[LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

Ralf Mardorf ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net
Fri Dec 17 10:40:57 UTC 2010

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 05:30 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> On Friday, December 17, 2010 05:15:04 am Philipp Überbacher did opine:
> [...]
> > I guess it really depends on what you try to achieve. Afaik the average
> > life-span of a HD is puny 2 years. 
> Some maybe.  I have a 1Gb seacrate hawk I use on a TRS-80 Color Computer 
> that is a good 15 years old, and I hooked up an old Quantum P40S beside it 
> the other day that must be close to 18 years old.  No bad sectors were 
> found when I did a logical verify of the surface.

Ok, my 40MB SCSI Seagate for the Atari is ok for more than 20 years,
heavy usage, several startups a day. Sometimes I need to start it 2 or 3
times, but than it's ok.

> > From what I heard the magnetic tapes
> > used by for example ESA a long time ago have a life-span of 80 years. If
> > 'store it good and forget' is what you're after then tape seems like a
> > good idea.
> That seems to be a recipe for disaster.  Will there be a working tape drive 
> to read those old tapes in even 40 years?

For analog tapes Dirk Brauner had Telefunken machines that are as old as
you are and they were better than a lot of modern machines ;).

> Here, I use 4 1Tb drives as 
> individual drives, 3 of which have individual installs on them, and the 4th 
> is for amanda, doing nightly backups of whatever install I am running this 
> year.  With smartd running, I have been told far enough in advance of an 
> impending drive failure that my email corpus has not been lost since early 
> 2002.
> > As for my university, as far as I know they use some RAID system for
> > everyday and tapes for sensitive data. And they already had their whole
> > RAID fail at the same time.
> So have I observed. Twice that I know of at my former, and occasionally 
> still, employers.

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