementation to become useful, but it is a *workable* solution. Perhaps
not the neatest, but I think worth mentioning.
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 19:17:21 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 23:17:21 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
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An interesting discussion in the mailing list was at the end of 2012 when I
wrote this article:
http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_progress

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-October/087434.html

Many people say what they think.




On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Just some thoughts to share <snip>
> Nice perspective, informative. I think it would be a great resource to get
> feedback like what you said from a wide range of linux-audio musicians, as
> a kind of "probe" to find the most significant lacking elements. Perhaps
> I'll be told "we know that already", but what harm in confirming our
> suspicions?
> Anybody know how to best gather up such info? (I'm not experienced in that
> kinda thing)
>
> Re workflow, if some type of OSC protocol could be established between a
> synth ("client"/"automate-able") and an automation program
> ("host"/"automater"), twisting the knob on the synth client could inform
> the host which parameter to show in the editor...?
> Perhaps its a bit of a hack, and it would require wide-spread
> implementation to become useful, but it is a *workable* solution. Perhaps
> not the neatest, but I think worth mentioning.
>
>
>


-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From diego.simak at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 19:25:52 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:25:52 -0300
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
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2013/7/2 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>:
> Hey Diego!
>
> NON is generally a nice approach. The problem I had with it, as far as I
> remember, is that it does not support MIDI. Which really kills the whole
> deal for me, since the rest of Linux Audio apps are MIDI apps. Somewhere on
> the NON site there was a lengthy instruction on how to setup a bridge
> between MIDI and OSC, but that was not my cup of tea, that kind of tech
> voodoo.

Yes I understand it.
In fact I kept thinking in how to control hydrogen or yoshimi from NON
for instance.
I can not see how to do this at the moment.

>
> The power of Linux Audio - the diversity of solutions - is at the same time
> its weakness, as typically your setup at any given time will reliably have
> apps that fall out of your routine. Currently for me it is seq24 that does
> not work with JACK Transport. If this is going to be fixed someday, by that
> time some other app might have another problem. At the same time seq24 has
> no reliable automation (I was told it is there, I found nothing, tbh).

I don't want to focus in seq24 since the topic is more general and
more important
but I remember this tutorial from Leigh Dyer showing MIDI CC automation in seq24

http://wootangent.net/2010/11/linux-music-tutorial-seq24-part-2/

And
> also seq24 has weird volume editing.
> As mentioned with NON, it does not support MIDI. Ardour 3 works great, but
> does not support DSSI, so no WhySynth or Nekobee, for instance.
>
> The list goes on. There is always a "but". And it is absolutely normal, as
> each app is a project in of itself. Even if it is supposed to be a tool that
> makes sense only with other applications, rarely apps are designed with the
> whole environment and/or too much time and effort is required to accommodate
> said environment. And so you end up with this shattered puzzle. You put one
> piece in - another falls out.
>
> This is why I believe a different approach would be great - basically, a
> modular all-in-one system, meaning modules that are designed to speak to
> each other.
>
> How realistic is that to make? Don't know.
>
>
>
> --
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 19:29:56 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:29:56 +0100
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Fero Kiraly <fero.kiraly at gmail.com> wrote:
> I say hallo for Harry ! ;)
Thanks! Your email client seems to mash up things a little: at least, the
email I'm replying to is quite garbled here... please send plain text
emails in future, and just reply under the text, no need for H: F: etc :)

Also, when pasting output from commands use a "pastebin" like
http://pastebin.com/ and provide a link, it makes for easier reading.
Thanks!

> <snip>
> H:  That's a good start anyway: If I find some time, I'll write a quick
post on tuning an Arch system for maximum low-lat RT performance.
> F:  appreciated ;)
A lot of your questions will be answered in this post: I'll link it here
when it is finished.

> F: oh, great !. it could be an ideal for me. I use various acoustic
instruments for live playing, so yes I am talking about less than 4ms
I'm also using soft-synths / effects live, so indeed latency should be
minimal. Understood.
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 19:41:16 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:41:16 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com>wrote:

> Re workflow, if some type of OSC protocol could be established between a
> synth ("client"/"automate-able") and an automation program
> ("host"/"automater")
>
I've been made aware (thanks FalkTX) that this type of OSC protocol is
available, although I believe some details are still gritty. I'm not one of
the devs, so can't reliably comment.

Links:
https://github.com/original-male/non/issues/61
https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues/44
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Tue Jul  2 20:29:05 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:29:05 +0000
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:40:50AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:

> Of course, most of this is in fun, I hope that by the time I make my
> first recording, he'll learn some studio manners, or died, or moved
> out, :-) but I hadn't thought of the possibility of a cricket taking
> up residence in the studio. :-)

Open the door and shout 'Extra omnes !'

If your cricket is Roman Catholic he will leave. In the other
case there's nothing you can do.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul  2 20:38:07 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:38:07 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn49mVvX0ALock7mT4z42K+7q4nQx14RJdpxUGR6OH-s_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/02/2013 02:55 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
> ... I believe a different approach would be great - basically, a 
> modular all-in-one system, meaning modules that are designed to speak 
> to each other.
>
> How realistic is that to make? Don't know.

Well, PyDAW seems to fit the bill. Of course, everyone hates the 
developer so there's no enlightened discussion possible here. (It would 
not be amiss to suggest that he made himself less than likeable). AFAIK 
I'm the only one on this list who looked beyond the personality to 
actually use the man's software. And it is exactly what you describe, a 
closed-modular system of audio/MIDI recording and editing tools, with 
effects and instruments prepackaged and immediately available for use. 
(His synths are really nice, btw). Jeff has continued to develop the 
program and I look forward to testing his latest additions.

Yes, he despises JACK and I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel all that 
kindly towards ALSA. So what ? Are these things sacred cows, never to be 
disturbed from their current positions ? And if he's offensive, maybe he 
takes it far more seriously than we think, and maybe just maybe he has 
thought through to a very different Tao of Linux audio. In another 
example, the OSS/Linux guys think differently about it, and they have a 
viable product.

When I asked "What sucks about Linux audio ?" I got a lot of replies 
that support the contention that all is NOT well in the Linux audio 
world. At the same time it occurred to me that that's just how it is 
here, and if you (the impersonal "you", not you specifically, Louigi) 
want to influence the way things go - in the same way that a specific 
group of people determined the current path beginning in the late 1990s 
- then you'd best get up and start moving, because there's talking and 
walking. Talk's cheap. And the required walking skills are not 
inconsiderable.

Developers of Win/Mac music software listen to users because they pay 
them for a product. Can't escape the economics of the thing, it matters 
whether you like it or not. If I want to keep my customer base then I 
attend to their needs, else I don't get paid, and I might as well pass 
the hat at Louigi Verona gigs. So we can keep talking or we can start 
paying. Paul Davis has developed Ardour thanks to contributions. I 
highly doubt it would have reached its current level without the money 
coming in. Rui has a good day gig, and he's taken his own sweet time to 
develop QTractor. (Is it out of alpha yet, Rui ? :) Not to speak for 
them, but I suggest that both of these gentlemen react positively to 
cash injections.

OTOH I think things are likely to be just swell for people like myself. 
My use cases are not so machine-centric, and I don't need the standard 
tools for EDM. Selfishly speaking, things are looking great from my POV. 
But if I have a concern for the continued development of Linux audio 
software then I must consider the needs of my colleagues who do require 
those other tools. Their immediate concerns may not matter to me, but 
their longer-term involvement is critically determined by the 
availability of their needed tools. Too much stasis, and sooner or later 
even Louigi is going back to Windows. And I'd rather not lose colleagues 
with his capabilities.

Rant over. Peace out.

dp


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Tue Jul  2 20:48:43 2013
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 22:48:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <20130702202905.GA26869@linuxaudio.org>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130702202905.GA26869@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130702224843.3c584445@xingu.arnoldarts.de>

On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 20:29:05 +0000 Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:40:50AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
> 
> > Of course, most of this is in fun, I hope that by the time I make my
> > first recording, he'll learn some studio manners, or died, or moved
> > out, :-) but I hadn't thought of the possibility of a cricket taking
> > up residence in the studio. :-)
> 
> Open the door and shout 'Extra omnes !'
> 
> If your cricket is Roman Catholic he will leave. In the other
> case there's nothing you can do.

Announcing "free beer outside" should work for everything else?
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 20:53:52 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:53:52 +0100
Subject: [LAU] JACK on Haiku
Message-ID: <CANOoOjsnsrWdAWQXP6PfXNcCgUh1GWpnunEZVzoVu0ySj1puSA@mail.gmail.com>

A member of the Haiku community has made an early prototype port of JACK2
to the fledgling, media-centric FLOSS OS

https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/barrett/2013-07-02_jack2_personal_analysis_part_1

TL;DR

Haiku currently lacks RT scheduling and shm.h and this proto port lacks a
backend to produce any output. The author proposes it may be possible to
create a bridge similar to JackRouter on OSX to pipe JACK to Haiku's
media_kit.
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Tue Jul  2 21:03:14 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:03:14 +0000
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <20130702224843.3c584445@xingu.arnoldarts.de>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 10:48:43PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:

> > Open the door and shout 'Extra omnes !'
> > 
> > If your cricket is Roman Catholic he will leave. In the other
> > case there's nothing you can do.
> 
> Announcing "free beer outside" should work for everything else?

Should work for snails. Don't know about crickets... :-)

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From tito.01beta at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 21:16:43 2013
From: tito.01beta at gmail.com (Tito Latini)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 23:16:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130702211643.GA1832@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it>

On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:40:50AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Does any one know of a simple tool for removing crickets from my home
> studio? :-)

There are four types of cricket song: The calling song attracts
females and repels other males, and is fairly loud. The courting
song is used when a female cricket is near, and is a very quiet
song. An aggressive song is triggered by chemoreceptors on the
antennae that detect the near presence of another male cricket
and a copulatory song is produced for a brief period after a
successful mating.
                -- Wikipedia

Algorithm to remove the cricket noise (pseudo-code):

  - put a cricket-female near the door of the studio

  - cricketto starts the calling song

  - when you hear the courting song, push the crickets out and
    close the door of the studio

  - cricket noise is removed if the copulatory song is out of the studio

HTH

tito

From rncbc at rncbc.org  Tue Jul  2 21:43:37 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 22:43:37 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
In-Reply-To: <51D33A2F.6090109@woh.rr.com>
References: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <51D34989.7000808@rncbc.org>

On 07/02/2013 09:38 PM, Dave Phillips wrote:
 > [...] Rui has a good day gig, and he's taken his own sweet time to
 > develop QTractor. (Is it out of alpha yet, Rui ? :) Not to speak for
 > them, but I suggest that both of these gentlemen react positively to
 > cash injections.

thanks Dave (hal9k talk:)

everybody reacts positively to positive incentives (just an economist 
lapalissade, but yeah;)

whether it's still alpha?

well, yes. on my call and personal stance there's only two phases to 
software life cycle: alpha and omega. anything in between is just 
marketing gibberish

alpha is when some software "entity" is actually running to its users 
benefit. whether saying it does it well or not--in my experience it 
often does not--it's strictly a user's prerogative, not a developer's one.

while in this so-called alpha phase, all software lingers in a more or 
less broken state. yes, broken. nothing is perfect and never will, until...

then, paraphrasing Exup?ry's, only when the last user leaves the 
building then you know it reached ultimate perfection and that my 
friend, it's when you know it reached omega :)

cheers
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Tue Jul  2 21:49:25 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:49:25 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Updates
Message-ID: <20130702214925.GB6346@linuxaudio.org>

Hello all,

Some maintenance updates are available on
 <http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/downloads>

* libclxclient 3.9.0:  bugfixes
* aeolus, aliki, jaaa, japa: all now use zita-alsa-pcmi instead
  of clalsadrv. 
* The aliki package now includes the manual.

That means that clalsadrv is now deprecated. It will remain available
for a few months and then disappear forever.

Note to AMS devs: zita-alsa-pcmi is a near drop-in replacement
for clalsadrv-2.0.0:

* Change the library name in the build files
* s/#include<clalsadrv>/#include<zita-alsa-pcmi>/
* s/Alsa_driver/Alsa_pcmi/
* s/->stat()/->state()/

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 22:19:41 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 23:19:41 +0100
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbPO7L-r_Gg8Q+=OiJjnK74GH1xr-6b_hpq8_cnj=Uccbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpXujVnRpm7-HUtckBg8oWX2G1uLX1F_a6ugVMdnLepMnA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Also, when pasting output from commands use a "pastebin" like
http://pastebin.com/ and provide a link, it makes for easier reading.
I'd like to take this back: its better to have the information neatly
available on the mailing list.

> If I find some time, I'll write a quick post on tuning an Arch system for
maximum low-lat RT performance.
Link to article, (note it is geared towards Arch linux, but the same
concepts apply across distro flavours)
http://openavproductions.com/real-time-latency-tuning/

Thanks for providing the incentive to write this article, -Harry
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From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 22:26:47 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 00:26:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbMoj0fyYKAo2fBf8n=rtvDCMfqN=Vsy+quM3-18s2=32A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpXujVnRpm7-HUtckBg8oWX2G1uLX1F_a6ugVMdnLepMnA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you. great. i am gonna to read.
all the best

2013/7/3 Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com>

> Thanks for providing the incentive to write this article





-- 
Fero Kiraly
www.ferokiraly.com
www.cluster-ensemble.com
T
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Jul  2 22:56:42 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 00:56:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307030054190.8079@flower.world.net>

Hello Louigi!
   Your podcast was very intersting. It seems, that in the GUI there are the 
same difficulties as in the commandline, only on a higher level. We have the 
same problem of combining different apps in a simple setup. Nama is on a good 
road there to do all the magic in the background. But somehow it makes me feel 
a little bett3er about the state of CLI problematics. Thanks for your podcast. 
However relevant or true it might be for the current state of GUI 
applications.
   Warm regards
         Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From falktx at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 00:36:33 2013
From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 01:36:33 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Carla Plugin Host 1.0.0 released!
Message-ID: <51D37211.4020508@gmail.com>

Hi there everyone, just passing the info ;)
I'm not much of a mailing list guy, so if possible check the LM forum 
link in this message for replies, thanks!

--------------------------------------------------------------------

After more than 2 years in development, here it is - the first stable 
release of Carla is now available!
[Screenshot: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/screenshots/carla.png]

Carla Plugin Host, or just Carla, is an audio plugin host, with support 
for many audio drivers and plugin formats.
It has some nice features like automation of parameters via MIDI CC and 
full OSC control.

Carla currently supports LADSPA (including LRDF), DSSI, LV2, and VST 
plugin formats, plus GIG, SF2 and SFZ file support.
It uses JACK as the default and preferred audio driver but also supports 
native drivers like ALSA, DirectSound or CoreAudio.

We currently release source code plus Windows and Linux binaries (focus 
goes into the Linux version).
Downloads available at the usual place, 
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Downloads#Binaries.

For more information about Carla check its own application page here.
We'll be updating that page in the next few days, with some tutorials 
and workflow videos as well, so stay tuned!

You can follow the release discussion over at LinuxMusicians forums, 
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=11249.
If you find this application useful and/or want to help further 
development, please consider a donation:
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Donations


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Jul  3 07:03:11 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 03:03:11 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
In-Reply-To: <51D33A2F.6090109@woh.rr.com>
References: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

>
> Yes, he despises JACK and I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel all that kindly
> towards ALSA. So what ? Are these things sacred cows, never to be disturbed
> from their current positions ? And if he's offensive, maybe he takes it far
> more seriously than we think, and maybe just maybe he has thought through
> to a very different Tao of Linux audio. In another example, the OSS/Linux
> guys think differently about it, and they have a viable product.
>

far too busy to get involved in one of these threads, but i thought i
should repeat something i've said many times before, in various ways.

you will NOT find the developers of audio apps on OS X or Windows wasting
much time cursing out CoreAudio or WDM or WaveRT, certainly not in public.
These features of their landscape are fixed and not subject to change
through any efforts they can make (other than bug reports and so forth).
and yes, those systems are far from perfect, but they are THE systems you
get to use on their respective platforms, whether you like it or not.

linux has always had the problem that nobody really wields a big enough
stick - it is always possible to image and more importantly to actually
implement an entirely different approach to a particular aspect of the
kernel and userspace subsystems. as a result of this, we get benefits (some
really innovative stuff happens first on linux) and we get disadvantages
(because expertise and hours are spent "fixing" systems that you'd just
have to deal with on other platforms).

one final small note for louigi regarding things like "why ardour doesn't
support DSSI". logic on OS X doesn't support VST. the proprietary world is
not so diffferent :)

of course, there is one important difference: nobody but apple could ever
add VST support to logic. anyone could add DSSI support to ardour, if they
had the knowledge and desire. i'm just not that person.
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 07:04:18 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:04:18 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Carla Plugin Host 1.0.0 released!
In-Reply-To: <51D37211.4020508@gmail.com>
References: <51D37211.4020508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADqqn4_aNzPZPNrB5wvAqNQaVvULDMPosUx5dN57hkKyM0UhwQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is great news indeed!

I've been using Carla for the past few months and I can say it is a great
plugin host and you are able to save the project and reopen it later. The
GUI is very good, comfortable to use, easy to assign MIDI control.

All in all, Carla is there as a permanent element of my workflow.

Thanks Filipe!




-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 07:12:05 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:12:05 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKn+=yNeQ8B19K0J0GLn6uubt0KTLN=KCePxbkEBQ7q5OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Sure, Paul, my comment on Ardour was not meant to say that you should
support DSSI. It simply pointed out the facts.

I feel great respect towards developers of Linux Audio and I totally
understand that each developer has his reasons for doing what he does. So I
was not even asking "why Ardour doesn't support DSSI", I just said that it
doesn't. Obviously, you have good reasons for what you are doing.

So, I hope my tone did not turn out as demanding as it was not meant to be
at all.


You made an interesting point about Windows that people just work with what
they have when on Linux devs spend lots of time fixing things. I wonder how
big is this effect. Do many people engage in this kind of activity?
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Jul  3 07:37:54 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 21:37:54 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
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Message-ID: <51D3D4D2.706@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/02/2013 09:12 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
> Sure, Paul, my comment on Ardour was not meant to say that you should
> support DSSI. It simply pointed out the facts.
>
> I feel great respect towards developers of Linux Audio and I totally
> understand that each developer has his reasons for doing what he does.
> So I was not even asking "why Ardour doesn't support DSSI", I just said
> that it doesn't. Obviously, you have good reasons for what you are doing.
>
> So, I hope my tone did not turn out as demanding as it was not meant to
> be at all.
>
> You made an interesting point about Windows that people just work with
> what they have when on Linux devs spend lots of time fixing things. I
> wonder how big is this effect. Do many people engage in this kind of
> activity?

Well, ages ago, I was one of the first users of CorelDRAW. Fed them many 
bug reports and UI feedback. Won't claim to make a big difference, but I 
did isolate a serious bug sufficiently that they could finally fix it. 
They rewarded me with a free upgrade to v2. So it's pretty cool when a 
developer rewards (me) by putting out a better version!

I know a lot of Windows users just put up with problems, maybe grumble a 
little bit, but figure it's just the way computers are. I work with a 
number of them.

My biggest complaint about Microsoft is that they have convinced users 
to accept computer and application crashes as "normal".

Reminds me, sometime I must start learning Ardour.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Wed Jul  3 07:43:20 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 09:43:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On 07/03/2013 12:19 AM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Also, when pasting output from commands use a "pastebin" like
> http://pastebin.com/ and provide a link, it makes for easier reading.
> I'd like to take this back: its better to have the information neatly
> available on the mailing list.
> 
>> If I find some time, I'll write a quick post on tuning an Arch system for
> maximum low-lat RT performance.
> Link to article, (note it is geared towards Arch linux, but the same
> concepts apply across distro flavours)
> http://openavproductions.com/real-time-latency-tuning/
> 
> Thanks for providing the incentive to write this article, -Harry
> 

Nice article Harry! Some remarks though:
* Is /dev/rtc the kernel timer? I thought it was the device node for
access to the real-time clock. I don't even think it's necessary to
prioritize it anymore because most applications use the kernel timer:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#hardware_timers
I'm far from an expert on timers so I could be wrong, I still find this
a bit of esoteric stuff.
* Using setpci in this context is deprecated unless you're still using
am machine with a PCI bus which I highly doubt:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#pci_bus_latency

Regards,

Jeremy

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Wed Jul  3 08:03:51 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:03:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On 07/02/2013 08:42 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
> I say hallo for Harry ! ;)
> 
> F:  I have some troubles - read xruns - with this setup:
> H:  There's a lot more to removing Xruns from a system than just the kernel
> and JACK settings (although they are very important :)
> F: actually I know  realTimeConfigQuickScan, so my output looks:
> 
> *[paum at bookes ~]$ realTimeConfigQuickScan *
> *== GUI-enabled checks ==*
> *Checking if you are root... no - good*
> *Checking filesystem 'noatime' parameter... 3.6.11 kernel - good*
> *(relatime is default since 2.6.30)*
> *Checking CPU Governors... CPU 0: 'performance' CPU 1: 'performance' CPU 2:
> 'performance' CPU 3: 'performance'  - good*
> *Checking swappiness... 10 - good*
> *Checking for resource-intensive background processes... none found - good*
> *Checking checking sysctl inotify max_user_watches... >= 524288 - good*
> *Checking access to the high precision event timer... readable - good*
> *Checking access to the real-time clock... readable - good*
> *Checking whether you're in the 'audio' group... yes - good*
> *Checking for multiple 'audio' groups... no - good*
> *Checking the ability to prioritize processes with chrt... yes - good*
> *Checking kernel support for high resolution timers... found - good*
> *Kernel with Real-Time Preemption... not found - not good*
> *Kernel without real-time capabilities found*
> *For more information, see
> http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration#installing_a_real-time_kernel
> *
> *Checking if kernel system timer is set to 1000 hz... found - good*
> *Checking kernel support for tickless timer... found - good*
> *== Other checks ==*
> *Checking filesystem types... ok.*
> *ok.*
> *** Set $SOUND_CARD_IRQ to the IRQ of your soundcard to enable more checks.*
> *   Find your sound card's IRQ by looking at '/proc/interrupts' and lspci.*
> *[paum at bookes ~]$ *
> 
> 
> and I dont understand two things:
> 
> *Kernel with Real-Time Preemption... not found - not good*
> *Kernel without real-time capabilities found*
> *BUT*
> *[paum at bookes ~]$ uname -a*
> *Linux bookes 3.6.11-rt33-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sun Apr 28 12:18:40 CEST
> 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux*
> *[paum at bookes ~]$ *
> 

Hello Fero,

Where did you get the realTimeConfigQuickScan script? The author updated
it a month ago so it also checks for the right CONFIG option for 3.x
kernels. And did you compile the kernel yourself?

> and the second, how to:
>  ** Set $SOUND_CARD_IRQ to the IRQ of your soundcard to enable more checks.
>    Find your sound card's IRQ by looking at '/proc/interrupts' and lspci.
> ??
> 

This only applies for onboard or PCI audio interfaces, so not for USB
and FireWire interfaces.

Regards,

Jeremy

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Wed Jul  3 08:09:08 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:09:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <51D31B94.90800@linuxaudio.org>
References: <CAM6dkpWvThoBFX3tybbb1piFXbXbh=5bJMXB7ohTQjfMGk0iAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/02/2013 08:27 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 07:49 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Fero Kiraly <fero.kiraly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have some troubles - read xruns - with this setup:
>> There's a lot more to removing Xruns from a system than just the kernel and
>> JACK settings (although they are very important :)
> 
>  * linux 3.2.35-2 PREEMPT RT
>    (debian's RT kernel recompiled with VSL1818 clock selector fix added)
>  * jackd 1.9.10 (git)
>  * Rui's rtirq script
>  * jackd with -p64 -n2 (actually jackdbus)

Hi Robin,

So with and USB2.0 audio interface like the 181VSL using -n2 yields a
stable setup too, no need anymore to use -n3?

>  * presonus 1818VSL
> 
> -> very reliable no x-runs
> 
>> Known things that need to be done:
>> -Interrupt requests of your hardware must be prioritized (rtirq script
>> helps here)
>> -Interrupt thread handlers (on RT kernel) must be prioritized
>> -Thread priorities must be checked for JACK itself
> 
> +1, +1, +1
> 
>> Some other things to look into are:
>> -CPU scaling (causes Xruns here, although others say it works fine)
> 
> no problem here w/freq scaling. I have disabled C1E halt states and EIST
> in the Bios, though.
>

I have yet to encounter a BIOS that has these options.

Regards,

Jeremy

From robin at gareus.org  Wed Jul  3 08:31:55 2013
From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:31:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <51D3DC24.9050906@autostatic.com>
References: <CAM6dkpWvThoBFX3tybbb1piFXbXbh=5bJMXB7ohTQjfMGk0iAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/03/2013 10:09 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 07/02/2013 08:27 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013 07:49 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Fero Kiraly
>>> <fero.kiraly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have some troubles - read xruns - with this setup:
>>> There's a lot more to removing Xruns from a system than just
>>> the kernel and JACK settings (although they are very important
>>> :)
>> 
>> * linux 3.2.35-2 PREEMPT RT (debian's RT kernel recompiled with
>> VSL1818 clock selector fix added) * jackd 1.9.10 (git) * Rui's
>> rtirq script * jackd with -p64 -n2 (actually jackdbus)
> 
> Hi Robin,
> 
> So with and USB2.0 audio interface like the 181VSL using -n2 yields
> a stable setup too, no need anymore to use -n3?
> 

I don't know if that's USB-2.0 or something else.. - The same goes for
the statement that "USB devices should perform better if the sample
rate is divisible by the period size". I cannot find any evidence that
supports that statement.

As with all complex systems, I trust measurements more than theory:

  http://robin.linuxaudio.org/tmp/vsl1818latency.png

(x-axis are permutations of jackd's -p, -n, --sync parameters,
no x-runs with either configuration but it's just jackd + jack_delay,
no load).

[Surprisingly]? the latency increments are not quantized to
milliseconds (as the USB protocol implementation would suggest it should).


From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Wed Jul  3 09:03:59 2013
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 11:03:59 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Carla Plugin Host 1.0.0 released!
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On 03.07.2013 09:04, Louigi Verona wrote:
> This is great news indeed!
>
> I've been using Carla for the past few months and I can say it is a 
> great plugin host and you are able to save the project and reopen it 
> later. The GUI is very good, comfortable to use, easy to assign MIDI 
> control.
>
> All in all, Carla is there as a permanent element of my workflow.
>
> Thanks Filipe!
>

I second this opinion. It's a great work!

Flo

>
>
>
> -- 
> Louigi Verona
> http://www.louigiverona.ru/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 09:49:52 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:49:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpXTnwdWKau2Z732bEQdc1=BkuQrkU-+07caj3HMTWMZuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jeremy

I gt get realtimeconfigQuickscan from AUR
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/realtimeconfigquickscan/

I just updated to new version and what I have 'not good' is:
...
Checking kernel support for tickless timer... not found - not good
Try enabling tickless timer support (CONFIG_NO_HZ)
...

kernel I have compiled by myself, but I did no config changes.
should I ?


fero
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Wed Jul  3 10:05:18 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:05:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On 07/03/2013 11:49 AM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
> Hi Jeremy
> 
> I gt get realtimeconfigQuickscan from AUR
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/realtimeconfigquickscan/
> 
> I just updated to new version and what I have 'not good' is:
> ...
> Checking kernel support for tickless timer... not found - not good
> Try enabling tickless timer support (CONFIG_NO_HZ)
> ...
> 

If you have CONFIG_HZ=1000 then it should be ok assuming this is about a
desktop/notebook. Afaik CONFIG_NO_HZ is a power-consumption related
setting, setting this option makes the kernel timer only wake up when
requested while setting it at 1000Hz activates it all the time. Not sure
if I worded that right, I'm not a kernel expert. With respect to
performance implications I can't say anything sensible. I'm using
kernels with CONFIG_HZ=1000 and CONFIG_NO_HZ=y side by side and haven't
noticed any real differences so far.

> kernel I have compiled by myself, but I did no config changes.
> should I ?
> 

Afaik that's not necessary.


Jeremy

> 
> fero
> 


From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 10:31:01 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:31:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpWOHiQzBHGS6HPp7tQhyfHj1M7eXFcQGYH6MXR8E7AAPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jeremy,

yes, my timer should be ok:
...
Checking if kernel system timer is set to 1000 hz... found - good
...

now I have configured rtirq due to harry's article and seems good
48000/64/2

I am gonna to testing..

great forum,
great people,
great software.

thank you all.

fero
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 12:27:38 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:27:38 +0100
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>wrote:

> On 07/03/2013 12:19 AM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> Nice article Harry! Some remarks though:
> * Is /dev/rtc the kernel timer? I thought it was the device node for
> access to the real-time clock. I don't even think it's necessary to
> prioritize it anymore because most applications use the kernel timer:
> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#hardware_timers
> I'm far from an expert on timers so I could be wrong, I still find this
> a bit of esoteric stuff.
>
Same here: I wrote that because its in my setup, and AFAIK its the kernel
timer... Just found this article:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/rtc.txt   It suggests that
/dev/rtc is the "old" RTC, and /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc1 .. rtcX is the new
system. I have got /dev/rtc0 present on my system. I'll investigate into
whether JACK / the ALSA backend use /dev/rtc, or if it really isn't used
anymore.


> * Using setpci in this context is deprecated unless you're still using
> am machine with a PCI bus which I highly doubt:
> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#pci_bus_latency
>
I was advised on IRC that the PCI bandwidth reset would help, and it didn't
negatively influence my machine: hence I added it.

lspci -v -t shows that my firewire, cardbus ("CardBus bridge: Texas
Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller")  SD card and multimedia card
readers are on the same branch, connected to the root node. I suppose
rm-modding those kernel modules would ensure better performance (not using
them probably suffices).

The graphics chip is on its own node, also connected directly to the root.
I don't think it'll get in the way.. Setting the latencies won't hurt, I'll
leave it there for now but add a note that on modern hardware its not
necessary.

Thanks for the feedback! -Harry
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From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Wed Jul  3 13:26:44 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:26:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Slightly O/T was:  linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:27:38 +0100
Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>wrote:
> 
> > On 07/03/2013 12:19 AM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> > Nice article Harry! Some remarks though:
> > * Is /dev/rtc the kernel timer? I thought it was the device node for
> > access to the real-time clock. I don't even think it's necessary to
> > prioritize it anymore because most applications use the kernel timer:
> > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#hardware_timers
> > I'm far from an expert on timers so I could be wrong, I still find this
> > a bit of esoteric stuff.
> >
> Same here: I wrote that because its in my setup, and AFAIK its the kernel
> timer... Just found this article:
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/rtc.txt   It suggests that
> /dev/rtc is the "old" RTC, and /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc1 .. rtcX is the new
> system. I have got /dev/rtc0 present on my system. I'll investigate into
> whether JACK / the ALSA backend use /dev/rtc, or if it really isn't used
> anymore.
> 
> 
> > * Using setpci in this context is deprecated unless you're still using
> > am machine with a PCI bus which I highly doubt:
> > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#pci_bus_latency
> >
> I was advised on IRC that the PCI bandwidth reset would help, and it didn't
> negatively influence my machine: hence I added it.
> 
> lspci -v -t shows that my firewire, cardbus ("CardBus bridge: Texas
> Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller")  SD card and multimedia card
> readers are on the same branch, connected to the root node. I suppose
> rm-modding those kernel modules would ensure better performance (not using
> them probably suffices).
> 
> The graphics chip is on its own node, also connected directly to the root.
> I don't think it'll get in the way.. Setting the latencies won't hurt, I'll
> leave it there for now but add a note that on modern hardware its not
> necessary.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback! -Harry


Anyone got an idiot's guide for compiling a suitable kernel for debian squeeze?
I don't really have any problems but feel sure I could get more out of this
beast (a quad core AMD), and might get slightly better timing.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Wed Jul  3 13:27:54 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:27:54 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Slightly O/T was:  linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <20130703142644.2330f647@debian>
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:26:44 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:27:38 +0100
> Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>wrote:
> > 
> > > On 07/03/2013 12:19 AM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> > > Nice article Harry! Some remarks though:
> > > * Is /dev/rtc the kernel timer? I thought it was the device node for
> > > access to the real-time clock. I don't even think it's necessary to
> > > prioritize it anymore because most applications use the kernel timer:
> > > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#hardware_timers
> > > I'm far from an expert on timers so I could be wrong, I still find this
> > > a bit of esoteric stuff.
> > >
> > Same here: I wrote that because its in my setup, and AFAIK its the kernel
> > timer... Just found this article:
> > https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/rtc.txt   It suggests that
> > /dev/rtc is the "old" RTC, and /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc1 .. rtcX is the new
> > system. I have got /dev/rtc0 present on my system. I'll investigate into
> > whether JACK / the ALSA backend use /dev/rtc, or if it really isn't used
> > anymore.
> > 
> > 
> > > * Using setpci in this context is deprecated unless you're still using
> > > am machine with a PCI bus which I highly doubt:
> > > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#pci_bus_latency
> > >
> > I was advised on IRC that the PCI bandwidth reset would help, and it didn't
> > negatively influence my machine: hence I added it.
> > 
> > lspci -v -t shows that my firewire, cardbus ("CardBus bridge: Texas
> > Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller")  SD card and multimedia card
> > readers are on the same branch, connected to the root node. I suppose
> > rm-modding those kernel modules would ensure better performance (not using
> > them probably suffices).
> > 
> > The graphics chip is on its own node, also connected directly to the root.
> > I don't think it'll get in the way.. Setting the latencies won't hurt, I'll
> > leave it there for now but add a note that on modern hardware its not
> > necessary.
> > 
> > Thanks for the feedback! -Harry
> 
> 
> Anyone got an idiot's guide for compiling a suitable kernel for debian squeeze?
> I don't really have any problems but feel sure I could get more out of this
> beast (a quad core AMD), and might get slightly better timing.


Oops!
Not Squeeze, but Wheezy :o

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Wed Jul  3 13:35:23 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:35:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Slightly O/T was:  linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <20130703142754.04a6d90d@debian>
References: <CAM6dkpXujVnRpm7-HUtckBg8oWX2G1uLX1F_a6ugVMdnLepMnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKudYbPO7L-r_Gg8Q+=OiJjnK74GH1xr-6b_hpq8_cnj=Uccbw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKudYbMoj0fyYKAo2fBf8n=rtvDCMfqN=Vsy+quM3-18s2=32A@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D3D618.2@autostatic.com>
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 <20130703142644.2330f647@debian> <20130703142754.04a6d90d@debian>
Message-ID: <51D4289B.80406@autostatic.com>

On 07/03/2013 03:27 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> > 
>> > Anyone got an idiot's guide for compiling a suitable kernel for debian squeeze?
>> > I don't really have any problems but feel sure I could get more out of this
>> > beast (a quad core AMD), and might get slightly better timing.
> 
> Oops!
> Not Squeeze, but Wheezy :o

Hi Will,

http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#build_your_own_real-time_kernel_on_debian_wheezy_or_later

Regards,

Jeremy

From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 15:05:14 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:05:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
Message-ID: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online! :D
It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is a
bit more electronic than last one.

I prepared a page for this at my new website,
http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , but my host is a little shaky, so
it might not always work. So, if that link doesn't work, you can find the
album at:

Bandcamp
http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ordinary-day-montage
Soundcloud
https://soundcloud.com/zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-montage
FLAC/OGG/MP3-formats for download at Piratebay:
http://thepiratebay.sx/user/zthmusic/

I'm very excited to be finished and to have completed this. Everything was,
as always, 100% made with Linux and Linux software. It's also licensed
CC-BY-SA. I wrote a bit about the album and what I've used technically too
at http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , if anyone wants to check that
out!

Anyway, thank you for taking your time to listen! I greatly appreciate it!
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From egor.sanin at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 16:12:07 2013
From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:12:07 -0400
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALVwFW_9QiB3dqatZyEgUtfHJAcPZMoquW+=FakaV3C3ApPDDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gabbe!

On 7/3/13, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online!
> :D
> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is a
> bit more electronic than last one.

This is absolutely great!  I'm tapping my foot as I type this email,
wonderful, easy summer beats.  Thanks for sharing your great work.

From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 17:04:51 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:04:51 -0700
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <20130702211643.GA1832@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130702211643.GA1832@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it>
Message-ID: <CAE8SejF4vpOKGL_gLYue=1rVieNv=JPGizt7JM+3jpbb0YedFA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, I guess I missed that sidebar in SoundonSound about cricket
breeding practices for a quieter studio.

Who knew that when they talked about "sex, drugs, and rockNroll" they
were talking about crickets too? :-)

Rusty


On 7/2/13, Tito Latini <tito.01beta at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:40:50AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> Does any one know of a simple tool for removing crickets from my home
>> studio? :-)
>
> There are four types of cricket song: The calling song attracts
> females and repels other males, and is fairly loud. The courting
> song is used when a female cricket is near, and is a very quiet
> song. An aggressive song is triggered by chemoreceptors on the
> antennae that detect the near presence of another male cricket
> and a copulatory song is produced for a brief period after a
> successful mating.
>                 -- Wikipedia
>
> Algorithm to remove the cricket noise (pseudo-code):
>
>   - put a cricket-female near the door of the studio
>
>   - cricketto starts the calling song
>
>   - when you hear the courting song, push the crickets out and
>     close the door of the studio
>
>   - cricket noise is removed if the copulatory song is out of the studio
>
> HTH
>
> tito
>

From zotz at 100jamz.com  Wed Jul  3 17:11:23 2013
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:11:23 -0400
Subject: [LAU] command line cricket removal tool?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejF4vpOKGL_gLYue=1rVieNv=JPGizt7JM+3jpbb0YedFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejHzXGuVSpu7KSuF-3r_3JQcFVEfRJuSqwu5N24X1Orr5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130702211643.GA1832@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it>
 <CAE8SejF4vpOKGL_gLYue=1rVieNv=JPGizt7JM+3jpbb0YedFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201307031311.23265.zotz@100jamz.com>

On Wednesday 03 July 2013 13:04:51 Rusty Perez wrote:
> Wow, I guess I missed that sidebar in SoundonSound about cricket
> breeding practices for a quieter studio.
>
> Who knew that when they talked about "sex, drugs, and rockNroll" they
> were talking about crickets too? :-)

It is a shrouded homage to Buddy Holly and his band...
>
> Rusty

drew
>
> On 7/2/13, Tito Latini <tito.01beta at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 09:40:50AM -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >> Does any one know of a simple tool for removing crickets from my home
> >> studio? :-)
> >
> > There are four types of cricket song: The calling song attracts
> > females and repels other males, and is fairly loud. The courting
> > song is used when a female cricket is near, and is a very quiet
> > song. An aggressive song is triggered by chemoreceptors on the
> > antennae that detect the near presence of another male cricket
> > and a copulatory song is produced for a brief period after a
> > successful mating.
> >                 -- Wikipedia
> >
> > Algorithm to remove the cricket noise (pseudo-code):
> >
> >   - put a cricket-female near the door of the studio
> >
> >   - cricketto starts the calling song
> >
> >   - when you hear the courting song, push the crickets out and
> >     close the door of the studio
> >
> >   - cricket noise is removed if the copulatory song is out of the studio
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > tito
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Jul  3 17:51:38 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 13:51:38 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn480219DfCBDi0w4guGZ95mNT7VGyHnz6bXY85LfwLxv6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn4_Bjh1RuqcwGcwdQqb1Q3ce5d+XeX05QBy8gTa=jXLUWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKC-MPqXH=6Vzrw_NgqiOtdxLfg9P1ZW8_B3YH3nzpqyO_XZEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADqqn49mVvX0ALock7mT4z42K+7q4nQx14RJdpxUGR6OH-s_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D33A2F.6090109@woh.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFa_cKm9Gn1xpCMO85zodKUMh8BUMVTOBhjsFF-dKvm5AUfACA@mail.gmail.com>

Louigi - I didn't take it any other way, really.

I just thought that it was funny and interesting that the entirely
legitimate point about how one (open source) DAW doesn't support one (open
source) plugin API is mirrored by at least one almost identical example in
the proprietary non-linux world.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sure, Paul, my comment on Ardour was not meant to say that you should
> support DSSI. It simply pointed out the facts.
>
> I feel great respect towards developers of Linux Audio and I totally
> understand that each developer has his reasons for doing what he does. So I
> was not even asking "why Ardour doesn't support DSSI", I just said that it
> doesn't. Obviously, you have good reasons for what you are doing.
>
> So, I hope my tone did not turn out as demanding as it was not meant to be
> at all.
>
>
> You made an interesting point about Windows that people just work with
> what they have when on Linux devs spend lots of time fixing things. I
> wonder how big is this effect. Do many people engage in this kind of
> activity?
>
>
>
>
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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 20:19:47 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 22:19:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CALVwFW_9QiB3dqatZyEgUtfHJAcPZMoquW+=FakaV3C3ApPDDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAL=sEa1dkuM7QjzuoZ=aONN9Q=i0Z5wLMy4Qvd1diET2hfd3fA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much for the comment, Egor! I'm very glad you enjoyed it!

It seems like the torrents for some reason is out of function. But it's
still possible to download through both Soundcloud and Bandcamp.

Cheers,
Gabriel/zth

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Egor Sanin <egor.sanin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Gabbe!
>
> On 7/3/13, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online!
> > :D
> > It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is a
> > bit more electronic than last one.
>
> This is absolutely great!  I'm tapping my foot as I type this email,
> wonderful, easy summer beats.  Thanks for sharing your great work.
>
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From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 21:54:21 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 01:54:21 +0400
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1dkuM7QjzuoZ=aONN9Q=i0Z5wLMy4Qvd1diET2hfd3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADqqn4_JPoxjxCikZx8OTw1iK4GOGPeJJwnUcqOGN616JeTZqA@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice, "Come and Play" is fantastic! Like the sound quality. Superb
work and great achievement for you personally and for Linux Audio community
in general!

Thanks for this music!


-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Jul  4 06:24:20 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 20:24:20 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
Message-ID: <51D51514.1030007@hawaii.rr.com>

For a couple of weeks now, it tries to find audio device(s), times out 
after about 30 seconds and kills the search process, and the system 
comes up with no audio whatever.

aplay -l reports no soundcards found.

I can modprobe snd-usb-audio and the USB card works. USB card works on 
other machines without any gyrations at all.

I can modprobe snd-intel8x0 and ALSA then sees the onboard Intel sound.

lsusb shows the sound card even when ALSA doesn't. lspci shows the 
onboard sound device.

Kernel is 32-bit non-RT 3.7.5. alsa-base was updated to 1.0.25.

There were no hardware changes. This is running on my temporary 
replacement very-old (12+ years old) Toshiba laptop. (The 9-year-old 
Toshiba laptop is dead. With grace and a declining credit card balance, 
a new laptop could arrive the end of this month!)

Debian Sid has been running very successfully on this machine for a long 
while.

I've set up a basic script I can run to load the two drivers, but they 
still refuse to load on bootup.

Clues?

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Jul  4 06:58:54 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 20:58:54 -1000
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D51D2E.6060609@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/03/2013 05:05 AM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online! :D
> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is
> a bit more electronic than last one.
>
> I prepared a page for this at my new website,
> http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , but my host is a little shaky,
> so it might not always work. So, if that link doesn't work, you can find
> the album at:
>
> Bandcamp
> http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ordinary-day-montage
> Soundcloud
> https://soundcloud.com/zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-montage
> FLAC/OGG/MP3-formats for download at Piratebay:
> http://thepiratebay.sx/user/zthmusic/

Hmm, many of the Pirate Bay downloads were Windows EXEs?????

Trying the OGG torrent right now, but there appear to be no peers 
sharing it. There's one peer sharing the first FLAC file, but at 3KB/s 
download it's going to be a long time before I get to enjoy your album!

Cannot put it up on archive.org?

Downloaded from SoundCloud.

> I'm very excited to be finished and to have completed this. Everything
> was, as always, 100% made with Linux and Linux software. It's also
> licensed CC-BY-SA. I wrote a bit about the album and what I've used
> technically too at http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , if anyone
> wants to check that out!
>
> Anyway, thank you for taking your time to listen! I greatly appreciate it!

Don't have time to really listen right now, but I like what you're doing 
in Intro. My wife's got one of the televised music talent contests 
running very loudly in the same room, headphones aren't doing a very 
good job of isolating me from that.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From clemens at ladisch.de  Thu Jul  4 08:27:13 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 10:27:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
In-Reply-To: <51D51514.1030007@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <51D51514.1030007@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <51D531E1.7000501@ladisch.de>

david wrote:
> For a couple of weeks now, it tries to find audio device(s), times out
> after about 30 seconds and kills the search process, and the system
> comes up with no audio whatever.
> [...]
> I've set up a basic script I can run to load the two drivers, but they
> still refuse to load on bootup.

What do you mean with "refuse"?  Any rrror messages?  In the system log?


Regards,
Clemens

From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 08:57:14 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:57:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <51D51D2E.6060609@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D51D2E.6060609@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAL=sEa1yD+C1WMxy8z2Gbihgsw4QG=AK+x2OFW8wPq30x2pesw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, sorry about the mess with the torrents!
Check this page out where you can download them all:
http://www.zthmusic.se/available_downloads

Louigi: Thanks a lot! :D I'm very glad that you liked Come and Play, it was
one of the most fun to make, as it's a pretty different song both in terms
of sound and structure, from what I usually do. Thanks again!


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:58 AM, david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> On 07/03/2013 05:05 AM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online!
>> :D
>> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is
>> a bit more electronic than last one.
>>
>> I prepared a page for this at my new website,
>> http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_**Day_Montage<http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage>, but my host is a little shaky,
>> so it might not always work. So, if that link doesn't work, you can find
>> the album at:
>>
>> Bandcamp
>> http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/**album/ordinary-day-montage<http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ordinary-day-montage>
>> Soundcloud
>> https://soundcloud.com/**zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-**montage<https://soundcloud.com/zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-montage>
>> FLAC/OGG/MP3-formats for download at Piratebay:
>> http://thepiratebay.sx/user/**zthmusic/<http://thepiratebay.sx/user/zthmusic/>
>>
>
> Hmm, many of the Pirate Bay downloads were Windows EXEs?????
>
> Trying the OGG torrent right now, but there appear to be no peers sharing
> it. There's one peer sharing the first FLAC file, but at 3KB/s download
> it's going to be a long time before I get to enjoy your album!
>
> Cannot put it up on archive.org?
>
> Downloaded from SoundCloud.
>
>
>  I'm very excited to be finished and to have completed this. Everything
>> was, as always, 100% made with Linux and Linux software. It's also
>> licensed CC-BY-SA. I wrote a bit about the album and what I've used
>> technically too at http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_**Day_Montage<http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage>, if anyone
>> wants to check that out!
>>
>> Anyway, thank you for taking your time to listen! I greatly appreciate it!
>>
>
> Don't have time to really listen right now, but I like what you're doing
> in Intro. My wife's got one of the televised music talent contests running
> very loudly in the same room, headphones aren't doing a very good job of
> isolating me from that.
>
> --
> David
> gnome at hawaii.rr.com
> authenticity, honesty, community
> http://dancingtreefrog.com
> http://clanjones.org/david/
> http://dancing-treefrog.**deviantart.com/<http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/>
> ______________________________**_________________
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Jul  4 09:47:59 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 23:47:59 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
In-Reply-To: <51D531E1.7000501@ladisch.de>
References: <51D51514.1030007@hawaii.rr.com> <51D531E1.7000501@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <51D544CF.80509@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/03/2013 10:27 PM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> david wrote:
>> For a couple of weeks now, it tries to find audio device(s), times out
>> after about 30 seconds and kills the search process, and the system
>> comes up with no audio whatever.
>> [...]
>> I've set up a basic script I can run to load the two drivers, but they
>> still refuse to load on bootup.
>
> What do you mean with "refuse"?  Any rrror messages?  In the system log?

According to syslog, it's finds and sets up both the USB device and the 
Intel snd_intel8x0 just fine. No errors there. OK, so I guess they're 
loading. But ALSA still insists there are no soundcards. Does ALSA have 
a log somewhere?

If I watch the screen during bootup, it's udev timing out when trying to 
do something with the USB controller the USB card is connected to. The 
udev error doesn't appear in dmesg or any logs.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
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http://clanjones.org/david/
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From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 10:10:48 2013
From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:10:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Fedora Jam
Message-ID: <51D54A28.3010402@gmail.com>

Hi all,

just a quick announcement of the official Fedora Jam audio Spin. Some of 
you may have already been using the nightly composes, but now you can 
find the published Fedora 19 version here:

http://spins.fedoraproject.org/jam-kde/

For linuxsampler, PureData, SuperCollider and others, the Planet CCRMA 
repository is now available for Fedora 19 (thanks Fernando!).

http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/

cheers

Brendan

From julien at mail.upb.de  Thu Jul  4 10:20:18 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:20:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1yD+C1WMxy8z2Gbihgsw4QG=AK+x2OFW8wPq30x2pesw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307041218480.18440@flower.world.net>

Hej Gabbe!
   It's very nice of you to upload the album to your website, but your server 
is really shoddy. Thus I can't complete a download. I think I might wait a 
little. Either it will get better later on or maybe you can get a torrent 
running after all.
   Warm regards and thanks for your efforts
         Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul  4 10:21:49 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 06:21:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D54CBD.6050703@woh.rr.com>

On 07/03/2013 11:05 AM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and 
> online! :D

Nicely done ! Beautiful clear sound through studio phones, I'll check it 
out on the main system after the wife wakes up today. :)

Best,

dp


From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 11:14:34 2013
From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:14:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D5591A.4080407@gmail.com>

On 07/03/2013 05:05 PM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online! :D
> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is
> a bit more electronic than last one.
>
> I prepared a page for this at my new website,
> http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , but my host is a little shaky,
> so it might not always work. So, if that link doesn't work, you can find
> the album at:
>
> Bandcamp
> http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ordinary-day-montage
> Soundcloud
> https://soundcloud.com/zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-montage
> FLAC/OGG/MP3-formats for download at Piratebay:
> http://thepiratebay.sx/user/zthmusic/
>
> I'm very excited to be finished and to have completed this. Everything
> was, as always, 100% made with Linux and Linux software. It's also
> licensed CC-BY-SA. I wrote a bit about the album and what I've used
> technically too at http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , if anyone
> wants to check that out!
>
> Anyway, thank you for taking your time to listen! I greatly appreciate it!
Awesome work yet again. Congrats Gabbe!

From clemens at ladisch.de  Thu Jul  4 11:26:06 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:26:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
In-Reply-To: <51D544CF.80509@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <51D51514.1030007@hawaii.rr.com> <51D531E1.7000501@ladisch.de>
 <51D544CF.80509@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <51D55BCE.9040904@ladisch.de>

david wrote:
> On 07/03/2013 10:27 PM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>> Any rrror messages?  In the system log?
>
> According to syslog, it's finds and sets up both the USB device and
> the Intel snd_intel8x0 just fine. No errors there. OK, so I guess
> they're loading. But ALSA still insists there are no soundcards. Does
> ALSA have a log somewhere?

That is the ALSA log.

Do you have the device nodes in /dev/snd/?  Are they accessible for
your user?

> If I watch the screen during bootup, it's udev timing out when trying
> to do something with the USB controller the USB card is connected to.

Is that the message?  "doing something ... timed out"?


Regards,
Clemens

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Thu Jul  4 11:40:54 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:40:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
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On 07/01/2013 05:16 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> 
> On Tue, July 2, 2013 12:44 am, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>> On 07/01/2013 04:12 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>>> IIUC the potential issues with period sizes with non powers of
>>> two are at the application level. JACK is agnostic about it.
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes, guitarix for instance doesn't like period sizes that are not
>> a power of two.
>> 
>>> Anyway it's a little spooky that you get better performance
>>> with -p64 than -p128 even in playback only mode.
>> 
>> Well I'm testing and haven't done any real stress-tests yet.
>> Maybe it was a one-off. At least I get undistorted sound out of
>> this device. Now if I could only figure out why JACK bails out
>> every once so often.
> 
> Does this happen with or without wifi enabled?
> 
>> And why full-duplex doesn't work, well, it works but the audio
>> coming out is distorted.
>> 
> 
> System load causing distortion on the Audio device in duplex mode.
> It suggests something is wrong with the bus and or interrupts but I
> don't see why it would be ok in playback only mode. Not sure if it
> is related but I have noticed that my old usb quattro often takes a
> while to warm up. Sometimes I have to run it for a few hours and
> start/stop jack several times to get undistorted output.
> 
> Another issue is the Rockchip devs probably haven't tested the
> device at low latency with duplex mode so they haven't picked up
> that issue. We can try flagging it with them.
> 
> I forgot what the audio chipset is. Can you post the output of cat 
> /proc/asound/cards?
> 

jeremy at rk3066:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [RK29RK1000     ]: RK29_RK1000 - RK29_RK1000
                      RK29_RK1000
 1 [HDMI           ]: ROCKCHIP_HDMI - ROCKCHIP HDMI
                      ROCKCHIP HDMI
 2 [Device         ]: USB-Audio - Generic USB Audio Device
                      Generic USB Audio Device at usb-usb20_host-1.1,
full speed

'Device' is a $2 USB audio interface with a C-Media chipset. But I got
one step further:

jeremy at rk3066:~$ uname -a
Linux rk3066 3.0.36-rt58 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Jul 4 13:18:23 CEST
2013 armv7l GNU/Linux

So I've got a RT kernel running on it. Moving on :)

Jeremy

> 
> 
> 
> -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd 
> _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user
> mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org 
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From treees at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 15:37:05 2013
From: treees at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Fabi=E1n?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 17:37:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <51D5591A.4080407@gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO=AsUrLOQt1rVTFWHjs_gd0g3GBovE=tQMwDSdSxZTEi+OZyA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, great job, amazing sound and great tunes. I'd love to know how did you
setup the drumset, are they the defaults in Hydrogen? Maybe i'll touch a
bit the sound of hhat, cymbals and ride to make it more "real". For my ears
that would be just perfect.

Anyway, i'm absolutely amazed by your sounds!


2013/7/4 Brendan Jones <brendan.jones.it at gmail.com>

> On 07/03/2013 05:05 PM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online!
>> :D
>> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is
>> a bit more electronic than last one.
>>
>> I prepared a page for this at my new website,
>> http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_**Day_Montage<http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage>, but my host is a little shaky,
>> so it might not always work. So, if that link doesn't work, you can find
>> the album at:
>>
>> Bandcamp
>> http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/**album/ordinary-day-montage<http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ordinary-day-montage>
>> Soundcloud
>> https://soundcloud.com/**zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-**montage<https://soundcloud.com/zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-montage>
>> FLAC/OGG/MP3-formats for download at Piratebay:
>> http://thepiratebay.sx/user/**zthmusic/<http://thepiratebay.sx/user/zthmusic/>
>>
>> I'm very excited to be finished and to have completed this. Everything
>> was, as always, 100% made with Linux and Linux software. It's also
>> licensed CC-BY-SA. I wrote a bit about the album and what I've used
>> technically too at http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_**Day_Montage<http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage>, if anyone
>> wants to check that out!
>>
>> Anyway, thank you for taking your time to listen! I greatly appreciate it!
>>
> Awesome work yet again. Congrats Gabbe!
>
> ______________________________**_________________
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From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 17:10:36 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:10:36 -0700
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAO=AsUrLOQt1rVTFWHjs_gd0g3GBovE=tQMwDSdSxZTEi+OZyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Nice work Gabbe,
I have to admit that the genre is not exactly my thing, but I was
quite impressed by your manipulation of effects and sculpting of the
instrument sounds. I kindof enjoyed the reverse sounds, and sortof
envelope manipulations.
I also enjoyed your rhythmic play on a couple of the tunes.


It was quite clear and clean through my studio phones.

Nice work!
Rusty


On 7/4/13, Juan Fabi?n <treees at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, great job, amazing sound and great tunes. I'd love to know how did you
> setup the drumset, are they the defaults in Hydrogen? Maybe i'll touch a
> bit the sound of hhat, cymbals and ride to make it more "real". For my ears
> that would be just perfect.
>
> Anyway, i'm absolutely amazed by your sounds!
>
>
> 2013/7/4 Brendan Jones <brendan.jones.it at gmail.com>
>
>> On 07/03/2013 05:05 PM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone!
>>>
>>> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and
>>> online!
>>> :D
>>> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is
>>> a bit more electronic than last one.
>>>
>>> I prepared a page for this at my new website,
>>> http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_**Day_Montage<http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage>,
>>> but my host is a little shaky,
>>> so it might not always work. So, if that link doesn't work, you can find
>>> the album at:
>>>
>>> Bandcamp
>>> http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/**album/ordinary-day-montage<http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ordinary-day-montage>
>>> Soundcloud
>>> https://soundcloud.com/**zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-**montage<https://soundcloud.com/zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-montage>
>>> FLAC/OGG/MP3-formats for download at Piratebay:
>>> http://thepiratebay.sx/user/**zthmusic/<http://thepiratebay.sx/user/zthmusic/>
>>>
>>> I'm very excited to be finished and to have completed this. Everything
>>> was, as always, 100% made with Linux and Linux software. It's also
>>> licensed CC-BY-SA. I wrote a bit about the album and what I've used
>>> technically too at
>>> http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_**Day_Montage<http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage>,
>>> if anyone
>>> wants to check that out!
>>>
>>> Anyway, thank you for taking your time to listen! I greatly appreciate
>>> it!
>>>
>> Awesome work yet again. Congrats Gabbe!
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>>
>

From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 17:36:50 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:36:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
Message-ID: <CAE8SejGw_2tRDQgkf69k+k-d_RQ7YP_oKipe=Uz0RAM9OtfbkA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,
Let me start out by saying that I don't  intend for this to be a
"which is better" discussion. This is more of a "why?" discussion,
and, "what can you do with it which can't be done otherwise?"
discussion.

 In reviewing the list of applications  Gabbe used on the new album,
there is  mention  of an application used to visualize the  mix. I got
to wondering.
A mix is purely an auditory medium, right? So, (and I'll play dumb
here) why do we need to visualize a mix?
Now, part of this is purely selfish, since I happen to be blind, and
so these visualization tools are not available to me. But, though I
understand the advantages of an onscreen mixer, or a mouse driven
interface, since, theoretically everything conveyed in an audible mix
is received by the ears, shouldn't it be enough to experience it,
perceive it, analyze it audibly?

Now, of course, I understand that deficiencies in speakers or
headphones, audio volume limitations, maybe even hearing limitations
are likely some reasons for using a visual method for analyzing an
audio medium, but are there others?

I also understand the idea that, if a tool is available, then it
should, be used, but is there something which can be achieved, in the
audio spectrum, which can only be achieved via the visual medium?

Just some thoughts.
Rusty

From bob at mellowood.ca  Thu Jul  4 18:10:04 2013
From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:10:04 -0700
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejGw_2tRDQgkf69k+k-d_RQ7YP_oKipe=Uz0RAM9OtfbkA@mail.gmail.com>
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Interesting points ... especially today, since I just got "elected" to
conduct a new concert band we're setting up here (for beginners ...
should be interesting). But, having done a bit of study about the role
of a conductor it really does bring the "audio only" question to the
forefront. And I'd not talking about the highly visible music we see
at rock concerts, etc.

As an audience member I find myself playing lots of attention to the
conductor as well as the physical movements of players: the tension in
the face of a cello player, the stance of a trumpeter, etc.

So, for live music ... yeah, the visual becomes quite important. But,
when we translate this to a recording, the visual is all but lost.
Even in a video recording, I get very little sense of the visual.
Maybe I need a much bigger screen?

I have decent vision, so I have no idea how this translates to a blind
person. I can only assume that other senses assume the role of sight?

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Let me start out by saying that I don't  intend for this to be a
> "which is better" discussion. This is more of a "why?" discussion,
> and, "what can you do with it which can't be done otherwise?"
> discussion.
>
>  In reviewing the list of applications  Gabbe used on the new album,
> there is  mention  of an application used to visualize the  mix. I got
> to wondering.
> A mix is purely an auditory medium, right? So, (and I'll play dumb
> here) why do we need to visualize a mix?
> Now, part of this is purely selfish, since I happen to be blind, and
> so these visualization tools are not available to me. But, though I
> understand the advantages of an onscreen mixer, or a mouse driven
> interface, since, theoretically everything conveyed in an audible mix
> is received by the ears, shouldn't it be enough to experience it,
> perceive it, analyze it audibly?
>
> Now, of course, I understand that deficiencies in speakers or
> headphones, audio volume limitations, maybe even hearing limitations
> are likely some reasons for using a visual method for analyzing an
> audio medium, but are there others?
>
> I also understand the idea that, if a tool is available, then it
> should, be used, but is there something which can be achieved, in the
> audio spectrum, which can only be achieved via the visual medium?
>
> Just some thoughts.
> Rusty
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user



-- 
**** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca
WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca

From surfacepatterns at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 18:51:00 2013
From: surfacepatterns at gmail.com (Devin Anderson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:51:00 -0700
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG7zqTqiaw5zcBRSO41BRo6nn3esZuwy_mrpY0CyXvGgCJZuwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gabbe,

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online! :D
> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is a
> bit more electronic than last one.

I'm listening to your album while writing code.  I'm really enjoying
your music.  The melodies are beautiful.  The transitions between
songs are beautifully executed, and yet each song is obviously
distinct from the others before it.  Each part sits in the mix on its
own, and doesn't crowd the other parts.

If I had to pick one target for improvement, I'd say that the mix
feels a bit too compressed in some parts of the first couple songs;
however, I think now that might be an artistic choice, as the fourth
and fifth songs have a lot of interesting, fantastic dynamics.

I love the use of resonance in the synth sound at the end of "Come and Play".

Great job.

--
Devin Anderson
surfacepatterns (at) gmail (dot) com

blog - http://surfacepatterns.blogspot.com/
midisnoop - http://midisnoop.googlecode.com/
psinsights - http://psinsights.googlecode.com/
synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/

From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Thu Jul  4 19:00:50 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 05:00:50 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
In-Reply-To: <51D55F46.3040308@autostatic.com>
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On Thu, July 4, 2013 9:40 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 07/01/2013 05:16 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, July 2, 2013 12:44 am, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>>> On 07/01/2013 04:12 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>>>> IIUC the potential issues with period sizes with non powers of
>>>> two are at the application level. JACK is agnostic about it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, guitarix for instance doesn't like period sizes that are not
>>> a power of two.
>>>
>>>> Anyway it's a little spooky that you get better performance
>>>> with -p64 than -p128 even in playback only mode.
>>>
>>> Well I'm testing and haven't done any real stress-tests yet.
>>> Maybe it was a one-off. At least I get undistorted sound out of
>>> this device. Now if I could only figure out why JACK bails out
>>> every once so often.
>>
>> Does this happen with or without wifi enabled?
>>
>>> And why full-duplex doesn't work, well, it works but the audio
>>> coming out is distorted.
>>>
>>
>> System load causing distortion on the Audio device in duplex mode.
>> It suggests something is wrong with the bus and or interrupts but I
>> don't see why it would be ok in playback only mode. Not sure if it
>> is related but I have noticed that my old usb quattro often takes a
>> while to warm up. Sometimes I have to run it for a few hours and
>> start/stop jack several times to get undistorted output.
>>
>> Another issue is the Rockchip devs probably haven't tested the
>> device at low latency with duplex mode so they haven't picked up
>> that issue. We can try flagging it with them.
>>
>> I forgot what the audio chipset is. Can you post the output of cat
>> /proc/asound/cards?
>>
>
> jeremy at rk3066:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
>  0 [RK29RK1000     ]: RK29_RK1000 - RK29_RK1000
>                       RK29_RK1000
>  1 [HDMI           ]: ROCKCHIP_HDMI - ROCKCHIP HDMI
>                       ROCKCHIP HDMI
>  2 [Device         ]: USB-Audio - Generic USB Audio Device
>                       Generic USB Audio Device at usb-usb20_host-1.1,
> full speed
>
> 'Device' is a $2 USB audio interface with a C-Media chipset.

Have you been using this for testing at low latency?


> But I got
> one step further:
>
> jeremy at rk3066:~$ uname -a
> Linux rk3066 3.0.36-rt58 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Jul 4 13:18:23 CEST
> 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
>
> So I've got a RT kernel running on it. Moving on :)
>

Nicely done!

What was the blocker in the end?



--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Thu Jul  4 19:13:27 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:13:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out
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On 07/04/2013 09:00 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> jeremy at rk3066:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
>> >  0 [RK29RK1000     ]: RK29_RK1000 - RK29_RK1000
>> >                       RK29_RK1000
>> >  1 [HDMI           ]: ROCKCHIP_HDMI - ROCKCHIP HDMI
>> >                       ROCKCHIP HDMI
>> >  2 [Device         ]: USB-Audio - Generic USB Audio Device
>> >                       Generic USB Audio Device at usb-usb20_host-1.1,
>> > full speed
>> >
>> > 'Device' is a $2 USB audio interface with a C-Media chipset.
> Have you been using this for testing at low latency?
> 

Yes. It's actually the same as the device used here:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/jack_latency_tests

> 
>> > But I got
>> > one step further:
>> >
>> > jeremy at rk3066:~$ uname -a
>> > Linux rk3066 3.0.36-rt58 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Jul 4 13:18:23 CEST
>> > 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
>> >
>> > So I've got a RT kernel running on it. Moving on :)
>> >
> Nicely done!
> 
> What was the blocker in the end?

drivers/mmc/host/rk29_sdmmc.c

I've attached a patch. It's probably a quick and dirty hack but it seems
to work ok, ran it for a couple of hours today without any issues.

Jeremy

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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 20:11:53 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 22:11:53 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
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Thank you so much for you comments everyone!! Really wonderful to hear,
thanks!

Brendan: We spoke briefly on IRC, but thank you very much again!

Juan: Thank you very much! It's actually not Hydrogen at all, but only the
Salamander Drumkit through LinuxSampler, sequenced in Ardour. And I agree
with the realism on the drums, I wish I had more of an ear for what sounds
real and not with drums. However, usually I make a conscious choice to
trade realism for an additional sound I like or so. Like in the 3rd song
Still, where I'd like to meet the drummer who could play the ride, hihat
and snare the same way that I've made it :D

Rusty: Thanks! I'm glad the production seems to hold in your headphones too!

Devin: Oh, thank you so much! It makes me very glad that you commented the
transitions as well, I was aware it was a bit of a gamble to put them in,
but hopefully they weren't too much!






On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Devin Anderson <surfacepatterns at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Gabbe,
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and
> online! :D
> > It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is a
> > bit more electronic than last one.
>
> I'm listening to your album while writing code.  I'm really enjoying
> your music.  The melodies are beautiful.  The transitions between
> songs are beautifully executed, and yet each song is obviously
> distinct from the others before it.  Each part sits in the mix on its
> own, and doesn't crowd the other parts.
>
> If I had to pick one target for improvement, I'd say that the mix
> feels a bit too compressed in some parts of the first couple songs;
> however, I think now that might be an artistic choice, as the fourth
> and fifth songs have a lot of interesting, fantastic dynamics.
>
> I love the use of resonance in the synth sound at the end of "Come and
> Play".
>
> Great job.
>
> --
> Devin Anderson
> surfacepatterns (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> blog - http://surfacepatterns.blogspot.com/
> midisnoop - http://midisnoop.googlecode.com/
> psinsights - http://psinsights.googlecode.com/
> synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/
>
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From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 20:45:23 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 13:45:23 -0700
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
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Hi Bob,
That's not quite the direction I was going, but very interesting
nonetheless. I know people enjoy watching me perform--I play guitar
and sing, and am a looper/percussionist as well.
I am familiar with the concept of the "solo" face for guitarists. :-)
I would imagine that watching a person perform live must be just as
facinating as the music. People always comment on the visual aspects
of a musical performance, and sometimes I think it's meaningless, and
other times I don't, because it quite obviously  is part of the
experience for most every one else.

Rusty


On 7/4/13, Bob van der Poel <bob at mellowood.ca> wrote:
> Interesting points ... especially today, since I just got "elected" to
> conduct a new concert band we're setting up here (for beginners ...
> should be interesting). But, having done a bit of study about the role
> of a conductor it really does bring the "audio only" question to the
> forefront. And I'd not talking about the highly visible music we see
> at rock concerts, etc.
>
> As an audience member I find myself playing lots of attention to the
> conductor as well as the physical movements of players: the tension in
> the face of a cello player, the stance of a trumpeter, etc.
>
> So, for live music ... yeah, the visual becomes quite important. But,
> when we translate this to a recording, the visual is all but lost.
> Even in a video recording, I get very little sense of the visual.
> Maybe I need a much bigger screen?
>
> I have decent vision, so I have no idea how this translates to a blind
> person. I can only assume that other senses assume the role of sight?
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> Let me start out by saying that I don't  intend for this to be a
>> "which is better" discussion. This is more of a "why?" discussion,
>> and, "what can you do with it which can't be done otherwise?"
>> discussion.
>>
>>  In reviewing the list of applications  Gabbe used on the new album,
>> there is  mention  of an application used to visualize the  mix. I got
>> to wondering.
>> A mix is purely an auditory medium, right? So, (and I'll play dumb
>> here) why do we need to visualize a mix?
>> Now, part of this is purely selfish, since I happen to be blind, and
>> so these visualization tools are not available to me. But, though I
>> understand the advantages of an onscreen mixer, or a mouse driven
>> interface, since, theoretically everything conveyed in an audible mix
>> is received by the ears, shouldn't it be enough to experience it,
>> perceive it, analyze it audibly?
>>
>> Now, of course, I understand that deficiencies in speakers or
>> headphones, audio volume limitations, maybe even hearing limitations
>> are likely some reasons for using a visual method for analyzing an
>> audio medium, but are there others?
>>
>> I also understand the idea that, if a tool is available, then it
>> should, be used, but is there something which can be achieved, in the
>> audio spectrum, which can only be achieved via the visual medium?
>>
>> Just some thoughts.
>> Rusty
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
>
> --
> **** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
> Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
> EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca
> WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca
>

From julien at mail.upb.de  Thu Jul  4 21:11:29 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 23:11:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejGw_2tRDQgkf69k+k-d_RQ7YP_oKipe=Uz0RAM9OtfbkA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Rusty!
   I didn't read the other replies, but here are a couple of thoughts.
1. Visual feedback can speed up work. Seeing is two-dimensional and 
instantaneous. So you can see something quickly, whichlistening takes a while 
to find.

2. Modern mixing techniques. Take a metal recording, you want the bassdrum at 
exactly the same instant, that the bass is playing, so you can use compressors 
and some other processing to great effect and maximum volume. The bass is 
played live and so are the drums. For drums, there have been times, where 
people used triggering of samples and then later corrected only the important 
parts via MIDI quantisation. In all other cases it's a question of cutting 
things out and moving them with precision.

3. Finding peaks and other annomalities in the frequency spectrum. You can 
hear it, but again, it can be quicker to start from the visual image.

   I'm sure there are more uses for all kinds of visualisation utilities. Some 
more useful than others. Some of these things can be managed by ear easily, 
others with difficulty and yet others might be managed by some clever 
automated analysing software. But then a computer is sometimes not as good as 
a human. It is fast, but it doesn't know much about difficult decisions. These 
would have to be programmed. They could take up CPU and they might yield bad 
results. Thus it's a question of which is more work: looking at it and doing 
it that way from scratch or using an automated system and correcting the 
errors. That's my take on it.
   One last probable addition could be, that entering things on a keyboard, 
together with the time limitation on sound, that I mentioned before, it takes 
time, is prone to errors and typos. A mouse click in such instances is very 
fast.
   Warm regards and good luck in your quest for knowledge
          Julien

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From julien at mail.upb.de  Thu Jul  4 22:11:14 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 00:11:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Gabbe!
   Before I begin to say any word about the music you made, I will say: thank 
you for all the troubles you got up to to give me a chance to listen to it. 
This is very kind of you and - be assured - very much appreciated!
   As a whole, I very much agree with Dave's vote of the clear sound and good 
mix. The mixes have power, sound well balanced to me. What's even better, is 
that they fall on willing ears. In recent weeks I've turned more and more 
towards electronic music.
   the intro is a good introduction to the sonic world of your album. Slowly 
taking me in, preparing for the Skandinavian sound and feel. The width and 
openness. Only to surprise me later on. there is that Skandinavian feel poking 
through, but not as obvious as before. I like the bassdrum of the intro. It 
appears later on again. It has bite and pumps a little, not in a compression 
artefact way. It's somewhere between an edited acoustic bassdrum and something 
purely electronic. It might even fill the four-to-the-floor niche.
   It is alive is the nice four-to-the-floor piece. And it already shows 
something, which characterises the whole album. The tracks flow seemlessly 
from one into the other. Not only by ambient sounds, but by concept. If it had 
been me, I'd have mixed the snare louder. But that way it keeps the attention, 
while still deliviering. I can't completely let go with that, because, there 
is that small bit, which seems so uncharacteristic. I also love the somehow 
oneiric harmonies. Tending towards minor, yet rarely pure minor chords. While 
having a touch of 90s nostalgia about it, the mix sounds very much like the 
current decade. Do you use "overcompression" to get this slightly pumping 
effect? I noticed that throughout the album and had been wondering. If so: how 
do you compress? The whole song or only certain groups of instruments? - Again 
the bassdrum is nice, crisp and very well defined. Ha! The blend to Still is 
lovely. I recognise the sound and I must admit, that I never dreamt it could 
be used in such a place. Well sed.
   Still: I think here the bassdrum is a little too loud in the mix, but not so 
loud as to bannish the thought of enjoyment. :-) And so we have turned to a 
more hiphop styled track. And it still keeps in the spirit of the earlier 
tracks. As I said: it's a sonic world, this album. Listening to it again, I 
feel, that so far, it appears more like a change in arrangement and style than 
in harmony. It's bordering on my threshhold of boredom. If it wasn't for the 
very nice mixes and well executed styles and the morphing of one into the 
other... but there is that and it holds me. You know, that my threshhold of 
boredom is quite low. Since I'm still more of a prog and baroque listener than 
electronica.
   Come and play; why not. I'm game. :-) This sets a much lighter tone. I love 
the slight touch of breakbeat in this piece. Also the main instrument is 
interesting. the way the piece changes from almost elevator music into almost 
dubstep is great. The way the movement picks up and the arrangement fills up 
from almost meditative spheric guitar to the full beat. Teh effects you used, 
the well-placed delay and how you managed to use that to instantly isolate the 
main "lead" and the rhythm in places. Well done. good trick!
   Full Moon baffled me at first. Perhaps because I approached it with 
preformed notions, of what it should have been. That way it's the piece, that 
I still perceive as the weakest piece on this album. It sounds to common place 
for me. To worldly. The introduction and the "bridge" are the best bits. They 
talk to me of a full moon and the quiet night. The rest is more of the beach 
party next door with its drinking, barbecuing crowd. At least it's a Swedish 
party and not one of those Mallorca crimes, that they probably call "a beach 
happening" or "afterwork holiday". :-) Get out the "let oel" and let's say 
"skol" (sorry can't spell it and didn't find it quickly :-) ).
   I wonder, what you thought, when you called the next composition "Touchdown 
Germany"? Was it the ambient sound from the lecture hall at my uni? Or is it 
the plump beat? That beat, which makes me think of Flaubert, who said 
something about music of the heavens, that we hear, but only produce 
something, which sounds like it's being played on rusting tin drums, written 
for crippled bears. :-) It has a very raw edge this piece, while keeping with 
the flow of the dreamy melodies.
   the Circus reminds me even more of dubstep. Not really, but the stuttering 
rhythm and this change from third notes in a quarter beat. Only your version 
of it is like Debusy's sweet juicy apple eaten with knife and fork in 
comparison to Gershwin. Neither is wrong or right, but one is more tamed than 
the other. Rhythmic acrobatics in pensive music. A circus indeed. :-)
   Have you ever been to Korea? If my quick look at google didn't lead me 
astray completely, it should be somewhere in South Korea. Whereever Kojan is, 
we have returned to the good, old idiom of hiphop with the drumkit from the 
first track. If I were to analyse this piece, I'd say the instrument 
reminiscent of an electric piano in the middle has a slight touch of typica 
Asian harmony and the sawtoothy synth almost gives an impression of chiptunes 
synthesis. With the impressions we get, I might suggest, that this is to 
conjure up an idea of all those game consoles, that the youngsters over there 
love so much or at least use so much. One of my old classmates would at least 
agree with the interest in game consoles, if not wioth my implications on this 
piece. :-) In a way it's a good song to lead me out. It seems so much more 
worldly. The applause, the crowd, the rest of the world, that stands so far 
removed from the images of moonlit nights - parties or no parties - and the 
still, windy atmosphere of the album. You worked a great deal with white 
noise, which gives one the feeling of wind in the dunes. It's a sound I heard 
a lot in radioplays and this white noise patch - or patches - are close to 
that sound. Somewhere between wind and waves or the mixture of the two?
   All in all, it's a good album and I will be sure to listen to it again. 
Perhaps not in one go, as I did today, but now I've taken in teh atmosphere, I 
can quickly travel back there. It's a good piece of work Always slightly 
dreamy, dark, depressive and still with a consoling lightness behind the 
pregnant beats and occasional distorted synths. A good balance between the 
single mindedness of centre beats and basses and parnoramic harmonies and 
effects. I like it. And I hope, that you will get a whole load of feedback and 
a couple of new listeners.
   What will you give us next time? Perhaps once more something with the 
occasional lyrics? Some Swedish hiphop or some English song of longing? Or 
something different?
   Warm regards and thanks for sharing
          Julien

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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Jul  4 23:02:37 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:02:37 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
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On 07/04/2013 01:26 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> david wrote:
>> On 07/03/2013 10:27 PM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>>> Any rrror messages?  In the system log?
>>
>> According to syslog, it's finds and sets up both the USB device and
>> the Intel snd_intel8x0 just fine. No errors there. OK, so I guess
>> they're loading. But ALSA still insists there are no soundcards. Does
>> ALSA have a log somewhere?
>
> That is the ALSA log.
>
> Do you have the device nodes in /dev/snd/?  Are they accessible for
> your user?

The only two showing are seq and timer. Both are accessible to the audio 
group, which I'm part of.

>> If I watch the screen during bootup, it's udev timing out when trying
>> to do something with the USB controller the USB card is connected to.
>
> Is that the message?  "doing something ... timed out"?

Let me see if I can scroll lock the display long enough to note down 
exactly what it reports. OK, here goes!

udevd[418]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/[mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe 
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-2 1 3': no such file or 
directory

udevd[420]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/[mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe 
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb3/3-1 3 2': no such file or 
directory

udevd[446]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/[mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe 
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1/1/1.4/1-1.4.4 1 7': no 
such file or directory

udevd[391]: 'sbin/modprobe -b 
pci:v00008086d000024C5sv00001179sd00000241bc04sc01i00' [396]

udevd[391]: 'sbin/modprobe -b 
pci:v00008086d000024C5sv00001179sd00000241bc04sc01i00' [396] terminated 
by signal 9 [Killed]

udevd[378]: 'sbin/modprobe -b 
usb:v088Bp2902d0100dc00sc00do00ic01sc01ip00in00' [501]

udevd[378]: 'sbin/modprobe -b 
usb:v088Bp2902d0100dc00sc00do00ic01sc01ip00in00' [501] terminated by 
signal 9 [Killed]

Later there's an entry saying alsactl failed to restore, no sound cards 
found.

PCI devices 1d.1 and 1d.7 appear on lspci:
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 
EHCI Controller (rev 03)

USB controller 1 is this device on lspci:
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)

The built-in Intel audio is pci device 1f.d.

The USB audio is this device from lsusb:
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 08bb:2902 Texas Instruments PCM2902 Audio Codec

Don't know how to map from USB controller to bus.

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From dawsonwu at rahul.net  Fri Jul  5 00:12:58 2013
From: dawsonwu at rahul.net (Ken Dawson)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:12:58 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
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On 07/04/2013 04:02 PM, david wrote:

> Let me see if I can scroll lock the display long enough to note down
> exactly what it reports. OK, here goes!
> 

Tangentially, I've found that a camcorder (or similar) is quite handy in
this situation.

/ken

From xiphmont at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 02:14:48 2013
From: xiphmont at gmail.com (Monty Montgomery)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 22:14:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
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> A mix is purely an auditory medium, right? So, (and I'll play dumb
> here) why do we need to visualize a mix?

Eyes are better at some things than ears.

A regular example from some audiophile equipment forums...  I won't
name names, but on one particular forum 'Just listen!' is used as a
panacea to dismiss any kind of scientific or objective discussion of
equipment.

The obvious response is, "Are you suggesting [Company name] take the
oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, multimeters and computers away from
their design engineers?"

Visualization can be quite useful, even in audio.

Cheers,
Monty

From malnourite at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 04:36:01 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 21:36:01 -0700
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
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On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Monty Montgomery <xiphmont at gmail.com> wrote:

> > A mix is purely an auditory medium, right? So, (and I'll play dumb
> > here) why do we need to visualize a mix?
>
> Eyes are better at some things than ears.
>
> A regular example from some audiophile equipment forums...  I won't
> name names, but on one particular forum 'Just listen!' is used as a
> panacea to dismiss any kind of scientific or objective discussion of
> equipment.
>
> The obvious response is, "Are you suggesting [Company name] take the
> oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, multimeters and computers away from
> their design engineers?"
>
> Visualization can be quite useful, even in audio.
>
> Cheers,
> Monty
>

Let's not forget the distinction between visualization and measurement. The
number of people (and we're talking about musicians/producers here) looking
at visualizations of audio and the number actually using the visualization
to measure something meaningful are, I imagine, very different. Measurement
is obviously invaluable when designing DSP algorithms etc. It is not
necessary *at all* in order to make music. Peak/clipping indicators are
pretty handy, but after that the returns diminish rapidly.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul  5 06:20:54 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 08:20:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
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Visualisation is helpful for troubleshooting, if e.g. something does
sound distorted, then taking a look at a meterbridge could be
timesaving.
Phase correlation does ensure that the phases are ok for airplay.
However, visualisation isn't needed, but could be helpful.

For analog recordings measurements at least are needed for bias
calibration.

Regards,
Ralf


From clemens at ladisch.de  Fri Jul  5 06:32:40 2013
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 08:32:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
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david wrote:
> On 07/04/2013 01:26 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>> david wrote:
>>> According to syslog, it's finds and sets up both the USB device and
>>> the Intel snd_intel8x0 just fine. No errors there.
>>
>> Do you have the device nodes in /dev/snd/?
>
> The only two showing are seq and timer.

Please show all the syslog messages.


Regards,
Clemens

From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Fri Jul  5 07:33:31 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 03:33:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
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I tend to view "visualization" mostly as "on-screen memory" - it is a way
to avoid the user having to *actually* remember the state of (potentially)
thousands of different controls, by presenting them to him/her in a
relatively fast-lookup sort of way. did i solo that? what was the gain
level of that ? what processing am i doing with that signal? etc. etc.
there is nothing inherent to the task of recording and editing music that
requires a visual presentation, but doing without one when working with
anything but the simplest possible setup requires the user to constantly
remember a large amount of stuff - not always easy to do.

mixing consoles, besides actually doing signal processing, also serve this
purpose even though they do not (generally) provide any visualization of
waveform data or present a timeline.
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From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 07:44:03 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 00:44:03 -0700
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
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Yes Ralf and J. your distinction between measuring and just
visualizing makes lots of sense to me. And Julien, I think you are
basically saying the same thing. A graphical tool may make it quicker
and easier to isolate problems and take measurements to improve audio
quality.

Monty, I'm going to play a little devil's advocate here.
I wouldn't say that anyone needs to throw away their measurement tools
when engineering equipment for best performance, but I have heard of
blind listening comparisons where audiofiles couldn't reliably tell
the difference between two given studio amplifiers, or between given
sets of speaker cables.
I recognize that "just listen" may be a trite way of dismissing valid
points, but isn't listening the primary goal here?
But I do agree with you that if using a visual representation helps
more quickly and accurately improve the auditory experience, then
that's a good thing.

Interesting stuff
Rusty



On 7/4/13, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> Visualisation is helpful for troubleshooting, if e.g. something does
> sound distorted, then taking a look at a meterbridge could be
> timesaving.
> Phase correlation does ensure that the phases are ok for airplay.
> However, visualisation isn't needed, but could be helpful.
>
> For analog recordings measurements at least are needed for bias
> calibration.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 09:00:41 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:00:41 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
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On 07/04/2013 02:12 PM, Ken Dawson wrote:
> On 07/04/2013 04:02 PM, david wrote:
>
>> Let me see if I can scroll lock the display long enough to note down
>> exactly what it reports. OK, here goes!
>
> Tangentially, I've found that a camcorder (or similar) is quite handy in
> this situation.

Fortunately for me, scroll lock stopped things so I could write it down. 
I don't have anything that can shoot video.

-- 
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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 09:38:06 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:38:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
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Julien: :D

Very well worth all the trouble. I'm speechless, thank you for the great
feedback! I will try and respond to it:

* I actually have sidechain compression on more or less all tracks of the
album, in various forms. I wouldn't call it overcompression per say, as
it's just acting as a tremolo, but I do compress a fair bit too. For the
pumping effect, I generally compress a little of almost everything (even
cymbals and crashes), which I think helps a little with the rhythm in the
song.
As for generally compressing as in "master compressing" (or what to call
it), the electronical songs especially I compress a lot, as that's how I
like them personally (thick and in your face kind of). I do however realize
that that's not what everyone likes. I have however "grown out of" a lot of
overcompression, at least if I can say so myself, as I no longer push my
mixes further just for the loudness. Who knows, maybe I'll dare mixing even
more dynamical next time around! ;)

* Ha! I was hoping you'd recognize brushing your teeth in the middle of my
album! ;) Thank you for the great samples, I put a link to them together
with a thank you on my website
(http://www.zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montageif you haven't seen)

* Full Moon: I tend to agree with you. It ended up being less
interesting/more "chilled out"-than I intended. Next time it'll be more
interesting, I promise! ;) And hahaha, sk?l! L?tt?l ?r g?tt!

* Right on the money there with the german in the lecture hall. I liked the
ambient sample so much due to the clarity and stereo qualities of it, that
I just had to incorporate it to the name somehow.

* Interesting that Kojan actually exists! To make a long story short, koja
means something like "tree house" or "pillow fort" (not entirely accurate,
but still) in Swedish, and it's something I've come to call my "studio"
(read: corner of my apartment where I record music) just because I've put
up so many blankets for the acoustics (dunno if it helps, but it's fun)
that it looks like a koja. So that's why that got named like it did!

* With whitenoise, I'm just a sucker for it. That's one of the elements I
love the most about modern electronic music. I also love ambient sounds
(wind and waves in particular), and as it somehow sounds reminiscent of
wind and waves at the same time, it's something I really like and almost
always end up using.

Again, thank you very much for this Julien! It's always awesome to read
your feedback and thoughts, and I learn a lot from your observations that I
hopefully can improve on 'til next time. Speaking of next time, my current
plan is to make sure that the next kind of thing like this I do is 100%
with vocals on every track, in one form or another. Feels like it's time! ;)

Thanks again!


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello Gabbe!
>   Before I begin to say any word about the music you made, I will say:
> thank you for all the troubles you got up to to give me a chance to listen
> to it. This is very kind of you and - be assured - very much appreciated!
>   As a whole, I very much agree with Dave's vote of the clear sound and
> good mix. The mixes have power, sound well balanced to me. What's even
> better, is that they fall on willing ears. In recent weeks I've turned more
> and more towards electronic music.
>   the intro is a good introduction to the sonic world of your album.
> Slowly taking me in, preparing for the Skandinavian sound and feel. The
> width and openness. Only to surprise me later on. there is that
> Skandinavian feel poking through, but not as obvious as before. I like the
> bassdrum of the intro. It appears later on again. It has bite and pumps a
> little, not in a compression artefact way. It's somewhere between an edited
> acoustic bassdrum and something purely electronic. It might even fill the
> four-to-the-floor niche.
>   It is alive is the nice four-to-the-floor piece. And it already shows
> something, which characterises the whole album. The tracks flow seemlessly
> from one into the other. Not only by ambient sounds, but by concept. If it
> had been me, I'd have mixed the snare louder. But that way it keeps the
> attention, while still deliviering. I can't completely let go with that,
> because, there is that small bit, which seems so uncharacteristic. I also
> love the somehow oneiric harmonies. Tending towards minor, yet rarely pure
> minor chords. While having a touch of 90s nostalgia about it, the mix
> sounds very much like the current decade. Do you use "overcompression" to
> get this slightly pumping effect? I noticed that throughout the album and
> had been wondering. If so: how do you compress? The whole song or only
> certain groups of instruments? - Again the bassdrum is nice, crisp and very
> well defined. Ha! The blend to Still is lovely. I recognise the sound and I
> must admit, that I never dreamt it could be used in such a place. Well sed.
>   Still: I think here the bassdrum is a little too loud in the mix, but
> not so loud as to bannish the thought of enjoyment. :-) And so we have
> turned to a more hiphop styled track. And it still keeps in the spirit of
> the earlier tracks. As I said: it's a sonic world, this album. Listening to
> it again, I feel, that so far, it appears more like a change in arrangement
> and style than in harmony. It's bordering on my threshhold of boredom. If
> it wasn't for the very nice mixes and well executed styles and the morphing
> of one into the other... but there is that and it holds me. You know, that
> my threshhold of boredom is quite low. Since I'm still more of a prog and
> baroque listener than electronica.
>   Come and play; why not. I'm game. :-) This sets a much lighter tone. I
> love the slight touch of breakbeat in this piece. Also the main instrument
> is interesting. the way the piece changes from almost elevator music into
> almost dubstep is great. The way the movement picks up and the arrangement
> fills up from almost meditative spheric guitar to the full beat. Teh
> effects you used, the well-placed delay and how you managed to use that to
> instantly isolate the main "lead" and the rhythm in places. Well done. good
> trick!
>   Full Moon baffled me at first. Perhaps because I approached it with
> preformed notions, of what it should have been. That way it's the piece,
> that I still perceive as the weakest piece on this album. It sounds to
> common place for me. To worldly. The introduction and the "bridge" are the
> best bits. They talk to me of a full moon and the quiet night. The rest is
> more of the beach party next door with its drinking, barbecuing crowd. At
> least it's a Swedish party and not one of those Mallorca crimes, that they
> probably call "a beach happening" or "afterwork holiday". :-) Get out the
> "let oel" and let's say "skol" (sorry can't spell it and didn't find it
> quickly :-) ).
>   I wonder, what you thought, when you called the next composition
> "Touchdown Germany"? Was it the ambient sound from the lecture hall at my
> uni? Or is it the plump beat? That beat, which makes me think of Flaubert,
> who said something about music of the heavens, that we hear, but only
> produce something, which sounds like it's being played on rusting tin
> drums, written for crippled bears. :-) It has a very raw edge this piece,
> while keeping with the flow of the dreamy melodies.
>   the Circus reminds me even more of dubstep. Not really, but the
> stuttering rhythm and this change from third notes in a quarter beat. Only
> your version of it is like Debusy's sweet juicy apple eaten with knife and
> fork in comparison to Gershwin. Neither is wrong or right, but one is more
> tamed than the other. Rhythmic acrobatics in pensive music. A circus
> indeed. :-)
>   Have you ever been to Korea? If my quick look at google didn't lead me
> astray completely, it should be somewhere in South Korea. Whereever Kojan
> is, we have returned to the good, old idiom of hiphop with the drumkit from
> the first track. If I were to analyse this piece, I'd say the instrument
> reminiscent of an electric piano in the middle has a slight touch of typica
> Asian harmony and the sawtoothy synth almost gives an impression of
> chiptunes synthesis. With the impressions we get, I might suggest, that
> this is to conjure up an idea of all those game consoles, that the
> youngsters over there love so much or at least use so much. One of my old
> classmates would at least agree with the interest in game consoles, if not
> wioth my implications on this piece. :-) In a way it's a good song to lead
> me out. It seems so much more worldly. The applause, the crowd, the rest of
> the world, that stands so far removed from the images of moonlit nights -
> parties or no parties - and the still, windy atmosphere of the album. You
> worked a great deal with white noise, which gives one the feeling of wind
> in the dunes. It's a sound I heard a lot in radioplays and this white noise
> patch - or patches - are close to that sound. Somewhere between wind and
> waves or the mixture of the two?
>   All in all, it's a good album and I will be sure to listen to it again.
> Perhaps not in one go, as I did today, but now I've taken in teh
> atmosphere, I can quickly travel back there. It's a good piece of work
> Always slightly dreamy, dark, depressive and still with a consoling
> lightness behind the pregnant beats and occasional distorted synths. A good
> balance between the single mindedness of centre beats and basses and
> parnoramic harmonies and effects. I like it. And I hope, that you will get
> a whole load of feedback and a couple of new listeners.
>   What will you give us next time? Perhaps once more something with the
> occasional lyrics? Some Swedish hiphop or some English song of longing? Or
> something different?
>   Warm regards and thanks for sharing
>          Julien
>
> ------------------------------**----------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 09:42:13 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:42:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] eyes verses ears
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Hello Rusty!

As you referred to me in the original post, I just figured I'd briefly
explain what I mainly use the analyzer for. It's as simple as me not having
a subwoofer or a reliable set of headphones for the bass. Neither my
monitors nor my studio heaphones have any noteworthy bass-response under
70hz or so, which is where most of my bass is usually. I have a set of
headphones that are of the "gamer-kind", which I've learned to use for
bass. So, what I do when mixing usually, is that I use the analyzer to
check the bass. I've learned through my time mixing my things just about
how I want it to sound, or at least the general idea. It's in no way any
substitute for the final mix and master (where I find enough systems to
listen to, and reliably mix the bass), but it's an easy way for me to keep
it in control while I'm doing the heavy work.

That's my use-case at least. :)


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes Ralf and J. your distinction between measuring and just
> visualizing makes lots of sense to me. And Julien, I think you are
> basically saying the same thing. A graphical tool may make it quicker
> and easier to isolate problems and take measurements to improve audio
> quality.
>
> Monty, I'm going to play a little devil's advocate here.
> I wouldn't say that anyone needs to throw away their measurement tools
> when engineering equipment for best performance, but I have heard of
> blind listening comparisons where audiofiles couldn't reliably tell
> the difference between two given studio amplifiers, or between given
> sets of speaker cables.
> I recognize that "just listen" may be a trite way of dismissing valid
> points, but isn't listening the primary goal here?
> But I do agree with you that if using a visual representation helps
> more quickly and accurately improve the auditory experience, then
> that's a good thing.
>
> Interesting stuff
> Rusty
>
>
>
> On 7/4/13, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> > Visualisation is helpful for troubleshooting, if e.g. something does
> > sound distorted, then taking a look at a meterbridge could be
> > timesaving.
> > Phase correlation does ensure that the phases are ok for airplay.
> > However, visualisation isn't needed, but could be helpful.
> >
> > For analog recordings measurements at least are needed for bias
> > calibration.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Jul  5 09:57:17 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:57:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1PCajqp+FLCPFw0EZTOWx7G7fbWsx6okFR5u_HgwahuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307042326420.18440@flower.world.net>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307051156090.15835@flower.world.net>

Hello Gabbe!
   You're welcome and I'm very sure you put much more work into this than I 
did. :-)
   thank you for the explanations. It's a pitty, that sidechain compression 
doesn't really work with Ecasound. It appears to be a valuable tool, when 
you're doing electronic music.
   Kepp 'em coming!
          Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 10:05:42 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 00:05:42 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Updated system,
 now refuses to load snd-usb-audio and module for onboard sound
In-Reply-To: <51D66888.4090206@ladisch.de>
References: <51D51514.1030007@hawaii.rr.com> <51D531E1.7000501@ladisch.de>
 <51D544CF.80509@hawaii.rr.com> <51D55BCE.9040904@ladisch.de>
 <51D5FF0D.9030507@hawaii.rr.com> <51D66888.4090206@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <51D69A76.8030106@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/04/2013 08:32 PM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> david wrote:
>> On 07/04/2013 01:26 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>>> david wrote:
>>>> According to syslog, it's finds and sets up both the USB device and
>>>> the Intel snd_intel8x0 just fine. No errors there.
>>>
>>> Do you have the device nodes in /dev/snd/?
>>
>> The only two showing are seq and timer.
>
> Please show all the syslog messages.

See other message with that.

For reference, I just shutdown and powered back on, and now aplay -l 
lists the onboard sound but not the USB card. The log shows USB card 
being found and setup.

At the same time, my external USB drive is showing a solid red 
(reading/writing) light but the system log reports it not responding.

-- 
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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 10:20:17 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:20:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307051156090.15835@flower.world.net>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAL=sEa2QZXAUm1hCmDNCWPkST3SVgjZWSF5JpsmeDcPy064gUw@mail.gmail.com>

Thinking about it, I think you can achieve more or less the same result by
using a bus with a tremolo plugin on. Maybe worth checking out if
sidechaining per say does not work!

Cheers,
Gabriel/zth


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello Gabbe!
>   You're welcome and I'm very sure you put much more work into this than I
> did. :-)
>   thank you for the explanations. It's a pitty, that sidechain compression
> doesn't really work with Ecasound. It appears to be a valuable tool, when
> you're doing electronic music.
>   Kepp 'em coming!
>          Julien
>
> ------------------------------**----------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>
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From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 10:33:27 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:33:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] carla & OSC
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpWqNc8N-LetK-2hFNfotWCtObAKv7Ju_POw6q-2dGr9zw@mail.gmail.com>

Hallo,

Carla is a beautifil piece of software - thank you for that.
I am not able to control params with OSC, only with MIDI msg

I use pd and my patch looks like:

[connect 127.0.0.1 15609(
|
|    [/Carla/1/set_volume 0(
|   /
|  [packOSC]
|/
[tcpsend]

I suppose, it should set volume of first plugin to zero, but it does not.
what I am doing wrong ?

thank you.

fero
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From arve.barsnes at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 12:29:09 2013
From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:29:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJjrzcW+y2JZz63QTBAxxm7n4qUaZ+Hk_5PsiyhBbsZ=bP53Gw@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 July 2013 17:05, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and online!
> :D
> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and is a
> bit more electronic than last one.
>
> Sounds absolutely wonderful, a great followup to your previous album!

Arve
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From diego.simak at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 13:45:02 2013
From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:45:02 -0300
Subject: [LAU] carla & OSC
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpWqNc8N-LetK-2hFNfotWCtObAKv7Ju_POw6q-2dGr9zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpWqNc8N-LetK-2hFNfotWCtObAKv7Ju_POw6q-2dGr9zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKC-MPqw28+a9UTRmTpCd59ewVYin=jNjjKr7e=PbmODFhu-5g@mail.gmail.com>

2013/7/5 Fero Kiraly <fero.kiraly at gmail.com>:
> Hallo,
>
> Carla is a beautifil piece of software - thank you for that.
> I am not able to control params with OSC, only with MIDI msg
>
> I use pd and my patch looks like:
>
> [connect 127.0.0.1 15609(
> |
> |    [/Carla/1/set_volume 0(
> |   /
> |  [packOSC]
> |/
> [tcpsend]
>
> I suppose, it should set volume of first plugin to zero, but it does not.
> what I am doing wrong ?
>
> thank you.
>
> fero
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

I'm not a PD expert but seems that you need to add 'send' in the OSC
message, like this:

[send /Carla/1/set_volume 0(

is 15609 a TCP or UDP port?

I can see that Carla now does support TCP but please double check
which type of connection are you using.
If it is a UDP connection type change tcpsend with udpsend.

just for the reference:

http://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/ch065_osc/

From falktx at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 15:32:44 2013
From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 16:32:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] carla & OSC
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpWqNc8N-LetK-2hFNfotWCtObAKv7Ju_POw6q-2dGr9zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpWqNc8N-LetK-2hFNfotWCtObAKv7Ju_POw6q-2dGr9zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D6E71C.6050605@gmail.com>

On 07/05/2013 11:33 AM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> Carla is a beautifil piece of software - thank you for that.
> I am not able to control params with OSC, only with MIDI msg
>
> I use pd and my patch looks like:
>
> [connect 127.0.0.1 15609(
> |
> |    [/Carla/1/set_volume 0(
> |   /
> |  [packOSC]
> |/
> [tcpsend]
>
> I suppose, it should set volume of first plugin to zero, but it does not.
> what I am doing wrong ?
>
> thank you.
>

The first plugin starts at 0, not 1.
You should make sure the parameter types match. In this case, 
set_volume, must be float.

You can check the logs tab to see if a message has been ignored.

And be sure to use the TCP or UDP address correctly.
I know that the "oscsend" tool only works with UDP.

For reference, this command works fine here:
$ oscsend localhost 19708 /Carla/0/set_volume f 0.8


From guido-scholz at gmx.net  Fri Jul  5 15:41:13 2013
From: guido-scholz at gmx.net (Guido Scholz)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:41:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Updates
In-Reply-To: <20130702214925.GB6346@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130702214925.GB6346@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130705154113.GA4920@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de>

Am Tue, 02. Jul 2013 um 21:49:25 +0000 schrieb Fons Adriaensen:

> Hello all,

Hello fons,
 
> Note to AMS devs: zita-alsa-pcmi is a near drop-in replacement
> for clalsadrv-2.0.0:
 
> * Change the library name in the build files
> * s/#include<clalsadrv>/#include<zita-alsa-pcmi>/
> * s/Alsa_driver/Alsa_pcmi/
> * s/->stat()/->state()/

I would not recommend this to ams users. Use the cvs version instead.

Guido

-- 
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Fri Jul  5 15:50:12 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:50:12 +0000
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Updates
In-Reply-To: <20130705154113.GA4920@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de>
References: <20130702214925.GB6346@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130705154113.GA4920@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de>
Message-ID: <20130705155012.GA24644@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 05:41:13PM +0200, Guido Scholz wrote:
  
> > Note to AMS devs: zita-alsa-pcmi is a near drop-in replacement
> > for clalsadrv-2.0.0:
>  
> > * Change the library name in the build files
> > * s/#include<clalsadrv>/#include<zita-alsa-pcmi>/
> > * s/Alsa_driver/Alsa_pcmi/
> > * s/->stat()/->state()/
> 
> I would not recommend this to ams users. Use the cvs version instead.

It was meant for the devs !

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From leoave at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 16:29:58 2013
From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:29:58 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
Message-ID: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>

Link:
http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys

Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.

This video will give you new hope on the next generation.

I know David Phillips will enjoy this....

Leo
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From guido-scholz at gmx.net  Fri Jul  5 16:35:19 2013
From: guido-scholz at gmx.net (Guido Scholz)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:35:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Updates
In-Reply-To: <20130705155012.GA24644@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130702214925.GB6346@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130705154113.GA4920@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de>
 <20130705155012.GA24644@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130705163519.GA13011@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de>

Am Fri, 05. Jul 2013 um 15:50:12 +0000 schrieb Fons Adriaensen:


Hi Fons,

> > I would not recommend this to ams users. Use the cvs version instead.

> It was meant for the devs !

OK, sorry.

I would also not recommend this to developers. Please use the ams cvs
version instead.

Guido

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From bob at mellowood.ca  Fri Jul  5 17:23:51 2013
From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:23:51 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sort of off topic ... but is anyone getting TED videos to play on
Linux with Firefox?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Leonardo Palomares <leoave at gmail.com> wrote:
> Link:
> http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys
>
> Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.
>
> This video will give you new hope on the next generation.
>
> I know David Phillips will enjoy this....
>
> Leo
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



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EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca
WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca

From david.santamauro at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 17:33:09 2013
From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 13:33:09 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com>


Great talent, and yes, watching now on Firefox ...

On 07/05/2013 01:23 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote:
> Sort of off topic ... but is anyone getting TED videos to play on
> Linux with Firefox?
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Leonardo Palomares <leoave at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Link:
>> http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys
>>
>> Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.
>>
>> This video will give you new hope on the next generation.
>>
>> I know David Phillips will enjoy this....
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>
>
>


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 18:38:29 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 08:38:29 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>

Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays message:
" It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for 
one of the following reasons:

     you have JavaScript disabled
     your device does not support HTML5 video
     you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the 
latest Flash player to view this video."

IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one great 
disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.

Well, downloaded the MP4 and tried to play it, and it won't play. 
Rather, it plays, but there's no sound and no video. Deleted it and 
tried again, and now mplayer plays it.

They're pretty damn good.

On 07/05/2013 07:33 AM, David Santamauro wrote:

> Great talent, and yes, watching now on Firefox ...
>
> On 07/05/2013 01:23 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote:
>> Sort of off topic ... but is anyone getting TED videos to play on
>> Linux with Firefox?
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Leonardo Palomares <leoave at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Link:
>>> http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys
>>>
>>> Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.
>>>
>>> This video will give you new hope on the next generation.
>>>
>>> I know David Phillips will enjoy this....
>>>
>>> Leo


-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From althompson58 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 19:05:46 2013
From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 15:05:46 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <51D7190A.4090800@gmail.com>

On 07/05/2013 02:38 PM, david wrote:
> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays message:
> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for
> one of the following reasons:
>
>     you have JavaScript disabled
>     your device does not support HTML5 video
>     you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the
> latest Flash player to view this video."
>
> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one
> great disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>
> Well, downloaded the MP4 and tried to play it, and it won't play.
> Rather, it plays, but there's no sound and no video. Deleted it and
> tried again, and now mplayer plays it.
>

Plays fine here on Fedora 14 (64 bit) and Firefox 22.0.


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From bob at mellowood.ca  Fri Jul  5 19:12:06 2013
From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:12:06 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+HdcZhXrm-yS_TH+XbyLf4ON=Q7vJiSn49XpMgpDsdrv6Q9jg@mail.gmail.com>

After thinking about this and seeing a few messages about it working
on FF ... I did a few tests.

1. On my wife's computer running xfce it works just fine. So, it's not FF

2. Logged in as "Guest" on my box. This is Ubuntu 12.04. As guest it
works just fine. So, it's not FF and it's not the flash plug in either
since I'd be using the same version.

3. Back to my home and I tried some things with FF. Ran in "safe mode"
and then tried using a new profile. Neither works.

So, darned if I have any more ideas ... and here I thought it was
something silly TED was doing :)

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays message:
> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for one
> of the following reasons:
>
>     you have JavaScript disabled
>     your device does not support HTML5 video
>     you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the latest
> Flash player to view this video."
>
> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one great
> disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>
> Well, downloaded the MP4 and tried to play it, and it won't play. Rather, it
> plays, but there's no sound and no video. Deleted it and tried again, and
> now mplayer plays it.
>
> They're pretty damn good.
>
> On 07/05/2013 07:33 AM, David Santamauro wrote:
>
>> Great talent, and yes, watching now on Firefox ...
>>
>> On 07/05/2013 01:23 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote:
>>>
>>> Sort of off topic ... but is anyone getting TED videos to play on
>>> Linux with Firefox?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Leonardo Palomares <leoave at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Link:
>>>> http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys
>>>>
>>>> Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.
>>>>
>>>> This video will give you new hope on the next generation.
>>>>
>>>> I know David Phillips will enjoy this....
>>>>
>>>> Leo
>
>
>
> --
> David
> gnome at hawaii.rr.com
> authenticity, honesty, community
> http://dancingtreefrog.com
> http://clanjones.org/david/
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 19:35:33 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 09:35:33 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <CA+HdcZhXrm-yS_TH+XbyLf4ON=Q7vJiSn49XpMgpDsdrv6Q9jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <CA+HdcZhXrm-yS_TH+XbyLf4ON=Q7vJiSn49XpMgpDsdrv6Q9jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D72005.7030207@hawaii.rr.com>

Running XFCE here, it doesn't work.

My wife's puter has much older version of FF (thanks, Linux Mint!) with 
no HTML5 support as near as I can tell. When she watches vids, they're 
all in Flash format.

I don't think it's FF per se, it's the video driver being used by the 
particular machine. Some support HTML5, some don't. Even true (I 
understand) on Windows, but to a much lesser extent.

On 07/05/2013 09:12 AM, Bob van der Poel wrote:
> After thinking about this and seeing a few messages about it working
> on FF ... I did a few tests.
>
> 1. On my wife's computer running xfce it works just fine. So, it's not FF
>
> 2. Logged in as "Guest" on my box. This is Ubuntu 12.04. As guest it
> works just fine. So, it's not FF and it's not the flash plug in either
> since I'd be using the same version.
>
> 3. Back to my home and I tried some things with FF. Ran in "safe mode"
> and then tried using a new profile. Neither works.
>
> So, darned if I have any more ideas ... and here I thought it was
> something silly TED was doing :)
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays message:
>> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for one
>> of the following reasons:
>>
>>      you have JavaScript disabled
>>      your device does not support HTML5 video
>>      you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the latest
>> Flash player to view this video."
>>
>> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one great
>> disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>>
>> Well, downloaded the MP4 and tried to play it, and it won't play. Rather, it
>> plays, but there's no sound and no video. Deleted it and tried again, and
>> now mplayer plays it.
>>
>> They're pretty damn good.
>>
>> On 07/05/2013 07:33 AM, David Santamauro wrote:
>>
>>> Great talent, and yes, watching now on Firefox ...
>>>
>>> On 07/05/2013 01:23 PM, Bob van der Poel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sort of off topic ... but is anyone getting TED videos to play on
>>>> Linux with Firefox?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Leonardo Palomares <leoave at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Link:
>>>>> http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>> This video will give you new hope on the next generation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know David Phillips will enjoy this....
>>>>>
>>>>> Leo


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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 19:38:09 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 09:38:09 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D7190A.4090800@gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <51D7190A.4090800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D720A1.3090602@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/05/2013 09:05 AM, Al Thompson wrote:
> On 07/05/2013 02:38 PM, david wrote:
>> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays message:
>> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for
>> one of the following reasons:
>>
>>      you have JavaScript disabled
>>      your device does not support HTML5 video
>>      you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the
>> latest Flash player to view this video."
>>
>> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one
>> great disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>>
>> Well, downloaded the MP4 and tried to play it, and it won't play.
>> Rather, it plays, but there's no sound and no video. Deleted it and
>> tried again, and now mplayer plays it.
>
> Plays fine here on Fedora 14 (64 bit) and Firefox 22.0.

What video driver are you using? My laptop has Intel 855GM video.

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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 20:09:32 2013
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 16:09:32 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D727FC.1090901@woh.rr.com>

On 07/05/2013 12:29 PM, Leonardo Palomares wrote:
> Link:
> http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys
>
> Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.
>
> This video will give you new hope on the next generation.
>
> I know David Phillips will enjoy this....
>
> Leo
>

Thanks for the link, Leo, it is enjoyable. Those are very talented kids.

For another look at talented kids performing there's this famous vid :

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc

Weirdness plus.

Best,

dp



>
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 20:27:28 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 10:27:28 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D727FC.1090901@woh.rr.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D727FC.1090901@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <51D72C30.6000301@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/05/2013 10:09 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
> On 07/05/2013 12:29 PM, Leonardo Palomares wrote:
>> Link:
>> http://on.ted.com/BanjoBoys
>>
>> Not all kids are full time into computer games and facebook.
>>
>> This video will give you new hope on the next generation.
>>
>> I know David Phillips will enjoy this....
>>
>> Leo
>>
>
> Thanks for the link, Leo, it is enjoyable. Those are very talented kids.
>
> For another look at talented kids performing there's this famous vid :
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc
>
> Weirdness plus.
>
> Best,
>
> dp

Hmm, so North Korea is now cloning children? Or it pushes kids into 
showbiz early like some idiot parents in America do?

Definitely creepy.

-- 
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http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From bob at mellowood.ca  Fri Jul  5 20:30:20 2013
From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:30:20 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D72005.7030207@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <CA+HdcZhXrm-yS_TH+XbyLf4ON=Q7vJiSn49XpMgpDsdrv6Q9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D72005.7030207@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+HdcZhJ9pH+N5c6=a1r+oDm84CxJh_Yiv_Yic7PFOhHoxwA_Q@mail.gmail.com>

> I don't think it's FF per se, it's the video driver being used by the
> particular machine. Some support HTML5, some don't. Even true (I understand)
> on Windows, but to a much lesser extent.

Don't think it is the video driver. On my computer I'm running the
nvidia binary. Logging in as Guest I can watch; using my account I
can't. Same computer. Same video. Odd thing about this is that there
is no directory for the Guest account ... not sure if that would make
a difference. Oh, just created a new account on my computer. It has a
small firefox directory, etc. And TED works. But, try as I might it
will not work from my home directory.

I do have a .adobe directory in my home. Just deleted that and
restarted FF. Nope, no ted video. Mind you, just about any other video
stuff I watch works fine.

All very strange!

So, it's not xfce. It's not the video driver. Not Firefox. And, not a
profile issue (I created a new profile in my ff and got the same
error).
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 21:32:09 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 11:32:09 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <CA+HdcZhJ9pH+N5c6=a1r+oDm84CxJh_Yiv_Yic7PFOhHoxwA_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <CA+HdcZhXrm-yS_TH+XbyLf4ON=Q7vJiSn49XpMgpDsdrv6Q9jg@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D72005.7030207@hawaii.rr.com>
 <CA+HdcZhJ9pH+N5c6=a1r+oDm84CxJh_Yiv_Yic7PFOhHoxwA_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D73B59.5060003@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/05/2013 10:30 AM, Bob van der Poel wrote:
>> I don't think it's FF per se, it's the video driver being used by the
>> particular machine. Some support HTML5, some don't. Even true (I understand)
>> on Windows, but to a much lesser extent.
>
> Don't think it is the video driver. On my computer I'm running the
> nvidia binary. Logging in as Guest I can watch; using my account I
> can't. Same computer. Same video. Odd thing about this is that there
> is no directory for the Guest account ... not sure if that would make
> a difference. Oh, just created a new account on my computer. It has a
> small firefox directory, etc. And TED works. But, try as I might it
> will not work from my home directory.
>
> I do have a .adobe directory in my home. Just deleted that and
> restarted FF. Nope, no ted video. Mind you, just about any other video
> stuff I watch works fine.
>
> All very strange!
>
> So, it's not xfce. It's not the video driver. Not Firefox. And, not a
> profile issue (I created a new profile in my ff and got the same
> error).

Well, YouTube works here, but not TED. I have an .adobe folder, and it 
contains subfolders for Acrobat and Flash. I suspect that if you had it 
there with a Flash folder, your machine has Flash installed on it, and 
maybe FF is using Flash instead of HTML5?

Strangely enough, audio is now working for me in Firefox, after years of 
it not working. Possibly has something to do with the fact that the 
system is currently refusing to load the Intel audio driver. So when the 
USB sound card driver is loaded (manually), FF has no choice but to play 
through the USB card. :-)

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From lsd at wootangent.net  Fri Jul  5 23:17:42 2013
From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:17:42 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <51D75416.2020109@wootangent.net>

On 6/07/13 4:38 AM, david wrote:
> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays message:
> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for
> one of the following reasons:
>
>      you have JavaScript disabled
>      your device does not support HTML5 video
>      you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the
> latest Flash player to view this video."
>
> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one great
> disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>
It shouldn't be dependent on drivers, but not all browsers that support 
HTML5 video (or audio, for that matter) will play all HTML5 videos. 
Different browsers support different codecs, and while Chrome, Safari, 
and IE support proprietary codecs like H.264 and AAC, Firefox supports 
only free codecs, like Theora, VP8 (aka WebM) and Vorbis.

So, while Firefox mostly works with HTML5 video on Youtube (since Google 
supports WebM there for many videos), most other sites only offer H.264 
video via HTML5, which won't work with Firefox. Most of those sites will 
fall back to using Flash to play such videos on Firefox if it's 
available, though.

Thanks
Leigh




From althompson58 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 23:37:50 2013
From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 19:37:50 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D720A1.3090602@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <51D7190A.4090800@gmail.com> <51D720A1.3090602@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <51D758CE.1060008@gmail.com>

On 07/05/2013 03:38 PM, david wrote:
> On 07/05/2013 09:05 AM, Al Thompson wrote:
>> On 07/05/2013 02:38 PM, david wrote:
>>> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays
>>> message:
>>> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for
>>> one of the following reasons:
>>>
>>>      you have JavaScript disabled
>>>      your device does not support HTML5 video
>>>      you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the
>>> latest Flash player to view this video."
>>>
>>> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one
>>> great disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>>>
>>> Well, downloaded the MP4 and tried to play it, and it won't play.
>>> Rather, it plays, but there's no sound and no video. Deleted it and
>>> tried again, and now mplayer plays it.
>>
>> Plays fine here on Fedora 14 (64 bit) and Firefox 22.0.
>
> What video driver are you using? My laptop has Intel 855GM video.
>

i915, but I don't remember why.  It's on an HP laptop, and it works
fine, so that's all that really matters to me.



-- 
---
My bands, CD projects, music, news, and pictures:

  http://www.lateralforce.com
 
 
My blog, with commentary on a variety of things, including audio,
mixing, equipment, etc, is at:
   http://audioandmore.wordpress.com
 
 
Staat hei?t das k?lteste aller kalten Ungeheuer.  Kalt l?gt es auch;
und diese L?ge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.'
                                                - [Friedrich Nietzsche]


From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Sat Jul  6 05:46:06 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:46:06 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] Yocto : embedded Linux platform
Message-ID: <49876.188.26.254.75.1373089566.squirrel@boosthardware.com>

Hi,

For those of you who are interested in embedded Linux and Linux
Audio/Multimedia you may also be interested in the ongoing development
around the Yocto project which seeks to provide a compiler framework and
platform for creating bespoke embedded distributions.  Heavily sponsored
by Intel and a number of other large multinational companies. Also has
nothing to do with Android. Just pure Linux without all the other crap.

https://www.yoctoproject.org/


Cheers


--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Sat Jul  6 05:57:20 2013
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:57:20 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [LAU] leap motion sdk open
Message-ID: <50036.188.26.254.75.1373090240.squirrel@boosthardware.com>

Hi,

FYI, the Leap Motion SDK and Developer portal has been opened up today for
anyone to join.

https://developer.leapmotion.com





--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

From dawsonwu at rahul.net  Sat Jul  6 06:07:21 2013
From: dawsonwu at rahul.net (Ken Dawson)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 23:07:21 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Yocto : embedded Linux platform
In-Reply-To: <49876.188.26.254.75.1373089566.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
References: <49876.188.26.254.75.1373089566.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
Message-ID: <51D7B419.4000805@rahul.net>

On 07/05/2013 10:46 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For those of you who are interested in embedded Linux and Linux
> Audio/Multimedia you may also be interested in the ongoing development
> around the Yocto project which seeks to provide a compiler framework and
> platform for creating bespoke embedded distributions.  Heavily sponsored
> by Intel and a number of other large multinational companies. Also has
> nothing to do with Android. Just pure Linux without all the other crap.
> 
> https://www.yoctoproject.org/
> 

... with another high-quality community supporting it.

/ken

From julien at mail.upb.de  Sat Jul  6 10:51:42 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 12:51:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Problems with zita-a2j/j2a
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307061248150.15835@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   I recently started getting trouble from zita-a2j/j2a. It worked like a treat 
before. I'm trying to integrate my E-MU 1212m into my JACK setup, which mainly 
uses my Delta 1010 LT. Now I only get:
Starting synchronisation.
Alsa_pcmi: poll timed out.
   Repeating over and over again. I tried changing the period size of zita-a2j 
as well as the period size of JACK. No luck. the MIDI of the E-MU is working, 
I've tried it. I can't really check the audio by itself without a great 
hassle, but I assume, that this too should be OK.
   Any idea, why this might have happened? I didn't start anything 
CPU-intensive or change anything ese in the system, tht I am aware of.
   Warm regards
          Julien


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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul  6 11:58:34 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 11:58:34 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Problems with zita-a2j/j2a
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307061248150.15835@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307061248150.15835@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130706115834.GA31535@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 12:51:42PM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:

>   I recently started getting trouble from zita-a2j/j2a. It worked
> like a treat before. I'm trying to integrate my E-MU 1212m into my
> JACK setup, which mainly uses my Delta 1010 LT. Now I only get:
> Starting synchronisation.
> Alsa_pcmi: poll timed out.
>   Repeating over and over again. I tried changing the period size of
> zita-a2j as well as the period size of JACK. No luck. the MIDI of
> the E-MU is working, I've tried it. I can't really check the audio
> by itself without a great hassle, but I assume, that this too should
> be OK.
>   Any idea, why this might have happened? I didn't start anything
> CPU-intensive or change anything ese in the system, tht I am aware

Does the E-MU on its own work with jack ? Also when used in 
capture-only or playback-only mode ?

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From julien at mail.upb.de  Sat Jul  6 14:06:54 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 16:06:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Problems with zita-a2j/j2a
In-Reply-To: <20130706115834.GA31535@linuxaudio.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307061248150.15835@flower.world.net>
 <20130706115834.GA31535@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307061605200.1767@flower.world.net>

Hello Fons!
   I didn't find the bug, but since I had to reboot for other purposes, I 
recheck3ed and it works again. Perhaps something wrong with the firmware or 
ALSA lost it or whatever. No blame to anyone specific, but certainly blame 
away from zita, since I did try something before and that too didn't function 
as planned.
   Anyway, all is well, which is always a good ending for a story.
   Warm regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From allcoms at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 14:41:04 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:41:04 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Yocto : embedded Linux platform
In-Reply-To: <51D7B419.4000805@rahul.net>
References: <49876.188.26.254.75.1373089566.squirrel@boosthardware.com>
 <51D7B419.4000805@rahul.net>
Message-ID: <CANOoOjt0B2WiuBGX0iBzzb=kOHX0xbKBoPqXLtoDJuYs5cCkVg@mail.gmail.com>

Why do I get the feeling you're being less than sincere in your praise of
yocto Ken?

It used to be called open embedded (and I think OpenZaurus before that)
iirc and I've never had much luck with it.


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Ken Dawson <dawsonwu at rahul.net> wrote:

> On 07/05/2013 10:46 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > For those of you who are interested in embedded Linux and Linux
> > Audio/Multimedia you may also be interested in the ongoing development
> > around the Yocto project which seeks to provide a compiler framework and
> > platform for creating bespoke embedded distributions.  Heavily sponsored
> > by Intel and a number of other large multinational companies. Also has
> > nothing to do with Android. Just pure Linux without all the other crap.
> >
> > https://www.yoctoproject.org/
> >
>
> ... with another high-quality community supporting it.
>
> /ken
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From len at ovenwerks.net  Sat Jul  6 15:54:36 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:54:36 -0700
Subject: [LAU] leap motion sdk open
Message-ID: <36500c4d17f14e686ac63747ae1c17e5.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Fri, July 5, 2013 10:57 pm, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Hi,
>
> FYI, the Leap Motion SDK and Developer portal has been opened up today for
> anyone to join.
>
> https://developer.leapmotion.com

Interesting device. One hopes this does not send all our desktops even
more into the made for touchscreen kinds of things. Maybe it will instead
open the small touchscreen devices back up towards full desktop kinds of
use. (full screen apps annoy me) A tablet could have such a device built
into it, a small laser device could project a control interface onto any
surface, keyboard (text or music with multi manuals) a mixer, wave
editor... of course these things could also be done on the main screen..
but I am thinking the wrist angle for some common tasks would be better on
a horizontal surface. A 3D/holographic display is what is needed to
complete this gadget.

The small tablet/smartphone devices suffer from low screen real estate and
so buttons must be big to get touch info accurately, This device could
allow for a much bigger space to be used even on a small screen and
smaller buttons.

How open is the driver? "SDK for Windows 7 and 8, Mac OSX 10.7 and higher,
and Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS and Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail" sounds like
not open to me.


-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From abonnements at revolwear.com  Sat Jul  6 16:07:56 2013
From: abonnements at revolwear.com (Max)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:07:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] leap motion sdk open
In-Reply-To: <36500c4d17f14e686ac63747ae1c17e5.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
References: <36500c4d17f14e686ac63747ae1c17e5.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
Message-ID: <5834D644-3C45-4EDB-87AB-23098135F63D@revolwear.com>


Am 06.07.2013 um 17:54 schrieb Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net>:

> 
> On Fri, July 5, 2013 10:57 pm, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> FYI, the Leap Motion SDK and Developer portal has been opened up today for
>> anyone to join.
>> 
>> https://developer.leapmotion.com
> 
> Interesting device. One hopes this does not send all our desktops even
> more into the made for touchscreen kinds of things. Maybe it will instead
> open the small touchscreen devices back up towards full desktop kinds of
> use. (full screen apps annoy me) A tablet could have such a device built
> into it, a small laser device could project a control interface onto any
> surface, keyboard (text or music with multi manuals) a mixer, wave
> editor... of course these things could also be done on the main screen..
> but I am thinking the wrist angle for some common tasks would be better on
> a horizontal surface. A 3D/holographic display is what is needed to
> complete this gadget.
> 
> The small tablet/smartphone devices suffer from low screen real estate and
> so buttons must be big to get touch info accurately, This device could
> allow for a much bigger space to be used even on a small screen and
> smaller buttons.
> 
> How open is the driver? "SDK for Windows 7 and 8, Mac OSX 10.7 and higher,
> and Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS and Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail" sounds like
> not open to me.

maybe you can put you hopes in http://duo3d.com/ which failed its kickstarter but it shows that it's possible to do a leap with of the shelve parts.

From len at ovenwerks.net  Sat Jul  6 16:24:09 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 09:24:09 -0700
Subject: [LAU] leap motion sdk open
Message-ID: <286ead29c7f63e550ed09a217fe3b23b.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Sat, July 6, 2013 9:07 am, Max wrote:
> Am 06.07.2013 um 17:54 schrieb Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net>:
>> On Fri, July 5, 2013 10:57 pm, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

>>> FYI, the Leap Motion SDK and Developer portal has been opened up today
>>> for
>>> anyone to join.
>>>
>>> https://developer.leapmotion.com

>> How open is the driver? "SDK for Windows 7 and 8, Mac OSX 10.7 and
>> higher,
>> and Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS and Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail" sounds like
>> not open to me.
>
> maybe you can put you hopes in http://duo3d.com/ which failed its
> kickstarter but it shows that it's possible to do a leap with of the
> shelve parts.

The main thing it shows is that there are likely to be more than one
company making them and that there will likely end up being some sort of
IF standard. The duo has pretty pictures and videos, but not much info...
in fact less than the leap site. I do wonder how the Leap "requires"
internet access.

-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Jul  6 19:40:07 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:40:07 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D758CE.1060008@gmail.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <51D7190A.4090800@gmail.com> <51D720A1.3090602@hawaii.rr.com>
 <51D758CE.1060008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D87297.7040801@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/05/2013 01:37 PM, Al Thompson wrote:
> On 07/05/2013 03:38 PM, david wrote:
>> On 07/05/2013 09:05 AM, Al Thompson wrote:
>>> On 07/05/2013 02:38 PM, david wrote:
>>>> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays
>>>> message:
>>>> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for
>>>> one of the following reasons:
>>>>
>>>>       you have JavaScript disabled
>>>>       your device does not support HTML5 video
>>>>       you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the
>>>> latest Flash player to view this video."
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one
>>>> great disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>>>>
>>>> Well, downloaded the MP4 and tried to play it, and it won't play.
>>>> Rather, it plays, but there's no sound and no video. Deleted it and
>>>> tried again, and now mplayer plays it.
>>>
>>> Plays fine here on Fedora 14 (64 bit) and Firefox 22.0.
>>
>> What video driver are you using? My laptop has Intel 855GM video.
>
> i915, but I don't remember why.  It's on an HP laptop, and it works
> fine, so that's all that really matters to me.

That's much newer than the 8xx series!

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Jul  6 19:44:13 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:44:13 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D75416.2020109@wootangent.net>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <51D75416.2020109@wootangent.net>
Message-ID: <51D8738D.80105@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/05/2013 01:17 PM, Leigh Dyer wrote:
> On 6/07/13 4:38 AM, david wrote:
>> Doesn't play here on Debian Sid Linux with Firefox 22. Displays message:
>> " It appears that we are unable to play this video in your browser for
>> one of the following reasons:
>>
>>      you have JavaScript disabled
>>      your device does not support HTML5 video
>>      you have an old version of the Adobe Flash Player. Download the
>> latest Flash player to view this video."
>>
>> IIRC, HMTL5 video support is very dependent on video drivers: one great
>> disadvantage compared to good old proprietary Flash.
>>
> It shouldn't be dependent on drivers, but not all browsers that support
> HTML5 video (or audio, for that matter) will play all HTML5 videos.
> Different browsers support different codecs, and while Chrome, Safari,
> and IE support proprietary codecs like H.264 and AAC, Firefox supports
> only free codecs, like Theora, VP8 (aka WebM) and Vorbis.
>
> So, while Firefox mostly works with HTML5 video on Youtube (since Google
> supports WebM there for many videos), most other sites only offer H.264
> video via HTML5, which won't work with Firefox. Most of those sites will
> fall back to using Flash to play such videos on Firefox if it's
> available, though.
>
> Thanks
> Leigh

Thanks, I think a cause has been identified. I have H.264 libraries 
installed from deb-multimedia. Too bad someone hasn't done like Adobe 
and written a FF plugin for H.264.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Sat Jul  6 22:36:34 2013
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 15:36:34 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Ripping Vinyl
Message-ID: <20130706223634.886C745842@joseph.cosgroves.us>

Hiya,

I'm going to use this Audacity recipe
http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/sample_workflow_for_lp_digitization.html
to rip my album collection.  I might opt for Gnome Wave Cleaner to 
get rid of the crackle, if any.

Is there any alternate method which I should consider for better 
results?

Thanks....

--
Kevin



From bob at mellowood.ca  Sun Jul  7 00:51:40 2013
From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 17:51:40 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Off topic - Bluegrass for boys!
In-Reply-To: <51D8738D.80105@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <CAMKQ+QwLHkwj_699K=A-1J_=ML_Ym1VpKrMnmBMKTfysDRkuTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+HdcZiFbJ+8SeiRnBi_D_-yk=uRdbW6HRor8mM-gDzj=EA+pQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51D70355.4060801@gmail.com> <51D712A5.9090109@hawaii.rr.com>
 <51D75416.2020109@wootangent.net> <51D8738D.80105@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+HdcZh=Y2sboL2oWTMqN5gy4hMugzmk24MbEjvL3Os_KuVDCg@mail.gmail.com>

This is really driving me nuts! I've been trying all kinds of things
to get the ted.com vids to play using FF. I'm down to the conclusion
that there is something in my firefox profile preventing this.

If I create a new profile or start in safe mode I can NOT run ted.com
video. I get a message in my flash window saying "loading" and then an
error 2032.

But, with a completely new/empty .mozilla directory things work fine.

And, now I just deleted some old profiles from my existing
./mozilla/firefox directory  and left myself with just one profile.
And IT WORKS.

-- 
**** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca
WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul  7 12:03:01 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:03:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Ripping Vinyl
Message-ID: <1373198581.1623.0.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2013-07-06 at 15:36 -0700, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/sample_workflow_for_lp_digitization.html

Don't follow this idiotic instruction.

Clean a "normal dusty" LP only with a special blanket, don't wash such
an LP.
Don't edit the recording, e.g. don't add compression, if needed do this
for your classical car collection only, not to archive LPs.



From axeldenstore at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 14:02:19 2013
From: axeldenstore at gmail.com (alexander)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 17:02:19 +0300
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D974EB.6040602@gmail.com>

Great stuff, it's really fun to hear my sampling libraries in action!


On 03/07/13 18:05, Gabbe Nord wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that my second album is finished and 
> online! :D
> It's called "Ordinary Day Montage", and it consists of 8 tracks, and 
> is a bit more electronic than last one.
>
> I prepared a page for this at my new website, 
> http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , but my host is a little 
> shaky, so it might not always work. So, if that link doesn't work, you 
> can find the album at:
>
> Bandcamp
> http://zthmusic.bandcamp.com/album/ordinary-day-montage
> Soundcloud
> https://soundcloud.com/zthmusic/sets/ordinary-day-montage
> FLAC/OGG/MP3-formats for download at Piratebay:
> http://thepiratebay.sx/user/zthmusic/
>
> I'm very excited to be finished and to have completed this. Everything 
> was, as always, 100% made with Linux and Linux software. It's also 
> licensed CC-BY-SA. I wrote a bit about the album and what I've used 
> technically too at http://zthmusic.se/Ordinary_Day_Montage , if anyone 
> wants to check that out!
>
> Anyway, thank you for taking your time to listen! I greatly appreciate it!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

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From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 21:50:51 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:50:51 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>

As many of you already know, Non Mixer (http://non.tuxfamily.org) has
since its inception provided some cushy features for dealing with
Ambisonics mixes.

Lately I've been working on extending these features to the next level.

This is a quick demonstration of the new Spatializer module and the
associated Spatialization Console. What this does is provide synthetic
distance cues as well as a cushy interface for placing sounds in
virtual space.

http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw

I'm hoping to have these new features ready for testing soon--but my
free time is very limited.

As always, donations are welcome and very much appreciated.
(http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Donations)

A note about the video:

Every time I try to make one of these screencasts, I run into the same
problem: nothing works. Thus, I had to aim my video camera at the
screen and record audio from my computer via line-out. This is
problematic for a number of reasons. 1) I can only record stereo this
way 2) my camera only samples audio at 32KHz and 3) When youtube
transcodes the video it adds an annoying click about once per second
(I believe this is due to a mismatch between the camera's framerate
and youtube's expectations. I would love to provide a theora/vorbis
screencapture video instead, but, alas, I cannot find any tools that
can capture screen activity and record audio via JACK in sync. Anyway,
the poor quality of the video is not due to a lack of effort.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul  7 22:00:14 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 00:00:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373234414.663.4.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 14:50 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw

Can't be played with Firefox 22.0. Google Chrome can play it, but IMO
the need for Adobe Flash Player should be dropped by videos done by the
Linux community.

I won't install Adobe Flash Player anymore and usually I don't have
Chrome installed either.

"NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux
as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security
backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux."


From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 22:08:55 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 15:08:55 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <1373234414.663.4.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1373234414.663.4.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSZHoXqVzNL7CZxXbFysN7X8LuB-a7AZyNJ8zwGkdGiaTA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 14:50 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>> http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw
>
> Can't be played with Firefox 22.0. Google Chrome can play it, but IMO
> the need for Adobe Flash Player should be dropped by videos done by the
> Linux community.
>
> I won't install Adobe Flash Player anymore and usually I don't have
> Chrome installed either.
>
> "NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux
> as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security
> backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux."
>

Ralf, please, by all means help by fixing recordmydesktop or one of
the other tools so that I and others can record such demos using only
free-software and open codecs. Or point me at some solution that
works. I have very limited options in this regard. I have no desire to
use youtube.

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 22:18:32 2013
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 02:18:32 +0400
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <1373234414.663.4.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1373234414.663.4.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <CADqqn4-q4NH_FRRbtcma1Fy=bE1db3qEOApSfeRuoa_9gEBSEw@mail.gmail.com>

Slightly OT:

I am usually very liberal when it comes to people's worldview and this is
sincere behavior, I really do respect other people's beliefs and ideals and
I do not need to make any special effort to politely leave my opinions to
myself.

However, sometimes I think it is helpful to point out certain things, so
that people at the very least are aware that an opposing opinion exists.

I'll be brief.

1. I think this is frustrating when you post a link to YouTube and someone
writes a long letter, explaining how they dislike proprietary Flash and how
it does not work on their system or on their browser.

Please, this is YouTube, one of the most used services in the world. If you
cannot watch it - get a plugin to download videos.

There is no need to tell us for the hundredth time that you cannot be
bothered to find a working technical solution to a problem that is simpler
than anything else going on in your command line. Seriously.

2. Adobe Flash is proprietary and we all know it. Period.

Thus, it is really not necessary to use every situation you can to push
your free software fundamentalism on other people. If I use Linux, it does
not mean that I agree with Richard Stallman on everything.


This is not specifically to Ralf, since I have read other people doing this
as well.

I apologize for going OT and would please ask to not take this personally
as this is not meant to be.


Sincerely,
Louigi Verona.



http://www.louigiverona.ru/
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul  7 22:25:35 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 00:25:35 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
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Fixing the desktop recording issues is beyond my scope.

However, Firefox is able to play many YouTube videos, so it seems to be
an issue regarding to a used codec or similar.

There's no need to avoid YouTube, you "only" need to convert your camera
recordings in a way, that the videos can be played with HTML 5 capable
browsers.

I don't know how much work the "only" to do would cause, since I have
given up Linux video a long, long time ago. I already have more than
enough issues with Linux audio, still couldn't get the RME card working
as it should work ;).


From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 22:36:27 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 15:36:27 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <1373235935.663.18.camel@archlinux>
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On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> Fixing the desktop recording issues is beyond my scope.
>
> However, Firefox is able to play many YouTube videos, so it seems to be
> an issue regarding to a used codec or similar.
>
> There's no need to avoid YouTube, you "only" need to convert your camera
> recordings in a way, that the videos can be played with HTML 5 capable
> browsers.
>
> I don't know how much work the "only" to do would cause, since I have
> given up Linux video a long, long time ago. I already have more than
> enough issues with Linux audio, still couldn't get the RME card working
> as it should work ;).
>

Youtube transcodes all uploads to suit their architecture. The codec
of the uploaded video makes no difference.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul  7 22:40:38 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 00:40:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <1373235935.663.18.camel@archlinux>
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Hi Louigi,

the reason that now relatively many people don't want Flash Player
anymore is that it's not maintained for Linux anymore and even on other
platforms it's not available. In the past I used Adobe Flash Player on
Linux myself and I still use proprietary software with Linux.

So at least for me the reason isn't Linux operating system religion,
it's simply that Flash Player is a Windows only thing, not only an issue
for Linux.

Regards,
Ralf


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul  7 22:45:18 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 00:45:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <1373236838.663.24.camel@archlinux>
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On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 00:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> So at least for me the reason isn't Linux operating system religion,
> it's simply that Flash Player is a Windows only thing, not only an issue
> for Linux.

Sure, it's available for Mac too, but I guess you know what I mean.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul  7 22:50:13 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 00:50:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSY9GOK+-Jn2uc-UqVng33pAXGhYHQSFOrVtOdCssS78CA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 15:36 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> Youtube transcodes all uploads to suit their architecture. The codec
> of the uploaded video makes no difference.

Some days ago, a video from another thread on this list and there was a
discussion about Flash Player vs HTML 5 issues too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc

This video can be played with Firefox, without Flash Player and it's on
YouTube.



From malnourite at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 22:50:19 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 15:50:19 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <1373237118.663.26.camel@archlinux>
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On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 00:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> So at least for me the reason isn't Linux operating system religion,
>> it's simply that Flash Player is a Windows only thing, not only an issue
>> for Linux.
>
> Sure, it's available for Mac too, but I guess you know what I mean.
>

Ralf, respectfully, if you can't offer any solutions, then your
comments offer nothing of value. They simply serve to distract the
members of this list.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul  7 23:31:17 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 01:31:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSaVbbx3FdWLwmv7FVtiOJRL7qvjV8QjgGgfaRXgLo0VSg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 15:50 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> Ralf, respectfully, if you can't offer any solutions, then your
> comments offer nothing of value. They simply serve to distract the
> members of this list.

Perhaps this

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2013-July/093553.html

+ this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube#Quality_and_codecs

does help?!

User often can't support solutions ;), but we experience that things
don't work and IMO this should be reported.

The Flash Player issue leads to discussions on Linux and FreeBSD lists,
often people are unable to get Flash Player working and soon or later it
definitive won't work anymore.





From countfuzzball at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 03:33:38 2013
From: countfuzzball at gmail.com (Andrew C)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 04:33:38 +0100
Subject: [LAU]  Music made with linux: Another classic ruined.
Message-ID: <CAGD0fJFPMZNBK8N2wwDGL1QDHKJACZ9US_cK0oFNA6WFc+qkbw@mail.gmail.com>

More mindless musical wankery and overdubs. Mustn't forget the overdub.
Swiftly demolishing The Animals' rendition of House of the rising sun in 1
minute and 40 seconds.

https://soundcloud.com/lladbeldi/another-classic-ruined

Flame away! :D

Andrew.
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From m.kronlachner at student.tugraz.at  Mon Jul  8 09:21:19 2013
From: m.kronlachner at student.tugraz.at (Matthias Kronlachner)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:21:19 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
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looks great! waiting for being able to test those.

i realized that you set the maximum channel count per track to 16 in 
non-mixer.
apart from being easily changed in the source, is there a reason to do that?

do you intend to support lv2 at some point?

thanks for the great work,
matthias

On 7/8/13 12:50 AM, J. Liles wrote:
> As many of you already know, Non Mixer (http://non.tuxfamily.org) has
> since its inception provided some cushy features for dealing with
> Ambisonics mixes.
>
> Lately I've been working on extending these features to the next level.
>
> This is a quick demonstration of the new Spatializer module and the
> associated Spatialization Console. What this does is provide synthetic
> distance cues as well as a cushy interface for placing sounds in
> virtual space.
>
> http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw
>
> I'm hoping to have these new features ready for testing soon--but my
> free time is very limited.
>
> As always, donations are welcome and very much appreciated.
> (http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Donations)
>
> A note about the video:
>
> Every time I try to make one of these screencasts, I run into the same
> problem: nothing works. Thus, I had to aim my video camera at the
> screen and record audio from my computer via line-out. This is
> problematic for a number of reasons. 1) I can only record stereo this
> way 2) my camera only samples audio at 32KHz and 3) When youtube
> transcodes the video it adds an annoying click about once per second
> (I believe this is due to a mismatch between the camera's framerate
> and youtube's expectations. I would love to provide a theora/vorbis
> screencapture video instead, but, alas, I cannot find any tools that
> can capture screen activity and record audio via JACK in sync. Anyway,
> the poor quality of the video is not due to a lack of effort.
> _______________________________________________
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Jul  8 09:22:58 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 11:22:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Another classic ruined.
In-Reply-To: <CAGD0fJFPMZNBK8N2wwDGL1QDHKJACZ9US_cK0oFNA6WFc+qkbw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Andrew!
   In comparison to the original it is ruined. But at least it's thourroughly 
ruined, so that is alright. :-) Good 80s sound, using the alesis HW16 drumkit. 
One of the soundfonts, that was floating around?
   The thing, that realy interests me, is how you got the lead and where you 
got it from? There's obviously some distortion.At first I thought it was a 
Nordlead3 program, but then I recognised the differences. But the lead was a 
fantastic decision. In the beginning it sounded almost like the typical MIDI 
file player of dubious quality, but that lead lent some live and motion to it. 
there's not much movement in the sound itself, but the way you played it and 
its own sonic character contrasted very well with the rest.
   In keeping with the road of your piece
   Best
        Julien :-)

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From karl at aspodata.se  Mon Jul  8 09:28:15 2013
From: karl at aspodata.se (Karl Hammar)
Date: Mon,  8 Jul 2013 11:28:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
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Ralf:
> the reason that now relatively many people don't want Flash Player
> anymore is that it's not maintained for Linux anymore and even on other
> platforms it's not available. In the past I used Adobe Flash Player on
> Linux myself and I still use proprietary software with Linux.
...

Interesting, here in Sweden, the former state television company
is "broadcasting" tv over Internet. They are using flash and their
sister company (the one collectiong the tv-licence fees) wants every-
body with a computer and an internet connection to pay.

If one can show that flash is non-linux, perhaps linux users could
go free.

Do you have any proof that would hold at a court ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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From neil at neilcsmith.net  Mon Jul  8 09:46:10 2013
From: neil at neilcsmith.net (Neil C Smith)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 10:46:10 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Another classic ruined.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307081118510.28820@flower.world.net>
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On 8 July 2013 10:22, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
>   In comparison to the original it is ruined. But at least it's thourroughly
> ruined, so that is alright. :-)

Yes, a most excellent ruination which I like almost as much (take this
as a big complement!) as this - http://youtu.be/Ou5_ypX4_iw

[OT] I once made a 6hr road trip with only the 386DX album to listen
to - an experience I, and most especially my passengers, won't forget!
:-)

Best wishes,

Neil

--
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - open-source, graphical environment for rapid development
of intermedia performance tools, projections and interactive spaces -
http://code.google.com/p/praxis

OpenEye - specialist web solutions for the cultural, education,
charitable and local government sectors - http://openeye.info

From countfuzzball at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 10:26:55 2013
From: countfuzzball at gmail.com (Andrew C)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 11:26:55 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Another classic ruined.
In-Reply-To: <CAHvRSocaqba7ML_yoRdy5-nuB-qkY1_e-SW8piVQVFDtF1z4HA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Julian and Neil,

Thanks for the kind words, glad you both liked it.
Yeah, the backing track and vibraphone/oohs are from my Yamaha PSR-E413 (a
home keyboard, but does the trick most times). The lead sound is from the
Bristol Polysix run through Guitarix for the distortion. The patch is
fairly simple, six oscillators set to a pulse wave with a width of about
64-67% and each one slightly detuned, sent through a lowpass filter with a
cutoff at about 10 o' clock, resonance at about 9 o' clock and filter
tracking set to fully open. No velocity tracking (in keeping with the
spirit of the original Polysix).

The majority of the sound comes from the patch itself and how I set Bristol
to run on startup. The distortion is fairly easy to do: Cranking it up is
better. If you want, I can send you the patches off-list, not too sure if
guitarix is at all easy to control from the console though.

Also, while 386DX's version is rather admirable and I enjoyed it immensely,
I believe that this should get the crowning achievement for best worst
cover:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNYIYK7Itk

Thanks again,

Andrew.


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Neil C Smith <neil at neilcsmith.net> wrote:

> On 8 July 2013 10:22, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
> >   In comparison to the original it is ruined. But at least it's
> thourroughly
> > ruined, so that is alright. :-)
>
> Yes, a most excellent ruination which I like almost as much (take this
> as a big complement!) as this - http://youtu.be/Ou5_ypX4_iw
>
> [OT] I once made a 6hr road trip with only the 386DX album to listen
> to - an experience I, and most especially my passengers, won't forget!
> :-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist : Technologist : Adviser
> http://neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - open-source, graphical environment for rapid development
> of intermedia performance tools, projections and interactive spaces -
> http://code.google.com/p/praxis
>
> OpenEye - specialist web solutions for the cultural, education,
> charitable and local government sectors - http://openeye.info
>
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From lsd at wootangent.net  Mon Jul  8 10:28:20 2013
From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:28:20 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
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On 8/07/13 8:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 14:50 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>> http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw
>
> Can't be played with Firefox 22.0. Google Chrome can play it, but IMO
> the need for Adobe Flash Player should be dropped by videos done by the
> Linux community.

Youtube usually does transcode videos to WebM format for playback on 
Firefox, etc. using only free codecs. I can't say why Youtube hasn't 
done that yet for this video; it could just be that it takes a while for 
the WebM transcodes to happen, and not enough time has elapsed yet. 
Perhaps within a few days the WebM version will be available and you'll 
be able to watch the video in Firefox.

As far as major video sites go, Youtube is way ahead of the curve in its 
support for free codecs -- there's no alternative video sharing that I 
know of that offers such (relatively) comprehensive WebM support.

The alternative is for people posting videos to host them themselves, 
but that's non-trivial, since you also have to also provide a h.264/AAC 
version to have the video work on IE, Safari, and most mobile devices. 
It'd be a shame if users of those platforms were unable to see some of 
the cool things happening in the free software world.

So... it's not an easy problem to solve, and currently, there's not 
really a better solution than Youtube.

Thanks
Leigh


From lsd at wootangent.net  Mon Jul  8 10:30:14 2013
From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:30:14 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
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On 8/07/13 8:50 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 15:36 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>> Youtube transcodes all uploads to suit their architecture. The codec
>> of the uploaded video makes no difference.
>
> Some days ago, a video from another thread on this list and there was a
> discussion about Flash Player vs HTML 5 issues too:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc
>
> This video can be played with Firefox, without Flash Player and it's on
> YouTube.

That's just due to the fact that Youtube has transcoded that particular 
video to WebM; it has nothing to do with the format it was uploaded in.

Thanks
Leigh

From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Jul  8 10:37:18 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 12:37:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Another classic ruined.
In-Reply-To: <CAGD0fJHhnJ7AYC_OOJ-Zfs1w=kyZXOzGY4H=w_rfjk0otGLmfg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Andrew!
   I'd like the Bristol patch, if that's nobother. I can use the LADSPA 
guitarix suite, but I ca't load patches. Still, that can be configured I'm 
sure. The basic interest is in the synth patch. although from your 
description, I think I'll be able to recreate it with ease.
   Warm regards
         Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From lsd at wootangent.net  Mon Jul  8 10:42:11 2013
From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:42:11 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <20130708092815.C1ACC8043961@turkos.aspodata.se>
References: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <51DA9783.70106@wootangent.net>

On 8/07/13 7:28 PM, Karl Hammar wrote:
> Ralf:
>> the reason that now relatively many people don't want Flash Player
>> anymore is that it's not maintained for Linux anymore and even on other
>> platforms it's not available. In the past I used Adobe Flash Player on
>> Linux myself and I still use proprietary software with Linux.
> ...
>
> Interesting, here in Sweden, the former state television company
> is "broadcasting" tv over Internet. They are using flash and their
> sister company (the one collectiong the tv-licence fees) wants every-
> body with a computer and an internet connection to pay.
>
> If one can show that flash is non-linux, perhaps linux users could
> go free.
>
> Do you have any proof that would hold at a court ?

Here's the official announcement from Adobe -- they haven't dropped 
Linux support as such, but they've certainly cut back on it:

http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html

In short, Adobe has stopped releasing new versions of Flash as a plugin 
for Firefox, etc. -- it will receive security fixes for the next five 
years, but no new features. Adobe will continue to make new versions of 
Flash available within Google Chrome, though.

Thans
Leigh


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Jul  8 10:55:08 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:55:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Flash Player - Was: Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <20130708092815.C1ACC8043961@turkos.aspodata.se>
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On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 11:28 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote:
> Ralf:
> > the reason that now relatively many people don't want Flash Player
> > anymore is that it's not maintained for Linux anymore and even on other
> > platforms it's not available. In the past I used Adobe Flash Player on
> > Linux myself and I still use proprietary software with Linux.
> ...
> 
> Interesting, here in Sweden, the former state television company
> is "broadcasting" tv over Internet. They are using flash and their
> sister company (the one collectiong the tv-licence fees) wants every-
> body with a computer and an internet connection to pay.
> 
> If one can show that flash is non-linux, perhaps linux users could
> go free.
> 
> Do you have any proof that would hold at a court 

That's another issue we had in Germany too. The issue now is solved in
Germany, everybody who has got a residence is forced to pay for
television, even if s/he won't and/or can't watch. Exceptions are rare,
e.g. some handicapped persons don't need to pay. Before the law was
changed they tried to get money from computer users too, but many
people, including me, successfully fight against this, so they didn't
get money from us.

I really don't watch scripted realty and all that high-class crap.

One assumption of the former administration was, that everybody does own
a mobile pone with media players. They didn't believe me, that I even
don't own a mobile phone without a media player.

The evidence you want to know, doesn't help you.

"NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux
as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security
backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux." -
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=JZEFT

"latest versions are 11.7.700.224 (Win), 11.7.700.225 (Mac) and
11.2.202.291 (Linux)" -
http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html

The day when Flash Player for Linux will be too outdated is near.

Regards,
Ralf




From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Mon Jul  8 19:14:06 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:14:06 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Another classic ruined.
In-Reply-To: <CAGD0fJFPMZNBK8N2wwDGL1QDHKJACZ9US_cK0oFNA6WFc+qkbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGD0fJFPMZNBK8N2wwDGL1QDHKJACZ9US_cK0oFNA6WFc+qkbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130708201406.517272f5@debian>

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 04:33:38 +0100
Andrew C <countfuzzball at gmail.com> wrote:

> More mindless musical wankery and overdubs. Mustn't forget the overdub.
> Swiftly demolishing The Animals' rendition of House of the rising sun in 1
> minute and 40 seconds.
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/lladbeldi/another-classic-ruined
> 
> Flame away! :D
> 
> Andrew.

Almost genteel :o

Very enjoyable.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From bjb-linux-audio-user at deus.net  Mon Jul  8 19:50:51 2013
From: bjb-linux-audio-user at deus.net (Ben Bell)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:50:51 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Debut prog-rock album, all produced with Open Source!
Message-ID: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>

Hi folks,

Having seen all the wonderful Linux-produced efforts being announced here
I couldn't resist posting this one.

Last Monday my band, Fusion Orchestra 2, released their new album "Casting
Shadows". All the official press releases are concentrating on the normal
sorts of stuff and I'm not supposed to get into software politics in them,
but I'm quietly jumping up and down about the fact that the whole thing,
from start to finish, was produced in Linux using Open Source tools. Music,
artwork, the lot.

The bulk of the work was courtesy of Ardour (2.8.x) with mastering handled
by JAMin. At some point I'll probably write a blog about the process of
producing the album but for now, I'm just going to share a sampler of
it:

  https://soundcloud.com/benjamesbell/casting-shadows-sampler/s-ad5hC

Oh, and on the off-chance anyone is interested enough to buy a copy, make
sure you add something to the delivery notes saying you read about it here
and for each copy sold that way we'll donate $1 to Ardour. I doubt it'll
make much of a splash but if everyone using Ardour does something similar I'm
sure it'll help.

And now that's all done I can finally make the switch to Ardour 3 for the
next project ;)

bjb




From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Mon Jul  8 19:58:06 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:58:06 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Debut prog-rock album, all produced with Open Source!
In-Reply-To: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>
References: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>
Message-ID: <20130708205806.4a0ae9fd@debian>

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:50:51 +0100
Ben Bell <bjb-linux-audio-user at deus.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Having seen all the wonderful Linux-produced efforts being announced here
> I couldn't resist posting this one.
> 
> Last Monday my band, Fusion Orchestra 2, released their new album "Casting
> Shadows". All the official press releases are concentrating on the normal
> sorts of stuff and I'm not supposed to get into software politics in them,
> but I'm quietly jumping up and down about the fact that the whole thing,
> from start to finish, was produced in Linux using Open Source tools. Music,
> artwork, the lot.
> 
> The bulk of the work was courtesy of Ardour (2.8.x) with mastering handled
> by JAMin. At some point I'll probably write a blog about the process of
> producing the album but for now, I'm just going to share a sampler of
> it:
> 
>   https://soundcloud.com/benjamesbell/casting-shadows-sampler/s-ad5hC
> 
> Oh, and on the off-chance anyone is interested enough to buy a copy, make
> sure you add something to the delivery notes saying you read about it here
> and for each copy sold that way we'll donate $1 to Ardour. I doubt it'll
> make much of a splash but if everyone using Ardour does something similar I'm
> sure it'll help.
> 
> And now that's all done I can finally make the switch to Ardour 3 for the
> next project ;)
> 
> bjb

Very impressed with this sampler. I hope the album does well for you.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 20:11:55 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:11:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpWOHiQzBHGS6HPp7tQhyfHj1M7eXFcQGYH6MXR8E7AAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpWOHiQzBHGS6HPp7tQhyfHj1M7eXFcQGYH6MXR8E7AAPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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i tried to diggin in IRQ setup for low latency. situation is much better;

48000/64/3

but I would like to have maximum :)

before my last ideas gonna to die, I would like to ask if my asound.rc
looks good:

pcm.!default {

    type plug

    slave { pcm "jack" }

}

pcm.jack {

    type jack

    playback_ports {

        0 system:playback_1

        1 system:playback_2

    }

    capture_ports {

        0 system:capture_1

        1 system:capture_2

    }

}

ctl.mixer0 {

    type hw

    card 0

}

my setup:
archlinux, presonusVSL 1818,

Fero
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From althompson58 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 20:28:50 2013
From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 16:28:50 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Debut prog-rock album, all produced with Open Source!
In-Reply-To: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>
References: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>
Message-ID: <51DB2102.3000008@gmail.com>

On 07/08/2013 03:50 PM, Ben Bell wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Having seen all the wonderful Linux-produced efforts being announced here
> I couldn't resist posting this one.
>
> Last Monday my band, Fusion Orchestra 2, released their new album "Casting
> Shadows". All the official press releases are concentrating on the normal
> sorts of stuff and I'm not supposed to get into software politics in them,
> but I'm quietly jumping up and down about the fact that the whole thing,
> from start to finish, was produced in Linux using Open Source tools. Music,
> artwork, the lot.
>
> The bulk of the work was courtesy of Ardour (2.8.x) with mastering handled
> by JAMin. At some point I'll probably write a blog about the process of
> producing the album but for now, I'm just going to share a sampler of
> it:
>
>   https://soundcloud.com/benjamesbell/casting-shadows-sampler/s-ad5hC
>

Very nice!!!!  My favorite genre of music.

Are they keyboards, specifically the Hammond, plugins, or real instruments?


-- 
---
My bands, CD projects, music, news, and pictures:

  http://www.lateralforce.com
 
 
My blog, with commentary on a variety of things, including audio,
mixing, equipment, etc, is at:
   http://audioandmore.wordpress.com
 
 
Staat hei?t das k?lteste aller kalten Ungeheuer.  Kalt l?gt es auch;
und diese L?ge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.'
                                                - [Friedrich Nietzsche]


From bjb-linux-audio-user at deus.net  Mon Jul  8 20:44:09 2013
From: bjb-linux-audio-user at deus.net (Ben Bell)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:44:09 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Debut prog-rock album, all produced with Open Source!
In-Reply-To: <51DB2102.3000008@gmail.com>
References: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net> <51DB2102.3000008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130708204409.GO32655@deus.net>

On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 04:28:50PM -0400, Al Thompson wrote:
> Very nice!!!!  My favorite genre of music.
Thank you!

> Are they keyboards, specifically the Hammond, plugins, or real instruments?
They're all real(ish) keyboards. The Hammond's an XK3c, the piano's a digital
Yamaha P80, the clav's from a Nord Stage. The synths are primarily Prophet
08 and Nord Stage again, and the mellotron impressions are from an Emu
Classic Keys. The latter will probably be replaced with Tajiguy samples in
future recordings.

The guitars are through Marshall, Aguilar, and Yamaha pre-amps, though in
a few places I recorded them quite clean and livened them up with the C*
Audio Plugins. CAPS plate reverb and Freeverb did their share of lifting
too :)

bjb



From allcoms at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 20:54:59 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:54:59 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <51DA9444.5060207@wootangent.net>
References: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
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There are more free software-friendly alternatives to YT. I uploaded my
Ardour 3 MIDI tutorial to archive.org, for example:

http://archive.org/details/movies


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Leigh Dyer <lsd at wootangent.net> wrote:

> On 8/07/13 8:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 14:50 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>>
>>> http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw
>>>
>>
>> Can't be played with Firefox 22.0. Google Chrome can play it, but IMO
>> the need for Adobe Flash Player should be dropped by videos done by the
>> Linux community.
>>
>
> Youtube usually does transcode videos to WebM format for playback on
> Firefox, etc. using only free codecs. I can't say why Youtube hasn't done
> that yet for this video; it could just be that it takes a while for the
> WebM transcodes to happen, and not enough time has elapsed yet. Perhaps
> within a few days the WebM version will be available and you'll be able to
> watch the video in Firefox.
>
> As far as major video sites go, Youtube is way ahead of the curve in its
> support for free codecs -- there's no alternative video sharing that I know
> of that offers such (relatively) comprehensive WebM support.
>
> The alternative is for people posting videos to host them themselves, but
> that's non-trivial, since you also have to also provide a h.264/AAC version
> to have the video work on IE, Safari, and most mobile devices. It'd be a
> shame if users of those platforms were unable to see some of the cool
> things happening in the free software world.
>
> So... it's not an easy problem to solve, and currently, there's not really
> a better solution than Youtube.
>
> Thanks
> Leigh
>
>
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 21:30:24 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:30:24 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <CANOoOjvc7pFYY6u077hgRzGwYo8fQkQ16fvkUgV0gNx6Hj-y+g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are more free software-friendly alternatives to YT. I uploaded my
> Ardour 3 MIDI tutorial to archive.org, for example:
>
> http://archive.org/details/movies
>

I'm aware of archive.org and would have preferred to use it (had I been
able to generate an ogg/theora movie) However, since I imagine
archive.orgis using the same tools that are available to me for
transcoding, then I
fail to see how they could transcode the output of this particular video
camera without the audio going out of sync--as I tried literally every
piece of free-software in myriad combinations on it. I suppose it's worth a
shot, but considering that it took me some 2 and a half hours to upload the
enormous mjpeg encoded video to youtube--I wasn't anxious to repeat the
process.
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From allcoms at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 22:59:51 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 23:59:51 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSY2mG+W+xDtRJw6JuhY5OrXHicjY0kQDrX4HHBmxRObcg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have used RecordItNow (under KXStudio) to create screencasts painlessly
recently. I then used KDEnlive to normalize the audio - done!

It works fine in RMD mode but I had issues (no sound nor stop) when using
its ffmpeg recording backend instead - natch.


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:30 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Dan MacDonald <allcoms at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are more free software-friendly alternatives to YT. I uploaded my
>> Ardour 3 MIDI tutorial to archive.org, for example:
>>
>> http://archive.org/details/movies
>>
>
> I'm aware of archive.org and would have preferred to use it (had I been
> able to generate an ogg/theora movie) However, since I imagine archive.orgis using the same tools that are available to me for transcoding, then I
> fail to see how they could transcode the output of this particular video
> camera without the audio going out of sync--as I tried literally every
> piece of free-software in myriad combinations on it. I suppose it's worth a
> shot, but considering that it took me some 2 and a half hours to upload the
> enormous mjpeg encoded video to youtube--I wasn't anxious to repeat the
> process.
>
>
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From lsd at wootangent.net  Mon Jul  8 23:18:18 2013
From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 09:18:18 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <CANOoOjvc7pFYY6u077hgRzGwYo8fQkQ16fvkUgV0gNx6Hj-y+g@mail.gmail.com>
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On 09/07/13 06:54, Dan MacDonald wrote:
> There are more free software-friendly alternatives to YT. I uploaded my
> Ardour 3 MIDI tutorial to archive.org <http://archive.org>, for example:
>
> http://archive.org/details/movies

Does archive.org automatically transcode videos to WebM and H.264/AAC 
for playback across all platforms/devices? I've been trying to find 
information about that on the website, but I haven't find it yet.

Thanks
Leigh

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Leigh Dyer <lsd at wootangent.net
> <mailto:lsd at wootangent.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 8/07/13 8:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>         On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 14:50 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
>
>             http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw
>
>
>         Can't be played with Firefox 22.0. Google Chrome can play it,
>         but IMO
>         the need for Adobe Flash Player should be dropped by videos done
>         by the
>         Linux community.
>
>
>     Youtube usually does transcode videos to WebM format for playback on
>     Firefox, etc. using only free codecs. I can't say why Youtube hasn't
>     done that yet for this video; it could just be that it takes a while
>     for the WebM transcodes to happen, and not enough time has elapsed
>     yet. Perhaps within a few days the WebM version will be available
>     and you'll be able to watch the video in Firefox.
>
>     As far as major video sites go, Youtube is way ahead of the curve in
>     its support for free codecs -- there's no alternative video sharing
>     that I know of that offers such (relatively) comprehensive WebM support.
>
>     The alternative is for people posting videos to host them
>     themselves, but that's non-trivial, since you also have to also
>     provide a h.264/AAC version to have the video work on IE, Safari,
>     and most mobile devices. It'd be a shame if users of those platforms
>     were unable to see some of the cool things happening in the free
>     software world.
>
>     So... it's not an easy problem to solve, and currently, there's not
>     really a better solution than Youtube.
>
>     Thanks
>     Leigh
>
>
>     _________________________________________________
>     Linux-audio-user mailing list
>     Linux-audio-user at lists.__linuxaudio.org
>     <mailto:Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>     http://lists.linuxaudio.org/__listinfo/linux-audio-user
>     <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user>
>
>


From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Tue Jul  9 02:52:22 2013
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:52:22 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Ripping Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <1373198581.1623.0.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <20130709025222.BD292BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 7 July 2013 at 14:03, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 2013-07-06 at 15:36 -0700, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/sample_workflow_for_lp_digitization.html
> 
> Don't follow this idiotic instruction.
>
> Clean a "normal dusty" LP only with a special blanket, don't
> wash such an LP.

I have really good LP cleaning equipment.  Getting the old audio
system running very well is not an issue here.  I've kept that
gear running since I first put it into service.

> Don't edit the recording, e.g. don't add compression, if needed
> do this for your classical car collection only, not to archive
> LPs.

That would almost work for me.  I tried many click, crackle and
noise correction methods.  I couldn't get any of that in Gnome
Wave Cleaner (GWC) to produce a result where I could tolerate the
fidelity reduction to the music.  But, the unwanted audio did
decrease substantially, even at low modification settings.  After
a night long of fiddling, I opted to train the noise reduction in
Audacity at the LP lead-out and use that to reduce crackle in the
inter-song track regions.  I used Audacity's declick feature, but
only on actual clicks, not on the whole audio file.  I'm quite
please with the results of my first LP ripping.

Thanks for the advice and links folks!

--
Kevin



From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Jul  9 06:15:03 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:15:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <51DA9444.5060207@wootangent.net>
References: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1373234414.663.4.camel@archlinux> <51DA9444.5060207@wootangent.net>
Message-ID: <1373350503.681.61.camel@archlinux>

On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 20:28 +1000, Leigh Dyer wrote:
> On 8/07/13 8:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 14:50 -0700, J. Liles wrote:
> >> http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw
> >
> > Can't be played with Firefox 22.0.
> 
> Youtube usually does transcode videos to WebM format for playback on 
> Firefox, etc. using only free codecs. I can't say why Youtube hasn't 
> done that yet for this video; it could just be that it takes a while for 
> the WebM transcodes to happen

And you're right. Now Firefox is able to play it too.


From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Jul  9 09:12:40 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:12:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Debut prog-rock album, all produced with Open Source!
In-Reply-To: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>
References: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307091057360.13862@flower.world.net>

Hello Ben!
   first of all, I'd like to say thanks for sharing these samples with us. I 
like them. I must admit, that the snipet around 55 seconds reminds me of 
"Cruel Summer".
   When you said, that this album takes us through quite a bit, I'd suspected 
something with even more different sections, but as you said, this is only a 
sampler and I can see, that this might really be worth to listen to as a 
whole. I'll see, if I can arrange to get it. I'm sure, this will be possible.
   It is all well played. I like the instruments and playing itself. Your 
singer is really good! I like her. The guitarist too appears to have his/her 
style. It's alwyas good, especially with a debut, to find musicians, who have 
found their own character.
   the only thing, that is still really young about this album is the mix. It's 
good and well balanced. I can hear everything and nothing disturbs me. Only 
the drum mix sounds rather nondescript. From personal experience I know, that 
it's a hassle to get a really good and characteristic sound out of a drumkit 
and still be able to integrate it with a full arrangement, so chapo to that as 
well. I'm sure such things will devfelop over time. Once you know, that you 
can do it, you get more and more creative and have more and more concrete 
ideas on how to evolve the sound into something very personal. the china 
already has that bit of "personality". It sounded rather strange to me the 
first time around, but now, that I've acquainted myself with it a little more, 
I hear it as it is and I hear it as something particular to your sound.
   Musically I already said, that a couple of sections sound well-connected 
harmonically. Since I like your chord progressions, that is no problem for me. 
:-) Over all the walk on the edge between slightly symphonic and band-oriented 
is well done. If I had to go into comparisons, I'd say on the line between 
Flower Kings an Spock's Beard. I had a very intense Flower Kings moment 
starting around 4:32min.
   As a last remark I want to add, that I also enjoyed the balance between 
harmonies and melodies. Both have their very distincitve moments and leave 
their traces in my ears, thus making for an enjoyable and capturing ride. I 
aprove. :-) Good job to all, who were involved!
   Warm regards
           Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From bjb-linux-audio-user at deus.net  Tue Jul  9 09:46:27 2013
From: bjb-linux-audio-user at deus.net (Ben Bell)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:46:27 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Debut prog-rock album, all produced with Open Source!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307091057360.13862@flower.world.net>
References: <20130708195051.GL32655@deus.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307091057360.13862@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130709094627.GA17544@deus.net>

>   first of all, I'd like to say thanks for sharing these samples with us. 
> I like them. I must admit, that the snipet around 55 seconds reminds me 
> of "Cruel Summer".
Hah! I had to google that, but it amused me. Maybe I should add Bananarama
to our list of influences? ;)

> Only the drum mix sounds rather nondescript. From personal experience 
Yes, drums are the hardest thing and I'm very definitely still learning
there. The drummer also used a borrowed (my) kit rather than his own for
the recordings. I've promised him that next time we'll track using his
own kit :)

> into something very personal. the china already has that bit of 
> "personality". It sounded rather strange to me the first time around, but 
Hah, yes. That china is quite distinctive, but sometimes I think it needs
to be place in the next room ;)

> I'd say on the line between Flower Kings an Spock's Beard.
That's interesting. I think the rest of the band would be surprised by that
but the two tracks I used as reference recordings when mixing and mastering
were "In The Eyes Of The World" and "On A Perfect Day". I kid ye not!

Thank you very much for the detailed feedback :)

Ben



From seablaede at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 12:53:05 2013
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:53:05 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Non Mixer Spatializer Demo
In-Reply-To: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhWSSZ6LdATZB9OMy3eo9QZNkeKz+m7vyTU=pfa5V4JW6+YaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANo8TMqfqavTz2-+SV9Pp+A-7XBSm4RzkcsMktpH1no_P_Dg6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Ignoring the flash non-flash conversation....

This is an impressive demo, I do like what I am seeing.  Thanks!

   Seablade


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM, J. Liles <malnourite at gmail.com> wrote:

> As many of you already know, Non Mixer (http://non.tuxfamily.org) has
> since its inception provided some cushy features for dealing with
> Ambisonics mixes.
>
> Lately I've been working on extending these features to the next level.
>
> This is a quick demonstration of the new Spatializer module and the
> associated Spatialization Console. What this does is provide synthetic
> distance cues as well as a cushy interface for placing sounds in
> virtual space.
>
> http://youtu.be/GVm5Jd1WDWw
>
> I'm hoping to have these new features ready for testing soon--but my
> free time is very limited.
>
> As always, donations are welcome and very much appreciated.
> (http://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Donations)
>
> A note about the video:
>
> Every time I try to make one of these screencasts, I run into the same
> problem: nothing works. Thus, I had to aim my video camera at the
> screen and record audio from my computer via line-out. This is
> problematic for a number of reasons. 1) I can only record stereo this
> way 2) my camera only samples audio at 32KHz and 3) When youtube
> transcodes the video it adds an annoying click about once per second
> (I believe this is due to a mismatch between the camera's framerate
> and youtube's expectations. I would love to provide a theora/vorbis
> screencapture video instead, but, alas, I cannot find any tools that
> can capture screen activity and record audio via JACK in sync. Anyway,
> the poor quality of the video is not due to a lack of effort.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From abhayadevs at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 04:07:29 2013
From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:37:29 +0530
Subject: [LAU] My first mix - for review
Message-ID: <CAMF23z3cHhX7nZUEYa3yjiaRYRb=Z0izFRwyFnV_aAFzz6izRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am newbie interested in recording, mixing & mastering.

The links are of my first mix, where i tried to mix and already recorded &
over-dubbed (base & lead) electric guitar track with a Hydrogen
programmed (by me) drum. I have put guitar tracks (original and in the mix
stem) separately for easy review.

I used,
Ubuntu Studio 13.04
Ardour 3,
CLAF (Compressor) and  EQ10Q in the guitar/drum tracks and in master bus
CALF reverb in the FX bus for both guitar and drum.
Scarllet 8i6

tracks in soundcloud,

http://soundcloud.com/abhayadevs/venu-electric-guitar-mixdown-r2 - ROCK-ishmix

http://soundcloud.com/abhayadevs/venu-electric-guitar-166bpm-original -
original guitar stem

https://soundcloud.com/abhayadevs/venu-electric-guitar-stem-r1 - guitar
stem in the mix
http://soundcloud.com/abhayadevs/venu-electric-guitar-mixdown-r1 - drum
style 1

looking forward to hear your reviews.


Regards,
?Abhay?
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From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 13:28:06 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:28:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU] carla & TAP plugins
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpUHrdKJwEc1Mfc+31aegEsKR1MgVGRZ_uf8qFoH3Ye9Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Carla is a great piece of software - thank you for that.
I have troubles with some TAP plugins (TAP equalizer, pitchshifter), i did
not tested all of TAP, only what I need.

when loading these plugins carla falls with msg in console:

Aborted (core dumped)

can I do something with that ?

thanks
fero
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Wed Jul 10 13:35:13 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:35:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] carla & TAP plugins
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpUHrdKJwEc1Mfc+31aegEsKR1MgVGRZ_uf8qFoH3Ye9Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpUHrdKJwEc1Mfc+31aegEsKR1MgVGRZ_uf8qFoH3Ye9Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51DD6311.4050101@autostatic.com>

On 07/10/2013 03:28 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
> Hi,
> Carla is a great piece of software - thank you for that.
> I have troubles with some TAP plugins (TAP equalizer, pitchshifter), i did
> not tested all of TAP, only what I need.
> 
> when loading these plugins carla falls with msg in console:
> 
> Aborted (core dumped)
> 
> can I do something with that ?
> 
> thanks
> fero

Hi Fero,

You can reach the author of Carla on the LinuxMusicians.com forum:
http://forum.linuxmusicians.com/index.php
Afaik he doesn't read this mailinglist on a regular basis while on the
forum he'll reply promptly.

Regards,

Jeremy

From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com  Wed Jul 10 14:32:10 2013
From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:32:10 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Denemo 1.0.4 released!
Message-ID: <CAOVXK3e+mBjd7ACEWz4yHaxUatzQzg1+xK9r8GKnA-nbO2fO=A@mail.gmail.com>

Denemo version 1.0.4 has been released.

Denemo is a program for creating music notation. http://www.denemo.org/
The music is displayed as music notation while typing or playing in and
is simultaneously typeset via LilyPond typesetter. It can also be played
via internal synthesizer.

New features in this version:

*Playing back repeats in MIDI
**Da Capo and Dal Segno also supported
*Double-Clicking for Help
**Explore the object at the cursor
*Learner mode
**key presses are shown as you make them **the command and its
tooltip is explained
*Note Entry by PC-keyboard Improved
**The duration keys sound the note entered
**They simultaneous set the prevailing duration *Audio
Recording
**Export to .ogg or .wav files
**Live performance also recorded
*Translations
**Italian Complete
**French Complete
**Czech Complete
**A few strings still not offered to the translators
*Bug Fixes
**Layout blocks properly supported
**Mouse clicking positioning
**Accessing the space above the top staff

Known Issues for this version:
Windows users should reboot after installing

Here are the compressed sources (from a mirror) :

http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/denemo/denemo-1.0.4.tar.gz

If automatic redirection fails, the list of mirrors is at:
http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html

Or if need be you can use the main GNU ftp server:

http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/denemo/denemo-1.0.4.tar.gz

Windows Binary:
http://denemo.org/downloads/denemo-1.0.4-0.mingw.exe
Linux Binary:
http://denemo.org/downloads/denemo-1.0.4-0.linux-x86
Mac:
http://denemo.org/downloads/denemo-1.0.4-0.darwin-x86.tar.bz2
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From falktx at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 16:01:32 2013
From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:01:32 +0100
Subject: [LAU] carla & TAP plugins
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpUHrdKJwEc1Mfc+31aegEsKR1MgVGRZ_uf8qFoH3Ye9Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpUHrdKJwEc1Mfc+31aegEsKR1MgVGRZ_uf8qFoH3Ye9Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51DD855C.5050503@gmail.com>

On 07/10/2013 02:28 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
> Hi,
> Carla is a great piece of software - thank you for that.
> I have troubles with some TAP plugins (TAP equalizer, pitchshifter), i
> did not tested all of TAP, only what I need.
>
> when loading these plugins carla falls with msg in console:
>
> Aborted (core dumped)
>
> can I do something with that ?
>

Hi there,
can you give me information on how you build&run Carla please?

If you build from source, you can use:
make clean
make debug
gdb --args python3 ./src/carla.py

and try to get a backtrace on gdb.


In any case, please report any issues to
https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues


From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 16:07:12 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:07:12 +0200
Subject: [LAU] carla & TAP plugins
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpXOFessf=MNN67hRz0E3t=X=PPHaiM3q8SODZiL5vwOEw@mail.gmail.com>

I built Carla from AUR. have I try to build it from source ?
fero
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From malnourite at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 16:46:55 2013
From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:46:55 -0700
Subject: [LAU] carla & TAP plugins
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpUHrdKJwEc1Mfc+31aegEsKR1MgVGRZ_uf8qFoH3Ye9Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpUHrdKJwEc1Mfc+31aegEsKR1MgVGRZ_uf8qFoH3Ye9Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhWSSZMyg1wdBYL_VSgdW30=5jZJBdLZfdpccJ4aCDRJ8PQqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Fero Kiraly <fero.kiraly at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Carla is a great piece of software - thank you for that.
> I have troubles with some TAP plugins (TAP equalizer, pitchshifter), i did
> not tested all of TAP, only what I need.
>
> when loading these plugins carla falls with msg in console:
>
> Aborted (core dumped)
>
> can I do something with that ?
>
> thanks
> fero
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>

FYI, some of the TAP plugins (TAP EQ in particular) are not RT safe (so an
RT host shouldn't even allow you to load them).
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From falktx at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 21:09:04 2013
From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 22:09:04 +0100
Subject: [LAU] carla & TAP plugins
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpXOFessf=MNN67hRz0E3t=X=PPHaiM3q8SODZiL5vwOEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpXOFessf=MNN67hRz0E3t=X=PPHaiM3q8SODZiL5vwOEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51DDCD70.9000102@gmail.com>

On 07/10/2013 05:07 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
> I built Carla from AUR. have I try to build it from source ?

No need, I was able to reproduce the bug and fix it.
I'll make a new bugfix release very soon


From fedelogy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 21:56:29 2013
From: fedelogy at gmail.com (Federico Bruni)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 23:56:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ffado-diag: FireWire kernel stack not present
Message-ID: <CAPjDBpoXV5U+Ro=6zaaNLb5zg+d0921ezmRFO0zozVCvCMUNXg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there

I'm trying to connect my Esi Quatafire to a new laptop which doesn't have
any firewire port. I'm  using the DisplayPort (known also as Thunderbolt)
and an adapter (?) to firewire.

If I run ffado-diag (full log attached), it says:

=== REPORT ===
FireWire kernel drivers:

FireWire kernel stack not present. Please compile the kernel with
FireWire support.

I'm on debian sid.
I have libraw1394-11 version 2.1.0
I wonder if DisplayPort works on Linux...

Thanks for your help
Federico
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Thu Jul 11 13:00:58 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 15:00:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] New piano Jazz: the Erfurt Sketches
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307111458220.12724@flower.world.net>

Hello Everyone!
   This has been lying around, completely hidden for over a year now. So I 
finally release the whole bunch, just as rough and edgey as they are.
http://juliencoder.de/nama/erfurt_sketches/
   the Erfurt Sketches was mainly written/improvised in Erfurt and mostly about 
it. Thanks to my kind host and pianist zappa, who taught me my first ever jazz 
lesson. If you ever happen to come the Erfurt way, see, if he's got a concert.
   I hope you enjoy these small impressions and pictures. If you feel like 
feedback, that's appreciated. :-)
   Warm regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From jannis_achstetter at web.de  Thu Jul 11 16:00:54 2013
From: jannis_achstetter at web.de (Jannis Achstetter)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:00:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ffado-diag: FireWire kernel stack not present
In-Reply-To: <CAPjDBpoXV5U+Ro=6zaaNLb5zg+d0921ezmRFO0zozVCvCMUNXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPjDBpoXV5U+Ro=6zaaNLb5zg+d0921ezmRFO0zozVCvCMUNXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51DED6B6.4090906@web.de>

Hi,

Am 10.07.2013 23:56, schrieb Federico Bruni:
> Hi there
> 
> I'm trying to connect my Esi Quatafire to a new laptop which doesn't
> have any firewire port. I'm  using the DisplayPort (known also as
> Thunderbolt) and an adapter (?) to firewire.

DisplayPort and Thunderbolt are two different things. Displayport works
under Linux but IMO only for displays (hence the name?). Thunderbolt
doesn't work at all. At least from what I read about it lately.

Best regards,
	Jannis



From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 16:52:46 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:52:46 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : Fabla
Message-ID: <CAKudYbP0eoSvMa60SYSqS5nuHEJ2tgwbjfZs1knEK_W0dQZT8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everybody,

Its my pleasure to announce that the next OpenAV Productions LV2 plugin is
finished!

Its called Fabla, and its a performance sampler.
Page: http://openavproductions.com/fabla
Demo reel: https://vimeo.com/70122957

One year from today Fabla will be released, and each donation motivates the
release to be one month earlier. -Harry

PS: The release system is the same as the previous OpenAV release for
Sorcer, details available here: http://openavproductions.com/support
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From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Thu Jul 11 21:53:07 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:53:07 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Slightly O/T was:  linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
In-Reply-To: <51D4289B.80406@autostatic.com>
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On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:35:23 +0200
Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com> wrote:

> On 07/03/2013 03:27 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Anyone got an idiot's guide for compiling a suitable kernel for debian squeeze?
> >> > I don't really have any problems but feel sure I could get more out of this
> >> > beast (a quad core AMD), and might get slightly better timing.
> > 
> > Oops!
> > Not Squeeze, but Wheezy :o
> 
> Hi Will,
> 
> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#build_your_own_real-time_kernel_on_debian_wheezy_or_later
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeremy
Sorry I'm slow responding.

Thanks for this, but when I started to look at it I saw a bit about modifying
config. I had a look at the file and found it totally incomprehensible. I think
I'll have to stay with things as they are :(

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From atte at youmail.dk  Thu Jul 11 22:51:48 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:51:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx as dssi
Message-ID: <51DF3704.1020305@youmail.dk>

Hi

I'm trying to get zynaddsubfx going as dssi plugin in renoise on 
crunchbang (Debian Wheezy).

I downloaded the source ZynAddSubFX-2.4.3.tar.bz2, installed the 
dependencies, ran cmake and ccmake (switching DSSI on) as advised in 
doc/build.txt. Everything seems to build just fine, running make install 
places the dssi plugin in /usr/local/lib/dssi:

atte at blokhus:~/software/zynaddsubfx/ZynAddSubFX-2.4.3$ ll 
/usr/local/lib/dssi/libzynaddsubfx_dssi.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 3.6M Jul 12 00:35 
/usr/local/lib/dssi/libzynaddsubfx_dssi.so

However zynaddsubfx doesn't show up in renoise. I then tried symlinking 
to /usr/lib/dssi (maybe renoise forgot to look in /usr/local)

atte at blokhus:~$ ll /usr/lib/dssi/
total 1.1M
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jun  5 10:21 calf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 955K May 17  2012 calf.so
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jun  5 09:57 fluidsynth-dssi
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  22K Jul 19  2011 fluidsynth-dssi.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.1K Dec  3  2011 karplong.so
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jun  5 10:19 less_trivial_synth
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  12K Dec  3  2011 less_trivial_synth.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   42 Jul 12 00:48 libzynaddsubfx_dssi.so -> 
/usr/local/lib/dssi/libzynaddsubfx_dssi.so
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K May 29 11:41 nekobee
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  74K Apr 14  2011 nekobee.so
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jun  5 10:19 trivial_sampler
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  11K Dec  3  2011 trivial_sampler.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.7K Dec  3  2011 trivial_synth.so

Still no luck :-(

Any ideas? Anybody using the dssi version of zynaddsubfx?

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From fedelogy at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 06:32:40 2013
From: fedelogy at gmail.com (Federico Bruni)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 08:32:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ffado-diag: FireWire kernel stack not present
In-Reply-To: <51DED6B6.4090906@web.de>
References: <CAPjDBpoXV5U+Ro=6zaaNLb5zg+d0921ezmRFO0zozVCvCMUNXg@mail.gmail.com>
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2013/7/11 Jannis Achstetter <jannis_achstetter at web.de>

> Hi,
>
> Am 10.07.2013 23:56, schrieb Federico Bruni:
> > Hi there
> >
> > I'm trying to connect my Esi Quatafire to a new laptop which doesn't
> > have any firewire port. I'm  using the DisplayPort (known also as
> > Thunderbolt) and an adapter (?) to firewire.
>
> DisplayPort and Thunderbolt are two different things. Displayport works
> under Linux but IMO only for displays (hence the name?). Thunderbolt
> doesn't work at all. At least from what I read about it lately.
>

I see, but the port is the same (actually it's mini DisplayPort). If
thunderbolt will be supported in linux one day, I should be able to use it.
But I guess that I'll need a USB2 audio interface for this laptop..
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Fri Jul 12 07:46:04 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:46:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Slightly O/T was:  linux-rt & presonus 1818VSL
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On 07/11/2013 11:53 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:
> Sorry I'm slow responding.
> 
> Thanks for this, but when I started to look at it I saw a bit about modifying
> config. I had a look at the file and found it totally incomprehensible. I think
> I'll have to stay with things as they are :(

Hello Will,

Don't worry about the kernel config file, you barely have to touch it.
And when you have to do so there are menu driven tools to do this (make
menuconfig/xconfig/gconfig). And then there are very few options you'd
like to adjust to begin with like the kernel timer setting and the
preemption model setting. I'll add it to the Wiki.

Jeremy

From p8rpp at aol.com  Fri Jul 12 15:24:33 2013
From: p8rpp at aol.com (Peter P.)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 17:24:33 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Call for Applications: IEM Graz Music Residency Program 2014
Message-ID: <20130712152432.GF23694@aol.de>

IEM Music Residency Program 2014 - Call for Applications

(please distribute)

The Institute of Electronic Music and Acoustics (IEM) in Graz, Austria
is happy to announce its new Music Residency program and invites
applications from artists, scholars and practitioners for the 2014
edition.

The Residency is aimed at individuals wishing to pursue projects in
performance, composition, installation and sound art, development of
tools for art production and related areas.

Duration of residency: 5 months
Start date: January 1st 2014 (negotiable)
Monthly salary: Approx. EUR 1100 (net)

APPLICATION DEADLINE: 1st of September 2013 23:59 CEST

The Institute of Electronic Music and Acoustics is a department of the
University of Music and Performing Arts Graz and was founded in 1965.
An internationally well reknown institution in its field, it currently
holds a staff of more than 25 members. IEM offers education to
students in composition and computer music, sound engineering, contemporary
music performance and musicology. It is well connected to the University of
Technology as well as to the University of Graz through two joint
study programs.

The artwork produced at IEM is released through the Institute's own
OpenCUBE and Signale concert series, as well as through various
collaborations with international artists and institutions.

IEM's main activities are centered around the three main research areas
         Computer Music
         Artistic Research
         Signal Processing and Acoustics
and contributions to these, or any other field of relevance, are
invited for the Music Residency program.

What we expect from applicants:
-An outstanding project proposal that adds new perspectives to the
Institute's activities and resonates well with the interests of IEM
members and students.
-The succesful applicant will work on-site in Graz for the major part
of the Residency.
-Willingness to exchange and share ideas, knowledge and results with
IEM staff members and students and engage in scholarly discussion.
-The ability to work independently within the Institute as well as a
strong initiative to integrate into the faculty life.
-A dissemination strategy as part of the project proposal that ensures
the publication of the work, or documentation thereof, in a suitable
high-quality format. This could be achieved for example through the
release of media, journal or conference publication, a project website
or other means that help to preserve the knowledge gained through the
Music Residency and make it available to the public.

What we offer to the successful applicant:
-Support in artistic production and arts-based research
-Exchange with competent and experienced staff members
-Work and office space
-Contact with peers from similar or other disciplines
-Infrastructure (electroacoustic music studios, icosahedral
loudspeaker array, motion capture technology)
-Concert and presentation facilities (CUBE 24 channel loudspeaker
concert space)
-Existing networks with local/international partners
-We provide a monthly salary of approx. EUR 1100 net per month in
addition to health and accident insurance.

An application form providing more information is available at
http://iem.at/~residency/applicationForm-IEM-MusicResidency2014.odt
or
http://iem.at/~residency/applicationForm-IEM-MusicResidency2014.docx

Feel free to contact residency at iem.at with questions.

kind regards
Peter Plessas
IEM Graz

From atte at youmail.dk  Fri Jul 12 16:44:22 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:44:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New/old album online
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1306262034200.2149@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1306262034200.2149@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <51E03266.9000602@youmail.dk>

On 06/26/2013 08:37 PM, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello everyone!

Hi

I didn't have time to listen just yet, but wanted to make a few 
suggestions already:

1) I think a single download of the entire album would make it much more 
accessible.

2) I would prefer file names like 01_music_for_a_new_world.mp3 and not 
music.mp3

3) I think you should tag all files (I only downloaded the mp3 files), 
with the same album and same arist, remember track number to have the 
album play correctly in various players.

Thanks for sharing!

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Jul 12 16:56:09 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:56:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] New/old album online
In-Reply-To: <51E03266.9000602@youmail.dk>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1306262034200.2149@flower.world.net>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307121855060.28537@flower.world.net>

Hello atte!
   thanks for the suggestions. I've had part of those before. at least my 
latest EP has tracknumbers in the filenames. I'll do that with the next album.
   I'm looking forward to hear your feedback about the music. Careful: it's 
quite varied from song to song.
   Warm regards
         Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From rustys.lists at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 17:38:44 2013
From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:38:44 -0700
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
	or normalization and dc offset correction?
Message-ID: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list,
I know this is a contravercial subject, but I'd like to hear some viewpoints.

I use a delta 1010lt card. I'm  wondering if I should carefully set my
input levels for each input source, or, if the digital convenience of
normalizing and dc ofset makes up for level defficiencies, without
adding noise.

I know the concern here is signal to noise ratio.
Would my delta add noise if I boosted input levels initially or, in
normalizing, am I just boosting the audio with  the snr which I would
have recordedif I had boosted my input levels in the first place?

Does that make sense?

Thanks!
Rusty

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 12 17:59:26 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:59:26 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373651966.697.142.camel@archlinux>

Forget about the theory and listen, after that decide what to do!

Before the digital domain becomes important, you already have to think
about the optimal operating point of the analog side ;).

What do you want to archive?

"Creative work" or a "test-signal by the best possible way"?

What is more important for you?

Do you have a very good creative work to archive?
Do you have crap to archive, that only could impress by absolutely
optimized sound quality?

More: In what context?

Best leveling for source A and for source B vs the best leveling for a
situation, when you want to play source A and B by a package. IOW the
needed dynamic for a motion picture is different to the needed dynamic
of a commercial.

If there's a package of commercials and a motion picture you want to
provide, then each has to fit to the other.

Resume: Your question already does include the answer!

You don't hear a difference, but you want to know, what is the so called
best!

Regarding to what? I switched my job from audio engineer to child care,
since I can't stand that audio idiocy anymore.

If you want to be hip and want to get money for your work, than keep a
whole recording at 0 dBFS. If you want to do something that has to do
with real art, than take an educated guess and answer yourself.

You don't hear a difference and have to ask what's better? Why?

We seem to live in an age where recording quality is the best, but the
things that are recorded are crap. IMO it's better to have a less good
recording quality, but with better stuff that is recorded.



From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 12 18:17:26 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:17:26 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373653046.697.150.camel@archlinux>

PS: At what sample rate and what bit depth? Who will listen? Bats,
humans, god?

48 Khz 32bit float is what you need, perhaps less bit, but do you get
audio jitter or any other issues?

For your 48 KHz x bit don't care too much about the optimized leveling
for the analog and digital side, it's likely more safe to keep the
digital side much below -3 dBFS, than to optimize it to 0 dBFS.


From wizardofgosz at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 18:17:52 2013
From: wizardofgosz at gmail.com (Ricardus Vincente)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:17:52 -0400
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
	or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E04850.7090207@gmail.com>

On 07/12/2013 01:38 PM, Rusty Perez wrote:

> Hi list,
> I know this is a contravercial subject, but I'd like to hear some
viewpoints.
>
> I use a delta 1010lt card. I'm  wondering if I should carefully set my
> input levels for each input source, or, if the digital convenience of
> normalizing and dc ofset makes up for level defficiencies, without
> adding noise.
>
> I know the concern here is signal to noise ratio.
> Would my delta add noise if I boosted input levels initially or, in
> normalizing, am I just boosting the audio with  the snr which I would
> have recordedif I had boosted my input levels in the first place?
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty

This is not controversial. It's simply gain staging.

 Record fairly hot to tape, but don't clip. If you see red lights turn
it down a bit. That said, recording at 24 bit leaves tons of resolution
and you don't need to record quite as loudly as we did in the 16 bit
ADAT days.

 I never normalize the tracks in the DAW when mixing. I can't do it with
my analog machine, so I don't do it with my DAW. That said, if one or
two tracks is recorded really low, I will boost them up to about the
same levels as the other tracks.

 I only normalize after mastering. In other words, when the song is
mixed and mastered, the last step is normalizing. You might not want to
normalize to zero, though. Some people believe in this new gremlin
called inter-sample distortion or some such thing.

 Rich...


From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 18:36:58 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:36:58 +0100
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
	or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <51E04850.7090207@gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ricardus Vincente <wizardofgosz at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Some people believe in this new gremlim called inter-sample distortion or
some such thing.

[Side note on gremlins]
Inter sample peaks: neither peak represents the highest value of the wave:
the peak exists between the samples. This is a mathematically proven
phenomena. The distance to keep from 0dB FS depends on the signal (due to
the inter-sample peaks depending on the signal).

I tend to stay away 3dB from 0dBFS, I think that suffices... -Harry
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 18:38:27 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:38:27 +0100
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
	or normalization and dc offset correction?
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On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Inter sample peaks: neither peak represents the highest value of the wave:

Thinko / typo there.. neither *sample* represents the highest value, the
peak is inbetween the *samples*. Sorry!
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 12 18:45:23 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:45:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
Message-ID: <1373654723.697.167.camel@archlinux>

I guess it was off-list by accident?!

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From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
To: Rusty Perez <rustys.lists at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LAU] maximum input level, or normalization and dc offset
correction?
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:40:23 +0200

On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 11:20 -0700, Rusty Perez wrote:
> My question was really more of a question to understand what unwanted
> noise I may be adding to my recording, which I'm not hearing, either
> because of deficient equipment or deficient hearing. :-)

A valid question, but don't care about the dynamic, the real issue with
mastering music that should sound as good as possible on as much
equipment as possible is the whole mix regarding to frequencies, phases
vs mono and stereo.

It's unlikely that noise will become an issue, it's more likely that the
frequencies are biased or that there will be phasing between the
channels.

What faders do you use? The analog inputs have an optimized working
point, perhaps the digital side then is too high or lower than
"optimal". I don't know what positive or negative effects are caused by
digital remachining. Keep the level below 0 dBFS, resp. add headroom.
Too high in all cases is bad, but even a real too low level might be
inaudible.

"I never normalize the tracks in the DAW when mixing. I can't do it with
my analog machine, so I don't do it with my DAW." - Ricardus Vincente

and we can use the volume control of our amps to make the music louder
and quieter. However, optimal leveling at recording time is better, than
postprocessing. Analogy: If a recording does miss frequencies, you can't
raise the missing frequencies, you only can rase frequencies that are
there, but to silent, but this will come with side effects.




From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 12 18:46:07 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:46:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
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On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 19:36 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:

> I tend to stay away 3dB from 0dBFS, I think that suffices...

Me too, but to be fair, it's not really needed to level at -3 dBFS.



From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Jul 12 18:55:22 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:55:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Rusty!
   Here are my two pennies. In reasonable ranges this shouldn't make a 
difference. Especially if you work with 32-BIT float samples. No noise will be 
added by the normalisatin as such. So no artefacts of the process of 
amplification. The Delta is a good soundcard. I haven't had problems with it 
yet. Most of the noise, that I get is from my instruments. My DX7 has a rather 
low level, but all I can hear, is what I can already hear from the DX7, when 
plugging in the headphones. The same went for the clavinet. I had to amplify 
that by about 200-300% and the only real audible effect I got was lots of 
humming from the power source. It's not well insulated.
   In general, it is good to set your input levels on the delta rather close to 
what you need. Only take care, that you don't overdrive the input, because 
that can't be cleaned up later. With most of my keyboards between 0 and 3DB 
gain - as seen in alsamixer - is quite fine. Normalisation levels move around 
110-120%, which I think is OK.
   This is quite beyond the point of normalisation in general. There are 
different views on that.
   DC offset is a thing quite apart from normalisation. I always apply 
DC-offset cleanup to every track, just in case. I don't know, which part of 
the equipment is most likely to course it, but I'm not aware of direct 
correction or quality facilities on the soundcard.
   Warm regards
          Julien

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From grib at billgribble.com  Fri Jul 12 18:59:03 2013
From: grib at billgribble.com (Bill Gribble)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:59:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <51E04850.7090207@gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:17 -0400, Ricardus Vincente wrote:

>  Record fairly hot to tape, but don't clip. If you see red lights turn
> it down a bit. That said, recording at 24 bit leaves tons of resolution
> and you don't need to record quite as loudly as we did in the 16 bit
> ADAT days.

I think you are underselling the benefits of 24-bit recording here.
It's not necessary to record "hot" at all.  

AFAICT "best practice" with modern equipment is to basically work as if
you were on an analog console; that is, clipping at no less than +20 dB
with respect to your "0 dB" working level.  That means you record with
signals working at RMS around -20dBFS and then you just don't worry
about clipping unless your signal is truly hugely dynamic, and in that
case you make allowances as necessary with gain and/or limiting. 

I tend to believe anything Mike Rivers says, and his article on gain
staging
(http://mikeriversaudio.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/gainstructure.pdf)
indicates that you really do need 20 dB of headroom over RMS to deal
with recording real music (see the "Crest Factor" section in the piece
mentioned above, which is mandatory reading in any case).  

3dB corresponds to roughly 1 bit of amplitude, so working at -20dBFS
means you are giving up about 6-7 bits of resolution to headroom,
leaving something like 17 bits in your "working" range, plus whatever
headroom you use for transients.  In your final production step, during
mastering, you will likely be exporting to 16-bit PCM for CD, so you
aren't really giving up anything except the stress of constantly
watching for overs. 

Practically, working this way in a DAW takes some getting used to,
because the "waveform" display of your tracks at -20dBFS looks pretty
much like a flat line.  You don't get those pretty wave shapes until you
zoom in. 

I have seen arguments, which I can neither refute nor support, that
working within the last 1-2 db of your available dynamic range on input
may compromise signal quality as well, as you are (for cheaply designed
prosumer hardware) pushing against the voltage rails of the analog
circuitry in front of the A/D and possibly running into current
limitations.  This is "plausible" but could also be total bunk, and I
wouldn't take either side in a bar bet. 

Thanks,
Bill Gribble 





From grib at billgribble.com  Fri Jul 12 19:01:14 2013
From: grib at billgribble.com (Bill Gribble)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:01:14 -0400
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <1373655543.6087.52.camel@cayenne.local>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1373655674.6087.53.camel@cayenne.local>

On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:59 -0400, Bill Gribble wrote:
> 3dB corresponds to roughly 1 bit of amplitude, so working at -20dBFS
> means you are giving up about 6-7 bits of resolution to headroom,
> leaving something like 17 bits in your "working" range, plus whatever
> headroom you use for transients.

Oops, that was stupid.  6 dB corresponds to 1 bit, so you lose about 3
bits. 

Thanks,
Bill Gribble 




From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 12 19:05:29 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:05:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122049030.28537@flower.world.net>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 20:55 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
> reasonable ranges

I agree! But it's hard to define "reasonable ranges"

> With most of my keyboards between 0 and 3DB

Not 0 to 3 dB, but -3 to 0 dBFS ;).

For full-scale square -3 dB is headroom, for full-scale sine it's the
max, so you should add some headroom, e.g. -6 dBFS or a limiter.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 12 19:12:14 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:12:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <1373655543.6087.52.camel@cayenne.local>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1373656334.697.179.camel@archlinux>

On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:59 -0400, Bill Gribble wrote:
> -20dBFS

Headroom depends to the kind of music and the kind of instrument. I
agree that this is a good value for many recordings, while for less
dynamically music or instruments -3 dBFS should be ok too, not to
confuse with the sine vs square situation, regarding to this we need to
add -3 dBFS, so at least -6dBFS are usefull, resp. for more daynamic
caused by the music or instrument, yes, -20dBFS isn't unlikely, it's a
valid headroom.



From wizardofgosz at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 20:20:40 2013
From: wizardofgosz at gmail.com (Ricardus Vincente)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:20:40 -0400
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
	or normalization and dc offset correction?
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On 07/12/2013 02:36 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:

> <wizardofgosz at gmail.com <mailto:wizardofgosz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Some people believe in this new gremlim called inter-sample distortion
> or some such thing.
> 
> [Side note on gremlins]
> Inter sample peaks: neither peak represents the highest value of the
> wave: the peak exists between the samples. This is a mathematically
> proven phenomena. The distance to keep from 0dB FS depends on the signal
> (due to the inter-sample peaks depending on the signal).
> 
> I tend to stay away 3dB from 0dBFS, I think that suffices... -Harry

 I understand that they can exist, but for the waveform to be rendered
by the D/A, 3dB over the sample values (in the peake between the
samples) seems like an unlikely transient.  Further, if the D/A has
sufficient headroom (modern good D/A should) I would think it's not
really a problem.

 I still see plenty of mastering engineers normalizing their INCREDIBLY
LOUD mixes to 0, and to -.1

 So in short, I tend not worry about it.   :-)

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 20:34:27 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:34:27 +0100
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
	or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <51E06518.5000105@gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAKudYbNn0a78pRNiOxKwPg-udWaqdWGvzYm--7_OGQUDBXUgiA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Ricardus Vincente <wizardofgosz at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Further, if the D/A has sufficient headroom (modern good D/A should) I
would think it's not
> really a problem.

Found it! I was thinking of a presentation I'd seen somewhere, where the
details of inter-sample peaks is properly explained: Slide 22 of Fons' EBU
loudness meter presentaton (given at LAC2011 Maynooth, by Jorn
Nettingsmeier):
http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2011/download/lm-pres.pdf

The wave is pretty much predictable: until a (strange) *double 1.0* value
sample appears. The D/A conversion goes crazy, a spike to value of approx
3, while the range should be -1 to 1.

The worse thing is, the longer this "predictable" part is, the *higher* the
spike gets.

> So in short, I tend not worry about it.   :-)
Me neither! Posted this for the sake of completeness. -Harry
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From atte at youmail.dk  Fri Jul 12 20:46:11 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 22:46:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
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On 07/05/2013 12:20 PM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
> Thinking about it, I think you can achieve more or less the same result
> by using a bus with a tremolo plugin on. Maybe worth checking out if
> sidechaining per say does not work!

Depends if the compression is following a fixed pattern (like a 
four-on-the-floor bass drumm) or not.

Done more subtle, it can be a way of letting things like bass drum cut 
through the mix.

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Jul 12 21:08:23 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:08:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>

Hello!
   I need to get a vocal microphone. I've had this project several times 
before, but now I'm decided. There are a couple of alternatives. there is the 
Shure SM5x and there is the SE-220, if my memory doesn't betray me. Any more 
suggestions on the topic? I want to pay around 100-200 EUR maximum. This 
microphone will be meant solely for singing. No instruments to mic.
   Warm regards and sorry for the OT again
          Julien

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From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Fri Jul 12 21:24:24 2013
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:24:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130712232424.4f969046@xingu.arnoldarts.de>

Hi,

top-reply because Julien likes that (I heard).

There is a reason the SM58 is in every tour-case on every stage on
every event in the last 20-30 years. Its a trusted old friend and can
take the heat. If you want something a bit better, take the Beta58
which has a bit clearer sound.

If you want your mic for the studio the choice is completely different:
Get a large-diaphragm microphone, maybe the Studio Projects B1 (I got
the little sisters C1 as a stereo-pair and like them), the Rode NT1
or an AKG in that range.

You can also use these for micing traditional instruments
(relatively close to cello or violin for example), for acoustic guitars
and in (not direct) front of guitar-amp. Provided the room is nice
too...

Have fun,

Arnold

On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Julien Claassen
<julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
>    I need to get a vocal microphone. I've had this project several
> times before, but now I'm decided. There are a couple of
> alternatives. there is the Shure SM5x and there is the SE-220, if my
> memory doesn't betray me. Any more suggestions on the topic? I want
> to pay around 100-200 EUR maximum. This microphone will be meant
> solely for singing. No instruments to mic. Warm regards and sorry for
> the OT again Julien
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From jh at brainiac.com  Fri Jul 12 21:31:53 2013
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 17:31:53 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
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On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:08:23 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello!
>    I need to get a vocal microphone. 

I recently got a Blue Encore 200 mic for vocals after having a great 
experience using a friend's in a live setting.  I like it quite a bit
for vocals.  It's a dynamic cardioid mic and needs phantom power.  

-- 
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       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

From jostein at vait.se  Fri Jul 12 21:33:49 2013
From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:33:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <51E0763D.4080101@vait.se>

Hi Julien,

On 07/12/2013 11:08 PM, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello!
>    I need to get a vocal microphone. I've had this project several times
> before, but now I'm decided. There are a couple of alternatives. there
> is the Shure SM5x and there is the SE-220, if my memory doesn't betray
> me. Any more suggestions on the topic? I want to pay around 100-200 EUR
> maximum. This microphone will be meant solely for singing. No
> instruments to mic.

sE X1 is a really good one and fantastic for the price.
Here is links to the specification (PDF file) and the product page:

http://www.seelectronics.com/static/downloads/cms/specs/sex1.pdf
http://www.seelectronics.com/se-x1-microphone

Jostein


From leoave at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 22:07:50 2013
From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:07:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
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Hi Julien:

Vocals mic?
For that money I would go with: Sennheiser Evolution e935 or the Audix OM7
is a better one.

Speaking of Shure SM58, yes, it is the most popular, but not so good in
other things.
Most popular doesn't mean best (win/Linux)
To get bass form them you have to eat it, that's the way it was design, for
the rocker guy to sing touching it with the lips.

To be honest I got better sound with the Senn e835 than the SM58.

And I do like to be different, the rest uses SM58, I use e835.

If I need a hammer, I buy a hammer, not a mic.

:)

Leo
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From althompson58 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 22:11:55 2013
From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:11:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
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On 07/12/2013 06:07 PM, Leonardo Palomares wrote:
>
> If I need a hammer, I buy a hammer, not a mic.
>
>

But, if you buy an SM58, you have a hammer AND a mic (and a wheel chock,
and a doorstop, and much much more!).

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From petecrighton at googlemail.com  Sat Jul 13 00:54:18 2013
From: petecrighton at googlemail.com (Peter Crighton)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 02:54:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
In-Reply-To: <20130712232424.4f969046@xingu.arnoldarts.de>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
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Message-ID: <CAFGY_6Kf2YvwkpWqaTE90Z86x2Zp0Jab8q_kFte2jE0X3_Yb6g@mail.gmail.com>

Although I am no expert on this and don?t have that much experience with
it: I have a R?de NT1-A, and I do love and recommend it!


--
Peter Crighton | Musician & Music Engraver based in Mainz, Germany
http://www.petercrighton.de


2013/7/12 Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de>

> Hi,
>
> top-reply because Julien likes that (I heard).
>
> There is a reason the SM58 is in every tour-case on every stage on
> every event in the last 20-30 years. Its a trusted old friend and can
> take the heat. If you want something a bit better, take the Beta58
> which has a bit clearer sound.
>
> If you want your mic for the studio the choice is completely different:
> Get a large-diaphragm microphone, maybe the Studio Projects B1 (I got
> the little sisters C1 as a stereo-pair and like them), the Rode NT1
> or an AKG in that range.
>
> You can also use these for micing traditional instruments
> (relatively close to cello or violin for example), for acoustic guitars
> and in (not direct) front of guitar-amp. Provided the room is nice
> too...
>
> Have fun,
>
> Arnold
>
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Julien Claassen
> <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
> >    I need to get a vocal microphone. I've had this project several
> > times before, but now I'm decided. There are a couple of
> > alternatives. there is the Shure SM5x and there is the SE-220, if my
> > memory doesn't betray me. Any more suggestions on the topic? I want
> > to pay around 100-200 EUR maximum. This microphone will be meant
> > solely for singing. No instruments to mic. Warm regards and sorry for
> > the OT again Julien
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Sat Jul 13 01:16:43 2013
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:16:43 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130713011644.00914BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us>


Last year one of our Pickathon (shameless plug, pickathon.com)
sound crew was asked to pick up an SM58 on the way to load-in for
the weekend.  He did that, but he also picked up a Sennheiser
e840 ($130USD).  There was no comparison.  The Sennheiser was
much clearer and was less prone to feedback than the SM58.  The
58 went back to the store, and the e840 stayed up, along with the
guy buying another e840.  Next time I need a vocal mic I'll get
an e945 ($220USD), a step up from the e840.

I'm also familiar with Beyer Dymamics, which are fabulous, but
about $300USD.  The e840s have a bit more presence in the vocal
sweet spot, and have a hotter signal by 6-10dB.  The Beyer's are
also much nicer sounding than the SM58.  We also use AKG 330s,
and the Sennheiser keeps up with them too.

The advantage, as far as I can tell, of an SM58, is that a drunk
singer can drop them from the stage onto concrete 2m below,
and they're likely to still sound the same.  Also, they don't
sound all that bad to start with, and they're not too expensive
($100USD).  For live sound there's a lot to be said for cheap and
indestructible.  In a studio someone might want a bit more.

All the best....



On 12 July 2013 at 23:08, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello!
>    I need to get a vocal microphone. I've had this project several times 
> before, but now I'm decided. There are a couple of alternatives. there is the 
> Shure SM5x and there is the SE-220, if my memory doesn't betray me. Any more 
> suggestions on the topic? I want to pay around 100-200 EUR maximum. This 
> microphone will be meant solely for singing. No instruments to mic.
>    Warm regards and sorry for the OT again
>           Julien
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 

--
Kevin



From gheskett at wdtv.com  Sat Jul 13 02:52:10 2013
From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 22:52:10 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
In-Reply-To: <20130713011644.00914BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us>
References: <20130713011644.00914BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us>
Message-ID: <201307122252.10886.gheskett@wdtv.com>

On Friday 12 July 2013 22:29:50 Kevin Cosgrove did opine:

> Last year one of our Pickathon (shameless plug, pickathon.com)
> sound crew was asked to pick up an SM58 on the way to load-in for
> the weekend.  He did that, but he also picked up a Sennheiser
> e840 ($130USD).  There was no comparison.  The Sennheiser was
> much clearer and was less prone to feedback than the SM58.  The
> 58 went back to the store, and the e840 stayed up, along with the
> guy buying another e840.  Next time I need a vocal mic I'll get
> an e945 ($220USD), a step up from the e840.
> 
> I'm also familiar with Beyer Dymamics, which are fabulous, but
> about $300USD.  The e840s have a bit more presence in the vocal
> sweet spot, and have a hotter signal by 6-10dB.  The Beyer's are
> also much nicer sounding than the SM58.  We also use AKG 330s,
> and the Sennheiser keeps up with them too.
> 
> The advantage, as far as I can tell, of an SM58, is that a drunk
> singer can drop them from the stage onto concrete 2m below,
> and they're likely to still sound the same.  Also, they don't
> sound all that bad to start with, and they're not too expensive
> ($100USD).  For live sound there's a lot to be said for cheap and
> indestructible.  In a studio someone might want a bit more.
>
Indestructible is a pretty strong word.  Quite a few years ago when I was 
the CE at a tv station, I'd convinced TPTB that the mic situation in news 
was untenable, and with a lot of yelling and screaming, got perms to by 6 
of them, so we'd have one for each camera crew and one spare.

Two things.

Every time one of them was laid down while setting up the camera, it would 
leave, but a radio shack $20 lookalike would come home with the reporter & 
the reporters didn't know the diff & couldn't be bothered to learn.

In 2 months we had one left and it was smashed as if a fire truck had run 
over it, about 1/2" thick.  Maybe it did for all I know.  One failed with 
no visible damage in a week, sent it back, they fixed it, we had the tape 
on the air about 10 days later when it went away again, sitting on a stand 
in full view of the rolling camera while interviewing a football coach.

You have no clue how destructive a reporter, who is gung ho to get the 
story, alligators in the pool be damned, can be to even the relatively 
heavy SM58.  Better than 80% of whats out there, at <50% of the price, but 
not indestructible.

Cheers, Gene
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 13 05:24:36 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:24:36 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <51E06518.5000105@gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E04850.7090207@gmail.com>
 <CAKudYbNn0a78pRNiOxKwPg-udWaqdWGvzYm--7_OGQUDBXUgiA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E06518.5000105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373693076.697.206.camel@archlinux>

On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 16:20 -0400, Ricardus Vincente wrote:
> On 07/12/2013 02:36 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> 
> > <wizardofgosz at gmail.com <mailto:wizardofgosz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Some people believe in this new gremlim called inter-sample distortion
> > or some such thing.
> > 
> > [Side note on gremlins]
> > Inter sample peaks: neither peak represents the highest value of the
> > wave: the peak exists between the samples. This is a mathematically
> > proven phenomena. The distance to keep from 0dB FS depends on the signal
> > (due to the inter-sample peaks depending on the signal).
> > 
> > I tend to stay away 3dB from 0dBFS, I think that suffices... -Harry
> 
>  I understand that they can exist, but for the waveform to be rendered
> by the D/A, 3dB over the sample values (in the peake between the
> samples) seems like an unlikely transient.  Further, if the D/A has
> sufficient headroom (modern good D/A should) I would think it's not
> really a problem.
> 
>  I still see plenty of mastering engineers normalizing their INCREDIBLY
> LOUD mixes to 0, and to -.1

And those mixes do sound good ;)? They mix music in a way that I can't
stand to listen it. You like to listen to this music?

>  So in short, I tend not worry about it.   :-)

In the past I made many masterings with DAT having a margin of just 0.5,
IOW -0.5 dBFS, when recording a live session without limiter even peaks
that were > 0 dBFS don't cause audible effects.

However, what do the meters show? Full-Scale Sine Wave, then the sine is
at 0 dBFS or Full-Scale Square Wave, then the max for the sine should be
at -3 dBFS. I really don't know what the meters do display.

The sound of DAT recordings with peaks at -6 dBFS or lower -12 dBFS etc.
don't sound less good, then recordings with peaks at -3 or 0 dBFS.

It's nonsense to take care about "optimized" leveling, there simply
should be headroom so that peaks won't reach 0 dBFS or -3 dBFS. As
somebody already pointed out, e.g. -20 dBFS, then peaks anyway might
reach 0 or -3 dBFS. For the mastering, when we know the peaks we don't
need that much headroom, but a peak won't reach always the same level,
sometimes it might be at -2.5 dBFS and sometimes at -3 dBFS, so minimal
headroom is needed. Even if > 0 dBFS sometimes isn't audible, sometimes
it does cause audible effects.

Regarding to noise, as Julien already pointed out, the instrument or
microphone does cause noise, you won't hear the noise of a good sound
card. Julien mentioned the DX7, yes, my DX7 does produce audible noise
too, but recording my Matrix-1000 is like recording a soft synth, there
isn't noise.

FWIW there is a reason that adding noise sometimes does improve the
sound quality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither :

"Usage

Dither should be added to any low-amplitude or highly-periodic signal
before any quantization or re-quantization process, in order to
de-correlate the quantization noise from the input signal and to prevent
non-linear behavior (distortion); the lesser the bit depth, the greater
the dither must be. The result of the process still yields distortion,
but the distortion is of a random nature so the resulting noise is,
effectively, de-correlated from the intended signal. Any bit-reduction
process should add dither to the waveform before the reduction is
performed."


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 13 05:29:30 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:29:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307122305420.28537@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <1373693370.697.207.camel@archlinux>

For studio and/or stage?



From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 13 05:47:07 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:47:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
In-Reply-To: <201307122252.10886.gheskett@wdtv.com>
References: <20130713011644.00914BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us>
 <201307122252.10886.gheskett@wdtv.com>
Message-ID: <1373694427.697.218.camel@archlinux>

On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 22:52 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Every time one of them was laid down while setting up the camera, it would 
> leave, but a radio shack $20 lookalike would come home with the reporter & 
> the reporters didn't know the diff & couldn't be bothered to learn.

I own such a faked SM58, a Realistic Highball, costs >$20, perhaps >=
$45, it does sound less good than the original, but even this fake is
indestructible! Around 30 years in usage, it was broken to intermateable
pieces and then pieced together, it's still ok. But the sound quality
even of the original SM58 is minimal better than the sound of an
elCheapo microphone from the supermarket.

The fakes that came home don't had switches? My fake has got a switch.


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 13 11:00:08 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:00:08 +0000
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbM=6CUtGezaQJfvtAVbYuyOSb48DOLmezb1-ThZHjcv8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E04850.7090207@gmail.com>
 <CAKudYbNn0a78pRNiOxKwPg-udWaqdWGvzYm--7_OGQUDBXUgiA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E06518.5000105@gmail.com>
 <CAKudYbM=6CUtGezaQJfvtAVbYuyOSb48DOLmezb1-ThZHjcv8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130713110008.GA30046@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 09:34:27PM +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
 
> http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2011/download/lm-pres.pdf
> 
> The wave is pretty much predictable: until a (strange) *double 1.0* value
> sample appears. The D/A conversion goes crazy, a spike to value of approx
> 3, while the range should be -1 to 1.

This is of course an extreme example. In real life the soup isn't
eaten that hot. 

I use dpl1 as a safety net for most of my work, usually it's set
to -0.5 dB as the allowed peak level. 


Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 13 11:10:03 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:10:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <20130713110008.GA30046@linuxaudio.org>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E04850.7090207@gmail.com>
 <CAKudYbNn0a78pRNiOxKwPg-udWaqdWGvzYm--7_OGQUDBXUgiA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E06518.5000105@gmail.com>
 <CAKudYbM=6CUtGezaQJfvtAVbYuyOSb48DOLmezb1-ThZHjcv8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130713110008.GA30046@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <1373713803.700.5.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 11:00 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> -0.5 dB

Exactly the margin I preferred in the past with my AIWA and Sony DAT
recorders, but I never noticed anything when I mastered exactly to 0.0
either, however often in the past I mastered between -0.5 and -1.5 or
even -2 and today I master in a range from 0.0 to -3.0 and seldom even
-6.0. There's nothing bad audible neither at 0.0 and also not if it's
very low, e.g. -10.0, only the loudness does differ, at least for my
hearing.


From atte at youmail.dk  Sat Jul 13 11:18:02 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:18:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx as dssi
In-Reply-To: <51DF3704.1020305@youmail.dk>
References: <51DF3704.1020305@youmail.dk>
Message-ID: <51E1376A.6010403@youmail.dk>

On 07/12/2013 12:51 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:

> However zynaddsubfx doesn't show up in renoise. I then tried symlinking
> to /usr/lib/dssi (maybe renoise forgot to look in /usr/local)

Looked in the renoise Log.txt, which shows this:

DSSI: Scanning '/usr/lib/dssi/libzynaddsubfx_dssi.so'...
DSSI: Instantiate FAILED (failed to open the DLL file 
'/usr/lib/dssi/libzynaddsubfx_dssi.so: undefined symbol: instance_name')!

A fellow renoise users, tried zyn/dssi under rosegarden and it reports 
the same. So it seems zyn is either not build correctly or not exactly 
ready for prime time as dssi. The later seems strange, though, since 
there's a package in debian (that has too-new dependencies for me to 
install):

http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zynaddsubfx-dssi

Any thoughts?

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From allcoms at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 11:35:58 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 12:35:58 +0100
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx as dssi
In-Reply-To: <51E1376A.6010403@youmail.dk>
References: <51DF3704.1020305@youmail.dk>
	<51E1376A.6010403@youmail.dk>
Message-ID: <CANOoOjv-mQ+0xsm+Pqsx_RRqa31ZWDvpc_bvQpY1vAv+wXLUvg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not a renoise user - I know it supports lxvst's but its news to me that
it supports DSSI.

IIRC the zyn DSSI port lacks a GUI, or at least it lacks a fully functional
one. Real zyn also lacks a usable GUI IMO so I dumped it years ago for TAL
Noizemaker (and Loomers Aspect) which are good examples of what a GUI synth
should be.


On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen <atte at youmail.dk> wrote:

> On 07/12/2013 12:51 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
>
>  However zynaddsubfx doesn't show up in renoise. I then tried symlinking
>> to /usr/lib/dssi (maybe renoise forgot to look in /usr/local)
>>
>
> Looked in the renoise Log.txt, which shows this:
>
> DSSI: Scanning '/usr/lib/dssi/libzynaddsubfx_**dssi.so'...
> DSSI: Instantiate FAILED (failed to open the DLL file
> '/usr/lib/dssi/libzynaddsubfx_**dssi.so: undefined symbol:
> instance_name')!
>
> A fellow renoise users, tried zyn/dssi under rosegarden and it reports the
> same. So it seems zyn is either not build correctly or not exactly ready
> for prime time as dssi. The later seems strange, though, since there's a
> package in debian (that has too-new dependencies for me to install):
>
> http://packages.debian.org/**search?keywords=zynaddsubfx-**dssi<http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zynaddsubfx-dssi>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> --
> Atte
>
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 13 11:44:10 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:44:10 +0000
Subject: [LAU] maximum input level,
 or normalization and dc offset correction?
In-Reply-To: <1373655543.6087.52.camel@cayenne.local>
References: <CAE8SejFdNv=LBzakAWhVApVO=bikNa9mSKcVjqn19nKL70Ypew@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E04850.7090207@gmail.com>
 <1373655543.6087.52.camel@cayenne.local>
Message-ID: <20130713114410.GB30046@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 02:59:03PM -0400, Bill Gribble wrote:
 
> AFAICT "best practice" with modern equipment is to basically work as if
> you were on an analog console; that is, clipping at no less than +20 dB
> with respect to your "0 dB" working level.  That means you record with
> signals working at RMS around -20dBFS and then you just don't worry
> about clipping unless your signal is truly hugely dynamic, and in that
> case you make allowances as necessary with gain and/or limiting. 

Agreed 100%. With 24 bits you have a lot of headroom, and any
'digital gain' used post-recording won't affect the real S/N
ratio at all. 

A working level of -20 dB RMS FS will preserve the full dynamic
range even if you have to boost the signal later.

A high end preamp/AD such as the RME Micstasy will have a S/N
ratio of around 120 dB maximum when configured for a high level
line input. With typical gain settings for e.g. recording an 
acoustic instrument it will be around 100 dB. Most mic preamps
will give you much less, and we're ignoring mic self noise and
ambient noise. In many cases the latter will determine the real
S/N ratio you can have. If you're recording electronic instruments
they and the DI-box will determine the noise floor. It won't be
near anything that 20 bits can't handle.

Anyway, for music with a restricted dynamic range (that includes
almost everything presented/discussed here) this is completely
academic. You could record the tracks at -40 dB FS and nobody
would notice.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From atte at youmail.dk  Sat Jul 13 12:52:36 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:52:36 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx as dssi
In-Reply-To: <CANOoOjv-mQ+0xsm+Pqsx_RRqa31ZWDvpc_bvQpY1vAv+wXLUvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51DF3704.1020305@youmail.dk> <51E1376A.6010403@youmail.dk>
 <CANOoOjv-mQ+0xsm+Pqsx_RRqa31ZWDvpc_bvQpY1vAv+wXLUvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E14D94.8090708@youmail.dk>

On 07/13/2013 01:35 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote:
> I'm not a renoise user - I know it supports lxvst's but its news to me
> that it supports DSSI.

I got a bit further. It seems that it was a bug that was fixed, build 
from git, and now it runs fine. I cannot access any presets, though :-(

> IIRC the zyn DSSI port lacks a GUI, or at least it lacks a fully
> functional one.Real zyn also lacks a usable GUI IMO so I dumped it
> years ago for TAL Noizemaker (and Loomers Aspect) which are good
> examples of what a GUI synth should be.

I bought aspect, and it's great. There are however sounds that zyn can 
do that you can't make in any other synth...

-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 19:50:28 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:50:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when booting
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, dear folks.

I'm still (constantly) tweaking my raspberry here and there when I
can. I have some configurations/sessions that run ok, Looper
(jack+sooperlooper), Looper+Fx
(jack+sooperlooper+rakarrack/guitarrix). But I'm still having some
annoying problems that wanted to share with you:

1) Simple session script, Looper, runs quite well when launched (via
ssh -X or from console) logged as PI user. When I run it as a
boot/init script (simple launcher script placed in /etc/init.d and
then installed with "update-rc.d launcherscript defaults 99"), almost
in every first start there's crackles and noise and my loops sound
distorted, even with clean guitar; if I restart then it goes well (2nd
or 3d time).

2) Next step forward I added Rakarrack in charge of guitar FX routed
to the Looper. First, it happens almost same thing as mentioned about
noise. Well, I guess It should have something to do with the signal
path and things connected to the same power supplier, so I'll have to
reserve some time to debug and switch off things until I get a cleaner
signal and get rid of the hum and crackles.
But the main issue is that there's problems with Rakarrack not been
able to start because several problems with not enough Jack ports and
Jack and RT. I didn't have any of these problems before.

I got to solve the problem with ports changing -p16 to -p32 when
launching jack+sooperlooper (-p24 is enough for just Rakarrack).

Then I made a launcher script LSB compliant (service script placed in
/etc/init.d and then installed with "update-rc.d servicescript
defaults", with LSB flags and functions for "start" and "stop", as a
proper newer Debian service, and configured to launch last in boot
phase) which then call the Jack-config+Rakarrack+Sooperlooper session
launcher script. I can see on screen in the init messages this error:

   "JACK is running in realtime mode, but you are not allowed to use
realtime schedule..."

But I know RT is already configured, so I guessed it was something to
do with the boot/init stage configuration and environment.
I tried using "su" with several different parameters to run the
launcher script as "pi" user, as It runs quite well when logged as
this user (calling just the script and even with "sudo
/etc/init.d/script start").
So, maybe you can't get RT in init phase on RaspberryPI and you can
only when you get to the login prompt and everything is loaded and
ready. But I think there's a "Puredata on Raspberry PI" project that
runs some scripts in the init stage; and it seems that in order to get
a headless FX+looper station, running some configuration+apps-launcher
at boot time is an obvious choice.

I'm sure something escapes me after so much try-error-code cicles.
Maybe you have some ideas.

Thanks as always.


-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Sat Jul 13 19:59:50 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:59:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when
	booting
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/13/2013 09:50 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
> Hello, dear folks.
> 
> I'm still (constantly) tweaking my raspberry here and there when I 
> can. I have some configurations/sessions that run ok, Looper 
> (jack+sooperlooper), Looper+Fx 
> (jack+sooperlooper+rakarrack/guitarrix). But I'm still having some 
> annoying problems that wanted to share with you:
> 
> 1) Simple session script, Looper, runs quite well when launched
> (via ssh -X or from console) logged as PI user. When I run it as a 
> boot/init script (simple launcher script placed in /etc/init.d and 
> then installed with "update-rc.d launcherscript defaults 99"),
> almost in every first start there's crackles and noise and my loops
> sound distorted, even with clean guitar; if I restart then it goes
> well (2nd or 3d time).
> 

Hi Carlos,

Try resetting the JACK buffersize with jack_bufsize after starting
your program. This does the trick for me on the RPi.

> 2) Next step forward I added Rakarrack in charge of guitar FX
> routed to the Looper. First, it happens almost same thing as
> mentioned about noise. Well, I guess It should have something to do
> with the signal path and things connected to the same power
> supplier, so I'll have to reserve some time to debug and switch off
> things until I get a cleaner signal and get rid of the hum and
> crackles. But the main issue is that there's problems with
> Rakarrack not been able to start because several problems with not
> enough Jack ports and Jack and RT. I didn't have any of these
> problems before.
> 
> I got to solve the problem with ports changing -p16 to -p32 when 
> launching jack+sooperlooper (-p24 is enough for just Rakarrack).
> 
> Then I made a launcher script LSB compliant (service script placed
> in /etc/init.d and then installed with "update-rc.d servicescript 
> defaults", with LSB flags and functions for "start" and "stop", as
> a proper newer Debian service, and configured to launch last in
> boot phase) which then call the Jack-config+Rakarrack+Sooperlooper
> session launcher script. I can see on screen in the init messages
> this error:
> 
> "JACK is running in realtime mode, but you are not allowed to use 
> realtime schedule..."
> 
> But I know RT is already configured, so I guessed it was something
> to do with the boot/init stage configuration and environment. I
> tried using "su" with several different parameters to run the 
> launcher script as "pi" user, as It runs quite well when logged as 
> this user (calling just the script and even with "sudo 
> /etc/init.d/script start"). So, maybe you can't get RT in init
> phase on RaspberryPI and you can only when you get to the login
> prompt and everything is loaded and ready. But I think there's a
> "Puredata on Raspberry PI" project that runs some scripts in the
> init stage; and it seems that in order to get a headless FX+looper
> station, running some configuration+apps-launcher at boot time is
> an obvious choice.
> 
> I'm sure something escapes me after so much try-error-code cicles. 
> Maybe you have some ideas.
> 

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2013-March/091750.html

Regards,

Jeremy

> Thanks as always.
> 
> 

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From atte at youmail.dk  Sun Jul 14 09:44:06 2013
From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:44:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx as dssi
In-Reply-To: <51E14D94.8090708@youmail.dk>
References: <51DF3704.1020305@youmail.dk> <51E1376A.6010403@youmail.dk>
 <CANOoOjv-mQ+0xsm+Pqsx_RRqa31ZWDvpc_bvQpY1vAv+wXLUvg@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E14D94.8090708@youmail.dk>
Message-ID: <51E272E6.9090107@youmail.dk>

On 07/13/2013 02:52 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
> On 07/13/2013 01:35 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote:
>> I'm not a renoise user - I know it supports lxvst's but its news to me
>> that it supports DSSI.
>
> I got a bit further. It seems that it was a bug that was fixed, build
> from git, and now it runs fine. I cannot access any presets, though :-(

src/Misc/Config.cpp:

    if(cfg.bankRootDirList[0].empty()) {
         //banks
         cfg.bankRootDirList[0] = "~/banks";
         cfg.bankRootDirList[1] = "./";
         cfg.bankRootDirList[2] = "/usr/share/zynaddsubfx/banks";
         cfg.bankRootDirList[3] = "/usr/local/share/zynaddsubfx/banks";
         cfg.bankRootDirList[4] = "../banks";
         cfg.bankRootDirList[5] = "banks";
     }

     if(cfg.presetsDirList[0].empty()) {
         //presets
         cfg.presetsDirList[0] = "./";
         cfg.presetsDirList[1] = "../presets";
         cfg.presetsDirList[2] = "presets";
         cfg.presetsDirList[3] = "/usr/share/zynaddsubfx/presets";
         cfg.presetsDirList[4] = "/usr/local/share/zynaddsubfx/presets";
     }



It works if I place the banks in ~/banks. Unfortunately renoise crashes 
whith this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4343030/Log.txt when 
shutting down a song that uses and instance of zynaddsubfx as dssi :-(


-- 
Atte

http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk

From julien at mail.upb.de  Sun Jul 14 19:37:46 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 21:37:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Fixing a MIDI issues
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   this is perghaps not straight on topic, but I couldn't find a satisfactory 
answer anywhere else.
   I'm having trouble with my JV-1080. Only every second note gets played. I 
checked different input devices and different cables, direct and indirect 
connections.
   It seems to be a problem of the Roland itself. Internal sounds, demos and 
the preview button, work fine. Any idea, what this might be? It looks so 
systematic, as if it might be by design, but I don't know any feature, which 
should allow for that.
   Sorry to spam the list and thanks for following me so far.
   Warm regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul 14 20:13:29 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:13:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Fixing a MIDI issues
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <1373832809.665.123.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2013-07-14 at 21:37 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
> I'm having trouble with my JV-1080. Only every second note gets
> played.

What's the setup?

Is it simply master keyboard out to JV-1080 in?

IIUC it's always, exactly "every second" note. What happens, if you send
single controller steps and/or a single controller step and after that a
note etc.? I guess you're playing each note by the same MIDI channel?

Note off might vs Note on velocity 0 and/or a running status issue raise
it's ugly head, IOW if the setup includes some bad programmed stopover
between the master keyboard and the JV-1080, this program might
misinterpret the MIDI data.

You replaced the JV-1080 by another synth for the same setup?

To ensure that there isn't something broken close to the MIDI input's
opto-coupler, what happens, if you play a note and a second note 10
minutes later?





From julien at mail.upb.de  Sun Jul 14 20:29:12 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:29:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Fixing a MIDI issues
In-Reply-To: <1373832809.665.123.camel@archlinux>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
 <1373832809.665.123.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142228310.22389@flower.world.net>

Hello Ralf!
   the problem is solved. didn't the mail reach the list or was it after yo 
replied. Anyway: all is well. But I think you as well for trying to help.
   Warm regards
        Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul 14 20:52:51 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:52:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Fixing a MIDI issues
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142228310.22389@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
 <1373832809.665.123.camel@archlinux>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142228310.22389@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <1373835171.665.144.camel@archlinux>

If somebody should run into the same issue:

"At least I guess you could get  2 or more and use them in stack mode to
get stupidly high polyphony!!!" - http://www.dancecrave.com/jv1080.htm


From mariusjanssen at gmx.de  Sun Jul 14 21:34:08 2013
From: mariusjanssen at gmx.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marius_Jan=DFen?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 23:34:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Fixing a MIDI issues
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <51E31950.3030403@gmx.de>

Am 14.07.2013 21:37, schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hello everyone!
>   this is perghaps not straight on topic, but I couldn't find a 
> satisfactory answer anywhere else.
>   I'm having trouble with my JV-1080. Only every second note gets 
> played. I checked different input devices and different cables, direct 
> and indirect connections.
>   It seems to be a problem of the Roland itself. Internal sounds, 
> demos and the preview button, work fine. Any idea, what this might be? 
> It looks so systematic, as if it might be by design, but I don't know 
> any feature, which should allow for that.
>   Sorry to spam the list and thanks for following me so far.
>   Warm regards
>          Julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
Dear Julien, dear list,

Roland has introduced a feature in the JV-1080 called "stacking" so that 
up to 8 JVs can share incoming MIDI notes.
Every JV-1080 can be told via the front panel how many modules share the 
incoming events
and at which place in the chain it is ( for example the second JV out of 
five or the forth JV out of eight).
Maybe You just turned that mode on accidentally

That means with 3 present Roland JV-1080 the coming MIDI events will be 
played by following order
JV 01 plays Voice 01 ; JV 02 plays Voice 02 ; JV 03 plays Voice 03
JV 01 plays Voice 04 ; JV 02 plays Voice 05 ; JV 03 plays Voice 06
JV 01 plays Voice 07 ; JV 02 plays Voice 08 ; JV 03 plays Voice 09
and so forth.

You can change this mode back to OFF in Performance Mode, Patch Mode and 
GM MIDI Mode.
This might be the same for the three modes, so here it is for the 
Performance Mode

First You have to press SYSTEM key
You can now change the value of 3 settings:
1) Control Channel, usually your MIDI Control Channel of your choice
2) Clock Source, MIDI Tempo clock, either intern or via MIDI
3) Stack, Settings are Off, 1 of 2 up to 8 of 8

I did not find a good computer readable JV1080 pdf manual in German or 
English online to advise you to the right page.
Unfortunately I don't know if a MIDI command exists to change that Stack 
mode.
This would be the easiest way for you to send it from your computer.

I hope my answer was helpful.

Greetings and God bless,

Marius

From althompson58 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 02:55:32 2013
From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:55:32 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Fixing a MIDI issues
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307142135120.22389@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <51E364A4.5030009@gmail.com>

On 07/14/2013 03:37 PM, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>   this is perghaps not straight on topic, but I couldn't find a
> satisfactory answer anywhere else.
>   I'm having trouble with my JV-1080. Only every second note gets
> played. I checked different input devices and different cables, direct
> and indirect connections.
>   It seems to be a problem of the Roland itself. Internal sounds,
> demos and the preview button, work fine. Any idea, what this might be?
> It looks so systematic, as if it might be by design, but I don't know
> any feature, which should allow for that.
>   Sorry to spam the list and thanks for following me so far.
>   Warm regards
>          Julien
 
IIRC, the JV1080 engine has, as one of it's many obscure features, one
which will alternate every other note event on each LR output.  If you
are listening to only the left, for example, you would hear only every
other note

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From grekimj at acousticrefuge.com  Mon Jul 15 10:29:46 2013
From: grekimj at acousticrefuge.com (Grekim Jennings)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:29:46 -0400
Subject: [LAU]  [a bit OT] Vocal microphone
Message-ID: <51E3CF1A.7060405@acousticrefuge.com>

 >Hello!
 > I need to get a vocal microphone. I've had this project several times
 >before, but now I'm decided. There are a couple of alternatives. there 
is the
 >Shure SM5x and there is the SE-220, if my memory doesn't betray me. 
Any more
 >suggestions on the topic? I want to pay around 100-200 EUR maximum. This
 >microphone will be meant solely for singing. No instruments to mic.
 > Warm regards and sorry for the OT again
 > Julien

Hi Julien,
I think it's the Audix OM-6 that I have here. It is nicely built and has 
a lot of clarity,
maybe too much presence in some cases.
Also, check out the Heil PR-20 which I think is a little more neutral 
sounding and less expensive.
And the AKG C700 is a very good value. As with most mics, with a good 
voice it can sound great.

Grekim

From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 12:13:04 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:13:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] My second album is done!
In-Reply-To: <51E06B13.6030404@youmail.dk>
References: <CAL=sEa1MZ0KFa_zNjPsBXUcdQ-GRvUkp7XUp0+puje4itD8fYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAL=sEa1PCajqp+FLCPFw0EZTOWx7G7fbWsx6okFR5u_HgwahuA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes Atte, I was only talking about how I mostly use it, which is just like
a tremolo. But yeah, it has many uses more than the simple tremolo-like
duck-to-the-dance-kick.

Arve: Thank you very much for the comment!

Alexander: Thanks for your excellent sampling libraries. I'm sorry if I
smashed some of the sounds in the drums ;).


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen <atte at youmail.dk> wrote:

> On 07/05/2013 12:20 PM, Gabbe Nord wrote:
>
>> Thinking about it, I think you can achieve more or less the same result
>> by using a bus with a tremolo plugin on. Maybe worth checking out if
>> sidechaining per say does not work!
>>
>
> Depends if the compression is following a fixed pattern (like a
> four-on-the-floor bass drumm) or not.
>
> Done more subtle, it can be a way of letting things like bass drum cut
> through the mix.
>
> --
> Atte
>
> http://atte.dk   http://modlys.dk
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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 12:23:13 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:23:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when
	booting
In-Reply-To: <51E1B1B6.5010609@autostatic.com>
References: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+O6s5z0JmTir=eOCw7uH6rOwnLTfGOVWtUbrc+omoBet7nfyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jeremy,

2013/7/13 Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>:
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> On 07/13/2013 09:50 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
>> Hello, dear folks.
>>
>> I'm still (constantly) tweaking my raspberry here and there when I
>> can. I have some configurations/sessions that run ok, Looper
>> (jack+sooperlooper), Looper+Fx
>> (jack+sooperlooper+rakarrack/guitarrix). But I'm still having some
>> annoying problems that wanted to share with you:
>>
>> 1) Simple session script, Looper, runs quite well when launched
>> (via ssh -X or from console) logged as PI user. When I run it as a
>> boot/init script (simple launcher script placed in /etc/init.d and
>> then installed with "update-rc.d launcherscript defaults 99"),
>> almost in every first start there's crackles and noise and my loops
>> sound distorted, even with clean guitar; if I restart then it goes
>> well (2nd or 3d time).
>>
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> Try resetting the JACK buffersize with jack_bufsize after starting
> your program. This does the trick for me on the RPi.

It seems it did my trick as well, great!
For the moment sound seems to be as clean as it can until the moment I
debug other inner noises (it sounds like that of physical hard drives
turning, but there's none in RPi (?)) when nothing is plugged in the
audio interface.

>
>> 2) Next step forward I added Rakarrack in charge of guitar FX
>> routed to the Looper. First, it happens almost same thing as
>> mentioned about noise. Well, I guess It should have something to do
>> with the signal path and things connected to the same power
>> supplier, so I'll have to reserve some time to debug and switch off
>> things until I get a cleaner signal and get rid of the hum and
>> crackles. But the main issue is that there's problems with
>> Rakarrack not been able to start because several problems with not
>> enough Jack ports and Jack and RT. I didn't have any of these
>> problems before.
>>
>> I got to solve the problem with ports changing -p16 to -p32 when
>> launching jack+sooperlooper (-p24 is enough for just Rakarrack).
>>
>> Then I made a launcher script LSB compliant (service script placed
>> in /etc/init.d and then installed with "update-rc.d servicescript
>> defaults", with LSB flags and functions for "start" and "stop", as
>> a proper newer Debian service, and configured to launch last in
>> boot phase) which then call the Jack-config+Rakarrack+Sooperlooper
>> session launcher script. I can see on screen in the init messages
>> this error:
>>
>> "JACK is running in realtime mode, but you are not allowed to use
>> realtime schedule..."
>>
>> But I know RT is already configured, so I guessed it was something
>> to do with the boot/init stage configuration and environment. I
>> tried using "su" with several different parameters to run the
>> launcher script as "pi" user, as It runs quite well when logged as
>> this user (calling just the script and even with "sudo
>> /etc/init.d/script start"). So, maybe you can't get RT in init
>> phase on RaspberryPI and you can only when you get to the login
>> prompt and everything is loaded and ready. But I think there's a
>> "Puredata on Raspberry PI" project that runs some scripts in the
>> init stage; and it seems that in order to get a headless FX+looper
>> station, running some configuration+apps-launcher at boot time is
>> an obvious choice.
>>
>> I'm sure something escapes me after so much try-error-code cicles.
>> Maybe you have some ideas.
>>
>
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2013-March/091750.html

I implemented just the first part that solution: uncomment the line
"session required pam_limits.so"
in "/etc/pam.d/su".

Now my script and applicacionts run with "pi" user. Great again, Jeremy!

>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
>
>> Thanks as always.
>>
>>

Now, there's just a minimum issue, but I can live with it. Rackarrack
runs now as "pi" user and it should take its configuration from user's
$HOME, that is what it should be "/home/pi", but it seems that it
doesn't.
The difference between running the launcher script when logged in as
pi is that it takes the MIDI mapping configured in preferences, but
when launched automatically on init phase it takes the default MIDI
mapping.

I run the launcher script from the service script with:
    su -l -c $STARTPATH/launcherscript.sh pi

...and "-l" should load the pi environment (I checked it when
debugging). Maybe is something specific with Rakarrack.

Thanks so much, Jeremy.

-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From rennabh at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 13:04:45 2013
From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:04:45 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when
 booting
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130715150445.79aa30b2@gmail.com>

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On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:50:28 +0200
Carlos sanchiavedraz <csanchezgs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, dear folks.
> 
> I'm still (constantly) tweaking my raspberry here and there when I
> can. I have some configurations/sessions that run ok, Looper
> (jack+sooperlooper), Looper+Fx
> (jack+sooperlooper+rakarrack/guitarrix). 

Hi Carlos, just curious - how does the pi manage these loads? I
remember some rakarrack effects being quite CPU intensive... Do you use
it alongside guitarrix or only one at a time? 

I'm considering abandoning my home server project for the pi and
getting back to one of my "ultimate guitar processor with linux"
quests...

cheers
renato
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul 15 13:47:40 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:47:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when
	booting
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5z0JmTir=eOCw7uH6rOwnLTfGOVWtUbrc+omoBet7nfyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CA+O6s5z0JmTir=eOCw7uH6rOwnLTfGOVWtUbrc+omoBet7nfyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/15/2013 02:23 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
> 

[...]

>> Hi Carlos,
>> 
>> Try resetting the JACK buffersize with jack_bufsize after
>> starting your program. This does the trick for me on the RPi.
> 
> It seems it did my trick as well, great! For the moment sound seems
> to be as clean as it can until the moment I debug other inner
> noises (it sounds like that of physical hard drives turning, but
> there's none in RPi (?)) when nothing is plugged in the audio
> interface.
> 

What kind of audio interface are you using? You might have to ground
it properly (assunimg you're using an USB interface):
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/guitarix/index.php?title=Guitarix_Embedded_/_ARM_SoC#Fighting_the_Noise

[...]

> 
> Now, there's just a minimum issue, but I can live with it.
> Rackarrack runs now as "pi" user and it should take its
> configuration from user's $HOME, that is what it should be
> "/home/pi", but it seems that it doesn't. The difference between
> running the launcher script when logged in as pi is that it takes
> the MIDI mapping configured in preferences, but when launched
> automatically on init phase it takes the default MIDI mapping.
> 
> I run the launcher script from the service script with: su -l -c
> $STARTPATH/launcherscript.sh pi
> 
> ...and "-l" should load the pi environment (I checked it when 
> debugging). Maybe is something specific with Rakarrack.
> 
> Thanks so much, Jeremy.
> 

I'm using 'su -l pi -c /some/command' myself but the order shouldn't
matter I guess. Otherwise you could take a look at start-stop-daemon.
Examples can be found in /etc/init.d/skeleton

Jeremy
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From nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it  Tue Jul 16 00:19:44 2013
From: nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it (Nicola)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:19:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] raspberry-qmidinet-synth headless
Message-ID: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it>

Hi all,
now that i have some spare time to invest i was trying to control my RPI
headless with my tablet (nexus 7 with android).
I saw jeremy's video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pycl9Oi1tv8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUby-h1uGg9pj7MyeAEIIf-g
(great job man!) that was so inspiring and i've tried to follow his steps.
I was able to make it work but i miss only 1 piece to the chain...

Is there any possibility to run qmidinet headless without the gui?
I can't make a script at boot working in this way 'cause i disabled X on
my rpi.

Any suggestion?
Thank you
Nicola

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Tue Jul 16 07:08:34 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:08:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] raspberry-qmidinet-synth headless
In-Reply-To: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it>
References: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it>
Message-ID: <51E4F172.3040002@autostatic.com>

On 07/16/2013 02:19 AM, Nicola wrote:
> Hi all,
> now that i have some spare time to invest i was trying to control my RPI
> headless with my tablet (nexus 7 with android).
> I saw jeremy's video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pycl9Oi1tv8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUby-h1uGg9pj7MyeAEIIf-g
> (great job man!) that was so inspiring and i've tried to follow his steps.
> I was able to make it work but i miss only 1 piece to the chain...
> 
> Is there any possibility to run qmidinet headless without the gui?
> I can't make a script at boot working in this way 'cause i disabled X on
> my rpi.
> 
> Any suggestion?
> Thank you
> Nicola

Hi Nicola,

I'm using multimidicast myself, it's in my RPI repository. Example
script here: https://raw.github.com/AutoStatic/scripts/rpi/amsynth-touchdaw

Regards,

Jeremy

From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 16 10:59:05 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:59:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
Message-ID: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>

Hi everybody. My first mail here.
I have a question about send mtc between two different cities over network.
Something like the osx rtp-midi for linux.
I've heard that you can do it with jack, but I?m not sure if it?s only for a lan network.
Just want to know if possible before starting.
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Jul 16 11:07:46 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:07:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>

Hey Nacho!
   There is aseqnet, this is an ALSA utility to connect MIDI over network. I'm 
not sure, how good this is for sweetly synchronised MIDI ports over the net 
for jamming together, but it works and it's small.
   As far as I'm aware, the JACK network driver is only intended for LANs 
nowadays.
   Tipp: If you want to keep your networks secure, you can use an ssh tunnel. 
Search google for something like "tunnel service over ssh", that's how I found 
it. I've tried it and it worked like a treat.
   Warm regards
        Julien

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From nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it  Tue Jul 16 11:43:02 2013
From: nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it (Nicola)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:43:02 +0100
Subject: [LAU] raspberry-qmidinet-synth headless
In-Reply-To: <51E4F172.3040002@autostatic.com>
References: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it> <51E4F172.3040002@autostatic.com>
Message-ID: <51E531C6.4010405@vodafone.it>

On 16/07/13 08:08, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 07/16/2013 02:19 AM, Nicola wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> now that i have some spare time to invest i was trying to control my RPI
>> headless with my tablet (nexus 7 with android).
>> I saw jeremy's video
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pycl9Oi1tv8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUby-h1uGg9pj7MyeAEIIf-g
>> (great job man!) that was so inspiring and i've tried to follow his steps.
>> I was able to make it work but i miss only 1 piece to the chain...
>>
>> Is there any possibility to run qmidinet headless without the gui?
>> I can't make a script at boot working in this way 'cause i disabled X on
>> my rpi.
>>
>> Any suggestion?
>> Thank you
>> Nicola
> Hi Nicola,
>
> I'm using multimidicast myself, it's in my RPI repository. Example
> script here: https://raw.github.com/AutoStatic/scripts/rpi/amsynth-touchdaw

Thank you very much for sharing Jeremy!
I was trying to use qmidinet that automatically associates multicast to alsa and jack midi ports so then you can connect quimidinet out to the soundcard output with jack_connect, pretty easy.
The matter is that it needs an X session to run (at least AFAIK...)
However great script!  

Nicola

>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Tue Jul 16 11:50:07 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:50:07 -0400
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hey Nacho!
>   There is aseqnet, this is an ALSA utility to connect MIDI over network.
> I'm not sure, how good this is for sweetly synchronised MIDI ports over the
> net for jamming together, but it works and it's small.
>   As far as I'm aware, the JACK network driver is only intended for LANs
> nowadays.
>

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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Tue Jul 16 11:51:20 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:51:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] raspberry-qmidinet-synth headless
In-Reply-To: <51E531C6.4010405@vodafone.it>
References: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it> <51E4F172.3040002@autostatic.com>
 <51E531C6.4010405@vodafone.it>
Message-ID: <51E533B8.6050905@autostatic.com>

On 07/16/2013 01:43 PM, Nicola wrote:
> I was trying to use qmidinet that automatically associates multicast to alsa and jack midi ports so then you can connect quimidinet out to the soundcard output with jack_connect, pretty easy.
> The matter is that it needs an X session to run (at least AFAIK...)

Hi Nicola,

multimidicast can do this too. It's a CLI tool so it runs headless. I've
also looked at qmidinet but it can't run without X (unless you use Xvfb).

Jeremy

From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Jul 16 11:54:15 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:54:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>
 <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161353180.7080@flower.world.net>

Hello Paul1
   Did you change it again or was theLAN thing only in either of the twoJACK 
versions? I definitely did want to try and we had to set up a VPN tunnel to 
use the JACK net driver. Maybe I'm just antiquated in my knowledge.
   Best regards
         Julien

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From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 16 13:29:21 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:29:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>,
 <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB119-W31ED1C218D9F1B6ED20BCAA1600@phx.gbl>

Please, what is not correct? aseqnet for mtc over wan networks or JACK only for LAN networks?
Thanks.



Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:50:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [LAU] mtc over network
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com
To: julien at mail.upb.de
CC: nachoen79 at hotmail.com; linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org




On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

Hey Nacho!

  There is aseqnet, this is an ALSA utility to connect MIDI over network. I'm not sure, how good this is for sweetly synchronised MIDI ports over the net for jamming together, but it works and it's small.

  As far as I'm aware, the JACK network driver is only intended for LANs nowadays.

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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Tue Jul 16 13:36:14 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:36:14 -0400
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <DUB119-W31ED1C218D9F1B6ED20BCAA1600@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>
 <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <DUB119-W31ED1C218D9F1B6ED20BCAA1600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKm-eNxDZ43d+ksY+X3Sbk2jQW6kpBrieYh4FiRx9pLPqQ@mail.gmail.com>

personally i think that sending MTC via a WAN is ridiculous, even though it
can be done.

what are you trying to do?


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Please, what is not correct? aseqnet for mtc over wan networks or JACK
> only for LAN networks?
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:50:07 -0400
> Subject: Re: [LAU] mtc over network
> From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com
> To: julien at mail.upb.de
> CC: nachoen79 at hotmail.com; linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>wrote:
>
> Hey Nacho!
>   There is aseqnet, this is an ALSA utility to connect MIDI over network.
> I'm not sure, how good this is for sweetly synchronised MIDI ports over the
> net for jamming together, but it works and it's small.
>   As far as I'm aware, the JACK network driver is only intended for LANs
> nowadays.
>
>
> not correct.
>
>
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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 13:37:08 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:37:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when
	booting
In-Reply-To: <20130715150445.79aa30b2@gmail.com>
References: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130715150445.79aa30b2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5xOoj8ii7zwvdNPOpMXCaPVcKRDVNPz3eOFyUCYMBb4_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Renato,

2013/7/15 Renato <rennabh at gmail.com>:
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> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:50:28 +0200
> Carlos sanchiavedraz <csanchezgs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, dear folks.
>>
>> I'm still (constantly) tweaking my raspberry here and there when I
>> can. I have some configurations/sessions that run ok, Looper
>> (jack+sooperlooper), Looper+Fx
>> (jack+sooperlooper+rakarrack/guitarrix).
>
> Hi Carlos, just curious - how does the pi manage these loads? I
> remember some rakarrack effects being quite CPU intensive... Do you use
> it alongside guitarrix or only one at a time?
>
> I'm considering abandoning my home server project for the pi and
> getting back to one of my "ultimate guitar processor with linux"
> quests...
>
> cheers
> renato
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By now I use Rakarrack standalone (FX), and also connected to
Sooperlooper (FX+looper).

I made some time ago, for a different not-powerful device, preset
which have in its signal path just FX that are let's say "simple":
Compressor, Echo, Chorus, Flanger... No Convolver or the other stereo
versions of those fx. It would be great to have some kind of colored
(red-yellow-green) list of FX by CPU consumption, but for now I just
guess which plugins could RPI handle.

On this preset I chose also Harmonizer, but it turns out that for RPi
and jack with buffer up to 256 the voice generated has noises, so is a
little unusable, and for higher buffer values you start to notice the
delay. I have to try some more to see if I can tweak something (right
now it is selected the minimum quality (4) for Harmonizer in Rakarrack
preferences).



-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 16 13:43:15 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:43:15 +0200
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKm-eNxDZ43d+ksY+X3Sbk2jQW6kpBrieYh4FiRx9pLPqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>,
 <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 <DUB119-W31ED1C218D9F1B6ED20BCAA1600@phx.gbl>,
 <CAFa_cKm-eNxDZ43d+ksY+X3Sbk2jQW6kpBrieYh4FiRx9pLPqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB119-W1835B6F652FE4518D32A27A1600@phx.gbl>

I'm trying to sync a video player on my pc, using the mtc sent from another linux or mac computer. That mtc-computer is on another city. 
Is that possible with linux?


Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:36:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [LAU] mtc over network
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com
To: nachoen79 at hotmail.com
CC: julien at mail.upb.de; linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org

personally i think that sending MTC via a WAN is ridiculous, even though it can be done.

what are you trying to do?


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com> wrote:




Please, what is not correct? aseqnet for mtc over wan networks or JACK only for LAN networks?
Thanks.



Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:50:07 -0400

Subject: Re: [LAU] mtc over network
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com
To: julien at mail.upb.de

CC: nachoen79 at hotmail.com; linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org





On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

Hey Nacho!

  There is aseqnet, this is an ALSA utility to connect MIDI over network. I'm not sure, how good this is for sweetly synchronised MIDI ports over the net for jamming together, but it works and it's small.

  As far as I'm aware, the JACK network driver is only intended for LANs nowadays.

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From len at ovenwerks.net  Tue Jul 16 13:39:53 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:39:53 -0700
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
Message-ID: <cf3c7c74926dce32bfb5b82cb46b678e.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>


On Tue, July 16, 2013 4:54 am, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello Paul1
>    Did you change it again or was theLAN thing only in either of the
> twoJACK
> versions? I definitely did want to try and we had to set up a VPN tunnel
> to
> use the JACK net driver. Maybe I'm just antiquated in my knowledge.

At least one end has to have a "visible" IP. Physical distance of the two
ends affects the latency, as do the switches/routers in the path. The
lowest bandwidth link in the path determines the maximum bandwidth of
information a netjack link deal with. Obviously MTC is low bandwidth, but
MTC without some other information (either a midi or audio stream) is of
limited value :)

-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 13:47:02 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:47:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when
	booting
In-Reply-To: <51E3FD7C.5010701@autostatic.com>
References: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E1B1B6.5010609@autostatic.com>
 <CA+O6s5z0JmTir=eOCw7uH6rOwnLTfGOVWtUbrc+omoBet7nfyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Jeremy,

2013/7/15 Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>:
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> On 07/15/2013 02:23 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>
> [...]
>
>>> Hi Carlos,
>>>
>>> Try resetting the JACK buffersize with jack_bufsize after
>>> starting your program. This does the trick for me on the RPi.
>>
>> It seems it did my trick as well, great! For the moment sound seems
>> to be as clean as it can until the moment I debug other inner
>> noises (it sounds like that of physical hard drives turning, but
>> there's none in RPi (?)) when nothing is plugged in the audio
>> interface.
>>
>
> What kind of audio interface are you using? You might have to ground
> it properly (assunimg you're using an USB interface):
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/guitarix/index.php?title=Guitarix_Embedded_/_ARM_SoC#Fighting_the_Noise
>

What I supposed is exactly what it points in that article:
"noise on the USB power line will feed into the preamplifier of the
audio interface",

or maybe not, but it is probably. But cutting cables and soldering I'm
afraid it's not an option for now; don't want to change my audio
interface into some Frankenterface and break it.
I'll see if I can clean a little bit more without going extremes.

> [...]
>
>>
>> Now, there's just a minimum issue, but I can live with it.
>> Rackarrack runs now as "pi" user and it should take its
>> configuration from user's $HOME, that is what it should be
>> "/home/pi", but it seems that it doesn't. The difference between
>> running the launcher script when logged in as pi is that it takes
>> the MIDI mapping configured in preferences, but when launched
>> automatically on init phase it takes the default MIDI mapping.
>>
>> I run the launcher script from the service script with: su -l -c
>> $STARTPATH/launcherscript.sh pi
>>
>> ...and "-l" should load the pi environment (I checked it when
>> debugging). Maybe is something specific with Rakarrack.
>>
>> Thanks so much, Jeremy.
>>
>
> I'm using 'su -l pi -c /some/command' myself but the order shouldn't
> matter I guess. Otherwise you could take a look at start-stop-daemon.
> Examples can be found in /etc/init.d/skeleton
>
> Jeremy

My service script is based on Debian norms:
http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts

Basically:
* First the config for Run-time dependencies in the format indicated
* Shell methods for start, stop...

On my method start is that command I mentioned:
su -l -c
>> $STARTPATH/launcherscript.sh pi

I've seen that other service run whichever command but preceded by
start-stop-daemon -v, but I'm not sure it makes a difference for this
issue. And since this is not a proper "service" but a launcher at the
very beginning, I didn't use start-stop-daemon.

Thanks again.


-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 13:50:29 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:50:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Raspberry: problems with shell script launcher when
	booting
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5xOoj8ii7zwvdNPOpMXCaPVcKRDVNPz3eOFyUCYMBb4_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O6s5x1XgnBwUOzfGnDYZBV5edVcDYwBNaQnNTLTaQ5Fjze0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130715150445.79aa30b2@gmail.com>
 <CA+O6s5xOoj8ii7zwvdNPOpMXCaPVcKRDVNPz3eOFyUCYMBb4_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5y=r28FcELxSXaabDMwZbh4EESiBrT6-SO94vb7F3dtfQ@mail.gmail.com>

2013/7/16 Carlos sanchiavedraz <csanchezgs at gmail.com>:
> Hi, Renato,
>
> 2013/7/15 Renato <rennabh at gmail.com>:
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>> Carlos sanchiavedraz <csanchezgs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, dear folks.
>>>
>>> I'm still (constantly) tweaking my raspberry here and there when I
>>> can. I have some configurations/sessions that run ok, Looper
>>> (jack+sooperlooper), Looper+Fx
>>> (jack+sooperlooper+rakarrack/guitarrix).
>>
>> Hi Carlos, just curious - how does the pi manage these loads? I
>> remember some rakarrack effects being quite CPU intensive... Do you use
>> it alongside guitarrix or only one at a time?
>>
>> I'm considering abandoning my home server project for the pi and
>> getting back to one of my "ultimate guitar processor with linux"
>> quests...
>>
>> cheers
>> renato
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>
> By now I use Rakarrack standalone (FX), and also connected to
> Sooperlooper (FX+looper).
>
> I made some time ago, for a different not-powerful device, preset
> which have in its signal path just FX that are let's say "simple":
> Compressor, Echo, Chorus, Flanger... No Convolver or the other stereo
> versions of those fx. It would be great to have some kind of colored
> (red-yellow-green) list of FX by CPU consumption, but for now I just
> guess which plugins could RPI handle.
>
> On this preset I chose also Harmonizer, but it turns out that for RPi
> and jack with buffer up to 256 the voice generated has noises, so is a
> little unusable, and for higher buffer values you start to notice the
> delay. I have to try some more to see if I can tweak something (right
> now it is selected the minimum quality (4) for Harmonizer in Rakarrack
> preferences).
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos sanchiavedraz
> * Musix GNU+Linux
>   http://www.musix.es

Arpie works well also. I would be trying FX to see which of them RPi
can/cannot handle. Would love to know you're (Renato and all)
experiences about.

-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From rncbc at rncbc.org  Tue Jul 16 14:49:56 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:49:56 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
Message-ID: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>

hi july ;)

yet another batch of the Vee One Suite of old-school software 
instruments is out: synthv1 [1] polyphonic synthesizer, samplv1 [2] 
polyphonic sampler and drumkv1 [3] drum-kit sampler, this time 
presenting their brand new icons while dropping the lamest 
old-schooler's out, in a master lesson taught by Jarle Richard Akselsen, 
thanks.

all still available in dual form:

- a pure stand-alone JACK client with JACK-session, NSM (Non Session 
management) and both JACK MIDI and ALSA MIDI input support;
- a LV2 instrument plugin.

all free and open-source Linux Audio software, distributed under the 
terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later.

here goes the new triumvirate bunch again:


[1] synthv1 - an old-school polyphonic synthesizer

   synthv1 is an old-school all-digital 4-oscillator subtractive 
polyphonic synthesizer with stereo fx.

   LV2 URI: http://synthv1.sourceforge.net/lv2

   website:
     http://synthv1.sourceforge.net

   downloads:
     http://sourceforge.net/projects/synthv1/files

   - source tarball:
     http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4.tar.gz

   - source package:

http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm

   - binary packages:

http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm

http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm


[2] samplv1 - an old-school polyphonic sampler

   samplv1 is an(other) old-school all-digital polyphonic sampler 
synthesizer with stereo fx.

   LV2 URI: http://samplv1.sourceforge.net/lv2

   website:
     http://samplv1.sourceforge.net

   downloads:
     http://sourceforge.net/projects/samplv1/files

   - source tarball:
     http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4.tar.gz

   - source package:

http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm

   - binary packages:

http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm

http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm


[3] drumkv1 - an old-school drum-kit sampler

   drumkv1 is (yet) an(other) old-school all-digital drum-kit sampler 
synthesizer with stereo fx.

   LV2 URI: http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net/lv2

   website:
     http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net

   downloads:
     http://sourceforge.net/projects/drumkv1/files

   - source tarball:
     http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4.tar.gz

   - source package:

http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4-7.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm

   - binary packages:

http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4-7.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm

http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4-7.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm


see also:
   http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/679


enjoy && summer's ready!
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org

From fede2001 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 16 15:10:52 2013
From: fede2001 at hotmail.com (Federico Lopez)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:10:52 -0500
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKm-eNxDZ43d+ksY+X3Sbk2jQW6kpBrieYh4FiRx9pLPqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>
 <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <DUB119-W31ED1C218D9F1B6ED20BCAA1600@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP340B78B6D943C4155483BCBCE600@phx.gbl>


On 07/16/2013 08:36 AM, Paul Davis wrote:
> personally i think that sending MTC via a WAN is ridiculous, even 
> though it can be done.

Could it be an alternate solution to send MTC from stage to Front of 
house in concerts (typically 30mts) to sync automatization?


cheers,

federico


PD: There is a dedicated hardware solution http://www.midijet.com/



From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Tue Jul 16 15:20:19 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:20:19 -0400
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP340B78B6D943C4155483BCBCE600@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>
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 <DUB119-W31ED1C218D9F1B6ED20BCAA1600@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CAFa_cK=uv8HvQMMhxEkgqVtOHbCXS_Oph4K2YH0ga=VBgOJ4eA@mail.gmail.com>

that isn't a WAN.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Federico Lopez <fede2001 at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> On 07/16/2013 08:36 AM, Paul Davis wrote:
>
>> personally i think that sending MTC via a WAN is ridiculous, even though
>> it can be done.
>>
>
> Could it be an alternate solution to send MTC from stage to Front of house
> in concerts (typically 30mts) to sync automatization?
>
>
> cheers,
>
> federico
>
>
> PD: There is a dedicated hardware solution http://www.midijet.com/
>
>
>
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From fero.kiraly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 15:29:37 2013
From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:29:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 6 x MIDI in
Message-ID: <CAM6dkpXvrWFpRkyPOURQp1AUg95V_ZuNCbCm5e5kqamQuwTunA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

maybe not a linux audio question but I try:

I need 6 MIDI IN ports ( six separate instruments) connect to my system
(presonus 1818vsl)

is there some (cheap) solution ?
thanx

fero
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From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 16 15:40:04 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:40:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] mtc over network
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cK=uv8HvQMMhxEkgqVtOHbCXS_Oph4K2YH0ga=VBgOJ4eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB119-W175A331D611F0F9302BFA7A1600@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161305280.7080@flower.world.net>,
 <CAFa_cKkpP_DMWWM33YVNO7kQAEyBmzn93TugOFn+CEfoO7=e+Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 <DUB119-W31ED1C218D9F1B6ED20BCAA1600@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <DUB119-W32CBF837CC7C29F0F0F76EA1600@phx.gbl>

I understand then that there is nothing similar (not in development) to rtpmidi for linux? What about jack?
When I say something like rtpmidi I'm talking about midi over a wan network.

Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:20:19 -0400
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com
To: fede2001 at hotmail.com
CC: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] mtc over network

that isn't a WAN.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Federico Lopez <fede2001 at hotmail.com> wrote:



On 07/16/2013 08:36 AM, Paul Davis wrote:


personally i think that sending MTC via a WAN is ridiculous, even though it can be done.




Could it be an alternate solution to send MTC from stage to Front of house in concerts (typically 30mts) to sync automatization?





cheers,



federico





PD: There is a dedicated hardware solution http://www.midijet.com/





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From julien at mail.upb.de  Tue Jul 16 16:16:45 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:16:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] 6 x MIDI in
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpXvrWFpRkyPOURQp1AUg95V_ZuNCbCm5e5kqamQuwTunA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpXvrWFpRkyPOURQp1AUg95V_ZuNCbCm5e5kqamQuwTunA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161814100.7080@flower.world.net>

Hello Fero!
   My solution would be to buy as many MIDI -> USB cables and be done with it. 
If your onboard soundcard has one pair of MIDI jacks, then you'd need five 
more. I paid about 10 EUR for one cable. Works out of the box and I have them 
all as separate devices. Very comfortable. If you're in luck a few of your 
instruments might have a direct MIDI connector, those usually work. My Korg 
and the MiniBrute work that way and there was no hassle at all.
   You can of course try a midisport. I don't know how many ports you can get 
with one. I know the 2x2 and the 4x4. Not sure about the prices, but I assume 
not too much.
   Warm regards
         Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From ilitzroth at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 16:30:46 2013
From: ilitzroth at gmail.com (immanuel litzroth)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:30:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 6 x MIDI in
In-Reply-To: <CAM6dkpXvrWFpRkyPOURQp1AUg95V_ZuNCbCm5e5kqamQuwTunA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6dkpXvrWFpRkyPOURQp1AUg95V_ZuNCbCm5e5kqamQuwTunA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJjmLU4zuW317==PJWtXMqFzOgaT45xraZGJX4hSu5EkfbeHjQ@mail.gmail.com>

I use emagic 8x unitor's or amt which can be got cheap second hand if
you''re
on the lookout. Don't know where you're from, I have 2 I'm not using right
now.
Immanuel


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Fero Kiraly <fero.kiraly at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> maybe not a linux audio question but I try:
>
> I need 6 MIDI IN ports ( six separate instruments) connect to my system
> (presonus 1818vsl)
>
> is there some (cheap) solution ?
> thanx
>
> fero
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Tue Jul 16 18:11:19 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:11:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 6 x MIDI in
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161814100.7080@flower.world.net>
References: <CAM6dkpXvrWFpRkyPOURQp1AUg95V_ZuNCbCm5e5kqamQuwTunA@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307161814100.7080@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <op.w0bt45aeqhadp0@suse11-2>

On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:16:45 +0200, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>  
wrote:
> My solution would be to buy as many MIDI -> USB cables and be done with  
> it.

USB does cause MIDI jitter, it might be ok for most people, but I guess it  
should be mentioned. For me it isn't ok, I don't use my USB device, but  
PCI cards instead. However, do you need 8 inputs at the same time? If not,  
I would use a switch box. If you need some inputs only to dump sounds  
etc., than MIDI jitter isn't an issue and USB should be ok for everybody.

From rncbc at rncbc.org  Wed Jul 17 14:24:09 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:24:09 +0100
Subject: [LAU] raspberry-qmidinet-synth headless
In-Reply-To: <51E533B8.6050905@autostatic.com>
References: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it> <51E4F172.3040002@autostatic.com>
 <51E531C6.4010405@vodafone.it> <51E533B8.6050905@autostatic.com>
Message-ID: <51E6A909.70504@rncbc.org>

On 07/16/2013 12:51 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 07/16/2013 01:43 PM, Nicola wrote:
>> I was trying to use qmidinet that automatically associates multicast to alsa and jack midi ports so then you can connect quimidinet out to the soundcard output with jack_connect, pretty easy.
>> The matter is that it needs an X session to run (at least AFAIK...)
>
> Hi Nicola,
>
> multimidicast can do this too. It's a CLI tool so it runs headless. I've
> also looked at qmidinet but it can't run without X (unless you use Xvfb).
>

sorry to come this late.

yes, multimidicast can do the trick of course. however it doesn't deal 
with sysex at all and it's alsa-midi (aka. alsa-seq) only.

if enough demand, i'm sure it won't be that hard to have a gui-less 
version of qmidinet

might be just one nice and really easy summer/week-end/one-night-stand 
coding project... ;)

any takers?
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org


From nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it  Wed Jul 17 23:01:27 2013
From: nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it (Nicola)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:01:27 +0100
Subject: [LAU] raspberry-qmidinet-synth headless
In-Reply-To: <51E6A909.70504@rncbc.org>
References: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it> <51E4F172.3040002@autostatic.com>
 <51E531C6.4010405@vodafone.it> <51E533B8.6050905@autostatic.com>
 <51E6A909.70504@rncbc.org>
Message-ID: <51E72247.6030903@vodafone.it>

On 17/07/13 15:24, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
> On 07/16/2013 12:51 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>> On 07/16/2013 01:43 PM, Nicola wrote:
>>> I was trying to use qmidinet that automatically associates multicast
>>> to alsa and jack midi ports so then you can connect quimidinet out
>>> to the soundcard output with jack_connect, pretty easy.
>>> The matter is that it needs an X session to run (at least AFAIK...)
>>
>> Hi Nicola,
>>
>> multimidicast can do this too. It's a CLI tool so it runs headless. I've
>> also looked at qmidinet but it can't run without X (unless you use
>> Xvfb).
>>
>
> sorry to come this late.
>
> yes, multimidicast can do the trick of course. however it doesn't deal
> with sysex at all and it's alsa-midi (aka. alsa-seq) only.
>
> if enough demand, i'm sure it won't be that hard to have a gui-less
> version of qmidinet
>
> might be just one nice and really easy summer/week-end/one-night-stand
> coding project... ;)
>
> any takers?
Hello Rui,

Thanks for your interest, that would be a great feature.
I'm not a developer myself and i don't know if i can help so much.
I usually make some bash script and that's all...but if there's anything
else i can do to help(donation:-) ), i'm here.

Regards
Nicola

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Thu Jul 18 07:07:48 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:07:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] raspberry-qmidinet-synth headless
In-Reply-To: <51E72247.6030903@vodafone.it>
References: <51E491A0.1080309@vodafone.it> <51E4F172.3040002@autostatic.com>
 <51E531C6.4010405@vodafone.it> <51E533B8.6050905@autostatic.com>
 <51E6A909.70504@rncbc.org> <51E72247.6030903@vodafone.it>
Message-ID: <51E79444.4060308@autostatic.com>

On 07/18/2013 01:01 AM, Nicola wrote:
> On 17/07/13 15:24, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
>> On 07/16/2013 12:51 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>>> On 07/16/2013 01:43 PM, Nicola wrote:
>>>> I was trying to use qmidinet that automatically associates multicast
>>>> to alsa and jack midi ports so then you can connect quimidinet out
>>>> to the soundcard output with jack_connect, pretty easy.
>>>> The matter is that it needs an X session to run (at least AFAIK...)
>>>
>>> Hi Nicola,
>>>
>>> multimidicast can do this too. It's a CLI tool so it runs headless. I've
>>> also looked at qmidinet but it can't run without X (unless you use
>>> Xvfb).
>>>
>>
>> sorry to come this late.
>>
>> yes, multimidicast can do the trick of course. however it doesn't deal
>> with sysex at all and it's alsa-midi (aka. alsa-seq) only.
>>
>> if enough demand, i'm sure it won't be that hard to have a gui-less
>> version of qmidinet
>>
>> might be just one nice and really easy summer/week-end/one-night-stand
>> coding project... ;)
>>
>> any takers?
> Hello Rui,
> 
> Thanks for your interest, that would be a great feature.
> I'm not a developer myself and i don't know if i can help so much.
> I usually make some bash script and that's all...but if there's anything
> else i can do to help(donation:-) ), i'm here.
> 
> Regards
> Nicola

I'd be interested too as multimidicast only does ALSA MIDI and no JACK MIDI.

Jeremy

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From neilcsmith.net at googlemail.com  Thu Jul 18 11:39:08 2013
From: neilcsmith.net at googlemail.com (Neil C Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:39:08 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Announcing praxislive.org
Message-ID: <CAHvRSodypV_166g7BBM06VfixDMrsbkung8NsN_o5yUAWmcySg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I finally got around to giving Praxis LIVE its own home on the web
this week.  There's a lot more to come in the near future in terms of
help and resources, but this should hopefully give a better overview
of what the project's all about.

www.praxislive.org

Praxis LIVE is an open-source, graphical environment for rapid
development of intermedia performance tools, projections and
interactive spaces.

This replaces and enhances the somewhat outdated information on the
Google Code site.  Downloads and code are still hosted there, though
I'll be looking to host downloads elsewhere in the near future now
Google has deprecated this.

Thoughts and / or contributions to the further development of the
project and its online resources very much appreciated.

Thanks to whoever mentioned Praxis LIVE on the open-source musician
podcast last month - your slight confusion over what it was for was
one of a number of factors that prompted the development of this
website! :-)

Best wishes,

Neil

--
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - open-source intermedia development - www.praxislive.org
Digital Prisoners - interactive spaces and projections -
www.digitalprisoners.co.uk
OpenEye - the web, managed - www.openeye.info

From neilcsmith.net at googlemail.com  Thu Jul 18 12:03:10 2013
From: neilcsmith.net at googlemail.com (Neil C Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 13:03:10 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Music(?) made with Linux: Meeting Point
Message-ID: <CAHvRSoeOoK5N8Hr-50W92rB3vHLjxHOZZTDQ=MeXp4WSrf0vTg@mail.gmail.com>

Well, as well as improving the web presence for Praxis LIVE this week
(see t'other thread), I've also recently built a website for Digital
Prisoners.

All our projects are created with Praxis LIVE on Linux.  However, I
thought I'd share this page and video of Meeting Point from earlier
this year - an interactive projection that allow 2 people at opposite
ends of a public square to dance "together".  Audio and visuals are
being processed live - a mix of generative and motion triggered
effects.

Input loops / samples are a mix of stuff.  Mostly created and/or
edited on Linux, a couple of things off FreeSound, and at least one
loop was created a long time ago on an Acorn A5000 (now that's a
computer! :-) )

http://www.digitalprisoners.co.uk/projects/meeting-point
http://youtu.be/lXLmhCwWSNw

Enjoy!

Best wishes,

Neil

--
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - open-source intermedia development - www.praxislive.org
Digital Prisoners - interactive spaces and projections -
www.digitalprisoners.co.uk
OpenEye - the web, managed - www.openeye.info

From rncbc at rncbc.org  Thu Jul 18 15:32:44 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:32:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.10 - The Kilo Papa is out
Message-ID: <51E80A9C.8090402@rncbc.org>


Nothing much to say...
but anything goes, as long it goes before the proverbial midsummer 
meltdown...
whatever:)

   Qtractor 0.5.10 (kilo papa) is out!


Release highlights:

* Edit/Insert, Remove range options (NEW)
* LV2 Dyn-manifest support (NEW)
* Time, frames, BBT display option in-place menu (NEW)
* Audio export track automation (FIX)
* Clip/event selection clear/reset (FIX)


Website:
   http://qtractor.sourceforge.net


Project page:
   http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor


Downloads:
   http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor/files

- source tarball:
   http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.10.tar.gz

- source package (openSUSE 12.3):
 
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.10-7.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm

- binary packages (openSUSE 12.3):
 
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.10-7.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm
 
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.10-7.rncbc.suse123.x86_64.rpm

- quick start guide & user manual:
   http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.x-user-manual.pdf


Weblog (upstream support):
   http://www.rncbc.org


License:
   Qtractor is free, open-source software, distributed under the terms 
of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later.


Change-log:

- Default drum-key note names are now properly showing on MIDI tracks 
that are assigned to known drum/percussive instrument patches (eg. 
SoundFont 2 (.sf2) bank 128).
- Time display format (frames, clock-time or BBT) may now be changed 
from the context-menu on any time entry spin-box.
- LV2 plugin support is now tightly tied to liblilv; the same tie 
applies to LV2 plugin UI support and libsuil and vice-versa.
- Mixer buses racks (ie. left/input and right/output panes) are now both 
kept fixed-width when whole mixer window is resized.
- Unconditional LV2 Dyn(amic)-manifest support has been added.
- Main track-view Edit/Insert,Remove/Range dialog is now being 
introduced with optional applicability to Clips, Loop, Punch in/out, 
Automation, Tempo-map and/or Markers.
- New range removal editing tool, split/moving clips backward at the 
specified edit-head/tail interval (Edit/Remove/Range, Track Range)--by 
Tuomas Airaksinen, thanks.
- Andy Fitzsimon's original icon from opencliparts.org makes it through 
as the default standard scalable format (SVG).
- Automation's back in effect on Track/Export Tracks.../Audio.
- Reversed shift/ctrl keyboard modifier roles on middle-button clicking 
over the main track and MIDI clip editor views (aka. piano-roll) in 
regression to original old semantics.
- Color selection actions now have a brand new palette icon.
- Make sure main track-view and MIDI clip editor selection is only 
cleared on specific discrete commands.
- Try keeping the original session file in most recent files menu list, 
despite current version auto-incremental backup mode is in effect.
- Fixed non-zero clip offsets upon tempo/time-scale changes.
- Some sympathy to extreme dark color (read black) schemes is now 
indulged on empty backgrounds.


See also:
   http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/680


Enjoy && have (lots of) fun.
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org

From andreas.degert at googlemail.com  Thu Jul 18 21:29:13 2013
From: andreas.degert at googlemail.com (Andreas Degert)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 23:29:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Guitarix 0.28.0 released
Message-ID: <CAHccUr+YhODRR5CE8ZOwuXuASYidno7UV=-oXyU3zcVJ_TkELQ@mail.gmail.com>

The Guitarix developers proudly present

Guitarix release 0.28.0 "magic chainsaw trick" *)

Yes, we took a chainsaw, cut through the chest of Guitarix,
and... it's still alive. But now it's also 2 pieces. You can
start it (headless) on an embedded ARM system. You can start
it on your laptop and connect the user interface the the headless
instance. You can even tap on your smartphone and control
Guitarix with the web browser (or just use the tuner).

For the uninitiated, Guitarix is a tube amplifier simulation for
jack, with effect modules and an additional stereo effect chain.

Please refer to our project page for more information:
    http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/

Download Site:
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/guitarix/

Forum:
    http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/forum/

Embedded Guitarix Prototype:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/guitarix/index.php?title=Guitarix_Embedded_/_ARM_SoC

Please consider visiting our forum or leaving a message on
guitarix-developer at lists.sourceforge.net if you plan to work with
embedded Guitarix.

List of changes:

 * new french translation contributed by Bajo
 * new MultiBandCompressor contributed by kokoko3k
 * new include BestPlugins IR-Packs I-III by David Fau Casquel
 * new DigitalDelay Effect module
 * the Guitarix LV2 plugins are now in the default build
   (but you can configure the build with --no-lv2)
 * Optimizations for embedded systems / ARM processors with NEON
   * --faust-vectorize-float, --convolver-ffmpeg
 * Guitarix headless mode for embedded systems (no X11 / user Interface)
   * network socket based service for controlling / connecting a user
interface
   * service announcement via Avahi, if available
   * command line options --rpchost, --rpcport, --nogui
   * the service can be started in addition to the "local" user interface
 * Guitarix can now be used as a user interface connecting to a remote
instance
   * no configuration needed if Avahi is available
   * command line options --onlygui, --rpchost, --rpcport
   * multiple user interface clients can be started
     (the displays keep synchronized)
  * Browser-based user interface (javascript code)
    * cross platform
    * usable on small devices like smartphones, and in conjunction
      with an embedded device
    * some features still missing (no MIDI controller connections,
      no presets for single effect units, no polished appearance)
    * small additional server needed (included), to translate between the
socket
      based interface and WebSockets, which is what (modern) browsers
understand
    * only recent browsers supported, testers needed
    * released in a separate tarfile

*) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPTHdwqG9rw
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 11:17:00 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:17:00 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
Message-ID: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Its my pleasure to announce the release of Fabla!

After 8 days we have reached the target donation amount, many thanks to all
those who contributed!

Available here: http://openavproductions.com/fabla

Cheers! -Harry
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From perodog at gmx.net  Fri Jul 19 16:19:07 2013
From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:19:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>

On 19.07.2013 13:17, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Its my pleasure to announce the release of Fabla!
>
> After 8 days we have reached the target donation amount, many thanks 
> to all those who contributed!
>
> Available here: http://openavproductions.com/fabla
>
> Cheers! -Harry
>
hallo harry,

i tried to compile fabla, but there is an error:

nowhiskey at murija7:~/Desktop/src/openAV-Fabla$ make
mkdir -p fabla.lv2/
g++ gui/ui_helpers.cxx gui/fabla.cxx gui/fabla_ui.c -pthread 
-D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_GNU_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/sigc++-2.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/pixman-1 
-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/cairomm-1.0 -I/usr/lib/cairomm-1.0/include 
-I/usr/include/ntk -g -Wall -lsndfile -lcairomm-1.0 -lsigc-2.0 
-lntk_images -lntk -lcairo -fPIC -shared -Wl,-z,nodelete -o 
fabla.lv2/fabla_ui.so
gui/fabla_ui.c:473:14: error: ?LV2UI_Idle_Interface? does not name a type
gui/fabla_ui.c: In function ?const void* extension_data(const char*)?:
gui/fabla_ui.c:479:20: error: ?LV2_UI__idleInterface? was not declared 
in this scope
gui/fabla_ui.c:481:13: error: ?idle_iface? was not declared in this scope
gui/fabla_ui.c: At global scope:
gui/fabla_ui.c:465:12: warning: ?int idle(LV2UI_Handle)? defined but not 
used [-Wunused-function]
make: *** [fabla.lv2/fabla_ui.so] Fehler 1
nowhiskey at murija7:~/Desktop/src/openAV-Fabla$

i have no idea, what it is meaning....

cheers,

doc

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 16:40:59 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:40:59 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbNO8J9b+6bZi0LaqjYxgHb2ua2xWvJkZex2jFt0xwWb+A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Dragan Noveski <perodog at gmx.net> wrote:

> i tried to compile fabla, but there is an error:
>
Lets fix this on the Issues page of Fabla:
https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues

i have no idea, what it is meaning....
>
I've created an issue for this error, see solution available on the page
too.
 https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues/1

Cheers, -Harry
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From lists at quirq.net  Fri Jul 19 18:24:52 2013
From: lists at quirq.net (Q)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:24:52 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E98474.20107@quirq.net>

On 19/07/13 12:17, Harry van Haaren wrote:
>
> Or if its crafty beat programming your after that?s cool too! 
>

That should be "Or if it's crafty beat programming you're after..."

Q


From jeremy at autostatic.com  Fri Jul 19 19:23:05 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:23:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E99219.5070205@autostatic.com>

On 07/19/2013 01:17 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Its my pleasure to announce the release of Fabla!
> 
> After 8 days we have reached the target donation amount, many thanks to all
> those who contributed!
> 
> Available here: http://openavproductions.com/fabla
> 
> Cheers! -Harry

Harry, under what license did you release Fabla?

Jeremy


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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Fri Jul 19 19:23:56 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:23:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E9924C.9050107@autostatic.com>

On 07/19/2013 01:17 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Its my pleasure to announce the release of Fabla!
> 
> After 8 days we have reached the target donation amount, many thanks to all
> those who contributed!
> 
> Available here: http://openavproductions.com/fabla
> 
> Cheers! -Harry
> 


License is GPL2+, never mind.

Jeremy




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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 19 20:37:29 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:37:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbNO8J9b+6bZi0LaqjYxgHb2ua2xWvJkZex2jFt0xwWb+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>
 <CAKudYbNO8J9b+6bZi0LaqjYxgHb2ua2xWvJkZex2jFt0xwWb+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1374266249.2343.7.camel@archlinux>

Hi Harry,

it does build on Arch 64-bit, but there's no GUI if I run it by the
script or with Qtractor as host. FWIW Sourcer does run with a GUI, but I
didn't test if it really does work. The Fabla window is transparent.

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 17:40 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
>  https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues/1

[rocketmouse at archlinux openAV-Fabla]$ pacman -Q jalv ntk-git cairo cairomm libsndfile lv2-svn
jalv 1.4.0-1
ntk-git 1:81f41f5-1
cairo 1.12.14-4
cairomm 1.10.0-3
libsndfile 1.0.25-2
lv2-svn 882-1
[rocketmouse at archlinux openAV-Fabla]$ ./run.sh
Plugin:       http://www.openavproductions.com/fabla
UI:           http://www.openavproductions.com/fabla/gui
JACK Name:    Fabla
Block length: 256 frames
MIDI buffers: 32768 bytes
Comm buffers: 131072 bytes
Update rate:  2 Hz

volume               = 0.750000
compressor_attack    = 0.150000
compressor_decay     = 0.300000
compressor_threshold = 0.500000
compressor_ratio     = 0.500000
compressor_makeup    = 0.500000
compressor_enable    = 0.000000
pad_gain_1           = 0.500000
pad_gain_2           = 0.500000
pad_gain_3           = 0.500000
pad_gain_4           = 0.500000
pad_gain_5           = 0.500000
pad_gain_6           = 0.500000
pad_gain_7           = 0.500000
pad_gain_8           = 0.500000
pad_gain_9           = 0.500000
pad_gain_10          = 0.500000
pad_gain_11          = 0.500000
pad_gain_12          = 0.500000
pad_gain_13          = 0.500000
pad_gain_14          = 0.500000
pad_gain_15          = 0.500000
pad_gain_16          = 0.500000
pad_speed_1          = 0.500000
pad_speed_2          = 0.500000
pad_speed_3          = 0.500000
pad_speed_4          = 0.500000
pad_speed_5          = 0.500000
pad_speed_6          = 0.500000
pad_speed_7          = 0.500000
pad_speed_8          = 0.500000
pad_speed_9          = 0.500000
pad_speed_10         = 0.500000
pad_speed_11         = 0.500000
pad_speed_12         = 0.500000
pad_speed_13         = 0.500000
pad_speed_14         = 0.500000
pad_speed_15         = 0.500000
pad_speed_16         = 0.500000
pad_pan_1            = 0.500000
pad_pan_2            = 0.500000
pad_pan_3            = 0.500000
pad_pan_4            = 0.500000
pad_pan_5            = 0.500000
pad_pan_6            = 0.500000
pad_pan_7            = 0.500000
pad_pan_8            = 0.500000
pad_pan_9            = 0.500000
pad_pan_10           = 0.500000
pad_pan_11           = 0.500000
pad_pan_12           = 0.500000
pad_pan_13           = 0.500000
pad_pan_14           = 0.500000
pad_pan_15           = 0.500000
pad_pan_16           = 0.500000
pad_attack_1         = 0.000000
pad_attack_2         = 0.000000
pad_attack_3         = 0.000000
pad_attack_4         = 0.000000
pad_attack_5         = 0.000000
pad_attack_6         = 0.000000
pad_attack_7         = 0.000000
pad_attack_8         = 0.000000
pad_attack_9         = 0.000000
pad_attack_10        = 0.000000
pad_attack_11        = 0.000000
pad_attack_12        = 0.000000
pad_attack_13        = 0.000000
pad_attack_14        = 0.000000
pad_attack_15        = 0.000000
pad_attack_16        = 0.000000
pad_decay_1          = 0.500000
pad_decay_2          = 0.500000
pad_decay_3          = 0.500000
pad_decay_4          = 0.500000
pad_decay_5          = 0.500000
pad_decay_6          = 0.500000
pad_decay_7          = 0.500000
pad_decay_8          = 0.500000
pad_decay_9          = 0.500000
pad_decay_10         = 0.500000
pad_decay_11         = 0.500000
pad_decay_12         = 0.500000
pad_decay_13         = 0.500000
pad_decay_14         = 0.500000
pad_decay_15         = 0.500000
pad_decay_16         = 0.500000
pad_sustain_1        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_2        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_3        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_4        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_5        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_6        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_7        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_8        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_9        = 1.000000
pad_sustain_10       = 1.000000
pad_sustain_11       = 1.000000
pad_sustain_12       = 1.000000
pad_sustain_13       = 1.000000
pad_sustain_14       = 1.000000
pad_sustain_15       = 1.000000
pad_sustain_16       = 1.000000
pad_release_1        = 0.500000
pad_release_2        = 0.500000
pad_release_3        = 0.500000
pad_release_4        = 0.500000
pad_release_5        = 0.500000
pad_release_6        = 0.500000
pad_release_7        = 0.500000
pad_release_8        = 0.500000
pad_release_9        = 0.500000
pad_release_10       = 0.500000
pad_release_11       = 0.500000
pad_release_12       = 0.500000
pad_release_13       = 0.500000
pad_release_14       = 0.500000
pad_release_15       = 0.500000
pad_release_16       = 0.500000
JackEngine::XRun: client = Fabla was not finished, state = Running
JackAudioDriver::ProcessGraphAsyncMaster: Process error

Regards,
Ralf



From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 21:33:23 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:33:23 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <1374266249.2343.7.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKudYbM+6fijXYAoxXs9jgi66UZL17=F1Z=JqAWUk5=Nii+M2w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

> it does build on Arch 64-bit, but there's no GUI if I run it by the
> script or with Qtractor as host. FWIW Sourcer does run with a GUI, but I
>
Sorcer uses GTK, Fabla uses NTK, hence the difference.


> On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 17:40 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> >  https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues/1
>

Please file an issue for this, although it seems you need to update your
Jalv install.

Cheers, -Harry
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 19 22:44:51 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:44:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbM+6fijXYAoxXs9jgi66UZL17=F1Z=JqAWUk5=Nii+M2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>
 <CAKudYbNO8J9b+6bZi0LaqjYxgHb2ua2xWvJkZex2jFt0xwWb+A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1374273891.7169.19.camel@archlinux>

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 22:33 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>         it does build on Arch 64-bit, but there's no GUI if I run it
>         by the
>         script or with Qtractor as host. FWIW Sourcer does run with a
>         GUI, but I
> Sorcer uses GTK, Fabla uses NTK, hence the difference.
> 
>  
>         On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 17:40 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
>         >  https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues/1
> 
> 
> Please file an issue for this, although it seems you need to update
> your Jalv install.

Thank you,

while you replied I rebuild ntk and then noticed it already was up to
date :D.

$ git log --pretty=format:"%h - %an, %ar : %s"
81f41f5 - Jonathan Moore Liles, 6 days ago : Fl_Choice: Respect specified boxtypes. Also get rid of old 'scheme'
[snip]
$ svn co http://svn.drobilla.net/lad/trunk/jalv jalv
[snip]
Checked out revision 5144.
$ yaourt -S jalv-svn
[snip]

I get "error: target not found: lv2-ui-resize" for the AUR default
pkgver=3882 and also if I edit it to 5144.

I've got no time to continue now and to file an issue I need to sign up :(.
I have to delay this, perhaps I can do it tomorrow or next week. I'm in passing now, sorry.

Googling for lv2-ui-resize does show that the AUR package is missing, so
I have to file an issue there too.

Regards,
Ralf



From marc at hacklava.net  Fri Jul 19 23:14:20 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:14:20 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
Message-ID: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>

Good evening LAU.
This is my first post to the list.

For some reason, zita-j2a 0.2.2 is silent on my laptop. I tried it
with the built-in sound card and also with a USB module (both are
16bit/48KHz). I started jackd with the alsa and the dummy backends,
without success. I even recompiled zita-j2a. What could be the cause?

Thanks in advance.
--
Marc

From marc at hacklava.net  Sat Jul 20 02:33:26 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:33:26 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>


Hi Len.

I would like to use jackd in 32bit (or is it 24bit, or float?) but
output in 16bit (resampled with zita-j2a). This is to play 24bit files
with the best possible quality when using multiple 16bit sound cards or
USB modules.

When starting jackd normally (with the alsa backend and a 16bit sound
card), mplayer output is 16bit (that's not what I want).

When starting jackd with the dummy backend, or the alsa backend
connected to a loop device, jackd works in 32bit float and mplayer
output is floatle; jackd doesn't report sync problems and mplayer just
plays the file. Then I connect the floatle output of mplayer to
zita-j2a, there's no sound. Even when starting jackd with the
internal sound card, zita-j2a stays silent.

--
Marc


Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.org> a ?crit :
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
> 
> > For some reason, zita-j2a 0.2.2 is silent on my laptop. I tried it
> > with the built-in sound card and also with a USB module (both are
> > 16bit/48KHz). I started jackd with the alsa and the dummy backends,
> > without success. I even recompiled zita-j2a. What could be the
> > cause?
> 
> Dummy back end? Jackd has to be synced to something. Normally, the
> use for zita-a2j is to add a second audio card. So jackd must first
> be connaected to a first card.
> 
> Len


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 20 07:54:21 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:54:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbM+6fijXYAoxXs9jgi66UZL17=F1Z=JqAWUk5=Nii+M2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>
 <CAKudYbNO8J9b+6bZi0LaqjYxgHb2ua2xWvJkZex2jFt0xwWb+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1374266249.2343.7.camel@archlinux>
 <CAKudYbM+6fijXYAoxXs9jgi66UZL17=F1Z=JqAWUk5=Nii+M2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1374306861.1212.9.camel@archlinux>



On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 22:33 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> Please file an issue for this, although it seems you need to update
> your Jalv install.

https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues/2
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/jalv-svn/







From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 08:52:41 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:52:41 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenAV Fabla
In-Reply-To: <1374306861.1212.9.camel@archlinux>
References: <CAKudYbNFNMZbXp=N76eHKmhAbL4AXBB-RRtrCVSL7s95d7viVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <51E966FB.8080403@gmx.net>
 <CAKudYbNO8J9b+6bZi0LaqjYxgHb2ua2xWvJkZex2jFt0xwWb+A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1374266249.2343.7.camel@archlinux>
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On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>wrote:

> https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-Fabla/issues/2
>

Updates and fixing will take place on the github page, I've pushed a commit
and a note.
Activity on the issue is emailed to me directly, so I'll be notified if
anybody responds.

I'm looking into what causes this issue, -Harry
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 20 11:42:13 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 11:42:13 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <20130720114213.GA11334@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:14:20PM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
 
> For some reason, zita-j2a 0.2.2 is silent on my laptop. I tried it
> with the built-in sound card and also with a USB module (both are
> 16bit/48KHz). I started jackd with the alsa and the dummy backends,
> without success. I even recompiled zita-j2a. What could be the cause?

First of all, what are you trying to achieve ?
Zita-j2a is normally used to add a playback alsa device to Jack.
For example, if you use Jack with the internal soundcard, then
starting zita-j2a with the USB card will add the outputs of the
USB card to jack, you can then play via both cards at the same
time.

Second, if you want help you need to provide a bit more information.
What are the commands you use to start jack and zita-j2a ? 
What is the output (using the -v option) of zita-j2a ?
etc. etc.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 20 11:47:43 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 11:47:43 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:33:26PM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:

> I would like to use jackd in 32bit (or is it 24bit, or float?) but
> output in 16bit (resampled with zita-j2a). This is to play 24bit files
> with the best possible quality when using multiple 16bit sound cards or
> USB modules.

If you use mplayer with jack output (-ao jack) then it will 
*always* output in floating point format because that is the
only format that Jack accepts. And mplayer does not know which
soundcard Jack is using. Which means that 

> When starting jackd normally (with the alsa backend and a 16bit sound
> card), mplayer output is 16bit (that's not what I want).

can't be true.

As said, Jack is *always* using floating point. It will convert
the playback channels to whatever the sound card can handle.

Ciao,


-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From marc at hacklava.net  Sat Jul 20 13:36:22 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:36:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
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Message-ID: <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>

Bonjour Fons.

Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> a ?crit :
> First of all, what are you trying to achieve ?

I don't want to use "depth down-sampled" channels with ambdec.

> Zita-j2a is normally used to add a playback alsa device to Jack.
> For example, if you use Jack with the internal soundcard, then
> starting zita-j2a with the USB card will add the outputs of the
> USB card to jack, you can then play via both cards at the same time.

As I wrote, zita-j2a stays silent when using it as you explained.

> As said, Jack is *always* using floating point. 

Excellent!

But when running jackd with my 16bit USB module, Mplayer is converting
its output to 16bit. When running Jack with a 24bit sound card or the
aloop device, Mplayer's output is floatle (as expected), even when
forcing Jack to run in 16bit with the "--short" option.

Another problem: when starting Jack with a 2 channels sound card,
Mplayer can't output more than 2 channels. 

So I suppose that Mplayer is misbehaving.

> It will convert the playback channels to whatever the sound card can
> handle.

So far, no sound is coming out of zita-j2a.
Here's how I started it:
zita-j2a -v -d hw:2 -c 8
playback :
  nchan  : 8
  fsamp  : 48000
  fsize  : 256
  nfrag  : 2
  format : S16_LE
capture  : not enabled
Starting synchronisation.

Tchao
--
Marc

From marc at hacklava.net  Sat Jul 20 14:08:03 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:08:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>


Update:

I have no idea why MPlayer now work as expected (with floatle outputs) 
when starting Jack with my 16 bit USB module:
jackd -r -d alsa -d hw:2 -P -o 8 -z shaped

Although it would have been nice to use zita-j2a for resampling...
What was the problem then? I hope it's not intermittent,
and that it's not only related to the device between my ears. :)

Then I tried to add the 2 channels internal sound device:
zita-j2a -v -d hw:1
(no sound)
zita-j2a -v -d hw:1 -L
(no sound)

Salut
--
Marc

I wrote:
> Bonjour Fons.
> 
> Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> a ?crit :
> > First of all, what are you trying to achieve ?
> 
> I don't want to use "depth down-sampled" channels with ambdec.
> 
> > Zita-j2a is normally used to add a playback alsa device to Jack.
> > For example, if you use Jack with the internal soundcard, then
> > starting zita-j2a with the USB card will add the outputs of the
> > USB card to jack, you can then play via both cards at the same time.
> 
> As I wrote, zita-j2a stays silent when using it as you explained.
> 
> > As said, Jack is *always* using floating point. 
> 
> Excellent!
> 
> But when running jackd with my 16bit USB module, Mplayer is converting
> its output to 16bit. When running Jack with a 24bit sound card or the
> aloop device, Mplayer's output is floatle (as expected), even when
> forcing Jack to run in 16bit with the "--short" option.
> 
> Another problem: when starting Jack with a 2 channels sound card,
> Mplayer can't output more than 2 channels. 
> 
> So I suppose that Mplayer is misbehaving.
> 
> > It will convert the playback channels to whatever the sound card can
> > handle.
> 
> So far, no sound is coming out of zita-j2a.
> Here's how I started it:
> zita-j2a -v -d hw:2 -c 8
> playback :
>   nchan  : 8
>   fsamp  : 48000
>   fsize  : 256
>   nfrag  : 2
>   format : S16_LE
> capture  : not enabled
> Starting synchronisation.
> 
> Tchao
> --
> Marc


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 20 14:19:47 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:19:47 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
 <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:

> Update:
> 
> I have no idea why MPlayer now work as expected (with floatle outputs) 
> when starting Jack with my 16 bit USB module:
> jackd -r -d alsa -d hw:2 -P -o 8 -z shaped

Why do you use -r ? Does your system not allow real-time ?
Why -o 8 ? Even if you have 8 outputs that is not necessary.
 
> Although it would have been nice to use zita-j2a for resampling...

There is no need to resample anything.

> What was the problem then? I hope it's not intermittent,
> and that it's not only related to the device between my ears. :)
> 
> Then I tried to add the 2 channels internal sound device:
> zita-j2a -v -d hw:1
> (no sound)
> zita-j2a -v -d hw:1 -L
> (no sound)

Does hw:1 work with Jack ?
Did you connect anything to the zita-j2a ports ?

Ciao,


-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 20 14:23:09 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:23:09 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <20130720142309.GD11334@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 09:36:22AM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:

> But when running jackd with my 16bit USB module, Mplayer is converting
> its output to 16bit. When running Jack with a 24bit sound card or the
> aloop device, Mplayer's output is floatle (as expected), even when
> forcing Jack to run in 16bit with the "--short" option.

As said, unless you have some voodoo SW on your machine, that is
not possible. If mplayer uses jack, it doesn not know anything
about the sound card. Not the sample format, not the number of
channels, only the sample frequency. 
 
> Another problem: when starting Jack with a 2 channels sound card,
> Mplayer can't output more than 2 channels. 

Again, mplayer can't know this. Your are probably running on
some other soundcard, not using Jack.

Ciao,
 
-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From marc at hacklava.net  Sat Jul 20 16:26:33 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:26:33 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
 <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
 <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130720122633.73cfeee0@hacklava.net>

Hi again Fons.

Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> a ?crit :
> > jackd -r -d alsa -d hw:2 -P -o 8 -z shaped
> 
> Why do you use -r ? Does your system not allow real-time ?

Oops. I use a generic 3.7 kernel that allow real-time, so -r is bad.
The correct switch is -R (default).

> Why -o 8 ? Even if you have 8 outputs that is not necessary.

Oops again; all channels are available without -o 8.

> There is no need to resample anything.

Right... This is your use case for zita-resampler:
"The development of zita-resampler was triggered by the need to
resample multichannel files (HOA, 25-ish channels), while still keeping
some CPU capacity for other tasks."
So I don't need it. Less is more! :)

> Does hw:1 work with Jack ?

Yes.

> Did you connect anything to the zita-j2a ports ?

Yes.

> As said, unless you have some voodoo SW on your machine, that is not
> possible. If mplayer uses jack, it doesn not know anything about the
> sound card. Not the sample format, not the number of channels, only
> the sample frequency.

So Mplayer is just reporting the output frequency of Jack?

> > Another problem: when starting Jack with a 2 channels sound card,
> > Mplayer can't output more than 2 channels. 
> 
> Again, mplayer can't know this. Your are probably running on
> some other soundcard, not using Jack.

I confirm: when using Jack with the internal soundcard (with 2 output
channels), Mplayer limit its number of output channels to 2, even if I
specify the number of channels of my sound file (4) to Mplayer.

Update: 
- I installed the latest Jackd (version 1.9.10 from Grame): zita-j2a now works! :) 
  after the "Starting synchronisation" message, there's now a
  continuous sequence of numbers. Suggestion: a note in the
  documentation about the version of Jackd would help.
- I installed the latest Mplayer (2): same behaviour...

Thanks for you help.

N.B. The descriptions in the man pages are inverted:
zita-j2a - Use ALSA capture device as a Jack client, with resampling.
zita-a2j - Use ALSA playback device as a Jack client, with resampling.

--
Marc



From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 20 17:52:18 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:52:18 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720122633.73cfeee0@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
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 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
 <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
 <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720122633.73cfeee0@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <20130720175218.GE11334@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:26:33PM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
 
> > There is no need to resample anything.
> 
> Right... This is your use case for zita-resampler:
> "The development of zita-resampler was triggered by the need to
> resample multichannel files (HOA, 25-ish channels), while still keeping
> some CPU capacity for other tasks."

I mean: there is no need to resample if you want to use mplayer with Jack.
If the audio file's sample rate doesn't match that of Jack, mplayer will
do the resampling.


> So Mplayer is just reporting the output frequency of Jack?

Both actually:

==========================================================================
Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder
AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 1411.2 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 176400->176400)
Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM)
==========================================================================
AO: [jack] 48000Hz 2ch floatle (4 bytes per sample)


> > > Another problem: when starting Jack with a 2 channels sound card,
> > > Mplayer can't output more than 2 channels. 
> > 
> > Again, mplayer can't know this. Your are probably running on
> > some other soundcard, not using Jack.
> 
> I confirm: when using Jack with the internal soundcard (with 2 output
> channels), Mplayer limit its number of output channels to 2, even if I
> specify the number of channels of my sound file (4) to Mplayer.

Because it wants to connect to four system:playback ports, and that fails.
And when the connection fails, mplayer deletes the output port. Which is
insane, but that's how it is.

Start Jack with two playback channels, and any program having at least
four jack inputs, e.g. ambdec. Then try

  mplayer -ao jack:port=ambdec -channels 4 YOUR_4_CH_FILE

and mplayer will have four output ports and connect them to ambdec's
inputs, even if your sound card has only two outputs.

The real problem is that mplayer doesn't allow you to specify the
connections, they could be in any order. So chances are 1 in 24 that
they will be correct in this case. Mplayer is one of the many apps that
claim Jack support but get it all wrong.

> - I installed the latest Jackd (version 1.9.10 from Grame): zita-j2a now works! :) 

What was your previous Jack version ?

>   after the "Starting synchronisation" message, there's now a
>   continuous sequence of numbers.

Probably because you still use -v. See the README for what they mean.

> Suggestion: a note in the documentation about the version of
> Jackd would help.

It shouldn't matter, unless it's *very* old. Zita-ajbridge requires
nothing special from Jack, apart from a working DLL. And that was
added at least five years ago.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 20 21:13:22 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:13:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Screen blanking
Message-ID: <1374354802.690.11.camel@archlinux>

Hi :)

how can screen blanking be disabled? A long time ago I have given up to
check this out for my Ubuntu Studio installs. FWIW it's not the monitor,
for an old Suse 11.2 install the screen never will be turned off.

Now I try to disable screen blanking on Arch Linux, Xfce 4.10.

$ uname -rm
3.8.13-rt14-1-rt x86_64

This doesn't work:

$ cat ~/.xinitrc
#!/bin/sh
#
# ~/.xinitrc
#
# Executed by startx (run your window manager from here)

if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ]; then
  for f in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/*; do
    [ -x "$f" ] && . "$f"
  done
  unset f
fi

xset -dpms
setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -powerdown 0
xset s off

exec startxfce4
# exec xterm

Power Manager is enabled when starting a session, but
Menu > Settings > Settings Manager > Power Manager > On AC >
All "Actions" and "Monitor" settings are set to "never".

$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "Module"
	Load  "extmod"
	Load  "dri"
	Load  "dbe"
	Load  "dri2"
	Load  "glx"
	Load  "record"
	Load		"GLcore"
	#Load		"v4l"
EndSection
	Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "Monitor0"
	VendorName   "Plug 'n' Play"
	ModelName    "Plug 'n' Play"
	DisplaySize  305 230
	HorizSync    29-98
	VertRefresh  50-120
	modeline 	"1152x864" 128.42 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 910
	Gamma	1.0
EndSection

Section "Device"
        ### Available Driver options are:-
        ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
        ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
        ### [arg]: arg optional
        #Option     "SWcursor"           	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "HWcursor"           	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "NoAccel"            	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "ShadowFB"           	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "VideoKey"           	# <i>
        #Option	    "MergedFB"	"off"           #old debian/ubuntu
	Identifier  "Card0"
        Driver      "radeon"
        #Driver	    "nvidia"
	#Driver	    "nv"
	#Driver     "nouveau"
        #Driver     "vesa"
	#VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
	#BoardName   "G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS]"
	#BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "Screen0"
	Device     "Card0"
	Monitor    "Monitor0"

	Defaultdepth	24
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth	24
		Modes      "1152x864"
                #Virtual    3840 1200
	EndSubSection

#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     1
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     4
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     8
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     15
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     16
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     24
#	EndSubSection
EndSection
$ ls /etc/X11
xinit  xorg.conf  xorg.conf.d
$ ls /etc/X11/xinit/
xinitrc  xinitrc.d  xserverrc
$ ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
10-evdev.conf  10-quirks.conf  keyboard.conf
$ ls /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/
30-dbus  40-libcanberra-gtk-module

Regards,
Ralf


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 20 21:43:24 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:43:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [solved] Screen blanking
In-Reply-To: <1374354802.690.11.camel@archlinux>
References: <1374354802.690.11.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <1374356604.692.3.camel@archlinux>

I guess it's solved. No screen blanking after 10 minutes, as it was
before, after editing ~/.xinitrc and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

$ cat ~/.xinitrc
#!/bin/sh
#
# ~/.xinitrc
#
# Executed by startx (run your window manager from here)

if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ]; then
  for f in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/*; do
    [ -x "$f" ] && . "$f"
  done
  unset f
fi

xset dpms 0 0 0
setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -powerdown 0
xset s off

exec startxfce4
# exec xterm

$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "Module"
	Load  "extmod"
	Load  "dri"
	Load  "dbe"
	Load  "dri2"
	Load  "glx"
	Load  "record"
	Load		"GLcore"
	#Load		"v4l"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "Monitor0"
	VendorName   "Plug 'n' Play"
	ModelName    "Plug 'n' Play"
	DisplaySize  305 230
	HorizSync    29-98
	VertRefresh  50-120
	modeline 	"1152x864" 128.42 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 910
	Gamma	1.0
EndSection

Section "Device"
        ### Available Driver options are:-
        ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
        ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
        ### [arg]: arg optional
        #Option     "SWcursor"           	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "HWcursor"           	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "NoAccel"            	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "ShadowFB"           	# [<bool>]
        #Option     "VideoKey"           	# <i>
        #Option	    "MergedFB"	"off"           #old debian/ubuntu
	Identifier  "Card0"
        Driver      "radeon"
        #Driver	    "nvidia"
	#Driver	    "nv"
	#Driver     "nouveau"
        #Driver     "vesa"
	#VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
	#BoardName   "G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS]"
	#BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "Screen0"
	Device     "Card0"
	Monitor    "Monitor0"

	Defaultdepth	24
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth	24
		Modes      "1152x864"
                #Virtual    3840 1200
	EndSubSection

#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     1
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     4
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     8
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     15
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     16
#	EndSubSection
#	SubSection "Display"
#		Viewport   0 0
#		Depth     24
#	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
    Option "BlankTime" "0"
    Option "StandbyTime" "0"
    Option "SuspendTime" "0"
    Option "OffTime" "0"
EndSection


From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Jul 20 21:55:06 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 22:55:06 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [solved] Screen blanking
In-Reply-To: <1374356604.692.3.camel@archlinux>
References: <1374354802.690.11.camel@archlinux>
 <1374356604.692.3.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <20130720225506.2f38ad0a@debian>

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:43:24 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> I guess it's solved. No screen blanking after 10 minutes, as it was
> before, after editing ~/.xinitrc and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
> 
> $ cat ~/.xinitrc
> #!/bin/sh
> #
> # ~/.xinitrc
> #
> # Executed by startx (run your window manager from here)
> 
> if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ]; then
>   for f in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/*; do
>     [ -x "$f" ] && . "$f"
>   done
>   unset f
> fi
> 
> xset dpms 0 0 0
> setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -powerdown 0
> xset s off
> 
> exec startxfce4
> # exec xterm
> 
> $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> Section "Module"
> 	Load  "extmod"
> 	Load  "dri"
> 	Load  "dbe"
> 	Load  "dri2"
> 	Load  "glx"
> 	Load  "record"
> 	Load		"GLcore"
> 	#Load		"v4l"
> EndSection
> Section "Monitor"
> 	Identifier   "Monitor0"
> 	VendorName   "Plug 'n' Play"
> 	ModelName    "Plug 'n' Play"
> 	DisplaySize  305 230
> 	HorizSync    29-98
> 	VertRefresh  50-120
> 	modeline 	"1152x864" 128.42 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 910
> 	Gamma	1.0
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Device"
>         ### Available Driver options are:-
>         ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
>         ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
>         ### [arg]: arg optional
>         #Option     "SWcursor"           	# [<bool>]
>         #Option     "HWcursor"           	# [<bool>]
>         #Option     "NoAccel"            	# [<bool>]
>         #Option     "ShadowFB"           	# [<bool>]
>         #Option     "VideoKey"           	# <i>
>         #Option	    "MergedFB"	"off"           #old debian/ubuntu
> 	Identifier  "Card0"
>         Driver      "radeon"
>         #Driver	    "nvidia"
> 	#Driver	    "nv"
> 	#Driver     "nouveau"
>         #Driver     "vesa"
> 	#VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
> 	#BoardName   "G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS]"
> 	#BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Screen"
> 	Identifier "Screen0"
> 	Device     "Card0"
> 	Monitor    "Monitor0"
> 
> 	Defaultdepth	24
> 	SubSection "Display"
> 		Depth	24
> 		Modes      "1152x864"
>                 #Virtual    3840 1200
> 	EndSubSection
> 
> #	SubSection "Display"
> #		Viewport   0 0
> #		Depth     1
> #	EndSubSection
> #	SubSection "Display"
> #		Viewport   0 0
> #		Depth     4
> #	EndSubSection
> #	SubSection "Display"
> #		Viewport   0 0
> #		Depth     8
> #	EndSubSection
> #	SubSection "Display"
> #		Viewport   0 0
> #		Depth     15
> #	EndSubSection
> #	SubSection "Display"
> #		Viewport   0 0
> #		Depth     16
> #	EndSubSection
> #	SubSection "Display"
> #		Viewport   0 0
> #		Depth     24
> #	EndSubSection
> EndSection
> 
> Section "ServerFlags"
>     Option "BlankTime" "0"
>     Option "StandbyTime" "0"
>     Option "SuspendTime" "0"
>     Option "OffTime" "0"
> EndSection
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

I can't for the life of me remember what it is, but (for debian at least) there
is in fact a very simple one line alteration that does this!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 22:35:34 2013
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:35:34 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [solved] Screen blanking
In-Reply-To: <20130720225506.2f38ad0a@debian>
References: <1374354802.690.11.camel@archlinux>
 <1374356604.692.3.camel@archlinux> <20130720225506.2f38ad0a@debian>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbMyjNrAxY6xm5QNnwjQdguyNeW+AcReoMZqGS2p7QzOnQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk>
wrote:
> I can't for the life of me remember what it is, but (for debian at least)
there
> is in fact a very simple one line alteration that does this!


On Arch I have this little script to disable: I'm pretty sure it will work
X-distro too. xset is the only command used:
https://github.com/harryhaaren/scripts/blob/master/archLinux/screensaverDisable.sh

HTH, -Harry
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Jul 20 23:04:02 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:04:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [solved] Screen blanking
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbMyjNrAxY6xm5QNnwjQdguyNeW+AcReoMZqGS2p7QzOnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1374354802.690.11.camel@archlinux>
 <1374356604.692.3.camel@archlinux> <20130720225506.2f38ad0a@debian>
 <CAKudYbMyjNrAxY6xm5QNnwjQdguyNeW+AcReoMZqGS2p7QzOnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1374361442.692.8.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 23:35 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:

> On Arch I have this little script to disable: I'm pretty sure it will
> work X-distro too. xset is the only command used:
> https://github.com/harryhaaren/scripts/blob/master/archLinux/screensaverDisable.sh

This is quasi what I run by my first .xinitrc and it didn't work. It's
definitive solved now. What exactly solved the issue, the new .xinitrc
or the new xorg.conf will be tested within the next days. Hopefully it
does work for Ubuntu and Debian too.

Thank you Will and Harry.

Regards,
Ralf

-- 
Great guitar riff, 25 or 6 to 4- Chicago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLiuMkGCOC4




From marc at hacklava.net  Sun Jul 21 00:50:35 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:50:35 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720175218.GE11334@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
 <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
 <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720122633.73cfeee0@hacklava.net>
 <20130720175218.GE11334@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130720205035.3c852f6a@hacklava.net>

Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> a ?crit :
> I mean: there is no need to resample if you want to use mplayer with
> Jack. If the audio file's sample rate doesn't match that of Jack,
> mplayer will do the resampling.

Mmhh... I'd prefer everything in 24bit until the output to alsa; I
don't want to provide 16bit channels to ambdec from 24bit amb files.
But then, is it a valid concern? I have the feeling that it doesn't
matter much...

> Start Jack with two playback channels, and any program having at least
> four jack inputs, e.g. ambdec. Then try
> 
>   mplayer -ao jack:port=ambdec -channels 4 YOUR_4_CH_FILE
> 
> and mplayer will have four output ports and connect them to ambdec's
> inputs, even if your sound card has only two outputs.

It works as you described. 

> The real problem is that mplayer doesn't allow you to specify the
> connections, they could be in any order. So chances are 1 in 24 that
> they will be correct in this case. Mplayer is one of the many apps
> that claim Jack support but get it all wrong.

For FOA, mapping of amb files is WXYZ, while ambdec inputs are
0w,1y,1z,1x (why?), so the connections are wrong (W-0w,X-1y,Y-1z,Z-1x).
Here's how I remapped the outputs:

mplayer -loop 0 -channels 4 -af channels=4:4:0:0:1:3:2:1:3:2 -ao
jack:port=ambdec AJH_eight-positions.amb

I will write a script to support other amb channels mapping with
mplayer (up to fff in Malham notation).

Now my problem is to connect mplayer to a second instance of ambdec; I
need it for lower frequencies, and since I use a triangle (for basic
horizontal decoding), I had to change the lower limit for the number of
allowed channels in the  source code of ambdec.

> > - I installed the latest Jackd (version 1.9.10 from Grame):
> > zita-j2a now works! :) 
> 
> What was your previous Jack version ?

Version 0.121. It was kept on my system by some old software. I
uninstalled all software with dependencies to Jack, then I was able to
install a newer version of Jack.

> >   after the "Starting synchronisation" message, there's now a
> >   continuous sequence of numbers.
> 
> Probably because you still use -v. See the README for what they mean.

Yes, it's useful to verify if it works.

> > Suggestion: a note in the documentation about the version of
> > Jackd would help.
> 
> It shouldn't matter, unless it's *very* old. Zita-ajbridge requires
> nothing special from Jack, apart from a working DLL. And that was
> added at least five years ago.

Ubuntu is still providing version 0.121, even in the newest development
distribution (saucy), probably for compatibility issues.

--
Marc





From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul 21 01:04:00 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 03:04:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Attention! Attackers have .... Was: Zita-ajbridge ?
Message-ID: <1374368640.819.13.camel@archlinux>

On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 20:50 -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
> Ubuntu is still providing version 0.121

Since you mention Ubuntu,

-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: Ali Linx (amjjawad)
To: Xubuntu Support and User Discussions
<xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: [xubuntu-users] Ubuntu Forum - FYI
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 04:38:37 +0400

http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html

-- 
Attention! Attackers have gotten every user's local username, password,
and email address from the Ubuntu Forums database.

http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Jul 21 11:41:04 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 11:41:04 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130720205035.3c852f6a@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
 <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
 <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720122633.73cfeee0@hacklava.net>
 <20130720175218.GE11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720205035.3c852f6a@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <20130721114104.GA20621@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 08:50:35PM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:

> > mplayer will do the resampling.
> 
> Mmhh... I'd prefer everything in 24bit until the output to alsa; I
> don't want to provide 16bit channels to ambdec from 24bit amb files.
> But then, is it a valid concern? I have the feeling that it doesn't
> matter much...

Resampling means 'computing samples for another sample rate', and not 
'changing the sample format'. Anyway, in Jack *everything* is floating
point until output to Alsa, just as you want. Again: mplayer, or any
other Jack app, does not know the format required by the sound card,
and when connected to Jack it always outputs in floating point format.


> For FOA, mapping of amb files is WXYZ, while ambdec inputs are
> 0w,1y,1z,1x (why?),

See below. 

> Here's how I remapped the outputs:
> 
> mplayer -loop 0 -channels 4 -af channels=4:4:0:0:1:3:2:1:3:2 -ao
> jack:port=ambdec AJH_eight-positions.amb
> I will write a script to support other amb channels mapping with
> mplayer (up to fff in Malham notation).

Neat trick, but if it works you are just lucky.

** There is no defined order when Jack provides a list of ports. **

In most cases, Jack will list them in the order they were created,
but you can't count on that.
 
The only way to obtain a defined order is by interpreting the port
names, which is what e.g. Qjackctl does: it does a lexicographical
sort. Which is why it will show Ambdec's ports as 0w, 1x, 1y, 1z.
AFAIK, mplayer doesn't do that.


> Now my problem is to connect mplayer to a second instance of ambdec; I
> need it for lower frequencies, and since I use a triangle (for basic
> horizontal decoding), I had to change the lower limit for the number of
> allowed channels in the  source code of ambdec.

There's no need to do that, just set the matrix coefficients for the
4th channel to zero.

About Ambisonics channel order
------------------------------

Spherical harmonics are identified by two numbers, 'degree' and
'order', usually notated 'l' and 'm'. [*]  I'll use 'L' and 'M'
here to avoid confusing 'l' and '1'.

This is the mapping using the FuMa channel names:

   |  -3   -2   -1    0   +1   +2   +3   M
---|--------------------------------------
 0 |                  W
 1 |             Y    Z    X
 2 |        V    T    R    S    U
 3 |   Q    O    M    K    L    N    P
   |
 L |   

The triangle gets wider as L increases, as there are
2 * L + 1 components of degree L.

If you read it top to bottom and left to right, and start
counting at zero, you get what is called the "Ambisonic
channel number" or ACN:  W = 0, Y = 1, Z = 2, X = 3, etc.
Ambdec uses ACN internally, so it creates ports in that 
order, and then Jack will (usually) list them in the same
order. When Ambdec gets extended to 4th degree (order) and
higher, it will also use ACN in the port names - there are
no FuMA names for those. The only alternative would be to
use port names that explicitly contain L and M.

Note that

  ACN = L^2 + L + M

and when given ACN

  L = sqrt (ACN)   rounded down, and then
  M = ACN - L^2 - L


[*] To add to the confusion, in Ambisonics the 'degree' is
    usually called 'order'.


Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From marc at hacklava.net  Sun Jul 21 13:14:00 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 09:14:00 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130721114104.GA20621@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
 <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
 <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720122633.73cfeee0@hacklava.net>
 <20130720175218.GE11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720205035.3c852f6a@hacklava.net>
 <20130721114104.GA20621@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130721091400.46bd82dc@hacklava.net>

Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> a ?crit :
> Resampling means 'computing samples for another sample rate', and not 
> 'changing the sample format'. 

I thought that the sample format was the sample depth plus the sample
rate, but sample format and sample depth are the same. Definitions are
important.

> Neat trick, but if it works you are just lucky.

Gee. I just finished my script, and it works.

> ** There is no defined order when Jack provides a list of ports. **

What?? Now... Heinseberg law applying to Jack... :-)

> In most cases, Jack will list them in the order they were created,
> but you can't count on that.

I might just count on that. I like being lucky. :-)

> The only way to obtain a defined order is by interpreting the port
> names, which is what e.g. Qjackctl does: it does a lexicographical
> sort. Which is why it will show Ambdec's ports as 0w, 1x, 1y, 1z.
> AFAIK, mplayer doesn't do that.

Isn't Qjackctl just a wrapper (or controller) for jackd? Qjackctl shows
the ports in a different (lexicographical) order, but the order does
not change when starting jackd with Qjackctl.
 
> > Now my problem is to connect mplayer to a second instance of
> > ambdec; 

I'll try to use the aloop devices instead of mangling the channels
order with a bash script to create a remapping string for Mplayer. I
should be able to script the connections between the ambdec decoders and
the aloop devices, in order to use MPlayer with ALSA instead of Jack.

> I need it for lower frequencies, and since I use a triangle
> > (for basic horizontal decoding), I had to change the lower limit
> > for the number of allowed channels in the  source code of ambdec.
> 
> There's no need to do that, just set the matrix coefficients for the
> 4th channel to zero.

Nice! I'll fix my triangle decoder; it's cheaper than replacing all
my satellite speakers with full-range speakers, only for frequencies
below 120Hz.

> When Ambdec gets extended to 4th degree (order) and
> higher, it will also use ACN in the port names - there are
> no FuMA names for those. The only alternative would be to
> use port names that explicitly contain L and M.

I doubt I'll be using 4th degree anytime soon (my listening room is
very small), but there might be a need to create a new amb format using
the ACN ordering instead of the FuMA ordering. Or does it already
exists?

--
Marc

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul 21 13:44:04 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:44:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Zita-ajbridge ?
In-Reply-To: <20130721091400.46bd82dc@hacklava.net>
References: <20130719191420.6a2d5ba4@hacklava.net>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307191834290.3229@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20130719223326.67149ede@hacklava.net>
 <20130720114743.GB11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720093622.74687e7e@hacklava.net>
 <20130720100803.5d92b56a@hacklava.net>
 <20130720141947.GC11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720122633.73cfeee0@hacklava.net>
 <20130720175218.GE11334@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130720205035.3c852f6a@hacklava.net>
 <20130721114104.GA20621@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130721091400.46bd82dc@hacklava.net>
Message-ID: <1374414244.1445.41.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2013-07-21 at 09:14 -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
> > ** There is no defined order when Jack provides a list of ports. **
> 
> What?? Now... Heinseberg law applying to Jack... :-)

Broken analogy ;) since the ports are there and you can figure out at
what position and you don't have another condition to take care about,
so it's different from the uncertainty principle :p. SICR.

-- 
Attention! Attackers have gotten every user's local username, password,
and email address from the Ubuntu Forums database.

http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html


From len at ovenwerks.net  Mon Jul 22 00:55:54 2013
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 17:55:54 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Headless jackdbus (no X11)
Message-ID: <a258944abdf21a83b49b0d80a3d33c35.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>

I have in the past used something like a jackstart script in a headless
situation before, which started dbus and exported it's info so jackdbus
would work. It is actually easier to use:
  dbus-launch screen

Then use screen as your CLI session manager. jack_control can then be used
to run jack and change settings on the fly (like latency?). Audio
applications can be run in other screen terminals to use jack... and if
you really want to go crazy you can throw pulse at the mix... though I am
really not sure what pulse supporting applications you hope to find that
are CLI (I tested it with paplay, but there is no gain using that over
jack.play).


-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net


From p8rpp at aol.com  Mon Jul 22 13:00:21 2013
From: p8rpp at aol.com (Peter P.)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:00:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack CD ripping: coding failed, err#8
Message-ID: <20130722130021.GA16506@aol.de>

Hi,

using the jack command line CD ripping program, the extraction from CD
audio to wav works fine, but the encoder (pre-set to flac in the 
.jack3rc config file) seems to fail. Jack gives me 
        "coding failed, err#8"
for each CD track. Can't find a -verbose or -debug flag to make it 
tell me more. Any ideas and help is greatly appreciated!
best, Peter

From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 13:48:18 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:48:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>

2013/7/16 Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc.org>:
> hi july ;)
>
> yet another batch of the Vee One Suite of old-school software instruments is
> out: synthv1 [1] polyphonic synthesizer, samplv1 [2] polyphonic sampler and
> drumkv1 [3] drum-kit sampler, this time presenting their brand new icons
> while dropping the lamest old-schooler's out, in a master lesson taught by
> Jarle Richard Akselsen, thanks.
>
> all still available in dual form:
>
> - a pure stand-alone JACK client with JACK-session, NSM (Non Session
> management) and both JACK MIDI and ALSA MIDI input support;
> - a LV2 instrument plugin.
>
> all free and open-source Linux Audio software, distributed under the terms
> of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later.
>
> here goes the new triumvirate bunch again:
>
>
> [1] synthv1 - an old-school polyphonic synthesizer
>
>   synthv1 is an old-school all-digital 4-oscillator subtractive polyphonic
> synthesizer with stereo fx.
>
>   LV2 URI: http://synthv1.sourceforge.net/lv2
>
>   website:
>     http://synthv1.sourceforge.net
>
>   downloads:
>     http://sourceforge.net/projects/synthv1/files
>
>   - source tarball:
>     http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4.tar.gz
>
>   - source package:
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm
>
>   - binary packages:
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm
>
>
> [2] samplv1 - an old-school polyphonic sampler
>
>   samplv1 is an(other) old-school all-digital polyphonic sampler synthesizer
> with stereo fx.
>
>   LV2 URI: http://samplv1.sourceforge.net/lv2
>
>   website:
>     http://samplv1.sourceforge.net
>
>   downloads:
>     http://sourceforge.net/projects/samplv1/files
>
>   - source tarball:
>     http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4.tar.gz
>
>   - source package:
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm
>
>   - binary packages:
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.4-11.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm
>
>
> [3] drumkv1 - an old-school drum-kit sampler
>
>   drumkv1 is (yet) an(other) old-school all-digital drum-kit sampler
> synthesizer with stereo fx.
>
>   LV2 URI: http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net/lv2
>
>   website:
>     http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net
>
>   downloads:
>     http://sourceforge.net/projects/drumkv1/files
>
>   - source tarball:
>     http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4.tar.gz
>
>   - source package:
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4-7.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm
>
>   - binary packages:
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4-7.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm
>
> http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.4-7.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm
>
>
> see also:
>   http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/679
>
>
> enjoy && summer's ready!
> --
> rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
> rncbc at rncbc.org
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

Hi, Rui.

I've downloaded samplv1 in order to see if it can be executed headless
and controlled via MIDI (after being configured with GUI). I couldn't
compile, configure fails when checking Qt version on the machine I was
logged.

I see in README that Qt is mandatory, so I guess headless is not an
option. Is that right?

Thanks again for all your great work.

-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From kaspar.bumke at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 14:32:58 2013
From: kaspar.bumke at gmail.com (Kaspar Bumke)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:32:58 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Headless jackdbus (no X11)
In-Reply-To: <a258944abdf21a83b49b0d80a3d33c35.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
References: <a258944abdf21a83b49b0d80a3d33c35.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net>
Message-ID: <CAB+dmjjOD0L2cWNY0+=qXp5fzGCgJ4QcxXS86fmOj1NspTfQDA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip.


On 22 July 2013 01:55, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:

> I have in the past used something like a jackstart script in a headless
> situation before, which started dbus and exported it's info so jackdbus
> would work. It is actually easier to use:
>   dbus-launch screen
>
> Then use screen as your CLI session manager. jack_control can then be used
> to run jack and change settings on the fly (like latency?). Audio
> applications can be run in other screen terminals to use jack... and if
> you really want to go crazy you can throw pulse at the mix... though I am
> really not sure what pulse supporting applications you hope to find that
> are CLI (I tested it with paplay, but there is no gain using that over
> jack.play).
>
>
> --
> Len Ovens
> www.OvenWerks.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
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From jeremy at autostatic.com  Mon Jul 22 18:03:08 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:03:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
 <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com>

On 07/22/2013 03:48 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
> I see in README that Qt is mandatory, so I guess headless is not an
> option. Is that right?

Hi Carlos,

If you use jalv or modhost you can run samplv1 with no GUI.

Jeremy

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From rncbc at rncbc.org  Mon Jul 22 21:38:28 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:38:28 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
 <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com>
Message-ID: <51EDA654.8010203@rncbc.org>

On 07/22/2013 07:03 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 07/22/2013 03:48 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
>> I see in README that Qt is mandatory, so I guess headless is not an
>> option. Is that right?
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> If you use jalv or modhost you can run samplv1 with no GUI.
>

yes. qt4 is mandatory for build and for runtime standalone samplv1_jack.

however, as Jeremy already suggested, you can run the lv2 plugin without 
the gui with jalv, but again, you'll always need a (fake) X server anyhow

so, the authoritarian answer is, no. sorry. any of the vee ones are not 
meant to run headless, and sure there are workarounds but i can't really 
patronize ways to do so, sorry :)

cheers
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org

From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Mon Jul 22 21:50:39 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:50:39 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <51EDA654.8010203@rncbc.org>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
 <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com> <51EDA654.8010203@rncbc.org>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKm_5m4pZDUuw+v4WspKxoDc72bYN4m-e0kKcGq8ZNGH=g@mail.gmail.com>

why would a fake X server be needed if no GUI is ever instantiated for the
plugin?


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc.org> wrote:

> On 07/22/2013 07:03 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>
>> On 07/22/2013 03:48 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
>>
>>> I see in README that Qt is mandatory, so I guess headless is not an
>>> option. Is that right?
>>>
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> If you use jalv or modhost you can run samplv1 with no GUI.
>>
>>
> yes. qt4 is mandatory for build and for runtime standalone samplv1_jack.
>
> however, as Jeremy already suggested, you can run the lv2 plugin without
> the gui with jalv, but again, you'll always need a (fake) X server anyhow
>
> so, the authoritarian answer is, no. sorry. any of the vee ones are not
> meant to run headless, and sure there are workarounds but i can't really
> patronize ways to do so, sorry :)
>
> cheers
>
> --
> rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
> rncbc at rncbc.org
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From rncbc at rncbc.org  Mon Jul 22 23:35:48 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:35:48 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKm_5m4pZDUuw+v4WspKxoDc72bYN4m-e0kKcGq8ZNGH=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
 <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com> <51EDA654.8010203@rncbc.org>
 <CAFa_cKm_5m4pZDUuw+v4WspKxoDc72bYN4m-e0kKcGq8ZNGH=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51EDC1D4.7010800@rncbc.org>

On 07/22/2013 10:50 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
> why would a fake X server be needed if no GUI is ever instantiated for
> the plugin?
>

'coz the dsp code _and_ the gui code are currently residing on the same 
shared object (.so) and that, when linked to libqt4(-gui) as is, tends 
to do their nasty things on dload: often check if a x server is around, 
even though one hasn't come close to the plugin gui widget request

yeah i could have made it into separate dsp and gui .so's which is 
something in scope of the lv2 spec. but i didn't, at least yet; there's 
this "DSSI-zing" call 'round here ie. implement complete isolation 
between dsp and gui process code, also getting rid of evil lv2 
instance-access... but until then... :)

cheers
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Tue Jul 23 06:35:22 2013
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:35:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <51EDC1D4.7010800@rncbc.org>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
 <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <51EE242A.8090506@autostatic.com>

On 07/23/2013 01:35 AM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
> 'coz the dsp code _and_ the gui code are currently residing on the same
> shared object (.so) and that, when linked to libqt4(-gui) as is, tends
> to do their nasty things on dload: often check if a x server is around,
> even though one hasn't come close to the plugin gui widget request

Does this also apply to drumkv1? Because I can rum drumkv1 without X
when using jalv.

Jeremy

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From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 08:27:37 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:27:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
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2013/7/22 Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy at autostatic.com>:
> On 07/22/2013 03:48 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
>> I see in README that Qt is mandatory, so I guess headless is not an
>> option. Is that right?
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> If you use jalv or modhost you can run samplv1 with no GUI.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

Ok, samplv1 as LV2 instrument with jalv. But I was curious if it could
be also just standalone and headless.

Thanks Jeremy.


-- 
Carlos sanchiavedraz
* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 09:00:58 2013
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:00:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <51EDA654.8010203@rncbc.org>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
 <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com> <51EDA654.8010203@rncbc.org>
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5x9HHmZxqiAZptRX664feKvpPhqv7-3K9xZ8eAv9vqfGg@mail.gmail.com>

2013/7/22 Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc.org>:
> On 07/22/2013 07:03 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>>
>> On 07/22/2013 03:48 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote:
>>>
>>> I see in README that Qt is mandatory, so I guess headless is not an
>>> option. Is that right?
>>
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> If you use jalv or modhost you can run samplv1 with no GUI.
>>
>
> yes. qt4 is mandatory for build and for runtime standalone samplv1_jack.
>
> however, as Jeremy already suggested, you can run the lv2 plugin without the
> gui with jalv, but again, you'll always need a (fake) X server anyhow
>
> so, the authoritarian answer is, no. sorry. any of the vee ones are not
> meant to run headless, and sure there are workarounds but i can't really
> patronize ways to do so, sorry :)
>
> cheers
>
> --
> rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
> rncbc at rncbc.org
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As LV2 is OK for me.

Thanks Rui.

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* Musix GNU+Linux
  http://www.musix.es

From rncbc at rncbc.org  Tue Jul 23 14:58:44 2013
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:58:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.4 - Brand new icon ready
In-Reply-To: <51EE9060.8060504@autostatic.com>
References: <51E55D94.2060705@rncbc.org>
 <CA+O6s5w0i_k3G3H8=Jrp3NMpBKj__pmZ+QBdzbetQP9n2uo6PQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <51ED73DC.6050207@autostatic.com> <51EDA654.8010203@rncbc.org>
 <CAFa_cKm_5m4pZDUuw+v4WspKxoDc72bYN4m-e0kKcGq8ZNGH=g@mail.gmail.com>
 <51EDC1D4.7010800@rncbc.org> <51EE242A.8090506@autostatic.com>
 <51EE8CDB.5010103@rncbc.org> <51EE9060.8060504@autostatic.com>
Message-ID: <51EE9A24.4020409@rncbc.org>

On 07/23/2013 03:17 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 04:02 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
>> On 07/23/2013 07:35 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>>> On 07/23/2013 01:35 AM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
>>>> 'coz the dsp code _and_ the gui code are currently residing on the same
>>>> shared object (.so) and that, when linked to libqt4(-gui) as is, tends
>>>> to do their nasty things on dload: often check if a x server is around,
>>>> even though one hasn't come close to the plugin gui widget request
>>>
>>> Does this also apply to drumkv1? Because I can rum drumkv1 without X
>>> when using jalv.
>>>
>>
>> maybe my mistake and applies only to the standalone version, not to the
>> lv2 plugin in general--you certainly need xlib and qt4-gui for build.
>>
>> you don't necessarily have to have an effectively running Xserverbut you
>> certainly need Xlib et al. for the lv2 runtime. ntl.
>>
>> hth.
>
> Hi Rui,
>
> You only sent this mail to me or was that intentional?
>

ouch. thanks for the heads-up. i'm sending this from a sunbed by the sea 
shore, and some mobile clients are somewhat hard to master between dives ;)

cheers
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Wed Jul 24 13:18:35 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:18:35 +0000
Subject: [LAU] TEST-IGNORE
Message-ID: <20130724131835.GA28544@linuxaudio.org>

TEST MESSAGE, PLEASE IGNORE
-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 24 16:36:32 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:36:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   I just found, that there were quite a few updates for mod-host in the git 
repository. But after having built the software, I discovered a few problems.
   When starting mod-host I always get this message:
error: PROTOCOL_MAX_COMMANDS reached (reconfigure it)
   In mod-host's interactive shell (mod-host -i), I can get help, but when 
typing quite, I get the message:
not found.
   The command can even be completed, so a typo is unlikely. :-)
   Any ideas or fixes for this?
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From brunogola at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 16:49:21 2013
From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:49:21 -0300
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Julien,

Are you sure you have the latest version from github? I believe the
PROTOCOL_MAX_COMMANDS issue was fixed a few months ago.

About the "not found" problem, my guess is that it is related to the
PROTOCOL_MAX_COMMANDS bug. Can you please try to do a git pull and try
again?

I just tried with the latest version and it works fine for me.

Cheers,

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>   I just found, that there were quite a few updates for mod-host in the git
> repository. But after having built the software, I discovered a few
> problems.
>   When starting mod-host I always get this message:
> error: PROTOCOL_MAX_COMMANDS reached (reconfigure it)
>   In mod-host's interactive shell (mod-host -i), I can get help, but when
> typing quite, I get the message:
> not found.
>   The command can even be completed, so a typo is unlikely. :-)
>   Any ideas or fixes for this?
>   Warm regards
>         Julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user



-- 
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http://bgo.la/ | +55 11 9-5552-3599

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 24 16:53:53 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:53:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
In-Reply-To: <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
 <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>

Hello Bruno!
   I had the latest version, but somehow the build process got tangled. A few 
minutes fidling around and I cloned again and everything worked fine. So some 
issue on my side. Thanks for putting my mind at ease. Now I can work with it 
again and have fun with it. :-)
   Best wishes
        Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From ricardo.crudo at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:26:43 2013
From: ricardo.crudo at gmail.com (Ricardo Crudo)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:26:43 -0300
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
 <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CAPjqk-KZKZnMjPCbGeq=N4BOsHv46oTp30nsX1tCN+ix5Q4m1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Julien!

Maybe the "not found" problem was extra spaces at end of line, I fix it.

And, taking advantage, two new features:
- commands now support quotation marks
- load / save commands added (you can save and load a preset in 'commands
history' format)

Regards,
Ricardo Crudo.


2013/7/24 Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>

> Hello Bruno!
>   I had the latest version, but somehow the build process got tangled. A
> few minutes fidling around and I cloned again and everything worked fine.
> So some issue on my side. Thanks for putting my mind at ease. Now I can
> work with it again and have fun with it. :-)
>   Best wishes
>
>        Julien
>
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Thu Jul 25 14:58:09 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:58:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
In-Reply-To: <CAPjqk-KZKZnMjPCbGeq=N4BOsHv46oTp30nsX1tCN+ix5Q4m1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
 <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>
 <CAPjqk-KZKZnMjPCbGeq=N4BOsHv46oTp30nsX1tCN+ix5Q4m1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307251657050.12159@flower.world.net>

Hello Ricardo!
   The save/load feature is a very nice and helpful one. It can take a great 
deal of time to set up one of the larger plugins completely and with that, it 
won't be just for one session. Good feature! Good work!
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From cracauer at cons.org  Thu Jul 25 18:21:50 2013
From: cracauer at cons.org (Martin Cracauer)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:21:50 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
Message-ID: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>

Does anybody know why wav files that do not have clipping would clip
when encoding them with lame?

I have a bunch of self-made clips that for various reasons don't have
enough gain.  I wrote a wav->wav conversion that determines maximum
gain (as in highest or lowest absolute value) and uses sox' volume
argument to boost.  Inspecting it with same gain tools and listening
to it shows the expected gain raise, but not clipping.

Then, when encoding in lame it gets clipped.  Lame warns about it and
the values have been boosted to the max.  When doing the boost, with
the same factor, directly in lame (feeding in the unboosted wav) I get
the same problem.  Very roughly a clip with 3% headroom ends up being
too high by 16%, or about a 20% boost.

What's going on? I assume there is something about mp3 encoding I
don't quite understand.

Is there anything more efficient that I can do about that doing one
lame run to get an appropriate boost value and then doing another
encoding pass?



Here are the stats of a boosted wav file and the resulting lame:

t02c02.tmp.wav_maxgain_tmp.wav:
Samples read:          36900960
Length (seconds):    384.385000
Scaled by:         2147483647.0
Maximum amplitude:     0.969208
Minimum amplitude:    -0.970673
Midline amplitude:    -0.000732
Mean    norm:          0.213396
Mean    amplitude:     0.000000
RMS     amplitude:     0.274775
Maximum delta:         1.675323
Minimum delta:         0.000000
Mean    delta:         0.193639
RMS     delta:         0.245325
Rough   frequency:         6820
Volume adjustment:        1.030



mp3:
Samples read:          36907776
Length (seconds):    384.456000
Scaled by:         2147483647.0
Maximum amplitude:     1.000000
Minimum amplitude:    -1.000000
Midline amplitude:    -0.000000
Mean    norm:          0.203464
Mean    amplitude:     0.000010
RMS     amplitude:     0.262007
Maximum delta:         1.636044
Minimum delta:         0.000000
Mean    delta:         0.185782
RMS     delta:         0.235408
Rough   frequency:         6863
Volume adjustment:        1.000
/opt/good-sox/bin/sox WARN sox: `-' input clipped 725 samples
/opt/good-sox/bin/sox WARN sox: `/tmp/cracauer/l.wav' output clipped
360 samples; decrease volume?

Encoding output:
lame -h -b 160 --replaygain-accurate --clipdetect t02c02.tmp.wav_maxgain_tmp.wav t02c02.tmp.wav_maxgain_tmp.mp3_tmp '&&' mv t02c02.tmp.wav_maxgain_tmp.mp3_tmp t02c02.tmp.wav_maxgain_tmp.mp3
+ sh
LAME version 3.96.1 (http://lame.sourceforge.net/)
Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18000 Hz - 18581 Hz
Encoding t02c02.tmp.wav_maxgain_tmp.wav to t02c02.tmp.wav_maxgain_tmp.mp3_tmp
Encoding as 48 kHz 160 kbps j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (9.6x) qval=2
    Frame          |  CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU |    ETA 
 16015/16018 (100%)|    0:22/    0:22|    0:22/    0:22|   17.121x|    0:00 
average: 160.0 kbps   LR: 2551 (15.93%)   MS: 13467 (84.07%)

Writing LAME Tag...done
ReplayGain: -9.1dB
WARNING: clipping occurs at the current gain. Set your decoder to decrease
         the  gain  by  at least 1.3dB or encode again using --scale <arg>
         (For   a   suggestion  on  the  optimal  value  of  <arg>  encode
         with  --scale 1  first)



-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org>   http://www.cons.org/cracauer/

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Thu Jul 25 19:40:53 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:40:53 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 02:21:50PM -0400, Martin Cracauer wrote:

> Does anybody know why wav files that do not have clipping would clip
> when encoding them with lame?

Because the peak sample value says nothing about the real 
level. Take a square wave with peak values +/-1. It is the
sum of a number of sine waves, with frequencies  1,3,5,7,...
times the frequency of the square wave. The first one has
a peak value of about +/-1.27, that is +2 dB. So any encoding
that looks at the spectrum (and mp3 does) will see a level
that is +2 dB.

If you really want to normalise on the peak level, use a 
lower one. If you want all your samples to have the same
loudness, use RMS instead of peak, or a real loudness
measurement such as provided by ebumeter.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From cracauer at cons.org  Thu Jul 25 20:14:20 2013
From: cracauer at cons.org (Martin Cracauer)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:14:20 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>

Fons Adriaensen wrote on Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 07:40:53PM +0000: 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 02:21:50PM -0400, Martin Cracauer wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody know why wav files that do not have clipping would clip
> > when encoding them with lame?
> 
> Because the peak sample value says nothing about the real 
> level. Take a square wave with peak values +/-1. It is the
> sum of a number of sine waves, with frequencies  1,3,5,7,...
> times the frequency of the square wave. The first one has
> a peak value of about +/-1.27, that is +2 dB. So any encoding
> that looks at the spectrum (and mp3 does) will see a level
> that is +2 dB.

Ah.  Makes sense.  Thanks so much!

Is there a rule of thumb how many db less I should give music to avoid
this? What would be the value for pink noise starting at 40 Hz?

> If you really want to normalise on the peak level, use a 
> lower one. If you want all your samples to have the same
> loudness, use RMS instead of peak, or a real loudness
> measurement such as provided by ebumeter.

Is there a way to hook up ebumeter to just an audio file or a stream
not associated with real time? It seems to come in a jack package only.

Thanks again
Martin
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org>   http://www.cons.org/cracauer/

From marc at hacklava.net  Thu Jul 25 20:45:48 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:45:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>

Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> a ?crit :
> Is there a way to hook up ebumeter to just an audio file or a stream
> not associated with real time? It seems to come in a jack package
> only.
> 
> Thanks again
> Martin

http://r128gain.sourceforge.net/

--
Marc

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Thu Jul 25 21:09:07 2013
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:09:07 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130725220907.7a01e4a5@debian>

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:14:20 -0400
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> wrote:

> Fons Adriaensen wrote on Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 07:40:53PM +0000: 
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 02:21:50PM -0400, Martin Cracauer wrote:
> > 
> > > Does anybody know why wav files that do not have clipping would clip
> > > when encoding them with lame?
> > 
> > Because the peak sample value says nothing about the real 
> > level. Take a square wave with peak values +/-1. It is the
> > sum of a number of sine waves, with frequencies  1,3,5,7,...
> > times the frequency of the square wave. The first one has
> > a peak value of about +/-1.27, that is +2 dB. So any encoding
> > that looks at the spectrum (and mp3 does) will see a level
> > that is +2 dB.
> 
> Ah.  Makes sense.  Thanks so much!
> 
> Is there a rule of thumb how many db less I should give music to avoid
> this? What would be the value for pink noise starting at 40 Hz?

I always finalise a wav file in Audacity with the peak level at -1dB. Seems to
work for me :)

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Thu Jul 25 21:44:16 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 21:44:16 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130725214416.GB20598@linuxaudio.org>

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 04:14:20PM -0400, Martin Cracauer wrote:

> Is there a rule of thumb how many db less I should give music
> to avoid this?

Depends entirely on what you are trying to do, what sort of
signals/music you have, how the clips are going to be used,
and where you stand in the 'loudness wars'.

'Acoustic' music has a peak/RMS ratio of around 20 dB.
The EBU standard means to aim for an average RMS level of
-23 dB. Most popular music productions try to have a much
higher average level, and hence a lower peak/RMS ratio,
something like 10 dB, or 6 dB for the more agressive ones,
and as low as 3 dB if the target audience is the braindead.

OTOH, if your clips are e.g. unprocessed drum samples, you
could have a peak/RMS ratio that is much higher than 20 dB. 
So it depends, use your judgement. 

> What would be the value for pink noise starting at 40 Hz?

Impossible to say. Gaussian noise (analog noise is Gaussian)
has in theory an infinite peak/RMS ratio. In practice it will
be limited of course.  

To get an idea of this, you could measure the pink noise
provided by e.g. japa with jkmeter (which shows RMS and peak).
The RMS value is -20 dB. If you wait long enough, the peak
memory can take any value, there is no limit. 

In practice, if one or few samples per second get clipped
you won't notice.  

 
> Is there a way to hook up ebumeter to just an audio file or a stream
> not associated with real time? It seems to come in a jack package only.

If you have ebumeter installed, try

   ebur128 --full --lufs filename.wav

The ebur128 program is included in the source distribution
of ebumeter, I don't know if it's available in binary packages.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 25 23:59:06 2013
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com (tweed)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
 <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <1374796746.47581.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hello ,
trying mod-host for the 1st time.? do i just get param names from .ttl file?? or is there a way to retreive them from within mod-host? interactively?
thanks so much for your work on this.
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 26 04:29:03 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 06:29:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130725214416.GB20598@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org> <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725214416.GB20598@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <1374812943.773.21.camel@archlinux>

On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 21:44 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> as low as 3 dB if the target audience
                                       ^ and the engineer and the
producer are the braindead. No engineer or producer is forced to do bad
recordings. The target group is naive and only sometimes braindead.
Engineers and producers permanently doing this are the braindead.



From kvutter at frii.com  Fri Jul 26 04:40:16 2013
From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 22:40:16 -0600
Subject: [LAU] MIDI Port names in Jack
Message-ID: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>

Hi all! I'm wondering why so many of my MIDI ports in Jack are named so similarly, and if they can be changed? I don't remember this being a problem on my previous Linux system, but there are a few differences. I'm avoiding GUIs and need to use CLI tools, so no Qjackctl suggestions, please. I'm using an M-Audio MIDI sport Uno USB midi interface, and the virMIDI device for internal  patching, as well as MIDISH.  In jack, all of those, along with the main system ports like through are all listed as system midi playback or capture and a number. I've tried both raw and seq jack MIDI modes. I can see which is which with Jack_lsp with the -A or -t options set. But I was hoping to use something like Jack Plumbing for reconnecting, and since the real client names don't show up, I can't get jack plumbing to see them. Since the port numbers aren't always the same, I can't depend on the suffix digits to identify the right port. Then, using MIDISH, where the ports come and go when it starts and stops, its port numbers seem to increment each time as well. Should I perhaps be using A2Jmidid instead of the jack MIDI modes? Is there something else I'm missing? Or is this a difference between Jack 1 and Jack 2? Or differences from Ubuntu 9-10 and 12-10? Sorry to be so wordy, but wanted to be clear. Thanks for any help.

Kevin 

From espiritocz at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 05:19:52 2013
From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:19:52 +0800
Subject: [LAU] linearly increasing velocity
Message-ID: <CANaJcSzcm7o+KEZ=PySTiWkXpNUDNjLa4CGLQr44ERNvNX0cpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I will play one song to my sister's wedding in 14 days :)
the idea is that it starts slow and then every measure goes little faster
(+XX bpm) than previous one. Then it remains few measures in the final
(fast) speed.

Does anybody have experience (with any linux utility) for this?

Thank you.

Milan
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 26 05:25:35 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:25:35 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linearly increasing tempo (velocity ;)
In-Reply-To: <CANaJcSzcm7o+KEZ=PySTiWkXpNUDNjLa4CGLQr44ERNvNX0cpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANaJcSzcm7o+KEZ=PySTiWkXpNUDNjLa4CGLQr44ERNvNX0cpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1374816335.736.3.camel@archlinux>



On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 13:19 +0800, Milan Lazecky wrote:
> the idea is that it starts slow and then every measure goes little
> faster (+XX bpm) than previous one. Then it remains few measures in
> the final (fast) speed.
> 
> 
> Does anybody have experience (with any linux utility) for this?

This can be done with Qtractor, Ardour and for sure with others too.



From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Jul 26 06:19:24 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:19:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
In-Reply-To: <1374796746.47581.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
 <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>
 <1374796746.47581.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307260814130.533@flower.world.net>

Hello David!
   You can get the names from within mod-host. You can type something like:
add http://nickbailey.co.nr/triceratops 0
param_set 0 <TAB><TAB>
   Problem is, you might get quite a few results. Another external option is to 
use lv2info in another terminal. Nicer than the ttl file and more helpful than 
the output in mod-host .
   I hope this helps a little.
   Kindly yours
          Julien

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From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Jul 26 06:29:06 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:29:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] MIDI Port names in Jack
In-Reply-To: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>
References: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307260823170.533@flower.world.net>

Hello Kevin!
   I'm not sure about your portnames, but with -Xseq (in JACK 1), my MIDI port 
names look like this:
alsa_pcm:Emu10k1-WaveTable/midi_playback_4
   This is very long, but for automated purposes this is OK. I could cut&copy 
and paste it into any script.
   But there's jack_alias, this could rename ports for you. Since your ports do 
change names or numbers, this might not be the best solution neither. As far 
as I know, jack_alias can rename a whole client, not a single port.
   With j2amidi_bridge you could patch a JACK port thought to ALSA. You'd still 
have to connect a softsynth port to it. But soft synth ports should have the 
usual names. Other hardware ports can be connected directly through ALSA 
sequencer. I can send you my example .midishrc off-list. There's more than 
just a device setup, there are some convenience functions to connect new ports 
on the fly.
   I hope, this did answer your question, at least partly.
   Kind regards
           Julien

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From davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 26 09:32:44 2013
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com (tweed)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 02:32:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307260814130.533@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241834150.28965@flower.world.net>
 <CA+45zYXcsv9U_AEB1SheWDTNgQfJiYKFeOuDQXPRU38ptOrDdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307241852330.28965@flower.world.net>
 <1374796746.47581.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307260814130.533@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <1374831164.4839.YahooMailNeo@web161705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Thanks so much for your help Julien,
I didn't know about mod-host so I'm glad I saw your post.? cool how lv2info shows min, max, default.
Thanks again.




>________________________________
> From: Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de>
>To: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com> 
>Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> xc
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [LAU] Trouble with mod-host
> 
>
>Hello David!
>?  You can get the names from within mod-host. You can type something like:
>add http://nickbailey.co.nr/triceratops 0
>param_set 0 <TAB><TAB>
>?  Problem is, you might get quite a few results. Another external option is to 
>use lv2info in another terminal. Nicer than the ttl file and more helpful than 
>the output in mod-host .
>?  I hope this helps a little.
>?  Kindly yours
>? ? ? ? ? Julien
>
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>http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
>
>
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 26 10:33:16 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:33:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Session managers
Message-ID: <1374834796.799.36.camel@archlinux>

Hi,

do session managers take care about the configurations of audio apps,
e.g. do they save and restore ~/.config/rncbc.org/ too?

Can they launch apps by a terminal emulation as I can do it using a
script?

E.g.
xfce4-terminal --maximize -T "? jackd" -e "jackd --sync -dalsa -r$sample_rate -p$frames_period"
xfce4-terminal --maximize -T "? qtractor" -e qtractor\ $song_path/qtr/$song_name-$song_version_qtr.qtr

Somebody on the Arch general mailing list mentioned to use session
managers, when I ask "How to safe configs to another path than ~" -
https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2013-July/thread.html#start

I'm looking for a solution, not only for audio sessions, but for audio
sessions it's the most important.

Regards,
Ralf


From brummer- at web.de  Fri Jul 26 11:32:41 2013
From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:32:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Session managers
In-Reply-To: <1374834796.799.36.camel@archlinux>
References: <1374834796.799.36.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <51F25E59.9090505@web.de>

Am 26.07.2013 12:33, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> Hi,
>
> do session managers take care about the configurations of audio apps,
> e.g. do they save and restore ~/.config/rncbc.org/ too?
>
> Can they launch apps by a terminal emulation as I can do it using a
> script?
>
> E.g.
> xfce4-terminal --maximize -T "? jackd" -e "jackd --sync -dalsa -r$sample_rate -p$frames_period"
> xfce4-terminal --maximize -T "? qtractor" -e qtractor\ $song_path/qtr/$song_name-$song_version_qtr.qtr
>
> Somebody on the Arch general mailing list mentioned to use session
> managers, when I ask "How to safe configs to another path than ~" -
> https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2013-July/thread.html#start
>
> I'm looking for a solution, not only for audio sessions, but for audio
> sessions it's the most important.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
>

Applications can only save there config files by themselves, a 
sessionmanager cant do that ever. All, a sessionmanager can do, is to 
ask a application to save it now. If implemented in the application, it 
will do so. As well the sessionmanager could give a path to save to, but 
the same rule apply as before.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Jul 26 11:52:16 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:52:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Session managers
In-Reply-To: <51F25E59.9090505@web.de>
References: <1374834796.799.36.camel@archlinux> <51F25E59.9090505@web.de>
Message-ID: <1374839536.799.48.camel@archlinux>

On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 13:32 +0200, hermann meyer wrote:
> Applications can only save there config files by themselves, a 
> sessionmanager cant do that ever.

Thank you Hermann,

that was the thought I had.

With good luck the HOME variable might do the job.

HOME=/path/to/session/directory application

but the thread on the Arch Linux mailing list already showed, that the
only way seems to be to write a function call that will replace the
getpwuid() calls by LD_PRELOAD.
If a session manager would do this, I suspect issues for applications
that always should use the original home directory, it at least would
cause a race condition.

Btw. I'm not willing to relearn C at the moment and so I'm unable to use
LD_PRELOAD, so I still need to search the config and than copy and
restore it, when switching between sessions.

Regards,
Ralf


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Fri Jul 26 12:07:51 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:07:51 -0400
Subject: [LAU] MIDI Port names in Jack
In-Reply-To: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>
References: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKmevnXwqo5B_-uNU7-Na1p6ho-CFh+Udi+6L2CdurkYDQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Kevin Utter <kvutter at frii.com> wrote:

>
>  stops, its port numbers seem to increment each time as well. Should I
> perhaps be using A2Jmidid instead of the jack MIDI modes?


yes, absolutely. the only reason that -X raw and -X seq have not been
removed is that the code to replace them isn't ready. always use a2jmidid
(with -e to pick up external h/w ports).
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Fri Jul 26 13:04:09 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:04:09 +0000
Subject: [LAU] MIDI Port names in Jack
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKmevnXwqo5B_-uNU7-Na1p6ho-CFh+Udi+6L2CdurkYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>
 <CAFa_cKmevnXwqo5B_-uNU7-Na1p6ho-CFh+Udi+6L2CdurkYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130726130409.GA29498@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 08:07:51AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
 
> yes, absolutely. the only reason that -X raw and -X seq have not been
> removed is that the code to replace them isn't ready. always use a2jmidid
> (with -e to pick up external h/w ports).

This made me have a look at the sources.

Up to ten minutes ago I was believing that a2jmidid used timestamps etc.
to reduce jitter, and that this made it preferable over Jack's -X.

But apparently it doesn't, all events in the same Jack period are
just bunched together. There's even a comment in the source code:

 /* -FIX- this should have the frame time of the event, instead of '0': */

So what is the advantage ?

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From hollunder at lavabit.com  Fri Jul 26 13:26:21 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:26:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
Message-ID: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

Hi there,

I finally want to buy a small field recording device, a zoom H* or
similar, and I hope that some of you have experience with some of those
devices and can give me some advice.

I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I am,
so it should be relatively small and and fast to start recording. I
also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far away sources, I
want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As far as I've seen
those devices use SSDs or similar storage media, so I assume they don't
make any noise on their own, right? I guess the microphone should also
have a low self-noise.

Any recommendations?

Regards,
Philipp


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Fri Jul 26 13:53:06 2013
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:53:06 -0400
Subject: [LAU] MIDI Port names in Jack
In-Reply-To: <20130726130409.GA29498@linuxaudio.org>
References: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>
 <CAFa_cKmevnXwqo5B_-uNU7-Na1p6ho-CFh+Udi+6L2CdurkYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130726130409.GA29498@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKmgrbH2+bvaM_uGesE3KZtdzDkqiGsn1BL4x0NM7ZNMRw@mail.gmail.com>

the last time i touched a2jmidi, it did precisely what you were looking for
- 1 period of latency, zero jitter.

however, i do not maintain a2jmidid (it is not my project) and i have no
idea what has happened to it since I last did any work on it.


On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org>wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 08:07:51AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
>
> > yes, absolutely. the only reason that -X raw and -X seq have not been
> > removed is that the code to replace them isn't ready. always use a2jmidid
> > (with -e to pick up external h/w ports).
>
> This made me have a look at the sources.
>
> Up to ten minutes ago I was believing that a2jmidid used timestamps etc.
> to reduce jitter, and that this made it preferable over Jack's -X.
>
> But apparently it doesn't, all events in the same Jack period are
> just bunched together. There's even a comment in the source code:
>
>  /* -FIX- this should have the frame time of the event, instead of '0': */
>
> So what is the advantage ?
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> FA
>
> A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
> It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
> and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Fri Jul 26 14:44:35 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:44:35 +0000
Subject: [LAU] MIDI Port names in Jack
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKmgrbH2+bvaM_uGesE3KZtdzDkqiGsn1BL4x0NM7ZNMRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B22F8F60-1BA0-4C2F-9141-48B676028372@frii.com>
 <CAFa_cKmevnXwqo5B_-uNU7-Na1p6ho-CFh+Udi+6L2CdurkYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130726130409.GA29498@linuxaudio.org>
 <CAFa_cKmgrbH2+bvaM_uGesE3KZtdzDkqiGsn1BL4x0NM7ZNMRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130726144435.GB29498@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 09:53:06AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:

> the last time i touched a2jmidi, it did precisely what you were looking for
> - 1 period of latency, zero jitter.
> 
> however, i do not maintain a2jmidid (it is not my project) and i have no
> idea what has happened to it since I last did any work on it.

The code in jack.c seems to do the right thing, the one in a2jmidi_bridge.c
and j2amidi_bridge.c (which is where I looked first) certainly doesn't.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From julien at mail.upb.de  Fri Jul 26 15:04:08 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:04:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307261700290.6684@flower.world.net>

Hello Philipp!
   I have a Zoom h4n now and it is very good. It's not the tiniest of 
implements, but certainly easyenough to carry around. It takes a minute to 
start up, but then recording is instantaneous. It has two built-in microphones 
and you can change the angle between those two from 90 to 120 degrees. The 
self-noise is present, but OK. You can go to my website and check outmy field 
recordings to get your own impressions of its recording quality.
   A friend recently bought a Zoom H2n. It's much smaller, doesn't have as many 
fancy recording options. I don't know, how fast this can boot up and I don't 
know the difference in sound. I can ask myfriend, what he thinks. He knows the 
Zoom H4n in comparison, since it was his. :-)
   As to their own noise levels, you assume correctly. Since they write on SD 
cards, they are silent.
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From jamesmstone at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 15:24:19 2013
From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:24:19 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CABRv+90XOM_ECRppxrztni0_Kuq8Hk0+mYCKDf_rWqcT41SD2g@mail.gmail.com>

On Jul 26, 2013 2:26 PM, "Philipp ?berbacher" <hollunder at lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I finally want to buy a small field recording device, a zoom H* or
> similar, and I hope that some of you have experience with some of those
> devices and can give me some advice.
>
> I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I am,
> so it should be relatively small and and fast to start recording. I
> also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far away sources, I
> want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As far as I've seen
> those devices use SSDs or similar storage media, so I assume they don't
> make any noise on their own, right? I guess the microphone should also
> have a low self-noise.
>
> Any recommendations?
>

Not sure about recommendations.. I had a zoom h1 for recording band
rehearsals. Was amazingly good sound quality and able to cope with very
loud sound as well as very quiet. Don't remember any bad internal noise.
Fast startip - almost instantaneous i think. However, it felt plasticky and
after approx 9 months stopped booting following no obvious trauma. I got a
refund and didn't replace it. However I wonder if I was unlucky. Half
tempted to buy another one to see...

J
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From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 15:38:10 2013
From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:38:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307261700290.6684@flower.world.net>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307261700290.6684@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <51F297E2.6000901@gmail.com>

On 07/26/2013 05:04 PM, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello Philipp!
>    I have a Zoom h4n now and it is very good. It's not the tiniest of
> implements, but certainly easyenough to carry around. It takes a minute
> to start up, but then recording is instantaneous. It has two built-in
> microphones and you can change the angle between those two from 90 to
> 120 degrees. The self-noise is present, but OK. You can go to my website
> and check outmy field recordings to get your own impressions of its
> recording quality.
>    A friend recently bought a Zoom H2n. It's much smaller, doesn't have
> as many fancy recording options. I don't know, how fast this can boot up
> and I don't know the difference in sound. I can ask myfriend, what he
> thinks. He knows the Zoom H4n in comparison, since it was his. :-)
>    As to their own noise levels, you assume correctly. Since they write
> on SD cards, they are silent.
No direct recommendations here but I've also heard good reports from the 
Zoom. Toshiba is another option if you require stereo

From jkroll at lavabit.com  Fri Jul 26 15:55:07 2013
From: jkroll at lavabit.com (Johannes Kroll)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:55:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20130726175507.7f4531d4@sampi>

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:26:21 +0200
Philipp ?berbacher <hollunder at lavabit.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I finally want to buy a small field recording device, a zoom H* or
> similar, and I hope that some of you have experience with some of those
> devices and can give me some advice.

I tried the H2N some time ago. I was impressed by the sound quality, I
liked the 4 built-in microphones which you can use in different
configurations. 

But I was underwhelmed by what is probably the self-noise of the thing.
Whenever I tried to record low-volume stuff, like someone talking
quietly a meter away or so, or animal noises in some distance, and later
digitally amplified that to a normal level, white noise became audible
quickly. I thought these devices would have a better signal-to-noise
ratio. I tried different settings (uncompressed, 16/24 bits, different
sampling rates) with no luck. Maybe I overestimated what devices in
that price range can do. 

In the end I returned it. Want to buy another one, but not sure which.



From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Fri Jul 26 16:54:02 2013
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:54:02 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20130726165402.63CF9BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 26 July 2013 at 15:26, Philipp ?berbacher <hollunder at lavabit.com> wrote:

> I finally want to buy a small field recording device, a zoom H* or
> similar, and I hope that some of you have experience with some of those
> devices and can give me some advice.
> 
> I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I am,
> so it should be relatively small and and fast to start recording. I
> also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far away sources, I
> want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As far as I've seen
> those devices use SSDs or similar storage media, so I assume they don't
> make any noise on their own, right? I guess the microphone should also
> have a low self-noise.

I like everything about my Zoom H2, except for one thing.  The
line in jack is not very durable, and mine is intermittent on
one side of the stereo pair.  It's got 4 mics, and I can select
either pair, or both pairs for recording.  I'm pretty good now
at selecting a good sounding place in a room to record music.
I've used it at family gatherings to record conversations, etc.
I've had it for about 5 years now, and recorded 400-500 hours
of material.  The SD card makes it super easy to transfer to my
computer.

If I had a chance to start over, I'd buy a Zoom H4n for what I
hope would be more rugged line in jacks.  That would mean I'd
need to forgo the 2nd pair of microphones.  I would be willing to
part with my H2.

Good luck with your search....

P.S.:	You could use a smart phone and a microphone for this.

--
Kevin



From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 26 16:54:24 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:54:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
Message-ID: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>

Hi everybody.

I have been doing some test with netcjack1 and jack2, sending audio between two linux pc. I can send audio from one computer to another, but only with synths and prerecorded audio tracks. When I try to use a live audio input, it doesn't works. I'm doing something wrong or it's because I'm using jack with netone? is there any way to do this if possible?

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From davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 26 22:14:16 2013
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com (tweed)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
In-Reply-To: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1374876856.688.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Nacho, which direction are you trying to send live audio.?? master to slave or slave to master??? if slave to master use alsa_in on slave machine to have that audio interface as a jack client.? hope this helps.

?
www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
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>________________________________
> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
>To: "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:54 PM
>Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
> 
>
>
> 
>Hi everybody.
>
>I have been doing some test with netcjack1 and jack2, sending audio between two linux pc. I can send audio from one computer to another, but only with synths and prerecorded audio tracks. When I try to use a live audio input, it doesn't works. I'm doing something wrong or it's because I'm using jack with netone? is there any way to do this if possible?
>
>Thanks!
> 
>_______________________________________________
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>http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From cracauer at cons.org  Fri Jul 26 22:35:02 2013
From: cracauer at cons.org (Martin Cracauer)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:35:02 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
Message-ID: <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>

Thanks again.  Things are looking much better now.  I embraced the
concept of not being able to predict this.  Turns out I have old
screwed up things that really benefitted from revisiting them and
cleaning them up.

Marc Lavall??e wrote on Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 04:45:48PM -0400: 
> Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> a ??crit :
> > Is there a way to hook up ebumeter to just an audio file or a stream
> > not associated with real time? It seems to come in a jack package
> > only.
> > 
> > Thanks again
> > Martin
> 
> http://r128gain.sourceforge.net/

That works.  Comes in the Debian ebumeter package, BTW.

But how do I translate the output to a required db or ratio
adjustment? 

I have a file in front of me that was maxed out amplitude wise by
somebody else.  According to lame I needed --scale 0.64 to get it not
to clip in lame (should be 3.9 db).  Which, BTW was not the value it
first estimated that I would need.

ebur128 --lufs:
Integrated loudness:     -4.9 LUFS
Loudness range:           5.5 LU
Integrated threshold:   -13.0 LUFS
Range threshold:        -25.0 LUFS
Range min:               -8.6 LUFS
Range max:               -3.1 LUFS
Momentary max:           -1.2 LUFS
Short term max:          -2.4 LUFS

I don't see that any of the value correspond with what lame needed to
not clip over a collection of different loudness clips.  (means: some
clips that needed less --scale have higher numbers here and others
have lower)

I assume the ebumeter output is more for making things sound even
(between different pieces) and not directly a tool to max out
anything, is that right?

Martin
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org>   http://www.cons.org/cracauer/

From looplog at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 01:37:53 2013
From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:37:53 +0900
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CABf1g_yd8Xx4wpHCMCrOj1Gzw3jcy7s7GTuuQ=LjPSBgHVTOQA@mail.gmail.com>

If mic self-noise is truly a concern for you, then look beyond Zoom. This
page provides a good comparison:

http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm

I have the Sony PCM-M10 and a Tascam DR-680 for different purposes, and
both are solid units for there price. Keep in mind that most portable
recorders will not give pleasing results for "far away sources" unless you
mean general ambient recording. For distant sources you would need a
specialized microphone. For most versatility, I personally would recommend
choosing a recorder with XLR inputs such that you can buy additional mics
in the future. The Olympus LS-100 seems to be a favorite among recordists
on a budget for this reason.

If you want the advice of people far more experienced with these recorders
and techniques than myself, I'd also suggest signing up the for the nature
recordists mailing list. It's a very useful resource in general.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists/





On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Philipp ?berbacher
<hollunder at lavabit.com>wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I finally want to buy a small field recording device, a zoom H* or
> similar, and I hope that some of you have experience with some of those
> devices and can give me some advice.
>
> I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I am,
> so it should be relatively small and and fast to start recording. I
> also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far away sources, I
> want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As far as I've seen
> those devices use SSDs or similar storage media, so I assume they don't
> make any noise on their own, right? I guess the microphone should also
> have a low self-noise.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Regards,
> Philipp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From hollunder at lavabit.com  Sat Jul 27 07:10:20 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:10:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130727091020.7aa32573@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:35:02 -0400
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> wrote:

> Thanks again.  Things are looking much better now.  I embraced the
> concept of not being able to predict this.  Turns out I have old
> screwed up things that really benefitted from revisiting them and
> cleaning them up.
> 
> Marc Lavall??e wrote on Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 04:45:48PM -0400: 
> > Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> a ??crit :
> > > Is there a way to hook up ebumeter to just an audio file or a
> > > stream not associated with real time? It seems to come in a jack
> > > package only.
> > > 
> > > Thanks again
> > > Martin
> > 
> > http://r128gain.sourceforge.net/
> 
> That works.  Comes in the Debian ebumeter package, BTW.
> 
> But how do I translate the output to a required db or ratio
> adjustment? 
> 
> I have a file in front of me that was maxed out amplitude wise by
> somebody else.  According to lame I needed --scale 0.64 to get it not
> to clip in lame (should be 3.9 db).  Which, BTW was not the value it
> first estimated that I would need.
> 
> ebur128 --lufs:
> Integrated loudness:     -4.9 LUFS
> Loudness range:           5.5 LU
> Integrated threshold:   -13.0 LUFS
> Range threshold:        -25.0 LUFS
> Range min:               -8.6 LUFS
> Range max:               -3.1 LUFS
> Momentary max:           -1.2 LUFS
> Short term max:          -2.4 LUFS
> 
> I don't see that any of the value correspond with what lame needed to
> not clip over a collection of different loudness clips.  (means: some
> clips that needed less --scale have higher numbers here and others
> have lower)
> 
> I assume the ebumeter output is more for making things sound even
> (between different pieces) and not directly a tool to max out
> anything, is that right?
> 
> Martin

A good place to find out about this is the talk by Fons and J?rn given
at the LAC 2011, here's the link to the program page where you can find
the paper, slides and the video recording:
http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2011/?page=program&mode=list

Regards,
Philipp


From hollunder at lavabit.com  Sat Jul 27 07:37:42 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:37:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <CABf1g_yd8Xx4wpHCMCrOj1Gzw3jcy7s7GTuuQ=LjPSBgHVTOQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <CABf1g_yd8Xx4wpHCMCrOj1Gzw3jcy7s7GTuuQ=LjPSBgHVTOQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130727093742.189879a5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:37:53 +0900
michael noble <looplog at gmail.com> wrote:

> If mic self-noise is truly a concern for you, then look beyond Zoom.
> This page provides a good comparison:
> 
> http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm
> 
> I have the Sony PCM-M10 and a Tascam DR-680 for different purposes,
> and both are solid units for there price. Keep in mind that most
> portable recorders will not give pleasing results for "far away
> sources" unless you mean general ambient recording. For distant
> sources you would need a specialized microphone. For most
> versatility, I personally would recommend choosing a recorder with
> XLR inputs such that you can buy additional mics in the future. The
> Olympus LS-100 seems to be a favorite among recordists on a budget
> for this reason.
> 
> If you want the advice of people far more experienced with these
> recorders and techniques than myself, I'd also suggest signing up the
> for the nature recordists mailing list. It's a very useful resource
> in general.
> 
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists/


Thanks everyone,
I spent quite some time sifting through reviews on the thomann
homepage, but I simply can't trust those, your advice is much
appreciated.

Julien, I especially enjoyed the 'Toilet visit' :)
I think the noise in the recordings there is mostly environmental, so
it's not as bad as I thought. In the rather quiet toilet visit recording
I think I hear some amount of self-noise. However, the vorbis
compression might have something to do with that, I'm not sure.

Thanks a lot Michael, this group/list looks like a treasure trove for
my purposes.

Regards,
Philipp


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Jul 27 09:17:54 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:17:54 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 06:35:02PM -0400, Martin Cracauer wrote:

> ebur128 --lufs:
> Integrated loudness:     -4.9 LUFS
> Loudness range:           5.5 LU
> Integrated threshold:   -13.0 LUFS
> Range threshold:        -25.0 LUFS
> Range min:               -8.6 LUFS
> Range max:               -3.1 LUFS
> Momentary max:           -1.2 LUFS
> Short term max:          -2.4 LUFS

This seems to be in the 'braindead' category...

> I don't see that any of the value correspond with what lame needed to
> not clip over a collection of different loudness clips.  (means: some
> clips that needed less --scale have higher numbers here and others
> have lower)

You can't expect that. Lame's limit are specific for the algorithm
it uses. That would be the case for any lossy encoding system. 

> I assume the ebumeter output is more for making things sound even
> (between different pieces) and not directly a tool to max out
> anything, is that right?

That is absolutely right. Systems such as EBU-R128 exist because
it makes perfect sense to make things sound even (avoiding your
listeners having to adjust the volume all the time), while 'maxing
out' serves no useful purpose at all - it just destroys the sound
if taken too far. In other words, such systems exist to *stop* you
'maxing out' everything.

Lame's 'replaygain' meausurement has the same purpose. Note the
value for the file in your original post: -9.1 dB. That means
that an intelligent mp3 player will *reduce* the level of this
file by 9.1 dB when playing it - it is already much too loud.

Ciao,


-- 
FA



A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From piedraarena at lavabit.com  Sat Jul 27 16:51:23 2013
From: piedraarena at lavabit.com (profiles)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:51:23 -0700
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
Message-ID: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello, 

I am a musician and recently joined this mailing list. I use Fedora18
and would like to use it to create music. I am having trouble getting
off the ground as I have not identified a USB Audio Interface that is
compatible with Fedora. I have visited the ALSA soundcard matrix wiki
and a number of forums in hopes of finding a device. Unfortunately many
of the models and makes talked about are a few years old now and,
frequently, are no longer available from distributors. I imagine a few
people on this list use some sort of soundcard to test/use all of the
great software that is being created for linux users. 

I am inviting suggestions from people with experience in the application
of audio hardware in the fedora environment. I am looking for a device
that uses an independent power plug, connects with usb 2.0, and has both
MIDI and analogue inputs and outputs. A device similar to this would be
great:

http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-44VSL/media

Thanks and I look forward to offering feedback on software once I am up
and running.

-Occhi



From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 27 17:47:41 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:47:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
In-Reply-To: <1374876856.688.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>,
 <1374876856.688.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DUB119-W4129D177C68BD83CE3FD5EA16B0@phx.gbl>

Hi David, thanks for the help, but when I change from jack to alsa on 
the slave machine I can listen only on that slave machine, not in the 
master. 
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:16 -0700
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com
To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1

Hi Nacho, which direction are you trying to send live audio.   master to slave or slave to master?   if slave to master use alsa_in on slave machine to have that audio interface as a jack client.  hope this helps.
 www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory 
        From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
 To: "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
 Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:54 PM
 Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
   



Hi everybody.

I have been doing some test with netcjack1 and jack2, sending audio between two linux pc. I can send audio from one computer to another, but only with synths and prerecorded audio tracks. When I try to use a live audio input, it doesn't works. I'm doing something wrong or it's because I'm using jack with netone? is there any way to do this if possible?

Thanks!
 		 	   		  

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From davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 27 22:16:45 2013
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com (tweed)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:16:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
In-Reply-To: <DUB119-W4129D177C68BD83CE3FD5EA16B0@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>,
 <1374876856.688.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <DUB119-W4129D177C68BD83CE3FD5EA16B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1374963405.29371.YahooMailNeo@web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Nacho,
Which machine (master or slave) has the sound card through which you are running live audio?


?
www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
?



>________________________________
> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
>To: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com>; "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
>Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:47 PM
>Subject: RE: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
> 
>
>
> 
>Hi David, thanks for the help, but when I change from jack to alsa on 
the slave machine I can listen only on that slave machine, not in the 
master. 
>I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:16 -0700
>From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com
>To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
>
>
>Hi Nacho, which direction are you trying to send live audio.?? master to slave or slave to master??? if slave to master use alsa_in on slave machine to have that audio interface as a jack client.? hope this helps.
>
>?
>www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
>?
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
>>To: "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
>>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:54 PM
>>Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>Hi everybody.
>>
>>I have been doing some test with netcjack1 and jack2, sending audio between two linux pc. I can send audio from one computer to another, but only with synths and prerecorded audio tracks. When I try to use a live audio input, it doesn't works. I'm doing something wrong or it's because I'm using jack with netone? is there any way to do this if possible?
>>
>>Thanks!
>> 
>>_______________________________________________
>>Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
>>
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http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From moshwe at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 22:33:19 2013
From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:33:19 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130727093742.189879a5@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
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Hi Phillip,
one very good device that wasn't mentioned here is the Sound Devices
recorder. I used several of their recorders on film sets and had very good
experiences. Also used zoom h2n on several occasions and have to say its
not bad and gets a lot of things done for a reasonable price. But as
mentioned it's not top notch sound quality.
Hope that helps a bit.
Moshe
On 27 ?Jul 2013 10:37, "Philipp ?berbacher" <hollunder at lavabit.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:37:53 +0900
> michael noble <looplog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If mic self-noise is truly a concern for you, then look beyond Zoom.
> > This page provides a good comparison:
> >
> > http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm
> >
> > I have the Sony PCM-M10 and a Tascam DR-680 for different purposes,
> > and both are solid units for there price. Keep in mind that most
> > portable recorders will not give pleasing results for "far away
> > sources" unless you mean general ambient recording. For distant
> > sources you would need a specialized microphone. For most
> > versatility, I personally would recommend choosing a recorder with
> > XLR inputs such that you can buy additional mics in the future. The
> > Olympus LS-100 seems to be a favorite among recordists on a budget
> > for this reason.
> >
> > If you want the advice of people far more experienced with these
> > recorders and techniques than myself, I'd also suggest signing up the
> > for the nature recordists mailing list. It's a very useful resource
> > in general.
> >
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists/
>
>
> Thanks everyone,
> I spent quite some time sifting through reviews on the thomann
> homepage, but I simply can't trust those, your advice is much
> appreciated.
>
> Julien, I especially enjoyed the 'Toilet visit' :)
> I think the noise in the recordings there is mostly environmental, so
> it's not as bad as I thought. In the rather quiet toilet visit recording
> I think I hear some amount of self-noise. However, the vorbis
> compression might have something to do with that, I'm not sure.
>
> Thanks a lot Michael, this group/list looks like a treasure trove for
> my purposes.
>
> Regards,
> Philipp
>
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From emiliano.grilli at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 22:48:49 2013
From: emiliano.grilli at gmail.com (Emiliano Grilli)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:48:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
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Hello,
You might want to check also the "pocketrak" line from Yamaha, they are
very very lightweight (I have the 2g and it's only 49 grams).

The recordings are very good and the price fair. I'm really satisfied with
mine.

The small form factor of course limits the options for connecting external
microphones (no phantom, no XLR)
but as a self contained unit, it'great value.

Hope this helps

Regards
Il giorno 26/lug/2013 15:26, "Philipp ?berbacher" <hollunder at lavabit.com>
ha scritto:

> Hi there,
>
> I finally want to buy a small field recording device, a zoom H* or
> similar, and I hope that some of you have experience with some of those
> devices and can give me some advice.
>
> I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I am,
> so it should be relatively small and and fast to start recording. I
> also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far away sources, I
> want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As far as I've seen
> those devices use SSDs or similar storage media, so I assume they don't
> make any noise on their own, right? I guess the microphone should also
> have a low self-noise.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Regards,
> Philipp
>
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From marc at hacklava.net  Sun Jul 28 04:45:00 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:45:00 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
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Hi Martin.

The "r128gain" software is not the same than "ebur128" that comes
with ebumeter. R128gain can be used to convert your files to mp3 in one
pass, while ebur128 analyse and report.

My understanding of EBU R128: what's important is the "integrated
loudness"; the recommended value is -23 LUFS. If you run ebur128
without --lusfs, the integrated loudness would be -4.9 - -23 = 18.1
So you would have to reduce the volume by 18.1dB.

--
Marc

Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> a ?crit :

> Thanks again.  Things are looking much better now.  I embraced the
> concept of not being able to predict this.  Turns out I have old
> screwed up things that really benefitted from revisiting them and
> cleaning them up.
> 
> Marc Lavall??e wrote on Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 04:45:48PM -0400: 
> > Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> a ??crit :
> > > Is there a way to hook up ebumeter to just an audio file or a
> > > stream not associated with real time? It seems to come in a jack
> > > package only.
> > > 
> > > Thanks again
> > > Martin
> > 
> > http://r128gain.sourceforge.net/
> 
> That works.  Comes in the Debian ebumeter package, BTW.
> 
> But how do I translate the output to a required db or ratio
> adjustment? 
> 
> I have a file in front of me that was maxed out amplitude wise by
> somebody else.  According to lame I needed --scale 0.64 to get it not
> to clip in lame (should be 3.9 db).  Which, BTW was not the value it
> first estimated that I would need.
> 
> ebur128 --lufs:
> Integrated loudness:     -4.9 LUFS
> Loudness range:           5.5 LU
> Integrated threshold:   -13.0 LUFS
> Range threshold:        -25.0 LUFS
> Range min:               -8.6 LUFS
> Range max:               -3.1 LUFS
> Momentary max:           -1.2 LUFS
> Short term max:          -2.4 LUFS
> 
> I don't see that any of the value correspond with what lame needed to
> not clip over a collection of different loudness clips.  (means: some
> clips that needed less --scale have higher numbers here and others
> have lower)
> 
> I assume the ebumeter output is more for making things sound even
> (between different pieces) and not directly a tool to max out
> anything, is that right?
> 
> Martin


From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 28 08:53:20 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:53:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
In-Reply-To: <1374963405.29371.YahooMailNeo@web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>
 <1374876856.688.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Hi david. The live audio is running on the slave machine. I want receive it on the master but at this moment I can not do it, only works with prerecorded audio or synths.

Thanks!




El 28/07/2013, a las 00:16, "tweed" <davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com> escribi?:

> Hi Nacho,
> Which machine (master or slave) has the sound card through which you are running live audio?
> 
>  
> www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
>  
> 
> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
> To: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com>; "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
> 
> Hi David, thanks for the help, but when I change from jack to alsa on the slave machine I can listen only on that slave machine, not in the master. 
> I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
> 
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:16 -0700
> From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com
> To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
> 
> Hi Nacho, which direction are you trying to send live audio.   master to slave or slave to master?   if slave to master use alsa_in on slave machine to have that audio interface as a jack client.  hope this helps.
>  
> www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
>  
> 
> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
> To: "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:54 PM
> Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
> 
> Hi everybody.
> 
> I have been doing some test with netcjack1 and jack2, sending audio between two linux pc. I can send audio from one computer to another, but only with synths and prerecorded audio tracks. When I try to use a live audio input, it doesn't works. I'm doing something wrong or it's because I'm using jack with netone? is there any way to do this if possible?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
> 
> 
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From hollunder at lavabit.com  Sun Jul 28 09:06:05 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:06:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <CAGFf1ogMgLpyYsTtjQe71Feaa3=a0YnEjJhZs2-nJQge_fCF2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:33:19 +0000
Moshe Werner <moshwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Phillip,
> one very good device that wasn't mentioned here is the Sound Devices
> recorder. I used several of their recorders on film sets and had very
> good experiences. Also used zoom h2n on several occasions and have to
> say its not bad and gets a lot of things done for a reasonable price.
> But as mentioned it's not top notch sound quality.
> Hope that helps a bit.
> Moshe

Thanks,
I've seen talk about those in the nature recordist mail archive, and
while apparently the quality is good, they are also incredibly
expensive.

Regards,
Philipp


From jannis_achstetter at web.de  Sun Jul 28 09:21:09 2013
From: jannis_achstetter at web.de (Jannis Achstetter)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:21:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <51F4E285.1050100@web.de>

Am 27.07.2013 18:51, schrieb profiles:
> Hello, 
> I am a musician and recently joined this mailing list. 

Welcome :)

> I am inviting suggestions from people with experience in the application
> of audio hardware in the fedora environment. I am looking for a device
> that uses an independent power plug, connects with usb 2.0, and has both
> MIDI and analogue inputs and outputs. A device similar to this would be
> great:
> 
> http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-44VSL/media

The Roland/Edirol UA-101 works well under linux and should have
everything you need. They can be bought at a reasonable price online
(used) and the developer of the linux kernel driver can be found on this
mailing list in case there should be problems using the device.

Best reagrds,
	Jannis



From hollunder at lavabit.com  Sun Jul 28 09:26:25 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:26:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <CAHzUNZ_dP4sP1qLsn=RyqeZ1u373kiA2J3f6LEYda1VJ8QOoBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:48:49 +0200
Emiliano Grilli <emiliano.grilli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> You might want to check also the "pocketrak" line from Yamaha, they
> are very very lightweight (I have the 2g and it's only 49 grams).
> 
> The recordings are very good and the price fair. I'm really satisfied
> with mine.
> 
> The small form factor of course limits the options for connecting
> external microphones (no phantom, no XLR)
> but as a self contained unit, it'great value.
> 
> Hope this helps

Thanks Emiliano,
seems like it's really small, which is nice, but I rather have
something a little larger and a little better. I've seen that some
nature recordists use a Rode NT1-A, which I happen to own, so an XLR
input would be nice.

Regards,
Philipp


From hollunder at lavabit.com  Sun Jul 28 09:42:49 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:42:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] linux compatible USB Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1374943883.1899.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20130728114249.7897e979@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:51:23 -0700
profiles <piedraarena at lavabit.com> wrote:

> Hello, 
> 
> I am a musician and recently joined this mailing list. I use Fedora18
> and would like to use it to create music. I am having trouble getting
> off the ground as I have not identified a USB Audio Interface that is
> compatible with Fedora. I have visited the ALSA soundcard matrix wiki
> and a number of forums in hopes of finding a device. Unfortunately
> many of the models and makes talked about are a few years old now and,
> frequently, are no longer available from distributors. I imagine a few
> people on this list use some sort of soundcard to test/use all of the
> great software that is being created for linux users. 
> 
> I am inviting suggestions from people with experience in the
> application of audio hardware in the fedora environment. I am looking
> for a device that uses an independent power plug, connects with usb
> 2.0, and has both MIDI and analogue inputs and outputs. A device
> similar to this would be great:
> 
> http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-44VSL/media
> 
> Thanks and I look forward to offering feedback on software once I am
> up and running.
> 
> -Occhi

Hi Occhi,
my experience is limited to a device that doesn't fit your bill (Edirol
UA-25), but at least it simply works. However, USB might not be the
best way to go if you have other options. You can achieve lower
latencies with pretty much everything else, firewire or however those
card bus things are called. If you're just recording or playing back,
that's no problem, but as soon as you need something like monitoring,
the latency can bite you. My device has some direct monitoring option,
probably for exactly that reason, but it is somewhat unsatisfactory.

I guess if you tell us a bit more about your requirements, someone will
be able to give you good advice.

Regards,
Philipp


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Jul 28 11:27:34 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:27:34 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
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Message-ID: <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:45:00AM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:

> The "r128gain" software is not the same than "ebur128" that comes
> with ebumeter.

And where is the source code ? The SF packages contain a copy
of the GPL, and *only* binaries and shared libraries (which 
probably shouldn't get installed that way on any system).
The SVN links don't work. Something stinks here.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul 28 11:47:03 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:47:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org> <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org> <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
 <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <1375012023.712.9.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 11:27 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> And where is the source code ? 
> The SVN links don't work.

For the other projects the SVN addresses don't exist too
http://sourceforge.net/u/pbelkner/profile/


From edogawa at aon.at  Sun Jul 28 12:00:04 2013
From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:00:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
 <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <137503478.CER9Kdcr00@edhp.site>

Am Sonntag, 28. Juli 2013, 11:27:34 schrieb Fons Adriaensen:
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:45:00AM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
> 
> > The "r128gain" software is not the same than "ebur128" that comes
> > with ebumeter.
> 
> And where is the source code ? The SF packages contain a copy
> of the GPL, and *only* binaries and shared libraries (which 
> probably shouldn't get installed that way on any system).

http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/r128gain/1.0/

lists a src.tar.gz that is downloadable via http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/r128gain/1.0/r128gain-1.0-src.tar.gz/download

Edgar

> The SVN links don't work. Something stinks here.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> 

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul 28 12:21:01 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:21:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <137503478.CER9Kdcr00@edhp.site>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
 <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org> <137503478.CER9Kdcr00@edhp.site>
Message-ID: <1375014061.712.11.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 14:00 +0200, Edgar Aichinger wrote:
> a src.tar.gz that is downloadable

JFTR

$ make

does download additional sources


From nettings at stackingdwarves.net  Sun Jul 28 12:44:02 2013
From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:44:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org> <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
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Message-ID: <51F51212.1000604@stackingdwarves.net>

On 07/28/2013 01:27 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:45:00AM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
>
>> The "r128gain" software is not the same than "ebur128" that comes
>> with ebumeter.
>
> And where is the source code ?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/r128gain/1.0/r128gain-1.0-src.tar.gz/download

haven't tried to build it, but it looks like a sane and complete source 
package after a cursory glance.


-- 
J?rn Nettingsmeier
Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487

Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT

http://stackingdwarves.net


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Jul 28 13:20:54 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:20:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <51F51212.1000604@stackingdwarves.net>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org> <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org> <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
 <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
 <51F51212.1000604@stackingdwarves.net>
Message-ID: <1375017654.712.17.camel@archlinux>

On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 14:44 +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> On 07/28/2013 01:27 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:45:00AM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
> >
> >> The "r128gain" software is not the same than "ebur128" that comes
> >> with ebumeter.
> >
> > And where is the source code ?
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/r128gain/1.0/r128gain-1.0-src.tar.gz/download
> 
> haven't tried to build it, but it looks like a sane and complete source 
> package after a cursory glance.

Isn't there the need to provide all used sources instead of downloading
them? However, I don't care about it.

$ grep DOWNLOAD Makefile
define DOWNLOAD
	$(call DOWNLOAD,ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/ImageMagick/$(@F))
#	$(call DOWNLOAD,ftp://mirror.checkdomain.de/imagemagick/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://www.ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v$(JPEG_VER).tar.gz)
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://ffmpeg.org/releases/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,$(call SFURL,sox,sox/$(SOXVER)/$(@F)))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://www.wavpack.com/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,$(call SFURL,flac,flac-src/$(FLAC)-src/$(@F)))
	$(call
DOWNLOAD,ftp://ftp.videolan.org/pub/videolan/x264/snapshots/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://webm.googlecode.com/files/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/files/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://downloads.xiph.org/releases/opus/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://downloads.xiph.org/releases/vorbis/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://downloads.xiph.org/releases/ogg/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,$(call SFURL,lame,lame/$(LAME_MAJOR)/$(@F)))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,ftp://sourceware.org/pub/pthreads-win32/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/releases/$(@F))
	$(call DOWNLOAD,http://pkgconfig.freedesktop.org/releases//$(@F))



FWIW it didn't build by the first trial on Arch Linux:

$ wget http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/project/r128gain/r128gain/1.0/r128gain-1.0-src.tar.gz
[snip]
cc1: all warnings being treated as errors
make[2]: *** [gtkgui.o] Error 1
rm r128gain_mkdir.o r128gain_s_rg.o r128gain_sink.o r128gain_cmd.o
r128gain_y.o r128gain_reg.o r128gain_f_ff.o r128gui_io.o r128gain_s.o
r128gain_peak.o r128gui_util.o r128gain_f_sox.o r128gain_ps.o
r128gui_ps.o r128gain_s_r128.o r128gain_meta.o r128gain_f.o
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/r128gain-1.0/full/gtk3/build/r128gain'
make[1]: *** [full/gtk3/build/r128gain/r128gain] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/r128gain-1.0'
make: *** [all-full-gtk3] Error 2

Regards,
Ralf



From marc at hacklava.net  Sun Jul 28 14:21:29 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:21:29 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <1375017654.712.17.camel@archlinux>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
 <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
 <51F51212.1000604@stackingdwarves.net>
 <1375017654.712.17.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <20130728102129.31cbb6ce@telecino>

Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> a ?crit :
> Isn't there the need to provide all used sources instead of
> downloading them? However, I don't care about it.

I tried to compile it. Here's what I did.

# I downloaded the source files in the same folder:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/r128gain/1.0/r128gain-1.0-src.tar.gz
http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/r128gain/1.0/r128gain-1.0-tools.tar.gz
# I unarchived them:
tar -xzf r128gain-1.0-src.tar.gz
tar -xzf r128gain-1.0-tools.tar.gz
# I jumped into the resulting source folder:
cd r128gain-1.0
# I start rebuilding the world (it's a llloong process):
./configure
cmake
make
# I tried to install it:
sudo make install

But it didn't work, complaining about a missing sox development
package. So I stopped. You're welcome to give it a try. There's
probably a way to compile r128gain without compiling all the required
libraries, in order to use the already installed system libraries.

As a casual user, the binaries works fine, although I had to
symlink the liblame library in the r128gain-tools folder (liblame is
probably missing for copyright issues); for now I believe it's the
easiest way to install r128gain, until official packages appears in
popular Linux based distributions.

--
Marc

From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 15:49:47 2013
From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 17:49:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] KMidimon 0.7.5 released
In-Reply-To: <201009171903.54989.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com>
References: <201009171903.54989.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2520423.yskEhavifp@boccanegra.localdomain>

KMidimon is a MIDI monitor for Linux using ALSA sequencer and KDE4 user 
interface.

Changes in release 0.7.5
* Japanese translation, by Oota Toshiya
* Fixed a crash at exit when playing

Copyright (C) 2005-2013, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
License: GPL v2

More info
  http://kmidimon.sourceforge.net

Sources
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmidimon/files/0.7.5/

Regards,
Pedro


From davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 28 22:04:43 2013
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com (tweed)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
In-Reply-To: <DUB404-EAS321AF685E62A765CA54ECFCA1540@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>
 <1374876856.688.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <DUB119-W4129D177C68BD83CE3FD5EA16B0@phx.gbl>
 <1374963405.29371.YahooMailNeo@web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <DUB404-EAS321AF685E62A765CA54ECFCA1540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1375049083.41008.YahooMailNeo@web161705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Nacho,
Start netjack on both machines as you described in your first post. On the slave machine run the command "alsa_in" in a terminal with your slave's sound card as argument ("alsa_in -d hw:0" if the soundcard you want to use is the first device -? '0' is for the 1st device). this will simply create a jack client for sound card on the slave machine. You can then connect this client in the qjackctl connections window to other clients (in your case probably to 'system' since that is the netjack client on slave).? run "aplay -l" (thats an L) in a terminal to see the the soundcard number (or in qjackctl setup).? run 'man alsa_in' in a terminal to learn more.? hope this helps.


?
www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
?



>________________________________
> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com
>To: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com> 
>Cc: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com>; "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
>Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:53 AM
>Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
> 
>
>
>Hi david. The live audio is running on the slave machine. I want receive it on the master but at this moment I can not do it, only works with prerecorded audio or synths.
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>El 28/07/2013, a las 00:16, "tweed" <davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com> escribi?:
>
>
>Hi Nacho,
>>Which machine (master or slave) has the sound card through which you are running live audio?
>>
>>
>>
>>?
>>www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
>>?
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com>; "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:47 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>Hi David, thanks for the help, but when I change from jack to alsa on 
the slave machine I can listen only on that slave machine, not in the 
master. 
>>>I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:16 -0700
>>>From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com
>>>To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>>Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Nacho, which direction are you trying to send live audio.?? master to slave or slave to master??? if slave to master use alsa_in on slave machine to have that audio interface as a jack client.? hope this helps.
>>>
>>>?
>>>www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory
>>>?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:54 PM
>>>>Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>Hi everybody.
>>>>
>>>>I have been doing some test with netcjack1 and jack2, sending audio between two linux pc. I can send audio from one computer to another, but only with synths and prerecorded audio tracks. When I try to use a live audio input, it doesn't works. I'm doing something wrong or it's because I'm using jack with netone? is there any way to do this if possible?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>>>Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>>>http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>>>
>
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From marc at hacklava.net  Sun Jul 28 23:50:44 2013
From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 19:50:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>


I'm sure it's been answered many times, but here's my question:
For loudness evaluation, how's EBU R128 "better" than ReplayGain?
(Or why use EBU R128 instead of ReplayGain?)
(A link to the suitable InterWeb resource would be appropriate)

B.T.W, there's another EBU R128 utility to normalize audio files:
https://github.com/jiixyj/libebur128
It can add ReplayGain tags to existing mp3 files. Nice!
I add to checkout commit 1c0e8da to avoid linking errors,
as mentioned here:
https://github.com/jiixyj/libebur128/issues/20

--
Marc

Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> a ?crit :
> > I assume the ebumeter output is more for making things sound even
> > (between different pieces) and not directly a tool to max out
> > anything, is that right?
> 
> That is absolutely right. Systems such as EBU-R128 exist because
> it makes perfect sense to make things sound even (avoiding your
> listeners having to adjust the volume all the time), while 'maxing
> out' serves no useful purpose at all - it just destroys the sound
> if taken too far. In other words, such systems exist to *stop* you
> 'maxing out' everything.
> 
> Lame's 'replaygain' meausurement has the same purpose. Note the
> value for the file in your original post: -9.1 dB. That means
> that an intelligent mp3 player will *reduce* the level of this
> file by 9.1 dB when playing it - it is already much too loud.

--
Marc


From nettings at stackingdwarves.net  Mon Jul 29 01:27:17 2013
From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 03:27:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org> <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org> <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
Message-ID: <51F5C4F5.1010900@stackingdwarves.net>

On 07/29/2013 01:50 AM, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
>
> I'm sure it's been answered many times, but here's my question:
> For loudness evaluation, how's EBU R128 "better" than ReplayGain?
> (Or why use EBU R128 instead of ReplayGain?)
> (A link to the suitable InterWeb resource would be appropriate)

ReplayGain is a laudable effort at solving the issue of arbitrary 
loudness jumps for audio consumers. More power to them :)

However, I believe the psychoacoustic "model" of EBU R128 is superior, 
although certainly not perfect (colleagues have mentioned to me ways of 
cheating R128 to achieve higher programme loudness for constant LUFS 
readings, but I've yet to see an actual demonstration).

But regardless of technical merit, I would always choose EBU 128 over 
ReplayGain, because it has the magic letters "EBU" in it, and the 
underlying measurement scheme has the even more magic "ITU".

Don't forget that any perceptive loudness normalization proposal is 
basically a "non-agression pact" in the loudness war. If you don't nuke 
my speakers (and wreck my music), I won't nuke yours. So it makes sense 
to flock around the biggest fish in the pond, because their involvement 
and statement of intent carries weight.
Until all broadcasters follow suit, those who behave are at a commercial 
disadvantage, so the whole process has all the interesting properties of 
a game theory problem.

For an euro-centric bastard like me, the European Broadcast Union is the 
mightiest normative entity in the universe. Some weird people think 
differently, but those take solace in the fact that the actual loudness 
determination is governed by an International Telecommunication Union 
standard (and that should be good enough for everyone :)
So yes, R128 is a very safe bet indeed.




-- 
J?rn Nettingsmeier
Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487

Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT

http://stackingdwarves.net


From nettings at stackingdwarves.net  Mon Jul 29 01:29:23 2013
From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 03:29:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <1375017654.712.17.camel@archlinux>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org> <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org> <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
 <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
 <51F51212.1000604@stackingdwarves.net> <1375017654.712.17.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <51F5C573.7060202@stackingdwarves.net>

On 07/28/2013 03:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 14:44 +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>> On 07/28/2013 01:27 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:45:00AM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
>>>
>>>> The "r128gain" software is not the same than "ebur128" that comes
>>>> with ebumeter.
>>>
>>> And where is the source code ?
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/r128gain/files/r128gain/1.0/r128gain-1.0-src.tar.gz/download
>>
>> haven't tried to build it, but it looks like a sane and complete source
>> package after a cursory glance.
>
> Isn't there the need to provide all used sources instead of downloading
> them?

no, there isn't. it is neither required by the gpl, nor would it be 
useful except in very rare cases.

> However, I don't care about it.

sigh.


-- 
J?rn Nettingsmeier
Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487

Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT

http://stackingdwarves.net


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Jul 29 06:00:40 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:00:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <51F5C573.7060202@stackingdwarves.net>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org> <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org> <20130728004500.1bff106d@hacklava.net>
 <20130728112733.GB31250@linuxaudio.org>
 <51F51212.1000604@stackingdwarves.net> <1375017654.712.17.camel@archlinux>
 <51F5C573.7060202@stackingdwarves.net>
Message-ID: <1375077640.2711.29.camel@q>

On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 03:29 +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> On 07/28/2013 03:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 14:44 +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > Isn't there the need to provide all used sources instead of downloading
> > them?
> 
> no, there isn't. it is neither required by the gpl, nor would it be 
> useful except in very rare cases.

Ok. I'm aware that a coder can add a list of dependencies, but I thought
if it ignores installed dependencies and include it to the own source
code, it also must be provided by the own source code. It was the first
time I saw "make" downloading dependencies and I'm surprised, since the
dependencies were already installed.

Thank you J?rn,

Ralf



From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Jul 29 09:25:31 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:25:31 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
Message-ID: <20130729092531.GA28352@linuxaudio.org>

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 07:50:44PM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
 
> I'm sure it's been answered many times, but here's my question:
> For loudness evaluation, how's EBU R128 "better" than ReplayGain?
> (Or why use EBU R128 instead of ReplayGain?)
> (A link to the suitable InterWeb resource would be appropriate)

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_1.0_specification
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_2.0_specification

The proposed RG2 spec uses the same algorithm as R-128.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From nachoen79 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 29 09:41:57 2013
From: nachoen79 at hotmail.com (Nacho -)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:41:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
In-Reply-To: <1375049083.41008.YahooMailNeo@web161705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <DUB119-W21298827A31EF57F150D00A16A0@phx.gbl>
 <1374876856.688.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <DUB119-W4129D177C68BD83CE3FD5EA16B0@phx.gbl>
 <1374963405.29371.YahooMailNeo@web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <DUB404-EAS321AF685E62A765CA54ECFCA1540@phx.gbl>,
 <1375049083.41008.YahooMailNeo@web161705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DUB119-W430A2A069D32443BAD6E49A1550@phx.gbl>

Hi David.Solved. That worked perfect.Many thanks!

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:04:43 -0700
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
To: nachoen79 at hotmail.com; tweed at lollipopfactory.com
CC: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org

Hi Nacho,
Start netjack on both machines as you described in your first post. On the slave machine run the command "alsa_in" in a terminal with your slave's sound card as argument ("alsa_in -d hw:0" if the soundcard you want to use is the first device -  '0' is for the 1st device). this will simply create a jack client for sound card on the slave machine. You can then connect this client in the qjackctl connections window to other clients (in your case probably to 'system' since that is the netjack client on slave).  run "aplay -l" (thats an L) in a terminal to see the the soundcard number (or in qjackctl setup).  run 'man alsa_in' in a terminal to learn more.  hope this
 helps.

 www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory 
        From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com
 To: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com> 
Cc: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com>; "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
 Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
   
Hi david. The live audio is running on the slave machine. I want receive it on the master but at this moment I can not do it, only works with prerecorded audio or synths.
Thanks!



El 28/07/2013, a las 00:16, "tweed" <davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com> escribi?:

Hi Nacho,
Which machine (master or slave) has the sound card through which you are running live audio?

 www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory 
        From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
 To: tweed <tweed at lollipopfactory.com>; "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org"
 <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:47 PM
 Subject: RE: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
   



Hi David, thanks for the help, but when I change from jack to alsa on 
the slave machine I can listen only on that slave machine, not in the 
master. 
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:16 -0700
From: davidtweed2003 at yahoo.com
To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] live audio on netjack1

Hi Nacho, which direction are you trying to send live audio.   master to slave or slave to
 master?   if slave to master use alsa_in on slave machine to have that audio interface as a jack client.  hope this helps.
 www.the-temp-agency.com/lollipopfactory 
        From: Nacho - <nachoen79 at hotmail.com>
 To: "linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org> 
 Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:54 PM
 Subject: [LAU] live audio on netjack1
   



Hi everybody.

I have been doing some test with netcjack1 and jack2, sending audio between two linux pc. I can send audio from one computer to another, but only with synths and prerecorded audio tracks. When I try to use a live audio input, it doesn't works. I'm doing something wrong or it's because I'm using jack with netone? is there any way to do this if possible?

Thanks!
 		 	   		  

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From hollunder at lavabit.com  Mon Jul 29 09:45:01 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:45:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130729092531.GA28352@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
 <20130729092531.GA28352@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130729114501.0d5552cc@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:25:31 +0000
Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 07:50:44PM -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote:
>  
> > I'm sure it's been answered many times, but here's my question:
> > For loudness evaluation, how's EBU R128 "better" than ReplayGain?
> > (Or why use EBU R128 instead of ReplayGain?)
> > (A link to the suitable InterWeb resource would be appropriate)
> 
> http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_1.0_specification
> http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_2.0_specification
> 
> The proposed RG2 spec uses the same algorithm as R-128.
> 
> Ciao,
> 

One of the first things I thought when I saw the R-128 talk was" Could
this be used for a better replaygain?". Very nice to see that such an
effort is underway.

Now the obvious question is: Will this work better than the old replay
gain, and by how much? Has anyone done tests?

Regards,
Philipp


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Jul 29 10:13:16 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:13:16 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130729114501.0d5552cc@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
 <20130729092531.GA28352@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130729114501.0d5552cc@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20130729101316.GB28352@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:45:01AM +0200, Philipp ?berbacher wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:25:31 +0000 Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> wrote:
> 
> > http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_1.0_specification
> > http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_2.0_specification
> > 
> > The proposed RG2 spec uses the same algorithm as R-128.
> 
> One of the first things I thought when I saw the R-128 talk was" Could
> this be used for a better replaygain?". Very nice to see that such an
> effort is underway.
> 
> Now the obvious question is: Will this work better than the old replay
> gain, and by how much? Has anyone done tests?

See the Dolby paper referenced in the second link.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Jul 29 10:24:17 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:24:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsamixer
Message-ID: <1375093457.675.12.camel@archlinux>

Hi :)

several times I got the reply that all settings of RME sound cards are
available by alsamixer, so seemingly I'm doing something wrong.

This isn't a request regarding to my RME sound card, just a question
about how to use alsamixer.

I'm missing how to set up the routing.

You for sure remember that using TotaMix on Windows I can access all 8
ADAT channels, but using TotalMix on Linux, aka hdspmixer, I only can
use ADAT channels 1 and 2, the others aren't available by jack.

hdspmixer shows a signal for all 8 ADAT channels, the signal only is
missing for jack.

So how can I use alsamixer to ensure that e.g. ADAT channel 3 is jack
capture_9? ADAT channel 1 is available by jack capture_7, channel 2 by
capture_8, but than it stops, the other captures don't get the audio
signal.

$ amixer scontents
Simple mixer control 'ADAT Frequency',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'ADAT SyncCheck',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' 'Lock' 'Sync' 'N/A'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'AES Frequency',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'AES SyncCheck',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' 'Lock' 'Sync' 'N/A'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'Chn',1
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 24 [38%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',2
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',3
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',4
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',5
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',6
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',7
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',8
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 0 [0%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',9
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',10
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',11
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',12
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',13
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 19 [30%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',14
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',15
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Chn',16
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 64
  Mono: 64 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'External Rate',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'Internal Clock',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: '48 kHz'
Simple mixer control 'Preferred Sync Reference',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'Word Clock' 'ADAT' 'AES' 'SPDIF' 'Sync In'
  Item0: 'Word Clock'
Simple mixer control 'SPDIF Frequency',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'SPDIF SyncCheck',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' 'Lock' 'Sync' 'N/A'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'SYNC IN Frequency',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'SYNC IN SyncCheck',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' 'Lock' 'Sync' 'N/A'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'System Clock Mode',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'Master' 'AutoSync'
  Item0: 'Master'
Simple mixer control 'System Sample Rate',0
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 27000 - 207000
  Mono: 48000 [12%]
Simple mixer control 'TCO Frequency',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'TCO SyncCheck',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' 'Lock' 'Sync' 'N/A'
  Item0: 'N/A'
Simple mixer control 'WC Frequency',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' '32 kHz' '44.1 kHz' '48 kHz' '64 kHz' '88.2 kHz' '96 kHz' '128 kHz' '176.4 kHz' '192 kHz'
  Item0: 'No Lock'
Simple mixer control 'WC SyncCheck',0
  Capabilities: enum
  Items: 'No Lock' 'Lock' 'Sync' 'N/A'
  Item0: 'No Lock'

Regards,
Ralf


From julien at mail.upb.de  Mon Jul 29 10:42:22 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:42:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] alsamixer
In-Reply-To: <1375093457.675.12.camel@archlinux>
References: <1375093457.675.12.camel@archlinux>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307291236050.27059@flower.world.net>

Hello Ralf!
   You say, that hdpsmixer is showing all channels and you can access them, 
right? If so, this looks more like a problem of your card's configuration then 
or of your JACK server, than a problem concerning the mixer application as 
such.
   If people say, that you can use alsamixer to setup your card, then you 
probably can. You know how to start it. You can press f5 to see all items and 
then slowly walk through the list. Left/right move between items and up/down 
change values. Tehre's is help available directly from within the mixer. It's 
not the best utility for such a complex card, since it will not map the 
structure to the screen. I suppose, that hdspmixer shows you more of the real 
structure of your card. In alsamixer routing is a one-dimensional thing. You 
need to know, which item does what. Sometimes names can be terribly 
unexplicative or at least unhelpful. Still, give it a try and see, how far you 
get. You probably have a manual for your card, which might help you with some 
questions.

But I really think, that you might have a closer look at your JACK setup. Does 
JACK show all channels? Do you have ports uto capture_16 or whatever it should 
be? Do you also have the correct number of playback ports as such? I'm not 
talking about signals, I'm just asking for the existance.

Well, I'm probably the wrong person to ask, since I won't be able to discuss 
this much further with you. I only know the systematic basics and I don't have 
a lot of experience with internal routing of cards. I'm glad my two cards work 
now. :-)

Warm regards

Julien

----------------------------------------
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Jul 29 10:56:33 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:56:33 +0200
Subject: [LAU] alsamixer
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307291236050.27059@flower.world.net>
References: <1375093457.675.12.camel@archlinux>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307291236050.27059@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <1375095393.675.21.camel@archlinux>

On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 12:42 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Do you also have the correct number of playback ports as such? I'm not
> talking about signals, I'm just asking for the existance.

capture 1 to 14

2 analog ins
2 SPDIF ins
2 AES ins
8 ADAT ins
------------
14

So they are all there.

playback 1 to 16

same as above + perhaps phones out

So they are there too.

On Windows it's possible to set up a matrix, e.g. if you have several
RME cards, you can readjust this matrix, this isn't available for _my_
Linux.
TotalMix and hdpmixer provides "submixes" and I can't see how to handle
this or how to set the matrix for the routing using alsamixer.

Thank you,
Ralf


From hollunder at lavabit.com  Mon Jul 29 13:27:33 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:27:33 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130729101316.GB28352@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
 <20130729092531.GA28352@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130729114501.0d5552cc@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <20130729101316.GB28352@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130729152733.662425a4@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:13:16 +0000
Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:45:01AM +0200, Philipp ?berbacher wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:25:31 +0000 Fons Adriaensen
> > <fons at linuxaudio.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_1.0_specification
> > > http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=ReplayGain_2.0_specification
> > > 
> > > The proposed RG2 spec uses the same algorithm as R-128.
> > 
> > One of the first things I thought when I saw the R-128 talk was"
> > Could this be used for a better replaygain?". Very nice to see that
> > such an effort is underway.
> > 
> > Now the obvious question is: Will this work better than the old
> > replay gain, and by how much? Has anyone done tests?
> 
> See the Dolby paper referenced in the second link.
> 
> Ciao,
> 

Thanks Fons,
while the paper
(http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/Assets/US/Doc/Professional/
AES128-Loudness-Normalization-Portable-Media-Players.pdf)
is interesting, it's not what I was looking for. What needs testing is
whether the loudness adjustment of RG2 compared to RG1 is perceived as
'closer to equal loudness'. When some sort of actual listening test
shows that RG2 performs significantly better, good, otherwise I don't
see the point.

I do find their recommended conversion equation questionable, they came
up with it based on their sample set plus thumb measure. There's no
telling what the results will be, but I don't expect them to be any
good.

Regards,
Philipp


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Jul 29 14:15:28 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:15:28 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130729152733.662425a4@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
 <20130729092531.GA28352@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130729114501.0d5552cc@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <20130729101316.GB28352@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130729152733.662425a4@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20130729141528.GC28352@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 03:27:33PM +0200, Philipp ?berbacher wrote:

> while the paper
> (http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/Assets/US/Doc/Professional/
> AES128-Loudness-Normalization-Portable-Media-Players.pdf)
> is interesting, it's not what I was looking for. What needs testing is
> whether the loudness adjustment of RG2 compared to RG1 is perceived as
> 'closer to equal loudness'. When some sort of actual listening test
> shows that RG2 performs significantly better, good, otherwise I don't
> see the point.

ITU-1770 on which both R-128 and RG2 are based has been tested extensively
over a long time and shown to work very well. AFAIK there was no comparable
amount of testing done on RG1. 
 
> I do find their recommended conversion equation questionable, they came
> up with it based on their sample set plus thumb measure. There's no
> telling what the results will be, but I don't expect them to be any
> good.

Why not ? The tests on the sample set (which is not small) show quite
a good agreement between the two systems. 

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From hollunder at lavabit.com  Mon Jul 29 16:21:59 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:21:59 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130729141528.GC28352@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130728195044.740eb5b0@telecino>
 <20130729092531.GA28352@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130729114501.0d5552cc@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <20130729101316.GB28352@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130729152733.662425a4@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <20130729141528.GC28352@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130729182159.417feeb9@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:15:28 +0000
Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 03:27:33PM +0200, Philipp ?berbacher wrote:
> 
> > while the paper
> > (http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/Assets/US/Doc/Professional/
> > AES128-Loudness-Normalization-Portable-Media-Players.pdf)
> > is interesting, it's not what I was looking for. What needs testing
> > is whether the loudness adjustment of RG2 compared to RG1 is
> > perceived as 'closer to equal loudness'. When some sort of actual
> > listening test shows that RG2 performs significantly better, good,
> > otherwise I don't see the point.
> 
> ITU-1770 on which both R-128 and RG2 are based has been tested
> extensively over a long time and shown to work very well. AFAIK there
> was no comparable amount of testing done on RG1. 

Really? I can't find any proper references, at least not in the latest
version of the ITU-1770 paper
(http://www.itu.int/rec/R-REC-BS.1770-3-201208-I/en). They only roughly
describe some tests, first as mostly female speech (p. 13-14), later
they claim it was a broad base of material (p. 18). I can't see any
obvious reference to details of those tests, the second referenced
paper (Evaluation of Objective Loudness Meters) seems to describe it,
but it seems this paper is not publicly accessible.

However, my point here is that it has to show its performance and
especially superiority over the established RG1 in practice, everything
else is of little significance.

> > I do find their recommended conversion equation questionable, they
> > came up with it based on their sample set plus thumb measure.
> > There's no telling what the results will be, but I don't expect
> > them to be any good.
> 
> Why not ? The tests on the sample set (which is not small) show quite
> a good agreement between the two systems. 
> 
> Ciao,

According to the R-128 paper the standard deviation of their samples
from the line they plotted there is 1dB, no idea what it is from the
slope (-1) they guessed there. Still, given to songs it could well be
2dB or more off, but my main point is that this is still with _their_
data set. I guess that with another data set the differences could be
larger and significant to the point where the error is large enough for
the conversion to be a bad thing?.

I wonder whether a better, albeit slightly more complicated way of
conversion can be found, this one was apparently chosen primarily for
its simplicity.

Don't get me wrong, I like ReplayGain, and I'd like to see further
adoption, I'm just not sure the R-128 based one will actually be better
and cause further adoption. I fear it could cause confusion and further
problems instead. Sometimes I also like to argue and see the bad parts
in everything.

On the upside, the temperature just dropped below 30? for a
change. 

Have a nice day,
Philipp


From djbarney at djbarney.org  Mon Jul 29 17:50:56 2013
From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:50:56 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>

Hi,

The Sony Minidisc (remember those?) was considered a desirable item for
live recording in its time. I'm currently experimenting with a Sony
Walkman Minidisc Net MD (Walkman MZ-N707 Type-R) that I picked up in a
charity shop for ~6 pounds. Its probably a collectors item, it was first
introduced in 2002. But I'm curious if it lives up to all the
recommendations I heard at the time from live sound recordists.

Did some seaside and other recordings just using a basic mono microphone.
Sounds OK when I play back on headphones from the device. I'm currently
transferring to my PC. The problem with the Minidisc is that it has too
much DRM on it (which is one of the reasons it failed as a technology).
Fibre optic connection only works INTO the device. Recordings cannot be
transferred off the device in digital form and have to be re-recorded
through an analog output - but the quality loss is negligible I think.
Currently looking at "linux-minidisc" for some possible ways around the
DRM.

Who knows what other second had devices are out there ? It's amazing what
you can find in charity shops as well ;)

djbarney

On Fri, July 26, 2013 2:26 pm, Philipp ??berbacher wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I finally want to buy a small field recording device, a zoom H* or
> similar, and I hope that some of you have experience with some of those
> devices and can give me some advice.
>
> I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I am,
> so it should be relatively small and and fast to start recording. I
> also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far away sources, I
> want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As far as I've seen
> those devices use SSDs or similar storage media, so I assume they don't
> make any noise on their own, right? I guess the microphone should also
> have a low self-noise.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Regards,
> Philipp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>


~~~
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From gianfranco at portalmod.com.br  Mon Jul 29 18:07:02 2013
From: gianfranco at portalmod.com.br (Gianfranco Ceccolini)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:07:02 -0300
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] - MOD Pitch Shifter
Message-ID: <CAOsA5s_LLoFQJv9u0dJAm43T36L1XhschcOjmfHtTVY7Cd-_eA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody

We are very happy to announce the MOD Pitch Shifter

https://github.com/portalmod/mod-pitchshifter.git

After some unsuccessfull time looking for a nice pitch shifter to offer in
the MOD Cloud we decided to make one ourselves. Kudos for Andre Coutinho
who did most of the coding.

We tried VocProc and Rubberband but none gave satisfactory results, the
first being too complicated and the latter yelding too much latency.

It is very simple to use - a simple semitones shift and a quality lever -
and sounds pretty nice.

The team is working on it to make it even nicer but this first version
sounds pretty good already.

It uses the fftw3 lib which is pretty common and can be installed via the
main linux repositories (ubuntu, debian, arch, etc)

Hope you all enjoy

Kind Regards

Gianfranco
The MOD Team
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From cracauer at cons.org  Mon Jul 29 18:07:20 2013
From: cracauer at cons.org (Martin Cracauer)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:07:20 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20130729180720.GA19591@cons.org>

Philipp ??berbacher wrote on Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 03:26:21PM +0200: 
> I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I am,
> so it should be relatively small and and fast to start recording. I
> also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far away sources, I
> want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As far as I've seen
> those devices use SSDs or similar storage media, so I assume they don't
> make any noise on their own, right? I guess the microphone should also
> have a low self-noise.

You can't use the Zoom H4n then.

I really like mine but it has some weaknesses that will matter more to
you, specially:
- long boot time
- deep and plain menu system, takes a while to start anything.  Crappy
  UI hardware doesn't help because it gets in the way of muscle memory
  which usually helps with bad UIs
- the maximum gain with the built in microphones is very low.  You'll
  only get decent levels for things that are normal volume to you
  standing there.  Everything that sound quiet to you will not be able
  to level out.  No way to go after birds with it without using
  external microphones
- automatic gain is overly dumb.  Any loud impulse will set the gain
  lower, permanently.  E.g. you record something and bump into the
  thing.  Now your gain has been permanently lowered and won't go back
  up

Of course I have no idea whether the alternatives are any better but
I'm sure the boot times and menu issue are better in e.g. the
Tascams.  The Tascams have their own problems, reviews on Amazon are
enlightning and they have no top end unit with all their features (top
unit is one refresh cycle behind).

For me the Zoom is very good.  It works and I even use it as a USB
soundcard in Linux and FreeBSD.  Good sound quality, reliable, lots of
options, correct input impedance for passive guitar/bass.

Martin
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org>   http://www.cons.org/cracauer/

From cracauer at cons.org  Mon Jul 29 18:13:29 2013
From: cracauer at cons.org (Martin Cracauer)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:13:29 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20130729181329.GB19591@cons.org>

To get back to the original discussion - I feel very enlightened now
and have to re-do everything I did in the last years.  Thanks, guys,
or something :-)

I have a question left, and that is that from my observation lame is
unable to predict the "correct" gain level.  Lame gives you a db value
that you can use as adjustment on the input so that you don't clip, or
how many db you are under, respectively.

I find that lowering the gain by what lame suggested in the first run
will still randomly lead to clipping and lame going back suggesting
even lower values.

Is this an inherit problem that lame can't possibly do an exact job?

I just wish lame had an option to just read the whole clip and noodle
around until it gets to a level it's happy with.

Martin
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org>   http://www.cons.org/cracauer/

From jh at brainiac.com  Mon Jul 29 18:31:04 2013
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:31:04 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
Message-ID: <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:50:56 +0100
"Barney Holmes" <djbarney at djbarney.org> wrote:
> The Sony Minidisc (remember those?) was considered a desirable item for
> live recording in its time. I'm currently experimenting with a Sony
> Walkman Minidisc Net MD (Walkman MZ-N707 Type-R) that I picked up in a
> charity shop for ~6 pounds.

I had a Sony MD for a while and it made some good recordings, but I really
got tired of the restrictions that meant I could not pull the recordings
off the disk in anything but realtime.  As far as I know, there's no way
around that restriction.  My understanding is that the unit lacks the
ability to make an outward digital connection completely.

Sony could have ruled the market, but they were so paranoid about cutting
into their music division's sales that they crippled all but the most 
expensive "pro" MD decks because HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC!  (Remember
that blast from the past?)

Sony's remained paranoid about hardware that can make exact digital copies
of media for a long time; their rootkit is another example of it.

Those two things have kept me Sony-free ever since, except for a stereo
mic that I got with the MD (an ECM-MS907) that consistently surprises me
with excellent live recordings.  After I got tired of the MD I got an
MAudio Microtrack 2496, which is nice for really portable recording, though
my older model uses a CF+ Microdrive for storage and it is showing its age.



-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Jul 29 19:28:38 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:28:38 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
 <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
Message-ID: <20130729192838.GA27373@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 02:31:04PM -0400, Joe Hartley wrote:
 
> Those two things have kept me Sony-free ever since, except for a stereo
> mic that I got with the MD (an ECM-MS907) that consistently surprises me
> with excellent live recordings. 

Sony is one of those outfits I have very mixed feelings about.

I still have their flagship short wave receiver ICF-2001D which
by now is 30 years old and still working perfectly. One of the
reasons for that is that I also got the service manual, from
the same main street HiFi shop at the equivalent of 2 Euro or
so. It has the complete circuit diagrams. Try to find that for
any piece of equipment today.

I also have a Minidisk, MZ-R70 which I've used as portable
music player for a long time. A few years ago it dropped from
the table, turning most of the display into a black blob, but
otherwise it still works. I certainly prefer the quality over
anything mp3. And yes, you could make digital copies of CDs
with it, but any attempt to copy the output digitally has 
failed so far.

They also made some very good speakers and microphones. I've
had little experience with the mics, but I liked them every
time I've used them.

Sony became sort of evil when it turned from an (excellent)
equipment manufacturer into a media multinational, with 
things like the CD rootkit and SACD as the result.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Jul 29 19:41:27 2013
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:41:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130729192838.GA27373@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
 <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
 <20130729192838.GA27373@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <1375126887.675.188.camel@archlinux>

On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 19:28 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> It has the complete circuit diagrams. Try to find that for
> any piece of equipment today.

For old German consumer HiFi gear and TVs it was included in the
delivery, no need to pay the equivalent of even 2 EUR.
Nowadays you have to pay more than 30 EUR for a rotten xerox by
Schaltungsdienst Lange oHG.

Throwaway society, it wouldn't make sense to include circuit diagrams,
exploded diagram etc., most people can't repair their gear anymore and
even if they would be able to do it, they anyway want something new
every year.


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Mon Jul 29 19:56:16 2013
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:56:16 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Gain and clipping wav -> lame
In-Reply-To: <20130729181329.GB19591@cons.org>
References: <20130725182150.GA97830@cons.org>
 <20130725194053.GA20598@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130725201420.GA58212@cons.org>
 <20130725164548.5592899f@HQ-3591-En.nfbonf.nfb.ca>
 <20130726223502.GA73801@cons.org>
 <20130727091754.GA823@linuxaudio.org>
 <20130729181329.GB19591@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130729195616.GB27373@linuxaudio.org>

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 02:13:29PM -0400, Martin Cracauer wrote:
 
> I find that lowering the gain by what lame suggested in the first run
> will still randomly lead to clipping and lame going back suggesting
> even lower values.
> 
> Is this an inherit problem that lame can't possibly do an exact job?

Maybe.
 
> I just wish lame had an option to just read the whole clip and noodle
> around until it gets to a level it's happy with.

You could probably avoid all these issues by not trying to get
the maximum level in the first place. If you record/master at
normal levels lame won't have any problems with your signals at
all.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From djbarney at djbarney.org  Mon Jul 29 20:26:56 2013
From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:26:56 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
 <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
Message-ID: <60b1dd33918f6034d3cd3bcf56ff86fb.squirrel@djbarney.org>

Any recommendations for Minidisc players that can spit out the digital
recording ? My local electronics shop still sells minidiscs :)

Looked up the Audio Microtrack 2496 - 5 pounds on ebay, but 7 days left.
djbarney

On Mon, July 29, 2013 7:31 pm, Joe Hartley wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:50:56 +0100
> "Barney Holmes" <djbarney at djbarney.org> wrote:
>> The Sony Minidisc (remember those?) was considered a desirable item for
>> live recording in its time. I'm currently experimenting with a Sony
>> Walkman Minidisc Net MD (Walkman MZ-N707 Type-R) that I picked up in a
>> charity shop for ~6 pounds.
>
> I had a Sony MD for a while and it made some good recordings, but I really
> got tired of the restrictions that meant I could not pull the recordings
> off the disk in anything but realtime.  As far as I know, there's no way
> around that restriction.  My understanding is that the unit lacks the
> ability to make an outward digital connection completely.
>
> Sony could have ruled the market, but they were so paranoid about cutting
> into their music division's sales that they crippled all but the most
> expensive "pro" MD decks because HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC!  (Remember
> that blast from the past?)
>
> Sony's remained paranoid about hardware that can make exact digital copies
> of media for a long time; their rootkit is another example of it.
>
> Those two things have kept me Sony-free ever since, except for a stereo
> mic that I got with the MD (an ECM-MS907) that consistently surprises me
> with excellent live recordings.  After I got tired of the MD I got an
> MAudio Microtrack 2496, which is nice for really portable recording,
> though
> my older model uses a CF+ Microdrive for storage and it is showing its
> age.
>
>
>
> --
> ======================================================================
>        Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
>  Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>


~~~
Home site - http://djbarney.org


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Jul 30 08:19:28 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:19:28 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130729192838.GA27373@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
 <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
 <20130729192838.GA27373@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <51F77710.4030406@hawaii.rr.com>

On 07/29/2013 09:28 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

> Sony became sort of evil when it turned from an (excellent)
> equipment manufacturer into a media multinational, with
> things like the CD rootkit and SACD as the result.

The only part of Sony making money is its insurance division. The 
equipment and media divisions are both running losses.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From hollunder at lavabit.com  Tue Jul 30 08:56:04 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:56:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130729180720.GA19591@cons.org>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <20130729180720.GA19591@cons.org>
Message-ID: <20130730105604.512da586@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:07:20 -0400
Martin Cracauer <cracauer at cons.org> wrote:

> Philipp ??berbacher wrote on Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 03:26:21PM +0200: 
> > I want to use this device to record interesting sounds wherever I
> > am, so it should be relatively small and and fast to start
> > recording. I also intend to record lots of quiet or relatively far
> > away sources, I want to record bird songs rather than guitars. As
> > far as I've seen those devices use SSDs or similar storage media,
> > so I assume they don't make any noise on their own, right? I guess
> > the microphone should also have a low self-noise.
> 
> You can't use the Zoom H4n then.
> 
> I really like mine but it has some weaknesses that will matter more to
> you, specially:
> - long boot time
> - deep and plain menu system, takes a while to start anything.  Crappy
>   UI hardware doesn't help because it gets in the way of muscle memory
>   which usually helps with bad UIs
> - the maximum gain with the built in microphones is very low.  You'll
>   only get decent levels for things that are normal volume to you
>   standing there.  Everything that sound quiet to you will not be able
>   to level out.  No way to go after birds with it without using
>   external microphones
> - automatic gain is overly dumb.  Any loud impulse will set the gain
>   lower, permanently.  E.g. you record something and bump into the
>   thing.  Now your gain has been permanently lowered and won't go back
>   up
> 
> Of course I have no idea whether the alternatives are any better but
> I'm sure the boot times and menu issue are better in e.g. the
> Tascams.  The Tascams have their own problems, reviews on Amazon are
> enlightning and they have no top end unit with all their features (top
> unit is one refresh cycle behind).
> 
> For me the Zoom is very good.  It works and I even use it as a USB
> soundcard in Linux and FreeBSD.  Good sound quality, reliable, lots of
> options, correct input impedance for passive guitar/bass.
> 
> Martin

Thanks Martin,
given what I read by you and others I wont buy a zoom. I'm not sure yet
what it will be. I wanted to ask on the nature recordist mailing list,
but membership is moderated and there has been no response yet. Guess
I'll dig deeper into their mail archive.

Regards,
Philipp


From hollunder at lavabit.com  Tue Jul 30 09:06:08 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:06:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
Message-ID: <20130730110608.3e40cd07@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:50:56 +0100
"Barney Holmes" <djbarney at djbarney.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The Sony Minidisc (remember those?) was considered a desirable item
> for live recording in its time. I'm currently experimenting with a
> Sony Walkman Minidisc Net MD (Walkman MZ-N707 Type-R) that I picked
> up in a charity shop for ~6 pounds. Its probably a collectors item,
> it was first introduced in 2002. But I'm curious if it lives up to
> all the recommendations I heard at the time from live sound
> recordists.
> 
> Did some seaside and other recordings just using a basic mono
> microphone. Sounds OK when I play back on headphones from the device.
> I'm currently transferring to my PC. The problem with the Minidisc is
> that it has too much DRM on it (which is one of the reasons it failed
> as a technology). Fibre optic connection only works INTO the device.
> Recordings cannot be transferred off the device in digital form and
> have to be re-recorded through an analog output - but the quality
> loss is negligible I think. Currently looking at "linux-minidisc" for
> some possible ways around the DRM.
> 
> Who knows what other second had devices are out there ? It's amazing
> what you can find in charity shops as well ;)
> 
> djbarney

I had one of those, many years ago. I only used it as a music player,
but I had to use some really buggy sony software to get any music on
it, and it was in some obscure format. Not too long
after the first mp3 players showed up and then the ipod hype started.
That was pretty much the end of MD. I know there are some enthusiasts
left, but I don't shed a tear.

Regards,
Philipp


From jh at brainiac.com  Tue Jul 30 12:30:32 2013
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:30:32 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <51F77710.4030406@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
 <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
 <20130729192838.GA27373@linuxaudio.org>
 <51F77710.4030406@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20130730083032.53562d166332192f39309ec2@brainiac.com>

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:19:28 -1000
david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> On 07/29/2013 09:28 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> 
> > Sony became sort of evil when it turned from an (excellent)
> > equipment manufacturer into a media multinational, with
> > things like the CD rootkit and SACD as the result.
> 
> The only part of Sony making money is its insurance division. The 
> equipment and media divisions are both running losses.

"Ha ha!"
   - Nelson Muntz

I have been thinking about other Sony gear I've had - one of the best
monitors I ever had was a big Trinitron monitor on a Sun workstation.
Absolutely stunning graphics back in the early 80s.  It's too bad that
their ham-fisted attempts at customer control (along with the standard
music industry panic over losing the traditional distribution model)
cause a lot of people to choose other companies to do business with.

"I said, 'Ha ha!'"
    - Nelson Muntz

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

From linux at alextone.info  Tue Jul 30 15:01:04 2013
From: linux at alextone.info (Alex)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:01:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <20130730083032.53562d166332192f39309ec2@brainiac.com>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
 <37625f97eba1e2d108adc5b461c8a3d2.squirrel@djbarney.org>
 <20130729143104.782197f50b601f55708c219e@brainiac.com>
 <20130729192838.GA27373@linuxaudio.org> <51F77710.4030406@hawaii.rr.com>
 <20130730083032.53562d166332192f39309ec2@brainiac.com>
Message-ID: <51F7D530.5080606@alextone.info>

On 07/30/2013 02:30 PM, Joe Hartley wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:19:28 -1000
> david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/29/2013 09:28 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>>
>>> Sony became sort of evil when it turned from an (excellent)
>>> equipment manufacturer into a media multinational, with
>>> things like the CD rootkit and SACD as the result.
>> The only part of Sony making money is its insurance division. The 
>> equipment and media divisions are both running losses.
> "Ha ha!"
>    - Nelson Muntz
>
> I have been thinking about other Sony gear I've had - one of the best
> monitors I ever had was a big Trinitron monitor on a Sun workstation.
> Absolutely stunning graphics back in the early 80s.  It's too bad that
> their ham-fisted attempts at customer control (along with the standard
> music industry panic over losing the traditional distribution model)
> cause a lot of people to choose other companies to do business with.
>
> "I said, 'Ha ha!'"
>     - Nelson Muntz
>
Sony, the Monsanto of the media world?

Alex.

From wizardofgosz at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 15:22:21 2013
From: wizardofgosz at gmail.com (Ricardus Vincente)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:22:21 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
In-Reply-To: <51F7D530.5080606@alextone.info>
References: <20130726152621.5a4b65f8@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
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On 07/30/2013 11:01 AM, Alex wrote:

>> I have been thinking about other Sony gear I've had - one of the best
>> monitors I ever had was a big Trinitron monitor on a Sun workstation.
>> Absolutely stunning graphics back in the early 80s.  It's too bad that
>> their ham-fisted attempts at customer control (along with the standard
>> music industry panic over losing the traditional distribution model)
>> cause a lot of people to choose other companies to do business with.
>>
>> "I said, 'Ha ha!'"
>>     - Nelson Muntz
>>
> Sony, the Monsanto of the media world?

 I had two of their 17" Trinitron monitors back in the day, and they
were stunning to look at.

 One of my favorite outboard reverbs was the Sony DPS-R7. Sounded
amazing. Was my go-to reverb in a studio I worked at in the late 90s. I
see there is one for sale on Ebay... if I just had some spare cash!

 Their 3324 and 3348 digital decks were pretty cool back in the day.

 The Sony Oxford was an amazing large format digital desk, and even the
smaller DMX-R100 was pretty cool.

 Anyway, at one time Sony was cool and had an amazing Pro Audio
heritage. Now they make a gaming console.

 Welcome to the new world!

 Rich...

From kvutter at frii.com  Wed Jul 31 03:30:50 2013
From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:30:50 -0600
Subject: [LAU] Jack.Plumbing
Message-ID: <CC571C4D-B7DB-445C-A93F-DEBDA2A660E1@frii.com>

Hi all! I wanted to use Jack.Plumbing with some connect-exclusive rules for when certain apps were up. But it seems that connect-exclusive rules can
create a loop effect where connections are made and remade unnecessarially. Is something wrong with my Jack.plumbing, or am I not understanding something? It seems to be a problem even if I don't have other rules that would go against the exclusive ones, so that just using an exclusive rule at all results in this looping. 

Those of you using Jack.Plumbing, are you constantly re-writing the rules, or can't you use exclusive rules to change the setup when other apps run without manually removing all other rules? 

Thanks much.

Kevin

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Jul 31 06:11:53 2013
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:11:53 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Looking for advice on a field recording device
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On 07/30/2013 02:30 AM, Joe Hartley wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:19:28 -1000
> david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/29/2013 09:28 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>>
>>> Sony became sort of evil when it turned from an (excellent)
>>> equipment manufacturer into a media multinational, with
>>> things like the CD rootkit and SACD as the result.
>>
>> The only part of Sony making money is its insurance division. The
>> equipment and media divisions are both running losses.
>
> "Ha ha!"
>     - Nelson Muntz
>
> I have been thinking about other Sony gear I've had - one of the best
> monitors I ever had was a big Trinitron monitor on a Sun workstation.
> Absolutely stunning graphics back in the early 80s.  It's too bad that
> their ham-fisted attempts at customer control (along with the standard
> music industry panic over losing the traditional distribution model)
> cause a lot of people to choose other companies to do business with.
>
> "I said, 'Ha ha!'"
>      - Nelson Muntz

I have a couple pieces of Sony consumer stuff around here - a small 
boombox with decent sound quality and stereo line in, and an alarm 
clock. They've outlasted many other such non-Sony stuff I've had over 
the years.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 31 07:48:01 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:48:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>

Hello everyone!
   Here's your dance delivery. It's totally free and I don't even want a tip. 
:-)
   Before we get to the download links, two things, that are important to me.
   Alexandre Ratchov: your Midish is a fantastic piece of software! With some 
of my own "user defined commands" it was a piece of cake to do this! So, if 
you haven't heard of Midish, take a look and don't forget to RTFM, because 
it's very well-written and complete!
   Second: Joel, you know, tat Nama is cool, but the new Hotkeys mode really 
rocks!
   And here are the links:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.ogg
http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.mp3
   Or as ever from the website:
http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
   This piece wouldn't have been possible without a MIDI sequencer with 
quantisation, cut/copy&paste and all the other tools of trade such programs 
bring into the equation. There were no software synthesizers used in this 
song, next time perhaps. :-) The main piece of equipment is a Roland JV-1080, 
so it's authentic at least. :-)
   I guess with such music, there are only two ways about it: love it or leave 
it. :-) Which one is it for you?
   Warm regards
         Julien

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From gabbe.nord at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 08:18:54 2013
From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:18:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <CAL=sEa3YhArOqE9HL2PkzUi-v2ZkGzsQ1oSe2Zw-siBnxUhFOA@mail.gmail.com>

Haha, maan that brought me back to my childhood! It reminds me so much of
the first song I remember really really liking, which was "Get Freaky" with
Music Instructor.
Pretty different to what I've heard from you earlier, and while it's not
something I'd listen to normally, I certainly do appreciate it. There's
something about the combination of nostalgia and a pretty smooth beat that
makes me feel care free.

Really cool Julien, keep it coming!

/Gabriel



On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>   Here's your dance delivery. It's totally free and I don't even want a
> tip. :-)
>   Before we get to the download links, two things, that are important to
> me.
>   Alexandre Ratchov: your Midish is a fantastic piece of software! With
> some of my own "user defined commands" it was a piece of cake to do this!
> So, if you haven't heard of Midish, take a look and don't forget to RTFM,
> because it's very well-written and complete!
>   Second: Joel, you know, tat Nama is cool, but the new Hotkeys mode
> really rocks!
>   And here are the links:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_**frank.ogg<http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.ogg>
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_**frank.mp3<http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.mp3>
>   Or as ever from the website:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>   This piece wouldn't have been possible without a MIDI sequencer with
> quantisation, cut/copy&paste and all the other tools of trade such programs
> bring into the equation. There were no software synthesizers used in this
> song, next time perhaps. :-) The main piece of equipment is a Roland
> JV-1080, so it's authentic at least. :-)
>   I guess with such music, there are only two ways about it: love it or
> leave it. :-) Which one is it for you?
>   Warm regards
>         Julien
>
> ------------------------------**----------
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 31 09:58:51 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:58:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
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Hello Gabriel!
   Thanks a lot for these kind words. If it takes you back there, I reached my 
goal. :-) If be freaky is one of your childhood tunes, then you must obviously 
be a little younger than me. Well: the young to the power and the top! :-)
   Not dancingly yours
         Julien

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From allcoms at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 10:17:21 2013
From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:17:21 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
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Is it a Technotronic vs MARRS revival collaboration or LA's / NAMA's most
prolific user having some fun?

Not really the sort of music I'd listen to out of choice any more if I'm
honest but I'm always interested to hear what you've been up to Julien. You
never know what to expect with your recordings and you seem to be able to
knock out a good tune in any genre.

Not tried MIDISH myself yet, will have to add that to my overly long list
of stuff I should check out.

Thanks for sharing Julien!


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>   Here's your dance delivery. It's totally free and I don't even want a
> tip. :-)
>   Before we get to the download links, two things, that are important to
> me.
>   Alexandre Ratchov: your Midish is a fantastic piece of software! With
> some of my own "user defined commands" it was a piece of cake to do this!
> So, if you haven't heard of Midish, take a look and don't forget to RTFM,
> because it's very well-written and complete!
>   Second: Joel, you know, tat Nama is cool, but the new Hotkeys mode
> really rocks!
>   And here are the links:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_**frank.ogg<http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.ogg>
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_**frank.mp3<http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.mp3>
>   Or as ever from the website:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
>   This piece wouldn't have been possible without a MIDI sequencer with
> quantisation, cut/copy&paste and all the other tools of trade such programs
> bring into the equation. There were no software synthesizers used in this
> song, next time perhaps. :-) The main piece of equipment is a Roland
> JV-1080, so it's authentic at least. :-)
>   I guess with such music, there are only two ways about it: love it or
> leave it. :-) Which one is it for you?
>   Warm regards
>         Julien
>
> ------------------------------**----------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html<http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html>
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From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 31 10:25:52 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:25:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
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Hello Dan!
   Haha! No it's just me having the time of my life! :-) It was tremendous fun. 
Just to experience that way of working, recording a few snipets, using loops, 
stacking tracks and creating "interest" by adding or removing bits of the 
arrangement. I think now, taht this is done, I might move on to my slightly 
dubstep influenced dream track. :-)
   Warmly yours
         Julien

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From hollunder at lavabit.com  Wed Jul 31 11:23:56 2013
From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:23:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
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References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <20130731132356.44fa1358@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:48:01 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen <julien at mail.upb.de> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>    Here's your dance delivery. It's totally free and I don't even
> want a tip. :-)
>    Before we get to the download links, two things, that are
> important to me. Alexandre Ratchov: your Midish is a fantastic piece
> of software! With some of my own "user defined commands" it was a
> piece of cake to do this! So, if you haven't heard of Midish, take a
> look and don't forget to RTFM, because it's very well-written and
> complete! Second: Joel, you know, tat Nama is cool, but the new
> Hotkeys mode really rocks!
>    And here are the links:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.ogg
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.mp3
>    Or as ever from the website:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
>    This piece wouldn't have been possible without a MIDI sequencer
> with quantisation, cut/copy&paste and all the other tools of trade
> such programs bring into the equation. There were no software
> synthesizers used in this song, next time perhaps. :-) The main piece
> of equipment is a Roland JV-1080, so it's authentic at least. :-)
>    I guess with such music, there are only two ways about it: love it
> or leave it. :-) Which one is it for you?
>    Warm regards
>          Julien

Cool track, thanks Julien. It reminds me of some 90s music I like, your
song is just a bit busier.
I like it :)

Regards,
Philipp


From alf at mellomrommet.no  Wed Jul 31 12:56:55 2013
From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:56:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <51F90997.4030801@mellomrommet.no>



On 31. juli 2013 09:48, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello everyone!
>    Here's your dance delivery. It's totally free and I don't even want a
> tip. :-)
>    Before we get to the download links, two things, that are important
> to me.
>    Alexandre Ratchov: your Midish is a fantastic piece of software! With
> some of my own "user defined commands" it was a piece of cake to do
> this! So, if you haven't heard of Midish, take a look and don't forget
> to RTFM, because it's very well-written and complete!
>    Second: Joel, you know, tat Nama is cool, but the new Hotkeys mode
> really rocks!
>    And here are the links:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.ogg
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.mp3
>    Or as ever from the website:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
>    This piece wouldn't have been possible without a MIDI sequencer with
> quantisation, cut/copy&paste and all the other tools of trade such
> programs bring into the equation. There were no software synthesizers
> used in this song, next time perhaps. :-) The main piece of equipment is
> a Roland JV-1080, so it's authentic at least. :-)
>    I guess with such music, there are only two ways about it: love it or
> leave it. :-) Which one is it for you?
>    Warm regards
>          Julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

Well,

It sounds like the 90's are back, albeit with a touch of the 80's too. 
When this kind of music was in fashion I really couldn't stand it, but 
those extra years must have softened me a bit. Now, there's a touch of 
nostalgia...

As for the track I get the feeling it was made more for the fun of it 
than this actually being the "new you". It's catchy and well put 
together, but with too little progression and dynamics to make me listen 
multiple times.

Thanks for sharing!

Alf

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 31 13:11:24 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:11:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
In-Reply-To: <51F90997.4030801@mellomrommet.no>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
 <51F90997.4030801@mellomrommet.no>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307311508590.16909@flower.world.net>

Hello Alf!
   No this isn't the new me.It's an old me peaking out and having a day on the 
beach. :-) But it was also an outing for my new and partly old acquaintances 
being once more with me. I had to go a while without a few of my sounds and 
others were completely new here in my synth gathering. :-)
   Warm regards
          Julien

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From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr  Wed Jul 31 14:52:31 2013
From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:52:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <201307311652.31221.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>

On Wednesday 31 July 2013 09:48, Julien Claassen wrote:
Hi Julien,
Now that really is my kind of music, great stuff. Now I'll have to get the 
decks back out and get mixing again.
Nigel.
> Hello everyone!
>    Here's your dance delivery. It's totally free and I don't even want a
> tip.
>
> :-)
>
>    Before we get to the download links, two things, that are important to
> me. Alexandre Ratchov: your Midish is a fantastic piece of software! With
> some of my own "user defined commands" it was a piece of cake to do this!
> So, if you haven't heard of Midish, take a look and don't forget to RTFM,
> because it's very well-written and complete!
>    Second: Joel, you know, tat Nama is cool, but the new Hotkeys mode
> really rocks!
>    And here are the links:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.ogg
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/be_frank.mp3
>    Or as ever from the website:
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
>    This piece wouldn't have been possible without a MIDI sequencer with
> quantisation, cut/copy&paste and all the other tools of trade such programs
> bring into the equation. There were no software synthesizers used in this
> song, next time perhaps. :-) The main piece of equipment is a Roland
> JV-1080, so it's authentic at least. :-)
>    I guess with such music, there are only two ways about it: love it or
> leave it. :-) Which one is it for you?
>    Warm regards
>          Julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 31 14:57:31 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:57:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [New music]: Some eurodance - Be Frank
In-Reply-To: <201307311652.31221.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307310942140.16909@flower.world.net>
 <201307311652.31221.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307311654240.16909@flower.world.net>

Hello you two!
   Ha, so that was the secret. Making catchy, flashy electronic music. :-) It 
also shows me - and hopefully others-, that there is a good text-based way 
even for that genre. and hopefully it might attract a few more to Nama and 
Midish.
   Advertisingly yours
         Julien

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From axeldenstore at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 15:58:01 2013
From: axeldenstore at gmail.com (alexander)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:58:01 +0300
Subject: [LAU] two new tracks
Message-ID: <51F93409.1000904@gmail.com>

They are actually not that new, It's some 95% finished stuff I found 
when I cleaned my ardour sessions folder and figured I might just finish 
and release it..

The first track is simply based around a drum improv track I did when I 
got my new drums last summer..
Second one is a slow, ambient, Gybe inspired piece that I don't even 
remember when I started, ancient stuff...


http://vortexofinfiniteirony.bandcamp.com/

I think I'll post later stuff under this new name instead of 
sharpattack, I want a name that at least used to give zero hits on 
google.. (It's alot easier to stalk yourself then, ie feed your ego)

I made the cover with mypaint, a really satisfying experience. Because 
usually I really suck at painting, I mean REEALLY suck.. but I'm very 
happy how the cover turned out. Didn't take all that long either, maby 
abit over an hour or so...

From julien at mail.upb.de  Wed Jul 31 19:09:50 2013
From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:09:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] two new tracks
In-Reply-To: <51F93409.1000904@gmail.com>
References: <51F93409.1000904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307312055090.16909@flower.world.net>

Hello Alexander!
   Before I start spreading my opinions through this aether, there's only one 
point: the two songs I have, appear to be the same. Is that meant to be? 
Perhaps different mixes? I haven't compared them that minutely yet.
   It's not, what I would listen to all day or regularly buy at the shop, but 
that only makes it more interesting to the habitual ear. :-) the first part 
reminded me of a crime play from Sweden. OK, it's German translation. but the 
slightly menacing, dark atmosphere. Slow, oppressive and somewhat mysterious. 
Aided by the radio sample/effect. The dragging rhythm really helps this 
impression. I would have liked your drumkit even more, if you had dampened the 
snare, until it was dead as a door nail. :-) That's my bad 70s influence, not 
to be confused with my good 70s influence. :-)
   the second song has a much lighter tone. Still dusky or better night-timely. 
Especially playing it with the rimshot at the beginning, opens it up. You have 
the feeling, that you can breathe more easily. My association for this piece 
would be more towards Raymond Chandler than Marie Jungsted. - Ah, stupid me, I 
just had the revelation, that I have both pieces only in one file. :-) And I 
thought it was a two part piece. :-) It' wasn't a glitch in either aether or 
radio, but in my brain. :-)
   And mix and processing of both tunes is nicely done. Unobtrusive, but not 
colourless. The mix itself sounds warm and open, it is alive, able to breathe 
and convey, that there was a human being playing living instruments. Were they 
all real, acoustic instruments? To my ear they sound like it. If so, did you 
play them all yourself? Again if so: double chapot! For two very impressive - 
or expressive - pieces and good playing skills. Certainly those two pieces 
swept me away in their atmosphere much more than the trace of events. I also 
like the mix better, when comparing those two or three. They do set a much 
darker scene than Surfing the Waves of Creation and they moe farther away from 
everyday jazz harmonies. At least I think so. Not, that I'm a jazz expert... 
These two have personality.
   Thanks a lot for sharing and keep us posted with any other odd projects, 
that you just happen to find and finish. :-)
   Warm regards
          Julien

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http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html

From lists at quirq.net  Wed Jul 31 20:11:29 2013
From: lists at quirq.net (Q)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:11:29 +0100
Subject: [LAU] two new tracks
In-Reply-To: <51F93409.1000904@gmail.com>
References: <51F93409.1000904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51F96F71.8090008@quirq.net>

On 31/07/13 16:58, alexander wrote:
> They are actually not that new, It's some 95% finished stuff I found
> when I cleaned my ardour sessions folder and figured I might just finish
> and release it..
> 
> The first track is simply based around a drum improv track I did when I
> got my new drums last summer..
> Second one is a slow, ambient, Gybe inspired piece that I don't even
> remember when I started, ancient stuff...
> 
> 
> http://vortexofinfiniteirony.bandcamp.com/
> 
> I think I'll post later stuff under this new name instead of
> sharpattack, I want a name that at least used to give zero hits on
> google.. (It's alot easier to stalk yourself then, ie feed your ego)
> 
> I made the cover with mypaint, a really satisfying experience. Because
> usually I really suck at painting, I mean REEALLY suck.. but I'm very
> happy how the cover turned out. Didn't take all that long either, maby
> abit over an hour or so...


Just listening to Glitch. Cool. Great late night stuff, not that it
currently is here, but nevermind :-)

It reminds me of the bits of Univers Zero I've heard, early Anekdoten,
Goblin and Morte Macabre (half of Anekdoten plus others doing covers of
Goblin and other horror soundtrack music). The radio brought to mind the
end of MM's cover of Fabio Frizzi's Apoteosi Del Mistero from one of the
Living Dead films, with its snippet of (I think Russian) radio picked up
by mistake on someone's amp.

The mix is quite nice, but a bit muddy for my taste tending towards
being a bit dull in places. There were one or two points where I think
the drums were overpowering some of the other instruments just a little.

Ocean In The Radio is not the sort of thing I'd normally listen to, a
bit too ambient and lacking in structure for my liking. But it sounded
good and very well executed. The mix was great.

Thanks for sharing

Q


From axeldenstore at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 21:01:29 2013
From: axeldenstore at gmail.com (alexander)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 00:01:29 +0300
Subject: [LAU] two new tracks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307312055090.16909@flower.world.net>
References: <51F93409.1000904@gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307312055090.16909@flower.world.net>
Message-ID: <51F97B29.2050109@gmail.com>

On 31/07/13 22:09, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello Alexander!
>   Before I start spreading my opinions through this aether, there's 
> only one point: the two songs I have, appear to be the same. Is that 
> meant to be? Perhaps different mixes? I haven't compared them that 
> minutely yet.
>   It's not, what I would listen to all day or regularly buy at the 
> shop, but that only makes it more interesting to the habitual ear. :-) 
> the first part reminded me of a crime play from Sweden. OK, it's 
> German translation. but the slightly menacing, dark atmosphere. Slow, 
> oppressive and somewhat mysterious. Aided by the radio sample/effect. 
> The dragging rhythm really helps this impression. I would have liked 
> your drumkit even more, if you had dampened the snare, until it was 
> dead as a door nail. :-) That's my bad 70s influence, not to be 
> confused with my good 70s influence. :-)
>   the second song has a much lighter tone. Still dusky or better 
> night-timely. Especially playing it with the rimshot at the beginning, 
> opens it up. You have the feeling, that you can breathe more easily. 
> My association for this piece would be more towards Raymond Chandler 
> than Marie Jungsted. - Ah, stupid me, I just had the revelation, that 
> I have both pieces only in one file. :-) And I thought it was a two 
> part piece. :-) It' wasn't a glitch in either aether or radio, but in 
> my brain. :-)
>   And mix and processing of both tunes is nicely done. Unobtrusive, 
> but not colourless. The mix itself sounds warm and open, it is alive, 
> able to breathe and convey, that there was a human being playing 
> living instruments. Were they all real, acoustic instruments? To my 
> ear they sound like it. If so, did you play them all yourself? Again 
> if so: double chapot! For two very impressive - or expressive - pieces 
> and good playing skills. Certainly those two pieces swept me away in 
> their atmosphere much more than the trace of events. I also like the 
> mix better, when comparing those two or three. They do set a much 
> darker scene than Surfing the Waves of Creation and they moe farther 
> away from everyday jazz harmonies. At least I think so. Not, that I'm 
> a jazz expert... These two have personality.
>   Thanks a lot for sharing and keep us posted with any other odd 
> projects, that you just happen to find and finish. :-)
>   Warm regards
>          Julien
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html
>

Oh sorry Julien, I mixed up the download links, I decided to change the 
name of one of the songs ;P dunno why there's a complete file of the 
other 'name' tho..
Here they are again, if anyone else don't/can't/won't use flash/java for 
bandcamp.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16547648/Glitch%20In%20The%20Aether.flac
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16547648/Ocean%20In%20The%20Radio.flac

And yes as allways every instrumment is "real" and played, except some 
of the effects.. I use yoshimi for the distorted sound(second half of 
the song) in 'ocean in the radio' and for the "glitchy" sound in 
glitch.. the rest of the effects are various cymbal effects, bowls and 
stuff.. For instance; tapping a cymbal softly then moving a mic so it 
gets within a centimeter of the cymbal produces some interesting 
sounds.. The radio is a manual seek AM reviever that I played around 
with.. The ringy sound in the beginning and first half of 'Ocean' is a 
minute long cymbal effect track that I loaded into lv2-ir convolution 
plug and ran the piano through it..