Ivica just for the record I know some of that stuff was already on Linuxaudio.org;)<br><br>Ok not certain if this should remain on the LAU list or not at this point, I will keep posting to it but if people want me to respond off list as this gets more into web design I suppose I will do so.<br>
<br>Also keep in mind that even though I may make suggestions I also realise that others may disagree and have every right to, and just because I suggest these things doesn't mean that I think it is wrong if they don't do it... if that makes sense.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu">ico@vt.edu</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">See <a href="http://portal.linuxaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://portal.linuxaudio.org</a></span></font></p>
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1. A centralized basic information about all applications (wiki already
in existance, good start)<font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></span></font></p>
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</div><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><a href="http://apps.linuxaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://apps.linuxaudio.org</a>
has all apps that have been a part of Dave's website. They can be also
sorted according to jack/ladspa/whatever support and entries are open to
community contributions. There were a number of people here very vocal how they
would not contribute to a wiki that was password protected. Well, it hasn been open
access since its introduction little over a year ago, yet we had little or no
contributions since. It would be nice if we would be as determined about our
contributions as we are about our preferences, no?</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Oh I completely agree don't get me wrong. I am a lazy SOB sometimes trust me and I only have so much excuse for not contributing myself at this point;) At least I can say I don't *think* I was one of the ones mentioned above. But yes the <a href="http://apps.linuxaudio.org">apps.linuxaudio.org</a> is exactly what I was thinking of at that point, and this is a perfect example of consolidating efforts is important.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2. A centralized repository of general linux audio information(ie
What is realtime, why/when should you use it, FAQs etc.)<font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></span></font></p>
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(yes, it could be much better, volunteers are always welcome)</span></font></p><div class="Ih2E3d">
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes, but think much more general information at times. That has general information about one topic in particular, and the information contained within is fairly advanced compared to what people coming in looking for basic information would be looking for. The examples I used were just that, examples;) Basic information on Jack, what it does, ALSA, etc. would all be part of the information I think would be part of this along with lots of other things I can't think of off the top of my head;)<br>
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3. A centralized place to go for announcements from all projects at
once...<font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></span></font></p>
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</div><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><a href="http://lists.linuxaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.linuxaudio.org</a>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> Yea.. your news/main page is a bit closer to what I was thinking of to be honest. Half newcomers to linux might not even know what a mailing list is.<br>
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<a href="http://forum.linuxaudio.org" target="_blank">forum.linuxaudio.org</a></span></font></p><div class="Ih2E3d">
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>As I mentioned I don't think this is a bad idea.<br>
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- This would likely entail using a RSS feeds for all members of the linuxaudio
consortium, and subscribing to those feeds to be displayed on the news
page. I am sure there is a better way, but this is what sticks out to me
at the moment, filtering of the announcements might be necessary. I
suppose another option would be to utilize the linux-audio-announce mailing
list instead so as to have a natural filter preventing things like general
informational posts.<font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></span></font></p>
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</div><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Linuxaudio.org main page has RSS feeds.</span></font></p><div class="Ih2E3d">
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4. I am not against a centralized forum either, however I think app specific
forums and websites are still a good thing, which leads to the next point
couple of points...<br>
5. Tight integration between all of the above. On the wiki we have links
to the forums for those peices of software, or from the FAQ/Info sections links
to the forums, or from the Forums to the wikis, with the news announcements a
link to the wiki for the software the announcement is about, etc.<font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></span></font></p>
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</div><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">This is in progress but again, most of the
work you've seen so far has been the fruit of maybe half-dozen people
including myself.</span></font></p><div class="Ih2E3d">
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Don't get me wrong, I am certainly not complaining that things are going to slow or anything of that nature, just making random suggestions based on my personal observations. <br>
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6. A single login for linuxaudio... And I don't just mean <a href="http://linuxaudio.org" target="_blank">linuxaudio.org</a>, but all member projects if
possible. This is the one most difficult to implement, and probably most
contreversial, but would allay some of the problems that Dave and others have,
which is having to sign up for hundreds of forums with logins to remember
etc. Having one place to go for that would be great. This could tie
into the centralized forums, by having direct links to each of the projects
individual forums, if applicable, and auto-login. OpenID is making good
strides in this area, but as I mentioned I do expect this to be the most
contreversial of my suggestions I suppose, along with still being the most
difficult to implement.<font color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"></span></font></span></font></p>
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</div><p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">See above. Some users complain about
having to log in so we left it open for the sake of greatest possible target
audience.<br>
</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Yes but I think you took this a bit different than I intended. While it could apply to the wiki, I was thinking about applying to the forum if/when it gets implemented as well as if at all possible being able to use the linuxaudio login on other sites like Ardour's forum, or something of that nature. It would require agreement from all webmasters as well as a vast amount of trust, which is why I was mentioning it as being the most contreversial I think.<br>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Best wishes,</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>Same to you;)<br><br> Seablade<br>