[LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by default; Desktop/audio RT developers, read this!

[Patrick Shirkey]

On 06/23/2009 06:02 PM, alex stone wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Patrick
> Shirkey<pshirkey at boosthardware.com>  wrote:
>    
>> On 06/22/2009 04:20 PM, Chris Cannam wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Paul Davis<paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Finally, as Chris said -
>> many of us are writing apps that target multiple platforms
>>
>>
>> Well, my comment (from the point of view of applications rather than
>> library development) was not so much about portability as simple
>> convenience.  Regardless of which method is ultimately used to
>> establish proper audio scheduling, it would be nice to be able to
>> handle it through the same audio API as I am already using.  PortAudio
>> and JACK APIs both contain some support for this, PulseAudio is the
>> odd one out for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a point of interest and comparison that has very little to do with this
>> debate,  I just noticed that pulseaudio *is* being used in the Palm Pre
>>
>> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
>>
>> While Jack and Portaudio are not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patrick Shirkey
>> Boost Hardware Ltd.
>>
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>>      
> Patrick, the point is well made.
>
> The decision's already been taken, excluding the wider linuxaudio
> community, and no amount of enthusiastic input here will make any
> difference to Lennert's intent, or anyone else involved in this
> project.
>
>    


I wouldn't go that far. Lennart has proven to be open to our suggestions 
in the past and is prepared to work with everyone round here on the 
matter of desktop integration and to a degree system design.

IMO what is missing at the moment is a unified plan from the LAD 
community for desktop integration that is compatible with the unified 
plan from the freedesktop community et al.

What I see is that Lennart and the others who have worked on pulseaudio 
have done such a good job at making the platform accessible to the 
desktop community that it has now become the defacto standard for Linux 
Audio.

This was certainly helped by the insistence (for good reasons) that JACK 
is not designed for normal users or non realtime desktop apps and the 
lack of effort contributed to tackling the inherent issues.

However we do have a problem now that needs to be sorted with 
integrating pa and jack in a way that is easy for everyone to work with.

Clearly Lennart has found that PA needs to be able to handle realtime 
usage cases and is attempting in his best way to deal with those 
problems. However there is soooo much cross over here that it is 
becoming a dictatorial situation for those of us who are not 
intrinsically tied too the pulse audio system.

Hence it is in everyones best interests to make sure this issue is 
resolved or else we will have another alsa vs oss situation on our hands 
for the foreseeable future.

By itself that is not a problem as that is the beauty of open source, 
but for the average user it is a real headache.






Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd





> Seems we got the short straw. Again.
>
> A real shame.
>
> Alex
>
>
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