Hi weirdo's<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Folderol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:folderol@ukfsn.org">folderol@ukfsn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:19:34 -1000<br>
david <<a href="mailto:gnome@hawaii.rr.com">gnome@hawaii.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I've thought about a "music" in which notes might have "fractal<br>
> fuzziness" to them - for example, what looks like a quarter note is<br>
> really 8 simultaneous (or non-simultaneous) 32nd notes, each having a<br>
> frequency that is some fractally-derived distance from the base quarter<br>
> note's frequency, and perhaps their timing/duration could also be<br>
> fractally derived ... I don't suppose someone knows of such a thing<br>
> already being done?<br>
<br>
</div>Sounds an interesting idea, but I would think it'd be a nightmare to<br>
produce!<br></blockquote><div><br>Reminds me of these 2 open-source projects:<br><a href="http://rationale.sourceforge.net">http://rationale.sourceforge.net</a> and <a href="http://www.rubato.org">http://www.rubato.org</a><br>
<br>Here's a description about Rubato someone sent me a while ago: (:-))<br><br>Quote:<br>"The Rubato project is actually a Mathematical Category Theory<br>
computational/logic framework/language with a music interface. It is
pretty<br>
hairy, even after having read Mazzola's book and his student's
dissertations.<br>
It could certainly stand some examples.<br>
<br>
Apparently, the Rubato project started at CERN (Yeah, the Swiss giant
physics<br>
thing!) and the idea underlying it is that music is a language.
Language, not<br>
in the imprecise way ordinary humans create and understand music, but a
language<br>
capable of precise expression of multidimensional physical and
mathematical<br>
concepts. A natural question would be WHO (or What?) would use such a
language?<br>
Of course, then one wonders how the Europeans could be convinced to
fund and<br>
build the facilities at CERN as it represents a big fraction of the GDP
and<br>
available energy resources? It starts to bring to mind movies like
'Close<br>
Encounters of the Third Kind' and 'Contact'.<br>
<br>
I have not been in direct contact with the Rubato group as first I
wanted to<br>
determine if this stuff was real or bullshit. Odds are that it is real,
or at<br>
least some of it is.<br>
<br>
The whole Mathematical Category area is really strange. First the ages
of many<br>
of the key authors - you'll have to discover that for yourself because
it is the<br>
only way you will believe it. Then their is the apparent aversion to
concrete<br>
examples which lends an air of mystery about it all. And then the
places these<br>
guys just happen to show up and when.<br>
<br>
It is funny where an interest in music and audio synthesis can lead!"<br><br>I didn't really investigate this kind of software any further, but if you do, please share the insights/results. <br>I'd love to know more about it!<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Peter<br></div></div>