[LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

[Fons Adriaensen]

On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:14:23AM -0400, Raymond Martin wrote:

> On Friday 07 August 2009 08:56:30 Fons Adriaensen wrote:

> > Which makes perfect sense. In a civilised society even
> > a convicted thief retains all the rights to his legally
> > acquired property. If any of it has to be seized, for
> > example to compensate his victims, that action can be
> > taken only by a court. Not by his victims or some self-
> > appointed vigilante.
> 
> Wow, do you live in some sort of utopia?
> 
> Law enforcement in numbers of countries routinely seize peoples property when
> they are involved in or allegedly involved in crimes when there are no real
> victims involved. People's cars and other belonging are routinely seized at 
> border crossings if someone is attempting to enter a country illegally. They
> never get their things back. No courts involved. So much for legal property
> rights.

The cases you mention such as border crossings are
all related to security and not to civil justice. 

There are other special cases, if you drive drunk and
kill someone the car you used will be seized as well,
even if it's not your property. But even this requires
a court order, which can be retroactive.

Regardless of all this: a private person or group
can't ever do this. Only law enforcement or the
justice system can, and in the case of the first
it is temporary (for securtiy or investigation),
and if not it needs confirmation by a court.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Io lo dico sempre: l'Italia è troppo stretta e lunga.