[linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more
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Sat Nov 27 12:01:35 EST 2004
--- David Stephens <linuxrootuser at gmail.com> wrote:
> For anyone keeping score...
> 1 RME PCI Card
> 1 RME Multiface
> 1 RME HDSP9625
1 RME Digi9652
1 M-Audio 2496 i think that's what it is
2 M-Audio 1010lt i think that's what they are
1 midiman USB 8x8 i guess that counts
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:51:16 +0100, Marek Peteraj
> <marpet at naex.sk> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 23:17, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:34:17 +0100, Marek
> Peteraj <marpet at naex.sk> wrote:
> > > <SNIP>
> > > > 2. I can only understand the point of view of
> open source developers
> > > > here, since they also invested an awfull lot
> of time (and money that
> > > > they didn't get back!) into developing linux
> audio applications, many of
> > > > which are state-of-art at least with respect
> to technology. And they're
> > > > free as in beer/speech.
> > >
> > > That was their choice. Right?
> > Sure but the result is the _same_ with respect to
> what they
> > deliver(state of art technology), which has the
> same value for me. Not
> > the same with respect to what you get in the
> end.(a non-functioning
> > device you paid a lot for, just because this and
> > >
> > > > That said i really don't understand the point
> of view of those few how
> > > > actually kindof defend the position of RME (or
> any other manufacturer in
> > > > a similar position), no offense intended.
> > >
> > > RME's position, and I am only guessing here, is
> that they would be
> > > happy to release info to the Open Source
> community __IF__ that
> > > information didn't help their competitors
> develop hardware that
> > > competed with RME.
> > How? To achieve 1ms less latency?
> > > It is natural for people who have spent money
> > > want to protect it's value. We are that way with
> our own purchases,
> > > correct? I (and I think you...) would not be
> happy if I bought
> > > something and then it stopped working,
> > Worse. It actually never worked in my case.
> > > or if the company you bought it
> > > from stopped supporting it.
> > Worse. They never did in my case.
> > > RME is the same way. They invest hundreds
> > > of thousands, if not millions of Euro's
> developing new hardware ideas.
> > Hence the analogy with oss developers. They do
> that too without being
> > cowards and misers.
> > > They create software to support it and make it
> work. Then all the
> > > technical information goes into the public
> domain and some low cost
> > > manufacturer from Taiwan or Russia or somewhere
> else knocks off a copy
> > > and sells it for 1/2 the price. No one buys RME
> hardware, RME doesn't
> > > make money and goes out of business.
> > Did this happen?
> > See how many RME cards are supported. Almost all.
> Perhaps all except
> > fireface. Did someone from russia or taiwan
> knock-off a copy? Does RME
> > suffer from us having alsa drivers? Are russian
> engineers or taiwanese
> > engineers(envy24 btw AFAIK) not smart enough to
> come up with their own
> > superb design? Is it too hard for smart people to
> > In other words - what are you talking about?
> > >
> > > What's so hard to understand?
> > Pretty much everything. Considering that they have
> used proprietary
> > protocols in their hammerfall series anyway.
> > > > Which seems like it's the beginning of end for
> linux pro-audio hw
> > > > support if we don't fight for it. Right now it
> concerns just me, but it
> > > > might concern everyone in the near future.
> > >
> > > This I agree with, but the best way to fight for
> it (speaking as a
> > > business man) is to develop a real market for
> it. We need thousands of
> > > buyers. Develop the market and hardware
> manufacturers will come.
> > Perhaps it's here already. I think there's more of
> us RME or M-Audio
> > customers than one might think.
> > Marek
> "When you get to the end of all the light you know
> and it's time to
> step into the darkness of the unknown, faith is
> knowing that one of
> two things shall happen: either you will be given
> something solid to
> stand on, or you will be taught how to fly." --Dr.
> Edward Teller
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