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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" style="font-size:10pt;">The world of commercial/enterprise networking and security products is rife with applications </font><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" style="font-size:10pt;">running under Linux on badged appliances. There are thousands of them and some very </font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">successful</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" style="font-size:10pt;">companies have basically just sold FOSS software on rack-mount Linux boxes under their own</font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">name - </span><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Barracuda</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> and Fortinet both started out this way but even the likes of CheckPoint, Cisco</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">and many others are also doing exactly the same, albeit some with their own enhancements.</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Will 'Linux Inside' ever become a respected badge? No.</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">It is worth noting that about 10 years ago there was a big shift when people started to recognise</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">that Linux/FOSS software was actually a lot more trustworthy than closed source - it was around</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">the time that BIND, Apache, Tomcat, Postgress and all the other apps started running the internet,</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">they were without much contest far better than the closed source equivalents.</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">That period is close to over since these apps are now being delivered in commercial products, the</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">concept of 'powered by linux' is no longer really of relevance. It is just there, we use it and why </span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">should we really care?</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">The bigger move at the moment is the slow, death by a thousand cuts that is happening to MS.</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Smartphone, tablets, fridges, microwave, phablets are now all running some version of Unix, be</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">that thanks to google, apple or embedded </span></font><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">systems.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">MS can fight to keep the desktop - they don't have much action that suggest they really will</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">play in other spaces but that is not going to be a benefit for Linux as such: The concept that you</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">are using linux is now irrelevant. We here might be using it and be proud of it on LAU and LAD but</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">the far vaster majority of happy users have it on their android phones (and Apple i* (tm) gear, this </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">is </span><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">after all just Unix) and don't really give a monkeys uncle what it is, as long as it does what they</span></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">want. MS has not got their head around that yet but finally, and correctly, the OS is no longer</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">of much significance in most market segments</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Penguin under the hood? Who cares? What the product does might be enabled by the OS and Unix</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">has become that OS but it is totally irrelevant with respect to the capabilities of the product </span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">itself - the OS is the petrol, diesel or LPG that you put in your car, the car is what you are really</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">interested in. As I said, this might not be the case on LAU/LAD so this might be a little OT.</span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Regards, nick.</span></font></div><div><br></div><div>"at the end of the day its nil nil at half time”.<br>Trevor Brooking<br><br><br><div>> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:15:43 +0200<br>> From: nettings@stackingdwarves.net<br>> To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org<br>> Subject: [LAU] pro gear that runs embedded linux...<br>> <br>> hi guys!<br>> <br>> <br>> i'm sure you all have seen your share of professional audio, video, and <br>> lighting gear that apparently runs embedded linux but never mentions it <br>> much (unless you happen upon the briefly flashing penguins immediately <br>> after booting)...<br>> <br>> i just came across the midas pro2 (which i have to learn for an upcoming <br>> job), and lo and behold, in the manual, midas saith:<br>> "The PRO2 uses the reliable Linux operating system."<br>> <br>> not exactly in the brochure afaict, but in the very prominent first <br>> section of the manual. :)<br>> <br>> other expensive boxes i've seen and used which appear to be running linux:<br>> <br>> * Allen & Heath iLive and GLD series audio mixers<br>> * LAWO mc² series of audio mixers<br>> * grandMA2 series of lighting controllers<br>> * the DirectOut M.1k2 16x16 MADI router<br>> <br>> none of these make a secret out of their OS, but it doesn't seem to be <br>> an advertising item, either. is it because people are generally <br>> disinterested in and/or frightened by the fact that their gear has to <br>> have some sort of operating system inside? i wonder if we'll live to see <br>> the day where "linux inside" is a hot marketing punchline.<br>> <br>> i wonder if you guys have seen other pro gear whose data gets shuffled <br>> around by industrious yet unseen penguins under the hood?<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Jörn Nettingsmeier<br>> Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487<br>> <br>> Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio)<br>> Tonmeister VDT<br>> <br>> http://stackingdwarves.net<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Linux-audio-user mailing list<br>> Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org<br>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user<br></div></div> </div></body>
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