[linux-audio-user] Re: [ardour-users] jack_fst and gcc4

[tobbe at nyvalls.se]

torbenh at gmx.de skrev:

>On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 09:33:07AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
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>>On 10/13/05, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
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>>>On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 16:59 +0200, Cesare wrote:
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>>>>I think that a clean solution to host vst plugins (at least the effects)
>>>>could be this : taking the wine approach (and maybe some code) and just
>>>>implement those calls that are relevant to audio plugins (file access
>>>>for loading and saving presets, math libraries etc.) without handling
>>>>graphics at all.We have the info for the effect parameters in the dll
>>>>and we can provide a standard interface (like the simpler vst effects in
>>>>cubase) to tweak parameters.
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>>>>Is this possible?
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>>>absolutely not possible.
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>>I'll go even a bit further. VSts are Windows programs and they should
>>just work under Wine. Paul & Torben's time is probably better spent
>>elsewhere.
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>>I'd like to see every Linux Audio user interested in this subject
>>start pressing the Wine folks to support this themselves. Let's pay
>>attention to the Windows apps that can host VSTs and VSTi's. Acid Pro
>>is a commercial one that comes to mind. Fruity Loops, etc. There's got
>>to be free VST loaders out there for Windows. Older versions of Acid
>>install and run  fine under Wine but do not handle VSTs very well. The
>>new versions don't install or run.
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>>Putting together yet another hack outside of Wine that will run for 1
>>year and then die when gcc5 comes out would be disappointing. Let's
>>get the Wine folks to support this.
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>>Please enter apps in the Wine AppDB and enter test results in Wine's
>>Bugzilla. If there are enough of us entering 100's of apps then
>>they'll pay attention. Maybe not fast, but I believe they will.
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>i still believe, that the current xfst approach is a clean solution.
>it does no more use the libwinelib hack.
>its a wine app which uses jack natively.
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>i mailed it to several people who reported success IIRC.
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>i mailed it to them because i dont have the time to open a 
>sourceforge-project etc. for it.
>i thought that some of them would invest the time to make it available
>publicly.
>(paul, did you actually test it ? i know you dont have the time either,
>and as long as we dont provide some linker wrapper its not COMPLETE. )
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>but hey: it does not use the "pull wine into an app not knowing wine"
>approach.
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>i dont have the time to (use my computer / write mail) very often.
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>so someone should step forward and try to get xfst outthere soon.
>with webpage, README etc.
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>xfst is a wine (not win) app which loads vsts and binds them to jack
>ports.
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>i upload my current state to http://galan.sf.net/xfst-0.3.tar.gz
>please report success or failure in this thread. my response latency is
>very high.
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>i am very sorry that galan cant load vsts currently.
>but hell it should load dssi plugs.
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i have built an rpm out of xfst against wine-20050830 for pclinuxos
and it actually does start the vst plugin i will test this out.