[LAU] <OT> 'Sir' Elton John (a.k.a. Pennyhouse with rolls) wants to shut down the web <off topic>

Chuckk Hubbard badmuthahubbard at gmail.com
Fri Aug 3 18:40:19 EDT 2007

On 8/3/07, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 17:06 -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> > On 8/2/07, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:

>         good grief, did you even read/listen to what he had to say? it
> >         has
> >         absolutely nothing to do with the net as a
> >         distribution/retail/exchange
> >         medium.
> >
> > Well, what he said has nothing to do with that, but why he said it...
> > Well if it was someone who wasn't senile I would suspect they had
> > ulterior motives, but with him who knows.
> thats ridiculously insulting and unnecessary.

If you're insulted that I called him senile, then nevermind; my point is
still that just because he didn't say he was attacking the internet for
intellectual property reasons doesn't mean he wasn't attacking the internet
for intellectual property reasons.

> >  One other result of increased communication, including the internet,
> > is that people with similar non-mainstream interests can find each
> > other.
> if they can be bothered, between playing WoW/guitar hero/katamari,
> texting friends on their phones, and popping yet another DVD in one of
> the many players at home.

Now that's ridiculously insulting and unnecessary.  I don't see any
difference between wasting time with technology and wasting time without
it.  If the millions of people playing WoW et al don't stop the people who
create great music as a result of the internet (e.g. having access to free
software as a result of the internet, learning how to use granular synthesis
as a result of the internet, studying psychoacoustics as a result of the
internet), then who cares?

>  Now certain musicians can have an audience that never could have
> > found their audience without the help of large corporations before,
> > and large corporations had no reason to help them.  I think of Beck as
> > being this way.
> Beck? Beck predates the rise of the internet. Wikipedia says "He first

Then read what I wrote.  "Increased communication, including the

came to wider public attention with his breakthrough single "Loser", a
> hit in 1994,". 1994 ... i was just getting the insides of Amazon started
> in 1994, i think that can be said to predate the internet as that term
> is commonly understood today, or at least be contemporaneous with it at
> a time when audio-via-dialup was not practical.

Nerds were communicating across continents without the interference of
content programmers.  I recall a friend of mine downloading a slew of Dave
Mathews tablatures from newsgroups around that time.  That couldn't have
been an isolated incident, and it has to affect sales.  They say the best
advertising is word-of-mouth; how can the ability to talk to people in other
time zones not affect that?

>  I'm not sure how much role the internet had per se in his obtaining
> > contracts, but the general increase in communication technology
> > definitely helped.  Primus comes to mind as well: they could only turn
> > a profit by appealing to 1 out of 10 people in a million groups.
> never heard of primus, which i guess proves your point.

Well if you've ever seen the intro to an episode of Southpark, you've heard
their music.  Their contract does predate the "rise" of the internet, but
again, I don't think they would have been signed 10 years earlier, and I
think technology played a role.

> I don't think that art produced by isolated individuals is generally
> > worse than that made by people who are "out there".
> its nothing to do with the quality of the art. its to do with the social
> role of art in bringing together artists and audiences in varuous
> combinations.

No, Elton was talking about the quality of the art.  Did you read what he
"Instead they sit at home and make their own records, which is sometimes OK
but it doesn't bode well for long-term artistic vision."
If the internet was shut down, he says, "I'm sure, as far as music goes, it
would be much more interesting than it is today."
And he's wrong.

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