<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">This was adequately discussed on jack-devel over the last 14 years. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">It took a very long time for qjackctl to stop exposing the options that were not intended to be "exposed" to regular users. Finally this has happened, which is great. In the meantime, a lot of people played around with things that are now on the "Advanced" tab, and often got into trouble (which is partly how we gradually came to understand that they probably weren't meant to be exposed. Cadence did a much better job of *not* including these options from the beginning, which is one reason why people could often get JACK to "work" when starting it there.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And yes, the man page does not explain it either, just like the man page for most other *nix software.<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Tim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:termtech@rogers.com" target="_blank">termtech@rogers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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On 08/18/2017 10:10 PM, Paul Davis wrote:<br>
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I am no longer involved in JACK development.<br>
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Sorry, I think I'm having trouble with my mail reader -<br>
darn Thunderbird, cuts off lines sometimes.<br>
I missed the second half of your reply - the part<br>
which logically proceeds to tell us which options<br>
should not be exposed.<br>
<br>
Tim.<br>
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On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Tim <<a href="mailto:termtech@rogers.com" target="_blank">termtech@rogers.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:termtech@rogers.com" target="_blank">termtech@rogers.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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On 08/17/2017 11:34 PM, Paul Davis wrote:<br>
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The fact that jackd has a --foobar option does not mean that a<br>
GUI front end for jackd should expose it. The developers of JACK<br>
were/are hackers/tinkerers and were egged on by other<br>
hackers/tinkerers to make as many things possible as we could.<br>
This might be good for hackers/tinkerers but it doesn't make it<br>
good for most users.<br>
<br>
<br>
Open your jack1 code. Add shortened words to that effect on<br>
each experimental command-line option you want. Push. Done.<br>
<br>
QJackctl team then then adds an "Experimental" tab, and moves<br>
option items to it, that you marked so, or hides them completely -<br>
it's their decision.<br>
<br>
Advanced tab = "Yeah, you might need these."<br>
Experimental tab = "Hands off, fool!"<br>
<br>
Problem solved. Everyone happy. No?<br>
<br>
T.<br>
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On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Tim <<a href="mailto:termtech@rogers.com" target="_blank">termtech@rogers.com</a><br></span>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:termtech@rogers.com" target="_blank">termtech@rogers.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
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On 08/17/2017 01:59 PM, Paul Davis wrote:<br>
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When you've spent years dealing with people screwing up<br>
their<br>
JACK installations/configurations by messing with<br>
parameters<br>
which were never really meant to be exposed to users,<br>
you will<br>
definitely be "Advanced".<br>
<br>
<br>
Ah, you want the "not nice" setting.<br>
<br>
Tim.<br>
<br>
<br>
Maybe there are other ways to get there.<br>
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On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Will Godfrey<br>
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 12:05:46 -0400<br>
Paul Davis <<a href="mailto:paul@linuxaudiosystems.com" target="_blank">paul@linuxaudiosystems.com</a><br>
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> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Jaromír Mikeš<br>
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> wrote:<br>
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> ><br>
> > <br>
> > What about my 2nd question?<br>
> > In qjackctrl Settings -> Advanced ... there is a<br>
"Priority"<br>
option ...<br>
> > It corresponds to -P cli option<br>
> > For what is it good and how it should be used?<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> It's under "Advanced". That means ... if you<br>
don't know<br>
what it<br>
does,<br>
> don't use it, or adjust it. <br>
<br>
I find that response surprising, unhelpful and<br>
quite wrong.<br>
<br>
How can anyone discover whether they need to use a<br>
feature<br>
if nobody<br>
will tell<br>
them what it does?<br>
How does one become 'advanced'?<br>
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