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Don't overlook the pushbuttons on each of the rack-mount unit's inputs that may be cutting about 10dB.<br><br>Martin<br><br>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:22:24 -0600<br>> From: ectropic.harmony@gmail.com<br>> To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org<br>> Subject: Re: [LAU] Questions on New Recording Gear<br>> <br>> I haven't had a chance to test the entire set-up of multiple<br>> connections just yet (see message below for what I'm thinking about<br>> trying, I don't know if it'll work) but I have managed to get a basic<br>> recording going with mics into mixer into delta interface into<br>> computer.<br>> <br>> One issue right now -<br>> <br>> Levels.<br>> <br>> Really low levels.<br>> <br>> I've adjusted the levels on the mixer, in the envy24 control, and in<br>> Ardour... and it's like I have to max things out just to get a decent<br>> volume.<br>> <br>> What's the trick getting rock solid levels during recording and<br>> playback both without having to max things out? :-\<br>> <br>> Thanks!<br>> <br>> -"E.H."<br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Ectropic Harmony<br>> <ectropic.harmony@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > Okay, I'd like to try this arrangement with the<br>> > cables/patch-bays/etc., though I currently need monitor speakers and<br>> > am just using headphones-<br>> ><br>> > From sources to mixer:<br>> > 1. 4 XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4<br>> > 2. 1 Line In (from guitar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5<br>> > 3. 1 Line In (from another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6<br>> > 4. 2 Line Ins (from "Master Out" (L&R) of elec.drumset) into Mackie strip "9-10"<br>> > (Also hooking elec.drumset's MIDI up to the Delta 1010 dig.rec.system)<br>> > (Also hooking up USB/MIDI keyboard/controller to computer)<br>> ><br>> > From mixer to digital recording system:<br>> > 5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie Direct Outs 1-4) into Delta inputs 1-4<br>> > 6. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 5) into Delta input 5<br>> > 7. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 6) into Delta input 6<br>> > 8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Sub Outs 1-2, with "1-2" enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8<br>> ><br>> > From digital recording system to mixer:<br>> > 9. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 1-2) into Mackie strip "13-14", with "L/R" enabled<br>> > 10. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 3-4) into Mackie strip "15-16", with "L/R" enabled<br>> > 11. 1 TRS (from Delta out 5) into Mackie strip 7, with "L/R" enabled<br>> > 12. 1 TRS (from Delta out 6) into Mackie strip 8, with "L/R" enabled<br>> > 13. 2 TRSs (from Delta outs 7-8) into Mackie strip "11-12", with "L/R" enabled<br>> ><br>> > From mixer to PA:<br>> > 14. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Main Outs L&R) into PA channels 1 & 2<br>> ><br>> > From PA to speakers:<br>> > 15. 2 TRSs (from the 2 PA Outs) into 2 monitor speakers<br>> ><br>> > I don't know... would that set-up work?<br>> ><br>> > My hunch is using the PA is overkill in a home recording situation,<br>> > though perhaps appropriate in a live setting. It has 4 channels, so<br>> > that opens up an additional 2 free channels for 1 more stereo source.<br>> > Right?<br>> ><br>> > Well, that's my attempt at using every single strip on the mixer. ;) I<br>> > hope I didn't totally mutilate the patching order.<br>> ><br>> > Here's my attempt at a more immediate set-up for home recording and<br>> > monitoring via headphones:<br>> ><br>> > From sources to mixer:<br>> > 1. 4 XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4<br>> > 2. 1 Line In (from guitar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5<br>> > 3. 1 Line In (from another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6<br>> > 4. 2 Line Ins (from "Master Out" (L&R) of elec.drumset) into Mackie strip "9-10"<br>> > (Also hooking up elec.drumset's MIDI to the Delta 1010 dig.rec.system)<br>> > (Also hooking up USB/MIDI keyboard/controller to computer)<br>> ><br>> > From mixer to digital recording system:<br>> > 5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie Direct Outs 1-4) into Delta inputs 1-4<br>> > 6. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 5) into Delta input 5<br>> > 7. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 6) into Delta input 6<br>> > 8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Sub Outs 1-2, with "1-2" enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8<br>> ><br>> > From digital recording system to mixer:<br>> > 9. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 1-2) into Mackie strip "15-16", with "L/R" enabled<br>> > (Using the Delta Outs 1-2 as Main Mix)<br>> ><br>> > From mixer to headphones:<br>> > 10. Enable "Main Mix 'Source'" on Mackie & adjust phones volume w/<br>> > phones in phones port "A" on the Mackie<br>> ><br>> > I do plan on getting monitor speakers, and I do have normal computer<br>> > speakers (Harmon-Kardon "2.1", not sure how I could implement those in<br>> > this set-up) but I'll need to otherwise make do with headphones for<br>> > now.<br>> ><br>> > I'd like to be able to use the 6 extra Delta Outs, the Mackie's subs<br>> > 3-4, all of the extra Sub Outs on the back of the Mackie, the<br>> > remaining two Direct outs (7 & 8) on the Mackie, the remaining Ins on<br>> > the Mackie (7, 8, 11-12, & 13-14), and of course the Aux features<br>> > would be auxsome... I mean awesome. All in due time. :)<br>> ><br>> > Anyway, did I do anything wrong with the patch set-ups above, in<br>> > particular the 2nd one - with 10 steps - that ends up monitoring via<br>> > headphones?<br>> ><br>> > Thanks!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Scott Ecker <lau@troutpocket.org> wrote:<br>> >> Ectropic Harmony wrote:<br>> >>> I've recently started adding new gear to my studio, which isn't much...<br>> >>><br>> >>> Here's the list...<br>> >>><br>> >>> Instruments:<br>> >>> Acoustic & electric guitars<br>> >>> Bass guitar<br>> >>> Electronic drumset (a very nice Roland, MIDI but also has direct<br>> >>> outs/main outs (1/4" TRS))<br>> >>> USB/MIDI keyboard (M-Audio Axiom 49)<br>> >>> Various other instruments, percussion, winds, strings<br>> >>><br>> >>> Misc. gear:<br>> >>> Amps (combos, i.e. Marshall, TubeWorks)<br>> >>> Power amp (not currently using this, it's a 4 channel PA)<br>> >>><br>> >>> Recording gear:<br>> >>> 4 mics (AT2020s)<br>> >>> Mixer (Mackie 1642-VLZ3, 16 channel 4 bus analog mixer)<br>> >>> Digital audio interface (M-Audio Delta 1010)<br>> >>> Computer (64-bit quad core 2.6GHz CPU, 4GB RAM, 3TB space; running<br>> >>> Ubuntu Studio 9.10)<br>> >>><br>> >>> The new equipment is the recording gear - specifically the Mackie<br>> >>> mixer, the Delta 1010 audio interface, and the mics.<br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >> This isn't too unlike my setup, except that I have an acoustic drum<br>> >> kit. The keys to successful acoustic recording (IMO):<br>> >><br>> >> 1. Good microphones.<br>> >> 2. Good cables.<br>> >> 3. Good mixer.<br>> >> 4. Good room.<br>> >><br>> >> The rest of it comes down to mic placement, and the quality of the<br>> >> musicians themselves. The difference between the cheap and modestly<br>> >> priced components above will manifest itself in hiss and line noise.<br>> >> Every step in the chain must be good (or better) quality to get a smooth<br>> >> recording.<br>> >><br>> >> My setup is tubes and acoustics all the way to my DAW. Ardour is<br>> >> amazing and does everything I need to record 12+ tracks simultaneously.<br>> >><br>> >> -Scott<br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list<br>> >> Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org<br>> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user<br>> >><br>> ><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Linux-audio-user mailing list<br>> Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org<br>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user<br> </body>
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