Patrick Shirkey pshirkey at boosthardware.com
Sat Nov 21 15:00:32 UTC 2009

On 11/22/2009 01:45 AM, Paul Davis wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Patrick Shirkey
> <pshirkey at boosthardware.com>  wrote:
>> Nedko has chosen to work with dbus and has provided a very flexible
>> system built on that decision. However his approach is not acceptable
>> for all use cases. Afaict there is very little interest from parties
>> that disagree with the dbus approach to enhance the LADI toolset in a
>> way that makes it more flexible for their use and vision.
> I don't really care at all about the technology inside a Linux session
> handling "toolkit", although clearly it would be nicer if it worked on
> all Linux systems. What I care about is the complete lack of any
> stable API that a developer of an application that would participate
> in this could use and have some confidence in. Do I believe that using
> dbus as an IPC mechanism makes sense in this case, and that therefore
> "the API" is really just a set of dbus names and semantics? Well, i'm
> agnostic about that (my doubt comes from the fact that the
> participants are all already connected via an existing IPC mechanism
> that is guaranteed to be running; its called JACK), but in the end it
> does not matter much to me - what matters more is that the work to
> integrate an application into the system can be done, and stay done.
> My impression of LASH and its cousins is that this simply hasn't
> happened yet.

I think this is why Nedko has decided to draw a line here. He has 
attempted to provide a very flexible and powerful implementation built 
on top of several other implementations. The big problem is that 
developer community is not getting on board.

If we gave more support to the LADI tools as a session management option 
then we could get feedback on the capabilities of the toolset from the 
wider community of users and get a better impression of how far from the 
target we really are.

If jack1/2, qjackctl, patchage, gnome, kde, etc... don't get behind it 
as a viable session management option then we will never fulfil the 

Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

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