[LAU] Re: That must suck. For me it's about beauty -- music is justone path

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Marcos Guglielmetti wrote:
> El Mié 04 Abr 2007 16:49, Chuckk Hubbard escribió:
>  | On 4/4/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
>  | > > Marcos Guglielmetti escribe:
>  | > > > Maybe noise is beauty... I dont know... the sounds of the ocean are
>  | > > > like noice, just like the wind too... I think this is beautiful,
>  | > > > but, because
>  | > >
>  | > > I
>  | > >
>  | > > > dont like the car's, bus, planes, trains, etc., sounds, I think
>  | > > > there is almost no beauty into the industrial age sounds (factories,
>  | > > > etc.)
>  | >
>  | > It seems likely that you don't like these sounds because of their
>  | > psychoacoustic association.
> 
> Yes: that's right
> 
>  | > To put it bluntly if every morning you were 
>  | > being prematurely woken up by a beautiful bird song of a bird who lives
>  | > on a tree next to your window, I am pretty sure that you would
>  | > eventually learn to dislike that sound as much as you currently dislike
>  | > the sound of your alarm clock. All sounds we are aware of are simply a
>  | > combination of sine tones perceptible by our ears. Therefore, the only
>  | > difference between a sound of an ocean and a steam engine is ultimately
>  | > their "recipe." If you consider all sounds on this, much more equal
>  | > plane, then it becomes rather apparent that all sounds have beauty that
>  | > simply needs to be uncovered regardless of their source. This art is
>  | > also known as acousmatic music (or a sound removed from its source).
>  |
>  | I don't buy that.  

Then you probably don't like Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers #2 by [The 
User]: http://www.theuser.org/dotmatrix/downloads/en/frame_index.html

(from their site: [The User] takes its name from a term employed by our 
technocratic society, especially in design-related fields such as 
engineering, architecture and software development. The term 'user' 
objectifies and reduces individuality to an abstract and generic ideal. 
This reduction is employed wherever abstract rational methodology is 
applied to situations involving real people. Once this reduction is 
made, it becomes much easier to treat the faceless, formless 'user' in 
an inhuman fashion. In our society we employ the impersonal term 'user' 
to justify the infliction of neon lighting, plastic cutlery and Muzak on 
a huge majority of our population.) If this is old stuff to people on 
the list, sorry.

I enjoy the *music* & the *idea* behind it. Neither prevent me from 
enjoying a frog's croak or birdsong, ambient city sounds, or for that 
matter, a snippet of pron audio of a female's orgasm :) On the path, 
what does capitalism choking itself sound like anyway?

> 
> jajaja
> 
>  | Factories and machinery have vibrations created and 
>  | enforced by hundreds of forces working at different rates and in
>  | different directions, caused by objects that were assembled with very
>  | little regard for the sound they made. 
> 
> And human exploitation... so, if it is unethical to explode the human, I dont 
> like the sound of the exploitation, 

Regardless of the ethics involved, I dislike the sound of exploding 
humans in meat space. (Forgive me for making fun of ESL slips, but these 
days exploding humans are the norm.)

so I dont like the sounds of the
> industrial age: it's that simple to me.
> 
> Also, the cars, etc., and the petroleum (oil) industry are destroying "our" 
> nature and our society, so, I dont like the cars, etc., sounds, because the 
> pollute "our" environment.
> 
> So I like the bird's sounds, because they dont destroy "our" nature and "our" 
> society...
> 
>  | A song bird actually hears 
>  | what it is doing, and makes patterns based on the sound.
>  
> Sure, he is smart ;-), more than humans maybe
> 
>  | -Chuckk
> 
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