[LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by default; Desktop/audio RT developers, read this!

[Fons Adriaensen]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 03:38:01PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:

> > In the latter case this
> > system is not only broken, but should be classified as malware.
> 
> Is that so?

If something supposedly 'only relevant for the desktop' (your words)
interferes with thing that are not related to the desktop, yes.


> > * Why should an app running on an headless system at RL3 be forced
> > to go through a collection of desktop-oriented daemons in order to
> > do something that amounts to a simple POSIX system call ?
> 
> It shouldn't. 

Then it shouldn't ever. A desktop is just another application.

> A "collection of desktop-oriented daemons"? Do I smell D-Bus fud
> again? 

If I write 'a collection of desktop-oriented daemons' then I mean
exactly that. You have confirmed many times that is what they are.

> Oh my. Just because someone mentions that UNIX has issues you don't
> have to call him "ignorant" and "arrogant".

There is a world of difference between saying that UNIX has issues
and saying that group based security is broken. You could as well
say that wheel based transport is broken,

> PolicyKit entered all major distributions. 

The only thing required for that it to ensure it becomes a 
dependency for Gnome. This will work for anything you want
and it does not demonstrate or imply any qualities.

> If you think that UNIX is the only true verity and think that pk is an
> abomination then bring that up with the pk guys, not with me. 

I didn't bring it up with you.

> Have you actually read my announcement mail? This stuff is only useful
> for out-of-the-box RT support on major distributions. If you roll
> everything your own, because that makes you happy, then ignore rtkit.

I will ignore it, also as an author. Or tell me why a RT DSP library
(which may create RT threads) should depened on any desktop-oriented
daemons.
 
> Yes, we hate security. And it is our declared objective to make your
> life miserable. Surprised?

Do you have a sensible answer to the four example issues I raised ?

> Didn't you know, it's world domination we are going for! We want to
> control your computer and then you, muhahaha. And we take away your
> freedoms. And creating a working desktop is just our cover for
> this. Muahahahaah!  Muahahahahaahahaaaa!

Your words. I'm not suggesting anything like such a conspiracy.
But history shows over and over again that those who want to impair
freedom will deny their intentions. So your denial is as irrelevant
as your attempt to make me say things I didn't say.


Ciao,

-- 
FA

Io lo dico sempre: l'Italia è troppo stretta e lunga.