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[Fernando Lopez-Lezcano]

On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 10:33 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> 
> On 06/24/2009 10:24 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: 
> > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 18:44 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> >   
> > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Fernando
> > > Lopez-Lezcano<nando at ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:
> > > 
> > >     
> > > > see here for an interesting entry:
> > > >  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442959
> > > >       
> > > that is hilarious :)
> > >     
> > 
> > Hmmm, well, not really. It means he has been working on this for a
> > while. It is too bad that he only made lad aware of it after it was
> > "ready to go"...
> 
> It's not something that can be directly pinned on Lennart though. It's
> not exactly empowering to have to fight for every inch before the work
> is started. 

Yep, I agree, it does not speak very well of lad. I'm not sure what
would have happened if he had visited lad earlier. It _could_ have been,
for example, an invitation to work on the project, not necessary a
request for open, scathing and insulting responses :-) On the other hand
design by committee has usually little chance of success. 

There has obviously been discussions on this, just not here (lkml for
once - I stopped merely scanning it a while back, impossible to keep
up). 

IMO I would probably not have lasted as long as he did in this thread.
Too many type and fire responses - as you mention below - with little
thought or research (I'm guilty as well, of course). 

On the other hand he is a member of the lkml list and posts there, and
lkml is not the kindest of environments. Maybe he expected something
different of lad. 

> Maybe he wanted to conserve his mental energy for the actual code and
> save the fight for a time when he could handle the load...
> 
> It's becoming a recurring theme round here, maybe it has always been
> this way? It seems to me that it's become more so in the past few
> years.

Maybe so. Or maybe we are (at least the older ones) in the slow process
of "nothing like the old times" regression :-) I think that in a smaller
community it is harder to not know somebody, specially in the case of
lad after the first LAD Conference, and if you know somebody personally
it is harder to (ab)use sarcasm or outright be insulting, email is
faceless. 

> Lest we recall the eruption over getting lv2 into reactor or whatever
> that app was.
> 
> Maybe it's because we are all that much busier these days that it's
> harder to find the time to edit our responses?

Or maybe it is that the community has gotten bigger. Or both. I know I'm
busier but that has been a constant for quite a while so it can't be :-)

There may be a degree of anger as well that is directed to whoever stirs
things a bit. I also have that, but I try to not let that influence my
posts too much. Don't know how successfully. 

-- Fernando