[LAD] Project proposition: llvm based dsp engine

Maurizio De Cecco jmax at dececco.name
Thu Dec 9 12:53:42 UTC 2010

>Le 8 déc. 2010 à 12:19, Maurizio De Cecco a écrit :
>> On Tuesday12/7/10 2:58 PM, Stéphane Letz wrote:
>>> I'm quite dubious of any real optimization you would achieve with this kind of approach, using LLVM.
>> >AFAIKS LLVM link time optimization allows some kind of inter module inlining or possibly constant
>> > propagation
>> Well, optimizations can be added :->.
>> Anyway, in my case (jMax, but it valid for other patch based langauges), things like inlining and loop fusion and software pipelining would help a lot for patches with simple objects like add and multiply.
>Possibly, but this is somewhat limited to Max like languages...

Probably, and to any applications that need to combine at run time a number of "relatively" simple
signal operators.

>I would suggest to first test the idea with LLVM: like writing simple modules in C, compile them with LLVM in bitcode, then use LLVM API to combine them using Link Time Optimization stuff.
>Without any real benchmark of the approach it does not make real sense IMHO.

I agree, the idea must be validated against some test case of some kind before
investing time in coding.

On the other side, LLVM is still moving quite fast, and it is a framework to
write compilers (and tools and ...); any benchmark done today would just give
you an indication of what it is possible today, with the existing optimisations,
and not of the potentiality of the platforms.

To get an idea of the potentiality of the platforms you would need some compiler
expert of the LLVM project, not just the users.

>>> Again staying in the imperative world makes things much more complicated... go functional!
>> I was born as LISP programmer, so, nothing against, just tell me what to do with existing code bases :->
>Rewrite them in Faust ((-:
>You should come on Faust dev list...

I have no doubt that Faust is a great system, and i am hoping to have time to write
the needed code to generate jMax object from Faust.

But i have a different problem, that is to maintain and evolve an existing code base,
so the answer "there are better languages technologies", while true, it is not anyway
the good answer.

>> OK, may be it is just a dream, but LLVM seems to be an interesting framework to use for this purpose.
 [ ... ]
>Not sure LLVM is the right basis for that.

Well, it depends; it is a natural basis for a platform where LLVM is becoming the basic platform compilation
technology, like Mac OS X. If we were discussing about Java programming, i would be discussion about
JVM byte code generation ...


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