[linux-audio-user] Make a .GIG out of the MIS piano Was: Re: Copyrights on samples

[Mark Knecht]

Benno,
   I am a GigaStudio user, but I;'ve never built a complicated .gig
file. Are you looking for someone to do this? If so, I could check it
out and see what I can come up with.

   If you are just looking for someone to test the gig file someone else
here makes, I'd be very happy to do that.

   In either case I would certainly compare the sound of this gig file
with the sounds I get for the 4 grand piano gig libraries I've
purchased.

   Let me know how I might be able to help the most.

Cheers,
Mark

On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 08:22, Benno Senoner wrote:
> The free sampled piano is here:
> http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html  (click on the Piano link)
> 
> It is quite large, abot 1.5GB (each note sampled individually in 3 
> velocities: pp, mf, ff).
> I do not know how good the quality of this piano is, Steve Harris
> hacked together a small player and posted some mp3s that were rendered 
> from a MIDI file driving his application.
> To me it does not sound that great, perhaps you need to tune
> the velocity splits to make it sound well.
> 
> Anyway this sampleset is really large and can hardly fit into RAM.
> SF2 was not created to be streamed from disk thus I suggest the following.
> 
> We of the linuxsampler team made significant progress in .GIG playback
> thanks to the wonderful work done by Christian S.
> He actually wrote libgig which is able to parse and load .GIG file
> supporting all the articulation stuff (layering, key/velocity switching,
>   dimensions etc).
> 
> see our new webpage (thanks Marek ;-) )
> http://www.linuxsampler.org
> 
> (the new code is not online yet, because Christian and I are fixing bugs
> and optimizing the streaming).
> 
> I cannot make forecasts when full GIG playback will be done, but shortly
>   (1-2 weeks) we will release a version that can play back the samples
> (without effects, and envelopes for now).
> 
> This means we will soon be able to play the MIS piano directly streamed 
> from disk using LinuxSampler.
> 
> So the advice to Atti and others is:
> One of you should use a Windows app which allows you to create .GIG 
> files (with GigaStudio being the natural choice), download the MIS 
> samples, tune volume, velocity-splits, trim samples (some samples have a 
> bit of silence at the beginning etc) and make a .GIG file out of it.
> 
> After the piano sounds good in GigaStudio you should post it online.
> That way as soon as LinuxSampler is ready (the piano sample does not 
> require filters, envelopes etc) we can release a truly free
> Grandpiano in software (samples + player).
> 
> To compare how well the MIS piano .GIG you will create ,sounds I suggest 
> you to use this page:
> 
> http://www.af.lu.se/~fogwall/piano.html
> 
> On that page you find a classical music midi file
> Fantaisie-Impromptu (Chopin)
> 
> and the corresponding audio clips rendered with various
> digital pianos, hardware expanders and software samples
> (including VST The Grand, various multi-Gigabyte piano samples for
> Gigasampler etc).
> 
> Not sure about the quality we can achieve, for example the MIS piano
> does not include pedal down samples.
> IANAPP (I am not a piano player)  so I do not know if this is a big
> disadvantage that makes it sound unprofessional.
> 
> Worth a try anyway.
> 
> What do you think ?
> 
> cheers,
> Benno
> 
> 
>  >> * sample the grandpiano of the latest Roland/Korg/Yamaha electric >piano
>  >> * give the sample away
>  >> * package it (sf2) and put it on my web site
>  >>
> 
>  > if you are prepared to go through all the pain of trimming and looping
>  > zillions of samples, why not do the real thing ?
>  > there is a raw set of steinway grand samples floating around on the net
>  > somewhere (was even announced to this list iirc), and i think it's even
>  > an anechoic recording.
>  > the license was something along the lines of "free for the taking".
> 
> 
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