From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 1 04:54:53 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:54:53 -1000 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: <51A93938.5090805@stackingdwarves.net> References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> <51A93938.5090805@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <51A97E9D.4020400@hawaii.rr.com> On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote: >> 31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti: >>> On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote: >>>> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, J?rn Nettingsmeier ha scritto: >>>>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote: >>>>> >>>>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D >>>> >>>> +1 ;) >>> >>> I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For >>> instance, never >>> figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image. >>> >>> So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-) >>> >>> But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, >>> neither support >>> using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. (Well, >>> near as I >>> can tell about Darktable.) >>> >> Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and >> confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame. > > unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes > with excellent documentation. > > very much like all other open source programs that come with > documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do what I want to do with it. > exporting a processed image happens with the "export" feature in the > lighttable view (surprise!). Where's that hiding? I never once saw it. > and not only does it support multiple cores > where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does > openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it. > > if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a refreshing > sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a learning curve... But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable have UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE FINE MANUAL. Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5 different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and architectural drafting in middle school! > ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable fanboy, and i'll leave it at that > :-D That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a MIDI file derived from the graphic image? See, now we're on-topic again. ;-) -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Jun 1 08:39:49 2013 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:39:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Vee One Suite 0.3.3 - Late spring blossoming Message-ID: <51A9B355.6010902@rncbc.org> hello june, a new batch of the so called Vee One Suite of old-school software instruments is out: synthv1 [1] polyphonic synthesizer, samplv1 [2] polyphonic sampler and drumkv1 [3] drum-kit sampler, are slowly maturing. as before delivered still in dual forms, each with their own amenities: - a pure stand-alone JACK client with JACK-session, NSM (Non session management) and both JACK MIDI and ALSA MIDI input support; - a LV2 instrument plugin. major release highlights: - LV2 External UI extension support; - NSM (Non session management) support. aha, and each one of the contraptions also got their own ordinary icon color personalities, whatever. I'm sure you'll notice. all free, open-source Linux Audio software, distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later. there they are: [1] synthv1 - an old-school polyphonic synthesizer synthv1 is an old-school all-digital 4-oscillator subtractive polyphonic synthesizer with stereo fx. LV2 URI: http://synthv1.sourceforge.net/lv2 website: http://synthv1.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/synthv1/files - source tarball: http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.3.tar.gz - source package: http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.3-10.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.3-10.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://download.sourceforge.net/synthv1/synthv1-0.3.3-10.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm [2] samplv1 - an old-school polyphonic sampler samplv1 is an(other) old-school all-digital polyphonic sampler synthesizer with stereo fx. LV2 URI: http://samplv1.sourceforge.net/lv2 website: http://samplv1.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/samplv1/files - source tarball: http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.3.tar.gz - source package: http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.3-10.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.3-10.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://download.sourceforge.net/samplv1/samplv1-0.3.3-10.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm [3] drumkv1 - an old-school drum-kit sampler drumkv1 is (yet) an(other) old-school all-digital drum-kit sampler synthesizer with stereo fx. LV2 URI: http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net/lv2 website: http://drumkv1.sourceforge.net downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/drumkv1/files - source tarball: http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.3.tar.gz - source package: http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.3-6.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages: http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.3-6.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://download.sourceforge.net/drumkv1/drumkv1-0.3.3-6.rncbc.suse123.x86_84.rpm see also: http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/661 enjoy && rave on! -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From fedelogy at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 09:30:46 2013 From: fedelogy at gmail.com (Federico Bruni) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 11:30:46 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2013/5/31 Jouni Rinne > 31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti: > > On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote: > >> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, J?rn Nettingsmeier ha scritto: > >>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote: > >>> > >>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D > >> > >> +1 ;) > > > > I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For > instance, never > > figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image. > > > > So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-) > > > > But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, neither > support > > using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. (Well, > near as I > > can tell about Darktable.) > > > Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and > confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame. > > I remember I was confused at first, but I learned quickly by watching some screencasts: http://www.darktable.org/resources/#screencasts I think that the UI of Darktable is great, especially the last version (view of modules is improved, for example) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hollunder at lavabit.com Sat Jun 1 09:40:35 2013 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 11:40:35 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: <51A97E9D.4020400@hawaii.rr.com> References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> <51A93938.5090805@stackingdwarves.net> <51A97E9D.4020400@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130601114035.5a8f5714@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Fri, 31 May 2013 18:54:53 -1000 david wrote: > On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote: > >> 31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti: > >>> On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote: > >>>> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, J?rn Nettingsmeier ha scritto: > >>>>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D > >>>> > >>>> +1 ;) > >>> > >>> I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For > >>> instance, never > >>> figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image. > >>> > >>> So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-) > >>> > >>> But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, > >>> neither support > >>> using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. > >>> (Well, near as I > >>> can tell about Darktable.) > >>> > >> Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most > >> un-intuitive and confusing interface I've seen in any program. A > >> shame. > > > > unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes > > with excellent documentation. > > > > very much like all other open source programs that come with > > documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D > > I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do > what I want to do with it. > > > exporting a processed image happens with the "export" feature in the > > lighttable view (surprise!). > > Where's that hiding? I never once saw it. > > > and not only does it support multiple cores > > where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does > > openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it. > > > > if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a > > refreshing sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a > > learning curve... > > But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable > have UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE > FINE MANUAL. > > Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5 > different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only > thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and > architectural drafting in middle school! > > > ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable fanboy, and i'll leave it at > > that :-D > > That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a > MIDI file derived from the graphic image? > > See, now we're on-topic again. ;-) > If not, you could write a little script that does the following: RAW -> darktable -> BMP -> arss -> WAV -> ^ | | MIDI | | | | | | LY | | | lilypond | | | PDF | | | denemo (notation OCR) | | BMP <- BMP header + MIDI <- MIDI Regards, Philipp From djbarney at djbarney.org Sat Jun 1 16:41:04 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:41:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: <20130601114035.5a8f5714@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> <51A93938.5090805@stackingdwarves.net> <51A97E9D.4020400@hawaii.rr.com> <20130601114035.5a8f5714@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: Or there's this ... https://github.com/markandrus/Sonify#readme "Sonify is a JACK plugin I hacked together that encodes images into audio and vice-versa, in realtime. That is, given an image, Sonify generates a matrix of waveforms with frequencies and amplitudes corresponding to the hue and luminance components of each pixel (HSL color model) mapped over a given frequency range. Sonify iterates through the given image row-by-row, pixel-by-pixel, and plays back the corresponding waveform for a specified amount of time. Simultaneously, Sonify calculates the frequency and amplitude of incoming audio during this time, generates a corresponding HSL pixel (given S = 1), and draws this pixel to a new image." I have not used it yet so don't know if it works / is useful, etc. On Sat, June 1, 2013 10:40 am, Philipp ??berbacher wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2013 18:54:53 -1000 > david wrote: > >> On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, J??rn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> > On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote: >> >> 31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti: >> >>> On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote: >> >>>> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, J??rn Nettingsmeier ha scritto: >> >>>>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D >> >>>> >> >>>> +1 ;) >> >>> >> >>> I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For >> >>> instance, never >> >>> figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image. >> >>> >> >>> So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-) >> >>> >> >>> But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, >> >>> neither support >> >>> using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. >> >>> (Well, near as I >> >>> can tell about Darktable.) >> >>> >> >> Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most >> >> un-intuitive and confusing interface I've seen in any program. A >> >> shame. >> > >> > unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes >> > with excellent documentation. >> > >> > very much like all other open source programs that come with >> > documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D >> >> I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do >> what I want to do with it. >> >> > exporting a processed image happens with the "export" feature in the >> > lighttable view (surprise!). >> >> Where's that hiding? I never once saw it. >> >> > and not only does it support multiple cores >> > where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does >> > openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it. >> > >> > if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a >> > refreshing sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a >> > learning curve... >> >> But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable >> have UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE >> FINE MANUAL. >> >> Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5 >> different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only >> thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and >> architectural drafting in middle school! >> >> > ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable fanboy, and i'll leave it at >> > that :-D >> >> That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a >> MIDI file derived from the graphic image? >> >> See, now we're on-topic again. ;-) >> > > If not, you could write a little script that does the following: > > RAW -> darktable -> BMP -> arss -> WAV -> > ^ | > | MIDI > | | > | > | | > | LY > | | > | lilypond > | | > | PDF > | | > | denemo (notation OCR) > | | > BMP <- BMP header + MIDI <- MIDI > > Regards, > Philipp > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > ~~~ Home site - http://djbarney.org From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 1 17:29:57 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:29:57 -1000 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: <20130601114035.5a8f5714@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> <51A93938.5090805@stackingdwarves.net> <51A97E9D.4020400@hawaii.rr.com> <20130601114035.5a8f5714@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <51AA2F95.8080801@hawaii.rr.com> On 05/31/2013 11:40 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2013 18:54:53 -1000 > david wrote: > >> On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: >>> On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote: >>>> 31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti: >>>>> On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote: >>>>>> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, J?rn Nettingsmeier ha scritto: >>>>>>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 ;) >>>>> >>>>> I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For >>>>> instance, never >>>>> figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image. >>>>> >>>>> So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-) >>>>> >>>>> But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, >>>>> neither support >>>>> using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. >>>>> (Well, near as I >>>>> can tell about Darktable.) >>>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most >>>> un-intuitive and confusing interface I've seen in any program. A >>>> shame. >>> >>> unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes >>> with excellent documentation. >>> >>> very much like all other open source programs that come with >>> documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D >> >> I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do >> what I want to do with it. >> >>> exporting a processed image happens with the "export" feature in the >>> lighttable view (surprise!). >> >> Where's that hiding? I never once saw it. >> >>> and not only does it support multiple cores >>> where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does >>> openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it. >>> >>> if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a >>> refreshing sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a >>> learning curve... >> >> But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable >> have UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE >> FINE MANUAL. >> >> Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5 >> different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only >> thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and >> architectural drafting in middle school! >> >>> ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable fanboy, and i'll leave it at >>> that :-D >> >> That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a >> MIDI file derived from the graphic image? >> >> See, now we're on-topic again. ;-) >> > > If not, you could write a little script that does the following: > > RAW -> darktable -> BMP -> arss -> WAV -> > ^ | > | MIDI > | | > | > | | > | LY > | | > | lilypond > | | > | PDF > | | > | denemo (notation OCR) > | | > BMP <- BMP header + MIDI <- MIDI > > Regards, > Philipp Hmmm, now that sounds interesting! -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 1 17:53:30 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:53:30 -1000 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51AA351A.1050601@hawaii.rr.com> On 05/31/2013 11:30 PM, Federico Bruni wrote: > 2013/5/31 Jouni Rinne > > > 31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti: > > On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote: > >> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, J?rn Nettingsmeier ha scritto: > >>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote: > >>> > >>> check out darktable.org and never look > back :-D > >> > >> +1 ;) > > > > I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For > instance, never > > figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image. > > > > So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-) > > > > But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, > neither support > > using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. > (Well, near as I > > can tell about Darktable.) > > > Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and > confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame. > > I remember I was confused at first, but I learned quickly by watching > some screencasts: > http://www.darktable.org/resources/#screencasts > > I think that the UI of Darktable is great, especially the last version > (view of modules is improved, for example) Thanks, but I think that if *someone must show you how to use a program* when you're already familiar with the knowledge domain (photo processing), it's not an intuitive UI. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From fons at linuxaudio.org Sat Jun 1 20:21:24 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:21:24 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: <51AA351A.1050601@hawaii.rr.com> References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> <51AA351A.1050601@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130601202124.GA31403@linuxaudio.org> On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 07:53:30AM -1000, david wrote: > On 05/31/2013 11:30 PM, Federico Bruni wrote: > > > I think that the UI of Darktable is great, especially the last version > > (view of modules is improved, for example) > > Thanks, but I think that if *someone must show you how to use a > program* when you're already familiar with the knowledge domain > (photo processing), it's not an intuitive UI. The original comment was on how to load/save/import/export in Darktable. How an app organises those operations should depend mainly on how it manages data. Which is something a user should be aware of, and that has little to do with any application domain specific knowledge. Darktable is not (thank $GOD) your typical 'document editor', it never modifies its input files for example. Giving it the usual top left corner 'File' menu would cripple it instead of enhancing it, and the way it actually works makes perfect sense at least to me. And indeed the manual is excellent. (View from an occasional user's POV, I'm by no means deeply into image processing) Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From alf at mellomrommet.no Sat Jun 1 20:52:18 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 22:52:18 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update Message-ID: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> Please forgive me if these questions is already answered: (Ubuntu Studio 12.10 32-bit on Toshiba Sattelite p850 laptop) It seems that after the last updates my machine is now running the generic kernel 3.5.0-33 by default. This seems to have broken JACK, which was running without problems for a long time. So I have the following questions: - How do I "downgrade" so that the 3.5.0-31-lowlatency kernel becomes my default setting? - Why does Ubuntu Studio bother with the generic kernel anyway? Thankful for any and all input! Al F From rosegardener at freeode.co.uk Sat Jun 1 22:24:07 2013 From: rosegardener at freeode.co.uk (John Murphy) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 23:24:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: <20130601232407.3e481f2f@P8B75V> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 22:52:18 +0200, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > Please forgive me if these questions is already answered: > > (Ubuntu Studio 12.10 32-bit on Toshiba Sattelite p850 laptop) > > It seems that after the last updates my machine is now running the > generic kernel 3.5.0-33 by default. This seems to have broken JACK, > which was running without problems for a long time. So I have the > following questions: > > - How do I "downgrade" so that the 3.5.0-31-lowlatency kernel becomes my > default setting? I'm using Ubuntu Studio 13.04, so it may be different on yours, but the old kernels are not deleted and you can choose an older one from the list you see after pressing the Grub menu second entry 'Advanced options for ubuntu'. If the one you want is there - you can make Grub use it as the default by editing (as root/sudo) /etc/default/grub Change the line which says GRUB_DEFAULT="0" to GRUB_DEFAULT="1>3" but you'll need to change the "3" to reflect how far down the list of bootable entries it appears in the list - and, bear in mind, 0 is the first. In other words - to boot the entry on the 4th line it would be "1>3" Then run 'update-grub' and you should get the kernel you want on the next re-boot. Tap the Shift key during boot if you don't usually see any Grub options. Hoping it helps. -- John. From len at ovenwerks.net Sat Jun 1 23:32:49 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:32:49 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Sat, June 1, 2013 1:52 pm, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > Please forgive me if these questions is already answered: > > (Ubuntu Studio 12.10 32-bit on Toshiba Sattelite p850 laptop) > > It seems that after the last updates my machine is now running the > generic kernel 3.5.0-33 by default. This seems to have broken JACK, > which was running without problems for a long time. So I have the > following questions: > > - How do I "downgrade" so that the 3.5.0-31-lowlatency kernel becomes my > default setting? Remove any package with generic in it's name. (should be 3): linux-image-3.5.0-33-generic, linux-headers-3.5.0-33-generic and linux-image-extra-3.5.0-33-generic. You may also want to remove (if they are installed): linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic, linux, linux image, etc. I can't remember which ones the upgrader uses to point to the latest generic kernel. However, if you leave them installed, they may pull in the next new generic kernel again. > - Why does Ubuntu Studio bother with the generic kernel anyway? They don't. The upgrader is not a UbuntuStudio Project and seems to break some things in UbuntuStudio. A fresh install just has the low latency kernel... at least any of the UbuntuStudio versions I have tried ... all of them from 12.04 to 13.10alpha. I, personally, have had other issues with upgrades in Ubuntu Studio as well. Reinstall is best. (but then I have been doing fresh installs since SlackWare 0.9.* or so... maybe I should come out of the dark ages?) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jun 2 00:22:09 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:22:09 -1000 Subject: [LAU] [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install) In-Reply-To: <20130601202124.GA31403@linuxaudio.org> References: <04c678a8fc2c153fb857b172faa6e5ec.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1369958998.970.30.camel@archlinux> <51A8168D.2010904@web.de> <51A8786C.2090709@hawaii.rr.com> <51A893BD.9040900@stackingdwarves.net> <51A89470.8080203@gmail.com> <51A8F454.8030508@hawaii.rr.com> <51A8FA17.8090709@gmail.com> <51AA351A.1050601@hawaii.rr.com> <20130601202124.GA31403@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <51AA9031.5070501@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/01/2013 10:21 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 07:53:30AM -1000, david wrote: > >> On 05/31/2013 11:30 PM, Federico Bruni wrote: >> >>> I think that the UI of Darktable is great, especially the last version >>> (view of modules is improved, for example) >> >> Thanks, but I think that if *someone must show you how to use a >> program* when you're already familiar with the knowledge domain >> (photo processing), it's not an intuitive UI. > > The original comment was on how to load/save/import/export > in Darktable. How an app organises those operations should > depend mainly on how it manages data. Which is something a > user should be aware of, and that has little to do with any > application domain specific knowledge. > > Darktable is not (thank $GOD) your typical 'document editor', > it never modifies its input files for example. Giving it the > usual top left corner 'File' menu would cripple it instead > of enhancing it, and the way it actually works makes perfect > sense at least to me. And indeed the manual is excellent. > > (View from an occasional user's POV, I'm by no means deeply > into image processing) None of the RAW photo processors I've used modify the RAW file; RAW files are the raw data files from the camera's sensor and not meant or designed to be edited. So it is part of the domain knowledge. Bibble5 has a File menu and a Save option that you can use to output a processed image. Rawtherapee has a button that does the same thing (if opened with a specific file, otherwise, you can either Save processed image or queue them up and batch process them). Making the function to save a processed image readily visible wouldn't cripple Darktable anymore than it has crippled any of its competition. Still Darktable's UI is better than that of MS Word 1.0 for DOS, where you printed documents by first selecting the Output menu ... -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From alf at mellomrommet.no Sun Jun 2 01:28:35 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 03:28:35 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> On 02. juni 2013 01:32, Len Ovens wrote: > > On Sat, June 1, 2013 1:52 pm, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: >> Please forgive me if these questions is already answered: >> >> (Ubuntu Studio 12.10 32-bit on Toshiba Sattelite p850 laptop) >> >> It seems that after the last updates my machine is now running the >> generic kernel 3.5.0-33 by default. This seems to have broken JACK, >> which was running without problems for a long time. So I have the >> following questions: >> >> - How do I "downgrade" so that the 3.5.0-31-lowlatency kernel becomes my >> default setting? > > Remove any package with generic in it's name. (should be 3): > linux-image-3.5.0-33-generic, linux-headers-3.5.0-33-generic and > linux-image-extra-3.5.0-33-generic. > > You may also want to remove (if they are installed): > linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic, linux, linux > image, etc. I can't remember which ones the upgrader uses to point to the > latest generic kernel. However, if you leave them installed, they may pull > in the next new generic kernel again. > >> - Why does Ubuntu Studio bother with the generic kernel anyway? > > They don't. The upgrader is not a UbuntuStudio Project and seems to break > some things in UbuntuStudio. A fresh install just has the low latency > kernel... at least any of the UbuntuStudio versions I have tried ... all > of them from 12.04 to 13.10alpha. I, personally, have had other issues > with upgrades in Ubuntu Studio as well. Reinstall is best. (but then I > have been doing fresh installs since SlackWare 0.9.* or so... maybe I > should come out of the dark ages?) > > Thank you! Makes me wonder how the generic kernel entered my system, then, but not enough to investigate! I'll just remove the generics... As for upgrade vs fresh install I never managed one successful upgrade (OK, maybe I tried just twice ;-) ) so I prefer the fresh install. Though I've broken a bone or two by leaving all the config files on my home partition and then installing on the root partition. WOW, can it break things... From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jun 2 09:40:30 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 23:40:30 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/01/2013 03:28 PM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > > > On 02. juni 2013 01:32, Len Ovens wrote: >> >> On Sat, June 1, 2013 1:52 pm, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: >>> Please forgive me if these questions is already answered: >>> >>> (Ubuntu Studio 12.10 32-bit on Toshiba Sattelite p850 laptop) >>> >>> It seems that after the last updates my machine is now running the >>> generic kernel 3.5.0-33 by default. This seems to have broken JACK, >>> which was running without problems for a long time. So I have the >>> following questions: >>> >>> - How do I "downgrade" so that the 3.5.0-31-lowlatency kernel becomes my >>> default setting? >> >> Remove any package with generic in it's name. (should be 3): >> linux-image-3.5.0-33-generic, linux-headers-3.5.0-33-generic and >> linux-image-extra-3.5.0-33-generic. >> >> You may also want to remove (if they are installed): >> linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic, linux, linux >> image, etc. I can't remember which ones the upgrader uses to point to the >> latest generic kernel. However, if you leave them installed, they may >> pull >> in the next new generic kernel again. >> >>> - Why does Ubuntu Studio bother with the generic kernel anyway? >> >> They don't. The upgrader is not a UbuntuStudio Project and seems to break >> some things in UbuntuStudio. A fresh install just has the low latency >> kernel... at least any of the UbuntuStudio versions I have tried ... all >> of them from 12.04 to 13.10alpha. I, personally, have had other issues >> with upgrades in Ubuntu Studio as well. Reinstall is best. (but then I >> have been doing fresh installs since SlackWare 0.9.* or so... maybe I >> should come out of the dark ages?) >> >> > Thank you! Makes me wonder how the generic kernel entered my system, > then, but not enough to investigate! I'll just remove the generics... > > As for upgrade vs fresh install I never managed one successful upgrade > (OK, maybe I tried just twice ;-) ) so I prefer the fresh install. > Though I've broken a bone or two by leaving all the config files on my > home partition and then installing on the root partition. WOW, can it > break things... I've tried upgrading Ubuntu from one version to the next, and pretty much had no success. So with Ubuntu, I prefer a fresh install. Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully changed from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, and it works flawlessly. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From simonzwise at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 12:06:25 2013 From: simonzwise at gmail.com (Simon Wise) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 20:06:25 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <51AB3541.5050808@gmail.com> On 02/06/13 17:40, david wrote: > On 06/01/2013 03:28 PM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: >> >> >> On 02. juni 2013 01:32, Len Ovens wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, June 1, 2013 1:52 pm, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: >>> They don't. The upgrader is not a UbuntuStudio Project and seems to break >>> some things in UbuntuStudio. A fresh install just has the low latency >>> kernel... at least any of the UbuntuStudio versions I have tried ... all >>> of them from 12.04 to 13.10alpha. I, personally, have had other issues >>> with upgrades in Ubuntu Studio as well. Reinstall is best. (but then I >>> have been doing fresh installs since SlackWare 0.9.* or so... maybe I >>> should come out of the dark ages?) >>> >>> >> Thank you! Makes me wonder how the generic kernel entered my system, >> then, but not enough to investigate! I'll just remove the generics... >> >> As for upgrade vs fresh install I never managed one successful upgrade >> (OK, maybe I tried just twice ;-) ) so I prefer the fresh install. >> Though I've broken a bone or two by leaving all the config files on my >> home partition and then installing on the root partition. WOW, can it >> break things... > > I've tried upgrading Ubuntu from one version to the next, and pretty much had no > success. So with Ubuntu, I prefer a fresh install. > > Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully changed from > stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. > > Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, and it works > flawlessly. ... with more than a little help from that team of a dozen or so guardian angels behind the scenes in aptosid, managing that small repository of fixes and apt hold-backs, and making sure their kernel is ready for use so your life is easier ... the way it should be. But your upgrade to sid wasn't with them I guess. I certainly hope they continue this work, I have been using their system since they did this work at kannotix 7 years ago, when etch was sid. I had naively made some choices of hardware that I didn't realise were bold (to put it mildly) for linux and theirs was the only installer that could boot it. A very big learning curve on that project, but I got there. I can confirm they do a very good job. Simon From len at ovenwerks.net Sun Jun 2 15:06:36 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 08:06:36 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Sun, June 2, 2013 2:40 am, david wrote: > I've tried upgrading Ubuntu from one version to the next, and pretty > much had no success. So with Ubuntu, I prefer a fresh install. > > Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully changed > from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. > > Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, and it > works flawlessly. Good to know. I am not sure what debian's release schedule is, but the freeze seems to be a lot longer than Ubuntu does. That would give more time for testing. Also UbuntuStudio is a) a very small team. b) a very different install. That is, the mix of applications and their attached libs is greater than any other ubuntu. I have found it very frustrating that something simple like a video player needs to be switched almost every release to find one that works. I would like to concentrate the creative SW, but find that the basic desktop needs fixing more often. I am quite excited though, about the idea of dropping Studio on top of any Ubuntu flavour. A small installer would allow the user to choose just the workflow they want and install that and the lowlatency kernel. It would also install a more organized menu for the creative workflows (I used to have a "multimedia" menu that I had to scroll all over to find anything) For those DEs that still think in those terms (and are XDG compliant). For those interested, the menu package should work well on any distro, ubuntu or not, so long as it uses the XDG style of doing menus. Unity and Gnome Shell are the noted ones that don't really think in terms of menus any more. I think Gnome Shell does have a menu option though. Unity does not and besides it seems Unity has proven not to amiable to audio use for many people anyway. When I have it finished and tested, I will post the download site. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From alf at mellomrommet.no Sun Jun 2 16:26:14 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:26:14 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <51AB7226.6040001@mellomrommet.no> On 02. juni 2013 17:06, Len Ovens wrote: > > On Sun, June 2, 2013 2:40 am, david wrote: > >> I've tried upgrading Ubuntu from one version to the next, and pretty >> much had no success. So with Ubuntu, I prefer a fresh install. >> >> Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully changed >> from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. >> >> Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, and it >> works flawlessly. > > Good to know. I am not sure what debian's release schedule is, but the > freeze seems to be a lot longer than Ubuntu does. That would give more > time for testing. Also UbuntuStudio is a) a very small team. b) a very > different install. That is, the mix of applications and their attached > libs is greater than any other ubuntu. > > I have found it very frustrating that something simple like a video player > needs to be switched almost every release to find one that works. I would > like to concentrate the creative SW, but find that the basic desktop needs > fixing more often. > > I am quite excited though, about the idea of dropping Studio on top of any > Ubuntu flavour. A small installer would allow the user to choose just the > workflow they want and install that and the lowlatency kernel. It would > also install a more organized menu for the creative workflows (I used to > have a "multimedia" menu that I had to scroll all over to find anything) > For those DEs that still think in those terms (and are XDG compliant). > > For those interested, the menu package should work well on any distro, > ubuntu or not, so long as it uses the XDG style of doing menus. Unity and > Gnome Shell are the noted ones that don't really think in terms of menus > any more. I think Gnome Shell does have a menu option though. Unity does > not and besides it seems Unity has proven not to amiable to audio use for > many people anyway. When I have it finished and tested, I will post the > download site. > That sounds like a terrific idea! Meanwhile, anybody here who can give some short starting hints on how to configure debian for audio? Decided I want to give it a go as I'm anyway set to repartition and test Ubuntu Studio 13.04. From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Sun Jun 2 16:49:10 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 04:49:10 +1200 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130602164910.GB23631@tal> On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 11:40:30PM -1000, david wrote: > Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully > changed from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. Yeah, that is the normal way to change to sid. IOW, you don't install sid. > Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, > and it works flawlessly. Ouch, you are living on the edge there. Hope you aren't just haphazzardly upgrading and expecting everything to just work! -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Sun Jun 2 16:54:59 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 04:54:59 +1200 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AB3541.5050808@gmail.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <51AB3541.5050808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130602165459.GC23631@tal> On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 08:06:25PM +0800, Simon Wise wrote: > I certainly hope they continue this work, I have been using their > system since they did this work at kannotix 7 years ago, when etch > was sid. Just a small nitpick, but etch has never been sid. Sid will always be sid (or unstable). It is the testing distribution which gets the code name. Jessie is the code name for the current testing, and in about 2.5 - 3 years time it will become the new stable. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jun 2 18:29:02 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 08:29:02 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <20130602164910.GB23631@tal> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <20130602164910.GB23631@tal> Message-ID: <51AB8EEE.1020209@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/02/2013 06:49 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 11:40:30PM -1000, david wrote: >> Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully >> changed from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. > > Yeah, that is the normal way to change to sid. IOW, you don't install > sid. Start with Sid in the first place: Aptosid.com. >> Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, >> and it works flawlessly. > > Ouch, you are living on the edge there. Nah, I used to mix sid, experimental and deb-multimedia ... > Hope you aren't just > haphazzardly upgrading and expecting everything to just work! This time it worked. I usually just upgrade what I'm interested in. But I always prep for it by making an image of my system partition first. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jun 2 18:58:12 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 08:58:12 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <51AB95C4.7070909@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/02/2013 05:06 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > > On Sun, June 2, 2013 2:40 am, david wrote: > >> I've tried upgrading Ubuntu from one version to the next, and pretty >> much had no success. So with Ubuntu, I prefer a fresh install. >> >> Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully changed >> from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. >> >> Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, and it >> works flawlessly. > > Good to know. I am not sure what debian's release schedule is, Very slow. They just released Debian 7. > but the > freeze seems to be a lot longer than Ubuntu does. The freeze ran pretty long this time. (Which helped make me confident about doing an upgrade, I figured things had been pretty well tested before they finally moved into Sid.) > That would give more > time for testing. Also UbuntuStudio is a) a very small team. b) a very > different install. That is, the mix of applications and their attached > libs is greater than any other ubuntu. > > I have found it very frustrating that something simple like a video player > needs to be switched almost every release to find one that works. Hmm, haven't encountered that. But Mplayer's my player of choice. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From djbarney at djbarney.org Sun Jun 2 20:10:42 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:10:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AB7226.6040001@mellomrommet.no> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AB7226.6040001@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: <8d08f809416755e10abfa09a966f6ec7.squirrel@djbarney.org> For general playback of audio or for audio production and composing music ? On Sun, June 2, 2013 5:26 pm, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > > > On 02. juni 2013 17:06, Len Ovens wrote: >> >> On Sun, June 2, 2013 2:40 am, david wrote: >> >>> I've tried upgrading Ubuntu from one version to the next, and pretty >>> much had no success. So with Ubuntu, I prefer a fresh install. >>> >>> Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully >>> changed >>> from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. >>> >>> Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, and >>> it >>> works flawlessly. >> >> Good to know. I am not sure what debian's release schedule is, but the >> freeze seems to be a lot longer than Ubuntu does. That would give more >> time for testing. Also UbuntuStudio is a) a very small team. b) a very >> different install. That is, the mix of applications and their attached >> libs is greater than any other ubuntu. >> >> I have found it very frustrating that something simple like a video >> player >> needs to be switched almost every release to find one that works. I >> would >> like to concentrate the creative SW, but find that the basic desktop >> needs >> fixing more often. >> >> I am quite excited though, about the idea of dropping Studio on top of >> any >> Ubuntu flavour. A small installer would allow the user to choose just >> the >> workflow they want and install that and the lowlatency kernel. It would >> also install a more organized menu for the creative workflows (I used to >> have a "multimedia" menu that I had to scroll all over to find anything) >> For those DEs that still think in those terms (and are XDG compliant). >> >> For those interested, the menu package should work well on any distro, >> ubuntu or not, so long as it uses the XDG style of doing menus. Unity >> and >> Gnome Shell are the noted ones that don't really think in terms of menus >> any more. I think Gnome Shell does have a menu option though. Unity does >> not and besides it seems Unity has proven not to amiable to audio use >> for >> many people anyway. When I have it finished and tested, I will post the >> download site. >> > > That sounds like a terrific idea! Meanwhile, anybody here who can give > some short starting hints on how to configure debian for audio? Decided > I want to give it a go as I'm anyway set to repartition and test Ubuntu > Studio 13.04. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > ~~~ Home site - http://djbarney.org From joelz at pobox.com Sun Jun 2 22:06:17 2013 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:06:17 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130602220617.GB31322@sprite> david wrote: > > Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully > changed from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. > > Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, > and it works flawlessly. Greetings from the Debian upgrade treadmill ;-) I've learned it works most reliably if you upgrade in two stages: apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade I just verify that it won't removing major packages, and do a backup first if I see that the C libraries are going to change, Although I benefit from the developments in multimedia software I'm not sure I like exposing my system to so many opportunities for failure. A strategy I've used in past is to *not* upgrade until I need something. Maybe could call it it "choose your own freeze". I'm told this is sub-optimal because the package upgrade scripts are not tested against all previous packages. Regards, -- Joel Roth From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jun 2 23:36:26 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 13:36:26 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <20130602220617.GB31322@sprite> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <20130602220617.GB31322@sprite> Message-ID: <51ABD6FA.5070807@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/02/2013 12:06 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > david wrote: >> >> Debian's been no problem at all with upgrades. Even successfully >> changed from stable to sid once simply by changing my repositories. >> >> Upgraded Sid on my desktop machine today, 440+ upgraded packages, >> and it works flawlessly. > > Greetings from the Debian upgrade treadmill ;-) Been doing it for many years now. > I've learned it works most reliably if you upgrade in two > stages: > > apt-get upgrade > apt-get dist-upgrade > > I just verify that it won't removing major packages, and do > a backup first if I see that the C libraries are going to change, I always do a backup first. Have had trivial things like changes in X video drivers make X unusable. > Although I benefit from the developments in multimedia > software I'm not sure I like exposing my system to so many > opportunities for failure. > > A strategy I've used in past is to *not* upgrade until I > need something. Maybe could call it it "choose your own > freeze". I usually just upgrade what I want when I want. > I'm told this is sub-optimal because the package upgrade > scripts are not tested against all previous packages. Hmm, never heard that. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From len at ovenwerks.net Mon Jun 3 00:07:21 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:07:21 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AB95C4.7070909@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AB95C4.7070909@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <890efda294cda70b2f6a7f6c2c7a783d.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Sun, June 2, 2013 11:58 am, david wrote: > On 06/02/2013 05:06 AM, Len Ovens wrote: >> I have found it very frustrating that something simple like a video >> player >> needs to be switched almost every release to find one that works. > > Hmm, haven't encountered that. But Mplayer's my player of choice. Totem doesn't work for me right now, I am not sure if it is the DE, my old video card, the video driver or what. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From brummer- at web.de Mon Jun 3 06:33:04 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:33:04 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51ABD6FA.5070807@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <20130602220617.GB31322@sprite> <51ABD6FA.5070807@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <51AC38A0.3020201@web.de> Am 03.06.2013 01:36, schrieb david: > I always do a backup first. Have had trivial things like changes in X > video drivers make X unusable. > >> Although I benefit from the developments in multimedia >> software I'm not sure I like exposing my system to so many >> opportunities for failure. >> >> A strategy I've used in past is to *not* upgrade until I >> need something. Maybe could call it it "choose your own >> freeze". > > I usually just upgrade what I want when I want. I do it the other way round, I put on hold what I didn't want to upgrade, and upgrade the rest. I never do a backup, and in the last 10 Years I didn't ever need one. ;-) I usually do apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade and read the output, that gives me enough information if I need to put packages on hold, or if I could safely just run the full upgrade. If a package is broken after upgrade, I just downgrade it to the one from testing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alf at mellomrommet.no Mon Jun 3 07:58:09 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 09:58:09 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Debian audio production starting tips (was: Jack, lowlatency, generic, update) In-Reply-To: <8d08f809416755e10abfa09a966f6ec7.squirrel@djbarney.org> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AB7226.6040001@mellomrommet.no> <8d08f809416755e10abfa09a966f6ec7.squirrel@djbarney.org> Message-ID: <51AC4C91.80704@mellomrommet.no> On 02. juni 2013 22:10, Barney Holmes wrote: > For general playback of audio or for audio production and composing music ? Small scale audio production: Record stuff and do some simple editing and multitrack mixing. I'm (slowly) on my way learning Ardour and have plans to dabble with hydrogen and try to understand VST and synth emulators. Additionally, I'm using my system for general office tasks, through libreoffice, firefox, notes etc. I've been running Ubuntu Studio the last year or so (now on 12.10) and like it, but after my mess with the generic kernel I want to look at debian as a possible alternative to 13.04. From csanchezgs at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 10:47:00 2013 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:47:00 +0200 Subject: [LAU] New dronings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2013/5/31 Louigi Verona : > Hey fellas! > > It's been a while since the official "droning" project count has stopped at > 200, so I decided to finally change it with the addition of 14 more tunes. > > As I have been told, people notice that I began exploring more rhythm-based > forms and this is certainly true, however, there are classic drones in the > new recordings as well, so you drone lovers don't give up your hopes just > yet ;) > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=droning > > Cheers and enjoy the music! > > -- > Louigi Verona > http://www.louigiverona.ru/ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > The drone "continues", great Lougi. -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From kvutter at frii.com Tue Jun 4 01:05:05 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:05:05 -0600 Subject: [LAU] setBfree Rotary Speaker sounds strange! Message-ID: <799DD824-3169-490C-AE52-533217C6ECD0@frii.com> Hi all! I hope I haven't missed something in the install and setup directions, but the final result is a setBfree working instance, but with the Rotary speaker sounding as if both rotors were small fan-type baffles in front of the speakers. There's almost no drum rotor at all, just stationary tone, and the horn rotor sounds a bit small with mostly straight sound. I've tried the default settings, the default.cfg file that came with the package with the options set to read it, uncommented the whirl parameters as they were, and modifying some of them, but can't get much satisfaction. I didn't specify the zitaconvolver option in the make process, but the libzitaconvolver is there. I didn't supply any IR files yet, as I didn't think the convolver was in play, although the status at the top of the setBfree screen did mention IR I believe. Would the problem have anything to do with my system being 64-bit? Or did I make some other mistake in the install process? It definitely doesn't sound like the supplied demo. If more info is needed, please let me know. I'm not extremely experienced in making and installing, but I do try to follow instructions. Thanks for your help. Kevin From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Jun 4 09:34:29 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:34:29 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AC38A0.3020201@web.de> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <20130602220617.GB31322@sprite> <51ABD6FA.5070807@hawaii.rr.com> <51AC38A0.3020201@web.de> Message-ID: <51ADB4A5.3020302@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/02/2013 08:33 PM, hermann meyer wrote: > Am 03.06.2013 01:36, schrieb david: >> I always do a backup first. Have had trivial things like changes in X >> video drivers make X unusable. >> >>> Although I benefit from the developments in multimedia >>> software I'm not sure I like exposing my system to so many >>> opportunities for failure. >>> >>> A strategy I've used in past is to *not* upgrade until I >>> need something. Maybe could call it it "choose your own >>> freeze". >> >> I usually just upgrade what I want when I want. > > I do it the other way round, I put on hold what I didn't want to > upgrade, and upgrade the rest. > I never do a backup, and in the last 10 Years I didn't ever need one. ;-) Good thing your hard drive hasn't failed on you, then. ;-) > I usually do apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade and read the > output, that gives me enough information if I need to put packages on > hold, or if I could safely just run the full upgrade. I just look at what's marked upgradeable in Synaptic. > If a package is broken after upgrade, I just downgrade it to the one > from testing. So how does one downgrade? That I haven't figured out. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Jun 4 09:35:57 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:35:57 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <890efda294cda70b2f6a7f6c2c7a783d.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <451ab9e63f105da16cccd83f80dd16aa.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AB95C4.7070909@hawaii.rr.com> <890efda294cda70b2f6a7f6c2c7a783d.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <51ADB4FD.3020108@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/02/2013 02:07 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > On Sun, June 2, 2013 11:58 am, david wrote: >> On 06/02/2013 05:06 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > >>> I have found it very frustrating that something simple like a video >>> player >>> needs to be switched almost every release to find one that works. >> >> Hmm, haven't encountered that. But Mplayer's my player of choice. > > Totem doesn't work for me right now, I am not sure if it is the DE, my old > video card, the video driver or what. Sorry, have no clue. Haven't ever used Totem. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From abonnements at revolwear.com Tue Jun 4 11:11:53 2013 From: abonnements at revolwear.com (mxa) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 04:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] Trouble getting Tascam US-122 to run In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35587451.post@talk.nabble.com> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 18 May 2013 03:26:35 +0200, Julien Claassen > wrote: >> Home directory not accessible: Permission denied > > You can read, but perhaps it's mounted read only? > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > (sorry if this is comming through multiple times, there seems to be a problem with the nabble/mailman integration) I'm running Linux Mint 15 and have the same issue. I followed this how to: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=83565 If I run sudo usx2yloader then the USB LED on the TASCAM goes green and i get the message "Home directory not accessible: Permission denied" I can then choose the device as ALSA output, for instance in Pd. If i run the testpatch i get about 0.5 seconds audio before the message Audio I/O stuck, closing device. what could be the problem? m. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Trouble-getting-Tascam-US-122-to-run-tp35526422p35587451.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From len at ovenwerks.net Tue Jun 4 13:46:02 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:46:02 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update Message-ID: On Tue, June 4, 2013 2:35 am, david wrote: > On 06/02/2013 02:07 PM, Len Ovens wrote: >> Totem doesn't work for me right now, I am not sure if it is the DE, my >> old >> video card, the video driver or what. > > Sorry, have no clue. Haven't ever used Totem. Maybe stay away from it. The responses I got on another list was that Totem has other problems as well. We had quite a lively thread about video work flow out of it. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From atte at youmail.dk Wed Jun 5 08:42:04 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:42:04 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Desktop recorders - was "Another Reality" LP In-Reply-To: <821b2298fbb9d740cab30e51aed61f3d.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <821b2298fbb9d740cab30e51aed61f3d.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <51AEF9DC.2050500@youmail.dk> On 05/28/2013 10:35 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > As a UbuntuStudio team member, I would be very interested in your > findings. We would like to include a desktop recorder, but would prefer > the best we can ship. The xvidcap page says that xvidcap is an OSS audio > application. I wanna join the choir. I tried the screen casters I know of xvidcap, kazam and recordmydesktop, and non of them are really working (terribly loose description, I know). I'm on crunchbang (debian stable) and need something that works with jack. Any ideas? When I have narrowed the field down, I'll probably post detailed info about what aren't "really working". Thanks in advance! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From brummer- at web.de Wed Jun 5 11:30:07 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 13:30:07 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51ADB4A5.3020302@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <20130602220617.GB31322@sprite> <51ABD6FA.5070807@hawaii.rr.com> <51AC38A0.3020201@web.de> <51ADB4A5.3020302@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <51AF213F.2040207@web.de> Am 04.06.2013 11:34, schrieb david: > >> If a package is broken after upgrade, I just downgrade it to the one >> from testing. > > So how does one downgrade? That I haven't figured out. There are different ways to do so, which one to use depend on how hard it rocks over you. :-) have a look at Debian package management: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html chapter 2.6.4 Rescue with dpkg chapter 2.7.10 Emergency downgrading From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Wed Jun 5 14:25:56 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 16:25:56 +0200 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output Message-ID: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> hi *! in case someone is looking for a similar problem solver: i just received an esi gigaport hd+, which is a usb1 class-compliant, bus powered audio interface that provides 8 discrete unbalanced audio outs. at 135?, it's not quite a steal, but it solves one problem: to be able to listen to 5.1/7.1 content with a laptop. it works with jack out of the box and comes with two headphone outs, one of which plays outs1/2, the other plays a pair-wise mix of all eight outs. there is a row of flashing blue leds as "signal present" indicators, although their threshold is a bit on the high side. sound quality is appropriate, i gave it a quick listen and there is nothing obviously wrong. i bought it for use with a raspberry pi, which is the next thing i have to try - will report back. for now & on my laptop, it runs fine at 124x4, haven't tried to push the latency down more, but since it only has outputs, what's the point anyways? best, j?rn -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Wed Jun 5 16:35:03 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 18:35:03 +0200 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output In-Reply-To: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> References: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <51AF68B7.4020203@stackingdwarves.net> On 06/05/2013 04:25 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > i bought it for use with a raspberry pi, which is the next thing i have > to try - will report back. works like a charm for now, at 512x4. i did manage to lose the main filesystem once during my tests, but a reboot fixed it. can't say if this is directly related to the USB device... might have been a power issue - i'm not using a powered up, relying on the 1A mini-usb input instead (which, according to the famous internet, should be ok on revB models). for the record, jack will of course require the patch to remove packed structs, jeremy's repo works fine for me. -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Jun 5 19:04:27 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:04:27 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Jack, lowlatency, generic, update In-Reply-To: <51AF213F.2040207@web.de> References: <51AA5F02.3010501@mellomrommet.no> <1323fca1fbb337396d1095251e70ad57.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AA9FC3.5060406@mellomrommet.no> <51AB130E.7070703@hawaii.rr.com> <20130602220617.GB31322@sprite> <51ABD6FA.5070807@hawaii.rr.com> <51AC38A0.3020201@web.de> <51ADB4A5.3020302@hawaii.rr.com> <51AF213F.2040207@web.de> Message-ID: <51AF8BBB.6080406@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/05/2013 01:30 AM, hermann meyer wrote: > Am 04.06.2013 11:34, schrieb david: >> >>> If a package is broken after upgrade, I just downgrade it to the one >>> from testing. >> >> So how does one downgrade? That I haven't figured out. > > There are different ways to do so, which one to use depend on how hard > it rocks over you. :-) > have a look at Debian package management: > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html > chapter 2.6.4 Rescue with dpkg > chapter 2.7.10 Emergency downgrading Thanks! -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From fons at linuxaudio.org Wed Jun 5 20:57:41 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:57:41 +0000 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output In-Reply-To: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> References: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <20130605205741.GA23831@linuxaudio.org> On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:25:56PM +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > in case someone is looking for a similar problem solver: > i just received an esi gigaport hd+, which is a usb1 > class-compliant, bus powered audio interface that provides 8 > discrete unbalanced audio outs. at 135?, it's not quite a steal, but > it solves one problem: to be able to listen to 5.1/7.1 content with > a laptop. > > it works with jack out of the box and comes with two headphone outs, > one of which plays outs1/2, the other plays a pair-wise mix of all > eight outs. there is a row of flashing blue leds as "signal present" > indicators, although their threshold is a bit on the high side. > > sound quality is appropriate, i gave it a quick listen and there is > nothing obviously wrong. Interesting device... If and when you find the time, could you hook it up to a Micstasy line input and Jaaa... ? Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From harryhaaren at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 21:18:13 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:18:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output In-Reply-To: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> References: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier < nettings at stackingdwarves.net> wrote: > it runs fine at 124x4, haven't tried to push the latency down more, but since it only has outputs, what's the point anyways? Live performance using MIDI input is a use case.. I'd be intrested what latencies it can do if you wouldn't mind testing? One of 128 * 2, 128 * 3, 64 * 4 or 64 *3 would probably run best... 64 * 2 would be amazing for the channel count though :D On another topic, how would using 2 of these fare for WFS applications? It would make the cheapest 16 output channel external soundcard that I know of.. but I fear that the non-sample accurate sync would throw off source perception? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 01:11:16 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:11:16 -0700 Subject: [LAU] disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm sortof in a crazy time checking out new software and learning linux. Anyway, I heard about freewheeling instrument last night and decided to install it today. When I ran it, I got the following result: freewheeling: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls-openssl.so.26: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory So i guess the current version of this library has the number 27, and this hasn't been fixed in freewheeling. And I am not the guy with the knowledge to fix it. :-) So, I'm disappointed. Rusty From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Jun 6 07:08:48 2013 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:08:48 +0200 Subject: [LAU] disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B03580.4070605@gmx.net> On 06.06.2013 03:11, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > I'm sortof in a crazy time checking out new software and learning linux. > Anyway, I heard about freewheeling instrument last night and decided > to install it today. > When I ran it, I got the following result: > > freewheeling: error while loading shared libraries: > libgnutls-openssl.so.26: cannot open shared object file: No such file > or directory > > > So i guess the current version of this library has the number 27, and > this hasn't been fixed in freewheeling. And I am not the guy with the > knowledge to fix it. :-) > > So, I'm disappointed. Sooooo, do you want help with that? Or do you just want to state your disappointment? Anyays, if it's the former, I guess this is the right way of action: 1] Please file a bug report in the ubuntu bug database Then you can try this: 2a] Dirty hack: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls-openssl.so.27 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls-openssl.so.26 sudo ldconfig freewheeling 2b] Build freewheeling from source. I guess this is the cleaner solution, albeit a little bit more involved. Flo From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Thu Jun 6 11:32:08 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:08 +0200 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output In-Reply-To: <20130605205741.GA23831@linuxaudio.org> References: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> <20130605205741.GA23831@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <51B07338.1030506@stackingdwarves.net> On 06/05/2013 10:57 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:25:56PM +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> in case someone is looking for a similar problem solver: >> i just received an esi gigaport hd+, which is a usb1 >> class-compliant, bus powered audio interface that provides 8 >> discrete unbalanced audio outs. at 135?, it's not quite a steal, but >> it solves one problem: to be able to listen to 5.1/7.1 content with >> a laptop. >> >> it works with jack out of the box and comes with two headphone outs, >> one of which plays outs1/2, the other plays a pair-wise mix of all >> eight outs. there is a row of flashing blue leds as "signal present" >> indicators, although their threshold is a bit on the high side. >> >> sound quality is appropriate, i gave it a quick listen and there is >> nothing obviously wrong. > > Interesting device... If and when you find the time, could you hook it > up to a Micstasy line input and Jaaa... ? ok. now running on my laptop at 64x4 w/o xruns but at very low load. for the measurements, i'm running off the battery to avoid hum issues, but plugging it did not make any noticeable difference to me. gigaport hd+ connected to a micstasy line in at normal Z (5.6kOhm unbalanced) with a crappy rca to jack cable. i chose 21.0dB amplification, because that should correspond to 0dBu at full scale. indeed, it makes a -1.0dBFS sine wave from the gigaport come out at roughly -14dBFS on the hdspm, which is what i'd expect going from consumer (-10dBV) to pro equipment (+4dBu). jnoisemeter reports -88.4 dB in flat mode with DC filter and slow averaging response. now if i feed it a white noise signal from JAAA at -1.0dBFS, the other end reports a flat noise level of -13.1 dB, which as a rough guesstimate gives us about 70dB of usable dynamic range. not great, but ok. the -1.0dbFS sine tone at 1kHz shows a first harmonic at -95dB, and the upper harmonics barely show in the noise, so we're fine here. however, there is a thumping DC impulse every few seconds which clearly shows up on the scope. it's clearly audible, not a show stopper, but needs looking into. it's signal-dependent: when you don't generate a sine-wave, it stops. complex signals either don't cause it or mask it completely. might be a power issue. here's what it looks like (peak hold and freeze, imagine this as a transient): http://stackingdwarves.net/download/GigaportHD+%20Thumping%20noise%20over%201kHz%20sine.png a white noise steady-state spectrum shows a slight raise of 2.5dB around 6khz, and another hefty boost of 3.5dB around 14khz. so much for a quick run-through. if you want specific measurements or have a pointer to proper measurement techniques, let me know. best, j?rn -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Thu Jun 6 11:36:21 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:36:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output In-Reply-To: References: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <51B07435.8010202@stackingdwarves.net> On 06/05/2013 11:18 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote: > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier > > wrote: > > it runs fine at 124x4, haven't tried to push the latency down more, > but since it only has outputs, what's the point anyways? > > Live performance using MIDI input is a use case.. I'd be intrested what > latencies it can do if you wouldn't mind testing? One of 128 * 2, > 128 * 3, 64 * 4 or 64 *3 would probably run best... 64 * 2 would > be amazing for the channel count though :D > > On another topic, how would using 2 of these fare for WFS applications? here be plasma-breathing plutonium dragons with infrared laser eyes. > It would make the cheapest 16 output channel external soundcard that I > know of.. but I fear that the non-sample accurate sync would throw off > source perception? definitely. rule of thumb: if you are considering WFS and the price of the _interface_ is an issue, you don't really want to be doing WFS. -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Thu Jun 6 12:13:34 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:13:34 +0200 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output In-Reply-To: <51B07338.1030506@stackingdwarves.net> References: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> <20130605205741.GA23831@linuxaudio.org> <51B07338.1030506@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <51B07CEE.9090501@stackingdwarves.net> On 06/06/2013 01:32 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 06/05/2013 10:57 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:25:56PM +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> >>> in case someone is looking for a similar problem solver: >>> i just received an esi gigaport hd+, which is a usb1 >>> class-compliant, bus powered audio interface that provides 8 >>> discrete unbalanced audio outs. at 135?, it's not quite a steal, but >>> it solves one problem: to be able to listen to 5.1/7.1 content with >>> a laptop. >>> >>> it works with jack out of the box and comes with two headphone outs, >>> one of which plays outs1/2, the other plays a pair-wise mix of all >>> eight outs. there is a row of flashing blue leds as "signal present" >>> indicators, although their threshold is a bit on the high side. >>> >>> sound quality is appropriate, i gave it a quick listen and there is >>> nothing obviously wrong. >> >> Interesting device... If and when you find the time, could you hook it >> up to a Micstasy line input and Jaaa... ? > > ok. now running on my laptop at 64x4 w/o xruns but at very low load. > for the measurements, i'm running off the battery to avoid hum issues, > but plugging it did not make any noticeable difference to me. > > gigaport hd+ connected to a micstasy line in at normal Z (5.6kOhm > unbalanced) with a crappy rca to jack cable. > i chose 21.0dB amplification, because that should correspond to 0dBu at > full scale. indeed, it makes a -1.0dBFS sine wave from the gigaport come > out at roughly -14dBFS on the hdspm, which is what i'd expect going from > consumer (-10dBV) to pro equipment (+4dBu). > > jnoisemeter reports -88.4 dB in flat mode with DC filter and slow > averaging response. > > now if i feed it a white noise signal from JAAA at -1.0dBFS, the other > end reports a flat noise level of -13.1 dB, which as a rough guesstimate > gives us about 70dB of usable dynamic range. not great, but ok. > > the -1.0dbFS sine tone at 1kHz shows a first harmonic at -95dB, and the > upper harmonics barely show in the noise, so we're fine here. > > however, there is a thumping DC impulse every few seconds which clearly > shows up on the scope. it's clearly audible, not a show stopper, but > needs looking into. it's signal-dependent: when you don't generate a > sine-wave, it stops. complex signals either don't cause it or mask it > completely. might be a power issue. here's what it looks like (peak hold > and freeze, imagine this as a transient): > http://stackingdwarves.net/download/GigaportHD+%20Thumping%20noise%20over%201kHz%20sine.png > > > a white noise steady-state spectrum shows a slight raise of 2.5dB around > 6khz, and another hefty boost of 3.5dB around 14khz. > > so much for a quick run-through. if you want specific measurements or > have a pointer to proper measurement techniques, let me know. some more measurements at http://stackingdwarves.net/download/GigaportHD+/ -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From abonnements at revolwear.com Thu Jun 6 14:39:31 2013 From: abonnements at revolwear.com (Max) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:39:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Fireface UCX Message-ID: Is there anyone who is running a Fireface UCX under Linux successfully? (either via USB or Firewire)? It has a USB Class Compliant mode for Audio Device Class 2 http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=86665#p86665 I get nothing but crackles. m. From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 15:18:46 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:18:46 -0700 Subject: [LAU] disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 In-Reply-To: <51B03C8E.1050101@gmx.net> References: <51B03580.4070605@gmx.net> <51B03C8E.1050101@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 6/6/13, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On 06.06.2013 09:25, Rusty Perez wrote: >> Thanks FLO, > > Hi Rusty, > > so you mind posting your reply to the mailing list again? It is > considered good form to have workarounds for problems visible in the > list archives :D > >> Honestly, I'm just a bit overwhelmed about linux sometimes, so I >> wanted to wine a little bit. But, I suppose I could give fixing it a >> try. >> Actually, after some googling, I've noticed that there are a few bug >> reports already filed. >> >> So, >> about option 1a. Am I creating a file with those lines in it, or just >> executing those commands and the desired outcomes will occur? > > Yes, try these commands in a terminal. They might ask you for your > password (note the "sudo" in front of two of them).. > > >> I apologize, I'm really new at this. >> I think that's probably where I am right now, entering a few commands, >> or creating a script to take care of the problem. I wouldn't even know >> where to begin recompiling. >> You mention that1a s the quick and dirty solution. >> Are there any problems which could arise? > > Well, it's generally considered bad to use a workaround like this. It > should really be fixed in the package. Also we're creating a symbolic > link from one installed library to pretend another version is installed. > This CAN lead to problems later ,on, but it should work well enough to > run freewheeling now. > > Have fun, > Flo > > From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 15:32:28 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:32:28 -0700 Subject: [LAU] disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 In-Reply-To: References: <51B03580.4070605@gmx.net> <51B03C8E.1050101@gmx.net> Message-ID: Thanks so much FLO, I'l give this a try. Will these changes be persistant, or must I type these commands each time i want to run freewheeling? Thanks! Rusty On 6/6/13, Rusty Perez wrote: > On 6/6/13, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: >> On 06.06.2013 09:25, Rusty Perez wrote: >>> Thanks FLO, >> >> Hi Rusty, >> >> so you mind posting your reply to the mailing list again? It is >> considered good form to have workarounds for problems visible in the >> list archives :D >> >>> Honestly, I'm just a bit overwhelmed about linux sometimes, so I >>> wanted to wine a little bit. But, I suppose I could give fixing it a >>> try. >>> Actually, after some googling, I've noticed that there are a few bug >>> reports already filed. >>> >>> So, >>> about option 1a. Am I creating a file with those lines in it, or just >>> executing those commands and the desired outcomes will occur? >> >> Yes, try these commands in a terminal. They might ask you for your >> password (note the "sudo" in front of two of them).. >> >> >>> I apologize, I'm really new at this. >>> I think that's probably where I am right now, entering a few commands, >>> or creating a script to take care of the problem. I wouldn't even know >>> where to begin recompiling. >>> You mention that1a s the quick and dirty solution. >>> Are there any problems which could arise? >> >> Well, it's generally considered bad to use a workaround like this. It >> should really be fixed in the package. Also we're creating a symbolic >> link from one installed library to pretend another version is installed. >> This CAN lead to problems later ,on, but it should work well enough to >> run freewheeling now. >> >> Have fun, >> Flo >> >> > From rncbc at rncbc.org Thu Jun 6 16:28:30 2013 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:28:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.9 - The Juliet Quebec release Message-ID: <51B0B8AE.7030307@rncbc.org> As an anticipated summer delight... Qtractor 0.5.9 (juliet quebec) is now released! Release highlights: * NSM support (NEW) * Audio buses plugin state restoration (FIX) * MIDI channel file merge/export (FIX) * MIDI editor rescale mode (NEW) * German translation (NEW) Website: http://qtractor.sourceforge.net Project page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor Downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.9.tar.gz - source package (openSUSE 12.3): http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.9-6.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages (openSUSE 12.3): http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.9-6.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.9-6.rncbc.suse123.x86_64.rpm - quick start guide & user manual: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.x-user-manual.pdf Weblog (upstream support): http://www.rncbc.org License: Qtractor is free, open-source software, distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later. Change-log: - Auto-incremental version numbering of backup session files; brand new versioning mode option added. - Fixed one long as ever MIDI file export bug, which was about washing all self-induced MIDI bank-select (CC#0, CC#32) and program-change (PC#) events into MIDI channel 1, regardless of the source track/channel. - Fixed initial sample-rate settlement on plugin chains for all tracks and buses whenever a session file original sample-rate differs from the current audio device engine (ie. JACK). - New German (de) translation added (by Guido Scholz, thanks). - Now accepting JACK transport tempo and time-tignature changes while in slave transport mode. - Fix ref-count and auto-removal of created files that result from clip merge/export when session is closed but not saved. - MIDI track instrument bank/program selection, from plugin UIs that support it, is now effectively and complete. - Custom connections for dedicated audio outputs from all plugin chains in MIDI tracks or buses are back in business, hopefully restored gain on session load (ticket by yuba, thanks). - Track Properties dialog now dirty after any plugin related change (another head-up by yuba, thanks again). - Tempo Map/Markers dialog is not set initially dirty anymore. - Audio buses plugin state's persistence were found AWOL: while being properly saved as usual, were being restored to default on every session reload (as noticed by yuba, thanks). - NSM (Non Session Management) support is being introduced. - The MIDI clip editor (aka. piano-roll) gets a brand new rescale mode: ctrl+dragging the right edge of a note now rescales all times and duration of all the subsequent selected notes (after an interesting idea/ticket by Joel Leclerc, thanks). - The new MIDI clip editor rescale mode also applicable to event values (eg. note velocities, pitch-bend), while ctrl+dragging the edges of an event vertical bar. - VST plugin (GUI) idle timer makes a comeback. - Hard-wired LV2 UI selection order for plugins which supply more than one option (lv2_external_ui gets always honored first then, as provided via libsuil, X11, GTK and last but not least, Qt4). See also: http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/664 Have (lots of) fun. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Jun 6 18:12:10 2013 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:12:10 +0200 Subject: [LAU] disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 In-Reply-To: References: <51B03580.4070605@gmx.net> <51B03C8E.1050101@gmx.net> Message-ID: <51B0D0FA.6030605@gmx.net> On 06.06.2013 17:32, Rusty Perez wrote: > Thanks so much FLO, > I'l give this a try. > Will these changes be persistant, or must I type these commands each > time i want to run freewheeling? Well, I'll explain a little bit what it should do, and then the answer should be apparent: The freewheeling program is linked against a very specific version of a library (the .26 suffix denotes a version). That precise version does not exist on your system. So what we do is: We take the existing library (version 27) and create a symbolic link to a file that LOOKS like the right version. This symbolic link is just another name for the same file in the directory. And it persists over reboots. So once it works, all you have to do in the future is to run freewheeling.. No further commands should be needed in the future.. Flo From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 18:17:36 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:17:36 -0700 Subject: [LAU] realtime midi from audio? Message-ID: Hi folks, I have a vocal harmonizer pedal from TC electronics which takes input from my guitar, and my vocal microphone and determines what chord I'm playing, and creates vocal harmonies. I'm wondering if there might be a linux program to determine the chords I'm playing,, on my guitar, and turn these in to midi notes, and play a synth or sequencer along with my guitar. I'm not looking so much for a midi guitar because I don't want to modify my instruments, and I don't always play the same guitar. but this vocal pedal does a pretty good job of tracking chords on my guitar, so i was thinking maybe a program could do the same thing, and with that i could create midi accompaniment, maybe driving a sampler or something. this is just a dream fueled by a lack of steady bandmates, but a guy can dream right? thanks so much!. From julien at mail.upb.de Thu Jun 6 18:35:55 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] realtime midi from audio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Rusty! As far as I am aware there is no such tool. But there is MMA, Music MIDI Accompaniment: www.mellowood.ca/mma/ It generates sort of a rhythm, as found in arranger keyboards. At least as far as I understand. There are some nice demos by Bob playing saxophone together with MMA, if you want to hear, what it can do. Best wishes Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 19:28:44 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:28:44 -0700 Subject: [LAU] realtime midi from audio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Julien, I've seen MMa but I'd really like a realtime method for playing an arranger with accompaniment. I'm investigating gmorgan. At first glance it seems a little oldschool calling itself an organ, but I suspect it may be capable of much more, and it takes realtime midi input. As soon as I am able I'm going to see if I can install it on my machine. So, at least I could play rudimentary chords on my keyboard, and have the "band" follow me. Now, the guitar playing the chords is another thing. We'll see. Best! Rusty On 6/6/13, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Rusty! > As far as I am aware there is no such tool. But there is MMA, Music MIDI > Accompaniment: > www.mellowood.ca/mma/ > It generates sort of a rhythm, as found in arranger keyboards. At least > as > far as I understand. There are some nice demos by Bob playing saxophone > together with MMA, if you want to hear, what it can do. > Best wishes > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html > From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Jun 6 19:30:34 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 21:30:34 +0200 Subject: [LAU] realtime midi from audio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B0E35A.9090306@autostatic.com> On 06/06/2013 08:17 PM, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > I have a vocal harmonizer pedal from TC electronics which takes input > from my guitar, and my vocal microphone and determines what chord I'm > playing, and creates vocal harmonies. > I'm wondering if there might be a linux program to determine the > chords I'm playing,, on my guitar, and turn these in to midi notes, > and play a synth or sequencer along with my guitar. > I'm not looking so much for a midi guitar because I don't want to > modify my instruments, and I don't always play the same guitar. but > this vocal pedal does a pretty good job of tracking chords on my > guitar, so i was thinking maybe a program could do the same thing, and > with that i could create midi accompaniment, maybe driving a sampler > or something. > this is just a dream fueled by a lack of steady bandmates, but a guy > can dream right? > > thanks so much!. Hello Rusty, There are several options: * Guitarix gxtuner LV2 plugin which does audio to MIDI * Rakarrack can do audio to MIDI * There are Puredata patches that can accomplish this too These alternatives don't determine what chords you play though, at best they can determine separate notes. Regards, Jeremy From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 20:04:01 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:04:01 -0700 Subject: [LAU] realtime midi from audio? In-Reply-To: <51B0E35A.9090306@autostatic.com> References: <51B0E35A.9090306@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Hi jeremy, thanks! Will one of these two lv2 plugins only do individual notes, one at a time, or if I were to play a chord, could it be interpreted in to it's component notes? rusty On 6/6/13, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/06/2013 08:17 PM, Rusty Perez wrote: >> Hi folks, >> I have a vocal harmonizer pedal from TC electronics which takes input >> from my guitar, and my vocal microphone and determines what chord I'm >> playing, and creates vocal harmonies. >> I'm wondering if there might be a linux program to determine the >> chords I'm playing,, on my guitar, and turn these in to midi notes, >> and play a synth or sequencer along with my guitar. >> I'm not looking so much for a midi guitar because I don't want to >> modify my instruments, and I don't always play the same guitar. but >> this vocal pedal does a pretty good job of tracking chords on my >> guitar, so i was thinking maybe a program could do the same thing, and >> with that i could create midi accompaniment, maybe driving a sampler >> or something. >> this is just a dream fueled by a lack of steady bandmates, but a guy >> can dream right? >> >> thanks so much!. > > Hello Rusty, > > There are several options: > * Guitarix gxtuner LV2 plugin which does audio to MIDI > * Rakarrack can do audio to MIDI > * There are Puredata patches that can accomplish this too > > These alternatives don't determine what chords you play though, at best > they can determine separate notes. > > Regards, > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From egor.sanin at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 20:28:02 2013 From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:28:02 -0400 Subject: [LAU] More oldskool goodness: The Scene In-Reply-To: <51A37111.7070206@gmx.net> References: <51A37111.7070206@gmx.net> Message-ID: Nice! On 5/27/13, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On 27.05.2013 00:03, Louigi Verona wrote: >> When you are working on a music album, you sometimes run into tunes >> that don't fit the mood or style of the album. This is what happened >> to this tune. >> >> I love making tunes that have a stadium feel and additionally this is >> so oldskool and very acid-like! This anthem is a tribute to the Linux >> Audio scene. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OeowU3RwY0 > > Oldschool indeed :D Not really my kind of music, but well done! > > Flo > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Jun 6 20:35:31 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:35:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] realtime midi from audio? In-Reply-To: References: <51B0E35A.9090306@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51B0F293.6020909@autostatic.com> On 06/06/2013 10:04 PM, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi jeremy, > thanks! > Will one of these two lv2 plugins only do individual notes, one at a > time, or if I were to play a chord, could it be interpreted in to it's > component notes? > rusty Hi Rusty, Only the guitarix gxtuner is an LV2 plugin. It's quite a recent addition to the guitarix suite and I'm lagging a bit behind. The last version I tried only worked well with separate notes but some changes have been made to the plugin after that so maybe it's capable of doing a bit more in the meanwhile. Jeremy From fons at linuxaudio.org Thu Jun 6 20:57:10 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:57:10 +0000 Subject: [LAU] nice piece of USB hardware for 7.1 output In-Reply-To: <51B07338.1030506@stackingdwarves.net> References: <51AF4A74.804@stackingdwarves.net> <20130605205741.GA23831@linuxaudio.org> <51B07338.1030506@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <20130606205710.GA14439@linuxaudio.org> On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:32:08PM +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > gigaport hd+ connected to a micstasy line in at normal Z (5.6kOhm > unbalanced) with a crappy rca to jack cable. > i chose 21.0dB amplification, because that should correspond to 0dBu > at full scale. indeed, it makes a -1.0dBFS sine wave from the > gigaport come out at roughly -14dBFS on the hdspm, which is what i'd > expect going from consumer (-10dBV) to pro equipment (+4dBu). > > jnoisemeter reports -88.4 dB in flat mode with DC filter and slow > averaging response. So dynamic range should be 88.4 - 13 or around 75 dB. No really impressive... > now if i feed it a white noise signal from JAAA at -1.0dBFS, the > other end reports a flat noise level of -13.1 dB, which as a rough > guesstimate gives us about 70dB of usable dynamic range. not great, > but ok. That would be a really invalid measurement. Peak / RMS ratio for jaaa's noise generator is something like 12dB, so noise at -1 dB RMS will be clipping as hell. That 12 dB is an implementation limit, real gaussian noise has (in theory) an infinite peak / RMS ratio. So better stay at -20 dB RMS or so. > the -1.0dbFS sine tone at 1kHz shows a first harmonic at -95dB, and > the upper harmonics barely show in the noise, so we're fine here. OK. > however, there is a thumping DC impulse every few seconds which > clearly shows up on the scope. it's clearly audible, not a show > stopper, but needs looking into. it's signal-dependent: when you > don't generate a sine-wave, it stops. complex signals either don't > cause it or mask it completely. might be a power issue. Very suspect. Should be interesting to record the waveform and have a look at it (zita-scope would be handy, but not yet ready for the real world). > a white noise steady-state spectrum shows a slight raise of 2.5dB > around 6khz, and another hefty boost of 3.5dB around 14khz. Again suspect, but see above. Could you try with a lower noise level ? General remark about the Jaaa screenshots: to measure noise you should really use the noise, not peak, markers. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From termtech at rogers.com Thu Jun 6 21:31:49 2013 From: termtech at rogers.com (Tim E. Real) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:31:49 -0400 Subject: [LAU] 14-bit CC / (N)RPN midi controllers question Message-ID: <3601631.0JM6mzbtkd@col-desktop> Lacking access to the full midi specs document, I don't know if this question is addressed. I've looked at manuals for products which support them and searched the web but I don't see a clear answer to my question: Is it safe to assume that a product or app which allows binding a *single* HW or GUI control to either 14-bit CC or 14-bit (N)RPN, would *always* send the value LSB, even if the LSB did not change but the MSB did, when the control moves? Do the midi specs address this? Or do you know of examples of such LSB optimizing-out? Thanks. Tim. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Jun 6 21:36:50 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:36:50 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] 14-bit CC / (N)RPN midi controllers question In-Reply-To: <3601631.0JM6mzbtkd@col-desktop> References: <3601631.0JM6mzbtkd@col-desktop> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Tim E. Real wrote: > Lacking access to the full midi specs document, I don't know > if this question is addressed. I've looked at manuals for products > which support them and searched the web but I don't see a clear > answer to my question: > > Is it safe to assume that a product or app which allows > binding a *single* HW or GUI control to either 14-bit CC > or 14-bit (N)RPN, would *always* send the value LSB, even if > the LSB did not change but the MSB did, when the control moves? > > Do the midi specs address this? > The specs do not address this. It is an error in the MIDI spec in my opinion, and I discussed it with someone from the MMA several years ago and they agreed with me. The spec should have ordered things differently OR required that LSB and MSB are always sent. They did not. The existing spec design is easy to implement in dedicated hardware but notably harder in software run on a general purpose machine because you need to pick some arbitrary timeout. Every possible ordering/delivery sequence can be found in one or more devices. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mathis.ahrens at gmx.de Thu Jun 6 22:34:18 2013 From: mathis.ahrens at gmx.de (Mathis Ahrens) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:34:18 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Fireface UCX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B10E6A.3070008@gmx.de> On 06.06.2013 16:39, Max wrote: > Is there anyone who is running a Fireface UCX under Linux successfully? (either via USB or Firewire)? Apparently yes: http://search.gmane.org/?query=ucx&group=gmane.linux.audio.users From fhanisch at uni-potsdam.de Thu Jun 6 23:47:21 2013 From: fhanisch at uni-potsdam.de (Florian Hanisch) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 01:47:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Fireface UCX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130607014721.hq7zs83lvocwkw0w@webmail.uni-potsdam.de> Hi, I use the ff ucx via USB. As far as I know, it is not possible to use it via firewire. I getting reasonable sound results using the usb class compliance mode, you have to make sure that this mode is enabled on the device (it is NOT by default). The ALSA driver then recognizes the device. If you enter aplay -l in a terminal, you get a list with all devices available to alsa. If it does not appear there, try the comand dmesg to look for error messages of the alsa kernel module. If I do that, I find a message usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio indicating that the interface is working. Then, the device is available in pulse-audio and also jack, you can choose it there. I should add the following: My system (and in particular the alsa kernel module) is not up to date. I am still using an old customized version, where I fixed a bug by hand (getting help from the alsa list). As far as I remember, this bug was fixed so that the device should work with the standard alsa kernel module. However, I never tested it, maybe I find time to do that during the weekend. Best, Florian Quoting Max : > Is there anyone who is running a Fireface UCX under Linux > successfully? (either via USB or Firewire)? > It has a USB Class Compliant mode for Audio Device Class 2 > > http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=86665#p86665 > > I get nothing but crackles. > > m. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From abonnements at revolwear.com Fri Jun 7 14:05:14 2013 From: abonnements at revolwear.com (Max) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:05:14 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Fireface UCX In-Reply-To: <20130607014721.hq7zs83lvocwkw0w@webmail.uni-potsdam.de> References: <20130607014721.hq7zs83lvocwkw0w@webmail.uni-potsdam.de> Message-ID: <7459D95B-F6E0-41FD-AF35-C8AC73FE6B26@revolwear.com> Hi, that sounds promising. I have the UCX running in CC mode, and I also see it in the Alsamixer with only one control, the master volume. so that part isn't the problem. the fix of the alsa /sound/usb/mixer.c is in kernel 3.8 which i have on the system. http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2013-January/058998.html however: If i select this device in some alsa software i get horrible crackles (I tried 44100 and 48000 Hz, they both give me different kind of crackles). What do you do to get useful sound out of it? Max Am 07.06.2013 um 01:47 schrieb Florian Hanisch : > Hi, > > I use the ff ucx via USB. As far as I know, it is not possible to use it via firewire. > > I getting reasonable sound results using the usb class compliance mode, you have to make sure that this mode is enabled on the device (it is NOT by default). > > The ALSA driver then recognizes the device. If you enter > > aplay -l > > in a terminal, you get a list with all devices available to alsa. If it does not appear there, try the comand > > dmesg > > to look for error messages of the alsa kernel module. If I do that, I find a message > > usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio > > indicating that the interface is working. Then, the device is available in pulse-audio and also jack, you can choose it there. > > I should add the following: My system (and in particular the alsa kernel module) is not up to date. I am still using an old customized version, where I fixed a bug by hand (getting help from the alsa list). As far as I remember, this bug was fixed so that the device should work with the standard alsa kernel module. However, I never tested it, maybe I find time to do that during the weekend. > > Best, > > Florian > > Quoting Max : > >> Is there anyone who is running a Fireface UCX under Linux successfully? (either via USB or Firewire)? >> It has a USB Class Compliant mode for Audio Device Class 2 >> >> http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=86665#p86665 >> >> I get nothing but crackles. >> >> m. From fhanisch at uni-potsdam.de Fri Jun 7 15:06:59 2013 From: fhanisch at uni-potsdam.de (Florian Hanisch) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:06:59 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Fireface UCX In-Reply-To: <7459D95B-F6E0-41FD-AF35-C8AC73FE6B26@revolwear.com> References: <20130607014721.hq7zs83lvocwkw0w@webmail.uni-potsdam.de> <7459D95B-F6E0-41FD-AF35-C8AC73FE6B26@revolwear.com> Message-ID: <20130607170659.elowf12rwo4s0kwo@webmail.uni-potsdam.de> Hi, I did not use Alsamixer (and I can not test it right now) so I can not say how Alsamixer should look like. I used the device (sucessfully) in the following two ways: 1) Select device in pulseaudio and play back from youtube or whatever source. 2) Select device in jack and make some sounds from supercollider. Here, I could check that I got 8/8 I/O-channels up to 96 kHz sampling rate working. This was encouraging enough for me to buy my own UCX. Actually, a friend told me that he can use more channels in CC-mode with the latest firmware BUT connect to a mac-system. I did not test whether this is also true for linux, maybe the usb-audio standard does not support more than 8/8 channels. Best, Florian Quoting Max : > Hi, that sounds promising. > I have the UCX running in CC mode, and I also see it in the > Alsamixer with only one control, the master volume. > so that part isn't the problem. > the fix of the alsa /sound/usb/mixer.c is in kernel 3.8 which i have > on the system. Good to know, thanks! > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2013-January/058998.html > > however: If i select this device in some alsa software i get > horrible crackles (I tried 44100 and 48000 Hz, they both give me > different kind of crackles). > > What do you do to get useful sound out of it? > > Max > > Am 07.06.2013 um 01:47 schrieb Florian Hanisch : > >> Hi, >> >> I use the ff ucx via USB. As far as I know, it is not possible to >> use it via firewire. >> >> I getting reasonable sound results using the usb class compliance >> mode, you have to make sure that this mode is enabled on the device >> (it is NOT by default). >> >> The ALSA driver then recognizes the device. If you enter >> >> aplay -l >> >> in a terminal, you get a list with all devices available to alsa. >> If it does not appear there, try the comand >> >> dmesg >> >> to look for error messages of the alsa kernel module. If I do that, >> I find a message >> >> usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio >> >> indicating that the interface is working. Then, the device is >> available in pulse-audio and also jack, you can choose it there. >> >> I should add the following: My system (and in particular the alsa >> kernel module) is not up to date. I am still using an old >> customized version, where I fixed a bug by hand (getting help from >> the alsa list). As far as I remember, this bug was fixed so that >> the device should work with the standard alsa kernel module. >> However, I never tested it, maybe I find time to do that during the >> weekend. >> >> Best, >> >> Florian >> >> Quoting Max : >> >>> Is there anyone who is running a Fireface UCX under Linux >>> successfully? (either via USB or Firewire)? >>> It has a USB Class Compliant mode for Audio Device Class 2 >>> >>> http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=86665#p86665 >>> >>> I get nothing but crackles. >>> >>> m. > From rustys.lists at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 15:33:57 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:33:57 -0700 Subject: [LAU] making freewheeling work under ubuntu 13.4 was--Re: disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 Message-ID: Hi FLO, Thanks for your help on this! OK, I've tried the command to create a symbolic link, and freewheeling gave me the same error. I've looked in the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ directory, and that library file doesn't seem to be there, unless maybe it's hidden. SOOOO, I'm not sure where to go from here, except to sooperlooper, which i will also try. :-) Is there something I'm missing? Thanks! Rusty On 6/6/13, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On 06.06.2013 17:32, Rusty Perez wrote: >> Thanks so much FLO, >> I'l give this a try. >> Will these changes be persistant, or must I type these commands each >> time i want to run freewheeling? > > Well, I'll explain a little bit what it should do, and then the answer > should be apparent: The freewheeling program is linked against a very > specific version of a library (the .26 suffix denotes a version). That > precise version does not exist on your system. So what we do is: We take > the existing library (version 27) and create a symbolic link to a file > that LOOKS like the right version. This symbolic link is just another > name for the same file in the directory. And it persists over reboots. > So once it works, all you have to do in the future is to run freewheeling.. > > No further commands should be needed in the future.. > > Flo > > > From harryhaaren at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 15:47:03 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:47:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] making freewheeling work under ubuntu 13.4 was--Re: disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Rusty Perez wrote: > Is there something I'm missing? Yup: Download the source for freewheeling, and then build it. You'll most likely need to grab some build-dependencies before it builds properly, but then it will work. Grab the source from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freewheeling/files/latest/download?source=files List of deps you'll need (from the site) JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, FluidSynth HTH, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Jun 7 20:05:09 2013 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 22:05:09 +0200 Subject: [LAU] making freewheeling work under ubuntu 13.4 was--Re: disappointed that dependancies for freewheeling are broken in ubuntu 13.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B23CF5.2040004@gmx.net> On 07.06.2013 17:33, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi FLO, > Thanks for your help on this! > OK, I've tried the command to create a symbolic link, and freewheeling > gave me the same error. > I've looked in the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ directory, and that > library file doesn't seem to be there, unless maybe it's hidden. > SOOOO, I'm not sure where to go from here, except to sooperlooper, > which i will also try. :-) > > Is there something I'm missing? hi Rusty, can you show me the output of the following command: find /usr/ -iname "libgnutls-openssl.so*" (Just copy and paste the whole line to a terminal) Flo From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 20:14:22 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 22:14:22 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Desktop recorders - was "Another Reality" LP In-Reply-To: <51AEF9DC.2050500@youmail.dk> References: <821b2298fbb9d740cab30e51aed61f3d.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AEF9DC.2050500@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <51B23F1E.4090409@gmail.com> On 06/05/2013 10:42 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 05/28/2013 10:35 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > >> As a UbuntuStudio team member, I would be very interested in your >> findings. We would like to include a desktop recorder, but would prefer >> the best we can ship. The xvidcap page says that xvidcap is an OSS audio >> application. > > I wanna join the choir. > > I tried the screen casters I know of xvidcap, kazam and recordmydesktop, > and non of them are really working (terribly loose description, I know). Recently, the only effective way I've found to do screen recording with jack is using ffmpeg - yet this must be the 'original' ffmpeg not libav which is now packaged e.g. in Debian, which I couldn't get to work with jack - And this needs to be compiled by hand on debian [1] This is the script I use (adapted from someone else (TM) I found online): ffmpeg -f jack -ac 2 -i ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 30 -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec libx264 -preset ultrafast -threads 0 output.avi Advantages: - it works well (with jack) - very good quality - good audio/video sync Disadvantages: - you have to manually calculate the screen size and rectangle (-s and -i switches) - you need to connect your jack output(s) to the ffmpeg jack input after you've started recording - fairly big output file For the last 'drawback' you can convert to a compressed video format such as webm. Recently I am use (again stolen, ehm, inspired from some online forum [2]): ffmpeg -y -i "$INFILE" -threads 8 -f webm -vcodec libvpx -g 120 -level 216 -profile 0 -qmax 42 -qmin 10 -rc_buf_aggressivity 0.95 -vb 2M -acodec libvorbis -aq 90 -ac 2 $OUTFILE This will give a nice webm video which is about 20% the filesize of the original avi Here is a quick short example of the final output: http://gnufunk.org/~lorenzosu/temp/ffmpeg_grab_test.webm Hope this helps Lorenzo. PS This (longer) was also created with the same technique: http://vimeo.com/36609964 [1] I succeed on Debian wheezy amd64 following this: https://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide [2] I actually found the source for this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522381&p=9539218#post9539218 - thanks demizer From len at ovenwerks.net Fri Jun 7 21:07:42 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:07:42 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Desktop recorders - was "Another Reality" LP Message-ID: <5ebaf6b131198d025aadb946bba6f844.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Fri, June 7, 2013 1:14 pm, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 06/05/2013 10:42 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> On 05/28/2013 10:35 PM, Len Ovens wrote: >> >>> As a UbuntuStudio team member, I would be very interested in your >>> findings. We would like to include a desktop recorder, but would prefer >>> the best we can ship. The xvidcap page says that xvidcap is an OSS >>> audio >>> application. >> >> I wanna join the choir. >> >> I tried the screen casters I know of xvidcap, kazam and recordmydesktop, >> and non of them are really working (terribly loose description, I know). > > Recently, the only effective way I've found to do screen recording with > jack is using ffmpeg - yet this must be the 'original' ffmpeg not libav > which is now packaged e.g. in Debian, which I couldn't get to work with > jack - And this needs to be compiled by hand on debian [1] Now if libav would just stop shipping with links from ffmpeg, debian could ship both... > This is the script I use (adapted from someone else (TM) I found online): > > ffmpeg -f jack -ac 2 -i ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 30 -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 > -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec libx264 -preset ultrafast -threads 0 output.avi > > Advantages: > - it works well (with jack) > - very good quality > - good audio/video sync > Disadvantages: > - you have to manually calculate the screen size and rectangle (-s and > -i switches) A script that runs xrandr could probably do that automatically. xrandr has the screen sizes (the size of each monitor with position as well as the size of combined screen size in the case of two monitors). I think there are tools that will give a window size and position as well and most of the screen capture tools allow "rubberbanding" a rectangle, so that should not be hard either... I am pretty sure I could figure that out in tk/tcl... my python is not that advanced yet. > - you need to connect your jack output(s) to the ffmpeg jack input > after you've started recording jack.plumbing from the jack-tools package might make that less painful. Possibly some of the session managers too. > - fairly big output file Most of us have fairly big hard drives these days ;) maybe I just don't do enough recording to make mine seem small. There are enough scripting GUIs around (like tk/tcl and everything newer) it would not be hard to create a GUI to wrap around all that and the recoding below. The biggest stumbling block is a real ffmpeg. Did you have to remove libav? > For the last 'drawback' you can convert to a compressed video format > such as webm. Recently I am use (again stolen, ehm, inspired from some > online forum [2]): > > ffmpeg -y -i "$INFILE" -threads 8 -f webm -vcodec libvpx -g 120 -level > 216 -profile 0 -qmax 42 -qmin 10 -rc_buf_aggressivity 0.95 -vb 2M > -acodec libvorbis -aq 90 -ac 2 $OUTFILE > > This will give a nice webm video which is about 20% the filesize of the > original avi > > Here is a quick short example of the final output: > http://gnufunk.org/~lorenzosu/temp/ffmpeg_grab_test.webm > > > Hope this helps > Lorenzo. > PS This (longer) was also created with the same technique: > http://vimeo.com/36609964 > > [1] I succeed on Debian wheezy amd64 following this: > https://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide > [2] I actually found the source for this: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522381&p=9539218#post9539218 - > thanks demizer > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From robin at gareus.org Sat Jun 8 06:25:21 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 08:25:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] balance.lv2 Message-ID: <51B2CE51.1000902@gareus.org> I'm happy to announce balance.lv2. balance.lv2 is a LV2 audio-plugin for stereo balance control with optional per channel delay released in terms of the GPLv2. https://github.com/x42/balance.lv2 balance.lv2 facilitates adjusting stereo-microphone recordings (X-Y, A-B, ORTF). But it also generally useful as "Input Channel Conditioner". It allows for attenuating the signal on one of the channels as well as delaying the signals (move away from the microphone). To round off the feature-set channels can be phase-inverted, swapped and the signal can be downmixed to mono. It features a Phase-Correlation meter as well as peak programme meters according to IEC 60268-18 (5ms integration, 20dB/1.5 sec fall-off) for input and output signals. balance.lv2 is *not* a panner. Even though the controls can be linked, the stereo signal paths are completely independent (except for the down-mix to mono output routing option). Many thanks to Chris 'oofus' Goddard who inspired the current signal flow, beta-tested the plugin and provided very valuable feedback. Greetings to J?rn Nettingsmeier who nagged me about not having a proper balance controller in Ardour and motivated this project in the first place. yours truly, robin From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 15:35:19 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:35:19 -0400 Subject: [LAU] balance.lv2 In-Reply-To: <51B2CE51.1000902@gareus.org> References: <51B2CE51.1000902@gareus.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > balance.lv2 is a LV2 audio-plugin for stereo balance control with > optional per channel delay released in terms of the GPLv2. Nice! The 'mixdown to mono' option will be very useful, too, for checking mixes. Worked fine in Ardour3, but crashes Mixbus 2.3.1 when inserting into a channel. :-( -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From brummer- at web.de Sat Jun 8 17:17:37 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 19:17:37 +0200 Subject: [LAU] balance.lv2 In-Reply-To: References: <51B2CE51.1000902@gareus.org> Message-ID: <51B36731.9080700@web.de> Am 08.06.2013 17:35, schrieb Brett McCoy: > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > > >> balance.lv2 is a LV2 audio-plugin for stereo balance control with >> optional per channel delay released in terms of the GPLv2. > Nice! The 'mixdown to mono' option will be very useful, too, for checking mixes. > > Worked fine in Ardour3, but crashes Mixbus 2.3.1 when inserting into a > channel. :-( > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > It's properly because mixbus didn't handle a returned null pointer. I've had a short discussion with Ben Loftis about this issue, related to other plugs, ;-) , he is aware of it and will fix it soon in an subsequent release. greets hermann From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 19:49:23 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:49:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance Message-ID: I am struggling to get usable realtime performance <512 latency on my Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in contrast works fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one else is reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing something wrong. Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a known problem that is being worked on by the kernel devs? James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You have to wait for the next stable kernel: Regards, Clemens From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 10:25:24 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:25:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance In-Reply-To: <51B44515.2020101@ladisch.de> References: <51B44515.2020101@ladisch.de> Message-ID: On Jun 9, 2013 10:04 AM, "Clemens Ladisch" wrote: > > James Stone wrote: > > I am struggling to get usable realtime performance <512 latency on my > > Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in contrast works > > fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one else is > > reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing something wrong. > > Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a known problem > > that is being worked on by the kernel devs? > > You have to wait for the next stable kernel: > > Superb info! Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From len at ovenwerks.net Sun Jun 9 14:16:17 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 07:16:17 -0700 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance Message-ID: <64f61e4ac98d20f21ae0178ce57382a2.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Sat, June 8, 2013 12:49 pm, James Stone wrote: > I am struggling to get usable realtime performance <512 latency on my Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in contrast works > fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one else is reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing something wrong. Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a known problem > that is being worked on by the kernel devs? It should not hurt to use the older kernel though, just run the 3.5. Anyway, I have pointed out the patch to our kernel guy, so hopefully it can appear in the 3.8 if you are running ubuntu 13.04. There should also be a 3.9 or 3.10 pretty soon. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 17:44:17 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:44:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance In-Reply-To: <64f61e4ac98d20f21ae0178ce57382a2.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <64f61e4ac98d20f21ae0178ce57382a2.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > > On Sat, June 8, 2013 12:49 pm, James Stone wrote: > > I am struggling to get usable realtime performance <512 latency on my > Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in contrast > works > > fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one else is > reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing something > wrong. Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a > known problem > > that is being worked on by the kernel devs? > > It should not hurt to use the older kernel though, just run the 3.5. > Anyway, I have pointed out the patch to our kernel guy, so hopefully it > can appear in the 3.8 if you are running ubuntu 13.04. There should also > be a 3.9 or 3.10 pretty soon. > > Thanks Len - this is good to know! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 18:48:53 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 20:48:53 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Desktop recorders - was "Another Reality" LP In-Reply-To: <5ebaf6b131198d025aadb946bba6f844.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <5ebaf6b131198d025aadb946bba6f844.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <51B4CE15.1000703@gmail.com> On 06/07/2013 11:07 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > On Fri, June 7, 2013 1:14 pm, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> On 06/05/2013 10:42 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >>> On 05/28/2013 10:35 PM, Len Ovens wrote: >>> >>>> As a UbuntuStudio team member, I would be very interested in your >>>> findings. We would like to include a desktop recorder, but would prefer >>>> the best we can ship. The xvidcap page says that xvidcap is an OSS >>>> audio >>>> application. >>> >>> I wanna join the choir. >>> >>> I tried the screen casters I know of xvidcap, kazam and recordmydesktop, >>> and non of them are really working (terribly loose description, I know). >> >> Recently, the only effective way I've found to do screen recording with >> jack is using ffmpeg - yet this must be the 'original' ffmpeg not libav >> which is now packaged e.g. in Debian, which I couldn't get to work with >> jack - And this needs to be compiled by hand on debian [1] > > Now if libav would just stop shipping with links from ffmpeg, debian could > ship both... I agree, and I think for clarity they should call it with its proper name (libav or avconv or whatever) and not 'trick' user into installing it when they think they are installing ffmpeg. > >> This is the script I use (adapted from someone else (TM) I found online): >> >> ffmpeg -f jack -ac 2 -i ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 30 -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 >> -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec libx264 -preset ultrafast -threads 0 output.avi >> >> Advantages: >> - it works well (with jack) >> - very good quality >> - good audio/video sync >> Disadvantages: >> - you have to manually calculate the screen size and rectangle (-s and >> -i switches) > > A script that runs xrandr could probably do that automatically. xrandr has > the screen sizes (the size of each monitor with position as well as the > size of combined screen size in the case of two monitors). I think there > are tools that will give a window size and position as well and most of > the screen capture tools allow "rubberbanding" a rectangle, so that should > not be hard either... I am pretty sure I could figure that out in > tk/tcl... my python is not that advanced yet. > >> - you need to connect your jack output(s) to the ffmpeg jack input >> after you've started recording > > jack.plumbing from the jack-tools package might make that less painful. > Possibly some of the session managers too. Yes.. Ideally someone (tm) could hack up a script to select the screen rectangle to capture, the jack outputs you want and then start ffmpeg with the correct parameters and same for jack.plumbing > >> - fairly big output file > > Most of us have fairly big hard drives these days ;) maybe I just don't > do enough recording to make mine seem small. True... what I meant here was mostly related to uploading as you usually want to share your screencast. > > There are enough scripting GUIs around (like tk/tcl and everything newer) > it would not be hard to create a GUI to wrap around all that and the > recoding below. The biggest stumbling block is a real ffmpeg. Did you have > to remove libav? I never installed it. Just went straight to the mentioned 'Compile for ubuntu' guide. Lorenzo > >> For the last 'drawback' you can convert to a compressed video format >> such as webm. Recently I am use (again stolen, ehm, inspired from some >> online forum [2]): >> >> ffmpeg -y -i "$INFILE" -threads 8 -f webm -vcodec libvpx -g 120 -level >> 216 -profile 0 -qmax 42 -qmin 10 -rc_buf_aggressivity 0.95 -vb 2M >> -acodec libvorbis -aq 90 -ac 2 $OUTFILE >> >> This will give a nice webm video which is about 20% the filesize of the >> original avi >> >> Here is a quick short example of the final output: >> http://gnufunk.org/~lorenzosu/temp/ffmpeg_grab_test.webm >> >> >> Hope this helps >> Lorenzo. >> PS This (longer) was also created with the same technique: >> http://vimeo.com/36609964 >> >> [1] I succeed on Debian wheezy amd64 following this: >> https://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide >> [2] I actually found the source for this: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522381&p=9539218#post9539218 - >> thanks demizer >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Mon Jun 10 08:01:24 2013 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:01:24 +1000 Subject: [LAU] FLAC 1.3.0 released Message-ID: <20130610180124.aa002977356bf9ac14cafb3e@mega-nerd.com> Dear Free Audio Tool Lovers, I am very pleased to announce the first official release of FLAC, the Free Lossless Audio Codec, in over 6 years. FLAC is not dead! It is however a mature software product that is now being maintained by a team working under the auscpices of the Xiph.Org Foundation. The executive summary of changes in this new version: * Nothing major. * Source tree is now hosted in Xiph.org git: git clone git://git.xiph.org/flac.git * Read and write appropriate channel masks for 6.1 and 7.1 surround input WAV files. * Added support for encoding from and decoding to the RF64 format. * Lots of build system fixes for your building enjoyment. The full changelog is here: https://www.xiph.org/flac/changelog.html Happy lossless encoding and decoding. Cheers, The FLAC project contribitors From chris at mccormick.cx Mon Jun 10 08:30:19 2013 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:30:19 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Build VST .dlls on Linux, cross compiled for Windows Message-ID: <51B58E9B.2090000@mccormick.cx> Oh god, it's hideous: https://github.com/chr15m/MonsterVST Cheers, Chris. -- http://mccormick.cx/ From hollunder at lavabit.com Mon Jun 10 10:12:42 2013 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:12:42 +0200 Subject: [LAU] FLAC 1.3.0 released In-Reply-To: <20130610180124.aa002977356bf9ac14cafb3e@mega-nerd.com> References: <20130610180124.aa002977356bf9ac14cafb3e@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20130610121242.0c604d1c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:01:24 +1000 Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Dear Free Audio Tool Lovers, > > I am very pleased to announce the first official release of FLAC, the > Free Lossless Audio Codec, in over 6 years. FLAC is not dead! It is > however a mature software product that is now being maintained by a > team working under the auscpices of the Xiph.Org Foundation. > > The executive summary of changes in this new version: > * Nothing major. > * Source tree is now hosted in Xiph.org git: git clone > git://git.xiph.org/flac.git > * Read and write appropriate channel masks for 6.1 and 7.1 surround > input WAV files. > * Added support for encoding from and decoding to the RF64 format. > * Lots of build system fixes for your building enjoyment. > > The full changelog is here: https://www.xiph.org/flac/changelog.html > > Happy lossless encoding and decoding. > > Cheers, > The FLAC project contribitors Thanks Erik, it's good to hear that FLAC is being maintained, as it is an important format. Reading the changelog, some changes seem worth mentioning to me, even if the format itself was not changed. Regards, Philipp From abhayadevs at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 16:23:37 2013 From: abhayadevs at gmail.com (Abhayadev S) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:53:37 +0530 Subject: [LAU] Syncing Jack in multiple machines Message-ID: Hi, Anyways to sync jack running in multiple machines? I have a video player in my laptop (QJadeo) to be synced with the Jack in my desktop. is it possible via network (OSC)? Regards, Abhayadev S http://sites.google.com/site/abhayadevs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Jun 10 16:27:28 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:27:28 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Syncing Jack in multiple machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: netjack provides sample-accurate sync across all machines. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Abhayadev S wrote: > Hi, > > Anyways to sync jack running in multiple machines? I have a video player > in my laptop (QJadeo) to be synced with the Jack in my desktop. is it > possible via network (OSC)? > > Regards, > Abhayadev S > http://sites.google.com/site/abhayadevs > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at linuxaudio.org Mon Jun 10 21:43:29 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:43:29 +0000 Subject: [LAU] fireflies Message-ID: <20130610214329.GA20141@linuxaudio.org> Hello all, Returning home late, on the way from the car parking to my door I was greeted by a nebula of hundreds of fireflies doing their social thing. A lovely thing to see, but it also reminded me that I should really post the following: The last months I'm receiving lots of invitations to join Circles, Friends, Contacts etc. etc. on Google+, Facebook, LinkedIn etc. etc, many of which from members of this list. While I do appreciate the motivation behind such requests, I will never accept them, and from now on I will also stop responding to any such invitations. If you want to discuss anything (Linux) audio you're welcome to get in contact via private email or the LAU or LAD mailing lists. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From robin at gareus.org Tue Jun 11 22:26:07 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 00:26:07 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Syncing Jack in multiple machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B7A3FF.7020209@gareus.org> On 06/10/2013 06:23 PM, Abhayadev S wrote: > Hi, > > Anyways to sync jack running in multiple machines? I have a video player in > my laptop (QJadeo) to be synced with the Jack in my desktop. is it possible > via network (OSC)? > Yes, xjadeo supports OSC, there's even an old script in xjadeo's contrib folder for doing that. -- but you really really do not want to use OSC. As Paul pointed out: If you need network, use netjack which will get you sample-accurate jack-transport sync on remote machines. xjadeo can also sync to MTC and LTC which provide much better accuracy and less jitter (especially the latter) than OSC. Ardour3 can generate both and there are standalone tools available: https://github.com/x42/ltc-tools https://github.com/x42/mtc-tools happy sync'in, robin From tyranorl at free.fr Wed Jun 12 08:17:58 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:17:58 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130612081758.GA4367@sebkhachott.net> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 02:32:34PM +0200, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote : > 2013/5/21 Aurelien : > > Hi all, > > > > Well, this is a bit off-topic, but I know there are a lot of Frank Zappa > > fans in there, and actually, this project will, once more, used free > > software onstage (especially a videoprojection software to simulate the > > decorum). > > > > So, here it is, Sebhka-Chott will perform Frank Zappa's Thing Fish in > > commemoration of his death, 20 years ago. > > > > Thing Fish is kinda Broadway Musical Comedy, but as Zappa wrote it, it's > > absurd, freaks, and funny. Zappa never could perform it on stage, and, > > from what we know, it only has been performed once, in London in 2003. > > > > We will perform it at the Zappanale festival, in Germany, on 2nd of > > August, and moreover, we will perform it in an extended version of > > Sebkha-Chott, implying 13 people, including > > > > *IKE WILLIS* > > > > the original Thing Fish, the singer of the album, and actually, the > > companion of Zappa during his last 20 years. > > > > Today is the day we launch a crowdfunding action, because it's a big > > project, and we need help to make it possible for us to work on this not > > only as volunteers! > > > > A dedicated page is available here: > > http://ammd.net/-Sebkha-Chott-Galoot-Formula- > > > > with some explanations about the project, and with a *TEASER* performed, > > mixed and rendered with free softwares only (you should recognize > > several Sebkha-Chott's typical). > > > > To end up, I must admit, this time, and this time only, we're not > > speaking about free art, cause Zappa Family Trust does not really manage > > Zappa's thunes this way.... > > > > > > Thanks a lot for reading. > > > > Aur?lien > > > > -- > > Aur?lien > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > It seems a really interesting project, and using OSS... and Zappa-ish. > Do you have any place with info about programs, workflow, process, > details? Sorry, I was on tour, and coudln't get back there. So, there is a github concerning video-decorum, which is using VSL: https://github.com/AMMD/ThingFishVideoDecorum Then, we'll be using the very same setup as Sebkha-Chott for audio production, and will use QLC for Lightning control, as well as kvGhislame for main control: https://github.com/AMMD/kvGhislame Unfortunately, we don't have time to present much by now. Hope I will have more time soon. > > Good luck and keep us informed. > > -- > Carlos sanchiavedraz > * Musix GNU+Linux > http://www.musix.es -- Aur?lien From tyranorl at free.fr Wed Jun 12 08:23:23 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:23:23 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 01:00:40PM -0400, Joe Hartley wrote : > On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:53:50 +0200 > Aurelien wrote: > > So, here it is, Sebhka-Chott will perform Frank Zappa's Thing Fish in > > commemoration of his death, 20 years ago. > > Fantastic! While not my favorite work, it's an ambitious project, and, > well, it's Frank! Hey, that's it. It's obviously not the best musical piece of Frank (still there are several fantastic tunes, like Evil Prince Aria, and so on), but we didn't want to cover what has been so much covered already, like Black Page or what, and by the way, it's easier to play!!! ;) > > > To end up, I must admit, this time, and this time only, we're not > > speaking about free art, cause Zappa Family Trust does not really manage > > Zappa's thunes this way.... > > It's very sad to me how the FZT has handled itself. Despite FZ's response > to how he'd like to be remembered ("Keep playing my music"), the FZT > has often gone overboard, even harassing tribute bands like the fantastic > Project/Object for playing Frank's music without paying royalties, even > though all that's required is that the venue the band plays in has an > ASCAP/BMI license. If Gail Zappa was correct in saying the FZT needed to > get paid by the bands, then there'd never be another cover band ever. By the way, you won't be astonished that Ike Willis is alonside with us on that project!! > > I know of one FZ band that stopped playing because of the Trust's > goon squad approach. It was sad to see them give up, but they were > broke and didn't want to have to hire a lawyer. FZT didn't actually > sue them - to the best of my knowledge they have never gone that far - > but the threat was enough. I know she did sue Zappanale for trademark > infringement and lost. Yes, she finally lost. This was really a shitty sue, but the German court finally gets it right. > > I have made the decision not to buy any more Zappa material nor go see > any more Zappa Plays Zappa shows because of the way that the Trust has > tried to extort money that is not legally theirs from performances of > Frank's music. That's exactly the behaviour I've decided to follow, too. > > That said, good luck with this project and I hope you have a fantastic > experience at Zappanale! This will surely be fantastic (as every Zappanale is!). > > -- > ====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Aur?lien From linuxaudio at showlabor.de Wed Jun 12 08:32:31 2013 From: linuxaudio at showlabor.de (Felix Homann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:32:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: Hi Aurelien, You're part of that project? Wow!!! I haven't envied anybody for anything for a very long time. But this sounds just great. Have a lot of fun! Kind regards, Felix P.S.: I would really love to type your name right. I just don't know how to get that accent on the 'e'. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allcoms at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 08:45:39 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:45:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: Felix: Without any ASCII code knowledge, copy/paste is your friend as ever with these Euro names. I'm surprised I'm pointing this out to someone on this list! :) >> >> I have made the decision not to buy any more Zappa material nor go see >> any more Zappa Plays Zappa shows because of the way that the Trust has >> tried to extort money that is not legally theirs from performances of >> Frank's music. > >That's exactly the behaviour I've decided to follow, too. Wha? Let me get this straight - you've posted to a list about free audio asking for money to help perform a Zappa song when you refuse to buy any Zappa music yourself out of principal? Eh? :) I only like 60's Zappa - Hot Rats is the last album I can recommend before his music got a bit too pretentious - and that coming from a prog rock obsessive so I like a good dose of musical one-upmanship, just not the type Zappa started to churn out post 1970. Baby Snakes was a cool film though. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Felix Homann wrote: > Hi Aurelien, > > You're part of that project? Wow!!! I haven't envied anybody for anything > for a very long time. But this sounds just great. > > Have a lot of fun! > > Kind regards, > > Felix > > P.S.: I would really love to type your name right. I just don't know how > to get that accent on the 'e'. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brummer- at web.de Wed Jun 12 08:57:27 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:57:27 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <51B837F7.6090105@web.de> Am 12.06.2013 10:45, schrieb Dan MacDonald: > Kind regards, > > Felix > > P.S.: I would really love to type your name right. I just don't know > how to get that accent on the 'e'. > here this is the key before the backward key (on the right side on top) on the keyboard, press it, and then press the e. Normally when you press, the "`' " key, no sign will appear, but when it is followed by a key which can have accent, it will. So, it's a "prefix key". From hollunder at lavabit.com Wed Jun 12 09:00:24 2013 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:00:24 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130612110024.5c9a13f6@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:32:31 +0200 Felix Homann wrote: > Hi Aurelien, > > You're part of that project? Wow!!! I haven't envied anybody for > anything for a very long time. But this sounds just great. > > Have a lot of fun! > > Kind regards, > > Felix > > P.S.: I would really love to type your name right. I just don't know > how to get that accent on the 'e'. You could use the compose key, a handy feature for all your funky letter needs. Just hit: COMPOSE ' e And there you are: ? Regards, Philipp From tyranorl at free.fr Wed Jun 12 09:06:55 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:06:55 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130612090655.GC4367@sebkhachott.net> Hi Felix, On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:32:31AM +0200, Felix Homann wrote : > Hi Aurelien, > > You're part of that project? Yep, i'll be bass player, and Brown Moses. And actually, I'm writing the code stuff and pd patches used for videoprojection. > Wow!!! I haven't envied anybody for anything > for a very long time. But this sounds just great. Yes, for sure, I would envy me too. Looks a bit like a child dream! > > Have a lot of fun! > > Kind regards, > > Felix > > P.S.: I would really love to type your name right. I just don't know how to > get that accent on the 'e'. No worry. Just copy/paste it! ;) -- Aur?lien From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 12 09:07:19 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:07:19 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: <20130612110024.5c9a13f6@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612110024.5c9a13f6@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <51B83A47.40805@autostatic.com> On 06/12/2013 11:00 AM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > You could use the compose key, a handy feature for all your funky > letter needs. > Just hit: COMPOSE ' e > And there you are: ? > > Regards, > Philipp But then you first need to have a compose key ;) You can use your menu key for this: //etc/default/keyboard/ XKBMODEL="pc105" XKBLAYOUT="us" XKBVARIANT="altgr-intl" XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps,compose:menu" Regards, Jeremy From tyranorl at free.fr Wed Jun 12 09:13:40 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:13:40 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130612091340.GD4367@sebkhachott.net> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:45:39AM +0100, Dan MacDonald wrote : > Felix: > > Without any ASCII code knowledge, copy/paste is your friend as ever with > these Euro names. I'm surprised I'm pointing this out to someone on this > list! :) Yep! > > >> > >> I have made the decision not to buy any more Zappa material nor go see > >> any more Zappa Plays Zappa shows because of the way that the Trust has > >> tried to extort money that is not legally theirs from performances of > >> Frank's music. > > > >That's exactly the behaviour I've decided to follow, too. > > > Wha? > > Let me get this straight - you've posted to a list about free audio asking > for money to help perform a Zappa song when you refuse to buy any Zappa > music yourself out of principal? Eh? :) Hmm, I should precise, I do not buy any Zappa Family Trust release or production (shows). I really think they do something wrong with what they inherited. Then, I usually write and play Free Art Licensed music. Still I'm a totally un-objective Zappa fan (and some other acts, too, like Mr Bungle, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum...), and unfortunately, Zappa's music is not really licensed as free art.... That's the first time since Sebkha-Chott exists (14 years) we go out of our strictly free way, but we felt we had too. > > I only like 60's Zappa - Hot Rats is the last album I can recommend before > his music got a bit too pretentious Oh really? Actually, I'm totally fond of Freak out! (probably my favourite), but do love also many of his lives, including Roxy, obvisouly, but also New York, Filmore (really, I do love that one), or any You can't do that on stage anymore, and finally, I adore Broadway the Hard Way (believe it or not). But I wouldn't tell those ones are pretentious, actually, much more "MUSICAL" like it's said in Thing Fish. > - and that coming from a prog rock > obsessive so I like a good dose of musical one-upmanship, just not the type > Zappa started to churn out post 1970. > > Baby Snakes was a cool film though. Sure it was. There is an incredible bass/keyboards/drums piece at one moment, which is just the perfect example of what improvisation can lead to. Line up is Patrick O'Hearn, Terry Bozzio, and Tommy Mars. Both of them shall be 20 to 25 years old.... utch! > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Felix Homann wrote: > > > Hi Aurelien, > > > > You're part of that project? Wow!!! I haven't envied anybody for anything > > for a very long time. But this sounds just great. > > > > Have a lot of fun! > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Felix > > > > P.S.: I would really love to type your name right. I just don't know how > > to get that accent on the 'e'. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > -- Aur?lien From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Jun 12 09:55:19 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:55:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] Giving JACKD a device NAME on the commandline Message-ID: Hello everyone! I just tried to give JACK a real cardname on the commandline instead of the hw:0. Reason, there are several soundcards in that machine, including USB devices. I looked at /proc/asound/cards and copied the name "M1010LT". And then I ran this command: jackd --timeout 4500 -R -d alsa -d M1010LT -r 48000 -p 128 -z shaped JACK told me, that M1010LT caused an ALSA open error, since the device was unknown. This is JACK1. JACK is run by a user with the necessary rights and limits set. With -d hw:3 it works. Whilst I'm here, I might as well ask, what the easiest way would be to automatically start JACK, when the system boots? If that helps, the system is running a graphical session and I believe, this could be the case constantly. So if there's a typical solution involving that, it could be a way. Thanks for any help on either of those. Warmly yours julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 12 10:02:02 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:02:02 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Giving JACKD a device NAME on the commandline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B8471A.5070903@autostatic.com> On 06/12/2013 11:55 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello everyone! > I just tried to give JACK a real cardname on the commandline instead > of the hw:0. Reason, there are several soundcards in that machine, > including USB devices. I looked at /proc/asound/cards and copied the > name "M1010LT". And then I ran this command: > jackd --timeout 4500 -R -d alsa -d M1010LT -r 48000 -p 128 -z shaped Hi Julien, Try jackd -t 4500 -d alsa -d hw:M1010LT -p 128 -z shaped You omitted the hw: part before the ALSA card name. I've omitted -R and -r 48000 because those are default values. > JACK told me, that M1010LT caused an ALSA open error, since the > device was unknown. This is JACK1. JACK is run by a user with the > necessary rights and limits set. With -d hw:3 it works. > Whilst I'm here, I might as well ask, what the easiest way would be > to automatically start JACK, when the system boots? If that helps, the > system is running a graphical session and I believe, this could be the > case constantly. So if there's a typical solution involving that, it > could be a way. Then it would be best to have JACK started by that particular session. There are several ways to do this, probably starting JACK from .bashrc would be the easiest way to set this up. Regards, Jeremy > Thanks for any help on either of those. > Warmly yours > julien > > ---------------------------------------- > http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Jun 12 10:38:45 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:38:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] Giving JACKD a device NAME on the commandline In-Reply-To: <51B8471A.5070903@autostatic.com> References: <51B8471A.5070903@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeremy! Thanks for your answer. From the examples I found on the net, I didn't think of the hw: part. But it sounds reasonable. :-) I assumed as much about the .bashrc, but thought, that there might be a /etc based solution. Still, this sounds very good. Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From tyranorl at free.fr Wed Jun 12 10:48:46 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:48:46 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? Message-ID: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> Hi, My basic question is : do you know a notation editor, which would also be a MIDI sequencer, which presents itself in ALSA MIDI or better in Jack MIDI, which supports jack transport, and which allows one to export in lilypond *AND* to write correct drums notation (with custom drummap if possible)? My entire problematic follows. I'm beginning to work on a new Sebkha-Chott album, and I've got kind of a dilemma. Several years ago, I was working with Rosegarden, for composition, which was quite cool, but the drums notation was crappy, and it looks it's always the case. Moreover, it doesn't fit exactly the needs I have now : - writing the notation for every organic musicians (bass, drums, guitars, horns, keyboards, vocals...) in a very readable and clean way, - writing the sequences for every synths, drummachine, samples, and so on ; for this, I'm thinking about writing the sequences in the matricial sequencer (seq24 or non-sequencer) I'm going to use onstage, and triggered them from the notation editor/sequencer, so that I don't have to write those sequences twice. That's why I'm looking for a MIDI sequencer/notation editor, which is jack transport capable, and so on. Any idea welcome! See you Aur?lien -- Aur?lien From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 10:56:47 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:56:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: On Jun 12, 2013 11:49 AM, "Aurelien" wrote: > > Hi, > > My basic question is : do you know a notation editor, which would also > be a MIDI sequencer, which presents itself in ALSA MIDI or better in > Jack MIDI, which supports jack transport, and which allows one to export > in lilypond *AND* to write correct drums notation (with custom drummap > if possible)? > > I'm not sure but maybe Musecore? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Zappa never could perform it on stage, and, >> > from what we know, it only has been performed once, in London in 2003. >> > >> > We will perform it at the Zappanale festival, in Germany, on 2nd of >> > August, and moreover, we will perform it in an extended version of >> > Sebkha-Chott, implying 13 people, including >> > >> > *IKE WILLIS* >> > >> > the original Thing Fish, the singer of the album, and actually, the >> > companion of Zappa during his last 20 years. >> > >> > Today is the day we launch a crowdfunding action, because it's a big >> > project, and we need help to make it possible for us to work on this not >> > only as volunteers! >> > >> > A dedicated page is available here: >> > http://ammd.net/-Sebkha-Chott-Galoot-Formula- >> > >> > with some explanations about the project, and with a *TEASER* performed, >> > mixed and rendered with free softwares only (you should recognize >> > several Sebkha-Chott's typical). >> > >> > To end up, I must admit, this time, and this time only, we're not >> > speaking about free art, cause Zappa Family Trust does not really manage >> > Zappa's thunes this way.... >> > >> > >> > Thanks a lot for reading. >> > >> > Aur?lien >> > >> > -- >> > Aur?lien >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Linux-audio-user mailing list >> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >> It seems a really interesting project, and using OSS... and Zappa-ish. >> Do you have any place with info about programs, workflow, process, >> details? > > Sorry, I was on tour, and coudln't get back there. > So, there is a github concerning video-decorum, which is using VSL: > https://github.com/AMMD/ThingFishVideoDecorum > > Then, we'll be using the very same setup as Sebkha-Chott for audio > production, and will use QLC for Lightning control, as well as > kvGhislame for main control: > https://github.com/AMMD/kvGhislame > > Unfortunately, we don't have time to present much by now. Hope I will > have more time soon. > > >> >> Good luck and keep us informed. >> >> -- >> Carlos sanchiavedraz >> * Musix GNU+Linux >> http://www.musix.es > > -- > Aur?lien I would love to see some video to get a better idea of what those programs do and how. Thanks for sharing. -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From linuxaudio at showlabor.de Wed Jun 12 12:58:35 2013 From: linuxaudio at showlabor.de (Felix Homann) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:58:35 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: <20130612090655.GC4367@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612090655.GC4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: Hi Wladimir Ohrelianov II, that works without any accents ;-) 2013/6/12 Aurelien > > > > > You're part of that project? > > Yep, i'll be bass player, and Brown Moses. And actually, I'm writing the > code stuff and pd patches used for videoprojection. > Great! Please, tell me that your using an FTU on stage. 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"Broadway the Hard Way" *is* great. It's very political and still the band has so much fun playing so precisely! "Freak out!" and "Absoulutely Free" started it all for me (purchased them on the same day). They're both still two of my favourites. I very much like "Burnt Weeny Sandwich", love "Hot Rats" and "Bongo Fury", and well at some time I even liked "Uncle Meat". > > > Baby Snakes was a cool film though. > > It still is! It is visually mind blowing. I hope there will be a DVD release of "The amazing Mr. Bickford" one day. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jyrgen.dengo at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 15:50:14 2013 From: jyrgen.dengo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Dengo?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:50:14 +0300 Subject: [LAU] greetings from a blind user Message-ID: <51B898B6.2040202@gmail.com> Hello, I've considered starting using linux again. And sinse making music with a computer is a priority for me. I thought I would ask here, what kind of environments are there, that I could use to make music on linux with. A few of you might know, that I have made tracks with the windows version of zynaddsubfx, but I thought to give linux a try. So if any of you, especially I heard there are some visually impaired users like myself, have used linux for music production, could give me advice, then I would be really grateful. The main questions first would be, which environment to use and also, have anyone of you tried to connect a korg R3 as a midi keyboard to a daw. Also, I'll need to search for drivers working with my creative soundblaster audigy4. Thanks in advance, yours sincerely, Deng? J?rgen From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Jun 12 16:12:38 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] greetings from a blind user In-Reply-To: <51B898B6.2040202@gmail.com> References: <51B898B6.2040202@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello J?rgen! I myself am blind and have made music with Linux since the early 2000s. Thera re several choices for you, depending on your commitment and workflow. There is the graphical user interface, mainly the GNOME environment with Orca. They are getting better and better all the time. You now have QT support in the more recent versions, meaning a wider range of usable applications. I'm not very familiar with the graphics, but I've heard of some, who had reasonable success with gx-head, jOrgan and others. I don't know, how usable ZynAddSubFX or Yoshimi are with current libraries, worth a try. On the commandline you will find a good deal of software. From my favourite piece of all time Nama, a DAW, to access to synthesizers of all kind. I have several MIDI keyboards hooked up to my system. I've never used them to control a DAW though. I'm pretty sure - not 100% -, that built-in DAW control features won't really work. and before you start getting hungry for Ardour: it's not for us. The basis widget is not accessible and it's designed around that. Your soundcard won't be an issue. I've seen the drivers for the audigy, when I investigated my E-MU card. I believe mycard even uses the whole or part of tat driver. Something not possible on the commandline is MIDI sequencing, as in step-sequencing and finely grained note/pattern editing. You might find, that some of the graphical sequencers work. That's for someone else to tell. If you have more specific questions for certain pieces of software, I'll be glad to help. Ki9nd regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From malnourite at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 16:22:33 2013 From: malnourite at gmail.com (J. Liles) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:22:33 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the transport sync capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, and exprots to lilypond. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:48 AM, Aurelien wrote: > Hi, > > My basic question is : do you know a notation editor, which would also > be a MIDI sequencer, which presents itself in ALSA MIDI or better in > Jack MIDI, which supports jack transport, and which allows one to export > in lilypond *AND* to write correct drums notation (with custom drummap > if possible)? > > > My entire problematic follows. > > I'm beginning to work on a new Sebkha-Chott album, and I've got kind of > a dilemma. > > Several years ago, I was working with Rosegarden, for composition, which > was quite cool, but the drums notation was crappy, and it looks it's > always the case. > Moreover, it doesn't fit exactly the needs I have now : > - writing the notation for every organic musicians (bass, drums, > guitars, horns, keyboards, vocals...) in a very readable and clean > way, > - writing the sequences for every synths, drummachine, samples, and so > on ; for this, I'm thinking about writing the sequences in the > matricial sequencer (seq24 or non-sequencer) I'm going to use onstage, > and triggered them from the notation editor/sequencer, so that I don't > have to write those sequences twice. > > That's why I'm looking for a MIDI sequencer/notation editor, which is > jack transport capable, and so on. > > Any idea welcome! > > See you > > Aur?lien > > > -- > Aur?lien > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once again comes from your side, male!!! Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the transport sync > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, and exprots > > to lilypond. > > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the latest release. > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Aur?lien From wrl at illest.net Wed Jun 12 19:01:01 2013 From: wrl at illest.net (William Light) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:01:01 +0200 Subject: [LAU] New song: `indigo` Message-ID: <20130612190101.GA20472@dudestache.don.gs> Hey LAU, Here's a song I just finished earlier today. From nothing to a complete track inside of a week is a new personal record for me, especially considering how proud I am of this one. It's a mid-tempo, very breakbeat-heavy electronic track. As usual, produced in Renoise. Lots of Loomer Aspect, lots of CAPS and Foo distortion plugins, and lots of field recordings. Please excuse the Soundcloud link. I'd prefer not to share around an MP3 or Ogg just yet, as I'm putting together a short EP to release later in the summer for a few bucks on Bandcamp. Without further ado: http://soundcloud.com/visinin/indigo enjoy! -w From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Jun 12 19:26:50 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:26:50 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: laborejo is a product of Nils Gey. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Aurelien wrote: > Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once > again comes from your side, male!!! > > Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi > implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : > > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: > > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the transport > sync > > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, and > exprots > > > to lilypond. > > > > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the latest > release. > > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -- > Aur?lien > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Jun 12 19:35:20 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:35:20 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <51B8CD78.9050306@hawaii.rr.com> Hmm, I'm happy with Rosegarden. It does scores better than most sequencers. I don't use the drum parts of it, though, so can't comment on how well that works or doesn't work. On 06/12/2013 09:26 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > laborejo is a product of Nils Gey. > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Aurelien wrote: > > Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once > again comes from your side, male!!! > > Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi > implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : > > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: > > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the > transport sync > > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, > and exprots > > > to lilypond. > > > > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the > latest release. > > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From tyranorl at free.fr Wed Jun 12 19:58:14 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:58:14 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130612195814.GB20198@sebkhachott.net> Hi Paul, Yep, that's not what I meant, actually, but my english sometimes tricks me. I miss the good idea (cause from what I've seen now, it looks like a good idea), came from male. Anyhow, I find several similarities in the way of presenting the "product" in the user manual of laborejo and non-softs!!! ;) On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 03:26:50PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote : > laborejo is a product of Nils Gey. > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Aurelien wrote: > > > Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once > > again comes from your side, male!!! > > > > Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi > > implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : > > > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: > > > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the transport > > sync > > > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, and > > exprots > > > > to lilypond. > > > > > > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the latest > > release. > > > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > -- > > Aur?lien > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -- Aur?lien From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Jun 12 19:58:47 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:58:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New song: `indigo` In-Reply-To: <20130612190101.GA20472@dudestache.don.gs> References: <20130612190101.GA20472@dudestache.don.gs> Message-ID: <20130612205847.31d6a01a@debian> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:01:01 +0200 William Light wrote: > Hey LAU, > Here's a song I just finished earlier today. From nothing to a complete > track inside of a week is a new personal record for me, especially > considering how proud I am of this one. It's a mid-tempo, very > breakbeat-heavy electronic track. > > As usual, produced in Renoise. Lots of Loomer Aspect, lots of CAPS and > Foo distortion plugins, and lots of field recordings. > > Please excuse the Soundcloud link. I'd prefer not to share around an MP3 > or Ogg just yet, as I'm putting together a short EP to release later in > the summer for a few bucks on Bandcamp. > > Without further ado: > http://soundcloud.com/visinin/indigo > > enjoy! > -w Liked this, thanks for sharing. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From tyranorl at free.fr Wed Jun 12 19:59:01 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:59:01 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: <51B8CD78.9050306@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> <51B8CD78.9050306@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130612195900.GC20198@sebkhachott.net> Rosegarden is fine for many uses, but clearly for drums, if you want to write "clean" scores, it is not the good option. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:35:20AM -1000, david wrote : > Hmm, I'm happy with Rosegarden. It does scores better than most > sequencers. I don't use the drum parts of it, though, so can't > comment on how well that works or doesn't work. > > On 06/12/2013 09:26 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > >laborejo is a product of Nils Gey. > > > > > >On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Aurelien wrote: > > > > Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once > > again comes from your side, male!!! > > > > Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi > > implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : > > > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: > > > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the > > transport sync > > > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, > > and exprots > > > > to lilypond. > > > > > > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the > > latest release. > > > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 > > > -- > David > gnome at hawaii.rr.com > authenticity, honesty, community > http://dancingtreefrog.com > http://clanjones.org/david/ > http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Aur?lien From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Jun 12 20:20:53 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:20:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] greetings from a blind user In-Reply-To: References: <51B898B6.2040202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130612212053.2525751d@debian> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello J?rgen! > I myself am blind and have made music with Linux since the early 2000s. > Thera re several choices for you, depending on your commitment and workflow. > There is the graphical user interface, mainly the GNOME environment with Orca. > They are getting better and better all the time. You now have QT support in > the more recent versions, meaning a wider range of usable applications. I'm > not very familiar with the graphics, but I've heard of some, who had > reasonable success with gx-head, jOrgan and others. I don't know, how usable > ZynAddSubFX or Yoshimi are with current libraries, worth a try. > On the commandline you will find a good deal of software. From my favourite > piece of all time Nama, a DAW, to access to synthesizers of all kind. > I have several MIDI keyboards hooked up to my system. I've never used them > to control a DAW though. I'm pretty sure - not 100% -, that built-in DAW > control features won't really work. and before you start getting hungry for > Ardour: it's not for us. The basis widget is not accessible and it's designed > around that. > Your soundcard won't be an issue. I've seen the drivers for the audigy, when > I investigated my E-MU card. I believe mycard even uses the whole or part of > tat driver. > Something not possible on the commandline is MIDI sequencing, as in > step-sequencing and finely grained note/pattern editing. You might find, that > some of the graphical sequencers work. That's for someone else to tell. > If you have more specific questions for certain pieces of software, I'll be > glad to help. > Ki9nd regards > Julien Sighted person so forgive me if I'm talking nonsense! Are you just wanting to use zyn (or yoshi) with the existing instrument banks, or are you wanting to try to alter parameters? If the latter, I don't think you'll have much success, but you *can* play existing voice patches from the command line by using the -L option so: /usr/local/yoshimi -L /usr/local//share/Music/Zyn/bank/Collection/0007-Ethereal.xiz I don't know about zyn, but yoshi allows multiple instances so you could load up separate instances with just one voice on channel 1 of that instance (the instances are fairly obvious to jack. Does this help at all? -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Jun 12 21:31:36 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:31:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] New song: `indigo` In-Reply-To: <20130612190101.GA20472@dudestache.don.gs> References: <20130612190101.GA20472@dudestache.don.gs> Message-ID: Hellowilliam! It's been some time again, which is a pitty. but I'm awaiting your full album. If this is anything to go by, then I might enjoy a full length EP as well. Probably not on the daily list, but certainly in the list, amongst all that progressive rock. :-) Honestly: nice song, simplistic in its arrangement,in a way very straight forward, but I like those indecided harmonies. Not exactly minor, not exactly major. In combination with the current time, I'm waiting for Ulrich Land to announce the thursday night crime and thrillers on our public radio. He always played such tracks. Slightly dark, a little oneiric and out of this world. I hope the album contains even more breakbeats. The sounds as ever were good. Not as charismatic and singular as with "Something wrong with your feet", but that of course was a completely different workflow and original mindset. Still, I like it, that you never succomb to the contemporary equivalents of "salat hitting the field" bass drums and other sins of the time. Even the Lost in London remix, that we so criticised for its drums had bite. And you stick to it with this little tune. Is there a processed voice sample in it in the left channel? this is something, that attracted my ear and wouldn't let go. :-) OK, now I may actually have to listen to one of those thriller radioplays to satisfy my Pablow reflex. :-) Keep on the good work, as lofi as this and breakbeat as this or as hifi and four-to-the-floor as the "all I need" remix. Uphold the appearance of good bassdrums in all kinds of electronic styles! Warm regards and thanks for sharing Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From david.jo.adler at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 21:33:22 2013 From: david.jo.adler at gmail.com (David Adler) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:33:22 +0200 Subject: [LAU] greetings from a blind user In-Reply-To: <20130612212053.2525751d@debian> References: <51B898B6.2040202@gmail.com> <20130612212053.2525751d@debian> Message-ID: On 6/12/13, Will Godfrey wrote: ... > If the latter, I don't think you'll have much success, but you *can* play > existing voice patches from the command line by using the -L option so: > > /usr/local/yoshimi -L > /usr/local//share/Music/Zyn/bank/Collection/0007-Ethereal.xiz And there is the -i option, to suppress the gui. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Jun 13 06:06:01 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:06:01 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: <20130612195900.GC20198@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> <51B8CD78.9050306@hawaii.rr.com> <20130612195900.GC20198@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <51B96149.8090303@hawaii.rr.com> What sequencers do good drum scores? I've never even dealt with a drum score. On 06/12/2013 09:59 AM, Aurelien wrote: > Rosegarden is fine for many uses, but clearly for drums, if you want to > write "clean" scores, it is not the good option. > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:35:20AM -1000, david wrote : >> Hmm, I'm happy with Rosegarden. It does scores better than most >> sequencers. I don't use the drum parts of it, though, so can't >> comment on how well that works or doesn't work. >> >> On 06/12/2013 09:26 AM, Paul Davis wrote: >>> laborejo is a product of Nils Gey. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Aurelien wrote: >>> >>> Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once >>> again comes from your side, male!!! >>> >>> Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi >>> implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : >>> > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: >>> > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the >>> transport sync >>> > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, >>> and exprots >>> > > to lilypond. >>> > >>> > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the >>> latest release. >>> > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Jun 13 11:53:16 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:53:16 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> On 05/27/2013 05:00 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: > 2013/5/27 Jeremy Jongepier : >> On 05/27/2013 03:08 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: >>> >>> As I'm also tweaking RPi for audio, I'd be interested in the good and >>> bad of these little devices also. >>> >> >> Hello Carlos, >> >> I'll open a new thread once I received it and it's running something other >> than Android. > > I'll be waiting eagerly for it :). > Well, not a new thread, I'll reuse this one. Got my RK3066 based device in, it's probably a UG802 model. Debian Wheezy runs happily on it but I think I'm using a crappy kernel (3.0.8+ from AndrewDB). So what are others using? And anybody experiences with running Linux from NAND instead of Micro SD? Regards, Jeremy From kevinc at cosgroves.us Fri Jun 14 05:51:13 2013 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:51:13 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Audio Streaming Server for Linux Message-ID: <20130614055113.762FEBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> Hi folks, I've got all of my CD collection ripped into FLAC on my computer. I'd like to be able to play my music from a remote computer, primarily at work, and play my music on my Android phone. All of these devices have a modern version of Firefox installed, and a couple of them also have either the free or partly free Chrome browser installed. The server would likely need to have some way to convert from FLAC to a lossy format, e.g. OGG, lessen speed requirements on the network. A quick web search found: CherryMusic - http://www.fomori.org/cherrymusic/ streeme - http://code.google.com/p/streeme/ Zeya - http://web.psung.name/zeya/ and http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/serve-your-music-zeya All of the above make use of HTML5. In evaluating what to install and use I'll be comparing to Amarok, which I like a lot for its features, but it still has some bugs that cause it to crash and require removal of all it's config files before restarting. Luckily, that's much more rare than it used to be. I'll also be comparing to the GoneMAD Music Player Android app http://gonemadmusicplayer.blogspot.com/ which I like quite a lot for supporting FLAC, playing in gap-less mode and being really solid, except that sometimes the menu containing "exit" won't persist long enough to actually press "exit". My second consideration is ease of installation. Do any of you have a preference for one of the above streaming software packages, or even something else? If so, why do you make your recommendation(s)? Thanks much people.... P.S.: I'll write back with a summary, after I get something running. -- Kevin From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 06:03:29 2013 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:03:29 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Audio Streaming Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <20130614055113.762FEBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20130614055113.762FEBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: 2013/6/14 Kevin Cosgrove > Hi folks, > > I've got all of my CD collection ripped into FLAC on my computer. > I'd like to be able to play my music from a remote computer, > primarily at work, and play my music on my Android phone. All > of these devices have a modern version of Firefox installed, and > a couple of them also have either the free or partly free Chrome > browser installed. The server would likely need to have some way > to convert from FLAC to a lossy format, e.g. OGG, lessen speed > requirements on the network. A quick web search found: > > CherryMusic - http://www.fomori.org/cherrymusic/ > streeme - http://code.google.com/p/streeme/ > Zeya - http://web.psung.name/zeya/ and > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/serve-your-music-zeya > > All of the above make use of HTML5. > > In evaluating what to install and use I'll be comparing to > Amarok, which I like a lot for its features, but it still has > some bugs that cause it to crash and require removal of all it's > config files before restarting. Luckily, that's much more rare > than it used to be. I'll also be comparing to the GoneMAD Music > Player Android app http://gonemadmusicplayer.blogspot.com/ which > I like quite a lot for supporting FLAC, playing in gap-less mode > and being really solid, except that sometimes the menu containing > "exit" won't persist long enough to actually press "exit". > > My second consideration is ease of installation. > > Do any of you have a preference for one of the above streaming > software packages, or even something else? If so, why do you > make your recommendation(s)? > > Thanks much people.... > If your net.admin doesn't worry about incoming connection from your remote pc, try using a radio streaming app such icecast. It's quite easy to setup and streams oggs /r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevinc at cosgroves.us Fri Jun 14 06:14:15 2013 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:14:15 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Audio Streaming Server for Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130614061415.C4D03BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 14 June 2013 at 8:03, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > If your net.admin doesn't worry about incoming connection from > your remote pc, try using a radio streaming app such icecast. > It's quite easy to setup and streams oggs Until recently even SSH was frowned upon, but now works outbound without taking special measures. Now I can ssh from my desk at work to my machine at home and display clients on my Linux machine at work, or via NoMachine on Windows. Inbound (from wild to work) requires VPN be running. I know HTTP[S] gets through either direction. But, many ports are shut at the company firewall. I do the same thing. Should I infer that icecast wants to set up the connection from the wild to the client machine? If so, then it would need to run over VPN, and that's a show-stopper. Thanks! -- Kevin From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 06:29:21 2013 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:29:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Audio Streaming Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <20130614061415.C4D03BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20130614061415.C4D03BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: 2013/6/14 Kevin Cosgrove > > On 14 June 2013 at 8:03, Raffaele Morelli > wrote: > > > If your net.admin doesn't worry about incoming connection from > > your remote pc, try using a radio streaming app such icecast. > > It's quite easy to setup and streams oggs > > Until recently even SSH was frowned upon, but now works outbound > without taking special measures. Now I can ssh from my desk at work > to my machine at home and display clients on my Linux machine at > work, or via NoMachine on Windows. > > Inbound (from wild to work) requires VPN be running. I know > HTTP[S] gets through either direction. But, many ports are shut > at the company firewall. I do the same thing. > > Should I infer that icecast wants to set up the connection from > the wild to the client machine? If so, then it would need to run > over VPN, and that's a show-stopper. > You don't need ssh nor vpn for that, icecast server (your home pc) will be accessed from the internet. If you can browse the internet without restriction... there you go. ssh is good in your case because you will be able to change playlists and do other stuff which requires admin access. icecast is simple enough to setup and run in few steps, from then on you can use many clients to manage you streams, from cli or using a gui. check icecast.org if it fits to your needs. /r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lau at dadacafe.org Fri Jun 14 07:46:28 2013 From: lau at dadacafe.org (tee) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:46:28 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Audio Streaming Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <20130614055113.762FEBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20130614055113.762FEBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: <51BACA54.4080306@dadacafe.org> Hello, On 14/06/2013 07:51, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'd like to be able to play my music from a remote computer, > My second consideration is ease of installation. if you want some more "luxury" around this install, you could do the following: install mpd(1) on the computer at home connect it to icecast (2) add a webinterface on top (3) hth, Tee 1) http://www.musicpd.org/ 2) http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Configuration 3) http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients#Web_Clients_2 From angelv at iac.es Fri Jun 14 08:32:11 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:32:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file Message-ID: Hi all, this weekend I need to do some synchronization work, and I was planning to use Qtractor (though I've never used it before), but I thought I might ask here, in case you think there are better tools to accomplish this. My setting is very simple: I have a two guitars piece and I have recorded one of the parts myself. For the second guitar I have entered the score with Rosegarden. But now I want to fine-tune the mixing of both and I want to be able to synchronize the MIDI file to my playing. With Rosegarden and the piano roll, I can easily stretch/move each of the MIDI notes, but I didn't find an easy way to synchronize with my audio wave (though I haven't used Rosegarden a lot, so perhaps I missed something). Ideally I would like to: + load in one program both the audio and the MIDI file + see the soundwave forms for both audio and MIDI plus the piano roll for the MIDI file + if something is not synchronized properly (due to the nature of the music, I can see it nicely by inspectint the soundwave), I would like to stretch/move the MIDI notes in the piano roll and interactively see how the soundwave changes, so that I can immediately see if the MIDI and the audio are better synchronized. Is there a tool where I can do that easily? Perhaps there is some other procedure/tool that can help me with this? Thanks for any suggestion, -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From allcoms at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 08:38:05 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:38:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audio Streaming Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <20130614055113.762FEBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20130614055113.762FEBE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: Another streaming option I've heard great stuff about: http://www.bubblesoftapps.com/bubbleupnpserver/ Which has an Android client On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've got all of my CD collection ripped into FLAC on my computer. > I'd like to be able to play my music from a remote computer, > primarily at work, and play my music on my Android phone. All > of these devices have a modern version of Firefox installed, and > a couple of them also have either the free or partly free Chrome > browser installed. The server would likely need to have some way > to convert from FLAC to a lossy format, e.g. OGG, lessen speed > requirements on the network. A quick web search found: > > CherryMusic - http://www.fomori.org/cherrymusic/ > streeme - http://code.google.com/p/streeme/ > Zeya - http://web.psung.name/zeya/ and > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/serve-your-music-zeya > > All of the above make use of HTML5. > > In evaluating what to install and use I'll be comparing to > Amarok, which I like a lot for its features, but it still has > some bugs that cause it to crash and require removal of all it's > config files before restarting. Luckily, that's much more rare > than it used to be. 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URL: From ich at nilsgey.de Fri Jun 14 13:49:15 2013 From: ich at nilsgey.de (Nils Gey) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:49:15 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130614154915.00a9493b@nilsgey.de> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:30:12 -0400 Brett McCoy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Angel de Vicente wrote: > > > > > With Rosegarden and the piano roll, I can easily stretch/move each of > > the MIDI notes, but I didn't find an easy way to synchronize with my > > audio wave (though I haven't used Rosegarden a lot, so perhaps I missed > > something). > > > > Ideally I would like to: > > > > + load in one program both the audio and the MIDI file > > + see the soundwave forms for both audio and MIDI plus the piano roll > > for the MIDI file > > + if something is not synchronized properly (due to the nature of the > > music, I can see it nicely by inspectint the soundwave), I would like > > to stretch/move the MIDI notes in the piano roll and interactively see > > how the soundwave changes, so that I can immediately see if the MIDI > > and the audio are better synchronized. > > > > Is there a tool where I can do that easily? Perhaps there is some other > > procedure/tool that can help me with this? I have no suggestion but a question: Given that an actual performance mostly differs on the tempo level, not on the relative note length level (a quarter is still a quarter, but just with a bit more time) wouldn't this be a search for a tool that lets you adjust the tempo track of the midi very easily? For example something that plays back your audio file and you happily tap along the quarters or so on a midi key or keyboard-key (what has less latency?) and the tool records your tapping as tempo track which can then be used to override the tempo instructions in the original file. A bit like a conductors tool. I have read of several tools that use this method in the past, but I am unsure if there was a linux one among them. Nils, conducting on the space-bar. From aesir.ml at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 14:05:18 2013 From: aesir.ml at gmail.com (Asa Marco) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:05:18 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> Il giorno Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:30:12 -0400 Brett McCoy ha scritto: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Angel de Vicente > wrote: > > > > > With Rosegarden and the piano roll, I can easily stretch/move each > > of the MIDI notes, but I didn't find an easy way to synchronize > > with my audio wave (though I haven't used Rosegarden a lot, so > > perhaps I missed something). > > > > Ideally I would like to: > > > > + load in one program both the audio and the MIDI file > > + see the soundwave forms for both audio and MIDI plus the piano > > roll for the MIDI file > > + if something is not synchronized properly (due to the nature of > > the music, I can see it nicely by inspectint the soundwave), I > > would like to stretch/move the MIDI notes in the piano roll and > > interactively see how the soundwave changes, so that I can > > immediately see if the MIDI and the audio are better synchronized. > > > > Is there a tool where I can do that easily? Perhaps there is some > > other procedure/tool that can help me with this? > > > > > Actually, I think Ardour3 would be ideal for this, as you can easily > work with MIDI piano roll and audio waveforms right on the same > screen (most sequencers open MIDI piano roll up into a separate > window). As you can see in this screenshot, you have everything right > in front of you and its easy to set synch points for both audio and > MIDI: > > http://brettwmccoy.com/images/ardour-3.2-screenshot.png Isn't there something that allows to set MIDI tempo by tapping on keyboard? I'm sure to have used that method once to pair recorded audio and MIDI, but maybe I was using a software on windows. -- Asa Marco From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Jun 14 15:26:55 2013 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:26:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51BB363F.8010300@rncbc.org> On 06/14/2013 02:30 PM, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Angel de Vicente > wrote: > > > With Rosegarden and the piano roll, I can easily stretch/move each of > the MIDI notes, but I didn't find an easy way to synchronize with my > audio wave (though I haven't used Rosegarden a lot, so perhaps I missed > something). > > Ideally I would like to: > > + load in one program both the audio and the MIDI file > + see the soundwave forms for both audio and MIDI plus the piano roll > for the MIDI file > + if something is not synchronized properly (due to the nature of the > music, I can see it nicely by inspectint the soundwave), I would like > to stretch/move the MIDI notes in the piano roll and > interactively see > how the soundwave changes, so that I can immediately see if the MIDI > and the audio are better synchronized. > > Is there a tool where I can do that easily? Perhaps there is some other > procedure/tool that can help me with this? > > > Actually, I think Ardour3 would be ideal for this, as you can easily > work with MIDI piano roll and audio waveforms right on the same screen > (most sequencers open MIDI piano roll up into a separate window). As you > can see in this screenshot, you have everything right in front of you > and its easy to set synch points for both audio and MIDI: > > http://brettwmccoy.com/images/ardour-3.2-screenshot.png > won't say that qtractor is ideal or whatever but given enough zoom level and some nice and neat window management (i'm happy with kwin:)) on both main track-view canvas and specific midi clip editor (aka. piano-roll) you can work it out just fine, i guess... it's what i've been doing for ages anyway, my own cat/dogfood, i know;) cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Jun 14 18:10:58 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:10:58 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> Message-ID: <1371233458.736.1.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 16:05 +0200, Asa Marco wrote: > > http://brettwmccoy.com/images/ardour-3.2-screenshot.png Is video timeline now by default included to Ardour 3? From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Jun 14 18:14:13 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:14:13 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <1371233458.736.1.camel@archlinux> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <1371233458.736.1.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1371233653.736.3.camel@archlinux> > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 16:05 +0200, Asa Marco wrote: Oops, On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 09:30 -0400, Brett McCoy wrote, not Asa Marco: > > > http://brettwmccoy.com/images/ardour-3.2-screenshot.png Still the same question;). Is video timeline now by default included to Ardour 3? From angelv at iac.es Fri Jun 14 18:28:43 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:28:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: (Brett McCoy's message of "Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:30:12 -0400") References: Message-ID: Brett McCoy writes: > Actually, I think Ardour3 would be ideal for this, as you can easily > work with MIDI piano roll and audio waveforms right on the same screen > (most sequencers open MIDI piano roll up into a separate window). As > you can see in this screenshot, you have everything right in front of > you and its easy to set synch points for both audio and MIDI: It looks really promising. I didn't know Ardour could do that. I'm going to try with my current Ardour (2.8). If the feature is not there I will upgrade and try again. Thanks a lot, -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From idragosani at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 18:31:16 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:31:16 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <1371233458.736.1.camel@archlinux> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <1371233458.736.1.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 16:05 +0200, Asa Marco wrote: > > > http://brettwmccoy.com/images/ardour-3.2-screenshot.png > > Is video timeline now by default included to Ardour 3? > Yes -- Brett W. 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URL: From angelv at iac.es Fri Jun 14 18:31:50 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:31:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <20130614154915.00a9493b@nilsgey.de> (Nils Gey's message of "Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:49:15 +0200") References: <20130614154915.00a9493b@nilsgey.de> Message-ID: Nils Gey writes: > I have no suggestion but a question: > > Given that an actual performance mostly differs on the tempo level, > not on the relative note length level (a quarter is still a quarter, > but just with a bit more time) wouldn't this be a search for a tool > that lets you adjust the tempo track of the midi very easily? > > For example something that plays back your audio file and you happily > tap along the quarters or so on a midi key or keyboard-key (what has > less latency?) and the tool records your tapping as tempo track which > can then be used to override the tempo instructions in the original > file. > > A bit like a conductors tool. I have read of several tools that use > this method in the past, but I am unsure if there was a linux one > among them. thanks, but this is a complicated piece, with many ritardandos, accelerandos, so it would be quite difficult to get it right by changing the tempo in the MIDI file, and in the end I guess I would have to change it so many times, that I think it is probably faster (and more accurate) to synchronize the notes one by one. -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From idragosani at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 18:32:46 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:32:46 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Angel de Vicente wrote: > Brett McCoy writes: > > Actually, I think Ardour3 would be ideal for this, as you can easily > > work with MIDI piano roll and audio waveforms right on the same screen > > (most sequencers open MIDI piano roll up into a separate window). As > > you can see in this screenshot, you have everything right in front of > > you and its easy to set synch points for both audio and MIDI: > > It looks really promising. I didn't know Ardour could do that. I'm going > to try with my current Ardour (2.8). If the feature is not there I will > upgrade and try again. > > You need Ardour3, Ardour2 doesn't support MIDI sequencing. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angelv at iac.es Fri Jun 14 22:05:37 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:05:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: (Brett McCoy's message of "Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:30:12 -0400") References: Message-ID: Brett McCoy writes: > Actually, I think Ardour3 would be ideal for this, as you can easily > work with MIDI piano roll and audio waveforms right on the same screen > (most sequencers open MIDI piano roll up into a separate window). As > you can see in this screenshot, you have everything right in front of > you and its easy to set synch points for both audio and MIDI: Ardour3 is indeed ideal for what I was looking for. The MIDI piano roll is great for perfect synchronization with the audio. Now I'm off to read the manual and if I can get to control the MIDI instrument from inside Ardour itself (ideally with different instruments for different bars) and to do something like "Draw region gain" but for the MIDI part (to get piano, fortes, etc.), then I will be a really happy chap... Thanks for the suggestion (and big thanks to the Ardour developers!!) -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From idragosani at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 22:14:59 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:14:59 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Angel de Vicente wrote: > Brett McCoy writes: > > Actually, I think Ardour3 would be ideal for this, as you can easily > > work with MIDI piano roll and audio waveforms right on the same screen > > (most sequencers open MIDI piano roll up into a separate window). As > > you can see in this screenshot, you have everything right in front of > > you and its easy to set synch points for both audio and MIDI: > > Ardour3 is indeed ideal for what I was looking for. The MIDI piano roll > is great for perfect synchronization with the audio. > > Now I'm off to read the manual and if I can get to control the MIDI > instrument from inside Ardour itself (ideally with different instruments > for different bars) and to do something like "Draw region gain" but for > the MIDI part (to get piano, fortes, etc.), then I will be a really > happy chap... > > Yes, for that you'll want5 to use CC#7 (volume) or CC#11 (expression), and, of course, velocity on the individual MIDI notes. -- Brett W. 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Cheers, -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sat Jun 15 02:54:59 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 04:54:59 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <1371233458.736.1.camel@archlinux> <1371233653.736.3.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1371264899.4746.1.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 14:31 -0400, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 16:05 +0200, Asa Marco wrote: > > Oops, On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 09:30 -0400, Brett McCoy wrote, > not Asa Marco: > > > > http://brettwmccoy.com/images/ardour-3.2-screenshot.png > Still the same question;). > Is video timeline now by default included to Ardour 3? > > > > And still same answer: Yes Just one thank you :). From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 15 06:07:56 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:07:56 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> Message-ID: <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/14/2013 04:05 AM, Asa Marco wrote: > Il giorno Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:30:12 -0400 > Brett McCoy ha scritto: > >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Angel de Vicente >> wrote: >> >>> >>> With Rosegarden and the piano roll, I can easily stretch/move each >>> of the MIDI notes, but I didn't find an easy way to synchronize >>> with my audio wave (though I haven't used Rosegarden a lot, so >>> perhaps I missed something). >>> >>> Ideally I would like to: >>> >>> + load in one program both the audio and the MIDI file >>> + see the soundwave forms for both audio and MIDI plus the piano >>> roll for the MIDI file >>> + if something is not synchronized properly (due to the nature of >>> the music, I can see it nicely by inspectint the soundwave), I >>> would like to stretch/move the MIDI notes in the piano roll and >>> interactively see how the soundwave changes, so that I can >>> immediately see if the MIDI and the audio are better synchronized. >>> >>> Is there a tool where I can do that easily? Perhaps there is some >>> other procedure/tool that can help me with this? >>> >>> >> Actually, I think Ardour3 would be ideal for this, as you can easily >> work with MIDI piano roll and audio waveforms right on the same >> screen (most sequencers open MIDI piano roll up into a separate >> window). As you can see in this screenshot, you have everything right >> in front of you and its easy to set synch points for both audio and >> MIDI: >> >> http://brettwmccoy.com/images/ardour-3.2-screenshot.png > > Isn't there something that allows to set MIDI tempo by tapping on keyboard? > I'm sure to have used that method once to pair recorded audio and MIDI, > but maybe I was using a software on windows. Rosegarden has that feature, but I think the recommendations for Ardour3 would be better ones to take. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From tyranorl at free.fr Sat Jun 15 07:23:44 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:23:44 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: <51B96149.8090303@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> <51B8CD78.9050306@hawaii.rr.com> <20130612195900.GC20198@sebkhachott.net> <51B96149.8090303@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130615072344.GA8831@sebkhachott.net> nted does (but has other limitations). On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:06:01PM -1000, david wrote : > What sequencers do good drum scores? I've never even dealt with a > drum score. > > On 06/12/2013 09:59 AM, Aurelien wrote: > >Rosegarden is fine for many uses, but clearly for drums, if you want to > >write "clean" scores, it is not the good option. > > > >On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:35:20AM -1000, david wrote : > >>Hmm, I'm happy with Rosegarden. It does scores better than most > >>sequencers. I don't use the drum parts of it, though, so can't > >>comment on how well that works or doesn't work. > >> > >>On 06/12/2013 09:26 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > >>>laborejo is a product of Nils Gey. > >>> > >>> > >>>On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Aurelien wrote: > >>> > >>> Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once > >>> again comes from your side, male!!! > >>> > >>> Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi > >>> implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : > >>> > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: > >>> > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the > >>> transport sync > >>> > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, > >>> and exprots > >>> > > to lilypond. > >>> > > >>> > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the > >>> latest release. > >>> > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 > > > -- > David > gnome at hawaii.rr.com > authenticity, honesty, community > http://dancingtreefrog.com > http://clanjones.org/david/ > http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Aur?lien From tyranorl at free.fr Sat Jun 15 07:25:37 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:25:37 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130612081758.GA4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130615072537.GB8831@sebkhachott.net> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 02:57:05PM +0200, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote : > 2013/6/12 Aurelien : > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 02:32:34PM +0200, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote : > >> 2013/5/21 Aurelien : > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > Well, this is a bit off-topic, but I know there are a lot of Frank Zappa > >> > fans in there, and actually, this project will, once more, used free > >> > software onstage (especially a videoprojection software to simulate the > >> > decorum). > >> > > >> > So, here it is, Sebhka-Chott will perform Frank Zappa's Thing Fish in > >> > commemoration of his death, 20 years ago. > >> > > >> > Thing Fish is kinda Broadway Musical Comedy, but as Zappa wrote it, it's > >> > absurd, freaks, and funny. Zappa never could perform it on stage, and, > >> > from what we know, it only has been performed once, in London in 2003. > >> > > >> > We will perform it at the Zappanale festival, in Germany, on 2nd of > >> > August, and moreover, we will perform it in an extended version of > >> > Sebkha-Chott, implying 13 people, including > >> > > >> > *IKE WILLIS* > >> > > >> > the original Thing Fish, the singer of the album, and actually, the > >> > companion of Zappa during his last 20 years. > >> > > >> > Today is the day we launch a crowdfunding action, because it's a big > >> > project, and we need help to make it possible for us to work on this not > >> > only as volunteers! > >> > > >> > A dedicated page is available here: > >> > http://ammd.net/-Sebkha-Chott-Galoot-Formula- > >> > > >> > with some explanations about the project, and with a *TEASER* performed, > >> > mixed and rendered with free softwares only (you should recognize > >> > several Sebkha-Chott's typical). > >> > > >> > To end up, I must admit, this time, and this time only, we're not > >> > speaking about free art, cause Zappa Family Trust does not really manage > >> > Zappa's thunes this way.... > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks a lot for reading. > >> > > >> > Aur?lien > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Aur?lien > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Linux-audio-user mailing list > >> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > >> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > >> > >> It seems a really interesting project, and using OSS... and Zappa-ish. > >> Do you have any place with info about programs, workflow, process, > >> details? > > > > Sorry, I was on tour, and coudln't get back there. > > So, there is a github concerning video-decorum, which is using VSL: > > https://github.com/AMMD/ThingFishVideoDecorum > > > > Then, we'll be using the very same setup as Sebkha-Chott for audio > > production, and will use QLC for Lightning control, as well as > > kvGhislame for main control: > > https://github.com/AMMD/kvGhislame > > > > Unfortunately, we don't have time to present much by now. Hope I will > > have more time soon. > > > > > >> > >> Good luck and keep us informed. > >> > >> -- > >> Carlos sanchiavedraz > >> * Musix GNU+Linux > >> http://www.musix.es > > > > -- > > Aur?lien > > I would love to see some video to get a better idea of what those > programs do and how. > Thanks for sharing. There should be several videos of what is rendered through the puredata patches. But it will be far from explaning the whole thing. The show will be recorded, but as it's Zappa, we won't diffuse it widely. > > -- > Carlos sanchiavedraz > * Musix GNU+Linux > http://www.musix.es -- Aur?lien From tyranorl at free.fr Sat Jun 15 07:30:24 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:30:24 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612090655.GC4367@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130615073024.GC8831@sebkhachott.net> Hi! On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 02:58:35PM +0200, Felix Homann wrote : > Hi Wladimir Ohrelianov II, > > that works without any accents ;-) Oh, well, I'm being unmasked, then... Holy s***. > > > 2013/6/12 Aurelien > > > > > > > > > You're part of that project? > > > > Yep, i'll be bass player, and Brown Moses. And actually, I'm writing the > > code stuff and pd patches used for videoprojection. > > > > > Great! Please, tell me that your using an FTU on stage. That would make me > feel like being a tiny part of that show :-) Sorry about it, but I really can't find what an FTU is (though I have the impression to have read this already). > > (OTOH, I hope you dismissed the FTU for something better..) Thus, I don't understand this either!! ;) > > I'll try my best to come there but will probably be on stage myself > somewhere else. Oh, well. Let me know if you're there. We should surely at one moment be at Freakshow Tent with Charly (the guy you got to know if you're living in Germany and loving this kind of music). > > Ike Willis... Have I said "Wow"? Don't know, but if not, I did for you several couples of times!!! > > Regards, > Felix -- Aur?lien From linuxaudio at showlabor.de Sat Jun 15 08:21:49 2013 From: linuxaudio at showlabor.de (Felix Homann) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:21:49 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: <20130615073024.GC8831@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612090655.GC4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130615073024.GC8831@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: Hi Aur?lien, Am 15.06.2013 09:30 schrieb "Aurelien" : > > Sorry about it, but I really can't find what an FTU is (though I have > the impression to have read this already). Sorry, I got you confused with Aur?lien Leblond. He helped a lot a couple of years ago when a couple of laymen like myself were trying to get the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra (FTU) family of audio interfaces working on Linux. When we were stuck he kindly send a FTU to Daniel Mack who in contrast to me actually knows what he's doing when he's working on Alsa ;-) This started support for USB devices using implicit feedback BTW. Support for the FTUs is pretty complete now but they have always surprised us with unexpected behaviour again and again. So they helped to make the USB audio driver better and more robust several times. And they have been a real pain in the a... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aesir.ml at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 08:50:32 2013 From: aesir.ml at gmail.com (Asa Marco) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:50:32 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> Il giorno Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:07:56 -1000 david ha scritto: > > > > Isn't there something that allows to set MIDI tempo by tapping on > > keyboard? I'm sure to have used that method once to pair recorded > > audio and MIDI, but maybe I was using a software on windows. > > Rosegarden has that feature, but I think the recommendations for > Ardour3 would be better ones to take. > Thank you David, I didn't know of that. But since Rosegarden set tempo only one point at the time, I recognize that is umpractical to set precisely "accelerando" or "ritardando" in this way. The approach of, for example, Finale is better for this purpose, i.e. to change time continuosly while tapping. http://www.finalemusic.com/usermanuals/finale2012win/content/finale/TempoTap.htm Unfortunately I don't know of a sequencer on Linux that does this. From wrl at illest.net Sat Jun 15 13:33:35 2013 From: wrl at illest.net (William Light) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:33:35 +0200 Subject: [LAU] New song: `indigo` In-Reply-To: References: <20130612190101.GA20472@dudestache.don.gs> Message-ID: <20130615133335.GA11775@dudestache.don.gs> Julien! Always lovely to hear feedback from you. on Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:31:36PM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hellowilliam! > It's been some time again, which is a pitty. but I'm awaiting your > full album. If this is anything to go by, then I might enjoy a full > length EP as well. Probably not on the daily list, but certainly in > the list, amongst all that progressive rock. :-) > Honestly: nice song, simplistic in its arrangement,in a way very > straight forward, but I like those indecided harmonies. Not exactly > minor, not exactly major. In combination with the current time, I'm > waiting for Ulrich Land to announce the thursday night crime and > thrillers on our public radio. He always played such tracks. > Slightly dark, a little oneiric and out of this world. I hope the > album contains even more breakbeats. > The sounds as ever were good. Not as charismatic and singular as > with "Something wrong with your feet", but that of course was a > completely different workflow and original mindset. Still, I like > it, that you never succomb to the contemporary equivalents of "salat > hitting the field" bass drums and other sins of the time. Even the > Lost in London remix, that we so criticised for its drums had bite. > And you stick to it with this little tune. I do what I can! I'm curious, though: do you have any examples of said "salat hitting the field" bass drum sound? > Is there a processed voice sample in it in the left channel? this > is something, that attracted my ear and wouldn't let go. :-) There is absolutely some chopped and processed vocal work, "ghosted" by a synthesizer playing the same melody to give it more body. I really like repurposing recordings like this. I do it with field recordings all the time (which flesh out the backgrounds of many of my tracks, `indigo` included, with little bits of white noise and crackling), and there's quite a history of this in hip-hop production, particularly sampling vinyl records and `flipping` them into a different beat. > OK, now I may actually have to listen to one of those thriller > radioplays to satisfy my Pablow reflex. :-) > Keep on the good work, as lofi as this and breakbeat as this or as > hifi and four-to-the-floor as the "all I need" remix. Uphold the > appearance of good bassdrums in all kinds of electronic styles! > Warm regards and thanks for sharing Absolutely. I'll keep everyone on the list informed :) -w > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From blablack at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 13:56:13 2013 From: blablack at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_Leblond?=) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:56:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (Modular) Synth and Clipping Message-ID: Hi all, In a tentative of giving more personality to the modular synth modules of the avw.lv2 set, I have been looking at clipping. I would like here to discuss here a few assumptions, the fruit of my research and get a few feedback/comments to decide what direction to take. - in some cases (or let say modules of a synth), clipping is implemented more to copie what an analogue system would do than a mandatory part of the algorithm... Let's take an example: 2 sin waves mixed together of amplitude -1/1 will just have an amplitude of -2/2 (as long as they are in phase)... A digital mixer without clipping would be able to cope with that, but an analogue one wouldn't... and that's why the analogue system would clip the signal......right? - What method of clipping is used will give a "personality" to the module: hard clipping, soft clipping, the method used for soft clipping, etc...right? - Hard clipping is something of the digital world - it doesn't exist in the analogue world... right? - Soft clipping will deform any waves of amplitude -1/1 even if it doesn't exceed the accepted threshold, because just before reaching the threshold the algorithm will take over and softly make the signal reach the maximum amplitude and keep it there until the original signal goes back under a set threshold.....right? - Is there a preferred stage for clipping? In the case of a filter, should we clip before filtering, after or both? Or are all these options valid and that's what will give an additional personality to the filter? Thanks in advance for any comments! Aur?lien From len at ovenwerks.net Sat Jun 15 14:50:50 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:50:50 -0700 Subject: [LAU] (Modular) Synth and Clipping Message-ID: On Sat, June 15, 2013 6:56 am, Aur?lien Leblond wrote: > Hi all, > > In a tentative of giving more personality to the modular synth modules > of the avw.lv2 set, I have been looking at clipping. > I would like here to discuss here a few assumptions, the fruit of my > research and get a few feedback/comments to decide what direction to > take. > > - in some cases (or let say modules of a synth), clipping is > implemented more to copie what an analogue system would do than a > mandatory part of the algorithm... Let's take an example: 2 sin waves > mixed together of amplitude -1/1 will just have an amplitude of -2/2 > (as long as they are in phase)... A digital mixer without clipping > would be able to cope with that, but an analogue one wouldn't... and > that's why the analogue system would clip the signal......right? > - What method of clipping is used will give a "personality" to the > module: hard clipping, soft clipping, the method used for soft > clipping, etc...right? > - Hard clipping is something of the digital world - it doesn't exist > in the analogue world... right? Ya, but before you hear it, it enters the analogue world and frequency response is limited. All of the hard sharp corners get modified. This happens even digitally before the DAC as far as I know. Even analogue there are many kinds of clipping, and to add to the mess there is limiting as well... another kind of distortion that sounds less distortion like :) One of the first distortion units I made was just two diodes shorting off the peaks. It sounded very different from even a transistor amp pushed too hard. Tube amps are different again. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From nimbiotics at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 16:32:29 2013 From: nimbiotics at gmail.com (Mario R. Osorio) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:32:29 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Noob needs help using jack Message-ID: First of all, I'm a complete noob and might need help in more than one way. I am helping someone who is conducting a research. For this, she will be making dozens of phone interviews, for which I'm using google voice. Shee needs to play sounds to the guests/interviewed persons (using vlc or audacious) and I need to record everything that is going on; the conversation and the playback. Some of the recordings will also be used for a video and broadcasted in a radio show. I used to have have ubuntu 10.04 with stereo mix setup so I could do this easily and used to record using audacity (that is why she came to me). But I tried to do the same in linux mint and all I did was mess up my audio in such ways that just did not make sense anymore. In rage I decided to kill mint and use ubuntu studio but I'm having basically the same issues and JACK aint no piece of cake. I beg you guys, please give me a hand on this as I'm breaking whatever little is left of my already insufficient brain. We might also need to, while recording, play sounds from youtube. I understand JACK is way more advanced than pulse, but I don't mid the latter as I've already used it it before with acceptable results. So help is accepted in any of the two solutions pulse or jack. There are plenty of tutorials about pulse but none has worked for me so far, and saying jack's documentation is scarce is minimizing the issue. Thanks In Advanced!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From len at ovenwerks.net Sat Jun 15 18:27:59 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:27:59 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Noob needs help using jack Message-ID: <2786ffc800693dc201a5aa77c3ec4e3a.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Sat, June 15, 2013 9:32 am, Mario R. Osorio wrote: > First of all, I'm a complete noob and might need help in more than one > way. > > I am helping someone who is conducting a research. > > For this, she will be making dozens of phone interviews, for which I'm > using google voice. Be aware that the google voice (assuming the same technology as the gmail phone app) has higher latency than some of the others (including skype). > She needs to play sounds to the guests/interviewed persons (using vlc or > audacious) and I need to record everything that is going on; the > conversation and the playback. I think a mix of idjc, jackdbus and pulse (with the jack-pulse bridge module installed) should work. Please note that because of the multiple codecs running at the same time, you need a modern machine. I have managed to get this to work using my ten year old P4, but it was just barely and I had to play with the latency of jack to balance performance with working at all. idjc has it's own audio file player built in and I would use that instead of vlc or audacious as they do (at least audacious does) strange things when set to jack as an output :) I am not sure which version of ubuntustudio you have. There have been issues with the pa-jack bridging in the past and there are some features available now which were not a few versions ago. One of the important ones is that pa used to bridge as many lines as the audio interface would handle... 10 ins and outs in my case which used much more CPU than just the two lines I needed :) basic workflow: browser with google voice, talks to pulse. Pulse is bridged to jack, two lines each way, and set to not auto connect (auto connect is to audio playback/capture) idjc has a port called phone in out (connect to pulse) as well as local mics from the sound card. They would all be connected using the connections pannel in qjackctl for example. Once you have it figured out save it as a session. Set idjc not to stream, but to record. The order of running things is important: -pulse runs at login. -start jackdbus with qjackctl and confirm that the pulse ports show up. (in qjackctl connections) -in pavucontrol, set the default output to jacksink and the default capture (input) to jack source. (green check box) -start idjc. -Connect the pulse ports to the idjc phone ports. -Connect mics as needed (idjc allows you set up however many mic or stereo inputs as you need) (this would be the place to create a session. in qjackctl the patchbay would be the place for this) -make your google voice connection and verify all the sound goes both ways. (If the person on the other end of the line can't hear the audio playback from the file player you may have to connect the line back to pulse to the program output instead of the phone port.) -Set up record and go. All audio playback should be headphones :) I would have two computers in the same room and try it all out. The second computer would be the remote and so should be able to have any OS on it that can handle google voice. > We might also need to, while recording, play sounds from youtube. Any youtube audio would get mixed in with the audio coming from your remote google voice conversation. Pavucontrol will allow you to control the levels of the two signals for balance. Using just pulse is possible, but less controllable. For that, you just need to get familiar with pavucontrol. It's use for these kinds of things is not obvious :) The thing to remember is that with PA a connection only exists when it is being used. That is Audacity will only have an input to connect to when the record button is active... so pause ->record->make connections->set levels->release pause to record. Applications made for jack (not audacity which has jack as an addon) open a jackport at application start and it stays open as long as the application is running. Just like in the analogue world where a tape machine always has an input plug and the cable that connects to it doesn't move just because you hit the stop button. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From nimbiotics at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 19:22:03 2013 From: nimbiotics at gmail.com (Mario R. Osorio) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:22:03 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Noob needs help using jack In-Reply-To: <2786ffc800693dc201a5aa77c3ec4e3a.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <2786ffc800693dc201a5aa77c3ec4e3a.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: Len, Thanks a BUNCH for your detailed explanation I finally could accomplish what I wanted with pulse audio. The only thing I needed to do was to load the loopback module and voila! I found the answer on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeINGM68A8 I went thru at least a dozen tutorials on how to get "stereo mix" in linux/linux ubuntu, none of them mentioned the need for this step. I'm also 100% positive I did not have to do so when I acquired "stereo mix" in my ubuntu 10.04 box. Anyways, it worked. Its not perfect, but we can live with that. I will, nevertheless, follow your explanation because I guess I will get better quality. Not today though; I've had enough. my brain is burned. I dont mind trying, but trying without knowing is like trying to walk in a dark room; you just stumble again and again. I will start jack again tomorrow. Today I need some scotch, rick wakeman & urban terror. One more time MUCHAS GRACIAS LEN! Dtb/Gby ======= Mario R. Osorio "... Begin with the end in mind ..." http://www.google.com/profiles/nimbiotics On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > On Sat, June 15, 2013 9:32 am, Mario R. Osorio wrote: > > First of all, I'm a complete noob and might need help in more than one > > way. > > > > I am helping someone who is conducting a research. > > > > For this, she will be making dozens of phone interviews, for which I'm > > using google voice. > > Be aware that the google voice (assuming the same technology as the gmail > phone app) has higher latency than some of the others (including skype). > > > She needs to play sounds to the guests/interviewed persons (using vlc or > > audacious) and I need to record everything that is going on; the > > conversation and the playback. > > I think a mix of idjc, jackdbus and pulse (with the jack-pulse bridge > module installed) should work. Please note that because of the multiple > codecs running at the same time, you need a modern machine. I have managed > to get this to work using my ten year old P4, but it was just barely and I > had to play with the latency of jack to balance performance with working > at all. idjc has it's own audio file player built in and I would use that > instead of vlc or audacious as they do (at least audacious does) strange > things when set to jack as an output :) > > I am not sure which version of ubuntustudio you have. There have been > issues with the pa-jack bridging in the past and there are some features > available now which were not a few versions ago. One of the important ones > is that pa used to bridge as many lines as the audio interface would > handle... 10 ins and outs in my case which used much more CPU than just > the two lines I needed :) > > basic workflow: > > browser with google voice, talks to pulse. Pulse is bridged to jack, two > lines each way, and set to not auto connect (auto connect is to audio > playback/capture) > > idjc has a port called phone in out (connect to pulse) as well as local > mics from the sound card. They would all be connected using the > connections pannel in qjackctl for example. Once you have it figured out > save it as a session. Set idjc not to stream, but to record. > > The order of running things is important: > -pulse runs at login. > -start jackdbus with qjackctl and confirm that the pulse ports show up. > (in qjackctl connections) > -in pavucontrol, set the default output to jacksink and the default > capture (input) to jack source. (green check box) > -start idjc. > -Connect the pulse ports to the idjc phone ports. > -Connect mics as needed (idjc allows you set up however many mic or stereo > inputs as you need) > (this would be the place to create a session. in qjackctl the > patchbay would be the place for this) > -make your google voice connection and verify all the sound goes both > ways. (If the person on the other end of the line can't hear the audio > playback from the file player you may have to connect the line back to > pulse to the program output instead of the phone port.) > -Set up record and go. > > All audio playback should be headphones :) > > I would have two computers in the same room and try it all out. The second > computer would be the remote and so should be able to have any OS on it > that can handle google voice. > > > We might also need to, while recording, play sounds from youtube. > > Any youtube audio would get mixed in with the audio coming from your > remote google voice conversation. Pavucontrol will allow you to control > the levels of the two signals for balance. > > Using just pulse is possible, but less controllable. For that, you just > need to get familiar with pavucontrol. It's use for these kinds of things > is not obvious :) The thing to remember is that with PA a connection only > exists when it is being used. That is Audacity will only have an input to > connect to when the record button is active... so pause ->record->make > connections->set levels->release pause to record. Applications made for > jack (not audacity which has jack as an addon) open a jackport at > application start and it stays open as long as the application is running. > Just like in the analogue world where a tape machine always has an input > plug and the cable that connects to it doesn't move just because you hit > the stop button. > > -- > Len Ovens > www.OvenWerks.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 15 21:41:07 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:41:07 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> Message-ID: <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/14/2013 10:50 PM, Asa Marco wrote: > Il giorno Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:07:56 -1000 > david ha scritto: >>> >>> Isn't there something that allows to set MIDI tempo by tapping on >>> keyboard? I'm sure to have used that method once to pair recorded >>> audio and MIDI, but maybe I was using a software on windows. >> >> Rosegarden has that feature, but I think the recommendations for >> Ardour3 would be better ones to take. > > Thank you David, I didn't know of that. But since Rosegarden set tempo > only one point at the time, I recognize that is umpractical to set > precisely "accelerando" or "ritardando" in this way. > > The approach of, for example, Finale is better for this purpose, i.e. to > change time continuosly while tapping. > > http://www.finalemusic.com/usermanuals/finale2012win/content/finale/TempoTap.htm I think that's what Rosegarden does, too. At least it mentions using tapping to vary the tempo to match tempo changes within a 1-meaure long audio loop. Sounds like doing accelerando and ritardando: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/segment-view-tempo-timesig.html > Unfortunately I don't know of a sequencer on Linux that does this. I haven't graduated to the point of using audio tracks in any sequencer, so reading the thread been interesting! -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 15 21:43:10 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:43:10 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Thinking about my new composition studio : a notation editor (ly-compatible?) which might use jack or ALSA midi correctly? In-Reply-To: <20130615072344.GA8831@sebkhachott.net> References: <20130612104846.GE4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612185957.GA20198@sebkhachott.net> <51B8CD78.9050306@hawaii.rr.com> <20130612195900.GC20198@sebkhachott.net> <51B96149.8090303@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615072344.GA8831@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <51BCDFEE.3030504@hawaii.rr.com> What about the newest Denemo, 1.0.2? On 06/14/2013 09:23 PM, Aurelien wrote: > nted does (but has other limitations). > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:06:01PM -1000, david wrote : >> What sequencers do good drum scores? I've never even dealt with a >> drum score. >> >> On 06/12/2013 09:59 AM, Aurelien wrote: >>> Rosegarden is fine for many uses, but clearly for drums, if you want to >>> write "clean" scores, it is not the good option. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:35:20AM -1000, david wrote : >>>> Hmm, I'm happy with Rosegarden. It does scores better than most >>>> sequencers. I don't use the drum parts of it, though, so can't >>>> comment on how well that works or doesn't work. >>>> >>>> On 06/12/2013 09:26 AM, Paul Davis wrote: >>>>> laborejo is a product of Nils Gey. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Aurelien wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh, well, I'm going to check that, this might be fantastic, and once >>>>> again comes from your side, male!!! >>>>> >>>>> Musescore is really good, actually, but no jack transport, and the midi >>>>> implementation is a bit short, I find (or didn't find how to set it up). >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:47:06PM +0200, David Adler wrote : >>>>> > On 6/12/13, J. Liles wrote: >>>>> > > Have you checked out Laborejo yet? I'm not sure about the >>>>> transport sync >>>>> > > capability, but it does play back over JACK MIDI, supports NSM, >>>>> and exprots >>>>> > > to lilypond. >>>>> > >>>>> > Basic start/stop Jack-Transport support has been added in the >>>>> latest release. >>>>> > http://laborejo.org/News/6_Laborejo_Release_version_08 -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From julien at mail.upb.de Sat Jun 15 23:15:20 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 01:15:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] New song: `indigo` In-Reply-To: <20130615133335.GA11775@dudestache.don.gs> References: <20130612190101.GA20472@dudestache.don.gs> <20130615133335.GA11775@dudestache.don.gs> Message-ID: Hello William! I couldn't find a very recent example, that might be due to me not following the very recent electronic music. but examples I could find included Britney Spears' Radar and Perfect lover. Although that might have been a little more due to the over all arrangement. I certainly remember one song very clearly, but can't find it. Someone called Dragostino did a couple of those pieces in the early 2000s. Well electronic music has returned and they now know about the secrets of 90s dance music again and they have discovered the art of dubstep now, which is almost synonymous for the evil arse kicking bass and bass drums. Still I always connect your music to the early 2000s, when the salat-in-the-field basdrum was in fashion and annoying the hell out of me. :-) Now you might get better drums all round, but you might get worse arrangements. Very bare instrumentation. Or you get German hiphop, which finds it way bacdk to the 80s, which in this case is even worse. Something like Sido "Engel links, Teufel rechts". the sounds themselves might not be too bad, but the arrangement is sparse, to sparse. So go on with your field recordings, the lively rhythms and the other details. Fill your songs with the filigrane embellishments. Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From aesir.ml at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 09:02:02 2013 From: aesir.ml at gmail.com (Asa Marco) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:02:02 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> Il giorno Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:41:07 -1000 david ha scritto: > On 06/14/2013 10:50 PM, Asa Marco wrote: > > Il giorno Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:07:56 -1000 > > david ha scritto: > >>> > >>> Isn't there something that allows to set MIDI tempo by tapping on > >>> keyboard? I'm sure to have used that method once to pair recorded > >>> audio and MIDI, but maybe I was using a software on windows. > >> > >> Rosegarden has that feature, but I think the recommendations for > >> Ardour3 would be better ones to take. > > > > Thank you David, I didn't know of that. But since Rosegarden set > > tempo only one point at the time, I recognize that is umpractical > > to set precisely "accelerando" or "ritardando" in this way. > > > > The approach of, for example, Finale is better for this purpose, > > i.e. to change time continuosly while tapping. > > > > http://www.finalemusic.com/usermanuals/finale2012win/content/finale/TempoTap.htm > > I think that's what Rosegarden does, too. At least it mentions using > tapping to vary the tempo to match tempo changes within a 1-meaure > long audio loop. Sounds like doing accelerando and ritardando: > > http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/segment-view-tempo-timesig.html > You're right, Composition->Set Tempos from Beat Segment does exactly what I intended, this function isn't mentioned in the wiki manual and I missed it. Thank you for pointing me to the official documentation! I think this method is faster than edit manually each MIDI note. -- Asa Marco From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Sun Jun 16 15:58:02 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:58:02 +1200 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> Message-ID: <20130616155802.GB8012@tal> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:02:02AM +0200, Asa Marco wrote: > You're right, Composition->Set Tempos from Beat Segment does exactly > what I intended, this function isn't mentioned in the wiki manual and I Well it is a wiki. You could update it? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From espiritocz at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 03:08:44 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:08:44 +0800 Subject: [LAU] USB Pedal Switch Message-ID: Hi, I also got a footswitch to use in looper, cheap one, by PCsensor. This utility helped me in linux to set another key biding, I ask you to put it into your "footswitch" page in your wiki. Thank you. Link: https://github.com/rgerganov/footswitch Regards! Milan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Mon Jun 17 07:07:14 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:07:14 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> Message-ID: <51BEB5A2.9020409@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/15/2013 11:02 PM, Asa Marco wrote: > Il giorno Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:41:07 -1000 > david ha scritto: > >> On 06/14/2013 10:50 PM, Asa Marco wrote: >>> Il giorno Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:07:56 -1000 >>> david ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>> Isn't there something that allows to set MIDI tempo by tapping on >>>>> keyboard? I'm sure to have used that method once to pair recorded >>>>> audio and MIDI, but maybe I was using a software on windows. >>>> >>>> Rosegarden has that feature, but I think the recommendations for >>>> Ardour3 would be better ones to take. >>> >>> Thank you David, I didn't know of that. But since Rosegarden set >>> tempo only one point at the time, I recognize that is umpractical >>> to set precisely "accelerando" or "ritardando" in this way. >>> >>> The approach of, for example, Finale is better for this purpose, >>> i.e. to change time continuosly while tapping. >>> >>> http://www.finalemusic.com/usermanuals/finale2012win/content/finale/TempoTap.htm >> >> I think that's what Rosegarden does, too. At least it mentions using >> tapping to vary the tempo to match tempo changes within a 1-meaure >> long audio loop. Sounds like doing accelerando and ritardando: >> >> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/segment-view-tempo-timesig.html > > You're right, Composition->Set Tempos from Beat Segment does exactly > what I intended, this function isn't mentioned in the wiki manual and I > missed it. Thank you for pointing me to the official documentation! You're welcome! > I think this method is faster than edit manually each MIDI note. To me not just faster, but much more intuitive to me. Putting in numbers to change tempo et al for these situations just doesn't seem natural to me. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 10:03:01 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:03:01 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Xth sense on archlinux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Marco and others, I figured out how to manage Xth sense on my 64bit arch system: 0> I need to compile line3 (thanx marco) from http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-extended/0.42/externals/nusmuk/line3/ and replace one from Xth-sense-lib 1> Xth-sense, Xth-sense-lib and soundhack are in ~/pd-externals 2> In abstraction [pd dependencies] I have to add: [import mapping hcs] [import ggee] [import zexy] [import list-abs] [import Gem] [import purepd] [declare -path /home/ME/pd-esternals/soundhack] now the console is without shouting... i am gonna to make some sonsors. cheers fero 2013/5/13 Marco Donnarumma > Hey Fero, > > thanks for testing, and good to know it works! (as it is supposed to :) ) > > as for [import], that's likely to be something wrong with your > configuration, which would be the reason why it doesn't work with other > libraries too. > Usually you want to add your externals pd libraries to ~/pd-externals. > Anything in there will be loaded automagically by [import]. Anything that > is not there won't be loaded and Pd will complain. > > See also my step-by-step tutorial at: > http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download > > iir and stepper are not part of the Xth Sense package by the way. > > hope that helps! > best, > > > -- > Marco Donnarumma > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. > Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. > Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > > > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: > >> Thank you Marco. >> >> the newest version, is wihout tcl error ! great ! >> >> line3 compiled succesfully - thanks for link. >> >> >> but there is something weird. it has problems with loading external libs >> using [import] (it was also inthe older version, so it is not new bug...) >> >> in the console appears: >> >> ... >> >> iir 500 >> >> ... couldn't create >> >> stepper >> >> ... couldn't create >> >> >> and so on on many objects from various libs . >> >> but I see that you used [import] >> >> now I am will be out of pd for a long time, but your project is very >> interesting - thank you for that. >> >> fero >> >> >> >> > -- Fero Kiraly www.ferokiraly.com www.cluster-ensemble.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And anybody experiences with running Linux from NAND > instead of Micro SD? http://linux.autostatic.com/installing-linux-on-a-rk3066-based-device Regards, Jeremy From tyranorl at free.fr Tue Jun 18 05:51:47 2013 From: tyranorl at free.fr (Aurelien) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:51:47 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [a bit OT] Sebkha-Chott performs Frank Zappa's Thing Fish feat Ike Willis: crowdfunding call In-Reply-To: References: <20130521135350.GA13100@sebkhachott.net> <20130523130040.168f791e4e5012515189d877@brainiac.com> <20130612082322.GB4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130612090655.GC4367@sebkhachott.net> <20130615073024.GC8831@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20130618055146.GA7845@sebkhachott.net> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:21:49AM +0200, Felix Homann wrote : > Hi Aur?lien, > > Am 15.06.2013 09:30 schrieb "Aurelien" : > > > > Sorry about it, but I really can't find what an FTU is (though I have > > the impression to have read this already). > > Sorry, I got you confused with Aur?lien Leblond. He helped a lot a couple > of years ago when a couple of laymen like myself were trying to get the > M-Audio Fast Track Ultra (FTU) family of audio interfaces working on Linux. > When we were stuck he kindly send a FTU to Daniel Mack who in contrast to > me actually knows what he's doing when he's working on Alsa ;-) > This started support for USB devices using implicit feedback BTW. Support > for the FTUs is pretty complete now but they have always surprised us with > unexpected behaviour again and again. So they helped to make the USB audio > driver better and more robust several times. And they have been a real pain > in the a... Hmmm. I've been using FTU once, for a teaching session about using GNU/Linux softwares for shows. The second day, they just turned crazy when we came to use phantom power. Just type Fast Track Ultra led blinking in google, and you'll see what I mean. I promessed myself never to use it again!!! -- Aur?lien From devel at thesaddj.com Tue Jun 18 08:35:36 2013 From: devel at thesaddj.com (Marco Donnarumma) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:35:36 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Xth sense on archlinux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Fero, glad you managed! Do you mind if I copy/paste these stepsin our Xth Sense forum? thanks, best, M -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: > Hi Marco and others, > > I figured out how to manage Xth sense on my 64bit arch system: > > 0> I need to compile line3 (thanx marco) from > http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-extended/0.42/externals/nusmuk/line3/ > and replace one from Xth-sense-lib > > 1> Xth-sense, Xth-sense-lib and soundhack are in ~/pd-externals > > 2> In abstraction [pd dependencies] I have to add: > [import mapping hcs] > [import ggee] > [import zexy] > [import list-abs] > [import Gem] > [import purepd] > [declare -path /home/ME/pd-esternals/soundhack] > > now the console is without shouting... i am gonna to make some sonsors. > > cheers > fero > > > 2013/5/13 Marco Donnarumma > >> Hey Fero, >> >> thanks for testing, and good to know it works! (as it is supposed to :) ) >> >> as for [import], that's likely to be something wrong with your >> configuration, which would be the reason why it doesn't work with other >> libraries too. >> Usually you want to add your externals pd libraries to ~/pd-externals. >> Anything in there will be loaded automagically by [import]. Anything that >> is not there won't be loaded and Pd will complain. >> >> See also my step-by-step tutorial at: >> http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download >> >> iir and stepper are not part of the Xth Sense package by the way. >> >> hope that helps! >> best, >> >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: >> >>> Thank you Marco. >>> >>> the newest version, is wihout tcl error ! great ! >>> >>> line3 compiled succesfully - thanks for link. >>> >>> >>> but there is something weird. it has problems with loading external libs >>> using [import] (it was also inthe older version, so it is not new bug...) >>> >>> in the console appears: >>> >>> ... >>> >>> iir 500 >>> >>> ... couldn't create >>> >>> stepper >>> >>> ... couldn't create >>> >>> >>> and so on on many objects from various libs . >>> >>> but I see that you used [import] >>> >>> now I am will be out of pd for a long time, but your project is very >>> interesting - thank you for that. >>> >>> fero >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Fero Kiraly > www.ferokiraly.com > www.cluster-ensemble.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you mind if I copy/paste these stepsin our Xth Sense > forum? > > thanks, > best, > M > > -- > Marco Donnarumma > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. > Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. > Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: > >> Hi Marco and others, >> >> I figured out how to manage Xth sense on my 64bit arch system: >> >> 0> I need to compile line3 (thanx marco) from >> http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-extended/0.42/externals/nusmuk/line3/ >> and replace one from Xth-sense-lib >> >> 1> Xth-sense, Xth-sense-lib and soundhack are in ~/pd-externals >> >> 2> In abstraction [pd dependencies] I have to add: >> [import mapping hcs] >> [import ggee] >> [import zexy] >> [import list-abs] >> [import Gem] >> [import purepd] >> [declare -path /home/ME/pd-esternals/soundhack] >> >> now the console is without shouting... i am gonna to make some sonsors. >> >> cheers >> fero >> >> >> 2013/5/13 Marco Donnarumma >> >>> Hey Fero, >>> >>> thanks for testing, and good to know it works! (as it is supposed to :) ) >>> >>> as for [import], that's likely to be something wrong with your >>> configuration, which would be the reason why it doesn't work with other >>> libraries too. >>> Usually you want to add your externals pd libraries to ~/pd-externals. >>> Anything in there will be loaded automagically by [import]. Anything that >>> is not there won't be loaded and Pd will complain. >>> >>> See also my step-by-step tutorial at: >>> http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download >>> >>> iir and stepper are not part of the Xth Sense package by the way. >>> >>> hope that helps! >>> best, >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marco Donnarumma >>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Marco. >>>> >>>> the newest version, is wihout tcl error ! great ! >>>> >>>> line3 compiled succesfully - thanks for link. >>>> >>>> >>>> but there is something weird. it has problems with loading external >>>> libs using [import] (it was also inthe older version, so it is not new >>>> bug...) >>>> >>>> in the console appears: >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> iir 500 >>>> >>>> ... couldn't create >>>> >>>> stepper >>>> >>>> ... couldn't create >>>> >>>> >>>> and so on on many objects from various libs . >>>> >>>> but I see that you used [import] >>>> >>>> now I am will be out of pd for a long time, but your project is very >>>> interesting - thank you for that. >>>> >>>> fero >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fero Kiraly >> www.ferokiraly.com >> www.cluster-ensemble.com >> >> > -- Fero Kiraly www.ferokiraly.com www.cluster-ensemble.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allcoms at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 09:14:03 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:14:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing that Jeremy! What are you going to use your 3066 for? What are your initial impressions and findings? It should perform notably faster than your Pi. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/13/2013 01:53 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > >> Well, not a new thread, I'll reuse this one. Got my RK3066 based device >> in, it's probably a UG802 model. Debian Wheezy runs happily on it but I >> think I'm using a crappy kernel (3.0.8+ from AndrewDB). So what are >> others using? And anybody experiences with running Linux from NAND >> instead of Micro SD? >> > > http://linux.autostatic.com/**installing-linux-on-a-rk3066-**based-device > > > Regards, > > Jeremy > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It sure is faster than a Raspberry Pi but RK3066 based devices have some drawbacks: * No easy debugging access, I have yet to find the TXD pad on my RK3066. * Fragmented development efforts. There are a gazillion git repositories with all kinds of kernel sources, tools, etc. * There are simply a lot of RK3066 based devices around and since RockChip refuses to release their kernel source code people hacking on the RK3066/RK3188 depend on third-party manufacturers that do understand how GPL works and release parts of the code. Still there are things missing, I'm now searching for a way to access the NAND from within Linux but there is no source code anywhere for accessing the NAND on RK3066 based devices. Yeah, there are pre-compiled kernel modules but those don't work on my install. * Closely related to the above bullet, yesterday I decided to flash the kernel to the kernel partition only to realize later that now I can't boot into anything else but Linux. And I can't flash anything either because I can't boot in the bootloader. Apparently I can short two pads and have the device boot into recovery but that won't help me either because I've flashed the recovery partition with, you guessed it right, a Linux kernel. * JACK doesn't run on my device it with an external USB interface. It starts and then the kernel crashes. So I'm thinking about getting another TV stick but then a model that is easier to debug and that has some more community support. It should perform notably > faster than your Pi. It does but development effort is far from finished so it doesn't work as good as my Raspberry Pi. Well, at least WiFi works so I can just power it up and SSH into it. Regards, Jeremy From julien at mail.upb.de Tue Jun 18 21:00:23 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] [New music]: synth ba(p)rock Message-ID: Hello everyone! I just uploaded my latest effort. The composition is not my responsibility, nor are the lyrics. It's an arrangement of "O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden" by Bach. I took two Riemenschneider transcriptions, number 21 (BWV 153.3) and one transcription of "Wenn ich einmal soll scheiden) from the St.Matthew's passion (BWV 244). And I took the lyrics "O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden" and "Wenn ich einmal soll scheiden". But first the music: http://juliencoder.de/nama/o_haupt.ogg or: http://juliencoder.de/nama/o_haupt.mp3 My title "Wenn ich einmal soll scheiden - the Song that shouldn't". The arrangement is done with real hardware only and even no hardware emulatins were used, i.e. real analogue, wavetable, FM and the vocoder. As ever feedback is welcome. Enjoy and warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From perry at kskelectrics.com Tue Jun 18 22:00:21 2013 From: perry at kskelectrics.com (psk) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> References: <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Open device. Find button. Remove all USB. Press button. Attach otg to PC. Release button. Flash what you need. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID "Jeremy Jongepier [via Linux Audio]" wrote: > On 06/18/2013 11:14 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> Thanks for sharing that Jeremy! >> >> What are you going to use your 3066 for? >> > >Hi Dan, > >I'd like to use it for doing real-time lo-latency audio. Basically the >same way I'm using my Raspberry Pi. > >> What are your initial impressions and findings? > >Ambivalent. It sure is faster than a Raspberry Pi but RK3066 based >devices have some drawbacks: >* No easy debugging access, I have yet to find the TXD pad on my RK3066. >* Fragmented development efforts. There are a gazillion git repositories >with all kinds of kernel sources, tools, etc. >* There are simply a lot of RK3066 based devices around and since >RockChip refuses to release their kernel source code people hacking on >the RK3066/RK3188 depend on third-party manufacturers that do understand >how GPL works and release parts of the code. Still there are things >missing, I'm now searching for a way to access the NAND from within >Linux but there is no source code anywhere for accessing the NAND on >RK3066 based devices. Yeah, there are pre-compiled kernel modules but >those don't work on my install. >* Closely related to the above bullet, yesterday I decided to flash the >kernel to the kernel partition only to realize later that now I can't >boot into anything else but Linux. And I can't flash anything either >because I can't boot in the bootloader. Apparently I can short two pads >and have the device boot into recovery but that won't help me either >because I've flashed the recovery partition with, you guessed it right, >a Linux kernel. >* JACK doesn't run on my device it with an external USB interface. It >starts and then the kernel crashes. > >So I'm thinking about getting another TV stick but then a model that is >easier to debug and that has some more community support. > >? It should perform notably >> faster than your Pi. > >It does but development effort is far from finished so it doesn't work >as good as my Raspberry Pi. Well, at least WiFi works so I can just >power it up and SSH into it. > >Regards, > >Jeremy >_______________________________________________ >Linux-audio-user mailing list >[hidden email] >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > > >If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > > http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/Google-TV-device-w-AV-out-tp85160p85669.html > > > > To unsubscribe from Google TV device w/ AV out, click here. > NAML > ----- Perry Kivolowitz Partner KSK Electrics, LLC -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/Google-TV-device-w-AV-out-tp85160p85677.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry at kskelectrics.com Tue Jun 18 22:02:34 2013 From: perry at kskelectrics.com (psk) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> References: <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> Message-ID: For serial connection, look for square pad near a USB connector. That will be the ground for serial. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID "Jeremy Jongepier [via Linux Audio]" wrote: > On 06/18/2013 11:14 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> Thanks for sharing that Jeremy! >> >> What are you going to use your 3066 for? >> > >Hi Dan, > >I'd like to use it for doing real-time lo-latency audio. Basically the >same way I'm using my Raspberry Pi. > >> What are your initial impressions and findings? > >Ambivalent. It sure is faster than a Raspberry Pi but RK3066 based >devices have some drawbacks: >* No easy debugging access, I have yet to find the TXD pad on my RK3066. >* Fragmented development efforts. There are a gazillion git repositories >with all kinds of kernel sources, tools, etc. >* There are simply a lot of RK3066 based devices around and since >RockChip refuses to release their kernel source code people hacking on >the RK3066/RK3188 depend on third-party manufacturers that do understand >how GPL works and release parts of the code. Still there are things >missing, I'm now searching for a way to access the NAND from within >Linux but there is no source code anywhere for accessing the NAND on >RK3066 based devices. Yeah, there are pre-compiled kernel modules but >those don't work on my install. >* Closely related to the above bullet, yesterday I decided to flash the >kernel to the kernel partition only to realize later that now I can't >boot into anything else but Linux. And I can't flash anything either >because I can't boot in the bootloader. Apparently I can short two pads >and have the device boot into recovery but that won't help me either >because I've flashed the recovery partition with, you guessed it right, >a Linux kernel. >* JACK doesn't run on my device it with an external USB interface. It >starts and then the kernel crashes. > >So I'm thinking about getting another TV stick but then a model that is >easier to debug and that has some more community support. > >? It should perform notably >> faster than your Pi. > >It does but development effort is far from finished so it doesn't work >as good as my Raspberry Pi. Well, at least WiFi works so I can just >power it up and SSH into it. > >Regards, > >Jeremy >_______________________________________________ >Linux-audio-user mailing list >[hidden email] >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > > >If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > > http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/Google-TV-device-w-AV-out-tp85160p85669.html > > > > To unsubscribe from Google TV device w/ AV out, click here. > NAML > ----- Perry Kivolowitz Partner KSK Electrics, LLC -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/Google-TV-device-w-AV-out-tp85160p85678.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allcoms at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 22:08:25 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:08:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeremy! Thanks for your report! Pretty much what I expected, unfortunately! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/18/2013 11:14 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing that Jeremy! >> >> What are you going to use your 3066 for? >> >> > Hi Dan, > > I'd like to use it for doing real-time lo-latency audio. Basically the > same way I'm using my Raspberry Pi. > > > What are your initial impressions and findings? >> > > Ambivalent. It sure is faster than a Raspberry Pi but RK3066 based devices > have some drawbacks: > * No easy debugging access, I have yet to find the TXD pad on my RK3066. > * Fragmented development efforts. There are a gazillion git repositories > with all kinds of kernel sources, tools, etc. > * There are simply a lot of RK3066 based devices around and since RockChip > refuses to release their kernel source code people hacking on the > RK3066/RK3188 depend on third-party manufacturers that do understand how > GPL works and release parts of the code. Still there are things missing, > I'm now searching for a way to access the NAND from within Linux but there > is no source code anywhere for accessing the NAND on RK3066 based devices. > Yeah, there are pre-compiled kernel modules but those don't work on my > install. > That would seem to be the biggest issue with these devices atm but one that should legally be resolved asap. Whether they 'get' FLOSS or not, either way they only stand to gain from doing as they legally, morally should. > * Closely related to the above bullet, yesterday I decided to flash the > kernel to the kernel partition only to realize later that now I can't boot > into anything else but Linux. And I can't flash anything either because I > can't boot in the bootloader. Apparently I can short two pads and have the > device boot into recovery but that won't help me either because I've > flashed the recovery partition with, you guessed it right, a Linux kernel. > * JACK doesn't run on my device it with an external USB interface. It > starts and then the kernel crashes. > That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my Pandaboard with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? Thanks J! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dplist at free.fr Tue Jun 18 22:47:34 2013 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:47:34 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [New music]: synth ba(p)rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130619004734.d6dce1a56a909174c7a9f3c5@free.fr> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Julien Claassen wrote: > As ever feedback is welcome. Sounds a bit like a chiptune, I'm not too much of a fan. You've got an arranging talent, so maybe a lighter touch on synth erotics would suit me better. Bravo and thanks ! -- David From julien at mail.upb.de Tue Jun 18 22:50:42 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:50:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] [New music]: synth ba(p)rock In-Reply-To: <20130619004734.d6dce1a56a909174c7a9f3c5@free.fr> References: <20130619004734.d6dce1a56a909174c7a9f3c5@free.fr> Message-ID: Hello David! Thanks for your comment. Relax, next time, I'll go lighter on the synths again. I just had to put them forward in bruit force once to celebrate the return of two old friends. Best wishes Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Jun 19 02:22:04 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:22:04 +1000 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51019.188.26.255.220.1371608524.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Wed, June 19, 2013 8:08 am, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Hi Jeremy! > > Thanks for your report! Pretty much what I expected, unfortunately! > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jeremy Jongepier > wrote: > >> On 06/18/2013 11:14 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sharing that Jeremy! >>> >>> What are you going to use your 3066 for? >>> >>> >> Hi Dan, >> >> I'd like to use it for doing real-time lo-latency audio. Basically the >> same way I'm using my Raspberry Pi. >> >> >> What are your initial impressions and findings? >>> >> >> Ambivalent. It sure is faster than a Raspberry Pi but RK3066 based >> devices >> have some drawbacks: >> * No easy debugging access, I have yet to find the TXD pad on my RK3066. >> * Fragmented development efforts. There are a gazillion git repositories >> with all kinds of kernel sources, tools, etc. >> * There are simply a lot of RK3066 based devices around and since >> RockChip >> refuses to release their kernel source code people hacking on the >> RK3066/RK3188 depend on third-party manufacturers that do understand how >> GPL works and release parts of the code. Still there are things missing, >> I'm now searching for a way to access the NAND from within Linux but >> there >> is no source code anywhere for accessing the NAND on RK3066 based >> devices. >> Yeah, there are pre-compiled kernel modules but those don't work on my >> install. >> > > That would seem to be the biggest issue with these devices atm but one > that > should legally be resolved asap. > > Whether they 'get' FLOSS or not, either way they only stand to gain from > doing as they legally, morally should. > What's the legal aspect here? Are they using gpl code in their drivers but not releasing them? > >> * Closely related to the above bullet, yesterday I decided to flash the >> kernel to the kernel partition only to realize later that now I can't >> boot >> into anything else but Linux. And I can't flash anything either because >> I >> can't boot in the bootloader. Apparently I can short two pads and have >> the >> device boot into recovery but that won't help me either because I've >> flashed the recovery partition with, you guessed it right, a Linux >> kernel. >> * JACK doesn't run on my device it with an external USB interface. It >> starts and then the kernel crashes. >> > > That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my > Pandaboard > with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? > > Thanks J! > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From perry at kskelectrics.com Wed Jun 19 04:26:05 2013 From: perry at kskelectrics.com (Perry Kivolowitz) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:26:05 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out Message-ID: Hi Jeremy, Really, what are you doing with the sticks? I am working on a real time audio product and could sure use a colleague. This is a for profit effort. I have about a dozen of the rk3188 based sticks and have supplied most of the Linux experts porting to that device with hardware. Five countries worth. Thanks From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 19 07:20:47 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:20:47 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51C15BCF.2070107@autostatic.com> On 06/19/2013 12:00 AM, psk wrote: > Open device. Find button. Remove all USB. Press button. Attach otg to PC. Release button. Flash what you need. Mine has no button, it's some kind of UG802 clone or revision: http://www.freaktab.com/showthread.php?4126-ANOTHER-CLONE!-UG802_9-or-UG80x-Stock-ROM-now-available If you short ED2 the device boots in a different mode, bootlader probably, but I haven't got that working yet. Regards, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 19 07:23:46 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:23:46 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51C15C82.1060104@autostatic.com> On 06/19/2013 12:02 AM, psk wrote: > For serial connection, look for square pad near a USB connector. That will be the ground for serial. Thanks, I'll give that a go. I'm so bad with soldering irons though ;) Regards, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 19 07:32:10 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:32:10 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51C15E7A.80304@autostatic.com> On 06/19/2013 12:08 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Hi Jeremy! > > Thanks for your report! Pretty much what I expected, unfortunately! > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > >> On 06/18/2013 11:14 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sharing that Jeremy! >>> >>> What are you going to use your 3066 for? >>> >>> >> Hi Dan, >> >> I'd like to use it for doing real-time lo-latency audio. Basically the >> same way I'm using my Raspberry Pi. >> >> >> What are your initial impressions and findings? >>> >> >> Ambivalent. It sure is faster than a Raspberry Pi but RK3066 based devices >> have some drawbacks: >> * No easy debugging access, I have yet to find the TXD pad on my RK3066. >> * Fragmented development efforts. There are a gazillion git repositories >> with all kinds of kernel sources, tools, etc. >> * There are simply a lot of RK3066 based devices around and since RockChip >> refuses to release their kernel source code people hacking on the >> RK3066/RK3188 depend on third-party manufacturers that do understand how >> GPL works and release parts of the code. Still there are things missing, >> I'm now searching for a way to access the NAND from within Linux but there >> is no source code anywhere for accessing the NAND on RK3066 based devices. >> Yeah, there are pre-compiled kernel modules but those don't work on my >> install. >> > > That would seem to be the biggest issue with these devices atm but one that > should legally be resolved asap. > > Whether they 'get' FLOSS or not, either way they only stand to gain from > doing as they legally, morally should. > Practically all source code added by RockChip is available, except for the NAND kernel module. I'll send the manufacturer a mail regarding the NAND source code. The problem is that the NAND kernel module is in the initramfs and I get the idea that manufacturers using RK3066 based boards all use the same NAND kernel modules, or even initramfs's, provided by RockChip. > >> * Closely related to the above bullet, yesterday I decided to flash the >> kernel to the kernel partition only to realize later that now I can't boot >> into anything else but Linux. And I can't flash anything either because I >> can't boot in the bootloader. Apparently I can short two pads and have the >> device boot into recovery but that won't help me either because I've >> flashed the recovery partition with, you guessed it right, a Linux kernel. >> * JACK doesn't run on my device it with an external USB interface. It >> starts and then the kernel crashes. >> > > That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my Pandaboard > with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? > I only use Jack1 so it was the first thing I tried. > Thanks J! > From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 19 07:41:04 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:41:04 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51C16090.4040001@autostatic.com> On 06/19/2013 06:26 AM, Perry Kivolowitz wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > Really, what are you doing with the sticks? I am working on a real time audio product and could sure use a colleague. This is a for profit effort. > > I have about a dozen of the rk3188 based sticks and have supplied most of the Linux experts porting to that device with hardware. Five countries worth. > > Thanks Hi Perry, I want to use them for doing real-time, low-latency audio. So use them as a virtual guitar amp with guitarix for example. Or as a synth or sampler. I got it all working on my Raspberry Pi and now I'd like to get it working on a RK3066 based device too. The company I work for has a RK3188 based device on order (MK809III) and I have to hack it. The necessary kernel source code has been available for about two weeks I think and only last week some people succeeded in getting Linux on it. As I think I could personally benefit from these developments, not only as a musician but also on a professional basis, I'm willing to invest some time into hacking these devices. So if you need an extra colleague, count me in! Regards, Jeremy From allcoms at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 10:08:58 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:08:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can't wait to find out what you've got planned here Perry! On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Perry Kivolowitz wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > Really, what are you doing with the sticks? I am working on a real time > audio product and could sure use a colleague. This is a for profit effort. > > I have about a dozen of the rk3188 based sticks and have supplied most of > the Linux experts porting to that device with hardware. Five countries > worth. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Jun 19 10:54:36 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:54:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] More new music: some synthpop and some progressive rock Message-ID: Hello again! This time it's only delayed new music. One I finished last winter. I waited for the lyrics, but they wouldn't really come. So you get What If in the instrumental version. Very Ace Of Base influenced. And: this is the first real MIDI sequenced piece. Thanks alexandre for your wonderful Midish and thanks once more to Joel for his superb Nama. It's still a little complicated to fit them together, but that is sure to change! http://juliencoder.de/nama/what_if.ogg http://juliencoder.de/nama/what_if.mp3 the other, even longer delayed piece, is the title piece of the album "Music For A New World". My first attempt of magnum opus with Nama. Nowadays I'd mix it better and I might have concluded the lyrics and recorded the vocals. But I'm so out of it now. I hope you can still enjoy it. It's the link between all the other pieces, taking up small themes from them or lending its own themes to them. Yeah, I'm Flower Kings manic and they are good teachers. So don't blame them for me being a bad pupil. :-) http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.ogg http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.mp3 And as ever you can find them all on the website: http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html Once I get the last piece for "Music For A New World" mixed, I'll also add an extra page for the album, so the concept is more readily visible. :-) Your feedback, constructive criticism is as ever very welcome. Kindly yours Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 19 11:53:30 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:53:30 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51C15BCF.2070107@autostatic.com> References: <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C15BCF.2070107@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51C19BBA.7000807@autostatic.com> On 06/19/2013 09:20 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > If you short ED2 the device boots in a different mode, bootlader > probably, but I haven't got that working yet. Got it working after scraping the pins a bit: http://linux.autostatic.com/unknown-rk3066-based-device-tidbits Now I can move on again trying to get JACK working on it. Jeremy From diego.simak at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 13:22:04 2013 From: diego.simak at gmail.com (Diego Simak) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:22:04 -0300 Subject: [LAU] Dssi-vst Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit Message-ID: Hello List, I would like to know if anybody of you had any luck compiling and running dssi-vst in Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit. According to what I read on internet, it seems that a problem exists in 12.04 64 bit + Wine 1.4 and dssi-vst, that prevents to compile dssi-vst with Wine1.4 in 64 bit systems. Thank you very much, Diego -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeremy From falktx at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 14:23:22 2013 From: falktx at gmail.com (Filipe Coelho) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:23:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Dssi-vst Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51C1BEDA.9030008@gmail.com> On 06/19/2013 02:22 PM, Diego Simak wrote: > Hello List, > I would like to know if anybody of you had any luck compiling and > running dssi-vst in Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit. > > According to what I read on internet, it seems that a problem exists > in 12.04 64 bit + Wine 1.4 and dssi-vst, that prevents to compile > dssi-vst with Wine1.4 in 64 bit systems. > I have it working for Ubuntu in the KXStudio-Team plugins PPA: https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/plugins/ The setup is a bit tricky, we need to build the wine stuff only on 32bit, but still build the real DSSI plugin code in 64bit. 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I've installed both dssi-vst-bridge and dssi-vst from the latest package that you sent me and now it's perfectly running! Really thank you very much for this. Diego From rustys.lists at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 16:30:06 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:30:06 -0700 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport Message-ID: Hi folks, If this seems like a stupid question, it's because I'm very new at this. Is there a way to control the jack transport system start/stop with a hardware controller or footpedal? I want to control jack, thereby controlling other jack aware applications which do not have implementations of start/stop via midi. Thanks so much! Rusty From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Wed Jun 19 17:10:31 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:10:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1371661831.757.24.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 09:30 -0700, Rusty Perez wrote: > Is there a way to control the jack transport system start/stop with a > hardware controller or footpedal? At least a MIDI control device can start/stop recording applications that can be synced by jack transport, IOW yes, you can do it, e.g. by the cheap Korg nanoKontrol. Btw. I don't use the transport buttons of my nanoKontrol, an expensive device might provide a really useful transport control, but instead of using this cheap device for the transport, I prefer mouse, keyboard, automatic punch in and out. Regards, Ralf From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Wed Jun 19 17:14:52 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:14:52 +0200 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1371662092.757.27.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 09:30 -0700, Rusty Perez wrote: > I want to control jack, thereby > controlling other jack aware applications which do not have > implementations of start/stop via midi. PS: Then use an app that does understand the needed code by MIDI, e.g. Ardour, to start and stop other apps that can be synced by jack transport. From len at ovenwerks.net Wed Jun 19 23:37:21 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:37:21 -0700 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport Message-ID: <3bf8119535b03098bbe4dbcb4fd118fd.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Wed, June 19, 2013 9:30 am, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > If this seems like a stupid question, it's because I'm very new at this. > Is there a way to control the jack transport system start/stop with a > hardware controller or footpedal? I want to control jack, thereby > controlling other jack aware applications which do not have > implementations of start/stop via midi. USB keyboards are cheap (I'm talking about the qwerty kind). Inside is a tiny circuit board and lots of switches. Figure out the lines that go to the space, left arrow, right arrow (or whatever you think would be useful). Most programs will deal with key strokes. If you want it to be separate from your desktop KB there are ways of doing that probably in X or use a raspberry pi and run netjack and jack_transport or jack.transport... Or no jack at all on the pi and just have it ssh into your computer and run jack_transport. The same thing can be used for making a foot switch to advance impress/lyricue/or other presentation SW for displaying lyrics or a chord chart for that matter. Very simple project... put pc board in box, put how ever many 1/4 inch jacks you want foot switches for. Get epiano sustain pedals to plug in (make sure they are normally open or changeable). The pc card will have two sets of contacts for scanning, so each switch will be connected one contact on each set. I normally follow the traces back that go to the switches I want. I don't know about now, but it used to be Yamaha and Roland switches were opposite... One being NC and the other NO. Take an Ohm meter to the music store :) (this one would work for sure: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KSP20/ as it is switch-able) Don't worry about running out of switches... 101 should be enough to keep your foot tapping happily. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From len at ovenwerks.net Wed Jun 19 23:45:43 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:45:43 -0700 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport Message-ID: <85cbcc75b9ecd1b329b1df1b2ab0da23.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Wed, June 19, 2013 4:37 pm, Len Ovens wrote: > On Wed, June 19, 2013 9:30 am, Rusty Perez wrote: >> Hi folks, >> If this seems like a stupid question, it's because I'm very new at this. >> Is there a way to control the jack transport system start/stop with a >> hardware controller or footpedal? I want to control jack, thereby >> controlling other jack aware applications which do not have >> implementations of start/stop via midi. > > USB keyboards are cheap (I'm talking about the qwerty kind). Inside is a > tiny circuit board and lots of switches. Figure out the lines that go to > the space, left arrow, right arrow (or whatever you think would be > useful). Most programs will deal with key strokes. If you want it to be > separate from your desktop KB there are ways of doing that probably in X > or use a raspberry pi and run netjack and jack_transport or > jack.transport... Or no jack at all on the pi and just have it ssh into > your computer and run jack_transport. BTW, for extra points add some rotary encoders and SW and make a mixer controller. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Thu Jun 20 00:03:06 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:03:06 +0200 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: <3bf8119535b03098bbe4dbcb4fd118fd.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <3bf8119535b03098bbe4dbcb4fd118fd.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <1371686586.6069.9.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 16:37 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > Get epiano sustain pedals to plug in > (make sure they are normally open or changeable). [snip] Yamaha and > Roland switches were opposite The Yamaha sustain pedal is always closed, it will be opened when you touch it, so it can't be used to replace a switch of a keyboard, at least not without a circuit. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Thu Jun 20 00:27:40 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:27:40 +0200 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: <85cbcc75b9ecd1b329b1df1b2ab0da23.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <85cbcc75b9ecd1b329b1df1b2ab0da23.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <1371688060.6069.18.camel@archlinux> Btw. another issue might be that the OP perhaps wants one foot switch to start and stop, but the quasi default is that there are different switches/commands for start and stop and stop might provide an option to continue playing from the start position. So preparing a qwerty-keyboard might need a script to change the command between play and stop after each usage of the footswitch. Do those USB MIDI foot controllers work with Linux, IOW is it possible to allocate MIDI commands to the switches, without the need to run Windows/Mac software for doing this? From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Thu Jun 20 00:38:23 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:38:23 +0200 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: <1371688060.6069.18.camel@archlinux> References: <85cbcc75b9ecd1b329b1df1b2ab0da23.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <1371688060.6069.18.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1371688703.6069.23.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 16:45 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > BTW, for extra points add some rotary encoders and SW and make a mixer > controller. It's less expensive to buy such a device instead DIY. On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 02:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Do those USB MIDI foot controllers work with Linux, IOW is it possible > to allocate MIDI commands to the switches, without the need to run > Windows/Mac software for doing this? I found out that some don't need a driver, so they should work for Linux too, assumed there's no need to send a special command. IMO a command could be transformed to another and I guess some apps allow to allocate MIDI commands to the software's knobs. From len at ovenwerks.net Thu Jun 20 00:59:41 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:59:41 -0700 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport Message-ID: On Wed, June 19, 2013 5:27 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Btw. another issue might be that the OP perhaps wants one foot switch to > start and stop, but the quasi default is that there are different > switches/commands for start and stop and stop might provide an option to > continue playing from the start position. Space is pretty much default for start/pause. (works in qjackctl and jack.transport anyway) Jack.transport seems to have the easiest batch of one key commands to use: "s : Start and stop transport. Aliased to [space]. l : Locate to entered time. Starting to type a number will also enter locate mode. i: Set skip increment to entered interval. z : Locate to start (zero). r : Erase and refresh screen. > : Skip forwards. Aliased to . and [right-arrow]. < : Skip backwards. Aliased to , and [left-arrow]." So looking at other programs where a foot switch might be handy and trying to fit more than one might be an idea. space and left and right arrow happen to be very common (space is used in unix all over the place). z is the odd one out. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From len at ovenwerks.net Thu Jun 20 01:06:31 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:06:31 -0700 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport Message-ID: <4c7891f7cb0cd7a119f3d3aa7729e233.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> On Wed, June 19, 2013 5:38 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 16:45 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: >> BTW, for extra points add some rotary encoders and SW and make a mixer >> controller. > > It's less expensive to buy such a device instead DIY. I agree. Also, one generally wants system feed back as to where the knob is adjusted to. The keyboard interface doesn't really provide a way of doing that. The rasp pi GPIO is probably a better interface for that. DIY does allow the exact layout the user wants though... sometimes that is worth spending more on. Sometimes you just can't get what you want from the store. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From espiritocz at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 02:51:37 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:51:37 +0800 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. It is morning for me now, and I see so many words, I don't know. But maybe this helps: I have bought a very simple and cheap foot pedal for USB (search for usb pedal in www.dx.com) and there are actually three pedals, so it works as three keyboard keys. I can map these keys using a very simple utility - I have a link somewhere.. it is called "footswitch" - oh, here is the link: https://github.com/rgerganov/*footswitch * *Hope it helps. Cheers! Milan * 2013/6/20 Len Ovens > > On Wed, June 19, 2013 5:27 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Btw. another issue might be that the OP perhaps wants one foot switch to > > start and stop, but the quasi default is that there are different > > switches/commands for start and stop and stop might provide an option to > > continue playing from the start position. > > Space is pretty much default for start/pause. (works in qjackctl and > jack.transport anyway) Jack.transport seems to have the easiest batch of > one key commands to use: > > "s : Start and stop transport. Aliased to [space]. > l : Locate to entered time. Starting to type a number will also enter > locate mode. > i: Set skip increment to entered interval. > z : Locate to start (zero). > r : Erase and refresh screen. > > : Skip forwards. Aliased to . and [right-arrow]. > < : Skip backwards. Aliased to , and [left-arrow]." > > So looking at other programs where a foot switch might be handy and trying > to fit more than one might be an idea. space and left and right arrow > happen to be very common (space is used in unix all over the place). z is > the odd one out. > > > -- > Len Ovens > www.OvenWerks.net > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brummer- at web.de Thu Jun 20 03:47:49 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:47:49 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Free Impulse Response files for guitarists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51C27B65.5040003@web.de> > Thx! Not tried them yet, but I am wondering what the second load of IRs is? > It just looks like a load of bands/songs and I don't understand how you > would generate an ir from that.. I guess it might be able to model the > overall reverb on the track but I can't see how it would be of relevance > to modeling individual guitar amp internal reverb? Here is a Video were david fau casquel explain how he create those IR-files and how to use them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjdMi2VW9A I found for guitarix the best use of those files is by running them with just the tubescreamer and a ampmodel before the convolver. (Both packages would be part of the next guitarix release) :-) From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 04:58:26 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:58:26 -0700 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all who have responded! Len, your idea would actually be a great way if I was at all inclined to solder, but, being blind, I rather like my fingertips as they are. Milan, I think your answer takes the prise! I think that app, plus jackctlmmc might just do the trick! Thanks! Rusty On 6/19/13, Milan Lazecky wrote: > Hi. > It is morning for me now, and I see so many words, I don't know. But maybe > this helps: > I have bought a very simple and cheap foot pedal for USB (search for usb > pedal in www.dx.com) and there are actually three pedals, so it works as > three keyboard keys. I can map these keys using a very simple utility - I > have a link somewhere.. it is called "footswitch" - oh, here is the link: > https://github.com/rgerganov/*footswitch > > * > *Hope it helps. Cheers! > > Milan > * > > > 2013/6/20 Len Ovens > >> >> On Wed, June 19, 2013 5:27 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > Btw. another issue might be that the OP perhaps wants one foot switch >> > to >> > start and stop, but the quasi default is that there are different >> > switches/commands for start and stop and stop might provide an option >> > to >> > continue playing from the start position. >> >> Space is pretty much default for start/pause. (works in qjackctl and >> jack.transport anyway) Jack.transport seems to have the easiest batch of >> one key commands to use: >> >> "s : Start and stop transport. Aliased to [space]. >> l : Locate to entered time. Starting to type a number will also enter >> locate mode. >> i: Set skip increment to entered interval. >> z : Locate to start (zero). >> r : Erase and refresh screen. >> > : Skip forwards. Aliased to . and [right-arrow]. >> < : Skip backwards. Aliased to , and [left-arrow]." >> >> So looking at other programs where a foot switch might be handy and >> trying >> to fit more than one might be an idea. space and left and right arrow >> happen to be very common (space is used in unix all over the place). z is >> the odd one out. >> >> >> -- >> Len Ovens >> www.OvenWerks.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > From espiritocz at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 05:29:35 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:29:35 +0800 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Haha, thank you ) But please note, that this pedal I was writing about, it doesn't send midi signals! It behaves really like a keyboard, so you can map some keys or combinations of keys to it - but not MIDI. I have seen some another utility that can transform keyboard keys to midi signals but it.. well.. it wasn't that useful for me. Anyway, good luck with whatever you do and thanks for the tip about qjackmmc - I will investigate how can I use this stuff. Cheers! Milan 2013/6/20 Rusty Perez > Thanks to all who have responded! > Len, your idea would actually be a great way if I was at all inclined > to solder, but, being blind, I rather like my fingertips as they are. > Milan, I think your answer takes the prise! > I think that app, plus jackctlmmc might just do the trick! > > Thanks! > Rusty > > > On 6/19/13, Milan Lazecky wrote: > > Hi. > > It is morning for me now, and I see so many words, I don't know. But > maybe > > this helps: > > I have bought a very simple and cheap foot pedal for USB (search for usb > > pedal in www.dx.com) and there are actually three pedals, so it works as > > three keyboard keys. I can map these keys using a very simple utility - I > > have a link somewhere.. it is called "footswitch" - oh, here is the link: > > https://github.com/rgerganov/*footswitch > > > > * > > *Hope it helps. Cheers! > > > > Milan > > * > > > > > > 2013/6/20 Len Ovens > > > >> > >> On Wed, June 19, 2013 5:27 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > Btw. another issue might be that the OP perhaps wants one foot switch > >> > to > >> > start and stop, but the quasi default is that there are different > >> > switches/commands for start and stop and stop might provide an option > >> > to > >> > continue playing from the start position. > >> > >> Space is pretty much default for start/pause. (works in qjackctl and > >> jack.transport anyway) Jack.transport seems to have the easiest batch of > >> one key commands to use: > >> > >> "s : Start and stop transport. Aliased to [space]. > >> l : Locate to entered time. 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URL: From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 05:34:49 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:34:49 +0200 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51C29479.80501@gmail.com> On 06/19/2013 06:30 PM, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > If this seems like a stupid question, it's because I'm very new at this. > Is there a way to control the jack transport system start/stop with a > hardware controller or footpedal? I want to control jack, thereby > controlling other jack aware applications which do not have > implementations of start/stop via midi. > > Thanks so much! > Rusty Hi Rusty, you may be interested in this project: http://jackctlmmc.sourceforge.net/ regards, Brendan From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 06:15:54 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:15:54 -0700 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually Milan, This still may be the trick! The application I want to control with my foot, nama, a commandline based DAW, uses space for stop/start and so this could work! I'll continue investigating. Thanks! Rusty On 6/19/13, Milan Lazecky wrote: > Haha, thank you ) > But please note, that this pedal I was writing about, it doesn't send midi > signals! It behaves really like a keyboard, so you can map some keys or > combinations of keys to it - but not MIDI. I have seen some another utility > that can transform keyboard keys to midi signals but it.. well.. it wasn't > that useful for me. > Anyway, good luck with whatever you do and thanks for the tip about > qjackmmc - I will investigate how can I use this stuff. > Cheers! > > Milan > > > 2013/6/20 Rusty Perez > >> Thanks to all who have responded! >> Len, your idea would actually be a great way if I was at all inclined >> to solder, but, being blind, I rather like my fingertips as they are. >> Milan, I think your answer takes the prise! >> I think that app, plus jackctlmmc might just do the trick! >> >> Thanks! >> Rusty >> >> >> On 6/19/13, Milan Lazecky wrote: >> > Hi. >> > It is morning for me now, and I see so many words, I don't know. But >> maybe >> > this helps: >> > I have bought a very simple and cheap foot pedal for USB (search for >> > usb >> > pedal in www.dx.com) and there are actually three pedals, so it works >> > as >> > three keyboard keys. I can map these keys using a very simple utility - >> > I >> > have a link somewhere.. it is called "footswitch" - oh, here is the >> > link: >> > https://github.com/rgerganov/*footswitch >> > >> > * >> > *Hope it helps. Cheers! >> > >> > Milan >> > * >> > >> > >> > 2013/6/20 Len Ovens >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, June 19, 2013 5:27 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >> > Btw. another issue might be that the OP perhaps wants one foot >> >> > switch >> >> > to >> >> > start and stop, but the quasi default is that there are different >> >> > switches/commands for start and stop and stop might provide an >> >> > option >> >> > to >> >> > continue playing from the start position. >> >> >> >> Space is pretty much default for start/pause. (works in qjackctl and >> >> jack.transport anyway) Jack.transport seems to have the easiest batch >> >> of >> >> one key commands to use: >> >> >> >> "s : Start and stop transport. Aliased to [space]. >> >> l : Locate to entered time. Starting to type a number will also >> >> enter >> >> locate mode. >> >> i: Set skip increment to entered interval. >> >> z : Locate to start (zero). >> >> r : Erase and refresh screen. >> >> > : Skip forwards. Aliased to . and [right-arrow]. >> >> < : Skip backwards. Aliased to , and [left-arrow]." >> >> >> >> So looking at other programs where a foot switch might be handy and >> >> trying >> >> to fit more than one might be an idea. space and left and right arrow >> >> happen to be very common (space is used in unix all over the place). z >> is >> >> the odd one out. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Len Ovens >> >> www.OvenWerks.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >> >> > >> > From espiritocz at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 06:46:28 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:46:28 +0800 Subject: [LAU] hardware midi control--footswitch? or Jack audio transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, good to know nama... By the way, if you investigate this "footswitch" - it actually can handle also strings. So, you press one pedal and it will write some command to the terminal. Can be helpful I think.. (I don't know if it can also push enter, need a check) M. 2013/6/20 Rusty Perez > Actually Milan, > This still may be the trick! > The application I want to control with my foot, nama, a commandline > based DAW, uses space for stop/start and so this could work! > I'll continue investigating. > Thanks! > Rusty > > > On 6/19/13, Milan Lazecky wrote: > > Haha, thank you ) > > But please note, that this pedal I was writing about, it doesn't send > midi > > signals! It behaves really like a keyboard, so you can map some keys or > > combinations of keys to it - but not MIDI. I have seen some another > utility > > that can transform keyboard keys to midi signals but it.. well.. it > wasn't > > that useful for me. > > Anyway, good luck with whatever you do and thanks for the tip about > > qjackmmc - I will investigate how can I use this stuff. > > Cheers! > > > > Milan > > > > > > 2013/6/20 Rusty Perez > > > >> Thanks to all who have responded! > >> Len, your idea would actually be a great way if I was at all inclined > >> to solder, but, being blind, I rather like my fingertips as they are. > >> Milan, I think your answer takes the prise! > >> I think that app, plus jackctlmmc might just do the trick! > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Rusty > >> > >> > >> On 6/19/13, Milan Lazecky wrote: > >> > Hi. > >> > It is morning for me now, and I see so many words, I don't know. But > >> maybe > >> > this helps: > >> > I have bought a very simple and cheap foot pedal for USB (search for > >> > usb > >> > pedal in www.dx.com) and there are actually three pedals, so it works > >> > as > >> > three keyboard keys. I can map these keys using a very simple utility > - > >> > I > >> > have a link somewhere.. it is called "footswitch" - oh, here is the > >> > link: > >> > https://github.com/rgerganov/*footswitch > >> > > >> > * > >> > *Hope it helps. Cheers! > >> > > >> > Milan > >> > * > >> > > >> > > >> > 2013/6/20 Len Ovens > >> > > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, June 19, 2013 5:27 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> >> > Btw. another issue might be that the OP perhaps wants one foot > >> >> > switch > >> >> > to > >> >> > start and stop, but the quasi default is that there are different > >> >> > switches/commands for start and stop and stop might provide an > >> >> > option > >> >> > to > >> >> > continue playing from the start position. > >> >> > >> >> Space is pretty much default for start/pause. (works in qjackctl and > >> >> jack.transport anyway) Jack.transport seems to have the easiest batch > >> >> of > >> >> one key commands to use: > >> >> > >> >> "s : Start and stop transport. Aliased to [space]. > >> >> l : Locate to entered time. Starting to type a number will also > >> >> enter > >> >> locate mode. > >> >> i: Set skip increment to entered interval. > >> >> z : Locate to start (zero). > >> >> r : Erase and refresh screen. > >> >> > : Skip forwards. Aliased to . and [right-arrow]. > >> >> < : Skip backwards. Aliased to , and [left-arrow]." > >> >> > >> >> So looking at other programs where a foot switch might be handy and > >> >> trying > >> >> to fit more than one might be an idea. space and left and right arrow > >> >> happen to be very common (space is used in unix all over the place). > z > >> is > >> >> the odd one out. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Len Ovens > >> >> www.OvenWerks.net > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list > >> >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > >> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Recompiled the kernel without debugging and > disabled WiFi. I now see I can also tweak the IRQ threads, nice. > Looks like the kernel source for the 3188 has been released now too. http://liliputing.com/2013/06/ubuntu-up-and-running-on-android-min-pcs-with-rk3188-chips.html So let the fun begin... -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Jun 20 11:58:47 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:58:47 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51992.89.47.0.197.1371728177.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51992.89.47.0.197.1371728177.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <51C2EE77.8000203@autostatic.com> On 06/20/2013 01:36 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Looks like the kernel source for the 3188 has been released now too. > > http://liliputing.com/2013/06/ubuntu-up-and-running-on-android-min-pcs-with-rk3188-chips.html > > So let the fun begin... Yeah it was released beginning of June. I'm awaiting my RK3188 device. Just unbricked my RK3066, it couldn't cope with my poor soldering skills :( Jeremy From jamesmstone at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 15:52:44 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:52:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Free Impulse Response files for guitarists In-Reply-To: <51C27B65.5040003@web.de> References: <51C27B65.5040003@web.de> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:47 AM, hermann meyer wrote: > Thx! Not tried them yet, but I am wondering what the second load of IRs is? >> It just looks like a load of bands/songs and I don't understand how you >> would generate an ir from that.. I guess it might be able to model the >> overall reverb on the track but I can't see how it would be of relevance >> to modeling individual guitar amp internal reverb? >> > > Here is a Video were david fau casquel explain how he create those > IR-files and how to use them. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=iYjdMi2VW9A > > I found for guitarix the best use of those files is by running them with > just the tubescreamer and a ampmodel before the convolver. > (Both packages would be part of the next guitarix release) :-) > > This is just so amazing!! The EQ matching plugin was pretty impressive - anything similar in Linux? J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please join us on a three-hour journey with a modern (HTML5) browser (Firefox & Chrome preferred) Friday 21. june, 20:00 CET at http://transmittance.emanat.si or on-site at MSUM, Ljubljana with you will be the #2.5 live team: Loup Abramovici, Maja Delak, Claudia Fancello, Matija Ferlin, Janez Jan?a, Luka Prin?i?, Maja Smrekar, Maja ?orli Programming: Jakob Leben // Light design: Ur?ka Vohar Photography: Nada ?gank // Executive production: Sa?a Rakef see also: http://emanat.si/en/production/?tag=transmittance http://u3trienale.mg-lj.si/en/program-2/ Transmittance is produced by EMANAT institute Co-produced by MG-LJ/MSUM. Financial support: Ministry for culture of Slovenia, City of Ljubljana contact: info at emanat.si -- Luka Prin?i? / Nova deViator - + 386-40-66-77-98 + http://deviator.si + D6A4 595B F092 684A 389E CD9D 1397 C721 FFA5 2FD7 - From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 17:29:29 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:29:29 -0700 Subject: [LAU] my first multi-track recording project on linux Message-ID: Hi folks, I submit this to you with great trepidation because I know there are lots of problems with it, but, here is the first multi-track recording I've ever made with nama/ecasound. First, each of these four tracks were a first take of a song idea I had. The bass and percussion parts were basically composed on the fly. This is the first thing ever recorded on my linux box, so levels ETC. were untested. It was also the first time I've ever mixed with nama. Finally, there is some distortion in the mix and I'm not sure of its origin. Anyway, with all that said, here's my first baby step. Hopefully I've reduced your expectations to nothing so that you'll find something good here. :-) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/invisible-friend-first-mix.ogg Rusty From mike at thepullen.net Thu Jun 20 18:54:51 2013 From: mike at thepullen.net (Mike Pullen) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:54:51 -0500 Subject: [LAU] my first multi-track recording project on linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't have time for a really detailed response, but-- Wow! Nice! The percussion (specifically, kick) seem to, i dunno, stutter and pop or something a bit, and that's distracting-- but overall recording quality and mix and "musicality" are all superb... Great, great first steps! Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > I submit this to you with great trepidation because I know there are > lots of problems with it, but, here is the first multi-track recording > I've ever made with nama/ecasound. > First, each of these four tracks were a first take of a song idea I > had. The bass and percussion parts were basically composed on the fly. > This is the first thing ever recorded on my linux box, so levels ETC. > were untested. > It was also the first time I've ever mixed with nama. > Finally, there is some distortion in the mix and I'm not sure of its > origin. > > Anyway, with all that said, here's my first baby step. Hopefully I've > reduced your expectations to nothing so that you'll find something > good here. :-) > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/invisible-friend-first-mix.ogg > > Rusty > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully I've > reduced your expectations to nothing so that you'll find something > good here. :-) > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/invisible-friend-first-mix.ogg > > Rusty > This sounds so good! Just right for a summers evening! The couple of crackles/pops sound a bit like xruns to me. Did you get your audio interface running stable? J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 19:14:23 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:14:23 -0700 Subject: [LAU] my first multi-track recording project on linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for your kind words Mike and James, There are some xruns going on here. I'm using a delta 1010lt instead of the tascam I had originally tried to use. Basically I gave up on that because of the kernel problems. I'm running with a 3.0 ghz dualcore processor and 3 gb ram. I think that maybe a little lean. Mike, as I say, this was a first take on the percussion (cajon) and I didn't have a click track, because I hadn't figured out how to use it yet. :-) So, there were some hickups in my playing. :-) Thanks so much guys! Rusty On 6/20/13, James Stone wrote: > On Jun 20, 2013 6:29 PM, "Rusty Perez" wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> I submit this to you with great trepidation because I know there are >> lots of problems with it, but, here is the first multi-track recording >> I've ever made with nama/ecasound. >> First, each of these four tracks were a first take of a song idea I >> had. The bass and percussion parts were basically composed on the fly. >> This is the first thing ever recorded on my linux box, so levels ETC. >> were untested. >> It was also the first time I've ever mixed with nama. >> Finally, there is some distortion in the mix and I'm not sure of its > origin. >> >> Anyway, with all that said, here's my first baby step. Hopefully I've >> reduced your expectations to nothing so that you'll find something >> good here. :-) >> >> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/invisible-friend-first-mix.ogg >> >> Rusty >> > > This sounds so good! Just right for a summers evening! > > The couple of crackles/pops sound a bit like xruns to me. Did you get your > audio interface running stable? > > J > From allcoms at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 21:32:23 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:32:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?=C4nglag=E5rd_-_July_14th_-_Goarshausen?= Message-ID: Arguably the worlds finest modern prog rock band is playing in Goarshausen, Germany on July 14th and I'm keen to be there so I was wondering if anyone on this list may be going too? I've never visited Germany before and I know we have a few German prog rock fans on here who may be interested to meet up sometime before or after the gig to discuss Linux (audio), prog rock and anything else interesting? This seems like my best excuse the visit das Vaterland yet. I'd feel it necessary to visit Berlin whilst I was there too so even if you can't make the gig but live in Germany and you'd like to meet up during 'danboid does Deutschland' - let me know! Dan kesch?n! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From len at ovenwerks.net Thu Jun 20 22:14:48 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:14:48 -0700 Subject: [LAU] my first multi-track recording project on linux Message-ID: On Thu, June 20, 2013 12:14 pm, Rusty Perez wrote: > Thanks for your kind words Mike and James, > There are some xruns going on here. > I'm using a delta 1010lt instead of the tascam I had originally tried > to use. Basically I gave up on that because of the kernel problems. > > I'm running with a 3.0 ghz dualcore processor and 3 gb ram. I think > that maybe a little lean. Shouldn't be, at least not for what I heard there. I have an old P4 (single core)2.4Mhz and 2.5G ram. and I could handle that (I've done 12 or so tracks) on Ardour. I do slide the latency, going low for recording and higher for mixdown. I use a delta 66 which looks the same to the computer as your 1010. System tweaks may help. I record with no effects of filters at all, just direct sound. On the plus side the levels were good, and the sound natural. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net From petecrighton at googlemail.com Fri Jun 21 00:30:55 2013 From: petecrighton at googlemail.com (Peter Crighton) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 02:30:55 +0200 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?=C3=84nglag=C3=A5rd_-_July_14th_-_Goarshausen?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m still hoping to attend the whole festival with my brother like I was last year (which was phenomenal), but I don?t know if I can afford it. Will be a quite spontaneous decision, I guess. -- Peter Crighton | Musician & Music Engraver based in Mainz, Germany http://www.petercrighton.de 2013/6/20 Dan MacDonald > Arguably the worlds finest modern prog rock band is playing in Goarshausen, > Germany on July 14th and I'm keen to be there so I was wondering if anyone > on this list may be going too? I've never visited Germany before and I > know we have a few German prog rock fans on here who may be interested to > meet up sometime before or after the gig to discuss Linux (audio), prog > rock and anything else interesting? > > This seems like my best excuse the visit das Vaterland yet. I'd feel it > necessary to visit Berlin whilst I was there too so even if you can't make > the gig but live in Germany and you'd like to meet up during 'danboid does > Deutschland' - let me know! > > > Dan kesch?n! > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From espiritocz at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 00:55:39 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:55:39 +0800 Subject: [LAU] my first multi-track recording project on linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exactly, very natural - I like it mann :D I stopped listening to reggae but now this reminded me that it IS music, from heart. Like it and wish you luck! (critically, it lacks more confidence in the performance - hey it is good, just make the flow mann.. really first thing? u jokin' :D ) Milan 2013/6/21 Len Ovens > > On Thu, June 20, 2013 12:14 pm, Rusty Perez wrote: > > Thanks for your kind words Mike and James, > > There are some xruns going on here. > > I'm using a delta 1010lt instead of the tascam I had originally tried > > to use. Basically I gave up on that because of the kernel problems. > > > > I'm running with a 3.0 ghz dualcore processor and 3 gb ram. I think > > that maybe a little lean. > > Shouldn't be, at least not for what I heard there. I have an old P4 > (single core)2.4Mhz and 2.5G ram. and I could handle that (I've done 12 or > so tracks) on Ardour. I do slide the latency, going low for recording and > higher for mixdown. I use a delta 66 which looks the same to the computer > as your 1010. System tweaks may help. I record with no effects of filters > at all, just direct sound. > > On the plus side the levels were good, and the sound natural. > > > -- > Len Ovens > www.OvenWerks.net > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rustys.lists at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 05:54:32 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:54:32 -0700 Subject: [LAU] my first multi-track recording project on linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Len and Milan! Len, that's incouraging. I was thinking that maybe it was because I am running a graphical desktop, gnome, plus Orca to give me speech output. But Ardour's graphics are probably not much less of a load if at all. So, system tweeks it is. Milan, thanks for the critique. Yes, it does lack confidence. That's likely because I wasn't even sure if the thing was working. :-) It was a total test recording. Guess it went ok. :-) Now I just need to find some time to work on more! :-) Rusty On 6/20/13, Milan Lazecky wrote: > Exactly, very natural - I like it mann :D > I stopped listening to reggae but now this reminded me that it IS music, > from heart. Like it and wish you luck! > (critically, it lacks more confidence in the performance - hey it is good, > just make the flow mann.. really first thing? u jokin' :D ) > > Milan > > > 2013/6/21 Len Ovens > >> >> On Thu, June 20, 2013 12:14 pm, Rusty Perez wrote: >> > Thanks for your kind words Mike and James, >> > There are some xruns going on here. >> > I'm using a delta 1010lt instead of the tascam I had originally tried >> > to use. Basically I gave up on that because of the kernel problems. >> > >> > I'm running with a 3.0 ghz dualcore processor and 3 gb ram. I think >> > that maybe a little lean. >> >> Shouldn't be, at least not for what I heard there. I have an old P4 >> (single core)2.4Mhz and 2.5G ram. and I could handle that (I've done 12 >> or >> so tracks) on Ardour. I do slide the latency, going low for recording and >> higher for mixdown. I use a delta 66 which looks the same to the computer >> as your 1010. System tweaks may help. I record with no effects of filters >> at all, just direct sound. >> >> On the plus side the levels were good, and the sound natural. >> >> >> -- >> Len Ovens >> www.OvenWerks.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > From atte at youmail.dk Fri Jun 21 11:12:20 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:12:20 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Desktop recorders - was "Another Reality" LP In-Reply-To: <51B23F1E.4090409@gmail.com> References: <821b2298fbb9d740cab30e51aed61f3d.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51AEF9DC.2050500@youmail.dk> <51B23F1E.4090409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51C43514.9010704@youmail.dk> On 06/07/2013 10:14 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Recently, the only effective way I've found to do screen recording with > jack is using ffmpeg Thanks for the heads up, I'll try that as soon as possible! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From hollunder at lavabit.com Fri Jun 21 11:25:47 2013 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:25:47 +0200 Subject: [LAU] my first multi-track recording project on linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130621132547.7303e75f@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:29:29 -0700 Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > I submit this to you with great trepidation because I know there are > lots of problems with it, but, here is the first multi-track recording > I've ever made with nama/ecasound. > First, each of these four tracks were a first take of a song idea I > had. The bass and percussion parts were basically composed on the fly. > This is the first thing ever recorded on my linux box, so levels ETC. > were untested. > It was also the first time I've ever mixed with nama. > Finally, there is some distortion in the mix and I'm not sure of its > origin. > > Anyway, with all that said, here's my first baby step. Hopefully I've > reduced your expectations to nothing so that you'll find something > good here. :-) > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/invisible-friend-first-mix.ogg > > Rusty It's really nice Rusty! Get rid of the dropouts, blow it up to three minutes, add something in the background and you have a summer hit ;) Regards, Philipp From mr3sge at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 17:35:00 2013 From: mr3sge at gmail.com (Pavel) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:35:00 +0300 Subject: [LAU] No sound snd-hda-intel(ATI IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio) Message-ID: Hello! i have a big problem - no sound after install linux mint 13 mate 64. well, sometimes if i reboot - i have it, but after nex reboot - no sound no more, seems like pulseaudio don't see my sound card. Laptop: Manufacturer: FUJITSU SIEMENS Product Name: AMILO Pa 1510 Firmware Version: 1.07C soundcard: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) kernel 3.2.0-48-generic dmesg: http://pastebin.com/KF8ABwnY alsa-info: http://pastebin.com/QYBYNJi9 i read this topic: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18512 and tried to add "options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-dig single_cmd=1" to alsa-base.conf - it helped, after reboot i has sound, till i reboot - now no sound no more.. i tried everything i found in the google, even alsa-update - http://www.stchman.com/alsa_update.html here is pulseaudio -vvv : http://pastebin.com/Gv4Qymhm nothing can help me, but i understand that's the problem is in the driver.. can someone pls help me to fix the problem? thank you. From peter at peterlutek.com Fri Jun 21 19:12:13 2013 From: peter at peterlutek.com (Peter Lutek) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [LAU] compile issues for zita-rev1 and jkmeter Message-ID: <20130621.151213.239099421.peter@peterlutek.com> greetings! i'm wondering if someone here would be willing to help me get these two programs compiled... i've compiled/installed clthreads and clxclient from source. (it's a 64bit system, so libs go to /usr/local/lib64) then, when trying to compile either zita-rev1 or jkmeter, i get complaints about not finding clthreads and clxclient. thanks for any help... please let me know what other clues might help! cheers! .pltk. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Jun 21 19:37:00 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:37:00 +0200 Subject: [LAU] compile issues for zita-rev1 and jkmeter In-Reply-To: <20130621.151213.239099421.peter@peterlutek.com> References: <20130621.151213.239099421.peter@peterlutek.com> Message-ID: <1371843420.691.163.camel@archlinux> As root run ldconfig and then try to build zita-rev1 and jkmeter again. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 22 06:15:41 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:15:41 -1000 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?=C3=84nglag=C3=A5rd_-_July_14th_-_Goarshausen?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51C5410D.6070507@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/20/2013 11:32 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Arguably the worlds finest modern prog rock band Hmm, so "modern" now includes a band from the 90s. ;-) I like Glass Hammer and Imagin'Aria. Any prog bands that started more recently than 90s? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jun 22 06:28:12 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:28:12 -1000 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?=C3=84nglag=C3=A5rd_-_July_14th_-_Goarshausen?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51C543FC.70607@hawaii.rr.com> On 06/20/2013 11:32 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Arguably the worlds finest modern prog rock band Listening to this YouTube video. I like their music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLxOB-ZNuw -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Sat Jun 22 09:16:35 2013 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:16:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?=C4nglag=E5rd_-_July_14th_-_Goarshausen?= In-Reply-To: <51C5410D.6070507@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51C5410D.6070507@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <51C56B73.8020305@quirq.ukfsn.org> On 22/06/13 07:15, david wrote: > On 06/20/2013 11:32 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> Arguably the worlds finest modern prog rock band > > Hmm, so "modern" now includes a band from the 90s. ;-) > > I like Glass Hammer and Imagin'Aria. > > Any prog bands that started more recently than 90s? > They might have started in the 90s, but they released their third album only last year. Are Van der Graaf Generator not a modern band just because their first album is from 1969? They released an album last year, the year before that, three years before... ProgArchives lists 40 569 albums by 8022 artists and are by no means complete. So there must be thousands of current prog bands. There's no way to filter by start date, but I don't see that as any sort of omission. http://www.progarchives.com/bands-alpha.asp?letter=* From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Sat Jun 22 15:44:44 2013 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:44:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?=C4nglag=E5rd_-_July_14th_-_Goarshausen?= In-Reply-To: <51C543FC.70607@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51C543FC.70607@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <51C5C66C.4040407@quirq.ukfsn.org> On 22/06/13 07:28, david wrote: > Listening to this YouTube video. I like their music. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLxOB-ZNuw > It is a superb track. If pushed, it's probably my favourite and I don't think that's just because it was the first I heard and it totally blew my mind (still does, seven or more years later). It's the first track off their first album. Fortunately, their first two albums have been back in print for the past few years. There was a time when CDs would be on eBay for ?500 or more, let alone vinyl copies. The style of the second album is a little different and not just because it's totally instrumental (Jordr?k is the only instrumental track on Hybris). I think their latest album probably has more in common with Epilog than Hybris, but all three are great in my opinion. I was all geared up to see them last summer -- their first visit to the UK. Sadly they cancelled, the band having imploded yet again during the making of the third album. I guess I'd still like to see them live, but there's not quite the same compulsion now that half the original members have left (arguably three key members, the distinctive drummer/producer, main guitarist, keyboard player), even if one original member (who left between albums two and three) has rejoined. That said, I think I am maybe just a little envious of people going to see them. And that looks to be one up-side to the new line-up, they seem much more intent on gigging. Sadly, I'm not going anywhere (nor making any music, just to keep things on topic) for a while due to a motorcycling injury. If you're into studio porn, there's a great series of videos of the making of the third album, Viljans ?ga, on YouTube. Q From fons at linuxaudio.org Sat Jun 22 16:56:55 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:56:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] compile issues for zita-rev1 and jkmeter In-Reply-To: <20130621.151213.239099421.peter@peterlutek.com> References: <20130621.151213.239099421.peter@peterlutek.com> Message-ID: <20130622165655.GA700@linuxaudio.org> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 03:12:13PM -0400, Peter Lutek wrote: > i'm wondering if someone here would be willing to help me get these two programs compiled... > > i've compiled/installed clthreads and clxclient from source. (it's a 64bit system, so libs go to /usr/local/lib64) > > then, when trying to compile either zita-rev1 or jkmeter, i get complaints about not finding clthreads and clxclient. > > thanks for any help... please let me know what other clues might help! Try adding this to the Makefiles: LDFLAGS += -L$(PREFIX)/$(LIBDIR) Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From petecrighton at googlemail.com Sun Jun 23 13:46:51 2013 From: petecrighton at googlemail.com (Peter Crighton) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:46:51 +0200 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?=C3=84nglag=C3=A5rd_-_July_14th_-_Goarshausen?= In-Reply-To: <51C5410D.6070507@hawaii.rr.com> References: <51C5410D.6070507@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: 2013/6/22 david > On 06/20/2013 11:32 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > >> Arguably the worlds finest modern prog rock band >> > > Hmm, so "modern" now includes a band from the 90s. ;-) > > I like Glass Hammer and Imagin'Aria. > > Any prog bands that started more recently than 90s? Sure, there are lots, my favourite young band being District 97 (starting in 2006 and releasing their two albums so far in 2010 and 2012): http://lasersedge.bandcamp.com/album/trouble-with-machines For a more classic prog sound (? la Genesis) there are for example Agents of Mercy, formed in 2009, although the musicians are already auld acquaintances like Roine Stolt and Jonas Reingold from the Flower Kings. -- Peter Crighton | Musician & Music Engraver based in Mainz, Germany http://www.petercrighton.de -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(it's a 64bit system, so libs go to /usr/local/lib64) >> >> then, when trying to compile either zita-rev1 or jkmeter, i get complaints about not finding clthreads and clxclient. >> >> thanks for any help... please let me know what other clues might help! > > > Try adding this to the Makefiles: > > > LDFLAGS += -L$(PREFIX)/$(LIBDIR) ok... thanks, fons! that solved the compile problem. unfortunately, now when i run either program, i get: error while loading shared libraries: libclxclient.so.3: cannot open shared opject file: No such file or directory. hrmm.... thanks much for your help... cheers! .pltk. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Jun 24 08:01:50 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:01:50 +0200 Subject: [LAU] compile issues for zita-rev1 and jkmeter In-Reply-To: <20130623.204013.465740206.peter@peterlutek.com> References: <20130621.151213.239099421.peter@peterlutek.com> <20130622165655.GA700@linuxaudio.org> <20130623.204013.465740206.peter@peterlutek.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 02:40:13 +0200, Peter Lutek wrote: > From: Fons Adriaensen >> LDFLAGS += -L$(PREFIX)/$(LIBDIR) > > ok... thanks, fons! that solved the compile problem. unfortunately, now > when i run either program, i get: error while loading shared libraries: > libclxclient.so.3: cannot open shared opject file: No such file or > directory. The lib is there and running "ldconfig" didn't solve this? From mickski56 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 24 13:23:59 2013 From: mickski56 at hotmail.com (mickski) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [LAU] compile issues for zita-rev1 and jkmeter References: <20130621.151213.239099421.peter@peterlutek.com> <20130622165655.GA700@linuxaudio.org> <20130623.204013.465740206.peter@peterlutek.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:40:13 -0400, Peter Lutek wrote: > From: Fons Adriaensen > Subject: Re: [LAU] compile issues for zita-rev1 and jkmeter Date: Sat, > 22 Jun 2013 16:56:55 +0000 > >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 03:12:13PM -0400, Peter Lutek wrote: >> >>> i'm wondering if someone here would be willing to help me get these >>> two programs compiled... >>> >>> i've compiled/installed clthreads and clxclient from source. (it's a >>> 64bit system, so libs go to /usr/local/lib64) >>> >>> then, when trying to compile either zita-rev1 or jkmeter, i get >>> complaints about not finding clthreads and clxclient. >>> >>> thanks for any help... please let me know what other clues might help! >> >> >> Try adding this to the Makefiles: >> >> >> LDFLAGS += -L$(PREFIX)/$(LIBDIR) > > ok... thanks, fons! that solved the compile problem. unfortunately, now > when i run either program, i get: error while loading shared libraries: > libclxclient.so.3: cannot open shared opject file: No such file or > directory. > > hrmm.... > > thanks much for your help... cheers! > .pltk. Is this a slackware system ?, if so editing /etc/ld.so.conf to include / usr/local/lib64 & reruning ldconfig is helpfull. Are these the only libs you have in /usr/local/lib64 ? Hope this helps. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Jun 25 18:13:54 2013 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:13:54 -0700 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance In-Reply-To: <64f61e4ac98d20f21ae0178ce57382a2.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> References: <64f61e4ac98d20f21ae0178ce57382a2.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: <51C9DDE2.7040206@localhost> On 06/09/2013 07:16 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > > > On Sat, June 8, 2013 12:49 pm, James Stone wrote: >> I am struggling to get usable realtime performance<512 latency on my > Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in contrast > works >> fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one else is > reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing something > wrong. Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a > known problem >> that is being worked on by the kernel devs? > > It should not hurt to use the older kernel though, just run the 3.5. > Anyway, I have pointed out the patch to our kernel guy, so hopefully it > can appear in the 3.8 if you are running ubuntu 13.04. There should also > be a 3.9 or 3.10 pretty soon. Hi Len, Would you mind posting a url for the patch (or patches)? I'd like to incorporate them in the kernels I build... Thanks, -- Fernando From kvutter at frii.com Tue Jun 25 20:07:29 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:07:29 -0600 Subject: [LAU] setBfree Rotary Speaker sounds strange! Message-ID: <77304259-314B-455C-9E62-24402115C074@frii.com> Hi all! I'm writing again about this issue, and am attaching a link to a sample MP3 file from setBfree. There is a problem with the sound. The Rotary speaker sounds as if both rotors were small fan-type baffles in front of the speakers. There's almost no drum rotor at all, just stationary tone, and the horn rotor sounds a bit small with mostly straight sound. http://www.sendspace.com/file/3o7fyp The demo file begins with rotors off, then goes to slow, then fast, etc. There is a slight glitch in the recording, and the pitch of the recording itself is wrong for another reason, neither of which is setBfree's fault. I've tried the default settings, the default.cfg file that came with the package with the options set to read it, uncommented the whirl parameters as they were, and modifying some of them, but can't get much satisfaction. I didn't specify the zitaconvolver option in the make process, but the libzitaconvolver is there. I didn't supply any IR files yet, as I didn't think the convolver was in play, although the status at the top of the setBfree screen did mention IR I believe. Would the problem have anything to do with my system being 64-bit? Or did I make some other mistake in the install process? It definitely doesn't sound like the supplied demo. If more info is needed, please let me know. I'm not extremely experienced in making and installing, but I do try to follow instructions. Thanks for your help. Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Tue Jun 25 21:52:33 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] New music: shambleau Message-ID: Hello everyone! This is finally the last piece of the album Music For A New World. the album page will go up shortly and can be found from: http://juliencoder.de/nama I tried to mix the piece in the spirit of the other pieces from that time. I failed, but it might have been worse. :-) There were supposed to have been lyrics. Yet as I didn't finish them then, I can't complete them now, since I'm too far removed from that feeling. Here are the links: http://juliencoder.de/nama/shambleau.ogg http://juliencoder.de/nama/shambleau.mp3 The idea was spawned by the eponymous story by Cathrine Lucille Moore. And it - as all the other pieces from that album - was not only just another song, but a song to test teh capabilities of my - then newest - and most trusted tool of power: Nama. by now it is a home to me and a very good and welcoming home at that. So very belatedly it is time once more to say: thank you Joel! Thank you for the hard and continuous work you've put into Nama and still put into it! This is very much appreciated, not only by me. I'd be glad to accept any feedback as long as it is either nice and/or productive. :-) Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Jun 26 06:47:00 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:47:00 +0200 Subject: [LAU] setBfree Rotary Speaker sounds strange! In-Reply-To: <77304259-314B-455C-9E62-24402115C074@frii.com> References: <77304259-314B-455C-9E62-24402115C074@frii.com> Message-ID: <51CA8E64.7090709@autostatic.com> On 06/25/2013 10:07 PM, Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi all! I'm writing again about this issue, and am attaching a link to a sample MP3 file from setBfree. There is a problem with the sound. The Rotary speaker sounds as if both rotors were small fan-type baffles in front of the speakers. There's almost no drum rotor at all, just stationary tone, and the horn rotor sounds a bit small with mostly straight sound. > > http://www.sendspace.com/file/3o7fyp > > > The demo file begins with rotors off, then goes to slow, then fast, etc. There is a slight glitch in the recording, and the pitch of the recording itself is wrong for another reason, neither of which is setBfree's fault. > > I've tried the default settings, the default.cfg file that came with the package with the options set to read it, uncommented the whirl parameters as they were, and modifying some of them, but can't get much satisfaction. I didn't specify the zitaconvolver option in the make process, but the libzitaconvolver is there. I didn't supply any IR files yet, as I didn't think the convolver was in play, although the status at the top of the setBfree screen did mention IR I believe. Would the problem have anything to do with my system being 64-bit? Or did I make some other mistake in the install process? It definitely doesn't sound like the supplied demo. If more info is needed, please let me know. I'm not extremely experienced in making and installing, but I do try to follow instructions. Thanks for your help. > > Kevin Hello Kevin, You might want to report that issue here: https://github.com/pantherb/setBfree/issues Regards, Jeremy From tito.01beta at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 17:00:50 2013 From: tito.01beta at gmail.com (Tito Latini) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:00:50 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Incudine for the blacksmiths of the digital sound Message-ID: <20130626170050.GA1902@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it> Ciao I'm building a support for the blacksmiths of the digital sound, a heavy Incudine on which sounds can be hammered and shaped. :-) A work in progress but it is starting to be interesting. (warning - lisp inside) The page of the project is Tito Latini From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Jun 26 18:37:19 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:37:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] New/old album online Message-ID: Hello everyone! I've managed it. Music For A new World my first ever album, started with Nama is online and put together on one site. I checked all the links, but not all of the spelling. So if you find horrible mistakes, please let me know, if you liked it and have a quiet evil laugh and be silent, if you didn't. :-) You will notice, that the mixes might leave something or other to be desired and are rather lower in volume than my current songs. I didn't use limiting at the last stage in those days. Without further ado: http://juliencoder.de/nama/music Any feedback is welcome. Enjoy! Kindest regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From jamesmstone at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 07:55:10 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:55:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance In-Reply-To: <51C9DDE2.7040206@localhost> References: <64f61e4ac98d20f21ae0178ce57382a2.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> <51C9DDE2.7040206@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano < nando at ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote: > On 06/09/2013 07:16 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, June 8, 2013 12:49 pm, James Stone wrote: >> >>> I am struggling to get usable realtime performance<512 latency on my >>> >> Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in contrast >> works >> >>> fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one else is >>> >> reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing something >> wrong. Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a >> known problem >> >>> that is being worked on by the kernel devs? >>> >> >> It should not hurt to use the older kernel though, just run the 3.5. >> Anyway, I have pointed out the patch to our kernel guy, so hopefully it >> can appear in the 3.8 if you are running ubuntu 13.04. There should also >> be a 3.9 or 3.10 pretty soon. >> > > Hi Len, > Would you mind posting a url for the patch (or patches)? I'd like to > incorporate them in the kernels I build... > Thanks, > -- Fernando > The patch doesn't actually fix the problem on my system.. Staying on 3.5.. James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabbe.nord at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 09:20:52 2013 From: gabbe.nord at gmail.com (Gabbe Nord) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:20:52 +0200 Subject: [LAU] New/old album online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Julien! I will get back to you with more thoughts soon, haven't had time to listen to more than the title track, but that was really great! It's "glued together" in a fantastic way I think, it shows that you've spent a great deal of time making it all work together. I really appreciate that, especially in a long song like this. Lots and lots of changes, which never makes it boring, but instead enhances it. I was rather fond of the mixing as well, well balanced without being aggressive or weak in any way. Really good job! These will go on my MP3! :) I'll get back to you again as soon I've listened to the rest of it all, til then, take care! Cheers! On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello everyone! > I've managed it. Music For A new World my first ever album, started with > Nama is online and put together on one site. I checked all the links, but > not all of the spelling. So if you find horrible mistakes, please let me > know, if you liked it and have a quiet evil laugh and be silent, if you > didn't. :-) > You will notice, that the mixes might leave something or other to be > desired and are rather lower in volume than my current songs. I didn't use > limiting at the last stage in those days. > Without further ado: > http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music > Any feedback is welcome. Enjoy! > Kindest regards > Julien > > ------------------------------**---------- > http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Diego Simak wrote: > 2013/6/27 Fero Kiraly : > > Hi people, > > > > how I can controll the parametres of LV2 or LADSPA plugins with OSC ? > > many thanks, for advice. > > > > fero > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > you have several ways to do this: > > - one that I've used is to use Carla hosting the desired plugin > just look in the Help->About tab and you will find the OSC URL and the > valid commands that you will be able to send > > - other option is to send OSC messages to jack dssi host for DSSI plugins > > - NON Mixer is able to host LADSPA plugins and you can control them > using NON timeline through OSC and CV messages > > - I think that aother option is to use Ingen but I never tried it > > hth > Diego > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1191603 and: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1185563 Do you have any thoughts? Is this a problem with alsa/jack (as seems to be being implied) or with the kernel? James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Jun 28 13:52:04 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:52:04 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> On 06/19/2013 03:39 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/19/2013 12:08 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my >> Pandaboard >> with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? > > Ok, got Jack1 running. Recompiled the kernel without debugging and > disabled WiFi. I now see I can also tweak the IRQ threads, nice. > > Jeremy Just an update. Getting things stable is quite some work actually but I'm slowly getting there. I've stripped the kernel config a bit further and have a good starting point now. Some findings: * RT patch doesn't apply cleanly. I've hacked my way through it but can't get it to compile. * I've tried using threadirqs but then the stick wouldn't boot (couldn't find any rootfs to load from MMC). Applied this patch: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg08062.html Then I get threaded IRQs but it's not much of an improvement, the USB IRQ that has the WiFi connected to it consumes a lot of CPU and I can't get JACK to run stable. I did try prioritizing IRQs with rtirq but it didn't make any difference, the board seems to run better without threaded IRQs. * Tried dwc_otg.speed=1 as a kernel parameter, no improvement. * This thing doesn't have serial console access, I've tried all possible pads, vias and pins but no joy :( I did manage to solder a button on the board that allows me to directly boot into flash mode which is already quite convenient. * No ethernet access, only WiFi. But enabling WiFi means JACK won't run properly. Also tried an external USB dongle, same problems basically. * So I have to work using the HDMI connection and a keyboard. Had to disable blanking otherwise JACK would crash. Well, that last example sums it all up I guess, this board isn't really made for doing real-time audio. Unless people prove me wrong, I'd love to hear what other people's experiences are. Any tips, ideas, suggestions? I'm now glazing at amsynth 1.4.0 running headless while JACK occasionally spits out 'delay of .... usecs exceeds estimated spare time of .....; restart ...' messages and that with jackd -P84 -p32 -t2000 -dalsa -n3 -p128 -s I HAVE to use the ALSA -s (softmode) option otherwise the whole USB stack locks up. Pffff, maybe I should buy a board that does work, like the pcDuino or BeagleBone Black. Regards, Jeremy From allcoms at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 14:38:51 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:38:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the update Jeremy but according to a user on jack-devel, JACK is having probs running on the BBB too. I may try J1 on my Pandaboard too but it'd be just out of curiosity to see if it does work. The lack of ARM/NEON optimization in the LA stack currently means I can't realistically use the Panda for what I like to do with Linux audio. Wheezy is otherwise rock solid on it. I had to power it down yesterday when we were doing some work on the house and it had an uptime of 18.5 days. No great feat but I'm sure it would've been up for much longer if given the chance. If I was real gung-ho about JACK on ARM I'd prob consider one of the Chromebooks - gone are the days when dev boards are the only option for those wanting a modern ARM Linux machine. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/19/2013 03:39 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > >> On 06/19/2013 12:08 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >> >>> That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my >>> Pandaboard >>> with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? >>> >> >> Ok, got Jack1 running. Recompiled the kernel without debugging and >> disabled WiFi. I now see I can also tweak the IRQ threads, nice. >> >> Jeremy >> > > Just an update. Getting things stable is quite some work actually but I'm > slowly getting there. I've stripped the kernel config a bit further and > have a good starting point now. Some findings: > * RT patch doesn't apply cleanly. I've hacked my way through it but can't > get it to compile. > * I've tried using threadirqs but then the stick wouldn't boot (couldn't > find any rootfs to load from MMC). Applied this patch: > http://www.spinics.net/lists/**linux-rt-users/msg08062.html > Then I get threaded IRQs but it's not much of an improvement, the USB IRQ > that has the WiFi connected to it consumes a lot of CPU and I can't get > JACK to run stable. I did try prioritizing IRQs with rtirq but it didn't > make any difference, the board seems to run better without threaded IRQs. > * Tried dwc_otg.speed=1 as a kernel parameter, no improvement. > * This thing doesn't have serial console access, I've tried all possible > pads, vias and pins but no joy :( I did manage to solder a button on the > board that allows me to directly boot into flash mode which is already > quite convenient. > * No ethernet access, only WiFi. But enabling WiFi means JACK won't run > properly. Also tried an external USB dongle, same problems basically. > * So I have to work using the HDMI connection and a keyboard. Had to > disable blanking otherwise JACK would crash. > > Well, that last example sums it all up I guess, this board isn't really > made for doing real-time audio. Unless people prove me wrong, I'd love to > hear what other people's experiences are. Any tips, ideas, suggestions? I'm > now glazing at amsynth 1.4.0 running headless while JACK occasionally spits > out 'delay of .... usecs exceeds estimated spare time of .....; restart > ...' messages and that with jackd -P84 -p32 -t2000 -dalsa -n3 -p128 -s > I HAVE to use the ALSA -s (softmode) option otherwise the whole USB stack > locks up. Pffff, maybe I should buy a board that does work, like the > pcDuino or BeagleBone Black. > > Regards, > > > Jeremy > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allcoms at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 15:02:19 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:02:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New/old album online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats on the release Julien! I listened to it in full a couple of days ago and really enjoyed it. I'd imagine its the first full album recorded under nama, unless we count your previous recordings, is it? I can't manage even a short comment without at least one vague comparison and in the case of this album, the opening track reminded me of 'The Ikon' off the first Utopia album in its feel and duration. You like? There are a few strong tracks on it, I'd need to listen again to give any detail but Mr Marple seems to be the closest to a 'single' ie it has the most instant appeal for me although I've never seen the show you say it derives from it reminds me of Booker T. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello everyone! > I've managed it. Music For A new World my first ever album, started with > Nama is online and put together on one site. I checked all the links, but > not all of the spelling. So if you find horrible mistakes, please let me > know, if you liked it and have a quiet evil laugh and be silent, if you > didn't. :-) > You will notice, that the mixes might leave something or other to be > desired and are rather lower in volume than my current songs. I didn't use > limiting at the last stage in those days. > Without further ado: > http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music > Any feedback is welcome. Enjoy! > Kindest regards > Julien > > ------------------------------**---------- > http://juliencoder.de/nama/**music.html > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Fri Jun 28 15:16:15 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] New/old album online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Dan! It was my start in Nama. Except Shambleau the tracks were all mixed at the time, i.e. 2010 or there about. Certainly A year starting now and Soit-il la Vie are very much later works. I don't know the references you mentioned, but I'll look up Ikon. But I wonder: have you never seen a Miss Marple movie on TV? Even I came across those and I almost never watch TV. Well thanks for the feedback, it's good to know, that there's even more good reason for me to upload those things, than just my satisfaction in recording and mixing. :-) Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jun 28 17:23:08 2013 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:23:08 -0700 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance In-Reply-To: References: <51B44515.2020101@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <51CDC67C.4030105@localhost> On 06/27/2013 04:24 PM, James Stone wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Clemens Ladisch > wrote: > > James Stone wrote: > > I am struggling to get usable realtime performance <512 latency on my > > Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in contrast works > > fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one else is > > reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing something wrong. > > Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a known problem > > that is being worked on by the kernel devs? > > You have to wait for the next stable kernel: > > > Hi Clemens (and everyone else), > > This didn't fix the bug. See: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1191603 > > and: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1185563 > > Do you have any thoughts? Is this a problem with alsa/jack (as seems to > be being implied) or with the kernel? I'm building a kernel with the fix that's here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1136110 It seems that it fixes the problem. -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jun 28 18:49:56 2013 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:49:56 -0700 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance In-Reply-To: <51CDC67C.4030105@localhost> References: <51B44515.2020101@ladisch.de> <51CDC67C.4030105@localhost> Message-ID: <51CDDAD4.9010504@localhost> On 06/28/2013 10:23 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On 06/27/2013 04:24 PM, James Stone wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Clemens Ladisch > > wrote: >> >> James Stone wrote: >> > I am struggling to get usable realtime performance <512 latency >> on my >> > Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in >> contrast works >> > fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one >> else is >> > reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing >> something wrong. >> > Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a >> known problem >> > that is being worked on by the kernel devs? >> >> You have to wait for the next stable kernel: >> >> >> Hi Clemens (and everyone else), >> >> This didn't fix the bug. See: >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1191603 >> >> and: >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1185563 >> >> Do you have any thoughts? Is this a problem with alsa/jack (as seems to >> be being implied) or with the kernel? > > I'm building a kernel with the fix that's here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1136110 > It seems that it fixes the problem. I can get 128x3 with no problems or glitches on an VSL181 USB2 interface. Anything lower does not work but this is perfectly usable (in a short test). -- Fernando From jamesmstone at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 21:02:15 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:02:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 3.8 vs. 3.5 for realtime USB performance In-Reply-To: <51CDDAD4.9010504@localhost> References: <51B44515.2020101@ladisch.de> <51CDC67C.4030105@localhost> <51CDDAD4.9010504@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano < nando at ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote: > On 06/28/2013 10:23 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > >> On 06/27/2013 04:24 PM, James Stone wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Clemens Ladisch >> > wrote: >>> >>> James Stone wrote: >>> > I am struggling to get usable realtime performance <512 latency >>> on my >>> > Ubuntu Studio "low latency" kernels 3.8... The 3.5 kernel in >>> contrast works >>> > fine. I put a bugreport in with Ubuntu, but it seems like no-one >>> else is >>> > reporting the same problem. Makes me wonder if I am doing >>> something wrong. >>> > Is there anything additional I should be trying, or is this a >>> known problem >>> > that is being worked on by the kernel devs? >>> >>> You have to wait for the next stable kernel: >>> >>> > >>> >>> Hi Clemens (and everyone else), >>> >>> This didn't fix the bug. See: >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/**ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/**1191603 >>> >>> and: >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/**ubuntu/+source/linux-** >>> lowlatency/+bug/1185563 >>> >>> Do you have any thoughts? Is this a problem with alsa/jack (as seems to >>> be being implied) or with the kernel? >>> >> >> I'm building a kernel with the fix that's here: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/**ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/**1136110 >> It seems that it fixes the problem. >> > > I can get 128x3 with no problems or glitches on an VSL181 USB2 interface. > Anything lower does not work but this is perfectly usable (in a short test). > > -- Fernando > Hmm.. not tried that patch, but I tried the reverted kernel - which is the fix they are pushing for that bug, and it doesn't help. James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Jun 29 00:58:19 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:58:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> References: <62342.89.47.0.197.1368688148.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <65215.188.26.169.14.1372467499.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Fri, June 28, 2013 11:52 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/19/2013 03:39 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> On 06/19/2013 12:08 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >>> That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my >>> Pandaboard >>> with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? >> >> Ok, got Jack1 running. Recompiled the kernel without debugging and >> disabled WiFi. I now see I can also tweak the IRQ threads, nice. >> >> Jeremy > > Just an update. Getting things stable is quite some work actually but > I'm slowly getting there. I've stripped the kernel config a bit further > and have a good starting point now. Some findings: > * RT patch doesn't apply cleanly. I've hacked my way through it but > can't get it to compile. What are the error messages? > * I've tried using threadirqs but then the stick wouldn't boot (couldn't > find any rootfs to load from MMC). Applied this patch: > http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg08062.html > Then I get threaded IRQs but it's not much of an improvement, the USB > IRQ that has the WiFi connected to it consumes a lot of CPU and I can't > get JACK to run stable. I did try prioritizing IRQs with rtirq but it > didn't make any difference, the board seems to run better without > threaded IRQs. > * Tried dwc_otg.speed=1 as a kernel parameter, no improvement. > * This thing doesn't have serial console access, I've tried all possible > pads, vias and pins but no joy :( I did manage to solder a button on the > board that allows me to directly boot into flash mode which is already > quite convenient. > * No ethernet access, only WiFi. But enabling WiFi means JACK won't run > properly. Also tried an external USB dongle, same problems basically. What is the wifi chipset? > * So I have to work using the HDMI connection and a keyboard. Had to > disable blanking otherwise JACK would crash. > > Well, that last example sums it all up I guess, this board isn't really > made for doing real-time audio. Unless people prove me wrong, I'd love > to hear what other people's experiences are. Any tips, ideas, > suggestions? I'm now glazing at amsynth 1.4.0 running headless while > JACK occasionally spits out 'delay of .... usecs exceeds estimated spare > time of .....; restart ...' messages and that with jackd -P84 -p32 > -t2000 -dalsa -n3 -p128 -s What happens at higher period values and if you disable duplex mode? > I HAVE to use the ALSA -s (softmode) option otherwise the whole USB > stack locks up. Pffff, maybe I should buy a board that does work, like > the pcDuino or BeagleBone Black. > > Regards, > > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From jeremy at autostatic.com Sat Jun 29 12:23:42 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:23:42 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <65215.188.26.169.14.1372467499.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> <65215.188.26.169.14.1372467499.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <51CED1CE.6090406@autostatic.com> On 06/29/2013 02:58 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > On Fri, June 28, 2013 11:52 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> On 06/19/2013 03:39 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >>> On 06/19/2013 12:08 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >>>> That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my >>>> Pandaboard >>>> with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? >>> >>> Ok, got Jack1 running. Recompiled the kernel without debugging and >>> disabled WiFi. I now see I can also tweak the IRQ threads, nice. >>> >>> Jeremy >> >> Just an update. Getting things stable is quite some work actually but >> I'm slowly getting there. I've stripped the kernel config a bit further >> and have a good starting point now. Some findings: >> * RT patch doesn't apply cleanly. I've hacked my way through it but >> can't get it to compile. > > What are the error messages? > An undefined reference to printascii in some RockChip related driver: drivers/built-in.o: In function `dbg': mtk_wcn_cmb_stub_rockchip.c:(.text+0x3a598): undefined reference to `printascii' make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 > >> * I've tried using threadirqs but then the stick wouldn't boot (couldn't >> find any rootfs to load from MMC). Applied this patch: >> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg08062.html >> Then I get threaded IRQs but it's not much of an improvement, the USB >> IRQ that has the WiFi connected to it consumes a lot of CPU and I can't >> get JACK to run stable. I did try prioritizing IRQs with rtirq but it >> didn't make any difference, the board seems to run better without >> threaded IRQs. >> * Tried dwc_otg.speed=1 as a kernel parameter, no improvement. >> * This thing doesn't have serial console access, I've tried all possible >> pads, vias and pins but no joy :( I did manage to solder a button on the >> board that allows me to directly boot into flash mode which is already >> quite convenient. >> * No ethernet access, only WiFi. But enabling WiFi means JACK won't run >> properly. Also tried an external USB dongle, same problems basically. > > What is the wifi chipset? > Of the rk3066 based device? Realtek 8188eu. The dongle is using a Ralink rt53xx chipset. > >> * So I have to work using the HDMI connection and a keyboard. Had to >> disable blanking otherwise JACK would crash. >> >> Well, that last example sums it all up I guess, this board isn't really >> made for doing real-time audio. Unless people prove me wrong, I'd love >> to hear what other people's experiences are. Any tips, ideas, >> suggestions? I'm now glazing at amsynth 1.4.0 running headless while >> JACK occasionally spits out 'delay of .... usecs exceeds estimated spare >> time of .....; restart ...' messages and that with jackd -P84 -p32 >> -t2000 -dalsa -n3 -p128 -s > > What happens at higher period values and if you disable duplex mode? > I could test that but haven't done so yet because my goal is to have JACK running with -p64 and full duplex. JACK runs stable at -p128 but then the audio output is distorted and can't fix it with resetting the JACK buffersize (this 'trick' works with the RPi though). So far I'm getting the idea that at least the RK3066 based board I have is unusable for my purpose. And I have a feeling it won't be much better with a RK3188 based board. Regards, Jeremy > > >> I HAVE to use the ALSA -s (softmode) option otherwise the whole USB >> stack locks up. Pffff, maybe I should buy a board that does work, like >> the pcDuino or BeagleBone Black. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeremy >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From jeremy at autostatic.com Sat Jun 29 12:30:59 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:30:59 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51CED383.2020802@autostatic.com> On 06/28/2013 04:38 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Thanks for the update Jeremy but according to a user on jack-devel, JACK is > having probs running on the BBB too. > Hi Dan, Yes but only after a few hours. He also doesn't need to set the ALSA softmode option which gives me reasons to assume the USB implentation is lot better on this board. I think I'm going to order one. > I may try J1 on my Pandaboard too but it'd be just out of curiosity to see > if it does work. The lack of ARM/NEON optimization in the LA stack > currently means I can't realistically use the Panda for what I like to do > with Linux audio. What doe you mean by 'LA stack'? Linux Audio? The software I'd like to use, guitarix, does have ARM/NEON optimization. Wheezy is otherwise rock solid on it. I had to power it > down yesterday when we were doing some work on the house and it had an > uptime of 18.5 days. No great feat but I'm sure it would've been up for > much longer if given the chance. > > If I was real gung-ho about JACK on ARM I'd prob consider one of the > Chromebooks - gone are the days when dev boards are the only option for > those wanting a modern ARM Linux machine. > I can't fit a chromebook in a Hammond/Eddystone casing so for me it's no option. Regards, Jeremy From allcoms at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 13:05:08 2013 From: allcoms at gmail.com (Dan MacDonald) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:05:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51CED383.2020802@autostatic.com> References: <62425.89.47.0.197.1368688350.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> <51CED383.2020802@autostatic.com> Message-ID: I didn't know guitarix had NEON optimizations - cool! 'LA Stack' to me = most well known / popular Linux audio apps. I'd like to see JACK, Ardour, qtractor, libsamplerate and Noizemaker get NEON support eventually. I think fftw and ffmpeg have some neon support. Do you know of any other end user Linux audio apps except guitarix w/ NEON support J? On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/28/2013 04:38 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > >> Thanks for the update Jeremy but according to a user on jack-devel, JACK >> is >> having probs running on the BBB too. >> >> > Hi Dan, > > Yes but only after a few hours. He also doesn't need to set the ALSA > softmode option which gives me reasons to assume the USB implentation is > lot better on this board. I think I'm going to order one. > > > I may try J1 on my Pandaboard too but it'd be just out of curiosity to see >> if it does work. The lack of ARM/NEON optimization in the LA stack >> currently means I can't realistically use the Panda for what I like to do >> with Linux audio. >> > > What doe you mean by 'LA stack'? Linux Audio? The software I'd like to > use, guitarix, does have ARM/NEON optimization. > > > Wheezy is otherwise rock solid on it. I had to power it > >> down yesterday when we were doing some work on the house and it had an >> uptime of 18.5 days. No great feat but I'm sure it would've been up for >> much longer if given the chance. >> >> If I was real gung-ho about JACK on ARM I'd prob consider one of the >> Chromebooks - gone are the days when dev boards are the only option for >> those wanting a modern ARM Linux machine. >> >> > I can't fit a chromebook in a Hammond/Eddystone casing so for me it's no > option. > > > Regards, > > Jeremy > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I set sample-rate to 11000 will ordinary speech be spoilt? What about 5500? Basically I have an i5 laptop but it starts making a racket if its driven too much. So trying to run it cool -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lau at kudla.org Sat Jun 29 19:39:23 2013 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 15:39:23 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Some ffmpeg/avconv questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51CF37EB.6000006@kudla.org> On 2013-06-29 13:22, Rustom Mody wrote: > If I set sample-rate to 11000 will ordinary speech be spoilt? What about 5500? 11000 ought to be fine, as most speech-specific applications I've seen default to 8000. 5500? Not sure. If your voice is low, it should still be fine, maybe a bit muffled. But in the late '90s, when I was at a company looking at an early VOIP PBX, we turned them down when the CEO and his wife tried to have a conversation on their demo equipment and it bandpassed her very high, squeaky voice right out of existence. So it's definitely possible to go too low, though I can't imagine her voice was entirely over 2750Hz. Should be pretty easy to test before doing any real recordings. Rob From burkhard at sportident.de Sat Jun 29 21:20:51 2013 From: burkhard at sportident.de (Burkhard Ritter) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 15:20:51 -0600 Subject: [LAU] OSC & plugins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > ardour allows full OSC control of all plugin parameters. Any pointers on how to do that? I've managed to control volume, mute and so on with TouchOSC and a small python script, however it's not clear to me how to control plugin parameters. What is the OSC path? I've looked at the Ardour OSC page [1], but it does not seem to be on there. Cheers, Burkhard [1] https://community.ardour.org/osc_control > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Diego Simak wrote: >> >> 2013/6/27 Fero Kiraly : >> > Hi people, >> > >> > how I can controll the parametres of LV2 or LADSPA plugins with OSC ? >> > many thanks, for advice. >> > >> > fero >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Linux-audio-user mailing list >> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > >> >> you have several ways to do this: >> >> - one that I've used is to use Carla hosting the desired plugin >> just look in the Help->About tab and you will find the OSC URL and the >> valid commands that you will be able to send >> >> - other option is to send OSC messages to jack dssi host for DSSI plugins >> >> - NON Mixer is able to host LADSPA plugins and you can control them >> using NON timeline through OSC and CV messages >> >> - I think that aother option is to use Ingen but I never tried it >> >> hth >> Diego >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Jun 29 21:57:31 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 07:57:31 +1000 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51CED1CE.6090406@autostatic.com> References: <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> <65215.188.26.169.14.1372467499.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <51CED1CE.6090406@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <57008.188.26.169.14.1372543051.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Sat, June 29, 2013 10:23 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/29/2013 02:58 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> >> On Fri, June 28, 2013 11:52 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >>> On 06/19/2013 03:39 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >>>> On 06/19/2013 12:08 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: >>>>> That's what I expected, seeing how little success I've had on my >>>>> Pandaboard >>>>> with J2 git. Have you tried J1 too? >>>> >>>> Ok, got Jack1 running. Recompiled the kernel without debugging and >>>> disabled WiFi. I now see I can also tweak the IRQ threads, nice. >>>> >>>> Jeremy >>> >>> Just an update. Getting things stable is quite some work actually but >>> I'm slowly getting there. I've stripped the kernel config a bit further >>> and have a good starting point now. Some findings: >>> * RT patch doesn't apply cleanly. I've hacked my way through it but >>> can't get it to compile. >> >> What are the error messages? >> > > An undefined reference to printascii in some RockChip related driver: > > drivers/built-in.o: In function `dbg': > mtk_wcn_cmb_stub_rockchip.c:(.text+0x3a598): undefined reference to > `printascii' > make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 > According to this thread it's an ARM specific debug method. http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg19006.html Someone here might be able to help if you pastebin the revised patch >> >>> * I've tried using threadirqs but then the stick wouldn't boot >>> (couldn't >>> find any rootfs to load from MMC). Applied this patch: >>> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-rt-users/msg08062.html >>> Then I get threaded IRQs but it's not much of an improvement, the USB >>> IRQ that has the WiFi connected to it consumes a lot of CPU and I can't >>> get JACK to run stable. I did try prioritizing IRQs with rtirq but it >>> didn't make any difference, the board seems to run better without >>> threaded IRQs. >>> * Tried dwc_otg.speed=1 as a kernel parameter, no improvement. >>> * This thing doesn't have serial console access, I've tried all >>> possible >>> pads, vias and pins but no joy :( I did manage to solder a button on >>> the >>> board that allows me to directly boot into flash mode which is already >>> quite convenient. >>> * No ethernet access, only WiFi. But enabling WiFi means JACK won't run >>> properly. Also tried an external USB dongle, same problems basically. >> >> What is the wifi chipset? >> > > Of the rk3066 based device? Realtek 8188eu. The dongle is using a Ralink > rt53xx chipset. > When does the CPU load from the wifi devices start to spike? When you enable the wifi driver After you ifup the NIC While you have a remote connection Did you test the bandwidth to confirm that the config dwc_otg.speed=1 was reducing the throughput to 12Mb/s Did you also try: dwc_otg.fiq_fix_enable=0/1 >> >>> * So I have to work using the HDMI connection and a keyboard. Had to >>> disable blanking otherwise JACK would crash. >>> >>> Well, that last example sums it all up I guess, this board isn't really >>> made for doing real-time audio. Unless people prove me wrong, I'd love >>> to hear what other people's experiences are. Any tips, ideas, >>> suggestions? I'm now glazing at amsynth 1.4.0 running headless while >>> JACK occasionally spits out 'delay of .... usecs exceeds estimated >>> spare >>> time of .....; restart ...' messages and that with jackd -P84 -p32 >>> -t2000 -dalsa -n3 -p128 -s >> >> What happens at higher period values and if you disable duplex mode? >> > > I could test that but haven't done so yet because my goal is to have > JACK running with -p64 and full duplex. JACK runs stable at -p128 but > then the audio output is distorted and can't fix it with resetting the > JACK buffersize (this 'trick' works with the RPi though). So far I'm > getting the idea that at least the RK3066 based board I have is unusable > for my purpose. And I have a feeling it won't be much better with a > RK3188 based board. > I think it is early days yet. It took a couple of years to get the maudio quattro USB to play nice. It turned out it was using LE on the output and BE on the input. Just for reference sake, if you try it with just -P enabled does it perform any better? > Regards, > > Jeremy > >> >> >>> I HAVE to use the ALSA -s (softmode) option otherwise the whole USB >>> stack locks up. Pffff, maybe I should buy a board that does work, like >>> the pcDuino or BeagleBone Black. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jeremy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >>> >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Shirkey >> Boost Hardware Ltd >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From rustompmody at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 04:44:30 2013 From: rustompmody at gmail.com (Rustom Mody) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:14:30 +0530 Subject: [LAU] Some ffmpeg/avconv questions In-Reply-To: <51CF37EB.6000006@kudla.org> References: <51CF37EB.6000006@kudla.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Rob wrote: > On 2013-06-29 13:22, Rustom Mody wrote: > > If I set sample-rate to 11000 will ordinary speech be spoilt? What about > 5500? > > 11000 ought to be fine, as most speech-specific applications I've seen > default to 8000. > Thanks this is the kind of data I was looking for! I just assumed that if the number used is not a multiple of what would be a later standarized rate like 44100, then some kind of 'jitter' (dunno the correct technical word) would appear on resampling. However since 48000 is a standard, 8000 for capture should be fine I guess?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brummer- at web.de Sun Jun 30 05:49:10 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 07:49:10 +0200 Subject: [LAU] a little UI for jalv Message-ID: <51CFC6D6.6030001@web.de> During develop my LV2 plugs I mainly use jalv as lv2 host to test/check my plugs. I try the different jalv versions, (jalv.gtk, jalv.qt, jalv.gtkmm, . . . ) to verify that there isn't any problem. So I found myself using the up/down keys and edit,copy and paste parts of the command line, in the terminal, a way to often. That's why I made a little python (gtk) script which allow my to select the jalv interpreter to use and select the plug(s) to run, from a list. It can use a regex to grep a preselected selection, for a shorter list. However, maybe one of you have a use for it as well, so I've pushed it to github. https://github.com/brummer10/jalv_select greets hermann From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 06:42:45 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 07:42:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Latency and jack parameters clarification Message-ID: In trying to get support with this usb problem in kernel 3.8: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1191603 I have been asked to provide info on what the period size in jack is and how the round trip latency is calculated. The dev can't see how with a 1ms latency (which is what jack is using with a period size of 256 samples) the round trip latency is around 10ms. I have quoted bits of the jack manual page but he doesn't find this helpful and I have now reached the limits of my understanding of the matter and can't find any more detailed descriptions on the web. It would be great if someone with a more in-depth understanding could help out here! James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 07:19:50 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:19:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Latency and jack parameters clarification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 7:42 AM, James Stone wrote: In trying to get support with this usb problem in kernel 3.8: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1191603 > > I have been asked to provide info on what the period size in jack is and > how the round trip latency is calculated. > > The dev can't see how with a 1ms latency (which is what jack is using with > a period size of 256 samples) the round trip latency is around 10ms. > > I have quoted bits of the jack manual page but he doesn't find this > helpful and I have now reached the limits of my understanding of the matter > and can't find any more detailed descriptions on the web. > > It would be great if someone with a more in-depth understanding could help > out here! > Actually, re-reading his reply, I think he has worked most of it out, and the main problem was me not providing enough info.. But now it seems to have got down to how jack actually communicates with the usb driver.. Seems to me it must be a kernel-side problem because it works on 3.5 - but apparently the code for 3.5 was not doing it the "right way".. He writes: "The usbmon trace for 3.5 shows that the audio driver was really using the equivalent of 5.5 frames/period and 8 periods/buffer. This means the actual latency (as far as the kernel is concerned) was 5.5 / 44100 = 0.125 ms, as I mentioned earlier. The usbmon trace for 3.8 shows that the audio driver was really using the equivalent of 11 frames/period and 8 periods/buffer, for a latency of 11 / 44100 = 0.25 ms." James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at linuxaudio.org Sun Jun 30 12:21:00 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 12:21:00 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Some ffmpeg/avconv questions In-Reply-To: References: <51CF37EB.6000006@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20130630122100.GA7740@linuxaudio.org> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:14:30AM +0530, Rustom Mody wrote: > I just assumed that if the number used is not a multiple of what would be a > later standarized rate like 44100, then some kind of 'jitter' (dunno the > correct technical word) would appear on resampling. No. Resampling doesn't in any way depend on having an integer ratio. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From rustompmody at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 14:46:39 2013 From: rustompmody at gmail.com (Rustom Mody) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:16:39 +0530 Subject: [LAU] Some ffmpeg/avconv questions In-Reply-To: <20130630122100.GA7740@linuxaudio.org> References: <51CF37EB.6000006@kudla.org> <20130630122100.GA7740@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:14:30AM +0530, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > I just assumed that if the number used is not a multiple of what would > be a > > later standarized rate like 44100, then some kind of 'jitter' (dunno the > > correct technical word) would appear on resampling. > > No. Resampling doesn't in any way depend on having an > integer ratio. > > Ciao, > > [OT] Trying to figure out what happens when I set the sample rate very low. Put it to 500 and avconv crashed! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 18:37:58 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:37:58 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Some ffmpeg/avconv questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51D07B06.7030806@gmail.com> On 29/06/13 19:22, Rustom Mody wrote: > Ive been trying to capture some screencasts of talks mine with avconv. > > many sites seem to recommend using > -vpre lossless_ultrafast > > From the pov of the machine does this consume more CPU or less? > > If I set sample-rate to 11000 will ordinary speech be spoilt? What about > 5500? I don't think the audio sample rate will have a great impact on CPU consumption, actually using your sound card's 'native' sample rate might save a bit of cpu (if it's a laptop I guess it might be 48k?) I think what's going to impact most on the cpu is the video framerate... Many tutorials suggest using 30 fps, but for a screencast 20 or even 15 might be enough. My two cents. Lorenzo. > > Basically I have an i5 laptop but it starts making a racket if its > driven too much. > So trying to run it cool > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Jun 30 18:59:31 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:59:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: References: <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> <51CED383.2020802@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <51D08013.8090601@autostatic.com> On 06/29/2013 03:05 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > I didn't know guitarix had NEON optimizations - cool! > > 'LA Stack' to me = most well known / popular Linux audio apps. I'd like to > see JACK, Ardour, qtractor, libsamplerate and Noizemaker get NEON support > eventually. > > I think fftw and ffmpeg have some neon support. Do you know of any other > end user Linux audio apps except guitarix w/ NEON support J? No. I think you can get more optimized code with the right build flags though. Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Jun 30 19:10:18 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:10:18 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <57008.188.26.169.14.1372543051.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> <65215.188.26.169.14.1372467499.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <51CED1CE.6090406@autostatic.com> <57008.188.26.169.14.1372543051.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <51D0829A.7050908@autostatic.com> On 06/29/2013 11:57 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > According to this thread it's an ARM specific debug method. > > http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg19006.html > > Someone here might be able to help if you pastebin the revised patch > Thanks. Thought so too so it might be relatively easy to fix. > When does the CPU load from the wifi devices start to spike? > > When you enable the wifi driver > After you ifup the NIC > While you have a remote connection > Have to check, iirc as soon as I enable it. > Did you test the bandwidth to confirm that the config dwc_otg.speed=1 was > reducing the throughput to 12Mb/s > No I didn't, I'll check this too. > Did you also try: dwc_otg.fiq_fix_enable=0/1 > The dwc_otg driver in the RK3066 kernel source doesn't have this parameter. > I think it is early days yet. It took a couple of years to get the maudio > quattro USB to play nice. It turned out it was using LE on the output and > BE on the input. > > Just for reference sake, if you try it with just -P enabled does it > perform any better? > Will do. I'll report back with the results. Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Jun 30 19:17:28 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:17:28 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <57008.188.26.169.14.1372543051.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> <65215.188.26.169.14.1372467499.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <51CED1CE.6090406@autostatic.com> <57008.188.26.169.14.1372543051.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <51D08448.9060004@autostatic.com> On 06/29/2013 11:57 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > According to this thread it's an ARM specific debug method. > > http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg19006.html > > Someone here might be able to help if you pastebin the revised patch Then I have to clean up first and diff the whole source with a clean source. Made a bit of a mess out of it so this could take some time. And with 'here' you mean this list? The last lists I will ever post on will be kernel dev lists, I'm just a mere user you know ;) Jeremy From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Jun 30 19:22:39 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 05:22:39 +1000 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Google TV device w/ AV out In-Reply-To: <51D08448.9060004@autostatic.com> References: <5194EBA0.6060204@kudla.org> <1368767257692-85191.post@n7.nabble.com> <51A27F1F.8010304@autostatic.com> <51A35F6F.3050807@autostatic.com> <51B9B2AC.7090807@autostatic.com> <51BEF851.80306@autostatic.com> <51C02CD7.6050000@autostatic.com> <51C1B49D.8060500@autostatic.com> <51CD9504.8080201@autostatic.com> <65215.188.26.169.14.1372467499.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <51CED1CE.6090406@autostatic.com> <57008.188.26.169.14.1372543051.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <51D08448.9060004@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <50772.188.26.169.14.1372620159.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Mon, July 1, 2013 5:17 am, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 06/29/2013 11:57 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> According to this thread it's an ARM specific debug method. >> >> http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg19006.html >> >> Someone here might be able to help if you pastebin the revised patch > > Then I have to clean up first and diff the whole source with a clean > source. Made a bit of a mess out of it so this could take some time. It may not be necessary. Just put the entire build into a tarball and point out the location that that code fails. > And > with 'here' you mean this list? The last lists I will ever post on will > be kernel dev lists, I'm just a mere user you know ;) > I'm sure that people on this list will be able to offer some advices. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd