From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug  1 12:44:03 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 08:44:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Godescalc's Song
Message-ID: <579F4413.4030707@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

This piece is a setting of a secular melody from the 9th century CE, the 
tune is by Godescalc, an unwilling Benedictine monk from Reichenau. I've 
used the transcription by Coussemaker, the simple harmonization is my own.

     http://linux-sound.org/audio/GodescalcsSong.flac

     http://linux-sound.org/audio/GodescalcsSong.ogg

     http://linux-sound.org/audio/GodescalcsSong.mp3

Style: Modern Medieval ambient. :)

Synths include u-he's Triple Cheese, Diva, and ACE. discoDSP's Discovery 
Pro is also used. Produced and rendered with Bitwig 1.3.12.

No post to SoundClod this time.

Comments welcome, as always.

Best,

dp


From silvain at freeshell.de  Mon Aug  1 16:44:19 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:44:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Godescalc's Song
In-Reply-To: <579F4413.4030707@woh.rr.com>
References: <579F4413.4030707@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1608011841130.27033@freeshell.de>

Dave Phillips, Aug 1 2016:

> Greetings,
>
> This piece is a setting of a secular melody from the 9th century CE, the tune 
> is by Godescalc, an unwilling Benedictine monk from Reichenau. I've used the 
> transcription by Coussemaker, the simple harmonization is my own.
>
>    http://linux-sound.org/audio/GodescalcsSong.flac
...
Hey hey Dave,
I loved it. When I heard the first note, I immediately thought of the Midwitch Cuckoos. In the very early 1980s the BBC made it into a radioplay.
Beautiful music and the rendition is really timeless. Very nice choice and lovely, simple performance. Thank you.

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Aug  2 11:03:59 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 07:03:59 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] The DX7 is now on-line
Message-ID: <57A07E1F.9020307@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

https://dx7.vstforx.de/

Requires Firefox 47+, Chrome/Chromium 52+, or Opera 38+.

Sounds good, not exactly Hexter but not bad at all. :)

Best,

dp


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Aug  2 11:49:59 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 07:49:59 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] The Silver Walks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1607300941060.4919@summer.q>
References: <5794DCF2.2080605@woh.rr.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1607291126331.4919@summer.q> <579B2C16.5010400@woh.rr.com>
 <CAFa_cKmETNLMSt2j9U=GEAvYCNSPx8q8pbengtXww=1oFLYTrg@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1607300941060.4919@summer.q>
Message-ID: <57A088E7.9080504@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

On 07/30/2016 05:12 AM, Tim Goetze wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 6:12 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>>> The lead was composed note by note, as is my usual way. Imagine a
>>> keyboardist with no hands, that's the level of playing ability I have on
>>> the musical keyboard. :)  I do envy the real players here like Steve D and
>>> Luigi.
> The phrasing of the lead synths sounds very nice and organic, well done
> Dave.

Thanks, Tim !

>> Buy yourself an Ableton Push 2. You can use it today with Bitwig, and next
>> month with Ardour 5. Use it in "in-key" mode and every note you hit will be
>> in key. It is like magic! :)
> An intriguing idea that -- seeing his composing skills -- will
> probably be more useful to Dave has been mentioned on lau/lad a few
> years ago:
>
> Take a section of already composed notes and, while playback of the
> rest of the arrangement runs, use only the timing and velocity data
> from live keyboard input to "stamp" the notes in question.
>
> An example made using this technique: http://youtu.be/e1f50tN95Qw
>

While I appreciate and value this advice - and you're right, it's been 
given to me before now - I want to clarify why I write and record as I do.

Having got a late start as a composer I'm driven to "get it all out" 
before I shuffle off Ye Olde Mortal Coil. Had I been connected to a 
university or other "officially sanctioned" center I would have been 
more directly involved with actual players. As it is, I have no such 
connections and am compelled - thanks to this "first instrument of the 
mind" - to write and record for what ensembles are available to me, i.e. 
a blues band and a computer, my two primary musical involvements.

My blues music stands on its own, it's performable by anyone anywhere. 
My computer music is often written with no consideration for human 
playability, though some of my recent piano music could be pressed into 
service. This condition comes about through the factors mentioned above, 
and it isn't likely to change, barring some unseen entry into the halls 
of academe. Fortunately, I have no complaint. My "mind models" include 
Conlon Nancarrow, Bach's Kunst der Fuge, and certain productions from 
the Ars Nova period in which little consideration was made for actual 
players. (Or as in Nancarrow's music, not made at all for actual players).

I could put in the time to make more "realistic" renderings, but at this 
point in life I'm dedicated to 1) rendering my musical ideas into 
recorded forms, and 2) notating what I do think is playable in 
productions involving conventional instrumentation. Long-term projects, 
quite boring and time-consuming. I scarcely play the guitar much anymore 
outside of teaching, I'm not likely to make the effort to punch a 
piano-style keyboard. OTOH, I will make MIDI files of my works available 
for anyone who wants to take their own swing at putting a little more 
life into them.

Yet one more thing about my music. When I started working with computers 
in the mid 1980s I was advised that my efforts would be best rewarded if 
I really learned one program completely instead of flitting from this 
new thing to the next. Hence my continued reliance on an antique MIDI 
sequencer running under an MS-DOS emulator. It has depth, and I *know* 
that program thoroughly, I can work with it extremely quickly and 
efficiently. At this time only Bitwig rivals it for my purposes, and 
trust me, even BW falls severely short of that ancient sequencer's 
musical capabilities. In other words, I mastered the thing, and I tend 
to stick with those instruments I've mastered.

My more purely computer music is a whole other story. I'm still in awe 
of the capabilities at hand - especially in Ardour and Csound - and 
obviously I'm still working on their mastery.

Many thanks and vasty appreciation to everyone who listened and 
responded to the music ! :)

Best,

dp


From info at bandshed.net  Tue Aug  2 14:21:28 2016
From: info at bandshed.net (Glen MacArthur)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 07:21:28 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [Music] The Silver Walks
In-Reply-To: <57A088E7.9080504@woh.rr.com>
References: <5794DCF2.2080605@woh.rr.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1607291126331.4919@summer.q>
 <579B2C16.5010400@woh.rr.com>
 <CAFa_cKmETNLMSt2j9U=GEAvYCNSPx8q8pbengtXww=1oFLYTrg@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1607300941060.4919@summer.q>
 <57A088E7.9080504@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4a530f7a7784733e7d816241f869472d.squirrel@webmail.dreamhost.com>

Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> On 07/30/2016 05:12 AM, Tim Goetze wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 6:12 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> The lead was composed note by note, as is my usual way. Imagine a
>>>> keyboardist with no hands, that's the level of playing ability I have
>>>> on
>>>> the musical keyboard. :)  I do envy the real players here like Steve D
>>>> and
>>>> Luigi.
>> The phrasing of the lead synths sounds very nice and organic, well done
>> Dave.
>
> Thanks, Tim !
>
>>> Buy yourself an Ableton Push 2. You can use it today with Bitwig, and
>>> next
>>> month with Ardour 5. Use it in "in-key" mode and every note you hit
>>> will be
>>> in key. It is like magic! :)
>> An intriguing idea that -- seeing his composing skills -- will
>> probably be more useful to Dave has been mentioned on lau/lad a few
>> years ago:
>>
>> Take a section of already composed notes and, while playback of the
>> rest of the arrangement runs, use only the timing and velocity data
>> from live keyboard input to "stamp" the notes in question.
>>
>> An example made using this technique: http://youtu.be/e1f50tN95Qw
>>
>
> While I appreciate and value this advice - and you're right, it's been
> given to me before now - I want to clarify why I write and record as I do.
>
> Having got a late start as a composer I'm driven to "get it all out"
> before I shuffle off Ye Olde Mortal Coil. Had I been connected to a
> university or other "officially sanctioned" center I would have been
> more directly involved with actual players. As it is, I have no such
> connections and am compelled - thanks to this "first instrument of the
> mind" - to write and record for what ensembles are available to me, i.e.
> a blues band and a computer, my two primary musical involvements.
>
> My blues music stands on its own, it's performable by anyone anywhere.
> My computer music is often written with no consideration for human
> playability, though some of my recent piano music could be pressed into
> service. This condition comes about through the factors mentioned above,
> and it isn't likely to change, barring some unseen entry into the halls
> of academe. Fortunately, I have no complaint. My "mind models" include
> Conlon Nancarrow, Bach's Kunst der Fuge, and certain productions from
> the Ars Nova period in which little consideration was made for actual
> players. (Or as in Nancarrow's music, not made at all for actual players).
>
> I could put in the time to make more "realistic" renderings, but at this
> point in life I'm dedicated to 1) rendering my musical ideas into
> recorded forms, and 2) notating what I do think is playable in
> productions involving conventional instrumentation. Long-term projects,
> quite boring and time-consuming. I scarcely play the guitar much anymore
> outside of teaching, I'm not likely to make the effort to punch a
> piano-style keyboard. OTOH, I will make MIDI files of my works available
> for anyone who wants to take their own swing at putting a little more
> life into them.
>
> Yet one more thing about my music. When I started working with computers
> in the mid 1980s I was advised that my efforts would be best rewarded if
> I really learned one program completely instead of flitting from this
> new thing to the next. Hence my continued reliance on an antique MIDI
> sequencer running under an MS-DOS emulator. It has depth, and I *know*
> that program thoroughly, I can work with it extremely quickly and
> efficiently. At this time only Bitwig rivals it for my purposes, and
> trust me, even BW falls severely short of that ancient sequencer's
> musical capabilities. In other words, I mastered the thing, and I tend
> to stick with those instruments I've mastered.
>
> My more purely computer music is a whole other story. I'm still in awe
> of the capabilities at hand - especially in Ardour and Csound - and
> obviously I'm still working on their mastery.
>
> Many thanks and vasty appreciation to everyone who listened and
> responded to the music ! :)
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

Hi! Well said Dave!

I totally subscribe to the 'first instrument of the mind' idea, the mind
is the creative agent, the body whether it is trained to master the cello
at a high falutin' conservatory or to master Digital Orchestrator on a
computer keyboard that aspect is a completely secondary subject with it's
own merits and pitfalls.

As you've said the idea is to get the minds ideas onto a canvas (or into
an earbud) and the methodology is mostly a matter of opinion and far too
often degenerates into comparatives and gymnastics. The proof of the
pudding is in the eating so they say, and with (all of) your works the
eating is very good :)

Oh and please don't begin to say your blues compositions can be done by
anyone anywhere, I don't know ANYONE who can sing like that, yes, many
also sing well and many sing differently but ain't nobody singin' like
Dave Phillips! your approach and facility with the tiniest nuances of that
beautiful artform are no different than your complete immersion and
ability to manipulate the minute details of that old Voyetra sequencer.

Anyway an interesting approach, best to you and keep documenting!

Glen



From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 01:24:07 2016
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraZ)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:24:07 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [OT] The DX7 is now on-line
In-Reply-To: <57A07E1F.9020307@woh.rr.com>
References: <57A07E1F.9020307@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5yCk4_ftX8gjDuTd68VinSn2jX+PnFo-WuYK+4QfZrB=Q@mail.gmail.com>

2016-08-02 4:03 GMT-07:00 Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>:

> Greetings,
>
> https://dx7.vstforx.de/
>
> Requires Firefox 47+, Chrome/Chromium 52+, or Opera 38+.
>
> Sounds good, not exactly Hexter but not bad at all. :)
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

That's really great, Dave.

I'd love to know how did you develop that, I guess HTML5 and some libraries
to help you with the graphics and audio.

Thanks.
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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Wed Aug  3 02:10:57 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:10:57 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] The DX7 is now on-line
In-Reply-To: <CA+O6s5yCk4_ftX8gjDuTd68VinSn2jX+PnFo-WuYK+4QfZrB=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On 08/02/2016 09:24 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraZ wrote:
>
>
> 2016-08-02 4:03 GMT-07:00 Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com 
> <mailto:dlphillips at woh.rr.com>>:
>
>     Greetings,
>
>     https://dx7.vstforx.de/
>
>     Requires Firefox 47+, Chrome/Chromium 52+, or Opera 38+.
>
>     Sounds good, not exactly Hexter but not bad at all. :)
>
>     Best,
>
>     dp
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Linux-audio-user mailing list
>     Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>     <mailto:Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>     http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
> That's really great, Dave.
>
> I'd love to know how did you develop that, I guess HTML5 and some 
> libraries to help you with the graphics and audio.
>
>

:) It's not my work, Carlos, I apologize if I gave that impression. It's 
by Johannes Unger.

Incidentally, the synth engine is based on Hexter, my favorite FM softsynth.

Best,

dp

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From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Wed Aug  3 07:49:52 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:49:52 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Godescalc's Song
In-Reply-To: <579F4413.4030707@woh.rr.com>
References: <579F4413.4030707@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20160803084952.00e5724e@debian>

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 08:44:03 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> This piece is a setting of a secular melody from the 9th century CE, the 
> tune is by Godescalc, an unwilling Benedictine monk from Reichenau. I've 
> used the transcription by Coussemaker, the simple harmonization is my own.
> 
>      http://linux-sound.org/audio/GodescalcsSong.flac
> 
>      http://linux-sound.org/audio/GodescalcsSong.ogg
> 
>      http://linux-sound.org/audio/GodescalcsSong.mp3
> 
> Style: Modern Medieval ambient. :)
> 
> Synths include u-he's Triple Cheese, Diva, and ACE. discoDSP's Discovery 
> Pro is also used. Produced and rendered with Bitwig 1.3.12.
> 
> No post to SoundClod this time.
> 
> Comments welcome, as always.
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp

Very much enjoyed this. I can imagine it being played in an old country house,
the sound drifting through the rooms.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Wed Aug  3 08:01:42 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:01:42 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [Music] jam25 feat. Wavedrum solo
In-Reply-To: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160803090142.3610f116@debian>

Interesting work. Some very nice ideas woven into this.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Wed Aug  3 12:02:52 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:02:52 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] jam25 feat. Wavedrum solo
In-Reply-To: <20160803090142.3610f116@debian>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla>
	<20160803090142.3610f116@debian>
Message-ID: <20160803080252.4d5210af@mevla>

On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:01:42 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> Interesting work. Some very nice ideas woven into this.

Thanks !

Cheers.



From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Wed Aug  3 23:55:54 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:55:54 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] jam25 feat. Wavedrum solo
In-Reply-To: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla>
Message-ID: <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>



On 07/30/2016 04:24 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> ...
> Enjoy.
>
> https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam25
>
>

Sweetly done ! :)

Best,

dp


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Aug  4 00:01:44 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:01:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] listening to the quiet machine
Message-ID: <57A285E8.80302@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

I finally got around to replacing the stock CPU fan in my machine. I got 
an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro (r2), took about ten minutes to install for an 
AMD3+ socket, works beautifully. Major reduction in the noise here, at 
long last. Now I can get to recording some acoustic stuff I've had 
hanging around for a year or two.

Best,

dp


From jostein at vivaldi.net  Thu Aug  4 06:21:58 2016
From: jostein at vivaldi.net (Jostein Chr. Andersen)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 08:21:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] listening to the quiet machine
In-Reply-To: <57A285E8.80302@woh.rr.com>
References: <57A285E8.80302@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1526647.osBiUeau71@jca-wolf>

On onsdag 3 augusti 2016 kl. 20:01:44 CEST Dave Phillips wrote:
> I finally got around to replacing the stock CPU fan in my machine. I got
> an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro (r2), took about ten minutes to install for an
> AMD3+ socket, works beautifully. Major reduction in the noise here, at
> long last. Now I can get to recording some acoustic stuff I've had
> hanging around for a year or two.

Cool, I'm looking forward to hear it! :-)

Speaking about fan noise: I was luckily able to do this: I made a small hole i 
the wall and placed the computer outside the studio. So S/PDIF, USB, ethernet 
and sound card interface cables are running trough it. That said, I'm also 
using a Fractal Design Define R5 chassis for the computer, so the CPU is seldom 
hotter than 30 degrees Celsius and the thing is almost dead quiet.  :-)



Jostein

From ico at vt.edu  Thu Aug  4 14:16:08 2016
From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:16:08 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] listening to the quiet machine
In-Reply-To: <1526647.osBiUeau71@jca-wolf>
References: <57A285E8.80302@woh.rr.com> <1526647.osBiUeau71@jca-wolf>
Message-ID: <7519c6e2-0afe-7209-00d3-7decc5bf9e46@vt.edu>

If the budget is not a huge constraint, for more recent machines look 
for cases that have plenty of grills, particularly on top (since heat 
rises you don't want to trap it with a solid top cover), get a Ninja 
series cooler and a fanless GPU. On the Virginia Tech DISIS machines we 
have entire machine with respectable specs (recent i7, Zotac fanless 
Nvidia GT 750, fanless PSU, SSD, 16GB RAM) and a single fan on the Ninja 
cooler running at 600rpm being effectively silent unless you put your 
ear next to the back of the case. If you choose to go with a spinning HD 
you will find that HD noise will be incredibly bothersome because it 
will be the only thing you hear.

Below is the itemization of the most recent items for a performance 
(~$1,250) vs. economy options (~$1K) based on June prices. GPU will be 
by far the hardest thing to find because it is not in production 
anymore. I suspect you could forgo the GPU and just rely on the 
integrated Intel chip which is actually pretty respectable.

PERFORMANCE:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133212 Computer 
case    $79.99     1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559 CPU    
$314.99     1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130873 
Motherboard    $174.99     1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MTSWFMM    RAM 16GB    $57.99     1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151122 Power 
supply    $139.99     1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KFAGCUM/    Solid state hard 
drive    $199.98     1

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-DisplayPort-Graphics-ZT-70707-20M/dp/B00MO4MOPE 
Video card    $230.56     1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B017S3ZJNY/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new 
CPU cooler    $53.44     1


ECONOMY:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133212 Computer 
case    $79.99     1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369 CPU    
$204.99     1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130873 
Motherboard    $174.99     1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MTSWFMM    RAM    $57.99     1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151122 Power 
supply    $139.99     1

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX200-250GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B00RQA6DTE/ 
Solid state hard drive    $79.97     1

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-DisplayPort-Graphics-ZT-70707-20M/dp/B00MO4MOPE 
Video card    $230.56     1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B017S3ZJNY/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new 
CPU cooler    $53.44     1

HTH

Best,

Ico

From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 19:16:35 2016
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraZ)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:16:35 -0700
Subject: [LAU] [OT] The DX7 is now on-line
In-Reply-To: <57A152B1.3080302@woh.rr.com>
References: <57A07E1F.9020307@woh.rr.com>
 <CA+O6s5yCk4_ftX8gjDuTd68VinSn2jX+PnFo-WuYK+4QfZrB=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <57A152B1.3080302@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5wFtTGfh_7OnvcRMbDr8OC6N5TYkbL3M9LcFuArses5mQ@mail.gmail.com>

2016-08-02 19:10 GMT-07:00 Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>:

>
>
> On 08/02/2016 09:24 PM, Carlos sanchiavedraZ wrote:
>
>
>
> 2016-08-02 4:03 GMT-07:00 Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> https://dx7.vstforx.de/
>>
>> Requires Firefox 47+, Chrome/Chromium 52+, or Opera 38+.
>>
>> Sounds good, not exactly Hexter but not bad at all. :)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>
> That's really great, Dave.
>
> I'd love to know how did you develop that, I guess HTML5 and some
> libraries to help you with the graphics and audio.
>
>
>
> :) It's not my work, Carlos, I apologize if I gave that impression. It's
> by Johannes Unger.
>
> Incidentally, the synth engine is based on Hexter, my favorite FM
> softsynth.
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>
Ah, ok, no problem :)

Nice work from Johannes, then.

Best,
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From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug  6 00:38:31 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 20:38:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] jam25 feat. Wavedrum solo
In-Reply-To: <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla>
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Message-ID: <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>

On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:55:54 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> On 07/30/2016 04:24 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> > ...
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam25
> >
> >
> 
> Sweetly done ! :)

Thanks !

Cheers.

From mott at reverberant.com  Sat Aug  6 12:35:06 2016
From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:35:06 -0300
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>

Hi list,

I need to set up a linux computer with 8 balanced outputs for an event 
next month and I'd like to ask what are the current makes/models that 
work well in Linux, ie. with simple installation.

It will be set up on a desktop linux computer so a PCI card interface 
will be OK. It doesn't need to have a mixer and the number of inputs 
isn't important.

I personally use a RME Multiface Mark 1. It's very old and in recent 
years it has become a bit unreliable on start up (it needs to be 
pre-warmed-up to start up properly ) so I don't want to risk taking it.

Please send suggestions.

Thanks!

Iain

From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Aug  6 13:33:34 2016
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 13:33:34 +0000
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
Message-ID: <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 09:35:06AM -0300, Iain Mott wrote:

> I need to set up a linux computer with 8 balanced outputs for an
> event next month and I'd like to ask what are the current
> makes/models that work well in Linux, ie. with simple installation.
> 
> It will be set up on a desktop linux computer so a PCI card
> interface will be OK. It doesn't need to have a mixer and the number
> of inputs isn't important.
> 
> I personally use a RME Multiface Mark 1. It's very old and in recent
> years it has become a bit unreliable on start up (it needs to be
> pre-warmed-up to start up properly ) so I don't want to risk taking
> it.

An RME Multiface II is the first thing I'd think of if you want
8 high quality balanced line outs. And since you already have
the interface...

Other options would be anything having an ADAT output combined
with an 8-ch AD converter such as the Aphex 141.

I recently got an RME Babyface Pro. Works great in CC mode, and
has ADAT out (as well as 2 balanced and 2 unbalanced line outs
of its own).

The problem with your old Multiface could be just some ageing
components. Capacitors in the power circuits would be the first
suspects. Could be easy to fix.

Ciao, 

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From mott at reverberant.com  Sat Aug  6 18:26:03 2016
From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 15:26:03 -0300
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>

Thanks Fons, I'm pretty sure the Mutliface II has been discontinued. Can 
the babyface pro can be used with any ADAT output device to get 8 outs?

It's still unclear whether this event will purchase or rent the device 
so I'm not sure of the budget. It's in China, so I guess there should be 
lots of options - and there is an RME distributer there.

If anyone has other suggestions, please send.

Iain




Em 06-08-2016 10:33, Fons Adriaensen escreveu:
> On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 09:35:06AM -0300, Iain Mott wrote:
>
>> I need to set up a linux computer with 8 balanced outputs for an
>> event next month and I'd like to ask what are the current
>> makes/models that work well in Linux, ie. with simple installation.
>>
>> It will be set up on a desktop linux computer so a PCI card
>> interface will be OK. It doesn't need to have a mixer and the number
>> of inputs isn't important.
>>
>> I personally use a RME Multiface Mark 1. It's very old and in recent
>> years it has become a bit unreliable on start up (it needs to be
>> pre-warmed-up to start up properly ) so I don't want to risk taking
>> it.
> An RME Multiface II is the first thing I'd think of if you want
> 8 high quality balanced line outs. And since you already have
> the interface...
>
> Other options would be anything having an ADAT output combined
> with an 8-ch AD converter such as the Aphex 141.
>
> I recently got an RME Babyface Pro. Works great in CC mode, and
> has ADAT out (as well as 2 balanced and 2 unbalanced line outs
> of its own).
>
> The problem with your old Multiface could be just some ageing
> components. Capacitors in the power circuits would be the first
> suspects. Could be easy to fix.
>
> Ciao,
>


From silvain at freeshell.de  Sat Aug  6 18:38:58 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 20:38:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
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 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
Message-ID: <1608062036200.9449@freeshell.de>

Iain Mott, Aug 6 2016:
...
> If anyone has other suggestions, please send.
I'm not sure if these cards meet your specs, but the E-Mu 1212m or 1616m have connectors for ADAT. I had one once, but I guess my ADAT converter wasn't good. But the 1212m could take 8 ins and 8 outs from the ADAT connectors. I think they're still going and not too expensive.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From lfzawacki at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 19:13:42 2016
From: lfzawacki at gmail.com (Lucas Zawacki)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 16:13:42 -0300
Subject: [LAU] The Musical Artifacts Survey
In-Reply-To: <CAChKjCE6583r8rbEKF2hPmCXRV=zdXBZUdzjQ1=j2o6p8HK+yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAChKjCHPYgRKgAfUYfLM_kg2xUUz=k4QL4w_ZTwBP9J=B35uPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAChKjCF=xnx-31MR=XZOfn=WT73r7u6r5dX-B9Y9LMziCH7RRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Finally, I present you with the survey results
https://musical-artifacts.com/info/survey !

Cheers,
Lucas

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:38 AM, Lucas Zawacki <lfzawacki at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll close this survey in 2 days, get your answers in now if you want to
> contribute.
>
> Thanks for all the answers to far!
>
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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Aug  6 19:35:21 2016
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 19:35:21 +0000
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
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 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
Message-ID: <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 03:26:03PM -0300, Iain Mott wrote:

> Thanks Fons, I'm pretty sure the Mutliface II has been discontinued.
> Can the babyface pro can be used with any ADAT output device to get
> 8 outs?

Yes. It has 4 ins (2 mic, 2 line) and 4 outs on board, plus
the ADAT in and out. 12 channels in and out.

BTW, the Aphex converters are really good. I had 24 of them
in Parma for the WFS intallation. There were in 2 big racks
together with 3 RME MADI/ADAT converters and the power amps.
Over the years all of the RMEs failed (cheap chinese power
supplies burned out), but the Aphexes just got on doing their
job, even when really hot. Only downside is that you need a
DB25 to XLR or TRS breakout cable.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Aug  6 20:50:56 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 21:50:56 +0100
Subject: [LAU] A bit of instrument patch investigation
Message-ID: <20160806215056.3bb2b24f@debian>

Recently I was given a Yoshimi patch set with one instrument that takes 11.5
seconds to load! It's a pure padsynth one with a very large sample size. Well
the first bit of good news is that although it holds up the GUI for that time,
everything else carries on serenely.

However, this prompted me to implement a millisecond timer to find out just how
long patches usually take to load. It has actually been very instructive!

Almost all pure SubSynth patches take 1mS on my machine.

AddSynth ones can be that low, but rapidly go up into the tens if you have
things like unison and/or modulators operating.

PadSynth ones start at around 40mS and are frequently up to 80mS. Then of
course, there's that monster at 11.5 seconds!

Some of my multi-engine patches are about 160mS.

I don't know why we didn't think of this before. It will be very useful for
getting the right position when you want in-program patch changes.

In the current master I also added root and bank load times but in microseconds
(MIDI & CLI only). Typically 15uS for a bank change, and 30uS for a root
change, so it's probably not worth recording those!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From silvain at freeshell.de  Sat Aug  6 21:04:32 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:04:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
Message-ID: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>

Hey hey everyone,
sorry for the OT< but I can't find it and it's driving me crazy.

I'm looking for a song I remember from my early childhood in the 80s. I think 
the second half of the 80s and it starts with vocals only (or maybe a few 
drums). Someone sings
"It's a love" in a high register and then the line is repeated about two 
octaves below. That goes on twice I believe.
I have a feeling the drums were 80s drum machine or heavily gated with that 
typical roomey sounding reverb. But nothing else.

That bit popped into my head a few days ago and even though I searched the net 
and a friends large music library, I couldn't find it. I have a feeling I 
might not even like the song particularly, but that feeling of being on the 
tip of my brain and not being able to grasp it, is driving me utterly crazy.

Thanks for any help and appologies again for the OT>

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Sat Aug  6 21:07:05 2016
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 23:07:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>

depeche mode - master and servant :)

On August 6, 2016 11:04:32 PM GMT+02:00, Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de> wrote:
>Hey hey everyone,
>sorry for the OT< but I can't find it and it's driving me crazy.
>
>I'm looking for a song I remember from my early childhood in the 80s. I
>think 
>the second half of the 80s and it starts with vocals only (or maybe a
>few 
>drums). Someone sings
>"It's a love" in a high register and then the line is repeated about
>two 
>octaves below. That goes on twice I believe.
>I have a feeling the drums were 80s drum machine or heavily gated with
>that 
>typical roomey sounding reverb. But nothing else.
>
>That bit popped into my head a few days ago and even though I searched
>the net 
>and a friends large music library, I couldn't find it. I have a feeling
>I 
>might not even like the song particularly, but that feeling of being on
>the 
>tip of my brain and not being able to grasp it, is driving me utterly
>crazy.
>
>Thanks for any help and appologies again for the OT>
>
>Ta-ta,
>----
>Ffanci
>* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
>* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
>* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>_______________________________________________
>Linux-audio-user mailing list
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From silvain at freeshell.de  Sat Aug  6 21:10:58 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:10:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>

Florian Paul Schmidt, Aug 6 2016:

> depeche mode - master and servant :)
Florian, you're a jewel! <3 Now I can sleep easier. :)
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug  6 21:13:58 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:13:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
 <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <20160806231358.1681da79@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:10:58 +0200 (CEST), Ffanci Silvain wrote:
>Florian Paul Schmidt, Aug 6 2016:
>> depeche mode - master and servant :)  
>Florian, you're a jewel! <3 Now I can sleep easier. :)

And anybody else can't, because we now need to get rid of that
disgusting catchy tune :D.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug  6 21:38:57 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:38:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806231358.1681da79@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
 <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
 <20160806231358.1681da79@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160806233857.733aceaa@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:10:58 +0200 (CEST), Ffanci Silvain wrote:
>>Florian Paul Schmidt, Aug 6 2016:  
>>> depeche mode - master and servant :)    
>>Florian, you're a jewel! <3 Now I can sleep easier. :)  
>
>And anybody else can't, because we now need to get rid of that
>disgusting catchy tune :D.

Help to get rid of it and of all that odd Olympic Games samba, a master
piece of Bossa Nova:

?guas de Mar?o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oNSFQVzNM

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srfP2JlH6ls

The flute reminds me of Light as a Feather recordings and now I need to
get rid of having Scientology in my mind.

:(

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug  6 21:47:02 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:47:02 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806233857.733aceaa@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
 <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
 <20160806231358.1681da79@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160806233857.733aceaa@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160806174702.6d84bac6@mevla>

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:38:57 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> Help to get rid of it and of all that odd Olympic Games samba, a
> master piece of Bossa Nova:
> 
> ?guas de Mar?o
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oNSFQVzNM
> 
> :)
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srfP2JlH6ls
> 
> The flute reminds me of Light as a Feather recordings and now I need
> to get rid of having Scientology in my mind.

Ooomm nama shivayaaaa shivayyaaaa namaaa ooooom....

Well, on the Rio theme, extremely loosely, just by name, English band
Fila Brazilla, from the 80s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RXQeWK4tI

Or how to maintain attention minimally.  That no 'loud wars' were going
on at that time help the electronics to breathe.  The whole "Old Codes
New Chaos" album is quite good. 




From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug  6 21:52:41 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:52:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806174702.6d84bac6@mevla>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
 <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
 <20160806231358.1681da79@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160806233857.733aceaa@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160806174702.6d84bac6@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160806235241.6bafa039@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:47:02 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RXQeWK4tI

"Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it
could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use
with GEMA."

Germans are often forced to fake an IP :D, but I don't want to do it
now.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug  6 21:58:36 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:58:36 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806235241.6bafa039@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
 <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
 <20160806231358.1681da79@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160806233857.733aceaa@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160806174702.6d84bac6@mevla>
 <20160806235241.6bafa039@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160806175836.27149169@mevla>

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:52:41 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:47:02 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RXQeWK4tI
> 
> "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it
> could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use
> with GEMA."
 
> Germans are often forced to fake an IP :D, but I don't want to do it
> now.

Very surprised by this.  Germany is same as us.  This is certainly
imposed by some German regulation.



From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug  6 22:02:38 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:02:38 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806233857.733aceaa@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:38:57 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:10:58 +0200 (CEST), Ffanci Silvain wrote:
> >>Florian Paul Schmidt, Aug 6 2016:  
> >>> depeche mode - master and servant :)    
> >>Florian, you're a jewel! <3 Now I can sleep easier. :)  
> >
> >And anybody else can't, because we now need to get rid of that
> >disgusting catchy tune :D.
> 
> Help to get rid of it and of all that odd Olympic Games samba, a
> master piece of Bossa Nova:
> 
> ?guas de Mar?o
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oNSFQVzNM
> 
> :)
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srfP2JlH6ls
> 
> The flute reminds me of Light as a Feather recordings and now I need
> to get rid of having Scientology in my mind.

Correction, this would be more to the point :)

"Fila Brazillia - The Light of Jesus"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BQv14qz3es

Still from Twentythree Records, offical Fila Brazilla on youtube.
Guess that brexit did not fare well in acceptance :)


From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Aug  6 22:05:06 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:05:06 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806175836.27149169@mevla>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:58:36 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:52:41 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:47:02 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:  
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RXQeWK4tI  
> > 
> > "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it
> > could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use
> > with GEMA."  
>  
> > Germans are often forced to fake an IP :D, but I don't want to do it
> > now.  
> 
> Very surprised by this.  Germany is same as us.  This is certainly
> imposed by some German regulation.

Apparently (amongst other things) GEMA claims authority to collect royalties on
on works carrying a creative Commons license :(

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug  6 22:11:07 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:11:07 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806230506.1e299a24@debian>
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:05:06 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> Apparently (amongst other things) GEMA claims authority to collect
> royalties on on works carrying a creative Commons license :(

Yes, this is the most appalling aspect of it.


From gurusonic at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 23:10:55 2016
From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 09:10:55 +1000
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
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On 07/08/16 07:10, Ffanci Silvain wrote:
> Florian Paul Schmidt, Aug 6 2016:
>
>> depeche mode - master and servant :)
> Florian, you're a jewel! <3 Now I can sleep easier. :)

Damn, you made me listen to it. Now I won't get it out of my head all 
day. :)

I think the words are actually "It's a lot like life" with "It's a lot" 
repeated several times.

Roger


From orl at ammd.net  Sun Aug  7 06:06:11 2016
From: orl at ammd.net (ORL)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:06:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806235241.6bafa039@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
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Le 06/08/2016 23:52, Ralf Mardorf a ?crit :
> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:47:02 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RXQeWK4tI
> "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it
> could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use
> with GEMA."
>
> Germans are often forced to fake an IP :D, but I don't want to do it
> now.

I've "GEMA weg" stickers, if you want! ;)


> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user


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www.ammd.net - 095 234 72 48


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Aug  7 06:24:54 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:24:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160806230506.1e299a24@debian>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
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Message-ID: <20160807082454.31f35a86@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:05:06 +0100, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> > "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country
>> > because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on
>> > conditions of use with GEMA."    
>>    
>> > Germans are often forced to fake an IP :D, but I don't want to do
>> > it now.    
>> 
>> Very surprised by this.  Germany is same as us.  This is certainly
>> imposed by some German regulation.  
>
>Apparently (amongst other things) GEMA claims authority to collect
>royalties on on works carrying a creative Commons license :(

AFAIK it's YouTube that censors even CC licensed videos, hence "it
could contain music" and not "it does contain music". They simply don't
check if a video does or does not.

The GEMA is the German collecting society. They get the money from
suing kindergartens for singing children's songs and much of the costs
of an empty CD, DVD, DAT tape etc. is a GEMA fee. German musicians tend
to use DDS instead of DAT tapes, because the tapes are identical, but
the price isn't, AFAIK is that the reason for this is that for DDS tapes
we don't need to pay GEMA fees.

The most evil for Germans is, that all Germans with a permanent
residence are forced to pay radio licence fees, even if they don't own
a radio or TV. We need to do this, because the government claims, that
everybody owns a mobile phone and/or computer and is able to listen to
radio and to watch videos.

There are a few exceptions who don't need to pay radio licence fees,
e.g. deaf blind people. But even deaf blind people play GEMA fees, when
they buy e.g. an empty CD or DVD for data storage.

Since GEMA takes money from the weak, such as kindergartens and deaf
blind people, why should they fight against a giant, such as
YouTube/Google? Especially since they most likely get money from the
radio licence fees, too.

Regards,
Ralf

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sun Aug  7 11:59:26 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 07:59:26 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160807082454.31f35a86@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
 <DD71BCC4-7B2C-49A5-B697-11042B1D7FBC@gmx.net>
 <1608062310100.11269@freeshell.de>
 <20160806231358.1681da79@archlinux.localdomain>
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 <20160806174702.6d84bac6@mevla>
 <20160806235241.6bafa039@archlinux.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <20160807075926.4a7399e9@mevla>

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:24:54 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> AFAIK it's YouTube that censors even CC licensed videos, hence "it
> could contain music" and not "it does contain music". They simply
> don't check if a video does or does not.

As far as I see it, there can be two mechanisms in place.  One is by
geolocation, the other by copyrights.

For an example of the latter, I have made a mix of songs by UA, from
CDs, and uploaded it to youtube.   The idea was to only share it with
somebody else that has access to youtube from a simple tablet-type of
computer.  Youtube in turn prevents playing that video except if I'm
logged in to my account.  Then I can play it.  

I think it works by companies uploading digital 'signatures' that
consists of audio fragments to a youtube API.  youtube in turn scans an
uploaded file to see if the bit pattern can be found.

The mix file, about which youtube will show that there are copyrights
held by Victor Entertainment :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14CyN5XM5z0

A live rendition of a UA tune that causes no copyright problems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHIWCmZqwLs

(yes, it rains in Japan)

The bit pattern can obviously not be found in the live version.  The
algorithm is certainly not smart enough to extract the musical intent
and synthesize it for search purposes.

Trivia: "jonetsu" is the title of a UA song.

For geolocation, I do not know.  Why would Germany not be able to view
songs by Fila Brazilla, posted by the official Fila Brazilla
account in England !  The band itself posted them to share with
people.  

Hence my mention of brexit :)

> The most evil for Germans is, that all Germans with a permanent
> residence are forced to pay radio licence fees, even if they don't own
> a radio or TV. 

For us, it was when the guy knocked at the door to collect the fees
that was surprise.  I guess we were late in a payment, or overlooked it
since all of this was new.  If I'm not mistaken it works by the number
of appliances, including car radios.

> We need to do this, because the government claims, that
> everybody owns a mobile phone and/or computer and is able to listen to
> radio and to watch videos.

In the surprising things dept. the very first school day in the life of
a child is also eventful as there is a visit to the church.

The church, who also collects a fee if I'm not mistaken.

This means that someone who listen to religious programs on radio or
TV gets all his/her money worth ! :)


From david.santamauro at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 12:04:00 2016
From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 08:04:00 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160807075926.4a7399e9@mevla>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
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On 08/07/2016 07:59 AM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> The church, who also collects a fee if I'm not mistaken.

Just opt out -- pretty simple. One of the first things I did.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Aug  7 14:23:50 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:23:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [OT] Searching for an 80s song
In-Reply-To: <20160807075926.4a7399e9@mevla>
References: <1608062300430.11034@freeshell.de>
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Message-ID: <20160807162350.20ecadd3@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 07:59:26 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>The church, who also collects a fee if I'm not mistaken.
>
>This means that someone who listen to religious programs on radio or
>TV gets all his/her money worth ! :)

I'm an atheist, however, in a good church a "high priest" perhaps is
able to pick up varying moods of the "audience" and instead of
preaching (s)he explains something and it really reaches the
"audience". Apart from this, depending on the faith, the "audience"
gets gifts, Catholics e.g. serve the blood and body of Jesus Christ,
incense and real organ music.

Remember watching the filmization of Rash?mon by Akira Kurosawa.
Since it's a movie, there's no interaction with the audience. In a
church there is interaction with the audience.

So while Akira Kurosawa explains simplest ethics repeated and repeated
and repeated until the audience is bored as hell, a "high priest" could
skip parts of an explanation or continue to explain the same thing, in a
different style, that is more understandable by and/or less boring for
the audience.

It's the same with live music compared to radio and TV. Jerry Garc?a
played never ending guitar solos nobody wants to hear, excepted of the
Grateful Dead audience. IOW it also could be vice versa, something that
is to boring and much, much too long for most people, in church or a
concert hall could be continued and continued and continued, as long as
the drugged audience likes to listen to crap played by drugged
musicians. IOW the performers and the audience take the same drugs and
are on the same level, this doesn't work for radio and TV.

2 Cents,
Ralf


From csanchezgs at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 17:36:30 2016
From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraZ)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 10:36:30 -0700
Subject: [LAU] The Musical Artifacts Survey
In-Reply-To: <CAChKjCF=xnx-31MR=XZOfn=WT73r7u6r5dX-B9Y9LMziCH7RRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAChKjCHPYgRKgAfUYfLM_kg2xUUz=k4QL4w_ZTwBP9J=B35uPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAChKjCE6583r8rbEKF2hPmCXRV=zdXBZUdzjQ1=j2o6p8HK+yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAChKjCF=xnx-31MR=XZOfn=WT73r7u6r5dX-B9Y9LMziCH7RRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O6s5zqcDhFPU7-u+Ry310kkuPfAyCpO79kqF_XsSK=aJ0i7g@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting results.

It seems like some of them, as the ones related to Donations and
Contributing, could be applicable to FLOSS/Open projects in general.

Good contribution, Lucas.
On Aug 6, 2016 12:14 PM, "Lucas Zawacki" <lfzawacki at gmail.com> wrote:

> Finally, I present you with the survey results
> https://musical-artifacts.com/info/survey !
>
> Cheers,
> Lucas
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:38 AM, Lucas Zawacki <lfzawacki at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'll close this survey in 2 days, get your answers in now if you want to
>> contribute.
>>
>> Thanks for all the answers to far!
>>
>
>
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From brummer- at web.de  Sun Aug  7 18:19:04 2016
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 20:19:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] GxTuner moves to GTK3+
Message-ID: <84943eb1-e875-b4d4-7b0f-f86733f5363f@web.de>

Hi

For those interested, I've ported GxTuner to GTK3+ now.

GxTuner is a simple, analogue style guitar tuner, use the equal-tempered 
scale at 440HZ

The reference pitch could be adjusted at command line and/or runtime in 
a half tone range: 415Hz <-> 467Hz

The tuning range is from 20HZ to 1050HZ

If you've any problems building or running GxTuner with GTK3, please let 
me know at the usual github issue tracker.

grab the source here:

https://github.com/brummer10/gxtuner

regards

hermann


From silvain at freeshell.de  Sun Aug  7 19:22:49 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 21:22:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] A bit of instrument patch investigation
In-Reply-To: <20160806215056.3bb2b24f@debian>
References: <20160806215056.3bb2b24f@debian>
Message-ID: <1608072119480.24988@freeshell.de>

Will Godfrey, Aug 6 2016:
...
> In the current master I also added root and bank load times but in microseconds
> (MIDI & CLI only). Typically 15uS for a bank change, and 30uS for a root
> change, so it's probably not worth recording those!
Hi Will,
this sounds interesting, so I tried to update my Yoshimi, but ended up with a cmake error:
cd yoshimi
mkdir build
cd build
ccmake ../src
When "Generating", I get an error about a missing file:
UI/MiscGui.cpp

I already removed my local repository and cloned again from github, so it shouldn't be bad local states.

Any ideas?

I'd love to see/hear the patch that you were loading, it must be grand! <3
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sun Aug  7 19:59:41 2016
From: WillGodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will J Godfrey)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 20:59:41 +0100
Subject: [LAU] A bit of instrument patch investigation
In-Reply-To: <1608072119480.24988@freeshell.de>
References: <20160806215056.3bb2b24f@debian> <1608072119480.24988@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <20160807205941.25f7af82@debian>

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 21:22:49 +0200 (CEST)
Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de> wrote:

> Will Godfrey, Aug 6 2016:
> ...
> > In the current master I also added root and bank load times but in microseconds
> > (MIDI & CLI only). Typically 15uS for a bank change, and 30uS for a root
> > change, so it's probably not worth recording those!  
> Hi Will,
> this sounds interesting, so I tried to update my Yoshimi, but ended up with a cmake error:
> cd yoshimi
> mkdir build
> cd build
> ccmake ../src
> When "Generating", I get an error about a missing file:
> UI/MiscGui.cpp
> 
> I already removed my local repository and cloned again from github, so it shouldn't be bad local states.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> I'd love to see/hear the patch that you were loading, it must be grand! <3
> ...
> 
> Ta-ta,

You caught me halfway between two commits :(
Not that that I forgot to include new files or anything... Oh no :o

It's not *that* interesting really. It's called 'heavy rain' and it sort of
works. I'll be keeping it as a stress test.

-- 
It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was)

... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you,
but trying to catch the good bits.

From silvain at freeshell.de  Sun Aug  7 20:18:41 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:18:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] A bit of instrument patch investigation
In-Reply-To: <20160807205941.25f7af82@debian>
References: <20160806215056.3bb2b24f@debian>
 <1608072119480.24988@freeshell.de> <20160807205941.25f7af82@debian>
Message-ID: <1608072217480.27696@freeshell.de>

Hi Will,
ah, it worked now. :) How good that you always think of everything, makes me 
feel right at home. :) Thanks for the continued work and the update here. <3

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From ussndmac at charter.net  Mon Aug  8 12:27:14 2016
From: ussndmac at charter.net (Mac)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 08:27:14 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Ardour 4, X32, and USB port
Message-ID: <CAHEqMkFwFeP0FZqswVD4nU+Zzsh5bSxhYETwEO=5km0Ryc+iTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Using UBS 16.04, Ardour4, and the USB interface on the Behringer X32.
Lashed up with JACK.

The pc is a intel core i7, and I think I was using the usb3 port.

Recording seems to work well, few if any xruns.

But, playback is a different story. During playback, there are random
clicks (or pops or clacks, how ever it might be described). They don't
appear to be xruns.

The same thing happens when using, say, Clementine to playback, so I'm
guessing it's JACK, USB, or some other subsystem.

Any ideas on what I might try to fix it?

Regards,
Mac
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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Mon Aug  8 12:32:31 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 08:32:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Ardour 4, X32, and USB port
In-Reply-To: <CAHEqMkFwFeP0FZqswVD4nU+Zzsh5bSxhYETwEO=5km0Ryc+iTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHEqMkFwFeP0FZqswVD4nU+Zzsh5bSxhYETwEO=5km0Ryc+iTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cK=Omu05w1TycmdnzpTfE427bQY7Ck5t7SHgitjgtJRmUQ@mail.gmail.com>

(1) test every USB port on your system
(2) list the JACK settings
(3) try using the ALSA backend to Ardour

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Mac <ussndmac at charter.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Using UBS 16.04, Ardour4, and the USB interface on the Behringer X32.
> Lashed up with JACK.
>
> The pc is a intel core i7, and I think I was using the usb3 port.
>
> Recording seems to work well, few if any xruns.
>
> But, playback is a different story. During playback, there are random
> clicks (or pops or clacks, how ever it might be described). They don't
> appear to be xruns.
>
> The same thing happens when using, say, Clementine to playback, so I'm
> guessing it's JACK, USB, or some other subsystem.
>
> Any ideas on what I might try to fix it?
>
> Regards,
> Mac
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug  8 12:39:41 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:39:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Ardour 4, X32, and USB port
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cK=Omu05w1TycmdnzpTfE427bQY7Ck5t7SHgitjgtJRmUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHEqMkFwFeP0FZqswVD4nU+Zzsh5bSxhYETwEO=5km0Ryc+iTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cK=Omu05w1TycmdnzpTfE427bQY7Ck5t7SHgitjgtJRmUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160808143941.1c50c152@archlinux.localdomain>

On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 08:32:31 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
>(1) test every USB port on your system
>(2) list the JACK settings
>(3) try using the ALSA backend to Ardour

and consider to do this
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2016-August/010855.html ,
too.

From mott at reverberant.com  Mon Aug  8 12:41:04 2016
From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:41:04 -0300
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
 <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>

The aphex looks good and economical, good for another project as well. I 
got in contact with them and I'm waiting to hear back about their 
distribution. Thanks Ffanci for the E-mu suggestion. Looking at their 
products, the E-mu 1820m might be the cheapest option as it has 8 
balanced outs built in. Does anyone have experience on Linux with this?

Thanks,

iain


-- 
Iain Mott
http://escuta.org/en
http://cen.unb.br

Em 06-08-2016 16:35, Fons Adriaensen escreveu:
> On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 03:26:03PM -0300, Iain Mott wrote:
>
>> Thanks Fons, I'm pretty sure the Mutliface II has been discontinued.
>> Can the babyface pro can be used with any ADAT output device to get
>> 8 outs?
> Yes. It has 4 ins (2 mic, 2 line) and 4 outs on board, plus
> the ADAT in and out. 12 channels in and out.
>
> BTW, the Aphex converters are really good. I had 24 of them
> in Parma for the WFS intallation. There were in 2 big racks
> together with 3 RME MADI/ADAT converters and the power amps.
> Over the years all of the RMEs failed (cheap chinese power
> supplies burned out), but the Aphexes just got on doing their
> job, even when really hot. Only downside is that you need a
> DB25 to XLR or TRS breakout cable.
>
> Ciao,
>


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug  8 13:03:34 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:03:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
 <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
 <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
Message-ID: <20160808150334.09497b5a@archlinux.localdomain>

I can't say anything about the quality, but it still seems to be the
cheapest device and it has got a good overall rating:

https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_ada_8200_ultragain.htm?ref=search_rslt_adat_317776_3

Several subscribers, including myself, own or owned the predecessor.
The predecessor suffers from a bad designed power supply and for some
users it caused serious issues.

From mott at reverberant.com  Mon Aug  8 13:08:03 2016
From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:08:03 -0300
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
 <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
 <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
Message-ID: <4d49c1bf-9f91-7e7e-295e-080fbed135af@reverberant.com>

Or the PreSonus AudioBox1818VSL which has 8 balanced outs as well as 
ADAT i/o and uses USB 2.0. Something like this would be very flexible. 
Would I be likely to run into problems on Linux with this?

iain



-- 
Iain Mott
http://escuta.org/en
http://cen.unb.br


Em 08-08-2016 09:41, Iain Mott escreveu:
> The aphex looks good and economical, good for another project as well. 
> I got in contact with them and I'm waiting to hear back about their 
> distribution. Thanks Ffanci for the E-mu suggestion. Looking at their 
> products, the E-mu 1820m might be the cheapest option as it has 8 
> balanced outs built in. Does anyone have experience on Linux with this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> iain
>
>


From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 13:45:42 2016
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:45:42 +0100
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <4d49c1bf-9f91-7e7e-295e-080fbed135af@reverberant.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
 <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
 <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
 <4d49c1bf-9f91-7e7e-295e-080fbed135af@reverberant.com>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbMaqYPGspvLam0f8cHxqHFfH_zAmFc4xWhFNx22jB+CCg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Iain Mott <mott at reverberant.com> wrote:
> Or the PreSonus AudioBox1818VSL which has 8 balanced outs as well as ADAT
i/o and uses USB 2.0. Something like this would be very flexible. Would I
be likely to run into problems on Linux with this?

A quick dig around shows it should work OOTB:
https://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?t=7543
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/hw/presonus_audiobox_1818vsl
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware_support#presonus_-_1818vsl_usb2

Note it might not like USB3:
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7543&start=30

And some latency statistics that Robin x42 has kindly published about VSL:
http://robin.linuxaudio.org/tmp/vsl1818latency.png

HTH, -Harry

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From riotsound at riotmusic.de  Mon Aug  8 14:39:41 2016
From: riotsound at riotmusic.de (Michael Jarosch)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:39:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20160808150334.09497b5a@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
 <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
 <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
 <20160808150334.09497b5a@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1470667181.24791.144.camel@riotmusic.de>

Am Montag, den 08.08.2016, 15:03 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> I can't say anything about the quality, but it still seems to be the
> cheapest device and it has got a good overall rating:
> 
> https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_ada_8200_ultragain.htm?ref=search
> _rslt_adat_317776_3

Don't know: He's searching for an audio-interface (to connect it
directly with a USB-, Firewire-, ...whatever...Port on the computer)
not for a simple AD-converter, isn't he?

If there is already an AD-converter available, I'd recommend RME HDSP
PCI-Cards. I'm using a 9652 for ten years, now, and I never had
(serious) trouble with it.
Could be a problem to find recent MoBos that support PCI... Some AMD-
based boards still do... But you can easily record 8 tracks
simultaneously on an old Desktop, too, as long as you don't do any DSP
in realtime. :)

Greets!
Mitsch

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Mon Aug  8 16:34:31 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:34:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <1470667181.24791.144.camel@riotmusic.de>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
 <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
 <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
 <20160808150334.09497b5a@archlinux.localdomain>
 <1470667181.24791.144.camel@riotmusic.de>
Message-ID: <20160808183431.53c8fc05@archlinux.localdomain>

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:39:41 +0200, Michael Jarosch wrote:
>Am Montag, den 08.08.2016, 15:03 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
>> I can't say anything about the quality, but it still seems to be the
>> cheapest device and it has got a good overall rating:
>> 
>> https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_ada_8200_ultragain.htm?ref=search
>> _rslt_adat_317776_3  
>
>Don't know: He's searching for an audio-interface (to connect it
>directly with a USB-, Firewire-, ...whatever...Port on the computer)
>not for a simple AD-converter, isn't he?

You are right, but ADAT was mentioned, too.

>Could be a problem to find recent MoBos that support PCI...

IIRC the OP's mobo provides PCI.

From gurusonic at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 01:28:09 2016
From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:28:09 +1000
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <1470667181.24791.144.camel@riotmusic.de>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
 <20160806133334.GA89822@linuxaudio.org>
 <83632c49-d923-1056-4b59-77e5b85cbec2@reverberant.com>
 <20160806193521.GA49637@linuxaudio.org>
 <6a868322-9fb1-4b7d-49e9-af8f92231aa2@reverberant.com>
 <20160808150334.09497b5a@archlinux.localdomain>
 <1470667181.24791.144.camel@riotmusic.de>
Message-ID: <7ab6dff7-2b88-663d-6a1f-b56c6d325317@gmail.com>

On 09/08/16 00:39, Michael Jarosch wrote:...
> Could be a problem to find recent MoBos that support PCI... Some AMD-
> based boards still do...
They are still around. I just built a new system with Intel i5-6500 on a 
Gigabyte GA-H170-HD3 mobo which has 2 x PCI slots.
Sorry, vaguely OT but I think it's useful info.

Roger

From silvain at freeshell.de  Tue Aug  9 13:41:42 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 15:41:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] JACKD regularly grabbing a lot of CPU (90%+)
Message-ID: <1608091537210.18069@freeshell.de>

Hey hey everyone,
for a few months now my jackd1 (0.121.3) takes on a lot of CPU, even with no 
clients connected. Admittedly my CPU is down at 800MHz, one core most of the 
time.

Normally JACK stays below 2% though.

The kernel is:
3.9.0rc6 SMP PREEMPT (self built)

For some reason I couldn't use JACKD2 - and at the time it wasn't advised 
anyway.

Any idea, why this CPU-hunger might creep up? Things to look into? I'd be very 
grateful for hints.

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 13:46:59 2016
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:46:59 +0100
Subject: [LAU] JACKD regularly grabbing a lot of CPU (90%+)
In-Reply-To: <1608091537210.18069@freeshell.de>
References: <1608091537210.18069@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbMG0Y1_i1ZnYi0TmFwPEN7szJpXbENpW7dWKgiQmkELNA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de>
wrote:
>
> for a few months now my jackd1 (0.121.3) takes on a lot of CPU, even with
> no clients connected.


Are there any connections like system:capture -> system:playback?


> Normally JACK stays below 2% though.
>

If it "builds" over time, is it linear, or is it around 2% for a long time,
and then builds to 90% or so?
It smells a bit of floating point denormal-processing, if its creeping up
after a while of not being used. I don't know if/why JACK is performing
floating ops unless there are buffers that need to be combined...

system cap1 \
system cap2 -  system play1
system cap3 /

The above might explain it though - routing multiple inputs to one output.


> Any idea, why this CPU-hunger might creep up? Things to look into? I'd be
> very grateful for hints.
>

The above is a "shot in the dark", but as far as I can see it could be a
cause.

HTH! -Harry

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From silvain at freeshell.de  Tue Aug  9 14:11:20 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:11:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] JACKD regularly grabbing a lot of CPU (90%+)
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbMG0Y1_i1ZnYi0TmFwPEN7szJpXbENpW7dWKgiQmkELNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1608091537210.18069@freeshell.de>
 <CAKudYbMG0Y1_i1ZnYi0TmFwPEN7szJpXbENpW7dWKgiQmkELNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1608091605001.18452@freeshell.de>

Harry van Haaren, Aug 9 2016:
...
> Are there any connections like system:capture -> system:playback?
No.
...
> If it "builds" over time, is it linear, or is it around 2% for a long time,
> and then builds to 90% or so?
I haven't watched it constantly, but it appears to spontaneously jump or rise quickly. I'll keep a closer eye though.

My system is running 24/7, mostly handling a bit of mail, some audio playing (mpv) and other menial tasks. CPU scheduling policy is set to constant at either 800MHz single core - for most of the time - and 3GHz, quadcore, when recording.
> It smells a bit of floating point denormal-processing, if its creeping up
> after a while of not being used. I don't know if/why JACK is performing
> floating ops unless there are buffers that need to be combined...
Hm, it's a first thought. We'll see.
Thank you for the quick response!
...

Ta-ta,
----
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* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From lists at marcodonnarumma.com  Tue Aug  9 15:48:48 2016
From: lists at marcodonnarumma.com (Marco Donnarumma)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 17:48:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
	but no output - Mint 18
Message-ID: <CAJTYuatC_eENvYckuhK4dt1LK-xMSFgKiMP75h3Lmb1th_QDeA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years without
issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card only via
Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box).

Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed Linux
Mint 18.
The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards.
It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did not
happen in Mint 17.

However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a bunch
of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc..

Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the sound
card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does not produce
output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it, then it works.


I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA fix.

I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to make
this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches are now in
the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this.

Does anything I could try come to mind?

[SYSTEM INFO]
Mint 18
kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency
alsa-base 1.0.25
libasound, etc.. 1.1.0


thanks in advance!
best wishes,

--
Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D

*Performing bodies, sound and machines**Universit?t der K?nste Berlin*
http://marcodonnarumma.com



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From jannis_achstetter at web.de  Tue Aug  9 15:51:35 2016
From: jannis_achstetter at web.de (Jannis Achstetter)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 17:51:35 +0200
Subject: [LAU] 8 balanced out interface suggestions
In-Reply-To: <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
References: <20160730162442.34d820f7@mevla> <57A2848A.4040800@woh.rr.com>
 <20160805203831.03621535@mevla>
 <d783ac3a-b4e4-69cf-4655-965ff9d07f2b@reverberant.com>
Message-ID: <f451f0fb-de2c-d8f4-0ea3-6f0e234eab50@web.de>

Hi, might be a bit late due to your time contraints

> I need to set up a linux computer with 8 balanced outputs for an event
> next month and I'd like to ask what are the current makes/models that
> work well in Linux, ie. with simple installation.

I use the Edirol/Roland/Cakewalk UA-101. It's USB-based and should work
out-of-the-box on Linux. I never had a problem with it and I'm very
happy with the audio quality. The device has 8 symmetrical outs and some
ins as well. No ADAT though but not needed in your case anyways.

Best regards,
	Jannis


From ycollette.nospam at free.fr  Tue Aug  9 15:55:19 2016
From: ycollette.nospam at free.fr (ycollette.nospam at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 17:55:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
 but no output - Mint 18
In-Reply-To: <CAJTYuatC_eENvYckuhK4dt1LK-xMSFgKiMP75h3Lmb1th_QDeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <521865727.494498188.1470758119361.JavaMail.root@zimbra35-e6.priv.proxad.net>

I have met the same problem with the Scarlett 18i8.
Some times, I have inputs and outputs level. But some time, the input is ok but no outputs. If I restart the Scarlett soundcard (I turn off the power) then, most of the time, the output level is back.
Some times, the level seems to be a little bit low, but the balance is not OK (everything is on the left or on the right). After a restart, everything is back.
2 times out of 3, the sound card works fine.
I use Fedora 24 with a RT kernel from CCRMA.

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De: "Marco Donnarumma" <lists at marcodonnarumma.com>
?: "linux-audio-user" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
Envoy?: Mardi 9 Ao?t 2016 17:48:48
Objet: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,	but no output - Mint 18










Dear all, 

I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years without issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card only via Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box). 

Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed Linux Mint 18. 
The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards. 
It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did not happen in Mint 17. 

However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a bunch of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc.. 


Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the sound card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does not produce output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it, then it works. 



I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA fix. 


I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to make this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches are now in the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this. 






Does anything I could try come to mind? 








[SYSTEM INFO] 
Mint 18 
kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency 

alsa-base 1.0.25 

libasound, etc.. 1.1.0 




thanks in advance! 

best wishes, 























-- 
Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D 

Performing bodies, sound and machines 
Universit?t der K?nste Berlin 
http://marcodonnarumma.com 





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From lists at marcodonnarumma.com  Tue Aug  9 16:10:22 2016
From: lists at marcodonnarumma.com (Marco Donnarumma)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 18:10:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
 but no output - Mint 18
In-Reply-To: <521865727.494498188.1470758119361.JavaMail.root@zimbra35-e6.priv.proxad.net>
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Hi,

thanks for sharing your issue. It is a weird problem, some are affected,
others are not.

See also this thread at the ardour forum:
https://community.ardour.org/node/5751?page=1

there's one person who uses it fine with Fedora 22, but others on avlinux
and UbuntuStudio who have the same playback problem I have.

And on my Mint 17 I have never ever had a single issue.

There's also an old patch here, but I read that it was implemented in the
kernel (kernel.org grabs the ALSA git since a while).
http://sergey.vlasov.me/2012/09/using-focusrite-scarlett-18i6-in-linux.html

would be great if someone could shed some light :)

thanks!
M



--
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*Performing bodies, sound and machines**Universit?t der K?nste Berlin*
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:55 PM, <ycollette.nospam at free.fr> wrote:

> I have met the same problem with the Scarlett 18i8.
> Some times, I have inputs and outputs level. But some time, the input is
> ok but no outputs. If I restart the Scarlett soundcard (I turn off the
> power) then, most of the time, the output level is back.
> Some times, the level seems to be a little bit low, but the balance is not
> OK (everything is on the left or on the right). After a restart, everything
> is back.
> 2 times out of 3, the sound card works fine.
> I use Fedora 24 with a RT kernel from CCRMA.
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Marco Donnarumma" <lists at marcodonnarumma.com>
> ?: "linux-audio-user" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Envoy?: Mardi 9 Ao?t 2016 17:48:48
> Objet: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,    but no
> output - Mint 18
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years without
> issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card only via
> Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box).
>
> Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed Linux
> Mint 18.
> The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards.
> It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did not
> happen in Mint 17.
>
> However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a
> bunch of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc..
>
>
> Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the
> sound card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does not
> produce output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it, then it
> works.
>
>
>
> I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA fix.
>
>
> I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to make
> this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches are now in
> the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anything I could try come to mind?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [SYSTEM INFO]
> Mint 18
> kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency
>
> alsa-base 1.0.25
>
> libasound, etc.. 1.1.0
>
>
>
>
> thanks in advance!
>
> best wishes,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D
>
> Performing bodies, sound and machines
> Universit?t der K?nste Berlin
> http://marcodonnarumma.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From alessio.degani at ymail.com  Tue Aug  9 16:51:52 2016
From: alessio.degani at ymail.com (Alessio Degani)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 18:51:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
 but no output - Mint 18
In-Reply-To: <CAJTYuatC_eENvYckuhK4dt1LK-xMSFgKiMP75h3Lmb1th_QDeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTYuatC_eENvYckuhK4dt1LK-xMSFgKiMP75h3Lmb1th_QDeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <620527ef-3f9e-2d43-7ac8-73e4c959fb40@ymail.com>

On 09/08/2016 17:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Hi Marco,
I've 8i6 and I use it with Ubuntu 14.10.
Sometimes I've experienced a similar issue (I don't know if it is your 
case or not). I've checked all the volumes with alsa mixer, and I've 
found that sometimes some buses (which are used for monitor out or main 
out) are low in volume or even mute or misrouted (i.e. not "connected" 
to monitor out).

Unfortunately, the alsa mixer interface are not the best way to change 
those parameters, because the 8i6 has so many channel and buses that 
alsa mixer becomes confusing to use!

Cheers
> Dear all,
>
> I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years 
> without issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card 
> only via Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box).
>
> Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed 
> Linux Mint 18.
> The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards.
> It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did 
> not happen in Mint 17.
>
> However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a 
> bunch of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc..
>
> Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the 
> sound card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does 
> not produce output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it, 
> then it works.
>
>
> I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA fix.
>
> I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to 
> make this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches 
> are now in the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this.
>
> Does anything I could try come to mind?
>
> [SYSTEM INFO]
> Mint 18
> kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency
> alsa-base 1.0.25
> libasound, etc.. 1.1.0
>
>
> thanks in advance!
> best wishes,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D
> /Performing bodies, sound and machines
> //Universit?t der K?nste Berlin/
> http://marcodonnarumma.com
>
>
>
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From lists at marcodonnarumma.com  Tue Aug  9 18:46:02 2016
From: lists at marcodonnarumma.com (Marco Donnarumma)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:46:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
 but no output - Mint 18
In-Reply-To: <CAJTYuau5GMZNSL=JwhYQnefG_GrwgR46doYM5-ZTN5Bd3t=XAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJTYuatC_eENvYckuhK4dt1LK-xMSFgKiMP75h3Lmb1th_QDeA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Alessio,

thanks for the tip. I had already made sure volumes are up in the
alsamixer,
just doubled checked now and can't see anything wrong.

jack doesn't give me any error.

Interesting that you have it working on Ubuntu 14.10, 'cause that distro
release is the same behind Mint 17 (well, Ubuntu 14.04), where my 8i6 works
out of the box.

I wonder if something got broken amidst the improvements to the new
releases of Ubuntu 16 and the related Mint 18.

I'm now downloading KXStudio iso to try it out. This is based on Ubuntu
14.04, so let's see.
I'll post an update.

thanks!
M




On 09/08/2016 17:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Hi Marco,
I've 8i6 and I use it with Ubuntu 14.10.
Sometimes I've experienced a similar issue (I don't know if it is your
case or not). I've checked all the volumes with alsa mixer, and I've
found that sometimes some buses (which are used for monitor out or main
out) are low in volume or even mute or misrouted (i.e. not "connected"
to monitor out).

Unfortunately, the alsa mixer interface are not the best way to change
those parameters, because the 8i6 has so many channel and buses that
alsa mixer becomes confusing to use!

Cheers
> Dear all,
>
> I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years
> without issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card
> only via Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box).
>
> Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed
> Linux Mint 18.
> The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards.
> It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did
> not happen in Mint 17.
>
> However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a
> bunch of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc..
>
> Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the
> sound card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does
> not produce output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it,
> then it works.
>
>
> I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA fix.
>
> I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to
> make this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches
> are now in the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this.
>
> Does anything I could try come to mind?
>
> [SYSTEM INFO]
> Mint 18
> kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency
> alsa-base 1.0.25
> libasound, etc.. 1.1.0
>
>
> thanks in advance!
> best wishes,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D
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From ycollette.nospam at free.fr  Wed Aug 10 12:01:53 2016
From: ycollette.nospam at free.fr (ycollette.nospam at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:01:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
 but no output - Mint 18
In-Reply-To: <CAJTYuavk+PV89qbzU=tg_=KL8rkx_JDVBV=XZhPuop0Ns_brkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1050041686.500384130.1470830513608.JavaMail.root@zimbra35-e6.priv.proxad.net>

Have you used qasmixer to see how are the levels of the audio matrix of your sound card ?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/qasmixer

----- Mail original -----
De: "Marco Donnarumma" <lists at marcodonnarumma.com>
?: "alessio degani" <alessio.degani at ymail.com>
Cc: "linux-audio-user" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
Envoy?: Mardi 9 Ao?t 2016 20:46:02
Objet: Re: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work, but no output - Mint 18







Hi Alessio, 

thanks for the tip. I had already made sure volumes are up in the alsamixer, 
just doubled checked now and can't see anything wrong. 


jack doesn't give me any error. 


Interesting that you have it working on Ubuntu 14.10, 'cause that distro release is the same behind Mint 17 (well, Ubuntu 14.04), where my 8i6 works out of the box. 

I wonder if something got broken amidst the improvements to the new releases of Ubuntu 16 and the related Mint 18. 

I'm now downloading KXStudio iso to try it out. This is based on Ubuntu 14.04, so let's see. 
I'll post an update. 






thanks! 

M 





On 09/08/2016 17:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote: 
Hi Marco, 
I've 8i6 and I use it with Ubuntu 14.10. 
Sometimes I've experienced a similar issue (I don't know if it is your 
case or not). I've checked all the volumes with alsa mixer, and I've 
found that sometimes some buses (which are used for monitor out or main 
out) are low in volume or even mute or misrouted (i.e. not "connected" 
to monitor out). 

Unfortunately, the alsa mixer interface are not the best way to change 
those parameters, because the 8i6 has so many channel and buses that 
alsa mixer becomes confusing to use! 

Cheers 
> Dear all, 
> 
> I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years 
> without issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card 
> only via Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box). 
> 
> Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed 
> Linux Mint 18. 
> The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards. 
> It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did 
> not happen in Mint 17. 
> 
> However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a 
> bunch of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc.. 
> 
> Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the 
> sound card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does 
> not produce output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it, 
> then it works. 
> 
> 
> I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA fix. 
> 
> I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to 
> make this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches 
> are now in the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this. 
> 
> Does anything I could try come to mind? 
> 
> [SYSTEM INFO] 
> Mint 18 
> kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency 
> alsa-base 1.0.25 
> libasound, etc.. 1.1.0 
> 
> 
> thanks in advance! 
> best wishes, 
> 
> -- 
> Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D 


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From ycollette.nospam at free.fr  Wed Aug 10 12:06:12 2016
From: ycollette.nospam at free.fr (ycollette.nospam at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:06:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
 but no output - Mint 18
In-Reply-To: <CAJTYuavk+PV89qbzU=tg_=KL8rkx_JDVBV=XZhPuop0Ns_brkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <995452810.500406232.1470830772713.JavaMail.root@zimbra35-e6.priv.proxad.net>

With my Scarlett 18i8, I also found that an internal parameter was set to off:

amixer list all the parameters of the soundcard (the scarlett was the second one):

$ amixer --card 2 contents | more
numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Master 1 (Monitor) Playback Switch'
  ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw------,values=2
  : values=off,off
numid=6,iface=MIXER,name='Master 1 (Monitor) Playback Volume'
  ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=134,step=1
  : values=128,128
  | dBscale-min=-1
...


Here, I saws:

"Playback Switch" ... values=off,off.


Via another amixer command, I set the parameter to on, and the sound was back ...

$ amixer --card 2 cset numid=5 1
numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Master 1 (Monitor) Playback Switch'
  ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw------,values=2
  : values=on,on


----- Mail original -----
De: "Marco Donnarumma" <lists at marcodonnarumma.com>
?: "alessio degani" <alessio.degani at ymail.com>
Cc: "linux-audio-user" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
Envoy?: Mardi 9 Ao?t 2016 20:46:02
Objet: Re: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work, but no output - Mint 18







Hi Alessio, 

thanks for the tip. I had already made sure volumes are up in the alsamixer, 
just doubled checked now and can't see anything wrong. 


jack doesn't give me any error. 


Interesting that you have it working on Ubuntu 14.10, 'cause that distro release is the same behind Mint 17 (well, Ubuntu 14.04), where my 8i6 works out of the box. 

I wonder if something got broken amidst the improvements to the new releases of Ubuntu 16 and the related Mint 18. 

I'm now downloading KXStudio iso to try it out. This is based on Ubuntu 14.04, so let's see. 
I'll post an update. 






thanks! 

M 





On 09/08/2016 17:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote: 
Hi Marco, 
I've 8i6 and I use it with Ubuntu 14.10. 
Sometimes I've experienced a similar issue (I don't know if it is your 
case or not). I've checked all the volumes with alsa mixer, and I've 
found that sometimes some buses (which are used for monitor out or main 
out) are low in volume or even mute or misrouted (i.e. not "connected" 
to monitor out). 

Unfortunately, the alsa mixer interface are not the best way to change 
those parameters, because the 8i6 has so many channel and buses that 
alsa mixer becomes confusing to use! 

Cheers 
> Dear all, 
> 
> I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years 
> without issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card 
> only via Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box). 
> 
> Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed 
> Linux Mint 18. 
> The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards. 
> It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did 
> not happen in Mint 17. 
> 
> However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a 
> bunch of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc.. 
> 
> Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the 
> sound card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does 
> not produce output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it, 
> then it works. 
> 
> 
> I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA fix. 
> 
> I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to 
> make this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches 
> are now in the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this. 
> 
> Does anything I could try come to mind? 
> 
> [SYSTEM INFO] 
> Mint 18 
> kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency 
> alsa-base 1.0.25 
> libasound, etc.. 1.1.0 
> 
> 
> thanks in advance! 
> best wishes, 
> 
> -- 
> Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D 


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From lists at marcodonnarumma.com  Wed Aug 10 15:45:30 2016
From: lists at marcodonnarumma.com (Marco Donnarumma)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:45:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work,
 but no output - Mint 18
In-Reply-To: <995452810.500406232.1470830772713.JavaMail.root@zimbra35-e6.priv.proxad.net>
References: <CAJTYuavk+PV89qbzU=tg_=KL8rkx_JDVBV=XZhPuop0Ns_brkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <995452810.500406232.1470830772713.JavaMail.root@zimbra35-e6.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <CAJTYuavfNLbyds-s=62KhfgZpqB=Z48y3q7PZ8YweipohM-Vog@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Yann, didn't know about qasmixer that's quite handy
:)

So the problem is solved, but nonetheless remains an awkward one.

The short solution for the archive is:

In Mint 17 and Mint 18, or the related Ubuntu distro, open alsamixer or
qasmixer and make sure **both** faders "Master" and "Master 1 (Monitor)"
are UNMUTED (keyshortcut M).


The tricky part is that in Mint 17 and KxStudio 14.04 the soundcard works
even if "Master 1 (Monitor)" is MUTED.

If you unmute it and then mute it again.... no sound any more.

So, it seems a bug to me. Not a bad one, but a really confusing one. I will
email the alsa list see if they're interested.

Thanks for the help Alessio and Yann!
cheers,
M

p.s. Alessio, in Mint 18 the Scarlett8i6 works also without jack, finally!
Once fixed the mute.
And the volume is at the right level from the start, as opposed to Ubuntu
14 and Mint 17 where it is at half level on startup.


--
Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D

*Performing bodies, sound and machines**Universit?t der K?nste Berlin*
http://marcodonnarumma.com



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On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:06 PM, <ycollette.nospam at free.fr> wrote:

> With my Scarlett 18i8, I also found that an internal parameter was set to
> off:
>
> amixer list all the parameters of the soundcard (the scarlett was the
> second one):
>
> $ amixer --card 2 contents | more
> numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Master 1 (Monitor) Playback Switch'
>   ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw------,values=2
>   : values=off,off
> numid=6,iface=MIXER,name='Master 1 (Monitor) Playback Volume'
>   ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=2,min=0,max=134,step=1
>   : values=128,128
>   | dBscale-min=-1
> ...
>
>
> Here, I saws:
>
> "Playback Switch" ... values=off,off.
>
>
> Via another amixer command, I set the parameter to on, and the sound was
> back ...
>
> $ amixer --card 2 cset numid=5 1
> numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='Master 1 (Monitor) Playback Switch'
>   ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw------,values=2
>   : values=on,on
>
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Marco Donnarumma" <lists at marcodonnarumma.com>
> ?: "alessio degani" <alessio.degani at ymail.com>
> Cc: "linux-audio-user" <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Envoy?: Mardi 9 Ao?t 2016 20:46:02
> Objet: Re: [LAU] Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 recognised, inputs work, but no
> output - Mint 18
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Alessio,
>
> thanks for the tip. I had already made sure volumes are up in the
> alsamixer,
> just doubled checked now and can't see anything wrong.
>
>
> jack doesn't give me any error.
>
>
> Interesting that you have it working on Ubuntu 14.10, 'cause that distro
> release is the same behind Mint 17 (well, Ubuntu 14.04), where my 8i6 works
> out of the box.
>
> I wonder if something got broken amidst the improvements to the new
> releases of Ubuntu 16 and the related Mint 18.
>
> I'm now downloading KXStudio iso to try it out. This is based on Ubuntu
> 14.04, so let's see.
> I'll post an update.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> thanks!
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/08/2016 17:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> Hi Marco,
> I've 8i6 and I use it with Ubuntu 14.10.
> Sometimes I've experienced a similar issue (I don't know if it is your
> case or not). I've checked all the volumes with alsa mixer, and I've
> found that sometimes some buses (which are used for monitor out or main
> out) are low in volume or even mute or misrouted (i.e. not "connected"
> to monitor out).
>
> Unfortunately, the alsa mixer interface are not the best way to change
> those parameters, because the 8i6 has so many channel and buses that
> alsa mixer becomes confusing to use!
>
> Cheers
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have been using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 for a couple of years
> > without issues on a Linux Mint 17 laptop. I can use the sound card
> > only via Qjackctl (no ALSA out of the box).
> >
> > Now, I have a new computer (shuttle xpc slim) on which I installed
> > Linux Mint 18.
> > The sound card is recognised by both Jack and cat /proc/asound/cards.
> > It even correctly appears in the system sound preferences, which did
> > not happen in Mint 17.
> >
> > However, while the inputs work, there's no output. I've tested with a
> > bunch of audio software, such as Pd, Ardour, Hydrogen, etc..
> >
> > Interestingly, if, immediately after testing with Mint 18, I plug the
> > sound card back to my Mint 17 laptop, at first, the sound card does
> > not produce output. I have to power off the sound card and re-plug it,
> > then it works.
> >
> >
> > I would need this to work only with Jack, I'm not looking for an ALSA
> fix.
> >
> > I know in the past three years there has been a few ALSA patches to
> > make this range of Focusrite work, and I think most of those patches
> > are now in the mainline kernel. Although I'm not familiar with this.
> >
> > Does anything I could try come to mind?
> >
> > [SYSTEM INFO]
> > Mint 18
> > kernel: 4.4.0-31-lowlatency
> > alsa-base 1.0.25
> > libasound, etc.. 1.1.0
> >
> >
> > thanks in advance!
> > best wishes,
> >
> > --
> > Marco Donnarumma, Ph.D
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From philcm at gnu.org  Fri Aug 12 18:58:14 2016
From: philcm at gnu.org (Philip Yassin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:58:14 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
Message-ID: <567e314c-9be8-dbea-2ce9-4d7202834595@gnu.org>

Hi list!

Her is my new song: Secret <https://soundcloud.com/xaccrocheur/secret>. 
This morning the SoundCould announcement was retweeted by none other 
than Sir Stan RIDGWAY 
<https://twitter.com/philipyassin/status/762700853220405248>, and 
considering that I basically decided to become a musician while 
loop-listening to "Call of the West" back in 1982, there's an undeniable 
sense of accomplishment here, so don't kill my buzz ;)

This is the 9th song in my "Faux Frogs" album 
<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBvCHJWi9SXxIr3Zvv_9qygxuXv_F1pbb>, 
one more to go (she's been almost ready for months now)

PS - if more and more people keep telling me that the lead voice is too 
low, I'm going to be forced to do something about it. The problem is 
that this very vocal take is a bit crappy (I just don't sing it really 
good) and if I crank it even a notch, this will show :|
PPS - Everything goes into an IR modeled Lexicon 480L (using 
Klangfalter) and boy, I feel rich :)
PPS - My new album is almost ready, greetings from the studio!

-- 
Philip "xaccrocheur" Yassin
http://manyrecords.com
http://bitbucket.org/xaccrocheur / https://github.com/xaccrocheur

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From philcm at gnu.org  Fri Aug 12 18:58:55 2016
From: philcm at gnu.org (Philip Yassin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:58:55 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
Message-ID: <a44a985f-0aa8-0245-a619-29090d22189e@gnu.org>

Hi list!

Here is my new song: Secret <https://soundcloud.com/xaccrocheur/secret>. 
This morning the SoundCould announcement was retweeted by none other 
than Sir Stan RIDGWAY 
<https://twitter.com/philipyassin/status/762700853220405248>, and 
considering that I basically decided to become a musician while 
loop-listening to "Call of the West" back in 1982, there's an undeniable 
sense of accomplishment here, so don't kill my buzz ;)

This is the 9th song in my "Faux Frogs" album 
<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBvCHJWi9SXxIr3Zvv_9qygxuXv_F1pbb>, 
one more to go (she's been almost ready for months now)

PS - if more and more people keep telling me that the lead voice is too 
low, I'm going to be forced to do something about it. The problem is 
that this very vocal take is a bit crappy (I just don't sing it really 
good) and if I crank it even a notch, this will show :|
PPS - Everything goes into an IR modeled Lexicon 480L (using 
Klangfalter) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC0GNYJcL4I> and boy, I 
feel rich :)
PPS - My new album is almost ready, greetings from the studio!

-- 
Philip "xaccrocheur" Yassin
http://manyrecords.com
http://bitbucket.org/xaccrocheur / https://github.com/xaccrocheur

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From jh at brainiac.com  Fri Aug 12 19:06:24 2016
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 15:06:24 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
In-Reply-To: <567e314c-9be8-dbea-2ce9-4d7202834595@gnu.org>
References: <567e314c-9be8-dbea-2ce9-4d7202834595@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <20160812150624.ac0157bd4c8caa7b0dbe4a79@brainiac.com>

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:58:14 +0100
Philip Yassin <philcm at gnu.org> wrote:

> Her is my new song: Secret <https://soundcloud.com/xaccrocheur/secret>. 
> This morning the SoundCould announcement was retweeted by none other 
> than Sir Stan RIDGWAY 

Hey, that's great, I always loved Wall of Voodoo and Stan's later stuff.
Congrats!
-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

From philcm at gnu.org  Fri Aug 12 19:52:44 2016
From: philcm at gnu.org (Philip Yassin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:52:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] GxTuner moves to GTK3+
In-Reply-To: <84943eb1-e875-b4d4-7b0f-f86733f5363f@web.de>
References: <84943eb1-e875-b4d4-7b0f-f86733f5363f@web.de>
Message-ID: <d062b4d2-aa93-e993-4e7e-b2b4518fdfb6@gnu.org>

That is excellent news ; GxTuner sits in my master bus all the time. You 
guys developing, porting and packaging stuff are awesome.

Thanks a LOT

yPhil

On 07/08/2016 19:19, Hermann Meyer wrote:
> Hi
>
> For those interested, I've ported GxTuner to GTK3+ now.
>
> GxTuner is a simple, analogue style guitar tuner, use the 
> equal-tempered scale at 440HZ
>
> The reference pitch could be adjusted at command line and/or runtime 
> in a half tone range: 415Hz <-> 467Hz
>
> The tuning range is from 20HZ to 1050HZ
>
> If you've any problems building or running GxTuner with GTK3, please 
> let me know at the usual github issue tracker.
>
> grab the source here:
>
> https://github.com/brummer10/gxtuner
>
> regards
>
> hermann
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

-- 
Philip "xaccrocheur" Yassin
http://manyrecords.com
http://bitbucket.org/xaccrocheur / https://github.com/xaccrocheur


From silvain at freeshell.de  Fri Aug 12 20:21:12 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:21:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
In-Reply-To: <a44a985f-0aa8-0245-a619-29090d22189e@gnu.org>
References: <a44a985f-0aa8-0245-a619-29090d22189e@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <1608122217460.25270@freeshell.de>

Philip Yassin, Aug 12 2016:
...
> Here is my new song: Secret <https://soundcloud.com/xaccrocheur/secret>.
Hey hey Philip,
this is great! A really good song. A lot less raw than some of your earlier material. I like the density and equilibrium of the sound. Thank you for sharing and congratulations on the RT. :)
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Fri Aug 12 21:05:19 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:05:19 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
In-Reply-To: <567e314c-9be8-dbea-2ce9-4d7202834595@gnu.org>
References: <567e314c-9be8-dbea-2ce9-4d7202834595@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <20160812220519.681c9137@debian>

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:58:14 +0100
Philip Yassin <philcm at gnu.org> wrote:

> Hi list!
> 
> Her is my new song: Secret <https://soundcloud.com/xaccrocheur/secret>. 
> This morning the SoundCould announcement was retweeted by none other 
> than Sir Stan RIDGWAY 
> <https://twitter.com/philipyassin/status/762700853220405248>, and 
> considering that I basically decided to become a musician while 
> loop-listening to "Call of the West" back in 1982, there's an undeniable 
> sense of accomplishment here, so don't kill my buzz ;)
> 
> This is the 9th song in my "Faux Frogs" album 
> <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBvCHJWi9SXxIr3Zvv_9qygxuXv_F1pbb>, 
> one more to go (she's been almost ready for months now)
> 
> PS - if more and more people keep telling me that the lead voice is too 
> low, I'm going to be forced to do something about it. The problem is 
> that this very vocal take is a bit crappy (I just don't sing it really 
> good) and if I crank it even a notch, this will show :|
> PPS - Everything goes into an IR modeled Lexicon 480L (using 
> Klangfalter) and boy, I feel rich :)
> PPS - My new album is almost ready, greetings from the studio!
> 
Really enjoyed this. Strong driving song.

Oh, and yes. I will say the vocal should be more prominent. Also, it's my
experience that a singer is the worst person to assess their own voice :p

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From root at worik.org  Fri Aug 12 22:09:28 2016
From: root at worik.org (worik)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:09:28 +1200
Subject: [LAU] 16.04, jackd and MobilePre
Message-ID: <c6b63193-c4f7-973e-d5a0-da230e735c63@worik.org>

Friends


I have recently upgraded my laptop to ubuntustudio 16.04 and I cannot
get my MobilePre working.


(It has USB ID 0763:200f)


The setup is the same as on my other machine running 12.04 (vanilla ubuntu).


On the 1604 I have tried it with and without running pulseaudio.


Have other people had problems with 16.04?  I have a sinking feeling I
have a hardware problem


Wori




-- 
Why is the legal status of chardonnay different to that of cannabis? 
                  root at worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804
                          Aotearoa (New Zealand)
                             I voted for love


From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 12 22:38:28 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 15:38:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
In-Reply-To: <567e314c-9be8-dbea-2ce9-4d7202834595@gnu.org>
References: <567e314c-9be8-dbea-2ce9-4d7202834595@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608121531190.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Philip Yassin wrote:

> PS - if more and more people keep telling me that the lead voice is too low, I'm
> going to be forced to do something about it. The problem is that this very vocal
> take is a bit crappy (I just don't sing it really good) and if I crank it even a
> notch, this will show :|

OK, I won't say that. I have never liked my own vocals either. Listening 
as close as I can, I find no particular fault with the vocals.

I really like the bass line, it is so refreshing after hearing 8 beats to 
the bar of one note for the whole song on so many radio tunes.

--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From gurusonic at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 02:12:30 2016
From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:12:30 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
In-Reply-To: <a44a985f-0aa8-0245-a619-29090d22189e@gnu.org>
References: <a44a985f-0aa8-0245-a619-29090d22189e@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <0df0fa2e-54da-0637-7061-d5c5754f493c@gmail.com>

On 13/08/16 04:58, Philip Yassin wrote:
>
> Hi list!
>
> Here is my new song: Secret 
> <https://soundcloud.com/xaccrocheur/secret>. This morning the 
> SoundCould announcement was retweeted by none other than Sir Stan 
> RIDGWAY <https://twitter.com/philipyassin/status/762700853220405248>, 
> and considering that I basically decided to become a musician while 
> loop-listening to "Call of the West" back in 1982, there's an 
> undeniable sense of accomplishment here, so don't kill my buzz ;)
>
> This is the 9th song in my "Faux Frogs" album 
> <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBvCHJWi9SXxIr3Zvv_9qygxuXv_F1pbb>, 
> one more to go (she's been almost ready for months now)
>
> PS - if more and more people keep telling me that the lead voice is 
> too low, I'm going to be forced to do something about it. The problem 
> is that this very vocal take is a bit crappy (I just don't sing it 
> really good) and if I crank it even a notch, this will show :|
> PPS - Everything goes into an IR modeled Lexicon 480L (using 
> Klangfalter) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC0GNYJcL4I> and boy, I 
> feel rich :)
> PPS - My new album is almost ready, greetings from the studio!
I love this one! One of my favourites of the ones I've heard from you, 
and in the top few I've heard posted on the list.
I don't think the vocals are too low and the vocal performance sounds 
good to me. I'm listening on Adam A5X though which have great vocal 
range. It may sound a little quieter on a car stereo or those crappy 
Beats headphones, but it's an artistic decision in my opinion and not a 
technical one. Listen to Stone Roses "Fool's Gold" to hear how this 
approach can work well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSD11dnphg0 or 
even more extreme, My Bloody Valentine's "Soon" - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4-5gHR3_Kg

The Lexicon reverbs are beautiful. I fondly remember using a 224XL back 
in the 80s. Must get Klangfalter when I finally get my home studio back 
together.

Thanks
Roger

From brummer- at web.de  Sat Aug 13 05:27:57 2016
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 07:27:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] GxTuner moves to GTK3+
In-Reply-To: <d062b4d2-aa93-e993-4e7e-b2b4518fdfb6@gnu.org>
References: <84943eb1-e875-b4d4-7b0f-f86733f5363f@web.de>
 <d062b4d2-aa93-e993-4e7e-b2b4518fdfb6@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <941494b2-2757-35ca-67d6-6a0917d1a8fc@web.de>

I'm glade it is appreciated.

But, this one isn't the LV2 plugin, this is GxTuner as standalone app 
for jack.

And, while we are on it, I've added a strobe indicator now on top, and 
the diff in the tuning will be shown in 1/100 cents now, when it is 
lower then 1cent. Also I've added on digit to the shown measured frequency.

regards

hermann


Am 12.08.2016 um 21:52 schrieb Philip Yassin:
> That is excellent news ; GxTuner sits in my master bus all the time. 
> You guys developing, porting and packaging stuff are awesome.
>
> Thanks a LOT
>
> yPhil
>
> On 07/08/2016 19:19, Hermann Meyer wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> For those interested, I've ported GxTuner to GTK3+ now.
>>
>> GxTuner is a simple, analogue style guitar tuner, use the 
>> equal-tempered scale at 440HZ
>>
>> The reference pitch could be adjusted at command line and/or runtime 
>> in a half tone range: 415Hz <-> 467Hz
>>
>> The tuning range is from 20HZ to 1050HZ
>>
>> If you've any problems building or running GxTuner with GTK3, please 
>> let me know at the usual github issue tracker.
>>
>> grab the source here:
>>
>> https://github.com/brummer10/gxtuner
>>
>> regards
>>
>> hermann
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


From philcm at gnu.org  Sat Aug 13 08:46:26 2016
From: philcm at gnu.org (Philip Yassin)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:46:26 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
In-Reply-To: <0df0fa2e-54da-0637-7061-d5c5754f493c@gmail.com>
References: <a44a985f-0aa8-0245-a619-29090d22189e@gnu.org>
 <0df0fa2e-54da-0637-7061-d5c5754f493c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <694d898d-e317-4114-bcbc-49030ac83a1a@gnu.org>



On 13/08/2016 03:12, Roger wrote:
> On 13/08/16 04:58, Philip Yassin wrote:
>>
(...)
> I love this one! One of my favourites of the ones I've heard from you, 
> and in the top few I've heard posted on the list.
Woah, thanks a lot, and to everybody!
> I don't think the vocals are too low and the vocal performance sounds 
> good to me. I'm listening on Adam A5X though which have great vocal 
> range. It may sound a little quieter on a car stereo or those crappy 
> Beats headphones, but it's an artistic decision in my opinion and not 
> a technical one. Listen to Stone Roses "Fool's Gold" to hear how this 
> approach can work well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSD11dnphg0 
> or even more extreme, My Bloody Valentine's "Soon" - 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4-5gHR3_Kg
Yes, I see what you mean. Adam A5, wow. Among the specific ones that I'd 
like to test-hear. I use very old (60s) Tannoy T60 Speakers (and an AKG 
K240) and the voice is exactly where I want it to be.. I'd love a pair 
of crappy Auratone to test that... Maybe on my phone? Thing is, 
frenchies put the lead waaaay above everything, it's like a tradition 
(think Edith Piaf or J. Hallyday) and if they can't hear the words they 
cry :)
>
> The Lexicon reverbs are beautiful. I fondly remember using a 224XL 
> back in the 80s. Must get Klangfalter when I finally get my home 
> studio back together.
Indeed, I'm flabbergasted at the whole IR thing. I even made a "Why, 
Phil?" video about that : "Angus Young goes to church" 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC0GNYJcL4I> - you'll find the links to 
the 480L IR files in the video description.
>
> Thanks
Thank YOU, and everybody who commented, everybody who didn't, everybody 
who's helping me on Patreon, and everybody who can't. Hey would you 
believe it? This morning, Stan did it again 
<https://twitter.com/Stan_Ridgway/status/764339858080804864> :) You guys 
are super sweet.
> Roger
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

-- 
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http://manyrecords.com / http://philipyassin.bitbucket.org

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From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sat Aug 13 08:59:13 2016
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 08:59:13 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Secret (for a song)
In-Reply-To: <0df0fa2e-54da-0637-7061-d5c5754f493c@gmail.com>
References: <a44a985f-0aa8-0245-a619-29090d22189e@gnu.org>
 <0df0fa2e-54da-0637-7061-d5c5754f493c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160813085913.GA128310@linuxaudio.org>

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 12:12:30PM +1000, Roger wrote:

> On 13/08/16 04:58, Philip Yassin wrote:
> 
> >PS - if more and more people keep telling me that the lead voice
> >is too low, I'm going to be forced to do something about it. The
> >problem is that this very vocal take is a bit crappy (I just don't
> >sing it really good) and if I crank it even a notch, this will
> >show :|
>
> I don't think the vocals are too low and the vocal performance
> sounds good to me.

Maybe the vocal could need just a little bit more, it would help
to understand the lyrics. But it shouldn't really be in the
foreground. Don't worry about the vocal performance. With this
solid backing which sets the atmosphere, this song could work
even with just a spoken vocal (think Serge Gainsbourg). 

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From brummer- at web.de  Sun Aug 14 11:16:27 2016
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:16:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] new switchless wah plugin
Message-ID: <4cbf9e7c-e511-b567-dd39-6bf44042bd5c@web.de>

Hi

On request, I made a switchless wah plugin out of the GxWah.lv2
This means, the wah effect gets activated by moving the wah pedal and 
slips in bypass, when the pedal isn't moved.
Attack and Release times could be chosen between 0.1ms and 1.4sec.
This may be useful when you drive the plug with a expression (or midi) 
pedal, or, for automation strips in Qtractor or Ardour.

https://github.com/brummer10/GxSwitchlessWah.lv2

happy ducking


From brummer- at web.de  Mon Aug 15 07:37:36 2016
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:37:36 +0200
Subject: [LAU] new Slow Gear Plugin (LV2)
Message-ID: <3f4acb24-596b-cec5-b2ce-bb18673835a8@web.de>

I've made a Slow Gear LV2 plug, if you wonder what a slow gear is for, 
check out this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzZBHXgRy9s

get the source here:
https://github.com/brummer10/GxSlowGear.lv2

no fancy dependency?s, only build-essentials are needed, just run make 
&&make install.

happy jamming


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 13:40:28 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:40:28 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] 3 Breaths For Helm - KVR OSC90 entry
Message-ID: <57B1C64C.6020903@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

My whimsical offering to the current One Synth Challenge at KVR :

https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/3-breaths-for-helm-kvr-osc90

Three atmospheric soundings using nothing but Matt Tytel's Helm. 
Sequenced with Bitwig 1.3.12, audio mixed and rendered in Ardour5.

Downloads enabled. Voting hasn't started yet, btw, I just wanted to put 
the notice out there.

I know that Rob van den Berg (aka rgvhdberg) has submitted a piece. Any 
other Linux Helm users stepping up to the OSC ? There's still time to 
enter, see http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467516 for 
the details.

Best,

dp


From silvain at freeshell.de  Mon Aug 15 20:19:45 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 22:19:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [Music] 3 Breaths For Helm - KVR OSC90 entry
In-Reply-To: <57B1C64C.6020903@woh.rr.com>
References: <57B1C64C.6020903@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1608152217350.28610@freeshell.de>

Dave Phillips, Aug 15 2016:

> Greetings,
>
> My whimsical offering to the current One Synth Challenge at KVR :
>
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/3-breaths-for-helm-kvr-osc90
Whimsical it might be, but it is definitely fun to listen to. Almost programmatic in the concatenation of evocative atmospheres. It certainly evoked me. :) Helm really sounds interesting and inspiring. Thanks for sharing and I wish you a lot of pleasant feedback.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Tue Aug 16 00:24:08 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 20:24:08 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] 3 Breaths For Helm - KVR OSC90 entry
In-Reply-To: <57B1C64C.6020903@woh.rr.com>
References: <57B1C64C.6020903@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20160815202408.1ae5323a@mevla>

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:40:28 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> My whimsical offering to the current One Synth Challenge at KVR :
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/3-breaths-for-helm-kvr-osc90
> 
> Three atmospheric soundings using nothing but Matt Tytel's Helm. 
> Sequenced with Bitwig 1.3.12, audio mixed and rendered in Ardour5.

Nice.  The beating frequencies are nice.  I might try out this synth.

Cheers.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Tue Aug 16 01:04:03 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 21:04:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] jam22: electronica improv
Message-ID: <20160815210403.0d08694b@mevla>


This one is a "one synth" type of thing, although with some drums and
percussion.  It features a theme followed by two solos.  A total
improvisation done rather quickly although some time was spent mixing
it, with several iterations evaluated over 2 weeks.

The synth is u-he's Hive. I yet do not make sounds and so I thank
people out there who are so creative in creating patches - for me it
is still some kind of mysterious art.

Cheers !

https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam22


Hive instances:
 Bassline:        Transmitting Spheres - ARP Bassline Ana
 Supporting arp:  VSP Liquid Sounds - ARP Green
 Spurious chords: 'native' Howard Scarr Aerodrome
 Bass drum:       'native' KS Bassdrum gated
 Theme:           Melodic Enchantement - TI Pulsar
 1st solo:        Melodic Enchantement - TI Enigma Arts
 2nd solo:        Melodic Enchantement - TI Travel in a dream
 Ambient:         'native' ETE Clouded

Percussions:
 Drums:           Bluezone Downtempo - Dbox loop 1004
 Cymbals:         Mode Audio BeatScenics - Greener Grass

Sketched out in Bitwig, single tracks exported pre fader into Mixbus
32C for mixing.  

Mixbus: XT-EG, XT-DC on drums, XT-EG on bass drum.  Reverb on various
mixbusses: Uhbik-A.  Uhbik phaser on cymbals. Master bus: XT-ME, and a
Presswerk that despite its preset name of being 'Gentle loving' is
working quite a lot.  Ambient, bassline and arp tracks were doubled
and panned.  The copied bassline track was filtered highly to extract
only the midrange and then blended in back with the original.

Exported "sans norm"
 Integrated loudness:  -17.7 LUFS
 Loudness range:         1.4 LU
 Peak:                  -1.5 dbFS
 True peak:             -1.5 dBTP
 Twin peaks:             no way


From silvain at freeshell.de  Tue Aug 16 06:28:55 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:28:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] jam22: electronica improv
In-Reply-To: <20160815210403.0d08694b@mevla>
References: <20160815210403.0d08694b@mevla>
Message-ID: <1608160826280.3745@freeshell.de>

jonetsu at teksavvy.com, Aug 16 2016:
...
> https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam22
I love the bassline. The FM-ish sound gives something almost menacing, which is quite attractive. Nice mix of down to earth and ethereal. Thank you for sharing.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 11:13:07 2016
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:13:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] A journey to a new world
Message-ID: <CADqqn49dcHsvpE=DM6kx0pB2EkXEu2zCa3exfB-qJiPG32HFKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone!

My latest release, droning270. Currently out only on Bandcamp, you can
stream and you can even support me by buying it.
Next month this will be released in a lossy format on my site.

https://louigi.bandcamp.com/album/droning270

Pretty epic soundscape, while still being fairly minimalistic. I hope you
enjoy!




-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.com/
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From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 18:54:17 2016
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:54:17 +0100
Subject: [LAU] jam22: electronica improv
In-Reply-To: <1608160826280.3745@freeshell.de>
References: <20160815210403.0d08694b@mevla> <1608160826280.3745@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbM6_8FQZ3z_J5fygD4OkEaxzNCnDvfpszUb_2dLMKiQmg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de>
wrote:

> <jonetsu at teksavvy.com>https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam22
> I love the bassline. The FM-ish sound gives something almost menacing,
> which is quite attractive. Nice mix of down to earth and ethereal. Thank
> you for sharing.
> ...
>

+1 Nice bass, like the bass movement around the 1 minute mark - nice depth
/ where-did-it-go vibe!

Keep em comin', -Harry

-- 

http://www.openavproductions.com
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From silvain at freeshell.de  Tue Aug 16 20:11:30 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:11:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] A journey to a new world
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn49dcHsvpE=DM6kx0pB2EkXEu2zCa3exfB-qJiPG32HFKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49dcHsvpE=DM6kx0pB2EkXEu2zCa3exfB-qJiPG32HFKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1608162206150.11183@freeshell.de>

Louigi Verona, Aug 16 2016:
...
> My latest release, droning270. Currently out only on Bandcamp, you can
> stream and you can even support me by buying it.
Hey hey Louigi,
it's been a long time since I listened to one of your dronings, but I quite like this one, although I may lack the patience or mindset to listen to it for the whole 45 minutes.

Still I wonder how you approach such a composition. I found it rich, very atmospheric and image provoking. It touched something. So I wondered: do ytou focus most on sound design? How do you approach the progressions and points of interest? Algorithmically, through automations or through clever use of intrisic capabilities of your synth engine, like LFOs, envelopes and other control modules. I was really fascinated by this piece.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From louigi.verona at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 12:44:34 2016
From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:44:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] A journey to a new world
In-Reply-To: <1608162206150.11183@freeshell.de>
References: <CADqqn49dcHsvpE=DM6kx0pB2EkXEu2zCa3exfB-qJiPG32HFKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1608162206150.11183@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <CADqqn4_q7qnYV1Pk7DjBEDkQcXx3roBwpXtdbyAOcB9khrO8dA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ffanci!

The good thing about project "droning" is that all tunes are designed in
such a way so as to not require you to listen through *all* of the tune.
You can start and stop at any point in the tune.

I would say that I focus more on structure, then sound design. But at the
same time sound design is central. Sounds like a contradiction, but let me
give you an analogy.

Imagine someone making figures out of clay. They focus on how their figures
look, what kind of emotions they convey, but they don't think too much
about clay. But at the same time clay is at the basis of it, and they
actually do have to care a lot about the quality of the clay, how it is
handled, etc. But it is such a basic part of the process that they don't
already pay much attention to clay itself.

So, same with me. Sound design is such a basic integral part of electronic
music, that you are engaged in it without focusing on it anymore. Sound is
your clay.



I don't use automation too much. I might be using automation in FL Studio
if I need a very complicated process to generate interesting sound. In
Linux working with automation is difficult, although sometimes I used seq24
for some automation.

But generally I either use my pd patches
<http://louigiverona.com/?page=projects&s=software&t=puredata>, or I play
it live. I also use kluppe <http://kluppe.klingt.org/> a lot, might use
paulstretch <http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/> for some
sounds sometimes (although generally paulstretch doesn't work well with
most sounds, so I use it very rarely).

You can see that a piece like 270 actually consists of a lot of separate
pieces. How they come together is a challenge. The better I approach this
challenge, the better the track sounds.

The most difficult thing, though, is cleaning up. When you are working with
pads and strings and longish sounds, resonating frequencies could be a huge
problem. Half of the time you are playing around with equalizers and
multiband compressors to remove offending frequencies, this is sometimes
very tough work.


Hope that answers your questions! Ask more if you want to know anything
else.



On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de>
wrote:

> Louigi Verona, Aug 16 2016:
> ...
>
>> My latest release, droning270. Currently out only on Bandcamp, you can
>> stream and you can even support me by buying it.
>>
> Hey hey Louigi,
> it's been a long time since I listened to one of your dronings, but I
> quite like this one, although I may lack the patience or mindset to listen
> to it for the whole 45 minutes.
>
> Still I wonder how you approach such a composition. I found it rich, very
> atmospheric and image provoking. It touched something. So I wondered: do
> ytou focus most on sound design? How do you approach the progressions and
> points of interest? Algorithmically, through automations or through clever
> use of intrisic capabilities of your synth engine, like LFOs, envelopes and
> other control modules. I was really fascinated by this piece.
> ...
>
> Ta-ta,
> ----
> Ffanci
> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>



-- 
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.com/
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From silvain at freeshell.de  Wed Aug 17 18:22:37 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:22:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] A journey to a new world
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn4_q7qnYV1Pk7DjBEDkQcXx3roBwpXtdbyAOcB9khrO8dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49dcHsvpE=DM6kx0pB2EkXEu2zCa3exfB-qJiPG32HFKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1608162206150.11183@freeshell.de>
 <CADqqn4_q7qnYV1Pk7DjBEDkQcXx3roBwpXtdbyAOcB9khrO8dA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1608172017010.22749@freeshell.de>

Hey hey Louigi,
thank you very much for your insights. This is fascinating. I've once tried to 
get into dronings, but couldn't get into the flow, not knowing which 
approaches, methods and structures to use. Alas, I won't be able to experience 
this kind of workflow with the tools you mentioned. But there is always 
Csound, which can handle sound design and structure. Note to self: investigate 
Csund's advanced score features. :)

Thanks again and, if I may, I will come back to you in the future.

Best wishes, Ffanci

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From dan.hitt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 02:19:08 2016
From: dan.hitt at gmail.com (Dan Hitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:19:08 -0700
Subject: [LAU] robust command line tool to determine duration of sound file
 using more than the header
Message-ID: <CAOphizJr3BMKvrRjyv74xPmzVPa6P40oK9ZRZVytbTqigtbYaA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a command line tool that can determine the length
(duration in seconds) of a sound file using more than just the file
header.

The situation is that some of the files have incorrect headers.

The data is intact, and they play correctly, but if you attempt to
determine the length based solely on the header, it will be incorrect.

I've tried soxi, mediainfo, and ffprobe (on xubuntu 16.04), and all
seem to rely exclusively on the header.

soxi is good enough that it warns if there's a discrepancy between
what the header says and what is present in the file, in a message to
stderr, but the value to stdout (from soxi -D) is the incorrect header
value.

I suppose i could write code to parse soxi's error message, but would
much prefer to have some option to pass to the program that says "use
file length instead of header info in the event of a conflict".

TIA for any suggestions!

dan

From e at 80x24.org  Thu Aug 18 03:50:00 2016
From: e at 80x24.org (Eric Wong)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 03:50:00 +0000
Subject: [LAU] robust command line tool to determine duration of sound
 file using more than the header
In-Reply-To: <CAOphizJr3BMKvrRjyv74xPmzVPa6P40oK9ZRZVytbTqigtbYaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOphizJr3BMKvrRjyv74xPmzVPa6P40oK9ZRZVytbTqigtbYaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>

Dan Hitt <dan.hitt at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a command line tool that can determine the length
> (duration in seconds) of a sound file using more than just the file
> header.

Try: sox $FILE -n stats 2>&1 | awk '/^Length / {print $2}'

That will decode the entire file and run it through the
sox "stats" effect.

I just tried it on a 28MB FLAC file (3:49.80s) truncated to 5MB
with:

	dd if=$ORIG of=truncated.flac bs=5M count=1

And was able to reproduce soxi showing the the length as
3:49.80 but "sox .. -n stats" showed only 44.304s

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 18 11:19:10 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:19:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] robust command line tool to determine duration of sound
 file using more than the header
In-Reply-To: <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>
References: <CAOphizJr3BMKvrRjyv74xPmzVPa6P40oK9ZRZVytbTqigtbYaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>
Message-ID: <20160818131910.3cb6c3b5@archlinux.localdomain>

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 03:50:00 +0000, Eric Wong wrote:
>And was able to reproduce soxi showing the the length as
>3:49.80 but "sox .. -n stats" showed only 44.304s

Hi,

I get three times the same duration for a wav

  $ exiftool Audio_Oberheim_Matrix.wav|tail -1
  Duration                        : 0:02:18
  $ soxi Audio_Oberheim_Matrix.wav|grep D|cut -d= -f1
  Duration       : 00:02:18.19
  $ sox Audio_Oberheim_Matrix.wav -n stats 2>&1|grep Len
  Length s     138.194

and three times the same duration for a mp3.

  $ exiftool *mix?.mp3|tail -1
  Duration                        : 0:02:42 (approx)
  $ soxi *mix?.mp3|grep D|cut -d= -f1|head -1
  Duration       : 00:02:42.25
  $ sox *mix?.mp3 -n stats 2>&1|grep Len
  Length s     162.246

I didn't check with a stopwatch, to ensure the duration is correct.

  $ pacman -Q perl-image-exiftool sox
  perl-image-exiftool 10.20-1
  sox 14.4.2-1

Regards,
Ralf

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Thu Aug 18 11:27:55 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:27:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] robust command line tool to determine duration of sound
 file using more than the header
In-Reply-To: <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>
References: <CAOphizJr3BMKvrRjyv74xPmzVPa6P40oK9ZRZVytbTqigtbYaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>
Message-ID: <20160818132755.2317a138@archlinux.localdomain>

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 03:50:00 +0000, Eric Wong wrote:
>dd if=$ORIG of=truncated.flac bs=5M count=1

PS:

I don't use dd to edit sound files ;).

From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Thu Aug 18 12:13:36 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:13:36 -0400
Subject: [LAU] robust command line tool to determine duration of sound
 file using more than the header
In-Reply-To: <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>
References: <CAOphizJr3BMKvrRjyv74xPmzVPa6P40oK9ZRZVytbTqigtbYaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKnLAs1t_-bbk-V3JHpW8CdZCiAbGnkZ783GfGYL3T3Kjw@mail.gmail.com>

sndfile_info checks both the header and the file contents.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Eric Wong <e at 80x24.org> wrote:

> Dan Hitt <dan.hitt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm looking for a command line tool that can determine the length
> > (duration in seconds) of a sound file using more than just the file
> > header.
>
> Try: sox $FILE -n stats 2>&1 | awk '/^Length / {print $2}'
>
> That will decode the entire file and run it through the
> sox "stats" effect.
>
> I just tried it on a 28MB FLAC file (3:49.80s) truncated to 5MB
> with:
>
>         dd if=$ORIG of=truncated.flac bs=5M count=1
>
> And was able to reproduce soxi showing the the length as
> 3:49.80 but "sox .. -n stats" showed only 44.304s
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From silvain at freeshell.de  Thu Aug 18 13:05:40 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:05:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Mixing contest by Boz digital Labs
Message-ID: <1608181503230.307@freeshell.de>

Hey hey everyone,
I just became aware of this:
http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/mixing-contest
I thought some of you might be interested. Deadline Augst 21. As far as I 
understand, everything is allowed with the supplied material, only 
prerequisit: you must have a soundcloud account or dropbox to upload the final 
mix.

Show them what Linux can do! :)

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From jh at brainiac.com  Thu Aug 18 13:19:03 2016
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:19:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Mixing contest by Boz digital Labs
In-Reply-To: <1608181503230.307@freeshell.de>
References: <1608181503230.307@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <20160818091903.0b86ac5970b0b5696377a7a9@brainiac.com>

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:05:40 +0200 (CEST)
Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de> wrote:

> Hey hey everyone,
> I just became aware of this:
> http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/mixing-contest
> I thought some of you might be interested. Deadline Augst 21. 


>From the site:  Posted on July 9, 2015

First line on the site:  Update: The contest is now ended. 

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

From silvain at freeshell.de  Thu Aug 18 14:23:21 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:23:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Mixing contest by Boz digital Labs
In-Reply-To: <20160818091903.0b86ac5970b0b5696377a7a9@brainiac.com>
References: <1608181503230.307@freeshell.de>
 <20160818091903.0b86ac5970b0b5696377a7a9@brainiac.com>
Message-ID: <1608181622001.982@freeshell.de>

Joe Hartley, Aug 18 2016:
...
> From the site:  Posted on July 9, 2015
>
> First line on the site:  Update: The contest is now ended.
Oh... Must have missed this with the screenreader. Last I heard it was still open. Sorry. :(
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From dan.hitt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 03:58:31 2016
From: dan.hitt at gmail.com (Dan Hitt)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:58:31 -0700
Subject: [LAU] robust command line tool to determine duration of sound
 file using more than the header
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cKnLAs1t_-bbk-V3JHpW8CdZCiAbGnkZ783GfGYL3T3Kjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOphizJr3BMKvrRjyv74xPmzVPa6P40oK9ZRZVytbTqigtbYaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20160818035000.GA9525@dcvr.yhbt.net>
 <CAFa_cKnLAs1t_-bbk-V3JHpW8CdZCiAbGnkZ783GfGYL3T3Kjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOphizK_XO2Fu0ZnXCkrPggHHNPsENiJqB4Xp_HY6CMnD29nKg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Paul, Eric, and Ralf,

Eric --- your command certainly works on my problematic sound file, thanks!

Paul --- thanks for pointing out sndfile-info.  This also works, and
puts the results on stdout.  (Presumably sox wants to write to stderr
to because it wants to reserve stdout for samples?)

Ralf --- thanks for pointing out exiftool.  I had no idea it dealt
with sound files.  Now, in my particular case, it didn't work because
my sound file is au/snd, and it doesn't know that format, so it
interpreted it as a (huge) jpeg.  I think the reason that soxi can be
correct for some formats but not others is that the flow of control
goes through different paths depending on the file type, and some of
the handlers may be more capable than others (or at least have
different weak spots).  Thus a problem showed up with Eric's flac and
my au/snd, but not your wav.  (Pure conjecture here!)

Thanks again everybody for educating me!!

dan


On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
> sndfile_info checks both the header and the file contents.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Eric Wong <e at 80x24.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dan Hitt <dan.hitt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm looking for a command line tool that can determine the length
>> > (duration in seconds) of a sound file using more than just the file
>> > header.
>>
>> Try: sox $FILE -n stats 2>&1 | awk '/^Length / {print $2}'
>>
>> That will decode the entire file and run it through the
>> sox "stats" effect.
>>
>> I just tried it on a 28MB FLAC file (3:49.80s) truncated to 5MB
>> with:
>>
>>         dd if=$ORIG of=truncated.flac bs=5M count=1
>>
>> And was able to reproduce soxi showing the the length as
>> 3:49.80 but "sox .. -n stats" showed only 44.304s
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Aug 20 15:14:16 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:14:16 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [Music] 3 Breaths For Helm - KVR OSC90 entry
In-Reply-To: <57B1C64C.6020903@woh.rr.com>
References: <57B1C64C.6020903@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20160820161416.51d559ce@debian>

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:40:28 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> My whimsical offering to the current One Synth Challenge at KVR :
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/3-breaths-for-helm-kvr-osc90
> 
> Three atmospheric soundings using nothing but Matt Tytel's Helm. 
> Sequenced with Bitwig 1.3.12, audio mixed and rendered in Ardour5.
> 
> Downloads enabled. Voting hasn't started yet, btw, I just wanted to put 
> the notice out there.
> 
> I know that Rob van den Berg (aka rgvhdberg) has submitted a piece. Any 
> other Linux Helm users stepping up to the OSC ? There's still time to 
> enter, see http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467516 for 
> the details.
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp

Rather impressive. Both the synth and the playing.
Not a rock nor a roll in sight too :)

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Aug 20 15:20:00 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:20:00 +0100
Subject: [LAU] jam22: electronica improv
In-Reply-To: <20160815210403.0d08694b@mevla>
References: <20160815210403.0d08694b@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160820162000.26ccebee@debian>

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 21:04:03 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> This one is a "one synth" type of thing, although with some drums and
> percussion.  It features a theme followed by two solos.  A total
> improvisation done rather quickly although some time was spent mixing
> it, with several iterations evaluated over 2 weeks.
> 
> The synth is u-he's Hive. I yet do not make sounds and so I thank
> people out there who are so creative in creating patches - for me it
> is still some kind of mysterious art.
> 
> Cheers !
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam22
> 
> 
> Hive instances:
>  Bassline:        Transmitting Spheres - ARP Bassline Ana
>  Supporting arp:  VSP Liquid Sounds - ARP Green
>  Spurious chords: 'native' Howard Scarr Aerodrome
>  Bass drum:       'native' KS Bassdrum gated
>  Theme:           Melodic Enchantement - TI Pulsar
>  1st solo:        Melodic Enchantement - TI Enigma Arts
>  2nd solo:        Melodic Enchantement - TI Travel in a dream
>  Ambient:         'native' ETE Clouded
> 
> Percussions:
>  Drums:           Bluezone Downtempo - Dbox loop 1004
>  Cymbals:         Mode Audio BeatScenics - Greener Grass
> 
> Sketched out in Bitwig, single tracks exported pre fader into Mixbus
> 32C for mixing.  
> 
> Mixbus: XT-EG, XT-DC on drums, XT-EG on bass drum.  Reverb on various
> mixbusses: Uhbik-A.  Uhbik phaser on cymbals. Master bus: XT-ME, and a
> Presswerk that despite its preset name of being 'Gentle loving' is
> working quite a lot.  Ambient, bassline and arp tracks were doubled
> and panned.  The copied bassline track was filtered highly to extract
> only the midrange and then blended in back with the original.
> 
> Exported "sans norm"
>  Integrated loudness:  -17.7 LUFS
>  Loudness range:         1.4 LU
>  Peak:                  -1.5 dbFS
>  True peak:             -1.5 dBTP
>  Twin peaks:             no way
 

Another very enjoyable track. Thanks for sharing.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Aug 20 16:32:52 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 17:32:52 +0100
Subject: [LAU] A journey to a new world
In-Reply-To: <CADqqn49dcHsvpE=DM6kx0pB2EkXEu2zCa3exfB-qJiPG32HFKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADqqn49dcHsvpE=DM6kx0pB2EkXEu2zCa3exfB-qJiPG32HFKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160820173252.537844eb@debian>

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:13:07 +0200
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> 
> My latest release, droning270. Currently out only on Bandcamp, you can
> stream and you can even support me by buying it.
> Next month this will be released in a lossy format on my site.
> 
> https://louigi.bandcamp.com/album/droning270
> 
> Pretty epic soundscape, while still being fairly minimalistic. I hope you
> enjoy!

Well, that made a very nice background while I was sorting out some problem
code :)

I don't know that it helped me find the problem, but it certainly kept me in a
more relaxed frame of mind!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug 20 19:09:02 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:09:02 -0400
Subject: [LAU] jam22: electronica improv
In-Reply-To: <20160820162000.26ccebee@debian>
References: <20160815210403.0d08694b@mevla>
	<20160820162000.26ccebee@debian>
Message-ID: <20160820150902.1717a7e7@mevla>

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:20:00 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> Another very enjoyable track. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks.  Thanks also to Ffanci and Harry, and everyone who listened or
will do. 

If I my take the opportunity to comment on the piece and specifically
on the structure.  Since this is an improvisation, a jam of sorts, the
initial jest, the bass part, changed tonality spontaneously, without
counting anything, and then switched back, switched again and very
shortly went back.  All without any counts.  At that point, before
adding other improvisations on top of that I could have straightened up
that part.  Determine a precise number of times to switch back and
forth then redo the track.  Instead I left it as is, which created some
problems as other tracks were added because it took time before fitting
in that unpredictable change of events.  

So I resorted to simple flow with it by feeling instead of counts.  Or
instead of the expectation of a so well-known familiar number of counts.

This impromptu switch of tonality turned out, IMHO, to give the result
a certain charm.  Especially for a piece made entirely from synths and
a steady rhythm track.

There's another one from a few months ago that also went about the same
way, jam6 (although not electronica).

Cheers.


From abonnements at revolwear.com  Mon Aug 22 10:18:47 2016
From: abonnements at revolwear.com (Max)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:18:47 +0900
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface
Message-ID: <3b225dbf-30b9-8d10-286c-0692231f03a5@revolwear.com>

I have a Fireface UCX, but I never actually use it to full potential. I 
have an opportunity to sell it now, but was wondering what I should get 
instead. Requirements: USB, 4 channels, Linux compatible, low latency.
Thanks for your suggestions.

From steve at kingswayelec.co.uk  Mon Aug 22 11:40:28 2016
From: steve at kingswayelec.co.uk (Steve Downes)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:40:28 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface
In-Reply-To: <3b225dbf-30b9-8d10-286c-0692231f03a5@revolwear.com>
References: <3b225dbf-30b9-8d10-286c-0692231f03a5@revolwear.com>
Message-ID: <20160822114027.GA2431@kingswayelec.co.uk>

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 07:18:47PM +0900, Max wrote:
> I have a Fireface UCX, but I never actually use it to full potential. I have
> an opportunity to sell it now, but was wondering what I should get instead.
> Requirements: USB, 4 channels, Linux compatible, low latency.
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

I use a Native instruments Komplete Audio 6. which appears to me still
current. Very linux compatible & been reliable for my limited
requirements. I've never pushed it to its limits or tried to extend it
so my knowledge is limited.

Used all 4 channels, midi i/o,  phantom power, monitor out, phones.
Not used SPDIF. 

Steve

From excds at kth.se  Mon Aug 22 14:14:42 2016
From: excds at kth.se (Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sw=E4rd?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:14:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Akai MPK mini mk2 config tool
Message-ID: <1471875282.17058.11.camel@kth.se>

Hi.

A couple of days ago I bought an Akai MPK mini mk2. When trying to run
the config editor tool through wine, the MPK mini doesn't show up in
the list of available devices when picking what midi port to
communicate with.

It does however show other midi devices and midi through connections.

Has anyone else had the same or a similar issue?

I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 with the KXStudio addons.

Cheers!

	/Daniel

From harryhaaren at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 14:22:46 2016
From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry van Haaren)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:22:46 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Akai MPK mini mk2 config tool
In-Reply-To: <1471875282.17058.11.camel@kth.se>
References: <1471875282.17058.11.camel@kth.se>
Message-ID: <CAKudYbPYsB02B+xb1N+YY-rDhWT3F00omM3mpVaW+UHjTvar+Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Daniel Sw?rd <excds at kth.se> wrote:

> Hi.
>

Hey!


> A couple of days ago I bought an Akai MPK mini mk2.


I have a mini mk1.


> When trying to run
> the config editor tool through wine, the MPK mini doesn't show up in
> the list of available devices when picking what midi port to
> communicate with.
>

This will be a wine USB passthrough question / issue. Not sure if its
possible to achieve.
I had a windows machine around when I got the mk1 initially, and haven't
edited the CC's etc since.


> Has anyone else had the same or a similar issue?
>

Yep, had a similar issue, didn't search for or find a fix though... so
probably can't help much!


Good luck, -Harry

-- 

http://www.openavproductions.com
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From excds at kth.se  Mon Aug 22 15:26:42 2016
From: excds at kth.se (Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sw=E4rd?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:26:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Akai MPK mini mk2 config tool
In-Reply-To: <CAKudYbPYsB02B+xb1N+YY-rDhWT3F00omM3mpVaW+UHjTvar+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1471875282.17058.11.camel@kth.se>
 <CAKudYbPYsB02B+xb1N+YY-rDhWT3F00omM3mpVaW+UHjTvar+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1471879602.17058.16.camel@kth.se>

On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Daniel Sw?rd <excds at kth.se> wrote:
> > When trying to run the config editor tool through wine, the MPK
> > mini doesn't show up in the list of available devices when picking
> > what midi port to communicate with.
> This will be a wine USB passthrough question / issue. Not sure if its
> possible to achieve.

> I had a windows machine around when I got the mk1 initially, and
> haven't edited the CC's etc since.

Hmm, I guess I'll have to reboot into Windows. :-( But still, it's the
end result of using the controller that's important...

> Good luck, -Harry

Thanks. :-)

	/Daniel


From maurizio.berti at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 15:41:08 2016
From: maurizio.berti at gmail.com (Maurizio Berti)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:41:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Akai MPK mini mk2 config tool
In-Reply-To: <1471879602.17058.16.camel@kth.se>
References: <1471875282.17058.11.camel@kth.se>
 <CAKudYbPYsB02B+xb1N+YY-rDhWT3F00omM3mpVaW+UHjTvar+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1471879602.17058.16.camel@kth.se>
Message-ID: <CAPn+-XSORJPZRxRmDxBbAqibosD4AOu8P1eUv=WECRqDsO-qpg@mail.gmail.com>

I actually had a similar "problem" with the Novation Launch Control XL.
It looks like nor Wine or VirtualBox are able to see the device, but, since
they come from different manufacturers, you might have more luck using
virtualization. For example, I didn't have this problem with the M-Audio
Oxygen 2 (first version): the editor was able to see it and interface with
it, unfortunally it's no a very good editor.
>From what I could understand, the problem comes when ALSA MIDI takes
control of the interface, even when its control is "released" to the guest
machine, the kernel doesn't really release it completely. Anyway, I'm not a
developer, so I should investigate on this more to be sure about my
assumption; probably I'm just wrong.
Anyway, give it a shot with virtualization, if it still doesn't work you
might want to boot to windows and set a "general" configuration, then use
mididings as a "proxy" to control how the mapping is translated to the midi
devices you want to connect your MPK to. Since I don't have a real windows
pc, I ended up with creating a custom program that interfaces with my
Launch Control and, actually, allows much more customization.

Cheers!
Maurizio

2016-08-22 17:26 GMT+02:00 Daniel Sw?rd <excds at kth.se>:

> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Daniel Sw?rd <excds at kth.se> wrote:
> > > When trying to run the config editor tool through wine, the MPK
> > > mini doesn't show up in the list of available devices when picking
> > > what midi port to communicate with.
> > This will be a wine USB passthrough question / issue. Not sure if its
> > possible to achieve.
>
> > I had a windows machine around when I got the mk1 initially, and
> > haven't edited the CC's etc since.
>
> Hmm, I guess I'll have to reboot into Windows. :-( But still, it's the
> end result of using the controller that's important...
>
> > Good luck, -Harry
>
> Thanks. :-)
>
>         /Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



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From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Mon Aug 22 16:00:32 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:00:32 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface
In-Reply-To: <20160822114027.GA2431@kingswayelec.co.uk>
References: <3b225dbf-30b9-8d10-286c-0692231f03a5@revolwear.com>
 <20160822114027.GA2431@kingswayelec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20160822170032.352673a3@debian>

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:40:28 +0100
Steve Downes <steve at kingswayelec.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 07:18:47PM +0900, Max wrote:
> > I have a Fireface UCX, but I never actually use it to full potential. I have
> > an opportunity to sell it now, but was wondering what I should get instead.
> > Requirements: USB, 4 channels, Linux compatible, low latency.
> > Thanks for your suggestions.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user  
> 
> I use a Native instruments Komplete Audio 6. which appears to me still
> current. Very linux compatible & been reliable for my limited
> requirements. I've never pushed it to its limits or tried to extend it
> so my knowledge is limited.
> 
> Used all 4 channels, midi i/o,  phantom power, monitor out, phones.
> Not used SPDIF. 
> 
> Steve

Ditto (almost exactly) :)

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jeremy at jeremycarter.ca  Mon Aug 22 16:02:25 2016
From: jeremy at jeremycarter.ca (Jeremy Carter)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:02:25 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Any success running Jack on a Chromebook that's running
	Crouton?
Message-ID: <CACojTb_FU7GEY99DXkLPAbQGV=K1ugS2QsLbNb2Yu9rX5KZqKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a Acer C720 Chromebook, and I run Debian Stretch on it using a
hybrid OS approach using a technology called Crouton (
https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton ).

It runs some kind of audio server proxy called Cras to get the audio
from ChromeOS into Debian, and I have been unable to get Jack running
with it.

I'm wondering if anyone has any hints or success stories about running
Jack and/or Ardour in a similar environment.

I get a permission denied error (on /dev/sng/seq) when trying to start
jack using qjackctl with ALSA midi seq enabled. If I disable MIDI
support, I get "control open "hw:0" (No such file or directory)" and
"ALSA lib pcm_hw:1701:( snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card"

I would like to do some audio production on the chromebook, or at
least get that stuff running to see if the performance for that would
be acceptible.

Let me know what other information I should provide to try to get this working.

Regards,
Jeremy Carter

From chaocrator at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 20:43:48 2016
From: chaocrator at gmail.com (Valery McHno)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 23:43:48 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Audio Interface
Message-ID: <CA+0pCqqX-+Ans_c_Bp2Q6GrR3yeMm4teL5kvrnkUTsoUxwTwhg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:00 PM,
<linux-audio-user-request at lists.linuxaudio.org> wrote:
> Requirements: USB, 4 channels, Linux compatible, low latency.
> Thanks for your suggestions.
...

> I use a Native instruments Komplete Audio 6. which appears to me still
> current. Very linux compatible & been reliable for my limited
> requirements.

well, actually, it's the choice between NI Komplete Audio 6 vs
Focusrite Scarlett, say, 2i4 :)
these two are the best.

personally i use Komplete Audio 6, but it's the matter of price & availability.

-- 
93 93/93

From wrl at illest.net  Mon Aug 22 23:20:57 2016
From: wrl at illest.net (William Light)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 01:20:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <CA+0pCqqX-+Ans_c_Bp2Q6GrR3yeMm4teL5kvrnkUTsoUxwTwhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+0pCqqX-+Ans_c_Bp2Q6GrR3yeMm4teL5kvrnkUTsoUxwTwhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1471908057.2807284.702991961.47FC80E0@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Go for the KA6. I've owned both, and, while the Scarlett series sounds
good, the USB itself doesn't seem as solid. I remember it occasionally
taking upwards of a second to recover from a JACK xrun (the lights would
blink a few times and the sound would cut out). Didn't see anything like
that on the KA6 (or any other interface I've owned, in fact).

-w

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016, at 22:43, Valery McHno wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:00 PM,
> <linux-audio-user-request at lists.linuxaudio.org> wrote:
> > Requirements: USB, 4 channels, Linux compatible, low latency.
> > Thanks for your suggestions.
> ...
> 
> > I use a Native instruments Komplete Audio 6. which appears to me still
> > current. Very linux compatible & been reliable for my limited
> > requirements.
> 
> well, actually, it's the choice between NI Komplete Audio 6 vs
> Focusrite Scarlett, say, 2i4 :)
> these two are the best.
> 
> personally i use Komplete Audio 6, but it's the matter of price &
> availability.
> 
> -- 
> 93 93/93
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Tue Aug 23 05:50:28 2016
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:50:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface
In-Reply-To: <3b225dbf-30b9-8d10-286c-0692231f03a5@revolwear.com>
References: <3b225dbf-30b9-8d10-286c-0692231f03a5@revolwear.com>
Message-ID: <cb51c283-508e-9877-9cbf-3db8f66da41b@autostatic.com>

On 08/22/2016 12:18 PM, Max wrote:
> I have a Fireface UCX, but I never actually use it to full potential. I
> have an opportunity to sell it now, but was wondering what I should get
> instead. Requirements: USB, 4 channels, Linux compatible, low latency.
> Thanks for your suggestions.

Hello Max,

I have a RME Babyface and it works great with Linux in Class Compliant
mode. Not sure about the new Pro model though but maybe you can still
find the old model for a nice price.

Jeremy


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From excds at kth.se  Tue Aug 23 07:12:45 2016
From: excds at kth.se (Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sw=E4rd?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:12:45 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Akai MPK mini mk2 config tool
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On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 17:41 +0200, Maurizio Berti wrote:
> Anyway, give it a shot with virtualization, if it still doesn't work
> you might want to boot to windows and set a "general" configuration, 

I went for the Windows boot. Wanted to get it to work...

> then use mididings as a "proxy" to control how the mapping is
> translated to the midi devices you want to connect your MPK to.

Connecting it with applications in Linux is not a problem. It was only
the editor in wine.

Anyway, spent some time yesterday with trying to get the mappings as I
wanted. As you mentioned, it's not a very good editor. But now the MPK
mini works as I want it. :-)

	/Daniel

From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Tue Aug 23 08:42:02 2016
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:42:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Any success running Jack on a Chromebook that's running
 Crouton?
Message-ID: <33484c70193eeae307468b45952a9f37.squirrel@boosthardware.com>


> Hi all,
>
> I have a Acer C720 Chromebook, and I run Debian Stretch on it using a
hybrid OS approach using a technology called Crouton (
> https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton ).
>
> It runs some kind of audio server proxy called Cras to get the audio
from ChromeOS into Debian, and I have been unable to get Jack running
with it.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has any hints or success stories about running
Jack and/or Ardour in a similar environment.
>
> I get a permission denied error (on /dev/sng/seq) when trying to start
jack using qjackctl with ALSA midi seq enabled. If I disable MIDI
support, I get "control open "hw:0" (No such file or directory)" and
"ALSA lib pcm_hw:1701:( snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card"
>
> I would like to do some audio production on the chromebook, or at least
get that stuff running to see if the performance for that would be
acceptible.
>
> Let me know what other information I should provide to try to get this
working.


Hi Jeremy,


The reason you are not able to run JACK is because CRAS is blocking the
audio device. You will need to disable CRAS to get direct access to the
audio device so that JACK can run. However This is not an easy thing to
accomplish with ChromeOS.

My recommendation is to also send this email to the Chrome developers
mailing list. It's been a couple of years but in the past their response
has been that Chrome OS is "Open Source" so anyone is welcome to submit a
patch to CRAS that enables JACK support.

My position is that seeing as they are paid to implement the audio server
and seeing as they (Google) basically ripped off JACK and Pulse Audio in
order to implement both CRAS (and Android Audio Server) and seeing as they
also rely on ALSA (which was created by the Linux Audio community) that it
is basic etiquette that they also implement full JACK support.

However most likely their response will be that they are not interested in
supporting JACK because it is not in their roadmap and they will not get
internal support for adding to the roadmap. There are people at Google who
really don't want to support JACK on Chrome/Android. They also seem to
have a problem with professional audio in general.

Of course if enough ChromeOS users wanted it they might be convinced to
change their minds but so far it seems that ChromeOS users have not been
asking for it because they don't appear to have made any progress on it.


-- 
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd



-- 
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd


From ussndmac at charter.net  Tue Aug 23 14:52:58 2016
From: ussndmac at charter.net (Mac)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:52:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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I think, in the past (ubuntu pre-16.04) there were settings musicaudiosink
and audiosink that could specify which JACK sink was to be used by
gstreamer.

This changed the default behavior of gstreamer which was to connect to the
first 2 sinks in JACK.

I think, this was the way it was in 0.1 gstreamer.

I've been able to find nothing discussing this for gstreamer 1 or for
ubuntu 16.04.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Mac
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From neil at neilcsmith.net  Tue Aug 23 15:04:43 2016
From: neil at neilcsmith.net (Neil C Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 16:04:43 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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On 23 August 2016 at 15:52, Mac <ussndmac at charter.net> wrote:
> I think, in the past (ubuntu pre-16.04) there were settings musicaudiosink
> and audiosink that could specify which JACK sink was to be used by
> gstreamer.
>
> This changed the default behavior of gstreamer which was to connect to the
> first 2 sinks in JACK.
>
> I think, this was the way it was in 0.1 gstreamer.
>
> I've been able to find nothing discussing this for gstreamer 1 or for ubuntu
> 16.04.

Are you sure that wasn't using JACK via PulseAudio?  What are you
using GStreamer from?

AFAIK, settings in GStreamer for defining the ports that the
JackAudioSink connects to are new - you can set the port-pattern
property.

https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-jackaudiosink.html

Best wishes,

Neil


-- 
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http://neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Digital Prisoners - interactive spaces and projections -
www.digitalprisoners.co.uk

From ussndmac at charter.net  Tue Aug 23 15:52:26 2016
From: ussndmac at charter.net (Mac)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 11:52:26 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Fwd:  Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mac <ussndmac at charter.net>
Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
To: Neil C Smith <neil at neilcsmith.net>




On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Neil C Smith <neil at neilcsmith.net> wrote:

> On 23 August 2016 at 15:52, Mac <ussndmac at charter.net> wrote:
> > I think, in the past (ubuntu pre-16.04) there were settings
> musicaudiosink
> > and audiosink that could specify which JACK sink was to be used by
> > gstreamer.
> >
> > This changed the default behavior of gstreamer which was to connect to
> the
> > first 2 sinks in JACK.
> >
> > I think, this was the way it was in 0.1 gstreamer.
> >
> > I've been able to find nothing discussing this for gstreamer 1 or for
> ubuntu
> > 16.04.
>
> Are you sure that wasn't using JACK via PulseAudio?  What are you
> using GStreamer from?
>
> AFAIK, settings in GStreamer for defining the ports that the
> JackAudioSink connects to are new - you can set the port-pattern
> property.
>
> https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gs
> t-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-jackaudiosink.html
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
> From the JACK audio web page ( www.jackaudio.org/faq/
gstreamer_via_jack.html ) :

____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

   1.

   You need the GStreamer JACK audio plugin, which is currently (Fall 2009)
   part of the ?bad? plugins collection. Most Linux distributions make this
   available through their normal software install/update systems. The name of
   the package containing this plugin will vary from distribution to
   distribution: on Fedora its called ?gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extra?,
   on Ubuntu its called ?gst-plugins-bad?, etc. etc.
   2. Next, you need to configure GStreamer to tell it to use this plugin
   for audio output. There are 3 methods available:
      - Through the command line using gconf2 (you may need to install this
      first)
      - Install/run gconf-editor, which is a general purpose utility for
      configuring many GNOME-centric applications.
      - Some systems may have the gstreamer-properties command available,
      which offers a graphical tool for configuring gstreamer.
   3. Your goal is set the value of:
      - /system/gstreamer/0.10/audio/default/musicaudiosink
      - /system/gstreamer/0.10/audio/default/audiosink

to this value: jackaudiosink buffer-time=2000000. The exact value of
buffer-time doesn?t matter too much, but higher values reduce the chance of
glitches/drop-outs in the audio stream. You might also choose to set
/system/gstreamer/0.10/audio/default/chataudiosink to the same value, but
its less likely to be useful to you.
____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

It appears neither gconf nor /system/gstreamer/0.10/audio/default/ are
resident in 16.04. (I'd guess the later path .../0.10/... would not be
there since 16.04 is using gstreamer 1 not 0.10, correct?

Mac
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From neil at neilcsmith.net  Tue Aug 23 16:26:40 2016
From: neil at neilcsmith.net (Neil C Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:26:40 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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On 23 August 2016 at 16:51, Mac <ussndmac at charter.net> wrote:
> It appears neither gconf nor /system/gstreamer/0.10/audio/default/ are
> resident in 16.04. (I'd guess the later path .../0.10/... would not be there
> since 16.04 is using gstreamer 1 not 0.10, correct?

AFAIK those settings are used by the gsettingsaudiosink in GStreamer,
which is no longer in 1.x.  It really depends on what software you're
using, and whether it's hard-coding use of autoaudiosink.

I questioned whether you'd actually been using the PulseAudio backend
connecting to JACK though because there wasn't a way to specify which
JACK ports to connect to until recently (eg. not in 14.04).  The only
other way to do it is to use something other than GStreamer itself to
control which ports are used (eg. QJackCtl patchbay), which is what
I'm still doing on my 14.04 setup.

Best wishes,

Neil


-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Digital Prisoners - interactive spaces and projections -
www.digitalprisoners.co.uk

From ussndmac at charter.net  Tue Aug 23 17:31:28 2016
From: ussndmac at charter.net (Mac)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 13:31:28 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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The patch bay is fine for a "session tool" like Ardour.

But with something like a media player gstreamer disconnects and reconnects
for every piece of media. So for instance in Clementine, a new client is
started every time a new song starts and the client that played the
previous song goes away.

I suppose it has to do with the pipeline architecture of gstreamer.

It may well be that what I remember was gstreamer using pulse and having
pulse permanently connected in patchbay to where I wanted.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Neil C Smith <neil at neilcsmith.net> wrote:

> On 23 August 2016 at 16:51, Mac <ussndmac at charter.net> wrote:
> > It appears neither gconf nor /system/gstreamer/0.10/audio/default/ are
> > resident in 16.04. (I'd guess the later path .../0.10/... would not be
> there
> > since 16.04 is using gstreamer 1 not 0.10, correct?
>
> AFAIK those settings are used by the gsettingsaudiosink in GStreamer,
> which is no longer in 1.x.  It really depends on what software you're
> using, and whether it's hard-coding use of autoaudiosink.
>
> I questioned whether you'd actually been using the PulseAudio backend
> connecting to JACK though because there wasn't a way to specify which
> JACK ports to connect to until recently (eg. not in 14.04).  The only
> other way to do it is to use something other than GStreamer itself to
> control which ports are used (eg. QJackCtl patchbay), which is what
> I'm still doing on my 14.04 setup.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
>
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist : Technologist : Adviser
> http://neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
> Digital Prisoners - interactive spaces and projections -
> www.digitalprisoners.co.uk
>
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From neil at neilcsmith.net  Tue Aug 23 18:49:37 2016
From: neil at neilcsmith.net (Neil C Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 19:49:37 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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On 23 August 2016 at 18:31, Mac <ussndmac at charter.net> wrote:
> But with something like a media player gstreamer disconnects and reconnects
> for every piece of media. So for instance in Clementine, a new client is
> started every time a new song starts and the client that played the previous
> song goes away.
>
> I suppose it has to do with the pipeline architecture of gstreamer.

Yes, generally, although it is possible to keep the pipeline live in
gstreamer, a lot of applications don't seem to.

It isn't necessarily a problem with the patchbay though because you
can use regular expressions - eg. my current patchbay uses -

out_jackaudiosink\d*_1
out_jackaudiosink\d*_2

The recently added port connection property on jackaudiosink also
allows to do a similar thing from the gstreamer side.

Looks like Clementine supports setting the audio sink, but wonder if
it allows arbitrary properties on it -
https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/issues/5378

Best wishes,

Neil

-- 
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Artist : Technologist : Adviser
http://neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Digital Prisoners - interactive spaces and projections -
www.digitalprisoners.co.uk

From gg3137 at vegri.net  Tue Aug 23 19:09:01 2016
From: gg3137 at vegri.net (Giso Grimm)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:09:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ltcvideosplit - tiny tool to synchronize videos based on the
 LTC code in the audio stream
Message-ID: <57BC9F4D.4000208@vegri.net>

Based on libav and the great LTC library of Robin Gareus, I wrote a
small tool to simplify the synchronization of video files with audio:

https://github.com/gisogrimm/ltcvideosplit

If you connect an LTC signal (e.g., as generated by Ardour) with the
audio input of any low-budget video camera, the video material of the
camera can be aligned to the audio material played/recorded along with
the LTC time-line (e.g., in Ardour).

Essentially, this tool reports video- and LTC-frame number whenever they
drift apart or the LTC signal starts.

My use cases:

- research: record videos for motion analysis which are time-aligned to
sound events (with multiple cameras)

- music videos: record videos to existing audio material with multiple
cameras or multiple takes


Maybe this tiny tool is useful for someone.

Thanks to Robin for LTC tools and LTC support in Ardour!

--

Giso

From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Tue Aug 23 19:12:06 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:12:06 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Neil C Smith <neil at neilcsmith.net> wrote:

>
> Looks like Clementine supports setting the audio sink, but wonder if
>> it allows arbitrary properties on it -
>> https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/issues/5378
>
>
Clementine also supports JACK natively, where it still connects and
reconnects once per song. Sigh.
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From wrl at illest.net  Tue Aug 23 22:18:49 2016
From: wrl at illest.net (William Light)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:18:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface
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Babyface Pro works in class-compliant mode as well.

-w

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016, at 07:50, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> On 08/22/2016 12:18 PM, Max wrote:
> > I have a Fireface UCX, but I never actually use it to full potential. I
> > have an opportunity to sell it now, but was wondering what I should get
> > instead. Requirements: USB, 4 channels, Linux compatible, low latency.
> > Thanks for your suggestions.
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> I have a RME Babyface and it works great with Linux in Class Compliant
> mode. Not sure about the new Pro model though but maybe you can still
> find the old model for a nice price.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
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From ussndmac at charter.net  Wed Aug 24 11:47:03 2016
From: ussndmac at charter.net (Mac)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:47:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Fwd: JACK and gstreamer
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Message-ID: <CAHEqMkH4ZV6zkeZfigB+gd6abv7azfz49T3+dq53=rsAowORRg@mail.gmail.com>

If I remember my experiments from a while back with gs 0.10 it was possible
to keep a pipe open and just reuse it. And that there was a system level
setting that would override the default connections that gs would make.

It appears that the connection process has been modified in gs 1.0.
Something called a port-pattern will be used by gs if provided.

I have not had time to delve into any deeper to find where port-pattern is
set or if it is (or can be) made system wide.

A note: While I used Clementine in my examples earlier in this thread. This
discussion grew out of a discussion about using LiSP (Linus Show Player)
and when it might be desired to direct a sound to a particular channel to
achieve sound effects (for instance the rear channel of 5.1 system).
Specifying the JACK connection could also be desired when using, say, calf
rack or zita with jack to process the signal on it's way to a channel.

Mac

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Neil C Smith <neil at neilcsmith.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Looks like Clementine supports setting the audio sink, but wonder if
>>> it allows arbitrary properties on it -
>>> https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/issues/5378
>>
>>
> Clementine also supports JACK natively, where it still connects and
> reconnects once per song. Sigh.
>
>
>
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From silvain at freeshell.de  Wed Aug 24 19:01:42 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 21:01:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
Message-ID: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>

Hey hey everyone,
I've looked more into this problem and found that JACK will start by using 
between one and two percent of the CPU, but will gradually require more. After 
a day JACK's CPU usage stands at about 65-85%.

Usage: currently only mpv (multimedia player, completely shut down after every 
use). No persisting audio connections, no other realtime and CPU hungry 
applications.

JACK Version: 0.121.3
Kernel Version: 3.9.0-rc6 SMP PREEMPT
CPU scheduling/scaling_governor: powersave
CPU setting: 800MHz single-core (of a 3GHz quadcore)
Underlying soundcard device: ALSA multi with two MAudio Delta 1010 LT cards, 
sync'ed via S/PDIF.
JACK commandline:
jackd --timeout 4500 -R -d alsa -C cdelta -P pdelta -r 48000 -p 256 -z shaped
short-time load average: 0.47 (decreasing for longer periods).

If more information or experimentation, to identify the issue, is necessary, 
please let me know.

Thank you for any help and hints in the right direction.

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Aug 24 19:09:23 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 15:09:23 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cK=BubTyjC-CeGww-h0Odnj3akarj7whZPj878zOC3Jp5Q@mail.gmail.com>

First of all,please at least upgrade to 0.124.X

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de>
wrote:

> Hey hey everyone,
> I've looked more into this problem and found that JACK will start by using
> between one and two percent of the CPU, but will gradually require more.
> After a day JACK's CPU usage stands at about 65-85%.
>
> Usage: currently only mpv (multimedia player, completely shut down after
> every use). No persisting audio connections, no other realtime and CPU
> hungry applications.
>
> JACK Version: 0.121.3
> Kernel Version: 3.9.0-rc6 SMP PREEMPT
> CPU scheduling/scaling_governor: powersave
> CPU setting: 800MHz single-core (of a 3GHz quadcore)
> Underlying soundcard device: ALSA multi with two MAudio Delta 1010 LT
> cards, sync'ed via S/PDIF.
> JACK commandline:
> jackd --timeout 4500 -R -d alsa -C cdelta -P pdelta -r 48000 -p 256 -z
> shaped
> short-time load average: 0.47 (decreasing for longer periods).
>
> If more information or experimentation, to identify the issue, is
> necessary, please let me know.
>
> Thank you for any help and hints in the right direction.
>
> Ta-ta,
> ----
> Ffanci
> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From klewellen at shellworld.net  Wed Aug 24 19:25:48 2016
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 15:25:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1608241525280.24145@server2.shellworld.net>

...and you were never in trouble!


On Wed, 24 Aug 2016, Ffanci Silvain wrote:

> Hey hey everyone,
> I've looked more into this problem and found that JACK will start by using 
> between one and two percent of the CPU, but will gradually require more. 
> After a day JACK's CPU usage stands at about 65-85%.
>
> Usage: currently only mpv (multimedia player, completely shut down after 
> every use). No persisting audio connections, no other realtime and CPU hungry 
> applications.
>
> JACK Version: 0.121.3
> Kernel Version: 3.9.0-rc6 SMP PREEMPT
> CPU scheduling/scaling_governor: powersave
> CPU setting: 800MHz single-core (of a 3GHz quadcore)
> Underlying soundcard device: ALSA multi with two MAudio Delta 1010 LT cards, 
> sync'ed via S/PDIF.
> JACK commandline:
> jackd --timeout 4500 -R -d alsa -C cdelta -P pdelta -r 48000 -p 256 -z shaped
> short-time load average: 0.47 (decreasing for longer periods).
>
> If more information or experimentation, to identify the issue, is necessary, 
> please let me know.
>
> Thank you for any help and hints in the right direction.
>
> Ta-ta,
> ----
> Ffanci
> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>

From silvain at freeshell.de  Wed Aug 24 19:50:24 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 21:50:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cK=BubTyjC-CeGww-h0Odnj3akarj7whZPj878zOC3Jp5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
 <CAFa_cK=BubTyjC-CeGww-h0Odnj3akarj7whZPj878zOC3Jp5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1608242149050.18088@freeshell.de>

Paul Davis, Aug 24 2016:

> First of all,please at least upgrade to 0.124.X
So sorry, I hadn't realised that jack1 was still actively developed. I'm on it.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Aug 24 20:14:10 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 16:14:10 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <1608242149050.18088@freeshell.de>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
 <CAFa_cK=BubTyjC-CeGww-h0Odnj3akarj7whZPj878zOC3Jp5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1608242149050.18088@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cKnLS42HODZfo_ofSCsCzOyh69BZxSmD9VNcmxZJFHYjdw@mail.gmail.com>

jack1 has seen more development in the last 2 years than jack2.

jack1 is not "dead" nor is it "old". jack1 and jack2 are alternatives to
each other. most linux distributions chose jack2 as the default because of
the integration with PulseAudio.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Ffanci Silvain <silvain at freeshell.de>
wrote:

> Paul Davis, Aug 24 2016:
>
> First of all,please at least upgrade to 0.124.X
>>
> So sorry, I hadn't realised that jack1 was still actively developed. I'm
> on it.
> ...
>
>
> Ta-ta,
> ----
> Ffanci
> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>
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From klewellen at shellworld.net  Wed Aug 24 22:06:13 2016
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1608241525280.24145@server2.shellworld.net>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.1608241525280.24145@server2.shellworld.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1608241806001.29192@server2.shellworld.net>

sorry wrong email!


On Wed, 24 Aug 2016, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> ...and you were never in trouble!
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016, Ffanci Silvain wrote:
>
>>  Hey hey everyone,
>>  I've looked more into this problem and found that JACK will start by using
>>  between one and two percent of the CPU, but will gradually require more.
>>  After a day JACK's CPU usage stands at about 65-85%.
>>
>>  Usage: currently only mpv (multimedia player, completely shut down after
>>  every use). No persisting audio connections, no other realtime and CPU
>>  hungry applications.
>>
>>  JACK Version: 0.121.3
>>  Kernel Version: 3.9.0-rc6 SMP PREEMPT
>>  CPU scheduling/scaling_governor: powersave
>>  CPU setting: 800MHz single-core (of a 3GHz quadcore)
>>  Underlying soundcard device: ALSA multi with two MAudio Delta 1010 LT
>>  cards, sync'ed via S/PDIF.
>>  JACK commandline:
>>  jackd --timeout 4500 -R -d alsa -C cdelta -P pdelta -r 48000 -p 256 -z
>>  shaped
>>  short-time load average: 0.47 (decreasing for longer periods).
>>
>>  If more information or experimentation, to identify the issue, is
>>  necessary, please let me know.
>>
>>  Thank you for any help and hints in the right direction.
>>
>>  Ta-ta,
>>  ----
>>  Ffanci
>>  * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
>>  * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
>>  * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>  Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>  http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
>

From len at ovenwerks.net  Thu Aug 25 00:12:38 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:12:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608241652160.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016, Ffanci Silvain wrote:

> Hey hey everyone,
> I've looked more into this problem and found that JACK will start by using 
> between one and two percent of the CPU, but will gradually require more. 
> After a day JACK's CPU usage stands at about 65-85%.
>
> Usage: currently only mpv (multimedia player, completely shut down after 
> every use). No persisting audio connections, no other realtime and CPU hungry 
> applications.
$ uptime
  16:52:06 up 25 days, 19:50, 16 users,  load average: 1.39, 0.82, 0.43
DSP with Ardour running 3.6 to 3.8% (only two plugins fluidsynth and 
reasonable synth just now) 
i5 at 3.4Gh, 8Gram, FF has over 10 tabs open. Cpu on all cores less than 
10%. PCU gov perfomance... only 1 ice1712 card here. Oh you have 256, cpu 
at 256 is the same, DSP is  7.7%


>
> JACK Version: 0.121.3
> Kernel Version: 3.9.0-rc6 SMP PREEMPT
> CPU scheduling/scaling_governor: powersave
> CPU setting: 800MHz single-core (of a 3GHz quadcore)

While I have run at 800Mh for a long time (on a single core atom of all 
things) with no xruns, I was using the userspace cpu gov. Any speed change 
(in the down direction) gives me xruns. Of course CPU usage and DSP go up 
as CPU speed goes down. WHen jack first gets started powersave will give 
cpu close to full speed, as jack idles, cpu speed goes down and cpu used 
to keep up with jack's unchanging needs goes up.

Set Cpu to performance. Based on my CPU temperature readings, power use 
doesn't change much.

--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Thu Aug 25 01:16:05 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 21:16:05 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Sans titre - Without title
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1607171917540.30188@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20160715015700.01797276@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1607160710490.30188@scott.cbbs.org>
 <CAJSuDAxUTNyQW=_9hOZ3x6=Wji536QEBGdUGrN7gfUqt1tsGkw@mail.gmail.com>
 <3202234.2Qkv6zZsPI@col-desktop>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1607171917540.30188@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <20160824211605.26d9ac79@mevla>

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:

> The more likely thing is that the clipping is happening in the analog 
> ciruitry before the ADC. All of these cards take their voltages from
> PCI (+/- 12v - ish) That has to be dropped a bit to get anything like
> DC voltages through regulation. A +4 input does not peak at +4 but
> might peak as high as +27dBu (for the MPAII in question) which is
> about 50 v p-p... I would call that clipped with no pad in front of
> the gain stage.
 
Since then I got an ART Pro MPA II.  Still getting (or starting to) with
it. That device by itself makes noise, I find.  First of all, there is
a choice of +4db or -10dB I/O levels.  Going through the 10101LT user
guide, and assuming that the switches are at default (did not took the
card out of the computer) which is -10db, the output of the MPA is then
set at -10dB.

Since the device itself makes noise, then the gain has to be brought
loud enough to go over that noise, so that at room sound takes
over, eg. room is made for the instrument.  Using only one mic so far
(AT2050 in cardiod mode) it is not possible to make the VU meter
needles move with the playing but, the sound gets to Ardour all right.

Since this is very early, I have certainly no conclusions thus far.

Cheers.

From silvain at freeshell.de  Thu Aug 25 05:14:54 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 07:14:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608241652160.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608241652160.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <1608250706280.31704@freeshell.de>

Len Ovens, Aug 25 2016:
...
> DSP with Ardour running 3.6 to 3.8% (only two plugins fluidsynth and 
> reasonable synth just now)
Just curious: DSP? Do you have an extra board?
...
> CPU speed goes down. WHen jack first gets started powersave will give cpu 
> close to full speed, as jack idles, cpu speed goes down and cpu used to keep 
> up with jack's unchanging needs goes up.
This is something I hadn't considered, seeing that 800MHz is the lowest speed setting for my CPU.

Right now JACK 0.125.0rc1 idles at 17-18% CPU and has done so since last night. If that doesn't hold, I will try changing the govenor.

Thank you all, for your help and guidance.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From len at ovenwerks.net  Thu Aug 25 13:16:05 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 06:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Again: JACK using too much CPU after a while
In-Reply-To: <1608250706280.31704@freeshell.de>
References: <1608242051510.8883@freeshell.de>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608241652160.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <1608250706280.31704@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608250604510.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Ffanci Silvain wrote:

> Len Ovens, Aug 25 2016:
> ...
>> DSP with Ardour running 3.6 to 3.8% (only two plugins fluidsynth and 
>> reasonable synth just now)
> Just curious: DSP? Do you have an extra board?

No, not beyond the Delta66 itself. There are two measures of system 
busy-ness of interest in an audio system. CPU use just tells how busy the 
CPU is. How much time is it idle and how much time is it working. DSP is a 
measure of how much time is left after the last jack client has finished 
in one buffer cycle. DSP is more important than CPU use for audio work. If 
DSP spikes over 100% you have an xrun. With a realtime kernel CPU might 
hit 100% with no ill affect on audio. (running an audio system with cpu at 
100% is not recomended) If you are using Qjackctl, there will be a yellow 
RT#% (where # is some number) This is DSP use. Ardour also shows this 
number right at the top. CPU use is best shown with htop.


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From brummer- at web.de  Thu Aug 25 15:58:58 2016
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:58:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU]  new Vintage Fuzz Master Plugin (LV2)
Message-ID: <bebf2a95-3a97-e3f0-c2f4-ef0b6c68757f@web.de>

Yet a other one off the mini series from GUI-less LV2 plugs,
This time, a analogue simulation of the Vintage Fuzz Master (Devi Ever)
This one comes with a bass/bright switch and is a bit modified to 
produce less Volume then the original pedal.
With "Intensity" down, it will blow up the low end, but by turn it up, 
it produce the well known and loved octave up artefacts.

https://github.com/brummer10/GxVintageFuzzMaster.lv2


 >All we wanna do is have some fuzz

From d_baron at 012.net.il  Thu Aug 25 18:01:08 2016
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:01:08 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
Message-ID: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi>

I have a jurassic ens1371 audio PCI card. It is used just as a monitor port 
leaving anything else to newer peripherals.

This card has a joystick port. I found an old joystick so would like to try 
this out. There are even MIDI controllers around that can make use of it. 
Unfortunately, everything found by Google on how to set this up is very out-
of-date. Some file or script somewhere, not where all these instructions say it 
should be, needs be around setting the joystick-enabled to true.

I tried /etc/modprobe.d but that did not work.

Anyone done this? Gameport is in /etc/modules and gets modprobed and lsmod 
shows it tied to the ens1371.

From clemens at ladisch.de  Thu Aug 25 18:15:58 2016
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:15:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi>
Message-ID: <33db431b-d85c-0e42-ddfe-07225f2ac221@ladisch.de>

David Baron wrote:
> I have a jurassic ens1371 audio PCI card. It is used just as a monitor port
> leaving anything else to newer peripherals.
>
> This card has a joystick port. I found an old joystick so would like to try
> this out. [...]
>
> I tried /etc/modprobe.d but that did not work.

What did you try?  Did you set the joystick_port option?


Regards,
Clemens

From d_baron at 012.net.il  Thu Aug 25 18:44:23 2016
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:44:23 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <33db431b-d85c-0e42-ddfe-07225f2ac221@ladisch.de>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi>
 <33db431b-d85c-0e42-ddfe-07225f2ac221@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <1906471.BjdJLC0IWo@dovidhalevi>

On ??? ?????, 25 ??????? 2016 20:15:58 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> David Baron wrote:
> > I have a jurassic ens1371 audio PCI card. It is used just as a monitor
> > port
> > leaving anything else to newer peripherals.
> > 
> > This card has a joystick port. I found an old joystick so would like to
> > try
> > this out. [...]
> > 
> > I tried /etc/modprobe.d but that did not work.
> 
> What did you try?  Did you set the joystick_port option?
> 
This is apparently the default state:
$ cat /proc/asound/card0/audiopci
Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371

Joystick enable  : off
Joystick port    : 0x200

Need to set the enable to "on" or "true" somewhere.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Thu Aug 25 19:20:40 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:20:40 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
Message-ID: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>

Hello,

Suddenly the audio started crackling.  I was listening to a youtube
tutorial (firefox) and it started.  Bitwig and Renoise were running but
not playing anything.  I looked at  the log files (syslog, kern) nothing
relevant.  Card is 10101LT.

jackd runs at about 10.3ms latency (last time I checked using
jack_iodelay), so it run as:

/usr/bin/jackd --sync -T -P95 -ndefault -dalsa -dhw:M1010LT -r44100
-p128 -n2

scaling_gouvernor all set to performance.  Interrupt prio looks OK:

  PID CLS RTPRIO  NI PRI %CPU STAT COMMAND
  436 FF      90   - 130  1.6 S    irq/18-snd_ice1
   47 FF      50   -  90  0.0 S    irq/9-acpi

limits audio.conf is:

@audio   -  rtprio     95
@audio   -  memlock    unlimited

Interrupts servicing for all 4 CPUs (i5) :

  0:  IR-IO-APIC-edge      i8042
  4:  IR-IO-APIC-edge    
  8:  IR-IO-APIC-edge      rtc0
  9:  IR-IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
 12:  IR-IO-APIC-edge      i8042
 18:  IR-IO-APIC-fasteoi   snd_ice1712

jackd and pulse processes:

 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog

 [pulseaudio] <defunct>

 /usr/bin/jackd -T -ndefault --sync -T -P95 -ndefault -dalsa
 -dhw:M1010LT -r44100 -p128 -n2

The pa zombie was there way before the crackling started.  Not sure if
this is related.

The pulseaudio jackd sink is active and can be seen in qjackctl.

So it seems OK.  But the audio is full of crackles.  In firefox, as
well as Bitwig and Renoise when now something is played.  Of course,
when the machine was started some audio was played in both Bitwig and
Renoise and it was fine.  Then I watched a youtube tutorial and bam,
after maybe 15 minutes, all audio output is full of crackling.

Since the log files shows nothing.  How is troubleshooting information
gathered ?  There should be some SW system component that can be
probed, somwthing that could be observed.  - or is it that the 1010LT
is going awry ?  Can this happen at all ?

Thanks for suggestions and comments !

Cheers.





From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Thu Aug 25 19:29:08 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:29:08 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160825152908.08956b47@mevla>

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:20:40 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> So it seems OK.  But the audio is full of crackles.  

The machine was power cycled and now all audio is just fine... until
next time.  I start to notice this, these crackle suddenly happening,
from time to time.  I have a hunch this is linked to Bitwig doing
something not right, although up to now I have no evidence of that.
What could make the audio, from playing fine, suddenly be full of
crackles, and for all applications at that ?


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Thu Aug 25 19:29:55 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:29:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cK=nzETaAOUZXz9S3+iwGj3Y=Y1W6_i5Q3qwh2a_HFW6cg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:20 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com <jonetsu at teksavvy.com>
wrote:

>
> /usr/bin/jackd --sync -T -P95 -ndefault -dalsa -dhw:M1010LT -r44100
> -p128 -n2
>

unrelated to your problem but stop using the "-ndefault" option. "Server
name" was never meant to be exposed to normal users.
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From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com  Thu Aug 25 22:01:05 2016
From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:01:05 -0500
Subject: [LAU] ardour session exchange
Message-ID: <CAOVXK3d=f3fWLjiz1EpzSugvPuO5ofmyCppKmOdffhYHNoEc6w@mail.gmail.com>

I want to collaborate with someone in non-realtime. I see that there is a
project called ardour session exchange. I read on the ardour forum that it
has been included into ardour code now. I don't see where this is
documented though. Does anyone know how to use it? Is this the best choice
to collaborate with people on a recording project in a non-realtime way?

Thanks,
Jeremiah
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From termtech at rogers.com  Thu Aug 25 22:19:17 2016
From: termtech at rogers.com (termtech)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:17 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
	RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
Message-ID: <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>

On Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:20:40 PM EDT jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Suddenly the audio started crackling.  I was listening to a youtube
> tutorial (firefox) and it started.  Bitwig and Renoise were running but
> not playing anything.  I looked at  the log files (syslog, kern) nothing
> relevant.  Card is 10101LT.
> 
> jackd runs at about 10.3ms latency (last time I checked using
> jack_iodelay), so it run as:
> 
> /usr/bin/jackd --sync -T -P95 -ndefault -dalsa -dhw:M1010LT -r44100
> -p128 -n2
> 
> scaling_gouvernor all set to performance.  Interrupt prio looks OK:
> 
>   PID CLS RTPRIO  NI PRI %CPU STAT COMMAND
>   436 FF      90   - 130  1.6 S    irq/18-snd_ice1
>    47 FF      50   -  90  0.0 S    irq/9-acpi
> 
> limits audio.conf is:
> 
> @audio   -  rtprio     95
> @audio   -  memlock    unlimited
> 
> Interrupts servicing for all 4 CPUs (i5) :
> 
>   0:  IR-IO-APIC-edge      i8042
>   4:  IR-IO-APIC-edge
>   8:  IR-IO-APIC-edge      rtc0
>   9:  IR-IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
>  12:  IR-IO-APIC-edge      i8042
>  18:  IR-IO-APIC-fasteoi   snd_ice1712
> 
> jackd and pulse processes:
> 
>  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
> 
>  [pulseaudio] <defunct>
> 
>  /usr/bin/jackd -T -ndefault --sync -T -P95 -ndefault -dalsa
>  -dhw:M1010LT -r44100 -p128 -n2
> 
> The pa zombie was there way before the crackling started.  Not sure if
> this is related.
> 
> The pulseaudio jackd sink is active and can be seen in qjackctl.
> 
> So it seems OK.  But the audio is full of crackles.  In firefox, as
> well as Bitwig and Renoise when now something is played.  Of course,
> when the machine was started some audio was played in both Bitwig and
> Renoise and it was fine.  Then I watched a youtube tutorial and bam,
> after maybe 15 minutes, all audio output is full of crackling.
> 
> Since the log files shows nothing.  How is troubleshooting information
> gathered ?  There should be some SW system component that can be
> probed, somwthing that could be observed.  - or is it that the 1010LT
> is going awry ?  Can this happen at all ?
> 
> Thanks for suggestions and comments !
> 
> Cheers.

Hi, this is very, very ironic for me.
Is this a new or replacement PC?

I hope the following helps provide at least one answer for others having 
 these problems:

My new i5 Acer M3910 PC is doing the same thing with my 1010LT.
Right from day one. Digital noise, crackles, and pops, on the analog output.

This is in BOTH Linux and Windows 7. The same noises in each.

To be sure, I reinstalled the card on the older PC from which it came,
 and it is fine. I also installed a SBLive! PCI card on the new PC and 
 it is fine. Seems this 1010LT doesn't like this new PC.

I have noticed many people complaining about such noises,
 especially the clicks and pops. But as you know this can be muddy 
 territory, with several different causes that are hard to pin down.

So, being heavily involved with these ice1712 cards
 (I helped with mudita24 mixer), I have some test results
 that should interest owners of this card:

Go to this site:
http://onlinetonegenerator.com
 and input a high frequency of say 15000Hz, so that you don't
 hear the tone so much as any noise that may accompany it.
Or, if so desired, use Jack and a tone generator plugin.

On this new PC I get really horrible digital noise, clicks and pops.
The digital noise, oddly, is worse with higher frequency test tones.
>From listening carefully to the noise, it seems something to do 
 with the PCI bus timing or voltage, or poor digital shielding such that 
 noise is getting into the D/A converters before conversion to analog.

This 1010LT card is revision 'C', the last and latest revision.

I tried everything. Turned off SpeedStep, adjusted Jack buffer size etc.

This PC's BIOS is not very friendly, it is a so-called 'locked BIOS'
 where you don't have much in the way of critical timing parameters.

----

So, today I brought the card to my dealer and we tried it on
 another i5 PC, having a much better Asus MB.

Result: Perfect behaviour. Even at the lowest power saving settings,
 on that test-tone website the card only made a couple of pops but 
 no digital noise. I would expect a couple of pops here and there 
 at these settings, so I concluded the card is fine there.

Conclusion: My dealer is replacing this Acer MB with the better one.

Believe me if there was something I could do to make it work
 I would do it and report back. I was contemplating replacing the 
 electrolytic capacitors on the card just in case. You'd be surprised just
 how weak caps can be, allowing digital ripple on supply lines etc.
It's possible that may help.
But given that the card works OK elsewhere, and I don't want to waste
 any more time on this, I am just going for the replacement PC instead.

Tim.

From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Thu Aug 25 22:20:30 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:20:30 -0400
Subject: [LAU] ardour session exchange
In-Reply-To: <CAOVXK3d=f3fWLjiz1EpzSugvPuO5ofmyCppKmOdffhYHNoEc6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOVXK3d=f3fWLjiz1EpzSugvPuO5ofmyCppKmOdffhYHNoEc6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cK=jN3zL7rdMMdLCGpaW-SRddaeDyx1Squ6sHKtzW8mqAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ardour SeX fell out of development a long, long time ago (perhaps 10 years
or more).

It was never a part of Ardour itself, but a  separate, standalone program.
The user interface was pretty horrible, and the functionality incomplete.

A few folks on the forums have been having success with git.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jeremiah Benham <jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com
> wrote:

> I want to collaborate with someone in non-realtime. I see that there is a
> project called ardour session exchange. I read on the ardour forum that it
> has been included into ardour code now. I don't see where this is
> documented though. Does anyone know how to use it? Is this the best choice
> to collaborate with people on a recording project in a non-realtime way?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeremiah
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
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From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com  Thu Aug 25 22:33:05 2016
From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:33:05 -0500
Subject: [LAU] ardour session exchange
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cK=jN3zL7rdMMdLCGpaW-SRddaeDyx1Squ6sHKtzW8mqAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOVXK3d=f3fWLjiz1EpzSugvPuO5ofmyCppKmOdffhYHNoEc6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cK=jN3zL7rdMMdLCGpaW-SRddaeDyx1Squ6sHKtzW8mqAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOVXK3dZRMkU7eT7y8k9nCpTB9=yQWwLqy5BDV0E63aRYPktZQ@mail.gmail.com>

What made this fall out of developement? It seems like it would be an
awesome tool for collaboration!

Jeremiah

On Aug 25, 2016 5:20 PM, "Paul Davis" <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:

> Ardour SeX fell out of development a long, long time ago (perhaps 10 years
> or more).
>
> It was never a part of Ardour itself, but a  separate, standalone program.
> The user interface was pretty horrible, and the functionality incomplete.
>
> A few folks on the forums have been having success with git.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jeremiah Benham <
> jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to collaborate with someone in non-realtime. I see that there is a
>> project called ardour session exchange. I read on the ardour forum that it
>> has been included into ardour code now. I don't see where this is
>> documented though. Does anyone know how to use it? Is this the best choice
>> to collaborate with people on a recording project in a non-realtime way?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremiah
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>
>
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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Thu Aug 25 22:58:04 2016
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:58:04 -0400
Subject: [LAU] ardour session exchange
In-Reply-To: <CAOVXK3dZRMkU7eT7y8k9nCpTB9=yQWwLqy5BDV0E63aRYPktZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOVXK3d=f3fWLjiz1EpzSugvPuO5ofmyCppKmOdffhYHNoEc6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cK=jN3zL7rdMMdLCGpaW-SRddaeDyx1Squ6sHKtzW8mqAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOVXK3dZRMkU7eT7y8k9nCpTB9=yQWwLqy5BDV0E63aRYPktZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFa_cK=5m+oMgXhOymR+65=ukM=TGTge3xQ3z9YuHaaXFPF4-Q@mail.gmail.com>

The concept is undoubtedly great. The person whose brainchild this was
moved on to other things before it was really ready for handoff.

The basic protocol-level design questions really do have quite a lot in
common with distributed revision control systems, and it makes sense for
any future work to piggy back on what they've done in the last 12 years or
so, rather than reinvent the wheel.

Git tools may not make much sense for musicians, but libgit fronted by a
specialized GUI would probably be quite amenable for most people.


On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Jeremiah Benham <jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com
> wrote:

> What made this fall out of developement? It seems like it would be an
> awesome tool for collaboration!
>
> Jeremiah
>
> On Aug 25, 2016 5:20 PM, "Paul Davis" <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
>
>> Ardour SeX fell out of development a long, long time ago (perhaps 10
>> years or more).
>>
>> It was never a part of Ardour itself, but a  separate, standalone
>> program. The user interface was pretty horrible, and the functionality
>> incomplete.
>>
>> A few folks on the forums have been having success with git.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jeremiah Benham <
>> jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to collaborate with someone in non-realtime. I see that there is
>>> a project called ardour session exchange. I read on the ardour forum that
>>> it has been included into ardour code now. I don't see where this is
>>> documented though. Does anyone know how to use it? Is this the best choice
>>> to collaborate with people on a recording project in a non-realtime way?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeremiah
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>>>
>>
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From olli at coderkun.de  Fri Aug 26 06:19:16 2016
From: olli at coderkun.de (Olli)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:19:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ardour session exchange
In-Reply-To: <CAFa_cK=5m+oMgXhOymR+65=ukM=TGTge3xQ3z9YuHaaXFPF4-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOVXK3d=f3fWLjiz1EpzSugvPuO5ofmyCppKmOdffhYHNoEc6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cK=jN3zL7rdMMdLCGpaW-SRddaeDyx1Squ6sHKtzW8mqAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOVXK3dZRMkU7eT7y8k9nCpTB9=yQWwLqy5BDV0E63aRYPktZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cK=5m+oMgXhOymR+65=ukM=TGTge3xQ3z9YuHaaXFPF4-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160826061916.GA8009@yuki.localdomain>

On 25.08.16 18:58, Paul Davis wrote:
> Git tools may not make much sense for musicians, but libgit fronted by a
> specialized GUI would probably be quite amenable for most people.

Though using git sounds like a great idea?especially working with branches for
plugin configurations?I doubt it will work well with large audio material. You
would need a remote repository to store probably gigabytes of data.

I made some good experiences using syncthing? which does not require a central
server and works great for transfering large audo material. The only thing to
note is to not edit the session file simultaneously.

Maybe a combination of both would make sense: Using git for handling session
files and any non-audio file and using syncthing to transfer the (large) audio
files.

Regards,
Olli



? http://syncthing.net

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 26 06:27:39 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:27:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
Message-ID: <20160826082739.30dfcc9f@archlinux.localdomain>

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:17 -0400, termtech wrote:
>This is in BOTH Linux and Windows 7.
>So, today I brought the card to my dealer and we tried it on another
>i5 PC, having a much better Asus MB.
>
>Result: Perfect behaviour.

Was HT enabled or disabled on both PCs?

https://www.steinberg.net/nc/en/support/knowledgebase_new/show_details/kb_show/hyper-threading-and-asio-guard.html

From clemens at ladisch.de  Fri Aug 26 06:45:51 2016
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:45:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <1906471.BjdJLC0IWo@dovidhalevi>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi>
 <33db431b-d85c-0e42-ddfe-07225f2ac221@ladisch.de>
 <1906471.BjdJLC0IWo@dovidhalevi>
Message-ID: <2eeef417-6ee4-2b2c-a3d9-3d36e75a6af7@ladisch.de>

David Baron wrote:
> On ??? ?????, 25 ??????? 2016 20:15:58 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>> David Baron wrote:
>>> I tried /etc/modprobe.d but that did not work.
>>
>> What did you try?  Did you set the joystick_port option?
>
> This is apparently the default state:
> $ cat /proc/asound/card0/audiopci
> Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371
>
> Joystick enable  : off
> Joystick port    : 0x200
>
> Need to set the enable to "on" or "true" somewhere.

Add the line

  options snd-ens1371 joystick_port=1

to some .conf file in there.


Regards,
Clemens

From d_baron at 012.net.il  Fri Aug 26 07:32:27 2016
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:32:27 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <2eeef417-6ee4-2b2c-a3d9-3d36e75a6af7@ladisch.de>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi> <1906471.BjdJLC0IWo@dovidhalevi>
 <2eeef417-6ee4-2b2c-a3d9-3d36e75a6af7@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <11075794.F8DQQJPS4x@dovidhalevi>

On ??? ????, 26 ??????? 2016 8:45:51 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> David Baron wrote:
> > On ??? ?????, 25 ??????? 2016 20:15:58 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> >> David Baron wrote:
> >>> I tried /etc/modprobe.d but that did not work.
> >> 
> >> What did you try?  Did you set the joystick_port option?
> > 
> > This is apparently the default state:
> > $ cat /proc/asound/card0/audiopci
> > Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371
> > 
> > Joystick enable  : off
> > Joystick port    : 0x200
> > 
> > Need to set the enable to "on" or "true" somewhere.
> 
> Add the line
> 
>   options snd-ens1371 joystick_port=1
> 
> to some .conf file in there.
> 
> 
Should be joystick_enable?
What would port 1 be?

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 26 07:48:38 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:48:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <11075794.F8DQQJPS4x@dovidhalevi>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi> <1906471.BjdJLC0IWo@dovidhalevi>
 <2eeef417-6ee4-2b2c-a3d9-3d36e75a6af7@ladisch.de>
 <11075794.F8DQQJPS4x@dovidhalevi>
Message-ID: <20160826094838.2972de85@archlinux.localdomain>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:32:27 +0300, David Baron wrote:
>>   options snd-ens1371 joystick_port=1
>> 
>What would port 1 be?

Perhaps (I don't know), it's not a port ID, but means "yes", "true",
"enabled" or "1" for the first card using this driver, or ... ;). At
least a joystick should work, if it's attached to the sound card's game
port.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 09:04:12 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 05:04:12 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
Message-ID: <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:17 -0400
termtech <termtech at rogers.com> wrote:

Hi,

> Is this a new or replacement PC?

Neither.  I have this one for a few years now.
 
> Go to this site:
> http://onlinetonegenerator.com
>  and input a high frequency of say 15000Hz, so that you don't
>  hear the tone so much as any noise that may accompany it.

There is no noise at all, at the moment.  The problem is not steady.
It can happen suddenly.  I have linked somehow to the use of Bitwig
although from your comments I now start to veer off towards the 10101LT
capacitors.

One thing: with a tone say of 1500HZ generated from the above web page,
there is crackling as soon as the volume slider is moved from left to
right repeatedly.  No crackling otherwise.

Compensating for audio variations could involve capacitors I think.  If
they start to fail then shaking the volume slider could produce noise,
could it ?

> So, today I brought the card to my dealer and we tried it on
>  another i5 PC, having a much better Asus MB.

It"s also an Asus board in this machine.  I always get Asus since some
time.
 
> Believe me if there was something I could do to make it work
>  I would do it and report back. I was contemplating replacing the 
>  electrolytic capacitors on the card just in case. You'd be surprised
> just how weak caps can be, allowing digital ripple on supply lines
> etc. It's possible that may help.
> But given that the card works OK elsewhere, and I don't want to waste
>  any more time on this, I am just going for the replacement PC
> instead.

Replacing the capacitors could be something to do.  Are they easy to
get ?  How many of these are on the card ?

OTOH, I was at the music store recently and upon mentioning 1010LT the
remarks went on about age and who is older.  Maybe it could be time to
upgrade to a newer card.  Maybe.  I have no idea on what's on the
market that plays very well for Linux.  I'll start another thread.

Cheers.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 09:23:04 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 05:23:04 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Replacement for a 1010LT
Message-ID: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>

Hi all,

What's there on the market nowadays that works very well in Linux ?

I use many in/out lines on the 1010LT.  I use 5 line outs, 4 line
ins, 2 XLR ins.  I find it practical not having to re-connect things.
Nice for recording. And also, not needing extra hardware to connect
many lines to an interface limited in I/O is good.

The replacement audio card should have a good number of I/o lines, as
well as XLR inputs.  

Just got recently an ART MPA II pre-amp which I'm slowly exploring.  So
phantom power from an audio interface is not a criteria.

Browsing the M-Audio site, the M-Track Eight rack mount USB unit might
be something along those lines, although since I also have things
connected to the 3 USB ports, I would tend to prefer one that does not
use USB.  Also, it sounds like it comes with controlling software that
could be not available on Linux, or available with limited
capabilities.  Some for the Octane Preamp Technology M-Audio is
boasting about that interface: not needed.  I'd prefer putting money
into the interface itself.

The other offerings from M-Audio are those rather limited-looking
interfaces with a big knob sitting on top.

I do not know of any other serious audio interfaces out there -
suggestions and comments are welcomed !

Cheers.



From clemens at ladisch.de  Fri Aug 26 10:58:51 2016
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:58:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <11075794.F8DQQJPS4x@dovidhalevi>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi> <1906471.BjdJLC0IWo@dovidhalevi>
 <2eeef417-6ee4-2b2c-a3d9-3d36e75a6af7@ladisch.de>
 <11075794.F8DQQJPS4x@dovidhalevi>
Message-ID: <d673dbbc-d156-2822-e2ca-ea982878be1f@ladisch.de>

David Baron wrote:
> On ??? ????, 26 ??????? 2016 8:45:51 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
>> David Baron wrote:
>>> $ cat /proc/asound/card0/audiopci
>>> Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371
>>>
>>> Joystick enable  : off
>>> Joystick port    : 0x200
>>>
>>> Need to set the enable to "on" or "true" somewhere.
>>
>> Add the line
>>
>>   options snd-ens1371 joystick_port=1
>>
>> to some .conf file in there.
>
> Should be joystick_enable?
> What would port 1 be?

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt


Regards,
Clemens

From k.s.matheussen at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 12:15:49 2016
From: k.s.matheussen at gmail.com (Kjetil Matheussen)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:15:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
Message-ID: <CAC6niE+dXHLi-MYr12OLTCKiUf3ZabWW6nPYPQevbUW0gZe2JQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> "jonetsu at teksavvy.com":


> Hello,
>
> Suddenly the audio started crackling.  I was listening to a youtube
> tutorial (firefox) and it started.  Bitwig and Renoise were running but
> not playing anything.  I looked at  the log files (syslog, kern) nothing
> relevant.  Card is 10101LT.
>
>
Are you running demo versions of the u-he plugins in bitwig or renoise?
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From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 13:39:18 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:39:18 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <CAC6niE+dXHLi-MYr12OLTCKiUf3ZabWW6nPYPQevbUW0gZe2JQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20160826093918.623c1eb4@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:15:49 +0200
Kjetil Matheussen <k.s.matheussen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you running demo versions of the u-he plugins in bitwig or
> renoise?

Ah ah.  :)  Funny.



From k.s.matheussen at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 13:40:57 2016
From: k.s.matheussen at gmail.com (Kjetil Matheussen)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:40:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:39 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com <jonetsu at teksavvy.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:15:49 +0200
> Kjetil Matheussen <k.s.matheussen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Are you running demo versions of the u-he plugins in bitwig or
> > renoise?
>
> Ah ah.  :)  Funny.
>
>
> Actually, I've thought there has been something wrong with my soundcard
many times because of this. :-)
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From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 14:21:06 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:21:06 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:40:57 +0200
Kjetil Matheussen <k.s.matheussen at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:39 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com
> <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:15:49 +0200
> > Kjetil Matheussen <k.s.matheussen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Are you running demo versions of the u-he plugins in bitwig or
> > > renoise?
> >
> > Ah ah.  :)  Funny.

> > Actually, I've thought there has been something wrong with my
> > soundcard many times because of this. :-)

Although that would be predictable.  The problem here is spontaneous.
Yesterday I've seen it clearly as I was watching a tutorial on Renoise
on youtube: the audio suddenly started to crackle, so much that it was
like a bit crusher device.  In which case powering down the machine and
rebooting solved the problem.  And although the tutorial was on
house/jungle/dubstep no, it was not part of the music :)

Cheers.



From termtech at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 15:45:46 2016
From: termtech at rogers.com (termtech)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:45:46 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
	RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <20160826082739.30dfcc9f@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
 <20160826082739.30dfcc9f@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <49078311.3UIx36o6HG@tim-aspire-m3910>

On Friday, August 26, 2016 8:27:39 AM EDT Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:17 -0400, termtech wrote:
> >This is in BOTH Linux and Windows 7.
> >So, today I brought the card to my dealer and we tried it on another
> >i5 PC, having a much better Asus MB.
> >
> >Result: Perfect behaviour.
> 
> Was HT enabled or disabled on both PCs?
> 
> https://www.steinberg.net/nc/en/support/knowledgebase_new/show_details/kb_sh
> ow/hyper-threading-and-asio-guard.html

On this Acer PC there's no HT setting, but a few others like
 SpeedStep, force XD bit, and some Intel VM setting.
I turned all of it off and on, and several other settings,
 no change whatsoever in the digital noise, although
 turning off SpeedStep helped with some of the pops and clicks,
 as it usually does in most cases.

On the store's PC, not sure I didn't check but HT is likely on,
 because it is a default setup store PC with no special needs.

This Acer PC has shared video memory (ugh), so I tried a
 separate video card, no luck.

T.

From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 26 15:51:58 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608260618110.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:17 -0400
> termtech <termtech at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Replacing the capacitors could be something to do.  Are they easy to
> get ?  How many of these are on the card ?
>
> OTOH, I was at the music store recently and upon mentioning 1010LT the
> remarks went on about age and who is older.  Maybe it could be time to
> upgrade to a newer card.  Maybe.  I have no idea on what's on the
> market that plays very well for Linux.  I'll start another thread.

All reasonably priced audio interfaces with at least 8 ports are USB2.0. 
Yes they work... But none of them are a match for the 1010 in stability or 
latency. The other side of the arguement is that PCI itself is dead. Even 
on the MB that still have them (I bought a new MB with three of them just 
so I could choose the best one for my ice1712) they are possibly bridged 
via PCIe.

The general thought in the Computer Audio community is that USB is what we 
have to "put up with". Very few people have spent the time with USB that 
in the past was spent on PCI audio, because it is just expected to have 
poor(er) performance. Latency changes depending on what time it is when 
the port is opened... etc. At least one person has found that the USB host 
chipset makes a rather large difference in performance... The ones on 
almost any motherboard will use Intel technology which just like some of 
their USB 3 chips are not very good for Audio. Buying the right PCIe to 
USB card can improve things a great deal. It can have it's own IRQ as well 
as a good chipset.

(see 
http://crimeandtheforcesofevil.com/blog/2016/07/25/so-hey-usb-chipsets-totally-matter/ 
)

Another thought that hits me about this is that the 1010 (not the LT) was 
not cheap when it first came out. Allowing for inflation perhaps some of 
the Audio Science (and other) PCIe cards are not so far off.

There are also some USB3 kinds of things starting to show up. Like:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/ca/products/ultrastudiousb3
While it shows as a video interface... it does have at least 8 Audio i/o 
as well. The problem is that while the price is not bad... there are only 
4 analog connector sets and they are line level (+4dB). There are some 
extra AES but at least some of those are shared with the analog lines. The 
real audio expansion would be with SDI or HDMI inputs and outputs which 
are 8 audio channels each. Costwise $900 plus $300 for one of these:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1082829&gclid=Cj0KEQjw0f-9BRCF9-D60_n4rKcBEiQAnXW4-4CSe2dKMXNOawl5XGYp9Du0MNCUe5wi7j-LLlhrKoMaAt928P8HAQ&Q=&is=REG&A=details
to get some extra inputs. Add the cost of preamps to that... (though the 
delta 1010, 66 and 44 would have the same requirement so you may already 
have preamps or a mixer)

I would suggest that this would be cheaper:
http://www.audioscience.com/internet/products/sound_cards/asi574x.htm
While they call it 4 channel they are 4 strereo channels for 8 audio lines 
all together. There is also the:
http://www.audioscience.com/internet/products/sound_cards/asi578x.htm for 
16 audio i/o.
These do both have alsa kernel modules and there is linux commandline 
tools for setting the internal mixer. If you can find 8 pcie slots on your 
motherboard... you can keep adding these till you fill your computer and 
they will all be sample synced. Again these are line level devices. Quite 
honestly, these are the devices I will be looking at to replace my delta66 
when I am forced away from PCI in a future motherboard choice. (when I can 
no longer find MB with PCI slots) I have not seen any USB AIs I would 
consider using. Yes the USB boxs have preamps, but the quality is 
questionable anyway. They are expandable but it seems USB chipsets that 
work with them are few or they stop working with some kernel releases. USB 
is not really designed for low latency audio. It has always been a 
consumer grade, cheap and easy solution for both the manufacture and the 
user.

In the end, good audio costs. If you are doing live work, latency matters. 
For recording not so much. If you are currently using monitoring that 
goes through the computer, buy a mixer! At least get an AI that has an 
internal mixer for monitoring. In my opinion, no one should be recording 
with through the computer monitoring.

Anyway, I am sure lots of other people will have comments to balance out 
my biased thoughts.


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 26 15:58:30 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <49078311.3UIx36o6HG@tim-aspire-m3910>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
 <20160826082739.30dfcc9f@archlinux.localdomain>
 <49078311.3UIx36o6HG@tim-aspire-m3910>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608260855210.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, termtech wrote:

> On Friday, August 26, 2016 8:27:39 AM EDT Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:17 -0400, termtech wrote:
>>> This is in BOTH Linux and Windows 7.
>>> So, today I brought the card to my dealer and we tried it on another
>>> i5 PC, having a much better Asus MB.
>>>
>>> Result: Perfect behaviour.
>>
>> Was HT enabled or disabled on both PCs?
>
> On this Acer PC there's no HT setting, but a few others like
> SpeedStep, force XD bit, and some Intel VM setting.

An i5 4 core cpu has no HT at all. That was one of my reasons for choosing 
a 4 core i5 over a 4 core i7. I felt with the i7 I would be turning off 
any of it's advantages over the i5 anyway and the i5 cools easier at the 
same speeds.


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From termtech at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 17:13:49 2016
From: termtech at rogers.com (termtech)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:13:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
	RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
Message-ID: <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>

On Friday, August 26, 2016 5:04:12 AM EDT jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:19:17 -0400
> termtech <termtech at rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > Is this a new or replacement PC?
> 
> Neither.  I have this one for a few years now.
> 
> > Go to this site:
> > http://onlinetonegenerator.com
> > 
> >  and input a high frequency of say 15000Hz, so that you don't
> >  hear the tone so much as any noise that may accompany it.
> 
> There is no noise at all, at the moment.  The problem is not steady.
> It can happen suddenly.  

OK. Make sure you try some of the following:

Turn off any SpeedStep or Cool n' Quiet BIOS settings.
These are CPU clock throttling mechanisms that ARE well
 known to produce pops and clicks (but not the digital noise
 I mentioned). Turning them off or adjusting them is known to 
 solve many cases of clicks and pops.

I found some tools in Linux for handy speed settings
 such as a neat 'indicator-cpufreq' taskbar icon where
 you can adjust the throttling mechanisms.
You get 'performance' 'on demand' 'power save' modes etc.
 as well as a dozen or so specific CPU frequencies to choose from.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work.
No matter what I choose doesn't seem to affect anything.
	"grep -E '^model name|^cpu MHz' /proc/cpuinfo"
 shows no change in the CPU cores' frequencies.
(SpeedStep is currently enabled.)


Speaking of which, I also tried adjusting the card's 
 interrupt CPU affinity settings (on interrupt #20) :
	sudo echo [desired CPU bit pattern] > "/proc/irq/20/smp_affinity"
 and
	"cat /proc/irq/20/smp_affinity"

No change in noise.

> I have linked somehow to the use of Bitwig
> although from your comments I now start to veer off towards the 10101LT
> capacitors.
> 
> One thing: with a tone say of 1500HZ generated from the above web page,
> there is crackling as soon as the volume slider is moved from left to
> right repeatedly.  No crackling otherwise.

Hm, well in my case, when the digital noise is present, simply moving
 the mouse around, across borders and so on, affects the noise.

The volume slider thing may be normal, possibly just the way the site works,
 not seamlessly switching volumes.

(I mention in another post this MB is shared video memory, so 
 I tried a video card, but no luck.)

> Compensating for audio variations could involve capacitors I think.  If
> they start to fail then shaking the volume slider could produce noise,
> could it ?

Mm, as I say that could just be the site and the volume slider making pops. 

If weak capacitors are involved you'd likely get some kind of noise 
 with any operation, even just playing a sound.

> > So, today I brought the card to my dealer and we tried it on
> > 
> >  another i5 PC, having a much better Asus MB.
> 
> It"s also an Asus board in this machine.  I always get Asus since some
> time.

Yeah, one of the best. Love 'em.

> > Believe me if there was something I could do to make it work
> > 
> >  I would do it and report back. I was contemplating replacing the
> >  electrolytic capacitors on the card just in case. You'd be surprised
> > 
> > just how weak caps can be, allowing digital ripple on supply lines
> > etc. It's possible that may help.
> > But given that the card works OK elsewhere, and I don't want to waste
> > 
> >  any more time on this, I am just going for the replacement PC
> > 
> > instead.
> 
> Replacing the capacitors could be something to do.  Are they easy to
> get ?  How many of these are on the card ?

You should be adept at soldering and have a good iron.
This is a double sided (likely multi-layered) board so the iron needs to
 be good and not lose heat quickly to surrounding copper, metal etc.
You'll likely want de-soldering braided wick, or a de-soldering pump,
 to remove the solder from the holes, although luckily with caps having 
 just two legs you can sometimes get away with just pushing the 
 two legs of the new capacitor through the solder-filled holes one at a time.

As for the actual caps, I can't look now 'cause it's installed, but I did 
 of course see cheap non-Japanese caps in there (never a good thing).

In particular, you'll want to start with the largest ones, near the
 7805 +5V voltage regulator. Good power bypassing is a crucial start.

I wouldn't worry too much about all the other small ones,
 most of them are signal decoupling caps and if bad you would likely
 get steady clipping or weak signals instead of digital noise or 
 infrequent (non-clipping-related) pops.
Still, some of the smaller caps can be power supply bypass caps
 so eventually you may have to make your way to them.


As a repair tech, I have dealt with thousands of noisy situations like this.
Bad converter bits, weak data buses, noisy supply lines... Seen it all.
Anyone who has ever brought a hand close to a CD player's sensitive 
 optical pickup cable will know the noise that is produced.
That's sort of, kind of, the digital noise I'm getting.
I suspect that if I open this PC's case and start touching the 1010 card 
 with my fingers, providing some extra capacitance and conductance, 
 something would snap into place - it is that close to functioning fully 
 properly. I hate being defeated by crap like this so I am thinking of trying 
 that when I get a chance. I hate when stuff has to be discarded.
I may just hook up my oscilloscope to try and find out what's going on.
It may reveal bad caps...

* Insider's tip: Freeze spray is your best friend!
Get a can of it, or use an upside down can of compressed air 
 (it makes freeze spray when upside down).
Spray the capacitors, semiconductors, even the copper traces on the board,
 to reveal bad caps, bad semiconductors, bad traces etc.
Then watch for the symptoms to appear or disappear.
Guaranteed to easily reveal bad caps in virtually ALL situations.
(The chemical electrolyte heats up / cools down.)
The inverse is also helpful: Heat the top of the metal cans of the
 capacitors with the soldering iron tip and watch for changes.
I may try it and report back...

> OTOH, I was at the music store recently and upon mentioning 1010LT the
> remarks went on about age and who is older.  Maybe it could be time to
> upgrade to a newer card.  Maybe.  I have no idea on what's on the
> market that plays very well for Linux.  I'll start another thread.

Yeah exactly, I am (or was) searching for possible replacements
 so I am curious what is out there, good to start a thread on this.
Seemed there's not much comparable to this card, new products
 out there seem to start in the hundreds of dollars :-(

Particularly USB devices I'd like to know how well they perform,
 latency etc.

Tim.

> 
> Cheers.



From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 17:38:36 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:38:36 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
 <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
Message-ID: <20160826133836.124598aa@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:13:49 -0400
termtech <termtech at rogers.com> wrote:

Thanks for the comments !

> On Friday, August 26, 2016 5:04:12 AM EDT jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> > OTOH, I was at the music store recently and upon mentioning 1010LT
> > the remarks went on about age and who is older.  Maybe it could be
> > time to upgrade to a newer card.  Maybe.  I have no idea on what's
> > on the market that plays very well for Linux.  I'll start another
> > thread.
 
> Yeah exactly, I am (or was) searching for possible replacements
>  so I am curious what is out there, good to start a thread on this.
> Seemed there's not much comparable to this card, new products
>  out there seem to start in the hundreds of dollars :-(

I wonder about finding a possibly new 1010LT somewhere.  If only to
have one in the machine while the caps are replaced on the other.

What is the difference, apart from the hardware, between the PCI-only
version of the 1010LT and the 1010 that comes with a rack mount
interface ?  Same chipset and same integration in Linux ?


From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com  Fri Aug 26 18:09:24 2016
From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:09:24 -0500
Subject: [LAU] ardour session exchange
In-Reply-To: <20160826061916.GA8009@yuki.localdomain>
References: <CAOVXK3d=f3fWLjiz1EpzSugvPuO5ofmyCppKmOdffhYHNoEc6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cK=jN3zL7rdMMdLCGpaW-SRddaeDyx1Squ6sHKtzW8mqAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOVXK3dZRMkU7eT7y8k9nCpTB9=yQWwLqy5BDV0E63aRYPktZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFa_cK=5m+oMgXhOymR+65=ukM=TGTge3xQ3z9YuHaaXFPF4-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <20160826061916.GA8009@yuki.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAOVXK3fF=uMbz_SmTQoRQzh1OOSrn--5s-H8Q8dwHt-ymCCsOw@mail.gmail.com>

Is this the most recent source?
https://github.com/Ardour/ardour/blob/master/tools/session_exchange.py

I looked through the code and it seems simple enough. I don't think a lot
of musicicians will want to edit their router configuration. How can other
users share without them editing their router port forwarding and stuff?
Would we need a server to help with that?

Maybe I can use a Google drive and then allow users to read and write to it?

Jeremiah
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From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 26 18:39:56 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261129120.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, termtech wrote:

> I found some tools in Linux for handy speed settings
> such as a neat 'indicator-cpufreq' taskbar icon where
> you can adjust the throttling mechanisms.
> You get 'performance' 'on demand' 'power save' modes etc.
> as well as a dozen or so specific CPU frequencies to choose from.
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work.
> No matter what I choose doesn't seem to affect anything.


I have found that too, I use cpufreq-set and cpufreq-info instead.


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 26 18:53:06 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <20160826133836.124598aa@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826133836.124598aa@mevla>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261140280.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> What is the difference, apart from the hardware, between the PCI-only
> version of the 1010LT and the 1010 that comes with a rack mount
> interface ?  Same chipset and same integration in Linux ?

I have read (means do some more research) that the d1010 had the best 
(best out fo the delta stuff) ADCs the d66/d44 had one step down and the 
1010LT are yet another step down. The PCI interface chip (ice1712) itself 
has no ADC/DAC within the chip, they are separate. There are people on the 
list who have had the d1010 open and upgraded some bits in them. The other 
thing to remember is that the delta 1010 has it's analog bits in a 
separate box. So just in real estate, The d1010 has lots, the d66/44 has 
less and the 1010lt has the least having twice the analog channels and 
preamps as well. I would expect the 1010lt has as many ADCs on one chip as 
they could find.

--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 19:13:51 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:13:51 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261140280.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
 <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
 <20160826133836.124598aa@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261140280.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <20160826151351.3c17be73@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT)
Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> 
> > What is the difference, apart from the hardware, between the
> > PCI-only version of the 1010LT and the 1010 that comes with a rack
> > mount interface ?  Same chipset and same integration in Linux ?
> 
> I have read (means do some more research) that the d1010 had the best 
> (best out fo the delta stuff) ADCs the d66/d44 had one step down and
> the 1010LT are yet another step down. The PCI interface chip
> (ice1712) itself has no ADC/DAC within the chip, they are separate.
> There are people on the list who have had the d1010 open and upgraded
> some bits in them. The other thing to remember is that the delta 1010
> has it's analog bits in a separate box. So just in real estate, The
> d1010 has lots, the d66/44 has less and the 1010lt has the least
> having twice the analog channels and preamps as well. I would expect
> the 1010lt has as many ADCs on one chip as they could find.

Interesting.  By the way, thanks for your comments elsewhere on this
matter.

The d1010 does not have XLR inputs, though.  This would mean extra
hardware.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 26 19:22:59 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:22:59 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261129120.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910>
 <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261129120.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <20160826212259.3a30022c@archlinux.localdomain>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:39:56 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, termtech wrote:
>
>> I found some tools in Linux for handy speed settings
>> such as a neat 'indicator-cpufreq' taskbar icon where
>> you can adjust the throttling mechanisms.
>> You get 'performance' 'on demand' 'power save' modes etc.
>> as well as a dozen or so specific CPU frequencies to choose from.
>>
>> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work.
>> No matter what I choose doesn't seem to affect anything.  
>
>
>I have found that too, I use cpufreq-set and cpufreq-info instead.

When using command line, why using a tool at all?
It's also possible to make launchers, when using the following direct
access.

The wildcard /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu* might be required on some
machines. I don't know. My scripts use a wildcard, while it's not
necessary on my machine.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -Ggd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpuf*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 Aug 26 08:19 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq -> ../cpufreq/policy0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 Aug 26 20:54 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq -> ../cpufreq/policy0
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -Ggh /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
total 0
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 affected_cpus
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 bios_limit
-r-------- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_cur_freq
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_max_freq
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_min_freq
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_transition_latency
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 related_cpus
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_available_frequencies
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_available_governors
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_cur_freq
-r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_driver
-rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:08 scaling_governor
-rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_max_freq
-rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_min_freq
-rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_setspeed
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies 
2100000 2000000 1800000 1000000 
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors 
ondemand performance 
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq 
2100000
2100000
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor 
performance
performance
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ echo ondemand|sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor 
[sudo] password for rocketmouse: 
ondemand
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq 
1000000
1000000
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor 
ondemand
ondemand

Regards,
Ralf

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 19:29:55 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:29:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Replacement for a 1010LT
In-Reply-To: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
References: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160826152955.3578c44d@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 05:23:04 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> What's there on the market nowadays that works very well in Linux ?

The RME audio interfaces might be interesting, although even after
browsing (quickly) their web site I haven't sorted out which interface
would correspond best to the 1010LT as far as having 8 in/out and 2 XLR
ins - or something close to that.  But then, maybe it's not the right
way to go.  I get a hunch at that when a product features a fair amount
of unknown terminology and an excessive amount of channels :)


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 19:35:42 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:35:42 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
Message-ID: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>

If one would like tu use Linux as an audio workstation with say, Ardour
to do the recording, all housed inside a midsize tower i5 or so
computer, what would be the recommended audio interface ?  The one that
integrates to Linux 99% and works really well while providing a
certain number of I/Os ? 

There must be one that satisfies serious home (or small studio) uses.  I
do not believe that all Linux audio users are clinging to their legacy,
no-longer-sold M-Audio 1010 interfaces :)

Cheers.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 19:39:06 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:39:06 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160826153906.66bab3c3@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:35:42 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> There must be one that satisfies serious home (or small studio)
> uses.  I do not believe that all Linux audio users are clinging to
> their legacy, no-longer-sold M-Audio 1010 interfaces :)

... or to the ones shown in some Linux Audio web pages with product
links that leads to 404 pages not found :)


From david.santamauro at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 19:39:50 2016
From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:39:50 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
Message-ID: <57C09B06.9050707@gmail.com>



On 08/26/2016 03:35 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> There must be one that satisfies serious home (or small studio) uses.  I
> do not believe that all Linux audio users are clinging to their legacy,
> no-longer-sold M-Audio 1010 interfaces :)

I cling ... to both my delta1010 as well as the audiophile 24/96 but I 
have to say neither is getting much use on the input side after my 
purchase of the soundcraft 22MTK.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 26 19:46:19 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:46:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Replacement for a 1010LT
In-Reply-To: <20160826152955.3578c44d@mevla>
References: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
	<20160826152955.3578c44d@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160826214619.2e4e272f@archlinux.localdomain>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:29:55 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 05:23:04 -0400
>"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:
>
>> What's there on the market nowadays that works very well in Linux ?  
>
>The RME audio interfaces might be interesting, although even after
>browsing (quickly) their web site I haven't sorted out which interface
>would correspond best to the 1010LT as far as having 8 in/out and 2 XLR
>ins - or something close to that.  But then, maybe it's not the right
>way to go.  I get a hunch at that when a product features a fair amount
>of unknown terminology and an excessive amount of channels :)

When using Linux a

  HDSP 9632

many subscribers from this list, reported that it works and an ADAT
device, when using another OS, then either the

  HDSP 9632

or the

  HDSPe AIO

and an ADAT device. I own the HDSPe AIO and would never buy it again
for Linux usage.

Regards,
Ralf

From len at ovenwerks.net  Fri Aug 26 19:50:00 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:50:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
 RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <20160826151351.3c17be73@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826133836.124598aa@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261140280.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160826151351.3c17be73@mevla>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261227000.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT)
> Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
>
>> has it's analog bits in a separate box. So just in real estate, The
>> d1010 has lots, the d66/44 has less and the 1010lt has the least
>> having twice the analog channels and preamps as well. I would expect
>> the 1010lt has as many ADCs on one chip as they could find.
>
> Interesting.  By the way, thanks for your comments elsewhere on this
> matter.
>
> The d1010 does not have XLR inputs, though.  This would mean extra
> hardware.

Same with my d66. I happened to have a mixer with preamps and direct outs 
(from tape days, Fostex R8 as happens). IN any case, even buying a used 
d1010 would cost more than a new 1010lt. (some of which seem to show up 
once in a while)

It does depend on the use imagined. Portable with fewest possible boxes... 
probably go USB. 1818vsl or something like that. Put up with higher 
latency. Check it with each USB plug on the machine with no mouse plugged 
in if it is a laptop to find the one that works best (doesn't reuse an irq 
or get shared with some internal usb bit). If the computer used can take 
internal cards, it sounds like it can, add a new good USB port. It sounds 
like cost is important and that will limit you to USB AIs.

--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Fri Aug 26 20:12:08 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:12:08 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:35:42 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:
 
> There must be one that satisfies serious home (or small studio) uses.  I
> do not believe that all Linux audio users are clinging to their legacy,
> no-longer-sold M-Audio 1010 interfaces :)

Quite right...
I'm still clinging on to my audiophile 2496 :)

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 20:29:01 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:29:01 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
	<20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
Message-ID: <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:12:08 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:35:42 -0400
> "jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:
>  
> > There must be one that satisfies serious home (or small studio)
> > uses.  I do not believe that all Linux audio users are clinging to
> > their legacy, no-longer-sold M-Audio 1010 interfaces :)
> 
> Quite right...
> I'm still clinging on to my audiophile 2496 :)

Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT (if that
turns out to be the problem) ... and getting another one as backup.
Our youngest son has one also.  Maybe he's be interested in trading it
for one of those modern USB interfaces.







From termtech at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 20:41:24 2016
From: termtech at rogers.com (termtech)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:41:24 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
	RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla> <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910>
Message-ID: <2637655.QRNR9ol5mN@tim-aspire-m3910>

On Friday, August 26, 2016 1:13:49 PM EDT termtech wrote:
> On Friday, August 26, 2016 5:04:12 AM EDT jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> > Replacing the capacitors could be something to do.  Are they easy to
> > get ?  How many of these are on the card ?

...
> I suspect that if I open this PC's case and start touching the 1010 card
>  with my fingers...
...
>  Freeze spray is your best friend!
> Get a can of it, or use an upside down can of compressed air
...

> I may try it and report back...

Tested: 
Yeah, I thought so. No luck, no change in sound whatsoever.

You can try but really, don't bother with the caps, dude.
Remember my card works fine in other PCs.

Please wait several tens of minutes before rebooting,
 after freeze spraying to allow warm up, or after touching
 to allow static discharge. The card will likely lock up at 
 some point, so just wait...

Do try the CPU speed settings though, for your occasional 
 pops and clicks. It does help, on these and other PCs.

Also, I found there is usually a curious subtle effect when 
 some kind of CPU speed governing is enabled:
If you listen closely you can hear the 'tuning' of the sound
 wander around slightly as the CPU clocks are auto-adjusted.
I began to notice it when playing my KB.
It's definitely not a good thing, but funny that it adds a sort of
 'humanizing' feel to instruments!

If you record the noise, we can listen and give an opinion on 
 hardware vs. software causes.
A description of what is happening onscreen, or video would be better.
(I should post one too.)

T.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 26 20:50:27 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:50:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:29:01 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT

Is there any rational reason for replacing caps? What caps do you want
to replace for what reason? It's true that electrolytic capacitors dry
out and that the oxide coating gets reduces, if a device isn't used for
a long time. If it's used regularly, they could dry out, too, but not
that fast . Again, what makes you think that the issue is caused by
dry out capacitors? Why isn't it happening all the times, if the
capacitors are dried out? IMO there's no evidence that the capacitors
could be the cause for the trouble. And again, capacitors on the sound
card for what function? Replacing caps based on guessing, related on
half-truths?

Regards,
Ralf

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 21:51:25 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:51:25 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:50:27 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:29:01 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> >Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT
 
> Is there any rational reason for replacing caps? What caps do you want
> to replace for what reason? It's true that electrolytic capacitors dry
> out and that the oxide coating gets reduces, if a device isn't used
> for a long time. If it's used regularly, they could dry out, too, but
> not that fast . Again, what makes you think that the issue is caused
> by dry out capacitors? Why isn't it happening all the times, if the
> capacitors are dried out? IMO there's no evidence that the capacitors
> could be the cause for the trouble. And again, capacitors on the sound
> card for what function? Replacing caps based on guessing, related on
> half-truths?

It's all about 432Hz, the universal frequency.  That is THE truth.

Universe aside, as I've written "if it turns out to be the problem",
caps would not fail immediately.  There would be a transition time I
think.  Or then maybe not.  Got the idea manly from Tim here, although
I thought about it.

I still keep an eye on Bitwig.  Every time it happens Bitwig runs.
Might not be playing something at that time, but it runs.  I should do
a test and find something to do on Ardour/Mixbus only for the same
length of time, possibly without using any pulseaudio application at
all like firefox/Opera or vlc.  The latter would not be so easy as I'm
following lessons these days.

Fazit, there is still no conclusion.


From termtech at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 22:00:47 2016
From: termtech at rogers.com (termtech)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:00:47 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3014088.HGpP9icpiF@tim-aspire-m3910>

On Friday, August 26, 2016 10:50:27 PM EDT Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:29:01 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> >Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT
> 
> Is there any rational reason for replacing caps? What caps do you want
> to replace for what reason? It's true that electrolytic capacitors dry
> out and that the oxide coating gets reduces, if a device isn't used for
> a long time. If it's used regularly, they could dry out, too, but not
> that fast . Again, what makes you think that the issue is caused by
> dry out capacitors? Why isn't it happening all the times, if the
> capacitors are dried out? IMO there's no evidence that the capacitors
> could be the cause for the trouble. And again, capacitors on the sound
> card for what function? Replacing caps based on guessing, related on
> half-truths?
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

It was my suggestion ;-)
My later post advised against it, after some tests showed it
 likely isn't the caps at least on my card.

T.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 22:05:58 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:05:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160826180558.23804531@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:51:25 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> Universe aside, as I've written "if it turns out to be the problem",
> caps would not fail immediately.  There would be a transition time I
> think.  Or then maybe not.  Got the idea manly from Tim here, although
> I thought about it.

"mainly", that is :)  Sheesh.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 22:17:49 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:17:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <57C09B06.9050707@gmail.com>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
	<57C09B06.9050707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160826181749.32b33759@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:39:50 -0400
David Santamauro <david.santamauro at gmail.com> wrote:

> I cling ... to both my delta1010 as well as the audiophile 24/96 but
> I have to say neither is getting much use on the input side after my 
> purchase of the soundcraft 22MTK.

How is the work flow between the 22MTK and say, Ardour, or other audio
software ?  How do they interact ?

Cheers.


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Fri Aug 26 22:45:01 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 00:45:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:51:25 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:50:27 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Why isn't it happening all the times, if the capacitors are dried
>> out?
>There would be a transition time I think.

This could be possible.

If they are dried out, then capacitance got lost. If the the oxide
coating is broken, they short.

Assuming that there is dark scum on the PCB around the capacitor, resp.
on the rubber thingy on the bottom of the capacitor, then it's dried
out.

Assuming the top of the capacitor is bloated, then the capacitor is
broken, too.

If you can't see something, they could be broken, too. However, if you
can't see that they are broken, then take their function into account.

What is a capacitor used for, that could cause delayed trouble, if it's
broken, instead of causing the trouble all the times?

IIUC you hear the crackling only, if there is an audio signal, there's
no crackling, without an audio signal.

If the crackling happens, does show     top     something unusual?
Maybe     upowerd     or something else turns nasty?

What happens if you don't use two sound servers at the same time? Have
you tested Firefox using plain ALSA, while neither pulseaudio, nor
jackd are running?

Regards,
Ralf

From wrl at illest.net  Fri Aug 26 23:15:42 2016
From: wrl at illest.net (William Light)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 01:15:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Replacement for a 1010LT
In-Reply-To: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
References: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
Message-ID: <1472253342.3697071.707434337.05DD487C@webmail.messagingengine.com>



On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, at 11:23, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> What's there on the market nowadays that works very well in Linux ?
> 
> I use many in/out lines on the 1010LT.  I use 5 line outs, 4 line
> ins, 2 XLR ins.  I find it practical not having to re-connect things.
> Nice for recording. And also, not needing extra hardware to connect
> many lines to an interface limited in I/O is good.
> 
> The replacement audio card should have a good number of I/o lines, as
> well as XLR inputs.  
> 
> Just got recently an ART MPA II pre-amp which I'm slowly exploring.  So
> phantom power from an audio interface is not a criteria.

Unrelated, but consider replacing the tubes in that MPA. I swapped the
stock (unbranded) tubes in mine with a set of JJ 12AX7 and it improved
the sound markedly. Cheap upgrade, too: the JJ tubes ran me about ?12
apiece.

On the subject of the audio interfaces, I've been having an excellent
time with an RME Multiface + the HDSP PCI card. Can be had on ebay for a
couple hundred and well worth it. It's getting on there in years, but
it's aged wonderfully, and it has 8 channels of ADAT optical i/o if you
want to add more channels in the future (which I did).

-w

> Browsing the M-Audio site, the M-Track Eight rack mount USB unit might
> be something along those lines, although since I also have things
> connected to the 3 USB ports, I would tend to prefer one that does not
> use USB.  Also, it sounds like it comes with controlling software that
> could be not available on Linux, or available with limited
> capabilities.  Some for the Octane Preamp Technology M-Audio is
> boasting about that interface: not needed.  I'd prefer putting money
> into the interface itself.
> 
> The other offerings from M-Audio are those rather limited-looking
> interfaces with a big knob sitting on top.
> 
> I do not know of any other serious audio interfaces out there -
> suggestions and comments are welcomed !
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Fri Aug 26 23:46:53 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:46:53 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Replacement for a 1010LT
In-Reply-To: <1472253342.3697071.707434337.05DD487C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
 <1472253342.3697071.707434337.05DD487C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20160826194653.1ac6f3ef@mevla>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 01:15:42 +0200
William Light <wrl at illest.net> wrote:

> Unrelated, but consider replacing the tubes in that MPA. I swapped the
> stock (unbranded) tubes in mine with a set of JJ 12AX7 and it improved
> the sound markedly. Cheap upgrade, too: the JJ tubes ran me about ?12
> apiece.

Thanks. Will consider it.

Are the VU meters supposed to move ?  I mean, I use an AT2050, phantom
power switched on, everything else normal, and with an acoustic guitar,
although the sound is OK I find, the VU meters do not move. Much less
the 'tube' meters.  I can make them move if I sing gvery close to the
mic.  Also, with the 1010LT card I set the output (at the back) at
-10dBV.  I assume the jumpers ont he 10101LT are at the default
position.

> On the subject of the audio interfaces, I've been having an excellent
> time with an RME Multiface + the HDSP PCI card. Can be had on ebay
> for a couple hundred and well worth it. It's getting on there in
> years, but it's aged wonderfully, and it has 8 channels of ADAT
> optical i/o if you want to add more channels in the future (which I
> did).

Thanks, will read about it.

Cheers.


From termtech at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 23:59:59 2016
From: termtech at rogers.com (termtech)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:59:59 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
	RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <20160826212259.3a30022c@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261129120.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160826212259.3a30022c@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <98155026.WguYgojVP6@tim-aspire-m3910>

On Friday, August 26, 2016 9:22:59 PM EDT Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:39:56 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
> >On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, termtech wrote:
> >> I found some tools in Linux for handy speed settings
> >> such as a neat 'indicator-cpufreq' taskbar icon where
> >> you can adjust the throttling mechanisms.
> >> You get 'performance' 'on demand' 'power save' modes etc.
> >> as well as a dozen or so specific CPU frequencies to choose from.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work.
> >> No matter what I choose doesn't seem to affect anything.
> >
> >I have found that too, I use cpufreq-set and cpufreq-info instead.
> 
> When using command line, why using a tool at all?
> It's also possible to make launchers, when using the following direct
> access.
> 
> The wildcard /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu* might be required on some
> machines. I don't know. My scripts use a wildcard, while it's not
> necessary on my machine.
> 
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -Ggd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpuf*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 Aug 26 08:19 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq ->
> ../cpufreq/policy0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 Aug 26 20:54
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq -> ../cpufreq/policy0
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -Ggh /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
> total 0
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 affected_cpus
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 bios_limit
> -r-------- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_cur_freq
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_max_freq
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_min_freq
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 cpuinfo_transition_latency
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 related_cpus
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_available_frequencies
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_available_governors
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_cur_freq
> -r--r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_driver
> -rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:08 scaling_governor
> -rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_max_freq
> -rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_min_freq
> -rw-r--r-- 1 4.0K Aug 26 21:02 scaling_setspeed
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies 2100000
> 2000000 1800000 1000000
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors ondemand
> performance
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq 2100000
> 2100000
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor performance
> performance
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ echo ondemand|sudo tee
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor [sudo] password for
> rocketmouse:
> ondemand
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq 1000000
> 1000000
> [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor ondemand
> ondemand
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

Thanks!
I entered the commands and made sure it was on performance,
 but no luck. Same terrible noise.

I know it does help with some of the pops and clicks though.
Just not the digital noise.

I'll see how the new replacement MB works out. 
Hopefully it will remain stable. It worked fine in the shop...

T.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug 27 01:46:31 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:46:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160826214631.090855d9@mevla>

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:20:40 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> Suddenly the audio started crackling.  

Update.  I was listening for about an hour to youtube videos,
interviews eg. talks, using firefox and the audio was fine.  Previous
to that I listened for about an hour to tutorials using vlc and mp4
files, and used Mixbus 32C (ardour) to test some recording using the new
pre-amp. All in all, at least two hours with correct audio.

Then I started Bitwig, loaded a project and played the tracks.
Immediate crackle.  Within one minute I terminated Bitwig, started
firefox, went to a youtube video featuring only talks (so it is cleaner
to hear what's going on) and there was crackle in the audio.

As this shows so far, Bitwig contaminated the audio system.  Or it is a
coincidence ? I will see in the coming days.

Now, _if_ the problem is purely software based, no capacitors involved,
is there a way, short of a reboot, to reinitialize completely the audio
infrastructure ?  Like cleaning up every buffer, everything and
restart the audio subsystem as if a reboot has happened ?

What runs on this system is:

S<Ll  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog

Z<    [pulseaudio] <defunct>

S<Lsl /usr/bin/jackd -T -ndefault --sync -T -P95 -ndefault -dalsa
      -dhw:M1010LT -r44100 -p128 -n2

S     /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper

Yes, there is always a zombie pulseaudio process.  Killing -9 pulseaudio
is not easy, if possible at all, since it will always restart.

Is it possible to reinitialize the audio subsystem without rebooting ?
Not only this will be a faster work around, but it will also make
testing much easier.

Thanks.

From len at ovenwerks.net  Sat Aug 27 03:08:54 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:08:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:51:25 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:50:27 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> Why isn't it happening all the times, if the capacitors are dried
>>> out?
>> There would be a transition time I think.
>
> This could be possible.
>
> If they are dried out, then capacitance got lost. If the the oxide
> coating is broken, they short.
>
> What is a capacitor used for, that could cause delayed trouble, if it's
> broken, instead of causing the trouble all the times?
>
> IIUC you hear the crackling only, if there is an audio signal, there's
> no crackling, without an audio signal.

This page indicates that the power supply caps.... well the whole power 
supply, is less than adequate already. Loosing capacitance will affect the 
sound at higher sound levels and not so much low levels or xero levels.
http://www.jrigg.co.uk/elec/interface.html
look at the 6th paragraph. I am not suggesting going to the lengths seen 
here as it is obvious much more money was already spent just buying 3 of 
the delta1010s and other equipment than you wish to spend.

I do remember (from my TV days in the early 80s) watching the monitor CRTs 
get a growing moving "blob" that started as a small bump at the top right 
of the screen and over a few months would grow to a blob that covered the 
top portion of the screen. It was always moving... this was fixed in all 
cases by replacing the PS cap. These were electrolytic caps they do wear 
out sort of gracefully.


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From david.santamauro at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 03:28:12 2016
From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 23:28:12 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826181749.32b33759@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>	<57C09B06.9050707@gmail.com>
 <20160826181749.32b33759@mevla>
Message-ID: <57C108CC.1000106@gmail.com>



On 08/26/2016 06:17 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:39:50 -0400
> David Santamauro <david.santamauro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I cling ... to both my delta1010 as well as the audiophile 24/96 but
>> I have to say neither is getting much use on the input side after my
>> purchase of the soundcraft 22MTK.
>
> How is the work flow between the 22MTK and say, Ardour, or other audio
> software ?  How do they interact ?

Well, the 22MTK delivers 22 (23-24 are the stereo sum of the mix) inputs 
at a reliable and tolerable latency
  => -r48000 -p256 -n2 -Xseq -D -Chw:MTK -Phw:MTK

I use my m-audio gear now mainly as external instrument outputs for my 
software instruments (on a different computer) that are fed into the 
22MTK. The rest of the inputs are my guitars and basses. All are routed 
directly into ardour and recorded.

To be honest, the thing has been extremely reliable and I have 
absolutely no complaints--except that the USB inputs are post gain, 
pre-eq/fader ... but I've gotten used to it.

From len at ovenwerks.net  Sat Aug 27 03:50:43 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826214631.090855d9@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla> <20160826214631.090855d9@mevla>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608262013350.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> As this shows so far, Bitwig contaminated the audio system.  Or it is a
> coincidence ? I will see in the coming days.
>
> Now, _if_ the problem is purely software based, no capacitors involved,
> is there a way, short of a reboot, to reinitialize completely the audio
> infrastructure ?  Like cleaning up every buffer, everything and
> restart the audio subsystem as if a reboot has happened ?
>
> What runs on this system is:
>
> S<Ll  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
normal
>
> Z<    [pulseaudio] <defunct>
not normal Can you kill -9 that one by using the PID?
>
> S<Lsl /usr/bin/jackd -T -ndefault --sync -T -P95 -ndefault -dalsa
>      -dhw:M1010LT -r44100 -p128 -n2
I have always used 48k but that should not make a difference.

>
> S     /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper

I do not have this either, but that could something to do with the DE.

> Yes, there is always a zombie pulseaudio process.  Killing -9 pulseaudio
> is not easy, if possible at all, since it will always restart.
>

That sounds like there are two dbus running and two pulse. normally pulse 
is run across dbus which should ensure only one of them. Do you have two 
sessions open? (one with a dfferent user?)

try running these two commands while the noise is there:
pactl unload-module module-udev-detect
pactl unload-module module-alsa-card

Does that help? Note: to do this, all of your audio must be running from 
pulse through jack to the 1010.

I have found pulseaudio to be very stable provided pulse uses jack as it's 
only i/o device. If pulse sees both jack and another device (internal 
audio for example) I get xruns and other odd things. It seems that while 
pulse has no problem with two cards out of sync if it is connected 
directly, it does have a problem if one of those cards goes through 
pa-jack bridge. Do remember that the pa-jack bridge is mostly a hack that 
was originally done as an example and has not been polished. It is in 
any case very useful if these things are take into account.

In other words I use pulse only as a front end for jack... nothing more. 
If I want pulse to see some other AI, I start a zita-ajbridge to make that 
interface show on the jack graph and attach the pa bridge to that. 
Personally, I also run pactl unload-module module-jackdbus-detect to get 
rid of auto bridging and have a script that creates a named pa-jack bridge 
for each AI using lines like:
zita-a2j -j ${cname}-in -d hw:${cname} -r $RATE -p $ZFRAME -n $PERIOD &
zita-j2a -j ${cname}-out -d hw:${cname} -r $RATE -p $ZFRAME -n $PERIOD &
pactl load-module module-jack-sink client_name=PA-${cname} channels=2 connect=no
pactl load-module module-jack-source client_name=PA_${cname} channels=2 connect=no
jack_connect ${cname}-in:capture_1 PA_${cname}:front-left
jack_connect ${cname}-in:capture_2 PA_${cname}:front-right

So in pavucontrol I can see both a Jack sink (PA-M66) and a Jack sink 
(PA-PCH) and they are connected to the AI of the same name. jack_lsp -c 
shows:
PCH-in:capture_1
    PA_PCH:front-left
PCH-in:capture_2
    PA_PCH:front-right
PA-PCH:front-left
    PCH-out:playback_1
PA-PCH:front-right
    PCH-out:playback_2

for this device. (dupliactes removed) I have never had any trouble with 
pulse when doing this aside from skype (which my wife uses) which needs 
30ms or so latency to work. I suspect module-jack-sink/source could be 
fixed/hacked/polished so that desktop apps could run at a lower latency 
than jack is. (add buffering or whatever) The module-alsa-card module in 
PA obviously does something like this already to deal with more than one 
card and more than one application sending sound so it would be a matter 
of pulse treating jack as a one SR, One latency audio device.

Sorry for the long post...


> Is it possible to reinitialize the audio subsystem without rebooting ?
> Not only this will be a faster work around, but it will also make
> testing much easier.

remove the respawn from pa? then killing a pa will be permanent... sort 
of. sending any message to PA will restart it. for example running 
pavucontrol will restart PA. (if you are using KDE or other DE that 
replaces pavucontrol with something else, I would suggest installing 
pavucontrol as well. I find it easier to use that other things)


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From len at ovenwerks.net  Sat Aug 27 03:56:54 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608262013350.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla> <20160826214631.090855d9@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608262013350.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608262055490.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, Len Ovens wrote:

> for this device. (dupliactes removed) I have never had any trouble with pulse 
> when doing this aside from skype (which my wife uses) which needs 30ms or so 
> latency to work. I suspect module-jack-sink/source could be 
> fixed/hacked/polished so that desktop apps could run at a lower latency than
                                             should be higher ^^^^


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From wrl at illest.net  Sat Aug 27 04:11:22 2016
From: wrl at illest.net (William Light)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 06:11:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Replacement for a 1010LT
In-Reply-To: <20160826194653.1ac6f3ef@mevla>
References: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
 <1472253342.3697071.707434337.05DD487C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <20160826194653.1ac6f3ef@mevla>
Message-ID: <1472271082.3751403.707558889.709DE421@webmail.messagingengine.com>



On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, at 01:46, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 01:15:42 +0200
> William Light <wrl at illest.net> wrote:
> 
> > Unrelated, but consider replacing the tubes in that MPA. I swapped the
> > stock (unbranded) tubes in mine with a set of JJ 12AX7 and it improved
> > the sound markedly. Cheap upgrade, too: the JJ tubes ran me about ?12
> > apiece.
> 
> Thanks. Will consider it.
> 
> Are the VU meters supposed to move ?  I mean, I use an AT2050, phantom
> power switched on, everything else normal, and with an acoustic guitar,
> although the sound is OK I find, the VU meters do not move. Much less
> the 'tube' meters.  I can make them move if I sing gvery close to the
> mic.  Also, with the 1010LT card I set the output (at the back) at
> -10dBV.  I assume the jumpers ont he 10101LT are at the default
> position.

I run the tubes in high-voltage mode all the time and generally crank
the gain up until whatever I'm recording is just saturating. Even then,
the VU meters are so slow that I barely notice them unless I'm doing a
lot of really steady tones. For something like acoustic guitar, the
meters not moving sounds just about right.

Can always turn the gain up. ;)

-w

> > On the subject of the audio interfaces, I've been having an excellent
> > time with an RME Multiface + the HDSP PCI card. Can be had on ebay
> > for a couple hundred and well worth it. It's getting on there in
> > years, but it's aged wonderfully, and it has 8 channels of ADAT
> > optical i/o if you want to add more channels in the future (which I
> > did).
> 
> Thanks, will read about it.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 27 07:44:18 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:44:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:08:54 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:51:25 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:  
>>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:50:27 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote:  
>>>> Why isn't it happening all the times, if the capacitors are dried
>>>> out?  
>>> There would be a transition time I think.  
>>
>> This could be possible.
>>
>> If they are dried out, then capacitance got lost. If the the oxide
>> coating is broken, they short.
>>
>> What is a capacitor used for, that could cause delayed trouble, if
>> it's broken, instead of causing the trouble all the times?
>>
>> IIUC you hear the crackling only, if there is an audio signal,
>> there's no crackling, without an audio signal.  
>
>This page indicates that the power supply caps.... well the whole
>power supply, is less than adequate already.

Again guessing. This card is not an amplifier that requires a big
reliable power supply, neither it's comparable to a CRT, that has got a
high power consumption.

I do not own this card, so I ask questions to perhaps provide more than
just guessing. I didn't find a circuit layout, but already tried to
read on a photo what is printed on the large TO-220 package component.

I didn't find a photo where I could read what's printed on it, but
while searching such a photo, I found this

https://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/

So the two capacitors close to the large TO-220 package component are
reservoir capacitors. Note, my PCI Envy24 cards have a voltage
regulator were the delta seems to have one, too. At the further end of
the large TO-220 package component, there are two small capacitors and
something that looks like a miniature edition of a TO-220 package. On my
cards it's a 1117 voltage regulator.

However, assuming that the provided power by the computer's power
supply should be too fluctuating, to feat the stabilisation of the
delta, I would suspect more dramatic effects. If the stabilisation
should be the reason for the issue, then I would expect broken
capacitors on the audio card.

Regards,
Ralf

From traceyanne at sonic.net  Sat Aug 27 10:43:21 2016
From: traceyanne at sonic.net (Tracey)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 03:43:21 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160827034321.016bf8ee739dfb1f507d444e@sonic.net>

We were some of the first people to buy a delta 1010(the rack mounted thing).
This was just about the time alsa came out with a driver for the chipset.
And we were some of the first folks to have the power supply fail.

After taking the thing apart and figuring out the power supply,
it was obvious that the power supply was badly designed.

We had to replace a couple of caps that always ran quite hot,
leaving them no choice but to fail from drying out, etc.

Later we tore out the power supply in the rack part, and built our own.
I remember that it was a bit complicated( we had to add a multi-pole relay).
That was because of the way the main unit(rack thing) was powered up
from the computer.

We never had any problem with it after that.

We may have to buy a decent multi-channel usb sound card,
because of the lack of the pci bus on new motherboards.

I'm going to miss the delta 1010 when that happens;
maybe I'll put it in an old computer somewhere.

From riotsound at riotmusic.de  Sat Aug 27 11:07:28 2016
From: riotsound at riotmusic.de (Michael Jarosch)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:07:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827034321.016bf8ee739dfb1f507d444e@sonic.net>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160827034321.016bf8ee739dfb1f507d444e@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1472296048.4667.12.camel@riotmusic.de>

Am Samstag, den 27.08.2016, 03:43 -0700 schrieb Tracey:

> We may have to buy a decent multi-channel usb sound card,
> because of the lack of the pci bus on new motherboards.

There are still new mobos with chipsets that support PCI classic
(without bridging it over PCIe), but you have to take AMD-based ones. I
know, Intel offers more power, but you can at least use your old
hardware. I hope Zen will support classic PCI, too.

I want to use my RME PCI card (HDSP 9652) as long as I can, because I
haven't used anything safe like this, ever. Keep my fingers crossed
that I can upgrade my system for some more years...


Greets!
Mitsch

From ats at offog.org  Sat Aug 27 11:18:47 2016
From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:18:47 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ? Tim's TEST
	RESULTS:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261140280.2773@scott.cbbs.org> (Len Ovens's
 message of "Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla>
 <2453504.xVsFb3Z8B1@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826050412.085453a3@mevla>
 <12918412.toDxbs3tMC@tim-aspire-m3910> <20160826133836.124598aa@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261140280.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <y2aa8fyihns.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>

Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> writes:

> I have read (means do some more research) that the d1010 had the best
> (best out fo the delta stuff) ADCs the d66/d44 had one step down and
> the 1010LT are yet another step down.

There is an *astounding* amount of misinformation floating around about
this, given that it's easy to confirm just by looking at the card!

The Audiophile 2496 uses the AK4528VF:
http://www.muziker.sk/media/a501/image/file/2/0017/Ls7m.audiophile2496.jpg
http://html.alldatasheet.com/html-pdf/54952/AKM/AK4528VF/47/1/AK4528VF.html

The Delta 44, Delta 66 and Delta 1010LT all use the AK4524VF, on the card:
http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/m-audio-delta-44-354813.jpg
http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/m-audio-delta-66-52988.jpg
http://speex.sourceforge.net/misc/1010LT.jpg
http://html.alldatasheet.com/html-pdf/54950/AKM/AK4524VF/47/1/AK4524VF.html

The Delta 1010 uses the AK5383VS, in the rackmount box:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/geekslutz-forum/52177d1204691636-insides-delta-1010-pics-mod-delta-zoom.gif
http://html.alldatasheet.com/html-pdf/54967/AKM/AK5383VS/47/1/AK5383VS.html

-- 
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org>                         <http://offog.org/>

From ats at offog.org  Sat Aug 27 11:28:39 2016
From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:28:39 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain> (Ralf Mardorf's
 message of "Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:50:27 +0200")
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>

Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> writes:

>> Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT
> Is there any rational reason for replacing caps? What caps do you want
> to replace for what reason?

On my 1010LT, one of the filter caps was visibly leaking:
http://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/

That's a pretty rational reason for replacing them!

-- 
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org>                         <http://offog.org/>

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sat Aug 27 12:49:03 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:49:03 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
Message-ID: <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:28:39 +0100
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> wrote:

> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> writes:
> 
> >> Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT  
> > Is there any rational reason for replacing caps? What caps do you want
> > to replace for what reason?  
> 
> On my 1010LT, one of the filter caps was visibly leaking:
> http://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/
> 
> That's a pretty rational reason for replacing them!

I don't know if people are generally aware of this, but round about the turn of
the century, the market was flooded with cheap electrolytics from Taiwan that
were made with a defective electrolyte. Apparently these are *still* turning up
in new equipment and are extremely difficult to identify until they fail :(

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 27 13:20:05 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:20:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
 <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian>
Message-ID: <20160827152005.462dcf4a@archlinux.localdomain>

>On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:28:39 +0100Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> wrote:
>> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> writes:
>>   
>> >> Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT    
>> > Is there any rational reason for replacing caps? What caps do you
>> > want to replace for what reason?    
>> 
>> On my 1010LT, one of the filter caps was visibly leaking:
>> http://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/
>> 
>> That's a pretty rational reason for replacing them!

Hi, 

yes, that's why I explained how to notice broken caps, by either
leaking or if they are bloated. I only pointed out that if you can't
see dirt from leaking or a bloated top, then it's important to
understand what a cap is good for, before replacing it, without an idea
if it could be related to the described issue.

Btw. when searching for a circuit layout or at least a clear photo to
read what's printed on some components, I found the same link and posted
it.

If you follow the thread, there never was mentioned that the caps are
looking broken and even the described symptoms leave behind an
impression, that it likely could be a software issue. Running two
sound servers, while one sound server kept a zombie and runs by a
second instance, not clearly lead to borked caps. I also didn't notice
any comment what is shown by top, when the crackling appears.

So my recommendation still remains, as long as the caps are looking good
and the OP didn't run top and fixed the pulseaudio zombie issue,
replacing the capacitors just by guessing isn't a good idea.

Regards,
Ralf

From termtech at rogers.com  Sat Aug 27 15:10:12 2016
From: termtech at rogers.com (termtech)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:10:12 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
Message-ID: <1669529.Vd4xjl5fQ3@tim-aspire-m3910>

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:28:39 PM EDT Adam Sampson wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> writes:
> >> Looks more and more like replacing the caps on the 1010LT
> > 
> > Is there any rational reason for replacing caps? What caps do you want
> > to replace for what reason?
> 
> On my 1010LT, one of the filter caps was visibly leaking:
> http://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/
> 
> That's a pretty rational reason for replacing them!

Ha! Nice one!

Thank you kindly for the very relevant post!

Good choice for replacements. Panasonic.
Personally, I trust them /first/ above all others.

Yes, big or small, caps just dry up, and in this rather severe case
 leaked for this poster.

Believe it or not the smaller ones fail (dry up) just as often,
 if not more than, the larger ones. Being smaller they are
 more sensitive to change. You can't tell just by looking.

I first advised jonestu his caps may be bad, then advised against it
 since mine seemed OK. But /wow/ now that I see /that/ picture...
I guess jonestu might feel more motivated to try now, eh? He he...

I was a camcorder tech. In the late 80's early 90's most camcorders 
 were plastered with many surface mount electrolytics.
In particular the Sony CCD-F series had many. They /all/ went bad.
When I first started dealing with them, I tried only to fix the ones 
 that were causing problems. But the search kept leading
 to more and more... they were all bad, every one of them.
So eventually I offered our clients a service:
Replace /every/ capacitor (some had a hundred of them!) -
 a complete recapping - for about $300 - $400.
You should have seen the board damage from leaking.
Very ugly, messy, time consuming double-sided corroded
 copper track and through-hole repair!

T.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug 27 15:49:45 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:49:45 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <1669529.Vd4xjl5fQ3@tim-aspire-m3910>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
 <1669529.Vd4xjl5fQ3@tim-aspire-m3910>
Message-ID: <20160827114945.6e1beb22@mevla>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:10:12 -0400
termtech <termtech at rogers.com> wrote:

> I first advised jonestu his caps may be bad, then advised against it
>  since mine seemed OK. But /wow/ now that I see /that/ picture...
> I guess jonestu might feel more motivated to try now, eh? He he...

Before doing anything, and especially opening the box, I will try to
be certain as much as possible of the nature of the problem, in this
case by excluding software totally, which is still not yet done.  I
still have an eye on Bitwig, by coincidence, and that pulseaudio zombie
does not look good.  At least for MIDI devices Bitwig is doing things
different than Ardour which is, after all by Paul Davis who also made
jackd.  I would presume that the reference in using jackd comes from
Ardour.  Also, Bitwig 1.11 had major crash problems in playing audio
files from the sampler library and was replaced by 1.12 in a very short
time.

One more thing, I have demonstrated elsewhere on KVR that moving a
plug-in GUI from the same desktop where Bitwig runs to another desktop
will cause Bitwig to not play fully an audio clip in the Clip
Launcher.  Why would there be an interaction between the GUI/Desktop
and the capacity to fully play an audio clip ?  It might be that Some
Things are not that clear in Bitwig, and that could be understandable
if they wanted initially to quickly get to the market.

So, software is not yet entirely out of the picture.

One thing for sure though, it might be a Good Thing to have another
1010LT card.

Cheers.


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug 27 16:02:48 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:02:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
 <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian>
Message-ID: <20160827120248.047c4886@mevla>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:49:03 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> I don't know if people are generally aware of this, but round about
> the turn of the century, the market was flooded with cheap
> electrolytics from Taiwan that were made with a defective
> electrolyte. 

Found out about this when one of our more recent Viewsonic monitor
suddenly failed.  Which was surprising since mine, a VP211b, is in
service, always powered on even when the computer isn't, since 2006.
10 years without any problems.

The story behind this, told by a colleague, is that a Chinese company
has pirated only half of the plans to make capacitors.  Their recipe
left out the most important part.

This is so much of a known problem that capacitor kits are available on
Amazon (or Amasszone if we go by David McCandless' book "The Internet
Now In Handy Book Form") for specific monitors.

> Apparently these are *still* turning up in new equipment
> and are extremely difficult to identify until they fail :(

IMHO I don't think these faulty caps are still used today.  They were
quite precisely identified since then, I think the company went over,
and people do not want to use them in their products for obvious
reasons. 

Cheers.



From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug 27 16:04:31 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:04:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827120248.047c4886@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
 <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian> <20160827120248.047c4886@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160827120431.6c3b9e78@mevla>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:02:48 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> The story behind this, told by a colleague, is that a Chinese company
> has pirated only half of the plans to make capacitors.  Their recipe
> left out the most important part.

And naturally Wikipedia has something about it, The Capacitor Plague:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague




From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 27 17:53:54 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:53:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827120431.6c3b9e78@mevla>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
 <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian> <20160827120248.047c4886@mevla>
 <20160827120431.6c3b9e78@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160827195354.53b5dc02@archlinux.localdomain>

More or less all the repairing I had to do myself or in some cases
was done by a friend, within the last years, was replacing capacitors in
new switched-mode power supplies, that were running for around 1 to 3
years. They were simply undersized by voltage, they were neither bad
manufactured, nor did they dry out, they bloat and short. This wittingly
predetermined breaking point is a real plague. For example my Behringer
Eurorack UB2442FX-Pro suffered from this issue. It's not just some
no-name power supply, it's a Behringer designed power supply. ISO 9000
is fraud against customers and criminal against the environment, those
products that failed usually advertised their quality management. 30
years old conventional power supplies with good voltage size, but
aged leaking capacitors, that don't provide the original capacity
anymore usually don't cause any issues. We usually don't notice that
the capacitors for a lot of gear are already broken. Leaking isn't good,
it's better to replace those capacitors, but leaking capacitors not
that often cause noticeable issues, especially not the two kinds of
voltage stabilizing capacitors, either smoothing capacitors
(Gl?ttungskondensatoren) and bulk capacitors, decoupling capacitors or
what ever you name (St?tzkondensatoren) capacitors for stabilisation.
Yes, if they aren't good anymore, they could cause disastrous effects,
but I suspect they are broken for a long time without causing a
noticeable effect and if the effect becomes noticeable, than I suspect
that it's more or less always noticeable and not just by random.

YMMV!
Ralf

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 27 18:02:56 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:02:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827195354.53b5dc02@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <y2a60qmih7c.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
 <20160827134903.3c17996a@debian> <20160827120248.047c4886@mevla>
 <20160827120431.6c3b9e78@mevla>
 <20160827195354.53b5dc02@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160827200256.7a7febbe@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:53:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>More or less all the repairing I had to do myself or in some cases
>was done by a friend, within the last years, was replacing capacitors
>in new switched-mode power supplies, that were running for around 1 to
>3 years. They were simply undersized by voltage, they were neither bad
>manufactured, nor did they dry out, they bloat and short. This
>wittingly predetermined breaking point is a real plague. For example
>my Behringer Eurorack UB2442FX-Pro suffered from this issue. It's not
>just some no-name power supply, it's a Behringer designed power
>supply. ISO 9000 is fraud against customers and criminal against the
>environment, those products that failed usually advertised their
>quality management. 30 years old conventional power supplies with good
>voltage size, but aged leaking capacitors, that don't provide the
>original capacity anymore usually don't cause any issues. We usually
>don't notice that the capacitors for a lot of gear are already broken.
>Leaking isn't good, it's better to replace those capacitors, but
>leaking capacitors not that often cause noticeable issues, especially
>not the two kinds of voltage stabilizing capacitors, either smoothing
>capacitors (Gl?ttungskondensatoren) and bulk capacitors, decoupling
>capacitors or what ever you name (St?tzkondensatoren) capacitors for
>stabilisation. Yes, if they aren't good anymore, they could cause
>disastrous effects, but I suspect they are broken for a long time
>without causing a noticeable effect and if the effect becomes
>noticeable, than I suspect that it's more or less always noticeable
>and not just by random.
>
>YMMV!
>Ralf

PS: Not to mention that the more important bulk capacitors aren't
electrolytic ;).

From d_baron at 012.net.il  Sat Aug 27 18:30:05 2016
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:30:05 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <d673dbbc-d156-2822-e2ca-ea982878be1f@ladisch.de>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi> <11075794.F8DQQJPS4x@dovidhalevi>
 <d673dbbc-d156-2822-e2ca-ea982878be1f@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <1611456.cbQF10ZMhx@dovidhalevi>

On ??? ????, 26 ??????? 2016 12:58:51 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> David Baron wrote:
> > On ??? ????, 26 ??????? 2016 8:45:51 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> >> David Baron wrote:
> >>> $ cat /proc/asound/card0/audiopci
> >>> Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371
> >>> 
> >>> Joystick enable  : off
> >>> Joystick port    : 0x200
> >>> 
> >>> Need to set the enable to "on" or "true" somewhere.
> >> 
> >> Add the line
> >> 
> >>   options snd-ens1371 joystick_port=1
> >> 
> >> to some .conf file in there.
> > 
> > Should be joystick_enable?
> > What would port 1 be?
> 
> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Document
> ation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt
> 

OK, =1 means autodetect, so good.
lsmod show the gameport now with 2 usedby's but only 1, the snd-ens1371, is 
listed. So one more item needs be included. Modprobing joydev does not do it.

From clemens at ladisch.de  Sat Aug 27 18:34:22 2016
From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:34:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <1611456.cbQF10ZMhx@dovidhalevi>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi> <11075794.F8DQQJPS4x@dovidhalevi>
 <d673dbbc-d156-2822-e2ca-ea982878be1f@ladisch.de>
 <1611456.cbQF10ZMhx@dovidhalevi>
Message-ID: <d37c629a-33ed-8021-0704-843990c1c86f@ladisch.de>

David Baron wrote:
> OK, =1 means autodetect, so good.
> lsmod show the gameport now with 2 usedby's but only 1, the snd-ens1371, is
> listed. So one more item needs be included. Modprobing joydev does not do it.

Is it shown as enabled in /proc/asound/card0/audiopci?


Regards,
Clemens

From dbtx11 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 19:44:11 2016
From: dbtx11 at gmail.com (Rob Couto)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:44:11 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827034321.016bf8ee739dfb1f507d444e@sonic.net>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160827034321.016bf8ee739dfb1f507d444e@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CANgL0NtH9rY7xt9izCY3oZ=TFh5TR0Hc2u2=yD0imY-mf-nETw@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/27/16, Tracey <traceyanne at sonic.net> wrote:
> We may have to buy a decent multi-channel usb sound card,
> because of the lack of the pci bus on new motherboards.

It may not be needed after all :)

AFAIK all PCI slots are connected now to the PCI-E bus with a bridge
like the old PCI-ISA bridge and there's no way around it. Based on
former reading and experimenting with a desktop graphics card attached
to a laptop, I just searched for "external pci slot" and got exactly
what I wanted: The PCI-E to PCI bridge and a sort of riser card. That
means with the proper adapters or surgery, you could use a 1010 with a
notebook.

Just 1 lane of a PCI-E 1.0 bus is already faster than the entire
shared bandwidth of a classic PCI bus so it's certainly not a problem.
YMMV and would probably depend on the quality of that bridge IC. In
any case this seems to require yet more delightfully affordable
Chinese stuff and yet more testing.

-- 
Rob

From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Aug 27 19:56:18 2016
From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:56:18 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <f20f9e04-eb31-c234-3b07-18067b00bbec@ccrma.stanford.edu>

On 08/27/2016 12:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:08:54 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:51:25 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 22:50:27 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>>> Why isn't it happening all the times, if the capacitors are dried
>>>>> out?
>>>> There would be a transition time I think.
>>>
>>> This could be possible.
>>>
>>> If they are dried out, then capacitance got lost. If the the oxide
>>> coating is broken, they short.
>>>
>>> What is a capacitor used for, that could cause delayed trouble, if
>>> it's broken, instead of causing the trouble all the times?
>>>
>>> IIUC you hear the crackling only, if there is an audio signal,
>>> there's no crackling, without an audio signal.
>>
>> This page indicates that the power supply caps.... well the whole
>> power supply, is less than adequate already.
>
> Again guessing. This card is not an amplifier that requires a big
> reliable power supply, neither it's comparable to a CRT, that has got a
> high power consumption.
>
> I do not own this card,

Hi Ralf,

We do own several of these cards but don't use them anymore. The 1010 
card was the first magically affordable 8 channel solution for our 
needs. There was even a smaller box that could intercept the digital 
signals and provided digital multichannel connections. We still have 
them around lying in plastic bins (some were recycled). Such a shame.

For old timers in this list the power supply issue on the 1010 is well 
known. The voltage doubler (or quadrupler?, I forget) capacitors in the 
power supply blow up after a while due to bad design. The 5V rail is 
still there but the analog voltages go down or disappear, so the card 
still "works" but all audio is gone or badly distorted. Replacing the 
capacitors fixes everything (visual inspection can easily reveal if that 
is the problem).

-- Fernando



>so I ask questions to perhaps provide more than
> just guessing. I didn't find a circuit layout, but already tried to
> read on a photo what is printed on the large TO-220 package component.
>
> I didn't find a photo where I could read what's printed on it, but
> while searching such a photo, I found this
>
> https://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/
>
> So the two capacitors close to the large TO-220 package component are
> reservoir capacitors. Note, my PCI Envy24 cards have a voltage
> regulator were the delta seems to have one, too. At the further end of
> the large TO-220 package component, there are two small capacitors and
> something that looks like a miniature edition of a TO-220 package. On my
> cards it's a 1117 voltage regulator.
>
> However, assuming that the provided power by the computer's power
> supply should be too fluctuating, to feat the stabilisation of the
> delta, I would suspect more dramatic effects. If the stabilisation
> should be the reason for the issue, then I would expect broken
> capacitors on the audio card.


From dbtx11 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 19:58:29 2016
From: dbtx11 at gmail.com (Rob Couto)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:58:29 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <1472296048.4667.12.camel@riotmusic.de>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160827034321.016bf8ee739dfb1f507d444e@sonic.net>
 <1472296048.4667.12.camel@riotmusic.de>
Message-ID: <CANgL0NvQcgFeGFavGMEfKfM_HSekd7x=zCZPjVU1xrdm_sZPPg@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/27/16, Michael Jarosch <riotsound at riotmusic.de> wrote:
> There are still new mobos with chipsets that support PCI classic
> (without bridging it over PCIe), but you have to take AMD-based ones.

Whoa, I did not know that. (goes to find out if this one from ~2008 is
such a mobo)

-- 
Rob

From d_baron at 012.net.il  Sat Aug 27 20:01:44 2016
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 23:01:44 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport
In-Reply-To: <d37c629a-33ed-8021-0704-843990c1c86f@ladisch.de>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi> <1611456.cbQF10ZMhx@dovidhalevi>
 <d37c629a-33ed-8021-0704-843990c1c86f@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <1696068.bAIoymHDhU@dovidhalevi>

On ??? ???, 27 ??????? 2016 20:34:22 IDT Clemens Ladisch wrote:
> David Baron wrote:
> > OK, =1 means autodetect, so good.
> > lsmod show the gameport now with 2 usedby's but only 1, the snd-ens1371,
> > is
> > listed. So one more item needs be included. Modprobing joydev does not do
> > it.
> Is it shown as enabled in /proc/asound/card0/audiopci?
 
Yes, indeed!
~$ cat /proc/asound/card0/audiopci 
Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371

Joystick enable  : on
Joystick port    : 0x200


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug 27 21:47:42 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:47:42 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608262013350.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla> <20160826214631.090855d9@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608262013350.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <20160827174742.2c74de78@mevla>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:

Thanks for the comments.

I'm afraid the following are rather random notes at this point.

There is some progress in that now when there's a hint of crackle
happening it is possible to augment it a lot by enabling the audio
interface in Bitwig (icon at the top left corner).  No need to have any
project loaded.  As soon as the Activate Audio Engine icon is press, a
lot of crackles are heard.  As soon as the Audio Engine is
deactivated, the crackling almost disappear.  At the same tine Mixbus
32C is playing a project and the sound out of Mixbus has no crackle
whatsoever.  But vlc has, when the Audio Engine in Bitwig is enabled.

At this point Bitwig has already played a project for some time,
perhaps 30 minutes or so.  It seems that at some point the system gets
into a state that promotes the production of crackling sounds.  

As I write this there was no audio whatsoever being played.  Bitwig is
running, audio enabled, as well as Mixbus.  vlc is now launched and
there's no crackle at all.  At the present moment it has disappeared.
Bitwig then plays a project and why not, Mixbus also.  No crackling.

Looks like that state the audio system was in has now moved to
something else.

> That sounds like there are two dbus running and two pulse. normally
> pulse is run across dbus which should ensure only one of them. Do you
> have two sessions open? (one with a dfferent user?)

No, only one user.  OTOH, it seems there's some kind of dbus fiesta
there, with no less than 5 /bin/dbus-daemon processes running.  I do
not know dbus, although it seems that instances are run depending of
applications connecting to it.  Having 5 might just make sense.  See
below for a list.

> try running these two commands while the noise is there:
> pactl unload-module module-udev-detect
> pactl unload-module module-alsa-card

I ran them, as well as the other one for jackbus, and that did not have
any effect. Running them again shows that the modules were effectively
unloaded as they now give error msgs attempting to unload them again.

> In other words I use pulse only as a front end for jack... nothing
> more. If I want pulse to see some other AI, I start a zita-ajbridge
> to make that interface show on the jack graph and attach the pa
> bridge to that. 

First time I hear about zita.  What is it about ?

> So in pavucontrol I can see both a Jack sink (PA-M66) and a Jack sink 
> (PA-PCH) and they are connected to the AI of the same name. jack_lsp
> -c shows:
> PCH-in:capture_1
>     PA_PCH:front-left
> PCH-in:capture_2
>     PA_PCH:front-right
> PA-PCH:front-left
>     PCH-out:playback_1
> PA-PCH:front-right
>     PCH-out:playback_2

Here also Jack Sink is shown running the same command, as well as many
other inputs/outputs.

I have to try again to remove the autospawn in pa's config file,  Last
attempt did not yield good results, I have to confirm this.

To sum up this pass in broad lines:

1) Bitwig audio enable can provoke a plethora of crackling once the
audio system as reached an unknown state in which these can happen in
both Bitwig and vlc.

2) The problem kind of mysteriously went away without having to reboot,
while writing this reply.

3) During that time the output from Mixbus 32C remained clean.

4) The pactl unload commands were run immediately when the crackling
started to manifest itself.  That did not stop the crackles but the
modules remained unloaded for the rest of the time, up to now.

Thanks again for the comments - much appreciated.

Cheers.


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sat Aug 27 22:06:05 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:06:05 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Replacement for a 1010LT
In-Reply-To: <1472271082.3751403.707558889.709DE421@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <20160826052304.6ff9a8bc@mevla>
 <1472253342.3697071.707434337.05DD487C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <20160826194653.1ac6f3ef@mevla>
 <1472271082.3751403.707558889.709DE421@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20160827180605.668b8a25@mevla>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 06:11:22 +0200
William Light <wrl at illest.net> wrote:

> I run the tubes in high-voltage mode all the time and generally crank
> the gain up until whatever I'm recording is just saturating. Even
> then, the VU meters are so slow that I barely notice them unless I'm
> doing a lot of really steady tones. For something like acoustic
> guitar, the meters not moving sounds just about right.

Just tried it with the acoustic bass guitar. The sound is very nice,
and with only using one AT2050 in cardiod mode at that.  I will try the
mid/side thing eventually.

Still wonder what the purpose of the VU meters is.  The owner's manual
mentions:

"Use the analog meter to view the operating level by depressing the
switch under the center of the analog meter."

But there's no such switch.

Replacing the tubes is not a priority for now although thanks for
mentioning it, will try it later.

> Can always turn the gain up. ;)

The colours that can be extracted from instruments is amazing.

Cheers.

From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Aug 27 22:51:03 2016
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:51:03 -1000
Subject: [LAU] new Vintage Fuzz Master Plugin (LV2)
In-Reply-To: <bebf2a95-3a97-e3f0-c2f4-ef0b6c68757f@web.de>
References: <bebf2a95-3a97-e3f0-c2f4-ef0b6c68757f@web.de>
Message-ID: <fa9f2f27-6511-9e08-9c5e-7052f988020f@hawaii.rr.com>

On 08/25/2016 05:58 AM, Hermann Meyer wrote:
> Yet a other one off the mini series from GUI-less LV2 plugs,
> This time, a analogue simulation of the Vintage Fuzz Master (Devi Ever)
> This one comes with a bass/bright switch and is a bit modified to
> produce less Volume then the original pedal.
> With "Intensity" down, it will blow up the low end, but by turn it up,
> it produce the well known and loved octave up artefacts.
>
> https://github.com/brummer10/GxVintageFuzzMaster.lv2
>
>
>>All we wanna do is have some fuzz

Ah, gotta figure out how to make this work. My favorite old guitar 
sound: Les Paul + a fuzz box. :) Unfortunately, still don't have a Les 
Paul. Stupid budget! :(

-- 
David W. Jones
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com

From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 27 23:20:57 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 01:20:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <f20f9e04-eb31-c234-3b07-18067b00bbec@ccrma.stanford.edu>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <f20f9e04-eb31-c234-3b07-18067b00bbec@ccrma.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20160828012057.3691e81e@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:56:18 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>We do own several of these cards but don't use them anymore. The 1010 
>card was the first magically affordable 8 channel solution for our 
>needs. There was even a smaller box that could intercept the digital 
>signals and provided digital multichannel connections. We still have 
>them around lying in plastic bins (some were recycled). Such a shame.
>
>For old timers in this list the power supply issue on the 1010 is well 
>known. The voltage doubler (or quadrupler?, I forget) capacitors in
>the power supply blow up after a while due to bad design. The 5V rail
>is still there but the analog voltages go down or disappear, so the
>card still "works" but all audio is gone or badly distorted. Replacing
>the capacitors fixes everything (visual inspection can easily reveal
>if that is the problem).

Hi Fernando,

IIUC there are different 1010 models out there and some are using
external power supplies and those power supplies seem to be be very
cheap.

Regarding this
http://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/fixed_size1600.jpg picture
and some reading this card, the "LT" model, has got no external power
supply. It gets the power from the PCI slot. In front of the picture,
on the left side and on the right side, there seem to be voltage
regulators and a few caps that belong to the circuits around the voltage
regulators. My TerryTec EWX 24/96 don't have something on the left
side, IOW not such a TO-220 package thingy and no big caps, but on the
right side the TerraTecs look similar to the Delta. Two small
electrolytic capacitors and behind them is a 1117 voltage regulator on
the TerraTecs Envy24 cards. The power comes from the PC's power supply.

I don't know how easy it is for the OP to replace the caps. It could
be possible to replace caps using a 25 W ERSA soldering iron without
risking to damage vertical interconnect accesses, but sometimes
removing the old caps even doesn't work with a Weller desolder station.
Once a friend needed to desolder caps for me at work, using hot air. I
couldn't remove them using my soldering iron and we couldn't do it
using his desolder station.

If the OP could simply replace the caps, then it doesn't harm to
replace them, even if they are still ok, but as soon as it should be
hard to remove the caps and there should be no visible leaking or
bloat, it's better not to risk it, before it isn't ruled out, that it is
not a software issue.

I don't claim that the caps are ok, they could be borked, but a
zombified sound server related process is good enough for reasonable
doubts. Sure, we could suffer from cooties and fleas at the same time.

2 Cents,
Ralf

From len at ovenwerks.net  Sat Aug 27 23:35:55 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Crackles in audio - how to troubleshoot ?
In-Reply-To: <20160827174742.2c74de78@mevla>
References: <20160825152040.06e43d40@mevla> <20160826214631.090855d9@mevla>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608262013350.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827174742.2c74de78@mevla>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608271555320.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

>> That sounds like there are two dbus running and two pulse. normally
>> pulse is run across dbus which should ensure only one of them. Do you
>> have two sessions open? (one with a dfferent user?)
>
> No, only one user.  OTOH, it seems there's some kind of dbus fiesta
> there, with no less than 5 /bin/dbus-daemon processes running.  I do
> not know dbus, although it seems that instances are run depending of
> applications connecting to it.  Having 5 might just make sense.  See
> below for a list.

dbus passes it's pid (or is it some other number) so that things like 
session or system can run different instanses of dbus. In my experiments 
with audio in a cli only system using VTs or screen. I found when using 
VTs I have to start a dbus version and capture it's PID from the 
environment in that instance and then add that to each of the VTs I was 
using. I was then able to run jackdbus on one VT and pulseaudio on another 
and have module-jackdbusdetect find jackdbus. I could use jack_control 
from yet another VT to talk to jackdbus and make changes (different 
device, buffersize or whatever). With screen I found I could just get dbus 
to start screen and all bash instances inside that would see the same 
dbus.

dbus is interesting, it passes messages from one application to another, 
but, it also will try to start the process the message is being sent to if 
it is not yet running. So my guess is that some application is trying to 
talk to pulseaudio on a second dbus instance and so pulse starts and can't 
get the audio device(s) because another PA already has then (your session) 
and so it trys to signal the Audio port hold to give it up and fails that 
too... it fails and because of the respawn ends up stuck (defunct).

So it sounds like your session may be started in a wrong manner, perhaps 
something that worked with an older version dbus, but does not any more. 
It seems to me at one time running dbus twice was quite common using each 
one to get a different value to pass to the environment. These days dbus 
starts the session passing both values to the environment on it's own.

> First time I hear about zita.  What is it about ?

You may have heard of alsa-in and alsa-out that comes with jack? This is a 
better version of the same thing... uses less cpu and still has a much 
better sound quality. (Thank you Fons)
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-ajbridge-doc/quickguide.html

Jackd1 now include this code so far as I know. (I use jackd2 cause it 
comes in the distro  :P  )

> 1) Bitwig audio enable can provoke a plethora of crackling once the
> audio system as reached an unknown state in which these can happen in
> both Bitwig and vlc.

First asumption: you have more than one audio interface (1010 and internal 
audio)
second asunption: bitwig grabs both and keeps them open.
third asumption: bitwig bases its sync on the first AI it can find 
(internal) and refills it's buffers based on that.

If you can disable the internal audio does this problem go away? If you 
can't disable in bios, maybe unload the right kernel module will have the 
same effect. having two AIs open in the same application with no resample 
will very much make noise. Also you should try running at 48000sample/sec, 
just to see if that makes any difference. I once had an internal AI where 
one of the devices (A mic as happens) was 48K only and it caused crackles 
when PA was set to 44100 (the default) because the internal AI "said" that 
was ok. A good MB should not have this... I seen enough wierd stuff I 
don't count much out.


--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sat Aug 27 23:43:07 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 01:43:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160828012057.3691e81e@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <f20f9e04-eb31-c234-3b07-18067b00bbec@ccrma.stanford.edu>
 <20160828012057.3691e81e@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160828014307.22ac2e91@archlinux.localdomain>

>On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:56:18 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>>The voltage doubler (or quadrupler?, I forget) capacitors in the
>>power supply blow up after a while due to bad design.

PS: Is a voltage doubler or quadrupler on the 1010LT? From where does it
get the alternating voltage? ;)

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sun Aug 28 01:09:26 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 02:09:26 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160828014307.22ac2e91@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <f20f9e04-eb31-c234-3b07-18067b00bbec@ccrma.stanford.edu>
 <20160828012057.3691e81e@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160828014307.22ac2e91@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160828020926.22614721@debian>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 01:43:07 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> >On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:56:18 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:  
> >>The voltage doubler (or quadrupler?, I forget) capacitors in the
> >>power supply blow up after a while due to bad design.  
> 
> PS: Is a voltage doubler or quadrupler on the 1010LT? From where does it
> get the alternating voltage? ;)

You probably don't want to know! I've seen some pretty nasty ways of doing
this - 40106s with their outputs wired in parallel 3s as a push-pull
oscillator was of the better ones :(

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sun Aug 28 02:36:56 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 22:36:56 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [music] jam35 : electronic space folk
Message-ID: <20160827223656.4e95f3be@mevla>

This piece is built around an acoustic guitar improvisation laid over
a drum riff.  Various sounds swishes around amongst phaser cymbals
while a lead ethnic synth of future tribal times tells a story of not
so quiet times floating over a loose and dirty bass.

Enjoy.

https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam35


From brummer- at web.de  Sun Aug 28 03:52:15 2016
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 05:52:15 +0200
Subject: [LAU] new Vintage Fuzz Master Plugin (LV2)
In-Reply-To: <fa9f2f27-6511-9e08-9c5e-7052f988020f@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <bebf2a95-3a97-e3f0-c2f4-ef0b6c68757f@web.de>
 <fa9f2f27-6511-9e08-9c5e-7052f988020f@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <edc8cd75-fa4f-c730-1e7b-0d584c822bcf@web.de>



Am 28.08.2016 um 00:51 schrieb david:
> On 08/25/2016 05:58 AM, Hermann Meyer wrote:
>> Yet a other one off the mini series from GUI-less LV2 plugs,
>> This time, a analogue simulation of the Vintage Fuzz Master (Devi Ever)
>> This one comes with a bass/bright switch and is a bit modified to
>> produce less Volume then the original pedal.
>> With "Intensity" down, it will blow up the low end, but by turn it up,
>> it produce the well known and loved octave up artefacts.
>>
>> https://github.com/brummer10/GxVintageFuzzMaster.lv2
>>
>>
>>> All we wanna do is have some fuzz
>
> Ah, gotta figure out how to make this work.
>

Nothing fancy needed, just run make && make install to be done.



From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sun Aug 28 04:28:03 2016
From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:28:03 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160828012057.3691e81e@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160826153542.72d82d1b@mevla> <20160826211208.296f8f70@debian>
 <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <f20f9e04-eb31-c234-3b07-18067b00bbec@ccrma.stanford.edu>
 <20160828012057.3691e81e@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <c67cc2d4-3289-9847-0989-42487253570f@ccrma.stanford.edu>

On 08/27/2016 04:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:56:18 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>> We do own several of these cards but don't use them anymore. The 1010
>> card was the first magically affordable 8 channel solution for our
>> needs. There was even a smaller box that could intercept the digital
>> signals and provided digital multichannel connections. We still have
>> them around lying in plastic bins (some were recycled). Such a shame.
>>
>> For old timers in this list the power supply issue on the 1010 is well
>> known. The voltage doubler (or quadrupler?, I forget) capacitors in
>> the power supply blow up after a while due to bad design. The 5V rail
>> is still there but the analog voltages go down or disappear, so the
>> card still "works" but all audio is gone or badly distorted. Replacing
>> the capacitors fixes everything (visual inspection can easily reveal
>> if that is the problem).
>
> Hi Fernando,
>
> IIUC there are different 1010 models out there and some are using
> external power supplies and those power supplies seem to be be very
> cheap.

I commented on the plain 1010, that has an external "brick" power 
supply, a pci card and a rack mounted D/A A/D unit - that is where the 
bad capacitors usual are.

I have never used a 1010lt so I know nothing about it... sorry...
-- Fernando


> Regarding this
> http://offog.org/notes/delta-1010lt-repair/fixed_size1600.jpg picture
> and some reading this card, the "LT" model, has got no external power
...


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Sun Aug 28 08:32:45 2016
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:32:45 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <d37c629a-33ed-8021-0704-843990c1c86f@ladisch.de>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi> <1611456.cbQF10ZMhx@dovidhalevi>
 <d37c629a-33ed-8021-0704-843990c1c86f@ladisch.de>
Message-ID: <2147852.vibM7sWCYW@dovidhalevi>

Necessary "analog"
Maybe optional "sidewinder"

Both will show up on lsmod | grep gameport.


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Aug 28 10:34:30 2016
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:34:30 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Other crackles
Message-ID: <20160828103430.GA144099@linuxaudio.org>

Hello all,

The thread on 'crackles in audio' reminded me of a similar problem
which upset me for some years now.

I normally run Jack all the time, and for apps that don't support it
there's an ~/.asoundrc like this:


pcm.!default {
    type plug
    slave { pcm "jack" }
}

pcm.jack {
    type jack
    playback_ports {
       0 zita-mu1:in_2.L
       1 zita-mu1:in_2.R
    }
    capture_ports {
        0 system:capture_1
        1 system:capture_2
    }
}

If you don't know what zita-mu1 is, see here:
<http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-mu1-doc/quickguide.html>

The only use case for this is viewing youtube videos with either
Chromium or Firefox, which will use ALSA's default device. 

This works ok but after some time I get 'crackles'. It sounds
like a buffer wraparound. Repositioning or stopping/restarting
the video usually solves the problem, but it will come back
after some time.

I see no reason why things shouldn't 'just work'. And I've been
wondering: is this a long-standing problem with ALSA's Jack
plugin, or are the browsers doing something wrong ? In either
case, is there a solution (not involving PA or loop devices) ?

Ciao,


-- 
FA
 

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Aug 28 11:01:45 2016
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:01:45 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Audio interface for newbies ?
In-Reply-To: <20160828020926.22614721@debian>
References: <20160826162901.4ed8b528@mevla>
 <20160826225027.4b479217@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160826175125.184ee99a@mevla>
 <20160827004501.2465bfd7@archlinux.localdomain>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608261954270.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160827094418.27f1356d@archlinux.localdomain>
 <f20f9e04-eb31-c234-3b07-18067b00bbec@ccrma.stanford.edu>
 <20160828012057.3691e81e@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160828014307.22ac2e91@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160828020926.22614721@debian>
Message-ID: <20160828110145.GB144099@linuxaudio.org>

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 02:09:26AM +0100, Will Godfrey wrote:

> > PS: Is a voltage doubler or quadrupler on the 1010LT? From where does it
> > get the alternating voltage? ;)
> 
> You probably don't want to know! I've seen some pretty nasty ways of doing
> this - 40106s with their outputs wired in parallel 3s as a push-pull
> oscillator was of the better ones :(

A 555 timer is another classic solution.

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From len at ovenwerks.net  Sun Aug 28 14:18:24 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 07:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Other crackles
In-Reply-To: <20160828103430.GA144099@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20160828103430.GA144099@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608280711090.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

> If you don't know what zita-mu1 is, see here:
> <http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-mu1-doc/quickguide.html>
>
> The only use case for this is viewing youtube videos with either
> Chromium or Firefox, which will use ALSA's default device.
>
> This works ok but after some time I get 'crackles'. It sounds
> like a buffer wraparound. Repositioning or stopping/restarting
> the video usually solves the problem, but it will come back
> after some time.

I personally use pulse as a front end for jack (unloading all pulse's alsa 
and alsa detection modules) because my wife uses skype. But the MU1 still 
looks useful. No crackles here, but not sure what the difference is.

> I see no reason why things shouldn't 'just work'. And I've been
> wondering: is this a long-standing problem with ALSA's Jack
> plugin, or are the browsers doing something wrong ? In either
> case, is there a solution (not involving PA or loop devices) ?

How about firefox with jack? I know the work is done and the jack works 
and can be had in self built versions now. It should show up in a release 
soon.

--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From fons at linuxaudio.org  Sun Aug 28 14:56:59 2016
From: fons at linuxaudio.org (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:56:59 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Other crackles
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608280711090.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
References: <20160828103430.GA144099@linuxaudio.org>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608280711090.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
Message-ID: <20160828145659.GC144099@linuxaudio.org>

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 07:18:24AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> 
> >I see no reason why things shouldn't 'just work'. And I've been
> >wondering: is this a long-standing problem with ALSA's Jack
> >plugin, or are the browsers doing something wrong ? In either
> >case, is there a solution (not involving PA or loop devices) ?
> 
> How about firefox with jack? I know the work is done and the jack
> works and can be had in self built versions now. It should show up
> in a release soon.

I kown, and I'm looking forward to this being available in Arch.
But it won't solve my problem at work where the proxy refuses
firefox and I have to use Chromium.

But I'm wondering what exactly goes wrong here.  

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sun Aug 28 15:02:52 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:02:52 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Other crackles
In-Reply-To: <20160828145659.GC144099@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20160828103430.GA144099@linuxaudio.org>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608280711090.2773@scott.cbbs.org>
 <20160828145659.GC144099@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <20160828110252.02417328@mevla>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:56:59 +0000
Fons Adriaensen <fons at linuxaudio.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 07:18:24AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > 
> > >I see no reason why things shouldn't 'just work'. And I've been
> > >wondering: is this a long-standing problem with ALSA's Jack
> > >plugin, or are the browsers doing something wrong ? In either
> > >case, is there a solution (not involving PA or loop devices) ?
> > 
> > How about firefox with jack? I know the work is done and the jack
> > works and can be had in self built versions now. It should show up
> > in a release soon.
> 
> I kown, and I'm looking forward to this being available in Arch.
> But it won't solve my problem at work where the proxy refuses
> firefox and I have to use Chromium.
> 
> But I'm wondering what exactly goes wrong here.  

... In dealing with a Bluecoat proxy, firefox on Linux, configured to
autodetect, can show a dialog box for auth.  This will not work.
Pressing 'cancel' the same box will then re-appear already filled with
the right auth information (from a previous try) which then will work.
This is what I do daily.

Oh, you meant, with the crackling ? :)





From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Sun Aug 28 17:27:51 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:27:51 +0100
Subject: [LAU] pulseaudio (again)
Message-ID: <20160828182751.79a4dbed@debian>

In a moment of stupidity I managed to trash the install on one of my machines.
There was no practical way to undo the damage (this is debian testing) so I did
a fresh install from scratch - I must say the debian install discs have improved
a lot!

Anyway the first time I tried to do any audio work I got Xruns all over the
place on stuff that had been rock-solid previously. However, a quick look at
htop revealed that pulseaudio was running three threads right in the middle of
the jack stuff. Deleting just the 'pulseaudio' server cured the problem, and
nothing else seems to complain.

The icing on the cake is that various programs that like to make annoying beeps
and bongs are now quite silent :)

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jeremy at autostatic.com  Sun Aug 28 17:48:05 2016
From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:48:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Other crackles
In-Reply-To: <20160828103430.GA144099@linuxaudio.org>
References: <20160828103430.GA144099@linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <648fccf9-0925-338d-7306-abc38abfb331@autostatic.com>

> I see no reason why things shouldn't 'just work'. And I've been
> wondering: is this a long-standing problem with ALSA's Jack
> plugin, or are the browsers doing something wrong ?

As far as I know the ALSA Jack plugin has issues:
http://jackaudio.org/faq/routing_alsa.html#using-the-alsa-jack-pcm-plugin
It also introduces some extra latency because of an extra buffer, maybe
you're running into issues there?

Jeremy

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From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sun Aug 28 17:51:44 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:51:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] pulseaudio (again)
In-Reply-To: <20160828182751.79a4dbed@debian>
References: <20160828182751.79a4dbed@debian>
Message-ID: <20160828135144.5bd40679@mevla>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:27:51 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> In a moment of stupidity I managed to trash the install on one of my
> machines. There was no practical way to undo the damage (this is
> debian testing) so I did a fresh install from scratch - I must say
> the debian install discs have improved a lot!

Do they include ping nowadays ?  Or do they still find it takes too
much place and is absolutely not needed ? :)

> Anyway the first time I tried to do any audio work I got Xruns all
> over the place on stuff that had been rock-solid previously. However,
> a quick look at htop revealed that pulseaudio was running three
> threads right in the middle of the jack stuff. Deleting just the
> 'pulseaudio' server cured the problem, and nothing else seems to
> complain.

First time I hear about htop.  Just compiled it and installed it.
I'll use that for the next 'crackling session'.  Did you use the F5
'Tree' option ? - any other interesting options to aid in
troubleshooting ?
 
> The icing on the cake is that various programs that like to make
> annoying beeps and bongs are now quite silent :)

It's amazing how this is still going on.  It should be very clear
that the hollywoodian sci-fi paradigm of having beeps and
blops going one with electronic instruments does not make any sense.
It will turn anyone mad to spend 1 year in space with that noise
going on for the most of the time.  Software makers still think it's a
good thing to have a beep along warning and error messages.  There are
rare cases of practical use, as when receiving emails, and that's
a maybe.




From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Aug 28 18:03:11 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:03:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pulseaudio (again)
In-Reply-To: <20160828182751.79a4dbed@debian>
References: <20160828182751.79a4dbed@debian>
Message-ID: <20160828200311.17d5c295@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:27:51 +0100, Will Godfrey wrote:
>The icing on the cake is that various programs that like to make
>annoying beeps and bongs are now quite silent :)

Some apps open windows and warn you, if they can't excess the sound
card. Try to burn a data DVD with k3b, without giving it access to a
soundcard. On my machine some programs are allowed to use the bell (PC
speaker beep), e.g. terminal emulations, apart from this only audio
related software, synth, hard disk recording etc. are allowed to use
the sound card.

In the future we need to get used to whacky computer signal tones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJcgelw2F4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBvaOLDem0
http://www.mediacollege.com/downloads/sound-effects/star-trek/tos/




From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Sun Aug 28 18:14:32 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:14:32 -0400
Subject: [LAU] pulseaudio (again)
In-Reply-To: <20160828200311.17d5c295@archlinux.localdomain>
References: <20160828182751.79a4dbed@debian>
 <20160828200311.17d5c295@archlinux.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160828141432.735b4f68@mevla>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:03:11 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> In the future we need to get used to whacky computer signal tones.
 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJcgelw2F4

And a full 10 hours of it at that.

Imagine a full 2 years.  Give them nuclear weapons and phasers and the
planet they will find is toast.  That is, if they don't kill
themselves going there.

Mind you, the 8 hours of the sleeping quarters is not much
more re-assuring.




From ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net  Sun Aug 28 18:43:37 2016
From: ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:43:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pulseaudio (again)
In-Reply-To: <20160828141432.735b4f68@mevla>
References: <20160828182751.79a4dbed@debian>
 <20160828200311.17d5c295@archlinux.localdomain>
 <20160828141432.735b4f68@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160828204337.032f179b@archlinux.localdomain>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:14:32 -0400, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
>Imagine a full 2 years.  Give them nuclear weapons and phasers and the
>planet they will find is toast.  That is, if they don't kill
>themselves going there.

:D

OTOH people also need to learn to live with a tinnitus without running
berserk. For some cultures din is normal. I know a lot of Gypsies,
they like loud noise, music played by a mobile phone as loud as
possible, at the same time a television set is turned on, as loud as
possible, while nobody is watching television and things like this.

The perfect spaceman perhaps is a Gypsy with tinnitus.

Since around a week I need to take antihypertensives, a loud very high
tinnitus is a side-effect. I most likely will lay earth in ashes next
week ;).

-- 
[rocketmouse at archlinux tmp]$ cat script.sh 
#!/bin/bash

function bee_beep
{
  printf "\n\aBee-"; sleep 0.15; printf "\abeep! \n"; sleep 0.5
  printf "\aBee-"; sleep 0.15; printf "\abeep! \n"; sleep 0.5
  printf "\aBeep! \n"
}

bee_beep
sleep 0.65
bee_beep
echo

exit
[rocketmouse at archlinux tmp]$ ./script.sh 

Bee-beep! 
Bee-beep! 
Beep! 

Bee-beep! 
Bee-beep! 
Beep!

From nova at deviator.si  Mon Aug 29 01:07:03 2016
From: nova at deviator.si (Luka =?UTF-8?B?UHJpbsSNacSN?= / Nova deViator)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 03:07:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Music Made With Linux - Nova deViator: Turns Me On EP & VIDEO
Message-ID: <20160829030703.46de5e74d3deb9c77ed08bc6@deviator.si>


hi everyone!

i've released an EP (a single with 3 remixes) called "Turns Me On". 

music was done in Renoise with Ardour for vocals.

video was made with a custom Processing sketch connected to Renoise and
later slightly edited with Kdenlive.

see the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLQLSg5zzF8

download EP for free (CC, name-your-price) via
http://kamizdat.si/releases/turns-me-on/

you can support more free music like that by leaving a tip via Bandcamp
or by becoming my patron http://patreon.com/novadeviator

enjoy the music and let me know what you think!


l.
--
Luka Prin?i? / Nova deViator // + 386-40-66-77-98 / http://deviator.si /
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
http://novadeviator.bandcamp.com | http://patreon.com/novadeviator 
http://wndv.si | http://kamizdat.si | http://emanat.si 







From riotsound at riotmusic.de  Mon Aug 29 01:19:25 2016
From: riotsound at riotmusic.de (Michael Jarosch)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 03:19:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Music Made With Linux - Nova deViator: Turns Me On EP &
 VIDEO
In-Reply-To: <20160829030703.46de5e74d3deb9c77ed08bc6@deviator.si>
References: <20160829030703.46de5e74d3deb9c77ed08bc6@deviator.si>
Message-ID: <1472433565.4034.32.camel@riotmusic.de>

Am Montag, den 29.08.2016, 03:07 +0200 schrieb Luka Prin?i? / Nova
deViator:

> i've released an EP (a single with 3 remixes) called "Turns Me On".?
> 
> music was done in Renoise with Ardour for vocals.

Great!

All synths from Renoise? Or is there any other synth involved?

Greets!
Mitsch

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Mon Aug 29 21:55:33 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:55:33 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Lexicon MX200 edit software
Message-ID: <20160829175533.57f13802@mevla>

Hello,

Anyone using a Lexicon MX200 with the MX Edit software interface ?  

Cheers.


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Mon Aug 29 21:59:05 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:59:05 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Lexicon MX200 edit software
In-Reply-To: <20160829175533.57f13802@mevla>
References: <20160829175533.57f13802@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160829175905.76c03cee@mevla>

On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:55:33 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> Anyone using a Lexicon MX200 with the MX Edit software interface ?  

... or using it with the VST plugin.


From info at bandshed.net  Mon Aug 29 23:52:05 2016
From: info at bandshed.net (Glen MacArthur)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:52:05 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Lexicon MX200 edit software
In-Reply-To: <20160829175905.76c03cee@mevla>
References: <20160829175533.57f13802@mevla> <20160829175905.76c03cee@mevla>
Message-ID: <9fdac62e96ac756f2e09cc3f627d6547.squirrel@webmail.dreamhost.com>

Hi,

I built it a couple of years ago but only used it once to confirm it
worked as my MX200 is always packed away in a road case, to my knowledge
the VST Plugin doesn't work with the usual Linux/Wine VST hacks, perhaps
with newer hosts like Carla or Airwave the results may be different.

Sorry that's all I can tell you..


jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:55:33 -0400
> "jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone using a Lexicon MX200 with the MX Edit software interface ?
>
> ... or using it with the VST plugin.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



From d_baron at 012.net.il  Tue Aug 30 06:54:12 2016
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:54:12 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Ens1371 Gameport (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <2147852.vibM7sWCYW@dovidhalevi>
References: <4663164.oL8z4xjrke@dovidhalevi>
 <d37c629a-33ed-8021-0704-843990c1c86f@ladisch.de>
 <2147852.vibM7sWCYW@dovidhalevi>
Message-ID: <2876885.HY3m5zUyaE@dovidhalevi>

On ??? ?????, 28 ??????? 2016 11:32:45 IDT David Baron wrote:
> Necessary "analog"
> Maybe optional "sidewinder"
> 
> Both will show up on lsmod | grep gameport.

Yes, the joystick works. The Xorg driver works.
However, none of the buttons work.


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Aug 30 10:46:24 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:46:24 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Planctus Novus
Message-ID: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/planctus-novus

A lamenting song, without words, in homage to a Troubadour poetic form 
known as a planh (Latin: planctus).

Once again, nothing special going on here, just an original melody and 
harmonization (hopefully enjoyable), something to keep me busy.

Downloads enabled, comments welcome.

Best,

dp


From david.santamauro at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 10:58:23 2016
From: david.santamauro at gmail.com (David Santamauro)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:58:23 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Planctus Novus
In-Reply-To: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com>
References: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <57C566CF.7080308@gmail.com>

On 08/30/2016 06:46 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/planctus-novus
>
> A lamenting song, without words, in homage to a Troubadour poetic form
> known as a planh (Latin: planctus).
>
> Once again, nothing special going on here, just an original melody and
> harmonization (hopefully enjoyable), something to keep me busy.
>
> Downloads enabled, comments welcome.

Very nice ... but a few quick observations:
   - cantus is lost (muddied) during harmonization(s)
   - pedal point in second harmonization didn't always "work", although 
that is my objective perspective
   - coda was contemplative and enjoyable.

I thoroughly enjoyed the harmonizations: wonderful fusion of period and 
modern styles.

thanks for sharing.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Tue Aug 30 14:51:23 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:51:23 -0400
Subject: [LAU] MIDI clock output and the 1010LT
Message-ID: <20160830105123.6f1d6629@mevla>

Hello all,

Is the MIDI clock signal output on the 1010LT simply happening when
using Ardour ?  I mean, does it always output something based on the
DAW's BPM ?  Eg.  Ardour would transparently set this ?

Cheers.

From len at ovenwerks.net  Tue Aug 30 16:13:31 2016
From: len at ovenwerks.net (Len Ovens)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] MIDI clock output and the 1010LT
In-Reply-To: <20160830105123.6f1d6629@mevla>
References: <20160830105123.6f1d6629@mevla>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1608300852030.2773@scott.cbbs.org>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:

> Is the MIDI clock signal output on the 1010LT simply happening when
> using Ardour ?  I mean, does it always output something based on the
> DAW's BPM ?  Eg.  Ardour would transparently set this ?

It depends... Assuming linux (this being LAU) there are three 
posibilities:
jackd1
jackd2 with a2jmidid
alsa

I can only speak from experience with jackd2+a2jmidi.
First there are settings to turn midi clock or midi tc on in preferences. 
When I moved to Ardour5 I started with a clean ~/.config/ardour5/ 
directory not bringing in any settings from Ardour4. And these are turned 
off by default (I didn't turn them off).
Second, when I do turn them on, no connections show up.
Third, What midi autoconnection I have dealt with when adding midi 
channels has not been correct. I have been using a controller (mackie 
style) and the midi channels just go through all midi inputs it can find 
and uses them sequencially.
So the first channel gets Midi Through (bad),
the second gets Ensoniq AudioPCI (good),
The third gets the surface midi (bad)
Ardour does not know which midi ports to use for what. All of the above 
ports are marked Terminal|Hardware so Ardour assumes they are valid midi 
sources for midi tracks.

However, once things are connected as they should be, those connections 
are remembered for next session load as well as new sessions (except for 
the channel connections unless you use a template)

--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Wed Aug 31 01:36:22 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:36:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [music] How foolish - jam12
Message-ID: <20160830213622.39ee58cb@mevla>

Greetings,

This is as much as a live take can be.  No mixing, no making things
prettier, no artistic afterthoughts (which are nice on their own).

This is raw from Bitwig, imported into NMixbis32C without further ado.
Get your dose of carotene form here.

Enjoy.  Possibly loud.

https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam12

I'm also adding graphics to the songs in SC, taken from camping trips.

Cheers.




From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Wed Aug 31 03:11:47 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 23:11:47 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Discovery Pro synth
Message-ID: <20160830231147.6ffff807@mevla>

There are very nice synths in Linux, such as the u-he synths.

And then there's electric guitar with full distortion. There is
something that transforms itself as you play it.  That rips it.
Discovery Pro.

From silvain at freeshell.de  Wed Aug 31 04:29:30 2016
From: silvain at freeshell.de (Ffanci Silvain)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 06:29:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Planctus Novus
In-Reply-To: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com>
References: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1608310625150.16135@freeshell.de>

Dave Phillips, Aug 30 2016:
...
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/planctus-novus
Thank you for sharing this sweet, serene song. Is that a tron flute? Beautiful music.

I also took the time to listen to your whole collection on Soundcloud. It's an interesting and eclectic choice. I especially enjoyed the collage-esque and soundtrack-like pieces.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain

From brummer- at web.de  Wed Aug 31 05:13:42 2016
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:13:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] new SuperFuzz LV2 plugin
Message-ID: <78939ecf-31cc-5969-f76f-8b882f3920ab@web.de>

Hi

I've made a analogue Simulation of the Unifox SuperFuzz pedal, get it here:

https://github.com/brummer10/GxSuperFuzz.lv2


If you are happen to be a owner of this pedal, or a clone of it (more 
likely, eh :-) ), please help me to find the right trim spot for the 
differential amplifier part, and check out this version:

https://github.com/brummer10/GxSuperFuzzTrim.lv2

adjust the trim to best fit your pedal's sound, and let me know the 
value you found and which clone you've.


regards

hermann


From gianfranco at portalmod.com.br  Wed Aug 31 05:29:55 2016
From: gianfranco at portalmod.com.br (Gianfranco Ceccolini)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:29:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] new SuperFuzz LV2 plugin
In-Reply-To: <78939ecf-31cc-5969-f76f-8b882f3920ab@web.de>
References: <78939ecf-31cc-5969-f76f-8b882f3920ab@web.de>
Message-ID: <0C565F2D-DA19-4515-B74A-F3D651DEEB30@portalmod.com.br>

I can't thank you enough for all the effort with these stomp models Hermann

They keep getting better and better

Congrats!!!

Gianfranco


> On 31 Aug 2016, at 07:13, Hermann Meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I've made a analogue Simulation of the Unifox SuperFuzz pedal, get it here:
> 
> https://github.com/brummer10/GxSuperFuzz.lv2
> 
> 
> If you are happen to be a owner of this pedal, or a clone of it (more likely, eh :-) ), please help me to find the right trim spot for the differential amplifier part, and check out this version:
> 
> https://github.com/brummer10/GxSuperFuzzTrim.lv2
> 
> adjust the trim to best fit your pedal's sound, and let me know the value you found and which clone you've.
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> hermann
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Wed Aug 31 11:45:43 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:45:43 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [music] How foolish - jam12
In-Reply-To: <20160830213622.39ee58cb@mevla>
References: <20160830213622.39ee58cb@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160831074543.4cd5c049@mevla>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:36:22 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> This is raw from Bitwig, imported into NMixbis32C without further ado.
> Get your dose of carotene form here.

.. and an hefty dose of spelling errors. And that was no Coors
light ! :)
 
> Enjoy.  Possibly loud.
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam12

From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Wed Aug 31 13:49:11 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:49:11 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Planctus Novus
In-Reply-To: <57C566CF.7080308@gmail.com>
References: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com> <57C566CF.7080308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57C6E057.2050301@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

On 08/30/2016 06:58 AM, David Santamauro wrote:
> On 08/30/2016 06:46 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>
>> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/planctus-novus
>>
>> A lamenting song, without words, in homage to a Troubadour poetic form
>> known as a planh (Latin: planctus).
>>
>> Once again, nothing special going on here, just an original melody and
>> harmonization (hopefully enjoyable), something to keep me busy.
>>
>> Downloads enabled, comments welcome.
>
> Very nice ... but a few quick observations:
>   - cantus is lost (muddied) during harmonization(s)
>   - pedal point in second harmonization didn't always "work", although 
> that is my objective perspective
>   - coda was contemplative and enjoyable.

Thanks for the comments, David, they are appreciated. I agree with your 
first point, the melody is obscured too much by the harmony, I'll 
balance it out better and post an improved version asap. OTOH, I like 
the pedal as it is, at least I haven't got tired of it yet. :)

>
> I thoroughly enjoyed the harmonizations: wonderful fusion of period 
> and modern styles.
>

I work on my harmony chops constantly. I was born and raised on rock & 
roll, never considered any complex harmony until I started listening to 
jazz and classical music. My ears have improved over time, but I'm still 
working on my aural recognition/prediction skills.


> thanks for sharing.

My pleasure, many thanks for the critique.

Best,

dp


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Wed Aug 31 14:17:09 2016
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:17:09 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Planctus Novus
In-Reply-To: <1608310625150.16135@freeshell.de>
References: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com> <1608310625150.16135@freeshell.de>
Message-ID: <57C6E6E5.6080100@woh.rr.com>

Hi Ffanci,

On 08/31/2016 12:29 AM, Ffanci Silvain wrote:
> Dave Phillips, Aug 30 2016:
> ...
>> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/planctus-novus
> Thank you for sharing this sweet, serene song. Is that a tron flute? 
> Beautiful music.
>

The melody is first played by a preset called Lost Tapes, made by Howard 
Scarr for the u-he Bazille synthesizer.

> I also took the time to listen to your whole collection on Soundcloud. 
> It's an interesting and eclectic choice. I especially enjoyed the 
> collage-esque and soundtrack-like pieces.
>
>

Wow, that's a lot of listening, thank you very much for taking the time. 
Yes, musically I'm a mixed bag. My roots are in rock and blues, but 
eventually I broadened my interests to include jazz and classical, the 
modern as well as the traditional forms. It all gets reflected in my 
music. :)

Best regards,

dp


From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Wed Aug 31 14:57:49 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:57:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Discovery Pro synth
In-Reply-To: <20160830231147.6ffff807@mevla>
References: <20160830231147.6ffff807@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160831105749.0019b263@mevla>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 23:11:47 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> There are very nice synths in Linux, such as the u-he synths.
> 
> And then there's electric guitar with full distortion. There is
> something that transforms itself as you play it.  That rips it.
> Discovery Pro.

"Available at your favorite ripping store."

Beer-induced histrionics aside, it's a little marvel to have largely no
hardware components apart from DACs that can actually generate this kind
of distortion in which the player feels much that the sounds lives
depending on how the keyboard is played, velocity, sustain.  That it is
possible to have the sounds go overboard in a distorted way by pushing
on the keys.  

Many synths have beautiful intricate sounds.  Sounds that are beautiful
sounding in their complexity and nuances.  Sounds that are so rich in
evocation that they seem to tell a story just by themselves.  Sound
patches that when heard, one feels that should be added to their sonic
arsenal.

And then there are sounds that one could almost dismiss as being too
bland, too flat or too rough.  Especially when compared with the
above.  It comes to be though that these simpler sounds merges much
more with existing tracks, adding bite and presence without wanting to
take over the mix.

And that's a difficulty I found when using beautifully complex sounds:
in order to appreciate their intricate nature, other elements in the
mix must be toned down.  Their presence can barely be half
demonstrated.  If so, the listener will feel that not everything is
shown as the subdued parts are lurking in the mix.

Each type has their uses, of course.  And it cannot really be all full
of presence and bold in a mix.  There must be supportive parts that
spotlights what the attention should be drawn to.

A few thoughts about synth sounds.  Just to modulate the
'ripping-store-advert' above.  

Disclaimer: I have no stake in DiscoDSP.  Nor in Coors Light :)

Cheers.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Wed Aug 31 15:29:39 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:29:39 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Planctus Novus
In-Reply-To: <57C6E6E5.6080100@woh.rr.com>
References: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com> <1608310625150.16135@freeshell.de>
 <57C6E6E5.6080100@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20160831112939.4ebb4e2e@mevla>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:17:09 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> The melody is first played by a preset called Lost Tapes, made by
> Howard Scarr for the u-he Bazille synthesizer.

A guy that lists Gong's "Camembert ?lectrique" and "Angels Egg" as
his favorite CDs got to have something ... good or bad :)

Gong "Camembert ?lectrique"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8c-Nl_r9Zs

Gong "Angels Egg"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0AhjPHGbLU

R.I.P Gilli Smyth (August 22nd 2016) And Daevid Allen (March 15 2015).








From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Wed Aug 31 20:22:08 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:22:08 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [Music] Planctus Novus
In-Reply-To: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com>
References: <57C56400.5070205@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20160831212208.6783e5bb@debian>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:46:24 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/planctus-novus
> 
> A lamenting song, without words, in homage to a Troubadour poetic form 
> known as a planh (Latin: planctus).
> 
> Once again, nothing special going on here, just an original melody and 
> harmonization (hopefully enjoyable), something to keep me busy.
> 
> Downloads enabled, comments welcome.
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 
Enjoyed this, and could follow the melody through the later harmonies without
any difficulty, so 50/50 as to whether they should have been lower on not.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From willgodfrey at musically.me.uk  Wed Aug 31 20:25:38 2016
From: willgodfrey at musically.me.uk (Will Godfrey)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:25:38 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [music] How foolish - jam12
In-Reply-To: <20160830213622.39ee58cb@mevla>
References: <20160830213622.39ee58cb@mevla>
Message-ID: <20160831212538.1d744386@debian>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:36:22 -0400
"jonetsu at teksavvy.com" <jonetsu at teksavvy.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> This is as much as a live take can be.  No mixing, no making things
> prettier, no artistic afterthoughts (which are nice on their own).
> 
> This is raw from Bitwig, imported into NMixbis32C without further ado.
> Get your dose of carotene form here.
> 
> Enjoy.  Possibly loud.
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam12
> 
> I'm also adding graphics to the songs in SC, taken from camping trips.
> 
> Cheers.

A very nicely performed smoothie :)

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

From jonetsu at teksavvy.com  Wed Aug 31 20:39:26 2016
From: jonetsu at teksavvy.com (jonetsu at teksavvy.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:39:26 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [music] How foolish - jam12
In-Reply-To: <20160831212538.1d744386@debian>
References: <20160830213622.39ee58cb@mevla>
	<20160831212538.1d744386@debian>
Message-ID: <20160831163926.43a87f6e@mevla>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:25:38 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk> wrote:

> > https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam12

> A very nicely performed smoothie :)

Thanks.  One of these days I'll mix it properly.  Even redo it if it
gets really serious.  I have so many of these, it's a 'problem'.  I'm
taking very interesting mixing courses now, so hopefully I will be able
to have a foundation that could enable me to actually 'finish' things
and move forward.

Cheers.