From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Oct 1 09:01:52 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 11:01:52 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] MIDI Running Status and ALSA, was: Launchpad S and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524A8F80.4050006@ladisch.de> Fons Adriaensen wrote: > If the problem is the same as with the original LP, then > the ALSA driver can't do anything about it, unless it would > contain LP-specific code. The Launchpad S is class compliant and thus cannot use running status. Regards, Clemens From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 12:04:43 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:04:43 +0200 Subject: [LAU] MIDI glitches Message-ID: My friends, thank you all. I 've found that I have correct limits.conf but in /etc/security/limits.d/99-audio.conf there is only: @audio - rtprio 99 @audio - memlock unlimited I have always glitches, also with aeolus - so it seems as a general problem of my system.. any suggestions ?. thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 12:44:11 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:44:11 +0200 Subject: [LAU] qjackctl settings Message-ID: Hi, what is difference between: jackd, jackdmp, jack_control start, jackstart ?? (i am trying to resolve my MIDI glitches, so maybe that a point...) thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Oct 1 13:47:22 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:47:22 -0400 Subject: [LAU] qjackctl settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: jackd: the JACK server (regardless of the version of JACK you are using) jackdmp: a name used to refer to the version of JACK commonly known as "JACK2", which has version numbers 1.9.X jack_control start: a command using a separate tool that uses the JACK control API to start a server via something that is listening for control API messages jackstart: an irrelevant, out of date tool None of the above really has much to do with MIDI glitches. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Fero Kiraly wrote: > Hi, what is difference between: > jackd, jackdmp, jack_control start, jackstart > ?? > (i am trying to resolve my MIDI glitches, so maybe that a point...) > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 14:14:48 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:14:48 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Lives: some beginner questions Message-ID: <524AD8D8.40000@gmail.com> Hi, Trying out Lives video/VJ tool. I want to make video art for a live gig. Its mostly making a clip from a picture and adding some effects to it, realtime effects and normal effects too. Im not planning to add effects live, but I want to apply the live realtime effects before the show. Im working in the clip editor. I will use Lives to switch to the next clip for the next song. What is a right format, size and resolution to export to, so I can use the clips during the gig? Audio is not needed. Tips for this workflow is welcome! Thanks in advance, \r From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 14:28:19 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:28:19 +0200 Subject: [LAU] qjackctl settings Message-ID: Paul, thank you. It is clear for me now. Where I should look for MIDI glitches ? - These glitches happens always after some time of playing eg. .15 minutes, I am not expert but it seem like a when some buffer of MIDI data is full then *....&*.........8.......&*.............8.........*..... thanks for advice,. fero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atte at youmail.dk Tue Oct 1 14:40:01 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:40:01 +0200 Subject: [LAU] MIDI glitches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524ADEC1.8060001@youmail.dk> On 10/01/2013 02:04 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: > I have always glitches, also with aeolus - so it seems as a general > problem of my system.. > > any suggestions ?. Switch cpu frequency govenor to "performance"... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 14:53:33 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:53:33 +0200 Subject: [LAU] MIDI glitches Message-ID: Thanks, Atte I had it: == GUI-enabled checks == Checking if you are root... no - good Checking filesystem 'noatime' parameter... 3.6.11 kernel - good (relatime is default since 2.6.30) Checking CPU Governors... CPU 0: 'performance' CPU 1: 'performance' CPU 2: 'performance' CPU 3: 'performance' - good Checking swappiness... 10 - good Checking for resource-intensive background processes... none found - good Checking checking sysctl inotify max_user_watches... >= 524288 - good Checking access to the high precision event timer... readable - good Checking access to the real-time clock... readable - good Checking whether you're in the 'audio' group... yes - good Checking for multiple 'audio' groups... no - good Checking the ability to prioritize processes with chrt... yes - good Checking kernel support for high resolution timers... found - good Kernel with Real-Time Preemption... found - good Checking if kernel system timer is set to 1000 hz... found - good Checking kernel support for tickless timer... found - good == Other checks == Checking filesystem types... ok. so everytjing seems good... any other ideas ? -- Fero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danifernando at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 16:10:12 2013 From: danifernando at gmail.com (Daniel Roviriego) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:10:12 -0300 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: [estudiolivre] Fwd: Lives: some beginner questions In-Reply-To: References: <524AD8D8.40000@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: salsaman Date: 2013/10/1 Subject: Re: [estudiolivre] Fwd: [LAU] Lives: some beginner questions To: estudiolivre at lists.riseup.net Hi Rosea, the best solution is not to encode to any format, just leave the clips as a "set". You can do this either by File -> Close/Save all Clips, or when exiting the application (LiVES will prompt you for a set name). When you save the set there is a checkbox "auto load this set when LiVES is started". If you check this, then the next time you start LiVES it will ask you if you want to reload the set. You can have any number of sets on the disk, so any time you can just load the one you want to use. (File -> Load set). You have to close the current set before you load a different one though. You can also start up LiVES with any set, by using: lives -set See also in the manual: http://lives.sourceforge.net/manual/LiVES_manual.html#section4.7 Hope this answers your question. Good luck ! Salsaman. http://lives.sourceforge.net https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/salsaman On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Daniel Roviriego wrote: > Aeh Salsaman, n?o sei se voc? est? na LAU.. > > abs > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: rosea.grammostola > Date: 2013/10/1 > Subject: [LAU] Lives: some beginner questions > To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > > Hi, > > Trying out Lives video/VJ tool. > > I want to make video art for a live gig. Its mostly making a clip from a > picture and adding some effects to it, realtime effects and normal effects > too. Im not planning to add effects live, but I want to apply the live > realtime effects before the show. Im working in the clip editor. I will use > Lives to switch to the next clip for the next song. > > What is a right format, size and resolution to export to, so I can use the > clips during the gig? Audio is not needed. > > Tips for this workflow is welcome! > > Thanks in advance, > > \r > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > -- > Daniel Roviriego > (21) 35920701 > (21) 99561654 > > -- Daniel Roviriego (21) 35920701 (21) 99561654 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Oct 1 17:53:21 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:53:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] MIDI glitches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524B0C11.9050007@autostatic.com> On 09/30/2013 01:22 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: > what has SLIM - login manager - to do with MIDI msgs ? There have been issues with SLIM and PAM in the past: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476248 You could post the outcome of ulimit -a but I think this issue has been long resolved. Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Oct 1 17:57:06 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:57:06 +0200 Subject: [LAU] MIDI glitches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524B0CF2.6060608@autostatic.com> On 10/01/2013 04:53 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote: > so everytjing seems good... any other ideas ? Did you try a different softsynth instead of ZynAddSubFX? Or does it happen with other softsynths too? And does your CPU support hyperthreading? You could try disabling it, there have been reports that using hyperthreading with a RT kernel can cause issues wrt to audio (not sure about MIDI). Or maybe it's some system process? Did you try stopping the cron service? Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From blablack at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 18:57:28 2013 From: blablack at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_Leblond?=) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 19:57:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] avw.lv2 0.1.5 Message-ID: Hi all! A quick e-mail to annonce the latest version of the lv2 set avw.lv2. As a reminder, this set of plugins is designed for Ingen to create modular synths. Inside you can find VCOs, LFO, VCA and all the main modules to create Modular Synthesizers. Parts of these plugins are a port of the internal modules of the great Alsa Modular Synth. In this specific version, I focused on bug fixing and usability. I added as a well an Amplitude Modifier and a plugin to transform VC to Controls. This way, you can for example use the LFO (VC amplitude -1/1), use the Amplitude Modifier to transform the amplitude of the LFO to 1000/3000, use the plugin VC to Controls and plug all that into a Low Pass Filter. Finally, with the source code comes two example that you can load straight away into Ingen to try the plugins out. To download: http://sourceforge.net/projects/avwlv2/files/avw.lv2-0.1.5.tar.gz/download I really hope you will enjoy those, and I would be really interrested to get any feedback! enjoy :) Aur?lien From blablack at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 19:02:42 2013 From: blablack at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_Leblond?=) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:02:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] midimsg.lv2 0.0.1 Message-ID: Hello all, A quick message to announce a new set of lv2 plugins: midimsg.lv2. In a nutshell, these plugins are used to transform midi messages into usable values. At the moment, modwheel, controller and channel aftertouch is available. These are usefull to control parameters of other LV2 plugins via midi. They can be downloaded here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/midimsglv2/files/midimsg.lv2-0.0.1.tar.gz/download I would be really interrested to get any feedback regarding this new project. enjoy :) Aur?lien From djbarney at djbarney.org Tue Oct 1 21:13:07 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:13:07 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Lives: some beginner questions In-Reply-To: <524AD8D8.40000@gmail.com> References: <524AD8D8.40000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131001211307.18671kzsjn35uin7@server34.abstractdns.com> Hello, I had some problems with Lives, although that was a while ago and things may have improved. Type of application is of course dependent on preference, but another application of this type that might be worth checking out is GLMixer - http://code.google.com/p/glmixer/ Cheers Quoting "rosea.grammostola" : > Hi, > > Trying out Lives video/VJ tool. > > I want to make video art for a live gig. Its mostly making a clip > from a picture and adding some effects to it, realtime effects and > normal effects too. Im not planning to add effects live, but I want > to apply the live realtime effects before the show. Im working in > the clip editor. I will use Lives to switch to the next clip for the > next song. > > What is a right format, size and resolution to export to, so I can > use the clips during the gig? Audio is not needed. > > Tips for this workflow is welcome! > > Thanks in advance, > > \r > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From drz at rizzux.org Tue Oct 1 21:47:56 2013 From: drz at rizzux.org (drz) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 23:47:56 +0200 Subject: [LAU] RME Fireface UCX with new firmware finally recording in debian Message-ID: <201310012347.57163.drz@rizzux.org> My dear Linux Audio Users I upgraded the firmware in my Fireface UCX yesterday. In the Release Notes I saw this...: "Fireface UCX: V 42/220/23/4: Class Compliant: full 18 channels, choice of 2 playback routings (C8/CA)" I thought I should give it another try in debian Linux wheezy as they changed something in the class-compliant mode. And what can I say ... its now recording in Audacity in stereo (channel 1+2). So if I plug in two mics, I can record! yippieh So heres what I did: (I hope I remember all steps) 1.) I followed some Howto, I cant remember where I found it, but I created a .pulse folder in my ~-Folder Then I pasted these files in the ~/.pulse Folder: File default.pa: load-module module-native-protocol-unix load-module module-jack-sink channels=2 load-module module-jack-source channels=2 load-module module-null-sink load-module module-stream-restore load-module module-rescue-streams load-module module-always-sink load-module module-suspend-on-idle set-default-sink jack_out set-default-source jack_in #I think I will play with module-jack-source channels=2 to get more input # channels File daemon.conf: sample-format = float32le default-sample-rate = 48000 realtime-scheduling = yes exit-idle-time = -1 2.) I logged out of KDE and logged back in 3.) Then I started qjackctl In the options I chose Input and Output Device hw1 Fireface UCX 4.) Next I started jackd, by clicking start. 5.) I chose a CC setup in the Fireface UCX I created before in Totalmix to have Phantom Power on both Inputs, by searching SU and then choosing the right seetup number (refer to the Firefox-manual). 6.) Finally I started Audacity and ..... it was recording both inputs Yeah! If I check 96000 Hz in jackd-options, audacity shows 96000 Hz, too, and if I export it as a wav-file the metadata tells me its 96 kHz, wow! And it sounds like it, too ;) greetz & have fun drz From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Oct 1 22:37:59 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 23:37:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Some music made with linux, from the vaults In-Reply-To: <20130923210652.GA15681@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20130923210652.GA15681@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131001233759.18e11a45@debian> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:06:52 -0700 Ken Restivo wrote: > Found these cleaning an old hard drive, all made with Linux, Fluidsynth, Ardour, PHASEX, JACKRACK, seq24, jace, and probably others. > > Techno-ish and featuring PHASEX heavily: > http://storage.restivo.org/music/krmusic/semipublished/breakfast-at-one-0.1.1.ogg > > Funky in 9/4 and with enough shifting patterns that the 1 is pretty much arbitrary (the way I like it), and also using PHASEX in the background: > http://storage.restivo.org/music/krmusic/semipublished/allure-oddmeter-0.1.ogg > > These are both from August 2007, according to the git history. Enjoy. > > -ken Liked breakfast at one a lot. allure oddmeter not quite so much but still very interesting. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Wed Oct 2 07:34:10 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:34:10 +1300 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: [estudiolivre] Fwd: Lives: some beginner questions In-Reply-To: References: <524AD8D8.40000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131002073410.GK3550@tal> On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 01:10:12PM -0300, Daniel Roviriego wrote: > > When you save the set there is a checkbox "auto load this set when LiVES is > started". If you check this, then the next time you start LiVES it will ask > you if you want to reload the set. Umm, doesn't "auto load" imply no prompting? Sorry to be pedantic, but the quality is in the details. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Oct 2 18:10:52 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 19:10:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 Message-ID: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> I've been offered the loan of one of these. Does anyone know if it plays nicely with Linux? Is it plug-and-play, sacrifice a goat, or somewhere in between? -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From idragosani at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 18:16:36 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 14:16:36 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> Message-ID: Apparently it can be used with the generic USB ALSA driver: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Native_Instruments On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > I've been offered the loan of one of these. Does anyone know if it plays nicely > with Linux? > > Is it plug-and-play, sacrifice a goat, or somewhere in between? > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From sakrecoer at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 18:28:35 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (reSet Sakrecoer) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:28:35 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> Message-ID: I dont' know so much about this specific device, but i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1821115 Happy Audio Production Set PS. i first i thought you were about to take a loan to buy one... i hope this is not the case. I doubt anyone would want to have a debt because of some device that do not operate as standalone. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > I've been offered the loan of one of these. Does anyone know if it plays > nicely > with Linux? > > Is it plug-and-play, sacrifice a goat, or somewhere in between? > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fully plug and play with alsa, all in/outs show in Jack, most controls are hardware and the one which isn't (digital clock source) is accessible in alsamixer. Regards, Victor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Oct 2 19:19:51 2013 From: WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will J Godfrey) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:19:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> Message-ID: <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 21:06:58 +0200 Victor A. Stoichi?? wrote: > Will Godfrey wrote: > >I've been offered the loan of one of these. Does anyone know if it > >plays nicely > >with Linux? > > > >Is it plug-and-play, sacrifice a goat, or somewhere in between? > > > >-- > >Will J Godfrey > >http://www.musically.me.uk > >Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > >Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > >_______________________________________________ > >Linux-audio-user mailing list > >Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > I use a KA6. Works like a charm. Fully plug and play with alsa, all in/outs show in Jack, most controls are hardware and the one which isn't (digital clock source) is accessible in alsamixer. > > Regards, > Victor Thanks for your replies people. This looks very promising. A friend has one that he seldom uses, and knowing that I was thinking of buying one, very kindly offered to lend me his to try it out. I didn't want to put him to the trouble and cost of sending it to me if it was going to be a nightmare! P.S. I'm using kernel version 3.1 and haven't seen *any* of the stability problems described in one of those links. -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits. From pianolivier at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 19:39:30 2013 From: pianolivier at gmail.com (olivier) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 21:39:30 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> Message-ID: It has also been confirmed to just work with a 3.7 kernel by one of our member here at linuxmao: http://www.linuxmao.org/Native+Instruments+Komplete+Audio+6 cheers olivier On 2 October 2013 21:19, Will J Godfrey wrote: > On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 21:06:58 +0200 > Victor A. Stoichi?? wrote: > > > Will Godfrey wrote: > > >I've been offered the loan of one of these. Does anyone know if it > > >plays nicely > > >with Linux? > > > > > >Is it plug-and-play, sacrifice a goat, or somewhere in between? > > > > > >-- > > >Will J Godfrey > > >http://www.musically.me.uk > > >Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > > >Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Linux-audio-user mailing list > > >Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > I use a KA6. Works like a charm. Fully plug and play with alsa, all > in/outs show in Jack, most controls are hardware and the one which isn't > (digital clock source) is accessible in alsamixer. > > > > Regards, > > Victor > > Thanks for your replies people. This looks very promising. > > A friend has one that he seldom uses, and knowing that I was thinking of > buying > one, very kindly offered to lend me his to try it out. I didn't want to > put him > to the trouble and cost of sending it to me if it was going to be a > nightmare! > > P.S. > I'm using kernel version 3.1 and haven't seen *any* of the stability > problems > described in one of those links. > > -- > It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) > > ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, > but trying to catch the good bits. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 23:24:31 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 01:24:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] MiDI glitches Message-ID: Hi friends, I have tryied everything what you mentioned about. But.. can it be a jack samplerate problem?? 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URL: From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 3 00:16:14 2013 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob Kudla) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:16:14 -0400 Subject: [LAU] A music quality article of interest (OT but not much) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524CB74E.8060100@kudla.org> On 2013-10-02 19:47, Pete Wright wrote: > So now (according to Steve Guttenberg) we are back to stomped and > pre-chewed, except around LAU where we all still roll our own one way or > another. It's funny: not that I've ever really done music professionally (gigs for beer doesn't rise to that level in my opinion), but I actually ruined my last original project by mixing it through earbuds. I was just really used to the way they sounded and thought they were fine. Played back the mix on a real stereo and almost blew out the subwoofer. (Maybe the dubsteppers would have appreciated it if it were in the key of wom.) But on the earbuds it sounded awesome... I'm not sure if that means I agree with him or if I just think those gall-darn kids need to get off my lawn, dagnabit. Rob From gheskett at wdtv.com Thu Oct 3 00:29:37 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:29:37 -0400 Subject: [LAU] A music quality article of interest (OT but not much) In-Reply-To: <524CB74E.8060100@kudla.org> References: <524CB74E.8060100@kudla.org> Message-ID: <201310022029.37194.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Wednesday 02 October 2013 20:23:34 Rob Kudla did opine: > On 2013-10-02 19:47, Pete Wright wrote: > > So now (according to Steve Guttenberg) we are back to stomped and > > pre-chewed, except around LAU where we all still roll our own one way > > or another. > > It's funny: not that I've ever really done music professionally (gigs > for beer doesn't rise to that level in my opinion), but I actually > ruined my last original project by mixing it through earbuds. I was > just really used to the way they sounded and thought they were fine. > Played back the mix on a real stereo and almost blew out the subwoofer. > (Maybe the dubsteppers would have appreciated it if it were in the key > of wom.) But on the earbuds it sounded awesome... > > I'm not sure if that means I agree with him or if I just think those > gall-darn kids need to get off my lawn, dagnabit. > The latter Rob. ;-) But all that mention does bring fond memories of some of the gear I threw together in the late 50's to listen to music. Home made Dynaco amplfiers, honking big Karlson speaker cabinets, Fairchild Battleship turntables, Weathers capacitative cartridges, all of the above, I was there too. > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A man's house is his hassle. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From atte at youmail.dk Thu Oct 3 16:31:31 2013 From: atte at youmail.dk (Atte) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 18:31:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] midi in python, 2 pygame.midi questions Message-ID: <524D9BE3.4060005@youmail.dk> Hi I'm working on some midi thing in python. I had a hard time finding a decent library. In the past I used PySeq alot, but that's tricky to install and seems un-maintained. So I settled for pygame, and it's going ok. However: 1) In PySeq I created inports and outports that were visible for instance in qjackctl. Is that possible in pygame (currently I just connect to the right client from python)? Why would I prefer one over way over the other? 2) If I unplug the connected client or press ctrl-c (my preferred way of exiting my programs) I get: PortMidi call failed... PortMidi: `Bad pointer' type ENTER... How can I exit a pygame program cleanly without getting errors? 3) One of the things I'd like to do I automatically connect to any client that shows up while the program is running and *gracefully handle it* if clients disappear while the program is running. I imagine the first is a matter of scanning for clients every now and then, but right now I get the error mentioned in 2) if I pull the plug on a device that my program is connected to. Any ideas how to handle this? Any feedback is greatly appreciated! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From dafreedm at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 04:57:09 2013 From: dafreedm at gmail.com (dafreedm at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:57:09 -0400 Subject: [LAU] No audio with Debian Wheezy (+ 3.10 bp kernel) on Intel Haswell processor... In-Reply-To: <20131002185019.GW31802@seraph> References: <20131001045743.GB18726@seraph> <20131002185019.GW31802@seraph> Message-ID: <20131004045709.GB11472@seraph> Hi, I'm running stock Debian Wheezy (7.1) --- except for a kernel upgrade (3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64) from Debian backports --- as well as XFCE, on a couple different hardware configs. However, I'm struggling to get audio to work properly on my new Intel Haswell board. (1) On a Thinkpad x220: Audio works great, out of the box (2) On a Supermicro X10SLQ (Q87 chipset) with Haswell i4770S: Audio doesn't work at all --- no audio at all comes out of standard rear headphone jack. (NOTE: Supermicro website identifies audio capabilities as provided by onboard RealTek ALC888S chipset, but lspci [below] instead identifies Intel HDA audio, courtesy of Haswell. I worry that this might be an issue.) Could this be an issue with the kernel, or should I be looking elsewhere. I was under the belief that 3.10 (unlike the 3.2 kernel that shipped with Wheezy) had fairly comprehensive support for Haswell in general! Some more information is attached below... I don't have much experience trouble-shooting audio problems, so I appreciate any suggestions / pointers. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- guest at haswell:~$ lspci -v | grep -i -A8 audio 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell HD Audio Controller (rev 06) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2010 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 52 Memory at f0534000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel -- 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device 0654 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 53 Memory at f0530000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel guest at haswell:~$ lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_realtek 32712 1 snd_hda_codec_hdmi 31720 1 snd_hda_intel 35718 5 snd_hda_codec 122850 3 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 13189 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm 68525 3 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel snd_page_alloc 13018 2 snd_pcm,snd_hda_intel snd_seq 45186 0 snd_seq_device 13176 1 snd_seq snd_timer 22773 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq snd 53068 19 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_device soundcore 13026 1 snd guest at haswell:~$ dmesg | grep -i sound [ 2.007991] input: HDA Intel MID HDMI/DP,pcm=8 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/sound/card0/input6 [ 2.008079] input: HDA Intel MID HDMI/DP,pcm=7 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/sound/card0/input7 [ 2.008131] input: HDA Intel MID HDMI/DP,pcm=3 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/sound/card0/input8 [ 2.034368] input: HDA Intel PCH Front Headphone as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input9 [ 2.034620] input: HDA Intel PCH Line Out CLFE as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input10 [ 2.034834] input: HDA Intel PCH Line Out Surround as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input11 [ 2.035018] input: HDA Intel PCH Line Out Front as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input12 [ 2.035199] input: HDA Intel PCH Line as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input13 [ 2.035383] input: HDA Intel PCH Rear Mic as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input14 [ 2.035565] input: HDA Intel PCH Front Mic as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input15 guest at haswell:~$ From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Oct 4 07:59:31 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:59:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] No audio with Debian Wheezy (+ 3.10 bp kernel) on Intel Haswell processor... In-Reply-To: <20131004045709.GB11472@seraph> References: <20131001045743.GB18726@seraph> <20131002185019.GW31802@seraph> <20131004045709.GB11472@seraph> Message-ID: <524E7563.6070908@ladisch.de> dafreedm at gmail.com wrote: > 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell HD Audio Controller (rev 06) This is the HDMI output of the integrated GPU. > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) This is the HDA controller that the HDA codec (the ALC888S) is connected to. Tell PulseAudio that you want to use the other card. If you don't use PA, put the following into /etc/asound.conf: defaults.pcm.card 1 defaults.ctl.card 1 Regards, Clemens From dafreedm at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 16:38:41 2013 From: dafreedm at gmail.com (dafreedm at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:38:41 -0400 Subject: [LAU] No audio with Debian Wheezy (+ 3.10 bp kernel) on Intel Haswell processor... In-Reply-To: <524E7563.6070908@ladisch.de> References: <20131001045743.GB18726@seraph> <20131002185019.GW31802@seraph> <20131004045709.GB11472@seraph> <524E7563.6070908@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <20131004163841.GB14615@seraph> Hi (Clemens and all), Thanks for the quick helpful reply --- it does appear that I was quite confused (I'm more accustomed to Linux server admin than desktop configs, I fear), incorrectly assuming the issue was with Haswell support... However, I'm still having issues. More inline below. On Fri, Oct 04, 2013, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > dafreedm at gmail.com wrote: > > 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell HD Audio Controller (rev 06) > > This is the HDMI output of the integrated GPU. Gotcha --- I now understand that this is the digital audio coming over the HDMI / DP aggregated video/audio outs. > > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) > > This is the HDA controller that the HDA codec (the ALC888S) is connected to. Yep, here's my Realtek chipset giving analog audio. > Tell PulseAudio that you want to use the other card. I'm not at all familiar with PA, but I read up on it a bit after your pointer. I consulted the following pages: http://askubuntu.com/questions/14077/how-can-i-change-the-default-audio-device-from-command-line http://askubuntu.com/questions/71863/how-to-change-pulseaudio-sink-with-pacmd-set-default-sink-during-playback http://askubuntu.com/questions/69820/how-do-i-set-a-pulseaudio-card-profile-persistently-across-reboots https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples Here's what I actually did. (1) I modified '/etc/pulse/default.pa' to include: load-module module-stream-restore restore_device=false Was this really necessary (for below steps)? (2) I restarted the pulse audio server by logging out (and back in), since I don't use system-wide PA (which could be restarted by init scripts) (3) I executed the following: pacmd set-default-sink 1 In retrospect, I don't think this was necessary, as I now believe that the Realtek audio card was already the default. (4) I can now successfully hear audio. Great! (5) However, it seems like I cannot properly get audio working for multiple users logged into X simultaneously (switching between them via XFCE user-switching and GDM greeter), where both are using various pulse-audio sources... I would expect (want?) PA to just cut from one use to the other, depending upon which user is the active X screen. Thoughts on this remaining problem (#5, above), please? I've attached some output from 'aplay -l' and 'pacmd info' to the bottom of this email, in case it helps. Further suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- output from 'aplay -l' ====================== **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC888-VD Analog [ALC888-VD Analog] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC888-VD Digital [ALC888-VD Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Output from 'pacmd info' ======================== Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information. >>> Memory blocks currently allocated: 43, size: 208.6 KiB. Memory blocks allocated during the whole lifetime: 558163, size: 924.4 MiB. Memory blocks imported from other processes: 42, size: 144.7 KiB. Memory blocks exported to other processes: 0, size: 0 B. Total sample cache size: 0 B. Default sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz Default channel map: front-left,front-right Default sink name: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo Default source name: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo Memory blocks of type POOL: 1 allocated/174265 accumulated. Memory blocks of type POOL_EXTERNAL: 0 allocated/0 accumulated. Memory blocks of type APPENDED: 0 allocated/0 accumulated. Memory blocks of type USER: 0 allocated/0 accumulated. Memory blocks of type FIXED: 0 allocated/239812 accumulated. Memory blocks of type IMPORTED: 42 allocated/144086 accumulated. 25 module(s) loaded. 2 sink(s) available. index: 0 name: driver: flags: HARDWARE DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY FLAT_VOLUME DYNAMIC_LATENCY state: SUSPENDED suspend cause: IDLE priority: 9950 volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB balance 0.00 base volume: 100% 0.00 dB volume steps: 65537 muted: no current latency: 0.00 ms max request: 0 KiB max rewind: 0 KiB monitor source: 0 sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz channel map: front-left,front-right Stereo used by: 0 linked by: 0 configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 371.52 ms card: 0 module: 4 properties: alsa.resolution_bits = "16" device.api = "alsa" device.class = "sound" alsa.class = "generic" alsa.subclass = "generic-mix" alsa.name = "HDMI 0" alsa.id = "HDMI 0" alsa.subdevice = "0" alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0" alsa.device = "3" alsa.card = "0" alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel MID" alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel MID at 0xf0534000 irq 52" alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel" device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:03.0" sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/sound/card0" device.bus = "pci" device.vendor.id = "8086" device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation" device.product.name = "Haswell HD Audio Controller" device.form_factor = "internal" device.string = "hdmi:0" device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536" device.buffering.fragment_size = "32768" device.access_mode = "mmap+timer" device.profile.name = "hdmi-stereo" device.profile.description = "Digital Stereo (HDMI)" device.description = "Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI)" alsa.mixer_name = "Intel Haswell HDMI" alsa.components = "HDA:80862807,80860101,00100000" module-udev-detect.discovered = "1" device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci" ports: hdmi-output-0: HDMI / DisplayPort (priority 5900, available: no) properties: active port: * index: 1 name: driver: flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY FLAT_VOLUME DYNAMIC_LATENCY state: RUNNING suspend cause: priority: 9959 volume: 0: 84% 1: 84% 0: -4.40 dB 1: -4.40 dB balance 0.00 base volume: 100% 0.00 dB volume steps: 65537 muted: yes current latency: 25.26 ms max request: 4 KiB max rewind: 64 KiB monitor source: 1 sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz channel map: front-left,front-right Stereo used by: 1 linked by: 1 configured latency: 26.00 ms; range is 26.00 .. 371.52 ms card: 1 module: 5 properties: alsa.resolution_bits = "16" device.api = "alsa" device.class = "sound" alsa.class = "generic" alsa.subclass = "generic-mix" alsa.name = "ALC888-VD Analog" alsa.id = "ALC888-VD Analog" alsa.subdevice = "0" alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0" alsa.device = "0" alsa.card = "1" alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel PCH" alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel PCH at 0xf0530000 irq 53" alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel" device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1b.0" sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1" device.bus = "pci" device.vendor.id = "8086" device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation" device.product.name = "Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller" device.form_factor = "internal" device.string = "front:1" device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536" device.buffering.fragment_size = "32768" device.access_mode = "mmap+timer" device.profile.name = "analog-stereo" device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo" device.description = "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo" alsa.mixer_name = "Realtek ALC888-VD" alsa.components = "HDA:10ec0888,15d90654,00100302" module-udev-detect.discovered = "1" device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci" ports: analog-output: Analog Output (priority 9900, available: unknown) properties: analog-output-headphones: Headphones (priority 9000, available: unknown) properties: active port: 3 source(s) available. index: 0 name: driver: flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY state: SUSPENDED suspend cause: IDLE priority: 1950 volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB balance 0.00 base volume: 100% 0.00 dB volume steps: 65537 muted: no current latency: 0.00 ms max rewind: 0 KiB sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz channel map: front-left,front-right Stereo used by: 0 linked by: 0 configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 371.52 ms monitor_of: 0 card: 0 module: 4 properties: device.description = "Monitor of Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI)" device.class = "monitor" alsa.card = "0" alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel MID" alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel MID at 0xf0534000 irq 52" alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel" device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:03.0" sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/sound/card0" device.bus = "pci" device.vendor.id = "8086" device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation" device.product.name = "Haswell HD Audio Controller" device.form_factor = "internal" device.string = "0" module-udev-detect.discovered = "1" device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci" index: 1 name: driver: flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY state: IDLE suspend cause: priority: 1950 volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB balance 0.00 base volume: 100% 0.00 dB volume steps: 65537 muted: no current latency: 0.00 ms max rewind: 64 KiB sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz channel map: front-left,front-right Stereo used by: 0 linked by: 0 configured latency: 371.52 ms; range is 26.00 .. 371.52 ms monitor_of: 1 card: 1 module: 5 properties: device.description = "Monitor of Built-in Audio Analog Stereo" device.class = "monitor" alsa.card = "1" alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel PCH" alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel PCH at 0xf0530000 irq 53" alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel" device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1b.0" sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1" device.bus = "pci" device.vendor.id = "8086" device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation" device.product.name = "Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller" device.form_factor = "internal" device.string = "1" module-udev-detect.discovered = "1" device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci" * index: 2 name: driver: flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY state: SUSPENDED suspend cause: IDLE priority: 9959 volume: 0: 15% 1: 15% 0: -49.00 dB 1: -49.00 dB balance 0.00 base volume: 10% -60.00 dB volume steps: 65537 muted: no current latency: 0.00 ms max rewind: 0 KiB sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz channel map: front-left,front-right Stereo used by: 0 linked by: 0 configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 371.52 ms card: 1 module: 5 properties: alsa.resolution_bits = "16" device.api = "alsa" device.class = "sound" alsa.class = "generic" alsa.subclass = "generic-mix" alsa.name = "ALC888-VD Analog" alsa.id = "ALC888-VD Analog" alsa.subdevice = "0" alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0" alsa.device = "0" alsa.card = "1" alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel PCH" alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel PCH at 0xf0530000 irq 53" alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel" device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1b.0" sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1" device.bus = "pci" device.vendor.id = "8086" device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation" device.product.name = "Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller" device.form_factor = "internal" device.string = "front:1" device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536" device.buffering.fragment_size = "32768" device.access_mode = "mmap+timer" device.profile.name = "analog-stereo" device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo" device.description = "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo" alsa.mixer_name = "Realtek ALC888-VD" alsa.components = "HDA:10ec0888,15d90654,00100302" module-udev-detect.discovered = "1" device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci" ports: analog-input-microphone-front: Front Microphone (priority 8500, available: no) properties: analog-input-microphone-rear: Rear Microphone (priority 8200, available: no) properties: analog-input-linein: Line In (priority 8100, available: no) properties: active port: 21 client(s) logged in. index: 1 driver: owner module: 13 properties: application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session12" console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session12" index: 9 driver: owner module: 13 properties: application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session19" console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session19" index: 12 driver: owner module: 7 properties: application.name = "xfce4-volumed" native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client" native-protocol.version = "26" application.process.id = "10462" application.process.user = "dafreedm" application.process.host = "workstation" application.process.binary = "xfce4-volumed" window.x11.display = ":2.0" application.language = "en_US.UTF-8" application.process.machine_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b" application.process.session_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b-1380896648.49883-584497463" index: 13 driver: owner module: 7 properties: application.name = "xfce4-volumed" native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client" native-protocol.version = "26" application.process.id = "10462" application.process.user = "dafreedm" application.process.host = "workstation" 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native-protocol.version = "26" application.process.id = "14066" application.process.user = "dafreedm" application.process.host = "workstation" application.process.binary = "xfce4-mixer" window.x11.display = ":2.0" application.language = "en_US.UTF-8" application.process.machine_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b" application.process.session_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b-1380896648.49883-584497463" application.icon_name = "multimedia-volume-control" index: 87 driver: owner module: 7 properties: application.name = "Mixer" native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client" native-protocol.version = "26" application.process.id = "14066" application.process.user = "dafreedm" application.process.host = "workstation" application.process.binary = "xfce4-mixer" window.x11.display = ":2.0" application.language = "en_US.UTF-8" application.process.machine_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b" application.process.session_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b-1380896648.49883-584497463" application.icon_name = "multimedia-volume-control" index: 88 driver: owner module: 7 properties: application.name = "Mixer" native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client" native-protocol.version = "26" application.process.id = "14066" application.process.user = "dafreedm" application.process.host = "workstation" application.process.binary = "xfce4-mixer" window.x11.display = ":2.0" application.language = "en_US.UTF-8" application.process.machine_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b" application.process.session_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b-1380896648.49883-584497463" application.icon_name = "multimedia-volume-control" index: 110 driver: owner module: 24 properties: application.name = "UNIX socket client" 2 card(s) available. index: 0 name: driver: owner module: 4 properties: alsa.card = "0" alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel MID" alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel MID at 0xf0534000 irq 52" alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel" device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:03.0" sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/sound/card0" device.bus = "pci" device.vendor.id = "8086" device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation" device.product.name = "Haswell HD Audio Controller" device.form_factor = "internal" device.string = "0" device.description = "Built-in Audio" module-udev-detect.discovered = "1" device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci" profiles: output:hdmi-stereo: Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output (priority 5400) output:hdmi-surround: Digital Surround 5.1 (HDMI) Output (priority 300) output:hdmi-stereo-extra1: Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output (priority 5200) output:hdmi-surround-extra1: Digital Surround 5.1 (HDMI) Output (priority 100) output:hdmi-stereo-extra2: Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output (priority 5200) output:hdmi-surround-extra2: Digital Surround 5.1 (HDMI) Output (priority 100) off: Off (priority 0) active profile: sinks: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_03.0.hdmi-stereo/#0: Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) sources: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_03.0.hdmi-stereo.monitor/#0: Monitor of Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) ports: hdmi-output-0: HDMI / DisplayPort (priority 5900, available: no) properties: hdmi-output-1: HDMI / DisplayPort 2 (priority 5800, available: no) properties: hdmi-output-2: HDMI / DisplayPort 3 (priority 5700, available: no) properties: index: 1 name: driver: owner module: 5 properties: alsa.card = "1" alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel PCH" alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel PCH at 0xf0530000 irq 53" alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel" device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1b.0" sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1" device.bus = "pci" device.vendor.id = "8086" device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation" device.product.name = "Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller" device.form_factor = "internal" device.string = "1" device.description = "Built-in Audio" module-udev-detect.discovered = "1" device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci" profiles: output:analog-stereo: Analog Stereo Output (priority 6000) output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo: Analog Stereo Duplex (priority 6060) output:analog-surround-40: Analog Surround 4.0 Output (priority 700) output:analog-surround-40+input:analog-stereo: Analog Surround 4.0 Output + Analog Stereo Input (priority 760) output:analog-surround-41: Analog Surround 4.1 Output (priority 800) output:analog-surround-41+input:analog-stereo: Analog Surround 4.1 Output + Analog Stereo Input (priority 860) output:analog-surround-50: Analog Surround 5.0 Output (priority 700) output:analog-surround-50+input:analog-stereo: Analog Surround 5.0 Output + Analog Stereo Input (priority 760) output:analog-surround-51: Analog Surround 5.1 Output (priority 800) output:analog-surround-51+input:analog-stereo: Analog Surround 5.1 Output + Analog Stereo Input (priority 860) output:iec958-stereo: Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output (priority 5500) output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-stereo: Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output + Analog Stereo Input (priority 5560) input:analog-stereo: Analog Stereo Input (priority 60) off: Off (priority 0) active profile: sinks: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo/#1: Built-in Audio Analog Stereo sources: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo.monitor/#1: Monitor of Built-in Audio Analog Stereo alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo/#2: Built-in Audio Analog Stereo ports: analog-output: Analog Output (priority 9900, available: unknown) properties: analog-output-headphones: Headphones (priority 9000, available: unknown) properties: analog-input-microphone-front: Front Microphone (priority 8500, available: no) properties: analog-input-microphone-rear: Rear Microphone (priority 8200, available: no) properties: analog-input-linein: Line In (priority 8100, available: no) properties: iec958-stereo-output: Digital Output (S/PDIF) (priority 0, available: unknown) properties: 1 sink input(s) available. index: 2 driver: flags: state: RUNNING sink: 1 volume: 0: 84% 1: 84% 0: -4.40 dB 1: -4.40 dB balance 0.00 muted: no current latency: 454.78 ms requested latency: 20.00 ms sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz channel map: front-left,front-right Stereo resample method: (null) module: 7 client: 34 properties: media.name = "ALSA Playback" application.name = "ALSA plug-in [plugin-container]" native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client" native-protocol.version = "26" application.process.id = "10541" application.process.user = "dafreedm" application.process.host = "workstation" application.process.binary = "plugin-container" window.x11.display = ":2.0" application.language = "en_US.UTF-8" application.process.machine_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b" application.process.session_id = "6z782a30g5fe1b102b1f2d8e1214fc0b-1380896648.49883-584497463" module-stream-restore.id = "sink-input-by-application-name:ALSA plug-in [plugin-container]" 0 source outputs(s) available. 0 cache entrie(s) available. >>> From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Fri Oct 4 21:47:20 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 22:47:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] fltk linking problem Message-ID: <20131004224720.691272ff@debian> Over the last few weeks I've been going through Yoshimi with a fine-tooth comb bug hunting, with some success (and much frustration). I'm doing this on my 'office' computer which is running debian testing on a 64bit AMD - fairly similar to my music machine. During the week, I did an update via synaptic and now suddenly when I try to compile Yoshimi it fails to link, giving the message: Linking CXX executable yoshimi /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfltk.a(Fl_x.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlsym@@GLIBC_2.2.5' /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [yoshimi] Error 1 make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 will at debian:~/yoshimi_20130926/src$ The investigating I've done suggests that something has changed in cmake so that yoshimi now needs a more 'correct' identification of fltk. I sort of gathered that cmake.txt was the place to look, but doing so tells me nothing. fltk is there but none of the information really makes sense to me. Although I don't like doing anything experimental on my music machine, I can do that for the time being as it is running an earlier version of the distro but presumably the new requirement will eventually hit the stable releases. Can someone help me sort this out please. P.S. A current version of ZynAddSubFX doesn't have this problem, but the build structure is now very different so I couldn't find any points of comparison. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From mis at artengine.ca Fri Oct 4 22:07:12 2013 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 18:07:12 -0400 Subject: [LAU] midi in python, 2 pygame.midi questions In-Reply-To: <524D9BE3.4060005@youmail.dk> References: <524D9BE3.4060005@youmail.dk> Message-ID: I used to use pypm but it has become a bit of a pain (in my case, I also had to deploy on MacOSX which became almost impossible without jumping through hoops). So I found portmidizero (https://gitorious.org/portmidizero) which so far seems to be doing the job but I have not yet worked with it extensively. However, you cannot install it with easy-install as there are errors in setup.py (description repeated twice or something like that... grab the gitorious source, hack it and do setup.py install). pygame seems like an overkill just for MIDI functionality... Good luck. Micha? On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Atte wrote: > Hi > > I'm working on some midi thing in python. I had a hard time finding a > decent library. In the past I used PySeq alot, but that's tricky to install > and seems un-maintained. So I settled for pygame, and it's going ok. > However: > > 1) In PySeq I created inports and outports that were visible for instance > in qjackctl. Is that possible in pygame (currently I just connect to the > right client from python)? Why would I prefer one over way over the other? > > 2) If I unplug the connected client or press ctrl-c (my preferred way of > exiting my programs) I get: > > PortMidi call failed... > PortMidi: `Bad pointer' > type ENTER... > > How can I exit a pygame program cleanly without getting errors? > > 3) One of the things I'd like to do I automatically connect to any client > that shows up while the program is running and *gracefully handle it* if > clients disappear while the program is running. I imagine the first is a > matter of scanning for clients every now and then, but right now I get the > error mentioned in 2) if I pull the plug on a device that my program is > connected to. Any ideas how to handle this? > > Any feedback is greatly appreciated! > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at rektau.ukfsn.org Sat Oct 5 00:27:10 2013 From: rob at rektau.ukfsn.org (rob) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 01:27:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] fltk linking problem In-Reply-To: <20131004224720.691272ff@debian> References: <20131004224720.691272ff@debian> Message-ID: <20131005012710.486be905@ferkin-debian2-init.arrgghh> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 22:47:20 +0100 Will Godfrey wrote: > Over the last few weeks I've been going through Yoshimi with a > fine-tooth comb bug hunting, with some success (and much > frustration). I'm doing this on my 'office' computer which is running > debian testing on a 64bit AMD - fairly similar to my music machine. > > During the week, I did an update via synaptic and now suddenly when I > try to compile Yoshimi it fails to link, giving the message: > > Linking CXX executable yoshimi > /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfltk.a(Fl_x.o): undefined > reference to symbol > 'dlsym@@GLIBC_2.2.5' /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2: error adding > symbols: DSO missing from command line collect2: error: ld returned 1 > exit status make[2]: *** [yoshimi] Error 1 make[1]: *** > [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 > will at debian:~/yoshimi_20130926/src$ > > The investigating I've done suggests that something has changed in > cmake so that yoshimi now needs a more 'correct' identification of > fltk. I sort of gathered that cmake.txt was the place to look, but > doing so tells me nothing. fltk is there but none of the information > really makes sense to me. > > > Although I don't like doing anything experimental on my music > machine, I can do that for the time being as it is running an earlier > version of the distro but presumably the new requirement will > eventually hit the stable releases. > > Can someone help me sort this out please. > > P.S. > A current version of ZynAddSubFX doesn't have this problem, but the > build structure is now very different so I couldn't find any points > of comparison. > > Been getting the same problem with various builds. It's something to do with linking libraries that has changed recently. Maybe a developer can explain. What I've been doing is adding the missing link to the build files. In your case adding -ldl to src/build/CMakeCache.txt, after you have run cmake. I added it to both C_FLAGS and CXX_FLAGS CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS:STRING="-ldl" CMAKE_C_FLAGS:STRING="-ldl" No guarantees but it worked for me. rob From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Oct 5 02:34:08 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 22:34:08 -0400 Subject: [LAU] fltk linking problem In-Reply-To: <20131004224720.691272ff@debian> References: <20131004224720.691272ff@debian> Message-ID: on modern linkers you must now (a) explicitly link all required libraries (*) (b) use the correct order for dependencies (c) list libraries multiple times where necessary to fully resolve (semi-circular) dependencies. this changed a while back and has slowly been spreading through the linux ecosystem. (*) not 100% certain on this one, but it doesn't hurt :) On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > Over the last few weeks I've been going through Yoshimi with a fine-tooth > comb > bug hunting, with some success (and much frustration). I'm doing this on > my 'office' computer which is running debian testing on a 64bit AMD - > fairly > similar to my music machine. > > During the week, I did an update via synaptic and now suddenly when I try > to > compile Yoshimi it fails to link, giving the message: > > Linking CXX executable yoshimi > /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfltk.a(Fl_x.o): undefined > reference > to symbol 'dlsym@@GLIBC_2.2.5' /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2: error > adding > symbols: DSO missing from command line collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit > status make[2]: *** [yoshimi] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/all] Error 2 > make: *** [all] Error 2 > will at debian:~/yoshimi_20130926/src$ > > The investigating I've done suggests that something has changed in cmake so > that yoshimi now needs a more 'correct' identification of fltk. I sort of > gathered that cmake.txt was the place to look, but doing so tells me > nothing. > fltk is there but none of the information really makes sense to me. > > > Although I don't like doing anything experimental on my music machine, I > can do > that for the time being as it is running an earlier version of the distro > but > presumably the new requirement will eventually hit the stable releases. > > Can someone help me sort this out please. > > P.S. > A current version of ZynAddSubFX doesn't have this problem, but the build > structure is now very different so I couldn't find any points of > comparison. > > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brendan.jones.it at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 08:49:24 2013 From: brendan.jones.it at gmail.com (Brendan Jones) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 10:49:24 +0200 Subject: [LAU] fltk linking problem In-Reply-To: <20131005012710.486be905@ferkin-debian2-init.arrgghh> References: <20131004224720.691272ff@debian> <20131005012710.486be905@ferkin-debian2-init.arrgghh> Message-ID: <524FD294.2070605@gmail.com> On 10/05/2013 02:27 AM, rob wrote: > On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 22:47:20 +0100 > Will Godfrey wrote: > >> Over the last few weeks I've been going through Yoshimi with a >> fine-tooth comb bug hunting, with some success (and much >> frustration). I'm doing this on my 'office' computer which is running >> debian testing on a 64bit AMD - fairly similar to my music machine. >> >> During the week, I did an update via synaptic and now suddenly when I >> try to compile Yoshimi it fails to link, giving the message: >> >> Linking CXX executable yoshimi >> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfltk.a(Fl_x.o): undefined >> reference to symbol >> 'dlsym@@GLIBC_2.2.5' /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2: error adding >> symbols: DSO missing from command line collect2: error: ld returned 1 >> exit status make[2]: *** [yoshimi] Error 1 make[1]: *** >> [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 >> will at debian:~/yoshimi_20130926/src$ >> >> The investigating I've done suggests that something has changed in >> cmake so that yoshimi now needs a more 'correct' identification of >> fltk. I sort of gathered that cmake.txt was the place to look, but >> doing so tells me nothing. fltk is there but none of the information >> really makes sense to me. >> >> >> Although I don't like doing anything experimental on my music >> machine, I can do that for the time being as it is running an earlier >> version of the distro but presumably the new requirement will >> eventually hit the stable releases. >> >> Can someone help me sort this out please. >> >> P.S. >> A current version of ZynAddSubFX doesn't have this problem, but the >> build structure is now very different so I couldn't find any points >> of comparison. >> >> > > Been getting the same problem with various builds. It's something to do > with linking libraries that has changed recently. Maybe a developer > can explain. What I've been doing is adding the missing link to the > build files. In your case adding -ldl to src/build/CMakeCache.txt, > after you have run cmake. I added it to both C_FLAGS and CXX_FLAGS > > CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS:STRING="-ldl" > CMAKE_C_FLAGS:STRING="-ldl" > > No guarantees but it worked for me. > > rob > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Outlined here: https://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking It's been this way in Fedora now for a while. A better explanation here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange From k.s.matheussen at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 13:27:26 2013 From: k.s.matheussen at gmail.com (Kjetil Matheussen) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 15:27:26 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Radium 1.9.31 Message-ID: Radium 1.9.31 is a big release with many new features and bug fixes. 1.9.31 is the first release with Pd embedded. Pd is a " Real-time graphical dataflow programming environment for audio, video, and graphical processing." (http://puredata.info/) Pd embedded in Radium has got approximately the same features as Max for Ableton Live. (https://www.ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/) Screenshot: http://folk.uio.no/ksvalast/radiumpd.png Video 1: http://folk.uio.no/ksvalast/radium_pd.ogv Video 2: http://folk.uio.no/ksvalast/radium-pd-invertnote.ogv Radium homepage: http://users.notam02.no/~kjetism/radium/ Most important changes 1.9.30 -> 1.9.31: * New demo song: BlowFish! Made by www.magnetophon.nl * Save hashmap elements in sorted order so that songs can more easily be compared textually * Menu entry to show name of all included pd externals * Help menu options to edit keybindings and menues * Song comment dialog * Fix "Switch Window Configuration" menu option * Removed "Error. y2>=window->height: ..." error. Just print to stderr instead. * Removed the "Something strange just happened in the function Blt_markVisible" warning (print to stderr instead) * Option to set number of scrolls per second. Scrolling too often can be tiresome for the eyes. * Make it easier to connect objects and see connections in the mixer, plus adjust object sizes * Patchbay sound object * Fix crash loading Soundfonts in the Fluidsynth and Sampler instrument * Show stars around filename if theres unsaved data * When quitting or loading, only ask sure/yes/no if edited since last save. * Change "Set Patch For Track" to "Set Instrument For Track" in the instruments menu. The word "patch" should not be exposed to the user anymore. * Be able to load files with DOS char set * Changed internal radium block size to 64 (similar to Pd) * Sending note events between sound objects (green lines) * Enable undo for on/off effect controllers * Pd extended is included as a sound object. 921 externals are included. GUI is working. Several instances is working. Can be used to write both audio effects and note effects. * Fix qt paths on Archlinux (Javafant/archlinux) * Many minor bug fixes From robin at gareus.org Sat Oct 5 16:56:07 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 18:56:07 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 Message-ID: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> Hi, In the wake of overhauling Ardour's bar-graph meters, I've taken the time to implement corresponding needle-style meters and more. meters.lv2 features 10 needle-style meters. Mono and stereo variants of DIN, Nordic, EBU, BBC and VU types (which are based on jmeters by Fons Adriaensen). Additionally it includes a Stereo Phase Correlation Meter (needle Display), an EBU-R128 Meter (also based on Fons' implementation) with Histogram and History display, a Digital True-Peak Meter (4x Oversampling, using zita-resampler), a Stereo Phase Scope (Goniometer) and a 31 Band Spectrum-Analyzer. Source-code, info and screenshots can be found at https://github.com/x42/meters.lv2 They have been tested in various environments and fine-tuned to match their corresponding real hardware type by Chris Goddard and Axel M?ller. Currently the plugins come in Gtk2 (LV2 GtkUI) and openGL (LV2 #external-ui) variants. Both versions are installed in parallel. The main reason for this is portability and compatibility. Yet the GTK variant UI does run in the host's GUI-thread and may slow down UI response (in particular the goniometer). The openGL versions of the plugins do not have this issue, but require very recent versions of libcairo, libpixman and libpango which are thread-safe. Please see the README included with the source. Caveat: Note that the plugins use the LV2 idle-interface (lv2 >= 1.4.2) The plugin-host must to be compiled with 1.4.2 or a later version of the LV2 SDK. It also must support the http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/resize-port/ extension. At the time of writing Ardour 3.4 and jalv.gtk from SVN >= 5129 do fulfill these criteria. as always, any feedback is welcome. robin From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Oct 5 18:43:43 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 19:43:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] fltk linking problem -resolved ...I think! In-Reply-To: <524FD294.2070605@gmail.com> References: <20131004224720.691272ff@debian> <20131005012710.486be905@ferkin-debian2-init.arrgghh> <524FD294.2070605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131005194343.34893f5e@debian> Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions. They were all very helpful, although the eventual solution proved to be ridiculously simple. Cal had constructed quite an involved build system with lots of options editable with ccmake. All I had to do was add -ldl to the build I was performing :o Having said that, what was initially quite frustrating was that some of the other things I tried (like directly editing cmake_cache) also worked, but being finicky about repeatbility I would then try to revert the changes, only to find it still linked! I couldn't find out where cmake stored this information but eventually hit on the idea of fetching several fresh copies, and renaming them as yoshimi_1 ... 2.... etc. So... I think I've got it sorted. There is a lot I still don't understand but some of the ideas are beginning to stick :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From el.doctor at laposte.net Sat Oct 5 20:00:30 2013 From: el.doctor at laposte.net (MK aka El Doctor) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 22:00:30 +0200 Subject: [LAU] io GNU/Linux... new iso uploded :) Message-ID: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> Hi :) I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb focused on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. Kernel 3.11, Jack2 as default sound server, e17+ecomorph as desktop environment and more nice stuff ;) -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io.gnu.linux-v2/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.04-15.27.packages.html To create a bootable USB stick please refer to: -> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#186 For more infos, screenshots gallery, video etc... Please visit: -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ Enjoy :) MK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ken at restivo.org Sun Oct 6 08:37:48 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 01:37:48 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Some music made with linux, from the vaults In-Reply-To: References: <20130923210652.GA15681@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131006083748.GA8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:23:30AM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Ken! > Nice tracks. Not my top five out of your tracks, but definitely > nice. :-) I like both titles very much though. They convey something > eccentric and slightly nerdy. :-) They were experiments. Glad you liked them though. > I didn't start on the right foot with breakfast at 1. I thought: > why 808, why not 909? This question however was answered quickly, > when the Rhodes joined the funfair. Nice touch that! In combination > with the Rhodes, the 808 made much more sense to me. It left the > piano more space to breathe and roominate. I love those funky/jazzy > reminiscences. Something I can never pull off, as well as you can. > No rock 'n' role and no funk. :-) Nice little track! I looked at the Hydrogen file; it's actually a TR-606. Cheez-o-rama. And it's in 7/4. Of course. > Allure oddmeter, did hold a slight allure. Unfortunately something > had to be steady in this song and the poor old drumtrack had to > suffer that dubious pleasure. :-( If that had been replaced with a > real drummer or a drumkit of any sort played live or programmed in > interesting and twisted ways, this would have been on its way to a > smash-hit. :-) Oddly though, I didn't find the 9/4 too confusing. > Perhaps I didn't always follow the twists and turns of the bassline, > but it felt comfrotable to listen to. Enough so, tht I could enjoy > the mean basslines. Not as predominant and pregnant, as I've heard > them in some of your other songs, but it was there. While listening > and discovering the acoustic piano, I started thinking, that one > could probably have fun with this piece, writing an analysis of the > composer's intentions. So many events and twists, for such a small > arrangement and that style of music, that one could assign to > underlying themes, desires and messages of the author. :-) Coming > back into the non-fictional world, those ongoings are, what makes > this piece interesting, in spite of the looped drums. It was me exploring my Dosh obsession-- before I'd ever heard of Dosh. Odd meters in shifting synchronization, kind of like if Steve Reich and the minimalists came from a more African than European background. My old drummer called it "windsheild wiper music", as in, when two windsheild wipers on a car with two wiper motors drift in and out of sync. It was just a rough sketch. The mix would need more pads and stuff, and the arrangement would need to go somewhere; it's too static. > May I finish this with a wish: do more housekeeping and cleaning, > perhaps you'll find more. :-) I will hope for the best and leave you > to being prepared for the worst. - Honestly: both of them nice, > sturdy tracks, not catchy, but catching. Thanks. I don't think there's too much more left in there, but I'll keep looking. -ken From ken at restivo.org Sun Oct 6 08:59:15 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 01:59:15 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? Message-ID: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> A friend asked me if I had a Theramin sound. I figured, I could cheat with a sine wave or a deeply-filtered sawtooth maybe, but then I thought, hmm, what is a real Theramin wave anyway? Google Images pumped me up nicely: http://www.horst-theremin.com/images/_mid%20600%20Hz.jpg Diagrams for waveforms of the original Lev Termen and RCA instruments, and the Moog and Big Briar Theramins, that I was able to find, also look similar to the above. And, umm, that ain't no sine wave. It's got some strange bias, louder on the positive than the negative side, more rounded and sine-like on the negative side, and more like a sawtooth on the positive side. I'm told it's also non-linear and the waveform for the lower and higher notes look slightly different, but one thing at a time. So I thought, well, maybe I could hack up a LADSPA oscillator plugin that does that weird waveform. Looked at the SDK, and sure enough, in the sine.cpp file, there's an initialize_sine_table() that looks like the right place to put the wave. It's just a table of floats, looks like. However, my DSP and maths skills stop right about there. I have no idea how to generate the points on that oddball waveform in such a way that they could be dumped into, say, g_pfSineTable. Has anyone already done this? Anyone want to take a shot at it? -ken From fons at linuxaudio.org Sun Oct 6 10:55:15 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:55:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:59:15AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: > http://www.horst-theremin.com/images/_mid%20600%20Hz.jpg You don't need to reproduce the waveform, but the spectrum, which is roughly: Freq Amp --------------- 1 1.000 2 0.191 3 0.065 4 0.041 5 0.019 6 0.012 Apart from that the sound will be frequency and amplitude modulated by minute movements of the player's hands. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From david.santamauro at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 11:25:24 2013 From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:25:24 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <525148A4.1060900@gmail.com> On 10/06/2013 06:55 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:59:15AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: > >> http://www.horst-theremin.com/images/_mid%20600%20Hz.jpg > > You don't need to reproduce the waveform, but the spectrum, > which is roughly: > > Freq Amp > --------------- > 1 1.000 > 2 0.191 > 3 0.065 > 4 0.041 > 5 0.019 > 6 0.012 > > Apart from that the sound will be frequency and amplitude > modulated by minute movements of the player's hands. > > Ciao, > Fascinating. http://www.ted.com/talks/pamelia_kurstin_plays_the_theremin.html From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Sun Oct 6 12:07:24 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 01:07:24 +1300 Subject: [LAU] io GNU/Linux... new iso uploded :) In-Reply-To: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> Message-ID: <20131006120724.GF24494@tal> On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:00:30PM +0200, MK aka El Doctor wrote: > Hi :) > > I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb focused > on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. So there is presently no existing .iso image available for download? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From termtech at rogers.com Sun Oct 6 18:00:44 2013 From: termtech at rogers.com (Tim E. Real) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:00:44 -0400 Subject: [LAU] io GNU/Linux... new iso uploded :) In-Reply-To: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> Message-ID: <3915808.eqF5dlyGUP@col-desktop> On October 5, 2013 10:00:30 PM MK aka El Doctor wrote: > Hi :) > > I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb > focused on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. > > Kernel 3.11, Jack2 as default sound server, e17+ecomorph as desktop > environment and more nice stuff ;) > -> > http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io.gnu.linux-v2/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.0 > 4-15.27.packages.html > > To create a bootable USB stick please refer to: > -> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#186 > > For more infos, screenshots gallery, video etc... Please visit: > -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html > -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ > > Enjoy :) > > MK The MusE sequencer does not appear to be on the list. Possible to include it? Thanks. Tim. From bruviaro at scu.edu Sun Oct 6 19:08:36 2013 From: bruviaro at scu.edu (Bruno Ruviaro) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 12:08:36 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> Message-ID: Plug and play in my experience. No issues at all. Plus, I love the big volume dial on the top. ;-) Bruno On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: > I've been offered the loan of one of these. Does anyone know if it plays > nicely > with Linux? > > Is it plug-and-play, sacrifice a goat, or somewhere in between? > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harryhaaren at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 19:28:58 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 20:28:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OpenAV : ArtyFX plugin suite Message-ID: Hey All, Its my pleasure to announce the ArtyFX plugin suite! The plugins included are Masha, Roomy, Ducka and Filta. Checkout http://www.openavproductions.com/artyfx for a demo reel and details! Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at restivo.org Sun Oct 6 20:29:23 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 13:29:23 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:59:15AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > http://www.horst-theremin.com/images/_mid%20600%20Hz.jpg > > You don't need to reproduce the waveform, but the spectrum, > which is roughly: > > Freq Amp > --------------- > 1 1.000 > 2 0.191 > 3 0.065 > 4 0.041 > 5 0.019 > 6 0.012 Cool, thanks. How would one do that with LADSPA plugins? 6 sine wave oscillators into a mixer, one for each harmonic? I vaguely remember seeing an oscillator (maybe in AMS?) that had mixer settings for various harmonics, but I'm pretty sure it only went up to the first 3. Also, were you really able to come up with that harmonic recipe just by looking at that waveform? If so, I find that remarkably impressive. > > Apart from that the sound will be frequency and amplitude > modulated by minute movements of the player's hands. > True, that has a lot to do with the sound. I was thinking a ribbon controller or a simple X-Y trackpad (or an OSC thing on an Android tablet) would take care of that. -ken From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sun Oct 6 20:38:22 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 21:38:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131006213822.24256b15@debian> On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 13:29:23 -0700 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:59:15AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > > > http://www.horst-theremin.com/images/_mid%20600%20Hz.jpg > > > > You don't need to reproduce the waveform, but the spectrum, > > which is roughly: > > > > Freq Amp > > --------------- > > 1 1.000 > > 2 0.191 > > 3 0.065 > > 4 0.041 > > 5 0.019 > > 6 0.012 > > Cool, thanks. > > How would one do that with LADSPA plugins? 6 sine wave oscillators into a mixer, one for each harmonic? > > I vaguely remember seeing an oscillator (maybe in AMS?) that had mixer settings for various harmonics, but I'm pretty sure it only went up to the first 3. > > Also, were you really able to come up with that harmonic recipe just by looking at that waveform? If so, I find that remarkably impressive. I had a go at this with AdSynth in yoshimi but the harmonic amplitude only has 64 steps (which I think are linear). I worked to the nearest approximation, which left 6th harmonic at zero. It sounds sort-of right but not totally convincing. > > > > Apart from that the sound will be frequency and amplitude > > modulated by minute movements of the player's hands. > > > > True, that has a lot to do with the sound. I was thinking a ribbon controller or a simple X-Y trackpad (or an OSC thing on an Android tablet) would take care of that. To get somewhere near this I put a light delayed vibrato on it, enabled portamento and used the pitch wheel on my keyboard. A touch of reverb and I was nearly doing the effects of 'The Forbidden Planet' :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From fons at linuxaudio.org Sun Oct 6 20:59:21 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 20:59:21 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131006205921.GA2651@linuxaudio.org> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:29:23PM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: > How would one do that with LADSPA plugins? 6 sine > wave oscillators into a mixer, one for each harmonic? Yes, but 3 or 4 would probably be enough. Anything below 0.01 is suspect anyway. > I vaguely remember seeing an oscillator (maybe in AMS?) > that had mixer settings for various harmonics, but I'm > pretty sure it only went up to the first 3. No, it goes up to 20 or so. But you'll have zillions of envelope parameters to adjust. Or just use three simple sine oscillators. > Also, were you really able to come up with that > harmonic recipe just by looking at that waveform? > If so, I find that remarkably impressive. Of course not :-) I digitised the waveform using a simple program that writes mouse clicks to a text file. Then a few lines of Python: #!/usr/bin/python from math import * X = [ 0.00, 0.70, 1.30, 2.00, 2.70, 3.25, 4.00, 4.65, 5.15, 5.85, 6.35, 6.95, 7.40, 7.95, 8.30, 8.75, 9.10, 9.55, 10.00, 10.25, 10.55, 10.90, 11.20, 11.53, 11.70, 11.40, 10.98, 10.10, 9.10, 8.00, 6.90, 5.75, 4.45, 3.20, 2.10, 1.01, 0.00, -1.00, -1.98, -2.90, -3.70, -4.25, -5.00, -5.60, -6.10, -6.60, -7.02, -7.35, -7.80, -8.00, -8.15, -8.30, -8.40, -8.46, -8.50, -8.50, -8.47, -8.45, -8.27, -8.10, -7.99, -7.80, -7.55, -7.25, -7.00, -6.67, -6.35, -6.05, -5.65, -5.30, -4.98, -4.50, -4.05, -3.60, -3.05, -2.60, -2.00, -1.45, -0.80 ] N = len(X) def analyse(f): sx = 0 sy = 0 w = f * 2 * pi / N for i in range(N): sx += X [i] * sin (i * w) sy += X [i] * cos (i * w) m = hypot (sx, sy) a = atan2(sy, sx) * 180 / pi return m, a for i in range (1, 11): m, a = analyse (i) if i == 1: m1 = m print ("%3d %10.3f %8.1f" % (i, m / m1, a)) > > Apart from that the sound will be frequency and amplitude > > modulated by minute movements of the player's hands. > > True, that has a lot to do with the sound. I was thinking > a ribbon controller or a simple X-Y trackpad (or an OSC > thing on an Android tablet) would take care of that. It would have to have sufficient bandwidth and resolution, both very high on the original. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From harryhaaren at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 21:12:03 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 22:12:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006205921.GA2651@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006205921.GA2651@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > #!/usr/bin/python > > from math import * > > > X = [ 0.00, 0.70, 1.30, 2.00, 2.70, 3.25, 4.00, 4.65, 5.15, 5.85, > 6.35, 6.95, 7.40, 7.95, 8.30, 8.75, 9.10, 9.55, 10.00, 10.25, > 10.55, 10.90, 11.20, 11.53, 11.70, 11.40, 10.98, 10.10, 9.10, 8.00, > 6.90, 5.75, 4.45, 3.20, 2.10, 1.01, 0.00, -1.00, -1.98, -2.90, > -3.70, -4.25, -5.00, -5.60, -6.10, -6.60, -7.02, -7.35, -7.80, -8.00, > -8.15, -8.30, -8.40, -8.46, -8.50, -8.50, -8.47, -8.45, -8.27, -8.10, > -7.99, -7.80, -7.55, -7.25, -7.00, -6.67, -6.35, -6.05, -5.65, -5.30, > -4.98, -4.50, -4.05, -3.60, -3.05, -2.60, -2.00, -1.45, -0.80 ] > > N = len(X) > > def analyse(f): > sx = 0 > sy = 0 > w = f * 2 * pi / N > for i in range(N): > sx += X [i] * sin (i * w) > sy += X [i] * cos (i * w) > m = hypot (sx, sy) > a = atan2(sy, sx) * 180 / pi > return m, a > > > for i in range (1, 11): > m, a = analyse (i) > if i == 1: m1 = m > print ("%3d %10.3f %8.1f" % (i, m / m1, a)) > Wauw, that's a golden nugget of Python! Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Mon Oct 7 09:59:58 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 11:59:58 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> Message-ID: <5252861E.3000307@stackingdwarves.net> On 10/05/2013 06:56 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > Additionally it includes a Stereo Phase Correlation Meter (needle > Display), an EBU-R128 Meter (also based on Fons' implementation) with > Histogram and History display, a Digital True-Peak Meter (4x > Oversampling, using zita-resampler), a Stereo Phase Scope (Goniometer) > and a 31 Band Spectrum-Analyzer. (insert usual friendly ridicule of animated VU meters here) but hey, it does look nice! i've always had this fondness for jellyfish meters. and the radar-style r128 meter is a very welcome addition to the toolbox, having this history information at a glance is very helpful indeed. thanks for sharing this! built without problems and seems to run very smoothly. i believe radar meters have a bright future in different applications. for instance, to provide limiter history. fons' zita-dpl1 has short-term history already, which is extremely helpful. but to imagine something that listens to transport information and provides history of a whole song, plus "locate to peaks" from the history so that i can manually tame parts where the limiter cut in too sharply, that would be awesome. i'm currently trying to make sense of the libcairo version number in opensuse tumbleweed, but i guess our lady of the segmentation fault will let me know if there is a problem... thanks a lot, j?rn -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From ken at restivo.org Mon Oct 7 10:02:59 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 03:02:59 -0700 Subject: [LAU] More old crap Message-ID: <20131007100259.GA5054@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Scraping the bottom of the barrel here, but this was too weird not to post. This is also from summer of 2007, features PHASEX, was recorded and mixed on linux with Seq24 and Ardour. http://storage.restivo.org/music/krmusic/semipublished/alien-techno-0.1.ogg It's the Sesame Street Yip-Yip Aliens, remixed. (Source material for the samples, for those outside the USA who might not be familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_trSIBCgF0 The aliens in that segment were revealed to have been ravers who liked four-on-the-floor techno. A lot.) -ken From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Oct 7 10:15:17 2013 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 21:15:17 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LAU] More old crap In-Reply-To: <20131007100259.GA5054@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131007100259.GA5054@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <52287.86.127.135.155.1381140917.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Mon, October 7, 2013 9:02 pm, Ken Restivo wrote: > Scraping the bottom of the barrel here, but this was too weird not to > post. This is also from summer of 2007, features PHASEX, was recorded and > mixed on linux with Seq24 and Ardour. > > http://storage.restivo.org/music/krmusic/semipublished/alien-techno-0.1.ogg > > It's the Sesame Street Yip-Yip Aliens, remixed. > > (Source material for the samples, for those outside the USA who might not > be familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_trSIBCgF0 The aliens in > that segment were revealed to have been ravers who liked four-on-the-floor > techno. A lot.) > C is for Cooky -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd From jamesmstone at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 11:11:05 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 12:11:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] LAM - Smiths-esque indie. Message-ID: Hi all! Here's a rough song I just put together on mixbus. Drums from hydrogen. Suggestions for improving mix or music appreciated as always! https://soundcloud.com/jmstone/never-the-same/download James From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 13:57:14 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 15:57:14 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Lives: some beginner questions In-Reply-To: <20131001211307.18671kzsjn35uin7@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <524AD8D8.40000@gmail.com> <20131001211307.18671kzsjn35uin7@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <5252BDBA.2050703@gmail.com> Hi, We had a nice gig using Lives for visuals. This got me interested. How would it be possible to synchronize effects with the tempo of the band (acoustic drumkit, electric bassguitar). What are the technical possibilities here? I have an idea how to do it with an electronic drumkit, what no idea what is possible with acoustic drumkit or perhaps electric bassguitar. Dirk From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 15:52:13 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:52:13 +0200 Subject: [LAU] software communication with acoustic instruments (was: Lives: some beginner questions) In-Reply-To: <5252BDBA.2050703@gmail.com> References: <524AD8D8.40000@gmail.com> <20131001211307.18671kzsjn35uin7@server34.abstractdns.com> <5252BDBA.2050703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5252D8AD.6090909@gmail.com> Hi, We had a nice gig using Lives for visuals. This got me interested. How would it be possible to synchronize effects with the tempo of the band (acoustic drumkit, electric bassguitar). What are the technical possibilities here? I have an idea how to do it with an electronic drumkit, what no idea what is possible with acoustic drumkit or perhaps electric bassguitar. Dirk From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Oct 7 16:50:18 2013 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:50:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.11 - The Lima Oscar release! Message-ID: <5252E64A.1010402@rncbc.org> As falling leaves drift by the window, and without any further ado: Qtractor 0.5.11 (lima oscar) is now released! Soon we'll hear a new winter's song. This code-naming series, which started on a sunny summer day two years ago as TYOQA, is now converging to an end. It will be no surprise for some that today's release precedes the very last one on that series. So let's get those autumn leaves falling and grab them while they're crispy red and gold ;) Release highlights: * Extended automation curve editing (NEW) * Extended clip selection (NEW) * LV2 UI resize feature support (NEW) * Aux-sends to audio buses (FIX) * MIDI editor overlapped event velocity/value (FIX) * Accidental export muting and/or freezing (FIX) Website: http://qtractor.sourceforge.net Project page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor Downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor/files - source tarball: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.11.tar.gz - source package (openSUSE 12.3): http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.11-8.rncbc.suse123.src.rpm - binary packages (openSUSE 12.3): http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.11-8.rncbc.suse123.i586.rpm http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.11-8.rncbc.suse123.x86_64.rpm - quick start guide & user manual (outdated): http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.5.x-user-manual.pdf Weblog (upstream support): http://www.rncbc.org License: Qtractor is free, open-source software, distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later. Change-log: - Adding a track now inserts it after the current one, if any; one can also drag and move a track below the last one in the track list (main view left pane). - Extended Edit/Select Mode/Automation: multi-selection mode, cut, copy, paste and delete of current track's automation curve nodes, now reached implementation ready status. - Another old silent bug bites the dust: changing track names were dropping any track gain/volume and panning automation curves when saving the session. - A primeval processing bug has been sorted out: aux-sends to audio output buses that just appear to be after the input bus where they're inserted were being left muted and silent (on a ticket follow-up by Holger Marzen, thanks). - Fixed a sure crash bug exposed when processing of aux-send plugins when inserted too early on audio input buses chain (after a ticket report by Holger Marzen, thanks). - Allow the build system to include an user specified CFLAGS (patch by Cristian Morales Vega, thanks). - Shift/Ctrl keyboard modifiers now set to extend current clip selection while in main track view's Edit/Select Mode/Range, Rectangle modes. - Main Edit/Select Mode/Automation icon retouched to look a bit more obvious and intuitive, hopefully ;) - Allow to change the velocities/values of the current selected events which have the exact same onset times and hide beyhond each other on the MIDI clip editor's pane below the main view piano-roll (ie. the one that represents MIDI event values as a bar chart). - Fixed some problematic playback/export muting and annoying cleanup freezing, due on audio tracks with too many clips eg. more than hundred clip splits (hopefully fixes an issue reported by Louigi Verona, thanks). - LV2 UI resize feature support/control added. - Fixed dedicated MIDI control and MIDI metronome port connection restore conflict (thanks to jhammen catch & patch:). - New user preference option added: reverse middle-button role to Shift/Ctrl keyboard state, in special regard to edit-head/tail vs. play-head positioning while on the main track and MIDI clip editor (aka. piano-roll) views. See also: http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/710 Enjoy && have (a plenty of) fun. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 17:20:03 2013 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 21:20:03 +0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qtractor 0.5.11 - The Lima Oscar release! In-Reply-To: <5252E64A.1010402@rncbc.org> References: <5252E64A.1010402@rncbc.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the fix, Rui! Will test the new version out! L.V. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Fons. > but hey, it does look nice! i've always had this fondness for jellyfish > meters. The goniometer(TM) aka Stereo Phase Scope is not a jellyfish display. JF would be a surround 5.1 variation. I was actually positively surprised how much information is displayed by a goniometer. It takes a while to learn to read it, but it's amazing. We (Chris, Axel and I) went through various stages including video-taping the LV2 plugin display in order to improve readability and usefulness. The default preset is very close to that of a DK-Tech MSD600 > and the radar-style r128 meter is a very welcome addition to the > toolbox, having this history information at a glance is very helpful > indeed. thanks for sharing this! > > built without problems and seems to run very smoothly. great. thanks for the feedback. > i believe radar meters have a bright future in different applications. > for instance, to provide limiter history. fons' zita-dpl1 has short-term > history already, which is extremely helpful. but to imagine something > that listens to transport information and provides history of a whole > song, plus "locate to peaks" from the history so that i can manually > tame parts where the limiter cut in too sharply, that would be awesome. 'locate to peaks' is a very nice idea. However I'm not aware of any plugin standard that allows to control the host's transport. A LV2 extension could do that, though. zita-dlp1 could do this via jack-transport. > i'm currently trying to make sense of the libcairo version number in > opensuse tumbleweed, but i guess our lady of the segmentation fault will > let me know if there is a problem... Depends. Thread-safety and concurrency issues may rather produce strange effects than segfault right away. It's mainly the EBUR128 meter (rapid font rendering), Try adding two or more instances of the openGL variant. It also depends on your graphics card. The plugins render directly to graphic card memory. It works fine here with an old intel-945 and some nvidia cards that I have tested: zero CPU. But Axel has various problems with his Radeon on debian/stable. Also x11/xcb can make a huge performance difference. -- Anyway, the concurrency issues cairo/pixman/pango + x11/opengl have been fixed upstream and will soon find their way int various distros if they have not yet done so. Cheers! robin From el.doctor at laposte.net Mon Oct 7 19:10:31 2013 From: el.doctor at laposte.net (MK aka El Doctor) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:10:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] io GNU/Linux... new iso uploded :) In-Reply-To: <20131006120724.GF24494@tal> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> <20131006120724.GF24494@tal> Message-ID: <2564056.npEAKJIoxj@io> Le lundi 7 octobre 2013 01:07:24 Chris Bannister a ?crit : > On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:00:30PM +0200, MK aka El Doctor wrote: > > Hi :) > > > > I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb > > focused on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. > > So there is presently no existing .iso image available for download? wget -c http://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/files/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.04-15.27.iso ;) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From el.doctor at laposte.net Mon Oct 7 19:11:48 2013 From: el.doctor at laposte.net (MK aka El Doctor) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:11:48 +0200 Subject: [LAU] io GNU/Linux... new iso uploded :) In-Reply-To: <3915808.eqF5dlyGUP@col-desktop> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> <3915808.eqF5dlyGUP@col-desktop> Message-ID: <2305363.DllyrjqEv6@io> Le dimanche 6 octobre 2013 14:00:44 Tim E. Real a ?crit : > On October 5, 2013 10:00:30 PM MK aka El Doctor wrote: > > Hi :) > > > > I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb > > focused on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. > > > > Kernel 3.11, Jack2 as default sound server, e17+ecomorph as desktop > > environment and more nice stuff ;) > > -> > > http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io.gnu.linux-v2/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10. > > 0 > > 4-15.27.packages.html > > > > To create a bootable USB stick please refer to: > > -> > > http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#186 > > > > For more infos, screenshots gallery, video etc... Please visit: > > -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html > > -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ > > > > Enjoy :) > > > > MK > > The MusE sequencer does not appear to be on the list. > > Possible to include it? > > Thanks. > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Yep, added to the list ;) Thx MK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From lievenmoors at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 19:38:59 2013 From: lievenmoors at gmail.com (Lieven Moors) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 21:38:59 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006205921.GA2651@linuxaudio.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006205921.GA2651@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <20131007193859.GA810@satellite> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 08:59:21PM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:29:23PM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Apart from that the sound will be frequency and amplitude > > > modulated by minute movements of the player's hands. > > > > True, that has a lot to do with the sound. I was thinking > > a ribbon controller or a simple X-Y trackpad (or an OSC > > thing on an Android tablet) would take care of that. > > It would have to have sufficient bandwidth and resolution, > both very high on the original. > > Ciao, > I once emulated the frequency modulation with an arduino and a cheap IR sensor. I don't remember the resolution of the arduino/IR sensor, but I got pretty good results. I translated the distance values into frequency values, and I remember I had to stabelize the input, by taking avarages over the values. If you used two sensors like this, I think you could make a nice theremin controller... Greetings, lieven From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 7 19:59:58 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 15:59:58 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <5252FEA3.70104@gareus.org> References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> <5252861E.3000307@stackingdwarves.net> <5252FEA3.70104@gareus.org> Message-ID: <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday 07 October 2013 15:53:52 Robin Gareus did opine: > On 10/07/2013 11:59 AM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > On 10/05/2013 06:56 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > >> Additionally it includes a Stereo Phase Correlation Meter (needle > >> Display), an EBU-R128 Meter (also based on Fons' implementation) with > >> Histogram and History display, a Digital True-Peak Meter (4x > >> Oversampling, using zita-resampler), a Stereo Phase Scope > >> (Goniometer) and a 31 Band Spectrum-Analyzer. > > > > (insert usual friendly ridicule of animated VU meters here) > > lol. yeah, VU meters just exist to look nice :) > Even most of the hardware ones are utterly useless (see "[LAD] vu-meter > DSP" this July). At least this one does conform to spec. Thanks Fons. > > > but hey, it does look nice! i've always had this fondness for > > jellyfish meters. > > The goniometer(TM) aka Stereo Phase Scope is not a jellyfish display. JF > would be a surround 5.1 variation. Your attempt at applying a trade mark to that word is about 45 or 50 years late, that was the term used to describe a rotary transformer used to rotate the display in color tv (NTSC days) vectorscopes first built by Tektronx. > I was actually positively surprised how much information is displayed by > a goniometer. It takes a while to learn to read it, but it's amazing. Yes it is. The learning part however, does separate the wannabees from the doers though. > We (Chris, Axel and I) went through various stages including > video-taping the LV2 plugin display in order to improve readability and > usefulness. The default preset is very close to that of a DK-Tech MSD600 > > > and the radar-style r128 meter is a very welcome addition to the > > toolbox, having this history information at a glance is very helpful > > indeed. thanks for sharing this! > > > > built without problems and seems to run very smoothly. > > great. thanks for the feedback. > > > i believe radar meters have a bright future in different applications. > > for instance, to provide limiter history. fons' zita-dpl1 has > > short-term history already, which is extremely helpful. but to > > imagine something that listens to transport information and provides > > history of a whole song, plus "locate to peaks" from the history so > > that i can manually tame parts where the limiter cut in too sharply, > > that would be awesome. > > 'locate to peaks' is a very nice idea. However I'm not aware of any > plugin standard that allows to control the host's transport. A LV2 > extension could do that, though. zita-dlp1 could do this via > jack-transport. > > > i'm currently trying to make sense of the libcairo version number in > > opensuse tumbleweed, but i guess our lady of the segmentation fault > > will let me know if there is a problem... > > Depends. Thread-safety and concurrency issues may rather produce strange > effects than segfault right away. It's mainly the EBUR128 meter (rapid > font rendering), Try adding two or more instances of the openGL variant. > > It also depends on your graphics card. The plugins render directly to > graphic card memory. It works fine here with an old intel-945 and some > nvidia cards that I have tested: zero CPU. But Axel has various problems > with his Radeon on debian/stable. Also x11/xcb can make a huge > performance difference. -- Anyway, the concurrency issues > cairo/pixman/pango + x11/opengl have been fixed upstream and will soon > find their way int various distros if they have not yet done so. > > Cheers! > robin > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A prohibitionist is the sort of man one wouldn't care to drink with -- even if he drank. -- H. L. Mencken A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Mon Oct 7 20:08:23 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:08:23 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> <5252861E.3000307@stackingdwarves.net> <5252FEA3.70104@gareus.org> <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> On 10/07/2013 09:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> The goniometer(TM) aka Stereo Phase Scope is not a jellyfish display. JF >> would be a surround 5.1 variation. > > Your attempt at applying a trade mark to that word is about 45 or 50 years > late, that was the term used to describe a rotary transformer used to > rotate the display in color tv (NTSC days) vectorscopes first built by > Tektronx. > >> I was actually positively surprised how much information is displayed by >> a goniometer. It takes a while to learn to read it, but it's amazing. > > Yes it is. The learning part however, does separate the wannabees from the > doers though. well, reading a stereo scope is not too hard really. even if you only pick out some obvious aspects, it's still useful. making sense of a video color vectorscope however (never seen an ntsc one, but i believe the pal ones have similar output) seems to imply a pact with dark forces :-D i'm quite happy that the days of analog video are almost over and i don't have to learn that anymore. now with SDI you get to think about eye diagrams, which is not much better :( -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From angelv at iac.es Mon Oct 7 20:34:22 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:34:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <51BEB5A2.9020409@hawaii.rr.com> (david's message of "Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:07:14 -1000") References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> <51BEB5A2.9020409@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi, I started this thread long ago, and until now I have just used a variety of tools to manually do this. But recently I have discovered this gem: http://repmus.ircam.fr/antescofo In theory it listens to the audio as you play and it automatically plays the MIDI (or other) stuff following your tempo. Just what I wanted. Before I go the route of installing, converting my MIDI files to the Antescofo syntax, etc. is there anyone here who has tried it and who can let me know (on or off the list) about his/her experience with it? Thanks a lot, -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From p8rpp at aol.com Mon Oct 7 21:04:21 2013 From: p8rpp at aol.com (Peter P.) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 23:04:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> <5252861E.3000307@stackingdwarves.net> <5252FEA3.70104@gareus.org> <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <20131007210421.GF17332@aol.de> * J?rn Nettingsmeier [2013-10-07 22:08]: > On 10/07/2013 09:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > >>The goniometer(TM) aka Stereo Phase Scope is not a jellyfish display. JF > >>would be a surround 5.1 variation. > > > >Your attempt at applying a trade mark to that word is about 45 or 50 years > >late, that was the term used to describe a rotary transformer used to > >rotate the display in color tv (NTSC days) vectorscopes first built by > >Tektronx. > > > >>I was actually positively surprised how much information is displayed by > >>a goniometer. It takes a while to learn to read it, but it's amazing. > > > >Yes it is. The learning part however, does separate the wannabees from the > >doers though. > > well, reading a stereo scope is not too hard really. even if you > only pick out some obvious aspects, it's still useful. > > making sense of a video color vectorscope however (never seen an > ntsc one, but i believe the pal ones have similar output) seems to well, isn't NTSC the abbreviation for "never the same color"? (sorry, stupid joke) P. From studiochanning at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 21:10:57 2013 From: studiochanning at yahoo.com (Studio Channing) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 15:10:57 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> <51BEB5A2.9020409@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <52532361.5090000@yahoo.com> that is a good find and maybe answers a thread from earlier today "software communication with acoustic instruments" there were some discussions about this recently in our project studio: making a linux application, configured with an idealized MIDI drum score, that listens via MIDI to electronic drums (or acoustic kit with triggers) and tries to calculate the "real-time" tempo based on the incoming drum notes - and then updating jack transport with fine-grained tempo changes - in theory then any jack transport-aware looper or sequencer could play along with the band but we never got beyond the "talk over beers" stage and were unsure if it would work: how would sequencers react to continuous tempo changes? on a deeper level: how hard is the calculation of tempo when you have an "ideal" score vs noisy MIDI data coming from the drums? I see now that IRCAM have spent decades researching the "score following" problem: http://repmus.ircam.fr/antescofo/videos#score-following-history-in-video (also I notice their sample human player is not a drunk rock and roll drummer... and thus that part might be a bit "idealized" as well..) so we would also be curious about experience with this or other similar software. it also would be interesting if there's any open-source code that could be "borrowed" for a jack-centric system as described above.. On 10/07/2013 02:34 PM, Angel de Vicente wrote: > Hi, > > I started this thread long ago, and until now I have just used a variety > of tools to manually do this. > > But recently I have discovered this gem: > http://repmus.ircam.fr/antescofo > > In theory it listens to the audio as you play and it automatically plays > the MIDI (or other) stuff following your tempo. Just what I wanted. > > Before I go the route of installing, converting my MIDI files to the > Antescofo syntax, etc. is there anyone here who has tried it and who can > let me know (on or off the list) about his/her experience with it? > > Thanks a lot, > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin at gareus.org Mon Oct 7 22:13:29 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 00:13:29 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> <5252861E.3000307@stackingdwarves.net> <5252FEA3.70104@gareus.org> <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <52533209.8080308@gareus.org> On 10/07/2013 10:08 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> >>> I was actually positively surprised how much information is displayed by >>> a goniometer. It takes a while to learn to read it, but it's amazing. >> >> Yes it is. The learning part however, does separate the wannabees >> from the doers though. > > well, reading a stereo scope is not too hard really. even if you only > pick out some obvious aspects, it's still useful. It's mainly about learning to recognize certain patters. and/or what effects cause or counterbalance them. What I found interesting that it visualizes pretty much every aspect of the sound: Stereo-phase (obviously), frequency distribution (smooth vs jittery lines), amplitude per channel,.. when used with a persistent display also the history of that. While implementing it, I realized how important various aspects of the display are. It's not just connecting a scope and drawing Lissajous figures. Compression (auto-gain) as well as screen-persistence and line or dot thickness are important details that not only make it usable in an audio-context but also very relevant for people who are used to 'read' real hardware goniometers. Many thanks go to Chris and Alex for nitpicking about all this. We're still not quite done there, either. 2c, robin From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 7 23:07:26 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 19:07:26 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <201310071907.26624.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday 07 October 2013 18:46:19 J?rn Nettingsmeier did opine: > On 10/07/2013 09:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> The goniometer(TM) aka Stereo Phase Scope is not a jellyfish display. > >> JF would be a surround 5.1 variation. > > > > Your attempt at applying a trade mark to that word is about 45 or 50 > > years late, that was the term used to describe a rotary transformer > > used to rotate the display in color tv (NTSC days) vectorscopes first > > built by Tektronx. > > > >> I was actually positively surprised how much information is displayed > >> by a goniometer. It takes a while to learn to read it, but it's > >> amazing. > > > > Yes it is. The learning part however, does separate the wannabees > > from the doers though. > > well, reading a stereo scope is not too hard really. even if you only > pick out some obvious aspects, it's still useful. > > making sense of a video color vectorscope however (never seen an ntsc > one, but i believe the pal ones have similar output) Yes. Pal versions I think show two burst vectors IIRC, one for each field. At least thats what I remember after seeing one at the NAB in '79 or so. Rather rare birds here in Never Twice Same Color land. > seems to imply a > pact with dark forces :-D I don't know as I'd go that far, but it does require a basic understanding of the theory. One of the things I learned early on was that despite the density of skin tone, the color itself never changed. Lots of folks will never believe that, but its true, the vector angle of a skin tone remains within 2 or 3 degrees from the whitest Caucasian to the blackest African. The really black black may not show as much amplitude, but if the camera isn't lying, not by enough to be able to look at the scope and say that person is black. We have had, for many years at my station, a pair of cousins who are color blind, and did all their production work by checking it on the vectorscope. It was right spot on moreso than the help that claimed good color vision. > i'm quite happy that the days of analog video > are almost over and i don't have to learn that anymore. > > now with SDI you get to think about eye diagrams, which is not much > better :( That and the constellation. Without good performance there, you can't get even a 100kw signal out of your shirt pocket. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. -- Bill Vaughn A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 23:18:20 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:18:20 -0700 Subject: [LAU] io GNU/Linux... new iso uploded :) In-Reply-To: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> Message-ID: Gotta say this is a slick lookin set up! My googling has not revealed much on io. Is there an instruction set on installing it to a hard drive? I use KXStudio, AV Linux and may well add this setup to one of my systems if the backbone performance is there. Fanx! ~ Russell On Oct 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, MK aka El Doctor wrote: > Hi :) > > I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb focused > on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. > > Kernel 3.11, Jack2 as default sound server, e17+ecomorph as desktop > environment and more nice stuff ;) > -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io.gnu.linux-v2/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.04-15.27.packages.html > > To create a bootable USB stick please refer to: > -> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#186 > > For more infos, screenshots gallery, video etc... Please visit: > -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html > -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ > > Enjoy :) > > MK > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From pcoccoli at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 01:16:36 2013 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 21:16:36 -0400 Subject: [LAU] noise with pulseaudio on Delta 66 In-Reply-To: References: <68a2ddcb2188d82147b39fd1d1617367.squirrel@ssl.ovenwerks.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Paul Coccoli wrote: > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Len Ovens wrote: >> On Mon, April 8, 2013 5:32 am, Paul Coccoli wrote: >> > I've had a Delta 66 PCI audio card for over a decade, and it's always >> > sounded great. I recently had to transfer it to a new PC with a fresh >> > install of Fedora 17. Now, when I play anything using any pulseaudio >> > client, I get a strange digital noise (sort of like static, but almost >> > like >> > aliasing too). >> > >> > This does NOT happen when running jack, as far as I can tell. >> > >> > Aside from disabling or uninstalling pulseaudio, is there anything else I >> > can do? Does anyone else have this problem? >> >> I also have a d66, but have not had that problem. Running Ubuntu, but that >> shouldn't make a difference. >> >> Are you using spdif for an input? What sample rate do you normally use >> with jack? (pulse defaults to 44100) Does pulse have access to the >> internal card? Are you bridging pulse-jack? or just having problems pulse >> direct the d66? >> > > I'm not using any input right now; playback only. I normally run jack > at 48000. The internal audio interface is disabled via the BIOS. > pulse and jack share the delta card via whatever mechanism Fedora uses > (I don't know how this works, but jack takes over and all pulse > clients go quiet). > > The problem is pulse clients (e.g. banshee, firefox) playing back on > the delta 66. > >> Latency should not be a problem with pulse on it's own. The only problem I >> have had with pulse has been with it having interaction between the >> internal audio IF and the d66 when bridging... and with a netbook mic >> which was 48000 only. I have had less problems setting pulse to default at >> 48k. > > After figuring out how to change pulseaudio's sample rate (added > "default-sample-rate = 48000" to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf) the problem > *may* have gone away. It's not happening right now, anyway. > > Thanks for the suggestion, Len. I'm resurrecting my old thread here. This problem never went away. The sound on my PC through pulseaudio is awful (at either 44.1 or 48kHz) and sounds as great as it ever has through this 10+ year old sound card (Delta 66) when running the same player through jack. Can anyone think of anything that would cause pulseaudio (or pulse clients) to add some kind of aliasing noise into the output? It's extremely irritating, and I don't really want to run jack 24x7. I suppose it's time to disable pulseaudio? From erik at zasran.com Tue Oct 8 05:15:52 2013 From: erik at zasran.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:15:52 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Jack does not see USB sound card Boss Micro BR-80 In-Reply-To: <523B86C8.2010505@zasran.com> References: <523AB721.3080501@zasran.com> <523AC7F3.1090401@ladisch.de> <523B86C8.2010505@zasran.com> Message-ID: <52539508.3040205@zasran.com> On 09/19/2013 04:20 PM, Erik Steffl wrote: > On 09/19/2013 02:46 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote: >> Erik Steffl wrote: >>> aplay -l >>> card 2: BR80AUDIO [BR-80(AUDIO)], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] >> >>> Boss Micro BR-80 seems to be recognized properly but qjackctl does not >>> list it in Set under any of Interface, Input Device, Output Device >>> choices, I only see /dev/dsp, /dev/audio, plughw:0 and hw:0. >> >> "hw:2" should appear in those lists. Did you start QjackCtl before >> plugging the device in? Can you start Jack manually with >> "jackd -d alsa -d hw:2"? > > started qjackctl after the device was plugged in, > > starting jack manually seems to be working (also tested wiuth > ardour2, both recording and playback works). > > Does that mean there is a bug in qjackctl? Using the version in > Ubuntu 13.04 which is qjackctl 0.3.9-2 > > Here's what jackd prints out when started manually: > > erik at jojda:~$ jackd -d alsa -d hw:2 > jackdmp 1.9.10 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > Copyright 2004-2013 Grame. > jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > no message buffer overruns > no message buffer overruns > no message buffer overruns > JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10 > audio_reservation_init > Acquire audio card Audio2 > creating alsa driver ... hw:2|hw:2|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 2 periods > ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit integer little-endian > ALSA: use 2 periods for capture > ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit integer > little-endian > ALSA: use 2 periods for playback https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/1228727 created the bug above, turns out there is a way to make qjackctl work but it involves clicking on the mysterious '>' buttons next to the dropdowns (the dropdown menus in question are: Interface, Input Device, Output Device in the Setup dialog) The tooltips for '>' buttons do not explain much (they seems to be pretty much the same as tooltips for dropdowns. Details in the bug, here's the summary of what the tooltips say and what the menus (dropdown and '>' buttons) offer: Interface dropdown tooltip: 'The PCM device name to use' Interface '>' tooltip: 'Select PCM device name' Input device dropdown tooltip: 'Alternate input device for capture' Input device '>' tooltip: 'Select input device for capture' Output device dropdown tooltip: 'Alternate output device for playback' Output device '>' tooltip: 'Select output device for playback' The values for all dropdown menus are: - (default) - /dev/dsp - /dev/audio - plughw:0 - hw:0 The values for all '>' menus: - hw:0 HD-Audio Generic - hw:1 HDA ATI SB - hw:1,0 ALC892 Analog - hw:2 BR-80(AUDIO) - hw:2,0 USB Audio - (default) Anybody knows what's going on here? Pointers to explanations? Why are there TWO list of devices to choose from? thanks! ero From erik at zasran.com Tue Oct 8 05:25:18 2013 From: erik at zasran.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:25:18 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Jack recording with constant clicking Message-ID: <5253973E.40905@zasran.com> So I finally made recording working using jackd and ardour2 but there is constant clicking, at rate maybe 1 or 2 clicks per second. Any ideas how to troubleshoot this? Not sure if it's device problem, not enough CPU or something else... Here's my setup: CPU: AMD E-250 1600MHz RAM: 16GB Ubuntu 13.04 Linux jojda 3.8.0-31-lowlatency #23-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 19 17:08:15 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux USB audio device: BOSS BR-80 Any comments/ideas? (please let me know if there's other relevant info I can post) thanks! erik From angelv at iac.es Tue Oct 8 08:41:25 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 01:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] Synchronization of audio with MIDI file In-Reply-To: <52532361.5090000@yahoo.com> References: <20130614160518.75aa4400@eeepc> <51BC04BC.2060203@hawaii.rr.com> <20130615105032.67d837d9@eeepc> <51BCDF73.9070000@hawaii.rr.com> <20130616110202.114e3c8b@eeepc> <51BEB5A2.9020409@hawaii.rr.com> <52532361.5090000@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1381221685569-87420.post@n7.nabble.com> Hi, as far as I understand Antefosco is Jack-centric (under the hood it uses PureData) and the code is available (I have somewhere the link for the Linux package, for Ubuntu 13.04. Perfect for me, as that is the exact version I have in my audio-centric laptop). I'm planning on testing it during the coming weeks, so I will post back, but I would also love to hear from anyone else that has prior experience with it. Cheers, ?ngel de Vicente -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/Synchronization-of-audio-with-MIDI-file-tp85592p87420.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Oct 8 09:10:23 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:10:23 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Jack recording with constant clicking In-Reply-To: <5253973E.40905@zasran.com> References: <5253973E.40905@zasran.com> Message-ID: <5253CBFF.3000908@ladisch.de> Erik Steffl wrote: > So I finally made recording working using jackd and ardour2 but there > is constant clicking, at rate maybe 1 or 2 clicks per second. > > Linux jojda 3.8.0-31-lowlatency The BR-80 uses implicit feedback for synchronizing its capture and playback streams, which is not yet supported by your kernel. Support for this was added in 3.11, but is still buggy. These bugs are being fixed right now: Regards, Clemens From wrl at illest.net Tue Oct 8 14:40:27 2013 From: wrl at illest.net (William Light) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:40:27 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> Message-ID: <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> on Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 09:39:30PM +0200, olivier wrote: > It has also been confirmed to just work with a 3.7 kernel by one of our > member here at linuxmao: > http://www.linuxmao.org/Native+Instruments+Komplete+Audio+6 > > cheers > > olivier > working beautifully on 3.11.2 for me. fantastic audio interface, can't recommend it enough. -w > > On 2 October 2013 21:19, Will J Godfrey wrote: > > > On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 21:06:58 +0200 > > Victor A. Stoichi???? wrote: > > > > > Will Godfrey wrote: > > > >I've been offered the loan of one of these. Does anyone know if it > > > >plays nicely > > > >with Linux? > > > > > > > >Is it plug-and-play, sacrifice a goat, or somewhere in between? > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Will J Godfrey > > > >http://www.musically.me.uk > > > >Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > > > >Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Linux-audio-user mailing list > > > >Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > > >http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > > I use a KA6. Works like a charm. Fully plug and play with alsa, all > > in/outs show in Jack, most controls are hardware and the one which isn't > > (digital clock source) is accessible in alsamixer. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Victor > > > > Thanks for your replies people. This looks very promising. > > > > A friend has one that he seldom uses, and knowing that I was thinking of > > buying > > one, very kindly offered to lend me his to try it out. I didn't want to > > put him > > to the trouble and cost of sending it to me if it was going to be a > > nightmare! > > > > P.S. > > I'm using kernel version 3.1 and haven't seen *any* of the stability > > problems > > described in one of those links. > > > > -- > > It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) > > > > ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, > > but trying to catch the good bits. > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From danni.coy at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 14:48:31 2013 From: danni.coy at gmail.com (Danni Coy) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 00:48:31 +1000 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> Message-ID: I concur with everybody else for me at least this sound card "just works (tm)" From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 14:50:22 2013 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:50:22 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Theramin oscillator for LADSPA? In-Reply-To: <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131006085915.GB8900@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> <20131006105515.GA18216@linuxaudio.org> <20131006202923.GA20310@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <52541BAE.5060907@gmail.com> On 06/10/2013 22:29, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:55:15AM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:59:15AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: >> >>> http://www.horst-theremin.com/images/_mid%20600%20Hz.jpg >> >> You don't need to reproduce the waveform, but the spectrum, >> which is roughly: >> >> Freq Amp >> --------------- >> 1 1.000 >> 2 0.191 >> 3 0.065 >> 4 0.041 >> 5 0.019 >> 6 0.012 > > Cool, thanks. > > How would one do that with LADSPA plugins? 6 sine wave oscillators into a mixer, one for each harmonic? You might look into using Pure Data: you can both have: - (virtually) any number of oscillators with the advantage that each partial's strength (and frequency) can be independently and dynamically modified - the [tabosc4~] object which is a wavetable oscillator. The [sinesum( message sent to a table (a.k.a. array) with partial strengths will do the sum for additive synthesis. In this case of course it woun't be possible to dynamically change the partials' strength (although I think people have used tricks to switch between different tables seamlessly). Not to mention the many built-in features to connect to the external world for control such as MIDI, OSC, TCP/IP, arduino, to mention a few.. Hope this helps. Lorenzo From djbarney at djbarney.org Tue Oct 8 16:09:30 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:09:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Calf LV2 plugins now supports digit entry fields Message-ID: <20131008160930.476659w01r7l2vqy@server34.abstractdns.com> Just a note to say that as a result of a bug I put in Calf plug-ins now support digit entry fields. This was due to some controls being difficult to set accurately via the mouse. I have not rebuilt and tested this yet. https://sourceforge.net/p/calf/bugs/36/ From temps.jo at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 20:15:34 2013 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (temps) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 13:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] synthesizer format audio abadie.jo Message-ID: <1381263334540-87426.post@n7.nabble.com> Still I do not speak English. I use google translate My format does not use any compression. My format is much lighter than all that exists My format has a sound quality never equaled look here this synthesizer that I created http://www.letime.net/vocale sound bank http://www.letime.net/vocale/banque downloading http://www.letime.net/vocale/3a.tar.gz Thanks -- View this message in context: http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/synthesizer-format-audio-abadie-jo-tp87426.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk Tue Oct 8 20:52:59 2013 From: WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will J Godfrey) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:52:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> Message-ID: <20131008215259.4090463f@debian> On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 00:48:31 +1000 Danni Coy wrote: > I concur with everybody else for me at least this sound card "just works (tm)" The one on loan to me arrived yesterday, and I must say I'm *extremely* impressed with it. As you have all said, no trouble at all to set up, just plug in and set the connections in qjackctl. Sound seems very clean and noise-free. I'm also very taken with the build. Nice and solid. -- It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was) ... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you, but trying to catch the good bits. From erik at zasran.com Tue Oct 8 22:52:22 2013 From: erik at zasran.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 15:52:22 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Jack recording with constant clicking In-Reply-To: <5253CBFF.3000908@ladisch.de> References: <5253973E.40905@zasran.com> <5253CBFF.3000908@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <52548CA6.9070602@zasran.com> On 10/08/2013 02:10 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Erik Steffl wrote: >> So I finally made recording working using jackd and ardour2 but there >> is constant clicking, at rate maybe 1 or 2 clicks per second. >> >> Linux jojda 3.8.0-31-lowlatency > > The BR-80 uses implicit feedback for synchronizing its capture and > playback streams, which is not yet supported by your kernel. > > Support for this was added in 3.11, but is still buggy. These bugs are > being fixed right now: > thanks for the info! erik From anders.vinjar at bek.no Wed Oct 9 18:15:36 2013 From: anders.vinjar at bek.no (anders.vinjar at bek.no) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 20:15:36 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> <5252861E.3000307@stackingdwarves.net> <5252FEA3.70104@gareus.org> <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> <52533209.8080308@gareus.org> Message-ID: <87y562l393.fsf@josefk.localdomain> >>>>> "R" == Robin Gareus: R> What I found interesting that it visualizes pretty much every R> aspect of the sound: Stereo-phase (obviously), frequency R> distribution (smooth vs jittery lines), amplitude per R> channel,.. These kinds of visualisations are very useful for mono-sources as well (just combing a signal with a delayed version of itself - ie. lagged embedding) simultaneously providing visual info from sample- up to (micro)phrase-level. Looking at the characteristics of the waveform along with the amplitude - even the 'noise-character' of the reverb-tail is displayed. I did a video once back in 1996 (on sgis, rendering frames for one full week...) testing this approach: http://users.notam02.no/~andersvi/works/OIOI/OIOI.avi (39Mb, music made with CLM). Guess its time to test these things in real-time now, adjusting delays, colour-schemes, fade-times etc. on the go for the graphics. -anders From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Oct 9 18:23:51 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 20:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] LAM - Smiths-esque indie. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello James! There seems to be everything to make a nice, sturdy song. But indeed the mix could be improved, if you don't mind me saying so. :-) The most obvious cause for improvement I can hear in EQ'ing. The bass is very much in the mid-range. You could lower the treble frequencies. Experiment. If you have some MIDI-equipment or anything else hooked up, that you oculd activate one band of an EQ, set gain to something like 12Db and sweep it, until you come to the really disturbing parts. My guestimate would be between 300-440Hz and probably in other areas as well. You can also use the EQ to sculpt your bass sound. So you could try raising higher bands to coax out certain characteristics. The guitar too sounds a bit to mid-range. I mean the distorted guitar. You might also give it a try in either panning it to the right, away from the clean electric guitar or use a short delay and lower the original signal, so you push the main portion of its sound to the sides. that way you have more space in the middle for the voice. I don't know, what you did to the voice so far, but it sounds very feable. Typical approaches: good EQ'ing and filtering. Cut off the complete lower end up to perhaps 120-200Hz, experiemtn, listen to it in the whole mix, so you will hear, when it gets noticeable. Stop shortly before that point. Then you might again sweep it with an EQ, to see, which bands could use lowering or even a little boost. Next apply some good compression. You could even try to push it rather hard. that should help to steady the vocals very much and push them. From that point onwards, you might try a short delay, leaving the dry signal at 0Db, so you get some width to the voice. At last a touch of reverb wouldn't go amiss. If you can use LADSPA plugins, I'd suggest trying the CAPS 2x2 Plate (unique ID 1795). Be subtle with that. Don't use it as an effect, use it as a tool of production and arrangement. The drum kit too sounds very low. Especially with that type of music. Lower the other tracks a bit and raise the drums some. You might also wish to do more to them to give them a little more bite and kick. It sounds, like snubbing you, if I go over that mail in my mind, but be assured: it certainly isn't. It's just what I would do to it from the top of my mind. But as it is very often the case: I have an auditory image of a production sound in my mind. Not necessarily a good one and those tips aren't necessarily good ones. But they'd certainly go a step or two in the right direction for clarifying the elements and setting them apart. I hope, that something of all that dribble can be of help and might point in a direction, that you can hear in your mind for this song. Good luck and thanks a lot for sharing! Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From julien at mail.upb.de Wed Oct 9 18:32:03 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 20:32:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] More old crap In-Reply-To: <20131007100259.GA5054@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131007100259.GA5054@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: Hello Ken! this is definitely weird and too good to miss. :-) Though i must say, that the drums are too tame for my liking. With that genre, I like them arse-kicking and bone-jarring. :-) The synth too is rather moderate. Though I still like the bass patch, the one, that plays the small riff. Thanks for that laugh! Kindly yours Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From ken at restivo.org Wed Oct 9 18:51:04 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 11:51:04 -0700 Subject: [LAU] More old crap In-Reply-To: References: <20131007100259.GA5054@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131009185104.GD6800@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Hmm. Remix it then and dub in some floor-stomping drums? -ken -- --------- On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:32:03PM +0200, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Ken! > this is definitely weird and too good to miss. :-) Though i must > say, that the drums are too tame for my liking. With that genre, I > like them arse-kicking and bone-jarring. :-) The synth too is rather > moderate. Though I still like the bass patch, the one, that plays > the small riff. > Thanks for that laugh! > Kindly yours > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Oct 9 20:04:22 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:04:22 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <20131008215259.4090463f@debian> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> <20131008215259.4090463f@debian> Message-ID: <5255B6C6.8060101@hawaii.rr.com> On 10/08/2013 10:52 AM, Will J Godfrey wrote: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 00:48:31 +1000 > Danni Coy wrote: > >> I concur with everybody else for me at least this sound card "just works (tm)" > > The one on loan to me arrived yesterday, and I must say I'm *extremely* > impressed with it. > > As you have all said, no trouble at all to set up, just plug in and set the > connections in qjackctl. Sound seems very clean and noise-free. > > I'm also very taken with the build. Nice and solid. Amazon reviewers suggest it has problems with clicks, pops and noise for some people (possibly connected with Windows drivers or when using phantom power): http://www.amazon.com/Native-Instruments-Komplete-Audio-6/dp/B004YPRPJ6/ref=sr_1_1/190-5544941-3647542?ie=UTF8&qid=1381348352&sr=8-1&keywords=native+instruments+komplete+6 One reviewer said its distortion was 10x higher than FocusRite Scarlet 2i2. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 22:17:13 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 23:17:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] LAM - Smiths-esque indie. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Julien, Thanks for taking the time to listen to this. The version you heard had already had a massive amount of EQ applied to get rid of masses of mid-range stuff, and after that I could hardly hear the difference between anything. Fresh ears are definitely apprecitated! I have had a go at doing what you suggested, but I am not sure you will think it is any better. I brought the vocals forward much more with compression etc. Also increased the volume on the drums - but to my ears they seem a bit overpowering - but maybe that's me. Bass I am still struggling with. I can't really hear the unpleasant mid-rangey ness to it. But also, I feel if I emphasise the low end too much it gets mixed in with the kick. Would apprecitate some more hints here - I have added some EQ to the bass but not sure it really helps. I uploaded the new version over the top of the old one - so you should be able to download it using the same link. James On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello James! > There seems to be everything to make a nice, sturdy song. But indeed the > mix could be improved, if you don't mind me saying so. :-) > The most obvious cause for improvement I can hear in EQ'ing. The bass is > very much in the mid-range. You could lower the treble frequencies. > Experiment. If you have some MIDI-equipment or anything else hooked up, that > you oculd activate one band of an EQ, set gain to something like 12Db and > sweep it, until you come to the really disturbing parts. My guestimate would > be between 300-440Hz and probably in other areas as well. You can also use > the EQ to sculpt your bass sound. So you could try raising higher bands to > coax out certain characteristics. > The guitar too sounds a bit to mid-range. I mean the distorted guitar. You > might also give it a try in either panning it to the right, away from the > clean electric guitar or use a short delay and lower the original signal, so > you push the main portion of its sound to the sides. that way you have more > space in the middle for the voice. I don't know, what you did to the voice > so far, but it sounds very feable. > Typical approaches: good EQ'ing and filtering. Cut off the complete lower > end up to perhaps 120-200Hz, experiemtn, listen to it in the whole mix, so > you will hear, when it gets noticeable. Stop shortly before that point. Then > you might again sweep it with an EQ, to see, which bands could use lowering > or even a little boost. Next apply some good compression. You could even try > to push it rather hard. that should help to steady the vocals very much and > push them. From that point onwards, you might try a short delay, leaving the > dry signal at 0Db, so you get some width to the voice. At last a touch of > reverb wouldn't go amiss. If you can use LADSPA plugins, I'd suggest trying > the CAPS 2x2 Plate (unique ID 1795). Be subtle with that. Don't use it as an > effect, use it as a tool of production and arrangement. > The drum kit too sounds very low. Especially with that type of music. > Lower the other tracks a bit and raise the drums some. You might also wish > to do more to them to give them a little more bite and kick. > It sounds, like snubbing you, if I go over that mail in my mind, but be > assured: it certainly isn't. It's just what I would do to it from the top of > my mind. But as it is very often the case: I have an auditory image of a > production sound in my mind. Not necessarily a good one and those tips > aren't necessarily good ones. But they'd certainly go a step or two in the > right direction for clarifying the elements and setting them apart. > I hope, that something of all that dribble can be of help and might point > in a direction, that you can hear in your mind for this song. > Good luck and thanks a lot for sharing! > Warm regards > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From julien at mail.upb.de Thu Oct 10 06:14:23 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] LAM - Smiths-esque indie. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello James! In my ears that sounds a lot cleaner now. I can distinguish the instruments much better. Even the kick drum and the bass don't overlap too much. There's still something odd about it, but I couldn't tell, where exactly to fix it. You might go a little easier with the reverb on the voice. The song has a very dry feel to it. Think of your typical rock band or punk. I suggested the reverb and delay more as subtle tools. In any case: I think it sounds a lot better now. If my own archive doesn't betray me, this is your first song in this genre? At least the remainder of your material around here is much more electronic. :-) Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html From el.doctor at laposte.net Fri Oct 11 07:01:21 2013 From: el.doctor at laposte.net (MK aka El Doctor) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:01:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] io GNU/Linux V2 RC1 out :) In-Reply-To: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> Message-ID: <1527811.uKiF6oqelJ@io> Le samedi 5 octobre 2013 22:00:30 MK aka El Doctor a ?crit : > Hi :) > > I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb > focused on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. > > Kernel 3.11, Jack2 as default sound server, e17+ecomorph as desktop > environment and more nice stuff ;) > -> > http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io.gnu.linux-v2/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.0 > 4-15.27.packages.html > > To create a bootable USB stick please refer to: > -> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#186 > > For more infos, screenshots gallery, video etc... Please visit: > -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html > -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ > > Enjoy :) > > MK Hi :) A new release is available, many bug fixes and live improvements... new softwares available such as ardour3 etc... :) http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ Enjoy MK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 14:37:59 2013 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:37:59 +0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 Message-ID: Hi, Being paid by Microsoft to destroy Linux makes it possible to do some fun things :) Now that meters.lv2 is officially out, we are giving away a great book on using audio level meters properly: "Audio Metering. 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What about permanent installs? ~ Russell On Oct 11, 2013, at 12:01 AM, MK aka El Doctor wrote: > Le samedi 5 octobre 2013 22:00:30 MK aka El Doctor a ?crit : >> Hi :) >> >> I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb >> focused on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. >> >> Kernel 3.11, Jack2 as default sound server, e17+ecomorph as desktop >> environment and more nice stuff ;) >> -> >> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io.gnu.linux-v2/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.0 >> 4-15.27.packages.html >> >> To create a bootable USB stick please refer to: >> -> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#186 >> >> For more infos, screenshots gallery, video etc... Please visit: >> -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html >> -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ >> >> Enjoy :) >> >> MK > > Hi :) > > A new release is available, many bug fixes and live improvements... new > softwares available such as ardour3 etc... :) > > http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html > https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ > > Enjoy > > MK > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 18:32:28 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:32:28 -0700 Subject: [LAU] Test! 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URL: From ken at restivo.org Sat Oct 12 20:01:47 2013 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 13:01:47 -0700 Subject: [LAU] A brief linux cameo tonight Message-ID: <20131012200147.GC20527@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Tonight I'll be playing the linux netbook on a few songs at my friend's band's show, at the Red Devil Lounge in San Francisco: http://www.reddevillounge.com/event/375173-afton-live-mrmime-rippin-san-francisco/ We've been friends for 30 years, I produced the original demos for his songs over 20 years ago, was in his band briefly 15 years ago when he was recruiting people and before they started gigging, played on his CD a few years ago, but have never actually been onstage with him in all these decades, for whatever reason. So, tonight, that happens. There will be Monosynth, mostly, and that's about it. -ken From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Oct 12 20:17:37 2013 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:17:37 -1000 Subject: [LAU] A brief linux cameo tonight In-Reply-To: <20131012200147.GC20527@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131012200147.GC20527@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <5259AE61.6080208@hawaii.rr.com> On 10/12/2013 10:01 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > Tonight I'll be playing the linux netbook on a few songs at my > friend's band's show, at the Red Devil Lounge in San Francisco: > > http://www.reddevillounge.com/event/375173-afton-live-mrmime-rippin-san-francisco/ > > We've been friends for 30 years, I produced the original demos for > his songs over 20 years ago, was in his band briefly 15 years ago > when he was recruiting people and before they started gigging, played > on his CD a few years ago, but have never actually been onstage with > him in all these decades, for whatever reason. So, tonight, that > happens. > > There will be Monosynth, mostly, and that's about it. > > -ken Well, cool! Sounds like it will be a ton of fun. The world's been missing out on your live performances for awhile now, yes? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sat Oct 12 20:37:19 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:37:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A brief linux cameo tonight In-Reply-To: <20131012200147.GC20527@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> References: <20131012200147.GC20527@q400a.mobile.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20131012213719.08ba1dc5@debian> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 13:01:47 -0700 Ken Restivo wrote: > Tonight I'll be playing the linux netbook on a few songs at my friend's band's show, at the Red Devil Lounge in San Francisco: > > http://www.reddevillounge.com/event/375173-afton-live-mrmime-rippin-san-francisco/ > > We've been friends for 30 years, I produced the original demos for his songs over 20 years ago, was in his band briefly 15 years ago when he was recruiting people and before they started gigging, played on his CD a few years ago, but have never actually been onstage with him in all these decades, for whatever reason. So, tonight, that happens. > > There will be Monosynth, mostly, and that's about it. > > -ken Nice one! Hope it all goes well. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 00:21:26 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:21:26 -0700 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] io GNU/Linux V2 RC1 out :) In-Reply-To: <2459146.xm5Ed3J4vd@io> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> <1527811.uKiF6oqelJ@io> <8B8122FF-BD2A-49EF-A8F4-5DFD7194C4EF@gmail.com> <2459146.xm5Ed3J4vd@io> Message-ID: <691914F0-932A-4FD3-8026-FA387712AB9D@gmail.com> ~ Russell On Oct 12, 2013, at 5:16 AM, MK aka El Doctor wrote: > Le vendredi 11 octobre 2013 11:22:10 vous avez ?crit : >> I really like this!! Been running it on several different machines doing >> different stuff. >> >> What about permanent installs? >> >> ~ Russell >> >> On Oct 11, 2013, at 12:01 AM, MK aka El Doctor > wrote: >>> Le samedi 5 octobre 2013 22:00:30 MK aka El Doctor a ?crit : >>>> Hi :) >>>> >>>> I'm glad to share with you a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a live dvd/usb >>>> focused on multimedia and based on Debian Sid. >>>> >>>> Kernel 3.11, Jack2 as default sound server, e17+ecomorph as desktop >>>> environment and more nice stuff ;) >>>> -> >>>> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io.gnu.linux-v2/io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10 >>>> .0 >>>> 4-15.27.packages.html >>>> >>>> To create a bootable USB stick please refer to: >>>> -> >>>> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#18 >>>> 6 >>>> >>>> For more infos, screenshots gallery, video etc... Please visit: >>>> -> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html >>>> -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ >>>> >>>> Enjoy :) >>>> >>>> MK >>> >>> Hi :) >>> >>> A new release is available, many bug fixes and live improvements... new >>> softwares available such as ardour3 etc... :) >>> >>> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html >>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/ >>> >>> Enjoy >>> >>> MK >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > Hi > > To make persistent usb stick, refer to: > http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#529 > > persistence.conf for exemple: > > /etc/apt union > /etc/cron.daily union > /etc/cups union > /etc/default union > /etc/grub.d union > /etc/init.d union > /etc/modprobe.d union > /etc/rc0.d union > /etc/rc1.d union > /etc/rc2.d union > /etc/rc3.d union > /etc/rc4.d union > /etc/rc5.d union > /etc/rc6.d union > /etc/rcS.d union > /etc/samba union > /etc/wicd union > /etc/xul-ext union > /home > /opt union > /root union > /sbin union > /usr union > /var/cache/apt/archives union > > Enjoy :) > > MK Cool! Thanx for the tip. Just heads up.. I downloaded the newer iso and put it on the same stick with dd. exactly the same procedure as with the prior iso. On my older Sony Vaio dual core 1.6 2gb ram, the 1st one worked flawlessly. Desktop design and eye candy really leaps out at you. The newer one... Enlightenment appears to have a few quirks; not all windows responding or behaving correctly for example. Regards, From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Oct 13 01:29:51 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:29:51 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] io GNU/Linux V2 RC1 out :) In-Reply-To: <691914F0-932A-4FD3-8026-FA387712AB9D@gmail.com> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> <1527811.uKiF6oqelJ@io> <8B8122FF-BD2A-49EF-A8F4-5DFD7194C4EF@gmail.com> <2459146.xm5Ed3J4vd@io> <691914F0-932A-4FD3-8026-FA387712AB9D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1381627791.765.80.camel@archlinux> On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 17:21 -0700, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Enlightenment appears to have a few quirks; not all windows responding > or behaving correctly for example. All the times people claim "now enlightenment" is stable and all the times when I was that stupid to test it, I experienced it as a PITA. Some weeks ago was the first time that I was informed, that it should be stable nowadays, but I wasn't interested to test it again. IIRC around ten years ago JAD was the first audio distro using enlightenment and likely the reason for it's unsuccessfulness. IMO production environments should use lightweight, but much used DEs. Gimmicks and a flashy design usually does point to shortcomings. My impression is, that gimmicks and a flashy design are often more important than functionality. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sun Oct 13 14:46:03 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:46:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <5255B6C6.8060101@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> <20131008215259.4090463f@debian> <5255B6C6.8060101@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20131013154603.4a28885c@debian> On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:04:22 -1000 david wrote: > On 10/08/2013 10:52 AM, Will J Godfrey wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 00:48:31 +1000 > > Danni Coy wrote: > > > >> I concur with everybody else for me at least this sound card "just works (tm)" > > > > The one on loan to me arrived yesterday, and I must say I'm *extremely* > > impressed with it. > > > > As you have all said, no trouble at all to set up, just plug in and set the > > connections in qjackctl. Sound seems very clean and noise-free. > > > > I'm also very taken with the build. Nice and solid. > > Amazon reviewers suggest it has problems with clicks, pops and noise for > some people (possibly connected with Windows drivers or when using > phantom power): > > http://www.amazon.com/Native-Instruments-Komplete-Audio-6/dp/B004YPRPJ6/ref=sr_1_1/190-5544941-3647542?ie=UTF8&qid=1381348352&sr=8-1&keywords=native+instruments+komplete+6 > > One reviewer said its distortion was 10x higher than FocusRite Scarlet 2i2. It appears that the round-trip distortion of the KA6 is around 0.01% with a S/N ratio better than 100dB. You know, I reckon I can live with that! I had looked at the 2i2 previously but was far from happy about possible compatibility issues with Linux. Incidentally, it only claims 0.002% distortion under ideal conditions. More real-world figures on their own website are very similar to the KA6. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From grib at billgribble.com Sun Oct 13 17:54:06 2013 From: grib at billgribble.com (Bill Gribble) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:54:06 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: <20131013154603.4a28885c@debian> References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> <20131008215259.4090463f@debian> <5255B6C6.8060101@hawaii.rr.com> <20131013154603.4a28885c@debian> Message-ID: Will Godfrey: > > I had looked at the 2i2 previously but was far from happy about possible > compatibility issues with Linux. Nothing against the KA6, but I have had 0 compatibility issues with the 2i2 and am very happy with the audio quality. Thanks, Bill Gribble From wrl at illest.net Sun Oct 13 18:07:08 2013 From: wrl at illest.net (William Light) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:07:08 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 In-Reply-To: References: <20131002191052.1dd0d3fc@debian> <51610f96-1c3d-465e-9d49-38efe4d3093b@email.android.com> <20131002201951.487c9fe1@debian> <20131008144027.GA27267@dudestache.don.gs> <20131008215259.4090463f@debian> <5255B6C6.8060101@hawaii.rr.com> <20131013154603.4a28885c@debian> Message-ID: <1381687628.8489.33480361.140627D9@webmail.messagingengine.com> I owned the 2i2 as well. Good interface if you don't need a ton of I/O, but also would just act weird sometimes. Especially when starting JACK or when recovering from an xrun, the level meters around the gain controls would flash a few times and audio would drop out. No such issues with the KA6. -w On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, at 19:54, Bill Gribble wrote: > Will Godfrey: > > > > I had looked at the 2i2 previously but was far from happy about possible > > compatibility issues with Linux. > > Nothing against the KA6, but I have had 0 compatibility issues with the > 2i2 and am very happy with the audio quality. > > Thanks, > Bill Gribble > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 22:06:26 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:06:26 -0700 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] io GNU/Linux V2 RC1 out :) In-Reply-To: <5996118.p3qqRQu8tp@io> References: <2063469.njFL8pzfso@io> <2459146.xm5Ed3J4vd@io> <691914F0-932A-4FD3-8026-FA387712AB9D@gmail.com> <5996118.p3qqRQu8tp@io> Message-ID: <895D35D0-7032-4E11-8C9C-1910216BF0CF@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> To make persistent usb stick, refer to: >>> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-be >>> haviours.en.html#529 >>> >>> persistence.conf for exemple: >>> >>> /etc/apt union >>> /etc/cron.daily union >>> /etc/cups union >>> /etc/default union >>> /etc/grub.d union >>> /etc/init.d union >>> /etc/modprobe.d union >>> /etc/rc0.d union >>> /etc/rc1.d union >>> /etc/rc2.d union >>> /etc/rc3.d union >>> /etc/rc4.d union >>> /etc/rc5.d union >>> /etc/rc6.d union >>> /etc/rcS.d union >>> /etc/samba union >>> /etc/wicd union >>> /etc/xul-ext union >>> /home >>> /opt union >>> /root union >>> /sbin union >>> /usr union >>> /var/cache/apt/archives union >>> >>> Enjoy :) >>> >>> MK >> >> Cool! Thanx for the tip. >> >> Just heads up.. I downloaded the newer iso and put it on the same stick with >> dd. exactly the same procedure as with the prior iso. On my older Sony Vaio >> dual core 1.6 2gb ram, the 1st one worked flawlessly. Desktop design and >> eye candy really leaps out at you. The newer one... Enlightenment appears >> to have a few quirks; not all windows responding or behaving correctly for >> example. >> >> Regards, > > Strange it should work normaly, can you check the integrity of the iso? > > user at io:~$ md5sum io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.10-18.42.iso > > should return: > 7110e2a708bfcd459d359e6f42be9510 io-live-hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.10-18.42.iso > > > If it's all right you can try to put it again in the stick using dd, then > reboot with it... if you experience problems, from the running io-live- > hybrid-686-pae--2013.10.10-18.42.iso, try: > > user at io:~$ md5sum /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.squashfs > > should return: > 32583b6171bb1d327385c70d1efd9712 > /lib/live/mount/medium/live/filesystem.squashfs Ok, thnx. Ill check it out later. Clients like looking at 'eye candy'!! For my needs this looks like a good relay box, dedicated synth or remote unit in another room piped across netjack to main DAW. I do want to try having it permanent on a single box to see how it runs. It's certainly much more spritely running from a USB stick vs a DVD. Kxstudio became my staple OS awhile ago but I still use AV Linux on some machines also. Always open to new stuff such as this slick looking set up! Having SMB already set up is a hi 5 from me!! Fanx! R From jamshark70 at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 03:04:14 2013 From: jamshark70 at gmail.com (James Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:04:14 +0800 Subject: [LAU] JACK hanging upon slight USB power glitch Message-ID: <6f9f8d10-c0f5-4d39-91dc-45b6a5ff3b42@dewdrop-world.net> Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I'm short of time today and really tired of Google searching. I'm running: Linux dlm-A6200 3.2.0-54-lowlatency #56-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 19 17:22:47 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux I have jack 2 connected via ALSA to an M-Audio Fast Track Pro. If there is any slight glitch in the USB power -- for instance, in a performance space where the sound engineer might need to plug/unplug cables frequently -- jackd spins out of control on one CPU and often locks up the user interface, forcing a hard shutdown and reboot. If I'm very lucky, I can get into the terminal, find jack's PID and kill it, but when the mouse and keyboard stop responding, there's nothing I can do reach for the power button. This occurs less frequently in 12.04 than it did when I started with 10.04, but when it does happen (as it did just now), it really, really ticks me off. I think there must be some automated way for the system to recognize that jack is out of control and kill it. [1] notes: -t, --timeout int Set client timeout limit in milliseconds. The default is 500 msec. In realtime mode the client timeout must be smaller than the watchdog timeout (5000 msec). Interesting... "watchdog timeout"... but I have never seen any effect from the watchdog mentioned here. Jack just keeps locking up the system for way longer than 5 seconds. I'm happy to provide more info if you can tell me what commands to run. Normally I would research it myself, but I'm just not in the mood today. If there's already good documentation on this, great, but... too many pages to read and I have no idea which is the best one. Thanks, hjh [1] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/jackd.1.html From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Oct 14 07:33:33 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:33:33 +0200 Subject: [LAU] JACK hanging upon slight USB power glitch In-Reply-To: <6f9f8d10-c0f5-4d39-91dc-45b6a5ff3b42@dewdrop-world.net> References: <6f9f8d10-c0f5-4d39-91dc-45b6a5ff3b42@dewdrop-world.net> Message-ID: <525B9E4D.1060502@autostatic.com> On 14-10-13 05:04, James Harkins wrote: > Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I'm short of time today and > really tired of Google searching. > > I'm running: > > Linux dlm-A6200 3.2.0-54-lowlatency #56-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 19 > 17:22:47 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > I have jack 2 connected via ALSA to an M-Audio Fast Track Pro. > > If there is any slight glitch in the USB power -- for instance, in a > performance space where the sound engineer might need to plug/unplug > cables frequently -- jackd spins out of control on one CPU and often > locks up the user interface, forcing a hard shutdown and reboot. If I'm > very lucky, I can get into the terminal, find jack's PID and kill it, > but when the mouse and keyboard stop responding, there's nothing I can > do reach for the power button. > Hello James, This doesn't work either to reboot? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses > This occurs less frequently in 12.04 than it did when I started with > 10.04, but when it does happen (as it did just now), it really, really > ticks me off. > > I think there must be some automated way for the system to recognize > that jack is out of control and kill it. [1] notes: > > -t, --timeout int > Set client timeout limit in milliseconds. The default > is 500 > msec. In realtime mode the client timeout must be smaller > than > the watchdog timeout (5000 msec). > > Interesting... "watchdog timeout"... but I have never seen any effect > from the watchdog mentioned here. Jack just keeps locking up the system > for way longer than 5 seconds. > Afaik Jack2 doesn't have a watchdog thread. > I'm happy to provide more info if you can tell me what commands to run. > Normally I would research it myself, but I'm just not in the mood today. > If there's already good documentation on this, great, but... too many > pages to read and I have no idea which is the best one. > Maybe you could try with a split USB cable: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/guitarix/index.php?title=Guitarix_Embedded_/_ARM_SoC#Fighting_the_Noise Jack2 has D-Bus support so maybe you could do something creative with that. Best, Jeremy > Thanks, > hjh > > [1] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/jackd.1.html > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My question is, has anyone got any news about this device and a possible drivers? Specifically to Mr. Brett McCoy: what driver did you use to make jack aware of your r8? Thank full for any hints, yours, -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 08:01:38 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:01:38 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Carla problem Message-ID: Hi, after writing to falkTX, problem resolved. I had changed audio driver from JACK to JACK with ALSA MIDI, but I did't noticedm that it cjanged the item below: Process mode - to continuous rack. The solution is change process mode to MULTIPLE CLIENTS. have a nice day. fero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abonnements at revolwear.com Mon Oct 14 09:55:59 2013 From: abonnements at revolwear.com (Max) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:55:59 +0900 Subject: [LAU] Laptop choice Message-ID: <70EE88C4-9BBD-47F8-93A7-B22F7C581A92@revolwear.com> Dear list, is this computer a good choice for linux+audio+GFX? Lenovo ThinkPad E531 68851B3 intel i7-3632QM Ivy Bridge processor, NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M 2GB GFX Card. thx, m. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 203 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 10:04:42 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (reSet Sakrecoer) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:04:42 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Laptop choice In-Reply-To: <70EE88C4-9BBD-47F8-93A7-B22F7C581A92@revolwear.com> References: <70EE88C4-9BBD-47F8-93A7-B22F7C581A92@revolwear.com> Message-ID: given you have a good amount of ram: yes! it's a sexy beast! On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Max wrote: > Dear list, > > is this computer a good choice for linux+audio+GFX? > Lenovo ThinkPad E531 68851B3 > intel i7-3632QM Ivy Bridge processor, NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M 2GB GFX Card. > > thx, > m. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From looplog at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 10:18:44 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:18:44 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Laptop choice In-Reply-To: <70EE88C4-9BBD-47F8-93A7-B22F7C581A92@revolwear.com> References: <70EE88C4-9BBD-47F8-93A7-B22F7C581A92@revolwear.com> Message-ID: It looks like a reasonably powerful machine, but there are possible issues. Do you have your own audio interface? If you plan to use the laptop built-in audio, then keep in mind that this laptop has a driver dependent Combo Jack Headphone/MIC plug. These are not always easy to get to work under linux. Also, I don't know what the state of support is like for NVidia Optimus. After reading a few horror forum entries about trying to get graphics working on such laptops with Linux, I decided to stay clear of dual graphics devices for a while. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Max wrote: > Dear list, > > is this computer a good choice for linux+audio+GFX? > Lenovo ThinkPad E531 68851B3 > intel i7-3632QM Ivy Bridge processor, NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M 2GB GFX Card. > > thx, > m. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hit the wrong button :( Have a good week all! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: reSet Sakrecoer Date: Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [LAU] Laptop choice To: Ralf Mardorf Agreed Ralf. I run a similar setup, but it's not laptop. Same processor, but graphix is Nvidia GeForce GT770 4Gb... No problem at all. I can record and playback with the build-in audio card. I did have to install the ethernet drivers manually for the motherboard. Which took me some time to figure out (not so experienced) It's an MSI motherboard. Like i said, i'm no pro...just sharing my personal experience Best of luck! maybe i should add, that i run ubunustudio 13.04 on it.... On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 18:18 +0800, michael noble wrote: > > It looks like a reasonably powerful machine > > It's better only to reply, if the machine is tested. A "reasonably > powerful machine" for Linux audio still could cause issues. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 14 11:17:30 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:17:30 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: Laptop choice In-Reply-To: References: <70EE88C4-9BBD-47F8-93A7-B22F7C581A92@revolwear.com> <1381748264.3978.45.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1381749450.3978.52.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 13:08 +0200, reSet Sakrecoer wrote: > Sorry Ralf... I hit the wrong button :( Don't worry about it :), but you have forgotten to forward this to the list: On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 13:06 +0200, reSet Sakrecoer wrote: PS. > maybe i should add, that i run ubunustudio 13.04 on it.... From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Oct 14 11:28:24 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:28:24 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Laptop choice In-Reply-To: References: <70EE88C4-9BBD-47F8-93A7-B22F7C581A92@revolwear.com> Message-ID: <525BD558.9090300@autostatic.com> On 14-10-13 12:18, michael noble wrote: > Also, I don't know what the state of support is like for NVidia Optimus. > After reading a few horror forum entries about trying to get graphics > working on such laptops with Linux, I decided to stay clear of dual > graphics devices for a while. It should work with a Bumblebee setup. Haven't tested this yet on my own notebook, I'm using the Intel GPU and don't really need the nvidia one. 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I'm now using Ubuntu Studio 13.04, I haven't tried the device out yet on that version. If I recall, I didn't need to use any specific driver, I think it used the ALSA USB audio & midi drivers automagically. You have to do a little bit of config in Ardour, to make sure you use the correct protocol. I don't think it works in Ardour2 or MixBus, though, just Ardour3. I'm not in my studio right now but can check it out later today. I haven't useed my Zoom R8 for a while, actually -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 14 13:10:55 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:10:55 -0400 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Brett McCoy wrote: > > I'm now using Ubuntu Studio 13.04, I haven't tried the device out yet > on that version. If I recall, I didn't need to use any specific > driver, I think it used the ALSA USB audio & midi drivers > automagically. You have to do a little bit of config in Ardour, to > make sure you use the correct protocol. I don't think it works in > Ardour2 or MixBus, though, just Ardour3. > No idea what role Ardour would play in this .... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 14 13:14:20 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:14:20 -0400 Subject: [LAU] JACK hanging upon slight USB power glitch In-Reply-To: <525B9E4D.1060502@autostatic.com> References: <6f9f8d10-c0f5-4d39-91dc-45b6a5ff3b42@dewdrop-world.net> <525B9E4D.1060502@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > > > I think there must be some automated way for the system to recognize > > that jack is out of control and kill it. [1] notes: > > > > -t, --timeout int > > Set client timeout limit in milliseconds. The default > > is 500 > > msec. In realtime mode the client timeout must be smaller > > than > > the watchdog timeout (5000 msec). > > > > Interesting... "watchdog timeout"... but I have never seen any effect > > from the watchdog mentioned here. Jack just keeps locking up the system > > for way longer than 5 seconds. > > > > Afaik Jack2 doesn't have a watchdog thread. > Neither will the next release of Jack1. I believe that the lockups here are actually caused by interactions with the kernel. I also wasn't aware that anyone had added robustness-against-device-disappearance to any version of JACK. It was on my list of things to do while I'm on a JACK-hacking excursion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 13:20:23 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:20:23 -0400 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Paul Davis wrote: >> >> I'm now using Ubuntu Studio 13.04, I haven't tried the device out yet >> on that version. If I recall, I didn't need to use any specific >> driver, I think it used the ALSA USB audio & midi drivers >> automagically. You have to do a little bit of config in Ardour, to >> make sure you use the correct protocol. I don't think it works in >> Ardour2 or MixBus, though, just Ardour3. > > > No idea what role Ardour would play in this .... None at all, beyond making sure you configure it correctly for the device (Mackie). Otherwise, it's all done through ALSA. I don't remember to what extent it might have worked in A2 as a surface controller, I didn't test it much, it definitely worked in A3 as a surface controller. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 14 13:24:27 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:24:27 -0400 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Paul Davis > wrote: > >> > >> I'm now using Ubuntu Studio 13.04, I haven't tried the device out yet > >> on that version. If I recall, I didn't need to use any specific > >> driver, I think it used the ALSA USB audio & midi drivers > >> automagically. You have to do a little bit of config in Ardour, to > >> make sure you use the correct protocol. I don't think it works in > >> Ardour2 or MixBus, though, just Ardour3. > > > > > > No idea what role Ardour would play in this .... > > None at all, beyond making sure you configure it correctly for the > device (Mackie). Otherwise, it's all done through ALSA. I don't > remember to what extent it might have worked in A2 as a surface > controller, I didn't test it much, it definitely worked in A3 as a > surface controller. > Oh, as a control surface! sorry, missed that bit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 13:33:17 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:33:17 -0400 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Paul Davis wrote: >> None at all, beyond making sure you configure it correctly for the >> device (Mackie). Otherwise, it's all done through ALSA. I don't >> remember to what extent it might have worked in A2 as a surface >> controller, I didn't test it much, it definitely worked in A3 as a >> surface controller. > > Oh, as a control surface! sorry, missed that bit. Yeah, as an audio controller, if I recall, it worked out of the box as a USB device. I haven't played with it in a while and only used the surface controller stuff. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 13:39:33 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (reSet Sakrecoer) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:39:33 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thank you Mr. McCoy! Hmm... with the alsa driver i get no audio/midi detection in JACK for my R16... Like Mr. Davis is saying, i don't think ardour has alot to do with this. I believe JACK is more of a headliner in this investigation :) It's not so much of a problem in my workflow since the tracks are easily exported out of the zoom into any DAW. But it could be convenient. Hopefully, someone more skilled than me will push the research forward. Technically i can't do anything. But what i am doing ATM is writing an impossible-to-decline email to Zoom, to try to obtain the source of the OSX drivers (wish me luck), since it seems from other threads in the ether covering the subject, that it could help the WIP. Have a delicious week! *Set On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Brett McCoy wrote: > >> >> I'm now using Ubuntu Studio 13.04, I haven't tried the device out yet >> on that version. If I recall, I didn't need to use any specific >> driver, I think it used the ALSA USB audio & midi drivers >> automagically. You have to do a little bit of config in Ardour, to >> make sure you use the correct protocol. I don't think it works in >> Ardour2 or MixBus, though, just Ardour3. >> > > No idea what role Ardour would play in this .... > > -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 13:42:46 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:42:46 -0400 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, reSet Sakrecoer wrote: > Hmm... with the alsa driver i get no audio/midi detection in JACK for my > R16... Like Mr. Davis is saying, i don't think ardour has alot to do with > this. I believe JACK is more of a headliner in this investigation :) It's > not so much of a problem in my workflow since the tracks are easily exported > out of the zoom into any DAW. But it could be convenient. > > Hopefully, someone more skilled than me will push the research forward. > Technically i can't do anything. But what i am doing ATM is writing an > impossible-to-decline email to Zoom, to try to obtain the source of the OSX > drivers (wish me luck), since it seems from other threads in the ether > covering the subject, that it could help the WIP. I'll take a look at it when I back in the studio tonight. I didn't do much with the audio interface, but it was working for me with ALSA & Pulseaudio (didn't try it with Jack, at least not for audio). -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 13:44:37 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (reSet Sakrecoer) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:44:37 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you!!! that would be very nice of you! :) On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Brett McCoy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, reSet Sakrecoer > wrote: > > > Hmm... with the alsa driver i get no audio/midi detection in JACK for my > > R16... Like Mr. Davis is saying, i don't think ardour has alot to do with > > this. I believe JACK is more of a headliner in this investigation :) It's > > not so much of a problem in my workflow since the tracks are easily > exported > > out of the zoom into any DAW. But it could be convenient. > > > > Hopefully, someone more skilled than me will push the research forward. > > Technically i can't do anything. But what i am doing ATM is writing an > > impossible-to-decline email to Zoom, to try to obtain the source of the > OSX > > drivers (wish me luck), since it seems from other threads in the ether > > covering the subject, that it could help the WIP. > > I'll take a look at it when I back in the studio tonight. I didn't do > much with the audio interface, but it was working for me with ALSA & > Pulseaudio (didn't try it with Jack, at least not for audio). > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, > it would overturn the world." > -- Jelaleddin Rumi > -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Linux Show Player is available at: http://code.google.com/p/linux-show-player/ Please report bugs using the issue tracker: http://code.google.com/p/linux-show-player/issues/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 21:40:07 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:40:07 -0400 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey man, I am in my studio now, here's what I am doing under Ubuntu Studio 13.04 1. Plugin USB cable to unit, turn it on 2. Press USB button on unit and activate USB functionality 3. lsub shows me this: $ lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 007: ID 1686:014f ZOOM Corporation Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0719 Genesys Logic, Inc. SATA adapter Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver Bus 002 Device 004: ID 18e3:9106 Fitipower Integrated Technology Inc 4. aplay shows me this: $ aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: DSP [Hammerfall DSP], device 0: RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface [RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 2: R8 [ZOOM R8], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Turnong on jack, I get an ALSA MIDI device and Jack in/out ports. Running a2j -e (export hardware ports), ZOOM R8 is listed under Jack MIDI. This is working out of the box for me, I didn't need to install and/or configure anything. Pulseaudio seems to work better with jack out of the box on Ubuntu Studio 13.04 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, reSet Sakrecoer wrote: > Thank you!!! that would be very nice of you! :) > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Brett McCoy wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, reSet Sakrecoer >> wrote: >> >> > Hmm... with the alsa driver i get no audio/midi detection in JACK for my >> > R16... Like Mr. Davis is saying, i don't think ardour has alot to do >> > with >> > this. I believe JACK is more of a headliner in this investigation :) >> > It's >> > not so much of a problem in my workflow since the tracks are easily >> > exported >> > out of the zoom into any DAW. But it could be convenient. >> > >> > Hopefully, someone more skilled than me will push the research forward. >> > Technically i can't do anything. But what i am doing ATM is writing an >> > impossible-to-decline email to Zoom, to try to obtain the source of the >> > OSX >> > drivers (wish me luck), since it seems from other threads in the ether >> > covering the subject, that it could help the WIP. >> >> I'll take a look at it when I back in the studio tonight. I didn't do >> much with the audio interface, but it was working for me with ALSA & >> Pulseaudio (didn't try it with Jack, at least not for audio). >> >> -- >> Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, >> it would overturn the world." >> -- Jelaleddin Rumi > > > > > -- > Set Hallstr?m > AKA > reSet Sakrecoer > http://sakrecoer.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 09:44:56 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:44:56 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> Thank you very much Mr. McCoy!!!! :) lsusb lists my device. But unfortunately, aplay -l dose not detect it. I imagine it has something to with the fact that the r16 has 8 inputs and there for needs a non-standard driver. But this is just my n00by speculation. Let's hope my very kind and respectful jedi-mail will have effect on zoom corporation :D Thanks again for your precious help! Set H. On 2013-10-14 23:40, Brett McCoy wrote: > Hey man, I am in my studio now, here's what I am doing under Ubuntu Studio 13.04 > > 1. Plugin USB cable to unit, turn it on > 2. Press USB button on unit and activate USB functionality > 3. lsub shows me this: > > $ lsusb > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub > Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > Bus 001 Device 007: ID 1686:014f ZOOM Corporation > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0719 Genesys Logic, Inc. SATA adapter > Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver > Bus 002 Device 004: ID 18e3:9106 Fitipower Integrated Technology Inc > > 4. aplay shows me this: > > $ aplay -l > **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** > card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 1: DSP [Hammerfall DSP], device 0: RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface > [RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface] > Subdevices: 0/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 2: R8 [ZOOM R8], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > Turnong on jack, I get an ALSA MIDI device and Jack in/out ports. > Running a2j -e (export hardware ports), ZOOM R8 is listed under Jack > MIDI. > > This is working out of the box for me, I didn't need to install and/or > configure anything. > > Pulseaudio seems to work better with jack out of the box on Ubuntu Studio 13.04 > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, reSet Sakrecoer wrote: >> Thank you!!! that would be very nice of you! :) >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Brett McCoy wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, reSet Sakrecoer >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hmm... with the alsa driver i get no audio/midi detection in JACK for my >>>> R16... Like Mr. Davis is saying, i don't think ardour has alot to do >>>> with >>>> this. I believe JACK is more of a headliner in this investigation :) >>>> It's >>>> not so much of a problem in my workflow since the tracks are easily >>>> exported >>>> out of the zoom into any DAW. But it could be convenient. >>>> >>>> Hopefully, someone more skilled than me will push the research forward. >>>> Technically i can't do anything. But what i am doing ATM is writing an >>>> impossible-to-decline email to Zoom, to try to obtain the source of the >>>> OSX >>>> drivers (wish me luck), since it seems from other threads in the ether >>>> covering the subject, that it could help the WIP. >>> >>> I'll take a look at it when I back in the studio tonight. I didn't do >>> much with the audio interface, but it was working for me with ALSA & >>> Pulseaudio (didn't try it with Jack, at least not for audio). >>> >>> -- >>> Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, >>> it would overturn the world." >>> -- Jelaleddin Rumi >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Set Hallstr?m >> AKA >> reSet Sakrecoer >> http://sakrecoer.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From clemens at ladisch.de Tue Oct 15 11:15:48 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:15:48 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> Set Hallstrom wrote: > lsusb lists my device. But unfortunately, aplay -l dose not detect it. > > I imagine it has something to with the fact that the r16 has 8 inputs > and there for needs a non-standard driver. Try recompiling the kernel with the following entry in sound/usb/quirks-table.h: { /* ZOOM R16 in USB 2.0 mode */ USB_DEVICE(0x1686, 0x00dd), .driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk) { .ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE, .type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE, .data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) { { .ifnum = 0, .type = QUIRK_IGNORE_INTERFACE }, { .ifnum = 1, .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE }, { .ifnum = 2, .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE }, { .ifnum = 3, .type = QUIRK_MIDI_STANDARD_INTERFACE }, { .ifnum = .1 }, } } }, Regards, Clemens From timo.westkamper at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 20:46:08 2013 From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:46:08 +0300 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates Message-ID: Hi. I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: https://github.com/timowest/rogue rogue is a multi-mode soft synth with * 4 oscillators: VA, FM, Supersaw/square with modulation: PM, RM etc * 2 filters: BiQuad, Moog style, SVF and Comb * 4 envs and 4 lfos * effects: chorus, phaser, delay, reverb ... There are also some basic presets bundled. Br, Timo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brent at keycorner.org Tue Oct 15 21:12:28 2013 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:12:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [LAU] processing stereo sides separately Message-ID: Is there a simpler way in Ardour to put different plugins on one side of a stereo field than what is on the other side, than to split into to two mono tracks/buses with their own completely separate channel strips? I'm assuming there probably isn't, and if so, that's ok...just wondering. -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Oct 15 22:51:30 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:51:30 -0400 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Timo Westk?mper wrote: > Hi. > > I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: > https://github.com/timowest/rogue > > rogue is a multi-mode soft synth with > > * 4 oscillators: VA, FM, Supersaw/square with modulation: PM, RM etc > * 2 filters: BiQuad, Moog style, SVF and Comb > * 4 envs and 4 lfos > * effects: chorus, phaser, delay, reverb > ... > > There are also some basic presets bundled. > make ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen g++ -fPIC -DPIC -std=c++11 -Ofast -ffast-math -g -shared dsp/*.cpp src/*.cpp fx/*.cc `pkg-config --cflags --libs lvtk-plugin-1` `pkg-config --cflags --libs samplerate` -Idsp -Isrc -Ifx -Ifx/dsp -o rogue.so cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" make: *** [rogue.so] Error 1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 01:39:16 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:39:16 -0400 Subject: [LAU] processing stereo sides separately In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Brent Busby wrote: > Is there a simpler way in Ardour to put different plugins on one side of a > stereo field than what is on the other side, than to split into to two mono > tracks/buses with their own completely separate channel strips? > > I'm assuming there probably isn't, and if so, that's ok...just wondering. I don't think there is way to do it directly on the stereo track, you'd have to send the seperate channels to mono busses and then apply effects. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From burkhard at ualberta.ca Wed Oct 16 03:11:48 2013 From: burkhard at ualberta.ca (Burkhard Ritter) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:11:48 -0600 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, you probably need a newer compiler. It compiles fine for me with g++ version 4.7.3. The synth looks really nice. However, I cannot seem to get any sound out of it. I tried both with jalv.qt (make run) and with QTractor. Also, how can I load the provided presets (with jalv or QTractor or Ardour)? Cheers, Burkhard On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Timo Westk?mper > wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: >> https://github.com/timowest/rogue >> >> rogue is a multi-mode soft synth with >> >> * 4 oscillators: VA, FM, Supersaw/square with modulation: PM, RM etc >> * 2 filters: BiQuad, Moog style, SVF and Comb >> * 4 envs and 4 lfos >> * effects: chorus, phaser, delay, reverb >> ... >> >> There are also some basic presets bundled. > > > > make > ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen > g++ -fPIC -DPIC -std=c++11 -Ofast -ffast-math -g -shared dsp/*.cpp > src/*.cpp fx/*.cc `pkg-config --cflags --libs lvtk-plugin-1` `pkg-config > --cflags --libs samplerate` -Idsp -Isrc -Ifx -Ifx/dsp -o rogue.so > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > make: *** [rogue.so] Error 1 > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From timo.westkamper at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 06:52:51 2013 From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:52:51 +0300 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Burkhard Ritter wrote: > Hi Paul, > > you probably need a newer compiler. It compiles fine for me with g++ > version 4.7.3. > > The synth looks really nice. However, I cannot seem to get any sound > out of it. I tried both with jalv.qt (make run) and with QTractor. > Also, how can I load the provided presets (with jalv or QTractor or > Ardour)? > Yes, it needs a newer compiler. jalv.qt doesn't (yet) have any preset management, so you will need to use another tool for that. QTractor and Ardour should work. I created a ticket for better initialization https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/76 Br, Timo > > Cheers, > Burkhard > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Paul Davis > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Timo Westk?mper < > timo.westkamper at gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi. > >> > >> I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: > >> https://github.com/timowest/rogue > >> > >> rogue is a multi-mode soft synth with > >> > >> * 4 oscillators: VA, FM, Supersaw/square with modulation: PM, RM etc > >> * 2 filters: BiQuad, Moog style, SVF and Comb > >> * 4 envs and 4 lfos > >> * effects: chorus, phaser, delay, reverb > >> ... > >> > >> There are also some basic presets bundled. > > > > > > > > make > > ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen > > g++ -fPIC -DPIC -std=c++11 -Ofast -ffast-math -g -shared dsp/*.cpp > > src/*.cpp fx/*.cc `pkg-config --cflags --libs lvtk-plugin-1` `pkg-config > > --cflags --libs samplerate` -Idsp -Isrc -Ifx -Ifx/dsp -o rogue.so > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? > > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" > > make: *** [rogue.so] Error 1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But unfortunately, aplay -l dose not detect it. > > > > I imagine it has something to with the fact that the r16 has 8 inputs > > and there for needs a non-standard driver. > > Try recompiling the kernel with the following entry in > sound/usb/quirks-table.h: > > { > /* ZOOM R16 in USB 2.0 mode */ > USB_DEVICE(0x1686, 0x00dd), > .driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct > snd_usb_audio_quirk) { > .ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE, > .type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE, > .data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) { > { > .ifnum = 0, > .type = QUIRK_IGNORE_INTERFACE > }, > { > .ifnum = 1, > .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE > }, > { > .ifnum = 2, > .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE > }, > { > .ifnum = 3, > .type = QUIRK_MIDI_STANDARD_INTERFACE > }, > { > .ifnum = .1 > }, > } > } > }, > > > Regards, > Clemens > -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbarney at djbarney.org Wed Oct 16 14:57:33 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:57:33 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? Message-ID: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Hello, I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? Peace djbarney From jmckernon at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 15:14:19 2013 From: jmckernon at gmail.com (James Mckernon) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:14:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: Seq24 is worth a look for live sequencing. It lets you record MIDI loops on the fly, and has a nice set of keybindings for turning them on and off (in groups, in sync, etc). It seems like some aspects of its jack support might have succumbed to bitrot, but it's worth experimenting to see what you can get working. In any case I'm pretty sure it works fine as a standalone sequencer - it just might have some issues when you try and sync it to another sequencer program, or vice versa. And I haven't used it myself, but it's possible that harmonySEQ might be of interest to you, too. best, J On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > Hello, > > I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by > keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using locked > groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid between > DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and Jack. I can > create totally presequenced productions but find that takes away my > spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need > as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I did start > using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi that can make > drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are set up for > altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to the MIDI output. > I suppose I'm trying to recreate the immediacy and spontaneity that using > original hardware 808/909/sampler set ups used to be able to create. Another > example was the immediate accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has > a good real time 303 implementation but all the percussion was sample based, > which I want to move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds > *much* richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there > ? Screen shots ? > > Peace > > djbarney > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From harryhaaren at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 16:17:24 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:17:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > Hello, > Hey! > I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by > keeping everything as live as possible. Good stuff, I'm pretty interested in the same things myself. > Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many > examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I'm working on a piece of software Luppp, which is a live-audio-looping tool directed to live-performance. Its currently not released yet (because its not ready), but its getting quite far: Details on http://openavproductions.com/luppp I've recently released ArtyFX, a plugin set which is also somewhat gearted towards live performance. It contains on plugin "Masha", which provides teh Pioneer DJM style "Roll" / stutter effect: MIDI bind it for extra fun. See http://openavproductions.com/artyfx > I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more > dynamic than samples. I'm interested in how you do this, and what tips you have... any chance of a tutorial / blogpost / screencast? > So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? > I'm currently looping audio with Luppp, manually drumming in a beat using a MIDI controller and Fabla ( http://openavproductions.com/fabla ), most melodic instruments are recorded using a mic / DI-box, and doing effects with ArtyFX. The workflow is quite nice, but needs some stream-lining and improvement. Also, Luppp needs to be released: the reason I'm holding off is because there's no use in live-performance software that *might* crash during performance. Hence, please sit-tight, and know I'm working on it! Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Wed Oct 16 16:30:25 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:30:25 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <1381941025.1125.66.camel@archlinux> > And I haven't used it myself, but it's possible that harmonySEQ might > be of interest to you, too. I recommend against harmonySEQ, for several reasons. One serious reason is the bad timing, that has nothing to do with human touch, it simply can't play in time. For making live music I wouldn't use "sequencing", at least not to play drums. Why not playing synth drums by drum pads without using a sequencer? Regards, Ralf From djbarney at djbarney.org Wed Oct 16 18:52:27 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:52:27 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <20131016185227.34571sbh5p72u4iz@server34.abstractdns.com> Thanks, I'll take a look at that :) Quoting James Mckernon : > Seq24 is worth a look for live sequencing. It lets you record MIDI > loops on the fly, and has a nice set of keybindings for turning them > on and off (in groups, in sync, etc). It seems like some aspects of > its jack support might have succumbed to bitrot, but it's worth > experimenting to see what you can get working. In any case I'm pretty > sure it works fine as a standalone sequencer - it just might have some > issues when you try and sync it to another sequencer program, or vice > versa. > > And I haven't used it myself, but it's possible that harmonySEQ might > be of interest to you, too. > > best, > J > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by >> keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using locked >> groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid between >> DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and Jack. I can >> create totally presequenced productions but find that takes away my >> spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need >> as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I did start >> using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi that can make >> drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are set up for >> altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to the MIDI output. >> I suppose I'm trying to recreate the immediacy and spontaneity that using >> original hardware 808/909/sampler set ups used to be able to create. Another >> example was the immediate accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has >> a good real time 303 implementation but all the percussion was sample based, >> which I want to move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds >> *much* richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there >> ? Screen shots ? >> >> Peace >> >> djbarney >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From djbarney at djbarney.org Wed Oct 16 19:01:13 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:01:13 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <20131016190113.44238trre9iqp75l@server34.abstractdns.com> Quoting Harry van Haaren : > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > >> Hello, >> > Hey! > > >> I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by >> keeping everything as live as possible. > > Good stuff, I'm pretty interested in the same things myself. Hey, where do you play ? Do you mix records as well ? > > >> Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many >> examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. > > I'm working on a piece of software Luppp, which is a live-audio-looping > tool directed to live-performance. > Its currently not released yet (because its not ready), but its getting > quite far: Details on http://openavproductions.com/luppp Looks interesting. So, of course, the little MIDI drum/percussion loops are just the equivalent of mixing "DJ tools" records that have locked grooves on them. I've even done it by blocking the tone arm with something so it skips back into the groove. Instant drum loop! > > I've recently released ArtyFX, a plugin set which is also somewhat gearted > towards live performance. It contains on plugin "Masha", which provides teh > Pioneer DJM style "Roll" / stutter effect: MIDI bind it for extra fun. See > http://openavproductions.com/artyfx > > >> I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more >> dynamic than samples. > > I'm interested in how you do this, and what tips you have... any chance of > a tutorial / blogpost / screencast? I originally found - "How to create drum sounds in ZynAddSubFX or Yoshimi, Part 1" - http://shrp.me/docs/zynaddsubfx_yoshimi_drum_tutorial.php At the moment I am redirecting Hydrogen MIDI events out via MIDI to Yoshimi to trigger the drum sound. The thing with Yoshimi is that you can route multiple drum/percussion sounds from the same running instance of Yoshimi into Jack/Ardour and record/tweak individually. I'll put together a blog post/tutorial about this. > > >> So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? >> > I'm currently looping audio with Luppp, manually drumming in a beat using > a MIDI controller and Fabla ( http://openavproductions.com/fabla ), most > melodic instruments are recorded using a mic / DI-box, and doing effects > with ArtyFX. > > The workflow is quite nice, but needs some stream-lining and improvement. > Also, Luppp needs to be released: the reason I'm holding off is because > there's no use in live-performance software that *might* crash during > performance. Hence, please sit-tight, and know I'm working on it! Interesting. Is Lupp open source ? Even if it does crash it might be wise to release anyway so you get testers/bug reporters. As long as its clearly labelled alpha/beta with a disclaimer then you can't be blamed for performance glitches. But of course depends on your own personal development style. > > Cheers, -Harry > All the best From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Oct 16 19:19:07 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:19:07 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <525EE6AB.8060206@autostatic.com> On 10/16/2013 04:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi > that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are > set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to > the MIDI output. The empty wave trick might be helpful here: http://forum.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2443#p13540 Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From harryhaaren at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 19:20:38 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:20:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: <20131016190113.44238trre9iqp75l@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> <20131016190113.44238trre9iqp75l@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > Hey, where do you play ? Do you mix records as well ? Currently not, I did used to have a set of Str8 150's, and was mad into beat-juggling / turntablism stuff... back in my day ;-) I've not performed much recently, but hope to change that once Luppp is released... > I'll put together a blog post/tutorial about this. [drum sound generation > in Yoshimi]. > Looking forward to it! > Is Lupp open source ? Yes, the new Luppp (as from video) will be released as open-source. Even if it does crash it might be wise to release anyway so you get > testers/bug reporters. I've concidered it, and I'm currently asking a few "hardcore-testers" to let me know what issues they're having. I'm recieving very useful feedback, and implementing / fixing as much as I can. There's work to do yet. As for the actual release, I'm developing the new Luppp under OpenAV productions, which uses a donation/time release system: www.openavproductions.com/support Lets keep in touch, and see where we can find our ideal workflows in the coming weeks / months. Cheers, -Harry PS: Jeremy, that's an awesome thread! I never knew it existed.. until now. /me goes to read... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Oct 16 19:31:10 2013 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:31:10 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <525EE97E.5070909@autostatic.com> On 10/16/2013 04:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > Hello, > > I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks > by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using > locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid > between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and > Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes > away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set > ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing > else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like > Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen > controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do > anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the > immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler > set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate > accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 > implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to > move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* > richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? > Screen shots ? > > Peace > > djbarney > Hi Barney, You need to check out Superdirt?, I think it's quite close to what you're aiming at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YAFu7hgbE0 And yes, that's Hydrogen running on the notebook. Best, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gianfranco at portalmod.com.br Wed Oct 16 19:39:59 2013 From: gianfranco at portalmod.com.br (Gianfranco Ceccolini) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:39:59 -0300 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: Hi Harry I've cloned the ArtyFX git repo and tried to build but when I try to run make it gives me the following errors: gian at gian-MacPro ~/mod/SRCPluginsWeb/openAV-ArtyFX $ make cd roomy && make make[1]: Entrando no diret?rio `/home/gian/mod/SRCPluginsWeb/openAV-ArtyFX/roomy' mkdir -p roomy.lv2/ Package ntk was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `ntk.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'ntk' found Package ntk_images was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `ntk_images.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'ntk_images' found Package ntk was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `ntk.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'ntk' found Package ntk_images was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `ntk_images.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'ntk_images' found g++ gui/roomy_widget.cxx gui/roomy_ui.cxx -O3 -Wall -fPIC -shared -Wl,-z,nodelete -o roomy.lv2/roomy_ui.so In file included from gui/roomy_widget.cxx:3:0: gui/roomy_widget.h:5:19: erro fatal: FL/Fl.H: Arquivo ou diret?rio n?o encontrado compila??o terminada. gui/roomy_ui.cxx:24:18: erro fatal: FL/x.H: Arquivo ou diret?rio n?o encontrado compila??o terminada. make[1]: ** [roomy.lv2/roomy_ui.so] Erro 1 make[1]: Saindo do diret?rio `/home/gian/mod/SRCPluginsWeb/openAV-ArtyFX/roomy' make: ** [all] Erro 2 Am I missing something? Kind regards Gianfranco 2013/10/16 Harry van Haaren > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > >> Hello, >> > Hey! > > >> I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by >> keeping everything as live as possible. > > Good stuff, I'm pretty interested in the same things myself. > > >> Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many >> examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. > > I'm working on a piece of software Luppp, which is a live-audio-looping > tool directed to live-performance. > Its currently not released yet (because its not ready), but its getting > quite far: Details on http://openavproductions.com/luppp > > I've recently released ArtyFX, a plugin set which is also somewhat gearted > towards live performance. It contains on plugin "Masha", which provides teh > Pioneer DJM style "Roll" / stutter effect: MIDI bind it for extra fun. See > http://openavproductions.com/artyfx > > >> I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more >> dynamic than samples. > > I'm interested in how you do this, and what tips you have... any chance of > a tutorial / blogpost / screencast? > > >> So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? >> > I'm currently looping audio with Luppp, manually drumming in a beat using > a MIDI controller and Fabla ( http://openavproductions.com/fabla ), most > melodic instruments are recorded using a mic / DI-box, and doing effects > with ArtyFX. > > The workflow is quite nice, but needs some stream-lining and improvement. > Also, Luppp needs to be released: the reason I'm holding off is because > there's no use in live-performance software that *might* crash during > performance. Hence, please sit-tight, and know I'm working on it! > > Cheers, -Harry > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harryhaaren at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 19:59:57 2013 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:59:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Gianfranco Ceccolini < gianfranco at portalmod.com.br> wrote: > I've cloned the ArtyFX git repo and tried to build but when I try to run make it gives me the following errors: I don't want to steal DJ Barney's thread on live-performance: new issue on github, where we can fix this: https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-ArtyFX/issues/2 Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbarney at djbarney.org Wed Oct 16 20:49:43 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:49:43 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: <525EE97E.5070909@autostatic.com> References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> <525EE97E.5070909@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <20131016204943.89904ztsi03vvisn@server34.abstractdns.com> Quoting Jeremy Jongepier : > On 10/16/2013 04:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks >> by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using >> locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid >> between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and >> Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes >> away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set >> ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing >> else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like >> Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen >> controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do >> anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the >> immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler >> set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate >> accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 >> implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to >> move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* >> richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? >> Screen shots ? >> >> Peace >> >> djbarney >> > > Hi Barney, > > You need to check out Superdirt?, I think it's quite close to what > you're aiming at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YAFu7hgbE0 > And yes, that's Hydrogen running on the notebook. > > Best, > > Jeremy > > > That's a great example ! They do a very good job of striking the balance between sequenced percussion and live instruments which is quite a difficult balance to strike. I would have put more composition of the percussion in but that's my stylee not Superdirt stylee. If you listen to some the original german trance/techno on labels like Harthouse they use a lot of subtle percussion composition, build ups, break downs and so forth. I proved to myself in the 1990's that it was possible to do this live using the software Rebirth. I never got back to implementing this until recently (long story). djbarney From nolaiz at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 23:34:37 2013 From: nolaiz at gmail.com (Natanael Olaiz) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:34:37 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> Hi Clemens, El 10/15/2013 01:15 PM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: > Set Hallstrom wrote: >> lsusb lists my device. But unfortunately, aplay -l dose not detect it. >> >> I imagine it has something to with the fact that the r16 has 8 inputs >> and there for needs a non-standard driver. > Try recompiling the kernel with the following entry in > sound/usb/quirks-table.h: > [...] I confirm that the patch works for MIDI on a kernel 3.10.7 (gentoo)!! Thanks a lot!! On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. I'll do more tests... Thanks again!, Natanael. > Regards, > Clemens > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From rtg at aapsc.com Fri Oct 18 00:48:20 2013 From: rtg at aapsc.com (Rick Green) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [LAU] Zoom H6 Message-ID: I recently purchased a Zoom H6, and today tried it out for the first time on Linux. With a clean install of UbuntuStudio 13.10 (Just released this morning), I found that it is recognized as an audio interface in two-track mode, but in multitrack mode, Jack won't start, complaining that it can't acquire hw:H6 or hw:1 or hw:(1,0), I tried them all. Any word on an ALSA driver for multitrack mode? ...just as a reference point, the H6 was plug-n-play on a mac with pro-tools 10 in multitrack mode. The manual also claims Windows support, but with a manually-installed driver. -- Rick Green ...I live in the hope that one day the fine line of distinction between genius and insanity will be decided in my favor. From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Oct 18 06:26:00 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:26:00 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Zoom H6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5260D478.60408@ladisch.de> Rick Green wrote: > I recently purchased a Zoom H6, and today tried it out for the first > time on Linux. [...] > in multitrack mode, Jack won't start, complaining that it can't > acquire hw:H6 or hw:1 or hw:(1,0), I tried them all. Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device in multitrack mode. Regards, Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Oct 18 06:27:03 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:27:03 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> Natanael Olaiz wrote: > El 10/15/2013 01:15 PM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >> Try recompiling the kernel with the following entry in >> sound/usb/quirks-table.h: >> [...] > > I confirm that the patch works for MIDI on a kernel 3.10.7 (gentoo)!! > Thanks a lot!! > > On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The > device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. What happens? Regards, Clemens From rtg at aapsc.com Fri Oct 18 07:12:39 2013 From: rtg at aapsc.com (Rick Green) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 03:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [LAU] Zoom H6 In-Reply-To: <5260D478.60408@ladisch.de> References: <5260D478.60408@ladisch.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Rick Green wrote: >> I recently purchased a Zoom H6, and today tried it out for the first >> time on Linux. [...] >> in multitrack mode, Jack won't start, complaining that it can't >> acquire hw:H6 or hw:1 or hw:(1,0), I tried them all. > > Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device in multitrack mode. > Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1686:01c5 ZOOM Corporation Couldn't open device, some information will be missing Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 239 Miscellaneous Device bDeviceSubClass 2 ? bDeviceProtocol 1 Interface Association bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x1686 ZOOM Corporation idProduct 0x01c5 bcdDevice 0.00 iManufacturer 1 iProduct 2 iSerial 3 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 245 bNumInterfaces 3 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x80 (Bus Powered) MaxPower 500mA Interface Association: bLength 8 bDescriptorType 11 bFirstInterface 0 bInterfaceCount 3 bFunctionClass 1 Audio bFunctionSubClass 0 bFunctionProtocol 32 iFunction 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device bInterfaceProtocol 32 iInterface 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (HEADER) bcdADC 2.00 bCategory 9 wTotalLength 109 bmControl 0x00 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 8 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 10 (CLOCK_SOURCE) bClockID 6 bmAttributes 0x03 Internal programmable Clock bmControls 0x03 Clock Frequency Control (read/write) bAssocTerminal 0 iClockSource 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 17 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 1 wTerminalType 0x0101 USB Streaming bAssocTerminal 0 bCSourceID 6 bNrChannels 2 bmChannelConfig 0x00000000 bmControls 0x0000 iChannelNames 0 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 12 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 2 wTerminalType 0x0302 Headphones bAssocTerminal 0 bSourceID 1 bCSourceID 6 bmControls 0x0000 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 17 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 3 wTerminalType 0x0201 Microphone bAssocTerminal 0 bCSourceID 6 bNrChannels 6 bmChannelConfig 0x00000000 bmControls 0x0000 iChannelNames 0 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 12 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL) bTerminalID 4 wTerminalType 0x0101 USB Streaming bAssocTerminal 0 bSourceID 5 bCSourceID 6 bmControls 0x0000 iTerminal 0 AudioControl Interface Descriptor: bLength 34 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT) bUnitID 5 bSourceID 3 bmaControls( 0) 0x00000003 Mute Control (read/write) bmaControls( 1) 0x0000000c Volume Control (read/write) bmaControls( 2) 0x0000000c Volume Control (read/write) bmaControls( 3) 0x0000000c Volume Control (read/write) bmaControls( 4) 0x0000000c Volume Control (read/write) bmaControls( 5) 0x0000000c Volume Control (read/write) bmaControls( 6) 0x0000000c Volume Control (read/write) iFeature 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 32 iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 32 iInterface 0 AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 16 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (AS_GENERAL) bTerminalLink 1 bmControls 0x00 bFormatType 1 bmFormats 0x00000001 PCM bNrChannels 2 bmChannelConfig 0x00000000 iChannelNames 0 AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 6 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (FORMAT_TYPE) bFormatType 1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I) bSubslotSize 3 bBitResolution 24 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes 13 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type Synchronous Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 1 AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 8 bDescriptorType 37 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (EP_GENERAL) bmAttributes 0x00 bmControls 0x00 bLockDelayUnits 0 Undefined wLockDelay 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 0 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 32 iInterface 0 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 2 bAlternateSetting 1 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 1 Audio bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming bInterfaceProtocol 32 iInterface 0 AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 16 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (AS_GENERAL) bTerminalLink 4 bmControls 0x00 bFormatType 1 bmFormats 0x00000001 PCM bNrChannels 6 bmChannelConfig 0x00000000 iChannelNames 0 AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor: bLength 6 bDescriptorType 36 bDescriptorSubtype 2 (FORMAT_TYPE) bFormatType 1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I) bSubslotSize 3 bBitResolution 24 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 13 Transfer Type Isochronous Synch Type Synchronous Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0100 1x 256 bytes bInterval 1 AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 8 bDescriptorType 37 bDescriptorSubtype 1 (EP_GENERAL) bmAttributes 0x00 bmControls 0x00 bLockDelayUnits 0 Undefined wLockDelay 0 -- Rick Green ...I live in the hope that one day the fine line of distinction between genius and insanity will be decided in my favor. From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Oct 18 08:38:22 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:38:22 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Zoom H6 In-Reply-To: References: <5260D478.60408@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <5260F37E.3030500@ladisch.de> Rick Green wrote: > On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Clemens Ladisch wrote: >> Rick Green wrote: >>> I recently purchased a Zoom H6, and today tried it out for the first >>> time on Linux. [...] >>> in multitrack mode, Jack won't start, complaining that it can't >>> acquire hw:H6 or hw:1 or hw:(1,0), I tried them all. >> >> Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device in multitrack mode. > > Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1686:01c5 ZOOM Corporation > ... > bInterfaceClass 1 Audio > bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device > bInterfaceProtocol 32 Which kernel are you using? Regards, Clemens From rtg at aapsc.com Fri Oct 18 13:05:06 2013 From: rtg at aapsc.com (Rick Green) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [LAU] Zoom H6 In-Reply-To: <5260F37E.3030500@ladisch.de> References: <5260D478.60408@ladisch.de> <5260F37E.3030500@ladisch.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Rick Green wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Clemens Ladisch wrote: >>> >>> Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device in multitrack mode. >> >> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1686:01c5 ZOOM Corporation >> ... >> bInterfaceClass 1 Audio >> bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device >> bInterfaceProtocol 32 > > Which kernel are you using? > rtg at Studio2:~$ uname -a Linux Studio2 3.11.0-11-lowlatency #4-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 2 22:48:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- Rick Green ...I live in the hope that one day the fine line of distinction between genius and insanity will be decided in my favor. From clemens at ladisch.de Fri Oct 18 13:45:30 2013 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:45:30 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Zoom H6 In-Reply-To: References: <5260D478.60408@ladisch.de> <5260F37E.3030500@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <52613B7A.8000903@ladisch.de> Rick Green wrote: >> Rick Green wrote: >>> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1686:01c5 ZOOM Corporation >>> ... >>> bInterfaceClass 1 Audio >>> bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device >>> bInterfaceProtocol 32 > > Linux Studio2 3.11.0-11-lowlatency #4-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 2 22:48:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux This kernel should work with the device. What exactly does Jack say? Does speaker-test work? Regards, Clemens From rtg at aapsc.com Fri Oct 18 14:45:34 2013 From: rtg at aapsc.com (Rick Green) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [LAU] Zoom H6 In-Reply-To: <52613B7A.8000903@ladisch.de> References: <5260D478.60408@ladisch.de> <5260F37E.3030500@ladisch.de> <52613B7A.8000903@ladisch.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Rick Green wrote: >>> Rick Green wrote: >>>> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1686:01c5 ZOOM Corporation >>>> ... >>>> bInterfaceClass 1 Audio >>>> bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device >>>> bInterfaceProtocol 32 >> >> Linux Studio2 3.11.0-11-lowlatency #4-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 2 22:48:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > This kernel should work with the device. > > What exactly does Jack say? Does speaker-test work? > Well, last night it complained that it 'couldn't open device', but when I try it this morning, using the same settings as last night, jack started right up, and all six inputs and two outputs seem to be working. -- Rick Green ...I live in the hope that one day the fine line of distinction between genius and insanity will be decided in my favor. From nolaiz at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 20:04:23 2013 From: nolaiz at gmail.com (Natanael Olaiz) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:04:23 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> El 10/18/2013 08:27 AM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: > Natanael Olaiz wrote: >> El 10/15/2013 01:15 PM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >>> Try recompiling the kernel with the following entry in >>> sound/usb/quirks-table.h: >>> [...] >> I confirm that the patch works for MIDI on a kernel 3.10.7 (gentoo)!! >> Thanks a lot!! >> >> On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The >> device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. > What happens? > I think it had some trouble with the sample rate or some of the other defined arguments, but I still didn't had many time to try different combinations... Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. There is no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it from the device itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd the device changed the sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz from the jackd command, and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like waiting for the device. ... But after my previous mail I tried again with alsa_in on a running 48kHz jackd server (Focusrite Saffire), and it worked!!!! I was able to use all the 8 input channels!!! (my impression was an incredibly -for the price...- clean sound!) I tried then adding an alsa_out (at the same time than alsa_in), but it said the device was already in use (I have a H2n and as far I can remember I can execute both together...) Soon I'll do more controlled tests and I'll update you. But it look so good!! :-) Thanks a lot!!! Natanael. > Regards, > Clemens > From nolaiz at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 20:26:27 2013 From: nolaiz at gmail.com (Natanael Olaiz) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:26:27 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52619973.7040605@gmail.com> Clemens, do you think it would be useful to do some sort of sniffing on the USB using an official driver inside a Virtual Machine for getting the controls? If you think so tell me and I'll give a try. [1] Best regards, Natanael. [1] A great tutorial on that (thanks Robin!): http://gareus.org/wiki/digi003 El 10/18/2013 10:04 PM, Natanael Olaiz escribi?: > El 10/18/2013 08:27 AM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >> Natanael Olaiz wrote: >>> El 10/15/2013 01:15 PM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >>>> Try recompiling the kernel with the following entry in >>>> sound/usb/quirks-table.h: >>>> [...] >>> I confirm that the patch works for MIDI on a kernel 3.10.7 (gentoo)!! >>> Thanks a lot!! >>> >>> On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The >>> device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. >> What happens? >> > I think it had some trouble with the sample rate or some of the other > defined arguments, but I still didn't had many time to try different > combinations... > > Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. There is > no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it from the device > itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd the device changed the > sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz from the jackd command, > and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like > waiting for the device. > > ... > > But after my previous mail I tried again with alsa_in on a running 48kHz > jackd server (Focusrite Saffire), and it worked!!!! I was able to use > all the 8 input channels!!! (my impression was an incredibly -for the > price...- clean sound!) > > I tried then adding an alsa_out (at the same time than alsa_in), but it > said the device was already in use (I have a H2n and as far I can > remember I can execute both together...) > > > Soon I'll do more controlled tests and I'll update you. But it look so > good!! :-) > > Thanks a lot!!! > > Natanael. >> Regards, >> Clemens >> From jamesmstone at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 21:36:17 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:36:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch Message-ID: Hi everyone, I realise this is not strictly linux audio related, but I guessed that the most likely people to be able to answer this would be on this list. I am wanting to get some audio and video recorded - sample accurately - so there is minimal delay between audio and video, and no drift. Can any format do this? Do you have recommendations about how to record a file which will play back with perfect audio and video sync on all players (file size is not an issue)? Secondly, I am wanting to intentionally shift the audio timing so it may be 5ms/10ms/50ms/100ms or more out of time with the video. Do you have any suggestions on software which will do this? Lastly, do any of you know any research about the limits of human perception with these kinds of things? Best wishes James From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Oct 18 21:44:54 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:44:54 -0400 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:36 PM, James Stone wrote: > > Secondly, I am wanting to intentionally shift the audio timing so it > may be 5ms/10ms/50ms/100ms or more out of time with the video. Do you > have any suggestions on software which will do this? > you could do this very easily in ardour3 (with xjadeo as the video display screen, which comes builtin to the bundles from ardour.org) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at linuxaudio.org Fri Oct 18 21:58:34 2013 From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:58:34 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131018215834.GD32038@linuxaudio.org> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:36:17PM +0100, James Stone wrote: > Secondly, I am wanting to intentionally shift the audio timing so it > may be 5ms/10ms/50ms/100ms or more out of time with the video. Do you > have any suggestions on software which will do this? You can import the video in Ardour3, this will give you a video timeline in Ardour's editor (i.e. a 'track' consisting of images) as well as synced video playback in a separate window. Within A3 you can do with the audio whatever you want, and when done you can export the whole to a new video file. I used this a few weeks ago to edit and mix the audio for a 1.5 hour documentary, and it worked rather well. You may need some iterations when setting things up (getting to know the quirks of the import and export dialogs) but otherwise it works well. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From rtg at aapsc.com Fri Oct 18 21:58:27 2013 From: rtg at aapsc.com (Rick Green) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, James Stone wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I realise this is not strictly linux audio related, but I guessed that > the most likely people to be able to answer this would be on this > list. > > I am wanting to get some audio and video recorded - sample accurately > - so there is minimal delay between audio and video, and no drift. Can > any format do this? Do you have recommendations about how to record a > file which will play back with perfect audio and video sync on all > players (file size is not an issue)? I have never done this, so this is the results of my research, not experience: If you have the bucks, you can get hardware clock generators which produce both wordclock (48k seems to be standard for DVDs) and SMTPE timecode for the video, derived from the same oscillator. There is also a technique to take the SMTPE timecode, which is a digital datastream, encode it with a modem into audio tones, and record it to a separate track on your audio recorder, in parallel with your other audio tracks. In the editing suite, this smpte track is demodulated and used to synchronize the video with the audio. ...All this requires hardware that I can't afford. I record the video and audio separately, then sync them manually when editing. I've been lucky, and the drift hasn't been noticable over the max 2-3min scenes I've worked with. -- Rick Green ...I live in the hope that one day the fine line of distinction between genius and insanity will be decided in my favor. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Oct 18 22:10:41 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:10:41 +0200 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382134241.678.90.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 22:36 +0100, James Stone wrote: > Lastly, do any of you know any research about the limits of human > perception with these kinds of things? I don't know research about it, but there are recommendations for video and film. "The accuracy of A/V synchronisation at each stage should lie within the range of Audio 5 ms early (soundbefore picture) to 15 ms late (sound after picture). Limits of the relative timing of the sound component of a television programme relative to the corresponding picture component Sound before picture Sound after picture ? 40 ms ? 60 ms" - http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/r/r037.pdf "For television applications, audio should lead video by no more than 15 milliseconds and audio should lag video by no more than 45 milliseconds.For film, acceptable lip sync is considered to be no more than 22 milliseconds in either direction." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_to_video_synchronization#Recommendations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_flap#Recommendations Related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapperboard From xiphmont at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 22:25:41 2013 From: xiphmont at gmail.com (Monty Montgomery) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:25:41 -0400 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:36 PM, James Stone wrote: > I am wanting to get some audio and video recorded - sample accurately > - so there is minimal delay between audio and video, and no drift. Any camera will give you this if you use the audio input on the camera. Or do you mean you need to record to some other device and sync later? If the latter, you're in for a world of pain. The clocks will drift unless you're using a shared clock, and that's a whole different class of professional equipment.... > Can > any format do this? All of them. The trouble people usually have is software that handles the sync incorrectly (or doesn't really try to handle it at all. If it's based on ffmpeg.... yeah 'all bets are off'). > Do you have recommendations about how to record a > file which will play back with perfect audio and video sync on all > players (file size is not an issue)? Just about any camera made. > Secondly, I am wanting to intentionally shift the audio timing so it > may be 5ms/10ms/50ms/100ms or more out of time with the video. Do you > have any suggestions on software which will do this? Any NLE will do this. I use Cinelerra, but I'd urge you not to :-) > Lastly, do any of you know any research about the limits of human > perception with these kinds of things? You'll not hit the limits of human perception in video-- even 10 bit isn't quite there, and you ca always get closer to see more resolution. Audio perception maxes out at around 48k/16 bit, but record to 24 bit if possible (for production headroom). However, anything but very high end professional equipment won't approach these limits in reality no matter how many megapickles they offer, and the formats being used for recording are low-rate/lossy. That said, you could do worse than a D7000 or a 5D... depends on what you're doing. DSLRs make great video cameras, but the ergonomics are still better suited to still photography. Something old/cheap like an HV40 is easier to use, but the output quality is not current generation. Monty From jamesmstone at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 22:30:45 2013 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:30:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Monty Montgomery wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:36 PM, James Stone wrote: > >> I am wanting to get some audio and video recorded - sample accurately >> - so there is minimal delay between audio and video, and no drift. > > Any camera will give you this if you use the audio input on the > camera. Or do you mean you need to record to some other device and > sync later? If the latter, you're in for a world of pain. The clocks > will drift unless you're using a shared clock, and that's a whole > different class of professional equipment.... > OK - that's encouraging at least! >> Can >> any format do this? > > All of them. The trouble people usually have is software that handles > the sync incorrectly (or doesn't really try to handle it at all. If > it's based on ffmpeg.... yeah 'all bets are off'). > >> Do you have recommendations about how to record a >> file which will play back with perfect audio and video sync on all >> players (file size is not an issue)? > > Just about any camera made. > >> Secondly, I am wanting to intentionally shift the audio timing so it >> may be 5ms/10ms/50ms/100ms or more out of time with the video. Do you >> have any suggestions on software which will do this? > > Any NLE will do this. I use Cinelerra, but I'd urge you not to :-) > >> Lastly, do any of you know any research about the limits of human >> perception with these kinds of things? > > You'll not hit the limits of human perception in video-- even 10 bit > isn't quite there, and you ca always get closer to see more > resolution. I meant in terms of timing shift of audio vs video? James From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Oct 18 22:42:40 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:42:40 +0200 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382136160.678.103.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 18:25 -0400, Monty Montgomery wrote: > You'll not hit the limits of human perception in video-- even 10 bit > isn't quite there, and you ca always get closer to see more > resolution. Have a black screen. Then have a white screen for 1 second, before it turns black again. Provide an 1 KHz sine wave for 1 second. Sync the white screen with the sine wave. It's anyway hard to do a valid test. How far away is the screen? How far away are the speakers? DVB-T at least by the gear I own, is a PITA regarding to sync, but I can't say how many ms it is out of sync, OTOH Thor's flashes and thunders are terribly out of sync. Crappy gear made by humans is much better, closer to acceptable sync, than what the gods are able to do ;). From len at ovenwerks.net Fri Oct 18 22:38:26 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, James Stone wrote: > I am wanting to get some audio and video recorded - sample accurately > - so there is minimal delay between audio and video, and no drift. Can > any format do this? Do you have recommendations about how to record a > file which will play back with perfect audio and video sync on all > players (file size is not an issue)? The same player might have non-sync video/audio depending on the audio output path. One would expect the player to compensate for the delays cause by decoding, but then the audio may go straight to the alsa device or through pulse which adds latency or through jack (where you can set the latency so one time might have a different delay than another) or through gs first then through who knows what. Some of the sound servers may have variable latency depending on cpu load too. That is not even touching the video chain (outside of my knowledge), but you get the idea. On any reasonably fast computer one can set up an audio/video chain that will work in sync, but change any one part of that chain and sync may be no more. So if you are looking from a distribution POV, you have no control of what the audience will play your video on. If you are using it in an institution, then all the machines may be the same as well as the OS/SW and so there is a better chance. Keeping the decoding work as low as possible and using sample rates and frame rates that match the sound serve/audio IF and work as close to the GPU setup as possible reduces things like resampling/resizing and reduces cpu load and brings different speed HW closer to matching. For example, if your audio is using opus as an codec, then 48k sample rate in the sound server/audio IF will result in no resample to match the codec ouput. But if the audio card is set to 44.1k then the audio must be resampled. However, many of the videos available on the Inet have audio at 44.1k and so running the audio IF at 48k would mean a resample step for them. So it would seem it would be impossible to make sure that audio and video are always in sync on every machine. The recording and encoding sw can shift the audio with respect to the video. Then check it out on the machine/OS that most of your target audience uses. I don't know how the windows audio server works, however, the intel HDA audio interface assumes 48k (or 96k or 192k... though even at these speeds it seems the bus runs at 48k with just more parallel data). So I would guess the default windows setup would be 48k. I don't really know though. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Oct 18 22:58:44 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:58:44 +0200 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 15:38 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > So if you are looking from a distribution POV, you have no control of > what the audience will play your video on. Assumed you would have the perfect player, the picture is absolutely identical to the original, the sound is completely equal to it's source, on every consumers gear, then light still is faster than sound. Do you sync for the smart phone or for the drive-in theater? Unfortunately in German: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Rechner-schallweg.htm Do we sync for the drive-in theater for England or for Hawaii? From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Oct 18 23:03:55 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:03:55 +0200 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> References: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1382137435.678.112.camel@archlinux> On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 00:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 15:38 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > > So if you are looking from a distribution POV, you have no control of > > what the audience will play your video on. > > Assumed you would have the perfect player, the picture is absolutely > identical to the original, the sound is completely equal to it's source, > on every consumers gear, Even latencies by the hardware and software are always equal in this ideal world, for all players. > then light still is faster than sound. Do you > sync for the smart phone or for the drive-in theater? > > Unfortunately in German: > > http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Rechner-schallweg.htm > > Do we sync for the drive-in theater for England or for Hawaii? From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Oct 18 23:13:31 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:13:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: <1382137435.678.112.camel@archlinux> References: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> <1382137435.678.112.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1382138011.678.114.camel@archlinux> On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 01:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 00:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 15:38 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > > > So if you are looking from a distribution POV, you have no control of > > > what the audience will play your video on. > > > > Assumed you would have the perfect player, the picture is absolutely > > identical to the original, the sound is completely equal to it's source, > > on every consumers gear, > > Even latencies by the hardware and software are always equal in this > ideal world, for all players. > > > then light still is faster than sound. Do you > > sync for the smart phone or for the drive-in theater? > > > > Unfortunately in German: > > > > http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Rechner-schallweg.htm > > > > Do we sync for the drive-in theater for England or for Hawaii? Did I mention that I never visited a drive-in theater? I guess the speakers are close to the car or sound is received by the cars radio, but I was thinking about speakers 60 or 90 meters away :D. From len at ovenwerks.net Fri Oct 18 23:23:31 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> References: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Oct 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 15:38 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: >> So if you are looking from a distribution POV, you have no control of >> what the audience will play your video on. > > Assumed you would have the perfect player, the picture is absolutely > identical to the original, the sound is completely equal to it's source, > on every consumers gear, then light still is faster than sound. Do you > sync for the smart phone or for the drive-in theater? Yes of course. The brain is used to dealing with audio lag at varying distances. I was playing around with VLC which has a sync control. It seems I could set it to be off a bit but my brain seems to correct it with in some seconds... Or maybe every time I change the sync the audio and video restart from a known point of sync and then drift... As you said before, the brain notices leading sound much sooner than lagging sound. That would be the way it is in nature. The drive-in theaters I have seen have in-car sound (often using the car's radio), so the delay is minimal. I wonder if indoor theater operators set the audio ahead just a bit so it hits the second or third row in sync. It would probably mess with the surround sound too much. I will say I have not noticed sync problems in the theater even though we always sit at the back as my son doesn't see well above horizontal. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Fri Oct 18 23:36:20 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:36:20 +0200 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1382139380.678.118.camel@archlinux> On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 16:23 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > On Sat, 19 Oct 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-10-18 at 15:38 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > >> So if you are looking from a distribution POV, you have no control of > >> what the audience will play your video on. > > > > Assumed you would have the perfect player, the picture is absolutely > > identical to the original, the sound is completely equal to it's source, > > on every consumers gear, then light still is faster than sound. Do you > > sync for the smart phone or for the drive-in theater? > > Yes of course. The brain is used to dealing with audio lag at varying > distances. I was playing around with VLC which has a sync control. It > seems I could set it to be off a bit but my brain seems to correct it with > in some seconds... Or maybe every time I change the sync the audio and > video restart from a known point of sync and then drift... > > As you said before, the brain notices leading sound much sooner than > lagging sound. That would be the way it is in nature. The drive-in > theaters I have seen have in-car sound (often using the car's radio), so > the delay is minimal. I wonder if indoor theater operators set the audio > ahead just a bit so it hits the second or third row in sync. It would > probably mess with the surround sound too much. I will say I have not > noticed sync problems in the theater even though we always sit at the back > as my son doesn't see well above horizontal. For flash and thunder the brain can't compensate it. Sometimes it happens that I watch TV for 30 minutes without noticing bad sync, if I randomly notice the delay, I often can't continue watching. It's similar to concave vs convex for a drawing. Sometimes it seems to be convex, sometimes concave and sometimes it's switching. From sakrecoer at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 11:32:31 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:32:31 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52626DCF.3020003@gmail.com> WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!! This is GREAT NEWS!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3 Thank you Clement and Natanael!!! I haven't had time to fiddle with kernel recompiling yet, but as soon as i get my hands arround the process, i will try to compile all the information you gather to make some nice how-to for future users. *Set On 2013-10-18 22:04, Natanael Olaiz wrote: > El 10/18/2013 08:27 AM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >> Natanael Olaiz wrote: >>> El 10/15/2013 01:15 PM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >>>> Try recompiling the kernel with the following entry in >>>> sound/usb/quirks-table.h: >>>> [...] >>> I confirm that the patch works for MIDI on a kernel 3.10.7 (gentoo)!! >>> Thanks a lot!! >>> >>> On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The >>> device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. >> What happens? >> > > I think it had some trouble with the sample rate or some of the other > defined arguments, but I still didn't had many time to try different > combinations... > > Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. There is > no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it from the device > itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd the device changed the > sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz from the jackd command, > and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like > waiting for the device. > > ... > > But after my previous mail I tried again with alsa_in on a running 48kHz > jackd server (Focusrite Saffire), and it worked!!!! I was able to use > all the 8 input channels!!! (my impression was an incredibly -for the > price...- clean sound!) > > I tried then adding an alsa_out (at the same time than alsa_in), but it > said the device was already in use (I have a H2n and as far I can > remember I can execute both together...) > > > Soon I'll do more controlled tests and I'll update you. But it look so > good!! :-) > > Thanks a lot!!! > > Natanael. >> Regards, >> Clemens >> > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From kaspar.bumke at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 14:59:43 2013 From: kaspar.bumke at gmail.com (Kaspar Bumke) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:59:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? In-Reply-To: <20131016204943.89904ztsi03vvisn@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> <525EE97E.5070909@autostatic.com> <20131016204943.89904ztsi03vvisn@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: I am not 100% on how suitable this would be for you from what you describe but I use and help maintain SooperLooper which is a live-looper. I use it to record and play drums and percussion loops from a Roland Handsonic as well as various other sound sources for the less percussive stuff. Most recently I have been using a Novation Launchpad to control SL but you can set up bindings for any MIDI device or even use OSC. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ On 16 October 2013 21:49, Barney Holmes wrote: > Quoting Jeremy Jongepier : > > On 10/16/2013 04:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks >>> by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using >>> locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid >>> between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and >>> Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes >>> away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set >>> ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing >>> else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like >>> Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen >>> controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do >>> anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the >>> immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler >>> set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate >>> accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 >>> implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to >>> move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* >>> richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? >>> Screen shots ? >>> >>> Peace >>> >>> djbarney >>> >>> >> Hi Barney, >> >> You need to check out Superdirt?, I think it's quite close to what >> you're aiming at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=5YAFu7hgbE0 >> And yes, that's Hydrogen running on the notebook. >> >> Best, >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> >> > That's a great example ! They do a very good job of striking the balance > between sequenced percussion and live instruments which is quite a > difficult balance to strike. I would have put more composition of the > percussion in but that's my stylee not Superdirt stylee. If you listen to > some the original german trance/techno on labels like Harthouse they use a > lot of subtle percussion composition, build ups, break downs and so forth. > I proved to myself in the 1990's that it was possible to do this live using > the software Rebirth. I never got back to implementing this until recently > (long story). > > > djbarney > > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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QTractor and Ardour should work. > > I created a ticket for better initialization > https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/76 > There is now sound by default https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/76 A saw wave through a fixed low pass filter. Timo > > Br, > Timo > >> >> Cheers, >> Burkhard >> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Paul Davis >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Timo Westk?mper < >> timo.westkamper at gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi. >> >> >> >> I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: >> >> https://github.com/timowest/rogue >> >> >> >> rogue is a multi-mode soft synth with >> >> >> >> * 4 oscillators: VA, FM, Supersaw/square with modulation: PM, RM etc >> >> * 2 filters: BiQuad, Moog style, SVF and Comb >> >> * 4 envs and 4 lfos >> >> * effects: chorus, phaser, delay, reverb >> >> ... >> >> >> >> There are also some basic presets bundled. >> > >> > >> > >> > make >> > ttl2c rogue.ttl src/rogue.gen >> > g++ -fPIC -DPIC -std=c++11 -Ofast -ffast-math -g -shared dsp/*.cpp >> > src/*.cpp fx/*.cc `pkg-config --cflags --libs lvtk-plugin-1` `pkg-config >> > --cflags --libs samplerate` -Idsp -Isrc -Ifx -Ifx/dsp -o rogue.so >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > cc1plus: error: invalid option argument ?-Ofast? >> > cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" >> > make: *** [rogue.so] Error 1 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Linux-audio-user mailing list >> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbannister at slingshot.co.nz Sun Oct 20 11:45:26 2013 From: cbannister at slingshot.co.nz (Chris Bannister) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 00:45:26 +1300 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131020114526.GH23383@tal> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:46:08PM +0300, Timo Westk?mper wrote: > Hi. > > I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: You've picked a rather unfortunate name: http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Main_Page -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X From timo.westkamper at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 11:52:43 2013 From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:52:43 +0300 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: <20131020114526.GH23383@tal> References: <20131020114526.GH23383@tal> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:46:08PM +0300, Timo Westk?mper wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: > > You've picked a rather unfortunate name: > http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Main_Page > Naming is hard. You can see it also as a reference to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_%28comics%29 Timo > -- > "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people > who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the > oppressing." --- Malcolm X > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Oct 20 12:22:57 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:22:57 +0200 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: <20131020114526.GH23383@tal> Message-ID: <1382271777.705.92.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 14:52 +0300, Timo Westk?mper wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Chris Bannister > wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:46:08PM +0300, Timo Westk?mper > wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: > > > You've picked a rather unfortunate name: > http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Main_Page > > > Naming is hard. You can see it also as a reference to this > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_%28comics%29 I was thinking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_Rogue it was the first synth we had in a teeny band. Dirk Brauner, owner of Brauner microphones owned the Realistic version, when we were around 15 or 16 years old, a long time before we became professional audio engineers or even were able to make good music. It's a mono synth with pseudo-polyphony. :D From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Sun Oct 20 12:26:56 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:26:56 +0200 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: <1382271777.705.92.camel@archlinux> References: <20131020114526.GH23383@tal> <1382271777.705.92.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1382272016.705.93.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 14:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 14:52 +0300, Timo Westk?mper wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Chris Bannister > > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:46:08PM +0300, Timo Westk?mper > > wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > I'd again like to invite interested users to try out rogue: > > > > > > You've picked a rather unfortunate name: > > http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Main_Page > > > > > > Naming is hard. You can see it also as a reference to this > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_%28comics%29 > > I was thinking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_Rogue it was the > first synth we had in a teeny band. Dirk Brauner, owner of Brauner > microphones owned the Realistic version, when we were around 15 or 16 > years old, a long time before we became professional audio engineers or > even were able to make good music. It's a mono synth with > pseudo-polyphony. > > :D I should have read the Wiki first ;), I'm mistaken, the Tandy thingy was this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_Concertmate_MG-1 From temps.jo at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 13:22:21 2013 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (pierre jocelyn andre) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:22:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] lm3jo Message-ID: announcement I posted this weekend, page synthesizes sounds using three factors in the Qt version. For download here: http://www.letime.net/vocale/3a.tar.gz reminder lm3jo : Project synthesizer sounds lm3jo The lm3jo synthesizer can play and create new sounds. It is a free download for use with Linux. Lm3jo can be used as well by using the QWERTY keyboard, the mouse , or plain text files . Lm3jo also allows you to mix up to 16 audio tracks. Lm3jo was written using three basic principles innovative , one in mathematics, one acoustic and one in the form of association of ideas, while using a lightweight audio format I created it a few years ago . Sound database contains thousands of files , built using spreadsheets. The synthesizer uses the audio abadie.jo in its form of 2 bytes per wavefront format. But useful three basic factors that can reconstruct all the sounds in its creation part . The synthesizer is primarily intended for children to play with the keyboard playing several instruments . It is also intended for musicians who are looking for new sounds. And for the explorers to observe what I call the hammer transform his guitar piano sound by increasing the length of the edges of the hammer. I used to find my names : The hammer , a large amplitude that decreases progressively increasing the duration of the wavefront As an example : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:De_la_caisse_au_piano.ogg Marriage, different forms of association amplitude The unicorn is a form of low amplitude crete example that allows me to surf the consonants on vowels without the mixer The dressings, it is the combination of the previous three definitions associated with forms of variation of times . The presentation page lm3jo here: http://www.linuxmao.org/Synth%C3%A9tiseur+musical+et+vocal+au+format+audio+abadie.jo The download link lm3jo here: http://www.letime.net/vocale/3a.tar.gz lm3jo is writing on a proprietary audio format that limits its use Linux . This research project designers libraries lm3jo , I do currently a new graphic code in qt Other related projects: Carteaudiolinux Carteaudiolinux is a project that started there almost two years. It is very suitable for high definition audio audio audio format abadie.jo card, this project is in its third prototype To join or financially support this project Contact the President or Treasurer http://montpel-libre.fr/ voice synthesizer RaspberryPi for hospitals This project uses audio formats abadie.jo To join or financially support this project Contact the President or Treasurer http://montpel-libre.fr/ Neural helmet carteaudiolinux A tool that lets you create music by three factors driving thought. The three factors are those audio format abadie.jo Who I am: Dev Montpel-libre, I also created the engine expert system research, dedicated bootable USB key , Gkri an application for teaching To contact me: temps.jo @ gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simonzwise at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 05:59:18 2013 From: simonzwise at gmail.com (Simon Wise) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:59:18 +0800 Subject: [LAU] OT - Audio and Video Synch In-Reply-To: References: <1382137124.678.110.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <5264C2B6.6060205@gmail.com> On 19/10/13 07:23, Len Ovens wrote: > Yes of course. The brain is used to dealing with audio lag at varying distances. > I was playing around with VLC which has a sync control. It seems I could set it > to be off a bit but my brain seems to correct it with in some seconds... Or > maybe every time I change the sync the audio and video restart from a known > point of sync and then drift... a neat thing (mentioned before on this list I think) ... try shifting your gaze to an analogue clock with a second hand that jumps every second and as you do so compare the perceived time before the first tick with the time between the other ticks. Generally the time to the first move seems longer than the others. An explanation for this is that our brains maintain a certain latency between receiving sensations and building a model of the world from the combination of these (presumably for the same reason a computer does, to give time for all the sensations to be received and processed) and that when we shift gaze quickly the model we build is extrapolated back through this latency, including assuming the stationary second hand was stationary through this whole buffering time. I guess it is related to our reaction time, and also related to the importance of the parts of the nervous system that process and respond directly, not going back to the brain at all. On a more speculative level ... I've always noticed that if I burn my hand on a soldering iron I smell the burn before I feel the pain, and I think I actually pull my hand away before being aware of either. Maybe smell is not synced in the same way as vision, touch and sound are?? As far as video and audio sync go ... with a live actor on stage, and a camera on their face with a big screen behind them, in a space where the actor is speaking and maybe 3 metres from the front row, I found that a video system without genlock but using several PCI analogue camera inputs mixed together with openGL gave me between 1/2 and 1 1/2 frames delay, the video lagging behind the live voice and that was just acceptable in context, but quite noticeable, while most other video input systems where impossible (especially firewire!). Simon From robin at gareus.org Mon Oct 21 19:31:16 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:31:16 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 Message-ID: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I just realized that I have never properly announced midifilter.lv2, so here it goes: midifilter.lv2 are a collection of LV2 plugins to filter MIDI events released in terms of the GPLv2. The source-code can be found at https://github.com/x42/midifilter.lv2 Thanks for Jarom?r Mike? they are available in debian (and derived distributions) in the 'x42-plugins' package. Kudos to Thomas Brand who started documenting them at http://gareus.org/oss/lv2/midifilter - much of the documentation has meanwhile been integrated into the plugins themselves and is displayed by LV2-hosts who support built-in doc. So far it features 23 filters: * Channel Filter -- discard messages per Channel * Channel Map -- map any MIDI-channel to another MIDI-channel * Enforce Scale -- force midi notes on given musical scale * Eventblocker -- notch style message filter. * Keyrange -- discard notes-on/off events outside an give range * Keysplit -- change midi-channel number depending on note (and optionally transpose) * Mapscale -- flexible 12-tone map * Chord -- harmonizer - create chords from a single note in a given musical scale * Delay -- delay MIDI events with optional radomization * Dup -- unisono - duplicate MIDI events from one channel to another * Strum -- arpeggio effect intended to simulate strumming a stringed instrument (e.g. guitar) * Transpose -- chromatic transpose MIDI notes * Legato -- Hold a note until the next note arrives * NoSensing -- strip MIDI Active-Sensing events * NoDup -- MIDI duplicate blocker. Filter out overlapping note on/off and duplicate messages. * NoteToggle -- toggle notes: play a note to turn it on, play it again to turn it off. * nTabDelay -- repeat notes N times (incl tempo-ramps) * Passthru -- no operation (example plugin) * Quantize -- live midi event quantization * Velocity Randomizer -- randomly change velocity of note-on events * Sostenuto -- delay note-off messages, emulate a piano sostenuto pedal * Velocity Range -- filter MIDI note events according to velocity. * Velocity Scale -- modify note velocity by constant factor and offset As usual, any feedback is welcome. enjoy, robin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSZYEAAAoJEKCQvOAs9X8ETc0P/joBT+UiwfA/JKHiAdI+jH6W Rj0u7Hmn3lOAuHs5Tz8BxSzd1goXRCg6PKkImrP+NTAEUUnquxtITq8mPM1mbQ8j p1yxFJr5iThuwFz2Taa34GsbIGi9GAGKyeS7qdaRncfr1lERu1Jl5i8qrWflNccC +xirGbPvX02uOYbajqgBDT1r4UG5CQEuapcXaBiE37CrFZWIVNsgI0RFT+I9jiUG xWGmJL02MHOZvfJgvgiKGFVX3511xMZWm8pyPsnzN10Pwoa291D3U84PICdY/KgC d323h2kAOi40x+731O4UBqiS6+qS0TlGrR55xlMujemMAEkBSjn6gI6GLjabMpq3 /tIZgpAYs1pzFLxCK8E+WXm+nTtJDy6RPVB0+7NMb12tgZpr8bGwEJ6fDKtJDnRY o/9s5vAdCkkK5+o1zsD+TN7FB+anxaklcccV5P9fFADZYRwAoonLXMEhL3Y8WIo9 VQ5RccDYfc31Q4ksbqXPBs0i7A5P7cvoNbYmpvx1BrS0ueU2Nq4U/XPoW+zcvegA f+MK35JgCk4EZMMeeFhPbhnEKcZTVCiUdz+65CRv7UsewAwkMBJMxyZmGMHF3gWp vz6m0qT6xV8NRtzTQ6nrjZrYrBDCRrNBnfVflZy/BJ5w4Z5YaElpy6KPYnJN62at 3nELPQTMtaBgYGaOteKY =+4IS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 21 19:51:35 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:51:35 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> Message-ID: <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 21:31 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > As usual, any feedback is welcome. Thank you, sounds useful, e.g. "play a note to turn it on, play it again to turn it off" for editing external synth far away from the master keyboard. Sometimes without such a tool it's like playing Twister, one foot on the sustain peal and a fingertip on a synth knob. Three full metal guitar floor boxes aren't heavy enough to hold down a Yamaha sustain pedal and with four or more, the tower of effects on the pedal falls over. I'm sure that I will at least use this MIDI filter :). Regards, Ralf From robin at gareus.org Mon Oct 21 20:11:32 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:11:32 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> On 10/21/2013 09:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 21:31 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: >> As usual, any feedback is welcome. > > Thank you, sounds useful, e.g. "play a note to turn it on, play it again > to turn it off" for editing external synth far away from the master > keyboard. Sometimes without such a tool it's like playing Twister, one > foot on the sustain peal and a fingertip on a synth knob. Three full > metal guitar floor boxes aren't heavy enough to hold down a Yamaha > sustain pedal and with four or more, the tower of effects on the pedal > falls over. LOL. > I'm sure that I will at least use this MIDI filter :). > You're very welcome. I tried to follow the DRY (Dont Repeat Yourself) principle. The real power of those filters lies in using them in a network and combine various individual plugins. e.g. limit note range -> enforce scale -> note to chord -> strum In your case you probably also want to limit the range of notes that will be held first. Linear chains can easily be modeled in Qtractor, Ardour, Carla or other LV2 hosts, but complex networks require ingen or custom jack-midi-port connections. Cheers! robin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 21 20:25:25 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:25:25 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> Message-ID: <52658DB5.6090009@woh.rr.com> On 10/21/2013 03:31 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > I just realized that I have never properly announced midifilter.lv2, > so here it goes: > > midifilter.lv2 are a collection of LV2 plugins to filter MIDI events > released in terms of the GPLv2. > > Wonderful, thanks for these useful plugins, Robin. Could I persuade you to add an Inversion plug ? Simple chromatic (non-harmonic) inversion of input is all I want. :) Best, dp From robin at gareus.org Mon Oct 21 20:34:56 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:34:56 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <52658DB5.6090009@woh.rr.com> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <52658DB5.6090009@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <52658FF0.7000201@gareus.org> On 10/21/2013 10:25 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Could I persuade you to add an Inversion plug ? Certainly. > Simple chromatic (non-harmonic) inversion of input is all I want. :) globally? midi-note 0 -> 127, 1-> 126, etc.. 63->64 ? or per octave? C -> B, D# -> Bb. The latter is already possible with http://gareus.org/oss/lv2/midifilter#mapkeyscale It might be a simple matter of adding some preset. best, robin From nolaiz at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 20:57:02 2013 From: nolaiz at gmail.com (Natanael Olaiz) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:57:02 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> El 10/18/2013 10:04 PM, Natanael Olaiz escribi?: > El 10/18/2013 08:27 AM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >> Natanael Olaiz wrote: >> >>> [...] >>> On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The >>> device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. >> >> What happens? >> > I think it had some trouble with the sample rate or some of the other > defined arguments, but I still didn't had many time to try different > combinations... > > Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. There is > no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it from the device > itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd the device changed the > sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz from the jackd command, > and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like > waiting for the device. > > ... > > But after my previous mail I tried again with alsa_in on a running 48kHz > jackd server (Focusrite Saffire), and it worked!!!! I was able to use > all the 8 input channels!!! (my impression was an incredibly -for the > price...- clean sound!) > > I tried then adding an alsa_out (at the same time than alsa_in), but it > said the device was already in use (I have a H2n and as far I can > remember I can execute both together...) I'm using the R16 as MIDI controller [R16 -> a2jmidid (alsa midi)-> (jack midi) ardour3] and audio capture [R16 -> alsa_in (alsa device with 8 input channels) -> ffado jack host]. It seems to work quite well when is running, but there is something not fine: - it takes a long time to the device to appears as an alsa device since it is detected from the kernel module - at least when it is not used (but I think it can occurs even when streaming) it seems to block ALSA for moments. Meanwhile alsa seems is unresponsive. Trying to start qjackctl (just open the frontend, not even starting jack) opened an unresponsive widget. As soon I disconnected the USB from the R16, the buttons and the control of the widget appeared. - I was with the above described chain (jack + R16 alsa_in) , and all the audio devices suddenly hanged. I saw in the R16 the sample rate at 96kHz (when it was -as JACK- at 48kHz) A dmesg shows this : > [ 268.877864] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 272.489903] firewire_core 0000:07:00.0: created device fw1: GUID > 00130e0100060dce, S400 > [ 273.879240] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > [ 278.903419] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 283.904662] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > [ 286.633916] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 286.638154] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > [ 286.671291] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > [ 286.675542] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > [ 286.679792] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > "" * 20 > [ 286.799821] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > [ 286.830497] usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, device number 3 > [ 304.980599] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card > #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. > [ 305.930727] usb 1-1.4: new high-speed USB device number 4 using > ehci-pci > [ 306.022714] usb 1-1.4: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk > endpoint 0x1 has invalid maxpacket 64 > [ 306.022717] usb 1-1.4: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk > endpoint 0x82 has invalid maxpacket 64 > [ 306.023508] usb 1-1.4: New USB device found, idVendor=1686, > idProduct=00dd > [ 306.023513] usb 1-1.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, > SerialNumber=3 > [ 306.023515] usb 1-1.4: Product: R16 > [ 306.023517] usb 1-1.4: Manufacturer: ZOOM Corporation > [ 306.023519] usb 1-1.4: SerialNumber: 0 > [ 311.025093] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 321.027467] 4:2:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84 > [ 331.090900] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 336.092152] 4:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > [ 341.115367] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 346.116557] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 356.273029] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 358.352531] 4:2:1: usb_set_interface failed (-110) > [ 820.268089] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > [ 825.269267] 4:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 Any hint? Thanks in advance, Natanael. > > Soon I'll do more controlled tests and I'll update you. But it look so > good!! :-) > > Thanks a lot!!! > > Natanael. >> Regards, >> Clemens >> From v4o42wl02 at sneakemail.com Mon Oct 21 22:40:41 2013 From: v4o42wl02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:40:41 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [Ardour-Users] alternate binding for MIDI Learn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6358-1382395242-411476@sneakemail.com> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 08:33:18AM -0500, Neil djdualcore-at-gmail.com wrote: > MIDI Learn works correctly on my laptop (Ardour 3.5, Linux Mint 15), but I > have not found a way to emulate middle-click on my laptop's trackpad*. If > I plug in an external mouse it works fine. > > Is it possible to change the binding for MIDI Learn? When I looked at the > list of key bindings I did not find it. Have you tried MouseKeys? There's a description of it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys According to that article, Switching to MouseKeys mode and back again is done by pressing NumLock with Shift-Alt, but I found that on my laptop, Shift-ScrollLock works. Since on my laptop, the Scroll Lock key is the NumLock key pressed with a key labelled "Fn", that means I need to press Fn-Shift-NumLock to enable/disable the mode. Also, since I don't have a separate number keypad, I have to use Fn with a section of the keyboard from the 7890 row at the top to M./ at the bottom (the , key is the only one in that range that doesn't have a numeric keypad function). This allows moving the mouse cursor as well as clicking all three buttons with single and double clicks and even click and drag. If you can't figure out what key combination turns this mode on and off, try "xmodmap -pke" to find it. Chuck From djdualcore at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 23:55:41 2013 From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:55:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [Ardour-Users] alternate binding for MIDI Learn In-Reply-To: <6358-1382395242-411476@sneakemail.com> References: <6358-1382395242-411476@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Chuck Martin wrote: > Have you tried MouseKeys? There's a description of it at: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys > This works. Thanks! I didn't know this kind of stuff was standardized. So, on my system, with mouse keys on, I hold Ctrl then tap * followed by 5 on the numeric keypad to trigger MIDI Learn. On Mint 15 mouse keys can be turned on and off in System Settings: Universal Access. The Shift+NumLock combinations didn't work for me. Neil -- DJ Dual Core's Blog http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/ Order without government; Peace without violence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 22 00:25:34 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 02:25:34 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <52658FF0.7000201@gareus.org> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <52658DB5.6090009@woh.rr.com> <52658FF0.7000201@gareus.org> Message-ID: <1382401534.11372.192.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 22:34 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: >midi-note 0 -> 127, 1-> 126, etc.. 63->64 ? CC 0 -> 64, 1-> 65, ... 63->127 64 -> 0, 65-> 1, ... 127->63 If CC data is used to control 7 bit signed tow's complement SysEx data from value -64 to -1 to 0 to +63 CC 0 to 63 to 64 to 127 SysEx 64 to 127 to 0 to 63 From v4o42wl02 at sneakemail.com Tue Oct 22 00:41:19 2013 From: v4o42wl02 at sneakemail.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:41:19 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [Ardour-Users] alternate binding for MIDI Learn In-Reply-To: References: <6358-1382395242-411476@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <8537-1382402480-412129@sneakemail.com> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 06:55:41PM -0500, Neil djdualcore-at-gmail.com |LAU/Default| wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Chuck Martin wrote: > > > Have you tried MouseKeys? There's a description of it at: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys > > > > > This works. Thanks! I didn't know this kind of stuff was standardized. > > So, on my system, with mouse keys on, I hold Ctrl then tap * followed by 5 > on the numeric keypad to trigger MIDI Learn. > > On Mint 15 mouse keys can be turned on and off in System Settings: > Universal Access. The Shift+NumLock combinations didn't work for me. I'm glad that helped, although I see I sent my previous reply to the wrong list. Sneakemail doesn't make it easy to reply to a list, so I have to change to address manually, and I wasn't paying attention to which list that was received from. I see you're on both lists, too, so you got it anyway, but I'm sending this to both lists so anyone not on both will still see the solution. Sorry for the mistake. Chuck From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 22 01:09:33 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:09:33 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <1382401534.11372.192.camel@archlinux> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <52658DB5.6090009@woh.rr.com> <52658FF0.7000201@gareus.org> <1382401534.11372.192.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1382404173.11372.204.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 02:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 22:34 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > >midi-note 0 -> 127, 1-> 126, etc.. 63->64 ? > CC 0 -> 64, 1-> 65, ... 63->127 > 64 -> 0, 65-> 1, ... 127->63 > If CC data is used to control 7 bit signed tow's complement SysEx data > from value -64 to -1 to 0 to +63 > CC 0 to 63 to 64 to 127 > SysEx 64 to 127 to 0 to 63 SysEx 64 to 127, 0 to 63 ;) From rustys.lists at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 05:53:49 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:53:49 -0700 Subject: [LAU] standalone pitch correction Message-ID: Hi listers, I'm working on a project and being constantly reminded that, though I'm not bad, I'm an imperfect vocalist. :( That's just the breaks. Anyway, I'm using Nama with Ecasound which allows me to do my production from the commandline, which is necessary because I am blind and it's my only option right now, but his powerful tool does not, at this point, play nicely with the lv2 plugins like talentedhack which provide pitch correction. Does anyone know of a cli based method of pitchcorrecting an audio file? I mean I want to tell it what key I'm singing in, set some parameters, and have it process a file to fix some of my intonation problems. You might say, why not just sing it again? Honestly, I don't have the patience or the time. Anyway, if anyone has a suggestion, I would much appreciate it. Thanks! Rusty From looplog at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 08:52:16 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:52:16 +0800 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor Message-ID: Has anybody had a play with this? Looks, and more importantly, sounds like it works well enough to do some useful, creative, and/or obnoxious things. http://isse.sourceforge.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 22 09:12:09 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:12:09 +0200 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382433129.11372.227.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 16:52 +0800, michael noble wrote: > Has anybody had a play with this? Looks, and more importantly, sounds > like it works well enough to do some useful, creative, and/or > obnoxious things. > > > http://isse.sourceforge.net/ "The software is developed by Adobe Research and [snip]" - http://isse.sourceforge.net/about.html Some time ago I purchased an ebook. What I got wasn't the book, but crap with metadata and they wanted that I register at Adobe regarding to DRM. I didn't register at the Adobe website, so I lost the book I purchased. Adobe is a mafia. From looplog at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 09:43:03 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:43:03 +0800 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <1382433129.11372.227.camel@archlinux> References: <1382433129.11372.227.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: Right, got it, you hate Adobe, invective noted. Maybe we can start another thread and bitch about the stupidity of DRM in ebooks (something I particular hate, having witnessed idiotic things like 400 page ebooks in university libraries with 1 day lending periods and the inability to copy text). Or maybe we can rail on about Adobe's sporadic on/off support of Linux desktop users. In the meantime, has anyone else actually tried the application? Building it on AUR now and it seems to have JACK support. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 16:52 +0800, michael noble wrote: > > Has anybody had a play with this? Looks, and more importantly, sounds > > like it works well enough to do some useful, creative, and/or > > obnoxious things. > > > > > > http://isse.sourceforge.net/ > > "The software is developed by Adobe Research and [snip]" > - http://isse.sourceforge.net/about.html > > Some time ago I purchased an ebook. What I got wasn't the book, but crap > with metadata and they wanted that I register at Adobe regarding to DRM. > I didn't register at the Adobe website, so I lost the book I purchased. > > Adobe is a mafia. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Ralf From lsd at wootangent.net Tue Oct 22 11:01:02 2013 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:01:02 +1100 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52665AEE.4040508@wootangent.net> On 22/10/13 7:52 PM, michael noble wrote: > Has anybody had a play with this? Looks, and more importantly, sounds > like it works well enough to do some useful, creative, and/or obnoxious > things. > > http://isse.sourceforge.net/ This looks really cool! Please let us know if you have any luck getting it to work -- I'd be curious to see what kind of creative editing uses this could be put to. Thanks Leigh > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From looplog at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 11:08:19 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:08:19 +0800 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <1382438956.11372.262.camel@archlinux> References: <1382433129.11372.227.camel@archlinux> <1382438956.11372.262.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 17:43 +0800, michael noble wrote: > > Building it on AUR now and it seems to have JACK support. > > "optdepends=('jack: JACK audio backend')" - > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/is/isse/PKGBUILD > > So it has got jack support, but ... > > $ yaourt -S isse > [snip] > ==> ERROR: Failure while downloading > isse-code-a1a9c5229e288009e467d88a0baf6d53cb072f4f.zip > Aborting... > ==> ERROR: Makepkg was unable to build isse. > > Regards, > Ralf > > Strange, it built ok for me. 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Regards, Ralf From looplog at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 11:10:37 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:10:37 +0800 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <52665AEE.4040508@wootangent.net> References: <52665AEE.4040508@wootangent.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > On 22/10/13 7:52 PM, michael noble wrote: > >> Has anybody had a play with this? Looks, and more importantly, sounds >> like it works well enough to do some useful, creative, and/or obnoxious >> things. >> >> http://isse.sourceforge.net/ >> > > This looks really cool! Please let us know if you have any luck getting it > to work -- I'd be curious to see what kind of creative editing uses this > could be put to. > > Thanks > Leigh > > Well it built, and the app itself runs, but it doesn't seem to recognize any sound files, or at least, none of the file dialogues seem to let me open a wave file even though they demand one... 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From robin at gareus.org Tue Oct 22 11:38:36 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:38:36 +0200 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> On 10/22/2013 10:52 AM, michael noble wrote: > Has anybody had a play with this? Looks, and more importantly, sounds like > it works well enough to do some useful, creative, and/or obnoxious things. > > http://isse.sourceforge.net/ > It reminded me of http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ isse seems much more specialized for the use-case at hand, though I think you might achieve similar results with some VAMP plugins and filters using sonic-visualizer. Anyway, kudos to Nick Bryan et al for pulling this off and releasing it in terms of the GPL. Judging from the publications and demos it's a very interesting research project. Yet so far I'm out of luck to getting the software to work [under debian]. ciao, robin From robin at gareus.org Tue Oct 22 12:24:06 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:24:06 +0200 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> Message-ID: <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> On 10/22/2013 01:38 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > Yet so far I'm out of luck to getting the software to work [under debian]. OK, some progress. while File > Open does not allow me to import .waf files, I can drag-drop import them to the timeline. File > Open seems to be for .isse sessions. I guess I should read the doc first :) Here it also plays with alsa (not jack). so long, robin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 22 13:08:38 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:08:38 -0400 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> Message-ID: <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> On 10/22/2013 08:24 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 10/22/2013 01:38 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: >> Yet so far I'm out of luck to getting the software to work [under debian]. > OK, some progress. while File > Open does not allow me to import .waf > files, I can drag-drop import them to the timeline. > > File > Open seems to be for .isse sessions. I guess I should read the > doc first :) > > Here it also plays with alsa (not jack). > > Hi Robin, I got it built and apparently running on 32-bit Ubuntu 12.04. The docs are essential reading. :) However, I still have no audio, with or without JACK. The audio test works fine with either, but playback gives no sound. :( Early stage software, I expect difficulties. Looks cool, and Ge Wang's involved, so I'll monitor activity on this one. Best, dp From robin at gareus.org Tue Oct 22 13:15:01 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:15:01 +0200 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> On 10/22/2013 03:08 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Hi Robin, > > I got it built and apparently running on 32-bit Ubuntu 12.04. The docs > are essential reading. :) > > However, I still have no audio, with or without JACK. The audio test > works fine with either, but playback gives no sound. :( Works here (via snd_aloop then zita-a2j to JACK). > Early stage software, I expect difficulties. Looks cool, and Ge Wang's > involved, so I'll monitor activity on this one. Yeah lots of CCRMAlites involved. It was also presented last week at http://www.aes.org/events/135/workshops/?ID=3668 robin From joelz at pobox.com Tue Oct 22 13:16:35 2013 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:16:35 -1000 Subject: [LAU] standalone pitch correction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131022131635.GB1901@sprite> Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi listers, > I'm working on a project and being constantly reminded that, though > I'm not bad, I'm an imperfect vocalist. :( That's just the breaks. > > Anyway, I'm using Nama with Ecasound which allows me to do my > production from the commandline, which is necessary because I am blind > and it's my only option right now, but his powerful tool does not, at > this point, play nicely with the lv2 plugins like talentedhack which > provide pitch correction. > > Does anyone know of a cli based method of pitchcorrecting an audio > file? I mean I want to tell it what key I'm singing in, set some > parameters, and have it process a file to fix some of my intonation > problems. > You might say, why not just sing it again? Honestly, I don't have the > patience or the time. > > Anyway, if anyone has a suggestion, I would much appreciate it. Hi Rusty, What makes you think that this LV2 plugin, or the Autotalent LADSPA plugin[1] it is derived from, is incompatible with Ecasound? Joel 1. http://tombaran.info/autotalent.html > Thanks! > Rusty > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Joel Roth From rustys.lists at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 14:27:22 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:27:22 -0700 Subject: [LAU] standalone pitch correction In-Reply-To: <20131022131635.GB1901@sprite> References: <20131022131635.GB1901@sprite> Message-ID: Thanks gentlemen, I was under the impression that the talenthack and vocproc lv2 plugins didn't work with nama based on a few emails I've exchanged with Julien. And I'm pretty sure he told me he had some trouble trying to get the ladspa version to work as well. I've downloaded the ladspa version autotalent ladspa #4262, and am going to give it a try today. Thanks so much! Rusty On 10/22/13, Joel Roth wrote: > Rusty Perez wrote: >> Hi listers, >> I'm working on a project and being constantly reminded that, though >> I'm not bad, I'm an imperfect vocalist. :( That's just the breaks. >> >> Anyway, I'm using Nama with Ecasound which allows me to do my >> production from the commandline, which is necessary because I am blind >> and it's my only option right now, but his powerful tool does not, at >> this point, play nicely with the lv2 plugins like talentedhack which >> provide pitch correction. >> >> Does anyone know of a cli based method of pitchcorrecting an audio >> file? I mean I want to tell it what key I'm singing in, set some >> parameters, and have it process a file to fix some of my intonation >> problems. >> You might say, why not just sing it again? Honestly, I don't have the >> patience or the time. >> >> Anyway, if anyone has a suggestion, I would much appreciate it. > > > Hi Rusty, > > What makes you think that this LV2 plugin, or the Autotalent > LADSPA plugin[1] it is derived from, is incompatible with > Ecasound? > > Joel > > 1. http://tombaran.info/autotalent.html > > >> Thanks! >> Rusty >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -- > Joel Roth > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From edogawa at aon.at Tue Oct 22 14:28:57 2013 From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:28:57 +0200 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: References: <52665AEE.4040508@wootangent.net> Message-ID: <1860795.KIBQ3XxTgu@edhp> Am Dienstag, 22. Oktober 2013, 19:10:37 schrieb michael noble: > Well it built, and the app itself runs, but it doesn't seem to recognize > any sound files, or at least, none of the file dialogues seem to let me > open a wave file even though they demand one... All I have time for at the > moment. As Robin noted in his most recent message, d'n'd to the multiview works, and the wiki states one should use File->New, not Open, to load some .wav file. But it seems that doesn't work if no audio output is chosen (when I tried under that condition, it seemed to load but failed to show the spectrogram). From fero.kiraly at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 18:20:55 2013 From: fero.kiraly at gmail.com (Fero Kiraly) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:20:55 +0200 Subject: [LAU] CARLA improvement ? Message-ID: Hi all & specially falkTX ! What if Host URLs were visibile somewhere on main window of Carla? maybe.. fero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Tue Oct 22 21:10:19 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:10:19 +0200 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> Message-ID: <5266E9BB.5000307@stackingdwarves.net> On 10/22/2013 03:15 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 10/22/2013 03:08 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: >> Hi Robin, >> >> I got it built and apparently running on 32-bit Ubuntu 12.04. The docs >> are essential reading. :) >> >> However, I still have no audio, with or without JACK. The audio test >> works fine with either, but playback gives no sound. :( > > Works here (via snd_aloop then zita-a2j to JACK). > >> Early stage software, I expect difficulties. Looks cool, and Ge Wang's >> involved, so I'll monitor activity on this one. > > Yeah lots of CCRMAlites involved. It was also presented last week at > http://www.aes.org/events/135/workshops/?ID=3668 excellent timing. i will probably need it to excise coughs and banging doors from a recording next sunday. no more sneaking over to a friend to use his izotope... :) -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From espiritocz at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 02:18:40 2013 From: espiritocz at gmail.com (Milan Lazecky) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:18:40 +0800 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <5266E9BB.5000307@stackingdwarves.net> References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> <5266E9BB.5000307@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: wow... yes, i will need it as well to fine tune a recording from street performance.. thank you - the timing is great! (this performance should be this friday). milan 2013/10/23 J?rn Nettingsmeier > On 10/22/2013 03:15 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > >> On 10/22/2013 03:08 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: >> >>> Hi Robin, >>> >>> I got it built and apparently running on 32-bit Ubuntu 12.04. The docs >>> are essential reading. :) >>> >>> However, I still have no audio, with or without JACK. The audio test >>> works fine with either, but playback gives no sound. :( >>> >> >> Works here (via snd_aloop then zita-a2j to JACK). >> >> Early stage software, I expect difficulties. Looks cool, and Ge Wang's >>> involved, so I'll monitor activity on this one. >>> >> >> Yeah lots of CCRMAlites involved. It was also presented last week at >> http://www.aes.org/events/135/**workshops/?ID=3668 >> > > excellent timing. i will probably need it to excise coughs and banging > doors from a recording next sunday. no more sneaking over to a friend to > use his izotope... :) > > > -- > J?rn Nettingsmeier > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) > Tonmeister VDT > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sakrecoer at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 08:02:30 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:02:30 +0200 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> Hi! >> Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. >> There is no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it >> from the device itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd >> the device changed the sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz >> from the jackd command, and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and >> (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like waiting for the device. I'm 99% sure you can only switch the bitrate on the r16 from 16-bits to 24-bits. The samplerate is always set to 44.1kHz. Perhaps configuring jack to use 44.1 will solve the problem? Just a thaught, i still havn't got my thumb out to try Clemens Patch :/ Have a good awoken time y'all! *set On 2013-10-21 22:57, Natanael Olaiz wrote: > El 10/18/2013 10:04 PM, Natanael Olaiz escribi?: >> El 10/18/2013 08:27 AM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: >>> Natanael Olaiz wrote: >>> >>>> [...] >>>> On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The >>>> device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. >>> >>> What happens? >>> >> I think it had some trouble with the sample rate or some of the other >> defined arguments, but I still didn't had many time to try different >> combinations... >> >> Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. There is >> no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it from the device >> itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd the device changed the >> sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz from the jackd command, >> and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like >> waiting for the device. >> >> ... >> >> But after my previous mail I tried again with alsa_in on a running 48kHz >> jackd server (Focusrite Saffire), and it worked!!!! I was able to use >> all the 8 input channels!!! (my impression was an incredibly -for the >> price...- clean sound!) >> >> I tried then adding an alsa_out (at the same time than alsa_in), but it >> said the device was already in use (I have a H2n and as far I can >> remember I can execute both together...) > I'm using the R16 as MIDI controller [R16 -> a2jmidid (alsa midi)-> > (jack midi) ardour3] and audio capture [R16 -> alsa_in (alsa device with > 8 input channels) -> ffado jack host]. > > It seems to work quite well when is running, but there is something not > fine: > > - it takes a long time to the device to appears as an alsa device since > it is detected from the kernel module > > - at least when it is not used (but I think it can occurs even when > streaming) it seems to block ALSA for moments. Meanwhile alsa seems is > unresponsive. Trying to start qjackctl (just open the frontend, not even > starting jack) opened an unresponsive widget. As soon I disconnected the > USB from the R16, the buttons and the control of the widget appeared. > > - I was with the above described chain (jack + R16 alsa_in) , and all > the audio devices suddenly hanged. I saw in the R16 the sample rate at > 96kHz (when it was -as JACK- at 48kHz) > > A dmesg shows this : > >> [ 268.877864] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 272.489903] firewire_core 0000:07:00.0: created device fw1: GUID >> 00130e0100060dce, S400 >> [ 273.879240] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 >> [ 278.903419] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 283.904662] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 >> [ 286.633916] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 286.638154] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 >> [ 286.671291] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) >> [ 286.675542] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) >> [ 286.679792] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) >> "" * 20 >> [ 286.799821] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) >> [ 286.830497] usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, device number 3 >> [ 304.980599] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card >> #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. >> [ 305.930727] usb 1-1.4: new high-speed USB device number 4 using >> ehci-pci >> [ 306.022714] usb 1-1.4: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk >> endpoint 0x1 has invalid maxpacket 64 >> [ 306.022717] usb 1-1.4: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk >> endpoint 0x82 has invalid maxpacket 64 >> [ 306.023508] usb 1-1.4: New USB device found, idVendor=1686, >> idProduct=00dd >> [ 306.023513] usb 1-1.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, >> SerialNumber=3 >> [ 306.023515] usb 1-1.4: Product: R16 >> [ 306.023517] usb 1-1.4: Manufacturer: ZOOM Corporation >> [ 306.023519] usb 1-1.4: SerialNumber: 0 >> [ 311.025093] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 321.027467] 4:2:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84 >> [ 331.090900] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 336.092152] 4:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 >> [ 341.115367] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 346.116557] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 356.273029] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 358.352531] 4:2:1: usb_set_interface failed (-110) >> [ 820.268089] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 >> [ 825.269267] 4:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > > Any hint? > > > Thanks in advance, > Natanael. > > >> >> Soon I'll do more controlled tests and I'll update you. But it look so >> good!! :-) >> >> Thanks a lot!!! >> >> Natanael. >>> Regards, >>> Clemens >>> > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 08:09:10 2013 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:09:10 +0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > Linear chains can easily be modeled in Qtractor, Ardour, Carla or other > LV2 hosts, but complex networks require ingen or custom jack-midi-port > connections. In my jackass opinion, Ardour needs Ingen bundled, or maybe a similar built-in feature. (And some people would still want to see PD-like system inside it, much like Max4Live). Alexandre From grib at billgribble.com Wed Oct 23 09:59:31 2013 From: grib at billgribble.com (Bill Gribble) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:59:31 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> Message-ID: <1382522371.18722.11.camel@cayenne.local> On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 12:09 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > In my jackass opinion, Ardour needs Ingen bundled, or maybe a similar > built-in feature. (And some people would still want to see PD-like > system inside it, much like Max4Live). That last was a big goal of mine when I started work on MFP [1]. Something like PD, but less multimedia, more quantitative, and can be inserted as a plugin anywhere that loads plugins. Sort of a swiss-army knife for audio engineers/musicians/mad scientists who need to put together a custom bit of signal generation, processing, analysis, midi/osc mangling, etc. Unfortunately :) I got a job about 6 months ago and work on MFP has been at a near-standstill since my LAC presentation. But I have found some time lately to work on a first pass at running MFP as a LV2 plugin, which is a key missing piece of technology to enable the "max4live" type workflow. I'm hopeful I can have a3 loading an editable, 2x2 patch (with a fixed set of LV2 controls, the patch editor being out-of-process) in the next couple of weeks. Thanks, Bill Gribble [1] https://github.com/bgribble/mfp From looplog at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 10:17:36 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:17:36 +0800 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <1382522371.18722.11.camel@cayenne.local> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> <1382522371.18722.11.camel@cayenne.local> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Bill Gribble wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 12:09 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > In my jackass opinion, Ardour needs Ingen bundled, or maybe a similar > > built-in feature. (And some people would still want to see PD-like > > system inside it, much like Max4Live). > > That last was a big goal of mine when I started work on MFP [1]. > Something like PD, but less multimedia, more quantitative, and can be > inserted as a plugin anywhere that loads plugins. Sort of a swiss-army > knife for audio engineers/musicians/mad scientists who need to put > together a custom bit of signal generation, processing, analysis, > midi/osc mangling, etc. > > Unfortunately :) I got a job about 6 months ago and work on MFP has been > at a near-standstill since my LAC presentation. But I have found some > time lately to work on a first pass at running MFP as a LV2 plugin, > which is a key missing piece of technology to enable the "max4live" type > workflow. I'm hopeful I can have a3 loading an editable, 2x2 patch > (with a fixed set of LV2 controls, the patch editor being > out-of-process) in the next couple of weeks. > > There is a proof of concept LV2 plugin floating around that is based on libpd that can run PD patches. There is also Radium, which now has a fork of libpd built in and has PD patching integrated into the workflow of the sequencer. CLAM also has had export to LV2 features for a while, though I don't know what state it is given the changes to the LV2 stack since the initial feature was added. I'd like to see Dave's work with Ingen running as an LV2 be released, but since Ingen itself has yet to see a release that might be a while off. All up, I think we are spoiled for choices if we are prepared to live with the problems of being early adopters. Personally I'd like to see more work on bringing just one of these tools to maturity, rather than a further proliferation of itch-scratchers that never quite get the job done. Not that my opinion matters for much - ultimately the work has to be done by people more competent at programming than myself. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Oct 23 12:18:06 2013 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:18:06 -0500 Subject: [LAU] re Zoom R16 In-Reply-To: <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> References: <525D0E98.1070302@gmail.com> <525D23E4.60005@ladisch.de> <5260740D.1060705@gmail.com> <5260D4B7.2090603@ladisch.de> <52619447.5000801@gmail.com> <5265951E.2070900@gmail.com> <52678296.1060705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382530686.24476.8.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 10:02 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote: > Hi! > > >> Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. > >> There is no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it > >> from the device itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd > >> the device changed the sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz > >> from the jackd command, and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and > >> (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like waiting for the device. > > I'm 99% sure you can only switch the bitrate on the r16 from 16-bits to > 24-bits. The samplerate is always set to 44.1kHz. > The bitrate is either 16 or 24. The samplerate is only restricted to 44.1KHz as a standalone unit. When used as a computer sound interface you are supposed to be able to set it at the usual places between 44.1KHz and 96KHz. On a related yet unrelated note, I have two of these and use them in a master/slave configuration to record gigs using direct outs from our board. I did have to make a couple of 8 port, 50dB L-pad boxes though because the inputs on the R-16 are expecting line input at consumer level (-10dBV) while the board puts out pro level (+4dBu). If anyone is interested in the L-pad boxes I've posted a tutorial on my web page: https://googledrive.com/host/0Bw2lTTCOj0kBeGdrbGVqNXJaODA/ZR16.html I've since found that I should have made them 40dB so now I have to swap out the 33K ohm resistors for 10K ohm. Oh well ;-) > Perhaps configuring jack to use 44.1 will solve the problem? > > Just a thaught, i still havn't got my thumb out to try Clemens Patch :/ > > Have a good awoken time y'all! > > *set > > > On 2013-10-21 22:57, Natanael Olaiz wrote: > > El 10/18/2013 10:04 PM, Natanael Olaiz escribi?: > >> El 10/18/2013 08:27 AM, Clemens Ladisch escribi?: > >>> Natanael Olaiz wrote: > >>> > >>>> [...] > >>>> On the other hand, audio doesn't seem to works straightforward. The > >>>> device is seen, but I was not able to make it work with jack nor aplay. > >>> > >>> What happens? > >>> > >> I think it had some trouble with the sample rate or some of the other > >> defined arguments, but I still didn't had many time to try different > >> combinations... > >> > >> Plus, I don't know how to change the sample rate on the device. There is > >> no control exposed for alsamixer, and I cannot change it from the device > >> itself. When I tested it, as soon I started jackd the device changed the > >> sample rate to 96kHz (when I was trying 48kHz from the jackd command, > >> and the device was at 44.1kHz before), and (q)jack(ctl)d stopped like > >> waiting for the device. > >> > >> ... > >> > >> But after my previous mail I tried again with alsa_in on a running 48kHz > >> jackd server (Focusrite Saffire), and it worked!!!! I was able to use > >> all the 8 input channels!!! (my impression was an incredibly -for the > >> price...- clean sound!) > >> > >> I tried then adding an alsa_out (at the same time than alsa_in), but it > >> said the device was already in use (I have a H2n and as far I can > >> remember I can execute both together...) > > I'm using the R16 as MIDI controller [R16 -> a2jmidid (alsa midi)-> > > (jack midi) ardour3] and audio capture [R16 -> alsa_in (alsa device with > > 8 input channels) -> ffado jack host]. > > > > It seems to work quite well when is running, but there is something not > > fine: > > > > - it takes a long time to the device to appears as an alsa device since > > it is detected from the kernel module > > > > - at least when it is not used (but I think it can occurs even when > > streaming) it seems to block ALSA for moments. Meanwhile alsa seems is > > unresponsive. Trying to start qjackctl (just open the frontend, not even > > starting jack) opened an unresponsive widget. As soon I disconnected the > > USB from the R16, the buttons and the control of the widget appeared. > > > > - I was with the above described chain (jack + R16 alsa_in) , and all > > the audio devices suddenly hanged. I saw in the R16 the sample rate at > > 96kHz (when it was -as JACK- at 48kHz) > > > > A dmesg shows this : > > > >> [ 268.877864] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 272.489903] firewire_core 0000:07:00.0: created device fw1: GUID > >> 00130e0100060dce, S400 > >> [ 273.879240] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > >> [ 278.903419] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 283.904662] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > >> [ 286.633916] 3:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 286.638154] 3:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > >> [ 286.671291] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > >> [ 286.675542] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > >> [ 286.679792] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > >> "" * 20 > >> [ 286.799821] 3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed (-71) > >> [ 286.830497] usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, device number 3 > >> [ 304.980599] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card > >> #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. > >> [ 305.930727] usb 1-1.4: new high-speed USB device number 4 using > >> ehci-pci > >> [ 306.022714] usb 1-1.4: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk > >> endpoint 0x1 has invalid maxpacket 64 > >> [ 306.022717] usb 1-1.4: config 1 interface 3 altsetting 0 bulk > >> endpoint 0x82 has invalid maxpacket 64 > >> [ 306.023508] usb 1-1.4: New USB device found, idVendor=1686, > >> idProduct=00dd > >> [ 306.023513] usb 1-1.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, > >> SerialNumber=3 > >> [ 306.023515] usb 1-1.4: Product: R16 > >> [ 306.023517] usb 1-1.4: Manufacturer: ZOOM Corporation > >> [ 306.023519] usb 1-1.4: SerialNumber: 0 > >> [ 311.025093] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 321.027467] 4:2:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84 > >> [ 331.090900] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 336.092152] 4:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > >> [ 341.115367] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 346.116557] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 356.273029] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 358.352531] 4:2:1: usb_set_interface failed (-110) > >> [ 820.268089] 4:1:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x3 > >> [ 825.269267] 4:1:1: cannot set freq 44100 to ep 0x3 > > > > Any hint? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Natanael. > > > > > >> > >> Soon I'll do more controlled tests and I'll update you. But it look so > >> good!! :-) > >> > >> Thanks a lot!!! > >> > >> Natanael. > >>> Regards, > >>> Clemens > >>> > > > From rm at mh-freiburg.de Wed Oct 23 12:46:25 2013 From: rm at mh-freiburg.de (R. Mattes) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:46:25 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> Message-ID: <20131023123810.M99743@mh-freiburg.de> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:09:10 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > > > Linear chains can easily be modeled in Qtractor, Ardour, Carla or other > > LV2 hosts, but complex networks require ingen or custom jack-midi-port > > connections. > > In my jackass opinion, Ardour needs Ingen bundled, or maybe a similar > built-in feature. And Emacs, let's not forget an embedded Emacs ;-) > (And some people would still want to see PD-like > system inside it, much like Max4Live). Maybe I miss something obvious, but what's wrong with using PD as it is - i.e. as a standalone jack client. After all, isn't that the main point of jack's wounderful routing capabilities? Max4Live exists because there's nothing comparable in the windows/mac world (or, at least, there wasn't) My PD patches will run with ardour as well as with qtractor - I consider this an advantage. Cheers, Ralf Mattes -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg rm at inm.mh-freiburg.de From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 23 12:51:15 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:51:15 -0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <20131023123810.M99743@mh-freiburg.de> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> <20131023123810.M99743@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:46 AM, R. Mattes wrote: > Maybe I miss something obvious, but what's wrong with using > PD as it is - i.e. as a standalone jack client. After all, isn't that > the main point of jack's wounderful routing capabilities? > Max4Live exists because there's nothing comparable in the > windows/mac world (or, at least, there wasn't) > not really true. JACK has been around for about as Ableton Live. and presumably you haven't noticed the GUI integration of M4L within Live? > My PD patches will run with ardour as well as with qtractor - > I consider this an advantage. > surely what matters is that your PD patches should run in any instance of PD, whether it is PureData (the app) or libpd, on any platform on which any version of PD runs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 13:22:26 2013 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:22:26 +0400 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <20131023123810.M99743@mh-freiburg.de> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> <20131023123810.M99743@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:46 PM, R. Mattes wrote: > Maybe I miss something obvious, but what's wrong with using > PD as it is - i.e. as a standalone jack client. After all, isn't that > the main point of jack's wounderful routing capabilities? > Max4Live exists because there's nothing comparable in the > windows/mac world (or, at least, there wasn't) Oh dear :) I dare you read the "How Integrated is It?" section at http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/cycling-74-reveals-max-for-live-make-max-patches-that-integrate-with-ableton/ Alexandre From robin at gareus.org Wed Oct 23 13:51:44 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:51:44 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> <1382385095.11372.141.camel@archlinux> <52658A74.4010409@gareus.org> <20131023123810.M99743@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: <5267D470.3010008@gareus.org> On 10/23/2013 03:22 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Oh dear :) I dare you read the "How Integrated is It?" section at > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/01/cycling-74-reveals-max-for-live-make-max-patches-that-integrate-with-ableton/ > Similar motivation lead to the creation of midifilter.lv2 actually. There's probably nothing that you cannot already do with midish, qmidiroute, mididings, or even Pd, sc, etc. Except, with the LV2s you get tempo sync, [sample accurate] automation. State and connections are saved/loaded with the DAW session. Undo functionality is available from within the DAW as are presets and UI controls.. I find these very convenient when working on audio. 2c, robin From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Oct 23 18:55:39 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:55:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] strange build problem Message-ID: <20131023195539.2d30e82f@debian> I've set up an old single core athlon with debian 6.0.8-i386 (the final version of squeeze) in order to compile old versions of yoshimi which won't compile on the latest version of debian testing, but I've hit a really odd problem. The programs seem to compile perfectly, with no errors reported, but they won't run. As a cross-check, I tried to compile the latest yoshimi version as well as the latest version of zynaddsubfx. Again no compile errors are reported but running them fails. zynaddsubfx give an error 'illegal instruction', while yoshimi gives 'segfault' Can anyone suggest what might be the problem? -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From brummer- at web.de Wed Oct 23 19:04:39 2013 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:04:39 +0200 Subject: [LAU] strange build problem In-Reply-To: <20131023195539.2d30e82f@debian> References: <20131023195539.2d30e82f@debian> Message-ID: <52681DC7.2070907@web.de> Am 23.10.2013 20:55, schrieb Will Godfrey: > I've set up an old single core athlon with debian 6.0.8-i386 (the final version > of squeeze) in order to compile old versions of yoshimi which won't compile on > the latest version of debian testing, but I've hit a really odd problem. The > programs seem to compile perfectly, with no errors reported, but they won't > run. As a cross-check, I tried to compile the latest yoshimi version as well as > the latest version of zynaddsubfx. Again no compile errors are reported but > running them fails. > > zynaddsubfx give an error 'illegal instruction', while yoshimi gives 'segfault' > > Can anyone suggest what might be the problem? > check the build flags for sse (-msseX) instructions and remove them. As far I remember those old athlons didn't support them. From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Wed Oct 23 19:19:36 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:19:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] strange build problem In-Reply-To: <52681DC7.2070907@web.de> References: <20131023195539.2d30e82f@debian> <52681DC7.2070907@web.de> Message-ID: <20131023201936.54c88720@debian> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:04:39 +0200 hermann meyer wrote: > Am 23.10.2013 20:55, schrieb Will Godfrey: > > I've set up an old single core athlon with debian 6.0.8-i386 (the final version > > of squeeze) in order to compile old versions of yoshimi which won't compile on > > the latest version of debian testing, but I've hit a really odd problem. The > > programs seem to compile perfectly, with no errors reported, but they won't > > run. As a cross-check, I tried to compile the latest yoshimi version as well as > > the latest version of zynaddsubfx. Again no compile errors are reported but > > running them fails. > > > > zynaddsubfx give an error 'illegal instruction', while yoshimi gives 'segfault' > > > > Can anyone suggest what might be the problem? > > > check the build flags for sse (-msseX) instructions and remove them. As > far I remember those old athlons didn't support them. Thank you very much for such a quick and absolutely accurate answer :) Now I can do the comparisons I've wanted to do for quite some time. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Wed Oct 23 20:07:48 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:07:48 +0200 Subject: [LAU] strange build problem In-Reply-To: <20131023201936.54c88720@debian> References: <20131023195539.2d30e82f@debian> <52681DC7.2070907@web.de> <20131023201936.54c88720@debian> Message-ID: <1382558868.685.32.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 20:19 +0100, Will Godfrey wrote: > Now I can do the comparisons I've wanted to do for quite some time. If you should compare sound quality, take care of the settings. IIRC I experienced the sound of zynaddsubfx as cleaner, better than the sound of yoshimi and I guess I missed that there are interpolation settings. I might confuse it with another test I made, I don't know if the interpolation settings have impact to the sound. But from memory, as far as I remember, I compared both, zynadd's sound was better, but I made a mistake and some settings differed, so the test I made was incorrect. :D However, if you should compare both or versions of one synth regarding to sound quality, CPU usage or whatever else, please let us know your results. TIA, Ralf From brouits at free.fr Wed Oct 23 20:53:59 2013 From: brouits at free.fr (=?UTF-8?B?QmVub8OudCBSb3VpdHM=?=) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:53:59 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] midifilter.lv2 v0.1.3 In-Reply-To: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> References: <52658104.3010004@gareus.org> Message-ID: <52683767.1040502@free.fr> Le 21/10/2013 21:31, Robin Gareus a ?crit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > I just realized that I have never properly announced midifilter.lv2, > so here it goes: > > midifilter.lv2 are a collection of LV2 plugins to filter MIDI events > released in terms of the GPLv2. > > The source-code can be found at > https://github.com/x42/midifilter.lv2 > > Thanks for Jarom?r Mike? they are available in debian (and derived > distributions) in the 'x42-plugins' package. > > Kudos to Thomas Brand who started documenting them at > http://gareus.org/oss/lv2/midifilter - much of the documentation has > meanwhile been integrated into the plugins themselves and is displayed > by LV2-hosts who support built-in doc. > > > So far it features 23 filters: > > * Channel Filter -- discard messages per Channel > * Channel Map -- map any MIDI-channel to another MIDI-channel > * Enforce Scale -- force midi notes on given musical scale > * Eventblocker -- notch style message filter. > * Keyrange -- discard notes-on/off events outside an give range > * Keysplit -- change midi-channel number depending on note > (and optionally transpose) > * Mapscale -- flexible 12-tone map > * Chord -- harmonizer - create chords from a single note in a given > musical scale > * Delay -- delay MIDI events with optional radomization > * Dup -- unisono - duplicate MIDI events from one channel to another > * Strum -- arpeggio effect intended to simulate strumming a stringed > instrument (e.g. guitar) > * Transpose -- chromatic transpose MIDI notes > * Legato -- Hold a note until the next note arrives > * NoSensing -- strip MIDI Active-Sensing events > * NoDup -- MIDI duplicate blocker. Filter out overlapping note on/off > and duplicate messages. > * NoteToggle -- toggle notes: play a note to turn it on, play it again > to turn it off. > * nTabDelay -- repeat notes N times (incl tempo-ramps) > * Passthru -- no operation (example plugin) > * Quantize -- live midi event quantization > * Velocity Randomizer -- randomly change velocity of note-on events > * Sostenuto -- delay note-off messages, emulate a piano sostenuto pedal > * Velocity Range -- filter MIDI note events according to velocity. > * Velocity Scale -- modify note velocity by constant factor and offset > > As usual, any feedback is welcome. > enjoy, > robin Great to see some midi toolkit ! Several years ago, i made a few (only 8) filters as lv2 plugins but i have no more time to enhance them. If you are interested, you can borrow them at https://dbx.gtmp.org/svn/lv2/ Cheers, - Ben From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 06:19:28 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:19:28 -0700 Subject: [LAU] jack error delay of nnn.nnn usecs exceeds estimated spare time of nnn.nn restart Message-ID: Hi folks, Any thoughts on this error? This began to happen just after I started playing with autotalent ladspa plugin in nama. I don't know if the two are related. I am using only a dual core machine so maybe I don't have enough horsepower? The audio was studdering quite a bit when the machine was rendering the processed audio while playing several other tracks. Thanks! Rusty From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 06:31:01 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:31:01 -0700 Subject: [LAU] jack error delay of nnn.nnn usecs exceeds estimated spare time of nnn.nn restart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This has not to do with nama I think. I shut nama down, and killed jack, then restarted jack and, with no other audio software running I got the error and some xruns. So ..... any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! Rusty On 10/23/13, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > Any thoughts on this error? > This began to happen just after I started playing with autotalent > ladspa plugin in nama. I don't know if the two are related. > I am using only a dual core machine so maybe I don't have enough > horsepower? The audio was studdering quite a bit when the machine was > rendering the processed audio while playing several other tracks. > > Thanks! > Rusty > From burkhard at ualberta.ca Thu Oct 24 07:05:37 2013 From: burkhard at ualberta.ca (Burkhard Ritter) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:05:37 -0600 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Timo Westk?mper wrote: > There is now sound by default https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/76 > > A saw wave through a fixed low pass filter. > > Timo Hi Timo, I updated and recompiled and now I finally managed to get sound out of Rogue, both with QTractor and Ardour. I've had very little time to play around with it, but it looks (and sounds) like a really nice synthesizer. However, the default preset still does not give me sound. I get the impression that preset loading does not work properly: I can load different presets and some parameters seem to change, but only a few and to me the presets all sound very, very similar; hence, I suspect that a range of parameters don't get loaded from the preset properly. Not sure how to debug this, though. Any ideas? Cheers, Burkhard From timo.westkamper at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 07:10:29 2013 From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:10:29 +0300 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Burkhard Ritter wrote: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Timo Westk?mper > wrote: > > There is now sound by default > https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/76 > > > > A saw wave through a fixed low pass filter. > > > > Timo > > Hi Timo, > > I updated and recompiled and now I finally managed to get sound out of > Rogue, both with QTractor and Ardour. I've had very little time to > play around with it, but it looks (and sounds) like a really nice > synthesizer. However, the default preset still does not give me sound. > I get the impression that preset loading does not work properly: I can > load different presets and some parameters seem to change, but only a > few and to me the presets all sound very, very similar; hence, I > suspect that a range of parameters don't get loaded from the preset > properly. Not sure how to debug this, though. Any ideas? > Hi Burkhard. Do you have the same problem with QTractor and Ardour? I have been mostly testing with jalv, but I will check again later today what could be the reason for your problems. The presets sound quite different, so there might be an issue with parameter updates. Timo > > Cheers, > Burkhard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ From ch.bungue at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 10:29:36 2013 From: ch.bungue at gmail.com (Chris Bungue) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:29:36 +0200 Subject: [LAU] editor for audiofile header? In-Reply-To: <5268E977.5050609@linuxuse.de> References: <5268E977.5050609@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Thanks, I forgot SND. It's a very long time ago I use it. We have some problems with very strong digital distortions in some audiofiles after import them to Cubase and reload the project. The audiofiles are from ardour3 and I export them with the stem-export function. The wavefile is list with a tempo of 120,68 bpm in the in the pool from cubase, but I have recorded it with 84 bpm. I hop to find some more information in the header of the wavfile. .. chris 2013/10/24 Hartmut Noack > Am 24.10.2013 09:52, schrieb Chris Bungue: > > Hi, looking for a possibility to view or edit the header of a wav file. > > SND can do that and anything else, one may want to do with any audiodata. > But it is quite a huge, weathered beast so expect some learning-curve. > > https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/ > > > > > any idea? > > > > Thanks > > Chris > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Thu Oct 24 11:07:15 2013 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:07:15 +0200 Subject: [LAU] editor for audiofile header? In-Reply-To: References: <5268E977.5050609@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <5268FF63.50207@stackingdwarves.net> On 10/24/2013 12:29 PM, Chris Bungue wrote: > Thanks, I forgot SND. It's a very long time ago I use it. > > We have some problems with very strong digital distortions in some > audiofiles after import them to Cubase and reload the project. > The audiofiles are from ardour3 and I export them with the stem-export > function. > The wavefile is list with a tempo of 120,68 bpm in the in the pool from > cubase, but I have recorded it with 84 bpm. > I hop to find some more information in the header of the wavfile. since when does a wav header contain tempo information? irregardful, wrong tempo detection has nothing to do with distortion. i guess somewhere in your chain you go from float to integer. in that case, you will have to check that your stems don't ever go above 1.0f or 0dB. it's not a problem in jack until you hit the output converters, because floats can represent larger values than "full scale", but when you go to int, they will be all set to +/- maxint, which equals distortion. -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 24 15:04:39 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:04:39 -0400 Subject: [LAU] jack error delay of nnn.nnn usecs exceeds estimated spare time of nnn.nn restart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It means that the kernel delayed the wakeup of the JACK server by longer than the server thinks is OK. You are either overloading the processor(s) or have kernel scheduling latency issues. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks, > Any thoughts on this error? > This began to happen just after I started playing with autotalent > ladspa plugin in nama. I don't know if the two are related. > I am using only a dual core machine so maybe I don't have enough > horsepower? The audio was studdering quite a bit when the machine was > rendering the processed audio while playing several other tracks. > > Thanks! > Rusty > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 24 15:05:30 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:05:30 -0400 Subject: [LAU] editor for audiofile header? In-Reply-To: <5268FF63.50207@stackingdwarves.net> References: <5268E977.5050609@linuxuse.de> <5268FF63.50207@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM, J?rn Nettingsmeier < nettings at stackingdwarves.net> wrote: > On 10/24/2013 12:29 PM, Chris Bungue wrote: > >> Thanks, I forgot SND. It's a very long time ago I use it. >> >> We have some problems with very strong digital distortions in some >> audiofiles after import them to Cubase and reload the project. >> The audiofiles are from ardour3 and I export them with the stem-export >> function. >> The wavefile is list with a tempo of 120,68 bpm in the in the pool from >> cubase, but I have recorded it with 84 bpm. >> I hop to find some more information in the header of the wavfile. >> > > > since when does a wav header contain tempo information? > lots of wav files contain metadata. its just another RIFF chunk. > irregardful, wrong tempo detection has nothing to do with distortion. yeah. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Thu Oct 24 16:27:43 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [LAU] [nama] can audio processing occur without jack or alsa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Rusty! In principle you don't need ALSA or JACK to perform off-line processing. But it always depends on the particular application in question. Ecasound and sox can do that. Nama could as well, but it would probably need an option to simluate either audio device, because there's always the master output connected to a live system. Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 15:59:50 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:59:50 -0700 Subject: [LAU] jack error delay of nnn.nnn usecs exceeds estimated spare time of nnn.nn restart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Paul for shedding some light here. The processor overload thing could make sense because I don't really know how much this dualcore processor can take, and I started playing with pitch correction plugins. But, it is a bit Strange because this is even occurring when I'm not doing any audio processing, and I don't think I'm running anything more than what I usually run in the background. I'm curious about this kernel latency scheduling thing. Is that something caused through configuration errors, or something that a running process can cause? Thanks so much! Rusty . On 10/24/13, Paul Davis wrote: > It means that the kernel delayed the wakeup of the JACK server by longer > than the server thinks is OK. > > You are either overloading the processor(s) or have kernel scheduling > latency issues. > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Rusty Perez > wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> Any thoughts on this error? >> This began to happen just after I started playing with autotalent >> ladspa plugin in nama. I don't know if the two are related. >> I am using only a dual core machine so maybe I don't have enough >> horsepower? The audio was studdering quite a bit when the machine was >> rendering the processed audio while playing several other tracks. >> >> Thanks! >> Rusty >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > From rustys.lists at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 16:24:48 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:24:48 -0700 Subject: [LAU] can audio processing occur without jack or alsa? Message-ID: Hi folks, I know I have a lot to learn, but I'm curious about something. Must jack or alsa be present and running for "off line" audio processing to take place? Or are they only used for playback and recording? Please excuse what may, to some, come off as such basic lack of understanding. :-) Thanks! Rusty From timo.westkamper at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 19:29:34 2013 From: timo.westkamper at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Timo_Westk=C3=A4mper?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:29:34 +0300 Subject: [LAU] rogue synth updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Timo Westk?mper wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Burkhard Ritter wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Timo Westk?mper >> wrote: >> > There is now sound by default >> https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/76 >> > >> > A saw wave through a fixed low pass filter. >> > >> > Timo >> >> Hi Timo, >> >> I updated and recompiled and now I finally managed to get sound out of >> Rogue, both with QTractor and Ardour. I've had very little time to >> play around with it, but it looks (and sounds) like a really nice >> synthesizer. However, the default preset still does not give me sound. >> I get the impression that preset loading does not work properly: I can >> load different presets and some parameters seem to change, but only a >> few and to me the presets all sound very, very similar; hence, I >> suspect that a range of parameters don't get loaded from the preset >> properly. Not sure how to debug this, though. Any ideas? >> > > Hi Burkhard. > > Do you have the same problem with QTractor and Ardour? > > I have been mostly testing with jalv, but I will check again later today > what could be the reason for your problems. > > The presets sound quite different, so there might be an issue with > parameter updates. > > Timo > Hi. The issue has now been fixed https://github.com/timowest/rogue/issues/80 Qtractor is a bit stricter with the lv2 ttl sources, so I had to tune the preset serialization. I will try to add some reasonable supersaw presets in the weekend. 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URL: From ch.bungue at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 20:24:22 2013 From: ch.bungue at gmail.com (Chris Bungue) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:24:22 +0200 Subject: [LAU] editor for audiofile header? In-Reply-To: References: <5268E977.5050609@linuxuse.de> <5268FF63.50207@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: Hi J?rn, that interesting. But on both systems we work with 96khz and 32bit float. The most stems are about -5dB and normalize after import to cubase. If you are right than it is more a cubase import problem than an ardour export. So we have to make some tests in the studio. 2013/10/24 Paul Davis > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:07 AM, J?rn Nettingsmeier < > nettings at stackingdwarves.net> wrote: > >> On 10/24/2013 12:29 PM, Chris Bungue wrote: >> >>> Thanks, I forgot SND. It's a very long time ago I use it. >>> >>> We have some problems with very strong digital distortions in some >>> audiofiles after import them to Cubase and reload the project. >>> The audiofiles are from ardour3 and I export them with the stem-export >>> function. >>> The wavefile is list with a tempo of 120,68 bpm in the in the pool from >>> cubase, but I have recorded it with 84 bpm. >>> I hop to find some more information in the header of the wavfile. >>> >> >> >> since when does a wav header contain tempo information? >> > > lots of wav files contain metadata. its just another RIFF chunk. > > >> irregardful, wrong tempo detection has nothing to do with distortion. > > > yeah. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From angelv at iac.es Thu Oct 24 22:14:32 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:14:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> (Robin Gareus's message of "Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:15:01 +0200") References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> Message-ID: Hi, Robin Gareus writes: > Works here (via snd_aloop then zita-a2j to JACK). FWIW I also managed to get it to work nicely with Alsa in Xubuntu 13.04. Managed to import an audio file, do the separation magic (although this will require some time to get used to in order to separate efficiently) and export the separated audio files back to two .WAV files. Very nice indeed. I hope to use it to prepare songs for karaoke, by removing the vocals. It would be nice if the graphs showed the frequency values, so I could easily aim for the vocal range, but other than that it worked as advertised). Cheers, -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 02:22:40 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:22:40 -0700 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> Message-ID: Has anyone been able to get this cool looking rig up on a FireWire device? Any clear path hints on how to do it in KxStudio appreciated (without expectation) too. Cheerz, ~ Russell On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Angel de Vicente wrote: > Hi, > > Robin Gareus writes: >> Works here (via snd_aloop then zita-a2j to JACK). > > FWIW I also managed to get it to work nicely with Alsa in Xubuntu > 13.04. Managed to import an audio file, do the separation magic > (although this will require some time to get used to in order to > separate efficiently) and export the separated audio files back to two > .WAV files. > > Very nice indeed. I hope to use it to prepare songs for karaoke, by > removing the vocals. It would be nice if the graphs showed the frequency > values, so I could easily aim for the vocal range, but other than that > it worked as advertised). > > Cheers, > -- > ??ngel de Vicente > http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php > WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From angelv at iac.es Fri Oct 25 08:33:05 2013 From: angelv at iac.es (Angel de Vicente) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:33:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: (Russell Hanaghan's message of "Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:22:40 -0700") References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> Message-ID: Hi Russell, Russell Hanaghan writes: > Has anyone been able to get this cool looking rig up on a FireWire > device? I'm not following you here. I've never used FireWire, so perhaps I'm missing something, but FireWire is just like USB, right? just another way to transfer information from one device to another, so what do you mean by getting ISSE on a FireWire device? > Any clear path hints on how to do it in KxStudio appreciated > (without expectation) too. I haven't used KxStudio, but as far as I know it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 (not far from my own Xubuntu 13.04), so I don't think you should have much trouble getting it to work. Cheers, -- ??ngel de Vicente http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci?n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Oct 25 13:26:41 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:26:41 -0400 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Russell Hanaghan < hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone been able to get this cool looking rig up on a FireWire device? > Any clear path hints on how to do it in KxStudio appreciated (without > expectation) too. > Until very, very recently, JACK was the only way to do audio i/o on Linux via firewire devices. This is changing, but it is likely that on any given current distro, it is still the case that you would have to use JACK. Ergo, using ISSE on such a system is no more less than simply starting it up to use JACK, with JACK already running and using your firewire device. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 16:41:43 2013 From: hanaghan.osaudio at gmail.com (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:41:43 -0700 Subject: [LAU] new(ish?) open source source separation editor In-Reply-To: References: <526663BC.1030807@gareus.org> <52666E66.8050002@gareus.org> <526678D6.8080003@woh.rr.com> <52667A55.5090404@gareus.org> Message-ID: Thanks guys. It seemed folks were having trouble running it with jack. That was my reason for asking. Seemingly it would work with alsa. I'm yet to build and try it but will soon. Thanks! ~ Russell On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:26 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Russell Hanaghan wrote: >> Has anyone been able to get this cool looking rig up on a FireWire device? Any clear path hints on how to do it in KxStudio appreciated (without expectation) too. > > Until very, very recently, JACK was the only way to do audio i/o on Linux via firewire devices. This is changing, but it is likely that on any given current distro, it is still the case that you would have to use JACK. > > Ergo, using ISSE on such a system is no more less than simply starting it up to use JACK, with JACK already running and using your firewire device. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ico at vt.edu Fri Oct 25 23:18:18 2013 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Bukvic) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:18:18 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Linuxaudio.org server admin Message-ID: Dear fellow linux audio/multimedia enthusiasts, It's been some time since I officially addressed the entire la* community. This has been in great part because things just worked. Robin, who has in great part been the mastermind behind a number of initiatives currently being hosted on the lao server has officially stepped down a year ago (even though I still tend to bug him way too often ;-) as the sys admin and while we have a couple additional volunteers helping man the server, it appears that we really need someone who will step in just like Robin did to help me carry the burden of maintaining this huge ecosystem of sites and pages. More so, it appears that some pages have been covered with spam/non-working content, and given the current state of lack of adequate manpower to manage these, my immediate response is to shut down ladspavst page which is currently in an awful state of disrepair, filled with non-working content and spam. The very fact it's taken me this long to spot it speaks to the fact that I alone cannot keep up with everything that is happening on the site. This is particularly important because if this gets any further out of hand, the University may decide that the content hosted on these pages goes against the very grain of what a taxpayer-run site should be hosting and we may lose what has been so far a very generous no-limits hosting. To put this in perspective, we've been burning steadily 1-2TB per month. For this reason, in the interest of our great multi-site ecosystem, I will be pulling down any sites that are not actively maintained and that also have submitable user content (read: ability to receive unfiltered spam). If anyone wishes to step up and maintain any of these, in order to avoid any further mishaps like the one with ladspavst, I would like to propose that from now on all the admins submit monthly blurbs assuring me that everything is indeed being managed as it should be. This will certainly help avoid situations like the one currently with ladspavst which is also not the first time we've had problems with that site. I can and will gladly bat for us to get us more hosting space and processing power, but this will be heavily contingent on ensuring that our site is not hosting anything that is potentially offensive or outright inappropriate. This does not mean that we should not have passionate discussions on our mailing lists, but at the same time I think one would be hard-pressed to convince anyone that links to questionable chemical substances or worse yet inappropriate content is something that will help us continue to enjoy this wonderful service. You all have been a part of this wonderful community and you all have in many ways helped shape it into something truly amazing. Let's make sure that we don't lose this in this process. My hope is that we will keep most (all?) sites intact. But the reality is that we simply currently do not have the adequate manpower to maintain all of it. More so, the server has had its instabilities that we're trying to address and on top of that soon we'll be forced to upgrade to a new KVM system as our University's infrastructure transitions to its new and better iteration. 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URL: From lievenmoors at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 20:34:22 2013 From: lievenmoors at gmail.com (Lieven Moors) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:34:22 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] meters.lv2 v0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <87y562l393.fsf@josefk.localdomain> References: <525044A7.4060209@gareus.org> <5252861E.3000307@stackingdwarves.net> <5252FEA3.70104@gareus.org> <201310071559.58973.gheskett@wdtv.com> <525314B7.1050101@stackingdwarves.net> <52533209.8080308@gareus.org> <87y562l393.fsf@josefk.localdomain> Message-ID: <20131026203422.GA420@satellite> On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:15:36PM +0200, anders.vinjar at bek.no wrote: > >>>>> "R" == Robin Gareus: > > R> What I found interesting that it visualizes pretty much every > R> aspect of the sound: Stereo-phase (obviously), frequency > R> distribution (smooth vs jittery lines), amplitude per > R> channel,.. > > These kinds of visualisations are very useful for mono-sources as well > (just combing a signal with a delayed version of itself - ie. lagged > embedding) simultaneously providing visual info from sample- up to > (micro)phrase-level. Looking at the characteristics of the waveform > along with the amplitude - even the 'noise-character' of the reverb-tail > is displayed. > > I did a video once back in 1996 (on sgis, rendering frames for one full > week...) testing this approach: > http://users.notam02.no/~andersvi/works/OIOI/OIOI.avi (39Mb, music made > with CLM). Wow, that looks and sounds great. Well done... From djbarney at djbarney.org Sun Oct 27 15:40:35 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 15:40:35 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? (My blog post about Yoshimi drums) In-Reply-To: References: <20131016145733.13247c1tzqsflavx@server34.abstractdns.com> <20131016190113.44238trre9iqp75l@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <20131027154035.57726o5j7c3qcjjn@server34.abstractdns.com> Quoting Harry van Haaren : > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Barney Holmes wrote: > >> Hey, where do you play ? Do you mix records as well ? > > Currently not, I did used to have a set of Str8 150's, and was mad into > beat-juggling / turntablism stuff... back in my day ;-) > I've not performed much recently, but hope to change that once Luppp is > released... > > >> I'll put together a blog post/tutorial about this. [drum sound generation >> in Yoshimi]. >> > Looking forward to it! ... and here it is ! Generating Synthesised Drums and Percussion in Linux using Yoshimi or ZynAddSubFX http://djbarney.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/generating-synthesised-drums-and-percussion-in-linux-using-yoshimi Learnt something while I wrote it as well. Yoshimi and ZynAddSubFx can both use a specialised drum kit instrument, and there are more randomisations options I was not aware of. Now I need to look at other sequencers with better MIDI control of external synths. Ardour may do it or I'll look further afield. > > >> Is Lupp open source ? > > Yes, the new Luppp (as from video) will be released as open-source. > > Even if it does crash it might be wise to release anyway so you get >> testers/bug reporters. > > I've concidered it, and I'm currently asking a few "hardcore-testers" to > let me know what issues they're having. I'm recieving very useful feedback, > and implementing / fixing as much as I can. There's work to do yet. > > As for the actual release, I'm developing the new Luppp under OpenAV > productions, which uses a donation/time release system: > www.openavproductions.com/support > Lets keep in touch, and see where we can find our ideal workflows in the > coming weeks / months. > Cheers, -Harry > > PS: Jeremy, that's an awesome thread! I never knew it existed.. until now. > /me goes to read... > From umashanks at yahoo.com Sun Oct 27 15:55:01 2013 From: umashanks at yahoo.com (umashankar) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] pm to fons Message-ID: <1382889301.46714.YahooMailNeo@web125106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> dear fons. can you please get in touch? the email address I have for you bounces. umashankar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Sun Oct 27 22:15:23 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 22:15:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Little mellow Yoshimi DX improvisation In-Reply-To: <52698B9E.6070702@gmail.com> References: <52698B9E.6070702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131027221523.550ec245@debian> On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:05:34 +0200 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Just a little, mellow improvisation with yoshimi DX rhodes while testing > my E-MU midi-usb dongle with my ancient yamaha keyboard. No editing, > just recorded directly through jack... > > Dedicated with admiration and appreciation to all you sleepless open > source developers out there :-) > > http://lorenzosu.net/temp/yoshimi_dx_impro.ogg > > Good night, > Lorenzo. Nice little chill-out. Thanks. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From jamshark70 at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 01:03:33 2013 From: jamshark70 at gmail.com (James Harkins) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 01:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [LAU] editor for audiofile header? References: <5268E977.5050609@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Chris Bungue writes: > The wavefile is list with a tempo of 120,68 bpm in the in the pool from cubase, but I have recorded it with 84 bpm. AFAICS Cubase "guesses" the tempo based on the file's duration. It's a rather poor guess. Don't rely on Cubase's tempo "estimation" -- it might as well be random IMO. The point about float-vs-int files is quite true. hjh From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 08:53:22 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:53:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! Message-ID: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software on GNU/Linux. Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht www.magnetophon.nl Video clip Off The Chart: http://www.munk050.com/ The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: http://www.munk050.com/music/ Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks for your support! Munk! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 09:03:22 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:03:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Out Now: The Magnetophon Sessions, by Munk! In-Reply-To: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> References: <526E2602.5030109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <526E285A.3030801@gmail.com> On 10/28/2013 09:53 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Munk!, a jazz/ska/funk band from Groningen, The Netherlands, has > released an album made with free software, The Magnetophon Sessions. > > During the hot part of summer 2013, Munk! stayed at the cultural > freezone Landbouwbelang in Maastricht (The Netherlands) for a week and > recorded seven new tracks in the unique and inspiring studio > Magnetophon. During the recordings we played with the whole band at > once, to get the most musical results. All tracks are > one-take-recordings, no edits where made when mixing the album. > > The Magnetophon Sessions is produced with opensource and free software > on GNU/Linux. > Most notably: Ardour2 for recording and mixing, LADSPA plugins for > mixing, Gimp for graphics, Lives for video art. > > Recorded & mixed by Bart Brouns at Studio Magnetophon Maastricht > www.magnetophon.nl > > Video clip Off The Chart: > http://www.munk050.com/ > > The Magnetophon Sessions, music & artwork: > http://www.munk050.com/music/ > > Our advise on price for the digital download would be in the range of > 5 -- 10 euro, but there's no minimum or maximum, so feel free, thanks > for your support! > > Munk! > Uhm, giving the fact that I'm the bassist of the band Munk!, mission accomplished I would say! After all these years learning what is possible with linuxaudio, learning to work with the linuxaudio tools, lurking the mailinglist etc. it's done! An album made with 100% linuxaudio sofware :) The album is released with an CC license, so feel free to remix. If we like it we might share it as bonustrack on Bandcamp if that's ok with you. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ We're interested to play at LAC 2014 in Karlsruhe btw. Best regards, Dirk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From looplog at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 09:48:55 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:48:55 +0800 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot Message-ID: Must be that time of year again when slashdotters get a bee in their bonnet about how useless Linux is for audio production. Enter at your own risk... http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/10/27/0534248/ask-slashdot-best-cross-platform-linux-only-audio-software?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would be extremely > surprised if there are any serious audio professionals using Linux as a DAW. If you're serious at all about your music, you use OS X or Windows. That's > where the action is. Full stop. That's where the the real music software > will be found; nowhere else. Swallow your pride, choose one of those 2 > OS's, and get on with making music. I'm sorry, but Ardour is not "great". I believe in Linux and OSS, but if > you need to make a living in music or sound, you are not going to be using > Ardour. The music production community is always open to new technologies, > and if Ardour were anything like a professional-quality application, it > would be used... If you're a database programmer and want to play like > Jonathan Coulton in your spare time, then fine. You can make Ardour work > the same way you can use a folding camping shovel to dig a foundation. But > if you want to dig a lot of foundations, you're going to want to invest in > a back-hoe. 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So the only way to deal with this is using your time wisely (read: stay away from /.) and being bloody awesome :) Alexandre From looplog at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 10:10:56 2013 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:10:56 +0800 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com> wrote: > > As any reputation management consultant will tell you, you can only > deal with this sort of stuff by producing tons of amazing content. So > the only way to deal with this is using your time wisely (read: stay > away from /.) and being bloody awesome :) > > Alexandre > I do try to stay away for just that reason, but every now and then I check in. When will I learn... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From djbarney at djbarney.org Mon Oct 28 12:24:09 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:24:09 +0000 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131028122409.63983qd80fg3oind@server34.abstractdns.com> Quoting Brett McCoy : > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 AM, michael noble wrote: >> Must be that time of year again when slashdotters get a bee in their bonnet >> about how useless Linux is for audio production. Enter at your own risk... >> >> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/10/27/0534248/ask-slashdot-best-cross-platform-linux-only-audio-software?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed > > Ha, I stopped reading /. a long time ago. I can see not much has changed... > Same here. It seemed to turn into a cynicism fest in many circumstances. If this kind of post (no I didn?t go in, I have enough anger already) is anything special or just the usual I don't know. However there is a HUGE watershed going on at the moment that undoubtedly is spilling well beyond the borders of open source land. Something extraordinary IS happening and I don't see why anyone should be embarrassed about giving themselves a pat on the back or even getting others to pat them on that back ! An enormous amount of work by thousands upon thousands is paying off. The fruits started happening with Android, despite proprietary drivers (if Google had refused that none of the mobile phone manufactures would have even used Android!), then Ubuntu, as well as the less visible internet servers and embedded technologies. But the one that takes the biscuit for me is Steam announcing SteamOS. This is going to be a huge change in what has been a long standing corporate culture of Microsoft/Nvidia/Intel. Video games are the quintessential example of the Real Time application. Graphics and sound all running as a real time application. There's hints of where this is going in things like the 3D synth by Robert Gareus. Look at the 3D menu / interface that you can spin around in Borderlands 2. It amazes me that we are not already using 3D window managers and are still stuck in static 2D land (go ask Ted Nelson about that). Where does this take Linux Audio Users ? Well the future is bright. What's over that horizon ? I've been looking at Blender Game Engine for doing VJ visuals (it can play full frame video within the game engine and spin that around a'la a high end vision mixing desk). Combined with sound who knows what kind of 3D dynamic sound mixing environments could be created ? So Linux bashing, go easy on them. DJ Barney > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, > it would overturn the world." > -- Jelaleddin Rumi > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 28 14:42:55 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:42:55 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday 28 October 2013 10:22:21 michael noble did opine: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < > > alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com> wrote: > > As any reputation management consultant will tell you, you can only > > deal with this sort of stuff by producing tons of amazing content. So > > the only way to deal with this is using your time wisely (read: stay > > away from /.) and being bloody awesome :) > > > > Alexandre > > I do try to stay away for just that reason, but every now and then I > check in. When will I learn... I think I need to throw out that I do read /., and even post occasionally. But one of my goto guys when I have a problem also plays a pretty mean axe or guitar, and is fluent in both linux and windows. His management/editing/live session software when he is doing the majority of such himself, like for some background for a commercial being produced inhouse at the tv station, is Symphony. I am not personally all that musically inclined, so I don't have an opinion. What little I've done, and none in the last 5 years, such as clipping a pop out of a digitized record, has been done with the linux tools available at the time. The only windows allowed on the premises here are made of glass or delrin. But that thread on /. is best countered by quoting what you used, and a URL to the best of what you've done. I have found some right ear pleasing stuff that way, and the underlying os really is a never mind. Because IMNSHO, the os doesn't matter, its the talent and knowledge of the tool that counts. And linux seems to be blessed with more than enough of that to win most of these fan boy shootouts. So don't run for the exits, play your best stuff instead. In other words, bring enough gun. IMO we do have enough gun. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Chemicals, n.: Noxious substances from which modern foods are made. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 28 15:05:55 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:05:55 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028122409.63983qd80fg3oind@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <20131028122409.63983qd80fg3oind@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday 28 October 2013 10:44:40 Barney Holmes did opine: > Quoting Brett McCoy : > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 AM, michael noble wrote: > >> Must be that time of year again when slashdotters get a bee in their > >> bonnet about how useless Linux is for audio production. Enter at > >> your own risk... > >> > >> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/10/27/0534248/ask-slashdot-best-cros > >> s-platform-linux-only-audio-software?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&ut > >> m_medium=feed > > > > Ha, I stopped reading /. a long time ago. I can see not much has > > changed... > > Same here. It seemed to turn into a cynicism fest in many > circumstances. If this kind of post (no I didn?t go in, I have enough > anger already) is anything special or just the usual I don't know. > However there is a HUGE watershed going on at the moment that > undoubtedly is spilling well beyond the borders of open source land. > Something extraordinary IS happening and I don't see why anyone should > be embarrassed about giving themselves a pat on the back or even > getting others to pat them on that back ! An enormous amount of work > by thousands upon thousands is paying off. The fruits started > happening with Android, despite proprietary drivers (if Google had > refused that none of the mobile phone manufactures would have even > used Android!), then Ubuntu, as well as the less visible internet > servers and embedded technologies. But the one that takes the biscuit > for me is Steam announcing SteamOS. This is going to be a huge change > in what has been a long standing corporate culture of > Microsoft/Nvidia/Intel. Video games are the quintessential example of > the Real Time application. Graphics and sound all running as a real > time application. There's hints of where this is going in things like > the 3D synth by Robert Gareus. Look at the 3D menu / interface that > you can spin around in Borderlands 2. It amazes me that we are not > already using 3D window managers and are still stuck in static 2D land > (go ask Ted Nelson about that). > > Where does this take Linux Audio Users ? Well the future is bright. > What's over that horizon ? I've been looking at Blender Game Engine > for doing VJ visuals (it can play full frame video within the game > engine and spin that around a'la a high end vision mixing desk). > Combined with sound who knows what kind of 3D dynamic sound mixing > environments could be created ? > > So Linux bashing, go easy on them. > > DJ Barney I have not yet looked at SteamOS, but you are claiming realtime for it. That pulls my curiosity trigger because one of my hobbies is CNC machinery, and its realtime demands are far more stringent than some .1 millisecond accurate audio delivery. Currently we are running linuxcnc on 2.6.32-122-RTAI, but that RTAI patch is invasive as hell, and extremely difficult to apply to a newer kernel, so we are running on Ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS yet, with an occasional hiccup at other functions. If SteamOS is claiming real time, just how "realtime" is it? We need to have an I/O heartbeat running at a 20 to 25 u-sec rate, with not over a 3 u-sec jitter in that timing to run well. Currently the intel atom based boards are the goto boards for that, but we could sure use some additional iron in the mix, which oddly, seems to point toward the BeagleBoneBlack because of its bank of programmable realtime units (PRU's) and a true feast of I/O pin availability that can serve as the step pulse generators. I have an old HP box with a 1 Ghz athlon in it that could serve as a proof of concept box if this is downloadable and buildable on it. So, what say you that have tasted this? Thanks. > > > -- > > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge > > it, it would overturn the world." > > > > -- Jelaleddin Rumi > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Immanuel Kant but Kubla Khan. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From jh at brainiac.com Mon Oct 28 15:07:32 2013 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:07:32 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:42:55 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 28 October 2013 10:22:21 michael noble did opine: > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < > > > > alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com> wrote: > > > As any reputation management consultant will tell you, you can only > > > deal with this sort of stuff by producing tons of amazing content. So > > > the only way to deal with this is using your time wisely (read: stay > > > away from /.) and being bloody awesome :) > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > I do try to stay away for just that reason, but every now and then I > > check in. When will I learn... The derp is definitely flying there. I saw a guy's ProTools rig under windows go down in flames last week at a live show. Didn't affect the show, but it definitely hosed the recording of a couple of songs while he did a hard boot and reloaded the environment. The fact is that all systems and platforms are fallible, and the people *screaming* about how bad Linux is seem to have blinders on about everything except their chosen platform. There's more derp about how Ardour isn't free unless you build it from source, completely ignoring all the distros that include a package for it. Even more derp about how Ardour sucks and can't possibly be used by serious professionals, and how you can't exchange sessions with other DAWs. I don't see a great deal of exchange between big players like ProTools and Cubase or Reaper or Ableton or.. or... that's why people do stem exports, and oh, hey, look over here under the File menu - there's an option for stem exports. I just sent tracks I recorded with Ardour to another engineer for mixing, and the stem export did just what we needed it to. Sadly, the screaming derpers drown out the people who are there to say it's working for them. Slashdot never changes, does it? -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 15:10:31 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:10:31 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: > Even more derp about how Ardour sucks and can't possibly be used by > serious professionals, and how you can't exchange sessions with other DAWs. > I don't see a great deal of exchange between big players like ProTools and > Cubase or Reaper or Ableton or.. or... that's why people do stem exports, and > oh, hey, look over here under the File menu - there's an option for stem > exports. I just sent tracks I recorded with Ardour to another engineer for > mixing, and the stem export did just what we needed it to. If exchanging sessions between different were that painless, why is there stuff like AATranslator? Oh hey look, it supports Ardour and Mixbus! -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 28 15:13:29 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:13:29 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <20131028122409.63983qd80fg3oind@server34.abstractdns.com> <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > I have not yet looked at SteamOS, but you are claiming realtime for it. > That pulls my curiosity trigger because one of my hobbies is CNC > machinery, and its realtime demands are far more stringent than some .1 > millisecond accurate audio delivery. Currently we are running linuxcnc on > 2.6.32-122-RTAI, but that RTAI patch is invasive as hell, [ ... ] > > If SteamOS is claiming real time, just how "realtime" is it? > There is no comparing even the RT kernel with RTAI. They are totally different conceptions. RTAI is basically a microkernel that runs a normal kernel as a client. It requires drivers for every device that is included in "realtime land" (i.e. for audio, you cannot use ALSA, you would need new drivers that run in the RT executive. SteamOS *might* use the RT kernel, but I'd be incredibly surprised if they even considered RTAI. --p (disclaimer: i haven't looked at RTAI for quite a long time, things might have changed) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rustys.lists at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 15:36:43 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:36:43 -0700 Subject: [LAU] new music--constructive criticism appreciated Message-ID: Hi folks! I'm working on a project. I'd like your constructive criticism on this track, just to make sure I'm headed in a good direction. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/DoTheyKnowItsChristmas_1.mp3 There will almost certainly be no retakes, but besides that, any commentary on eq or level or compression or effects or what ever would be appreciated. Or what's your over all impression? This will be the first time I've mixed an entire collection of music for myself so I'm a bit nervous and would like to get your take. Thanks! Rusty From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 15:49:51 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:49:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <20131028122409.63983qd80fg3oind@server34.abstractdns.com> <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <526E879F.5050903@gmail.com> I can't bother reading the discussion. (it's automn on my side of earth: enough natural bitterdom among my people already) But I really liked that advice "any reputation consultant would give". It's like Buckminster Fuller said: "you do not change the system by fighting it. To change the system, make a new one, that turns the old system irrelevant". I've withnessed alot of friends going linux lately. They buy a new computer, but put ubuntustudio on the old, and eventualy stay there :) Thats probably a good reason for old grumpy cats to get worried about their position on their dictated wrong-vs-right scale, and rant about how their expensive software was worth becoming a paranoid pirate or a grumpy broka-A**. :D Being bitter is a good way to develope premature elderdom, fantasy-freeze and also depression. So let them rant, it will come back to them. :D Meanwhile! Let's produce some kickass music!!!! <3 On 2013-10-28 16:05, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 28 October 2013 10:44:40 Barney Holmes did opine: > >> Quoting Brett McCoy : >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 AM, michael noble > wrote: >>>> Must be that time of year again when slashdotters get a bee in their >>>> bonnet about how useless Linux is for audio production. Enter at >>>> your own risk... >>>> >>>> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/10/27/0534248/ask-slashdot-best-cros >>>> s-platform-linux-only-audio-software?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&ut >>>> m_medium=feed >>> >>> Ha, I stopped reading /. a long time ago. I can see not much has >>> changed... >> >> Same here. It seemed to turn into a cynicism fest in many >> circumstances. If this kind of post (no I didn?t go in, I have enough >> anger already) is anything special or just the usual I don't know. >> However there is a HUGE watershed going on at the moment that >> undoubtedly is spilling well beyond the borders of open source land. >> Something extraordinary IS happening and I don't see why anyone should >> be embarrassed about giving themselves a pat on the back or even >> getting others to pat them on that back ! An enormous amount of work >> by thousands upon thousands is paying off. The fruits started >> happening with Android, despite proprietary drivers (if Google had >> refused that none of the mobile phone manufactures would have even >> used Android!), then Ubuntu, as well as the less visible internet >> servers and embedded technologies. But the one that takes the biscuit >> for me is Steam announcing SteamOS. This is going to be a huge change >> in what has been a long standing corporate culture of >> Microsoft/Nvidia/Intel. Video games are the quintessential example of >> the Real Time application. Graphics and sound all running as a real >> time application. There's hints of where this is going in things like >> the 3D synth by Robert Gareus. Look at the 3D menu / interface that >> you can spin around in Borderlands 2. It amazes me that we are not >> already using 3D window managers and are still stuck in static 2D land >> (go ask Ted Nelson about that). >> >> Where does this take Linux Audio Users ? Well the future is bright. >> What's over that horizon ? I've been looking at Blender Game Engine >> for doing VJ visuals (it can play full frame video within the game >> engine and spin that around a'la a high end vision mixing desk). >> Combined with sound who knows what kind of 3D dynamic sound mixing >> environments could be created ? >> >> So Linux bashing, go easy on them. >> >> DJ Barney > > I have not yet looked at SteamOS, but you are claiming realtime for it. > That pulls my curiosity trigger because one of my hobbies is CNC > machinery, and its realtime demands are far more stringent than some .1 > millisecond accurate audio delivery. Currently we are running linuxcnc on > 2.6.32-122-RTAI, but that RTAI patch is invasive as hell, and extremely > difficult to apply to a newer kernel, so we are running on Ubuntu-10.04.4 > LTS yet, with an occasional hiccup at other functions. > > If SteamOS is claiming real time, just how "realtime" is it? We need to > have an I/O heartbeat running at a 20 to 25 u-sec rate, with not over a 3 > u-sec jitter in that timing to run well. Currently the intel atom based > boards are the goto boards for that, but we could sure use some additional > iron in the mix, which oddly, seems to point toward the BeagleBoneBlack > because of its bank of programmable realtime units (PRU's) and a true feast > of I/O pin availability that can serve as the step pulse generators. > > I have an old HP box with a 1 Ghz athlon in it that could serve as a proof > of concept box if this is downloadable and buildable on it. > So, what say you that have tasted this? > > Thanks. >> >>> -- >>> Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge >>> it, it would overturn the world." >>> >>> -- Jelaleddin Rumi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > Cheers, Gene > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 16:07:07 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:07:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] new music--constructive criticism appreciated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526E8BAB.802@gmail.com> Hi! Since i only have access to a pretty lo-fi soundsystem ATM, I'll be your "kitchen blaster" tester :) Sounds all good! i'm not an expert in accoustic guitar sounds. But i enjoy the balance between guitar, vox and bass. The cajon (drum?) is missing midtones thou. I wish the flat hand or, the "snare", would have more "corps" (is it called formants? :D) I feel it's a bit flat in the sense that it dosent really include any of the woods timbre (i am assuming it's a wood cajon) and soudns a bit flat and paperish. But rememeber: my sound system ATM is a modern kitchen radio - baaaad - :) And since overall it sounds good, i think you are very close to *success-mode* Have a good week! *set On 2013-10-28 16:36, Rusty Perez wrote: > Hi folks! > I'm working on a project. > I'd like your constructive criticism on this track, just to make sure > I'm headed in a good direction. > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/DoTheyKnowItsChristmas_1.mp3 > > > There will almost certainly be no retakes, but besides that, any > commentary on eq or level or compression or effects or what ever would > be appreciated. > Or what's your over all impression? > > This will be the first time I've mixed an entire collection of music > for myself so I'm a bit nervous and would like to get your take. > Thanks! > Rusty > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Oct 28 16:51:15 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:51:15 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday 28 October 2013 12:33:34 Paul Davis did opine: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I have not yet looked at SteamOS, but you are claiming realtime for > > it. That pulls my curiosity trigger because one of my hobbies is CNC > > machinery, and its realtime demands are far more stringent than some > > .1 millisecond accurate audio delivery. Currently we are running > > linuxcnc on 2.6.32-122-RTAI, but that RTAI patch is invasive as hell, > > [ ... ] > > > > If SteamOS is claiming real time, just how "realtime" is it? > > There is no comparing even the RT kernel with RTAI. They are totally > different conceptions. RTAI is basically a microkernel that runs a > normal kernel as a client. It requires drivers for every device that is > included in "realtime land" (i.e. for audio, you cannot use ALSA, you > would need new drivers that run in the RT executive. > > SteamOS *might* use the RT kernel, but I'd be incredibly surprised if > they even considered RTAI. Thats what I was thinking too. There is another patch set we have used experimentally that seems almost as good, the Xenomai branch and some of the guys who are running servo only systems are quite enthusiastic about it. Servo systems aren't as sensitive to stumbles in the stepper rates, generally tolerating millisecond response times fairly well. My experiences with the earlier versions of the RT patch set were less than satisfactory, but that was 6 or 7 years ago. The first thing it did was kill tvtime, but now we're all digital here in the states so its Kaffeine to the rescue, but I've not a clue if it works with the current RT kit. Have any of you played with the Xenomai patches for your audio work? Thanks Paul. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system. -- Linus Torvalds A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From rustys.lists at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 16:53:24 2013 From: rustys.lists at gmail.com (Rusty Perez) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:53:24 -0700 Subject: [LAU] new music--constructive criticism appreciated In-Reply-To: <526E8BAB.802@gmail.com> References: <526E8BAB.802@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you set! Duely noted I think that the cajon could use a little more wood. I'll do my best. Thanks! Rusty On 10/28/13, Set Hallstrom wrote: > Hi! > > Since i only have access to a pretty lo-fi soundsystem ATM, I'll be your > "kitchen blaster" tester :) > > Sounds all good! i'm not an expert in accoustic guitar sounds. But i > enjoy the balance between guitar, vox and bass. > > The cajon (drum?) is missing midtones thou. I wish the flat hand or, the > "snare", would have more "corps" (is it called formants? :D) I feel it's > a bit flat in the sense that it dosent really include any of the woods > timbre (i am assuming it's a wood cajon) and soudns a bit flat and > paperish. > > But rememeber: my sound system ATM is a modern kitchen radio - baaaad - > :) And since overall it sounds good, i think you are very close to > *success-mode* > > Have a good week! > > *set > > > On 2013-10-28 16:36, Rusty Perez wrote: >> Hi folks! >> I'm working on a project. >> I'd like your constructive criticism on this track, just to make sure >> I'm headed in a good direction. >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30068518/DoTheyKnowItsChristmas_1.mp3 >> >> >> There will almost certainly be no retakes, but besides that, any >> commentary on eq or level or compression or effects or what ever would >> be appreciated. >> Or what's your over all impression? >> >> This will be the first time I've mixed an entire collection of music >> for myself so I'm a bit nervous and would like to get your take. >> Thanks! >> Rusty >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > -- > Set Hallstrom > AKA Sakrecoer > http://sakrecoer.com > > > WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance > systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications > are worth humanity. > > Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. > Privacy is found under the cloaks. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 17:05:58 2013 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:05:58 +0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: I read it. The problem is that genuine problems are mixed in with misunderstanding and things taken out of context. No doubt, Linux Audio world is very much distinct from Windows and OS X. I think real bitter feelings arise from people who came over to Linux because of ideological reasons and not because Linux works better for them from a technological point of view. And thus they are torn apart by their longing for a system that would work for them and their ideology, according to which all things proprietary are evil, etc. I can see some of that in that thread. L.V. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at mail.upb.de Mon Oct 28 17:21:43 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:21:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [nama] new music--constructive criticism appreciated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello rusty! Very well done! I'd perhaps suggest taking the bass down a notch and spreading the backing vocals a little more in the stereo panorama and adding a touch more reverb to them. But the overall sound is clear, direct and powerful. Good work! Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/ From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Mon Oct 28 17:59:44 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:59:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <20131028175944.6780df3f@debian> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:05:58 +0400 Louigi Verona wrote: > I read it. > > The problem is that genuine problems are mixed in with misunderstanding and > things taken out of context. > No doubt, Linux Audio world is very much distinct from Windows and OS X. > > I think real bitter feelings arise from people who came over to Linux > because of ideological reasons and not > because Linux works better for them from a technological point of view. And > thus they are torn apart by > their longing for a system that would work for them and their ideology, > according to which all things > proprietary are evil, etc. I can see some of that in that thread. > > L.V. I've put my own comment on there, basically saying that *any* OS is quite capable and that you don't need the best, most expensive kit to make good music. No replies so far :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From brent at village.keycorner.org Mon Oct 28 19:13:40 2013 From: brent at village.keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:13:40 -0500 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> I wonder if any of the people flaming Linux pro audio have even tried it any time in the last four years -- the improvements just recently have been amazing. Regarding Ardour, I wouldn't be that surprised if they hadn't tried it since Ardour 2.x and Jack 1. I really couldn't ask for more in a DAW than its current state. Where I do get envious of the Mac/Windows world sometimes is some of their plugins for simulating certain colorations. Universal Audio has very intersting plugins for emulating tape saturation, classic mixer console channel strips, and the Roland Dimension D rackmount chorus. They require hardware acceleration from a special DSP (available either in a PCI card or an external firewire box), and thus probably a special driver -- an even bigger barrier to Linux compatibility than the programs themselves. But these UA plugins really do get me drooling... Izotope Ozone's mastering suite is something else we don't have anything in the ballpark of. I don't know if it would be possible to run something that big under Wine with WineASIO or not. It's quite a large set of applications. Anyway, despite all this, I'm not planning on leaving Linux. It's currently giving me far more than I had when I started (in the era of tape and hardware sequencing), and it's getting better every year. -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 19:14:01 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:14:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 21:05 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: > The problem is that genuine problems are mixed in with > misunderstanding and things taken out of context. > > No doubt, Linux Audio world is very much distinct from Windows and OS > X. There is something absolutely equal for all of them, OS X, Windows and Linux, they all need a computer. Much of today's rock music is made on analog equipment again. Visit a friends site, not a musician, he writes about music http://www.cosmiclava.com/ . Write to the bands he's writing about and ask them what they use to produce their music. Most use analog tapes, real Mellotrons etc.. Sure, sometimes it's just hype, you don't need an Orange amp, there are other good amps too, anyway, many are open minded, are comfortable with averaged Marshall amps etc. and really, really tried to use the computer for production, but it simply doesn't provide the wanted results. There still are some young, real rock musicians making a living from their music, don't think of all that crap like Metallica, Red Hot Chilly Pappers etc. who don't have any talent for real rock'n'roll. You can't sound like the MC5, Jimi Hendrix, Roky Erickson, old Hawkwind etc. pp. using virtual amps, an OS X, Windows or Linux wha-wha, even a Morley isn't a Cry Baby, perhaps a Ibanez Blubber can replace a Cry Baby. Doing the recording with a hard disc recorder also has got drawbacks, but some young musicians like this real rock'n'roll sound. Not my 2 cents, an objective study. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 19:19:11 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:19:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> Message-ID: <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 14:13 -0500, Brent Busby wrote: > Universal Audio has very intersting plugins for emulating tape > saturation A real tape has got real tape saturation. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 19:28:07 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:28:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> Recording an album is good possible on Linux. It's far more problematic to compose music (both by music notation and MIDI) on Linux, MIDI tools is the neglected child here. Ardour3 has MIDI, but there're debates how useful it is atm. Ardour is focusing on audio engineering, so you probably shouldn't expect it to get comparable results as you'll get on other platforms. Qtractor is more mature, but is lacking stuff like Jack Midi and also the busses system is a bit strange imho. I've little experience with Muse2, but it is pretty mature if I believe the stories. It doesn't have a very inspiring GUI though. Moreover, small issues are the biggest problems on linuxaudio for a good workflow. If you're unlucky you're more busy reporting issues then making music. As mentioned before, the NON tools + Carla, are making things much better for me. But also here non-sequencer is less mature then non-timeline and non-mixer. Laborejo is promising when working with notation but also lacking matureness and features. Regards, \r From brent at village.keycorner.org Mon Oct 28 19:36:04 2013 From: brent at village.keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:36:04 -0500 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131028193604.GB23669@village.keycorner.org> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > A real tape has got real tape saturation. Good point! Unfortunately, while I do tend to record hardware effects when I'm tracking (and put the effects outputs on separate tracks so they can be blended freely later), the problem is that if I need to do more afterward, it gets hard to make myself bounce out to the hardware world again. Once it's in the computer, I'm in a world of plugins...so lazy I am. :) But yes, I suppose you can get that from a real tape deck. I might mention though that the UA plugins emulate a Studer deck...something I certainly will never own or want to take care of. Next you're going to tell me that if I want to write messages to people, I can do that with paper and pencil! (omg...I can! I really can!) -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 19:36:37 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:36:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> right on! actualy, record to a simple and cheap-o cassette tape sliiiiiighlty in the red, and then record it back to digital, compress it with a nice calf plugin and voila: you have now your own unique and really good UA-sound-a-like tape-dirt. <3 On 2013-10-28 20:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 14:13 -0500, Brent Busby wrote: >> Universal Audio has very intersting plugins for emulating tape >> saturation > > A real tape has got real tape saturation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 19:37:37 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:37:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382989057.2310.28.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:28 +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Recording an album is good possible on Linux. It's far more problematic > to compose music (both by music notation and MIDI) on Linux, MIDI tools > is the neglected child here. > > Ardour3 has MIDI, but there're debates how useful it is atm. Ardour is > focusing on audio engineering, so you probably shouldn't expect it to > get comparable results as you'll get on other platforms. > > Qtractor is more mature, but is lacking stuff like Jack Midi and also > the busses system is a bit strange imho. > > I've little experience with Muse2, but it is pretty mature if I believe > the stories. It doesn't have a very inspiring GUI though. > > Moreover, small issues are the biggest problems on linuxaudio for a good > workflow. If you're unlucky you're more busy reporting issues then > making music. > > As mentioned before, the NON tools + Carla, are making things much > better for me. But also here non-sequencer is less mature then > non-timeline and non-mixer. Laborejo is promising when working with > notation but also lacking matureness and features. I completely agree with this for MIDI music. Qtractor is amazing for MIDI, but bad for hard disc recording. Ardour is good for hard disc recording, but bad for MIDI. I don't care. $ sudo pacman -Syu [snip] warning: ardour: ignoring package upgrade (2.8.16-1 => 3.5.14-1) [snip] But indeed, some only want it all in one application and other OS do provide it. Again, I don't care about it, I can live with it, while I prefer myself one app for all. But it's not fair to bash the musicians who are comfortable with other OS and who can't use Linux for their needs. And we still have all those driver issues. We are computer nerds + musicians and can live with the driver issues, an averaged musician is a musician and not a computer nerd. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 28 19:38:11 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:38:11 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM, rosea.grammostola < rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote: > Recording an album is good possible on Linux. It's far more problematic to > compose music (both by music notation and MIDI) on Linux, MIDI tools is the > neglected child here. > > Ardour3 has MIDI, but there're debates how useful it is atm. 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I really can!) > Pardon me sliding off topic and injecting a little love story in this thread :D Do not underestimate the power of pencil and paper in letters. :) If you ever fall in love with someone born in the 90's, try it out and add a drop of perfume on it ;) The effect is no garantee for a happy love affair. But you will be remembered!!! Big time!!! <3 99% of all 1990's kids have never recieved a love letter on paper. :) -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 19:41:38 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:41:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:36 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > right on! actualy, record to a simple and cheap-o cassette tape > sliiiiiighlty in the red, and then record it back to digital, compress > it with a nice calf plugin and voila: you have now your own unique and > really good UA-sound-a-like tape-dirt. <3 + the low sound quality of a cassette recorder + a process that is time consuming and can't be done if you make a living from music. There are really god reasons why those musicians and engineers prefer old faithful analog studios. > > On 2013-10-28 20:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 14:13 -0500, Brent Busby wrote: > >> Universal Audio has very intersting plugins for emulating tape > >> saturation > > > > A real tape has got real tape saturation. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > From brent at village.keycorner.org Mon Oct 28 19:42:06 2013 From: brent at village.keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:42:06 -0500 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131028194206.GC23669@village.keycorner.org> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 08:28:07PM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Recording an album is good possible on Linux. It's far more > problematic to compose music (both by music notation and MIDI) on > Linux, MIDI tools is the neglected child here. > > Ardour3 has MIDI, but there're debates how useful it is atm. Ardour is > focusing on audio engineering, so you probably shouldn't expect it to > get comparable results as you'll get on other platforms. I use Muse for sequencing...no complaints. There's no reason the DAW has to also be the sequencer. -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 19:46:47 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:46:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028194206.GC23669@village.keycorner.org> References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> <20131028194206.GC23669@village.keycorner.org> Message-ID: <1382989607.2310.33.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 14:42 -0500, Brent Busby wrote: > There's no reason the DAW has to also be the sequencer. Correct, I synced the C64 by click and the Atari ST by SMPTE to analog gear. But wouldn't it be wonderful to have it all in one application instead of running Qtractor or Muse and Ardour? From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 19:47:08 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:47:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBDEB.9070801@gmail.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <20131028193604.GB23669@village.keycorner.org> <526EBDEB.9070801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <526EBF3C.50602@gmail.com> To bring it back ON-topic. > Do not underestimate the power of pencil and paper in letters. :) This can also be very true when looking for a record deal... but have a little research about the targeted-company before adding the perfume drop :D ;) On 2013-10-28 20:41, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > > On 2013-10-28 20:36, Brent Busby wrote: > >> Next you're going to tell me that if I want to write messages to people, >> I can do that with paper and pencil! (omg...I can! I really can!) >> > > Pardon me sliding off topic and injecting a little love story in this > thread :D > > Do not underestimate the power of pencil and paper in letters. :) If you > ever fall in love with someone born in the 90's, try it out and add a > drop of perfume on it ;) The effect is no garantee for a happy love > affair. But you will be remembered!!! Big time!!! <3 > > 99% of all 1990's kids have never recieved a love letter on paper. :) > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 19:48:12 2013 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:48:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201310281251.15688.gheskett@wdtv.com> <1382987641.2310.20.camel@archlinux> <526EBAC7.1000808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <526EBF7C.3010802@gmail.com> On 10/28/2013 08:38 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM, rosea.grammostola > > wrote: > > Recording an album is good possible on Linux. It's far more > problematic to compose music (both by music notation and MIDI) on > Linux, MIDI tools is the neglected child here. > > Ardour3 has MIDI, but there're debates how useful it is atm. > Ardour is focusing on audio engineering, so you probably shouldn't > expect it to get comparable results as you'll get on other platforms. > > > you will see focus return to MIDI in ardour3 within a couple of > months. and i absolutely intend for it be comparable to "other platforms". > Good to know, thx for clarifying. \r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 19:50:34 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:50:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBF3C.50602@gmail.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <20131028193604.GB23669@village.keycorner.org> <526EBDEB.9070801@gmail.com> <526EBF3C.50602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382989834.2310.35.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:47 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > To bring it back ON-topic. > > > Do not underestimate the power of pencil and paper in letters. :) > > This can also be very true when looking for a record deal... but have a > little research about the targeted-company before adding the perfume > drop :D ;) :D Btw. compare the lettering for a comic by an artist, with the lettering done by somebody using a computer. From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 19:53:36 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:53:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> Agreed, backed-up and fully understood. Althought, for honesty's sake, i have a very different philosophical approach to the corelation between: money, time, energy and quality products. *Set On 2013-10-28 20:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:36 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: >> right on! actualy, record to a simple and cheap-o cassette tape >> sliiiiiighlty in the red, and then record it back to digital, compress >> it with a nice calf plugin and voila: you have now your own unique and >> really good UA-sound-a-like tape-dirt. <3 > > + the low sound quality of a cassette recorder + a process that is time > consuming and can't be done if you make a living from music. > > There are really god reasons why those musicians and engineers prefer > old faithful analog studios. > >> >> On 2013-10-28 20:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 14:13 -0500, Brent Busby wrote: >>>> Universal Audio has very intersting plugins for emulating tape >>>> saturation >>> >>> A real tape has got real tape saturation. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 20:01:06 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:01:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:53 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > Althought, for honesty's sake, i have a very different philosophical > approach to the corelation between: money, time, energy and quality > products. I _allow_ myself not to work as audio and video engineer and not to work as musician anymore. For good reasons I made it a spare time job some years ago. ;) From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Mon Oct 28 20:07:55 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:07:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:01:06 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:53 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > Althought, for honesty's sake, i have a very different philosophical > > approach to the corelation between: money, time, energy and quality > > products. > > I _allow_ myself not to work as audio and video engineer and not to work > as musician anymore. For good reasons I made it a spare time job some > years ago. ;) > I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 28 20:23:19 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:23:19 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > > I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* > enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. > not necessarily :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 20:24:41 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:24:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:07 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:01:06 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:53 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > > Althought, for honesty's sake, i have a very different philosophical > > > approach to the corelation between: money, time, energy and quality > > > products. > > > > I _allow_ myself not to work as audio and video engineer and not to work > > as musician anymore. For good reasons I made it a spare time job some > > years ago. ;) > > > I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* > enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. Hopefully he is mistaken. Today I try to work for child care, making music, drawing etc.. Nobody who dislike it, should care for children. However, I fear ... and I really fear it ... your father is right. But what job should sensitive humans do to own some money for a living? Should we work as war lords? From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 20:30:01 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:30:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <526EC949.6010109@gmail.com> On 2013-10-28 21:24, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:07 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:01:06 +0100 >> Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:53 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: >>>> Althought, for honesty's sake, i have a very different philosophical >>>> approach to the corelation between: money, time, energy and quality >>>> products. >>> >>> I _allow_ myself not to work as audio and video engineer and not to work >>> as musician anymore. For good reasons I made it a spare time job some >>> years ago. ;) >>> >> I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* >> enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. > > Hopefully he is mistaken. Today I try to work for child care, making > music, drawing etc.. Nobody who dislike it, should care for children. > However, I fear ... and I really fear it ... your father is right. > > But what job should sensitive humans do to own some money for a living? > Should we work as war lords? > I think any work that is somewhat ethic, and allow a _lot_ of spare-time. That's how i roll: max 60 h/week for food and shelter + tools. Spend the spare-time on a creative passion or outlet can considerably reduce expenses. <3 > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From sakrecoer at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 20:34:23 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:34:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EC949.6010109@gmail.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> <526EC949.6010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <526ECA4F.2030803@gmail.com> hrm... yeah sure 60 h/week :D no... more like 60% of 40hours weeks :D On 2013-10-28 21:30, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > > On 2013-10-28 21:24, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:07 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: >>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:01:06 +0100 >>> Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:53 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: >>>>> Althought, for honesty's sake, i have a very different philosophical >>>>> approach to the corelation between: money, time, energy and quality >>>>> products. >>>> >>>> I _allow_ myself not to work as audio and video engineer and not to work >>>> as musician anymore. For good reasons I made it a spare time job some >>>> years ago. ;) >>>> >>> I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* >>> enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. >> >> Hopefully he is mistaken. Today I try to work for child care, making >> music, drawing etc.. Nobody who dislike it, should care for children. >> However, I fear ... and I really fear it ... your father is right. >> >> But what job should sensitive humans do to own some money for a living? >> Should we work as war lords? >> > > I think any work that is somewhat ethic, and allow a _lot_ of > spare-time. That's how i roll: max 60 h/week for food and shelter + tools. > > Spend the spare-time on a creative passion or outlet can considerably > reduce expenses. <3 > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com WARNING: Remember clear-text email is subject to mass surveillance systems. Alone this information is useless. Our summed communications are worth humanity. Please keep in mind Internet is a boulevard in a crowded virtual city. Privacy is found under the cloaks. From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 20:47:38 2013 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:47:38 +0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: Those guys should check out my album, this is exactly why I made it - to promote Linux Audio and to show that you can do this kind of music on it: http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=another_reality -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From len at ovenwerks.net Mon Oct 28 20:42:32 2013 From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* >> enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. > > Hopefully he is mistaken. Today I try to work for child care, making > music, drawing etc.. Nobody who dislike it, should care for children. > However, I fear ... and I really fear it ... your father is right. > > But what job should sensitive humans do to own some money for a living? > Should we work as war lords? I work as a "Letter carrier" (aka mailman, postman, whatever) and been surprised at how many of my peers also make music. I think part of what makes it atractive is the amount of time outside and away from any boss. Also a willingness to experience the world even when the sun is not shinning. As for music as a hobby vs. job... I think in the late 70s when I was making the choice to do music or get a steady job (so I could own a house instead of rent one), it was already obvious, that to make it big you had to be willing to give up any ideals or belief... and make someone else rich. The time of being able to make your own music and do well had already ended (pretty much). There has been good music made since then, but it is hard to find in stores or on the radio. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 20:49:49 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:49:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EC949.6010109@gmail.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> <526EC949.6010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1382993389.2310.54.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 21:30 +0100, Set Hallstrom wrote: > I think any work that is somewhat ethic [snip] It's not only ethic, but also about emotions. If you want to work as audio engineer in Germany you need to be Tonmeister VDT. It's easy for me to be a Tonmeister VDT and it works/worked for me without becoming a member, but that's much harder. You only need two bailsmen to become VDT and many acquaintances I know like to be bailsmen for me. For me it's a no-go, I can't live rock'n'roll and become member of a club, this is ridiculous. No offence J?rn, don't get me wrong, friends of me are VDT, it's ok, but those friends aren't rock'n'rollers. Don't care about ethics, this is theory, but listen to your heart. You can't love music and at the same time make your money by working for an industry that gives us the loudness-war, _even_ if you have the good luck to ignore the loudness war, you still will work for the same evil people. It's not ethic, it's emotion! From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 21:10:00 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:10:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1382994600.2310.62.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 13:42 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > I work as a "Letter carrier" (aka mailman, postman, whatever) and been > surprised at how many of my peers also make music. I think part of what > makes it atractive is the amount of time outside and away from any boss. > Also a willingness to experience the world even when the sun is not > shinning. > > As for music as a hobby vs. job... I think in the late 70s when I was > making the choice to do music or get a steady job (so I could own a house > instead of rent one), it was already obvious, that to make it big you had > to be willing to give up any ideals or belief... and make someone else > rich. The time of being able to make your own music and do well had > already ended (pretty much). There has been good music made since then, > but it is hard to find in stores or on the radio. "Mister postman look and see If there's a letter in your bag for me I been waiting such a long time Since I heard from that girl of mine" Rock'n'Roll, Punk Rock, IOW real live. I Love it, I prefer to carry brigs on a building lot, than to give a lecture on audio engineering or rock music at an academy. And again, this is my rock'n'roller _emotion_. I don't condemn anybody being VDT, being an academic teaching music or what ever. Everybody has to decide what is important for her/him. Don't care about ethics! Listen to your heart! From linuxaudio at showlabor.de Mon Oct 28 21:23:46 2013 From: linuxaudio at showlabor.de (Felix Homann) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:23:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: Am 28.10.2013 21:08 schrieb "Will Godfrey" : > > I remember something my father said when I was very small. 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URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 21:27:02 2013 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:27:02 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Felix Homann wrote: > > Am 28.10.2013 21:08 schrieb "Will Godfrey" : >> >> I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you >> *really* >> enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. > > No, he wasn't. Because if you *really* enjoy something and can make a living > out of it it won't necessarily feel like a job. I enjoy my job. I get paid to use Linux all day. This does not suck in the least. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From leoave at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 21:36:11 2013 From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:36:11 -0700 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: I love to fix computers, even enjoy fixing friends windozee's pc, but when they tray to pay, I allways refuse to accept any. And tell them that I did because I like to do it, not for money, I feel like if they pay for it, I would no enjoy it anymore. That's my mind state. Leo On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Felix Homann wrote: > > Am 28.10.2013 21:08 schrieb "Will Godfrey" : > > > > I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you > *really* > > enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. > > No, he wasn't. Because if you *really* enjoy something and can make a > living out of it it won't necessarily feel like a job. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 22:04:10 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:04:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: <1382997850.2310.67.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 22:23 +0100, Felix Homann wrote: > > Am 28.10.2013 21:08 schrieb "Will Godfrey" > : > > > > I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you > *really* > > enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. > > No, he wasn't. Because if you *really* enjoy something and can make a > living out of it it won't necessarily feel like a job. Words are words, but there is the emotion. Chico, Harpo, Groucho and Zeppo. Chico, Harpo, Groucho is what we like to be, nobody want's to be Zeppo. It's possible to become an astronaut or crane driver if you like it, but it might have less to do with your emotions to become an astronaut or crane driver, only if you have very good luck it does fit to your emotions. Yes, a view people have good luck. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 22:10:13 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:10:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> Message-ID: <1382998213.2310.70.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 14:36 -0700, Leonardo Palomares wrote: > I [...] even enjoy fixing friends windozee's pc Wow, I do it too, because I love my friends, but it usually is a PITA for me :D. Usually "fixing" their Win PCs is to fix the issue between chair and monitor ;). From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 22:19:11 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:19:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382997850.2310.67.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382997850.2310.67.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1382998751.2310.71.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 23:04 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 22:23 +0100, Felix Homann wrote: > > > > Am 28.10.2013 21:08 schrieb "Will Godfrey" > > : > > > > > > I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you > > *really* > > > enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right. > > > > No, he wasn't. Because if you *really* enjoy something and can make a > > living out of it it won't necessarily feel like a job. > > Words are words, but there is the emotion. > > Chico, Harpo, Groucho and Zeppo. > > Chico, Harpo, Groucho is what we like to be, nobody want's to be Zeppo. > > It's possible to become an astronaut or crane driver if you like it, but > it might have less to do with your emotions to become an astronaut or > crane driver, only if you have very good luck it does fit to your > emotions. Yes, a view people have good luck. ^^^^ few :D From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 22:45:28 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:45:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed Message-ID: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> When I yesterday read that he died, I couldn't get rid of one of his songs. In my mined I heard one song again and again. It's a well known song, while I prefer songs of The Velvet Underground, yesterday none of those songs was in my mind, just that hit from him bothered me. This comes to mind by the the discussion about "I remember something my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* enjoy something, never do it as a job". He was right." To make a living out of something often is far away from the good emotions, ok, this is another thread. What song comes to your minds, when thinking of Lou Reed? I bet most will hear the same song as I did hear in my mind. Is the song you hear in your mind, the best song he performed? From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 28 23:02:47 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:02:47 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> On 10/28/2013 06:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > What song comes to your minds, when thinking of Lou Reed? > > Sister Ray. "I said I c-c-c-couldn't hit it sideways..." I played in a band that learned and performed most of the White Light/White Heat album. I think the only one we didn't touch was Lady Godiva's Operation. Favorite LR ballad : "Jesus". Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 28 23:17:40 2013 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:17:40 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: "I Love Women" from The Blue Mask. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > On 10/28/2013 06:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> >> What song comes to your minds, when thinking of Lou Reed? >> >> >> > Sister Ray. > > "I said I c-c-c-couldn't hit it sideways..." > > I played in a band that learned and performed most of the White > Light/White Heat album. I think the only one we didn't touch was Lady > Godiva's Operation. > > Favorite LR ballad : "Jesus". > > Best, > > dp > > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 23:20:58 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:20:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1383002458.2310.90.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 19:02 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Favorite LR ballad : "Jesus". I love it too. Unfortunately I had the Transformer in mind. Two hits, "Perfect Day" and "Walk on the Wild Side" and I couldn't get rid of "Walk on the Wild Side". It's not a bad song, but it isn't the best song he performed. When I was young the German band Extrabreit from Hagen, close to my hometown had a song that was based on "Walk on the Wild Side". It's a pity, with Firefox I can fake my IP, so I theoretically could listen to all the songs that the GEMA (a devils collecting society) makes unavailable for Germans, but I need Adobe F... if I use google-chrome I can play flash contend, but can't fake the IP, so I'm unable to listen to some Velvet Underground recordings I don't own myself. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 23:26:22 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:26:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383002458.2310.90.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> <1383002458.2310.90.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1383002782.2310.92.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 00:20 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 19:02 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Favorite LR ballad : "Jesus". > > I love it too. > > Unfortunately I had the Transformer in mind. Two hits, "Perfect Day" and > "Walk on the Wild Side" and I couldn't get rid of "Walk on the Wild > Side". It's not a bad song, but it isn't the best song he performed. > When I was young the German band Extrabreit from Hagen, close to my > hometown had a song that was based on "Walk on the Wild Side". It's a > pity, with Firefox I can fake my IP, so I theoretically could listen to > all the songs that the GEMA (a devils collecting society) makes > unavailable for Germans, but I need Adobe F... if I use google-chrome I > can play flash contend, but can't fake the IP, so I'm unable to listen > to some Velvet Underground recordings I don't own myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJj0z0u_9qQ :) To all the youngster who don't know it, Germans don't need to fake the IP and no flash player is needed. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Mon Oct 28 23:36:48 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:36:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1383003408.2310.96.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 19:17 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > I Love Women I lost my bet, but that's nice :) and I consider to install flash player or to buy some vinyl I already should own. Interesting many songs are available in Germany, without the need to install flash player, but YouTube seems to be overburdened, they don't start, just load and load and load and load and ... From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 29 00:04:15 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 01:04:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> Extrabreit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDw_Yh3wT_s They never were a so called "Neue Deutsche Welle" Band, this performance is a "we need money to live" performance, originally they where _real_ rock musicians. The "walk on the wilde side" robbery was always a PITA, but the original version wasn't that bad. They are a good example, why you can't live from rock'n'roll in Germany. They are good musicians, but just embarrassing when they tried to make a living with their music. We have real blamable pseudo-rock'n'rollres, in Germany Kreator, Sodom, etc. pp.. Extrabreit were "good guys", but lost their souls as many, many other good musicians. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 29 00:15:15 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 01:15:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1383005715.2310.112.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 01:04 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Extrabreit > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDw_Yh3wT_s > > They never were a so called "Neue Deutsche Welle" Band, this performance > is a "we need money to live" performance, originally they where _real_ > rock musicians. > > The "walk on the wilde side" robbery was always a PITA, but the original > version wasn't that bad. > > They are a good example, why you can't live from rock'n'roll in Germany. > > They are good musicians, but just embarrassing when they tried to make a > living with their music. > > We have real blamable pseudo-rock'n'rollres, in Germany Kreator, Sodom, > etc. pp.. Extrabreit were "good guys", but lost their souls as many, > many other good musicians. Visually from Radio Birdman like men ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Birdman ) to banker outlook :(, that's what happens in Germany with some musicians. No chance for Rock'n'Roll and to live from the music here. Only crap survives. From marc at hacklava.net Tue Oct 29 00:16:50 2013 From: marc at hacklava.net (Marc =?UTF-8?B?TGF2YWxsw6ll?=) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:16:50 -0400 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131028201650.375d59fd@telecino> > Is the song you hear in your mind, the best song he performed? "Turn to me" on "New Sensations" "September song" on "Lost in the stars: The Music Of Kurt Weill" -- Marc From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 29 00:19:55 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 01:19:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <20131028201650.375d59fd@telecino> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <20131028201650.375d59fd@telecino> Message-ID: <1383005995.2310.114.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 20:16 -0400, Marc Lavall?e wrote: > > Is the song you hear in your mind, the best song he performed? > > "Turn to me" on "New Sensations" > "September song" on "Lost in the stars: The Music Of Kurt Weill" Ok, I was completely mistaken :). I Thought most people would think about the Transformer. I'm positively surprised, just not happy with my own thoughts ;). From djdualcore at gmail.com Tue Oct 29 00:21:51 2013 From: djdualcore at gmail.com (Neil) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:21:51 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: I have very warm memories of a greatest hits collection based on his first several albums I got possession of when I was 15 or so. The songs that hit me were Coney Island Baby, Sweat Jane and Wild Child. I was totally hooked by their sentimentality, and the fact that he used the word "rain" a lot. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Extrabreit > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDw_Yh3wT_s > > They never were a so called "Neue Deutsche Welle" Band, this performance > is a "we need money to live" performance, originally they where _real_ > rock musicians. > > The "walk on the wilde side" robbery was always a PITA, but the original > version wasn't that bad. > > They are a good example, why you can't live from rock'n'roll in Germany. > > They are good musicians, but just embarrassing when they tried to make a > living with their music. > > We have real blamable pseudo-rock'n'rollres, in Germany Kreator, Sodom, > etc. pp.. Extrabreit were "good guys", but lost their souls as many, > many other good musicians. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- DJ Dual Core's Blog http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/ Order without government; Peace without violence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 29 00:29:30 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 01:29:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1383006570.2310.118.camel@archlinux> On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 19:21 -0500, Neil wrote: > Sweat Jane I try to get it from the Internet, IOW by YouTube for around 20 hours :D and while receiving your mail it was downloaded :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkumhBVPGdg . But seemingly all of the better performances from him where with The Velvet Underground. From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 29 00:37:36 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 01:37:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383006570.2310.118.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> <526EED17.8080408@woh.rr.com> <1383005055.2310.107.camel@archlinux> <1383006570.2310.118.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1383007056.2310.125.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 01:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 19:21 -0500, Neil wrote: > > Sweat Jane > > I try to get it from the Internet, IOW by YouTube for around 20 hours :D > and while receiving your mail it was downloaded :) > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkumhBVPGdg . But seemingly all of the > better performances from him where with The Velvet Underground. I wonder if my download issues have to do with QupZilla. I replaced Firefox with QupZilla as my "main" browser some days ago and now go back to Firefox :S. Regards, Ralf PS: "Beam Me Up Scotty" was Never Said in the Original Star Trek From murks at tuxfamily.org Tue Oct 29 08:29:31 2013 From: murks at tuxfamily.org (Philipp =?UTF-8?B?w5xiZXJiYWNoZXI=?=) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:29:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131029092931.6bd7a766@eeyore.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:45:28 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > When I yesterday read that he died, I couldn't get rid of one of his > songs. In my mined I heard one song again and again. > > It's a well known song, while I prefer songs of The Velvet > Underground, yesterday none of those songs was in my mind, just that > hit from him bothered me. > > This comes to mind by the the discussion about "I remember something > my father said when I was very small. "If you *really* enjoy > something, never do it as a job". He was right." > > To make a living out of something often is far away from the good > emotions, ok, this is another thread. > > What song comes to your minds, when thinking of Lou Reed? > > I bet most will hear the same song as I did hear in my mind. > > Is the song you hear in your mind, the best song he performed? The first song that comes to my mind is "Venus in Furs", but I love all "The Velvet Underground & Nico" songs. Those songs have a certain quality to them that I enjoy. Regards, Philipp From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Oct 29 10:59:25 2013 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:59:25 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526EBDEB.9070801@gmail.com> References: <20131028193604.GB23669@village.keycorner.org> <526EBDEB.9070801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201310290659.25541.zotz@100jamz.com> On Monday 28 October 2013 15:41:31 Set Hallstrom wrote: > 99% of all 1990's kids have never recieved a love letter on paper. I see what you did there. drew From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Oct 29 11:40:08 2013 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 07:40:08 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201310290740.08836.zotz@100jamz.com> On Monday 28 October 2013 17:36:11 Leonardo Palomares wrote: > I love to fix computers, even enjoy fixing friends windozee's pc, but when > they tray to pay, I allways refuse to accept any. > And tell them that I did because I like to do it, not for money, I feel > like if they pay for it, I would no enjoy it anymore. It is possible for money to serve as a demotivator in this way but it is not a 100% thing in my books. > > That's my mind state. For myself, I think some of it comes down to the *demands* placed on me and the interesting aspects of the work. 1. No demands, interesting work, - money = fine. 2. No demands, interesting work, + money = fine. ... N-1. Demands, boring (or other nasty) work, + money = possible at times. N. Demands, boring (or other nasty) work, - money = you're kidding right. It also depends on what I am missing out on while I am doing whatever work I am doing. [The above is not vetted and comes with no warranty of correctness. I may change my tune on further reflection.] > Leo all the best, drew From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 29 12:19:47 2013 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:19:47 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <201310290740.08836.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <201310290740.08836.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: <526FA7E3.4050606@woh.rr.com> On 10/29/2013 07:40 AM, drew Roberts wrote: > ... > For myself, I think some of it comes down to the *demands* placed on me and > the interesting aspects of the work. > > 1. No demands, interesting work, - money = fine. > 2. No demands, interesting work, + money = fine. > ... > N-1. Demands, boring (or other nasty) work, + money = possible at times. > N. Demands, boring (or other nasty) work, - money = you're kidding right. > I have two meters running all the time. One is the Fun-O-Meter and the other is the Cash-O-Meter. One had better be 'way higher than the other for me to even consider the job. Ideally both would be pegged to the right. Best, dp From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Oct 29 12:34:12 2013 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:34:12 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <526FA7E3.4050606@woh.rr.com> References: <201310290740.08836.zotz@100jamz.com> <526FA7E3.4050606@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <201310290834.12868.zotz@100jamz.com> On Tuesday 29 October 2013 08:19:47 Dave Phillips wrote: > On 10/29/2013 07:40 AM, drew Roberts wrote: > > ... > > For myself, I think some of it comes down to the *demands* placed on me > > and the interesting aspects of the work. > > > > 1. No demands, interesting work, - money = fine. > > 2. No demands, interesting work, + money = fine. > > ... > > N-1. Demands, boring (or other nasty) work, + money = possible at times. > > N. Demands, boring (or other nasty) work, - money = you're kidding right. > > I have two meters running all the time. One is the Fun-O-Meter and the > other is the Cash-O-Meter. One had better be 'way higher than the other > for me to even consider the job. Reworded: One had better be high if the other is low... [That is what I take it you are saying by what you wrote below. - I know, I am being pedantic again... although I have no intention to annoy ~-;) ] > > Ideally both would be pegged to the right. ~;-) > > Best, > > dp drew From djbarney at djbarney.org Tue Oct 29 13:44:10 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:44:10 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <20131029134410.43835urm6yp8ohpm@server34.abstractdns.com> Quoting Ralf Mardorf : > When I yesterday read that he died, I couldn't get rid of one of his > songs. In my mined I heard one song again and again. > > It's a well known song, while I prefer songs of The Velvet Underground, > yesterday none of those songs was in my mind, just that hit from him > bothered me. > > This comes to mind by the the discussion about "I remember something my > father said when I was very small. "If you *really* enjoy something, > never do it as a job". He was right." > > To make a living out of something often is far away from the good > emotions, ok, this is another thread. > > What song comes to your minds, when thinking of Lou Reed? > > I bet most will hear the same song as I did hear in my mind. > > Is the song you hear in your mind, the best song he performed? I've always heard "hey, babe, lets take a walk on the wild side" over and over for many years, but its not till recently that it came to me very strongly, and what it is about. How we are "managed" and encouraged to act like pets or tamed creatures. A truly liberated human being can indeed by a wild thing, and that IS sadly scary to some people, but some people can handle it, like Lou Reed could ? DJ Barney > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From robin at gareus.org Tue Oct 29 13:59:32 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:59:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Lou Reed In-Reply-To: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> References: <1383000328.2310.80.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <526FBF44.20507@gareus.org> On 10/28/2013 11:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > What song comes to your minds, when thinking of Lou Reed? Just because nobody mentioned it yet.. I really like his performance of "This magic moment" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eZjwJZF8uE ciao, robin From djbarney at djbarney.org Tue Oct 29 14:37:15 2013 From: djbarney at djbarney.org (Barney Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:37:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <20131028122409.63983qd80fg3oind@server34.abstractdns.com> <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <20131029143715.13142l7zkinyc657@server34.abstractdns.com> Quoting Gene Heskett : > On Monday 28 October 2013 10:44:40 Barney Holmes did opine: > >> Quoting Brett McCoy : >> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 AM, michael noble > wrote: >> >> Must be that time of year again when slashdotters get a bee in their >> >> bonnet about how useless Linux is for audio production. Enter at >> >> your own risk... >> >> >> >> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/10/27/0534248/ask-slashdot-best-cros >> >> s-platform-linux-only-audio-software?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&ut >> >> m_medium=feed >> > >> > Ha, I stopped reading /. a long time ago. I can see not much has >> > changed... >> >> Same here. It seemed to turn into a cynicism fest in many >> circumstances. If this kind of post (no I didn?t go in, I have enough >> anger already) is anything special or just the usual I don't know. >> However there is a HUGE watershed going on at the moment that >> undoubtedly is spilling well beyond the borders of open source land. >> Something extraordinary IS happening and I don't see why anyone should >> be embarrassed about giving themselves a pat on the back or even >> getting others to pat them on that back ! An enormous amount of work >> by thousands upon thousands is paying off. The fruits started >> happening with Android, despite proprietary drivers (if Google had >> refused that none of the mobile phone manufactures would have even >> used Android!), then Ubuntu, as well as the less visible internet >> servers and embedded technologies. But the one that takes the biscuit >> for me is Steam announcing SteamOS. This is going to be a huge change >> in what has been a long standing corporate culture of >> Microsoft/Nvidia/Intel. Video games are the quintessential example of >> the Real Time application. Graphics and sound all running as a real >> time application. There's hints of where this is going in things like >> the 3D synth by Robert Gareus. Look at the 3D menu / interface that >> you can spin around in Borderlands 2. It amazes me that we are not >> already using 3D window managers and are still stuck in static 2D land >> (go ask Ted Nelson about that). >> >> Where does this take Linux Audio Users ? Well the future is bright. >> What's over that horizon ? I've been looking at Blender Game Engine >> for doing VJ visuals (it can play full frame video within the game >> engine and spin that around a'la a high end vision mixing desk). >> Combined with sound who knows what kind of 3D dynamic sound mixing >> environments could be created ? >> >> So Linux bashing, go easy on them. >> >> DJ Barney > > I have not yet looked at SteamOS, but you are claiming realtime for it. We don't know the gritty technical details of SteamOS yet. I was only claiming that video games are a form of Real Time application. Things have to go off, be processed, and return within a given time limit, but it's not as stringent as the needs of a robotics production line. As every gamer knows, esp. PC gamers, there are sometimes slight glitches, short freezes and frame rate drops because the game is not tuned to known hardware like it is for a console. Who would put up with this while watching TV, or from their hardware CD player ? Yet, I payed ?20 for Borderlands 2 recently. Should I not have guaranteed uninterrupted game play for that price ? But I think this is what Valve are up to. Developers will develop for known hardware specs and if there are glitches on other machines then "its your own problem" (but I hope they will support DIY PC people as well). All this has some similarity to the company, I forget the name, who sell music production systems pre-installed on a known hardware config laptop. > That pulls my curiosity trigger because one of my hobbies is CNC > machinery, and its realtime demands are far more stringent than some .1 > millisecond accurate audio delivery. Currently we are running linuxcnc on > 2.6.32-122-RTAI, but that RTAI patch is invasive as hell, and extremely > difficult to apply to a newer kernel, so we are running on Ubuntu-10.04.4 > LTS yet, with an occasional hiccup at other functions. Valve development may help with that, assuming they actually work on any RT stuff, but I'd be very surprised if they didn?t. This is happening with Android development being flowed back into the Linux kernel - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linux-guru-re-merging-of-android-into-kernel-eases-sysdev-a-bit/10635 > > If SteamOS is claiming real time, just how "realtime" is it? We need to > have an I/O heartbeat running at a 20 to 25 u-sec rate, with not over a 3 > u-sec jitter in that timing to run well. Currently the intel atom based > boards are the goto boards for that, but we could sure use some additional > iron in the mix, which oddly, seems to point toward the BeagleBoneBlack > because of its bank of programmable realtime units (PRU's) and a true feast > of I/O pin availability that can serve as the step pulse generators. We should see the source code of SteamOS sometime in 2014. > > I have an old HP box with a 1 Ghz athlon in it that could serve as a proof > of concept box if this is downloadable and buildable on it. > So, what say you that have tasted this? I will be installing SteamOS on my PC when it comes out. If it has any use for music production remains to be seen. What I'm tracking is the effect these developments are having on the future of developments for Linux audio users in the open source ecosystem. > > Thanks. Cheers ! >> >> > -- >> > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -- "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge >> > it, it would overturn the world." >> > >> > -- Jelaleddin Rumi >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Linux-audio-user mailing list >> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > Cheers, Gene > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > Immanuel Kant but Kubla Khan. > A pen in the hand of this president is far more > dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of > law-abiding citizens. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From robin at gareus.org Tue Oct 29 15:01:29 2013 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:01:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] limiting email traffic Message-ID: <526FCDC9.7090501@gareus.org> Hi all, Due to excessive posts - in particular on the linux-audio-user email list, we are going to rate-limit the number of emails to 13 emails per user per 24 hours with direct follows-up replies to self counting twice. It is not unreasonable to assume that a single user posting more than 12 emails per day is either involved in a heated flame-war or otherwise disrupting reasonable discussion. Neither of which is acceptable on the LA email lists. We understand that some communication requires rapid exchange of many small snippets and recommend users who need to regularly post short messages many times per day to rather use services such as twitter, IRC or simply private email. The LA email lists are mainly intended for discussion, questions & answers, sharing and preservation of knowledge. Note that there are currently over 3000 persons subscribing to the LA lists, every single email sent to the list will result in 3000+ forwards and be archived in various places on the web. Offenders will be notified with a warning message with the 10th email within a day and after the 13th email temporarily banned for 6 hours from further posting to the given email list. Feel free to comment on this email here on this list, but official inquires should be addressed to members of the consortium. See http://linuxaudio.org/contact The system will be activated on 31/Oct/2013 if not vetoed. The actual rate-limit may also be adjusted over time to reflect list-behaviour. yours truly, robin From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net Tue Oct 29 16:03:30 2013 From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:03:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] limiting email traffic In-Reply-To: <526FCDC9.7090501@gareus.org> References: <526FCDC9.7090501@gareus.org> Message-ID: <1383062610.2310.183.camel@archlinux> You've my apologies. From czhenry at gmail.com Tue Oct 29 16:26:20 2013 From: czhenry at gmail.com (Charles Z Henry) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:26:20 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] limiting email traffic In-Reply-To: <526FCDC9.7090501@gareus.org> References: <526FCDC9.7090501@gareus.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > > The system will be activated on 31/Oct/2013 if not vetoed. The actual > rate-limit may also be adjusted over time to reflect list-behaviour. > > yours truly, > robin > So, I've got just today and tomorrow to thrash the server, huh? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the mix with Tsuyoshi Suzuki", Doof, Bass Chakra, etc ... http://www.discogs.com/Tsuyoshi-Suzuki-Trancentral-Four-A-Trip-To-Goa/master/45007 I notice music productions rarely contain logo's of services and/or applications used to produce them, but films and video games do ... Nvidia and Avid logo's ! Here is my "review" of your album keeping Linux audio use in mind. Note I was listening to this with an ear attuned to the production techniques and mastering heard on places like Proton Radio - http://protonradio.com/ - and recent mixes such as The Konstrukt by Danny Oliveira a talented Miami/Brazilian DJ/Producer - https://soundcloud.com/dnyo/sets/the-konstrukt Elementary Waves ... problem with intro. not as high quality as later on in the track, but gets good ~3:30 minutes where you start using the sample. A note here. 303 and Distortion ? Distortion filter can make a massive difference to the 303 sound. The 303 in Rebirth could do some REALLY strange things, don't know how that compares to a real 303 because I've never used one, but plan to get a 303 clone - http://greatsynthesizers.com/en/general-en/2013/03/bass-bot-tt-303-the-new-roland-tb-303/ Another reality. Nice use of synth ! Production in this one - this is gonna be honest, but please remember I'm taking something in isolation here, and only this track. Percussion sounds are too regimented (think of those bad MIDI demo's that come with some software) and need to be made more dynamic, richer and randomised - see blog post - http://djbarney.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/generating-synthesised-drums-and-percussion-in-linux-using-yoshimi/ Incredible Things - hey breakbeat ! Again there's some fine detail and depth missing in the breakbeat. But this track sounds nicely upbeat with good use of sample and composition. Solar Traveller - hang on, this break beat is MUCH better. You should probably look into exactly why that is, and keep on doing it. Rolling ! Seaside - sorry got distracted when listening to this one. I'll go back to this later. North Pole - I can hear this one being played on Proton Radio - http://protonradio.com/ - and it would stand up nicely amongst all the other tracks. Acid Astronautic - love the 303 in this, very spacey. Goa Trance. the drum/percussion could maybe be a bit more dynamic or randomised but that may just be my own personal listening tastes. Uranium - this is a good rich sounding 303 line that starts this. This is the best one. This should be first track on your album if you ask me. It really sounds like it could have been produced on Mac, Windows or Linux, or a recording studio. Was thinking some more about this. I think in a lot of track production the trick is the final mix down and mastering that gives everything that "silky smooth" sound. It's a work of art like a painting, a well designed building or a cordon blue/Gourmet meal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gourmet Thanks for your album ! This is exactly where I am heading at the moment. I want to produce quality dance music that will enhance people's life's and help them. I started thinking of producing music to be much like starting a good bakery. If it tastes and smells good then it will sell. If I start putting the Linux logo on my releases, well I don't know yet ;) You have also inspired me to look at modular synths (Linux of course) for modelling the 303 sounds, and building the PCF filter in Propellerhead Rebirth which I've never seen anything else do. There are circuit diagrams available for the 303 which can be worked from. I'll also check out Nekobee :) DJ Barney From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Oct 29 20:46:56 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Set_Hallstr=C3=B6m?=) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:46:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <1382994600.2310.62.camel@archlinux> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> <1382994600.2310.62.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: Ethic, emotional, moral, wealth... LOVE! :D very abstract words. Their definitions is bound to your first experience of the feelings behind them :) But you are right, at least, i understand your point and relate to it. I chose the same path as you. I don't want to deal with the music industry. (It's dying anyway :D) And I despise everything that is related to "idolatry". I am basically not so compatible with the "rock'n'roll" as you mention it i guess. Althought i must say there is quite a lot of rock'n'roll in my life. Just not so shiny or glamorous... LOL ( http://sakrecoer.com/assets/mu/files/Sakrecoer-Pa_Manen_007_01-Dumb_Bumm.mp3) I work part time in a powerplant. I have the same task as Homer Simpson: looking after a machine that looks after itself, alone in a control room with infinite knowledge: internet. But in my powerplant we burn trash instead of atoms. It pays good enough to have 3 saturdays and a sunday each week. Living according to my own definitions is what makes me happy. Doing music in genres i fancy, instead of the ones that are expectef from me. But then again, i can afford happyness since i have absolutley 0 debts. *Set On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 13:42 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > > I work as a "Letter carrier" (aka mailman, postman, whatever) and been > > surprised at how many of my peers also make music. I think part of what > > makes it atractive is the amount of time outside and away from any boss. > > Also a willingness to experience the world even when the sun is not > > shinning. > > > > As for music as a hobby vs. job... I think in the late 70s when I was > > making the choice to do music or get a steady job (so I could own a house > > instead of rent one), it was already obvious, that to make it big you had > > to be willing to give up any ideals or belief... and make someone else > > rich. The time of being able to make your own music and do well had > > already ended (pretty much). There has been good music made since then, > > but it is hard to find in stores or on the radio. > > "Mister postman look and see > If there's a letter in your bag for me > I been waiting such a long time > Since I heard from that girl of mine" > > Rock'n'Roll, Punk Rock, IOW real live. > > I Love it, I prefer to carry brigs on a building lot, than to give a > lecture on audio engineering or rock music at an academy. > > And again, this is my rock'n'roller _emotion_. I don't condemn anybody > being VDT, being an academic teaching music or what ever. > > Everybody has to decide what is important for her/him. Don't care about > ethics! Listen to your heart! > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Set Hallstr?m AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From sakrecoer at gmail.com Tue Oct 29 21:01:49 2013 From: sakrecoer at gmail.com (Set Hallstrom) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:01:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131029205436.GD13159@linuxaudio.org> References: <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <1382991881.2310.44.camel@archlinux> <1382994600.2310.62.camel@archlinux> <20131029205436.GD13159@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <0cb58e73-f86f-4be2-a9a6-855016329277@email.android.com> Haha! It already does, but it has too much human interraction leading to errors it cannot handle. LOLDon't worry about me however, i have a few trix in my bag. 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I once did a consultancy for a firm that builds simulators of nuclear power plants - used for training the operators. They simulate everything, down to ageing of fuses and corrosion on connector contacts. IIRC, one of the programs they used simulated 8 Megaitems in real time. Just touching that kind of SW is scary... Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) From gheskett at wdtv.com Tue Oct 29 21:18:34 2013 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:18:34 -0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131029143715.13142l7zkinyc657@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <201310281105.55299.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131029143715.13142l7zkinyc657@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: <201310291718.34961.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday 29 October 2013 17:13:48 Barney Holmes did opine: > Quoting Gene Heskett : > > On Monday 28 October 2013 10:44:40 Barney Holmes did opine: > >> Quoting Brett McCoy : > >> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 AM, michael noble > > > > wrote: > >> >> Must be that time of year again when slashdotters get a bee in > >> >> their bonnet about how useless Linux is for audio production. > >> >> Enter at your own risk... > >> >> > >> >> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/10/27/0534248/ask-slashdot-best-c > >> >> ros > >> >> s-platform-linux-only-audio-software?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkano > >> >> n&ut m_medium=feed > >> > > >> > Ha, I stopped reading /. a long time ago. I can see not much has > >> > changed... > >> > >> Same here. It seemed to turn into a cynicism fest in many > >> circumstances. If this kind of post (no I didn?t go in, I have enough > >> anger already) is anything special or just the usual I don't know. > >> However there is a HUGE watershed going on at the moment that > >> undoubtedly is spilling well beyond the borders of open source land. > >> Something extraordinary IS happening and I don't see why anyone > >> should be embarrassed about giving themselves a pat on the back or > >> even getting others to pat them on that back ! An enormous amount of > >> work by thousands upon thousands is paying off. The fruits started > >> happening with Android, despite proprietary drivers (if Google had > >> refused that none of the mobile phone manufactures would have even > >> used Android!), then Ubuntu, as well as the less visible internet > >> servers and embedded technologies. But the one that takes the > >> biscuit for me is Steam announcing SteamOS. This is going to be a > >> huge change in what has been a long standing corporate culture of > >> Microsoft/Nvidia/Intel. Video games are the quintessential example of > >> the Real Time application. Graphics and sound all running as a real > >> time application. There's hints of where this is going in things like > >> the 3D synth by Robert Gareus. Look at the 3D menu / interface that > >> you can spin around in Borderlands 2. It amazes me that we are not > >> already using 3D window managers and are still stuck in static 2D > >> land (go ask Ted Nelson about that). > >> > >> Where does this take Linux Audio Users ? Well the future is bright. > >> What's over that horizon ? I've been looking at Blender Game Engine > >> for doing VJ visuals (it can play full frame video within the game > >> engine and spin that around a'la a high end vision mixing desk). > >> Combined with sound who knows what kind of 3D dynamic sound mixing > >> environments could be created ? > >> > >> So Linux bashing, go easy on them. > >> > >> DJ Barney > > > > I have not yet looked at SteamOS, but you are claiming realtime for > > it. > > We don't know the gritty technical details of SteamOS yet. I was only > claiming that video games are a form of Real Time application. Things > have to go off, be processed, and return within a given time limit, > but it's not as stringent as the needs of a robotics production line. > As every gamer knows, esp. PC gamers, there are sometimes slight > glitches, short freezes and frame rate drops because the game is not > tuned to known hardware like it is for a console. Who would put up > with this while watching TV, or from their hardware CD player ? Yet, I > payed ?20 for Borderlands 2 recently. Should I not have guaranteed > uninterrupted game play for that price ? But I think this is what > Valve are up to. Developers will develop for known hardware specs and > if there are glitches on other machines then "its your own problem" > (but I hope they will support DIY PC people as well). All this has > some similarity to the company, I forget the name, who sell music > production systems pre-installed on a known hardware config laptop. > > > That pulls my curiosity trigger because one of my hobbies is CNC > > machinery, and its realtime demands are far more stringent than some > > .1 millisecond accurate audio delivery. Currently we are running > > linuxcnc on 2.6.32-122-RTAI, but that RTAI patch is invasive as hell, > > and extremely difficult to apply to a newer kernel, so we are running > > on Ubuntu-10.04.4 LTS yet, with an occasional hiccup at other > > functions. > > Valve development may help with that, assuming they actually work on > any RT stuff, but I'd be very surprised if they didn?t. This is > happening with Android development being flowed back into the Linux > kernel - > http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linux-guru-re-merging-of-android-i > nto-kernel-eases-sysdev-a-bit/10635 > > > If SteamOS is claiming real time, just how "realtime" is it? We need > > to have an I/O heartbeat running at a 20 to 25 u-sec rate, with not > > over a 3 u-sec jitter in that timing to run well. Currently the > > intel atom based boards are the goto boards for that, but we could > > sure use some additional iron in the mix, which oddly, seems to point > > toward the BeagleBoneBlack because of its bank of programmable > > realtime units (PRU's) and a true feast of I/O pin availability that > > can serve as the step pulse generators. > > We should see the source code of SteamOS sometime in 2014. > > > I have an old HP box with a 1 Ghz athlon in it that could serve as a > > proof of concept box if this is downloadable and buildable on it. > > So, what say you that have tasted this? > > I will be installing SteamOS on my PC when it comes out. If it has any > use for music production remains to be seen. What I'm tracking is the > effect these developments are having on the future of developments for > Linux audio users in the open source ecosystem. > > > Thanks. > > Cheers ! I don't know as I'd go so far as to install it just because its there, but I will certainly keep my ears tuned for suitable comments when it does hit the streets. We both know that there is a certain amount of iron to do the work, and that one thing done exceedingly well, will be balanced by some other aspect thats so bad the local stray cat population surplus will be quickly solved. :) Thanks Brett. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Prerecorded for this time zone. A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. From bearcat at feline-soul.com Wed Oct 30 02:58:43 2013 From: bearcat at feline-soul.com (=?UTF-8?B?QmVhcmNhdCBNLiDFnsOhbmRvcg==?=) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 20:58:43 -0600 Subject: [LAU] OT: how do you follow your favorite artist's releases? Message-ID: Folks, I've been looking for a website that is not label specific that will notify me when a band or other performer releases new music. I would love it if i could go on to Amazon or discoggs or even lastfm, select Porcupine Tree, or Cat Jahnke or Meshuggah and say "send me an email when they come out with a new album." Aren't there feeds or anything to do this with? -- Bearcat M. ??ndor Feline Soul Systems LLC Voice: 872.CAT.SOUL (872.228.7685) Fax: 406.235.7070 Jabber/xmpp/gtalk/email: bearcat at feline-soul.net MSN: bearcatsandor at hotmail.com Yahoo: bearcatsandor AIM: bearcatmsandor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arve.barsnes at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 07:18:17 2013 From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:18:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: how do you follow your favorite artist's releases? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30 October 2013 03:58, Bearcat M. ??ndor wrote: > Folks, > > I've been looking for a website that is not label specific that will > notify me when a band or other performer releases new music. I would love > it if i could go on to Amazon or discoggs or even lastfm, select Porcupine > Tree, or Cat Jahnke or Meshuggah and say "send me an email when they come > out with a new album." > > Aren't there feeds or anything to do this with? > > > Wouldn't that be wonderful. I have a giant text-file with links to where I can go check if an artist has anything new out (metal-archives, discogs, wikipedia, whatever), I find out about new releases often enough that I have yet to use this text file at all, but sometime in the future.... I also have a bunch of rss feeds of bandcamp pages, that are in more active use. Anyway, I looked for a place providing what you ask for many years ago, it was the reason for the text-page springing into action, because I couldn't find anything like what I wanted. That was many years ago, though, maybe something has appeared since then. Arve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jostein at vait.se Wed Oct 30 09:30:26 2013 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:30:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Gig/sfz: Linuxsampler vs. Highlife vs ?? Message-ID: <5270D1B2.7060709@vait.se> Hi folks!, I'm currently using Linuxsampler for my GIG stuff and I'm wondering if I should port my samples to SFZ. This is a very time consuming thing, where Natural Drum Kit (2+G +) is the most important one. It's very complicated to make a drum kit work as it should, the hi hats has for example varied degrees of openness, not only notes and the sample players handle this with the idea of dimensions. The openness is usually handles by an expression pedal or modulation wheel when an Hi Hat pedal is not involved. Speaking about Hi Hat: One SFZ thing Linuxsampler does not handle (at the moment) is closing the previous samples when you trigger new ones when you varies the openness of it (in other word: it don't do it when you're keeping the same note), that mean that you can't play the sample library as a drummer would. The Linuxsampler devs took away this functionality early this year from the SVN repo. The (really bad) solution for now is to make a separate sample library for HHs and spread the varied openness items to different notes, then every trigging of a note can mute the previous sample. Natural Drum Kit is not the only library that have varied HH openness, I know that ANALOGUE DRUMS also does and i guess that most proffesional libraries have it. So my question is: Are someone aware of a decent Gig/SFZ sample player for Linux that can (or will) handle professional drum samples as described above? Thanks, Jostein -- Jostein Andersen - +46 73 6785 670 jcamusic.se - facebook.com/jcamusicsweden josteinandersen.se From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Oct 30 11:10:05 2013 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:10:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [nama] new music--constructive criticism appreciated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5270E90D.6060706@gmx.net> On 28.10.2013 18:21, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello rusty! > Very well done! I'd perhaps suggest taking the bass down a notch and > spreading the backing vocals a little more in the stereo panorama and > adding a touch more reverb to them. But the overall sound is clear, > direct and powerful. On the stereo mix issue. For my taste the rhythm guitar is too far left in the mix. It sounds a little unbalanced overall. The whole mix seems to "lean to the left". I agree on the cajon. Otherwise the recording of the instruments and vocals sounds totally fine. The music itself is not my bag of tea. But to each his own :D Have fun, Flo > Good work! > Warm regards > Julien > > ---------------------------------------- > Music, creative writing, technical information: > http://juliencoder.de/ > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 30 11:46:20 2013 From: lau at kudla.org (lau at kudla.org) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:46:20 -0400 Subject: [LAU] OT: how do you follow your favorite artist's releases? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5270F18C.8040004@kudla.org> On 2013-10-29 22:58, Bearcat M. ??ndor wrote: > I've been looking for a website that is not label specific that will > notify me when a band or other performer releases new music. I would > love it if i could go on to Amazon or discoggs or even lastfm, select > Porcupine Tree, or Cat Jahnke or Meshuggah and say "send me an email > when they come out with a new album." I haven't found such a thing. I have a number of strategies: I have Google set up for my favorite artists. Sometimes they catch reviews of old albums and stuff, but for exampl, that's how I found out about Kate Miller-Heidke's crowdfunding campaign that just finished. If they have their own mailing lists, I join them. One of my favorite bands has a Yahoo group where four out of the five members respond to questions and talk about stuff in general. Others have their PR firms handle it and it's a one-way street, but sometimes news is news even when it's wrapped in a sales pitch. I follow them on Facebook, Google+ and Twitter. On Facebook I set it up so their posts show up in my new notifications, at least until they go on one of those "here are 100 pictures of us from 15 years ago" binges that artists who do their own Facebook pages (or hire fans) often do. Twitter is a lost cause for me because it's just a big firehose, with no way to be selective about what you see (eliminating retweets, categorizing the people you follow, etc.) G+ is somewhere between the two. I also subscribe to some lower-volume music news sites for specific genres, such as Global Progressive Rock Weekly (that one has basically become an "'80s metal with odd time signatures" fan site, but it's the only one with new articles as I type this so it's my example). Finally, I use Yahoo Pipes to create RSS feeds from music review sites filtered by keyword. Pipes is also handy for tracking various free software related topics in non-free-software-focused media; for instance, I have one set up to give me any article on liliputing.com that mentions Linux. Rob From rmouneyres at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 12:22:37 2013 From: rmouneyres at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Mouneyres?=) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:22:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Gig/sfz: Linuxsampler vs. Highlife vs ?? In-Reply-To: <5270D1B2.7060709@vait.se> References: <5270D1B2.7060709@vait.se> Message-ID: Hello, One trick with hihats on linuxsampler is to handle it differently. One note will not mute another note. But, hitting the hihat will trigger multiple openess samples (depending on how many levels you want). Then the hi hat pedal will fade from one sample to another. This can be achevied with current sfz implementation i'm sure. May you need more info tell me. I will take a look at my notes. Rapha?l Le 30 oct. 2013 10:31, "Jostein Chr. Andersen" a ?crit : > Hi folks!, > > I'm currently using Linuxsampler for my GIG stuff and I'm wondering if I > should port my samples to SFZ. > > This is a very time consuming thing, where Natural Drum Kit (2+G +) is the > most important one. It's very complicated to make a drum kit work as it > should, the hi hats has for example varied degrees of openness, not only > notes and the sample players handle this with the idea of dimensions. The > openness is usually handles by an expression pedal or modulation wheel when > an Hi Hat pedal is not involved. > > Speaking about Hi Hat: One SFZ thing Linuxsampler does not handle (at the > moment) is closing the previous samples when you trigger new ones when you > varies the openness of it (in other word: it don't do it when you're > keeping the same note), that mean that you can't play the sample library as > a drummer would. The Linuxsampler devs took away this functionality early > this year from the SVN repo. The (really bad) solution for now is to make a > separate sample library for HHs and spread the varied openness items to > different notes, then every trigging of a note can mute the previous sample. > > Natural Drum Kit is not the only library that have varied HH openness, I > know that ANALOGUE DRUMS also does and i guess that most proffesional > libraries have it. > > So my question is: Are someone aware of a decent Gig/SFZ sample player for > Linux that can (or will) handle professional drum samples as described > above? > > > Thanks, > > Jostein > > -- > Jostein Andersen - +46 73 6785 670 > jcamusic.se - facebook.com/jcamusicsweden > josteinandersen.se > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jostein at vait.se Wed Oct 30 12:35:04 2013 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:35:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Gig/sfz: Linuxsampler vs. Highlife vs ?? In-Reply-To: References: <5270D1B2.7060709@vait.se> Message-ID: <5270FCF8.9040004@vait.se> On 10/30/2013 01:22 PM, Rapha?l Mouneyres wrote: > Hello, > One trick with hihats on linuxsampler is to handle it differently. > One note will not mute another note. > But, hitting the hihat will trigger multiple openess samples (depending > on how many levels you want). Then the hi hat pedal will fade from one > sample to another. > This can be achevied with current sfz implementation i'm sure. > May you need more info tell me. I will take a look at my notes. Thanks for answering Rapha?l, but I'm not sure if I understand you right, the sound (interference and many diffrent attack sounds at one time) and the feel will be wrong if you trigger multiple samples in one hit. What happens when you gradually lifts up or close the HH (very common in the real life), then the previous opened samples (while closing) will still ring. J. -- Jostein Andersen - +46 73 6785 670 jcamusic.se - facebook.com/jcamusicsweden josteinandersen.se From rmouneyres at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 18:17:03 2013 From: rmouneyres at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Mouneyres?=) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:17:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Gig/sfz: Linuxsampler vs. Highlife vs ?? In-Reply-To: <5270FCF8.9040004@vait.se> References: <5270D1B2.7060709@vait.se> <5270FCF8.9040004@vait.se> Message-ID: I will post back when i have access to my config with the sfz opcodes, so i can give you real details. To make it clearer now : several samples are launched simultaneously but only one has its volume opened at a time. It is the pedal CC which will change volumes of different "regions" containing different hihat openess samples. Some commercial drum samplers use this technique, even if not always perfect. Sfz is quite powerfull, and associated with NDK, results are really great. Rapha?l Le 30 oct. 2013 13:35, "Jostein Chr. Andersen" a ?crit : > On 10/30/2013 01:22 PM, Rapha?l Mouneyres wrote: > >> Hello, >> One trick with hihats on linuxsampler is to handle it differently. >> One note will not mute another note. >> But, hitting the hihat will trigger multiple openess samples (depending >> on how many levels you want). Then the hi hat pedal will fade from one >> sample to another. >> This can be achevied with current sfz implementation i'm sure. >> May you need more info tell me. I will take a look at my notes. >> > > Thanks for answering Rapha?l, but I'm not sure if I understand you right, > the sound (interference and many diffrent attack sounds at one time) and > the feel will be wrong if you trigger multiple samples in one hit. What > happens when you gradually lifts up or close the HH (very common in the > real life), then the previous opened samples (while closing) will still > ring. > > J. > > > > -- > Jostein Andersen - +46 73 6785 670 > jcamusic.se - facebook.com/jcamusicsweden > josteinandersen.se > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From louigi.verona at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 20:07:11 2013 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 00:07:11 +0400 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: <20131029181841.5088314pcas6jsap@server34.abstractdns.com> References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <20131029181841.5088314pcas6jsap@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: Barney, thanks for the review! It was very interesting to read, I rarely get feedback on my music, especially that detailed ;) Two things to comment. One - I am not a very good sound engineer so while I do learn and my productions become better and better, overall I do need services of a sound engineer or a tutor. I do get that sometimes from my friend who is a sound engineer. He did specifically help me out with Uranium, however, fixed version did not make it to the album since the eq plugin we used crashes on project reopen and I had to release the tune as it is. Two. This album aimed for the 1990-1994 trance feel. That explains 303 without distortion. I actually like 303 without distortion. So I guess no use comparing it to mixing techniques of today as I specifically listened to 1990s trance music collections when preparing for the album. Cheers and super thanks again for the review! L.V. On Oct 29, 2013 10:19 PM, "Barney Holmes" wrote: > Quoting Louigi Verona : > > Those guys should check out my album, this is exactly why I made it - to >> promote Linux Audio and to show that you can do this kind of music on it: >> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?**page=projects&s=music&t=**another_reality >> >> > Hello. This is great ! Reminds me of my copy of "trancentral four a trip > to goa. In the mix with Tsuyoshi Suzuki", Doof, Bass Chakra, etc ... > > http://www.discogs.com/**Tsuyoshi-Suzuki-Trancentral-** > Four-A-Trip-To-Goa/master/**45007 > > I notice music productions rarely contain logo's of services and/or > applications used to produce them, but films and video games do ... Nvidia > and Avid logo's ! > > Here is my "review" of your album keeping Linux audio use in mind. > > Note I was listening to this with an ear attuned to the production > techniques and mastering heard on places like Proton Radio - > http://protonradio.com/ - and recent mixes such as The Konstrukt by Danny > Oliveira a talented Miami/Brazilian DJ/Producer - > https://soundcloud.com/dnyo/**sets/the-konstrukt > > Elementary Waves ... problem with intro. not as high quality as later on > in the track, but gets good ~3:30 minutes where you start using the sample. > > A note here. 303 and Distortion ? Distortion filter can make a massive > difference to the 303 sound. The 303 in Rebirth could do some REALLY > strange things, don't know how that compares to a real 303 because I've > never used one, but plan to get a 303 clone - > http://greatsynthesizers.com/**en/general-en/2013/03/bass-** > bot-tt-303-the-new-roland-tb-**303/ > > Another reality. Nice use of synth ! > > Production in this one - this is gonna be honest, but please remember I'm > taking something in isolation here, and only this track. Percussion sounds > are too regimented (think of those bad MIDI demo's that come with some > software) and need to be made more dynamic, richer and randomised - see > blog post - http://djbarney.wordpress.com/**2013/10/27/generating-** > synthesised-drums-and-**percussion-in-linux-using-**yoshimi/ > > Incredible Things - hey breakbeat ! Again there's some fine detail and > depth missing in the breakbeat. But this track sounds nicely upbeat with > good use of sample and composition. > > Solar Traveller - hang on, this break beat is MUCH better. You should > probably look into exactly why that is, and keep on doing it. Rolling ! > > Seaside - sorry got distracted when listening to this one. I'll go back to > this later. > > North Pole - I can hear this one being played on Proton Radio - > http://protonradio.com/ - and it would stand up nicely amongst all the > other tracks. > > Acid Astronautic - love the 303 in this, very spacey. Goa Trance. the > drum/percussion could maybe be a bit more dynamic or randomised but that > may just be my own personal listening tastes. > > Uranium - this is a good rich sounding 303 line that starts this. This is > the best one. This should be first track on your album if you ask me. It > really sounds like it could have been produced on Mac, Windows or Linux, or > a recording studio. > > Was thinking some more about this. I think in a lot of track production > the trick is the final mix down and mastering that gives everything that > "silky smooth" sound. It's a work of art like a painting, a well designed > building or a cordon blue/Gourmet meal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/** > Gourmet > > Thanks for your album ! This is exactly where I am heading at the moment. > I want to produce quality dance music that will enhance people's life's and > help them. I started thinking of producing music to be much like starting a > good bakery. If it tastes and smells good then it will sell. If I start > putting the Linux logo on my releases, well I don't know yet ;) You have > also inspired me to look at modular synths (Linux of course) for modelling > the 303 sounds, and building the PCF filter in Propellerhead Rebirth which > I've never seen anything else do. There are circuit diagrams available for > the 303 which can be worked from. I'll also check out Nekobee :) > > DJ Barney > > ______________________________**_________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.**linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pnwright at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 20:48:46 2013 From: pnwright at gmail.com (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:48:46 -0700 Subject: [LAU] another linux audio bashing thread on slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <201310281042.55839.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20131028110732.0073017bd2e1257c70719789@brainiac.com> <20131028191340.GA23669@village.keycorner.org> <1382987951.2310.21.camel@archlinux> <526EBCC5.6040904@gmail.com> <1382989298.2310.31.camel@archlinux> <526EC0C0.4070402@gmail.com> <1382990466.2310.38.camel@archlinux> <20131028200755.048db2fe@debian> <20131029181841.5088314pcas6jsap@server34.abstractdns.com> Message-ID: I would certainly be safe from putting my foot in my mouth if I wrote with pencil and paper. Nobody could read it! (Including me, a day or two later.) Talk about plausible deniability... Now back to the regular program...uh...what was it again? cheers Pete On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: > Barney, thanks for the review! It was very interesting to read, I rarely > get feedback on my music, especially that detailed ;) > > Two things to comment. One - I am not a very good sound engineer so while > I do learn and my productions become better and better, overall I do need > services of a sound engineer or a tutor. I do get that sometimes from my > friend who is a sound engineer. He did specifically help me out with > Uranium, however, fixed version did not make it to the album since the eq > plugin we used crashes on project reopen and I had to release the tune as > it is. > > Two. This album aimed for the 1990-1994 trance feel. That explains 303 > without distortion. I actually like 303 without distortion. So I guess no > use comparing it to mixing techniques of today as I specifically listened > to 1990s trance music collections when preparing for the album. > > Cheers and super thanks again for the review! > > L.V. > On Oct 29, 2013 10:19 PM, "Barney Holmes" wrote: > >> Quoting Louigi Verona : >> >> Those guys should check out my album, this is exactly why I made it - to >>> promote Linux Audio and to show that you can do this kind of music on it: >>> http://www.louigiverona.ru/?**page=projects&s=music&t=**another_reality >>> >>> >> Hello. This is great ! Reminds me of my copy of "trancentral four a trip >> to goa. In the mix with Tsuyoshi Suzuki", Doof, Bass Chakra, etc ... >> >> http://www.discogs.com/**Tsuyoshi-Suzuki-Trancentral-** >> Four-A-Trip-To-Goa/master/**45007 >> >> I notice music productions rarely contain logo's of services and/or >> applications used to produce them, but films and video games do ... Nvidia >> and Avid logo's ! >> >> Here is my "review" of your album keeping Linux audio use in mind. >> >> Note I was listening to this with an ear attuned to the production >> techniques and mastering heard on places like Proton Radio - >> http://protonradio.com/ - and recent mixes such as The Konstrukt by >> Danny Oliveira a talented Miami/Brazilian DJ/Producer - >> https://soundcloud.com/dnyo/**sets/the-konstrukt >> >> Elementary Waves ... problem with intro. not as high quality as later on >> in the track, but gets good ~3:30 minutes where you start using the sample. >> >> A note here. 303 and Distortion ? Distortion filter can make a massive >> difference to the 303 sound. The 303 in Rebirth could do some REALLY >> strange things, don't know how that compares to a real 303 because I've >> never used one, but plan to get a 303 clone - >> http://greatsynthesizers.com/**en/general-en/2013/03/bass-** >> bot-tt-303-the-new-roland-tb-**303/ >> >> Another reality. Nice use of synth ! >> >> Production in this one - this is gonna be honest, but please remember I'm >> taking something in isolation here, and only this track. Percussion sounds >> are too regimented (think of those bad MIDI demo's that come with some >> software) and need to be made more dynamic, richer and randomised - see >> blog post - http://djbarney.wordpress.com/**2013/10/27/generating-** >> synthesised-drums-and-**percussion-in-linux-using-**yoshimi/ >> >> Incredible Things - hey breakbeat ! Again there's some fine detail and >> depth missing in the breakbeat. But this track sounds nicely upbeat with >> good use of sample and composition. >> >> Solar Traveller - hang on, this break beat is MUCH better. You should >> probably look into exactly why that is, and keep on doing it. Rolling ! >> >> Seaside - sorry got distracted when listening to this one. I'll go back >> to this later. >> >> North Pole - I can hear this one being played on Proton Radio - >> http://protonradio.com/ - and it would stand up nicely amongst all the >> other tracks. >> >> Acid Astronautic - love the 303 in this, very spacey. Goa Trance. the >> drum/percussion could maybe be a bit more dynamic or randomised but that >> may just be my own personal listening tastes. >> >> Uranium - this is a good rich sounding 303 line that starts this. This is >> the best one. This should be first track on your album if you ask me. It >> really sounds like it could have been produced on Mac, Windows or Linux, or >> a recording studio. >> >> Was thinking some more about this. I think in a lot of track production >> the trick is the final mix down and mastering that gives everything that >> "silky smooth" sound. It's a work of art like a painting, a well designed >> building or a cordon blue/Gourmet meal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/** >> Gourmet >> >> Thanks for your album ! This is exactly where I am heading at the moment. >> I want to produce quality dance music that will enhance people's life's and >> help them. I started thinking of producing music to be much like starting a >> good bakery. If it tastes and smells good then it will sell. If I start >> putting the Linux logo on my releases, well I don't know yet ;) You have >> also inspired me to look at modular synths (Linux of course) for modelling >> the 303 sounds, and building the PCF filter in Propellerhead Rebirth which >> I've never seen anything else do. There are circuit diagrams available for >> the 303 which can be worked from. 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URL: From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk Thu Oct 31 19:41:38 2013 From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:41:38 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A Seasonal Track. Message-ID: <20131031194138.0108a3c7@debian> Recently, re-composed, re-mixed, re-polished :) http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Halloween.ogg -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From julien at mail.upb.de Thu Oct 31 20:51:01 2013 From: julien at mail.upb.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:51:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] A Seasonal Track. In-Reply-To: <20131031194138.0108a3c7@debian> References: <20131031194138.0108a3c7@debian> Message-ID: Hello Will! I can safely say, that this is my favourite tune of yours! I like the harmonies and melody lines as well as the mix. there is darkness here and the cold menace of ice and the unknown. This tune speaks of film music, clearer than Between the Stars and has more darkness than In Search of the Lost Tribe or Dark Mist. The organ is rather cliche, but who says, that cliche is necessarily a bad thing. I don't! :-) From an almost merry introduction you quickly progress to pompous cinema. When I say merry, I'm thinking of a children's ghost story for Halloween. The next section is almost 70s. It's the vibrato patch and the acoustic hihats. As I say: I love it! More of this! the Yoshimi patches are great for that kind of music, if you put your mind to it. Thanks a lot for sharing. Warm regards Julien ---------------------------------------- Music, creative writing, technical information: http://juliencoder.de/