From rustys.lists at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 03:35:53 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:35:53 -0700 Subject: [LAU] WARNING Replay gain exceeds the -51 to +51 DB range Message-ID: So, I'm getting this error on one of 10 songs which I'm attempting to mix down from nama. It is not a particularly busy or loud song. I think it's actually probbly quieter than some of the others. Any thoughts? What can I try? I'm assuming it's lame that's giving this error when it tries to make an mp3. Thanks! Rusty From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Fri Nov 1 08:48:13 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 21:48:13 +1300 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131101084813.GF5993@tal> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:24:41PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hopefully he is mistaken. Today I try to work for child care, making > music, drawing etc.. Nobody who dislike it, should care for children. > However, I fear ... and I really fear it ... your father is right. Have you heard of the term: "Dream Job"? That is where you get paid for something you love doing. I wonder if the original statement has been taken out of context. For example, I've heard of a phrase saying something like "don't treat your job as a hobby", or something along those lines. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From spamatica at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 08:51:56 2013 From: spamatica at gmail.com (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 09:51:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [Music] a bunch of songs Message-ID: Hi everybody, Just wanted to share some recently finished music, it's been taking ages, but finally got around to complete it. This time around with a complete band! All recorded and mixed with Linux, of course. https://thewunderbaum.bandcamp.com/ or https://play.spotify.com/artist/7GbEsZw2bLgJW8khabgPLx Hope you like it, Robert From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Nov 1 09:11:05 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 23:11:05 -1000 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131101084813.GF5993@tal> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> <20131101084813.GF5993@tal> Message-ID: <52737029.6030800@hawaii.rr.com> On 10/31/2013 10:48 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:24:41PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Hopefully he is mistaken. Today I try to work for child care, making >> music, drawing etc.. Nobody who dislike it, should care for children. >> However, I fear ... and I really fear it ... your father is right. > > Have you heard of the term: "Dream Job"? That is where you get paid for > something you love doing. > > I wonder if the original statement has been taken out of context. For > example, I've heard of a phrase saying something like "don't treat your > job as a hobby", or something along those lines. Here's a variation on the quote mentioned above: "Don't treat your *life* as a hobby." At one place we lived, we used to have a letter carrier who trudged. Every bit of his body language said he *hated* his job. He was maybe 5 years away from retirement age. We think what happened to him is that he had dreams of doing something else, and someone had convinced him "Get a post office job, you'll get a great pension to support you in pursuing your dreams when you retire." But over the years, his resentment about his job had poisoned him so much that we very much doubt that any trace of his old dreams survived ... :-( -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com From looplog at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 09:11:52 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:11:52 +0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131101084813.GF5993@tal> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> <20131101084813.GF5993@tal> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > I wonder if the original statement has been taken out of context. I suspect so. The statement was: "If you *really* enjoy something, never do it as a job" The *really* part is important I think. If you are very passionate about something, turning it into work is not often the best thing for that passion. That being said, "work" is probably a state of mind more than anything. I know Robert Fripp has said something similar about music, that if you really love music, don't try to make a living out of it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Fri Nov 1 09:32:52 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:32:52 +1300 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383007056.2310.125.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> <1383006570.2310.118.camel@archlinux> <1383007056.2310.125.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131101093252.GG5993@tal> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 01:37:36AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 01:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 19:21 -0500, Neil wrote: > > > Sweat Jane ^^^^^ Sweet > > I try to get it from the Internet, IOW by YouTube for around 20 hours :D > > and while receiving your mail it was downloaded :) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkumhBVPGdg . But seemingly all of the > > better performances from him where with The Velvet Underground. You mean there's a better version than the one on Rock'n'Roll Animal? > PS: "Beam Me Up Scotty" was Never Said in the Original Star Trek James Cagney never said "You Dirty Rat!" -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 10:00:46 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 11:00:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has > released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. > > During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural > freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and > recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio > Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at > once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are > one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. > > The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software > on GNU/Linux. > Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for > mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. > > Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht > www.magnetophon.nl > > Video clip Off The Chart: > http://www.munk050.com/ > > The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: > http://www.munk050.com/music/ > > Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of > 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks > for your support! > > Munk! > Some feedback on the songs and the mix would be nice! :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From murks at tuxfamily.org Fri Nov 1 11:40:01 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:40:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] WARNING Replay gain exceeds the -51 to +51 DB range In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131101124001.3666a8ed@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:35:53 -0700 Rusty Perez wrote: > So, I'm getting this error on one of 10 songs which I'm attempting to > mix down from nama. > It is not a particularly busy or loud song. I think it's actually > probbly quieter than some of the others. > Any thoughts? > What can I try? > I'm assuming it's lame that's giving this error when it tries to make > an mp3. > > Thanks! > Rusty Try to mix down to wav and convert it to mp3 or whatever afterwards, then you'll at least know which program is throwing the warning. Regards, Philipp From brummer- at web.de Fri Nov 1 19:14:22 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:14:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5273FD8E.7060304@web.de> Am 01.11.2013 11:00, schrieb rosea.grammostola: > On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has >> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. >> >> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural >> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week >> and recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio >> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at >> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are >> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free >> software on GNU/Linux. >> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for >> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. >> >> Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht >> www.magnetophon.nl >> >> Video clip Off The Chart: >> http://www.munk050.com/ >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: >> http://www.munk050.com/music/ >> >> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of >> 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks >> for your support! >> >> Munk! >> > > Some feedback on the songs and the mix would be nice! :) > Hi Dirk Couldn't say much to the songs, as it isn't my kind of music, but the bass could be a louder in the mix, for my taste. regards hermann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 20:00:32 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 21:00:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <5273FD8E.7060304@web.de> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> <5273FD8E.7060304@web.de> Message-ID: <52740860.7070607@gmail.com> On 11/01/2013 08:14 PM, hermann meyer wrote: > Am 01.11.2013 11:00, schrieb rosea.grammostola: >> On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has >>> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. >>> >>> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural >>> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week >>> and recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio >>> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at >>> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are >>> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. >>> >>> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free >>> software on GNU/Linux. >>> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for >>> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. >>> >>> Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht >>> www.magnetophon.nl >>> >>> Video clip Off The Chart: >>> http://www.munk050.com/ >>> >>> The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: >>> http://www.munk050.com/music/ >>> >>> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range >>> of 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, >>> thanks for your support! >>> >>> Munk! >>> >> >> Some feedback on the songs and the mix would be nice! :) >> > Hi Dirk > > Couldn't say much to the songs, as it isn't my kind of music, > but the bass could be a louder in the mix, for my taste. Hi Hermann, Thanks for your feedback. Did you listen it on a decent audio installation or mobile device, makes a big difference for bass of course. For what it's worth the songs which I'm most satisfied about are 2. No More Coffee, 3. Pachira & 4. Off The Chart. Regards, \r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joelz at pobox.com Fri Nov 1 21:06:31 2013 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 11:06:31 -1000 Subject: [LAU] WARNING Replay gain exceeds the -51 to +51 DB range In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131101210631.GA28499@sprite> Rusty Perez wrote: > So, I'm getting this error on one of 10 songs which I'm attempting to > mix down from nama. > It is not a particularly busy or loud song. I think it's actually > probbly quieter than some of the others. > Any thoughts? > What can I try? > I'm assuming it's lame that's giving this error when it tries to make an mp3. Hi Rusty, I would suggest selecting the Mixdown track and running the analyze_level (anl) command. This uses Ecasound's -ev operator to generate amplitude statistics about the selected WAV file. Joel -- Joel Roth From brummer- at web.de Sat Nov 2 04:32:48 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 05:32:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <52740860.7070607@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> <5273FD8E.7060304@web.de> <52740860.7070607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52748070.90303@web.de> Am 01.11.2013 21:00, schrieb rosea.grammostola: >> Hi Dirk >> >> Couldn't say much to the songs, as it isn't my kind of music, >> but the bass could be a louder in the mix, for my taste. > Hi Hermann, > > Thanks for your feedback. Did you listen it on a decent audio > installation or mobile device, makes a big difference for bass of course. > > For what it's worth the songs which I'm most satisfied about are 2. No > More Coffee, 3. Pachira & 4. Off The Chart. > > Regards, > \r > Not a mobile , but Low-Fi gear. :-) I like 7. The Meuse regards hermann From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 09:47:46 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:47:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <52748070.90303@web.de> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> <5273FD8E.7060304@web.de> <52740860.7070607@gmail.com> <52748070.90303@web.de> Message-ID: <5274CA42.7020406@gmail.com> On 11/02/2013 05:32 AM, hermann meyer wrote: > Am 01.11.2013 21:00, schrieb rosea.grammostola: >>> Hi Dirk >>> >>> Couldn't say much to the songs, as it isn't my kind of music, >>> but the bass could be a louder in the mix, for my taste. >> Hi Hermann, >> >> Thanks for your feedback. Did you listen it on a decent audio >> installation or mobile device, makes a big difference for bass of >> course. >> >> For what it's worth the songs which I'm most satisfied about are 2. >> No More Coffee, 3. Pachira & 4. Off The Chart. >> >> Regards, >> \r >> > Not a mobile , but Low-Fi gear. :-) > I like 7. The Meuse Yeah, the we've a different taste for music :). The Meuse is blues, I prefer the jazz-ska songs. I'm glad you liked at least one song at the end :) Regards, \r From spamatica at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 12:17:40 2013 From: spamatica at gmail.com (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 13:17:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [Music] a bunch of songs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As per request here are some direct links to the songs: http://195.234.15.184/the_wunderbaum/ My web server setup is in shambles so there's just the links :) Regards, Robert 2013/11/1 Robert Jonsson : > Hi everybody, > > Just wanted to share some recently finished music, it's been taking > ages, but finally got around to complete it. > This time around with a complete band! All recorded and mixed with > Linux, of course. > > https://thewunderbaum.bandcamp.com/ > or > https://play.spotify.com/artist/7GbEsZw2bLgJW8khabgPLx > > Hope you like it, > Robert From kaspar.bumke at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 14:13:40 2013 From: kaspar.bumke at gmail.com (Kaspar Bumke) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 14:13:40 +0000 Subject: [LAU] KXStudio Debian Bugs Message-ID: Hey, not sure if this is the best way to report these but I couldn't find any specific bug trackers or mailing lists for KXstudio. I was trying to install ntk-static so I could try and compile OpenAV's Sorcer LV2 and I encountered this: Unpacking libffi-static (from .../libffi-static_3.0.9-0kxstudio2_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libffi-static_3.0.9-0kxstudio2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man3/ffi_prep_cif.3.gz', which is also in package libffi-dev:i386 3.0.13-4 Processing triggers for man-db ... Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libffi-static_3.0.9-0kxstudio2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Also, this is Carla specific, the MIDI channel setting on my SFZ and SF2 instances (and possibly _any_ instances of anything, these are just the ones I have tried) in Carla don't seem to have any effect beyond the GUI keyboard in the edit window. I.e the instances still respond to any midi message on any channel. Is there a public git repo for Carla or only a source tarball release? Cheers, Kaspar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Sat Nov 2 16:35:56 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 17:35:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [Music] a bunch of songs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Robert! this is a good album, that you have released there. Up front I'd like to get the more unwelcome part of my e-mail out of the way in saying, that this is not my cup of tea, mostly. I do like "what makes you believe", the rest just doesn't really talk to me musically. that said, it is a fantastic production! It's clear and clean and has punch. Everything is transparent. As far as I am concerned the only criticism could be in the real of preferences and idiological approaches to production. I love the drumkit. Even I wouldn't have tortured the snare drum further to achieve a sound completely to my liking. It all fits together so neatly! If I said, that you could put this on a radiostation and no one would notice, would you understand this as a compliment in terms of production and playing? It would be meant as such. It's good to hear, that you don't neglect your own language. I always like hearing perfectly ordinary and global genres of music with lyrics in languages other than English and German. Musically I must say, that you have a good and versatile voice. It is you singing? I'm pretty sure, but... :-) The slight distortion on the vocals in "Been to the Gates" really helps the song along. Though as such processing goes, I think it's rather subtle. It almost gives it a sixties feel in the voice, not in the music. This raw edge, this crackle in the voice. As I said, both musically and in terms of production, it is very well performed. straight forward and spot on! Perhaps it's good for us, that you are unknown, because I've heard people making a nice bit of money with approximately similar music. that way we can all enjoy it for free and share it around, pass the links on. Warm regards and thanks Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Nov 2 16:44:52 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 16:44:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] a bunch of songs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131102164452.6ffaae2b@debian> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 13:17:40 +0100 Robert Jonsson wrote: > As per request here are some direct links to the songs: > > http://195.234.15.184/the_wunderbaum/ > > My web server setup is in shambles so there's just the links :) > > Regards, > Robert > > 2013/11/1 Robert Jonsson : > > Hi everybody, > > > > Just wanted to share some recently finished music, it's been taking > > ages, but finally got around to complete it. > > This time around with a complete band! All recorded and mixed with > > Linux, of course. > > > > https://thewunderbaum.bandcamp.com/ > > or > > https://play.spotify.com/artist/7GbEsZw2bLgJW8khabgPLx > > > > Hope you like it, > > Robert Having difficulty fetching these. I get a few seconds worth then it hangs :( -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Nov 2 16:46:13 2013 From: WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will J Godfrey) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 16:46:13 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A Seasonal Track. In-Reply-To: References: <20131031194138.0108a3c7@debian> Message-ID: <20131102164613.2d9d17ea@debian> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:51:01 +0100 (CET) Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Will! > I can safely say, that this is my favourite tune of yours! I like the > harmonies and melody lines as well as the mix. there is darkness here and the > cold menace of ice and the unknown. This tune speaks of film music, clearer > than Between the Stars and has more darkness than In Search of the Lost Tribe > or Dark Mist. > The organ is rather cliche, but who says, that cliche is necessarily a bad > thing. I don't! :-) From an almost merry introduction you quickly progress to > pompous cinema. When I say merry, I'm thinking of a children's ghost story for > Halloween. > The next section is almost 70s. It's the vibrato patch and the acoustic > hihats. > As I say: I love it! More of this! the Yoshimi patches are great for that > kind of music, if you put your mind to it. > Thanks a lot for sharing. > Warm regards > Julien > Thanks a lot Julien. I rather thought this one might appeal to you :) -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits. From spamatica at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 17:15:55 2013 From: spamatica at gmail.com (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:15:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [Music] a bunch of songs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Julien, Oh, you are really too kind but I'm eating it all ;-) The drums were recorded in my living room(!) with four microphones, and yes we were quite pleased with the sound. It is me singing on all but What makes you believe and Redesigning the solar system which are sung by my friend Bj?rn, who is actually from germany :) Thanks for giving me your opinion! Regards, Robert 2013/11/2 Julien Claassen : > Hello Robert! > this is a good album, that you have released there. Up front I'd like to > get the more unwelcome part of my e-mail out of the way in saying, that this > is not my cup of tea, mostly. I do like "what makes you believe", the rest > just doesn't really talk to me musically. > that said, it is a fantastic production! It's clear and clean and has > punch. Everything is transparent. As far as I am concerned the only > criticism could be in the real of preferences and idiological approaches to > production. I love the drumkit. Even I wouldn't have tortured the snare drum > further to achieve a sound completely to my liking. It all fits together so > neatly! If I said, that you could put this on a radiostation and no one > would notice, would you understand this as a compliment in terms of > production and playing? It would be meant as such. > It's good to hear, that you don't neglect your own language. I always like > hearing perfectly ordinary and global genres of music with lyrics in > languages other than English and German. > Musically I must say, that you have a good and versatile voice. It is you > singing? I'm pretty sure, but... :-) The slight distortion on the vocals in > "Been to the Gates" really helps the song along. Though as such processing > goes, I think it's rather subtle. It almost gives it a sixties feel in the > voice, not in the music. This raw edge, this crackle in the voice. > As I said, both musically and in terms of production, it is very well > performed. straight forward and spot on! Perhaps it's good for us, that you > are unknown, because I've heard people making a nice bit of money with > approximately similar music. that way we can all enjoy it for free and share > it around, pass the links on. > Warm regards and thanks > > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > Music, creative writing, technical information: > http://juliencoder.de/ From spamatica at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 17:18:28 2013 From: spamatica at gmail.com (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:18:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [Music] a bunch of songs In-Reply-To: <20131102164452.6ffaae2b@debian> References: <20131102164452.6ffaae2b@debian> Message-ID: Hi Will, 2013/11/2 Will Godfrey : <..:> > Having difficulty fetching these. I get a few seconds worth then it hangs :( Darn. I feel like this has happened before, I have no clue where the problem might lie though. Maybe you could try downloading them through the bandcamp page? Regards, Robert From arve.barsnes at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 20:30:42 2013 From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:30:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Some heavy metal/rock'n'roll Message-ID: Hello all! Just released a debut release by a band I'm in last weekend, which I just realised is pretty much a linux project. Everything was recorded straight to harddrive through an analog mixer. So not an analog studio, but a computerless studio anyway. Drums recorded live with the rest of the instruments playing along in the room, so a lot of guitars and bass on the drum tracks, so was quite a challenge massaging the drums into sounding like drums without interfering with the guitars (which we recorded on top of the drums afterwards the same day). Everything recorded in two evenings a cold weekend earlier this year. Mixed and fixed in ardour 2 this spring/summer (can't quite remember). Not super happy with the sound, but it was a mess before the mixing process, so quite satisfied after all. Hope you enjoy! https://alphatross.bandcamp.com/ Regards, Arve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 21:19:01 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 17:19:01 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Some heavy metal/rock'n'roll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Arve Barsnes wrote: > Just released a debut release by a band I'm in last weekend, which I just > realised is pretty much a linux project. Everything was recorded straight to > harddrive through an analog mixer. So not an analog studio, but a > computerless studio anyway. I love this, my kind of metal! Drums seem a little light in the mix, but it's all got a good groove to it. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From rmouneyres at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 17:25:53 2013 From: rmouneyres at gmail.com (raf) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:25:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Gig/sfz: Linuxsampler vs. Highlife vs ?? In-Reply-To: <5270FCF8.9040004@vait.se> References: <5270D1B2.7060709@vait.se> <5270FCF8.9040004@vait.se> Message-ID: hello Jostein, here are some more information about dealing with hihat openess in sfz format. First, a simple example with 3 layers : only trigger a sample depending on the pedal position. No crossfade between samples here. key=42 locc4=65 hicc4=127 loop_mode=one_shot group=7 off_by=7 sample=Wav/hihat_largeopen.wav volume=+40 ... key=42 locc4=1 hicc4=64 loop_mode=one_shot group=7 off_by=7 sample=Wav/hihat_smallopen.wav volume=+40 ... key=42 locc4=0 hicc4=0 loop_mode=one_shot group=7 off_by=7 sample=Wav/hihat_closed.wav volume=+40 ... Then to go further, i've been reading those two documents : SFZ specification from cakewalk http://www.cakewalk.com/DevXchange/article.aspx?aid=108 Linuxsampler SFZ reference https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UxPar5toq2uDrU4Gkf4jOGzV3ic-CAoRPo0cWE6xino/pub#h.137ceeca54ab To achieve crossfading between sample (as suggested in my previous email), i want to use the xfin_xx and xfout_xx opcodes. The above example would change to : key=42 loop_mode=one_shot sample=Wav/hihat_largeopen.wav volume=+40 xfin_locc4=65 xfin_hicc4=65 xfout_locc4=127 xfout_hicc4=127 sample=Wav/hihat_smallopen.wav volume=+40 xfin_locc4=1 xfin_hicc4=1 xfout_locc4=64 xfout_hicc4=64 sample=Wav/hihat_closed.wav volume=+40 xfin_locc4=0 xfin_hicc4=0 xfout_locc4=0 xfout_hicc4=0 ... Now, one can hear fading from a sample to another when moving the hihat pedal. But if you hit a closed sample, then release the pedal, you hear the opened hihat tail...not realistic. So my idea is to use envelope generator calibrated for each hihat openess sample. ampeg_xxx opcodes could be usable, but have been deprecated in linuxsampler, replaced by 'eg' opcodes Once defined for each sample, this envelope can then be modified by the pedal CC using the following opcodes : egN_volume_onccX, egN_amplitude_onccX, egN_levelX_onccY I'm still experimenting a lot with this setup, and i have little time to work on it, so no complete solution or working guarantees for now, and i'm opened to suggestions. Feel free to experiment by yourself. To answer your original question "Are someone aware of a decent Gig/SFZ sample player for Linux that can (or will) handle professional drum samples as described above?", I'd say that linuxsampler can absolutely do it, but it needs a lot of programming for a huge kit like NDK. I don't own the kit myself, but from what i've read on their website, those who buy the kit have access to a private forum, where i'm sure someone already has a sfz file implemented for linuxsampler. Rapha?l Le 30 oct. 2013 ? 13:35, Jostein Chr. Andersen a ?crit : > On 10/30/2013 01:22 PM, Rapha?l Mouneyres wrote: >> Hello, >> One trick with hihats on linuxsampler is to handle it differently. >> One note will not mute another note. >> But, hitting the hihat will trigger multiple openess samples (depending >> on how many levels you want). Then the hi hat pedal will fade from one >> sample to another. >> This can be achevied with current sfz implementation i'm sure. >> May you need more info tell me. I will take a look at my notes. > > Thanks for answering Rapha?l, but I'm not sure if I understand you right, the sound (interference and many diffrent attack sounds at one time) and the feel will be wrong if you trigger multiple samples in one hit. What happens when you gradually lifts up or close the HH (very common in the real life), then the previous opened samples (while closing) will still ring. > > J. > > > > -- > Jostein Andersen - +46 73 6785 670 > jcamusic.se - facebook.com/jcamusicsweden > josteinandersen.se From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Nov 3 18:51:02 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 19:51:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52769B16.5020004@autostatic.com> On 11/01/2013 11:00 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has >> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. >> >> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural >> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and >> recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio >> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at >> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are >> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software >> on GNU/Linux. >> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for >> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. >> >> Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht >> www.magnetophon.nl >> >> Video clip Off The Chart: >> http://www.munk050.com/ >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: >> http://www.munk050.com/music/ >> >> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of >> 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks >> for your support! >> >> Munk! >> > > Some feedback on the songs and the mix would be nice! :) Hello Rosea, Listening to it now. Sounds way too roomy for me, I barely hear any close miked instruments. Not that it's necessary but the room in which you recorded seems to miss some warmth and atmosphere (too much concrete, too little wood?) so the result sounds to me like there's lacking some low. Also the room sounds a bit too small and it seems little or no additional reverb was used so the mix sounds a bit boxy. I also hear some badly intonated/tuned instruments, especially the guitar. With regard to the songs, I barely listen to jazz but I do listen to some bands that have incorporated jazz in their pop/rock sound like Tortoise (album: Standards), Karate (album: Unsolved) or The Mercury Program (album: A Data Learn The Language). I highly recommend giving those bands a listen as I have the idea Munk! is also operating within this scope. So I favor the tracks that lean more towards pop minus the Ska kind of tracks as I don't like Ska myself (except for The Specials). All in all nice job! Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <52769B16.5020004@autostatic.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52737BCE.9020102@gmail.com> <52769B16.5020004@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <5276B6FB.1050608@gmail.com> On 11/03/2013 07:51 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 11/01/2013 11:00 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has >>> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. >>> >>> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural >>> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and >>> recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio >>> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at >>> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are >>> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. >>> >>> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software >>> on GNU/Linux. >>> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for >>> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. >>> >>> Recorded& mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht >>> www.magnetophon.nl >>> >>> Video clip Off The Chart: >>> http://www.munk050.com/ >>> >>> The Magnetophon Sessions, music& artwork: >>> http://www.munk050.com/music/ >>> >>> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of >>> 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks >>> for your support! >>> >>> Munk! >>> >> Some feedback on the songs and the mix would be nice! :) > Hello Rosea, > > Listening to it now. Sounds way too roomy for me, I barely hear any > close miked instruments. Not that it's necessary but the room in which > you recorded seems to miss some warmth and atmosphere (too much > concrete, too little wood?) so the result sounds to me like there's > lacking some low. Also the room sounds a bit too small and it seems > little or no additional reverb was used so the mix sounds a bit boxy. I > also hear some badly intonated/tuned instruments, especially the guitar. > With regard to the songs, I barely listen to jazz but I do listen to > some bands that have incorporated jazz in their pop/rock sound like > Tortoise (album: Standards), Karate (album: Unsolved) or The Mercury > Program (album: A Data Learn The Language). I highly recommend giving > those bands a listen as I have the idea Munk! is also operating within > this scope. So I favor the tracks that lean more towards pop minus the > Ska kind of tracks as I don't like Ska myself (except for The Specials). > All in all nice job! > > Thanks Jeremy, for your lengthly feedback. Not sure if I agree with it all, but I'm not an experienced sound engineer. Also we lost pretty some time for tuning the (bas)guitar, so I doubt if that one is not in tune, maybe its the dissonant jazz sound you're not used to :) Anyway, I didn't notice it, maybe I hear it when I listen it again. About the wood and the room, did you see the pictures on Barts website? http://www.magnetophon.nl/ It's all wood there man :) In this article you'll find some graphs of the room, not sure how much that tells us: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct10/articles/green-studio.htm The roomy sound was intentional, for the ska-like songs it might be interesting to see how it sounds with a more DI/closed mic sound. Another reason to do it this way was the heat in the studio. It was around 35 degrees in that week, sweat all over the place, so it would be even worse if we had to wear headphones. If I've Off The Chart on my headphone, I like the natural sounding, I think it's pleasant to listen to. Also I do prefer the trumpet sound with as less reverb as possible, I think reverb kills the sharpness of the tones too much. Regards, \r From ch.bungue at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 21:59:20 2013 From: ch.bungue at gmail.com (Chris Bungue) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 22:59:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] editor for audiofile header? In-Reply-To: References: <5268E977.5050609@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Sorry, maybe the question is a little bit silly, but I'm a musician not a programmer. Could it be that the wav format (32bit-float) is different on linux and windows? Somebody told me that windows wav file are LSB and linux and Mac are MSB. But I could not believe that really, and I couldn't find anything about it in the internet. If somebody is interested in my distorted wav file, you can download it from my dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gnp6zfm94a5z1ub/N4SwsWb1ha thanks Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edogawa at aon.at Sun Nov 3 22:19:10 2013 From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 23:19:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <5276B6FB.1050608@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52769B16.5020004@autostatic.com> <5276B6FB.1050608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1447776.TJs3hsVHUR@edhp> Am Sonntag, 3. November 2013, 21:50:03 schrieb rosea.grammostola: > On 11/03/2013 07:51 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > > On 11/01/2013 11:00 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >> On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >>> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has > >>> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. > >>> > >>> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural > >>> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and > >>> recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio > >>> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at > >>> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are > >>> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. > >>> > >>> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software > >>> on GNU/Linux. > >>> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for > >>> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. > >>> > >>> Recorded& mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht > >>> www.magnetophon.nl > >>> > >>> Video clip Off The Chart: > >>> http://www.munk050.com/ > >>> > >>> The Magnetophon Sessions, music& artwork: > >>> http://www.munk050.com/music/ > >>> > >>> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of > >>> 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks > >>> for your support! > >>> > >>> Munk! > >>> > >> Some feedback on the songs and the mix would be nice! :) > > Hello Rosea, > > > > Listening to it now. Sounds way too roomy for me, I barely hear any > > close miked instruments. Not that it's necessary but the room in which > > you recorded seems to miss some warmth and atmosphere (too much > > concrete, too little wood?) so the result sounds to me like there's > > lacking some low. Also the room sounds a bit too small and it seems > > little or no additional reverb was used so the mix sounds a bit boxy. I > > also hear some badly intonated/tuned instruments, especially the guitar. > > With regard to the songs, I barely listen to jazz but I do listen to > > some bands that have incorporated jazz in their pop/rock sound like > > Tortoise (album: Standards), Karate (album: Unsolved) or The Mercury > > Program (album: A Data Learn The Language). I highly recommend giving > > those bands a listen as I have the idea Munk! is also operating within > > this scope. So I favor the tracks that lean more towards pop minus the > > Ska kind of tracks as I don't like Ska myself (except for The Specials). > > All in all nice job! > > > > > Thanks Jeremy, for your lengthly feedback. Not sure if I agree with it > all, but I'm not an experienced sound engineer. Also we lost pretty some > time for tuning the (bas)guitar, so I doubt if that one is not in tune, > maybe its the dissonant jazz sound you're not used to :) Anyway, I > didn't notice it, maybe I hear it when I listen it again. About the wood > and the room, did you see the pictures on Barts website? > http://www.magnetophon.nl/ > > It's all wood there man :) > In this article you'll find some graphs of the room, not sure how much > that tells us: > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct10/articles/green-studio.htm > > The roomy sound was intentional, for the ska-like songs it might be > interesting to see how it sounds with a more DI/closed mic sound. > Another reason to do it this way was the heat in the studio. It was > around 35 degrees in that week, sweat all over the place, so it would be > even worse if we had to wear headphones. > > If I've Off The Chart on my headphone, I like the natural sounding, I > think it's pleasant to listen to. Also I do prefer the trumpet sound > with as less reverb as possible, I think reverb kills the sharpness of > the tones too much. I listened yesterday evening to the whole album (on headphones), and I like it a lot. I agree with Jeremy only in that (in some rare spots only) the guitar seems out of tune a bit, but not so much that it would disturb me. All in all I share how you feel about it, and I had similar thoughts going on when listening - it sounded warm, natural, transparent, and like the band had fun playing it. As soon as my wallet is getting a bit thicker again... Thanks for this, Edgar > > Regards, > \r > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Nov 3 22:21:59 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:21:59 -0500 Subject: [LAU] editor for audiofile header? 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If you need NTK, install libntk0.0-dev instead. > Also, this is Carla specific, the MIDI channel setting on my SFZ and > SF2 instances (and possibly _any_ instances of anything, these are > just the ones I have tried) in Carla don't seem to have any effect > beyond the GUI keyboard in the edit window. I.e the instances still > respond to any midi message on any channel. The MIDI channel thing is only for: 1. piano keyboard (feedback and sending notes to plugin) 2. internal controls (volume, dry/wet and balance, mapped to MIDI CCs) 3. changing the current midi-program on SF2 and internal synths. This needs to be documented somewhere, I know. I'll add some tooltips in there. > Is there a public git repo for Carla or only a source tarball release? > why not both? :P The official repo is here - https://github.com/falkTX/Carla - together with bug reports and requests. MAKE SURE TO USE THE "stable" git branch!! The latest source code of all my projects will always be here: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Downloads#SourceCode From ken at restivo.org Mon Nov 4 03:10:52 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:10:52 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More old crazed jazz Message-ID: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Cleaning out hard drives again. Found this little gem, covered with obvious mistakes, (which is why it was never really published) but still interesting if you like weird jazz in odd meters: http://storage.restivo.org/music/Cronies/suite-2007-11-06.ogg Linux content is all the keyboards, which are: fluidsynth, two crazy AMS patches, jconv, jack-rack, etc. Warning: it's 18 minutes long. Part of it is in 11/4. There's also a nice windshield wiper moment where 3 bars of 5/4 are overlaid on 2 bars of 5/4. The end of this epic beast consists of a cover of "Morning Bell" by Radiohead. -ken From espiritocz at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 09:47:49 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:47:49 +0800 Subject: [LAU] More old crazed jazz In-Reply-To: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: i like it )) 2013/11/4 Ken Restivo > Cleaning out hard drives again. > > Found this little gem, covered with obvious mistakes, (which is why it was > never really published) but still interesting if you like weird jazz in odd > meters: > > http://storage.restivo.org/music/Cronies/suite-2007-11-06.ogg > > Linux content is all the keyboards, which are: fluidsynth, two crazy AMS > patches, jconv, jack-rack, etc. > > Warning: it's 18 minutes long. > > Part of it is in 11/4. There's also a nice windshield wiper moment where 3 > bars of 5/4 are overlaid on 2 bars of 5/4. > > The end of this epic beast consists of a cover of "Morning Bell" by > Radiohead. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, dp From julien at mail.upb.de Mon Nov 4 12:53:51 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 13:53:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] More old crazed jazz In-Reply-To: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: Hello Ken! what a perfectly charming piece of jazz! I like the mix. It's a small combo, but even that can be fucked up, if you're not careful and if you have enough real acoustic instruments in the mix. I'm still undecided about the drumkit. It's so well balanced and tamed, that I'd go for good samples, but the playing suggests a real drummer on a real drumkit. I will take that piece to Duesseldorf, next time I'm there, so we will have a good ambience for the inevitable long evening. It iwll at least get it started or coloured somewhere in the middle. :-) I really don't know, why you haven't released it before. Anyway, it's good that you did so now. I did fully observe the metric niceties yet, but I will take the time to follow it. I'm especially looking for the "windshield wiper" moment. I'm sorry, aqt this time of day, I can't properly follow a long track, for that there is too much demanding my attention. :-( Thanks for sharing this lovely piece of very cool jazz! Rhythmically moved yours Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 15:12:20 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:12:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <1447776.TJs3hsVHUR@edhp> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <52769B16.5020004@autostatic.com> <5276B6FB.1050608@gmail.com> <1447776.TJs3hsVHUR@edhp> Message-ID: <5277B954.3060208@gmail.com> On 11/03/2013 11:19 PM, Edgar Aichinger wrote: > Am Sonntag, 3. November 2013, 21:50:03 schrieb rosea.grammostola: >> On 11/03/2013 07:51 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >>> On 11/01/2013 11:00 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>>> On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>>>> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has >>>>> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. >>>>> >>>>> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural >>>>> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and >>>>> recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio >>>>> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at >>>>> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are >>>>> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. >>>>> >>>>> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software >>>>> on GNU/Linux. >>>>> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for >>>>> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. >>>>> >>>>> Recorded& mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht >>>>> www.magnetophon.nl >>>>> >>>>> Video clip Off The Chart: >>>>> http://www.munk050.com/ >>>>> >>>>> The Magnetophon Sessions, music& artwork: >>>>> http://www.munk050.com/music/ >>>>> >>>>> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of >>>>> 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks >>>>> for your support! >>>>> >>>>> Munk! >>>>> >>>> Some feedback on the songs and the mix would be nice! :) >>> Hello Rosea, >>> >>> Listening to it now. Sounds way too roomy for me, I barely hear any >>> close miked instruments. Not that it's necessary but the room in which >>> you recorded seems to miss some warmth and atmosphere (too much >>> concrete, too little wood?) so the result sounds to me like there's >>> lacking some low. Also the room sounds a bit too small and it seems >>> little or no additional reverb was used so the mix sounds a bit boxy. I >>> also hear some badly intonated/tuned instruments, especially the guitar. >>> With regard to the songs, I barely listen to jazz but I do listen to >>> some bands that have incorporated jazz in their pop/rock sound like >>> Tortoise (album: Standards), Karate (album: Unsolved) or The Mercury >>> Program (album: A Data Learn The Language). I highly recommend giving >>> those bands a listen as I have the idea Munk! is also operating within >>> this scope. So I favor the tracks that lean more towards pop minus the >>> Ska kind of tracks as I don't like Ska myself (except for The Specials). >>> All in all nice job! >>> >>> >> Thanks Jeremy, for your lengthly feedback. Not sure if I agree with it >> all, but I'm not an experienced sound engineer. Also we lost pretty some >> time for tuning the (bas)guitar, so I doubt if that one is not in tune, >> maybe its the dissonant jazz sound you're not used to :) Anyway, I >> didn't notice it, maybe I hear it when I listen it again. About the wood >> and the room, did you see the pictures on Barts website? >> http://www.magnetophon.nl/ >> >> It's all wood there man :) >> In this article you'll find some graphs of the room, not sure how much >> that tells us: >> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct10/articles/green-studio.htm >> >> The roomy sound was intentional, for the ska-like songs it might be >> interesting to see how it sounds with a more DI/closed mic sound. >> Another reason to do it this way was the heat in the studio. It was >> around 35 degrees in that week, sweat all over the place, so it would be >> even worse if we had to wear headphones. >> >> If I've Off The Chart on my headphone, I like the natural sounding, I >> think it's pleasant to listen to. Also I do prefer the trumpet sound >> with as less reverb as possible, I think reverb kills the sharpness of >> the tones too much. > I listened yesterday evening to the whole album (on headphones), and > I like it a lot. I agree with Jeremy only in that (in some rare spots only) the guitar > seems out of tune a bit, but not so much that it would disturb me. All in all > I share how you feel about it, and I had similar thoughts going on when > listening - it sounded warm, natural, transparent, and like the band had > fun playing it. As soon as my wallet is getting a bit thicker again... Hey Edgar, Thx. Ok, it's always nice to get a 'cha-ching-message' from Bandcamp in your mailbox, and we're lucky that people took the time to pay a small amount of money (3 till 10 euro). It would be nice if we could cover the costs we made for the trip and the studio at the end. But getting honest feedback from experienced audio guys like you or from other musicians is equally valuable for us. It's nice to hear that people took the time to listen and in most cases enjoyed your music. We're together for one year now, first time in the studio, so there's also enough room for improvement, feedback helps here. Regards, Dirk From ken at restivo.org Mon Nov 4 21:53:08 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 13:53:08 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More old crazed jazz In-Reply-To: <52778392.7070500@woh.rr.com> References: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <52778392.7070500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20131104215308.GA13596@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 06:22:58AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > On 11/03/2013 10:10 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > >Found this little gem, covered with obvious mistakes, (which is why it was never really published) but still interesting if you like weird jazz in odd meters: > > > > > > Enjoyable stuff, Ken. Love the performance, I'd commit major crimes > to get a drummer that good. > Haha, yeah, Dan's amazing, for sure. If you want him, no crimes needed, he's available, you just need to pay him, and his rates are reasonable: http://www.room3studios.com If you're not in the area, you can FTP him a track and have him track drums over it for you, and he'll send you WAV files back that you can import into Ardour. I've been very lucky with drummers, and have been able to work with some outstanding ones. Glad you liked. If you want more of that group, I have another thing to post later tonight too. -ken From ken at restivo.org Tue Nov 5 00:43:39 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:43:39 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity Message-ID: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Here it is, played live: https://vimeo.com/78583355 I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our bass player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind me, not seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to switch patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, many LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each other, which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because of that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version too. -ken From rmouneyres at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 10:15:03 2013 From: rmouneyres at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Mouneyres?=) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:15:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jpmidi, with server mode Message-ID: Hello, jpmidi is a Midi-file player that uses Jack-Midi and synchronises to Jack-Transport. It is currently a hosted by Julien here : http://juliencoder.de/jpmidi/ After using it for a while with the command line, i needed an advanced feature : being able to control it remotely with UDP or TCP commands. This what i call a server mode. I've been modifying the code, and added a '-s' option so jpmidi is started in server mode, and waits for commands on port 2013. Well the whole thing is still buggy sometimes, especially with the port which is not released correctly, but it worked. I plan to continue developping on this feature. May you be interested in contributing, let me know. The project is now hosted on sourceforge : https://sourceforge.net/projects/jpmidi/ Rapha?l From nescivi at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 10:35:18 2013 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:35:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Creative Music Coding lab at STEIM - Amsterdam - tonight! Message-ID: <20131105113518.360733b1@exometheus.fritz.box> Calling all ChucK?ers, SuperColliders, Max and PureData patchers, CSounders, Fluxites, Overtoners, and all other tongues of creative coders. We welcome you to attend the fifth edition of the Creative Music Coding lab at STEIM. The CMC lab is an autonomous zone to try out sonic experiments as a group. And an opportunity to leverage the expertise of the group in realizing new artistic tools and processes through the medium of code. Many of the founding members of the group are indeed experts in their favorite languages, but we come from all technical levels of proficiency and enjoy helping one-another out. http://steim.org/event/creative-music-coding-lab-7/ DETAILS DATE: Tuesday, 5 NOVEMBER 2013 TIME: 19:30 ENTRY: FREE LOCATION: STEIM Concert Space, Utrechtsedwarsstraat 134 Amsterdam From alf at mellomrommet.no Tue Nov 5 11:14:55 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:14:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5278D32F.9030409@mellomrommet.no> On 28. okt. 2013 09:53, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has > released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. > > During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural > freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and > recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio > Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at > once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are > one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. > > The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software > on GNU/Linux. > Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for > mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. > > Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht > www.magnetophon.nl > > Video clip Off The Chart: > http://www.munk050.com/ > > The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: > http://www.munk050.com/music/ > > Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of 5 > -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks for > your support! > > Munk! I just played it through and think it's a nice piece of music. I can't really comment on sound quality since I didn't have time to LISTEN (playing in background while doing other stuff, sorry), but it seems to me all instruments are audible with a nice balance. Feels like played in a wooden room, would fit excellently in a nice caf?. Oh, and I think Magnetophon Sessions is a cool album title. Thank you for sharing! Alf From alf at mellomrommet.no Tue Nov 5 11:48:10 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:48:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Some heavy metal/rock'n'roll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5278DAFA.2080100@mellomrommet.no> On 02. nov. 2013 21:30, Arve Barsnes wrote: > Hello all! > > Just released a debut release by a band I'm in last weekend, which I just > realised is pretty much a linux project. Everything was recorded straight > to harddrive through an analog mixer. So not an analog studio, but a > computerless studio anyway. > > Drums recorded live with the rest of the instruments playing along in the > room, so a lot of guitars and bass on the drum tracks, so was quite a > challenge massaging the drums into sounding like drums without interfering > with the guitars (which we recorded on top of the drums afterwards the same > day). Everything recorded in two evenings a cold weekend earlier this year. > > Mixed and fixed in ardour 2 this spring/summer (can't quite remember). Not > super happy with the sound, but it was a mess before the mixing process, so > quite satisfied after all. > > Hope you enjoy! > > https://alphatross.bandcamp.com/ > > Regards, > Arve Right on, getting all the 70'ies associations! Tight, though a little muddled on the sound - it's a little bit like there's only one massive instrument playing everything. On the other hand, that's how this kind of music often sounds. Though a little bit too straightforward for my tastes, it's grrovy and well worth playing through. Thanks for sharing! Alf From arve.barsnes at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 11:58:18 2013 From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:58:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Some heavy metal/rock'n'roll In-Reply-To: <5278DAFA.2080100@mellomrommet.no> References: <5278DAFA.2080100@mellomrommet.no> Message-ID: On 5 November 2013 12:48, Alf Haakon Lund wrote: > Right on, getting all the 70'ies associations! Tight, though a little > muddled on the sound - it's a little bit like there's only one massive > instrument playing everything. On the other hand, that's how this kind of > music often sounds. > > Though a little bit too straightforward for my tastes, it's grrovy and > well worth playing through. > > Thanks for sharing! > > Thanks for commenting! As I mentioned to Brett McCoy (that I managed to send off-list for some reason), there were a lot of challenges with the raw material, especially other instruments leaking onto the drum tracks. The muddy sound is mostly a product of that good old mistake, recording guitars with too much distortion. When it sounds good on its own, it must be good right? Haha. Glad you like it! Arve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jostein at vait.se Tue Nov 5 12:17:11 2013 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:17:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Gig/sfz: Linuxsampler vs. Highlife vs ?? In-Reply-To: References: <5270D1B2.7060709@vait.se> <5270FCF8.9040004@vait.se> Message-ID: <5278E1C7.3050909@vait.se> On 11/03/2013 06:25 PM, raf wrote: > here are some more information about dealing with hihat openess in sfz format. .... > So my idea is to use envelope generator calibrated for each hihat openess sample. > ampeg_xxx opcodes could be usable, but have been deprecated in linuxsampler, replaced by 'eg' opcodes > Once defined for each sample, this envelope can then be modified by the pedal CC using the following opcodes : > egN_volume_onccX, egN_amplitude_onccX, egN_levelX_onccY > > I'm still experimenting a lot with this setup, and i have little time to work on it, so no complete solution or working guarantees for now, and i'm opened to suggestions. > Feel free to experiment by yourself. > > To answer your original question "Are someone aware of a decent Gig/SFZ sample player for Linux that can (or will) handle professional drum samples as described above?", I'd say that linuxsampler can absolutely do it, but it needs a lot of programming for a huge kit like NDK. > > I don't own the kit myself, but from what i've read on their website, those who buy the kit have access to a private forum, where i'm sure someone already has a sfz file implemented for linuxsampler. Thanks Rapha?l, I will study your information and see if I can figure this out. Right now (if nothing has changed without me noticing it), the SFZ format is not the problem, it's the sample players that is the problem. No wonder that many choose to make dedicated players for their drum samples! Jostein From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Nov 5 12:49:53 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:49:53 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <54590.86.105.94.1.1383655793.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Tue, November 5, 2013 11:43 am, Ken Restivo wrote: > Here it is, played live: > > https://vimeo.com/78583355 > > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our bass > player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind me, not > seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the > synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to switch > patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. > > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, many > LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. > > We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each other, > which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because of > that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. > > If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version too. > Sounds better live. To my ear there is a lot more warmth with the live element. Crowd and visuals give added appeal. While you're in that time period you don't have a video of that impromptu jam you did with Mike Franti by any chance? -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From ken at restivo.org Tue Nov 5 17:48:35 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:48:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <54590.86.105.94.1.1383655793.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <54590.86.105.94.1.1383655793.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20131105174835.GA4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:49:53PM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > On Tue, November 5, 2013 11:43 am, Ken Restivo wrote: > > Here it is, played live: > > > > https://vimeo.com/78583355 > > > > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our bass > > player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind me, not > > seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the > > synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to switch > > patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. > > > > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, many > > LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. > > > > We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each other, > > which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because of > > that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. > > > > If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version too. > > > > Sounds better live. To my ear there is a lot more warmth with the live > element. Crowd and visuals give added appeal. While you're in that time > period you don't have a video of that impromptu jam you did with Mike > Franti by any chance? Wait, what? I've worked with a few people who've worked with Franti (that's kind of inevitable around the Bay Area), but not with him directly. -ken From ken at restivo.org Tue Nov 5 17:55:49 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:55:49 -0800 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131105175549.GB4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 08:36:37PM +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > right on! actualy, record to a simple and cheap-o cassette tape > sliiiiiighlty in the red, and then record it back to digital, compress > it with a nice calf plugin and voila: you have now your own unique and > really good UA-sound-a-like tape-dirt. <3 I saw a mastering video with a guy who charges US$1k/song or something, and his "secret weapon" was a 2-track 1/4" deck. He'd dump the master mix from ProTools to the 1/4" deck at like 30ips, resample it back, and that got him the sweet lucrative loving he wanted from his customers. I thought, wow. You take a medium in which even cheap consumer crap has effectively perfect resolution, and dump it to a medium with basically 12-bits resolution (analog tape), and then A/D it back, and that's "the sound" they wanted. Humans are weird. -ken From ken at restivo.org Tue Nov 5 17:58:49 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:58:49 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131105175849.GC4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:53:22AM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has > released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. > > During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural > freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week > and recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio > Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at > once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are > one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. > > The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free > software on GNU/Linux. > Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for > mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. > > Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht > www.magnetophon.nl > > Video clip Off The Chart: > http://www.munk050.com/ > > The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: > http://www.munk050.com/music/ > > Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range > of 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, > thanks for your support! > I liked it, bought it, downloaded it. Only complaint is that the flute sounds out of tune on track #3. Other than that, I enjoyed the ska jazz! -ken From jh at brainiac.com Tue Nov 5 18:57:16 2013 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:57:16 -0500 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131105175549.GB4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <20131105175549.GB4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131105135716.1ef48154c9a9787f90062f98@brainiac.com> On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:55:49 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > I saw a mastering video with a guy who charges US$1k/song or something, and his "secret weapon" was a 2-track 1/4" deck. He'd dump the master mix from ProTools to the 1/4" deck at like 30ips, resample it back, and that got him the sweet lucrative loving he wanted from his customers. Because mmmmm, tape compression. You can fake it in digital, but it's not the same. > I thought, wow. You take a medium in which even cheap consumer crap has effectively perfect resolution, and dump it to a medium with basically 12-bits resolution (analog tape), and then A/D it back, and that's "the sound" they wanted. Bob Katz begs to differ: "I believe that a finely-tuned 30 IPS 1/2" tape recorder is more accurate, better resolved, has better space, depth, purity of tone and transparency than many digital systems available today. Empirical observations have shown that you need a nominal "24-bit" A/D to capture the low-level resolution of 1/2" 30 IPS (if truth be told, the best converters only approach about 19-20 bit resolution in practice). It can also be argued that 1/2" tape has a greater bandwidth than 44.1 KHz or 48 KHz digital audio, requiring even higher sample rates to properly convert to digital. Listening tests corroborate this. 30 IPS analog tape has useable frequency response to beyond 30 KHz and a gentle (gradual) filter rolls off the frequency response. This translates to more open, transparent sound than any 44.1 kHz/16 bit digital recording I've heard. 1/2" 30 IPS analog tape has lots of information, like high resolution 35 mm film. 16-bit 44.1 KHz digital is like low-resolution video." (http://www.digido.com/articles-and-demos12/13-bob-katz/27-back-to-analog.html) Assuming the mastering guy's gear is well-maintained, his price may well be worth what he charges. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From czhenry at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 19:58:45 2013 From: czhenry at gmail.com (Charles Z Henry) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:58:45 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Measuring phase and frequency response of a filter. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Katja has one: Exochirp toolbox for Pd http://www.katjaas.nl/expochirp/expochirp.html On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Rafael Vega wrote: > Hi. > I'm building a little ear training application for eqing for which I'm > building some filter banks in puredata. Can someone point me to a practical > way of measuring and plotting my filter's frequency and phase responses? > Jack apps, pd patches or code should be fine. > Thanks! > > -- > Rafael Vega > email.rafa at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Nov 5 20:27:21 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:27:21 +0000 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131105135716.1ef48154c9a9787f90062f98@brainiac.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <20131105175549.GB4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131105135716.1ef48154c9a9787f90062f98@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20131105202721.628752e3@debian> On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:57:16 -0500 Joe Hartley wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:55:49 -0800 > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > I saw a mastering video with a guy who charges US$1k/song or something, and his "secret weapon" was a 2-track 1/4" deck. He'd dump the master mix from ProTools to the 1/4" deck at like 30ips, resample it back, and that got him the sweet lucrative loving he wanted from his customers. > > Because mmmmm, tape compression. You can fake it in digital, but it's not > the same. > > > I thought, wow. You take a medium in which even cheap consumer crap has effectively perfect resolution, and dump it to a medium with basically 12-bits resolution (analog tape), and then A/D it back, and that's "the sound" they wanted. > > Bob Katz begs to differ: Reading his comments I get the strong feeling he will say whatever gets him the most money. I've worked with 30ips machines. They are a total nightmare, and while a wide tape width improves noise, it actually detracts from frequency response (it would take an entire article to explain why). People usually use tape these days to add 2nd order harmonic distortion (warmth) and saturation distortion (compression). If you really want that, both can be had more reliably by alternative means. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Nov 5 20:44:26 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:44:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Some heavy metal/rock'n'roll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131105204426.40e79fb5@debian> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:30:42 +0100 Arve Barsnes wrote: > Hello all! > > Just released a debut release by a band I'm in last weekend, which I just > realised is pretty much a linux project. Everything was recorded straight > to harddrive through an analog mixer. So not an analog studio, but a > computerless studio anyway. > > Drums recorded live with the rest of the instruments playing along in the > room, so a lot of guitars and bass on the drum tracks, so was quite a > challenge massaging the drums into sounding like drums without interfering > with the guitars (which we recorded on top of the drums afterwards the same > day). Everything recorded in two evenings a cold weekend earlier this year. > > Mixed and fixed in ardour 2 this spring/summer (can't quite remember). Not > super happy with the sound, but it was a mess before the mixing process, so > quite satisfied after all. > > Hope you enjoy! > > https://alphatross.bandcamp.com/ > > Regards, > Arve Some very nice work here. Seriously heavy! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Nov 5 20:52:08 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:52:08 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] a bunch of songs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131105205208.26d47206@debian> On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 09:51:56 +0100 Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Just wanted to share some recently finished music, it's been taking > ages, but finally got around to complete it. > This time around with a complete band! All recorded and mixed with > Linux, of course. > > https://thewunderbaum.bandcamp.com/ > or > https://play.spotify.com/artist/7GbEsZw2bLgJW8khabgPLx > > Hope you like it, > Robert > Finally got to listen to these. Quite a varied range. Although I don't speak any Swedish I actually found I liked 'Andra sidan sj?n' the most. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Nov 5 21:04:58 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 21:04:58 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131105210458.33cd54fa@debian> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:53:22 +0100 "rosea.grammostola" wrote: > Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has > released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. > > During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural > freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and > recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio > Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at > once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are > one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. > > The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software > on GNU/Linux. > Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for > mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. > > Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht > www.magnetophon.nl > > Video clip Off The Chart: > http://www.munk050.com/ > > The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: > http://www.munk050.com/music/ > > Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of 5 > -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks for > your support! > > Munk! > Enjoyed the music, but got the feeling that the vocals were too far back in the mix. Also 'top end' seems weak - probably due to the mic placing etc. Interesting venue, and i would think quite inspiring. I get the feeling that in 'Sunguruba' everyone was just totally chilled and having fun - possibly with liquid assistance :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From harryhaaren at gmail.com Tue Nov 5 23:08:00 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:08:00 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > Here it is, played live: > Nice, listened to it while doing some coding: enjoyed it :) -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Nov 6 08:01:10 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:01:10 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <20131105174835.GA4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <54590.86.105.94.1.1383655793.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <20131105174835.GA4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <35733.86.105.94.1.1383724870.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Wed, November 6, 2013 4:48 am, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:49:53PM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> On Tue, November 5, 2013 11:43 am, Ken Restivo wrote: >> > Here it is, played live: >> > >> > https://vimeo.com/78583355 >> > >> > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our >> bass >> > player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind me, not >> > seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the >> > synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to >> switch >> > patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. >> > >> > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, >> many >> > LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. >> > >> > We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each >> other, >> > which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because >> of >> > that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. >> > >> > If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version >> too. >> > >> >> Sounds better live. To my ear there is a lot more warmth with the live >> element. Crowd and visuals give added appeal. While you're in that >> time >> period you don't have a video of that impromptu jam you did with Mike >> Franti by any chance? > > Wait, what? > > I've worked with a few people who've worked with Franti (that's kind of > inevitable around the Bay Area), but not with him directly. > Sorry, It was "Radioactive" from Spearhead not Franti. 1 step removed... http://djcj.org/audio/lam/lam-tracks-2008/22-audiobraille-radioactive.ogg http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=555 -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Nov 6 08:03:31 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:03:31 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <20131105174835.GA4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <54590.86.105.94.1.1383655793.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <20131105174835.GA4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <35804.86.105.94.1.1383725011.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Wed, November 6, 2013 4:48 am, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:49:53PM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> On Tue, November 5, 2013 11:43 am, Ken Restivo wrote: >> > Here it is, played live: >> > >> > https://vimeo.com/78583355 >> > >> > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our >> bass >> > player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind me, not >> > seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the >> > synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to >> switch >> > patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. >> > >> > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, >> many >> > LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. >> > >> > We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each >> other, >> > which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because >> of >> > that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. >> > >> > If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version >> too. >> > >> >> Sounds better live. To my ear there is a lot more warmth with the live >> element. Crowd and visuals give added appeal. While you're in that >> time >> period you don't have a video of that impromptu jam you did with Mike >> Franti by any chance? > > Wait, what? > > I've worked with a few people who've worked with Franti (that's kind of > inevitable around the Bay Area), but not with him directly. > Sorry, It was "Radioactive" from Spearhead not Franti. 1 step removed... http://djcj.org/audio/lam/lam-tracks-2008/22-audiobraille-radioactive.ogg http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=555 -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Nov 6 08:35:30 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:35:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <20131105210458.33cd54fa@debian> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <20131105210458.33cd54fa@debian> Message-ID: <5279FF52.4070209@gmail.com> On 11/05/2013 10:04 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:53:22 +0100 > "rosea.grammostola" wrote: > >> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has >> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. >> >> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural >> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and >> recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio >> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at >> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are >> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software >> on GNU/Linux. >> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for >> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. >> >> Recorded& mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht >> www.magnetophon.nl >> >> Video clip Off The Chart: >> http://www.munk050.com/ >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions, music& artwork: >> http://www.munk050.com/music/ >> >> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of 5 >> -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks for >> your support! >> >> Munk! >> > Enjoyed the music, but got the feeling that the vocals were too far back in the > mix. Also 'top end' seems weak - probably due to the mic placing etc. > Interesting venue, and i would think quite inspiring. I get the feeling that in > 'Sunguruba' everyone was just totally chilled and having fun - possibly with > liquid assistance :) > I think you talk about different music... :) Dirk From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Nov 6 08:38:29 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:38:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <20131105175849.GC4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> <20131105175849.GC4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <527A0005.10007@gmail.com> On 11/05/2013 06:58 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:53:22AM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has >> released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. >> >> During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural >> freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week >> and recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio >> Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at >> once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are >> one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free >> software on GNU/Linux. >> Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for >> mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. >> >> Recorded& mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht >> www.magnetophon.nl >> >> Video clip Off The Chart: >> http://www.munk050.com/ >> >> The Magnetophon Sessions, music& artwork: >> http://www.munk050.com/music/ >> >> Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range >> of 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, >> thanks for your support! >> > I liked it, bought it, downloaded it. > > Only complaint is that the flute sounds out of tune on track #3. > > Other than that, I enjoyed the ska jazz! > > -ken Hi Ken, I like the fact that you like our music! :) That's because I like your stuff and attitude as well, especially when you was more active a few years ago. Hm we'll relisten and discuss the out-of-tuneness in the band, thx. Regards, Dirk From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Nov 6 18:27:16 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 05:27:16 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] cubieboard dac module Message-ID: <65128.86.105.89.228.1383762436.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Hi, Some of you might be interested in this: http://cubieboard.org/2013/10/18/g2-labs-has-released-a-dac-module-for-cubieboard/ The cubieboard runs on software provided by the opensource linux-sunxi project including build support packages and kernels for several Linux distros, and various "mobile" OS's including android, tizen, ubuntu. http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page The processor is Allwinner's sun "x" i (arm) series the latest of which (a31) are quad core. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From dplist at free.fr Thu Nov 7 00:54:51 2013 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 01:54:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131107015451.d0ad9ac7bc341f2e932729bd@free.fr> On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:43:39 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > Here it is, played live: > > https://vimeo.com/78583355 > > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our > bass player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind > me, not seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control > all the synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the > Novation to switch patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle > through them. > > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, > many LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. Hi, What is your bass sound made of ? It's not overwhelmingly synthy, I like it. Thanks ! -- David From ken at restivo.org Thu Nov 7 02:22:07 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:22:07 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <20131107015451.d0ad9ac7bc341f2e932729bd@free.fr> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131107015451.d0ad9ac7bc341f2e932729bd@free.fr> Message-ID: <20131107022207.GA3756@tf101> On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 01:54:51AM +0100, David wrote: > On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:43:39 -0800 > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Here it is, played live: > > > > https://vimeo.com/78583355 > > > > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our > > bass player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind > > me, not seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control > > all the synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the > > Novation to switch patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle > > through them. > > > > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, > > many LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. > > Hi, > > What is your bass sound made of ? It's not overwhelmingly synthy, I > like it. > > Thanks ! It's a fluidsynth sampled fretless bass. -ken From ken at restivo.org Thu Nov 7 02:24:36 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:24:36 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <35804.86.105.94.1.1383725011.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <54590.86.105.94.1.1383655793.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <20131105174835.GA4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <35804.86.105.94.1.1383725011.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20131107022436.GB3756@tf101> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:03:31PM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > On Wed, November 6, 2013 4:48 am, Ken Restivo wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:49:53PM +1100, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> On Tue, November 5, 2013 11:43 am, Ken Restivo wrote: > >> > Here it is, played live: > >> > > >> > https://vimeo.com/78583355 > >> > > >> > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our > >> bass > >> > player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind me, not > >> > seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the > >> > synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to > >> switch > >> > patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. > >> > > >> > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, > >> many > >> > LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. > >> > > >> > We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each > >> other, > >> > which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because > >> of > >> > that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. > >> > > >> > If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version > >> too. > >> > > >> > >> Sounds better live. To my ear there is a lot more warmth with the live > >> element. Crowd and visuals give added appeal. While you're in that > >> time > >> period you don't have a video of that impromptu jam you did with Mike > >> Franti by any chance? > > > > Wait, what? > > > > I've worked with a few people who've worked with Franti (that's kind of > > inevitable around the Bay Area), but not with him directly. > > > > > Sorry, It was "Radioactive" from Spearhead not Franti. 1 step removed... > > http://djcj.org/audio/lam/lam-tracks-2008/22-audiobraille-radioactive.ogg > > http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=555 > > Oh yeah, that was a fun night. -ken From espiritocz at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 06:13:02 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:13:02 +0800 Subject: [LAU] mini midi box? Message-ID: Hi, lately, I have seen many projects showing linux (or android) onboard on some small box including processor and some audio inputs/outputs.. Okay, but does anybody know about such box that would include MIDI input? 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My Linux laptop was behind me, not > >> > seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the > >> > synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to > >> switch > >> > patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. > >> > > >> > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, > >> many > >> > LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. > >> > > >> > We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each > >> other, > >> > which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because > >> of > >> > that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. > >> > > >> > If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version > >> too. > >> > > >> > >> Sounds better live. To my ear there is a lot more warmth with the live > >> element. Crowd and visuals give added appeal. While you're in that > >> time > >> period you don't have a video of that impromptu jam you did with Mike > >> Franti by any chance? > > > > Wait, what? > > > > I've worked with a few people who've worked with Franti (that's kind of > > inevitable around the Bay Area), but not with him directly. > > > > > Sorry, It was "Radioactive" from Spearhead not Franti. 1 step removed... > > http://djcj.org/audio/lam/lam-tracks-2008/22-audiobraille-radioactive.ogg > > http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=555 > Hmm, the above file is 404. Here's the track: https://archive.org/download/AudiobrailleWebDemos/audiobraille-radioactive-128.mp3 -ken From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Nov 7 07:44:05 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:44:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] cubieboard dac module In-Reply-To: <65128.86.105.89.228.1383762436.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <65128.86.105.89.228.1383762436.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <527B44C5.9090308@autostatic.com> On 06-11-13 19:27, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > Some of you might be interested in this: > > http://cubieboard.org/2013/10/18/g2-labs-has-released-a-dac-module-for-cubieboard/ > I've seen it. Pricey audiophile stuff. If they'd release a module that has ?" TS connectors at instrument level I'll be the first to buy it. There are similar projects being set up for the RPi by the way: http://www.crazy-audio.com/projects/hifiberry-mini/ http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-accessories/wolfson_pi > The cubieboard runs on software provided by the opensource linux-sunxi > project including build support packages and kernels for several Linux > distros, and various "mobile" OS's including android, tizen, ubuntu. > > http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page > > The processor is Allwinner's sun "x" i (arm) series the latest of which > (a31) are quad core. > I've been testing a Cubieboard2 the last three months. It's an awesome device, I can recommend it if you're planning to use an ARM based embedded device for musical projects. It's powerful, has audio IO, runs very well and stable with a RT kernel, is easy to hack and performs very well with JACK running at low latencies. The onboard audio has no problems running at -p64 (you need a patch for the codec though). Best, Jeremy > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ken at restivo.org Thu Nov 7 08:18:53 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:18:53 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Audio in KVM? Message-ID: <20131107081853.GB6706@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> I'm thinking about mixing down some old stuff, dredging out some old ideas and finishing them up. Alas, though, my old studio laptop is gone (it's been my daughter's for years now, and has long since been wiped). I have a great new i7 laptop, but I've got it set up for Work Stuff and I'm not changing that. Nor do I want to reboot it to do music stuff; I'd only do that for only an hour here and there rarely, and wouldn't want to lose my environment (read: emacs session, mosh sessions, and Firefox/Chrome tabs) and bring it all back. What I'd really like is to run something like AVLinux inside KVM, with just enough resources to run Ardour and some plugins and maybe low-resource synths. I can book AVLinux just fine, but the problem I've had is that I cannot for the life of me get audio working. I get errors from KVM. Has anyone successfully gotten audio to work from inside of a KVM VM? Is there any special magick I need to do to get this happening? Also, I understand that if I'm not running a RT kernel on the host machine, I won't get RT performance on the VM's, but I don't think I need that for mixing. Are there any reasons why running say an Ingo kernel inside a KVM box wouldn't work? -ken From sakrecoer at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 09:00:26 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 10:00:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131105202721.628752e3@debian> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <20131105175549.GB4364@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131105135716.1ef48154c9a9787f90062f98@brainiac.com> <20131105202721.628752e3@debian> Message-ID: <527B56AA.8020205@gmail.com> On 2013-11-05 21:27, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:57:16 -0500 > Joe Hartley wrote: > >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:55:49 -0800 >> Ken Restivo wrote: >> >>> I saw a mastering video with a guy who charges US$1k/song or something, and his "secret weapon" was a 2-track 1/4" deck. He'd dump the master mix from ProTools to the 1/4" deck at like 30ips, resample it back, and that got him the sweet lucrative loving he wanted from his customers. >> >> Because mmmmm, tape compression. You can fake it in digital, but it's not >> the same. >> >>> I thought, wow. You take a medium in which even cheap consumer crap has effectively perfect resolution, and dump it to a medium with basically 12-bits resolution (analog tape), and then A/D it back, and that's "the sound" they wanted. >> >> Bob Katz begs to differ: > > Reading his comments I get the strong feeling he will say whatever gets him the > most money. I've worked with 30ips machines. They are a total nightmare, and > while a wide tape width improves noise, it actually detracts from frequency > response (it would take an entire article to explain why). > > People usually use tape these days to add 2nd order harmonic distortion (warmth) > and saturation distortion (compression). If you really want that, both can be > had more reliably by alternative means. > One very often disregarded ingredient of a happy customer to a master studio, is a kickass sales man :) Everybody knows water is better for the body than soda. Yet, most of us prefer buying soda. Because it tastes "better" and contains sugar! Tastes, Sounds and colours etc.. are abstract and individual sensations: they are easily manipulated with discourse. While i find it interesting and sometimes amusing, I have never been fund of definitions of aesthetic, or attempts to encircle the very nature of "quality". Like i said i find it interesting, because it muses my thoughts. But given to people with less confidence in what their own appreciation is all about is dangerous, when not evil. Best regards, Set From atte at youmail.dk Thu Nov 7 09:54:39 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 10:54:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: <527B635F.3080204@youmail.dk> On 10/28/2013 09:47 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: > Those guys should check out my album, this is exactly why I made it - to > promote Linux Audio and to show that you can do this kind of music on it: > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=another_reality Thanks, will give it a listen! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From tim at quitte.de Thu Nov 7 13:10:56 2013 From: tim at quitte.de (Tim Goetze) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:10:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] More old crazed jazz In-Reply-To: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: [Ken Restivo] >Found this little gem, covered with obvious mistakes, (which is why >it was never really published) but still interesting if you like >weird jazz in odd meters: > >http://storage.restivo.org/music/Cronies/suite-2007-11-06.ogg Lovely! I'm not hearing many mistakes to be honest, I'd rather call such opportunities challenges to make musical sense of. Thanks, Tim From nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it Thu Nov 7 19:07:48 2013 From: nicola.di.marzo at vodafone.it (Nicola) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:07:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Audio in KVM? In-Reply-To: <20131107081853.GB6706@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131107081853.GB6706@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <527BE504.6000408@vodafone.it> On 07/11/13 08:18, Ken Restivo wrote: > I'm thinking about mixing down some old stuff, dredging out some old ideas and finishing them up. > > Alas, though, my old studio laptop is gone (it's been my daughter's for years now, and has long since been wiped). > > I have a great new i7 laptop, but I've got it set up for Work Stuff and I'm not changing that. Nor do I want to reboot it to do music stuff; I'd only do that for only an hour here and there rarely, and wouldn't want to lose my environment (read: emacs session, mosh sessions, and Firefox/Chrome tabs) and bring it all back. > > What I'd really like is to run something like AVLinux inside KVM, with just enough resources to run Ardour and some plugins and maybe low-resource synths. I can book AVLinux just fine, but the problem I've had is that I cannot for the life of me get audio working. I get errors from KVM. > > Has anyone successfully gotten audio to work from inside of a KVM VM? Is there any special magick I need to do to get this happening? Hi Ken, I was able to get audio working in Kvm using spice instead of vnc. Basically you should set up "spice" in display-vnc reachable from the guest details in VMM. I've never experimented using it in real time i've just loaded some old projects i did with reaper years ago and it did work (ignoring the latency while recording of course). Hope it helps Regards, Nicola > > Also, I understand that if I'm not running a RT kernel on the host machine, I won't get RT performance on the VM's, but I don't think I need that for mixing. Are there any reasons why running say an Ingo kernel inside a KVM box wouldn't work? > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From atte at youmail.dk Fri Nov 8 13:36:40 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:36:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1382530686.24476.8.camel@eviltwin> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1382530686.24476.8.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <527CE8E8.4070504@youmail.dk> On 10/23/2013 02:18 PM, Jan Depner wrote: > On a related yet unrelated note, I have two of these I might be interested in getting one or two of these, but from reading this thread, it's not clear to me exactly what works and how robust it is under linux. Could someone please fill me in ? -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Fri Nov 8 14:00:12 2013 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:00:12 -0600 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <527CE8E8.4070504@youmail.dk> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1382530686.24476.8.camel@eviltwin> <527CE8E8.4070504@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <1383919212.25519.6.camel@eviltwin> On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 14:36 +0100, Atte wrote: > On 10/23/2013 02:18 PM, Jan Depner wrote: > > > On a related yet unrelated note, I have two of these > > I might be interested in getting one or two of these, but from reading > this thread, it's not clear to me exactly what works and how robust it > is under linux. > > Could someone please fill me in ? > I have no idea if the R16 works as an interface or as a controller under Linux. What I use mine for is to record my band live and then dump the 24 bit/44.1KHz audio to my hard drive. I then import the WAV files to Ardour and mix them. With the exception of the line level problem that I addressed here https://googledrive.com/host/0Bw2lTTCOj0kBeGdrbGVqNXJaODA/ZR16.html I have had no problem with them. I did move up to 32GB SDHC cards so I could record a 4 hour gig. From arnold at arnoldarts.de Fri Nov 8 20:11:46 2013 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:11:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audio in KVM? In-Reply-To: <20131107081853.GB6706@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131107081853.GB6706@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131108211146.5ea78e76@orinoco> Am Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:18:53 -0800 schrieb Ken Restivo : > Has anyone successfully gotten audio to work from inside of a KVM VM? > Is there any special magick I need to do to get this happening? kvm allows to forward both pci and usb devices into virtual machines. For usb its limited to usb1 but for playing back 2 channels, that should be enough and it can be configured without restarting the host (afair). Or you could do a minimal jack+jacknet setup on the host and send the audio from guest to host via network. > Also, I understand that if I'm not running a RT kernel on the host > machine, I won't get RT performance on the VM's, but I don't think I > need that for mixing. Are there any reasons why running say an Ingo > kernel inside a KVM box wouldn't work? I don't see why it shouldn't work. But if your host doesn't provide RT to the guest, why go the hazzle with the guest? - Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The other reason is: "Why pay for water!!" -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From seablaede at gmail.com Sun Nov 10 11:41:27 2013 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 06:41:27 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Community Interaction and Working Together In-Reply-To: References: <1379673505.4368.144.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Harry van Haaren wrote: > > I'd also like to get feedback from users, about what tools are needed > most: plugins, synths, effects? Yet-Another-DAW? > If any of the above, please provide details / intended use-case. > > Since you asked and it was recommended to me some time back to chat with you about this... ;) The state of audio restoration tools on Linux is abysmal. The short version is, nothing on Linux comes close to options in other OSes. There are some options to run via Wine (ie. I run WaveARTs plugins via Wine) but many more options that do not (ie. iZotope). The tools I can think of... Hum/Buzz Removal -- Essentially Notch filters, that are harmonically linked. Broadband Noise Removal -- Even a good multiband gate can help, as that is close to what WaveARTs MRNoise is, and it is noticeably better than options on Linux. I am not sure what iZotope does for it's destructive process, but I believe is also a form of multiband gating. Click/Pop removal -- Not something I use a lot, so can't comment here Expander -- A decent expander is surprisingly difficult to come by. Most options on Linux are gates instead of true expanders, and the expanders I can find like Calf, I haven't been to happy with the results I have been able to get out of it. I would suggest looking at MRNoise from WaveARTs for a great example of this, it honestly is one of the best expanders I have used. There is one last component to this, which is a destructive environment to work in, actually non-realtime is a better term for what I am looking for. Believe it or not this is one of the few areas I personally believe a non-realtime workflow is better than realtime/non-destructive. I prefer being able to find areas with a spectrograph to sample to set my multiband gating process off of, and then apply to areas in the same way. I prefer to do this non-realtime because in the same audio clip delivered to me by a video editor, I may need to do this multiple times, with different settings each time, for each edit point they have at times. The workflow I would ideally see is the ability to open the file in the editor, apply Hi/Lo-pass filtering as appropriate, hum and buzz removal if needed, sample a section of audio for setting any appropriate settings for hum/buzz and for broadband noise removal, then finally remove the noise via multiband gating or whatever. The last step for me personally is downwards expansion to hopefully provide just a slight amount more cleanup at the end. The use case is pretty much a given for anyone that gets video from editors in any form(But especially dialog), and has to edit the audio together. It also works wonders if used appropriately on field recordings for SFX, Dialog, etc. It is the one thing I wasn't able to stay in Linux for when working on the recent Tube trailer. So that should be a few years worth of work for you, should you choose to accept it:) Seablade -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for sharing and keep rocking! 2013/11/5 Will Godfrey > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:30:42 +0100 > Arve Barsnes wrote: > > > Hello all! > > > > Just released a debut release by a band I'm in last weekend, which I just > > realised is pretty much a linux project. Everything was recorded straight > > to harddrive through an analog mixer. So not an analog studio, but a > > computerless studio anyway. > > > > Drums recorded live with the rest of the instruments playing along in the > > room, so a lot of guitars and bass on the drum tracks, so was quite a > > challenge massaging the drums into sounding like drums without > interfering > > with the guitars (which we recorded on top of the drums afterwards the > same > > day). Everything recorded in two evenings a cold weekend earlier this > year. > > > > Mixed and fixed in ardour 2 this spring/summer (can't quite remember). > Not > > super happy with the sound, but it was a mess before the mixing process, > so > > quite satisfied after all. > > > > Hope you enjoy! > > > > https://alphatross.bandcamp.com/ > > > > Regards, > > Arve > > Some very nice work here. Seriously heavy! > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Everything recorded in two evenings a cold weekend earlier this year. > > Mixed and fixed in ardour 2 this spring/summer (can't quite remember). Not > super happy with the sound, but it was a mess before the mixing process, so > quite satisfied after all. > > Hope you enjoy! > > https://alphatross.bandcamp.com/ just great, where can I buy the vinyl? I mean it. On the peril you hate it: Blown away raised the very same feelings in me, I had when I first listened to Kyuss' Blues for the Red Sun aeons ago. Technically speaking I see some room for improvement though. The overall sound is just right, Drums *could* have more punch but this is a matter of taste methinks. And the performance gets thru in a quite direct and effective way. Much better than some sterile overpolished Stuff as known from FooFighters and the like. Another matter are some glitches I dare to hear, there seems to be an unvolutary hickup in Blown Away at around 3:00. If it is intended, I would make it more extreme. The bass at the beginning of the Real sounds a bit well... undecided. Still I want the vinyl, give to me it! Any chance to see you in Germany? Berlin? Hannover? I'd be there and as Bender would say: damn the expense! best regards, rock it! HZN > > Regards, > Arve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From arve.barsnes at gmail.com Tue Nov 12 19:41:51 2013 From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:41:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Some heavy metal/rock'n'roll In-Reply-To: <52828063.3070009@linuxuse.de> References: <52828063.3070009@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: On 12 November 2013 20:24, Hartmut Noack wrote: > just great, where can I buy the vinyl? I mean it. > On the peril you hate it: Blown away raised the very same feelings in > me, I had when I first listened to Kyuss' Blues for the Red Sun aeons ago. > Technically speaking I see some room for improvement though. The overall > sound is just right, Drums *could* have more punch but this is a matter > of taste methinks. And the performance gets thru in a quite direct and > effective way. Much better than some sterile overpolished Stuff as known > from FooFighters and the like. > > Another matter are some glitches I dare to hear, there seems to be an > unvolutary hickup in Blown Away at around 3:00. If it is intended, I > would make it more extreme. The bass at the beginning of the Real sounds > a bit well... undecided. > > Still I want the vinyl, give to me it! > Any chance to see you in Germany? Berlin? Hannover? I'd be there and as > Bender would say: damn the expense! > > Thanks for the comments Hartmut (and others that have mailed earlier!) I couldn't hear the glitch at 3:00 in Blown Away, but for sure there are several that escaped my attention. Maybe you're talking about the chinks in the solo right before this? The bass at the beginning of The Real is unfortunately quite the mistake, it was initially forgotten when recording the bass, and was recorded after the guitars were done in a rather non-optimal rushed way. Maybe we will redo it some day. I wish we could afford to press up some vinyl, but that stuff is expensive! We do have CDs available though. If we get moving down the continent I'll bring you one ;) Or possible will be made available for sale on the bandcamp soon, will have to look into that (not me that sits on the stock). Regards, Arve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Papers can focus on technical, artistic and scientific issues and should target developers or users. In our call for music, we are looking for works that have been produced or composed entirely/mostly using Linux. The online submission of papers, workshops, music and installations is now open at http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2014/participation The Deadline for all submissions is January 27th, 2014 (23:59 HAST). You are invited to register for participation on our conference website. There you will find up-to-date instructions, as well as important information about dates, travel, lodging, and so on. This year's conference is hosted by the ZKM | Institute for Music und Acoustics (IMA). The IMA is a forum for international discourse and exchange and combines artistic work with research and development in the context of electroacoustic music. By holding concerts, symposia and festivals on a regular basis it brings together composers, musicians, musicologists, music software developers and listeners interested in contemporary music. Artists in Residence and software developers work on their productions in studios at the institute. With digital sound synthesis, algorithmic composition, live-electronics up to radio plays, interactive sound installations and audiovisual productions their creations cover a broad range of what digital technology can inspire the musical fantasy to. The ZKM is proud to be the place of the LAC for the fifth time after having initiated the conference in 2003. http://www.zkm.de/musik We look forward to seeing you in Karlsruhe in May! Sincerely, The LAC 2014 Organizing Team From brent at keycorner.org Wed Nov 13 23:13:09 2013 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:13:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] sending weird sysex file Message-ID: For what it's worth, I did finally discover why Simple Sysexer, JSynthLib, and just about every other method I've tried (including even hardware, such as the MDR sysex recorder built into the Yamaha SY99) were unable to transmit my patch bank to the Siel DK600, but the Linux 'amidi' command could: It's made up of alternating Midi CC's and sysex dumps in the same file, about 90 of them ("CC...sysex...CC...sysex..."). Apparently, since the Siel DK600 cannot receive whole patch banks and it needs to be prepared to receive just one patch with a Midi CC command, if you want to dump all 90 patches, you need a file that contains just such a weird chain of CC's and single patch dumps. It comes to only about 4kB, but such a file confuses just about any higher level utility, or at the very least makes them skip the necessary CC's and just send the sysexes. Amidi is raw enough that it doesn't care what it's transmitting, so it just works. But that brings me back to amidi's wanting to try to just grab the Midi device, which makes it not work when Jack is running. So what I need is a Jack-aware app (or at least an Alsa Midi app that doesn't grab the device exclusively) that's smart enough to work with Jack but still dumb enough to not care if what it's transmitting. -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From mickski56 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 13 23:30:52 2013 From: mickski56 at hotmail.com (mickski) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [LAU] sending weird sysex file References: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:13:09 -0600, Brent Busby wrote: > For what it's worth, I did finally discover why Simple Sysexer, > JSynthLib, and just about every other method I've tried (including even > hardware, such as the MDR sysex recorder built into the Yamaha SY99) > were unable to transmit my patch bank to the Siel DK600, but the Linux > 'amidi' command could: It's made up of alternating Midi CC's and sysex > dumps in the same file, about 90 of them ("CC...sysex...CC...sysex..."). > > Apparently, since the Siel DK600 cannot receive whole patch banks and it > needs to be prepared to receive just one patch with a Midi CC command, > if you want to dump all 90 patches, you need a file that contains just > such a weird chain of CC's and single patch dumps. It comes to only > about 4kB, but such a file confuses just about any higher level utility, > or at the very least makes them skip the necessary CC's and just send > the sysexes. Amidi is raw enough that it doesn't care what it's > transmitting, so it just works. > > But that brings me back to amidi's wanting to try to just grab the Midi > device, which makes it not work when Jack is running. So what I need is > a Jack-aware app (or at least an Alsa Midi app that doesn't grab the > device exclusively) that's smart enough to work with Jack but still dumb > enough to not care if what it's transmitting. I think the virmidi module will do what you want. modprobe snd_seq_virmidi amidi --list-devices connect as required. :-) From csanchezgs at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 12:20:09 2013 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:20:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience Message-ID: Hello dear all LAUers. Time ago I did some research about open source/free software licences: types, pros and cons, etc. I'm reviewing it and, given that I follow and love many of the great projects and applications coded by members of this list, I would love to here you're opinions (pros, cons) and experience in practice and why you chose X licence for your project(s) (business model or enterprise view in mind, 'cause you like it...). I see that the most commons are GPL2 (some don't like yet the v3) and GPL3. And nowadays with so many services in the cloud also AGPL, and MIT or Apache as well with HTML and Javascript libs and artifacts. Thanks as always for sharing your work and knowledge. -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Thu Nov 14 12:38:46 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:38:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> I would like to know, what to do when e.g. icons are under the GPL and they are edited and mixed with artwork, that is under the creative commons? From robin at gareus.org Thu Nov 14 13:02:33 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:02:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5284C9E9.1020705@gareus.org> On 11/14/2013 01:20 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: > Hello dear all LAUers. > > Time ago I did some research about open source/free software licences: > types, pros and cons, etc. I'm reviewing it and, given that I follow > and love many of the great projects and applications coded by members > of this list, I would love to here you're opinions (pros, cons) and > experience in practice and why you chose X licence for your project(s) > (business model or enterprise view in mind, 'cause you like it...). Software concerning infrastructure and inter-operation should *provide freedom to the developer*. Less restrictive licensing (eg. MIT, BSD, public-domain) is important to promote standards (in particular network or communication protocols.) Application software aimed at end-users should *protect the freedom of the user*. Here GPL is appropriate. It ensures that any user will be free to run it (which must include the freedom to modify it e.g. to make it work on future systems,...) amongst other freedoms. From a developer point of view the GPL also provides continuity and allows software to evolve. Personally I either choose the MIT or the GPLv2+ license for all of my projects. The former for libs, the latter for apps (with the usual exceptions, mainly due to re-using code and inheriting licenses). The reason for those two is that they're the only two licenses that I have read, understand and agree with. I have no intention to spend any time reading all of the others licenses cover-to-cover, and I believe that any developer who is using a given license should at least have a basic understanding of [the implications of] the license which mandates reading it completely. I keep an open eye on [new] licenses but have not had any reason to investigate any of them any further. > I see that the most commons are GPL2 (some don't like yet the v3) and > GPL3. And nowadays with so many services in the cloud also AGPL, and > MIT or Apache as well with HTML and Javascript libs and artifacts. > > Thanks as always for sharing your work and knowledge. 2c, robin From brent at keycorner.org Thu Nov 14 15:58:06 2013 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:58:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] sending weird sysex file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013, mickski wrote: > I think the virmidi module will do what you want. > > modprobe snd_seq_virmidi > amidi --list-devices > connect as required. :-) Thanks! -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From csanchezgs at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 19:03:52 2013 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:03:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> References: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: 2013/11/14 Ralf Mardorf : > I would like to know, what to do when e.g. icons are under the GPL and > they are edited and mixed with artwork, that is under the creative > commons? > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user There's a Creative Commons type that I think is more or less compatible with GPL, it would be CC BY, I think. So GPL for code + CC BY for artwork should be a viable choice. I'm not "legaly" 100% sure, but hope it helps. -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From jwm.art.net at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 19:09:21 2013 From: jwm.art.net at gmail.com (James Morris) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:09:21 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> References: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On 14 November 2013 12:38, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I would like to know, what to do when e.g. icons are under the GPL and > they are edited and mixed with artwork, that is under the creative > commons? enjoy the artwork? what else needs to be done? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_%28art%29 > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From robin at gareus.org Thu Nov 14 19:21:21 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:21:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] mixing CC and GPL -- was [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> References: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <528522B1.7090001@gareus.org> On 11/14/2013 01:38 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I would like to know, what to do when e.g. icons are under the GPL and > they are edited and mixed with artwork, that is under the creative > commons? Now we're going from semi-OT to OT :) "Creative Commons" != "Creative Commons" you need to be very specific what version and variant you mean. CC-BY-SA v3.0 can be combined with the GPL, but in general the Creative Common License is not compatible with the GPL. The final product of the remix is unlicensed. Neither GPL nor CC applies. The result cannot be distributed under either license. However, you can distribute individual files. eg. one icon under CC and once icon under GPL in the same package. Each of the works is properly licensed independently. An interesting aspect is that you mix them at runtime. As long as you don't distribute the result (but only display it) it should be fine. but IANAL. Anyway this has been discussed in the past at great length - both here: search the list-archive for "Legalities" or "CC", "GPL", the most recent installment of which is http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2013-June/034002.html as well as on countless places on the web. Just use your favorite search engine and continue at e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html ciao, robin From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Thu Nov 14 20:01:20 2013 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (=?UTF-8?B?UGhpbCBIw6l6YWluZQ==?=) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:01:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] mixing CC and GPL -- was [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: <528522B1.7090001@gareus.org> References: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> <528522B1.7090001@gareus.org> Message-ID: <52852C10.6030206@free.fr> Le 14/11/2013 20:21, Robin Gareus a ?crit : > On 11/14/2013 01:38 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> I would like to know, what to do when e.g. icons are under the GPL and >> they are edited and mixed with artwork, that is under the creative >> commons? > > Now we're going from semi-OT to OT :) > > "Creative Commons" != "Creative Commons" you need to be very specific > what version and variant you mean. CC-BY-SA v3.0 can be combined with > the GPL, but in general the Creative Common License is not compatible > with the GPL. The final product of the remix is unlicensed. Neither GPL > nor CC applies. The result cannot be distributed under either license. > > However, you can distribute individual files. eg. one icon under CC and > once icon under GPL in the same package. Each of the works is properly > licensed independently. An interesting aspect is that you mix them at > runtime. As long as you don't distribute the result (but only display > it) it should be fine. but IANAL. > > Anyway this has been discussed in the past at great length - both here: > search the list-archive for "Legalities" or "CC", "GPL", the most recent > installment of which is > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2013-June/034002.html > as well as on countless places on the web. Just use your favorite > search engine and continue at e.g. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html > > ciao, > robin My point of view for a user (not a developer) who shares his artistic production is to use the Free Art license which is recommended by the FSF. One great advantage of this license is to take the 'Berne's Convention' into account. I think this isn't the case for CC. in English: http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en also in German, Spanish, Portuguese or Polish. my 2 cents. Phil. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Nov 14 20:15:45 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:15:45 +0000 Subject: [LAU] More old crazed jazz In-Reply-To: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131114201545.6b470b23@debian> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:10:52 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > Cleaning out hard drives again. > > Found this little gem, covered with obvious mistakes, (which is why it was never really published) but still interesting if you like weird jazz in odd meters: > > http://storage.restivo.org/music/Cronies/suite-2007-11-06.ogg > > Linux content is all the keyboards, which are: fluidsynth, two crazy AMS patches, jconv, jack-rack, etc. > > Warning: it's 18 minutes long. > > Part of it is in 11/4. There's also a nice windshield wiper moment where 3 bars of 5/4 are overlaid on 2 bars of 5/4. > > The end of this epic beast consists of a cover of "Morning Bell" by Radiohead. > > -ken Well it took some time to get around to listening to this, but I finally made it! I very much enjoyed listening to all 18 minutes. Good jazz is something I really appreciate, and this is both good and original. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Nov 14 20:52:27 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:52:27 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Live video of that progressive jazz monstrosity In-Reply-To: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131105004339.GA16495@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131114205227.6ee62203@debian> On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:43:39 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > Here it is, played live: > > https://vimeo.com/78583355 > > I was playing playing bass and keyboards simultaneously there; our bass player had another gig that night. My Linux laptop was behind me, not seen; this was after I'd set up the MIDI keyboard to control all the synths. But it was right before I set up buttons on the Novation to switch patches quickly, so I was twiddling knobs to cycle through them. > > Synths/tools played in the video are fluidsynth, jack-rack, jconv, many LADSPA plugins, nekostring, and AMS. > > We were set up on stage wrong; the drummer and I couldn't see each other, which annoyed both of us, and there were all kinds of missteps because of that. But this is the best live video I have of that peice. > > If you enjoyed the studio version, you might like the live version too. > > -ken 'kinnel! You're using *both* hands... asynchronously... and half the time not looking! Careful Ken. People might get the idea you know what you're doing :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Nov 15 08:12:43 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:12:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The future of realtime Linux Message-ID: <1384503163.661.4.camel@archlinux> http://lwn.net/Articles/572740/ From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Nov 15 08:13:24 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:13:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] mixing CC and GPL -- was [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: <528522B1.7090001@gareus.org> References: <1384432726.722.33.camel@archlinux> <528522B1.7090001@gareus.org> Message-ID: <1384503204.661.6.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 20:21 +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > The result cannot be distributed under either license. That's what I wanted to know, thank you and everybody else. It can happen that the basic icon is from a GPL'ed package, but something needs to be added to the icon, that is licensed under the Creative Commons. From gheskett at wdtv.com Fri Nov 15 08:52:10 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:52:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] The future of realtime Linux In-Reply-To: <1384503163.661.4.camel@archlinux> References: <1384503163.661.4.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <201311150352.10801.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Friday 15 November 2013 03:26:18 Ralf Mardorf did opine: > http://lwn.net/Articles/572740/ > This concerns the linuxcnc folks, including me. However PREEMPT-RT isn't the only method and in fact is far from the best to gain some high speed IO. Paolo has finally understood that RTAI needs to be brought up to date, and I am hearing rumors that it has even been built on a 3.10 kernel. Alternatively the Xenomai patches are working reasonably well, ISTR I did a test build of 3.8.3 +Xenomai on my lappy, and while it could have run a machine, the lappy doesn't have a parport, and its cpu doesn't have even the iron an Atom board has, so that got wiped when I put Mate 14 on it. Right now, the "gold card" motherboard for us running machinery in real time is from the Atom cpu camp, where latencies for a 50 kilohertz base_thread are the usual bell curve shaped, with 99.9% of the tasks completed within 2 u-secs of scheduled, worst case perhaps 7 u-secs when the machine is doing something else. Like opening a new screen in firefox. This is running that 2.6.32-122-rtai kernel we've been using since 8.04 ubuntu LTS. But thats a poor kernel for everyday use, no PAE. From the development work going on in linuxcnc right now, its looking like we may have found our next platform in the BeagleBone Black when a suitable bit/pin oriented cape is shipping. This of course won't do for audio since we do IO a bit at a time independent of any other bit in its copious IO space. Several of them are running production milling machines right now using homemade IO hardware. For a $45 USD cost, board about the size of a credit card, thats amazing. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) He who has the courage to laugh is almost as much a master of the world as he who is ready to die. -- Giacomo Leopardi A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From kvutter at frii.com Fri Nov 15 18:49:18 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:49:18 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Aeolus midi stop changes Message-ID: Hi all! I'm wanting to use Aeolus's MIDI controller 98 function to change individule stops. However, In order to easily send single controller values, I'm wondering about using program change instead. Can I configure it that way now, or would that require code changes? I know program change is currently used for presets, but could this be user-selectable perhaps, so that one could use it for registration instead? Or again, is that already possible? Since I can't see, I'll have to have sighted assistance with it, so if this can be done currently, any guidance would be helpful.I very much appreciate the text interface! Thank you very much for that. I'm hoping to be able to include registrations in my song files using MIDISH as well. I hope to have a recording to share shortly. Thank you for this instrument! I'm enjoying it very much. Kevin From jason at mancine.net Fri Nov 15 19:25:25 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 11:25:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> Control surface is working in Ardour 3 using A2JMIDID to connect the ports. For Ardour 2, you also need to connect the MCU and SEQ ports to the R16 MIDI out. R16 is now fully functional in linux as a control surface and recording interface! -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87917.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From atte at youmail.dk Fri Nov 15 21:31:19 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:31:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <528692A7.60908@youmail.dk> On 11/15/2013 08:25 PM, jmancine wrote: > R16 is now fully functional in linux as a control surface and recording > interface! That's great, since I'm considering getting one :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at youmail.dk Sat Nov 16 08:22:07 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:22:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> On 11/15/2013 08:25 PM, jmancine wrote: > Control surface is working in Ardour 3 using A2JMIDID to connect the ports. > For Ardour 2, you also need to connect the MCU and SEQ ports to the R16 MIDI > out. > > R16 is now fully functional in linux as a control surface and recording > interface! > Could you list what you had to do? Patching which kernel, etc... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From jason at mancine.net Sat Nov 16 12:35:54 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 04:35:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> Message-ID: I guess most of my posts never hit the mailing list! Wondered why no one was interested. Goto the nabble link at the bottom of the email for extensive info. On Nov 16, 2013 3:23 AM, "Atte-3 [via Linux Audio]" < ml-node+s4202n87921h98 at n7.nabble.com> wrote: > On 11/15/2013 08:25 PM, jmancine wrote: > > Control surface is working in Ardour 3 using A2JMIDID to connect the > ports. > > For Ardour 2, you also need to connect the MCU and SEQ ports to the R16 > MIDI > > out. > > > > R16 is now fully functional in linux as a control surface and recording > > interface! > > > > Could you list what you had to do? Patching which kernel, etc... > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87921.html > To unsubscribe from re Zoom R16, click here > . > NAML > -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87922.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Sat Nov 16 16:15:00 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:15:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] jpmidi, with server mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Rapha?l! Sorry it took me so long to give jpmidi a real try. But I immediately ran into trouble. I loaded a MIDI-file, connected MIDI ports externally using jack_connect and then started the playback, which resulted in an immediate segmentation fault. Compilation and installation were without flaw. Do you have any idea, why that might have happened? The MIDI file in question played fine in Timidity or using aplaymidi to an external device. If you need further information or the file, please let me know. Meanwhile, I'd like to thank you for the work, that you have started on jpmidi. I hope, that you will continue the effort. It is very much appreciated. Kind regards Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From atte at youmail.dk Sun Nov 17 14:29:01 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> On 11/16/2013 01:35 PM, jmancine wrote: > I guess most of my posts never hit the mailing list! Wondered why no > one was interested. Goto the nabble link at the bottom of the email for > extensive info. Hmmm, is that a result of the new "not more than X posts a day" policy? If so, bad idea... Anyways back on topic. So basically it works with the editing of quirks-table.h in kernel 3.6.11, right? But not in duplex mode? Doesn't that mean that you can't record and playback (like recording vocals over existing tracks) at the same time. If so I wouldn't call the r16 "working"... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From jason at mancine.net Sun Nov 17 15:19:41 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 07:19:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> References: <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> I can't imagine many people wanting to use an 8 channel input device for playback, so I think it is safe to consider it "working". :) It may very well work for playback... I haven't tested it other than the first time I started JACK with default settings after recompiling the kernel. I am not sure why you would want to be playing back through the R16 anyway... was it was even designed to do this? Even if it is capable of duplex playback, it would seem counterproductive to try and force it do so while it is recording 8 channels of audio. That said, if there is interest in the R16 as a playback device I can try to get it running... -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87925.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From atte at youmail.dk Sun Nov 17 16:27:16 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:27:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> On 11/17/2013 04:19 PM, jmancine wrote: > That said, if there is interest in the R16 as a playback device I can try to > get it running... Well for overdubbing, which in some projects are the way all tracks would be recorded (the first ones would be sequenced), non-duplex is a deal-breaker. So yeah, if you could confirm it works in duplex, that would be great! That said, my main interest in the r16/r24 is as standalone recorder... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From jason at mancine.net Sun Nov 17 16:58:01 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:58:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> References: <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> I guess I was under the assumption that the standard setup for most linux users includes a playback device... not playing back audio through the recording interface. I don't think the R16 was intended to decode/playback a stereo 24/96 stream while recording 8 individual 24/96 streams... especially through a USB 2.0 connection. So, I may be able to verify if it works, but you would probably find it better to use a separate playback device for monitoring when it comes to the R16, and DAW recording in general. -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87927.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 20:13:58 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 21:13:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape Message-ID: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> Dear LAU, I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. On soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/machine-landscape Direct download of the FLAC file is also available from that soundcloud page OGG file: http://lorenzosu.net/music_sound/machine_landscape/machine_landscape.ogg Machine Landscape presents a sonic experience inspired by 'the machine', predominant and unavoidable element of our contemporary life. The piece was entirely composed with Linux. and was performed at EmuFest 2013 electronic music festival in Rome in October. For the festival the piece was performed on a 24-speaker 'dome' system and spatialised live. For what concerns software Ardour3 and Pure Data had a predominant role. Lorenzo. From moshwe at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 22:10:44 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:10:44 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" Message-ID: Hi all, this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded recently. The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 Everything was done with Linux software. Software I used: Arch Linux Ardour 3 Calf Lv2 effects (several) GxZita_reverb (which I just recently discovered, and what should I say... what a sweeet sounding reverb, new favorite) Also played around with the new meters.lv2 bundle, I think though that I didn't get the full idea of R128 yet. Invada Dynamics processing TAP Everything regarding the Video work was done by my brother Michael. He used KDEnlive to edit the video, also on an Arch machine. Hope you enjoy. Cheers, Moshe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Sun Nov 17 22:25:34 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:25:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Lorenzo! Don't I discover one sound, that I've heard before? The vocodic breathing near the beginning? I've heard that before, but I'm not sure, if that wasone of your pieces as well or not. This is more atmosphere and cinema in my ears than music. But for all that, I like it. There is the disturbing note, that machines usually inspire. In a matter of images it reaches from old steam to the most modern inexplicable in my mind. A few effects remind me of 70s robots, I'm thinking of Marvin the paranoid android, both in the 70s English original and the 80s-90s German translation. Definitely not something I would listen to, while doing anything else or just for a fun five minutes. But I think, it is something, to which I will return. Explore your landscape further, penetrate into the hidden cravesses and electronic sadows. Thanks for sharing this piece. It has been an experience. Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From julien at mail.upb.de Sun Nov 17 22:49:41 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:49:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Moshe! that is a beautiful, little piece of music. I especially liked the soft beginning. The way the sax or is is clarinet - weadled its way into the ear of the listener. So softly played. The overall recording is just fine. Of course I wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the video, but you will excuse that. :-) Honestly: lovely bit of music! Best wishes Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From bob at mellowood.ca Mon Nov 18 00:27:16 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:27:16 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Moshe! > that is a beautiful, little piece of music. I especially liked the soft > beginning. The way the sax or is is clarinet - weadled its way into the ear > of the listener. So softly played. > The overall recording is just fine. Of course I wouldn't be able to tell > you anything about the video, but you will excuse that. :-) > Honestly: lovely bit of music! > Best wishes > Julien > Just to add to Julien's comments .... It's a Soprano sax. And, yes, nicely played. I play that as well, but MUCH LOUDER. http://mellowood.ca/music/videos/index.html#wings I had to stop watching about 1/2 though. I was getting dizzy from the constant panning in the video. But, the song was very well done. Congrats. -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From kvutter at frii.com Mon Nov 18 01:36:03 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:36:03 -0700 Subject: [LAU] First Major Linux Audio Project Message-ID: Hi all! It was suggested that I post this to the list. Having created it for my good LAU friend, Julien, it is here because of his hosting it, for your enjoyment. Click the link below, and choose the Bruhns Prelude and Fugue. There is information there about the production. Thanks all. Comments or suggestions are welcome. 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Nice work on the recording. Very clean. Keep it coming! -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Nov 18 03:38:48 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:38:48 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55497.86.105.89.228.1384745928.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Mon, November 18, 2013 7:13 am, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Dear LAU, > > I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. > > On soundcloud: > https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/machine-landscape > > Direct download of the FLAC file is also available from that soundcloud > page > > OGG file: > http://lorenzosu.net/music_sound/machine_landscape/machine_landscape.ogg > > > Machine Landscape presents a sonic experience inspired by 'the machine', > predominant and unavoidable element of our contemporary life. > > The piece was entirely composed with Linux. > > and was performed at EmuFest 2013 electronic music festival in Rome in > October. For the festival the piece was performed on a 24-speaker 'dome' > system and spatialised live. > > For what concerns software Ardour3 and Pure Data had a predominant role. > Very visually inspiring. Conjures up images of robots and space travel. Maybe a mining colony on the moon or mars. Would make a good soundtrack for a short animation. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From ken at restivo.org Mon Nov 18 04:38:48 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:38:48 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More old crazed jazz In-Reply-To: <20131114201545.6b470b23@debian> References: <20131104031052.GA21640@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131114201545.6b470b23@debian> Message-ID: <20131118043848.GC9510@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 08:15:45PM +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:10:52 -0800 > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Cleaning out hard drives again. > > > > Found this little gem, covered with obvious mistakes, (which is why it was never really published) but still interesting if you like weird jazz in odd meters: > > > > http://storage.restivo.org/music/Cronies/suite-2007-11-06.ogg > > > > Linux content is all the keyboards, which are: fluidsynth, two crazy AMS patches, jconv, jack-rack, etc. > > > > Warning: it's 18 minutes long. > > > > Part of it is in 11/4. There's also a nice windshield wiper moment where 3 bars of 5/4 are overlaid on 2 bars of 5/4. > > > > The end of this epic beast consists of a cover of "Morning Bell" by Radiohead. > > > > -ken > Well it took some time to get around to listening to this, but I finally made > it! > > I very much enjoyed listening to all 18 minutes. Good jazz is something I > really appreciate, and this is both good and original. > I'm glad you enjoyed it! There's a video of it too. Oh, and I just remembered after thinking about it: most of that was written by the drummer, who is also quite a skilled composer and producer as well. I think we added a few small things, improvised around it quite a bit, and of course tacked Radiohead onto the end of it, but most of that composition was Dan's. I think the first three sections (the intro riff, the funky/swing section, and whole-tone scale walkup) were peices he'd written some years before, and I remember when he called me with the idea of the 11/4 section which was added later. The 15/4 section might have been a group composition, and then Radiohead for the last bit. Memory's hazy on all that though. -ken From looplog at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 06:53:09 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:53:09 +0800 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58 AM, jmancine wrote: > but you would probably find it > better to use a separate playback device for monitoring when it comes to > the > R16, and DAW recording in general. > That seems to contradict even my admittedly basic understanding of how digital audio devices work. Mixing unsynced devices for simultaneous I/O is asking for trouble. 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On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > On Mon, November 18, 2013 9:10 am, Moshe Werner wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded > > recently. > > The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 > > > > Everything was done with Linux software. > > > > Software I used: > > > > Arch Linux > > Ardour 3 > > Calf Lv2 effects (several) > > GxZita_reverb (which I just recently discovered, and what should I > > say... > > what a sweeet sounding reverb, new favorite) > > Also played around with the new meters.lv2 bundle, I think though that I > > didn't get the full idea of R128 yet. > > Invada Dynamics processing > > TAP > > > > > > Everything regarding the Video work was done by my brother Michael. > > He used KDEnlive to edit the video, also on an Arch machine. > > > > Hope you enjoy. > > > > > Powerful track. Nice work on the recording. Very clean. > > Keep it coming! > > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 08:56:18 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:56:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5289D632.8000906@gmail.com> Dear Julien, Thanks for your kind words. Well spotted on the 'breathing' at around 0:56 and on is _very_ similar to the one used in The world will note (it's the same Pd path), undoubtedly the two have quite a bit to share I guess in terms of atmosphere and imaginary. The fact you say it was an experience for me is very flattering :) - in fact regarding the definition of 'music' or not, I have decided to address my acousmatic works as sonic experiences and - hopefully - craft them accordingly. Essentially I am interested in developing the intention/idea of 'music' to widen its breadth to a 'sonic experience' which tries to be at the same time 'entertaining' (although the term is somewhat misleading towards something light) and at the same time thought-provoking. As a consequence, yes, you wouldn't probably listen to this as background music (noise? auditory filler?). Lorenzo. On 17/11/2013 23:25, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Lorenzo! > Don't I discover one sound, that I've heard before? The vocodic > breathing near the beginning? I've heard that before, but I'm not sure, > if that wasone of your pieces as well or not. > This is more atmosphere and cinema in my ears than music. But for all > that, I like it. There is the disturbing note, that machines usually > inspire. In a matter of images it reaches from old steam to the most > modern inexplicable in my mind. A few effects remind me of 70s robots, > I'm thinking of Marvin the paranoid android, both in the 70s English > original and the 80s-90s German translation. > Definitely not something I would listen to, while doing anything else > or just for a fun five minutes. But I think, it is something, to which I > will return. Explore your landscape further, penetrate into the hidden > cravesses and electronic sadows. > Thanks for sharing this piece. It has been an experience. > Warm regards > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > Music, creative writing, technical information: > http://juliencoder.de/ From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 09:01:13 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:01:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <55497.86.105.89.228.1384745928.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> <55497.86.105.89.228.1384745928.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <5289D759.7030303@gmail.com> Dear Patrick, On 18/11/2013 04:38, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > On Mon, November 18, 2013 7:13 am, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> Dear LAU, >> >> I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. >> >> On soundcloud: >> https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/machine-landscape >> [...] > Very visually inspiring. Conjures up images of robots and space travel. > Maybe a mining colony on the moon or mars. Wow thanks! Knowing it conjures images is very flattering (see also email to Julien) > > Would make a good soundtrack for a short animation. I guess so, would be interesting to see what a visual artist would create starting from this, essentially doing the opposite of what I've done: starting from the sound and creating the visuals (hint: it _is_ cppyleft... :-) Ideally I like it when a piece like this manages to be self-sufficient without _needing_ images but inspiring them. Ciao, Lorenzo. From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 09:13:56 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:13:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5289DA54.1040602@gmail.com> Hi Moshe, Thanks for sharing, very nice, I enjoyed very much. On 17/11/2013 23:10, Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all, > > this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded > recently. > The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 > > Everything was done with Linux software. I particularly liked the touches you added in the editing, the sound very nice while maintaining the live atmosphere of the piece / video. And well done with doing it 100% Linux :) Lorenzo. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Nov 18 09:48:46 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 04:48:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv Message-ID: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> Greetings, Benoit Rouits improvised a piano part to my Csound piece Arcis : https://soundcloud.com/brouits/arcis-with-piano-improvisation Comments welcome, but please bear in mind that the improv was a 1-take recording. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Nov 18 09:58:54 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 04:58:54 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5289E4DE.5010302@woh.rr.com> On 11/17/2013 03:13 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Dear LAU, > > I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. > > On soundcloud: > https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/machine-landscape A wonderful soundscape, Lorenzo, thank you for sharing. My kind of morning music. :) Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Nov 18 10:02:35 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 05:02:35 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5289E5BB.9030204@woh.rr.com> On 11/17/2013 05:10 PM, Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all, > > this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded > recently. > The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 > Very enjoyable, Moshe ! Excellent work all around, thank you for posting. Best, dp From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Nov 18 10:08:28 2013 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:08:28 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1869357.0PMbqxoHEm@dovidhalevi> On Monday, 18 November, 2013 00:10:44 Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all, > > this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded > recently. > The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 > > Everything was done with Linux software. > > Software I used: > > Arch Linux > Ardour 3 > Calf Lv2 effects (several) > GxZita_reverb (which I just recently discovered, and what should I say... > what a sweeet sounding reverb, new favorite) > Also played around with the new meters.lv2 bundle, I think though that I > didn't get the full idea of R128 yet. > Invada Dynamics processing > TAP > > > Everything regarding the Video work was done by my brother Michael. > He used KDEnlive to edit the video, also on an Arch machine. > > Hope you enjoy. > > Cheers, > > Moshe ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???. ???? ???? ??? ?????? ?????! ??? ???? ?? ?? ?????! ???? ?? ????? ????? ??? ?????. From moshwe at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 11:24:53 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:24:53 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv In-Reply-To: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> References: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Very nice! For us ambient lovers...:) On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings, > > Benoit Rouits improvised a piano part to my Csound piece Arcis : > > https://soundcloud.com/brouits/arcis-with-piano-improvisation > > Comments welcome, but please bear in mind that the improv was a 1-take > recording. > > Best, > > dp > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Nov 18 12:12:19 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:12:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1384776739.1093.6.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 14:53 +0800, michael noble wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58 AM, jmancine wrote: > but you would probably find it > better to use a separate playback device for monitoring when > it comes to the > R16, and DAW recording in general. > > > That seems to contradict even my admittedly basic understanding of how > digital audio devices work. Mixing unsynced devices for simultaneous > I/O is asking for trouble. JACK has no inbuilt capacity for > synchronizing devices, so you will get clock drift and as far as I > know potential sample misalignment between what you are listening to > and what you are recording. Using a single device with the same clock > for both input and output is always preferable, followed by two > devices with some kind of hard sync if possible, followed by an > aggregate driver level (ALSA in Linux) device only if the other > options are unavailable. I've probably made a mess of explaining this, > but there are multiple articles on the web about the importance of > clock sync if you want to read up on it. Professional gear can be synced by hardware and devices that don't have a sync option can be synced by software. I don't remember the name, at least this seems to do the job using libsamplerate: http://jackaudio.org/multiple_devices Wasn't there an app written by Fons too? Regards, Ralf From jason at mancine.net Mon Nov 18 13:42:35 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 05:42:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384776739.1093.6.camel@archlinux> References: <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384776739.1093.6.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: Dont want to stray too far off here, but if that were "asking for trouble" I'd have been out of business many years ago. The sync is fine, one clock becomes master. I have been recording and playing back on separate devices for a long time... As long as various softwares/platforms have supported it, but I am talking back in the days of cramming 3 or 4 soundblasters into PCI slots. I record generally 16 to 32 tracks, mostly overdubs. This year I did a 90 minute film score in two single Ardour sessions with literally thousands of takes and +/- 1 frame accuracy In other words, it is a non-issue. On Nov 18, 2013 7:13 AM, "Ralf Mardorf [via Linux Audio]" < ml-node+s4202n87947h4 at n7.nabble.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 14:53 +0800, michael noble wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58 AM, jmancine <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > but you would probably find it > > better to use a separate playback device for monitoring when > > it comes to the > > R16, and DAW recording in general. > > > > > > That seems to contradict even my admittedly basic understanding of how > > digital audio devices work. Mixing unsynced devices for simultaneous > > I/O is asking for trouble. JACK has no inbuilt capacity for > > synchronizing devices, so you will get clock drift and as far as I > > know potential sample misalignment between what you are listening to > > and what you are recording. Using a single device with the same clock > > for both input and output is always preferable, followed by two > > devices with some kind of hard sync if possible, followed by an > > aggregate driver level (ALSA in Linux) device only if the other > > options are unavailable. I've probably made a mess of explaining this, > > but there are multiple articles on the web about the importance of > > clock sync if you want to read up on it. > > Professional gear can be synced by hardware and devices that don't have > a sync option can be synced by software. I don't remember the name, at > least this seems to do the job using libsamplerate: > http://jackaudio.org/multiple_devices > > Wasn't there an app written by Fons too? > > Regards, > Ralf > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87947.html > To unsubscribe from re Zoom R16, click here > . > NAML > -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87948.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jason at mancine.net Mon Nov 18 15:06:17 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 07:06:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384776739.1093.6.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1384787177552-87951.post@n7.nabble.com> Look, I am just trying to make this device work in Linux. I apologize, but my "normal" setup has never included playback on the recording device -- so that was not a priority in testing the R16, or even on my radar. Obviously, the R16 is low end device that has no clock sync ability whatsoever. It is never going to be perfect, but I haven't noticed enough drift to be noticeable in a week or two of recording and overdubbing with it. Perhaps cheap crystals have gotten better and perform reasonably consistently... perhaps I am just a lucky guy. Regardless, I hope to have it working in full duplex soon. That aside, the generalization that multiple devices can't work is incorrect. There are many devices with hardware sync options... mine happen to use ADAT optical cables to do the job. Even those old soundblasters (or whatever they were) had physical sync cables. It remains a standard on higher end equipment. Back to the topic at hand -- I will try to modify the quirk to support full duplex. Stay tuned. -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87951.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From althompson58 at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 15:54:10 2013 From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:54:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 Message-ID: I can see this being a problem if the multiple devices were all input devices, such as the "multiple Soundblasters" mentioned in a previous post, but if there is a single device used for input, and another device that is used strictly for listening, what problems can be caused? I fail to see how it could cause a problem, even if the clock on the monitor audio chain drifts. michael noble wrote: >_______________________________________________ >Linux-audio-user mailing list >Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at mancine.net Mon Nov 18 16:06:36 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:06:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The idea is that you would be playing along with a track that wasnt "in time" with what you are recording. In reality, minor drift is probably not audibly noticeable but it precludes work that needs to be sample-accurate. On Nov 18, 2013 10:56 AM, "Al Thompson-3 [via Linux Audio]" < ml-node+s4202n87952h59 at n7.nabble.com> wrote: > I can see this being a problem if the multiple devices were all input > devices, such as the "multiple Soundblasters" mentioned in a previous post, > but if there is a single device used for input, and another device that is > used strictly for listening, what problems can be caused? I fail to see how > it could cause a problem, even if the clock on the monitor audio chain > drifts. > > > > michael noble <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM, jmancine <[hidden email] > > wrote: > >> The sync is fine, one clock becomes master. > > > I should clarify. You didn't specify any kind of sync solution, and not > only recommended using two devices, but stated that it is the normal way of > doing things. Doing so without a sync solution will result in > unsynchronized clocks, which as far as I know, is very much not the normal > way of doing things. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87952.html > To unsubscribe from re Zoom R16, click here > . > NAML > -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87953.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at linuxaudio.org Mon Nov 18 16:21:58 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:21:58 +0000 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 02:53:09PM +0800, michael noble wrote: > That seems to contradict even my admittedly basic understanding of how > digital audio devices work. Mixing unsynced devices for simultaneous I/O is > asking for trouble. JACK has no inbuilt capacity for synchronizing devices, > so you will get clock drift and as far as I know potential sample > misalignment between what you are listening to and what you are recording. It's perfectly possible, and without any signficant loss of quality. Jack is configured to use one of the cards. The others become clients, and their signals are resampled to match the rate of the 'master' card. Zita-ajbridge will do this with a constant and repeatable latency. This is also reported to Jack, so smart applications can compensate for it. Remaining delay variations will be around a microsecond (with decent HW) and be very slow. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From looplog at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 16:37:54 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 00:37:54 +0800 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> References: <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > It's perfectly possible, and without any signficant loss of quality. > Jack is configured to use one of the cards. The others become clients, > and their signals are resampled to match the rate of the 'master' card. > Zita-ajbridge will do this with a constant and repeatable latency. This > is also reported to Jack, so smart applications can compensate for it. > Remaining delay variations will be around a microsecond (with decent HW) > and be very slow. > Right. I've used Zita-ajbridge, which I guess is what Ralf was thinking of, for this purpose. It works extremely well. I also use ADAT sync when needed to sync between two machines. I clarified with Jason off-list so as not to detract too much from the thread about getting the zoom to work, but it came across to me that he was saying there would be no problems at all to use multiple devices without *any* kind of sync solution. Which, as he himself clarified, is not true. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at mancine.net Mon Nov 18 16:42:28 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:42:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> References: <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> FWIW, just finished a little test... I recorded a 3 minute "click track" of a metronome using the two built in mics on the R16. I then plugged my playback device into two tracks on the R16 and overdubbed those two tracks...and repeated the process 4 more times, each time playing back the previously recorded tracks while re-recording them onto two more tracks. Theoretically, this should bring out any sync problems, but there is no discernible difference in the beats when playing back all 32 tracks. Would I trust this setup for sample-sensitive work like film scoring? Probably not... but I really don't think it would be an issue for producing traditional music tracks. I am sure the mileage varies with different equipment, but after a couple weeks of tinkering, I haven't experienced any audible issues with drift...nor have I had a single xrun in JACK. Anyhow, back to the original topic. As it stands, JACK starts with the R16 in "playback only" but tries to set it at 32 bits -- just as it did with the recording before the quirk. If I start it in full duplex, JACK starts fine but then dumps a bunch of xruns and crashes when I start to record. So I think another entry in the quirk that explicitly sets playback at 24 bits should do the trick. -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87956.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Nov 18 17:23:32 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:23:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1384795412.1093.58.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 08:42 -0800, jmancine wrote: > Theoretically, this should bring out any sync problems, but there is no > discernible difference in the beats when playing back all 32 tracks. If the difference is enough frames long, you'll get phasing issues that are not noticeable as fluctuation for the musical timing, but it could cause a muddy sound, make it harder or even impossible to do a good mix. From lists at quirq.net Mon Nov 18 19:37:59 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:37:59 +0000 Subject: [LAU] First Major Linux Audio Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528A6C97.7030103@quirq.net> Hi Kevin It's not the usual sort of thing I listen to, but I enjoyed this. Excellent performance, great recording and Aeolus always sounds fantastic to my untutored ears. Great job and thanks for sharing! Q On 18/11/13 01:36, Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi all! It was suggested that I post this to the list. Having created > it for my good LAU friend, Julien, it is here because of his hosting it, > for your enjoyment. Click the link below, and choose the Bruhns Prelude > and Fugue. There is information there about the production. Thanks > all. Comments or suggestions are welcome. > > Kevin > > http://juliencoder.de/kvu > From atte at youmail.dk Mon Nov 18 20:16:09 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:16:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv In-Reply-To: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> References: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <528A7589.5030404@youmail.dk> On 11/18/2013 10:48 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Benoit Rouits improvised a piano part to my Csound piece Arcis : > > https://soundcloud.com/brouits/arcis-with-piano-improvisation > Nice! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Mon Nov 18 21:14:44 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:14:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Need some programming help. Message-ID: <20131118211444.7c996b70@debian> I've been slowing working my way though Yoshimi, looking for bugs and trying to understand the code, with some success. However, I've come across something that has me completely stumped. On a modern machine if you look in the AdSynth edit window 'Detune' shows a variable number of trailing digits, where it should only show 2 after the decimal point. This is also true of all cases where a recalculated slider value is indirectly shown in an associated uneditable box. It happens nowhere else. I've seen this on 64bit dual core AMDs and on 32bit Atoms. However, on an AthlonXP the problem doesn't occur. At first I thought it might be due to different version of FLTK but having tried various releases of debian, from 'lenny' up to the current 'testing', the *only* differentiating feature I can discover is that the AthlonXP doesn't recognise the sse flag. Finally, to add to the confusion, compiling on any of the other machines, without the sse flag set, still produces the fault - I'm wondering if even without this, some math feature is still being used that causes the fault. Any help or suggestions would be gratefully welcomed! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From ivan_521521 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 18 21:46:46 2013 From: ivan_521521 at yahoo.com (Ivan K) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:46:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: <1869357.0PMbqxoHEm@dovidhalevi> References: <1869357.0PMbqxoHEm@dovidhalevi> Message-ID: <1384811206.60191.YahooMailNeo@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I don't know, I saw a guitar, mandolin, upright bass, sax and drum kit. On Monday, 18 November, 2013 00:10:44 Moshe Werner wrote: > > Everything was done with Linux software. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moshwe at gmail.com Mon Nov 18 21:53:54 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:53:54 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: <1384811206.60191.YahooMailNeo@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1869357.0PMbqxoHEm@dovidhalevi> <1384811206.60191.YahooMailNeo@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You forgot to mention th Oud:) On 18 ?Nov 2013 23:47, "Ivan K" wrote: > > I don't know, I saw a guitar, mandolin, upright bass, sax and drum kit. > > > On Monday, 18 November, 2013 00:10:44 Moshe Werner wrote: > > > > Everything was done with Linux software. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Nov 18 22:04:48 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:04:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: <1869357.0PMbqxoHEm@dovidhalevi> <1384811206.60191.YahooMailNeo@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1384812288.5855.38.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 23:53 +0200, Moshe Werner wrote: > You forgot to mention th Oud:) Reggae with an instrument from the Babylonian? From jwm.art.net at gmail.com Tue Nov 19 00:53:12 2013 From: jwm.art.net at gmail.com (James Morris) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 00:53:12 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Need some programming help. In-Reply-To: <20131118211444.7c996b70@debian> References: <20131118211444.7c996b70@debian> Message-ID: only a guessimg but is there a snprintf involved anywhere to format the value for output? look at other values displayed by Yoshimi gui to see how they're done. it may be the format string has a straight %f rather than%.2f. just a guess and sorry if you've looked at this already. On Nov 18, 2013 9:14 PM, "Will Godfrey" wrote: > I've been slowing working my way though Yoshimi, looking for bugs and > trying > to understand the code, with some success. However, I've come across > something > that has me completely stumped. > > On a modern machine if you look in the AdSynth edit window 'Detune' shows a > variable number of trailing digits, where it should only show 2 after the > decimal point. This is also true of all cases where a recalculated slider > value > is indirectly shown in an associated uneditable box. It happens nowhere > else. > > I've seen this on 64bit dual core AMDs and on 32bit Atoms. However, on an > AthlonXP the problem doesn't occur. > > At first I thought it might be due to different version of FLTK but having > tried > various releases of debian, from 'lenny' up to the current 'testing', the > *only* differentiating feature I can discover is that the AthlonXP doesn't > recognise the sse flag. > > Finally, to add to the confusion, compiling on any of the other machines, > without the sse flag set, still produces the fault - I'm wondering if even > without this, some math feature is still being used that causes the fault. > > Any help or suggestions would be gratefully welcomed! > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Tue Nov 19 11:55:50 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:55:50 +1300 Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv In-Reply-To: <528A7589.5030404@youmail.dk> References: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> <528A7589.5030404@youmail.dk> Message-ID: <20131119115550.GE1151@tal> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 09:16:09PM +0100, Atte wrote: > On 11/18/2013 10:48 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >Benoit Rouits improvised a piano part to my Csound piece Arcis : > > > > https://soundcloud.com/brouits/arcis-with-piano-improvisation > > > > Nice! "This track is not downloadable" :( -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From tito.01beta at gmail.com Tue Nov 19 11:58:29 2013 From: tito.01beta at gmail.com (Tito Latini) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:58:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Need some programming help. In-Reply-To: <20131118211444.7c996b70@debian> References: <20131118211444.7c996b70@debian> Message-ID: <20131119115829.GA1772@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it> You could try the follow command cc -o precision_test -lm precision_test.c uname -p AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor # Usage: precision_test step ./precision_test 0.01 | column -t A 1.000000000000 B 100.000000000000 A/B 0.010000000000 precision 2 If your output is different, there is a round off problem, I presume with `rint'. /* precision_test.c */ #include #include #include #include #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { double A, B, s; int i, c = 0; char temp[32]; if (argc < 2) return 1; s = atof(argv[1]); /* Used in `Fl_Valuator::step' */ A = rint(s); B = 1; while (fabs(s-A/B) > 4.66e-10 && B<=(0x7fffffff/10)) { B *= 10; A = rint(s*B); } /* Used in `Fl_Valuator::format' to calculate the precision for snprintf */ snprintf(temp, sizeof(temp), "%.12f", A/B); for (i=(int) strlen(temp)-1; i>0; i--) if (temp[i]!='0') break; for (; i>0; i--, c++) if (!isdigit(temp[i])) break; printf("A %.12f\nB %.12f\nA/B %.12f\nprecision %d\n", A, B, A/B, c); return 0; } On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 09:14:44PM +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > I've been slowing working my way though Yoshimi, looking for bugs and trying > to understand the code, with some success. However, I've come across something > that has me completely stumped. > > On a modern machine if you look in the AdSynth edit window 'Detune' shows a > variable number of trailing digits, where it should only show 2 after the > decimal point. This is also true of all cases where a recalculated slider value > is indirectly shown in an associated uneditable box. It happens nowhere else. > > I've seen this on 64bit dual core AMDs and on 32bit Atoms. However, on an > AthlonXP the problem doesn't occur. > > At first I thought it might be due to different version of FLTK but having tried > various releases of debian, from 'lenny' up to the current 'testing', the > *only* differentiating feature I can discover is that the AthlonXP doesn't > recognise the sse flag. > > Finally, to add to the confusion, compiling on any of the other machines, > without the sse flag set, still produces the fault - I'm wondering if even > without this, some math feature is still being used that causes the fault. > > Any help or suggestions would be gratefully welcomed! > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From brouits at free.fr Tue Nov 19 13:15:35 2013 From: brouits at free.fr (ben) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:15:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv In-Reply-To: <20131119115550.GE1151@tal> References: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> <528A7589.5030404@youmail.dk> <20131119115550.GE1151@tal> Message-ID: <528B6477.8050302@free.fr> Le 19/11/2013 12:55, Chris Bannister a ?crit : > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 09:16:09PM +0100, Atte wrote: >> On 11/18/2013 10:48 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: >> >>> Benoit Rouits improvised a piano part to my Csound piece Arcis : >>> >>> https://soundcloud.com/brouits/arcis-with-piano-improvisation >>> >> >> Nice! > > "This track is not downloadable" :( > Hello, Sorry, i forgot to check the downloadable button. Will fix it in a minute.. - Ben From julien at mail.upb.de Tue Nov 19 14:33:11 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:33:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv In-Reply-To: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> References: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Hello Dave and Benoit! this is a fascinating mix. Live piano and cold, rendered electronics. There's a good contrast. The piano might have used a little more reverb to blend in fully with the electronics. On the other hand, the way it is now, the difference bcomes more pronounced. The difference between the "heartless" electronic atmosphere and the alive piano ontop. Arcis on its own would remind me of good film music. Perhaps for anice horror film or a thriller or sinister science fiction. With the piano it gravitates more towards early to mid 20th century contemporary music. I'm thinking of Schoenberg and even later composers. I'm sure, that there is a great difference in compositional techniques, but the basic atmosphere is there, wearing a more modern production. Both with and without piano, it's a nice scenic piece. Thanks the two of you for sharing! Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From jason at mancine.net Tue Nov 19 17:46:16 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:46:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> Man, I wish recompiling didn't take so darn long! Maybe someone can save me some time... I am trying to figure out the correct parameters to update the quirks-table.h file. I believe that the endpoint we are after for playback is EP 3 OUT, and this is the output of lsusb-v for that section: Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x03 EP 3 OUT bmAttributes 9 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type Adaptive Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x006c 1x 108 bytes bInterval 1 The endpoint address is obviously 0x03, and I have transfered that to the table. My problem seems to be with entering the bmAttributes value into the .ep_attr section for the quirks-table.h file. Is ALSA expecting a hex type value for ep_attr? The R16 seems to have an integer (9) whereas every other device I have plugged in as a hex value for bmAttributes. First attempt failed, I compiled with the integer "9" in ep_attr. Any insight would be appreciated since it takes many hours just to test out a single change. One thought I had was to just use 0x09 even though that is not the actual hex value of bmAttributes... but that's a pure guess. -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87971.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Nov 19 18:16:31 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:16:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <1384543525629-87917.post@n7.nabble.com> <52872B2F.30602@youmail.dk> <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1384884991.1207.52.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 09:46 -0800, jmancine wrote: > Man, I wish recompiling didn't take so darn long! > it takes many hours just to test out a single change. Instead of programming the values you'll test and recompile everything, why not reading values from a text file? This might not be possible for every value, but in some cases this perhaps can be done. From jason at mancine.net Tue Nov 19 20:08:27 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:08:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <1384884991.1207.52.camel@archlinux> References: <5288D2AD.8010303@youmail.dk> <1384701581408-87925.post@n7.nabble.com> <5288EE64.1010004@youmail.dk> <1384707481221-87927.post@n7.nabble.com> <20131118162157.GA12034@linuxaudio.org> <1384792948823-87956.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384883176341-87971.post@n7.nabble.com> <1384884991.1207.52.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1384891707247-87973.post@n7.nabble.com> Not sure how to do that... am I wrong in assuming that the endpoint values I need are in the output of lsusb -v? This is where it stands right now... the capture part is working fine with the addition of the specific endpoint address, playback either crashes JACK or hard freezes the R16. { .ifnum = 4, .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_FIXED_ENDPOINT, .data = & (const struct audioformat) { .formats = SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_S24_LE, .channels = 8, .iface = 1, .altsetting = 1, .altset_idx = 1, .attributes = UAC_EP_CS_ATTR_SAMPLE_RATE, .endpoint = 0x84, /*CAPTURE*/ .ep_attr = 13, .rates = SNDRV_PCM_RATE_44100 | SNDRV_PCM_RATE_48000 | SNDRV_PCM_RATE_88200 | SNDRV_PCM_RATE_96000, .rate_min = 44100, .rate_max = 96000, .nr_rates = 4, .rate_table = (unsigned int[]) { 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000 } } }, { .ifnum = 5, .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_FIXED_ENDPOINT, .data = & (const struct audioformat) { .formats = SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_S24_LE, .channels = 2, .iface = 1, .altsetting = 1, .altset_idx = 1, .attributes = UAC_EP_CS_ATTR_SAMPLE_RATE, .endpoint = 0x03, /*PLAYBACK*/ .ep_attr = 9, .rates = SNDRV_PCM_RATE_44100 | SNDRV_PCM_RATE_48000 | SNDRV_PCM_RATE_88200 | SNDRV_PCM_RATE_96000, .rate_min = 44100, .rate_max = 96000, .nr_rates = 4, .rate_table = (unsigned int[]) { 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000 } } }, -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p87973.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kvutter at frii.com Tue Nov 19 21:35:31 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:35:31 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Glitch Caused by MIDI perhaps? Message-ID: <7CE9B567-B41E-4C62-A484-25833FECC17A@frii.com> Hi all. I'm still having occasional audio glitch problems, and I frequently get 1 or more errors in a log file like this: ERROR: a2j_process_incoming: threw away MIDI event - not reserved at time 157016825 Is this a A2JMIDIBridge error? If so, should this cause a complete audio drop-out at that point? It seems I only have difficulties when recording audio with Nama from a softsynth playing from MIDI data. I have no problems either with playback of MIDI sequences, playback of audio, or recording audio directly from a live sound-source. There was some posts a while back about A2JMIDI not providing proper MIDI time stamps. Could this be part of the issue? Is there any reason to be concerned with Nama/Ecasound creating MIDI ports even when they're not being used? I'm just throwing out thoughts here, because I'm not sure where to look for answers or how to test further. It even occurs when recording a softsynth live, but of course I'm still using MIDI data to drive it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks much. Kevin From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Nov 19 22:08:15 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:08:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Glitch Caused by MIDI perhaps? In-Reply-To: <7CE9B567-B41E-4C62-A484-25833FECC17A@frii.com> References: <7CE9B567-B41E-4C62-A484-25833FECC17A@frii.com> Message-ID: <1384898895.1207.115.camel@archlinux> IIUC you're playing a soft synth by a keyboard, connected via a hardware MIDI interface, when you get audible "drop outs"? If so, does the MIDI interface and or the audio device share the interrupt with something else? If so, did you unbound or remount hardware to get rid of shared IRQs? Did you increase Frames/Period? What's the output of /path/to/rtirq status? From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Nov 19 22:08:14 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:08:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] First Major Linux Audio Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528BE14E.6050203@gmail.com> On 2013-11-18 02:36, Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi all! It was suggested that I post this to the list. Having created > it for my good LAU friend, Julien, it is here because of his hosting it, > for your enjoyment. Click the link below, and choose the Bruhns Prelude > and Fugue. There is information there about the production. Thanks > all. Comments or suggestions are welcome. > > Kevin > > http://juliencoder.de/kvu > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > What a delicious surprise! To be perfectly honest, the only thing i know about the genre is that i would never put it on myself. Hence the surprise: i can feel this! It got better and actualy brought me in deeper reflection, about nature, numbers and music. So, i am afraid i cannot feed you back on the music itself. But i am happy to report that this touched me. :) Thank you! PS. What license is it published with? -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From kvutter at frii.com Tue Nov 19 23:16:33 2013 From: kvutter at frii.com (Kevin Utter) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:16:33 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Glitch Caused by MIDI perhaps? In-Reply-To: <1384898895.1207.115.camel@archlinux> References: <7CE9B567-B41E-4C62-A484-25833FECC17A@frii.com> <1384898895.1207.115.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <54A7663C-1349-49D4-BF2E-207328ED0036@frii.com> Ralph said: ? IIUC you're playing a soft synth by a keyboard, connected via a hardware MIDI interface, when you get audible "drop outs"? It happens either when using my USB MIDI interface, or when sending MIDI data from MIDISH sequencer through jack to the softsynth. Audio is via built-in audio card. I don't absolutely know that there are no IRQ conflicts, but I can check. I haven't changed period size yet. Is this a MIDI related error, Jack error, Alsa error, ... or can we tell? Thanks much. Kevin From moshwe at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 22:38:06 2013 From: moshwe at gmail.com (Moshe Werner) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:38:06 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: <1384812288.5855.38.camel@archlinux> References: <1869357.0PMbqxoHEm@dovidhalevi> <1384811206.60191.YahooMailNeo@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1384812288.5855.38.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: Can you believe it? Everyday we learn something new... :) Thank you all again for the warm words. The next track from the show is now in mix and will be released in the next couple of weeks, I hope so... On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 23:53 +0200, Moshe Werner wrote: > > You forgot to mention th Oud:) > > Reggae with an instrument from the Babylonian? > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Nov 21 19:22:31 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:22:31 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Need some programming help. In-Reply-To: <20131119115829.GA1772@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it> References: <20131118211444.7c996b70@debian> <20131119115829.GA1772@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it> Message-ID: <20131121192231.3e2b5632@debian> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:58:29 +0100 Tito Latini wrote: > You could try the follow command > > cc -o precision_test -lm precision_test.c Thank you both for your suggestions. I tried that bit of code, but as I rather expected it behaved perfectly. The problem seems to be that, for some reason FLTKs 'step' command is being ignored. Not only is it failing to round the values but it is also failing to truncate them. I even tried replacing the calculated value with a simple integer - loads of trailing zeros after the decimal point. Yoshi is derived from Zyn, and the section of code that sends values to FLTK for display is identical, yet Zyn doesn't show this problem. I can only guess there is some difference in the way yoshi links to FLTK but can't imagine what it is! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Nov 21 19:25:01 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:25:01 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131121192501.5a5c2e0d@debian> On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 21:13:58 +0100 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Dear LAU, > > I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. > > On soundcloud: > https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/machine-landscape > > Direct download of the FLAC file is also available from that soundcloud page > > OGG file: > http://lorenzosu.net/music_sound/machine_landscape/machine_landscape.ogg > > > Machine Landscape presents a sonic experience inspired by 'the machine', > predominant and unavoidable element of our contemporary life. > > The piece was entirely composed with Linux. > > and was performed at EmuFest 2013 electronic music festival in Rome in > October. For the festival the piece was performed on a 24-speaker 'dome' > system and spatialised live. > > For what concerns software Ardour3 and Pure Data had a predominant role. > > Lorenzo. Lovely spacy feel to this. However, I didn't know they allowed recording kit where I work :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Nov 21 19:42:09 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:42:09 +0000 Subject: [LAU] First Major Linux Audio Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131121194209.1ddca6f0@debian> On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:36:03 -0700 Kevin Utter wrote: > Hi all! It was suggested that I post this to the list. Having created it for my good LAU friend, Julien, it is here because of his hosting it, for your enjoyment. Click the link below, and choose the Bruhns Prelude and Fugue. There is information there about the production. Thanks all. Comments or suggestions are welcome. > > Kevin > > http://juliencoder.de/kvu While this is not the style of music that I would listen to a great deal, I am very impressed with what you have done here. I'm always especially appreciative when people play through rather than paste notes on a roll - I confess I tend to do a bit of both! Thank you for sharing. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Nov 21 19:47:42 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:47:42 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Music made with Linux "Naale Lezion - Shivat Zion" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131121194742.16918231@debian> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:10:44 +0200 Moshe Werner wrote: > Hi all, > > this is the first song released from a small live show that I recorded > recently. > The Band is "Shivat Zion", an Israeli Reggae band. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZS57xoBET4 > > Everything was done with Linux software. Wow! Totally different. Really, really enjoyed this. Only slight crit. The person with the camera was moving much too fast and unevenly. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Nov 21 20:10:13 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:10:13 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv In-Reply-To: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> References: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20131121201013.1801d632@debian> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 04:48:46 -0500 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings, > > Benoit Rouits improvised a piano part to my Csound piece Arcis : > > https://soundcloud.com/brouits/arcis-with-piano-improvisation > > Comments welcome, but please bear in mind that the improv was a 1-take > recording. > > Best, > > dp Well what can I say? This adds a completely new dimension to Dave's original, and what an improv! I'm quite sure I couldn't manage 16 minutes of such concentration without losing the plot! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From tito.01beta at gmail.com Fri Nov 22 00:33:08 2013 From: tito.01beta at gmail.com (Tito Latini) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:33:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Need some programming help. In-Reply-To: <20131121192231.3e2b5632@debian> References: <20131118211444.7c996b70@debian> <20131119115829.GA1772@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it> <20131121192231.3e2b5632@debian> Message-ID: <20131122003308.GA1840@rhk.homenet.telecomitalia.it> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 07:22:31PM +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > Thank you both for your suggestions. I tried that bit of code, but as I rather > expected it behaved perfectly. > > The problem seems to be that, for some reason FLTKs 'step' command is being > ignored. Not only is it failing to round the values but it is also failing to > truncate them. I even tried replacing the calculated value with a simple > integer - loads of trailing zeros after the decimal point. > > Yoshi is derived from Zyn, and the section of code that sends values to FLTK > for display is identical, yet Zyn doesn't show this problem. I can only guess > there is some difference in the way yoshi links to FLTK but can't imagine what > it is! I'm noticing a possible bug generator in a diff between `ZynAddSubFX-2.4.3' and `yoshimi-1.1.0': diff -u ZynAddSubFX-2.4.3/src/UI/ADnoteUI.fl \ yoshimi-1.1.0/src/UI/ADnoteUI.fl | grep lrintf + callback {pars->VoicePar[nvoice].PVolume = lrintf(o->value());} + callback {pars->VoicePar[nvoice].Presonance = lrintf(o->value());} [...] !! | wc -l 72 The method `value' of Fl_Valuator returns a "double" and `lrintf' requires "float". The implementation of `lrintf' depends on the machine (for example, in glibc-2.15, it uses the instruction CVTSD2SI for x86_64). You could try `lrint' or the follow trick: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/music-dsp/2013-September/071566.html From brouits at free.fr Fri Nov 22 01:02:10 2013 From: brouits at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Rouits?=) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 02:02:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Arcis with piano improv In-Reply-To: <20131121201013.1801d632@debian> References: <5289E27E.9090001@woh.rr.com> <20131121201013.1801d632@debian> Message-ID: <528EAD12.20302@free.fr> Le 21/11/2013 21:10, Will Godfrey a ?crit : > On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 04:48:46 -0500 > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Benoit Rouits improvised a piano part to my Csound piece Arcis : >> >> https://soundcloud.com/brouits/arcis-with-piano-improvisation >> >> Comments welcome, but please bear in mind that the improv was a 1-take >> recording. >> >> Best, >> >> dp > Well what can I say? This adds a completely new dimension to Dave's original, > and what an improv! I'm quite sure I couldn't manage 16 minutes of such > concentration without losing the plot! > Thank you all for your kind comments, I should say i felt a bit clumsy on playing this on-the-fly imrpov. As i like very much Arcis from Dave, i might play another (maybe more mature?) improvisation when i have time to. Big wave to Dave, - Ben From egor.sanin at gmail.com Sun Nov 24 16:27:36 2013 From: egor.sanin at gmail.com (Egor Sanin) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:27:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple fluidsynth instances Message-ID: Hi folks, I was recently stuck on an issue that I could not readily find solutions for online. So I thought documenting the solution here may be of use to someone in the future. Problem: when attempting to start two independent instances of fluidsynth in server mode from the command line, I get the following error: fluidsynth: error: Failed to bind server socket After a bit of research, it seems that the problem is a result of the fact that in server mode (and probably in other modes as well, though I am not sure) fluidsynth communicates with the shell through a socket on the local machine. From what I saw in the source, there is no automatic checking to see if the default port is already bound, so the second instances tries to grab the same socket as the first, and fails with the above error. There is a setting "shell.port", which needs to be set explicity in this case (see man page). the -o command line option allows one to define settings. In the end, the following two commands give me the kind of environment I need (notice the "-o shell.port="): $ fluidsynth -a jack -m alsa_seq --portname=fluidsynth_piano --no-shell -s -g 1 \ -o audio.jack.id=fl_piano -o shell.port=9800 piano.sf2 & $ fluidsynth -a jack -m alsa_seq --portname=fluidsynth_drums --no-shell -s -g 1 \ -o audio.jack.id=fl_drums -o shell.port=9801 drums1_harris.sf2 & I do not know if this problem occurs when using Qsynth, I am doing this in a text only environment. Machine info: $ uname -a Linux mervag 3.12.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Nov 21 08:18:42 CET 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ jackd -V jackdmp 1.9.9.5 From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Sun Nov 24 19:15:41 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:15:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Machine Landscape In-Reply-To: <20131121192501.5a5c2e0d@debian> References: <52892386.8010001@gmail.com> <20131121192501.5a5c2e0d@debian> Message-ID: <5292505D.6080600@gmail.com> On 21/11/13 20:25, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 21:13:58 +0100 > Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > >> Dear LAU, >> >> I'm happy to share this acousmatic piece I have made available online. >> [...] > > Lovely spacy feel to this. However, I didn't know they allowed recording kit > where I work :) > :-) From lists at quirq.net Sun Nov 24 22:01:30 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:01:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings Message-ID: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Hail citizens! M'colleague and I are proud to announce the first releases from Julius Quintus, LAU's least-productive prog supergroup (for which I am entirely to blame -- the productivity thing, that is, I'm only partially to blame for the music). These were recorded at JQ's first recording session (and second ever meeting) in August 2010, in the UK. Rough mixes were done three years ago, but they've languished ever since, basically waiting for me to get my arse into gear. An injury earlier in the year that rendered me unable to play, together with other personal circumstances, made it a good opportunity to revisit these two pieces and finally do them justice. I'd like to take this opportunity to dedicate these two pieces to m'colleague, Julien, as a thank you for all the friendship and music we've shared, and as an apology for being so damn slow with everything. Those that can, make music: those that can't, make excuses. We have a good partnership: m'colleague makes the music and I have a batch of freshly made excuses specially prepared... https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-as-a-cloud https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-time-to-go Details and other links further below. We hope you enjoy and, as always, comments are welcomed. No capes, Persian rugs, curries, knives or ice rinks were harmed during the making of this music. Ave, Julius Quintus --- AS A CLOUD PASSES THE SUN, SO MY LIFE TURNS GREY This main bulk of this short piece was written in the studio in August 2010. The flute was added later in August, following the main session. The take was only supposed to be a placeholder until a better one could be recorded, but so far that hasn't happened. So the flute playing is even crappier than is usual. The guitar overdubs were the last to be done, being added in September 2010 following an inspirational break in Orkney. J: Black Grand piano, Virtual String Machine, M-Tron Pro (three violins, eight choir), drums Q: guitars (SA503TVL, Les Paul), fretless bass, flute, percussion Music: J&Q Engineering, mixing & mastering: Q SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-as-a-cloud FLAC download: http://juliencoder.de/nama/Julius_Quintus-As_A_Cloud_Passes_The_Sun_So_My_Life_Turns_Grey.flac --- TIME TO GO [6:01] This was a studio marmalade -- you can't really jam a full prog piece with two people -- recorded in August 2010. Piano and guitar were laid down together with the string machine overdub quickly following (sadly not the real deal, since the studio wasn't equipped with real string machines until later). The next day, the drums were improvised/overdubbed, followed by the bass (improvising on a fretless was not the best of ideas and protestations were made!). The improvised lead guitar part was overdubbed on the last full day in the studio, as it was beginning to dawn that it would soon be time to go and something needed to be laid down. It's the first take. The other details were added during pre-production, which commenced this summer. J: Black Grand piano, Virtual String Machine, drums Q: guitars (SA503TVL), fretless bass, ChamberTron (female voice, male voice), M-Tron Pro (boys' choir, female choir, male choir), Little Phatty SII, Dark Energy, percussion Music: J&Q Engineering, mixing & mastering: Q SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-time-to-go FLAC download: http://juliencoder.de/nama/Julius_Quintus-Time_To_Go.flac --- Our special thanks go to, but are not limited to, all those behind: Ardour, Linuxsampler, Hydrogen, linuxDSP, Calf, Invada, zita, IR, SWH, Guitarix, ZamAudio, GForce Software, Sampletekk, NI, plus Ian Shepherd. From bob at mellowood.ca Sun Nov 24 23:26:38 2013 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:26:38 -0700 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing. > https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-as-a-cloud Nice piece. My only complaint is that when the flute part gets a tad harsh (not sure if that's the right word), like you're having trouble getting all the notes. I'd prefer to hear those runs more easily played. > https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-time-to-go Nice tune. I'm not sure if guitar was the best choice of inst. for the melody. I'd have chosen something else ... flute? Or even a big organ sound? Well, I would have chosen sax, but that is my main instrument these days :) > > Details and other links further below. We hope you enjoy and, as always, > No capes, Persian rugs, curries, knives or ice rinks were harmed during the > making of this music. Damn. Not being a fan of curries I'd hope you would have arranged for less of them in this world :) -- **** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From julien at mail.upb.de Mon Nov 25 08:33:56 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:33:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Message-ID: Ave! M'colleague, you are too kind. I've enjoyed it all just as much. In addition to good friendship and fellow musicianship. In addition it has always been a privilege to play and record in your studio. All those lovely instruments and I was allowed to make some love to them. :-) But when it comes to apologies, we've all got reasons for them. How about all the work I convinced you to do, whilst here and the very little time we got to actually make music. I'd love to conclude this mail with yet another greatful word: thanks for those beautiful masters. It may have taken some time, but it was worth it! Salve Julius ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From lists at quirq.net Mon Nov 25 09:57:08 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:57:08 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Message-ID: On 2013-11-24 23:26, Bob van der Poel wrote: > Thanks for sharing. > No problem, many thanks for listening and commenting. >> https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-as-a-cloud > > Nice piece. My only complaint is that when the flute part gets a tad > harsh (not sure if that's the right word), like you're having trouble > getting all the notes. I'd prefer to hear those runs more easily > played. I'm glad you liked it, despite my crappy flute playing. Tone sadly never was one of my strong points (along with vibrato, breath control, technique... ;-) ) and certainly isn't these days as I don't play or practice anywhere near often enough. I'd always intended practicing the part more and doing a better take when I wasn't so tired: I seem to recall my lungs being on their very last legs so to speak when I recorded it. I was definitely running out of air at various points, but I've never had good lung fitness even when I played regularly. There are parts where the tone is okay, but a lot of it is far too breathy for my liking. I suspect the "good" tone bits might be the ones that you find a bit harsh. Some of the runs were certainly not as fluid as they could've been. I did learn from the experience that it's not a good idea to try writing, practicing AND recording a wind part all in one go! > >> https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-time-to-go > > Nice tune. I'm not sure if guitar was the best choice of inst. for > the > melody. I'd have chosen something else ... flute? Or even a big organ > sound? Well, I would have chosen sax, but that is my main instrument > these days :) Again, glad you enjoyed it. Whilst I am a keyboard player, I do find it necessary to counter Julien so that ruled out more keyboard parts and it wouldn't have been his worst Floydian nightmare with anything other than guitar, so I had to oblige :-D But the choice of instrument came first and the melody second. I'm not sure a flute solo would've been big and epic enough for the piece, certainly not with my skill level. A Jaxon or Collins-esque solo could've worked nicely. >> No capes, Persian rugs, curries, knives or ice rinks were harmed >> during the >> making of this music. > > Damn. Not being a fan of curries I'd hope you would have arranged for > less of them in this world :) Yeah, I'm not really a curry-eater either and people tend to assume you are in this part of the world. I'll never give Wakeman a run for his money in the keyboard stakes either :-D From julien at mail.upb.de Mon Nov 25 10:42:43 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:42:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Message-ID: In Nov 25 A.D. 2013 Q scripsit: > On 2013-11-24 23:26, Bob van der Poel wrote: [...] >>> No capes, Persian rugs, curries, knives or ice rinks were harmed during >>> the >>> making of this music. >> >> Damn. Not being a fan of curries I'd hope you would have arranged for >> less of them in this world :) Hey you two, a curry was harmed. It was the first meal, after arriving on British soil, that I had. A really nice one with some mint sauce! Nothing better at elvenish at night. :-) Spicily yours Julien From lists at quirq.net Mon Nov 25 11:37:16 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:37:16 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Message-ID: <83f93a1f7bd9e8dab9d35bef128f3f3e@quirq.ukfsn.org> That doesn't count as it was consumed neither on-stage nor mid-guitar solo ;-) Q On 2013-11-25 10:42, Julien Claassen wrote: > In Nov 25 A.D. 2013 Q scripsit: > >> On 2013-11-24 23:26, Bob van der Poel wrote: > [...] >>>> No capes, Persian rugs, curries, knives or ice rinks were harmed >>>> during the >>>> making of this music. >>> Damn. Not being a fan of curries I'd hope you would have arranged >>> for >>> less of them in this world :) > Hey you two, a curry was harmed. It was the first meal, after > arriving > on British soil, that I had. A really nice one with some mint sauce! > Nothing better at elvenish at night. :-) > Spicily yours > Julien From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Mon Nov 25 11:44:25 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:44:25 +1300 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Message-ID: <20131125114424.GA6067@tal> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:42:43AM +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: > In Nov 25 A.D. 2013 Q scripsit: > > >On 2013-11-24 23:26, Bob van der Poel wrote: > [...] > >>>No capes, Persian rugs, curries, knives or ice rinks were > >>>harmed during the > >>>making of this music. > >> > >>Damn. Not being a fan of curries I'd hope you would have arranged for > >>less of them in this world :) > Hey you two, a curry was harmed. It was the first meal, after arriving > on British soil, that I had. A really nice one with some mint sauce! > Nothing better at elvenish at night. :-) I didn't know Elves ate curries! Well, you learn something new every day. :) -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From csanchezgs at gmail.com Mon Nov 25 17:54:35 2013 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:54:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: References: <5284C9E9.1020705@gareus.org> Message-ID: 2013/11/14 Carlos sanchiavedraz : > 2013/11/14 Robin Gareus : >> On 11/14/2013 01:20 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: >>> Hello dear all LAUers. >>> >>> Time ago I did some research about open source/free software licences: >>> types, pros and cons, etc. I'm reviewing it and, given that I follow >>> and love many of the great projects and applications coded by members >>> of this list, I would love to here you're opinions (pros, cons) and >>> experience in practice and why you chose X licence for your project(s) >>> (business model or enterprise view in mind, 'cause you like it...). >> >> Software concerning infrastructure and inter-operation should *provide >> freedom to the developer*. Less restrictive licensing (eg. MIT, BSD, >> public-domain) is important to promote standards (in particular network >> or communication protocols.) >> >> Application software aimed at end-users should *protect the freedom of >> the user*. Here GPL is appropriate. It ensures that any user will be >> free to run it (which must include the freedom to modify it e.g. to make >> it work on future systems,...) amongst other freedoms. From a developer >> point of view the GPL also provides continuity and allows software to >> evolve. >> >> >> Personally I either choose the MIT or the GPLv2+ license for all of my >> projects. The former for libs, the latter for apps (with the usual >> exceptions, mainly due to re-using code and inheriting licenses). The >> reason for those two is that they're the only two licenses that I have >> read, understand and agree with. >> I have no intention to spend any time reading all of the others licenses >> cover-to-cover, and I believe that any developer who is using a given >> license should at least have a basic understanding of [the implications >> of] the license which mandates reading it completely. >> I keep an open eye on [new] licenses but have not had any reason to >> investigate any of them any further. >> >>> I see that the most commons are GPL2 (some don't like yet the v3) and >>> GPL3. And nowadays with so many services in the cloud also AGPL, and >>> MIT or Apache as well with HTML and Javascript libs and artifacts. >>> >>> Thanks as always for sharing your work and knowledge. >> >> >> 2c, >> robin > > Well and clearly explained. > > Thanks so much, Robin. > > -- > Carlos sanchiavedraz > * Musix GNU+Linux > http://www.musix.es I've made a quick search in Sourceforge to see the number of projects with each licence and related to Audio: * GPL2/GPL2+: they are a vast majority, maybe just because It's older than v3. Here you can see some of the projects that we love at Musix and myself: Ardour (in its own repo), Qsynth, Qjackctl, (all the rncbc stuff), Rakarrack Hydrogen, LMMS * GPL3: Here we have Guitarix (also has GPL2 and BSD), Virtual MIDI Piano Keyboard * AGPL: not much You can check also the chapter "Adoption"[1] Wikipedia as part of the article on GPL. There you can read: " In 2011, four years after the release of the GPLv3, according to Black Duck Software data, 6.5% of all open-source license projects are GPLv3 while 42.5% are GPLv2.[45] Google open-source programs office manager Chris DiBona reported that the number of open-source projects licensed software that had moved to GPLv3 from GPLv2 was 50% in 2009, " I thought at the beginning that choosing GPLv3 was the way to go nowadays: It's newer, and takes into account problems like "Tivoization", patents and stuff. And also AGPL is one for me to consider because many of my projects could benefit from its protection against being "cloud-servified" against your will, let's say. But then I see that big projects (reference for me in the FLOSS world) like Ardour, Jackd, Qjackctl, Qsynth, Rakarrack are GPL2+ and others just GPL2, so I wonder if they just keep going on with what was chosen in first place (backwards compatibility I guess) or they just don't like GPLv3 yet even with those mentioned potential benefits. I'd be very appreciate to know in particular the experience of these projects I mentioned and that of people who actually make a living developing floss software and have a business model that supports and/or benefits from it. Thanks so much anyways you all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPLv2#Adoption -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From robin at gareus.org Mon Nov 25 19:17:36 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:17:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: References: <5284C9E9.1020705@gareus.org> Message-ID: <5293A250.6080901@gareus.org> On 11/25/2013 06:54 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: > I've made a quick search in Sourceforge to see the number of projects > with each licence and related to Audio: [..] interesting breakdown. You're looking at this from the top, right? Most restrictive license per project? I wonder if it would makes sense detail this further. e.g lines-of-code per license. I suppose the picture is also somewhat incomplete because you did not include libraries which are used by many of the projects. e.g. LV2 SDK is MIT, libjack LGPLv2, vamp-plugin SDK 4-clause BSD,.. (no guarantee, that's just from the top of my head). If you multiply the use-count of these libraries by the number of projects that use them, I expect they will dominate GPL projects. The resulting app will still be GPL (or any other more restrictive license) and also the ratio 'lines-of-code per license' as well as 'projects per license' will remain unchanged. [..] > * GPL2/GPL2+: they are a vast majority, [..] Ardour [..] While the vast majority of Ardour's own source is GPL-2+, Ardour3 is effectively GPL-3+ because it includes some code under LGPL-3+. http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/ardour3.git;a=blob;f=debian/copyright has a complete breakdown. [..] > I thought at the beginning that choosing GPLv3 was the way to go > nowadays: It's newer, and takes into account problems like > "Tivoization", patents and stuff. I suppose it makes no difference for the vast amount of linux-audio apps. I still see GPL-2 vs GPL-3 as a matter of choice! v3 is not better just because it has a higher number or is newer. e.g. maybe some people do want their synth to be included in some commercial product. The GPLv3 does make this much harder for most vendors (ie. they'd need to publish their build-stack). A reasoning pro GPLv2 would be for example: "I don't care how they build it, I don't want to tinker or hack it and rather just want to play the instrument. But if they change the synth itself, the must to publish the changes." 2c, robin From len at ovenwerks.net Mon Nov 25 23:37:08 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:37:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: References: <5284C9E9.1020705@gareus.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Nov 2013, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: > * GPL2/GPL2+: they are a vast majority, maybe just because It's older > than v3. Here you can see some of the projects that we love at Musix > and myself: Ardour (in its own repo), Qsynth, Qjackctl, (all the rncbc > stuff), Rakarrack Hydrogen, LMMS > > * GPL3: Here we have Guitarix (also has GPL2 and BSD), Virtual MIDI > Piano Keyboard Using gpl2+ allows the code to be included in a gpl3 project and the new project becomes gpl3. gpl3 code can not be included in a gpl2 project. So from a reusable code POV gpl2+ makes things easier. But really lgpl is made for that use anyway, but it does mean separating your code into app and lib with 2 licences. So perhaps gpl2+ is the lazy way? Or maybe a lot of developers feel as you have, a bit confused and are hedging their bet. Gpl2 has been in use a long time, lots of the code I use is gpl2, gpl2+ makes it work with gpl3 too. It takes a lot of work to understand all the ramifications of the two versions. Most of us don't totally get it even reading them through. I think the people most likely to use v3 have seen some short coming in v2 they want to avoid in their project. As an aside... what about using code snips from tutorials? For example putting an icon in the systray? Is that just use of the lib or is it using someone elses code? Do I need to use the same lic as the tutorial? If I had to use more than one reference what does that do? (code in python using gtk libs in this case) I'm not really too worried in this case as the code so far is for my use, but many FOSS apps start that way. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From althompson58 at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 00:26:11 2013 From: althompson58 at gmail.com (Al Thompson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:26:11 -0500 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5293EAA3.2070206@gmail.com> I understand sync issues, but I would think that the latency of the output device would have more influence than not having the playback device's clock synced to the input. I've never heard of a clock drifting so badly that, for example, it took 3:05 to play back a 3:00 song. I can't imagine anyone's playing to be of such exactness that the lack of sample-accurate playback sync would possibly be noticed??? If you are overdubbing over drum tracks, can you truthfully say that your note start times are within 1/48,000th of a second?? On 11/18/2013 11:06 AM, jmancine wrote: > > The idea is that you would be playing along with a track that wasnt > "in time" with what you are recording. In reality, minor drift is > probably not audibly noticeable but it precludes work that needs to be > sample-accurate. > > On Nov 18, 2013 10:56 AM, "Al Thompson-3 [via Linux Audio]" <[hidden > email] > wrote: > > I can see this being a problem if the multiple devices were all > input devices, such as the "multiple Soundblasters" mentioned in a > previous post, but if there is a single device used for input, and > another device that is used strictly for listening, what problems > can be caused? I fail to see how it could cause a problem, even if > the clock on the monitor audio chain drifts. > > > > michael noble <[hidden email] > > wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM, jmancine <[hidden email] > > wrote: > The sync is fine, one clock becomes master. > > > I should clarify. You didn't specify any kind of sync solution, and > not only recommended using two devices, but stated that it is the > normal way of doing things. Doing so without a sync solution will > result in unsynchronized clocks, which as far as I know, is very much > not the normal way of doing things. -- --- My bands, CD projects, music, news, and pictures: http://www.lateralforce.com Staat hei?t das k?lteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt l?gt es auch; und diese L?ge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.' - [Friedrich Nietzsche] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at linuxaudio.org Tue Nov 26 00:35:47 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 00:35:47 +0000 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <5293EAA3.2070206@gmail.com> References: <5293EAA3.2070206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131126003547.GB31276@linuxaudio.org> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 07:26:11PM -0500, Al Thompson wrote: > I understand sync issues, but I would think that the latency of the > output device would have more influence than not having the playback > device's clock synced to the input. I've never heard of a clock > drifting so badly that, for example, it took 3:05 to play back a 3:00 > song. I can't imagine anyone's playing to be of such exactness that the > lack of sample-accurate playback sync would possibly be noticed??? If > you are overdubbing over drum tracks, can you truthfully say that your > note start times are within 1/48,000th of a second?? Typical errors for cheap cards are less than 0.1%. But that still means 0.18 seconds after 3 minutes. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From jason at mancine.net Tue Nov 26 00:55:41 2013 From: jason at mancine.net (jmancine) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:55:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <5293EAA3.2070206@gmail.com> References: <5293EAA3.2070206@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the point was more about phasing issues than timing. That being said, phasing doesn't really present itself unless a track is playing back with a recording of itself... Which doesn't generally happen when overdubbing On Nov 25, 2013 7:26 PM, "Al Thompson-3 [via Linux Audio]" < ml-node+s4202n88007h64 at n7.nabble.com> wrote: > I understand sync issues, but I would think that the latency of the output > device would have more influence than not having the playback device's > clock synced to the input. I've never heard of a clock drifting so badly > that, for example, it took 3:05 to play back a 3:00 song. I can't imagine > anyone's playing to be of such exactness that the lack of sample-accurate > playback sync would possibly be noticed??? If you are overdubbing over > drum tracks, can you truthfully say that your note start times are within > 1/48,000th of a second?? > > > On 11/18/2013 11:06 AM, jmancine wrote: > > The idea is that you would be playing along with a track that wasnt "in > time" with what you are recording. In reality, minor drift is probably not > audibly noticeable but it precludes work that needs to be sample-accurate. > On Nov 18, 2013 10:56 AM, "Al Thompson-3 [via Linux Audio]" <[hidden > email] > wrote: > >> I can see this being a problem if the multiple devices were all input >> devices, such as the "multiple Soundblasters" mentioned in a previous post, >> but if there is a single device used for input, and another device that is >> used strictly for listening, what problems can be caused? I fail to see how >> it could cause a problem, even if the clock on the monitor audio chain >> drifts. >> >> >> >> michael noble <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM, jmancine <[hidden email] >> > wrote: >> The sync is fine, one clock becomes master. >> > > I should clarify. You didn't specify any kind of sync solution, and not > only recommended using two devices, but stated that it is the normal way of > doing things. Doing so without a sync solution will result in > unsynchronized clocks, which as far as I know, is very much not the normal > way of doing things. > > > -- > --- > My bands, CD projects, music, news, and pictures: > > http://www.lateralforce.com > > > > Staat hei?t das k?lteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt l?gt es auch; > und diese L?ge kriecht aus seinem Munde: 'Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk.' > - [Friedrich Nietzsche] > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p88007.html > To unsubscribe from re Zoom R16, click here > . > NAML > -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/re-Zoom-R16-tp87487p88009.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Tue Nov 26 09:57:39 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:57:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Finding new good filter settings for multiband compression Message-ID: Hello everyone! Nama has a sort of multiband compressor by using three parallel tracks, all processed by filters. Now we've discovered, that our current filter settings aren't good for multiband compression as used in a mastering setup. Yes, I know, people debate wether to use it or not, but it's always nice to have the opportunity and leave it up to the users. We currently use the Glame highpass, lowpass and bandpass IIR LADSPA plugins with unique IDs 1890-1892. The current settings are: lowpass: 106Hz 2 stages bandpass: 520Hz(center) 800Hz(bandwidt) 2 stages highpass: 1030Hz 2 stages These settings give a good full band, but I've heard, that the bands aren't the best choices. I've found some reeferences to using: 160Hz as the first divider and 3500Hz for the second divider. could someone suggest good settings to achieve this. Either with these plugins or with different filters, if easily available and in form of a LADSPA plugin. Ecasound has LV2 support, but it's not capable of all the LV2 features. I'd also do just fine with a formula to calculate it myself, if there is such a thing, that really meets the audible requirements. Fons, last time you were kind enough to supply the settings. How did you arrive at these values? Did you check graphically? I'm pretty sure, that you wouldn't have. Warm regards and thanks a lot Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From rmouneyres at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 10:27:46 2013 From: rmouneyres at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Mouneyres?=) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:27:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Finding new good filter settings for multiband compression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, as of multiband compresion for mastering purpose, i use 4 bands most of the time, as the low spectrum needs special attention. My first consederation based on your frequencies, is they leave frequency gaps between bands. I couldn't say this is not a way to work, but i've never seen something like this before. In all my experiences, either integrated multiband compressors, or parrallel processed compressors always have crossing frequencies at the -3dB point. For example a three band multiband would be : Lowpass>350Hz , 350Hz>2KHz, 2KHz>Hipass Then you would adjust the crossover frequencies, compression settings to taste. For a four band setup, a starting point would be : Lowpass>200Hz , 200Hz>500Hz, 500Hz>3KHz, 3KHz>Hipass Rapha?l 2013/11/26, Julien Claassen : > Hello everyone! > Nama has a sort of multiband compressor by using three parallel tracks, > all > processed by filters. Now we've discovered, that our current filter settings > > aren't good for multiband compression as used in a mastering setup. Yes, I > know, people debate wether to use it or not, but it's always nice to have > the > opportunity and leave it up to the users. > We currently use the Glame highpass, lowpass and bandpass IIR LADSPA > plugins > with unique IDs 1890-1892. The current settings are: > lowpass: 106Hz 2 stages > bandpass: 520Hz(center) 800Hz(bandwidt) 2 stages > highpass: 1030Hz 2 stages > These settings give a good full band, but I've heard, that the bands > aren't > the best choices. I've found some reeferences to using: > 160Hz as the first divider and 3500Hz for the second divider. > could someone suggest good settings to achieve this. Either with these > plugins or with different filters, if easily available and in form of a > LADSPA > plugin. Ecasound has LV2 support, but it's not capable of all the LV2 > features. > I'd also do just fine with a formula to calculate it myself, if there is > > such a thing, that really meets the audible requirements. > Fons, last time you were kind enough to supply the settings. How did you > > arrive at these values? Did you check graphically? I'm pretty sure, that you > > wouldn't have. > Warm regards and thanks a lot > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > Music, creative writing, technical information: > http://juliencoder.de/ > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From fons at linuxaudio.org Tue Nov 26 11:39:01 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:39:01 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Finding new good filter settings for multiband compression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131126113901.GA24397@linuxaudio.org> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:57:39AM +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: > I'd also do just fine with a formula to calculate it myself, if > there is such a thing, that really meets the audible requirements. > Fons, last time you were kind enough to supply the settings. How > did you arrive at these values? Did you check graphically? I'm > pretty sure, that you wouldn't have. I don't remember any of this - could you put me back in context ? And I don't understand your request... Surely the plugins you use have control ports for the filter frequencies ? So all you need to do is set those values, but it looks like you're asking for internal details. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From fons at linuxaudio.org Tue Nov 26 11:58:30 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:58:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Finding new good filter settings for multiband compression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131126115830.GB24397@linuxaudio.org> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:27:46AM +0100, Rapha?l Mouneyres wrote: > as of multiband compresion for mastering purpose, i use 4 bands most > of the time, as the low spectrum needs special attention. > My first consederation based on your frequencies, is they leave > frequency gaps between bands. Ha, now I remember what I told Julien - which was exactly to do that. Depending on filter type and order, to obtain a flat response in the crossover region it is not always true that the filters should cross at the -3 dB points (and hence probably set to the same frequency). It is true for first order ones. One filter has +45 degrees phase shift at the nominal frequency, the other -45. Combining two signals at -3 dB and 90 degrees phase difference result in 0 dB, as required. This doesn't work for second order filters. They will have +/- 90 degrees phase shift at the -3dB frequency. If you set both filters to the same frequency and add the outputs, the region around that frequency will cancel. If you invert one of the two, the result will be +3 dB. To get the flattest possible response in the sum you have to set them to different frequencies. The result will never be really flat, but you can come close. If you want crossovers that exactly add up to a flat response you need filters like the ones used in zita-lrx. To answer Julien's question: just preserve the _ratio_ of the frequencies of the two filters that form a crossover. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From julien at mail.upb.de Tue Nov 26 12:03:04 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:03:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Finding new good filter settings for multiband compression In-Reply-To: <20131126113901.GA24397@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131126113901.GA24397@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: Hello Fons! I am asking about a setting of those filters to get a frequency spectrum without holes. The question is, how to adjust the three filters, so that the "crossfades" between the filters make a relatively flat line in the end. As I said, the result should be a full band, that can be used to multiband compress, since there's no direct multiband compressor, that I know off, that is a LADSPA plugin. Warm regards and thanks for chiming in Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From julien at mail.upb.de Tue Nov 26 12:15:44 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:15:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Finding new good filter settings for multiband compression In-Reply-To: <20131126115830.GB24397@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131126115830.GB24397@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: Hello Fons! thanks, that is what I wanted to know. Do you know of any other first order filter in LADSPA? Otherwise I'll keep the current filters. They've done fine so far. Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From csanchezgs at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 13:00:45 2013 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:00:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: <5293A250.6080901@gareus.org> References: <5284C9E9.1020705@gareus.org> <5293A250.6080901@gareus.org> Message-ID: Hello again, Mr. Robin 2013/11/25 Robin Gareus : > On 11/25/2013 06:54 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: >> I've made a quick search in Sourceforge to see the number of projects >> with each licence and related to Audio: > > [..] > > interesting breakdown. You're looking at this from the top, right? Most > restrictive license per project? > > I wonder if it would makes sense detail this further. e.g lines-of-code > per license. > > I suppose the picture is also somewhat incomplete because you did not > include libraries which are used by many of the projects. e.g. LV2 SDK > is MIT, libjack LGPLv2, vamp-plugin SDK 4-clause BSD,.. (no guarantee, > that's just from the top of my head). That's right, Robin, I mentioned "quick search". So therefore, please forgive not being complete. > > If you multiply the use-count of these libraries by the number of > projects that use them, I expect they will dominate GPL projects. > > The resulting app will still be GPL (or any other more restrictive > license) and also the ratio 'lines-of-code per license' as well as > 'projects per license' will remain unchanged. > Interesting. > [..] >> * GPL2/GPL2+: they are a vast majority, [..] Ardour [..] > > While the vast majority of Ardour's own source is GPL-2+, Ardour3 is > effectively GPL-3+ because it includes some code under LGPL-3+. > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/ardour3.git;a=blob;f=debian/copyright > has a complete breakdown. > I didn't dive to such detail, good to know. And nice resource about this matter that you link. > [..] > >> I thought at the beginning that choosing GPLv3 was the way to go >> nowadays: It's newer, and takes into account problems like >> "Tivoization", patents and stuff. > > I suppose it makes no difference for the vast amount of linux-audio apps. > > I still see GPL-2 vs GPL-3 as a matter of choice! v3 is not better just > because it has a higher number or is newer. > > e.g. maybe some people do want their synth to be included in some > commercial product. The GPLv3 does make this much harder for most > vendors (ie. they'd need to publish their build-stack). A reasoning pro > GPLv2 would be for example: "I don't care how they build it, I don't > want to tinker or hack it and rather just want to play the instrument. > But if they change the synth itself, the must to publish the changes." > > 2c, > robin That is what I somehow supposed, maybe people are not so strict about somebody/some-enterprise including their sw and having benefit from it. In someway, I concur with that, even when I know some of them (enterprises) just "vampirize" and have no return (support, money, code) to the community at least. Thanks again, Robin. -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From csanchezgs at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 13:05:40 2013 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:05:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [semi-OT] Licences and your opinion and experience In-Reply-To: References: <5284C9E9.1020705@gareus.org> Message-ID: Hi Len, 2013/11/26 Len Ovens : > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2013, Carlos sanchiavedraz wrote: > >> * GPL2/GPL2+: they are a vast majority, maybe just because It's older >> than v3. Here you can see some of the projects that we love at Musix >> and myself: Ardour (in its own repo), Qsynth, Qjackctl, (all the rncbc >> stuff), Rakarrack Hydrogen, LMMS >> >> * GPL3: Here we have Guitarix (also has GPL2 and BSD), Virtual MIDI >> Piano Keyboard > > > Using gpl2+ allows the code to be included in a gpl3 project and the new > project becomes gpl3. gpl3 code can not be included in a gpl2 project. So > from a reusable code POV gpl2+ makes things easier. But really lgpl is made > for that use anyway, but it does mean separating your code into app and lib > with 2 licences. So perhaps gpl2+ is the lazy way? Or maybe a lot of > developers feel as you have, a bit confused and are hedging their bet. Gpl2 > has been in use a long time, lots of the code I use is gpl2, gpl2+ makes it > work with gpl3 too. It takes a lot of work to understand all the > ramifications of the two versions. Most of us don't totally get it even > reading them through. I think the people most likely to use v3 have seen > some short coming in v2 they want to avoid in their project. > > As an aside... what about using code snips from tutorials? For example > putting an icon in the systray? Is that just use of the lib or is it using > someone elses code? Do I need to use the same lic as the tutorial? If I had > to use more than one reference what does that do? (code in python using gtk > libs in this case) > Interesting, because some of my projects are just that: systray helpers written in Python. > I'm not really too worried in this case as the code so far is for my use, > but many FOSS apps start that way. > I'm not that worried (at least yet ;) ) but I would want to do things quite well from the beginning instead of having to go back someday in the future. > -- > Len Ovens > www.ovenwerks.net > Thanks, Len. -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From goemusic at yahoo.fr Tue Nov 26 18:32:20 2013 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (Frank Kober) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] QMidiArp 0.5.3 maintenance release Message-ID: <1385490740.87846.YahooMailNeo@web172404.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Dear all, QMidiArp 0.5.3 fixes a number of bugs and should from now on replace 0.5.2. It also has some minor functional improvements, all is listed below. With thanks to all reporters, contributors and translators. And....enjoy! Frank ------------------------------------ QMidiArp is an advanced MIDI arpeggiator, programmable step sequencer and LFO for Linux with ALSA and JACK MIDI backends. ------------------------------------ Downloads are available at http://qmidiarp.sourceforge.net/ direct link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qmidiarp/files/qmidiarp/0.5.3/qmidiarp-0.5.3.tar.gz/download ------------------------------------ qmidiarp-0.5.3 (2013-11-26) New Features ? o Random functions for sequencer and LFO steps and arp repeat mode ??? (feature request #5 Keith Milner) Improvements ? o NSM support now handles import/export/clear to facilitate ??? getting started (Roy Vegard Ovesen) ? o Tempo is now MIDI-controllable (MIDI-learn) ? o Sequencer transpose slider is now MIDI controllable (MIDI-learn) ??? (feature request #7) ? o Sequencer pattern maximum length extended to 32 bars ??? (feature request #6) Fixed Bugs ? o LFO offset jumped back to fixed value when MIDI controlled ??? (bug #6 distrozapper) ? o Arp trigger behavior was not practical with chords pressed on keyboard ??? (bug #7 Burkhard Ritter) ? o JACK Transport no longer worked when no JT Master tempo was present ??? (bug #5 Barney Holmes) ? o Deleting an arp pattern in text window while running caused crash ? o Note lengths were not consistent between alsa and jack backends ? o Note lengths did not account for current tempo ? o Sequencer did not honor "D" button when MIDI controlled ? o Seq note length is now a 16th at half slider scale -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin at gareus.org Tue Nov 26 22:36:36 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 23:36:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] midimsg.lv2 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52952274.4040909@gareus.org> On 10/01/2013 09:02 PM, Aur?lien Leblond wrote: > Hello all, > > A quick message to announce a new set of lv2 plugins: midimsg.lv2. > > In a nutshell, these plugins are used to transform midi messages > into usable values. At the moment, modwheel, controller and channel > aftertouch is available. > > These are usefull to control parameters of other LV2 plugins via > midi. > > They can be downloaded here: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/midimsglv2/files/midimsg.lv2-0.0.1.tar.gz/download > > I would be really interrested to get any feedback regarding this > new project. sf.net returns a 404 on that page, also at http://sourceforge.net/projects/midimsglv2/ it says "Whoops, we can't find that page." Is this still up somewhere? best, robin From ken at restivo.org Wed Nov 27 16:38:18 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:38:18 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT-ish: multi-touch screen for linux audio projects Message-ID: Looks like it might be useful for custom linux instruments, using a Raspberry Pi or BeageBone, or even just for controlling Ardour on a PC: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pitouch-hdmi-multitouch-monitor-for-raspberry-pi-beaglebone-black--2 Endorsement/disclosure: I have done some linux and Android development work for this guy in the past, and helped him research linux support for this project (which was very quick and easy: the multitouch is built in to kernel 3.2 and later, works out of the box). The audio version uses HDMI, but for input one could use an external USB interface (with the USB hub version on a Pi/Beagle), or something more custom. If used with a PC instead, then one could use FFADO, etc. -ken From blablack at gmail.com Wed Nov 27 17:41:22 2013 From: blablack at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_Leblond?=) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:41:22 +0000 Subject: [LAU] midimsg.lv2 0.0.1 In-Reply-To: <52952274.4040909@gareus.org> References: <52952274.4040909@gareus.org> Message-ID: Hi Robin, Yes, sorry about that - I'm working on a proper website for all the plugins i'm working on, reorganising them, etc... I was waiting to be finished before announcing it. But to answer your question, midimsg.lv2 is available here now: https://github.com/blablack/midimsg.lv2 Aur?lien On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 10/01/2013 09:02 PM, Aur?lien Leblond wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> A quick message to announce a new set of lv2 plugins: midimsg.lv2. >> >> In a nutshell, these plugins are used to transform midi messages >> into usable values. At the moment, modwheel, controller and channel >> aftertouch is available. >> >> These are usefull to control parameters of other LV2 plugins via >> midi. >> >> They can be downloaded here: >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/midimsglv2/files/midimsg.lv2-0.0.1.tar.gz/download >> >> I would be really interrested to get any feedback regarding this >> new project. > > sf.net returns a 404 on that page, also at > http://sourceforge.net/projects/midimsglv2/ it says > "Whoops, we can't find that page." > > Is this still up somewhere? > > best, > robin From djdualcore at gmail.com Thu Nov 28 02:24:01 2013 From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:24:01 -0600 Subject: [LAU] New Power Noise Track Made On Linux Message-ID: Hard. Fast. Highly political. Most of the heavy lifting was done in Ardour. Most of the drum programming was in Hydrogen, with additoinal programming was done in Ardour MIDI'd to Hydrogen via JACK. Other details can be found in the SoundCloud description. https://soundcloud.com/dj-dual-core/the-reactionaries-believe-in Neil -- DJ Dual Core's Blog http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/ Order without government; Peace without violence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From murks at tuxfamily.org Thu Nov 28 13:03:36 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:03:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New Power Noise Track Made On Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131128140336.2cf4a301@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:24:01 -0600 Neil wrote: > Hard. Fast. Highly political. Most of the heavy lifting was done in > Ardour. Most of the drum programming was in Hydrogen, with additoinal > programming was done in Ardour MIDI'd to Hydrogen via JACK. Other > details can be found in the SoundCloud description. > > https://soundcloud.com/dj-dual-core/the-reactionaries-believe-in > > Neil Thanks, it's a nice track, although much more, rhythmical and melodical than I expected when I read noise. Regards, Philipp From djdualcore at gmail.com Thu Nov 28 15:33:24 2013 From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:33:24 -0600 Subject: [LAU] New Power Noise Track Made On Linux In-Reply-To: <20131128140336.2cf4a301@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <20131128140336.2cf4a301@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > it's a nice track, although much more, rhythmical and melodical than I > expected when I read noise. > Thank you. One thing that distinguishes "power noise" from straight noise or "harsh noise" is that it typically has a beat. That said, this piece is probably on the accessible/musical end of the power noise spectrum. 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URL: From rennabh at gmail.com Thu Nov 28 16:44:20 2013 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:44:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] illucia Message-ID: <20131128174420.5c045441@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey, just a heads up on this controller I found, I know some guys here might be interested: http://www.illucia.com/ it surely looks way more interesting to me than the various Monome-like controllers cheers, renato -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSl3LvAAoJEBz6xFdttjrfjfIH/jTGP8uFqkYEibHhP7whd4Ep jRdXpKciEydXpxefIbqYUtfohqLY2X8pYXyfnDPV3S/OyJlvTzZWQJZUQ7xhp+JT lHdzKVqNyI0+PKtUtyo7WUmOEekRQ0k6vKYx23cDPTuyvVbqzxatMDAMKSBoSlSp M7ttb7C4hgmSusPFAxrGsk/x5mCvG521f0s/a4fCGsuElxg3dwye0KcysBZMj90r KzkLqwUDCESELEFQV5MEODn4zKntjsIFVuJbDuP1WAMUEKfTnYLk/ZfkRpMSobim QxuFnVeh75uNuiccUHCwuFuBF4yNH6lkIv4v5drSQ7MrkHunKJpSAY71YjnTaOU= =p9af -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Nov 29 08:09:21 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:09:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] illucia In-Reply-To: <20131128174420.5c045441@gmail.com> References: <20131128174420.5c045441@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1385712561.805.2.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2013-11-28 at 17:44 +0100, Renato wrote: > Hey, just a heads up on this controller I found, I know some guys here > might be interested: > > http://www.illucia.com/ > > it surely looks way more interesting to me than the various Monome-like > controllers Thank you for the heads up Renato :) it's worth to build eagle and to take a look at it's layouts. I'm building eagle right now ;). Regards, Ralf From alf at mellomrommet.no Fri Nov 29 19:56:56 2013 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Lund) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:56:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] VLC 2.1 Message-ID: <5298F188.3000006@mellomrommet.no> Hi folks, I was going to install the latest and greatest VLC, but for some reason even the http://ppa.launchpad.net/videolan/stable-daily/ubuntu reverted to version 2.0.8 and it seems 2.1 will only be available in 14.10 (see http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/10/vlc-2-1-1-released-install-upgrade-in-ubuntu-13-10-saucy/) Anybody here know idea why? All the best, Al F From murks at tuxfamily.org Sat Nov 30 15:34:15 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:34:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Experience with LuaAV Message-ID: <20131130163415.7619fb7c@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Hi there, I'm want to give live-coding a try and am looking for a nice environment. I came across LuaAV again, didn't find it in any repos and now I remembered why: the guys who develop it use a rather weird build system, basically a few scripts specifically written for some version of ubuntu. However, I guess it's not impossible to build it on other distros. Has anyone tried? Is it worth it? Regards, Philipp From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Nov 30 19:38:08 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:38:08 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> Message-ID: <20131130193808.7d28031c@debian> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:01:30 +0000 Q wrote: > Hail citizens! > > M'colleague and I are proud to announce the first releases from Julius > Quintus, LAU's least-productive prog supergroup (for which I am entirely > to blame -- the productivity thing, that is, I'm only partially to blame > for the music). > > These were recorded at JQ's first recording session (and second ever > meeting) in August 2010, in the UK. > > Rough mixes were done three years ago, but they've languished ever > since, basically waiting for me to get my arse into gear. An injury > earlier in the year that rendered me unable to play, together with other > personal circumstances, made it a good opportunity to revisit these two > pieces and finally do them justice. > > I'd like to take this opportunity to dedicate these two pieces to > m'colleague, Julien, as a thank you for all the friendship and music > we've shared, and as an apology for being so damn slow with everything. > Those that can, make music: those that can't, make excuses. We have a > good partnership: m'colleague makes the music and I have a batch of > freshly made excuses specially prepared... > > https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-as-a-cloud > https://soundcloud.com/quirq-uk/julius-quintus-time-to-go > > Details and other links further below. We hope you enjoy and, as always, > comments are welcomed. > > No capes, Persian rugs, curries, knives or ice rinks were harmed during > the making of this music. > > Ave, > > Julius Quintus Hmm. Thought I'd commented on these. However... I liked them both, but thought 'as a cloud' suffered from being too 'studied', probably due to the way it was recorded. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From lists at quirq.net Sat Nov 30 22:37:03 2013 From: lists at quirq.net (Q) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:37:03 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Music] Prog supergroup's first outings In-Reply-To: <20131130193808.7d28031c@debian> References: <5292773A.10306@quirq.net> <20131130193808.7d28031c@debian> Message-ID: <529A688F.9030201@quirq.net> On 30/11/13 19:38, Will Godfrey wrote: > > Hmm. Thought I'd commented on these. > However... > > I liked them both, but thought 'as a cloud' suffered from being too 'studied', > probably due to the way it was recorded. > Hi Will You have commented already, although it was over on KVR -- better twice than never :-) You mentioned there that you preferred Time To Go, but didn't go into specifics. I did pass your comments on to Julien. Thanks, I actually take that as a compliment since personally, I'd take studied over improvised any day. It's not really possible to do decent prog improvised, by the very nature of the music, unless perhaps when you get a band like King Crimson. Even then, I bet they had a fair number of misses with their improvs and the ones I've heard haven't had the finesse of their composed pieces. Time To Go is both the exception that proves the rule and an argument against improv. I don't think I've ever before, and haven't since and doubt I would again in the future, improvised a part that I've been able to use whole sections from -- let alone in its entirety as in this case -- on the Nth take, let alone the first. I also had to do a huge amount of editing, correcting timing issues in the drum performance (although the performance itself was otherwise mostly fine), construct an in-tune and in-time bass part and do some serious corrective mixing work on the piano because they were improvised. The piece was essentially recorded in the same way as Cloud and everything else that Julien and I have done individually, with overdub after overdub, just in this case we didn't bother to write and practice parts for it. I know Julien loved the mix of TTG and the overall sound, but I think he preferred Cloud as a piece of music and felt it had more going for it because it was carefully written. It also doesn't help that TTG sounds a bit Floydy and he hated them with a passion :-) It's a shame he won't be able to chip in. But, he has sold all his music gear, emigrated and has effectively dropped off the grid for the forseeable future, although there's a chance he won't be totally incommunicado indefinitely. Sincerely, thanks again for listening and commenting (again) :-)