On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:35 , Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com> sent:

>On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 12:47 -0700, eviltwin69@cableone.net wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:34 , Lee Revell rlrevell@joe-job.com> sent:
>> 
>> >On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 10:46 +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
>> >> That is the point, I absolutely dont feel reading up on something
>> >> is necessarily a bad thing.  My hair stand up if I watch
>> >> a typical no-clue windows user more or less randomly hitting
>> >> buttons in the interface until "something" works.  I do feel this
>> >> "it has to work out of the box without me having to know anything
>> >> about it" attitude is childish.
>> >> 
>> >
>> >I disagree violently with this line of reasoning.  Software should
>> >ALWAYS work the way the user expects it to unless there is a DAMN GOOD
>> >REASON, for example if you are offering a much more powerful interface
>> >than the user is used to.
>> >
>> >For example, most apps (Firefox and IE) use "Ctrl-F" to 'Find in page'.
>> >Except Evolution, which forces you to use "Ctrl-S" to 'Find (Search) in
>> >page', because they have already bound Ctrl-F to 'Forward message'.
>> 
>> 
>>     Ah, but Ctrl-S has been search in all versions of Emacs for the last couple
>> of decades.  I think that predates IE and Firefox.  They must not have felt like
>> doing it in the normal way ;-)  And you don't need to point out that Emacs isn't
>> a browser since Evolution isn't one either.
>> 
>
>Correct, but I'm talking about the modern UNIX GUI desktop, the one that
>we expect to be intuitive to Mac and Windows users.  You know, KDE or
>Gnome, Firefox, OpenOffice, Evolution or kmail.  The type of stuff that
>will meet the needs of 99% of computer users (yes we all know we are in
>the other 1%).  For better or for worse, Emacs is not a part of that.
>

    Actually, Xemacs has been a part of that since before Firefox/IE.

Jan