From dj_melampus at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 04:04:03 2008 From: dj_melampus at hotmail.com (Anastasios Karabatzakis) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:04:03 +0200 Subject: [LAU] About external MIDI equipment. Message-ID: Hello, I am using "Studio to Go!" with JAck Audio and Rosegarden sequencer. The problem is that the "Restart Audio Engine" does not recognize the MIDI port (joystick) of my sound card although it recognize the audio chip. I have a Terratek Fun 5.1 soundcard installed in my computer. What can I do? Thanks, Mel. _________________________________________________________________ ????????? 30 ?????? Emoticons ??? ??? Windows Live Messenger ???! http://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/el-gr/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081201/c1481ee7/attachment.htm From matt at smiffytech.com Mon Dec 1 07:10:55 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:40:55 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Autocue software? Message-ID: <4933D44F.6040103@smiffytech.com> Hi Folks As a bit of a vocal training exercise, I would like to be able to run a text file like an autocue as I record - any suggestions for an appropriate programme? Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From jamesmstone at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 07:19:19 2008 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:19:19 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Autocue software? In-Reply-To: <4933D44F.6040103@smiffytech.com> References: <4933D44F.6040103@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <48d2154d0812010419n2555fe5euaa7b8dbc3ae959ec@mail.gmail.com> Accentuate (the program previously known as keyjnote until Apple's lawyers got involved) might work... http://www.cs.rit.edu/~jrm8005/accentuate.html James On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Smith wrote: > Hi Folks > > As a bit of a vocal training exercise, I would like to be able to run a > text file like an autocue as I record - any suggestions for an > appropriate programme? > > Cheers > > M > > -- > Matthew Smith > Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development > Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ > Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From tim at klingt.org Mon Dec 1 07:31:54 2008 From: tim at klingt.org (Tim Blechmann) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: > Is anyone interested in an Open Source MIDI control surface? interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an external high-resolution adc? thnx, tim -- tim at klingt.org http://tim.klingt.org After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 08:10:52 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:10:52 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812010510p30a98166m8eced71cf4267032@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote: >> Is anyone interested in an Open Source MIDI control surface? > > interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i > would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision > adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, > while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone > have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an > external high-resolution adc? > > thnx, tim > > -- > tim at klingt.org > http://tim.klingt.org > Just for my own understanding isn't MIDI fundamentally an 8-bit system? (256 max notes across a keyboard, 256 max levels, etc., ...) If so why would anything above 8-bits make any difference? Or can you specifically send controller information over multiple MIDI bytes? Thanks, Mark From cimo75 at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 08:24:59 2008 From: cimo75 at gmail.com (simone-www.io-lab.org) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:24:59 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0812010510p30a98166m8eced71cf4267032@mail.gmail.com> References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <5bdc1c8b0812010510p30a98166m8eced71cf4267032@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote: >>> Is anyone interested in an Open Source MIDI control surface? >> >> interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i >> would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision >> adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, >> while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone >> have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an >> external high-resolution adc? >> >> thnx, tim >> >> -- >> tim at klingt.org >> http://tim.klingt.org >> > > Just for my own understanding isn't MIDI fundamentally an 8-bit > system? (256 max notes across a keyboard, 256 max levels, etc., ...) > If so why would anything above 8-bits make any difference? Or can you > specifically send controller information over multiple MIDI bytes? MIDI rpn/nrpn messages combine 2 midi cc parameters to get double resolution, 14 bit. The answer to your question is that many of us are not using MIDI at all to receive data from sensors or whatsoever, programs like Pure Data can receive any kind of numbers over different protocols (HID, OSC etc etc) so no need to get int o the MIDI bottleneck resolution. Simone > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be accepted and/or viewed.... From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 08:59:14 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 05:59:14 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <5bdc1c8b0812010510p30a98166m8eced71cf4267032@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812010559m40d61c32u976c2477bc658698@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:24 AM, simone-www. io-lab. org wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote: >>>> Is anyone interested in an Open Source MIDI control surface? >>> >>> interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i >>> would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision >>> adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, >>> while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone >>> have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an >>> external high-resolution adc? >>> >>> thnx, tim >>> >>> -- >>> tim at klingt.org >>> http://tim.klingt.org >>> >> >> Just for my own understanding isn't MIDI fundamentally an 8-bit >> system? (256 max notes across a keyboard, 256 max levels, etc., ...) >> If so why would anything above 8-bits make any difference? Or can you >> specifically send controller information over multiple MIDI bytes? >> > MIDI rpn/nrpn messages combine 2 midi cc parameters to get double > resolution, 14 bit. Thanks. > The answer to your question is that many of us are not using MIDI at > all to receive data from sensors or whatsoever, programs like Pure > Data can receive any kind of numbers over different protocols (HID, > OSC etc etc) so no need to get int o the MIDI bottleneck resolution. No, this was not my question. My question was answered above. thanks, Mark > Simone >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > > > -- > .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be > accepted and/or viewed.... > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From nescivi at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 12:26:10 2008 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:26:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <200812011226.10619.nescivi@gmail.com> On Monday 01 December 2008 07:31:54 Tim Blechmann wrote: > > Is anyone interested in an Open Source MIDI control surface? > > interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i > would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision > adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, > while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone > have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an > external high-resolution adc? Are you sure you need it? How much noise do you have on your analog sensor? sincerely, Marije From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Mon Dec 1 12:55:09 2008 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:55:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <493424FD.5060105@gmx.de> Tim Blechmann schrieb: > does anyone > have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an > external high-resolution adc? > > thnx, tim > > How about www.heise.de/ct/projekte/ct-lab/ ? Klaus -- From tim at klingt.org Mon Dec 1 13:29:03 2008 From: tim at klingt.org (Tim Blechmann) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <200812011226.10619.nescivi@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> > Is anyone interested in an Open Source MIDI control surface? >> >> interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... >> i would be curious, if someone has some experience with >> higher-precision adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) >> provide 10-bit adcs, while i'd be interested in getting a higher >> resolution ... does anyone have experience with interfacing a >> microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an external high-resolution adc? > > Are you sure you need it? > How much noise do you have on your analog sensor? well, 10 bit is ok, but i would prefer a more accurate resolution. i would also prefer to use a 14bit adc with 2 bit of jittering instead of a 12 bit resolution ... tim -- tim at klingt.org http://tim.klingt.org There's no such entity as "most people". These are generalities. All generalities are meaningless. You've got to pin it down to a specific person doing a specific thing at a specific time and space. William S. Burroughs From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:23:28 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:23:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device Message-ID: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam US-122, good one? Other suggestions? regards \r From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:25:45 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:25:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49344849.4060800@gmail.com> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a > good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam > US-122, good one? Other suggestions? > > regards > > \r > > edit: it's for ubuntu 8.10 From guido.scholz at bayernline.de Mon Dec 1 15:29:52 2008 From: guido.scholz at bayernline.de (Guido Scholz) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:29:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081201202952.GA22496@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de> Am Mon, 01. Dec 2008 um 21:23:28 +0100 schrieb Grammostola Rosea: > for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a > good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam > US-122, good one? Other suggestions? I am using an "Emagic MT 4"; runs out of the box with Linux, but is only available second hand now. Guido -- http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/ http://www.lug-burghausen.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081201/8ddda00d/attachment.pgp From louisjbarman at googlemail.com Mon Dec 1 15:32:56 2008 From: louisjbarman at googlemail.com (Louis B.) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:32:56 +0000 Subject: [LAU] PianoBooster version 0.5.0 has just been released In-Reply-To: <493432C5.8060502@rytmisk.net> References: <493432C5.8060502@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > Wow thanks!! > > This is actually an amazing piece of software!! > > A great thing would be to acquire a wiki kind of thing with links to usable > midi files! > > How about developing the game aspect a bit more with points and levels and > such? > > Ketil > Hi I have set up a forum on Nabble see: http://n2.nabble.com/Piano-Booster-f1591936.html and added the thread, "Pieces of music that I have enjoyed playing - please add to this list". If any body knows of any suitable pieces of music then please feel free to add it to this forum. I have always planned to add a high score, but as it was hard enough to get Piano Booster ready for release it will probably have to wait until after Christmas. Thanks Louis From louisjbarman at googlemail.com Mon Dec 1 15:56:55 2008 From: louisjbarman at googlemail.com (Louis B.) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:56:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <20081201202952.GA22496@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> <20081201202952.GA22496@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de> Message-ID: Guido Scholz wrote: > for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a > good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam > US-122, good one? Other suggestions? I use the Edirol UM-2EX it works perfectly under Linux (and windows) out of the box -- no need to install or change anything. Louis From matt at smiffytech.com Mon Dec 1 16:41:08 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:11:08 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> Hi Tim > interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i > would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision > adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, > while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone > have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an > external high-resolution adc? For regular 7-bit stuff, I'll be using a 16-input, 8-bit ADC. However, in order to get higher resolutions for the 2 x 7-bit messages, I am dropping analogue input in favour of rotary encoders. The encoders that I will be using (currently on their way from China) output a 2-bit Gray code, meaning that I can read 4 of them simultaneously using a single port. (I'll actually be using 8 in a 4 x 2 matrix, scanning them just like a keypad.) $16 USD for 10 - quite a lot cheaper than pots! If your input has to be analogue, ADCs are available with many different interfaces - synchronous serial (like the TI ones I'll be using), SPI, I2C and byte-wide, which can be accessed like external memory. Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From nonomonomusic at googlemail.com Mon Dec 1 18:32:14 2008 From: nonomonomusic at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Niklas_Kl=FCgel?=) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:32:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Music: lodsb - lazer.eyes.love Message-ID: <493473FE.2080806@googlemail.com> Hey LAU! compressed info: If you're up to something fresh, you'll love this album. melody-core love-songs @ insane speeds. emphasis on classical composition+acid shit. some breaks as well. For the impatient (tracks to check out): 04 - xXlazereyesloveXx 01 - analogue arcade 06 - bubblegum hypothesis 07 - deer ride 09 - rubiq Technical: no sample phrases(except breaks). just straight tracking/midi+sample editing using renoise(linux+win)/live plus your favorite (f)oss tools (csound/bristol/pd). I am currently working on the artwork+video. The whole stuff is released as CC, limited edition vinyl release + some official release bonuses are about to come in 2009. Take it, love it, share it, spread the word... do whatever you want. If you are up for a remix/other kinds of artwork, feel free to contact me. URL: http://karhumusic.sesser.at/lodsb-lazereyeslove.zip enjoy, lodsb/karhu From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 18:38:14 2008 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:38:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: > For regular 7-bit stuff, I'll be using a 16-input, 8-bit ADC. However, > in order to get higher resolutions for the 2 x 7-bit messages, I am > dropping analogue input in favour of rotary encoders. Nice. Are they optical? Suppose they must be. The Moog Source used optical rotary pots yonks ago to overcome numerous issues. What is their resolution? I always thought they were quite coarse since the optics has a limit on the width of the shadow being cast but that depends on how the comb wheel is etched and how the leds are aligned, admittedly you do have the benefit that you can just spin the dial to get higher resolution since they don't have a start or end point. You may still get noise depending on the scanning rate and line width - if the scanning rate is too slow you can get spurious direction changes since you only have a 2 bit grey coding. I would be very interested to hear your results, they are cool pieces of hardware. Regards, nick. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081202/2f66331e/attachment.htm From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 1 19:10:21 2008 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:10:21 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <20081202001021.6bacc9e4@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:38:14 +0100 Nick Copeland wrote: > > > For regular 7-bit stuff, I'll be using a 16-input, 8-bit ADC. However, > > in order to get higher resolutions for the 2 x 7-bit messages, I am > > dropping analogue input in favour of rotary encoders. > > Nice. Are they optical? Suppose they must be. The Moog Source used optical rotary pots yonks ago to overcome numerous issues. What is their resolution? I always thought they were quite coarse since the optics has a limit on the width of the shadow being cast but that depends on how the comb wheel is etched and how the leds are aligned, admittedly you do have the benefit that you can just spin the dial to get higher resolution since they don't have a start or end point. You may still get noise depending on the scanning rate and line width - if the scanning rate is too slow you can get spurious direction changes since you only have a 2 bit grey coding. I would be very interested to hear your results, they are cool pieces of hardware. > > Regards, nick. Grey code encoders are expensive for what they are. If you use an incremental encoder, resolutions go up to 5000 pulses per revolution. If you only want relative change and direction just use A & B In one direction A comes before B, and vice-versa. If you need absolute position, you get the index reference (designated N or Z) once every revolution. If you intend to use less than one revolution just make sure the index pulse is right in the middle of the most used range and have your software reset the value each time it's seen. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk From ken at restivo.org Mon Dec 1 23:22:13 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:22:13 -0800 Subject: [LAU] video <> sound synchronization In-Reply-To: <200811291714.23359.faber@faberman.de> References: <492E8E18.4020907@gmail.com> <492E9F25.4060907@gmx.net> <493169E4.7030400@gmail.com> <200811291714.23359.faber@faberman.de> Message-ID: <20081202042213.GA3199@aieee.restivo.org> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 05:14:23PM +0100, Florian Faber wrote: > Rosea, > > > > mplayer can do this. > > Do you know how? I can't find it. > > '+', '-' > > man mplayer > > But this won't help you if video and audio drift. It's a fixed offset. > > As an expeirment, over a year ago, I plugged my fretless guitar into my FastTrack Pro USB interface, loaded up Ardour on my laptop, set up a cheap digital camera to film, and simultaneously filmed and recorded myself playing some blues. It was an experiment to see how easy it would be to sync the Ardour-recorded audio up with the video, using Avidemux on Linux. Worked great and was quite simple to do. I posted the results here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuE2LWLXMc And, over the past year, that cheesy little off-hand experiment has been by far the most successful thing I've done musically *in my entire life*. 16,473 views so far-- more than any music I've ever made. I'm baffled. I have no idea why such a simple, unremarkable, and almost cliche'ed thing would have become so popular, but nonetheless it is, in defiance of all rationality. -ken From ken at restivo.org Mon Dec 1 23:41:27 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:41:27 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink Message-ID: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> Apparently there's this new thing called an IndiaMixx which is pretty much my Asus EEE pre-configured with a Linux Audio distro, Ardour, and EnergyXT (whatever that is). http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/26/indamixx-laptop-is-first-pre-configured-music-netbook-running-linux-499/ Looks pretty cool. -ken From frankpirrone at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 00:14:00 2008 From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:14:00 -0500 Subject: [LAU] video <> sound synchronization In-Reply-To: <20081202042213.GA3199@aieee.restivo.org> References: <492E8E18.4020907@gmail.com> <492E9F25.4060907@gmx.net> <493169E4.7030400@gmail.com> <200811291714.23359.faber@faberman.de> <20081202042213.GA3199@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4934C418.1020207@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Restivo wrote: > > As an expeirment, over a year ago, I plugged my fretless guitar into > my FastTrack Pro USB interface, loaded up Ardour on my laptop, set up > a cheap digital camera to film, and simultaneously filmed and > recorded myself playing some blues. It was an experiment to see how > easy it would be to sync the Ardour-recorded audio up with the video, > using Avidemux on Linux. Worked great and was quite simple to do. I > posted the results here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuE2LWLXMc > > And, over the past year, that cheesy little off-hand experiment has > been by far the most successful thing I've done musically *in my > entire life*. > > 16,473 views so far-- more than any music I've ever made. I'm > baffled. I have no idea why such a simple, unremarkable, and almost > cliche'ed thing would have become so popular, but nonetheless it is, > in defiance of all rationality. > > -ken I dunno, Ken. Greater departure from conventional than the groovy funkalicious stuff you've done on keyboard/bass? Blue LEDs could have been Herbie Hancock playing, but for as complimentary as that observation may be, folks have heard stuff like that before. Frank -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk0xBgACgkQhIzUKCTXcU26ogCcDDAAjKO0KQB/qPSa5Q8ZpNRt ZHwAoOJm+XfpsmW82jBDoywd2L/y/z7q =Dmcn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 2 00:29:36 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:29:36 -0800 Subject: [LAU] video <> sound synchronization In-Reply-To: <4934C418.1020207@gmail.com> References: <492E8E18.4020907@gmail.com> <492E9F25.4060907@gmx.net> <493169E4.7030400@gmail.com> <200811291714.23359.faber@faberman.de> <20081202042213.GA3199@aieee.restivo.org> <4934C418.1020207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081202052936.GE3199@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 12:14:00AM -0500, frank pirrone wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > > > As an expeirment, over a year ago, I plugged my fretless guitar into > > my FastTrack Pro USB interface, loaded up Ardour on my laptop, set up > > a cheap digital camera to film, and simultaneously filmed and > > recorded myself playing some blues. It was an experiment to see how > > easy it would be to sync the Ardour-recorded audio up with the video, > > using Avidemux on Linux. Worked great and was quite simple to do. I > > posted the results here: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuE2LWLXMc > > > > And, over the past year, that cheesy little off-hand experiment has > > been by far the most successful thing I've done musically *in my > > entire life*. > > > > 16,473 views so far-- more than any music I've ever made. I'm > > baffled. I have no idea why such a simple, unremarkable, and almost > > cliche'ed thing would have become so popular, but nonetheless it is, > > in defiance of all rationality. > > > > -ken > > I dunno, Ken. Greater departure from conventional than the groovy > funkalicious stuff you've done on keyboard/bass? > > Blue LEDs could have been Herbie Hancock playing, but for as > complimentary as that observation may be, folks have heard stuff like > that before. > Yeah, but that's my point. Blues is as old as the hills, and quite possibly ten times as common. There are great blues guitarists within hailing distance of practically everyone. Why anyone-- let alone 16,000 people-- would have wanted to hear me play blues, is a mystery to me. -ken From frankpirrone at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 00:39:02 2008 From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:39:02 -0500 Subject: [LAU] video <> sound synchronization In-Reply-To: <20081202052936.GE3199@aieee.restivo.org> References: <492E8E18.4020907@gmail.com> <492E9F25.4060907@gmx.net> <493169E4.7030400@gmail.com> <200811291714.23359.faber@faberman.de> <20081202042213.GA3199@aieee.restivo.org> <4934C418.1020207@gmail.com> <20081202052936.GE3199@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4934C9F6.8060306@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 12:14:00AM -0500, frank pirrone wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Ken Restivo wrote: >> >>> As an expeirment, over a year ago, I plugged my fretless guitar >>> into my FastTrack Pro USB interface, loaded up Ardour on my >>> laptop, set up a cheap digital camera to film, and simultaneously >>> filmed and recorded myself playing some blues. It was an >>> experiment to see how easy it would be to sync the >>> Ardour-recorded audio up with the video, using Avidemux on Linux. >>> Worked great and was quite simple to do. I posted the results >>> here: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuE2LWLXMc >>> >>> And, over the past year, that cheesy little off-hand experiment >>> has been by far the most successful thing I've done musically *in >>> my entire life*. >>> >>> 16,473 views so far-- more than any music I've ever made. I'm >>> baffled. I have no idea why such a simple, unremarkable, and >>> almost cliche'ed thing would have become so popular, but >>> nonetheless it is, in defiance of all rationality. >>> >>> -ken >> I dunno, Ken. Greater departure from conventional than the groovy >> funkalicious stuff you've done on keyboard/bass? >> >> Blue LEDs could have been Herbie Hancock playing, but for as >> complimentary as that observation may be, folks have heard stuff >> like that before. >> > > Yeah, but that's my point. > > Blues is as old as the hills, and quite possibly ten times as common. > There are great blues guitarists within hailing distance of > practically everyone. > > Why anyone-- let alone 16,000 people-- would have wanted to hear me > play blues, is a mystery to me. > > -ken > Sure, I know that. Actually, blues tunes and the ways they're played are 8.96 times as common as hills, but despite how common they are and the ubiquity of the players, I was intrigued by both your conversion of that cheap guitar to fretless and the interesting timbre of it as amplified. I also thought your playing was quirky, and thus the video was noteworthy for that a well. Still, I agree, that viewership is phenomenal. Hey...bask in the glory! Frank -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk0yfYACgkQhIzUKCTXcU1ZfQCfRAiJLLuWBacr0xQL+1dJlDJj TZoAn0KD+kwO16/FD7Gz7SMLn9KMjU6n =CJUW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fgraves525 at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 00:54:15 2008 From: fgraves525 at gmail.com (Francis Graves) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:54:15 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Looking for MIDI Sequencer for Ubuntu 8.04.1 (ASUS Eee Version) Message-ID: <752da6b50812012154o7de089e7n8a3d447d14215d1b@mail.gmail.com> Hello -- this is my first post so I hope I am not starting out asking the wrong types of questions. I recently purchased a ASUS 900 with a 16 GB SSD. As many people do, I also installed the special Ubuntu Eee netbook version. Does a simple multitrack MIDI sequencer exist in binary form that will install easily using the ASUS series Net Books? Piano roll editing is sufficient. I need about 480 ppq. I am trying to reduce my dependence on Windows and except for the audio software I am accomplishing this with this $299 US computer. I am an experienced user of music software and prefer recording my piano tracks in MIDI as although I am a fair player I am not perfect and software to go in a visually fix timing or note errors would be very helpful. I naturally am interested in other types of audio software and have been researching the variety that exists but for some reason a cheap and dirty MIDI sequencer does not jump out at me. Thanks for your help. Frank Graves Spring, TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081201/c6acf7d9/attachment.htm From gurusonic at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 02:01:37 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:01:37 +1100 Subject: [LAU] video <> sound synchronization In-Reply-To: <20081202042213.GA3199@aieee.restivo.org> References: <492E8E18.4020907@gmail.com> <492E9F25.4060907@gmx.net> <493169E4.7030400@gmail.com> <200811291714.23359.faber@faberman.de> <20081202042213.GA3199@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4934DD51.1080605@gmail.com> That's cool, Ken! Views: 16,506 now. ;) Ken Restivo wrote: > As an expeirment, over a year ago, I plugged my fretless guitar into my FastTrack Pro USB interface, loaded up Ardour on my laptop, set up a cheap digital camera to film, and simultaneously filmed and recorded myself playing some blues. It was an experiment to see how easy it would be to sync the Ardour-recorded audio up with the video, using Avidemux on Linux. Worked great and was quite simple to do. I posted the results here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuE2LWLXMc > > And, over the past year, that cheesy little off-hand experiment has been by far the most successful thing I've done musically *in my entire life*. > > 16,473 views so far-- more than any music I've ever made. I'm baffled. I have no idea why such a simple, unremarkable, and almost cliche'ed thing would have become so popular, but nonetheless it is, in defiance of all rationality. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From damon at karuna.eclipse.co.uk Tue Dec 2 04:38:09 2008 From: damon at karuna.eclipse.co.uk (Damon Chaplin) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:38:09 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1228210689.3120.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 21:23 +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: > for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a > good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam > US-122, good one? Other suggestions? The original US-122 may work with Linux after a bit of tweaking, e.g.: http://www.wlug.org.nz/TascamAudioInterface The newer US-122L has different hardware, and a driver has only recently been added to ALSA. I don't know how well it works. (I've got a US-122L and am pretty happy with it so far, but I haven't tried to get it working on Linux yet.) Damon From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Dec 2 07:07:46 2008 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] video <> sound synchronization In-Reply-To: <20081202052936.GE3199@aieee.restivo.org> References: <492E8E18.4020907@gmail.com> <4934C418.1020207@gmail.com> <20081202052936.GE3199@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <200812020707.47061.zotz@100jamz.com> On Tuesday 02 December 2008 00:29:36 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 12:14:00AM -0500, frank pirrone wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > As an expeirment, over a year ago, I plugged my fretless guitar into > > > my FastTrack Pro USB interface, loaded up Ardour on my laptop, set up > > > a cheap digital camera to film, and simultaneously filmed and > > > recorded myself playing some blues. It was an experiment to see how > > > easy it would be to sync the Ardour-recorded audio up with the video, > > > using Avidemux on Linux. Worked great and was quite simple to do. I > > > posted the results here: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuE2LWLXMc > > > > > > And, over the past year, that cheesy little off-hand experiment has > > > been by far the most successful thing I've done musically *in my > > > entire life*. > > > > > > 16,473 views so far-- more than any music I've ever made. I'm > > > baffled. I have no idea why such a simple, unremarkable, and almost > > > cliche'ed thing would have become so popular, but nonetheless it is, > > > in defiance of all rationality. > > > > > > -ken > > > > I dunno, Ken. Greater departure from conventional than the groovy > > funkalicious stuff you've done on keyboard/bass? > > > > Blue LEDs could have been Herbie Hancock playing, but for as > > complimentary as that observation may be, folks have heard stuff like > > that before. > > Yeah, but that's my point. > > Blues is as old as the hills, and quite possibly ten times as common. There > are great blues guitarists within hailing distance of practically everyone. > > Why anyone-- let alone 16,000 people-- would have wanted to hear me play > blues, is a mystery to me. It's just not that many people on the youtube scale of things. (I still think it might be fun for Packet In to try for a youtube hit...) Over 7,000 wanted to see my and my paper plane take on a UFO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnmzWrGoNrM and over 23,000 wanted to see me make a paper plane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1QealrmLk Mind you, I understand your puzzleation as I too can't figure why the popularities rank as they do for my stuff. > > -ken all the best, drew From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 08:21:58 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea grammostola) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:21:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Grammostola Rosea < rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote: > for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a > good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam > US-122, good one? Other suggestions? > > regards > > \r > thanks for the comments so far. any other suggestions please? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081202/9a413942/attachment.htm From fbar at footils.org Tue Dec 2 09:15:46 2008 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:15:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081202141546.GK18987@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Grammostola Rosea hat gesagt: // Grammostola Rosea wrote: > for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a > good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam > US-122, good one? Other suggestions? Search here: http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/ Generally almost all USB-1.1 devices work, only some older M-Audio stuff is hairy. Some Tascams required a special driver: snd-usb-usx2y and special firmware, these are a bit trickier to setup, and you need to do it on every machine you want to run it on. It's up to your friend if he's willing to do that. Devices by Edirol and Terratec are some save alternatives without firmware hassles. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__ From bradallenfuller at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 10:58:35 2008 From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:58:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > Apparently there's this new thing called an IndiaMixx which is pretty much my Asus EEE pre-configured with a Linux Audio distro, Ardour, and EnergyXT (whatever that is). > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/26/indamixx-laptop-is-first-pre-configured-music-netbook-running-linux-499/ Very under powered ->> 1.6Ghz Intel Atom CPU If it's like the other netbooks, the keyboard is a bit smaller too with a 9" or 10" screen. Definitely cute and useful in certain situations. IMHO, this computer is good for taking (text) notes in class. You could also get the same machine for $375 (someplaces $345) and install your own distro and audio apps. I helped a friend install Ubuntu on an AspireOne - which is how I learned about it's performance (and lots of scrolling around to read.) -- Brad Fuller From gg3137 at vegri.net Tue Dec 2 11:50:12 2008 From: gg3137 at vegri.net (Giso Grimm) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:50:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <49356744.7040704@vegri.net> Brad Fuller wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: >> Apparently there's this new thing called an IndiaMixx which is pretty much my Asus EEE pre-configured with a Linux Audio distro, Ardour, and EnergyXT (whatever that is). >> >> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/11/26/indamixx-laptop-is-first-pre-configured-music-netbook-running-linux-499/ > > Very under powered ->> 1.6Ghz Intel Atom CPU > If it's like the other netbooks, the keyboard is a bit smaller too > with a 9" or 10" screen. > > Definitely cute and useful in certain situations. IMHO, this computer > is good for taking (text) notes in class. You could also get the same > machine for $375 (someplaces $345) and install your own distro and > audio apps. I helped a friend install Ubuntu on an AspireOne - which > is how I learned about it's performance (and lots of scrolling around > to read.) > Recently I measured the CPU load and battery run time of some low-delay audio DSP on an Asus Eee PC 701 (Intel Celeron M, 630 MHz), and on an Acer Aspire one (Intel Atom 1.6 GHz). The time spent in the CPU was pretty much the same for both systems, and the battery runtime was between 3 and 3 1/2 hours on the Asus (Celeron) and 2 1/2 hours on the Acer (Atom). Here is the data: algo1 Asus: 56.4% CPU, 3h14' battery Acer: 51.0% CPU, 2h28' battery P4: 20.5% CPU algo2 Asus: 49.8% CPU, 3h16' battery Acer: 47.5% CPU, 2h09' battery P4: 16.5% CPU algo3 Asus: 36.5% CPU, 3h22' battery Acer: 35.0% CPU, 2h27' battery P4: 13.0% CPU jackd Asus: 6.0% CPU Acer: 4.8% CPU P4: 2.2% CPU Sound card IRQ handler Asus: 4.5% CPU Acer: 4.2% CPU P4: 1.0% CPU (network interface with netjack) P4 is Intel Pentium 4 @ 3 GHz. I know this is no perfect benchmarking, but gives an idea of the processor performance. Giso From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 11:54:24 2008 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:54:24 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Looking for MIDI Sequencer for Ubuntu 8.04.1 (ASUS Eee Version) In-Reply-To: <752da6b50812012154o7de089e7n8a3d447d14215d1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <752da6b50812012154o7de089e7n8a3d447d14215d1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48d2154d0812020854ia6cee6cu53808d449cef0a4@mail.gmail.com> If you don't need a standard looking midi sequencer, I would strongly recommend seq24 (recently updated and mentioned on this list). Otherwise, qtractor should do the job. I would have said that rosegarden or muse would be overkill (and might not run that well), but it might be worth you looking at those too.. I think all of those are available in the Ubuntu repositories. They may not be the latest versions although they should be perfectly usable - you might need to "roll your own" for the latest features. James On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:54 AM, Francis Graves wrote: > Hello -- this is my first post so I hope I am not starting out asking the > wrong types of questions. I recently purchased a ASUS 900 with a 16 GB SSD. > As many people do, I also installed the special Ubuntu Eee netbook version. > > Does a simple multitrack MIDI sequencer exist in binary form that will > install easily using the ASUS series Net Books? > > Piano roll editing is sufficient. I need about 480 ppq. I am trying to > reduce my dependence on Windows and except for the audio software I am > accomplishing this with this $299 US computer. > > I am an experienced user of music software and prefer recording my piano > tracks in MIDI as although I am a fair player I am not perfect and software > to go in a visually fix timing or note errors would be very helpful. > > I naturally am interested in other types of audio software and have been > researching the variety that exists but for some reason a cheap and dirty > MIDI sequencer does not jump out at me. > > Thanks for your help. > > Frank Graves > Spring, TX > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 16:14:09 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:14:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <20081202141546.GK18987@fliwatut.scifi> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> <20081202141546.GK18987@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <4935A521.5020708@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Grammostola Rosea hat gesagt: // Grammostola Rosea wrote: > > >> for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a >> good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam >> US-122, good one? Other suggestions? >> > > Search here: http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/ > > Generally almost all USB-1.1 devices work, only some older M-Audio > stuff is hairy. > > Some Tascams required a special driver: snd-usb-usx2y and special > firmware, these are a bit trickier to setup, and you need to do it on > every machine you want to run it on. It's up to your friend if he's > willing to do that. > > Devices by Edirol and Terratec are some save alternatives without > firmware hassles. > > Ciao > Thanks very helpful From challinan at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 15:37:56 2008 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:37:56 -0500 Subject: [LAU] rythmbox breaks jack connection after each track Message-ID: With help from users on this list, I finally got my Ubuntu 8.04 installation playing audio through my Edirol FA-101 into my studio amp, etc. However, Rythmbox only shows up in Jack's connections dialog after the "Play" function has been invoked. At the completion of each track, the connections are removed, and while Rythmbox continues to play, no audio is heard until I manually connect Rythmbox to again to my playback device. Is there a way to make this connection persistent? I don't see this behavior with other apps, such as rosegarden or ardour. Thanks, Chris -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still http://www.embeddedlinuxprimer.com From nescivi at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 16:41:10 2008 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:41:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <200812011226.10619.nescivi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812021641.10373.nescivi@gmail.com> On Monday 01 December 2008 13:29:03 Tim Blechmann wrote: > >> > Is anyone interested in an Open Source MIDI control surface? > >> > >> interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... > >> i would be curious, if someone has some experience with > >> higher-precision adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) > >> provide 10-bit adcs, while i'd be interested in getting a higher > >> resolution ... does anyone have experience with interfacing a > >> microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an external high-resolution adc? > > > > Are you sure you need it? > > How much noise do you have on your analog sensor? > > well, 10 bit is ok, but i would prefer a more accurate resolution. That's not what I am getting at. If your sensor's analog output value has less than 0.097656 % (1/1024 * 100%) noise, then, yes, you need a more accurate ADC. Otherwise there is no point. sincerely, Marije From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Tue Dec 2 16:54:10 2008 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:54:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Matthew Smith wrote: > Hi Tim > > > interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i > > would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision > > adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, > > while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone > > have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an > > external high-resolution adc? > > For regular 7-bit stuff, I'll be using a 16-input, 8-bit ADC. However, > in order to get higher resolutions for the 2 x 7-bit messages, I am > dropping analogue input in favour of rotary encoders. > > The encoders that I will be using (currently on their way from China) > output a 2-bit Gray code, meaning that I can read 4 of them > simultaneously using a single port. (I'll actually be using 8 in a 4 x > 2 matrix, scanning them just like a keypad.) $16 USD for 10 - quite a > lot cheaper than pots! > > If your input has to be analogue, ADCs are available with many different > interfaces - synchronous serial (like the TI ones I'll be using), SPI, > I2C and byte-wide, which can be accessed like external memory. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned midibox.org yet. They have everything you need to make your own control surface, and it's all GPLed. There are links there about midifying pipe organs and assorted other things. One guy turned a sofa into a midi controller. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From fons at kokkinizita.net Tue Dec 2 17:28:56 2008 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: <200812021641.10373.nescivi@gmail.com> References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <200812011226.10619.nescivi@gmail.com> <200812021641.10373.nescivi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081202222856.GE3009@zita2.kokkinizita.net> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 04:41:10PM -0500, nescivi wrote: > > well, 10 bit is ok, but i would prefer a more accurate resolution. > > That's not what I am getting at. > If your sensor's analog output value has less than 0.097656 % (1/1024 * 100%) > noise, then, yes, you need a more accurate ADC. Otherwise there is no point. Depends on the noise bandwidth and sample rate. A simple 2nd order, critically damped LPF can do wonders. If you buffer the sensor with an opamp, this takes just two resistors and two condensors. I'd use it anyway. Ciao, -- FA Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica Parma, Italia Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Dec 2 18:32:37 2008 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] rythmbox breaks jack connection after each track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200812021832.37484.zotz@100jamz.com> On Tuesday 02 December 2008 15:37:56 Chris Hallinan wrote: > With help from users on this list, I finally got my Ubuntu 8.04 > installation playing audio through my Edirol FA-101 into my studio > amp, etc. > > However, Rythmbox only shows up in Jack's connections dialog after the > "Play" function has been invoked. At the completion of each track, > the connections are removed, and while Rythmbox continues to play, no > audio is heard until I manually connect Rythmbox to again to my > playback device. I am not seeing this exact behavior. Similar, but without the problems. I get the removed connections between tracks as you say, but when the subsequent track begins playing, the connections are made again. JACK Audio Connection Kit - Qt GUI Interface Version: 0.3.2 Build: Feb 8 2008 04:48:37 Rhythmbox 0.11.5 I basically never use rhythmbox so this is the way it works for me out of the box. > > Is there a way to make this connection persistent? I don't see this > behavior with other apps, such as rosegarden or ardour. If you can't get results in any other way, try the patchbay in qjackctl perhaps... > > Thanks, > > Chris all the best, drew From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Dec 2 18:37:41 2008 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:37:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Rhythmbox, Jamendo, filter by license? Message-ID: <200812021837.41339.zotz@100jamz.com> Since I fired up rhythmbox to try and answer a question here, I see rhythmbox can play from the Jamendo library. For a project I am working on, it would be helpful if I could choose a few licenses to limit the play to. A few genres to while I am dreaming. Does anyone know if this is possible somehow? all the best, drew From matt at smiffytech.com Tue Dec 2 18:49:33 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:19:33 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Rhythmbox, Jamendo, filter by license? In-Reply-To: <200812021837.41339.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <200812021837.41339.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: <4935C98D.4080201@smiffytech.com> Quoth drew Roberts at 2008-12-03 10:07... > For a project I am working on, it would be helpful if I could choose a few > licenses to limit the play to. A few genres to while I am dreaming. I'm not sure that I fully understand your question but: Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From gurusonic at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 19:55:18 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:55:18 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: <49356744.7040704@vegri.net> References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> <49356744.7040704@vegri.net> Message-ID: <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> Giso Grimm wrote: > > Recently I measured the CPU load and battery run time of some low-delay > audio DSP on an Asus Eee PC 701 (Intel Celeron M, 630 MHz), and on an > Acer Aspire one (Intel Atom 1.6 GHz). The time spent in the CPU was > pretty much the same for both systems, and the battery runtime was > between 3 and 3 1/2 hours on the Asus (Celeron) and 2 1/2 hours on the > Acer (Atom). Here is the data: > > algo1 > Asus: 56.4% CPU, 3h14' battery > Acer: 51.0% CPU, 2h28' battery > P4: 20.5% CPU > algo2 > Asus: 49.8% CPU, 3h16' battery > Acer: 47.5% CPU, 2h09' battery > P4: 16.5% CPU > algo3 > Asus: 36.5% CPU, 3h22' battery > Acer: 35.0% CPU, 2h27' battery > P4: 13.0% CPU > > jackd > Asus: 6.0% CPU > Acer: 4.8% CPU > P4: 2.2% CPU > > Sound card IRQ handler > Asus: 4.5% CPU > Acer: 4.2% CPU > P4: 1.0% CPU (network interface with netjack) > > P4 is Intel Pentium 4 @ 3 GHz. I know this is no perfect benchmarking, > but gives an idea of the processor performance. > > > Giso > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > Did the Acer have HDD or SSD? Could make the difference in battery time. or different battery capacity? I ran super_pi 20 to test basic CPU number crunching on my Core2Duo E6400 and EeePC900 (Sidux on both systems).:- EeePC - 71secs C2D - 18.5secs From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 2 20:14:20 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:14:20 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> <49356744.7040704@vegri.net> <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081203011420.GA3061@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:55:18AM +1100, Roger E wrote: > > > Giso Grimm wrote: > > > > Recently I measured the CPU load and battery run time of some low-delay > > audio DSP on an Asus Eee PC 701 (Intel Celeron M, 630 MHz), and on an > > Acer Aspire one (Intel Atom 1.6 GHz). The time spent in the CPU was > > pretty much the same for both systems, and the battery runtime was > > between 3 and 3 1/2 hours on the Asus (Celeron) and 2 1/2 hours on the > > Acer (Atom). Here is the data: > > > > algo1 > > Asus: 56.4% CPU, 3h14' battery > > Acer: 51.0% CPU, 2h28' battery > > P4: 20.5% CPU > > algo2 > > Asus: 49.8% CPU, 3h16' battery > > Acer: 47.5% CPU, 2h09' battery > > P4: 16.5% CPU > > algo3 > > Asus: 36.5% CPU, 3h22' battery > > Acer: 35.0% CPU, 2h27' battery > > P4: 13.0% CPU > > > > jackd > > Asus: 6.0% CPU > > Acer: 4.8% CPU > > P4: 2.2% CPU > > > > Sound card IRQ handler > > Asus: 4.5% CPU > > Acer: 4.2% CPU > > P4: 1.0% CPU (network interface with netjack) > > > > P4 is Intel Pentium 4 @ 3 GHz. I know this is no perfect benchmarking, > > but gives an idea of the processor performance. > > > > > > Giso > > > Did the Acer have HDD or SSD? Could make the difference in battery time. > or different battery capacity? > I ran super_pi 20 to test basic CPU number crunching on my Core2Duo > E6400 and EeePC900 (Sidux on both systems).:- > EeePC - 71secs > C2D - 18.5secs Awesome statistic work! Is there some kind of a JACKstone metric that would be useful for measuring Linux RT audio performance in some kind of pseudo-standardized way? It seems like a lot of the metrics are kind of fuzzy "I was able to run Ardour with 16 tracks for an hour with no Xruns", or some such. In my case, I'm interested only in softsynth CPU capability with low (128us/3periods) Ingo-RT latency on a USB interface. -ken From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 2 20:25:32 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:25:32 -0800 Subject: [LAU] video <> sound synchronization In-Reply-To: <200812020707.47061.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <492E8E18.4020907@gmail.com> <4934C418.1020207@gmail.com> <20081202052936.GE3199@aieee.restivo.org> <200812020707.47061.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: <20081203012532.GA3117@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:07:46AM -0500, drew Roberts wrote: > On Tuesday 02 December 2008 00:29:36 Ken Restivo wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 12:14:00AM -0500, frank pirrone wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > > As an expeirment, over a year ago, I plugged my fretless guitar into > > > > my FastTrack Pro USB interface, loaded up Ardour on my laptop, set up > > > > a cheap digital camera to film, and simultaneously filmed and > > > > recorded myself playing some blues. It was an experiment to see how > > > > easy it would be to sync the Ardour-recorded audio up with the video, > > > > using Avidemux on Linux. Worked great and was quite simple to do. I > > > > posted the results here: > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZuE2LWLXMc > > > > > > > > And, over the past year, that cheesy little off-hand experiment has > > > > been by far the most successful thing I've done musically *in my > > > > entire life*. > > > > > > > > 16,473 views so far-- more than any music I've ever made. I'm > > > > baffled. I have no idea why such a simple, unremarkable, and almost > > > > cliche'ed thing would have become so popular, but nonetheless it is, > > > > in defiance of all rationality. > > > > > > > > -ken > > > > > > I dunno, Ken. Greater departure from conventional than the groovy > > > funkalicious stuff you've done on keyboard/bass? > > > > > > Blue LEDs could have been Herbie Hancock playing, but for as > > > complimentary as that observation may be, folks have heard stuff like > > > that before. > > > > Yeah, but that's my point. > > > > Blues is as old as the hills, and quite possibly ten times as common. There > > are great blues guitarists within hailing distance of practically everyone. > > > > Why anyone-- let alone 16,000 people-- would have wanted to hear me play > > blues, is a mystery to me. > > It's just not that many people on the youtube scale of things. (I still think > it might be fun for Packet In to try for a youtube hit...) > > Over 7,000 wanted to see my and my paper plane take on a UFO: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnmzWrGoNrM > > and over 23,000 wanted to see me make a paper plane: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1QealrmLk > > Mind you, I understand your puzzleation as I too can't figure why the > popularities rank as they do for my stuff. > > > That's hilarious. And exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. I guess that explanation makes sense. Maybe YouTube's viewership is just so insanely huge that even mundane things get huge viewerships. But then again, I'm confused. Paper airplanes and blues guitar get huge viewershihps, but stuff that people really work on getting right and spend money on, gets no viewership? I have friends who've put big money and time into YouTube stuff and gotten nowhere with it. So it just doesn't compute. Sure, make a video of one of the Packet In songs and put it up there. I'd reckon that you have some nice scenery around where you live that'd make a good video backdrop. -ken From cimo75 at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 21:16:45 2008 From: cimo75 at gmail.com (simone-www.io-lab.org) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:16:45 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:54 PM, David Griffith wrote: > On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Matthew Smith wrote: > >> Hi Tim >> >> > interesting thread as i am working on a control-surface myself atm ... i >> > would be curious, if someone has some experience with higher-precision >> > adc? most io boards i know (arduino/makingthings) provide 10-bit adcs, >> > while i'd be interested in getting a higher resolution ... does anyone >> > have experience with interfacing a microcontroller (e.g. arduino) with an >> > external high-resolution adc? >> >> For regular 7-bit stuff, I'll be using a 16-input, 8-bit ADC. However, >> in order to get higher resolutions for the 2 x 7-bit messages, I am >> dropping analogue input in favour of rotary encoders. >> >> The encoders that I will be using (currently on their way from China) >> output a 2-bit Gray code, meaning that I can read 4 of them >> simultaneously using a single port. (I'll actually be using 8 in a 4 x >> 2 matrix, scanning them just like a keypad.) $16 USD for 10 - quite a >> lot cheaper than pots! >> >> If your input has to be analogue, ADCs are available with many different >> interfaces - synchronous serial (like the TI ones I'll be using), SPI, >> I2C and byte-wide, which can be accessed like external memory. > > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned midibox.org yet. They have everything > you need to make your own control surface, and it's all GPLed. There are > links there about midifying pipe organs and assorted other things. One > guy turned a sofa into a midi controller. I think you should read the entire post ;) btw the sofa guy is known as Seppoman, i am the lucky owner of some of his analog filter boards > > > -- > David Griffith > dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu > > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be accepted and/or viewed.... From dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu Tue Dec 2 21:32:56 2008 From: dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu (David Griffith) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:32:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Open Source MIDI control surface In-Reply-To: References: <492DF155.9010105@smiffytech.com> <493459F4.2070505@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, simone-www.io-lab.org wrote: > I think you should read the entire post ;) > btw the sofa guy is known as Seppoman, i am the lucky owner of some of > his analog filter boards Ah yes. I'm known as "Davo" on those forums, btw. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? From bradallenfuller at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 23:19:05 2008 From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:19:05 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> <49356744.7040704@vegri.net> <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Roger E wrote: > > Did the Acer have HDD or SSD? HDD Could make the difference in battery time. or > different battery capacity? > I ran super_pi 20 to test basic CPU number crunching on my Core2Duo E6400 > and EeePC900 (Sidux on both systems).:- > EeePC - 71secs > C2D - 18.5secs I don't have the machine to do any tests. Obviously, my opinion comes empirically. -- Brad Fuller From gg3137 at vegri.net Wed Dec 3 03:06:28 2008 From: gg3137 at vegri.net (Giso Grimm) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:06:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> <49356744.7040704@vegri.net> <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49363E04.7020100@vegri.net> Roger E wrote: > > > Giso Grimm wrote: >> >> Recently I measured the CPU load and battery run time of some low-delay >> audio DSP on an Asus Eee PC 701 (Intel Celeron M, 630 MHz), and on an >> Acer Aspire one (Intel Atom 1.6 GHz). The time spent in the CPU was >> pretty much the same for both systems, and the battery runtime was >> between 3 and 3 1/2 hours on the Asus (Celeron) and 2 1/2 hours on the >> Acer (Atom). Here is the data: >> >> algo1 >> Asus: 56.4% CPU, 3h14' battery >> Acer: 51.0% CPU, 2h28' battery >> P4: 20.5% CPU >> algo2 >> Asus: 49.8% CPU, 3h16' battery >> Acer: 47.5% CPU, 2h09' battery >> P4: 16.5% CPU >> algo3 >> Asus: 36.5% CPU, 3h22' battery >> Acer: 35.0% CPU, 2h27' battery >> P4: 13.0% CPU >> >> jackd >> Asus: 6.0% CPU >> Acer: 4.8% CPU >> P4: 2.2% CPU >> >> Sound card IRQ handler >> Asus: 4.5% CPU >> Acer: 4.2% CPU >> P4: 1.0% CPU (network interface with netjack) >> >> P4 is Intel Pentium 4 @ 3 GHz. I know this is no perfect benchmarking, >> but gives an idea of the processor performance. >> >> >> > Did the Acer have HDD or SSD? Could make the difference in battery time. > or different battery capacity? > I ran super_pi 20 to test basic CPU number crunching on my Core2Duo > E6400 and EeePC900 (Sidux on both systems).:- > EeePC - 71secs > C2D - 18.5secs In my tests both used SSD (the Asus an SSD and additional SD card), and the lid was closed. The Acer battery says 11.1 V, 2400 mAh, 45 Wh (well, if I multiply capacity and voltage I get 26.6 Wh) Asus Eee PC 700: 7.4 V, 5200 mAh (this should be 38.5 Wh) Please note that the Asus in my test was the "old" small one with a Intel Celeron M. Both hosted an USB soundcard (custom-made hearing aid research sound card with 4 inputs and 2 outputs), jack was running at 32 kHz and 64 samples/block. The CPU clock was manually switched to maximum, and both hosted UbuntuStudio 8.04 with a 2.6.24-rt kernel, and rtirq installed and configured. I was interessted in the low-delay DSP performance. Desktop performance of the Acer/Atom is definitely better. "standard" benchmarks say little about the real-life audio performance (I observed similar with a VIA Eden board, VIA Esther CPU at 1.2 GHz: The low delay DSP performance is nearly as good as on my P4, but of course everything else is much slower, even "normal" floating point processing. The fan-less VIA is a perfect system for hosting ardour & multichannel recording...). Giso From hollunder at gmx.at Wed Dec 3 07:03:48 2008 From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:03:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> Message-ID: <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:13:38 +0100 torbenh at gmx.de wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29:15AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Yesterday I tried with a friend of mine to synchronize our > > computers with a simple midi cable. > > We just want to make music together, and synchronize, the transport > > AND the tempo with a Master and a Slave. > > > > After hours and hours of tests, we just made the transport sync > > works. But we couldn't sync the tempo. > > > > Someone told me on the #LAD IRC, about netjack, but it seems to be > > to "loud" for what we want to do. > > can you explain loud ? > > > > In fact, most of the softs can sync themself each other with JACK > > transport, but can't send Midi Time Code to the midi out. > > so why not use netjack ? > grab current jack release and go. > > it now works over wireless. use celt codec to > reduce bitrate. should give you 4channels in both directions easiely. > and i guess you only want 8 channels in one direction. > > > And when we even they can send Midi Time Code, it can't be sync > > with jack transport on the other computer. > > > > The top would be to find a soft which can act as a bridge between > > Midi Time Code and Jack Transport. like for exemple : > > > > First Computer : Seq24 -> Midi Time Code send to Midi out of the > > Sound card. Second computer : -> Midi Time Code received in the > > Midi In -> bridge on JackTransport -> and then each softs could be > > sync. > > > > The other solution : > > > > First Computer : Seq24 -> JACK Transport -> BRIDGEto Midi Time Code > > send to Midi out of the Sound card. > > Second computer : -> Midi Time Code received in the Midi In -> > > BRIDGE to JACKTransport -> and then each softs could be sync. > > > > Is someone knows a simple solution ? > > I am a bit disapointed > > netjack. > its even sample accurate. But is the lossy codec (celt) a good idea for a LAN? From mysthr21 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 08:02:53 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:02:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> Message-ID: <907c05c70812030502o459caaa9w6bd6580b4f191f8a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Sorry for my late answer 2008/11/30 > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29:15AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Yesterday I tried with a friend of mine to synchronize our computers with > a > > simple midi cable. > > We just want to make music together, and synchronize, the transport AND > the > > tempo with a Master and a Slave. > > > > After hours and hours of tests, we just made the transport sync works. > But > > we couldn't sync the tempo. > > > > Someone told me on the #LAD IRC, about netjack, but it seems to be to > "loud" > > for what we want to do. > > can you explain loud ? Sorry for my bad english. I meant loud in the sense of to complicated, difficult. Because it is so simple with a midi cable. You wire it, and press play. and everything is ok. > > > > > In fact, most of the softs can sync themself each other with JACK > transport, > > but can't send Midi Time Code to the midi out. > > so why not use netjack ? > grab current jack release and go. I understood that the slave computer using netjack backend can't use audio, or through alsa_out and alsa_in. I own a firewire sound card, so I think this is not possible for me... is it ? > > > it now works over wireless. use celt codec to > reduce bitrate. should give you 4channels in both directions easiely. > and i guess you only want 8 channels in one direction. Does it offers good performances ? latencies speaking ? I can't really imagine how it works. and how to implement this solution. > > > > And when we even they can send Midi Time Code, it can't be sync with jack > > transport on the other computer. > > > > The top would be to find a soft which can act as a bridge between Midi > Time > > Code and Jack Transport. like for exemple : > > > > First Computer : Seq24 -> Midi Time Code send to Midi out of the Sound > card. > > Second computer : -> Midi Time Code received in the Midi In -> bridge on > > JackTransport -> and then each softs could be sync. > > > > The other solution : > > > > First Computer : Seq24 -> JACK Transport -> BRIDGEto Midi Time Code send > to > > Midi out of the Sound card. > > Second computer : -> Midi Time Code received in the Midi In -> BRIDGE to > > JACKTransport -> and then each softs could be sync. > > > > Is someone knows a simple solution ? > > I am a bit disapointed > > netjack. > its even sample accurate. > By the way, Seq24 developpement is bakc, and I saw that midi slave feature is planned. 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URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081203/2df2ad49/attachment.htm From rhkramer at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 08:24:45 2008 From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:24:45 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: <49363E04.7020100@vegri.net> References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> <49363E04.7020100@vegri.net> Message-ID: <200812030824.47338.rhkramer@gmail.com> On Wednesday 03 December 2008 03:06 am, Giso Grimm wrote: > In my tests both used SSD (the Asus an SSD and additional SD card), and > the lid was closed. The Acer battery says > > 11.1 V, 2400 mAh, 45 Wh (well, if I multiply capacity and voltage I get > 26.6 Wh) I should know more about batteries but I wonder if there is some sort of phenomena that limits the current output--what I mean is, maybe the peak current output is 2400 mAh, but maybe it can do that (or some fraction of that on sort of a decreasing curve) for more than 1 hour? Of course, the counterexample to that would be a dead short on the battery, which I'm quite certain will draw more than 2400 mAh. But even then, after a brief dead short followed by a rest, won't the battery recover and be able to deliver some more power (assuming the battery is not destroyed by the dead short). I should do some googling, but I can't commit to having the time, atm. > Asus Eee PC 700: > > 7.4 V, 5200 mAh (this should be 38.5 Wh) Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Dec 3 11:12:57 2008 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:12:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <4936B009.7010206@linuxuse.de> hollunder at gmx.at schrieb: > On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:13:38 +0100 > torbenh at gmx.de wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29:15AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Yesterday I tried with a friend of mine to synchronize our >>> computers with a simple midi cable. Try aseqnet: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/man/man1/aseqnet.1.html it works just great and you dont even need a MIDI-cable. best regs HZN From mysthr21 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 11:55:32 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:55:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <4936B009.7010206@linuxuse.de> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <4936B009.7010206@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <907c05c70812030855x39417988m9d7f92fb6c582a2a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/3 Hartmut Noack > hollunder at gmx.at schrieb: > > On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:13:38 +0100 > > torbenh at gmx.de wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29:15AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Yesterday I tried with a friend of mine to synchronize our > >>> computers with a simple midi cable. > > Try aseqnet: > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/man/man1/aseqnet.1.html > > it works just great and you dont even need a MIDI-cable. > > Did you try it ? I think the problem always the same. It should be ok for the transport, but not for the tempo. Seq24 and rosegarden do not accpet to be slave (tempo speaking). Museseq-2.0 has the possibility to be midi slave but it doesn't work on my computer. This is a developpement version. so I guess this feature is broken for now. Cheers, Mysth-R -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081203/551918f1/attachment.htm From toby at tobiah.org Wed Dec 3 12:11:25 2008 From: toby at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:11:25 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Good usb device In-Reply-To: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> References: <493447C0.6020605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4936BDBD.2030003@tobiah.org> > for a laptop with only usb support, a friend of mine is searching for a > good supported usb device for linux... he was thinking about the Tascam > US-122, good one? Other suggestions? I have the US-122. They are pretty cheap on ebay now. The mic preamps are transparent and unusually quiet. As was mentioned, you have to load firmware... it takes an hour of surfing and tinkering to get it to work. This worked with my old Dell, but it broke, and I got a newer IBM thinkpad on ebay. I think it was an 800MHz PentiumII or III. I could never get the US-122 to work with the onboard USB. The sound was very choppy. I tried a PCMCIA USB card, thinking it might be the USB controller, but it wasn't quite able to fully power the unit. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Dec 3 12:25:15 2008 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:25:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <907c05c70812030855x39417988m9d7f92fb6c582a2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <4936B009.7010206@linuxuse.de> <907c05c70812030855x39417988m9d7f92fb6c582a2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4936C0FB.70002@linuxuse.de> Mysth-R schrieb: > 2008/12/3 Hartmut Noack > > I think the problem always the same. It should be ok for the transport, but > not for the tempo. > Seq24 and rosegarden do not accpet to be slave (tempo speaking). Both do for me (though RG not very stable) if they run as slave and Ardour is master... Seq24 follows tempo change automation in Ardour seamlessly... best regs HZN From mysthr21 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 13:31:40 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:31:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <4936C0FB.70002@linuxuse.de> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <4936B009.7010206@linuxuse.de> <907c05c70812030855x39417988m9d7f92fb6c582a2a@mail.gmail.com> <4936C0FB.70002@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <907c05c70812031031o43aa086bu5d2ee933b92a3546@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/3 Hartmut Noack > Mysth-R schrieb: > >> 2008/12/3 Hartmut Noack >> >> > I think the problem always the same. It should be ok for the transport, >> but >> not for the tempo. >> Seq24 and rosegarden do not accpet to be slave (tempo speaking). >> > > Both do for me (though RG not very stable) if they run as slave and Ardour > is master... Seq24 follows tempo change automation in Ardour seamlessly... > > best regs > HZN > Ok thank you for sharing your experience. So I will try aseqnet. -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081203/22c7d094/attachment.htm From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Wed Dec 3 14:07:39 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:07:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's "Gigsaw": 3d draft. Message-ID: <4936D8FB.3010904@free.fr> Hi all, As you see, i come back to the "Gigsaw". -Hey, say... man! What is it, then? Gigsaw or Jigsaw? It's rather unstable... your releases! -Oh yes, Sir! Surely because since i saw this "grande gigue", i dance it, the jig! PS. "grande gigue" = beanpole of a girl. Nevertheless you find the 3d draft here: http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article36 For the first time, there are the BLUES-patterns with velocities. You'll be able to see that some velocities doesn't correspond to the Lilypond source. Who is the culprit? Is it me who pushes the Midi in an extreme way with 8 tracks on the same channel? Is it Lilypond which doesn't encode very well the CC7 on each track? Is it Mididings which doesn't read very well the messages? Don't be afraid, it isn't a huge issue at the present time. For those ones who are interested I have also put on my site a try of each separate track and its transformation. But the results are the same. http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article49 Anyway i can live with it. These are only little drawbacks. Also the Base which will be used by the ones who want to write from scratch has completely changed. In the next releases i'll add some flams and drags with after beat. From Neanderthal to contemporary music, now you can play like a Free Artist a game of percussions. Then, Gigsaw or Jigsaw? I get lost. Is it meaningfull for you?. Tell me otherwise i'll go to a psychoanalyst. (open source of course, i know one of them) -Hey man! Don't play too much with this game... Have fun. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From gurusonic at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 17:54:42 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:54:42 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink In-Reply-To: <200812030824.47338.rhkramer@gmail.com> References: <20081202044127.GC3199@aieee.restivo.org> <4935D8F6.4080805@gmail.com> <49363E04.7020100@vegri.net> <200812030824.47338.rhkramer@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49370E32.5000401@gmail.com> Randy Kramer wrote: > On Wednesday 03 December 2008 03:06 am, Giso Grimm wrote: > >> In my tests both used SSD (the Asus an SSD and additional SD card), >> > and > >> the lid was closed. The Acer battery says >> >> 11.1 V, 2400 mAh, 45 Wh (well, if I multiply capacity and voltage I >> > get > >> 26.6 Wh) >> > > I should know more about batteries but I wonder if there is some sort of > phenomena that limits the current output--what I mean is, maybe the > peak current output is 2400 mAh, but maybe it can do that (or some > fraction of that on sort of a decreasing curve) for more than 1 hour? > Current is measured in mA. mAh denotes capacity. ie. a 2400mah battery should deliver 2400 mA for 1 hr, or 1200 mA for 2 hrs etc. > Of course, the counterexample to that would be a dead short on the > battery, which I'm quite certain will draw more than 2400 mAh. But > even then, after a brief dead short followed by a rest, won't the > battery recover and be able to deliver some more power (assuming the > battery is not destroyed by the dead short). > Just don't do it. :) Lithium batteries will overheat and possibly catch fire or even explode. I fly RC helicopters using LiPo batteries. You can find videos on YewToob of this happening. LiIon batteries in computers are not so volatile, but not immune either. Fires have been recorded and millions have been recalled/replaced by manufacturers in the past for safety reasons. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Dec 3 20:16:41 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:16:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels In-Reply-To: <20080715170519.219c11a1@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> (hollunder@gmx.at's message of "Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:05:19 +0200") References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> <878ww4zbaz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <20080715170519.219c11a1@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <87abbckadi.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> writes: > What are the benefits? Well, you need to digitize as immediate as possible, because only then can you be assured you haven't introduced any noise into your signal. -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Dec 3 20:18:28 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:18:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ubuntu Hard real time kernel (2.6.24-21) poor performance. In-Reply-To: <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano's message of "Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:47:54 -0700") References: <1224836996.7085.0.camel@TOMO001> <873aimm0cp.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <871vwokaaj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano writes: > Something must have changed/improved since then. Well, it surely doesn't seem like that, since no rt kernel has been released after the detonation. -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Dec 3 19:44:27 2008 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:44:27 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ubuntu Hard real time kernel (2.6.24-21) poor performance. In-Reply-To: <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1224836996.7085.0.camel@TOMO001> <873aimm0cp.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <493727EB.8050500@andrei.myip.org> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > So far the most "stable" realtime kernel for me has been is > 2.6.24.7-rt21 (if we are talking about recent kernels, of course). Well, it's "good to know" that RT and its typical usage domains such as music and audio processing are still a pretty low priority for the kernel developers, even after all these years. :-( -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Dec 3 20:54:06 2008 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:54:06 -0800 Subject: [LAU] HDMI ? In-Reply-To: <492B094C.7090500@andrei.myip.org> References: <492AEABB.1060901@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0811241007y4d2c3ed1l7b37a3b561c26236@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0811241012l196c86fdh2b0997aff442cbdf@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0811241046l4cc4e80ai5a38f2b3389300f3@mail.gmail.com> <492B04C8.1060204@woh.rr.com> <492B094C.7090500@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <4937383E.4070309@andrei.myip.org> Florin Andrei wrote: > Dave Phillips wrote: >> The port is indeed HDMI. The nVidia chipset is the MCP78S (GeForce >> 8200), which has ALSA support, so I think it's do-able on this machine. > > Oh, you want to send *sound* over HDMI. That's different. > > I've seen mixed levels of success recently (as opposed to zero success a > while ago). It looks like some people were using the latest NVidia and > ALSA drivers and were able to unmute the HDMI audio. Looks like it's as easy as running recent video and audio drivers, then the HDMI audio device shows up in alsamixer: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008-December/240598.html -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 21:14:46 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:14:46 -0800 Subject: [LAU] HDMI ? In-Reply-To: <4937383E.4070309@andrei.myip.org> References: <492AEABB.1060901@woh.rr.com> <5bdc1c8b0811241007y4d2c3ed1l7b37a3b561c26236@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0811241012l196c86fdh2b0997aff442cbdf@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0811241046l4cc4e80ai5a38f2b3389300f3@mail.gmail.com> <492B04C8.1060204@woh.rr.com> <492B094C.7090500@andrei.myip.org> <4937383E.4070309@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812031814r5fa375c3o3794d1ce9ef851bb@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Florin Andrei wrote: > Florin Andrei wrote: >> Dave Phillips wrote: >>> The port is indeed HDMI. The nVidia chipset is the MCP78S (GeForce >>> 8200), which has ALSA support, so I think it's do-able on this machine. >> >> Oh, you want to send *sound* over HDMI. That's different. >> >> I've seen mixed levels of success recently (as opposed to zero success a >> while ago). It looks like some people were using the latest NVidia and >> ALSA drivers and were able to unmute the HDMI audio. > > Looks like it's as easy as running recent video and audio drivers, then > the HDMI audio device shows up in alsamixer: > > http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008-December/240598.html That's encouraging, although I've had nothing but trouble with 2.6.26.6-rt11. Nothing but trouble.... I went back to 2.6.24-rt1 on my AMD64 system. Cheers, Mark From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Dec 3 23:31:01 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:31:01 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ubuntu Hard real time kernel (2.6.24-21) poor performance. In-Reply-To: <493727EB.8050500@andrei.myip.org> References: <1224836996.7085.0.camel@TOMO001> <873aimm0cp.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <493727EB.8050500@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <1228365061.24272.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 16:44 -0800, Florin Andrei wrote: > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > So far the most "stable" realtime kernel for me has been is > > 2.6.24.7-rt21 (if we are talking about recent kernels, of course). > > Well, it's "good to know" that RT and its typical usage domains such as > music and audio processing are still a pretty low priority for the > kernel developers, even after all these years. :-( I don't know if there's development I don't know about. I suspect that a lot of the development was with the goal of realtime transaction oriented applications, not audio... we got our wishes as a side effect :-) If that is so (and I may be completely wrong) we may get our wishes again when the companies marketing these products have to upgrade their kernels (it is a slower cycle)... -- Fernando From therevoltingx at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 01:31:17 2008 From: therevoltingx at gmail.com (Miguel Morales) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:31:17 -0800 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] [alsa_midi_plumber] Maintain midi connections, jack.plumbing style. Message-ID: Hi all! I was always looking for a way to maintain my midi connections the same way I maintain my JACK connections using midi.plumbing. Nothing that I found satisfied my needs so I cooked up this dirty little script. Basically it just parses the output of aconnect and maintains the midi connections using a rules file specified by the user. Anyway, it's a really simple perl script, here's the link: http://diastrofunk.com/alsa_midi_plumber.html http://www.freewebs.com/bh_x/alsa_midi_plumber.html Enjoi! -- The Revolting X Software/Music Production: http://diastrofunk.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081203/ea9161fb/attachment.htm From sed at free.fr Thu Dec 4 09:53:25 2008 From: sed at free.fr (Cedric Roux) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:53:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Songs 0.4pre1 and some help on equalizer Message-ID: <1228402405.4937eee5daf52@imp.free.fr> Hi everyone, here is a pre-release of songs 0.4: http://sed.free.fr/songs/songs-0.4pre1.tar.gz (pre1 because I will use it to record some stuff and do a release after that, to catch some bugs) There is a reverb (order 15 CFDN, coming from sverb, but some parameters may not be that good, so the quality is far from perfect for an order 15 CFDN I guess). There is an equalizer (kind of "programmable eq," ie. you write some code and the equalizer's parameters are generated). I am not satisfied with the equalizer (it's a FIR designed with basic window method). So I need some help. What kind of equalizer do you use (like "10 band graphic eq" or "parametric eq") (and with which software, possibly free so I can read the source)? If you are good at DSP, I would like to generate an IIR filter out of my input (an arbitrary frequency response coming from some user's instructions) instead of a FIR. Any technique/pointer to some documentation/code? Thanks, Cedric. From julien at c-lab.de Thu Dec 4 10:28:43 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:28:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Songs 0.4pre1 and some help on equalizer In-Reply-To: <1228402405.4937eee5daf52@imp.free.fr> References: <1228402405.4937eee5daf52@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: Hi! I always use Fons Adriaenson's EQ, the LADSPA-plugin called filters.so It's a very good four-band parametric EQ. Why don't you make LADSPA effects from the reverb you use and simply implement some kind of simple LADSPA-host. So people could use your software directly or the plugins independently. Which would be very good for folk like me. I'm using ecasound to run my LADSPA-plugins. For reverb I depend more and more on jconv and IRs. If not, I still use FA's stereo-reverb g2verb. Hope that tells you anything helpful. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From sed at free.fr Thu Dec 4 12:26:34 2008 From: sed at free.fr (Cedric Roux) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:26:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Songs 0.4pre1 and some help on equalizer In-Reply-To: References: <1228402405.4937eee5daf52@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <1228411594.493812caa1918@imp.free.fr> Quoting Julien Claassen : > Hi! > I always use Fons Adriaenson's EQ, the LADSPA-plugin called filters.so > It's a very good four-band parametric EQ. Why don't you make LADSPA > effects > from the reverb you use and simply implement some kind of simple LADSPA-host. > So people could use your software directly or the plugins independently. > Which > would be very good for folk like me. > I'm using ecasound to run my LADSPA-plugins. > For reverb I depend more and more on jconv and IRs. If not, I still use > FA's > stereo-reverb g2verb. > Hope that tells you anything helpful. > Kindest regards > Julien Hi Julien, thanks for the info. How many reverb can you process at runtime with jconv? is it constant-time independantly of the reverb impulse response length? and what computer do you have? I made sverb to have a realtime reverb on my pentium 200 MHz host. I previously tried to make an FFT-based stuff but it was not convincing, not realtime. (Maybe I should have tried jconv or brutefir or whatever...) Maybe I'll take a look at those parametric eq after all. LADSPA. Well, no. That's not the way I like it, sorry. :-) But sure, I will give a look at some effects in there, maybe the eq I dream of is there. Hey I completely forgot to say that songs is a little tool to record and mix audio files (a mini-Ardour, very very mini let's say), requiring GTK+ and talking to OSS (yes, I know, we are in ALSA since... long, but my computer was working fine with OSS and I am very lazy, so I was using a 2.2 kernel up to the destruction of the computer; maybe the next computer). Thanks, Cedric. From julien at c-lab.de Thu Dec 4 12:44:19 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:44:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Songs 0.4pre1 and some help on equalizer In-Reply-To: <1228411594.493812caa1918@imp.free.fr> References: <1228402405.4937eee5daf52@imp.free.fr> <1228411594.493812caa1918@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: Hi Cedric! I never tried more than stereo with my reverb. But I've heard other stories. I'm running on a 1.8gHz Athlon CPU. For more info on jconv, you best see the website or ask Fons. He's done a really great deal about it and it's clever! Well maybe LADSPA is not how you like it, but the advantage is amazing. You can just use an already developed thing. And if it's buggy, it will be fixed once. And you said it: GTK+ + OSS. I don't have OSS, but could probably get it or I use the OSS-emulation of ALSA. But it's more JACK these days, especially for recording and other live stuff. Besides: I can't use GTK+. Probably I could, because there is some blind-friendly piece of software. But it's all rather dependent... :-( So at least making your stuff into a LADSPA plugin you would release your software to more people, which might mean more feedback and help. Oh gosh, sorry for fighting this course. But it seems so reasonable and helpful! :-) Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From lazylew at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 17:19:41 2008 From: lazylew at gmail.com (Ludo Beckers) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:19:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disabled onboard soundcard - uninstall drivers? Message-ID: (Ubuntu Hardy) Having problems with my new soundcard Audigy (Creative Soundblaster) with recording through the microphone. Playback for .wav, ogg, etc. works good. I can't record in Sound Recorder nore Audacity nore use it with Skype. The Volume Control is a mystery to me because there are too many strange meaningless names (LFE and "front end" and much more). I disabled the onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but read something on Google about disabling the drivers for it too might be a good idea. How do I find which and where those drivers are? and does it make a difference uninstalling them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081204/5a4e0f5c/attachment.htm From gurusonic at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 20:48:47 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:48:47 +1100 Subject: [LAU] disabled onboard soundcard - uninstall drivers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> Ludo Beckers wrote: > (Ubuntu Hardy) > Having problems with my new soundcard Audigy (Creative Soundblaster) > with recording through the microphone. Playback for .wav, ogg, etc. > works good. > I can't record in Sound Recorder nore Audacity nore use it with Skype. > > The Volume Control is a mystery to me because there are too many > strange meaningless names (LFE and "front end" and much more). > > I disabled the onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but read something on > Google about disabling the drivers for it too might be a good idea. > > How do I find which and where those drivers are? and does it make a > difference uninstalling them? > The volume control is probably the answer. In the Input section, make sure Mic and Capture are unmuted with the volume sliders raised. From steffl at tsoft.com Fri Dec 5 00:51:27 2008 From: steffl at tsoft.com (Erik Steffl) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:51:27 -0800 Subject: [LAU] disabled onboard soundcard - uninstall drivers? In-Reply-To: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> References: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4938C15F.2070107@tsoft.com> Roger E wrote: > > Ludo Beckers wrote: >> (Ubuntu Hardy) >> Having problems with my new soundcard Audigy (Creative Soundblaster) >> with recording through the microphone. Playback for .wav, ogg, etc. >> works good. >> I can't record in Sound Recorder nore Audacity nore use it with Skype. >> >> The Volume Control is a mystery to me because there are too many >> strange meaningless names (LFE and "front end" and much more). SB live and audigy (AFAIK those are fairly similar in this regard, only have experience with SB live) have horribly complicated and undocumented mixers, you essentially never know what are they doing, seems like everything changes everythings, searching the net provides some answers but theer's still lot of playing around and trying involved, LFE is low frequency e?, i.e. subwoofer, Master only controls front speakers (plus center, don't remember), PCM: seems to control front speakers Surround: rear speakers (but does nothing) Center: is center (but does nothing) Synth: onboard synth (midi) Wave, WaveCenter, Wave LFE, Wave Surround: essentially same as the ones without Wave in the name but different, they actually change volume SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack: switches between digital and analog output (off for analog?) Sigmatel 4-Speaker Stereo: not sure what this means exactly, it changes what other controls do a bit, probably changes the card from being 5.1 channel to be essentially 2 channel then splitting that into 4 channels for output Sigmatel Surround: not sure what this does The above of course depends on million other things, how you define your alsa device etc. Ignore if audugy is actually significantly different :-) >> I disabled the onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but read something on >> Google about disabling the drivers for it too might be a good idea. >> >> How do I find which and where those drivers are? and does it make a >> difference uninstalling them? two options - if they are build into kernel you need to rebuild kernel (unlikely with modern distros), otherwise just ignore, they will most likely not be loaded (because the card is not there, it's just like for 100s other cards that are not there), you can use lsmod to figure out which modules are loaded, erik From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Dec 5 04:27:16 2008 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:27:16 -1000 Subject: [LAU] disabled onboard soundcard - uninstall drivers? In-Reply-To: <4938C15F.2070107@tsoft.com> References: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> <4938C15F.2070107@tsoft.com> Message-ID: <4938F3F4.3030000@hawaii.rr.com> Erik Steffl wrote: > Roger E wrote: >> Ludo Beckers wrote: >>> (Ubuntu Hardy) >>> Having problems with my new soundcard Audigy (Creative Soundblaster) >>> with recording through the microphone. Playback for .wav, ogg, etc. >>> works good. >>> I can't record in Sound Recorder nore Audacity nore use it with Skype. >>> >>> The Volume Control is a mystery to me because there are too many >>> strange meaningless names (LFE and "front end" and much more). > > SB live and audigy (AFAIK those are fairly similar in this regard, > only have experience with SB live) have horribly complicated and > undocumented mixers, you essentially never know what are they doing, > seems like everything changes everythings, > > searching the net provides some answers but theer's still lot of > playing around and trying involved, > > LFE is low frequency e?, i.e. subwoofer, > > Master only controls front speakers (plus center, don't remember), > > PCM: seems to control front speakers > > Surround: rear speakers (but does nothing) > > Center: is center (but does nothing) > > Synth: onboard synth (midi) > > Wave, WaveCenter, Wave LFE, Wave Surround: essentially same as the > ones without Wave in the name but different, they actually change volume > > SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack: switches between digital and > analog output (off for analog?) > > Sigmatel 4-Speaker Stereo: not sure what this means exactly, it > changes what other controls do a bit, probably changes the card from > being 5.1 channel to be essentially 2 channel then splitting that into 4 > channels for output > > Sigmatel Surround: not sure what this does > > The above of course depends on million other things, how you define > your alsa device etc. > > Ignore if audugy is actually significantly different :-) > >>> I disabled the onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but read something on >>> Google about disabling the drivers for it too might be a good idea. >>> >>> How do I find which and where those drivers are? and does it make a >>> difference uninstalling them? > > two options - if they are build into kernel you need to rebuild > kernel (unlikely with modern distros), otherwise just ignore, they will > most likely not be loaded (because the card is not there, it's just like > for 100s other cards that are not there), you can use lsmod to figure > out which modules are loaded, Hmmm, on my server box, which has some onboard sound card built in and another PCI-based soundcard I added to it, I disabled the onboard sound in the BIOS - but Linux still finds it and installs the ALSA driver for it. (One of the reasons why I haven't got sound working on the server, I think.) I've been told by someone else that Linux doesn't pay attention to the BIOS once it begins to boot, but what do I know? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Dec 5 04:43:28 2008 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:43:28 -1000 Subject: [LAU] [Rosegarden-user] UbuntuStudio 8.1 In-Reply-To: <1153a3430812041451g2860b9cbrbd8a5ec6e4183b07@mail.gmail.com> References: <784612.16849.qm@web87115.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <200812041637.09061.kevin@dotmon.com> <49380936.9010301@trackingsolutions.ca> <20081204211020.502fb87a@studio.at.myplace> <1153a3430812041451g2860b9cbrbd8a5ec6e4183b07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4938F7C0.30409@hawaii.rr.com> Studio to Go! doesn't seem to be available anywhere anymore? Fervent Software and Studio-To-Go.com just give me blank pages. Brian Clem wrote: > Hi Gary and All, > > I just did a distro-dance at work/school. I need jack to just work. 64 > Studio has jackdmp and their stuff just works. Ubuntustudio is what I > used to use but now is currently unusable for audio... but rocks on > video and everything else. > > What I am going back to is the only thing I have found to ROCK > everytime... all the time... Studio to Go! 2.0.2 > > Talk about the saddest, non-death day in my life.. the day STG! sent the > dreadded message on their board of non-support. It was the coolest > distro ever and I find myself still using it. Every member of the > Rosegarden family needs to find a way to *get the STG! wizard back on > board* . I /dont/ understand WHY other distros have not used STG's > setup and information (all of its coolness and achievements). I > mean, Jack works perfect everytime from the start. Qsynth from the > start... lowest latency and no xruns. None. jackdmp... And running > VSTs as an exe(dll actually) (like a pedal) through jack. > > Brian > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Noel Darlow > wrote: > > > I find audio software under linux is a moving target. So relying on a > > distro for my packages has proven to be a poor choice. I have been > > running gentoo for the last few years because of it's build > > environment and compile my packages. > > Another satisfied gentoo user here. > > Noel -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From bengan at bag.org Fri Dec 5 05:17:16 2008 From: bengan at bag.org (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:17:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [Rosegarden-user] UbuntuStudio 8.1 In-Reply-To: <4938F7C0.30409@hawaii.rr.com> References: <784612.16849.qm@web87115.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1153a3430812041451g2860b9cbrbd8a5ec6e4183b07@mail.gmail.com> <4938F7C0.30409@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <200812051117.17707.bengan@bag.org> Den Friday 05 December 2008 10.43.28 skrev david: > Studio to Go! doesn't seem to be available anywhere anymore? Fervent > Software and Studio-To-Go.com just give me blank pages. I read this before the summer http://www.64studio.com/node/471 /bengan From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Dec 5 05:42:19 2008 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:42:19 -1000 Subject: [LAU] [Rosegarden-user] UbuntuStudio 8.1 In-Reply-To: <200812051117.17707.bengan@bag.org> References: <784612.16849.qm@web87115.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1153a3430812041451g2860b9cbrbd8a5ec6e4183b07@mail.gmail.com> <4938F7C0.30409@hawaii.rr.com> <200812051117.17707.bengan@bag.org> Message-ID: <4939058B.7010101@hawaii.rr.com> Bengt G?rd?n wrote: > Den Friday 05 December 2008 10.43.28 skrev david: >> Studio to Go! doesn't seem to be available anywhere anymore? Fervent >> Software and Studio-To-Go.com just give me blank pages. > > I read this before the summer > > http://www.64studio.com/node/471 Yah, the original reference to Studio to Go! mentioned that it was dead. I was hoping that "dead" just meant they weren't updating it anymore, not that it was no longer available via download at all. Guess I'm used to mirror sites and such ... -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From lazylew at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 06:46:40 2008 From: lazylew at gmail.com (Ludo Beckers) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:46:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disabled onboard soundcard - uninstall drivers? In-Reply-To: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> References: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> Message-ID: As far as I can tell all controls are unmuted and with sliders at least halfway. In System-Preferences-Sound-Devices all are set "autodetect" except: Sound Capture --> ALSA and Default Mixer Tracks --> CAO106 'Alsa Mixer) The mouse-over pop up of the Volume Control reads: Analog Center/LFE: 86%. In the volume control (CAO106 Alsa Mixer) there's 2 tabs: Playback --> IEC958 Front Recording --> Line In _ Microphone In Menu-File (change device) I have: - (marked) 0: CAO106 Alsa mixer (following ones all unmarked) - 1: mixer OO (OSS) - 2: Playback: ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer) - 3: Capture: Monitor Source of ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer) - 4: Capture: ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer) In Menu-Preferences "select tracks to be visible these 3 are marked: Line In, Microphone and IEC958 Front There's a whole bunch there unmarked: phone, IEC958 (variants: Center/LFE, Rear, Unknown), Aux, Analog (variants: Center/LFE, Front, Rear, Side, Source), Capture Feedback, Digital Source, Shared Mic/Line. That's probably too much info, but I hope the wrong setting is detectable here. Thanks On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Roger E wrote: > > > Ludo Beckers wrote: > >> (Ubuntu Hardy) >> Having problems with my new soundcard Audigy (Creative Soundblaster) with >> recording through the microphone. Playback for .wav, ogg, etc. works good. >> I can't record in Sound Recorder nore Audacity nore use it with Skype. >> >> The Volume Control is a mystery to me because there are too many strange >> meaningless names (LFE and "front end" and much more). >> >> I disabled the onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but read something on Google >> about disabling the drivers for it too might be a good idea. >> >> How do I find which and where those drivers are? and does it make a >> difference uninstalling them? >> >> The volume control is probably the answer. In the Input section, make > sure Mic and Capture are unmuted with the volume sliders raised. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081205/97ad21c0/attachment.htm From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Dec 5 14:09:49 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:09:49 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! Message-ID: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> hi, A semester has gone by, since last release, with no big news on this front. Alas, on the verge of the coming one-dot-oh release of the mighty JACK Audio Connection Kit, here goes one fine update of its old and aged Qt GUI front-end: QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! Nothing much new to see but you might welcome the patchbay snapshot revamp, which might finally do the right thing, and the rand new translations that are getting in place: German (de), Spanish(es), French (fr) and Russian (ru). Many thanks to all involved. With no further ado, the good stuff is ready from the usual places. Website: http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net Project page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qjackctl Download: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qjackctl/qjackctl-0.3.4.tar.gz Weblog: http://www.rncbc.org License: QjackCtl is free, open-source software, distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later. Change-log: 0.3.4 2008-12-05 Patchbay snapshot revamp. - Introducing the very first and complete translations in-package: German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr) and Russian (ru); credits in TRANSLATORS. - At last, after years of retarded procrastination, the old infamous patchbay snapshot feature has been the subject of a almost complete rewrite and it does try to give a way better mapping of all actual and current running client/port connections, both JACK (audio, MIDI) and ALSA MIDI, of course ;) - On Setup/Settings/Parameters dialog, all device selection options are now reset to default when disabled interactively. - Grayed/disabled palette color group fix for dark color themes. - Qt Software logo update. - Fait-divers: desktop menu file touched to openSUSE conventions. - ALSA PCM devices now only listed/enumerated iif strictly compliant with the audio mode criteria (Duplex, Capture-only or Playback-only) as kindly suggested by Nedko Ardaunov. - JACK client/port aliases may now be displayed as a global user option (see Setup/Display/Connections/JACK client/port aliases). - Lighten up the connections line and highlight colors, as seen to fit best on some darker background themes. - Patchbay snapshot fixed to differentiate socket clients according to its type (Audio, MIDI or ALSA-Seq), avoiding the mess and gross mistake of hanging disparate type ports under the same client item. - JACK_DEFAULT_SERVER environment variable is now appended to the X11 unique application identifier, allowing for having multiple instances each controlling its own JACK server, besides the default one. - Due to some trouble with newer Qt >= 4.4 applications regarding font size configuration, a new global user option is now available to the rescue: Setup/Misc/Defaults/Base font size (default is no-op). Cheers && Enjoy. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc dot org From xbran at web.de Fri Dec 5 16:32:39 2008 From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:32:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! In-Reply-To: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> References: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <5eb95dc90812051332odb00aeau22fd01875e59bd3c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rui Nuno Capela Two notes: Adjusting the icon/symbol sizes doesn't seem two work. I'm voting for lash integration. Thank you for QJackCtrl. It's running all the time here. From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Dec 5 17:08:20 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:08:20 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90812051332odb00aeau22fd01875e59bd3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> <5eb95dc90812051332odb00aeau22fd01875e59bd3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4939A654.3060001@rncbc.org> Emanuel Rumpf wrote: > Hi Rui Nuno Capela > > Two notes: > Adjusting the icon/symbol sizes doesn't seem two work. uhoh, now you tell me. funny thing is previous versions (probably ever since qt4 migration 1.5years ago) suffer from the same: the connections widget icons do change but their size is kept down-scaled to 16x16. will get fixed next time i get back to it :) > I'm voting for lash integration. > you mean qjackctl becoming a lash control prohram as well? that's indeed one of the oldest of the requests, still buried in the TODO ancient scrolls--look it's still called LADCCA there :o) > Thank you for QJackCtrl. > It's running all the time here. thanks -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 17:56:11 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:56:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! In-Reply-To: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> References: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <4939B18B.7020302@gmail.com> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > hi, > > A semester has gone by, since last release, with no big news on this > front. Alas, on the verge of the coming one-dot-oh release of the mighty > JACK Audio Connection Kit, here goes one fine update of its old and aged > Qt GUI front-end: > > QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! > > Nothing much new to see but you might welcome the patchbay snapshot > revamp, which might finally do the right thing, and the rand new > translations that are getting in place: German (de), Spanish(es), French > (fr) and Russian (ru). Many thanks to all involved. > > With no further ado, the good stuff is ready from the usual places. > > Website: > > http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net > > Project page: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/qjackctl > > Download: > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qjackctl/qjackctl-0.3.4.tar.gz > > Weblog: > > http://www.rncbc.org > > License: > > QjackCtl is free, open-source software, distributed under the terms of > the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later. > > Change-log: > > 0.3.4 2008-12-05 Patchbay snapshot revamp. > > - Introducing the very first and complete translations in-package: > German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr) and Russian (ru); credits in > TRANSLATORS. > > - At last, after years of retarded procrastination, the old infamous > patchbay snapshot feature has been the subject of a almost complete > rewrite and it does try to give a way better mapping of all actual and > current running client/port connections, both JACK (audio, MIDI) and > ALSA MIDI, of course ;) > hoera, thanks :) > - On Setup/Settings/Parameters dialog, all device selection options are > now reset to default when disabled interactively. > > - Grayed/disabled palette color group fix for dark color themes. > > - Qt Software logo update. > > - Fait-divers: desktop menu file touched to openSUSE conventions. > > - ALSA PCM devices now only listed/enumerated iif strictly compliant > with the audio mode criteria (Duplex, Capture-only or Playback-only) as > kindly suggested by Nedko Ardaunov. > > - JACK client/port aliases may now be displayed as a global user option > (see Setup/Display/Connections/JACK client/port aliases). > > - Lighten up the connections line and highlight colors, as seen to fit > best on some darker background themes. > > - Patchbay snapshot fixed to differentiate socket clients according to > its type (Audio, MIDI or ALSA-Seq), avoiding the mess and gross mistake > of hanging disparate type ports under the same client item. > > - JACK_DEFAULT_SERVER environment variable is now appended to the X11 > unique application identifier, allowing for having multiple instances > each controlling its own JACK server, besides the default one. > > - Due to some trouble with newer Qt >= 4.4 applications regarding font > size configuration, a new global user option is now available to the > rescue: Setup/Misc/Defaults/Base font size (default is no-op). > > > Cheers && Enjoy. > Thanks, a new version of qjackctl is always good news! From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Dec 6 00:19:46 2008 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:19:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] disabled onboard soundcard - uninstall drivers? In-Reply-To: References: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0812052119g4fbc756scc23d008e4bd668d@mail.gmail.com> Please post the output of "amixer". Lee On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Ludo Beckers wrote: > As far as I can tell all controls are unmuted and with sliders at least > halfway. > > In System-Preferences-Sound-Devices all are set "autodetect" except: > Sound Capture --> ALSA and > Default Mixer Tracks --> CAO106 'Alsa Mixer) > > The mouse-over pop up of the Volume Control reads: Analog Center/LFE: 86%. > > In the volume control (CAO106 Alsa Mixer) there's 2 tabs: > Playback --> IEC958 Front > Recording --> Line In _ Microphone > > In Menu-File (change device) I have: > - (marked) 0: CAO106 Alsa mixer > (following ones all unmarked) > - 1: mixer OO (OSS) > - 2: Playback: ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer) > - 3: Capture: Monitor Source of ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA > (PulseAudio Mixer) > - 4: Capture: ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer) > > In Menu-Preferences "select tracks to be visible these 3 are marked: > Line In, Microphone and IEC958 Front > There's a whole bunch there unmarked: phone, IEC958 (variants: Center/LFE, > Rear, Unknown), Aux, Analog (variants: Center/LFE, Front, Rear, Side, > Source), Capture Feedback, Digital Source, Shared Mic/Line. > > That's probably too much info, but I hope the wrong setting is detectable > here. > Thanks > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Roger E wrote: >> >> >> Ludo Beckers wrote: >>> >>> (Ubuntu Hardy) >>> Having problems with my new soundcard Audigy (Creative Soundblaster) with >>> recording through the microphone. Playback for .wav, ogg, etc. works good. >>> I can't record in Sound Recorder nore Audacity nore use it with Skype. >>> >>> The Volume Control is a mystery to me because there are too many strange >>> meaningless names (LFE and "front end" and much more). >>> >>> I disabled the onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but read something on >>> Google about disabling the drivers for it too might be a good idea. >>> >>> How do I find which and where those drivers are? and does it make a >>> difference uninstalling them? >>> >> The volume control is probably the answer. In the Input section, make sure >> Mic and Capture are unmuted with the volume sliders raised. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Dec 6 01:41:10 2008 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:41:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ubuntu Hard real time kernel (2.6.24-21) poor performance. In-Reply-To: <493727EB.8050500@andrei.myip.org> References: <1224836996.7085.0.camel@TOMO001> <873aimm0cp.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <493727EB.8050500@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0812052241j3b181f5cga77bc64cb66dab9e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Florin Andrei wrote: > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >> >> So far the most "stable" realtime kernel for me has been is >> 2.6.24.7-rt21 (if we are talking about recent kernels, of course). > > Well, it's "good to know" that RT and its typical usage domains such as > music and audio processing are still a pretty low priority for the > kernel developers, even after all these years. :-( Judging from LKML activity it's actually a higher priority than ever. I think the issue is that the Linux audio community has not been very engaged with kernel development lately (except for Fernando) and naturally the kernel devs will assume that if no one complains to them then it's all good. The RT kernel work lately has been driven by traditional hard RT users like simulation, machine control, HPC, etc who all seem to be happy. Also the kernel RT people are focused on getting the RT kernel patches into mainline. Does the Ubuntu RT kernel enable the latency tracing stuff? Lee From mysthr21 at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 03:51:12 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:51:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <20081206023358.GA16903@siel> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> <907c05c70812030502o459caaa9w6bd6580b4f191f8a@mail.gmail.com> <20081206023358.GA16903@siel> Message-ID: <907c05c70812060051w421758e6r52e6c28e2bbb6e1d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/6 > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 02:02:53PM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Sorry for my late answer > > 2008/11/30 > > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29:15AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Yesterday I tried with a friend of mine to synchronize our computers > with > > > a > > > > simple midi cable. > > > > We just want to make music together, and synchronize, the transport > AND > > > the > > > > tempo with a Master and a Slave. > > > > > > > > After hours and hours of tests, we just made the transport sync > works. > > > But > > > > we couldn't sync the tempo. > > > > > > > > Someone told me on the #LAD IRC, about netjack, but it seems to be to > > > "loud" > > > > for what we want to do. > > > > > > can you explain loud ? > > > > Sorry for my bad english. I meant loud in the sense of to complicated, > > difficult. Because it is so simple with a midi cable. You wire it, and > press > > play. and everything is ok. > > aparently its not so simple, because you would have not written the > initial mail. > I personally would not find it simple, because my computer does not > have a midi port. But i cant think of a reasonable computer which > does not have a network card. > > > > > > In fact, most of the softs can sync themself each other with JACK > > > transport, > > > > but can't send Midi Time Code to the midi out. > > > > > > so why not use netjack ? > > > grab current jack release and go. > > > > I understood that the slave computer using netjack backend can't use > audio, > > or through alsa_out and alsa_in. > > I own a firewire sound card, so I think this is not possible for me... is > it > > ? > > do you have to be the slave computer ? > i suspected, if you want to sync 2 computers, you would be in the same > room. So it does not look like its necesary to use 2 soundcards. > > > > > it now works over wireless. use celt codec to > > > reduce bitrate. should give you 4channels in both directions easiely. > > > and i guess you only want 8 channels in one direction. > > > > Does it offers good performances ? latencies speaking ? > > I can't really imagine how it works. and how to implement this solution. > > wait for jack-0.116.1 to be released, > install on both machines. > connect machines to ethernet. > > [option 1] > on hostA: run jackd -R -d net > on hostB: run jack_netsource -h hostA -P 6 -C 6 -l1 > > hostB is the one with soundcard running normal jackd. > start seq24 on hostB and hostA. > > press play on hostB. > > [option 2] > on hostA: run jackd -R -n synced_server -d net > on hostA: run jackd -R -d alsa > on hostB: run jack_netsource -h hostA -P 0 -C 0 -l1 > (you might also use -l0) > > on hostA: export JACK_DEFAULT_SERVER="synced_server"; seq24 > on hostA: run softsynths on default server. > seq24 only speaks alsa sequencer anyways, not necesary to run inside > same jackd. > > press play on hostB. > > > > > well... wireless can still dropout sometimes. > > But ethernet is rocksolid. > (At least if you use jack-svn, expect jack-0.116.1 tomorrow) > > i did not yet check how many channels you can do with 100Mbit, > but 10 in both directions worked ok with netjack-0.12. > I am talking about a roundtrip latency of 1 period, thats 5.8ms > for 256 samples. And 2.9ms for 128. > > the transport synchronisation is latency compensated. > > Yes we are playing in the same room. Sorry for my poor knoledges, but, it means that all, audio and midi event pass trough the ethernet cable ? If I understand I use my computer normally, but I do not use my sound card, I use the network. And my friend will receive all the midi and sounds, and route them through his sound card ? 5.8 and 2.9ms are very exiting ! Is there any complete documentations on the net ? What are your jack settings ? I imagine there are some network settings too ? Thank you for your answer. cheers, Mysth-R -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081206/977cdcc5/attachment.htm From louisjbarman at googlemail.com Sat Dec 6 06:48:42 2008 From: louisjbarman at googlemail.com (Louis B.) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:48:42 +0000 Subject: [LAU] PianoBooster and playing along with (monophonic) acoustic instruments Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Loki wrote: > Subject: Re: PianoBooster version 0.5.0 has just been released > > I'd love to test this and help out anyway you need. I haven't done > much C++ though. Give me a yell how the flute goes! My double bass > might be a little harder to track, because it would be nice to have > intonation accuracy as well. I.e am i a little flate / sharp. Wouldn't > need this with a piano / etc. > > Loki > Loki, Sorry for the delay on replying to this thread: http://www.nabble.com/PianoBooster-version-0.5.0-has-just-been-released-td20711215.html if you still want to try this out then perhaps you could try out programs listed in this thread regarding (monophonic) real-time pitch tracking (http://aubio.org/ and : and Rakarrack) and see how this works with your double base. In theory the accuracy bar and the coloured notes should work without any changes to Piano Booster in "Play Along" mode. I have posted this linux-audio-user mailing list as well in case anybody else wants to test this out as well. Thanks L o u i s Piano Booster is available at: http://pianobooster.sourceforge.net From lazylew at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 07:34:15 2008 From: lazylew at gmail.com (Ludo Beckers) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:34:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disabled onboard soundcard - uninstall drivers? In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0812052119g4fbc756scc23d008e4bd668d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4938887F.5090702@gmail.com> <75b66ecd0812052119g4fbc756scc23d008e4bd668d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been messing around a bit (2 much?)... first on advice I installed paconfig.deb which resulted in not having sound anymore :-( so, other advice I followed: sudo apt-get install padevchooser then alt-F2 to run padevchooser which didn't help at all, so I tried to undo it by: pulseaudio -k this gave this output: E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon. so here's the output of the present amixer: Simple mixer control 'Line in',0 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 255 Front Left: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB] Front Right: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Mic',0 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 255 Front Left: Capture 183 [72%] [-12.00dB] Front Right: Capture 183 [72%] [-12.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Phone',0 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 255 Front Left: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB] Front Right: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB] Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Center/LFE',0 Capabilities: pvolume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Front',0 Capabilities: pvolume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 202 [79%] [-1.25dB] Front Right: Playback 202 [79%] [-1.25dB] Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Rear',0 Capabilities: pvolume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Unknown',0 Capabilities: pvolume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Simple mixer control 'Aux',0 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 255 Front Left: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB] Front Right: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Analog Center/LFE',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 204 [80%] [0.75dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 204 [80%] [0.75dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Analog Front',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 204 [80%] [0.75dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 204 [80%] [0.75dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Analog Rear',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Analog Side',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Analog Source',0 Capabilities: cenum Items: 'Phone' 'Mic' 'Line in' 'Aux' Item0: 'Line in' Simple mixer control 'CAPTURE feedback',0 Capabilities: pvolume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] Simple mixer control 'Digital Source',0 Capabilities: cenum Items: 'IEC958 out' 'i2s mixer out' 'IEC958 in' 'i2s in' 'AC97 in' 'SRC out' Item0: 'i2s in' Simple mixer control 'Shared Mic/Line in',0 Capabilities: cenum Items: 'Line in' 'Mic in' Item0: 'Line in' On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Lee Revell wrote: > Please post the output of "amixer". > > Lee > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Ludo Beckers wrote: > > As far as I can tell all controls are unmuted and with sliders at least > > halfway. > > > > In System-Preferences-Sound-Devices all are set "autodetect" except: > > Sound Capture --> ALSA and > > Default Mixer Tracks --> CAO106 'Alsa Mixer) > > > > The mouse-over pop up of the Volume Control reads: Analog Center/LFE: > 86%. > > > > In the volume control (CAO106 Alsa Mixer) there's 2 tabs: > > Playback --> IEC958 Front > > Recording --> Line In _ Microphone > > > > In Menu-File (change device) I have: > > - (marked) 0: CAO106 Alsa mixer > > (following ones all unmarked) > > - 1: mixer OO (OSS) > > - 2: Playback: ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer) > > - 3: Capture: Monitor Source of ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA > > (PulseAudio Mixer) > > - 4: Capture: ALSA PCM on front: O (CAO106) via DMA (PulseAudio Mixer) > > > > In Menu-Preferences "select tracks to be visible these 3 are marked: > > Line In, Microphone and IEC958 Front > > There's a whole bunch there unmarked: phone, IEC958 (variants: > Center/LFE, > > Rear, Unknown), Aux, Analog (variants: Center/LFE, Front, Rear, Side, > > Source), Capture Feedback, Digital Source, Shared Mic/Line. > > > > That's probably too much info, but I hope the wrong setting is detectable > > here. > > Thanks > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Roger E wrote: > >> > >> > >> Ludo Beckers wrote: > >>> > >>> (Ubuntu Hardy) > >>> Having problems with my new soundcard Audigy (Creative Soundblaster) > with > >>> recording through the microphone. Playback for .wav, ogg, etc. works > good. > >>> I can't record in Sound Recorder nore Audacity nore use it with Skype. > >>> > >>> The Volume Control is a mystery to me because there are too many > strange > >>> meaningless names (LFE and "front end" and much more). > >>> > >>> I disabled the onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but read something on > >>> Google about disabling the drivers for it too might be a good idea. > >>> > >>> How do I find which and where those drivers are? and does it make a > >>> difference uninstalling them? > >>> > >> The volume control is probably the answer. In the Input section, make > sure > >> Mic and Capture are unmuted with the volume sliders raised. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081206/7d0c4fd7/attachment.htm From fbar at footils.org Sat Dec 6 10:12:29 2008 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:12:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Hallo, Christopher Stamper hat gesagt: // Christopher Stamper wrote: > I'm thinking about finally upgrading from my cheap soundblaster+mic to > something of a little higher quality. I'm thinking along the lines of an > external firewire/usb box and some kind of low-cost mic. > > I'd use it primarely for vocals, but I'd like the recording interface to > support 2-channel, for possible some piano recordings/etc. I also don't want > to spend very much, and would plan to get it used, on ebay. For comparable quality, PCI cards generally are much cheaper than USB or let alone Firewire cards (the latter are quite expensive). I'd go with some Terratec or M-Audio card based on an ICE chipset. The M-Audio Audiophile PCI is quite popular, I use one myself for a long time now. It's only stereo, howver. The Delta cards provide more channels. Check the ALSA soundcard matrix for other cards with the ice1712 driver. Ciao -- Frank From christopherstamper at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 10:14:50 2008 From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:14:50 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Christopher Stamper hat gesagt: // Christopher Stamper wrote: > > > I'm thinking about finally upgrading from my cheap soundblaster+mic to > > something of a little higher quality. I'm thinking along the lines of an > > external firewire/usb box and some kind of low-cost mic. > > > > I'd use it primarely for vocals, but I'd like the recording interface to > > support 2-channel, for possible some piano recordings/etc. I also don't > want > > to spend very much, and would plan to get it used, on ebay. > > For comparable quality, PCI cards generally are much cheaper than > USB or let alone Firewire cards (the latter are quite expensive). I'd go > with some Terratec or M-Audio card based on an ICE chipset. The > M-Audio Audiophile PCI is quite popular, I use one myself for a long > time now. It's only stereo, howver. The Delta cards provide more > channels. Check the ALSA soundcard matrix for other cards with the > ice1712 driver. > Thanks for the info, I'll check them out. I kinda wanted to be able to use it in my laptop as well as my desktop. That kinda limits me to firewire/usb. If I can get one of those pci cards cheaply enough, I may go for it. Thanks! -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081206/f1899b97/attachment.htm From christopherstamper at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 10:31:53 2008 From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:31:53 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Christopher Stamper < christopherstamper at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> Hallo, >> Christopher Stamper hat gesagt: // Christopher Stamper wrote: >> >> > I'm thinking about finally upgrading from my cheap soundblaster+mic to >> > something of a little higher quality. I'm thinking along the lines of an >> > external firewire/usb box and some kind of low-cost mic. >> > >> > I'd use it primarely for vocals, but I'd like the recording interface to >> > support 2-channel, for possible some piano recordings/etc. I also don't >> want >> > to spend very much, and would plan to get it used, on ebay. >> >> For comparable quality, PCI cards generally are much cheaper than >> USB or let alone Firewire cards (the latter are quite expensive). I'd go >> with some Terratec or M-Audio card based on an ICE chipset. The >> M-Audio Audiophile PCI is quite popular, I use one myself for a long >> time now. It's only stereo, howver. The Delta cards provide more >> channels. Check the ALSA soundcard matrix for other cards with the >> ice1712 driver. >> > Are there any problems I'd be encountering if I got a M-Audio Fast Track US44010 (or simillar)? -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081206/928c1323/attachment.htm From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 12:22:16 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:22:16 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812060922w223d742an48d7130a74330ec1@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Christopher Stamper wrote: > > > Are there any problems I'd be encountering if I got a M-Audio Fast Track > US44010 (or simillar)? > Someone recently was talking about one of these M-Audio USB devices - either on this list or maybe Alsa-User. He wasn't seeing all the channels. I guess it has 4 and he was only seeing 2 IIRC. Check the archives on that one. - Mark From ico at vt.edu Sat Dec 6 13:17:27 2008 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:17:27 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Message-ID: > I kinda wanted to be able to use it in my laptop as well as my desktop. > That kinda limits me to firewire/usb. Depending upon what you consider to be "cheap," Edirol FA-101 is (firewire) is ironically cheaper (approx. ~$300) than UA-101 (usb, ~$450), although from what I read the UA has a much more elaborate routing capabilities. That being said, we have over dozen FA-101s in DISIS and they work perfectly with Linux (ffado), offer 10 i/o, 2 very good preamps, and MIDI. If you have a MBP you can run them without external power (they run off of the FW cable). Hope this helps! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico at vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ From ico at vt.edu Sat Dec 6 13:21:05 2008 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:21:05 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Message-ID: > Depending upon what you consider to be "cheap," Edirol FA-101 is > (firewire) > is ironically cheaper (approx. ~$300) than UA-101 (usb, ~$450), although > from what I read the UA has a much more elaborate routing capabilities. > That > being said, we have over dozen FA-101s in DISIS and they work perfectly > with > Linux (ffado), offer 10 i/o, 2 very good preamps, and MIDI. If you have a > MBP you can run them without external power (they run off of the FW > cable). Forgot to mention, if I really had to nitpick regarding these, it would be that the line outs are +4dB. Ico From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Dec 6 16:05:53 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:05:53 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ubuntu Hard real time kernel (2.6.24-21) poor performance. In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0812052241j3b181f5cga77bc64cb66dab9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1224836996.7085.0.camel@TOMO001> <873aimm0cp.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <493727EB.8050500@andrei.myip.org> <75b66ecd0812052241j3b181f5cga77bc64cb66dab9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1228597553.3405.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 01:41 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Florin Andrei wrote: > > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > >> > >> So far the most "stable" realtime kernel for me has been is > >> 2.6.24.7-rt21 (if we are talking about recent kernels, of course). > > > > Well, it's "good to know" that RT and its typical usage domains such as > > music and audio processing are still a pretty low priority for the > > kernel developers, even after all these years. :-( > > Judging from LKML activity it's actually a higher priority than ever. > I think the issue is that the Linux audio community has not been very > engaged with kernel development lately (except for Fernando) and > naturally the kernel devs will assume that if no one complains to them > then it's all good. Sigh, I'm not that good at all. I spent two weeks on and off on that for nothing, at least on my builds MIDI is still not working for 2.6.26.x rt (your suggestion - thanks! - enabled midi input to work but there was not followup and something is still drastically wrong with the alsa timer - apps that use it don't actually output anything). I meant to post it but this last couple of weeks I had other priorities and posts like "midi does not work" or "it freezes" without hard data will probably not help either. ... and the last few times I have posted with problems I have not received any feedback from lkml except for you. And no forthcoming patches to test or anything like that (with one exception for some BUG reports but that lead nowhere). At least from the point of view of my email account I get a lot of silence. Maybe I'm not being cc'ed? I just can't at this point try to follow lkml directly (I did till the beginning of this year). > The RT kernel work lately has been driven by > traditional hard RT users like simulation, machine control, HPC, etc > who all seem to be happy. Strange. Maybe different configurations or hardware? When I try to run 2.6.26.x rt patched kernels I eventually end with a completely dead machine, not very often (once every two days?) but it happens (I don't currently have a way to trace what happens). And there's nothing official AFAIK for 2.6.27.x. > Also the kernel RT people are focused on > getting the RT kernel patches into mainline. That would be sooooo good.... at least then it would _have_ to keep up with new releases. At this point I'm also ready to give up and just try to find latency problems in the vanilla kernel, find a way to trace their origins and report that to lkml. -- Fernando From christopherstamper at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 16:17:08 2008 From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:17:08 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > Depending upon what you consider to be "cheap," Edirol FA-101 is > > (firewire) > > is ironically cheaper (approx. ~$300) than UA-101 (usb, ~$450), although > > from what I read the UA has a much more elaborate routing capabilities. > > That > > being said, we have over dozen FA-101s in DISIS and they work perfectly > > with > > Linux (ffado), offer 10 i/o, 2 very good preamps, and MIDI. If you have a > > MBP you can run them without external power (they run off of the FW > > cable). > > Forgot to mention, if I really had to nitpick regarding these, it would be > that the line outs are +4dB. > > Thanks, but that's a bit too expensive. I was thinking around $50-$100... I think I'll get the M-Audio usb box. Pretty good prices on eBay... Thanks! -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081206/64b67276/attachment.htm From julien at c-lab.de Sat Dec 6 17:10:06 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 23:10:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] LinuxSampler - Status? Message-ID: Hello LS-guys! I've just wondered about LinuxSampler and the accompanying libraries. I just went over to linuxsampler.org, but didn't find anything new in the ChangeLog. So what's the latest progress? Has work been done considering the IR and jconv-code integration. I remember some talk about it some time ago. I'd be glad for some info. - Meanwhile keep up the good work and thanks for the work done so far! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From wirelessdreamer at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 19:12:51 2008 From: wirelessdreamer at gmail.com (Nathanael Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:12:51 -0600 Subject: [LAU] hydrogen drumkits to soundfont Message-ID: anyone have a script that will turn hydrogen drumkits into soundfonts? i like making my drum loops in hydrogen, and exporting as midi, to embed in compositions, but i'd like to be able to use hydrogens kits, as opposed to a generic soundfont. Nathanael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081206/55310381/attachment.htm From normalblaster-lau at yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 7 07:25:11 2008 From: normalblaster-lau at yahoo.co.uk (John Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:25:11 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> Message-ID: <1228652711.23162.1.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 16:17 -0500, Christopher Stamper wrote: > > > I think I'll get the M-Audio usb box. Pretty good prices on eBay... > > Thanks! I use an M-Audio Audiophile USB and it works fine providing you have alsa version 1.0.16 or higher. I get the latency down to 2.7ms (64 Frames per period). John T. From fbar at footils.org Sun Dec 7 07:54:21 2008 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:54:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1228652711.23162.1.camel@localhost> References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> <1228652711.23162.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20081207125421.GA21804@footils.org> Hallo, John Tomlinson hat gesagt: // John Tomlinson wrote: > On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 16:17 -0500, Christopher Stamper wrote: > > > > > > I think I'll get the M-Audio usb box. Pretty good prices on eBay... > > > > Thanks! > > > I use an M-Audio Audiophile USB and it works fine providing you have > alsa version 1.0.16 or higher. I get the latency down to 2.7ms (64 > Frames per period). Btw.: all USB soundcards have the same latency. I use a Terratec Phase 26, which is very inexpensive in Europe (i.e. 99 Eur new) as you can get it unbundled from the useless Windows software at various dealers. Ciao -- Frank From chip.vandan at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 13:10:09 2008 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:10:09 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More New Music Message-ID: It's been a long while since I've updated my site, but I added 6 new songs to the bottom of my page. I appreciated all the helpful feedback I got from the last time I posted my music to this list and I'm hoping for the same results. All %100 Linux (even the included art was designed in Gimp and Inkscape) http://airlynx.sitesled.com Christopher VanDan ("Airlynx") -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCA/FA/S/O d+(--) s+: a-- C+++ L++ P E-- W++ N- o K? w O-- M- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t- 5-- X R- !tv b++ DI++ D+ G+ e+/++ h--- r--/+++ z+++(*) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 17:58:40 2008 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:58:40 +1100 Subject: [LAU] PianoBooster and playing along with (monophonic) acoustic instruments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Louis B. wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Loki wrote: >> Subject: Re: PianoBooster version 0.5.0 has just been released >> >> I'd love to test this and help out anyway you need. I haven't done >> much C++ though. Give me a yell how the flute goes! My double bass >> might be a little harder to track, because it would be nice to have >> intonation accuracy as well. I.e am i a little flate / sharp. Wouldn't >> need this with a piano / etc. >> >> Loki >> > > Loki, > > Sorry for the delay on replying to this thread: > > http://www.nabble.com/PianoBooster-version-0.5.0-has-just-been-released-td20711215.html > > if you still want to try this out then perhaps you could try out > programs listed in this thread regarding (monophonic) > real-time pitch tracking (http://aubio.org/ and : > and Rakarrack) and see how this > works with your double base. In theory the accuracy bar and the > coloured notes should work without any changes to Piano Booster in > "Play Along" mode. > > I have posted this linux-audio-user mailing list as well in case > anybody else wants to test this out as well. > > Thanks > > L o u i s > > Piano Booster is available at: http://pianobooster.sourceforge.net > Would be awesome, but then i'll have no excuse for being crap at sight reading. I've just moved house this weekend so no internet yet. I'll report back as soon as i give it a go. Loki From simon at systemparadox.co.uk Sun Dec 7 18:20:36 2008 From: simon at systemparadox.co.uk (Simon Williams) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:20:36 +0000 Subject: [LAU] MIDI Routing/Mixing (Korg X50) Message-ID: <493C5A44.7060409@systemparadox.co.uk> Hello everyone. (Are there any other Korg X50 users on the list?) I have an X50, and an Evolution MK-461C MIDI controller board. What I'm trying to do is use the knobs on the MK (and the X50, actually) to control the parameters on the X50, but I've got a major problem. It seems that the only way of getting either of the two keyboards (that is, the actual white and black keys) to control more than one sound is to assign all the sounds to the same channel. The problem with this is: Say I assign a synth pad and a piano sound to channel 1. Then I try to change the volume of the synth pad (using MIDI control 7), using the knobs on either the X50, or the MK (it doesn't matter which). What I find is that the piano, being on the same channel, also has its volume adjusted. Sure, I can use the MIDI filter feature on the X50 to say that the piano ignores volume changes, but then I can't fade out the piano if I want to. Anyone got any suggestions on how to overcome this? Currently the only way I can think of is to send all MIDI events via my laptop and get it to duplicate the note on/off events and send them to all the relevant channels. Is this my only option? Surely the X50 has a better way than this? Also, how well would MIDI cope with this? I have heard people mention that MIDI doesn't work so well if you send lots of data down it (like 8 duplicates of the each note on/off message?). If this is my only option, does anyone know of any better MIDI router/mixer software? Currently the only one I know of is soundfontcombi, but it's not very flexible, and doesn't work so well with JACK's auto patchbay connections. Thanks in advance. Simon From orl at ammd.net Mon Dec 8 03:59:03 2008 From: orl at ammd.net (Aurelien) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:59:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] AMMD's 1st FULLY-FREE-BASED release Message-ID: <20081208085903.GC24905@sebkhachott.net> Hello, The AMMD label (www.ammd.net) is proud to present you its first FULLY-FREE-BASED release : * Sebkha-Chott - Nigla[h] / Tapisseries Fines en XXX Strips et LXX/X Trompettes * This album is the third one of Sekbha-Chott, but it's the very first to be realized on the AMMD studios, described here: http://www.linuxmao.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=configurations+mat?rielles#AMMD_B4GSTUD As a result sounds and graphical designs have been done using FREE SOFTWARES ONLY/ As always with Sebkha-Chott, this album is placed under Free Art License. You can find it here: You can download a tune here[1]: [1] The album is not fully uploaded yet. www.sebkhachott.net Hope you won't take it as a simple promotionnal mail, it really has an implication to use free softawres only for us. All the best. -- ============================== ORL /// AMMD Booking (www.ammd.net) ? Sebkha-Chott (www.sebkhachott.net - Ohreland [FR]) - next touring period: 11/2008 ? Unexpect (www.unexpect.com - Montr?al [CA]) - Europe tour w/ Sebkha-Chott period: 11/2008 ? La Muette (www.myspace.com/muette - Paris [FR]) - next touring period: tba ? Mel-P (www.mel-p.net - Le Mans [FR]) - next touring period: 01-02/2009 Phone: +33 (0)2 43 52 15 77 From orl at ammd.net Mon Dec 8 04:54:30 2008 From: orl at ammd.net (Aurelien) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:54:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [OT] AMMD's 1st FULLY-FREE-BASED release In-Reply-To: <20081208085903.GC24905@sebkhachott.net> References: <20081208085903.GC24905@sebkhachott.net> Message-ID: <20081208095430.GM24905@sebkhachott.net> Sorry, I forgot the audio links: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:59:03AM +0100, Aur?lien Roux wrote : > You can find it here: http://www.musearecords.com/ext_re_new_releaseselect.php?np=35944 > You can download a tune here: http://sebkhachottband.free.fr/productions_Sebkha-Chott/audios/Sebkha-Chott-Niglah/niglah_part_I/Niglah_part_I_ogg_256.ogg http://sebkhachottband.free.fr/productions_Sebkha-Chott/audios/Sebkha-Chott-Niglah/niglah_part_I/Niglah_part_I_mp3_256.mp3 http://sebkhachottband.free.fr/productions_Sebkha-Chott/audios/Sebkha-Chott-Niglah/niglah_part_I/Niglah_part_I_flac.flac -- ============================== ORL /// AMMD Booking (www.ammd.net) ? Sebkha-Chott (www.sebkhachott.net - Ohreland [FR]) - next touring period: 11/2008 ? Unexpect (www.unexpect.com - Montr?al [CA]) - Europe tour w/ Sebkha-Chott period: 11/2008 ? La Muette (www.myspace.com/muette - Paris [FR]) - next touring period: tba ? Mel-P (www.mel-p.net - Le Mans [FR]) - next touring period: 01-02/2009 Phone: +33 (0)2 43 52 15 77 From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Mon Dec 8 08:50:06 2008 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:50:06 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Are there any apps that do shaped notes? In-Reply-To: References: <20081111170345.GA14360@footils.org> <1226426995.27975.5.camel@jjbenham-laptop> Message-ID: <1228744207.9821.7.camel@jjbenham-laptop> On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 14:39 -0500, Christopher Stamper wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Jeremiah Benham > wrote: > You should check to see if the current denemo meets your > needs. You can > do different noteheads in it. If it can't do the notehead you > want and > lilypond supports it email the denemo-devel mailing list and > let us > know. > > It doesn't seem to be able to do it. The noteheads provided do not > include traditional shaped notes. > > It seems to me that using the 'lilypond directive': > \aikenHeads > should do it but it doesn't work. I wrote something in denemo and I clicked on the first note. Then I selected MainMenu->Other->Insert Lilypond in the popup I put it: \aikenHeads Now the entire score has aikenHeads on it. This was with the current git version but I am sure it works for earlier versions also. I think the oldest it may work on is .7.8 or .7.9. I am not sure at the moment. Jeremiah > > FWIW, denemo is a *lot* better than it was last time I used it. Good > work! > > Any other apps, anyone? > > > -- > Christopher Stamper > > Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com > Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg > gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r > Skype: cdstamper > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user From gprestonc at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 20:03:12 2008 From: gprestonc at gmail.com (Preston C.) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:03:12 -0500 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... Message-ID: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering what a really good software reverb was for Linux? I am using QSampler and would like to have some reverb for the instruments? Thanks. From cimo75 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 20:41:15 2008 From: cimo75 at gmail.com (simone-www.io-lab.org) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:41:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> References: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: freeverb sounds really nice On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Preston C. wrote: > I was wondering what a really good software reverb was for Linux? I am > using QSampler and would like to have some reverb for the instruments? > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be accepted and/or viewed.... From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 21:20:56 2008 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:20:56 +1100 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: References: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:41 PM, simone-www. io-lab. org wrote: > freeverb sounds really nice > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Preston C. wrote: >> I was wondering what a really good software reverb was for Linux? I am >> using QSampler and would like to have some reverb for the instruments? >> Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > > > -- > .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be > accepted and/or viewed.... > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Jconv? or other convolution based ones. They sounds great. Loki From arnold at arnoldarts.de Tue Dec 9 04:10:41 2008 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:10:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> References: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812091010.53856.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Tuesday 09 December 2008 02:03:12 Preston C. wrote: > I was wondering what a really good software reverb was for Linux? I am > using QSampler and would like to have some reverb for the instruments? If you just want the sound in your headphone to be less dry, a simple plate- reverb might be all you need. If you want more take a look at freeverb or the various convolution engines. When doing mixes I tend to use delay far more the reverb. Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081209/628f2be9/attachment.htm From rncbc at rncbc.org Tue Dec 9 06:33:21 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:33:21 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! In-Reply-To: <4939A654.3060001@rncbc.org> References: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> <5eb95dc90812051332odb00aeau22fd01875e59bd3c@mail.gmail.com> <4939A654.3060001@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <493E5781.6050508@rncbc.org> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Emanuel Rumpf wrote: >> Adjusting the icon/symbol sizes doesn't seem two work. > > uhoh, now you tell me. funny thing is previous versions (probably ever > since qt4 migration 1.5years ago) suffer from the same: the connections > widget icons do change but their size is kept down-scaled to 16x16. > > will get fixed next time i get back to it :) > that's it: connection window icon sizes are now effective on qjackctl-0.3.4.1+ (cvs head) cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 9 06:41:58 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:41:58 -0500 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: <291cdeab0812090327x61398234l686c032c448c2c20@mail.gmail.com> References: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> <200812091010.53856.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <291cdeab0812090327x61398234l686c032c448c2c20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493E5986.5040200@woh.rr.com> Ray Rashif wrote: > I like the C* Plate 2x2 - it sounds close to the quality of Pro Tools' > reverb. I wouldn't know if it's comparable to PT's verb, but I do like that one. I use it on almost everything I record. It's especially nice for vocals. Best, dp From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Tue Dec 9 09:09:17 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:09:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's "Gigsaw" Message-ID: <493E7C0D.4050200@free.fr> Hi all, Except from the fact that drums samples are always short ( no need of sustain, only a triggering), is there some reasons why the drums are always writing with very short durations? Especially I mean CPU's ressources and others. And more especially from the CC7, do they interact with the duration of the notes? ( Because for an easier reading i'm writing the patterns from sixty-fourth note up to eighth note.) -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From kevinc at cosgroves.us Tue Dec 9 11:10:04 2008 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:10:04 -0800 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: <493E5986.5040200@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20081209161006.DA1B4BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 9 December 2008 at 6:41, Dave Phillips wrote: > Ray Rashif wrote: > > I like the C* Plate 2x2 - it sounds close to the quality of Pro Tools' > > reverb. > I wouldn't know if it's comparable to PT's verb, but I do like that one. > I use it on almost everything I record. It's especially nice for vocals. Nobody's mentioned Gverb yet? I really like the flexibility I get with it and it sounds really good on everything I've used it on to date, that would be vox, drums & guitars. All the other instruments I've mixed come already wet. I'll have to check out that C* Plate 2x2. Is it LADSPA? I don't recognize the name. Thanks... -- Kevin From perodog at gmx.net Tue Dec 9 11:15:59 2008 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:15:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: <20081209161006.DA1B4BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20081209161006.DA1B4BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: <493E99BF.3030700@gmx.net> Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > On 9 December 2008 at 6:41, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >> Ray Rashif wrote: >> >>> I like the C* Plate 2x2 - it sounds close to the quality of Pro Tools' >>> reverb. >>> >> I wouldn't know if it's comparable to PT's verb, but I do like that one. >> I use it on almost everything I record. It's especially nice for vocals. >> > > Nobody's mentioned Gverb yet? I really like the flexibility I get > with it and it sounds really good on everything I've used it on to > date, that would be vox, drums & guitars. All the other instruments > I've mixed come already wet. I'll have to check out that C* Plate 2x2. > Is it LADSPA? I don't recognize the name. > > Thanks... > > -- > Kevin > > hallo, C*...is the caps plugin (ladspa). sins some newer version it is called c*. if your system still shows 'caps' plugins i would encourage you to update the plugins, because the newer version is more stable and it contains some more plugins. cheers, doc From fbar at footils.org Tue Dec 9 11:28:08 2008 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:28:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: <291cdeab0812090327x61398234l686c032c448c2c20@mail.gmail.com> References: <666e6e380812081703q4851384ev6c4d2168f353810@mail.gmail.com> <200812091010.53856.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <291cdeab0812090327x61398234l686c032c448c2c20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081209162808.GA13686@footils.org> Hallo, Ray Rashif hat gesagt: // Ray Rashif wrote: > I like the C* Plate 2x2 - it sounds close to the quality of Pro Tools' > reverb. And here's an instructive Pd version of the same algorithm (I didn't do any listening tests to compare the two implementations): http://www.hornquist.se/pd/jon/ some docs: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-05/061959.html Ciao -- Frank From bengan at bag.org Tue Dec 9 11:32:21 2008 From: bengan at bag.org (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:32:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: <20081209161006.DA1B4BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20081209161006.DA1B4BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: <200812091732.23041.bengan@bag.org> Den Tuesday 09 December 2008 17.10.04 skrev Kevin Cosgrove: > On 9 December 2008 at 6:41, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Ray Rashif wrote: > > > I like the C* Plate 2x2 - it sounds close to the quality of Pro Tools' > > > reverb. > > > > I wouldn't know if it's comparable to PT's verb, but I do like that one. > > I use it on almost everything I record. It's especially nice for vocals. > > Nobody's mentioned Gverb yet? I really like the flexibility I get > with it and it sounds really good on everything I've used it on to > date, that would be vox, drums & guitars. All the other instruments > I've mixed come already wet. I'll have to check out that C* Plate 2x2. > Is it LADSPA? I don't recognize the name. Yes. A very nice reverb. I use it a lot. It's LADSPA, CAPS You could try to run this line: analyseplugin caps Plate2x2 or just a listplugins will also do /bengan From christopherstamper at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 11:57:38 2008 From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:57:38 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Are there any apps that do shaped notes? In-Reply-To: <1228744207.9821.7.camel@jjbenham-laptop> References: <20081111170345.GA14360@footils.org> <1226426995.27975.5.camel@jjbenham-laptop> <1228744207.9821.7.camel@jjbenham-laptop> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Jeremiah Benham wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 14:39 -0500, Christopher Stamper wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Jeremiah Benham > > wrote: > > You should check to see if the current denemo meets your > > needs. You can > > do different noteheads in it. If it can't do the notehead you > > want and > > lilypond supports it email the denemo-devel mailing list and > > let us > > know. > > > > It doesn't seem to be able to do it. The noteheads provided do not > > include traditional shaped notes. > > > > It seems to me that using the 'lilypond directive': > > \aikenHeads > > should do it but it doesn't work. > > I wrote something in denemo and I clicked on the first note. Then I > selected MainMenu->Other->Insert Lilypond > > in the popup I put it: > \aikenHeads > > Now the entire score has aikenHeads on it. > > This was with the current git version but I am sure it works for earlier > versions also. I think the oldest it may work on is .7.8 or .7.9. I am > not sure at the moment. > Thanks! I'll try it today, can't wait! -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I get the latency down to 2.7ms (64 > > Frames per period). > > Btw.: all USB soundcards have the same latency. I guess that's because USB has a certain required latency? Interesting, either way... > > > I use a Terratec Phase 26, which is very inexpensive in Europe (i.e. 99 > Eur new) as you can get it unbundled from the useless Windows software > at various dealers. Sounds good too. I'll check it out. Thanks for the suggestions! -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081209/5fbf003d/attachment.htm From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Tue Dec 9 12:15:34 2008 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:15:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin Cosgrove: >> Ray Rashif wrote: >>> I like the C* Plate 2x2 - it sounds close to the quality of Pro Tools' >>> reverb. >> I wouldn't know if it's comparable to PT's verb, but I do like that one. >> I use it on almost everything I record. It's especially nice for vocals. > > Nobody's mentioned Gverb yet? I really like the flexibility I get > with it and it sounds really good on everything I've used it on to > date, that would be vox, drums & guitars. All the other instruments I second that. For me, at least, it has been easier to get a natural sounding reverb out of gverb than freeverb. Also check out Fons' version of gverb: "This reverb is based on gverb by Juhana Sadeharju, but the code (now C++) is entirely original. I added a second input for stereo operation, and some code to prevent FP denormalisation. This is a preliminary release, and this plugin will probably change a lot in future versions." From fbar at footils.org Tue Dec 9 14:12:51 2008 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:12:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081206151229.GA18896@footils.org> <1228652711.23162.1.camel@localhost> <20081207125421.GA21804@footils.org> Message-ID: <20081209191251.GC14060@footils.org> Hallo, Christopher Stamper hat gesagt: // Christopher Stamper wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > > Btw.: all USB soundcards have the same latency. > > I guess that's because USB has a certain required latency? Interesting, > either way... The minimal latency you can get with USB is mainly limited by the USB bus, not by what is at the other end of the cable. I was able to play with 32 sample period in Jack and even one power lower using a cheap Burr/Brown-chipset USB card (Terratec Aureon, though any card will do) - but that's not very stable and only works for a short time unless you have a really well tuned system (which I haven't). Ciao -- Frank From arnold at arnoldarts.de Tue Dec 9 17:41:27 2008 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:41:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20081207125421.GA21804@footils.org> Message-ID: <200812092341.31831.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Tuesday 09 December 2008 18:04:20 Christopher Stamper wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Btw.: all USB soundcards have the same latency. > I guess that's because USB has a certain required latency? Interesting, > either way... Actually with _every_ digital audio you get latency. "Zero Latency" is only possible in analog audio processing and even there it might fail do to phase- shifts of capacities and coils. In the digital world there is always some delay in the analog-digital- converter and in the digital-analog-converter. There is always some buffering between the converters and the chip of the sound-device. And then there is the transport to the pc's ram and cpu (with buffering). So even with PCI-cards you always have latency. But with usb (and firewire) you have a transport additional to the pci-bus, which adds extra latency. And it doesn't matter which usb-device you use, if it uses usb as transport, they all have the same latency in your machine. Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081209/05a7b7cd/attachment.pgp From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Tue Dec 9 22:10:36 2008 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?utf-8?q?Sacr=C3=A9?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:10:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's "Gigsaw" In-Reply-To: <493E7C0D.4050200@free.fr> References: <493E7C0D.4050200@free.fr> Message-ID: <200812100410.36336.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Tuesday 09 December 2008 15:09:17 Philippe Hezaine wrote: > Except from the fact that drums samples are always short ( no need of > sustain, only a triggering), is there some reasons why the drums are > always writing with very short durations? I don't think there's a technical reason why drum notes couldn't be longer. There's just no need for it, because the note-off is ignored anyway. Also, two MIDI notes on the same "key" can't overlap, and making all notes very short is an easy way for a sequencer to avoid that. > And more especially from the CC7, do they interact with the duration of > the notes? The volume controller doesn't interact with individual notes at all. It just changes the volume immediately, affecting all notes on the respective channel, even those which are already playing at that time. Dominic From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Tue Dec 9 22:44:32 2008 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:44:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] MIDI Routing/Mixing (Korg X50) In-Reply-To: <493C5A44.7060409@systemparadox.co.uk> References: <493C5A44.7060409@systemparadox.co.uk> Message-ID: <200812100444.32692.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Monday 08 December 2008 00:20:36 Simon Williams wrote: > Say I assign a synth pad and a piano sound to channel 1. Then I try to > change the volume of the synth pad (using MIDI control 7), using the > knobs on either the X50, or the MK (it doesn't matter which). What I > find is that the piano, being on the same channel, also has its volume > adjusted. Sure, I can use the MIDI filter feature on the X50 to say that > the piano ignores volume changes, but then I can't fade out the piano if > I want to. > > Anyone got any suggestions on how to overcome this? Currently the only > way I can think of is to send all MIDI events via my laptop and get it > to duplicate the note on/off events and send them to all the relevant > channels. Is this my only option? Surely the X50 has a better way than > this? Well, that's what MIDI channels are for :) I very much doubt that the X50 (or almost any other synth for that matter) can be configured so that one sound responds to note events on one channel, and controller events on another. I don't know the MK-461C. Does it allow you to split the keyboard into multiple (possibly overlapping) zones that send on different channels? If not, using the laptop to route/duplicate MIDI events is probably your best bet. > Also, how well would MIDI cope with this? I have heard people mention > that MIDI doesn't work so well if you send lots of data down it (like 8 > duplicates of the each note on/off message?). Even if your equipment can handle it, it's probably not a good idea to send so many events for each note played. MIDI has a very low bandwidth (31.25 kbit/s, assuming a standard MIDI cable with DIN connectors). I may be oversimplifying a bit, but as a rule of thumb you can send little more than one MIDI event per millisecond. Let's say you play a chord with 5 notes, and for each note 8 events get sent. Then the last event will arrive about 30 ms later than the first. It'll be easily noticable that the notes don't sound at the same time, which is even worse than latency alone. > If this is my only option, does anyone know of any better MIDI > router/mixer software? Currently the only one I know of is > soundfontcombi, but it's not very flexible, and doesn't work so well > with JACK's auto patchbay connections. If flexibility is what you want, and you can live without a GUI, take a look at mididings (http://das.nasophon.de/mididings/). I guess it has a pretty steep learning curve, especially if you're not a programmer, but I'm sure it can do everything you need (and also a few things no one will ever need ;)) Cheers, Dominic From mysthr21 at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 02:16:29 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:16:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) Message-ID: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just want to report my experience. Since several weeks now, I and a friend of mine were searching for a software, or an utility on Linux, capable of synchronizing our two computers. We could synchronize the transport, but there were always some things missing for the tempo... So yesterday, we decided to try netjack. Here our config : Two laptops connected via a router/switch with ethernet. One laptop with a sound card the other, just nothing. the laptop with a sound card was acting as the Master the other was acting as the Slave. On the Slave, you open a terminal and just run jackd with the net backend : $ jackd -R -d net So on the master you run jackd with qjackctl like you do normally. Then you open a terminal and run : $ jack_netsource -h 192.168.12.13 (the ip of the slave machine) That's all !! I couldn't imagine that it was so easy to use. And we played severals hour without any deconnection. Now I just have to sell my sound card :) ! By the way I would like to point up some things : * I would like to test the --celt option. But I can't understand what the "N bytes per period" option are. * It seems that xruns on the master computer made some desynchronizations. * On seq24, on the slave computer, I had to configure the option with "Jack Transport" AND "Master JACK" ... a bit disapointing... We lost so much time finding this very logical configuration. * So the problem was seq24 on the slave machine was running at this own tempo. If the master use 120BPM and the Slave 110, they are not synchronized. But if you put 120 on both, it seems to be synchronized... Well I think there is a bug in seq24 or something. I didn't try with other softwares. But I have some doubt about the real tempo synchronization. Thank you very much for this great apps that change our lives :) Cheers, Mysth-R -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081210/4887bedf/attachment.htm From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Wed Dec 10 05:05:26 2008 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:05:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493F9466.3030205@folkwang-hochschule.de> Mysth-R wrote: > Hi, > > I just want to report my experience. Since several weeks now, I and a > friend of mine were searching for a software, or an utility on Linux, > capable of synchronizing our two computers. > > We could synchronize the transport, but there were always some things > missing for the tempo... > So yesterday, we decided to try netjack. Here our config : > > Two laptops connected via a router/switch with ethernet. > One laptop with a sound card the other, just nothing. > > the laptop with a sound card was acting as the Master > the other was acting as the Slave. > > On the Slave, you open a terminal and just run jackd with the net > backend : $ jackd -R -d net > So on the master you run jackd with qjackctl like you do normally. Then > you open a terminal and run : $ jack_netsource -h 192.168.12.13 > (the ip of the slave machine) > > That's all !! I couldn't imagine that it was so easy to use. And we > played severals hour without any deconnection. > > Now I just have to sell my sound card :) ! > > By the way I would like to point up some things : > > * I would like to test the --celt option. But I can't understand what > the "N bytes per period" option are. torben (hohn, the author of netjack) explained to me that it's the number of bytes used for a period (i.e. the amount of compression). say your period size is 128. uncompressed, that would be 128 * 32bit = 512 bytes. when you say -c 40, celt will cram that signal into 40 bytes, which corresponds to a 512/40= 12.8:1 compression ratio. > * It seems that xruns on the master computer made some desynchronizations. > * On seq24, on the slave computer, I had to configure the option with > "Jack Transport" AND "Master JACK" ... a bit disapointing... We lost so > much time finding this very logical configuration. > * So the problem was seq24 on the slave machine was running at this own > tempo. If the master use 120BPM and the Slave 110, they are not > synchronized. But if you put 120 on both, it seems to be synchronized... > Well I think there is a bug in seq24 or something. I didn't try with > other softwares. But I have some doubt about the real tempo synchronization. i guess there is still an issue with jack transport over netjack. in any case, please join #jack on irc.freenode.net, torben usually hangs out there, and most of the testing sessions happen there. best, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Dec 10 07:38:54 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:38:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ubuntu Hard real time kernel (2.6.24-21) poor performance. In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0812052241j3b181f5cga77bc64cb66dab9e@mail.gmail.com> (Lee Revell's message of "Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:41:10 -0500") References: <1224836996.7085.0.camel@TOMO001> <873aimm0cp.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <1224892074.17384.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <493727EB.8050500@andrei.myip.org> <75b66ecd0812052241j3b181f5cga77bc64cb66dab9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <871vwggq75.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> "Lee Revell" writes: > I think the issue is that the Linux audio community has not been > very engaged with kernel development lately (except for Fernando) > and naturally the kernel devs will assume that if no one complains > to them then it's all good. Isn't the problem about the kernel lock thing. According to that article on kerneltrap, as I understand it, it would take quite some time to remedy this regression and that's probably why there will be no rt release for a while?. -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From torbenh at gmx.de Wed Dec 10 07:37:19 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:37:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 08:16:29AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > * I would like to test the --celt option. But I can't understand what the "N > bytes per period" option are. it tells celt to compress one period of data to N bytes. i use -c32 for internet connections generally. sounds ok. if you can cope with lower quality lower it and add more channels. be careful to not max out the link, because this will give you netxruns. using celt you will only hear a lot of them, but they degrade the quality. > * It seems that xruns on the master computer made some desynchronizations. oh... right this can happen. i need to think about how i can fix this. > * On seq24, on the slave computer, I had to configure the option with "Jack > Transport" AND "Master JACK" ... a bit disapointing... We lost so much time > finding this very logical configuration. sorry, i was not really clear about this. netjack only synchronizes the frame count. not the tempo information. So you need a Transport Master on both ends. The problem is that the slave transport is basically running in the future to compensate for the latency of the network link. I cant know of tempo changes ahead of time. So its mostly impossible, to add N frames, to beats:bars information. Tempo changes would at least become flakey. > * So the problem was seq24 on the slave machine was running at this own > tempo. If the master use 120BPM and the Slave 110, they are not > synchronized. But if you put 120 on both, it seems to be synchronized... > Well I think there is a bug in seq24 or something. I didn't try with other > softwares. But I have some doubt about the real tempo synchronization. as stated, it only synchronizes the framecount. netjack2 seems to do complete tempo synchronisation, but i dont know if its latency compensated. and i also had somebody reporting, that it just fails with an assert triggered. > > Thank you very much for this great apps that change our lives :) no problem. just spread the word. i still have the feeling, not many people are using it :S while there is obviously much use for it. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From david.jo.adler at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 09:11:02 2008 From: david.jo.adler at gmail.com (David Adler) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:11:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> Message-ID: <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> Hi, >> * So the problem was seq24 on the slave machine was running at this own >> tempo. If the master use 120BPM and the Slave 110, they are not >> synchronized. But if you put 120 on both, it seems to be synchronized... >> Well I think there is a bug in seq24 or something. I didn't try with other >> softwares. But I have some doubt about the real tempo synchronization. > > as stated, it only synchronizes the framecount. > netjack2 seems to do complete tempo synchronisation, but i dont know > if its latency compensated. and i also had somebody reporting, > that it just fails with an assert triggered. > are you running on 64bit? Still no tempo sync, but the new release of seq24 fixes this: [...] Fixed Bugs * Fixed BPM saving on 64 bit platforms." [...] Have a look at this post: http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--seq24-0.9.0-%28Rejoicing-Rika%29-is-out-td20740927.html ) best, d From moura at kdewebdev.org Wed Dec 10 09:11:15 2008 From: moura at kdewebdev.org (Paulo Moura Guedes) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:11:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Digital bit perfect ouptut with ALSA Message-ID: <200812101411.16160.moura@kdewebdev.org> Hi, I'm trying to get bit perfect output out of my linux box, but I can't find much info on the web. I'm using ALSA. Some questions: - does Linux/ALSA features dynamic sample rates? - is it possible to set the bit-depth? (in my case to 24 bit) - what other variables do i have to consider to get bit transparent ouput, i.e., no resampling at all? Thanks in advance, Paulo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leslie -- LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/polzer Xing Profile: https://www.xing.com/profile/LeslieP_Polzer Blog: http://blog.viridian-project.de/ From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 13:15:43 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:15:43 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Cowboy composing In-Reply-To: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> References: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812101015k9e04927x14e643538d544dfa@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Leslie P. Polzer wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for hints that will help me get started in composing > a piece all of my own. > > I'm just a hobby musician with modest guitar and keyboard > skills and just enough drum knowledge to get something > acceptable in Hydrogen. > > How do you start? Percussion, Bass, Lead? How do you continue? > How do you actually get something together? :) > > I find I can do nice separate pieces but have trouble to come > up with something coherent... > > Thanks for any hints! > > Leslie > I think the hardest things when starting is to get a tempo you can build in. It requires one of two things: 1) A first player who can play all of the song (or major portions) on tempo or 2) That you use a metronome of one type or another an play along with it. If you're new to this try it both ways but my experience is that most people cannot play the right tempo by themselves for long periods of time so you might be better off with the metronome, either something external or just using Ardour's click track. It also depends on how you see yourself adding drums, assuming you intend to add them at all. If you're going to record them then get a rhythm track down first. If you're going to use loops, then grab a few loops at the right tempo, build the drum track from the loops first (i.e. - those are the metronome) and play along with it to build you first audio tracks. Later dump the loops if they aren't right for the song. However, if you're going to use MIDI to do the drums then you'll almost certainly want to build a MIDI metronome using a MIDI track and a few drum samples to keep time. Personally, being a guitar player primarily, I often grab a synth and playing some pad setting will record all the major chord changes. When I record my first guitar parts - usually rhythm/backing guitar -I find that easy to play along with. One of my favorite Windows tools - Acid Pro - makes it easy to graph out major parts of the song so that I can see changes coming. It also allows me to easily change tempos inside the song. That makes my guitar playing a bit easier. When I get something good I'll then consider moving it to Ardour on Linux if the project is likely to be a totally audio project. I never do MIDI on Linux personally. Don't know if this really answers your question. Hope it helps though. Cheers, Mark From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Dec 10 13:55:16 2008 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:55:16 -0800 Subject: [LAU] HDMI ? In-Reply-To: <492AEABB.1060901@woh.rr.com> References: <492AEABB.1060901@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <49401094.8050503@andrei.myip.org> Dave Phillips wrote: > > I looked up some information regarding HDMI. The new notebook has an > HDMI port, I wondered if anyone here has any experience using such a port. Good article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_hdmi&num=1 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From toby at tobiah.org Wed Dec 10 15:06:23 2008 From: toby at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:06:23 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4940213F.50803@tobiah.org> I have one of these. Nice and quiet mic preamps. http://tinyurl.com/64bl7u You might look at Marshall for a cheap but useable mic. > I'm thinking about finally upgrading from my cheap soundblaster+mic to > something of a little higher quality. I'm thinking along the lines of an > external firewire/usb box and some kind of low-cost mic. From toby at tobiah.org Wed Dec 10 15:22:23 2008 From: toby at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:23 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Cowboy composing In-Reply-To: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> References: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> Message-ID: <494024FF.7070305@tobiah.org> Leslie P. Polzer wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for hints that will help me get started in composing > a piece all of my own. Think of the piece as written communication. Have a major theme in mind - the thing that you want to express with this piece. Let's say it's about your sunglasses. Find out how you feel about your sunglasses. They are just so cool, only a fool, would use anything else to block the sun. Wear them with a smile, and all the while there's no better way to have fun. There is the chorus. Now think of three things that support the chorus. * They were inexpensive, I got a good deal. * They protect my eyes from the sun. * They make me look good, and women are more attracted to me when I wear them. Now flesh out a rhyme for each and you have your verses. Say the chorus over and over until the natural variations in pitch and timing come about and think about translating those into a melody. Exaggerate the contours of both. Write down the resulting notes of the melody and find out what chords make sense harmonizing that melody. Now juggle the chords and the melody so that they are musically interesting. Now you have the bones that you can hang meat off of. Choose your instruments, and record. Season with catchy riffs and percussion effects. Taking a structured approach to the process, always driven by keeping the main them of the communication in mind will probably yield a surprising result. Stick with only paper and pencil as long as you can, then lean how to play your piece. If you start with your instrument you will inevitably fall into the trap of having all of your pieces sound the same, and you will limit your creativity to what your fingers already know. If you write the piece first, then learn how to play it and sing it, you may experience the feeling that someone else wrote the piece. After writing many pieces you will find that they may be quite diverse in style but still have an unmistakable common feel. That is your newly found compositional voice. Evolve the process so that it is more personal and sophisticated. You will find that you are never out of material, because there is always something new in your life to express. If you stick with the chords you already know, and use the two same strumming patterns, you are guaranteed to run out of ideas quickly. From sed at free.fr Wed Dec 10 16:46:32 2008 From: sed at free.fr (Cedric Roux) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:46:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Cowboy composing In-Reply-To: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> References: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> Message-ID: <1228945592.494038b87f234@imp.free.fr> Quoting "Leslie P. Polzer" : > > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for hints that will help me get started in composing > a piece all of my own. > > I'm just a hobby musician with modest guitar and keyboard > skills and just enough drum knowledge to get something > acceptable in Hydrogen. > > How do you start? Percussion, Bass, Lead? How do you continue? > How do you actually get something together? :) > > I find I can do nice separate pieces but have trouble to come > up with something coherent... > > Thanks for any hints! > > Leslie > > -- > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/polzer > Xing Profile: https://www.xing.com/profile/LeslieP_Polzer > Blog: http://blog.viridian-project.de/ My 2 cents, for what it's worth. I first think about the lyrics. While writing them I also think about the rhythm. Then I write the rhythm (using my tool vdm, with which you write rhythms as if they were pieces of C code). Then I launch songs (another tool of mine, a mini ardour) and think about some music, playing the guitar with the rhythm in my ears (or a simplified version of the rhythm). When I'm satisfied with a line/riff, I record it. Generally twice, one for the left channel and one for the right. Then I add some other guitar parts, like kind of "solos." Then I record the voice, with the guitar+drums in background. (So I need a full-duplex soundcard.) But I guess I am not very representative of folks on the list. I mean, if I want some effects or something I first have to write some software for it, so... And I mostly do metal stuff. Some variations are possible. For example, for the next piece, I already know I will put some 7/8, 9/8, 10/8 and 12/8 rhythms, because turkish music and flamenco have funny rhythms I want to have fun with. But I first need to let my tools work under windows, since I lost my computer. I will do it all with someone else's computer, which does not run linux, and I can do nothing about that. Anyway, that's it. Take care, Cedric. Oh yeah, my software are at: http://sed.free.fr but they are very minimalistic, so you surely don't need them. You may want to take a look at vdm, it's a funny drum machine (well, funny for me...). From gprestonc at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 18:27:20 2008 From: gprestonc at gmail.com (Preston C.) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:27:20 -0500 Subject: [LAU] best reverb... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <666e6e380812101527o23eae563w946a223daae4d807@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the help. From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 10 19:12:01 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:12:01 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Cowboy composing In-Reply-To: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> References: <62393.88.73.222.32.1228928402.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org> Message-ID: <20081211001201.GB25938@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:00:02PM +0100, Leslie P. Polzer wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for hints that will help me get started in composing > a piece all of my own. > > I'm just a hobby musician with modest guitar and keyboard > skills and just enough drum knowledge to get something > acceptable in Hydrogen. > > How do you start? Percussion, Bass, Lead? How do you continue? > How do you actually get something together? :) > > I find I can do nice separate pieces but have trouble to come > up with something coherent... > > Thanks for any hints! > First, you need the hat. Then, the boots. Wranglers help too. The ponytail optional only, if you want to write catchy crossover dance hit songs, and get your daughter a hit TV show. Best of luck! -ken From gurusonic at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 21:37:54 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:37:54 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Audio Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4940213F.50803@tobiah.org> References: <4940213F.50803@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <49407D02.6020800@gmail.com> Tobiah wrote: > I have one of these. Nice and quiet mic preamps. > > http://tinyurl.com/64bl7u > > You might look at Marshall for a cheap but useable mic. > > >> I'm thinking about finally upgrading from my cheap soundblaster+mic to >> something of a little higher quality. I'm thinking along the lines of an >> external firewire/usb box and some kind of low-cost mic. >> I just bought an Audio-Technica AT2020 and AT2010 in a packaged pair for under $AU200. Excellent quality for the price. There is even a USB model of the 2020 available! From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Dec 10 21:45:58 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:45:58 -0800 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [FFADO-devel] [ANN] FFADO 2.0 Release Candidate 1 (1.999.40) available In-Reply-To: <49289C5D.7020101@joow.be> References: <49289C5D.7020101@joow.be> Message-ID: <1228963558.30106.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 00:57 +0100, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Hi, > > The FFADO team is proud to announce the first release candidate for > FFADO 2.0. > > This release candidate is intended to collect feedback about the library > under wide-spread usage. The code should be free of major bugs. > > We are looking for packagers that are interested in creating packages > for their favorite distribution. Please contact us if you can help us > out with this. I'm working on Planet CCRMA (Fedora) packages based on Jarod Wilson's spec file. There is something missing from rc1 which is a way to easily install in a destination directory that is not PREFIX. The package build environment does not have write access to, say, /usr, and installs in a "buildroot", for example /var/tmp/faado/ (and inside that you have usr/, etc, etc). Usually programs include something like DESTDIR= to set that directory so that the install can be "redirected" without compromising all the internal paths and references which should still point to PREFIX. -- Fernando > > Release and download information: > http://www.ffado.org/?q=release/rc1 > > Currently, the installation options are: > * manual build from source > [http://www.ffado.org/?q=release/rc1] > * semi-automatic build from source into a 'sandbox' > [http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/SandboxInstalls] > * APT repository for Ubuntu Gutsy and Hardy (possibly others) > [http://www.ffado.org/?q=release/apt] > > Please test and report issues at our TRAC at http://subversion.ffado.org/ > or at the mailing list (ffado-devel at lists.sourceforge.net). Please take > note of http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/WritingGoodTickets when > reporting bugs. > > We ask all users of FreeBoB that are not yet testing FFADO to try this > release candidate. Note that FFADO can co-exist with FreeBoB without any > problems, so you can revert back to your original setup very easily. > > Enjoy, > > Pieter Palmers > ffado.org From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Dec 10 21:47:02 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:47:02 -0800 Subject: [LAU] [FFADO-devel] [ANN] FFADO 2.0 Release Candidate 1 (1.999.40) available In-Reply-To: <492A64D4.3000605@joow.be> References: <49289C5D.7020101@joow.be> <492A64D4.3000605@joow.be> Message-ID: <1228963622.30106.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 09:24 +0100, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Jack O'Quin wrote: > >> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Pieter Palmers wrote: > > > >>> The FFADO team is proud to announce the first release candidate for > >>> FFADO 2.0. > > > > I just tried the new libffado-2.0-rc1 with jack 0.113.3 (SVN) with my > > PreSonus FireBox on Ubuntu Hardy with the 2.6.24-21-rt kernel. The > > ffado-diag script says I have the old 1394 stack. Is that a problem? > > If so, how do I get the new one? > > The old stack is exactly what you need. Is it possible to make it work with the new stack? Could I send you information to try to debug that? With the old 1394 stack I just managed to get an Edirol FA-101 to work under Fedora 10, but the newer stack in Fedora's stock kernels does not get that far (it tries but fails)... -- Fernando > > > > The libffado.so got built and installed, but the JACK firewire backend > > could not find it, because ldconfig was apparently not run. So, I ran > > ldconfig by hand. Also, I notice there is no library versioning, yet. > > Is that intentional? > > Good question. Do you have any suggestions on how we should be doing it? > I remember that someone tried to do it, but didn't succeed. > > > > > After fixing that, I am still unable to start JACK. I tried resetting > > the bus via gscanbus, but it still does not come up. I am attaching > > the ffado-diag output and the ffado-jack.log. > > You are suffering from hostcontrolleritis. The O2 micro controller has > some issues that cause it to stall under certain conditions. > > There are few things that can help: > 1) applying the cycle skip patch to the 1394 kernel sources: > http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/TxSkipPatched > 2) decreasing the amount of kernel space buffering will result in > this being less likely to occur. You can specify a config file: > http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/ConfigFile > Setting the max_nb_buffers_xmit to 32 (or lower) should help. Note > however that this will result in a higher sensitivity to xruns since > this means that userspace has to refill the buffers every 32/2*8 frames. > > Probably the best solution is to get a better host controller. > > Greets, > > Pieter > > > > > $ jackd -Rv -P70 -d firewire -v6 -r48000 -p1024 -n3 2> ffado-jack.log > > > > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_freebob.so > > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so > > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so > > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_net.so > > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so > > getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so > > jackd 0.115.3 > > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > > registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio > > registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi > > clock source = system clock via clock_gettime > > start poll on 3 fd's > > loading driver .. > > new client: firewire_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x806ea80 fd = -1 > > new buffer size 1024 > > registered port system:capture_1, offset = 4096 > > registered port system:capture_2, offset = 8192 > > registered port system:capture_3, offset = 12288 > > registered port system:capture_4, offset = 16384 > > registered port system:capture_5, offset = 20480 > > registered port system:capture_6, offset = 24576 > > registered port firewire_pcm:C6_dev0_MidiIn, offset = 4096 > > registered port system:playback_1, offset = 0 > > registered port system:playback_2, offset = 0 > > registered port system:playback_3, offset = 0 > > registered port system:playback_4, offset = 0 > > registered port system:playback_5, offset = 0 > > registered port system:playback_6, offset = 0 > > registered port system:playback_7, offset = 0 > > registered port system:playback_8, offset = 0 > > registered port firewire_pcm:P8_dev0_MidiOut, offset = 0 > > ++ jack_sort_graph > > ++ jack_rechain_graph(): > > +++ client is now firewire_pcm active ? 1 > > client firewire_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. > > -- jack_rechain_graph() > > -- jack_sort_graph > > starting server engine shutdown > > stopping driver > > server thread back from poll > > unloading driver > > freeing shared port segments > > stopping server thread > > stopping watchdog thread > > last xrun delay: 0.000 usecs > > max delay reported by backend: 0.000 usecs > > freeing engine shared memory > > max usecs: 0.000, engine deleted From mysthr21 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 04:03:22 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:03:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> Message-ID: <907c05c70812110103m4746da76s20d86ebf7e5ba28e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/10 > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 08:16:29AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > > * I would like to test the --celt option. But I can't understand what the > "N > > bytes per period" option are. > > it tells celt to compress one period of data to N bytes. > i use -c32 for internet connections generally. sounds ok. > if you can cope with lower quality lower it and add more channels. > > be careful to not max out the link, because this will give you netxruns. > using celt you will only hear a lot of them, but they degrade the > quality. > > > * It seems that xruns on the master computer made some > desynchronizations. > > oh... right this can happen. > i need to think about how i can fix this. > > > > * On seq24, on the slave computer, I had to configure the option with > "Jack > > Transport" AND "Master JACK" ... a bit disapointing... We lost so much > time > > finding this very logical configuration. > > sorry, i was not really clear about this. > netjack only synchronizes the frame count. not the tempo information. > So you need a Transport Master on both ends. > > The problem is that the slave transport is basically running in the > future to compensate for the latency of the network link. > > I cant know of tempo changes ahead of time. So its mostly > impossible, to add N frames, to beats:bars information. > Tempo changes would at least become flakey. > Ok but If tempo on the master is 120 and tempo on the Slave is also 120, should it be ok ? Would it be always synchronized after hours and hours of rolling ? Because for our needs, we don't want to change tempo while Jack is rolling. Just fixe it at the begining and be sur that it will not be desynchronized after 1 or 2 hours.Can you confirm this ? > > > * So the problem was seq24 on the slave machine was running at this own > > tempo. If the master use 120BPM and the Slave 110, they are not > > synchronized. But if you put 120 on both, it seems to be synchronized... > > Well I think there is a bug in seq24 or something. I didn't try with > other > > softwares. But I have some doubt about the real tempo synchronization. > > as stated, it only synchronizes the framecount. > netjack2 seems to do complete tempo synchronisation, but i dont know > if its latency compensated. and i also had somebody reporting, > that it just fails with an assert triggered. > > > > > Thank you very much for this great apps that change our lives :) > > no problem. > just spread the word. i still have the feeling, not many > people are using it :S Yes of course ! In fact, I think not so many people are knowing the existence of this software. And perhaps those who know about it are a bit scared, ... like me at the begining... Because in my mind I though about too much difficulties ... how does it works ? is it easy to implement to use it ? In fact it was a bit obscur for me. But now I can affirm that it is very very easy to use it. I think I will post a bit of documentation on LinuxMao, the french Linux website. > > while there is obviously much use for it. > Is it possible to have more than one slave ? One master and several slave trough local network or internet ? By the way thank you for your precision about celt. It is not so clear in your website. Cheers, Mysth-R > > -- > torben Hohn > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081211/1fffe274/attachment.htm From mysthr21 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 04:09:19 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:09:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/10 David Adler > Hi, > > >> * So the problem was seq24 on the slave machine was running at this own > >> tempo. If the master use 120BPM and the Slave 110, they are not > >> synchronized. But if you put 120 on both, it seems to be synchronized... > >> Well I think there is a bug in seq24 or something. I didn't try with > other > >> softwares. But I have some doubt about the real tempo synchronization. > > > > as stated, it only synchronizes the framecount. > > netjack2 seems to do complete tempo synchronisation, but i dont know > > if its latency compensated. and i also had somebody reporting, > > that it just fails with an assert triggered. > > > > are you running on 64bit? > Still no tempo sync, but the new release of seq24 fixes this: > > [...] > Fixed Bugs > * Fixed BPM saving on 64 bit platforms." > [...] > > Have a look at this post: > > http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--seq24-0.9.0-%28Rejoicing-Rika%29-is-out-td20740927.html > ) > Well I was using this version of seq24. But what does "Fixed BPM saving" means ?? I don't really understand. You know, in seq24 there is 3 options : Jack Tranposrt Master Jack Master Conditionnal I was the slave. So in my mind, and logically, I checked "Jack Transport" and that's all. Because I am slave I don't need the Master options. But when my friend pressed the play button on his seq24, my "timeline indicator" on the top rigth of the windows in seq24, was disabled. Jack Transport was rolling, but seq24 didn't want to. The only way to make it run is to choose Jack Transport and Master Jack. I think this is a bug in seq24 Cheers, Mysth-R -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081211/5474860c/attachment.htm From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Dec 11 06:49:16 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:49:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <907c05c70812110103m4746da76s20d86ebf7e5ba28e@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <907c05c70812110103m4746da76s20d86ebf7e5ba28e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081211114916.GF11012@siel> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:03:22AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > 2008/12/10 > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 08:16:29AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > > > * I would like to test the --celt option. But I can't understand what the > > "N > > > bytes per period" option are. > > > > it tells celt to compress one period of data to N bytes. > > i use -c32 for internet connections generally. sounds ok. > > if you can cope with lower quality lower it and add more channels. > > > > be careful to not max out the link, because this will give you netxruns. > > using celt you will only hear a lot of them, but they degrade the > > quality. > > > > > * It seems that xruns on the master computer made some > > desynchronizations. > > > > oh... right this can happen. > > i need to think about how i can fix this. > > > > > > > * On seq24, on the slave computer, I had to configure the option with > > "Jack > > > Transport" AND "Master JACK" ... a bit disapointing... We lost so much > > time > > > finding this very logical configuration. > > > > sorry, i was not really clear about this. > > netjack only synchronizes the frame count. not the tempo information. > > So you need a Transport Master on both ends. > > > > The problem is that the slave transport is basically running in the > > future to compensate for the latency of the network link. > > > > I cant know of tempo changes ahead of time. So its mostly > > impossible, to add N frames, to beats:bars information. > > Tempo changes would at least become flakey. > > > Ok but If tempo on the master is 120 and tempo on the Slave is also 120, > should it be ok ? Would it be always synchronized after hours and hours of > rolling ? > Because for our needs, we don't want to change tempo while Jack is rolling. > Just fixe it at the begining and be sur that it will not be desynchronized > after 1 or 2 hours.Can you confirm this ? If it looses the sync its a bug. i will try to reproduce it with xruns on master. there might be desynchronisation happening, when the master xruns. there is one case, where desync would happen, which is not printed to the terminal. and another which is quite deceiving: "resync after freerun" this does not resync the transport. it resyncs the internal framecnt value, resulting in desynchronisation of transport. however i only expect these things to happen on a high latency, packet losing link. Not on a LAN. In any case start stop of transport would fix it, so if you have the feeling its loosing sync, just make a musical break. > > > * So the problem was seq24 on the slave machine was running at this own > > > tempo. If the master use 120BPM and the Slave 110, they are not > > > synchronized. But if you put 120 on both, it seems to be synchronized... > > > Well I think there is a bug in seq24 or something. I didn't try with > > other > > > softwares. But I have some doubt about the real tempo synchronization. > > > > as stated, it only synchronizes the framecount. > > netjack2 seems to do complete tempo synchronisation, but i dont know > > if its latency compensated. and i also had somebody reporting, > > that it just fails with an assert triggered. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for this great apps that change our lives :) > > > > no problem. > > just spread the word. i still have the feeling, not many > > people are using it :S > > Yes of course ! In fact, I think not so many people are knowing the > existence of this software. And perhaps those who know about it are a bit > scared, ... like me at the begining... Because in my mind I though about too > much difficulties ... how does it works ? is it easy to implement to use it > ? In fact it was a bit obscur for me. But now I can affirm that it is very > very easy to use it. I think I will post a bit of documentation on LinuxMao, > the french Linux website. cool. > > > > > while there is obviously much use for it. > > > Is it possible to have more than one slave ? One master and several slave > trough local network or internet ? yes. just start another jack_netsource. you might want to use the -j "name" option to give it a more speaking name. You can even run the jack_netsource on the slave, and slave another slave. But if possible use a star topology. > By the way thank you for your precision about celt. It is not so clear in > your website. The website is still just building up. And the internet stuff, still needs more testing. I was not able to connect with someone who had hydrogen running and do tranport tests. Note: not because it did not work, simply because i did not find anyone on irc, who was interested in testing transport. > Cheers, > Mysth-R > > > > > > -- > > torben Hohn > > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > > -- > * > *************************************************************************************** > * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} > * <= Aide Auditive => > * > * http://myspace.com/mysthr > * http://myspace.com/aideauditive > * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous > Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. > * > *************************************************************************************** -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Dec 11 07:03:33 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:03:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Synchronizing 2 computer with MIDI In-Reply-To: <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> References: <907c05c70811260129t21185f18qa8a681a78c6cfcae@mail.gmail.com> <20081130071338.GA7243@siel> <20081203130348.5f6734f6@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at> Message-ID: <20081211120333.GG11012@siel> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:03:48PM +0100, hollunder at gmx.at wrote: > On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:13:38 +0100 > torbenh at gmx.de wrote: > But is the lossy codec (celt) a good idea for a LAN? of course its not. i was talking about wireless here, which is losing packets, and celt can compensate for packet loss. celt-0.6.0 at 512kbit/s should be the way to go for such setups. i dont think that the quality reduction, will be audible, at such bitrate. And the packet losses would only degrade quality, but thats better than clicks and pops due to lost packets. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Dec 11 07:09:40 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:09:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081211120940.GA13611@siel> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:09:19AM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > 2008/12/10 David Adler > > > > Well I was using this version of seq24. But what does "Fixed BPM saving" > means ?? I don't really understand. > You know, in seq24 there is 3 options : > Jack Tranposrt > Master Jack > Master Conditionnal > I was the slave. So in my mind, and logically, I checked "Jack Transport" > and that's all. Because I am slave I don't need the Master options. > But when my friend pressed the play button on his seq24, my "timeline > indicator" on the top rigth of the windows in seq24, was disabled. Jack > Transport was rolling, but seq24 didn't want to. > The only way to make it run is to choose Jack Transport and Master Jack. > I think this is a bug in seq24 only half a bug, because netjack only syncs the transport framecount. the timebasmaster information is not transported, because i have yet to find out, how to add a fixed number of miliseconds to that information. thats not really possible because of tempo changes which might happen in the time added. > Cheers, > Mysth-R > > -- > * > *************************************************************************************** > * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} > * <= Aide Auditive => > * > * http://myspace.com/mysthr > * http://myspace.com/aideauditive > * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous > Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. > * > *************************************************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 08:57:42 2008 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (The Other) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:57:42 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio Message-ID: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> Hello All, Summary: Is there any tutorial on PulseAudio and Linux Audio so I can can learn how to record and playback using a PCI sound card (Audigy2 ZS)? In October I upgraded from Fedora 6 and Planet CCRMA to Fedora 9. I immediately discovered PulseAudio was now the default sound server. Okay. Still waiting on the CCRMA repositories for Fedora 9. (Any idea when that will come along? Fedora is now up to version 10.) I installed everything in the free and nonfree repositories that had anything to do with OSS, ALSA, and PulseAudio. This is because PulseAudio insists on using the PC motherboard's speaker for output. I have no clue what PulseAudio is trying to use for recording. I am able to use Audacity to record a RealPlayer audio stream from Internet radio (that's very nice, I also upgraded from Dial-up to high-speed DSL at the same time.) But trying to record from the DVD drive and Audacity is not working. Trying to record anything with qjackctl and ardour2 is not working either. I tried to remove PulseAudio, but that pretty much broke all sound on the machine. Any ideas how to edit a PulseAudio configuration file to remove the motherboard sound chip as being seen, or as being selected as the default? If I can't do that, any ideas on how to get PulseAudio to default to the Audigy2 ZS? And any ideas how to get the PulseAudio mixer to recognize the Audigy2 ZS directly so I can get back to the various capture controls? Currently the ALSA PulseAudio mixer only shows Master playback and a generic Capture control. Yes, that's only 2 controls on that mixer. What frustration I'm feeling. Thanks All, Stephen. From jh at brainiac.com Thu Dec 11 09:39:30 2008 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:39:30 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:57:42 -0600 The Other wrote: > Still waiting on the CCRMA repositories for Fedora 9. (Any > idea when that will come along? Fedora is now up to version 10.) There have been Planet CCRMA repositories available for quite a while now. I believe the webpage is lagging behind in documenting this, though. I'm planning on installing 9 soon, but from everything I've read, the 2.26 RT kernels are not stable, and Pulseaudio is a royal pain. I plan to simply uninstall its RPMs. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From david.jo.adler at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 10:04:57 2008 From: david.jo.adler at gmail.com (David Adler) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:04:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <612f0980812110704je4142e6uad8429d9c5b0d28f@mail.gmail.com> hi, > Well I was using this version of seq24. But what does "Fixed BPM saving" > means ?? I don't really understand. The incorrect behavior was: when loading a previously saved session tempo was always the default 120 bpm. > You know, in seq24 there is 3 options : > Jack Tranposrt > Master Jack > Master Conditionnal > I was the slave. So in my mind, and logically, I checked "Jack Transport" > and that's all. Because I am slave I don't need the Master options. > But when my friend pressed the play button on his seq24, my "timeline > indicator" on the top rigth of the windows in seq24, was disabled. Jack > Transport was rolling, but seq24 didn't want to. > The only way to make it run is to choose Jack Transport and Master Jack. > I think this is a bug in seq24 I guess except for 'Jack Tranposrt' these settings are obsolete now. According to the JACK API Reference Manual the former transport master role has been divided into two layers: timebase master and transport control. Any client can make transport control requests. The timebase master is not needed unless extended position information like counting beats, timecode, etc. is required. Seq24 does not have any of those extended features. Regarding netjack there is a master machine and a slave machine. Transport control requests may come from any client on the master machine. best, d From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 11:11:58 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:11:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! In-Reply-To: <493E5781.6050508@rncbc.org> References: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> <5eb95dc90812051332odb00aeau22fd01875e59bd3c@mail.gmail.com> <4939A654.3060001@rncbc.org> <493E5781.6050508@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <49413BCE.5000501@gmail.com> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > >> Emanuel Rumpf wrote: >> >>> Adjusting the icon/symbol sizes doesn't seem two work. >>> >> uhoh, now you tell me. funny thing is previous versions (probably ever >> since qt4 migration 1.5years ago) suffer from the same: the connections >> widget icons do change but their size is kept down-scaled to 16x16. >> >> will get fixed next time i get back to it :) >> >> > > that's it: connection window icon sizes are now effective on > qjackctl-0.3.4.1+ (cvs head) > > cheers > What does the new patchbay function mean? That you can enter yes if it ask you to 'create patchbay definitions as a snapshot'? Something what wasn't recommended in the howto on your website? And I have a system tray problem with qjackctl and kde 4.1. It doesn't show up when I click on it... Regards, \r From rncbc at rncbc.org Thu Dec 11 12:05:41 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:05:41 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! In-Reply-To: <49413BCE.5000501@gmail.com> References: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> <5eb95dc90812051332odb00aeau22fd01875e59bd3c@mail.gmail.com> <4939A654.3060001@rncbc.org> <493E5781.6050508@rncbc.org> <49413BCE.5000501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49414865.1050703@rncbc.org> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > What does the new patchbay function mean? That you can enter yes if it > ask you to 'create patchbay definitions as a snapshot'? Something what > wasn't recommended in the howto on your website? > the patchbay snapshot that is asked when you're about to create a new patchbay definition profile, now actually tries to mimic the current jack and alsa-seq clients and connection graph, something that wasn't doing that well for quite some time. yes, now you can answer "yes" so that the resulting patchbay definition serves as a better snapshot than before ;) > And I have a system tray problem with qjackctl and kde 4.1. It doesn't > show up when I click on it... > pardon, if it doesn't show up how do you manage to click on it? :) well, fact is kde4 system tray doesn't cope well with, erm... system tray icons :) at least wrt. transparencies (maybe you're trying to click on a leftover shadow ie. qjackctl is not running but the icon still shows in the system tray area). byee -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Dec 11 14:23:37 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:23:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <612f0980812110704je4142e6uad8429d9c5b0d28f@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> <612f0980812110704je4142e6uad8429d9c5b0d28f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081211192337.GC13611@siel> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:04:57PM +0100, David Adler wrote: > > You know, in seq24 there is 3 options : > > Jack Tranposrt > > Master Jack > > Master Conditionnal > > I was the slave. So in my mind, and logically, I checked "Jack Transport" > > and that's all. Because I am slave I don't need the Master options. > > But when my friend pressed the play button on his seq24, my "timeline > > indicator" on the top rigth of the windows in seq24, was disabled. Jack > > Transport was rolling, but seq24 didn't want to. > > The only way to make it run is to choose Jack Transport and Master Jack. > > I think this is a bug in seq24 > > I guess except for 'Jack Tranposrt' these settings are obsolete now. > > According to the JACK API Reference Manual the former transport master > role has been divided into two layers: timebase master and transport > control. its been like this for years now. > Any client can make transport control requests. > > The timebase master is not needed unless extended position information > like counting beats, timecode, etc. is required. Seq24 does not have > any of those extended features. i dont think that is correct. seq24 does not work without a timebase master. (either it must be the timebase master itself, or ardour for example must be running. seq24 is not calculating the beat information based on transport frames, which are the only transport information available, without a master.) > > Regarding netjack there is a master machine and a slave machine. > Transport control requests may come from any client on the master > machine. yes. but without a timebase master on the slave machine seq24 hangs. even when transport is running. are you one of the new devs ? if what i say is not clear to you i will provide a patch. but dont have the time now. So this has to wait until the weekend i guess. -- torben Hohn From rob at curates-egg.org Thu Dec 11 15:41:02 2008 From: rob at curates-egg.org (rob) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:41:02 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Feature trackers for Aeolus and AMS? Message-ID: <49417ADE.8000408@curates-egg.org> I have a few enhancement requests for Aeolus and AMS, but found none for Aeolus, and an apparently dead tracker for AMS. Does anyone know the right place for such requests? Cheers R From fons at kokkinizita.net Thu Dec 11 15:53:31 2008 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:53:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Feature trackers for Aeolus and AMS? In-Reply-To: <49417ADE.8000408@curates-egg.org> References: <49417ADE.8000408@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <20081211205331.GA3014@zita2.kokkinizita.net> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:41:02PM +0000, rob wrote: > > I have a few enhancement requests for Aeolus and AMS, but found none for > Aeolus, and an apparently dead tracker for AMS. Does anyone know the > right place for such requests? You could try on this list. Ciao, -- FA Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica Parma, Italia Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From ronaldjstewart at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 00:43:03 2008 From: ronaldjstewart at gmail.com (Ronald Stewart) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:43:03 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Pre-configured Linux Audio laptop for US$499 gets some ink - Video Demos Message-ID: <4c84399f0812112143v23907241nb26cdafb0de4fc7@mail.gmail.com> Indamixx Atom Based Laptop/Netbook - Technical Video Multiple synth and drum tracks using energy XT2 default demo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOr2Q364kUQ Indamixx Laptop/Netbook Technical Video Setup - Live Scratching with Vinyl Control featuring Mixxx 1.6.1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYg3Fx9YDDo From jri at broadpark.no Fri Dec 12 02:57:18 2008 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:57:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Asus EEE 1000 as new softsynth? In-Reply-To: <20081126122003.GA11036@moon.base> References: <20081123102731.GA3053@aieee.restivo.org> <499587E5CCC04C7AA2BB928CFDEE97CF@icobadassmbp> <4929E8E0.3040906@gmail.com> <20081124065906.GA4855@aieee.restivo.org> <48d2154d0811240115r4fe20e3dnbce1f7ffe3d6803c@mail.gmail.com> <20081126122003.GA11036@moon.base> Message-ID: <4942195E.3060501@broadpark.no> James Stone skreiv: Basically, in its default > state, the fact the graphics and sound share the same interrupt, > the two interfere quite badly. That sounds very nasty. Please allow me to ask a stupid question: Will this apply to external soundcards aswell? I recently acquired an EEE1000H, and was dissappointed that neither JACK or Renoise would run adequately, even with external USB soundcards which otherwise works fine. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From ronaldjstewart at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 03:08:38 2008 From: ronaldjstewart at gmail.com (Ronald Stewart) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:08:38 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Asus EEE 1000 as new softsynth? In-Reply-To: <4942195E.3060501@broadpark.no> References: <20081123102731.GA3053@aieee.restivo.org> <499587E5CCC04C7AA2BB928CFDEE97CF@icobadassmbp> <4929E8E0.3040906@gmail.com> <20081124065906.GA4855@aieee.restivo.org> <48d2154d0811240115r4fe20e3dnbce1f7ffe3d6803c@mail.gmail.com> <20081126122003.GA11036@moon.base> <4942195E.3060501@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <4c84399f0812120008h593bade5w194b05d7fbb80bcd@mail.gmail.com> The Indamixx Netbook running Atom chip handles this just fine... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOr2Q364kUQ Also, you can scratch vinyl with it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYg3Fx9YDDo Thanks Ron www.indamixx.com On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > James Stone skreiv: > > Basically, in its default >> state, the fact the graphics and sound share the same interrupt, >> the two interfere quite badly. > > That sounds very nasty. Please allow me to ask a stupid question: Will > this apply to external soundcards aswell? > > I recently acquired an EEE1000H, and was dissappointed that neither JACK > or Renoise would run adequately, even with external USB soundcards which > otherwise works fine. > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.org > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From brummer- at web.de Fri Dec 12 04:14:26 2008 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:14:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! In-Reply-To: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> References: <49397C7D.8080304@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1229073266.3419.2.camel@box> Am Freitag, den 05.12.2008, 19:09 +0000 schrieb Rui Nuno Capela: > hi, > > A semester has gone by, since last release, with no big news on this > front. Alas, on the verge of the coming one-dot-oh release of the mighty > JACK Audio Connection Kit, here goes one fine update of its old and aged > Qt GUI front-end: > > QjackCtl 0.3.4 is out! > Hi Thanks for the new release. I like the small size GUI and the translation (to german). regards hermann From david.jo.adler at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 04:57:02 2008 From: david.jo.adler at gmail.com (David Adler) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:57:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <20081211192337.GC13611@siel> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> <612f0980812110704je4142e6uad8429d9c5b0d28f@mail.gmail.com> <20081211192337.GC13611@siel> Message-ID: <612f0980812120157y58a590fanedc6b24c5a0fcf96@mail.gmail.com> >> The timebase master is not needed unless extended position information >> like counting beats, timecode, etc. is required. Seq24 does not have >> any of those extended features. > > i dont think that is correct. > seq24 does not work without a timebase master. > (either it must be the timebase master itself, or ardour for example > must be running. seq24 is not calculating the beat information based > on transport frames, which are the only transport information available, > without a master.) > You're right and I read inaccurately. There always is a timebase master - either jackd or a client >> >> Regarding netjack there is a master machine and a slave machine. >> Transport control requests may come from any client on the master >> machine. > > yes. but without a timebase master on the slave machine seq24 hangs. > even when transport is running. > > are you one of the new devs ? By far not, just a user. Probably i'll just read a bit more in order to really understand jack transport design, thanks. best, d From jri at broadpark.no Fri Dec 12 05:44:18 2008 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:44:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Asus EEE 1000 as new softsynth? In-Reply-To: <1229077348.15241.1.camel@spire1> References: <20081123102731.GA3053@aieee.restivo.org> <499587E5CCC04C7AA2BB928CFDEE97CF@icobadassmbp> <4929E8E0.3040906@gmail.com> <20081124065906.GA4855@aieee.restivo.org> <48d2154d0811240115r4fe20e3dnbce1f7ffe3d6803c@mail.gmail.com> <20081126122003.GA11036@moon.base> <4942195E.3060501@broadpark.no> <1229077348.15241.1.camel@spire1> Message-ID: <49424082.1030208@broadpark.no> Jay Vaughan skreiv: > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 08:57 +0100, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: >> That sounds very nasty. Please allow me to ask a stupid question: Will >> this apply to external soundcards aswell? >> > > Nope. Use a USB Audio interface and you can minimize the damage. Hmmm... Fact is, I've tried, and cannot get anything but abysmal performance from jack. This is with ubuntu-eee 8.04, and a Behringer UCA202 USB interface. Which kind of distro, and/or configuration do you use..? Things I've tried: - linux-rt kernel - edit limits.conf (of course) - disabling systemlog, bluetooth and wireless - disabling pulseaudio - disabling compiz - all kinds of settings with jack Thanks for any input. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From jamesmstone at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 06:25:26 2008 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:25:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Asus EEE 1000 as new softsynth? In-Reply-To: <4942195E.3060501@broadpark.no> References: <20081123102731.GA3053@aieee.restivo.org> <499587E5CCC04C7AA2BB928CFDEE97CF@icobadassmbp> <4929E8E0.3040906@gmail.com> <20081124065906.GA4855@aieee.restivo.org> <48d2154d0811240115r4fe20e3dnbce1f7ffe3d6803c@mail.gmail.com> <20081126122003.GA11036@moon.base> <4942195E.3060501@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <48d2154d0812120325p378443bem4826a815c2f955c2@mail.gmail.com> No, it should work fine with an external card (well mine does anyway).. you can't expect particularly brilliant performance given the CPU power, but it works well enough to run a softsynth without xruns for example. James On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > James Stone skreiv: > > Basically, in its default >> state, the fact the graphics and sound share the same interrupt, >> the two interfere quite badly. > > That sounds very nasty. Please allow me to ask a stupid question: Will > this apply to external soundcards aswell? > > I recently acquired an EEE1000H, and was dissappointed that neither JACK > or Renoise would run adequately, even with external USB soundcards which > otherwise works fine. > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.org > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Dec 12 06:57:26 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:57:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <612f0980812120157y58a590fanedc6b24c5a0fcf96@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> <612f0980812110704je4142e6uad8429d9c5b0d28f@mail.gmail.com> <20081211192337.GC13611@siel> <612f0980812120157y58a590fanedc6b24c5a0fcf96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081212115726.GA9641@siel> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:57:02AM +0100, David Adler wrote: > >> > >> Regarding netjack there is a master machine and a slave machine. > >> Transport control requests may come from any client on the master > >> machine. > > > > yes. but without a timebase master on the slave machine seq24 hangs. > > even when transport is running. > > > > are you one of the new devs ? > > By far not, just a user. > Probably i'll just read a bit more in order to really understand > jack transport design, thanks. ok... i guess i need to get in touch with the devs then. hopufully we can make things easier with 0.9.1 -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From jostein at vait.se Fri Dec 12 07:12:07 2008 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:12:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Play with latencies Message-ID: <49425517.2000501@vait.se> Hi, I have played a little bit with the connections of latencies, distances and notes, just to get things in perspectives. We always try to keep the latencies as low as possible and I'm no exception: my every day standard is 2.9 ms, but decreases down to 0.72 in recording situations and maybe up to 20-50 ms when mixing (working in Ardour). So how long time (latency) does it tak from when you tap rhythm with the foot to you or other can hear it, and how is it between the members of a big orchestra? Big latencies are apparently very common in real life situations and it's fun to know about it. So here is the result of a wasted hour (hope every number is right), enjoy. Time in Length Note, ms in m 120 bpm Comments ======== ======= ======= =========================================== 1000.00 343.00 1/1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound 500.00 171.50 1/2 Common delay speed (echo) 250.00 85.75 1/4 " 125.00 42.88 1/8 " 100.00 34.30 62.50 21.44 1/16 Distance between people in a big orch. * 46.40 15.92 Latency value 31.25 10.72 1/32 Wow, playing fast! * 23.20 7.96 Latency value 15.63 5.36 1/64 Playing real music that fast? Get a life! * 11.60 3.98 Latency value 10.00 3.43 7.81 2.68 1/128 Academic interest (musically) * 5.80 1.99 Latency value 5.00 1.72 Dist. from ear to foot 3.91 1.34 1/256 * 2.90 0.99 Latency value (64 f/p, 44100, 2 p/b) 1.96 0.67 1/512 * 1.45 0.50 Latency, common dist. to monitor 1.00 0.34 Not an uncommon distance to mic or wife 0.98 0.33 1/1024 * 0.73 0.25 Latency value 0.49 0.17 1/2048 Still of academic interest (musically) * The latency numbers is taken from qjackctl's setup dialog box when frames/period are from 16 to 1024 on a 44100 sample rate system with 2 periods/buffer. This shows that the quite common rule of keeping everything under approx 10 ms make sense, right? :-) Jostein From crypto at online.de Fri Dec 12 07:36:25 2008 From: crypto at online.de (Crypto) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:36:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] MIDI NOTE ON/OFF Messages - reducing data Message-ID: <200812121336.26138.crypto@online.de> Hi LAU group, just a bit of brainstorming here. Defined in the MIDI specification is that for each NOTE ON message there has to be a NOTE OFF message (or a NOTE ON message with vol.=0). BUT: There are many instruments that in real life never need a manual action to stop their sound, for example most if not all percussion instruments and drums. For these, sound can "only" be triggered and then just plays, there is no way to stop it, apart maybe from rigorously damping it. It means: when playing vibes for example, the player hits the instrument once and then the sound just fades away. No action necessary to manally stop the sound. So: why do we have to send NOTE OFF messages for these kind of instruments? Wouldn't it be sufficient to simply sent the NOTE ON message for that sound and omit the NOTE OFF message? This would save us up to three bytes which can make a difference in delay. I'm not sure if this is true for drumkit sounds as one already has to define sound collections in a SF2 file either as instrument presets or drumkits. I'm not sure either how to introduce such a feature in the MIDI world, however, I can see that it might be rather difficult. Both sender (MIDI keyboard) and receiver (synth, expander, some software) need to agree that a particular sound does not need NOTE OFF messages and therefore the devices neither need to transmit nor wait to receive it. Maybe it could be done by introducing a new controller that disables NOTE OFF messages for a particular channel, so that all instruments that play on that channel would never need any NOTE OFF messages. Any comments/ ideas here? Crypto. From fons at kokkinizita.net Fri Dec 12 08:19:20 2008 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:19:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] MIDI NOTE ON/OFF Messages - reducing data In-Reply-To: <200812121336.26138.crypto@online.de> References: <200812121336.26138.crypto@online.de> Message-ID: <20081212131920.GC2717@zita2.kokkinizita.net> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:36:25PM +0100, Crypto wrote: > There are many instruments that in real life never need a manual action to > stop their sound, for example most if not all percussion instruments and > drums. For these, sound can "only" be triggered and then just plays, there is > no way to stop it, apart maybe from rigorously damping it. Damping notes on a percussion instrument is quite a normal thing to do... Apart from this, MIDI is very keyboard-centric, and it shows in all sorts of ways. For example, on any channel, note-on events are identified only by their note number, so you can't have e.g. two independent events of the same frequenccy. I guess many synhts that have limitied polyphony use the note-off event in the voice assignment algorithm - if not the patch has to tell it when a note has ended and the voice can be re-used. So they may depend on it. Ciao, -- FA Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica Parma, Italia Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 08:54:51 2008 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (The Other) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:54:51 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> Joe Hartley wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:57:42 -0600 > The Other wrote: >> Still waiting on the CCRMA repositories for Fedora 9. (Any >> idea when that will come along? Fedora is now up to version 10.) > > There have been Planet CCRMA repositories available for quite a while > now. I believe the webpage is lagging behind in documenting this, > though. > > I'm planning on installing 9 soon, but from everything I've read, > the 2.26 RT kernels are not stable, and Pulseaudio is a royal pain. > I plan to simply uninstall its RPMs. > Thanks for the reply Joe. Following your suggestion I looked at the Planet CCRMA instructions for installing on top of Fedora Core 8, was able to locate where the Fedora Core 9 and Fedora Core 10 CCRMA repositories were located, and enabled the CCRMA repository for Fedora Core 9. The RealTime kernel I got was: Linux serenity.valley 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc9.ccrmart #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue May 13 04:33:19 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I'm running it right now after a reboot. As soon as I did RealPlayer 11 is back to using the motherboard speaker, arrg! Oh well. Any reason you plan to install Fedora Core 9 instead of Fedora Core 10? Let me know how your installation goes and how you succeed in disabling PulseAudio. At this point, I'm ready to leave Planet CCRMA for any Linux distribution that doesn't use PulseAudio. Regards, Stephen. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 09:37:51 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:37:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4942773F.8070900@gmail.com> The Other wrote: > Joe Hartley wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:57:42 -0600 >> The Other wrote: >> >>> Still waiting on the CCRMA repositories for Fedora 9. (Any >>> idea when that will come along? Fedora is now up to version 10.) >>> >> There have been Planet CCRMA repositories available for quite a while >> now. I believe the webpage is lagging behind in documenting this, >> though. >> >> I'm planning on installing 9 soon, but from everything I've read, >> the 2.26 RT kernels are not stable, and Pulseaudio is a royal pain. >> I plan to simply uninstall its RPMs. >> >> > > Thanks for the reply Joe. Following your suggestion I looked at the > Planet CCRMA instructions for installing on top of Fedora Core 8, was > able to locate where the Fedora Core 9 and Fedora Core 10 CCRMA > repositories were located, and enabled the CCRMA repository for Fedora > Core 9. > > The RealTime kernel I got was: > > Linux serenity.valley 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc9.ccrmart #1 SMP PREEMPT RT > Tue May 13 04:33:19 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > I'm running it right now after a reboot. As soon as I did RealPlayer > 11 is back to using the motherboard speaker, arrg! Oh well. > > Any reason you plan to install Fedora Core 9 instead of Fedora Core > 10? Let me know how your installation goes and how you succeed in > disabling PulseAudio. At this point, I'm ready to leave Planet CCRMA > for any Linux distribution that doesn't use PulseAudio. > > Here you can find more info about Pulseaudio. Especially that Debian howto is good, dunno if it helps you on fedora. http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=713 If you're looking for a distro without Pulseaudio, I think you should work with Kde... (Jacklabs default(?)) From guido.scholz at bayernline.de Fri Dec 12 09:48:22 2008 From: guido.scholz at bayernline.de (Guido Scholz) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:48:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <20081212115726.GA9641@siel> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> <612f0980812110704je4142e6uad8429d9c5b0d28f@mail.gmail.com> <20081211192337.GC13611@siel> <612f0980812120157y58a590fanedc6b24c5a0fcf96@mail.gmail.com> <20081212115726.GA9641@siel> Message-ID: <20081212144822.GA6382@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de> Am Fri, 12. Dec 2008 um 12:57:26 +0100 schrieb torbenh at gmx.de: Hi Torben, > ok... i guess i need to get in touch with the devs then. > hopufully we can make things easier with 0.9.1 you can send me the patch when you have finished this work. I will care to add it to the repository. Guido -- http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/ http://www.lug-burghausen.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081212/de2731c0/attachment.pgp From jh at brainiac.com Fri Dec 12 09:49:04 2008 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:49:04 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20081212094904.9a9b4530.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:54:51 -0600 The Other wrote: > Thanks for the reply Joe. Following your suggestion I looked at the > Planet CCRMA instructions for installing on top of Fedora Core 8, was > able to locate where the Fedora Core 9 and Fedora Core 10 CCRMA > repositories were located, and enabled the CCRMA repository for Fedora > Core 9. Glad you found it! > I'm running it right now after a reboot. As soon as I did RealPlayer > 11 is back to using the motherboard speaker, arrg! Oh well. I can't say I've used RealPlayer in years, not sure why it'd be different. On my studio system, I've disabled onboard sound completely, but I do have 2 Delta 1010s and have never had an issue with my sound going somewhere unexpected. I'm guessing that you still have PulseAudio installed, which to me seems to be geared for people who are willing to give up control of audio routing to a program that believes it knows how to route audio better than the user. Seems unnecessary for people working at a more complex level. > Any reason you plan to install Fedora Core 9 instead of Fedora Core > 10? I don't want the blood on the bleeding edge to be mine :) Fernando's only recently started to work on 10, so I'll stick with the more well- tested 9 for now. > Let me know how your installation goes and how you succeed in > disabling PulseAudio. At this point, I'm ready to leave Planet CCRMA > for any Linux distribution that doesn't use PulseAudio. Seems drastic to me! People on the Planet CCRMA mailing list seem to have had little trouble in cutting PulseAudio from the system. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From torbenh at gmx.de Fri Dec 12 10:10:57 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:10:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : Netjack : like a charm :) In-Reply-To: <20081212144822.GA6382@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de> References: <907c05c70812092316w373ec8e6rebc97b1f71eb141b@mail.gmail.com> <20081210123719.GB8018@siel> <612f0980812100611t79fb4d34j1dd0c5d2300e4222@mail.gmail.com> <907c05c70812110109h165cdb6ep5ceb0b008c046fc9@mail.gmail.com> <612f0980812110704je4142e6uad8429d9c5b0d28f@mail.gmail.com> <20081211192337.GC13611@siel> <612f0980812120157y58a590fanedc6b24c5a0fcf96@mail.gmail.com> <20081212115726.GA9641@siel> <20081212144822.GA6382@traun.gscholz.bayernline.de> Message-ID: <20081212151057.GA7505@siel> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:48:22PM +0100, Guido Scholz wrote: > Am Fri, 12. Dec 2008 um 12:57:26 +0100 schrieb torbenh at gmx.de: > > Hi Torben, > > > ok... i guess i need to get in touch with the devs then. > > hopufully we can make things easier with 0.9.1 > > you can send me the patch when you have finished this work. I will care > to add it to the repository. ok... will do. although i was hoping that you would do it. you know your way through seq24 better. I would need to find the right place first. well... "grep jack" will sure help me ;) -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From cladisch at fastmail.net Fri Dec 12 10:53:05 2008 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:53:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] MIDI NOTE ON/OFF Messages - reducing data In-Reply-To: <200812121336.26138.crypto@online.de> References: <200812121336.26138.crypto@online.de> Message-ID: <494288E1.70802@fastmail.net> Crypto wrote: > Defined in the MIDI specification is that for each NOTE ON message there has > to be a NOTE OFF message (or a NOTE ON message with vol.=0). > > BUT: > > There are many instruments that in real life never need a manual action to > stop their sound, for example most if not all percussion instruments and > drums. [...] So: why do we have to send NOTE OFF messages for these kind of > instruments? Because the specification says so. ;-) > Wouldn't it be sufficient to simply sent the NOTE ON message for > that sound and omit the NOTE OFF message? If the synth can decide by itself when the sound is finished, then it doesn't need a note off. > This would save us up to three bytes which can make a difference in delay. If the note-off command isn't really necessary, then you can send it at some later time when it doesn't take bandwith away from other commands. > I'm not sure either how to introduce such a feature in the MIDI world, > however, I can see that it might be rather difficult. Both sender (MIDI > keyboard) and receiver (synth, expander, some software) need to agree that a > particular sound does not need NOTE OFF messages and therefore the devices > neither need to transmit nor wait to receive it. > > Maybe it could be done by introducing a new controller that disables NOTE OFF > messages for a particular channel, so that all instruments that play on that > channel would never need any NOTE OFF messages. If note-off messages aren't sent, there is no difference between a channel that expects note-off message and one that doesn't: All sounds will sound as long as they naturally sound. The interesting case is when note-offs are sent: a synth might stop a sound before it would naturally stop. Therefore, your setting would effectively tell the synth to ignore any note-off messages. As it happens, both the GS and XG standards have a SysEx for exactly this, and it is enabled by default on the drum channel. Best regards, Clemens From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Fri Dec 12 11:31:52 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:31:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Friday 12 December 2008 14:54, The Other wrote: > Joe Hartley wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:57:42 -0600 > > > > The Other wrote: > >> Still waiting on the CCRMA repositories for Fedora 9. (Any > >> idea when that will come along? Fedora is now up to version 10.) > > > > There have been Planet CCRMA repositories available for quite a while > > now. I believe the webpage is lagging behind in documenting this, > > though. > > > > I'm planning on installing 9 soon, but from everything I've read, > > the 2.26 RT kernels are not stable, and Pulseaudio is a royal pain. > > I plan to simply uninstall its RPMs. > > Thanks for the reply Joe. Following your suggestion I looked at the > Planet CCRMA instructions for installing on top of Fedora Core 8, was > able to locate where the Fedora Core 9 and Fedora Core 10 CCRMA > repositories were located, and enabled the CCRMA repository for Fedora > Core 9. > > The RealTime kernel I got was: > > Linux serenity.valley 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc9.ccrmart #1 SMP PREEMPT RT > Tue May 13 04:33:19 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > I'm running it right now after a reboot. As soon as I did RealPlayer > 11 is back to using the motherboard speaker, arrg! Oh well. > > Any reason you plan to install Fedora Core 9 instead of Fedora Core > 10? Let me know how your installation goes and how you succeed in > disabling PulseAudio. At this point, I'm ready to leave Planet CCRMA > for any Linux distribution that doesn't use PulseAudio. > > Regards, > Stephen. Hi Stephen. Disabling Pulseaudio is very easy on Fedora Installs, by simply removing the package, alsa-plugins-pulseaudio. By doing that, your sound apps will now use Alsa directly. If you have KDE installed, removing the above package, will also remove, kde-settings-pulseaudio. If you use audio apps that use SDL, add the following line to /home/user/.bashrc , which will remove the hack that SDL programs need to use Pulseaudio. unset SDL_AUDIODRIVER I'd warn against doing a Gung-Ho removal of all Pulseaudio rpm's, as one of them removes a whole bunch of packages as dependencies. Someone on the Fedora list did just that, and messed up the sound completely. Can't remember it was with Fedora8, or 9. All the best. Nigel. From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 12 16:25:35 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:25:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes Message-ID: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played live in a jazz-oriented context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKqzVDR4wA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5O-esJ8ko Bass (via fluidsynth) is left hand, Rhodes (fluidsynth going through CAPS amp simulator LADSPA plugin in ecasound) and AZR3 are right hand. The sound quality of the video isn't great, buit the Linux Laptop which is making all the keyboard and bass sounds, is clearly visible in the videos. What's that running on my screen? 1) Emacs (with the setlist and changes of the songs) 2) A couple rxvt's 3) Ion3 tiling window manager 4) Xclock so the drummer and I could keep track of our set length A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd like to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going to be visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to run, that would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? Thanks. -ken From bjornw at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 16:28:46 2008 From: bjornw at gmail.com (Bjorn Westergard) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:28:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: How did you accomplish the right/left hand split? On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played live > in a jazz-oriented context: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKqzVDR4wA > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5O-esJ8ko > > Bass (via fluidsynth) is left hand, Rhodes (fluidsynth going through CAPS > amp simulator LADSPA plugin in ecasound) and AZR3 are right hand. > > The sound quality of the video isn't great, buit the Linux Laptop which is > making all the keyboard and bass sounds, is clearly visible in the videos. > > What's that running on my screen? > > 1) Emacs (with the setlist and changes of the songs) > 2) A couple rxvt's > 3) Ion3 tiling window manager > 4) Xclock so the drummer and I could keep track of our set length > > A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd like > to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going to be > visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to run, that > would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? > > Thanks. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- - Bjorn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081212/4b7b4cf2/attachment.htm From frankpirrone at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 17:22:15 2008 From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:22:15 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4942E417.407@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Restivo wrote: > Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played live in a jazz-oriented context: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKqzVDR4wA > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5O-esJ8ko > > Bass (via fluidsynth) is left hand, Rhodes (fluidsynth going through CAPS amp simulator LADSPA plugin in ecasound) and AZR3 are right hand. > > The sound quality of the video isn't great, buit the Linux Laptop which is making all the keyboard and bass sounds, is clearly visible in the videos. > > What's that running on my screen? > > 1) Emacs (with the setlist and changes of the songs) > 2) A couple rxvt's > 3) Ion3 tiling window manager > 4) Xclock so the drummer and I could keep track of our set length > > A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd like to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going to be visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to run, that would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? > > Thanks. > > -ken Kool as always, Ken. You are indeed the Bestivo. What soundfont have you loaded into fluidsynth? What recording device did you use? There appears to be some AGC pumping happening, so I'd mess with that - probably turn it off if supported - to improve the dynamics of the next recording. I understand it's just illustrative, but still a pity that not all the music's subtlety comes through. How about running some nice big VU meters or some visualization app in a xterm to produce a more kinetic display for the edification of your listeners/viewers? Alternatively, a scrolling display of the MIDI events would be cool, no? Gotta run...gig tonight at the local Buffalo Astronomical Association club's holiday party. A very eclectic mix on tap for the revelers including my "professional" debut on soprano recorder (Greensleeves duet with a dude who runs the Buff. State planetarium and another member on guitar accompaniment)! Frank -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklC5BcACgkQhIzUKCTXcU0jQACgngGnzazsP6nny5uMy43ZFeVz FmYAn2zZ1pqkEC7AI6MKxuzKhBczDW1E =DfV/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 12 18:01:41 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:01:41 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20081212230141.GA8782@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 04:28:46PM -0500, Bjorn Westergard wrote: > How did you accomplish the right/left hand split? With this: http://restivo.nfshost.com/projects/midisplit/ My controller (Novation Remote 61) supports keyboard zones and MIDI splits, but I found it kind of inflexible and so I wrote my own little utility in C to do it instead. -ken From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 12 18:32:23 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:23 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <4942E417.407@gmail.com> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <4942E417.407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4942F487.1060205@woh.rr.com> frank pirrone wrote: > Gotta run...gig tonight at the local Buffalo Astronomical Association > club's holiday party. A very eclectic mix on tap for the revelers > including my "professional" debut on soprano recorder ... Knock 'em dead, Frank. :) Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 12 18:36:40 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:36:40 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4942F588.7010707@woh.rr.com> Ken Restivo wrote: > Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played live in a jazz-oriented context: > > [snip] Outstanding as usual, Ken, thanks for the links. Best, dp From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 12 18:38:48 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:38:48 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <4942E417.407@gmail.com> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <4942E417.407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081212233848.GB8971@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 05:22:15PM -0500, frank pirrone wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played live in a jazz-oriented context: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKqzVDR4wA > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5O-esJ8ko > > > > Bass (via fluidsynth) is left hand, Rhodes (fluidsynth going through CAPS amp simulator LADSPA plugin in ecasound) and AZR3 are right hand. > > > > The sound quality of the video isn't great, buit the Linux Laptop which is making all the keyboard and bass sounds, is clearly visible in the videos. > > > > What's that running on my screen? > > > > 1) Emacs (with the setlist and changes of the songs) > > 2) A couple rxvt's > > 3) Ion3 tiling window manager > > 4) Xclock so the drummer and I could keep track of our set length > > > > A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd like to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going to be visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to run, that would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -ken > Kool as always, Ken. You are indeed the Bestivo. > > What soundfont have you loaded into fluidsynth? What recording device > did you use? They're both soundfonts that I gleaned off of teh internets. > > There appears to be some AGC pumping happening, so I'd mess with that - > probably turn it off if supported - to improve the dynamics of the next > recording. > > I understand it's just illustrative, but still a pity that not all the > music's subtlety comes through. > It's not a great video camera. I have a very good Zoom H2 recording, and at some point I'll sync it up with the high-res version of the video, and post it to somewhere like Vimeo where the higher quality would actually be preserved. > How about running some nice big VU meters or some visualization app in a > xterm to produce a more kinetic display for the edification of your > listeners/viewers? > Ah, of course, meterbridge! Thanks. > Alternatively, a scrolling display of the MIDI events would be cool, no? > Also very easy and lightweight: aseqdump in an xterm with a large font! Thanks again. > Gotta run...gig tonight at the local Buffalo Astronomical Association > club's holiday party. A very eclectic mix on tap for the revelers > including my "professional" debut on soprano recorder (Greensleeves duet > with a dude who runs the Buff. State planetarium and another member on > guitar accompaniment)! > Have fun, and post clips! -ken From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Dec 12 18:45:23 2008 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:45:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20081212234523.7dd59a58@debian> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:25:35 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played live in a jazz-oriented context: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKqzVDR4wA > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5O-esJ8ko > > Bass (via fluidsynth) is left hand, Rhodes (fluidsynth going through CAPS amp simulator LADSPA plugin in ecasound) and AZR3 are right hand. > > The sound quality of the video isn't great, buit the Linux Laptop which is making all the keyboard and bass sounds, is clearly visible in the videos. > > What's that running on my screen? > > 1) Emacs (with the setlist and changes of the songs) > 2) A couple rxvt's > 3) Ion3 tiling window manager > 4) Xclock so the drummer and I could keep track of our set length > > A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd like to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going to be visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to run, that would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? > > Thanks. > > -ken Very good. We can see and hear you're obviously enjoying yourselves. It's also nice to put faces to the music :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk From zotz at 100jamz.com Fri Dec 12 19:15:41 2008 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:15:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081212233848.GB8971@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <4942E417.407@gmail.com> <20081212233848.GB8971@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <200812121915.41672.zotz@100jamz.com> On Friday 12 December 2008 18:38:48 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 05:22:15PM -0500, frank pirrone wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played > > > live in a jazz-oriented context: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKqzVDR4wA > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5O-esJ8ko > > > > > > Bass (via fluidsynth) is left hand, Rhodes (fluidsynth going through > > > CAPS amp simulator LADSPA plugin in ecasound) and AZR3 are right hand. > > > > > > The sound quality of the video isn't great, buit the Linux Laptop which > > > is making all the keyboard and bass sounds, is clearly visible in the > > > videos. > > > > > > What's that running on my screen? > > > > > > 1) Emacs (with the setlist and changes of the songs) > > > 2) A couple rxvt's > > > 3) Ion3 tiling window manager > > > 4) Xclock so the drummer and I could keep track of our set length > > > > > > A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd > > > like to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going > > > to be visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to > > > run, that would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -ken > > > > Kool as always, Ken. You are indeed the Bestivo. > > > > What soundfont have you loaded into fluidsynth? What recording device > > did you use? > > They're both soundfonts that I gleaned off of teh internets. > > > There appears to be some AGC pumping happening, so I'd mess with that - > > probably turn it off if supported - to improve the dynamics of the next > > recording. > > > > I understand it's just illustrative, but still a pity that not all the > > music's subtlety comes through. > > It's not a great video camera. I have a very good Zoom H2 recording, and at > some point I'll sync it up with the high-res version of the video, and post > it to somewhere like Vimeo where the higher quality would actually be > preserved. Didn't I just see somewhere this week that youtube is going HD capable? > > > How about running some nice big VU meters or some visualization app in a > > xterm to produce a more kinetic display for the edification of your > > listeners/viewers? > > Ah, of course, meterbridge! Thanks. > > > Alternatively, a scrolling display of the MIDI events would be cool, no? > > Also very easy and lightweight: aseqdump in an xterm with a large font! > Thanks again. > > > Gotta run...gig tonight at the local Buffalo Astronomical Association > > club's holiday party. A very eclectic mix on tap for the revelers > > including my "professional" debut on soprano recorder (Greensleeves duet > > with a dude who runs the Buff. State planetarium and another member on > > guitar accompaniment)! > > Have fun, and post clips! > > -ken drew From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Fri Dec 12 19:18:49 2008 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:18:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Play with latencies In-Reply-To: <49425517.2000501@vait.se> References: <49425517.2000501@vait.se> Message-ID: <200812130118.49155.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Friday 12 December 2008 13:12:07 Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: > So here is the result of a wasted hour (hope every number is right), > enjoy. > > Time in Length Note, > ms in m 120 bpm Comments > ======== ======= ======= =========================================== > 1000.00 343.00 1/1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound > 500.00 171.50 1/2 Common delay speed (echo) > 250.00 85.75 1/4 " > 125.00 42.88 1/8 " > 100.00 34.30 > 62.50 21.44 1/16 Distance between people in a big orch. > * 46.40 15.92 Latency value > 31.25 10.72 1/32 Wow, playing fast! > * 23.20 7.96 Latency value > 15.63 5.36 1/64 Playing real music that fast? Get a life! > * 11.60 3.98 Latency value > 10.00 3.43 > 7.81 2.68 1/128 Academic interest (musically) > * 5.80 1.99 Latency value > 5.00 1.72 Dist. from ear to foot > 3.91 1.34 1/256 > * 2.90 0.99 Latency value (64 f/p, 44100, 2 p/b) > 1.96 0.67 1/512 > * 1.45 0.50 Latency, common dist. to monitor > 1.00 0.34 Not an uncommon distance to mic or wife > 0.98 0.33 1/1024 > * 0.73 0.25 Latency value > 0.49 0.17 1/2048 Still of academic interest (musically) An interesting table to put things into perspective. The third column doesn't seem right though. As far as I can see, the actual note values are only half of those in the table (assuming bpm means quarters per minute, of course). Makes the latencies appear a lot less dramatic from a musical point of view :) Dominic From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 19:49:12 2008 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:49:12 +0000 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <4942E417.407@gmail.com> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <4942E417.407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM, frank pirrone wrote: > Kool as always, Ken. You are indeed the Bestivo. Today was a terrible day, yet this play on Ken's name struck me as incredibly funny. Thanks for the laughs, and as always Ken, your music sounds fantastic! Josh, who is still waiting for Me and My Cronies to do a funk version of Giant Steps. :) -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From confrey at email.it Fri Dec 12 19:55:07 2008 From: confrey at email.it (confrey) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:55:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes Message-ID: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> Hi to everybody, I'm a new user of this mailing list; I use debian lenny and slackware on my notebook; I'm a musician, but only since a few time I'm trying ti use audio and musical software. I'd like - but I don't know if it's possible - to change 'volume' of a long note while a long note is playing, as I can do it manually changing a slider's position. I don't know how to do it, and which software I can use. I had a look to Rosegarden, QTractor and Muse, but I found never about. I'm a piano teacher, hi everybody confrey From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 12 20:56:23 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:56:23 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <4942E417.407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081213015623.GA13732@aieee.restivo.org> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:49:12AM +0000, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM, frank pirrone wrote: > > Kool as always, Ken. You are indeed the Bestivo. > > Today was a terrible day, yet this play on Ken's name struck me as > incredibly funny. Thanks for the laughs, and as always Ken, your > music sounds fantastic! Thanks again. > > Josh, who is still waiting for Me and My Cronies to do a funk version > of Giant Steps. :) > Ooh, ooh, ooh! Great idea! Forwarded. -ken From gsking1 at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 22:31:12 2008 From: gsking1 at gmail.com (gsking1 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:31:12 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Korg M50 anyone hooked this up to linux? Message-ID: <001636283b74cf41e2045de53d4a@google.com> Hello, I'm considering buying the Korg M50 (and to a lesser extent the Yamaha MO8). Anyone hook these up to linux via the built in USB. Good / Bad or any other issues? It also has normal midi in/out which I could use if needed. I really don't do much computer midi, but want to keep my options open. I assume I might have problems if I try to run the Editor/Librarian (windows/mac) software under wine, and am not really concerned with that. I am looking for basic midi music recording and playback from linux (rosegarden, qtractor, etc.). Thanks in advance, Geoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081213/94537baa/attachment.htm From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 22:38:59 2008 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (The Other) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:38:59 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Stephen. > > Disabling Pulseaudio is very easy on Fedora Installs, by simply removing the > package, alsa-plugins-pulseaudio. By doing that, your sound apps will now use > Alsa directly. > > If you have KDE installed, removing the above package, will also remove, > kde-settings-pulseaudio. If you use audio apps that use SDL, add the > following line to /home/user/.bashrc , which will remove the hack that SDL > programs need to use Pulseaudio. > > unset SDL_AUDIODRIVER > > I'd warn against doing a Gung-Ho removal of all Pulseaudio rpm's, as one of > them removes a whole bunch of packages as dependencies. Someone on the Fedora > list did just that, and messed up the sound completely. Can't remember it was > with Fedora8, or 9. > > All the best. > > Nigel. Thanks Nigel. I've printed your reply, applied it, and rebooted into the Planet CCRMA realtime kernel. When logging in as a normal user under Gnome, the default login wave played through the motherboard speaker. Nothing new there so I went into Pulse Audio Device Chooser, selected the "default" for the Default Server, "default" for the Default Sink, and "default" for the Default Source. Then I went into PulseAudio Manager, select the Sample Cache tab, then highlight the pulse-hotplug entry, and set Playback On: to anything other than the 8086 line. I check it with the Play button and hear the default sound come through my monitor speakers via my Audigy2 ZS PCI soundcard. Then its off into PulseAudio Volume Control, select the Output Devices, then turn off the volume on the Intel 82801 chip, turn up the volume and set as default the ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback chip. Then do the same thing under the Input Devices tab. Close out and I'm done. The next time I log in I have to repeat the entire process. But the good news is that RealPlayer 11 is now using the monitor speakers, Ardour 2 is recording off the Audigy2 ZS, Audacity is recording off RealPlayer 11 (although I can't seem to get Audacity to record off the CD/DVD drive) The Alsa Mixer for my Audigy2 ZS is now showing all of the controls, although I just hung it up trying to figure out the correct combination to get Audacity to record the DVD soundtrack. I think I have the digital out and the Analog out on the DVD drive going to the Audigy2 ZS. Perhaps I should select one or the other, but not both. Something else to experiment with. Joe: I feel so silly. I watch the Fedora Forums, but I never thought to join the Planet CCRMA mailing list. That's my next stop. And Joe, don't do a total uninstall of everything PulseAudio. I tried that and had to do a complete reinstall of Fedora 10 and of Fedora 9, as Nigel said someone else did. Removing PulseAudio in total borks Fedora. Grammostola: Thanks for the LinuxMusicians thread on PulseAudio. I'll check it out tomorrow. I greatly appreciate all the help and suggestions. Now that RealAudio 11 is playing through the monitor speakers, I can listen to the Sky.FM New Age channel and get mellow again. :) Best, Stephen. From jostein at vait.se Sat Dec 13 04:15:40 2008 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:15:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Play with latencies In-Reply-To: <200812130118.49155.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <49425517.2000501@vait.se> <200812130118.49155.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <49437D3C.4090904@vait.se> Hi Dominic, Dominic Sacr? wrote: ... > An interesting table to put things into perspective. The third column > doesn't seem right though. As far as I can see, the actual note values are > only half of those in the table (assuming bpm means quarters per minute, of > course). Makes the latencies appear a lot less dramatic from a musical > point of view :) ... You are right of course. The strange thing is that I was looking over it and over again, feeling that something was very wrong but I did not see it. Thanks for pointing it out! :-) Hope it's right this time: Time in Length Note, ms in m 120 bpm Comments ======== ======= ======= =========================================== 1000.00 343.00 1/2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound 500.00 171.50 1/4 Common delay speed (echo) 250.00 85.75 1/8 " 125.00 42.88 1/16 " 100.00 34.30 62.50 21.44 1/32 Distande between people in a big orch. * 46.40 15.92 Latency value 31.25 10.72 1/64 Playing real music that fast? Get a life! * 23.20 7.96 Latency value 15.63 5.36 1/128 * 11.60 3.98 Latency value 10.00 3.43 7.81 2.68 1/256 Academic interest (musically) * 5.80 1.99 Latency value 5.00 1.72 Dist. from ear to foot 3.91 1.34 1/512 * 2.90 0.99 Latency value, almost 1 meter 1.96 0.67 1/1024 * 1.45 0.50 Latency, common dist. to monitor 1.00 0.34 Not an uncommon distance to mic or wife 0.98 0.33 1/2048 * 0.73 0.25 Latency value 0.49 0.17 1/4096 of academic interest (musically) The latency numbers is taken from qjackctl's setup dialog box when frames/period are from 16 to 1024 on a 44100 sample rate system with 2 periods/buffer. Jostein From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Dec 13 07:03:10 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:03:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes In-Reply-To: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> References: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> Message-ID: <4943A47E.7040606@woh.rr.com> confrey wrote: > Hi to everybody, > I'm a new user of this mailing list; I use debian lenny and slackware on > my notebook; I'm a musician, but only since a few time I'm trying ti use > audio and musical software. I'd like - but I don't know if it's possible > - to change 'volume' of a long note while a long note is playing, as I > can do it manually changing a slider's position. I don't know how to do > it, and which software I can use. I had a look to Rosegarden, QTractor > and Muse, but I found never about. > Hi Confrey, You want to use MIDI continuous controller #7, a.k.a. the MIDI volume controller. I use it for exactly the purpose you describe. Basically, however long the note is, you'll fill that length with CC #7 values ascending or descending, as you like. Some MIDI sequencers include a crescendo/decrescendo fill feature that does it for you. Best, dp From roberto.gordo at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 07:06:11 2008 From: roberto.gordo at gmail.com (Roberto Gordo Saez) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:06:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes In-Reply-To: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> References: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> Message-ID: <20081213120611.GA3600@thing.nowhere> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 01:55:07AM +0100, confrey wrote: > Hi to everybody, > I'm a new user of this mailing list; I use debian lenny and slackware on > my notebook; I'm a musician, but only since a few time I'm trying ti use > audio and musical software. I'd like - but I don't know if it's possible > - to change 'volume' of a long note while a long note is playing, as I > can do it manually changing a slider's position. I don't know how to do > it, and which software I can use. I had a look to Rosegarden, QTractor > and Muse, but I found never about. > I'm a piano teacher, > hi everybody Try to change the midi controller n.11 (expression) within rosegarden (or your favorite midi program), I think it is what you want. It is commonly used to simulate loud/soft variations in notes while they are playing. From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 09:30:35 2008 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:30:35 -0500 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes In-Reply-To: <4943A47E.7040606@woh.rr.com> References: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> <4943A47E.7040606@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <18b65aac0812130630h346cac39v783a80ff69c60212@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > confrey wrote: >> Hi to everybody, >> I'm a new user of this mailing list; I use debian lenny and slackware on >> my notebook; I'm a musician, but only since a few time I'm trying ti use >> audio and musical software. I'd like - but I don't know if it's possible >> - to change 'volume' of a long note while a long note is playing, as I >> can do it manually changing a slider's position. I don't know how to do >> it, and which software I can use. I had a look to Rosegarden, QTractor >> and Muse, but I found never about. >> > Hi Confrey, > > You want to use MIDI continuous controller #7, a.k.a. the MIDI volume > controller. I use it for exactly the purpose you describe. Basically, > however long the note is, you'll fill that length with CC #7 values > ascending or descending, as you like. Some MIDI sequencers include a > crescendo/decrescendo fill feature that does it for you. For individual notes, I would use CC#11 (expression) rather than CC#7. -- Brett ------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Dec 13 09:41:28 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:41:28 -0500 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0812130630h346cac39v783a80ff69c60212@mail.gmail.com> References: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> <4943A47E.7040606@woh.rr.com> <18b65aac0812130630h346cac39v783a80ff69c60212@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4943C998.4020009@woh.rr.com> Brett McCoy wrote: > For individual notes, I would use CC#11 (expression) rather than CC#7 > Hi Brett, I've always used CC #7. Is there an audible difference in the effect of the controller ? IIRC the resolution is the same. I suppose a deciding difference might be the destination. Many MIDI synths/keyboards employ CC #7 as the global volume control. Best, dp From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 09:49:17 2008 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:49:17 -0500 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes In-Reply-To: <4943C998.4020009@woh.rr.com> References: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> <4943A47E.7040606@woh.rr.com> <18b65aac0812130630h346cac39v783a80ff69c60212@mail.gmail.com> <4943C998.4020009@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <18b65aac0812130649v24169270y600f620c2a997aca@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > I've always used CC #7. Is there an audible difference in the effect of > the controller ? IIRC the resolution is the same. > > I suppose a deciding difference might be the destination. Many MIDI > synths/keyboards employ CC #7 as the global volume control. Yep, that's what I use -- CC#7 for overall track volume and CC#11 for individual notes. But... use whatever works for you! I guess the deciding issue is if you use #7 for notes, then later decide you need to raise the overall level of the track, how do you do it? You'd have to edit all of your CC#7 automation. -- Brett ------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Dec 13 09:57:45 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:57:45 -0500 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0812130649v24169270y600f620c2a997aca@mail.gmail.com> References: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> <4943A47E.7040606@woh.rr.com> <18b65aac0812130630h346cac39v783a80ff69c60212@mail.gmail.com> <4943C998.4020009@woh.rr.com> <18b65aac0812130649v24169270y600f620c2a997aca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4943CD69.80009@woh.rr.com> Brett McCoy wrote: > ... that's what I use -- CC#7 for overall track volume and CC#11 for > individual notes. But... use whatever works for you! I guess the > deciding issue is if you use #7 for notes, then later decide you need > to raise the overall level of the track, how do you do it? You'd have > to edit all of your CC#7 automation. > No problem, my sequencer include a controller mapping function. :) All modern sequencers should include such a function. Best, dp From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 10:08:39 2008 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:08:39 -0500 Subject: [LAU] 'crescendo' in MIDI notes In-Reply-To: <4943CD69.80009@woh.rr.com> References: <494307EB.2030105@email.it> <4943A47E.7040606@woh.rr.com> <18b65aac0812130630h346cac39v783a80ff69c60212@mail.gmail.com> <4943C998.4020009@woh.rr.com> <18b65aac0812130649v24169270y600f620c2a997aca@mail.gmail.com> <4943CD69.80009@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <18b65aac0812130708o3ec7c0c4mebd73a9f7013e6eb@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Brett McCoy wrote: >> >> ... that's what I use -- CC#7 for overall track volume and CC#11 for >> individual notes. But... use whatever works for you! I guess the >> deciding issue is if you use #7 for notes, then later decide you need >> to raise the overall level of the track, how do you do it? You'd have >> to edit all of your CC#7 automation. >> > > No problem, my sequencer include a controller mapping function. :) All > modern sequencers should include such a function. Yep, any decent sequencer will let you map stuff any way you like (you could do the reverse, CC#11 for volume and CC#7 for expression). A lot of VSTs I use let you assign CCs to individual controls in the GUI so you can automate with a pedal, mod-wheel, MIDI automation data, etc. -- Brett ------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From mbs1303 at gmx.de Sat Dec 13 11:59:59 2008 From: mbs1303 at gmx.de (Matthias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nborn?=) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:59:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Using linux-rt with Ati Mobility X700 Message-ID: <1229187599.22976.8.camel@X20> I hadn't got the time to do some music on my ubuntu machine the last few months, but yesterday I wanted to boot the rt-kernel on my machine. To my surprise, I only got a resolution of 800x600. I used to have the proprietary driver from ati.com installed; Though this one doesn't work on the Linux-rt kernel (no 3D acceleration), I used to get the desired resolution of 1400x1050. To regain this resolution, I tried several xorf.conf files, using "ati", "fglrx" and "vesa" as driver, but none worked. (In the process of doing so, I somehow even managed to screw up my Internet configuration on the main kernel (d'oh), so I'm actually writing this on 800x600... ) So my question is: Is there actually someone on this list, who is able to boot Linux-rt on his ubuntu machine, using an ati x700 mobility? I'd really appreciate any suggestions, more so working xorg.conf files and verified driver numbers. Greetings from Euskirchen Matthias From peter.c.finnegan at comcast.net Sat Dec 13 13:22:03 2008 From: peter.c.finnegan at comcast.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:22:03 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Using linux-rt with Ati Mobility X700 In-Reply-To: <1229187599.22976.8.camel@X20> References: <1229187599.22976.8.camel@X20> Message-ID: <1229192523.3675.14.camel@gracie.local> On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 17:59 +0100, Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: > I hadn't got the time to do some music on my ubuntu machine the last few > months, but yesterday I wanted to boot the rt-kernel on my machine. To > my surprise, I only got a resolution of 800x600. I used to have the > proprietary driver from ati.com installed; Though this one doesn't work > on the Linux-rt kernel (no 3D acceleration), I used to get the desired > resolution of 1400x1050. To regain this resolution, I tried several > xorf.conf files, using "ati", "fglrx" and "vesa" as driver, but none > worked. (In the process of doing so, I somehow even managed to screw up > my Internet configuration on the main kernel (d'oh), so I'm actually > writing this on 800x600... ) So my question is: Is there actually > someone on this list, who is able to boot Linux-rt on his ubuntu > machine, using an ati x700 mobility? I'd really appreciate any > suggestions, more so working xorg.conf files and verified driver > numbers. > > Greetings from Euskirchen > Matthias I have found that fglrx + RT = great frustration. I Have a mobility x1400 on my thinkpad. However I have gotten it to work. 1. Have you tried using the packaging from the envy project? I tried ubuntu for a little while when Hardy came out and at that time the envy packages had gotten the driver to work with the ubuntu rt kernel. http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A Apparently, it is in the Universe repo now. 2. I am currently using opensuse 11 with jenglh's kernel and I have been building the driver from ati.com. I found that there were some modifications the studio 64 forms that got the kernel module to build right. http://64studio.com/node/150 (see sydb's post dated 12-23-2007) They involve extracting the driver and then changing the license line on a couple of files, and then building a package. I also have realized that this does not give me the right to gripe if it hoses my kernel/system on a realtime kernel. So far, I have had reasonable success with this configuration. I am looking forward the the work on the ati and radeonhd driver so I don't have to mess with fglrx anymore. Best wishes PF > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user From mbs1303 at gmx.de Sat Dec 13 14:57:05 2008 From: mbs1303 at gmx.de (Matthias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nborn?=) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:57:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Using linux-rt with Ati Mobility X700 In-Reply-To: <1229192523.3675.14.camel@gracie.local> References: <1229187599.22976.8.camel@X20> <1229192523.3675.14.camel@gracie.local> Message-ID: <1229198225.7766.7.camel@X20> Am Samstag, den 13.12.2008, 12:22 -0600 schrieb Peter Finnegan: > On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 17:59 +0100, Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: > > I hadn't got the time to do some music on my ubuntu machine the last few > > months, but yesterday I wanted to boot the rt-kernel on my machine. To > > my surprise, I only got a resolution of 800x600. I used to have the > > proprietary driver from ati.com installed; Though this one doesn't work > > on the Linux-rt kernel (no 3D acceleration), I used to get the desired > > resolution of 1400x1050. To regain this resolution, I tried several > > xorf.conf files, using "ati", "fglrx" and "vesa" as driver, but none > > worked. (In the process of doing so, I somehow even managed to screw up > > my Internet configuration on the main kernel (d'oh), so I'm actually > > writing this on 800x600... ) So my question is: Is there actually > > someone on this list, who is able to boot Linux-rt on his ubuntu > > machine, using an ati x700 mobility? I'd really appreciate any > > suggestions, more so working xorg.conf files and verified driver > > numbers. > > > > Greetings from Euskirchen > > Matthias > > I have found that fglrx + RT = great frustration. I Have a mobility > x1400 on my thinkpad. However I have gotten it to work. > > 1. Have you tried using the packaging from the envy project? I tried > ubuntu for a little while when Hardy came out and at that time the envy > packages had gotten the driver to work with the ubuntu rt kernel. > http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A Apparently, it is in the > Universe repo now. > > 2. I am currently using opensuse 11 with jenglh's kernel and I have > been building the driver from ati.com. I found that there were some > modifications the studio 64 forms that got the kernel module to build > right. http://64studio.com/node/150 (see sydb's post dated 12-23-2007) > They involve extracting the driver and then changing the license line on > a couple of files, and then building a package. I also have realized > that this does not give me the right to gripe if it hoses my > kernel/system on a realtime kernel. So far, I have had reasonable > success with this configuration. > > I am looking forward the the work on the ati and radeonhd driver so I > don't have to mess with fglrx anymore. > > Best wishes > > PF I tried envy, but without success. So, seems I've got to switch to Suse or wait an unknown time till a driver is working on linux-rt... Well, maybe I'll just play my guitar. Matthias From mbs1303 at gmx.de Sat Dec 13 17:40:58 2008 From: mbs1303 at gmx.de (Matthias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nborn?=) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:40:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Using linux-rt with Ati Mobility X700 In-Reply-To: <1229198225.7766.7.camel@X20> References: <1229187599.22976.8.camel@X20> <1229192523.3675.14.camel@gracie.local> <1229198225.7766.7.camel@X20> Message-ID: <1229208058.11005.3.camel@X20> Am Samstag, den 13.12.2008, 20:57 +0100 schrieb Matthias Sch?nborn: > Am Samstag, den 13.12.2008, 12:22 -0600 schrieb Peter Finnegan: > > On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 17:59 +0100, Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: > > > I hadn't got the time to do some music on my ubuntu machine the last few > > > months, but yesterday I wanted to boot the rt-kernel on my machine. To > > > my surprise, I only got a resolution of 800x600. I used to have the > > > proprietary driver from ati.com installed; Though this one doesn't work > > > on the Linux-rt kernel (no 3D acceleration), I used to get the desired > > > resolution of 1400x1050. To regain this resolution, I tried several > > > xorf.conf files, using "ati", "fglrx" and "vesa" as driver, but none > > > worked. (In the process of doing so, I somehow even managed to screw up > > > my Internet configuration on the main kernel (d'oh), so I'm actually > > > writing this on 800x600... ) So my question is: Is there actually > > > someone on this list, who is able to boot Linux-rt on his ubuntu > > > machine, using an ati x700 mobility? I'd really appreciate any > > > suggestions, more so working xorg.conf files and verified driver > > > numbers. > > > > > > Greetings from Euskirchen > > > Matthias > > > > I have found that fglrx + RT = great frustration. I Have a mobility > > x1400 on my thinkpad. However I have gotten it to work. > > > > 1. Have you tried using the packaging from the envy project? I tried > > ubuntu for a little while when Hardy came out and at that time the envy > > packages had gotten the driver to work with the ubuntu rt kernel. > > http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A Apparently, it is in the > > Universe repo now. > > > > 2. I am currently using opensuse 11 with jenglh's kernel and I have > > been building the driver from ati.com. I found that there were some > > modifications the studio 64 forms that got the kernel module to build > > right. http://64studio.com/node/150 (see sydb's post dated 12-23-2007) > > They involve extracting the driver and then changing the license line on > > a couple of files, and then building a package. I also have realized > > that this does not give me the right to gripe if it hoses my > > kernel/system on a realtime kernel. So far, I have had reasonable > > success with this configuration. > > > > I am looking forward the the work on the ati and radeonhd driver so I > > don't have to mess with fglrx anymore. > > > > Best wishes > > > > PF > > I tried envy, but without success. So, seems I've got to switch to Suse > or wait an unknown time till a driver is working on linux-rt... Well, > maybe I'll just play my guitar. > > Matthias Well of course I'm not playing my guitar, instead I'm spending hours again googling the web. I found this one: "Yes.. the nvidia and ati drivers have been removed on purpose from rt and xen packages - it says so in the changelog under the 2.6.22-9 release. Quote: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (2.6.22.2-9.6) gutsy; urgency=low * Oh well, disable xen/rt for fglrx and nvidia. It doesn't state why they were removed neither if they will be back." Does anybody know something about this? Is there any way I can get them back in? Meanwhile, I'll return to google... Matthias From ken at restivo.org Sat Dec 13 19:17:11 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:17:11 -0800 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081212234523.7dd59a58@debian> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <20081212234523.7dd59a58@debian> Message-ID: <20081214001711.GH23051@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:45:23PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:25:35 -0800 > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Here are two short clips from last Friday night, of Linux being played live in a jazz-oriented context: > > tio o > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKqzVDR4wA > > ag > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5O-esJ8ko > > > > Bass (via fluidsynth) is left hand, Rhodes (fluidsynth going through CAPS amp simulator LADSPA plugin in ecasound) and AZR3 are right hand. > > > > The sound quality of the video isn't great, buit the Linux Laptop which is making all the keyboard and bass sounds, is clearly visible in the videos. > > > > What's that running on my screen? > > > > 1) Emacs (with the setlist and changes of the songs) > > 2) A core)uple rxvt's > > 3) Ion3 tiling window manager > > 4) Xclock so the drummer and I could keep track of our set length > > > > A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd like to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going to be visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to run, that would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -ken > > Very good. We can see and hear you're obviously enjoying yourselves. > It's also nice to put faces to the music :) > Thanks! For last night's show (with Audiobraille) I took Frank's suggestion and ran meterbridge in old-skool VU mode, and an RXVT with aseqdump, in addition to my Xclock. It made it a bit more interesting to look at for the couple people sitting off to one side of the stage. The aseqdump scrolling up looks somewhat like a tracker, which I guess might have confused any techno/house/IDM musicians who might have been lurking around back there (there weren't any AFAICT). Thanks again! -ken From frankpirrone at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 20:17:05 2008 From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:17:05 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081214001711.GH23051@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <20081212234523.7dd59a58@debian> <20081214001711.GH23051@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <49445E91.8060007@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Restivo wrote: > > For last night's show (with Audiobraille) I took Frank's suggestion > and ran meterbridge in old-skool VU mode, and an RXVT with aseqdump, > in addition to my Xclock. It made it a bit more interesting to look > at for the couple people sitting off to one side of the stage. > > The aseqdump scrolling up looks somewhat like a tracker, which I > guess might have confused any techno/house/IDM musicians who might > have been lurking around back there (there weren't any AFAICT). > Hey Ken, I had another idea for a highly kinetic display as an alternative to meterbridge and aseqdump running in xterms sharing the real estate of your laptop screen: You could script up the opening and closing of xterms with some nice meaty geom settings to switch back and forth between the two applications sized to more completely fill the display. Screen, among other approaches, would work. Frank -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklEXpEACgkQhIzUKCTXcU2EXgCgsY3VZ8mktw/4HOr0/5VIKS/Q SE0An346TlyR/dUiDOGolFPF6dw6nFaQ =1r/w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jh at brainiac.com Sat Dec 13 20:21:41 2008 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:21:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:38:59 -0600 The Other wrote: > And Joe, don't do a total uninstall of everything PulseAudio. I tried > that and had to do a complete reinstall of Fedora 10 and of Fedora 9, > as Nigel said someone else did. Removing PulseAudio in total borks > Fedora. I did the Fedora 9 installation this afternoon, I've now got the Planet working great. I disabled PulseAudio by removing the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio RPM, and used the rpmfusion.org (formerly livna) repositories for the useful stuff like video player and MP3 support. Got the NVidia drivers built against the 2.6.24.7-1 RT kernel painlessly too, and my Ardour 2.7.1 build is chugging along fine. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From matt at smiffytech.com Sat Dec 13 21:17:12 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:47:12 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Desparately seeking: a gui-less DAW Message-ID: <49446CA8.80808@smiffytech.com> Hi Folks My laptop runs Gentoo Linux. It is primarily a work tool - I write web applications. As I use my own self-compiled Apache HTTPd, MySQL and Perl (as well as a whole load of other tools), wiping the machine and starting from scratch isn't something that I can undertake lightly. In the past, it has taken about a week to do this when changing machines. "What's that got to do with audio?" I hear you ask. What it has to do with audio is that fact that I can't use Ardour (won't compile), Rosegarden (crashes) or Qtractor (crashes unless run as root). I've tried Muse but the graphics are so squashed and awful that it is unusable. Now, all the above issues appear to be down to the underlying GUI toolkits (re-installation/upgrading of QT, KDE, GTK doesn't fix anything - given up even trying). As I'm not really that big a fan of GUI applications anyway, I wonder if I'm taking the wrong approach - should I not be using a console application instead? Having a look around, I have stumbled on Ecasound - sounds good to me apart from the fact that I can't see any mention about being able to sync to MIDI. I don't need a sequencer - I have one in my Kawai K5000W that is just SO easy to use that I wouldn't bother using one on the computer. I do, however, need that synchronisation - MIDI start/stop, clock in the recording application. Suggestions? Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From rdoursenaud at free.fr Sat Dec 13 22:24:41 2008 From: rdoursenaud at free.fr (=?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2wgRG91cnNlbmF1ZA==?=) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:24:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Desparately seeking: a gui-less DAW In-Reply-To: <49446CA8.80808@smiffytech.com> References: <49446CA8.80808@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <49447C79.30601@free.fr> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Smith a ?crit : > > Hi Folks > > > > My laptop runs Gentoo Linux. It is primarily a work tool - I write web > > applications. As I use my own self-compiled Apache HTTPd, MySQL and > > Perl (as well as a whole load of other tools), wiping the machine and > > starting from scratch isn't something that I can undertake lightly. In > > the past, it has taken about a week to do this when changing machines. > > > > "What's that got to do with audio?" I hear you ask. What it has to do > > with audio is that fact that I can't use Ardour (won't compile), > > Rosegarden (crashes) or Qtractor (crashes unless run as root). I've > > tried Muse but the graphics are so squashed and awful that it is unusable. > > > > Now, all the above issues appear to be down to the underlying GUI > > toolkits (re-installation/upgrading of QT, KDE, GTK doesn't fix anything > > - given up even trying). As I'm not really that big a fan of GUI > > applications anyway, I wonder if I'm taking the wrong approach - should > > I not be using a console application instead? > > > > Having a look around, I have stumbled on Ecasound - sounds good to me > > apart from the fact that I can't see any mention about being able to > > sync to MIDI. > > > > I don't need a sequencer - I have one in my Kawai K5000W that is just SO > > easy to use that I wouldn't bother using one on the computer. I do, > > however, need that synchronisation - MIDI start/stop, clock in the > > recording application. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > Cheers > > > > M > > > > - From reading the manpage of ecasound, it seems to be able to send MIDI start/stop messages but won't send clock (yet). No word about being able to interpret incoming MIDI start/stop or clock messages but some code documentation suggests that the feature is being developped. Maybe you should try asking about it on the ecasound list. All the best! - -- Rapha?l Doursenaud -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklEfHcACgkQaZKmNAdXaVUZWgCg0hzI3u0nXCFYee7TFsB/hxun FagAoNQRiBSHPZUbaXmSRRZzRAGXE/1I =mz55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Dec 13 22:32:32 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:32:32 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1229225552.9354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 20:21 -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:38:59 -0600 > The Other wrote: > > And Joe, don't do a total uninstall of everything PulseAudio. I tried > > that and had to do a complete reinstall of Fedora 10 and of Fedora 9, > > as Nigel said someone else did. Removing PulseAudio in total borks > > Fedora. > > I did the Fedora 9 installation this afternoon, I've now got the Planet > working great. I disabled PulseAudio by removing the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > RPM, and used the rpmfusion.org (formerly livna) repositories for the > useful stuff like video player and MP3 support. > > Got the NVidia drivers built against the 2.6.24.7-1 RT kernel painlessly > too, and my Ardour 2.7.1 build is chugging along fine. Ardour 2.7.1 is in Planet CCRMA's testing repository for fc9 (another build coming up soon with lv2 support). -- Fernando From ken at restivo.org Sun Dec 14 01:17:27 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:17:27 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Higher resolution video with sync'ed stereo audio Message-ID: <20081214061727.GA28260@aieee.restivo.org> I was able to get the high-resolution video clip of Me and My Cronies, synced up with the high-resolution audio recorded on the Zoom H2, and both to upload to Vimeo. They're here: http://vimeo.com/2519799 and here http://vimeo.com/2519825 Funny how the Zoom that they're recorded on is visible in the video, but neither were synced up or otherwise connected until I imported the tracks in Ardour. So that'll solve the "AGC pumping" problem Frank noted. Sound quality is much nicer. Vimeo is great, but there's one slight annoyance: uploading to it requires Flash, which I despise, and which doesn't work with the free Flash swfdec package in Debian. Process used to sync the video to a Zoom H2 44.1/16 audio file: 1) mplayer -ao pcm:file=bad-audio.wav original-video.avi 2) mencoder -nosound -ovc copy -o muted-video.avi original-video.avi 3) Open an Ardour project and import the high-resolution WAV (from the Zoom) and the bad-audio.wav file. 4) Visually and aurally sync up the two audios-- easy at extreme +/- zoom levels. 5) Mute the "bad-audio" track. 6) Line up the start and end with the start and end of the "bad-audio" track (or use regions). Adjust the left/right panning to match that of the video if they're reversed (it was in this case). 7) Export the audio to highres-audio.wav (or regions). 8) lame -cbr 192 -m s -h highres-audio.wav 9) avimerge -o synced-video.avi -i muted-video.avi -p highres-audio.wav.mp3 10) mencoder synced-video.avi -o synced-video-small.avi -oac copy -ovc xvid -xvidopts bitrate=1500 (or do a two-pass version). 11) Find a machine with an Adobe Flash player, and upload the video to Vimeo. -ken From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 14 05:31:53 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:31:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Desparately seeking: a gui-less DAW In-Reply-To: <49447C79.30601@free.fr> References: <49446CA8.80808@smiffytech.com> <49447C79.30601@free.fr> Message-ID: Hi! Ecasound is good. Have been using it myself for years now. Yes the thought of syncing ecasound to MIDI is there. But the clock thing won't be here for a while. Which is a pity, I'm looking forward to it myself. BUT: The midi-sequencer midish is looking for a way. And that way would most certainly be put into an external application first. So you could probably just try to use it, when it's there. The idea is to translate MIDI clock to jack transport timing events. I don't know how this is coming along, but it's higher on the midish list, than MIDI-syncing is on ecasound's. If I said something wrong here, please do correct me. Kai, Alexandre? Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Dec 14 05:33:53 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:33:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <49445E91.8060007@gmail.com> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> <20081212234523.7dd59a58@debian> <20081214001711.GH23051@aieee.restivo.org> <49445E91.8060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081214103353.GA19849@siel> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:17:05PM -0500, frank pirrone wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > > For last night's show (with Audiobraille) I took Frank's suggestion > > and ran meterbridge in old-skool VU mode, and an RXVT with aseqdump, > > in addition to my Xclock. It made it a bit more interesting to look > > at for the couple people sitting off to one side of the stage. > > > > The aseqdump scrolling up looks somewhat like a tracker, which I > > guess might have confused any techno/house/IDM musicians who might > > have been lurking around back there (there weren't any AFAICT). > > > Hey Ken, > > I had another idea for a highly kinetic display as an alternative to > meterbridge and aseqdump running in xterms sharing the real estate of > your laptop screen: > > You could script up the opening and closing of xterms with some nice > meaty geom settings to switch back and forth between the two > applications sized to more completely fill the display. > > Screen, among other approaches, would work. he is already using ion as a WM. I dont think its possible with ion to not have the desktop filled. At least its always filled, if you want to. -- torben Hohn From mbs1303 at gmx.de Sun Dec 14 06:05:30 2008 From: mbs1303 at gmx.de (Matthias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nborn?=) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:05:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] fglrx + linux-rt + Ubuntu = possible! Message-ID: <1229252730.5758.18.camel@X20> I did it! Finally I'm able to boot linux-rt with working (but proprietary) fglrx drivers. I used kernel versions 2.6.27-7 and 2.6.27-3-rt from the repos. Here's a Howto for everyone who also spend hours of frustration: 0. Uninstall the fglrx driver and linux-rt if installed. 1. Last night I found https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive . There's a subfolder "fglrx-installer". Download those debs (fglrx-amdcccle_8.543, fglrx-kernel-source_8.543, fglrx-modaliases_8.543, libamdxvba1_8.543, xorg-driver-fglrx_8.543, xorg-driver-fglrx-dev_8.543) and install them. Neither mess around with those other files like "fglrx-installer", I didn't need them, nor add the repository to your list (also not needed, linux-rt won't even install if you do that). If the files mentioned above aren't there, email me. 2. Just install linux-rt, image, headers, restricted modules in synaptic - watch for the dkms message! If fglrx was succesfully build in your standart kernel, it should automatically install for the linux-rt kernel. In my case it was confused because there was fglrx 8.552 and fglrx 8.543 installed, I had to remove version 8.552 in order to get it to build (sudo dkms remove -m fglrx -v 8.552 --all). If dkms in the details dialog in synaptic says it's alright you should be fine. I'm so happy, I'm going to post this on ubuntuusers.de and the proprietary ati driver wiki. Cheers! Matthias From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Dec 14 06:21:04 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:21:04 -0500 Subject: [LAU] fglrx + linux-rt + Ubuntu = possible! In-Reply-To: <1229252730.5758.18.camel@X20> References: <1229252730.5758.18.camel@X20> Message-ID: <4944EC20.10703@woh.rr.com> Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: > I did it! Finally I'm able to boot linux-rt with working (but > proprietary) fglrx drivers. I used kernel versions 2.6.27-7 and > 2.6.27-3-rt from the repos. [snip] For the record, I'm using the 2.6.27-3-rt kernel (Molnar patch) with Ubuntu 8.10, it's been pretty stable for the light-weight work I've done so far. I installed that kernel via Synaptic, but I had to rebuild the proprietary nVidia kernel module (the latest version). No problems yet. :) Best, dp From torbenh at gmx.de Sun Dec 14 06:57:46 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:57:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Desparately seeking: a gui-less DAW In-Reply-To: References: <49446CA8.80808@smiffytech.com> <49447C79.30601@free.fr> Message-ID: <20081214115746.GA20161@siel> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:31:53AM +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi! > Ecasound is good. Have been using it myself for years now. > Yes the thought of syncing ecasound to MIDI is there. But the clock thing > won't be here for a while. Which is a pity, I'm looking forward to it myself. > BUT: The midi-sequencer midish is looking for a way. And that way would most > certainly be put into an external application first. So you could probably > just try to use it, when it's there. > The idea is to translate MIDI clock to jack transport timing events. I don't > know how this is coming along, but it's higher on the midish list, than > MIDI-syncing is on ecasound's. this cant work. jack-transport is running at the same speed as the soundcard audio clock. All you can do, is stop it, and restart, at a new position. But starting takes an undefined time in the presence of slow-sync clients. You can make that work for light weight clients. But ecasound is also a slow sync client. So all you can do is slave your midi gear to jack transport. and of course interpret start-stop commands from the midi-gear. An app that generates midiclock from jack-transport should be quite trivial though. -- torben Hohn From bjornw at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 07:21:57 2008 From: bjornw at gmail.com (Bjorn Westergard) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:21:57 -0500 Subject: [LAU] More linux live on the YouTubes In-Reply-To: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081212212535.GA30791@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: > A lot of times I close the latop lid. But, when I leave it open, I'd like > to have something more interesting showing on screen if it's going to be > visible from the audience. Any ideas/suggestions as to what to run, that > would be visually interesting, but not too CPU intensive? The work intense, but ultimately most satisfying, answer is to write something in processing (http://processing.org). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081214/decaa428/attachment.htm From hollunder at gmx.at Sun Dec 14 07:26:27 2008 From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:26:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Higher resolution video with sync'ed stereo audio In-Reply-To: <20081214061727.GA28260@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081214061727.GA28260@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20081214132627.2cce53aa@gmx.at> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:17:27 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > I was able to get the high-resolution video clip of Me and My > Cronies, synced up with the high-resolution audio recorded on the > Zoom H2, and both to upload to Vimeo. > > They're here: > > http://vimeo.com/2519799 > > and here > > http://vimeo.com/2519825 > > Funny how the Zoom that they're recorded on is visible in the video, > but neither were synced up or otherwise connected until I imported > the tracks in Ardour. > > So that'll solve the "AGC pumping" problem Frank noted. Sound quality > is much nicer. > > Vimeo is great, but there's one slight annoyance: uploading to it > requires Flash, which I despise, and which doesn't work with the free > Flash swfdec package in Debian. > > Process used to sync the video to a Zoom H2 44.1/16 audio file: > > 1) mplayer -ao pcm:file=bad-audio.wav original-video.avi > 2) mencoder -nosound -ovc copy -o muted-video.avi original-video.avi > 3) Open an Ardour project and import the high-resolution WAV (from > the Zoom) and the bad-audio.wav file. 4) Visually and aurally sync up > the two audios-- easy at extreme +/- zoom levels. 5) Mute the > "bad-audio" track. 6) Line up the start and end with the start and > end of the "bad-audio" track (or use regions). Adjust the left/right > panning to match that of the video if they're reversed (it was in > this case). 7) Export the audio to highres-audio.wav (or regions). 8) > lame -cbr 192 -m s -h highres-audio.wav 9) avimerge -o > synced-video.avi -i muted-video.avi -p highres-audio.wav.mp3 10) > mencoder synced-video.avi -o synced-video-small.avi -oac copy -ovc > xvid -xvidopts bitrate=1500 (or do a two-pass version). 11) Find a > machine with an Adobe Flash player, and upload the video to Vimeo. > > > -ken Well, Vimeo requires flash to watch the movie as well, and it also does neither work with gnash (flash player alternative) nor with clive (video downloader). Too bad :/ Philipp From ilfhi at gmx.de Sun Dec 14 08:37:32 2008 From: ilfhi at gmx.de (Nils Gey) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:37:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Creative Common License and Rerecordings/Concerts Message-ID: <20081214143732.a9156277.ilfhi@gmx.de> Hi list, I have a license question, maybe you can help me. A short while ago I released my album "Laute Minne macht dich Hinne" (http://www.wargsang.de/download.php?file=1) under a CC-by-sa license. That means that anyone can do anything with the recordings (for example share, sell or remix them). But what does that mean for the music itself, the composition. If someone now plays one of my songs himself...? Is this covered by the license? Are people allowed or is this a complete different matter? I personally don't think people can play my songs, but I'm not sure. After all the CC-by-sa only means the recording itself, not the musical composition behind it. What do you thin? Nils From anders at dahnielson.com Sun Dec 14 08:37:49 2008 From: anders at dahnielson.com (Anders Dahnielson) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:37:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Higher resolution video with sync'ed stereo audio In-Reply-To: <20081214132627.2cce53aa@gmx.at> References: <20081214061727.GA28260@aieee.restivo.org> <20081214132627.2cce53aa@gmx.at> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 13:26, wrote: > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:17:27 -0800 > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > I was able to get the high-resolution video clip of Me and My > > Cronies, synced up with the high-resolution audio recorded on the > > Zoom H2, and both to upload to Vimeo. > > > > They're here: > > > > http://vimeo.com/2519799 > > > > and here > > > > http://vimeo.com/2519825 > > > > Well, Vimeo requires flash to watch the movie as well, and it also > does neither work with gnash (flash player alternative) nor with clive > (video downloader). Too bad :/ > Well, you can always scroll down the Vimeo page and just download the AVI file. -- Anders Dahnielson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for the reminder. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From roberto.gordo at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 09:32:28 2008 From: roberto.gordo at gmail.com (Roberto Gordo Saez) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:32:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Creative Common License and Rerecordings/Concerts In-Reply-To: <20081214143732.a9156277.ilfhi@gmx.de> References: <20081214143732.a9156277.ilfhi@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20081214143228.GA23365@thing.nowhere> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:37:32PM +0100, Nils Gey wrote: > But what does that mean for the music itself, the composition. If someone now plays one of my songs himself...? > Is this covered by the license? Are people allowed or is this a complete different matter? Hi Nils! I've listed to your music, and I like it! AFAIK, if someone uses one of your songs to make a cover or a derivative version, it is an "Adaptation" as defined by the CC license, they must give credit to you and the adaptation must be published also under CC-by-sa license. Public performance of an adapted work is permitted by the license. This is an excerpt of the full CC-by-sa: "Adaptation" means a work based upon the Work, or upon the Work and other pre-existing works, such as a translation, adaptation, derivative work, arrangement of music or other alterations of a literary or artistic work, or phonogram or performance and includes cinematographic adaptations or any other form in which the Work may be recast, transformed, or adapted including in any form recognizably derived from the original[...] From phlaw23 at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 11:54:00 2008 From: phlaw23 at gmail.com (Brian Doucette) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:54:00 +1800 Subject: [LAU] USB audio interface for laptop Ubunto Message-ID: <2d8e189c0812140854x6e596d1etddd23dfce6d13217@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am currently running Ubuntu on my Compaq Laptop. I am fairly new to Linux. I need a USB Audio Interface, I do audio production and do alot of onsite recording. I usually just plug my recording device (Tascam 788) directly into a music groups sounds system and record on 1 track, so I don't need anything realy fancy. I am hoping to spend around $200-$300 or so. Any recommendations or suggestions would be great. Thanks Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081215/72879d78/attachment.htm From confrey at email.it Sun Dec 14 12:28:51 2008 From: confrey at email.it (confrey) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] how to manage expression control? Message-ID: <49454253.6010902@email.it> Hi everybody, I wrote a few time ago about 'crescendo' in long notes, and I thank you for yours suggestes; now I'd like to know what's the finest mode to manage CC #11 : I've began to use Rosegarden, and I've seen in matrix editor I can define a lines to manage expression, but it works by big steps only, I'd like a better and smoothly effect; which sequencer software can I use? bye and thanks again confrey From idragosani at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 12:39:17 2008 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:39:17 -0500 Subject: [LAU] how to manage expression control? In-Reply-To: <49454253.6010902@email.it> References: <49454253.6010902@email.it> Message-ID: <18b65aac0812140939h28c80fcfx6258a603f48c9a14@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM, confrey wrote: > I wrote a few time ago about 'crescendo' in long notes, and I thank you > for yours suggestes; now I'd like to know what's the finest mode to > manage CC #11 : I've began to use Rosegarden, and I've seen in matrix > editor I can define a lines to manage expression, but it works by big > steps only, I'd like a better and smoothly effect; which sequencer > software can I use? Keep in mind you can only define CC values in discrete steps from 1 to 127 so you are limited really in terms of how curved you can get. Lately, I've been using a Wacom tablet & pen for drawing MIDI automation curves, especially for expression. You can get much finer control if you are using freehand curves instead of straight lines for you CC data. Another option, of course, is to use an expression pedal and record your changes. -- Brett ------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From emillo at libero.it Sun Dec 14 13:03:53 2008 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:03:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] fglrx + linux-rt + Ubuntu = possible! In-Reply-To: <4944EC20.10703@woh.rr.com> (Dave Phillips's message of "Sun\, 14 Dec 2008 06\:21\:04 -0500") References: <1229252730.5758.18.camel@X20> <4944EC20.10703@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <87iqpmvdkm.fsf@emillo.net> Dave Phillips writes: > Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: >> I did it! Finally I'm able to boot linux-rt with working (but >> proprietary) fglrx drivers. I used kernel versions 2.6.27-7 and >> 2.6.27-3-rt from the repos. [snip] > > For the record, I'm using the 2.6.27-3-rt kernel (Molnar patch) with > Ubuntu 8.10, it's been pretty stable for the light-weight work I've done > so far. I installed that kernel via Synaptic, but I had to rebuild the > proprietary nVidia kernel module (the latest version). No problems yet. :) Hi Dave! I tried the same kernel but I'm getting very poor MIDI performance (only external MIDI, provided by a behringer umx61 usb keyboard). Jack audio seems fine but playing zynaddsubfx gives horrible latency (not present using zyn's own virtual keyboard) Did you try that kernel with an external device? > Best, > > dp Cheers -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From confrey at email.it Sun Dec 14 13:26:47 2008 From: confrey at email.it (confrey) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:26:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] how to manage expression control? In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0812140939h28c80fcfx6258a603f48c9a14@mail.gmail.com> References: <49454253.6010902@email.it> <18b65aac0812140939h28c80fcfx6258a603f48c9a14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49454FE7.1020604@email.it> Brett McCoy ha scritto: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:28 PM, confrey wrote: > > >> I wrote a few time ago about 'crescendo' in long notes, and I thank you >> for yours suggestes; now I'd like to know what's the finest mode to >> manage CC #11 : I've began to use Rosegarden, and I've seen in matrix >> editor I can define a lines to manage expression, but it works by big >> steps only, I'd like a better and smoothly effect; which sequencer >> software can I use? >> > > Keep in mind you can only define CC values in discrete steps from 1 to > 127 so you are limited really in terms of how curved you can get. > oh, discrete steps : I mean about timing, not intensity; in Rosegarden I can have more little steps using Ctrl key, but it's not enough; I don't want use control change as live performance,k only to edit espression of midifiles; can you suggest another way? bye and thanks confrey From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 14 14:38:23 2008 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (The Other) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:38:23 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> Joe Hartley wrote: > I did the Fedora 9 installation this afternoon, I've now got the Planet > working great. I disabled PulseAudio by removing the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > RPM, and used the rpmfusion.org (formerly livna) repositories for the > useful stuff like video player and MP3 support. > > Got the NVidia drivers built against the 2.6.24.7-1 RT kernel painlessly > too, and my Ardour 2.7.1 build is chugging along fine. Congratulations, Joe. To All, I starting having some kernel faults with 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc9.ccrmart, so I rebooted back to 2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686. Running without realtime was working for me, so why not? But as soon as I rebooted back into 2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686, all sound output was defaulted back to the motherboard speaker again. This was without having alsa-plugins-pulseaudio RPM installed. Okay. I've noticed that sometimes when things like this happen it helps to reinstall the RPM and then uninstall the RPM. I tried that but it didn't help. Then I looked into the /etc/pulse/default.pa file, and went into the ### Load Audio Drivers section and put in this: load-module module-alsa-sink load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 and commented out everything in the ### Automatically Load Drivers section so hal-detect wouldn't be used. That helped some. But now I think I understand what is causing my trouble. The motherboard sound chip is getting recognized as hw:0 (default), and the Audigy2 ZS is getting recognized as hw:1. I think RealPlayer 11 is using hw:0 as the output, hence it's getting kicked out on the motherboard speaker. In prior versions of ALSA, I remember a program called alsaconfig (or something close to that) that let you specify the order of your sound chips/cards. I would always set the Audigy2 to become hw:0. I need something like this for PulseAudio. Then some of these older sound programs which always use hw:0 would be using the Audigy2 instead of the motherboard. Any ideas? Thanks All, Stephen. From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Sun Dec 14 15:24:20 2008 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:24:20 +0000 Subject: [LAU] midi note controllers Message-ID: <49456B74.1000108@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> hello, I've been looking at the midi 1.0 specifications and it looks as if in midi you only have 3 controllers which apply specifically to a given note rather than a whole channel. I.e. volume, note number and aftertouch. All the other controllers seem to apply to all the notes played in a given channel rather than just a single note. Is this the case, or have later revisions of the midi spec provided ways of getting round this? I can't find a later midi spec on the web so assume there isn't a way round it. andy From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 14 15:42:00 2008 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:42:00 +0000 Subject: [LAU] More New Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081214204200.699b1243@debian> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:10:09 -0500 "Chip VanDan" wrote: > It's been a long while since I've updated my site, but I added 6 new > songs to the bottom of my page. I appreciated all the helpful > feedback I got from the last time I posted my music to this list and > I'm hoping for the same results. All %100 Linux (even the included > art was designed in Gimp and Inkscape) > > http://airlynx.sitesled.com > > Christopher VanDan ("Airlynx") Very nice. I especially like 'Persistance', but then I'm a Zyn person myself :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 14 15:47:29 2008 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:47:29 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. Message-ID: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' song, so I persevered and here is the result. http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.ogg or http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.mp3 -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 14 16:20:11 2008 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (The Other) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:20:11 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Solved (I hope) Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4945788B.5060708@sbcglobal.net> The Other wrote: > Then I looked into the /etc/pulse/default.pa file, and went into the > ### Load Audio Drivers section and put in this: > > load-module module-alsa-sink > load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 > > and commented out everything in the ### Automatically Load Drivers > section so hal-detect wouldn't be used. > > > That helped some. But now I think I understand what is causing my > trouble. The motherboard sound chip is getting recognized as hw:0 > (default), and the Audigy2 ZS is getting recognized as hw:1. > > I think RealPlayer 11 is using hw:0 as the output, hence it's getting > kicked out on the motherboard speaker. In prior versions of ALSA, I > remember a program called alsaconfig (or something close to that) that > let you specify the order of your sound chips/cards. I would always > set the Audigy2 to become hw:0. > > I need something like this for PulseAudio. Then some of these older > sound programs which always use hw:0 would be using the Audigy2 > instead of the motherboard. While trying to change the default sound card for hw:0, I looked at the end of the /etc/pulse/default.pa file. There was a section labelled ### Make Some Devices Default. This looked very promising. Somewhere in the PulseAudio documentation I thought I saw something about being able to use the label for the hardware device. So instead of saying hw:1,0, I tried using hw:[Audigy2] to specify the device. In the ### Load Audio Drivers Statically section, I modified my lines to: load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:[Audigy2] load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:[Audigy2] Then in the ### Make Some Devices Default section, I added: set-default-sink device=hw:[Audigy2] set-default-source device=hw:[Audigy2] Saved out and relogged in as a normal user. Serendipity! I had borked-up the PulseAudio Server so that it wouldn't connect/initialize/start-up/whatever it does. I was no longer at the mercy of PulseAudio! I then removed the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio RPM. Now ALSA is in control of everything like it was before this upgrade to Fedora Core 9. The motherboard speaker is silent, as it always should be. I can't run RealAudio 11 (I can configure it, but as soon as I tell it to play an internet radio stream RealAudio immediately closes itself and hides.) But I can still use Firefox to play the internet radio stream, so I'm happy. The moral of this story: If PulseAudio is making your life miserable, give it some default sinks and sources that don't exist. PulseAudio will go away and give you some peace. Now, do I dare reboot this machine and find out that my method doesn't really work? No way! Thanks All, Stephen. From hollunder at gmx.at Sun Dec 14 16:42:49 2008 From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:42:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Higher resolution video with sync'ed stereo audio In-Reply-To: References: <20081214061727.GA28260@aieee.restivo.org> <20081214132627.2cce53aa@gmx.at> Message-ID: <20081214224249.18f194f7@gmx.at> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:37:49 +0100 "Anders Dahnielson" wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 13:26, wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:17:27 -0800 > > Ken Restivo wrote: > > > > > I was able to get the high-resolution video clip of Me and My > > > Cronies, synced up with the high-resolution audio recorded on the > > > Zoom H2, and both to upload to Vimeo. > > > > > > They're here: > > > > > > http://vimeo.com/2519799 > > > > > > and here > > > > > > http://vimeo.com/2519825 > > > > > > > Well, Vimeo requires flash to watch the movie as well, and it also > > does neither work with gnash (flash player alternative) nor with > > clive (video downloader). Too bad :/ > > > > Well, you can always scroll down the Vimeo page and just download the > AVI file. > IF you are registered. From hollunder at gmx.at Sun Dec 14 16:52:03 2008 From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:52:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: <20081214225203.78ad2fd6@gmx.at> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:47:29 +0000 Folderol wrote: > After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own > voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in > September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job > and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' > song, so I persevered and here is the result. > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.ogg > or > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.mp3 > Thanks a lot, I absolutely love that kind of voice. Please sing some more. Best regards, Philipp From mazarick at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 14 17:17:08 2008 From: mazarick at bellsouth.net (Mike Mazarick) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:17:08 -0500 Subject: [LAU] optimal disk performance, ubuntu Message-ID: <007c01c95e39$b5080bc0$1f182340$@net> I was reading over this thread while researching a fix for my problem. I thought I would share what I happening on my machine, and hopefully it will provide you with some insight into your situation. I don't have the answer yet, but maybe I can provide a different view of what the problem is. I am currently trying to get 4 PCI cards with 8 channels to work with a new motherboard (MSI Neo 3FR). I also have an nvidia GeForce 9600 NGO video card, an Intel Core2 Extreme Quad processor, 4 GB of memory, and 4 Sata II disks installed. I am currently running Fedora Core 8, with CCRMA modifications for sound. The audio card is an old Gadget Labs card, and there is a linux driver, but it isn't part of the Alsa tree yet. I have to compile and install a module to make the Gadget Labs cards work. I can easily get 3 cards working (24 channels), but I am needing to do some 'black magic' to get 4 cards working. I am not getting any sound out of the fourth soundcard. So far, it sounds familiar, doesn't it? (not enough channels coming out). One of the benefits of having the new linux driver is that there is already some basic diagnostics built into the driver, and you can see reports in /var/log/messages of how long it takes to open or close the card to it's memory buffer. This was originally used because the interface chip was so old that it didn't have DMA, and a 'software DMA' had to be written, and this was the mechanism to test the card/driver and figure out its performance. For my particular system, because I can run a test and see the driver performance in /var/log/messages (I'm using Jack/Ardour for 'high level stuff, aplay, arecord, etc for low level stuff), I have seen that the video card driver is sending a bunch of interrupts down the PCI bus (even though it is on PCI Express). The particular driver that is sending the interrupts down the PCI bus is called NV, and is an open source implementation of NVidia drivers. I get rid of all graphics by issuing 'init 3' instead of being at the normal runlevel 5 (graphics). As an example for playback only, here are some statistics for one card in the graphics mode: [root at localhost tmp]# cat /var/log/messages |grep ISR ... Dec 13 12:18:23 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop ISR took between 47 and 137 samples Dec 13 12:18:23 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers TO CARD within ISR took between 11 and 100 samples Dec 13 12:18:23 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers FROM CARD within ISR took between 35 and 125 samples (There is a 128 sample-memory on the card. It is easier to deal with samples than time, so the 44100khz or 48000khz can be scaled more easily. What you are seeing is that I am about to run out of time on the PCI bus if I only have 128 samples to play with) When I go to a non-graphics mode with init 3, I get the following results: [root at localhost tmp]# cat /var/log/messages ... Dec 13 22:03:22 localhost kernel: pcm_gl824_output_trigger 0 Dec 13 22:03:22 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Master card's clock position stopped at 1540 Dec 13 22:03:22 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop ISR took between 2 and 4 samples Dec 13 22:03:22 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers TO CARD within ISR took between 2 and 4 samples Dec 13 22:03:22 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers FROM CARD within ISR took between 0 and 1 samples . Dec 13 22:07:48 localhost kernel: pcm_gl824_output_trigger 0 Dec 13 22:07:48 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Master card's clock position stopped at 1932 Dec 13 22:07:48 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop ISR took between 10 and 12 samples Dec 13 22:07:48 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers TO CARD within ISR took between 10 and 11 samples Dec 13 22:07:48 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers FROM CARD within ISR took between 0 and 1 samples Dec 13 22:07:48 localhost kernel: pcm_gl824_output_hw_free Dec 13 22:07:48 localhost kernel: pcm_gl824_output_close What this means is that some interrupt in the graphics mode was taking up all the PCI bus. Now, further testing in nongraphic mode revealed that there is still an issue with hard disk interrupts taking up a lot of PCI bus time. I'm running arecord and aplay for about 30 seconds to see what the performance is. I'm recording and playing back 8 channels at once in the 32 bit noninterleaved mode. After I record 8 channels for about 30 seconds with arecord (creating one honkin' big file) and playing it back with aplay, I get the following stats when looking at the output of the card: Dec 14 09:39:15 localhost kernel: pcm_gl824_output_trigger 0 Dec 14 09:39:15 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Master card's clock position stopped at 397 Dec 14 09:39:15 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop ISR took between 11 and 1498 samples Dec 14 09:39:15 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers TO CARD within ISR took between 0 and 98 samples Dec 14 09:39:15 localhost kernel: api_gl824_stop Buffer transfers FROM CARD within ISR took between 0 and 39 samples Dec 14 09:39:15 localhost kernel: pcm_gl824_output_hw_free This means that there are still interrupts happening on the PCI bus while the card is trying to play. I'm reading the following link to determine what is the best next thing to do, but I'm also looking at a modern equivalent to 'hdparm' (and maybe hdparm if I can get it to work with my Sata disks). Here's a link that gives an approach to solving the problem: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/hardware-stability-p2.xml In my opinion, the problem I'm having is because the hard disks are 'too fast' with 'too much priority' and are taking up too much bandwidth on the PCI bus. You may be having the same thing happen. It may be that instead of your problem being that your disks are too slow, the real problem is that your disk may be too fast. I remember having very severe problems with disk interrupts when I first started using this software and scsi disks on a Sun V20z (which are much faster than IDE or SATA). Once I switched to a normal PC (with slower IDE disks), the underruns just disappeared. Fortunately with that setup, you could actually hear the disks move and see the underruns happen at the same time. If anyone else has been down this road and knows of how to solve the underlying issues (sata hard disk interrupts taking up too much PCI bandwidth), I am still searching for an answer and I'm VERY interested in hearing something from you. Thanks in advance, Mike Mazarick If someone else has been down this road -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081214/85655001/attachment.htm From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Dec 14 17:15:54 2008 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:15:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: <20081214221554.GD3010@zita2.kokkinizita.net> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 08:47:29PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own > voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in > September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job > and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' > song, so I persevered and here is the result. > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.ogg Nice song, nice voice ! I guess you're monitoring on a system that lacks the lower bass - here (on a calibrated and room-equalised system) the result is very bass-heavy. If you have an Ardour session of this I'd love to have a go at remixing it ! Ciao, -- FA Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica Parma, Italia O tu, che porte, correndo si ? E guerra e morte ! From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 18:07:58 2008 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:07:58 +1100 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Folderol wrote: > After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own > voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in > September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job > and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' > song, so I persevered and here is the result. > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.ogg > or > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.mp3 > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > This is really pretty damn good. Next time get somebody with a double bass to do your bass line though. (hint: i've got a double bass) I really like your voice too, very Leonard Cohen, which is a great thing. Also has a hint of Nick Cave. SING MORE! :) Loki From tfric at learnkanji.ca Sun Dec 14 19:30:45 2008 From: tfric at learnkanji.ca (tfric at learnkanji.ca) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:30:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers Message-ID: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> Hi, I am interested in getting a midi controller with lots of knobs and sliders for controlling soft synths, effects and my Roland Sonic Cell. The keyboard I use doesn't have any controls but the keys (not even pitch/modultation). I've been looking at the 2 octave keyboards from novation, m-audio, behringer and roland specifically. I also like the korg nanoKontrol. Can anyone recomend something that works well with Alsa? Does anyone know of any problems with using these through usb? Thanks From noisesmith at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 21:56:11 2008 From: noisesmith at gmail.com (Justin Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:56:11 -0800 Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers In-Reply-To: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> References: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> Message-ID: <9e76fbda0812141856o58b1f2bke50678a746cf1fcd@mail.gmail.com> I recently got an m-audio oxygen8 and a behringer bcf2000. they both work with alsa midi via usb, as simple as plugging them in, no configuration needed on my machine or the remote machine. The oxygen8 is about $100us new and has a two octave keyboard with large keys that have a nice feel, eight knobs, a spring-return pitch-bend wheel, and a mod wheel, and 6 midi transport control buttons, plus a midi out jack and a plug for a sustain pedal. The bcf2000 (should be about $200us) has 8 motorized continuous controller sliders, which send a cc when moved, and move when you send a cc to it. it also has 32 virtual knobs, eight accessable at a time, also settable via cc, with an led ring indicator on each, and a continuous turn knob, with multiple programmable settings for the rings (one looks like a good panning control, another volume, another trim maybe?). there are actually four groups of eight knobs, switchable with four buittons, and one group of knobs actually visible. each knob also doubles as a button that sends a note on/off on press/release (I think?) and has a pair of lit on/off buttons below it. Also there are some transport controls, learn functionality, and a number of factory presets for working with various daws. it also has plugs in the back for a sustain pedal and an expression pedal, a midi in, and two midi outs. The bcf2000 can do SO MUCH, I have had it for a month and have barely started looking into what it can do. It also broke on the way home when I first got it (I shoved it kind of ogrishly into an overpacked bike bag so I could bike it home), one of the fader buttons did not work. Then I moved to a new place, again shoving it kind of crudely into a bag for the move, and UNBROKE the damned thing, so now it is good as new. But it is a behringer, so I am treating it with kid gloves from here on. Both do exactly what they are designed to do, with minimum fuss (I have been writing custom software to use the bcf200 using preset 2 "generic mixer" preset, and have not tried using it with ardour yet, though I did find instructions for doing so online - I would be tempted to just make a pd patch or midish script to convert the output of the bcf2000 to something existing software can use, rather than learn it's arcane preset loading and editing procedure). Some company also made some cheap very tiny controlers, a drum pad, a set of sliders, and a keyboard, each under $50 (though I don't know anything about durability or how well they work). On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > I am interested in getting a midi controller with lots of knobs and sliders > for controlling soft synths, effects and my Roland Sonic Cell. The > keyboard I use doesn't have any controls but the keys (not even > pitch/modultation). > > I've been looking at the 2 octave keyboards from novation, m-audio, > behringer and roland specifically. I also like the korg nanoKontrol. > > Can anyone recomend something that works well with Alsa? Does anyone know > of any problems with using these through usb? > > Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From goemusic at yahoo.fr Mon Dec 15 02:22:42 2008 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (go music) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:22:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers In-Reply-To: <9e76fbda0812141856o58b1f2bke50678a746cf1fcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <711924.29365.qm@web26401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I recently got a nanoKontrol and it works flawlessly with alsa. Configuration of the attribution of the knobs in 4 programmable scenes is done using a dedicated utility which (fortunately) runs under wine. The documentation says if you want to use the advanced configuration of the knobs, you need to install a special korg midi driver, but I do not see anything that does not work using just alsa (and wine for the programming) :) It's a good compromise The making/finishing looks quite cheap so imho do not expect to survive spilling beer on it. cheers --- En date de?: Lun 15.12.08, Justin Smith a ?crit?: > De: Justin Smith > Objet: Re: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers > ?: tfric at learnkanji.ca > Cc: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > Date: Lundi 15 D?cembre 2008, 3h56 > I recently got an m-audio oxygen8 and a behringer bcf2000. > they both > work with alsa midi via usb, as simple as plugging them in, > no > configuration needed on my machine or the remote machine. > > The oxygen8 is about $100us new and has a two octave > keyboard with > large keys that have a nice feel, eight knobs, a > spring-return > pitch-bend wheel, and a mod wheel, and 6 midi transport > control > buttons, plus a midi out jack and a plug for a sustain > pedal. > > The bcf2000 (should be about $200us) has 8 motorized > continuous > controller sliders, which send a cc when moved, and move > when you send > a cc to it. it also has 32 virtual knobs, eight accessable > at a time, > also settable via cc, with an led ring indicator on each, > and a > continuous turn knob, with multiple programmable settings > for the > rings (one looks like a good panning control, another > volume, another > trim maybe?). there are actually four groups of eight > knobs, > switchable with four buittons, and one group of knobs > actually > visible. each knob also doubles as a button that sends a > note on/off > on press/release (I think?) and has a pair of lit on/off > buttons below > it. Also there are some transport controls, learn > functionality, and a > number of factory presets for working with various daws. it > also has > plugs in the back for a sustain pedal and an expression > pedal, a midi > in, and two midi outs. > > The bcf2000 can do SO MUCH, I have had it for a month and > have barely > started looking into what it can do. It also broke on the > way home > when I first got it (I shoved it kind of ogrishly into an > overpacked > bike bag so I could bike it home), one of the fader buttons > did not > work. Then I moved to a new place, again shoving it kind of > crudely > into a bag for the move, and UNBROKE the damned thing, so > now it is > good as new. But it is a behringer, so I am treating it > with kid > gloves from here on. > > Both do exactly what they are designed to do, with minimum > fuss (I > have been writing custom software to use the bcf200 using > preset 2 > "generic mixer" preset, and have not tried using > it with ardour yet, > though I did find instructions for doing so online - I > would be > tempted to just make a pd patch or midish script to convert > the output > of the bcf2000 to something existing software can use, > rather than > learn it's arcane preset loading and editing > procedure). > > Some company also made some cheap very tiny controlers, a > drum pad, a > set of sliders, and a keyboard, each under $50 (though I > don't know > anything about durability or how well they work). > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am interested in getting a midi controller with lots > of knobs and sliders > > for controlling soft synths, effects and my Roland > Sonic Cell. The > > keyboard I use doesn't have any controls but the > keys (not even > > pitch/modultation). > > > > I've been looking at the 2 octave keyboards from > novation, m-audio, > > behringer and roland specifically. I also like the > korg nanoKontrol. > > > > Can anyone recomend something that works well with > Alsa? Does anyone know > > of any problems with using these through usb? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 15 05:37:25 2008 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:37:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] optimal disk performance, ubuntu In-Reply-To: <007c01c95e39$b5080bc0$1f182340$@net> References: <007c01c95e39$b5080bc0$1f182340$@net> Message-ID: <1229337445.12682.80.camel@dhin> On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 17:17 -0500, Mike Mazarick wrote: > If anyone else has been down this road and knows of how to solve the > underlying issues (sata hard disk interrupts taking up too much PCI > bandwidth), I am still searching for an answer and I?m VERY interested > in hearing something from you. i didn't write the original version of this, but you might find it useful. use it as normal system startup script (how to do this varies depending on your distro, but probably involves /etc/rc.d/init.d) #!/bin/sh case $1 in start) setpci -v -s "*:*.*" latency_timer=b0 # Update this one with the device you want to optimize setpci -v -s 04:01.0 latency_timer=ff esac exit 0 From axax at email.it Mon Dec 15 05:54:43 2008 From: axax at email.it (axax) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:54:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling fst or dssi-vst under ubuntu 64 bit Message-ID: <1229338484.7197.2.camel@therion> Hi. I've tried to compile fst-1.8 and dssi-vst 0.8 under ubuntu 8.10 64 bit without succes. Anyone able to compile it under 64 bit linux? thanks Axel -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: CheBanca! La prima banca che ti d? gli interessi in anticipo. * Fino al 4,70% sul Conto Deposito, zero spese e interessi subito. Aprilo! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7918&d=15-12 From svoufff at free.fr Mon Dec 15 19:22:19 2008 From: svoufff at free.fr (svoufff) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:22:19 -0800 Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers In-Reply-To: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> References: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> Message-ID: <20081215162219.4dac7144@ours.domain.org> I got an M-audio Axiom25 some days ago.Works out of the box in Archlinux, showing in qjackctl as soon as you turn it on. Very cool device with 25 keys, 8 rotary knobs, 8 pads, pitch/mod, transport buttons etc..and a great backlighted lcd screen.For faders you would have to go to Axiom49 or 61. Le Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:30:45 -0800 (PST), tfric at learnkanji.ca a ?crit : > Hi, > > I am interested in getting a midi controller with lots of knobs and > sliders for controlling soft synths, effects and my Roland Sonic > Cell. The keyboard I use doesn't have any controls but the keys (not > even pitch/modultation). > > I've been looking at the 2 octave keyboards from novation, m-audio, > behringer and roland specifically. I also like the korg nanoKontrol. > > Can anyone recomend something that works well with Alsa? Does anyone > know of any problems with using these through usb? > > Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Mon Dec 15 07:27:15 2008 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:27:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling fst or dssi-vst under ubuntu 64 bit In-Reply-To: <1229338484.7197.2.camel@therion> References: <1229338484.7197.2.camel@therion> Message-ID: <20081215132715.458caa1d@sirius> On Mo, 15.12.08 11:54 axax wrote: > Hi. > I've tried to compile fst-1.8 and dssi-vst 0.8 under ubuntu 8.10 64 > bit without succes. > Anyone able to compile it under 64 bit linux? Works perfectly fine here on amd64 Gentoo. But if you don't post some error output here, it will not be possible to help you in any other way than saying "it does work here". Thomas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081215/1c6e8fde/attachment.pgp From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 07:42:49 2008 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:42:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers In-Reply-To: <20081215162219.4dac7144@ours.domain.org> References: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> <20081215162219.4dac7144@ours.domain.org> Message-ID: > > I am interested in getting a midi controller with lots of knobs and > > sliders for controlling soft synths, effects and my Roland Sonic > > Cell. The keyboard I use doesn't have any controls but the keys (not > > even pitch/modultation). > > > > I've been looking at the 2 octave keyboards from novation, m-audio, > > behringer and roland specifically. I also like the korg nanoKontrol. > > > > Can anyone recomend something that works well with Alsa? Does anyone > > know of any problems with using these through usb? > > If you just want the controls you might want a look at the Novation Zero SL, perhaps a bit more expensive but has plenty of pots and stuff. Has anybody got the Korg Nano working under Linux? I have an Oxygen8 that I carry around when traveling and as its for development rather than live work I would be very happy for something smaller. the Nano stuff looks like the business. Might go and try them out down at the local shop if nobody knows about interoperability. The NanoControl also has 9 faders, a top idea for Hammonds - 8 drawbars does not really cut it! 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From: axax Subject: Re: [LAU] Compiling fst or dssi-vst under ubuntu 64 bit Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:46:08 +0100 Size: 5722 Url: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081215/12c87ad8/attachment.eml From axax at email.it Mon Dec 15 07:58:25 2008 From: axax at email.it (axax) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:58:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling fst or dssi-vst under ubuntu 64 bit In-Reply-To: <20081215132715.458caa1d@sirius> References: <1229338484.7197.2.camel@therion> <20081215132715.458caa1d@sirius> Message-ID: <1229345905.7197.9.camel@therion> Il giorno lun, 15/12/2008 alle 13.27 +0100, Thomas Kuther ha scritto: > On Mo, 15.12.08 11:54 axax wrote: > Works perfectly fine here on amd64 Gentoo. > > But if you don't post some error output here, it will not be possible > to help you in any other way than saying "it does work here". > > Thomas The errors are: for dssi-vst (linker??) wineg++ -m32 -Ivestige -Wall -fPIC remotepluginclient.cpp -c -o remotepluginclient.w32.o wineg++ -m32 -Ivestige -Wall -fPIC remotepluginserver.cpp -c -o remotepluginserver.w32.o wineg++ -m32 -Ivestige -Wall -fPIC rdwrops.cpp -c -o rdwrops.w32.o wineg++ -m32 -Ivestige -Wall -fPIC paths.cpp -c -o paths.w32.o ar r libremoteplugin.w32.a remotepluginclient.w32.o remotepluginserver.w32.o rdwrops.w32.o paths.w32.o ar: creating libremoteplugin.w32.a wineg++ -m32 -Ivestige -Wall -fPIC dssi-vst-server.cpp -o dssi-vst-server -L. -lremoteplugin.w32 -lpthread dssi-vst-server.cpp: In member function ???virtual void RemoteVSTServer::hideGUI()???: dssi-vst-server.cpp:568: warning: unused variable ???fd??? dssi-vst-server-YxEjgb.o: In function `AudioThreadMain(void*)': dssi-vst-server.cpp:(.text+0x431): undefined reference to `__cxa_get_exception_ptr' dssi-vst-server-YxEjgb.o: In function `WinMain': dssi-vst-server.cpp:(.text+0x51dd): undefined reference to `__cxa_get_exception_ptr' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status winegcc: g++ failed make: *** [dssi-vst-server.exe.so] Error 2 and for fst: cp -a `find . | grep 'vstsdk[^/]*\$'`/source/common ./vst sed -i '/struct VstFileType\|struct VstFileSelect/,/};/d' vst/aeffectx.h winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags lash-1.0` -DHAVE_LASH -I. -o audiomaster.o audiomaster.c audiomaster.c: In function ???jack_host_callback???: audiomaster.c:119: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???floor??? winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags lash-1.0` -DHAVE_LASH -I. -o fst.o fst.c winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags lash-1.0` -DHAVE_LASH -I. -o fstinfofile.o fstinfofile.c fstinfofile.c: In function ???load_fst_info_file???: fstinfofile.c:36: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???malloc??? fstinfofile.c:47: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???free??? fstinfofile.c:76: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???free??? fstinfofile.c: In function ???fst_info_file_is_valid???: fstinfofile.c:139: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???free??? fstinfofile.c: In function ???fst_info_from_plugin???: fstinfofile.c:162: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???malloc??? fstinfofile.c: In function ???fst_get_info???: fstinfofile.c:220: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???free??? fstinfofile.c:246: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???free??? fstinfofile.c: In function ???fst_free_info???: fstinfofile.c:258: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???free??? fstinfofile.c:261: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ???free??? winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags lash-1.0` -DHAVE_LASH -I. -o gtk.o gtk.c winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags lash-1.0` -DHAVE_LASH -I. -o jfst.o jfst.c winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags lash-1.0` -DHAVE_LASH -I. -o vsti.o vsti.c vsti.c: In function ???queue_midi???: vsti.c:79: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type winegcc -c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags jack` `pkg-config --cflags lash-1.0` -DHAVE_LASH -I. -o vstwin.o vstwin.c vstwin.c: In function ???fst_load???: vstwin.c:480: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type winegcc -mwindows -o fst.exe audiomaster.o fst.o fstinfofile.o gtk.o jfst.o vsti.o vstwin.o `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0` `pkg-config --libs jack` `pkg-config --libs alsa` `pkg-config --libs lash-1.0` -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -luuid /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/liblash.so when searching for -llash /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/liblash.a when searching for -llash /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../liblash.so when searching for -llash /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../liblash.a when searching for -llash /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/liblash.so when searching for -llash /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/liblash.a when searching for -llash /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -llash collect2: ld returned 1 exit status winegcc: gcc failed make: *** [fst.exe] Error 2 Note: liblahs-dev is installed for fst, using vstsdk 2.3, for dssi-vst -> vstsdk 2.4 Thanks! -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? 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Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=8271&d=15-12 From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Mon Dec 15 08:02:24 2008 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:02:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling fst or dssi-vst under ubuntu 64 bit In-Reply-To: <1229345164.7197.7.camel@therion> References: <1229338484.7197.2.camel@therion> <20081215132715.458caa1d@sirius> <1229345164.7197.7.camel@therion> Message-ID: <20081215140224.36a7ecc1@sirius> On Mo, 15.12.08 13:46 axax wrote: > The errors are: > for dssi-vst (linker??) > > [...] > dssi-vst-server-YxEjgb.o: In function `AudioThreadMain(void*)': > dssi-vst-server.cpp:(.text+0x431): undefined reference to > `__cxa_get_exception_ptr' > dssi-vst-server-YxEjgb.o: In function `WinMain': > dssi-vst-server.cpp:(.text+0x51dd): undefined reference to > `__cxa_get_exception_ptr' It looks like you are missing libstdc++, or its -devel package. 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But unless you have a 32-bit single-core machine, it might be extremely hard to compile and make it work though. http://www.notam02.no/radium/ From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Mon Dec 15 08:38:43 2008 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:38:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling fst or dssi-vst under ubuntu 64 bit In-Reply-To: <1229347540.7197.12.camel@therion> References: <1229338484.7197.2.camel@therion> <20081215132715.458caa1d@sirius> <1229345164.7197.7.camel@therion> <20081215140143.2e1384b8@sirius> <1229347540.7197.12.camel@therion> Message-ID: <20081215143843.7505c1a6@sirius> On Mo, 15.12.08 14:25 axax wrote: > Il giorno lun, 15/12/2008 alle 14.01 +0100, Thomas Kuther ha scritto: > > On Mo, 15.12.08 13:46 axax wrote: > > > > > The errors are: > > > for dssi-vst (linker??) > > > > > > [...] > > > dssi-vst-server-YxEjgb.o: In function `AudioThreadMain(void*)': > > > dssi-vst-server.cpp:(.text+0x431): undefined reference to > > > `__cxa_get_exception_ptr' > > > dssi-vst-server-YxEjgb.o: In function `WinMain': > > > dssi-vst-server.cpp:(.text+0x51dd): undefined reference to > > > `__cxa_get_exception_ptr' > > > > It looks like you are missing libstdc++, or its -devel package. > > > > T. > > humm... i've installed libstdc++ and libstdc++-dev version 5 and 6. > i think the problem is not this. > Maybe dssi want another version? > i check this... > Maybe that doesn't include the 32bit one. 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I already have this packages installed... the problem seems to be another... maybe the number of versions of libstdc++...hummm -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: I pezzi pi? forti del momento sul tuo cellulare. Scarica ora! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=8270&d=15-12 From axax at email.it Mon Dec 15 09:14:49 2008 From: axax at email.it (axax) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:14:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling fst or dssi-vst under ubuntu 64 bit [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1229349689.7197.15.camel@therion> References: <1229338484.7197.2.camel@therion> <20081215132715.458caa1d@sirius> <1229345164.7197.7.camel@therion> <20081215140143.2e1384b8@sirius> <1229347540.7197.12.camel@therion> <20081215143843.7505c1a6@sirius> <1229349689.7197.15.camel@therion> Message-ID: <1229350489.7197.17.camel@therion> Il giorno lun, 15/12/2008 alle 15.01 +0100, axax ha scritto: > Il giorno lun, 15/12/2008 alle 14.38 +0100, Thomas Kuther ha scritto: > > On Mo, 15.12.08 14:25 axax wrote: > > > Maybe that doesn't include the 32bit one. Looking at the README in > > dssi-vst, it seems to be called gcc-multilib and g++-multilib on > > foobuntu. > > I already have this packages installed... > the problem seems to be another... > maybe the number of versions of libstdc++...hummm Problem solved i've created a symlink to version 6 of libstdc++ instead of 5 /usr/lib32$ sudo ln -s libstdc++.so.6.0.10 libstdc++.so thanks :) > > > > -- > Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > I pezzi pi forti del momento sul tuo cellulare. Scarica ora! > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=8270&d=15-12 > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Scegli Carta Eureka per tutti i tuoi acquisti! Con zero costi di attivazione avrai un credito fino a 3000 euro. Attivala ora! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=8428&d=15-12 From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Mon Dec 15 10:01:39 2008 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:01:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] how to manage expression control? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > confrey: >> >> Hi everybody, >> I wrote a few time ago about 'crescendo' in long notes, and I thank you >> for yours suggestes; now I'd like to know what's the finest mode to >> manage CC #11 : I've began to use Rosegarden, and I've seen in matrix >> editor I can define a lines to manage expression, but it works by big >> steps only, I'd like a better and smoothly effect; which sequencer >> software can I use? >> bye and thanks again >> > > E-Radium does this perfectly. But unless you > have a 32-bit single-core machine, it might be > extremely hard to compile and make it work though. > > http://www.notam02.no/radium/ > Sorry, Notam's homepage is down again, due to renovation. I don't have a back-up, but I'll put all my stuff on my homepage at the university instead as soon as I get hold of things. From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Mon Dec 15 12:10:50 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:10:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's "Gigsaw": 3d draft. In-Reply-To: <4936D8FB.3010904@free.fr> References: <4936D8FB.3010904@free.fr> Message-ID: <49468F9A.9020604@free.fr> Philippe Hezaine a ?crit : > You'll be able to see that some velocities doesn't correspond to the > Lilypond source. > Who is the culprit? > Is it me who pushes the Midi in an extreme way with 8 tracks on the same > channel? > Is it Lilypond which doesn't encode very well the CC7 on each track? > Is it Mididings which doesn't read very well the messages? > Don't be afraid, it isn't a huge issue at the present time. Hi all, It's my bad! Sometimes i must read the messages three times. Dominic Sacr? has given me the way of success. Here is the way: Open your lilypond's midi file in a sequencer. Change each track to a different number of channel, eg. Track One = channel One, Track Two = channel Two... etc... Save it. Run Mididings in a terminal. Re-open the resultant file in your sequencer. Change again the channels to 10. Save it. Et voil?! The transformation is perfect. You exactly get what you have written in Lilypond. Now we can dream all the accentuations we want to. I'm so glad! The first notebook is coming soon. Have fun. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From perodog at gmx.net Mon Dec 15 13:00:01 2008 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:00:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sonic Visualiser v1.4 want build here In-Reply-To: <587e90db0812120320m7ed46285l362db7d1c9159caf@mail.gmail.com> References: <587e90db0812120320m7ed46285l362db7d1c9159caf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49469B21.1070603@gmx.net> hallo, i just updated all the stuff cannam just announced ind the laa (vam-plugin-sdk, qm-vamp-plugins and dssi-vst) but now trying to buil the new version of sonic-visualizer, i get this error while running make: .... g++ -o sonic-visualiser tmp_obj/main.o tmp_obj/OSCHandler.o tmp_obj/MainWindow.o tmp_obj/PreferencesDialog.o tmp_obj/moc_MainWindow.o tmp_obj/moc_PreferencesDialog.o tmp_obj/qrc_sonic-visualiser.o -L../view -L../layer -L../data -L../widgets -L../transform -L../plugin -L../base -L../system -L../framework -L../audioio -L../rdf -L/usr/lib -lsvframework -lsvaudioio -lsvview -lsvlayer -lsvrdf -lsvtransform -lsvwidgets -lsvdata -lsvplugin -lsvbase -lsvsystem -lbz2 -lvamp-hostsdk -L/usr/local/lib -loggz -lfishsound -lvorbisenc -lspeex -lvorbis -logg -lmad -lid3tag -lz -lrubberband -lfftw3 -lfftw3f -lsndfile -lsamplerate -llrdf -lrdf -lrasqal -lraptor -lportaudio -lm -lasound -ljack -lrt -llo -Wl,-Bdynamic -ldl -lpthread -lQtXml -lQtGui -lQtNetwork -lQtCore ../audioio/libsvaudioio.a(AudioCallbackPlaySource.o): In function `AudioCallbackPlaySource::applyAuditioningEffect(unsigned int, float**)': AudioCallbackPlaySource.cpp:(.text+0x1fc): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::zeroTime' ../audioio/libsvaudioio.a(AudioGenerator.o): In function `AudioGenerator::mixNoteModel(NoteModel*, unsigned int, unsigned int, float**, float, float, unsigned int, unsigned int)': AudioGenerator.cpp:(.text+0x2350): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' AudioGenerator.cpp:(.text+0x23ea): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' AudioGenerator.cpp:(.text+0x247a): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' AudioGenerator.cpp:(.text+0x2662): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' ../audioio/libsvaudioio.a(AudioGenerator.o): In function `AudioGenerator::mixSparseOneDimensionalModel(SparseOneDimensionalModel*, unsigned int, unsigned int, float**, float, float, unsigned int, unsigned int)': AudioGenerator.cpp:(.text+0x2bbb): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' ../audioio/libsvaudioio.a(AudioGenerator.o):AudioGenerator.cpp:(.text+0x2c52): more undefined references to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' follow ../rdf/libsvrdf.a(RDFFeatureWriter.o): In function `RDFFeatureWriter::writeSparseRDF(QTextStream*, Transform const&, _VampHost::Vamp::Plugin::OutputDescriptor const&, std::vector<_VampHost::Vamp::Plugin::Feature, std::allocator<_VampHost::Vamp::Plugin::Feature> > const&, PluginRDFDescription&, QString)': RDFFeatureWriter.cpp:(.text+0xb62): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::toString() const' RDFFeatureWriter.cpp:(.text+0xc43): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::zeroTime' RDFFeatureWriter.cpp:(.text+0xc6e): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::toString() const' ../rdf/libsvrdf.a(PluginRDFIndexer.o): In function `PluginRDFIndexer::indexInstalledURLs()': PluginRDFIndexer.cpp:(.text+0x3254): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::PluginHostAdapter::getPluginPath()' ../transform/libsvtransform.a(TransformFactory.o): In function `TransformFactory::downcastVampPlugin(_VampHost::Vamp::PluginBase*)': TransformFactory.cpp:(.text+0x7a): undefined reference to `typeinfo for _VampHost::Vamp::PluginHostAdapter' TransformFactory.cpp:(.text+0xa0): undefined reference to `typeinfo for _VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper' ../transform/libsvtransform.a(ModelTransformerFactory.o): In function `ModelTransformerFactory::getChannelRange(QString, _VampHost::Vamp::PluginBase*, int&, int&)': ModelTransformerFactory.cpp:(.text+0x5b1): undefined reference to `typeinfo for _VampHost::Vamp::PluginHostAdapter' ../transform/libsvtransform.a(FeatureExtractionModelTransformer.o): In function `FeatureExtractionModelTransformer::addFeature(unsigned int, _VampHost::Vamp::Plugin::Feature const&)': FeatureExtractionModelTransformer.cpp:(.text+0xd8f): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::realTime2Frame(_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime const&, unsigned int)' FeatureExtractionModelTransformer.cpp:(.text+0x1000): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::realTime2Frame(_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime const&, unsigned int)' FeatureExtractionModelTransformer.cpp:(.text+0x1380): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::realTime2Frame(_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime const&, unsigned int)' ../transform/libsvtransform.a(FeatureExtractionModelTransformer.o): In function `FeatureExtractionModelTransformer::run()': FeatureExtractionModelTransformer.cpp:(.text+0x5e49): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' ../transform/libsvtransform.a(RealTimeEffectModelTransformer.o): In function `RealTimeEffectModelTransformer::run()': RealTimeEffectModelTransformer.cpp:(.text+0x894): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::frame2RealTime(long, unsigned int)' ../widgets/libsvwidgets.a(PluginParameterDialog.o): In function `PluginParameterDialog::setShowProcessingOptions(bool, bool)': PluginParameterDialog.cpp:(.text+0x7b8f): undefined reference to `typeinfo for _VampHost::Vamp::PluginHostAdapter' PluginParameterDialog.cpp:(.text+0x7bbf): undefined reference to `typeinfo for _VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o): In function `PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter::~PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter()': FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x1255): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::~PluginWrapper()' FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x1274): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::~PluginWrapper()' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o): In function `PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter::~PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter()': FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x12d5): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::~PluginWrapper()' FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x12ec): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::~PluginWrapper()' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o): In function `PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter::~PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter()': FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x1355): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::~PluginWrapper()' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x136c): more undefined references to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::~PluginWrapper()' follow ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o): In function `FeatureExtractionPluginFactory::getPluginPath()': FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x145a): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::PluginHostAdapter::getPluginPath()' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o): In function `FeatureExtractionPluginFactory::instantiatePlugin(QString, float)': FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x2aa5): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::PluginHostAdapter::PluginHostAdapter(_VampPluginDescriptor const*, float)' FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.cpp:(.text+0x2b49): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::PluginWrapper(_VampHost::Vamp::Plugin*)' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x10): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getVampApiVersion() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x14): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getIdentifier() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x18): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getName() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x1c): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getDescription() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x20): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getMaker() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x24): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getCopyright() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x28): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getPluginVersion() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x2c): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getParameterDescriptors() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x30): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getParameter(std::basic_string, std::allocator >) const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x34): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::setParameter(std::basic_string, std::allocator >, float)' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x38): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getPrograms() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x3c): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getCurrentProgram() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x40): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::selectProgram(std::basic_string, std::allocator >)' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x48): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::initialise(unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int)' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x4c): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::reset()' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x50): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getInputDomain() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x54): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getPreferredBlockSize() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x58): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getPreferredStepSize() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x5c): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getMinChannelCount() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x60): undefined refere nce to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getMaxChannelCount() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x64): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getOutputDescriptors() const' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x68): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::process(float const* const*, _VampHost::Vamp::RealTime)' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTV27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[vtable for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x6c): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper::getRemainingFeatures()' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(FeatureExtractionPluginFactory.o):(.data.rel.ro._ZTI27PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter[typeinfo for PluginDeletionNotifyAdapter]+0x8): undefined reference to `typeinfo for _VampHost::Vamp::HostExt::PluginWrapper' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(DSSIPluginInstance.o): In function `DSSIPluginInstance::getLatency()': DSSIPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x89): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::zeroTime' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(DSSIPluginInstance.o): In function `DSSIPluginInstance::runGrouped(_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime const&)': DSSIPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x5088): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::RealTime(int, int)' DSSIPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x520b): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::RealTime(int, int)' DSSIPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x5223): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::realTime2Frame(_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime const&, unsigned int)' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(DSSIPluginInstance.o): In function `DSSIPluginInstance::run(_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime const&, unsigned int)': DSSIPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x54a6): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::RealTime(int, int)' DSSIPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x576b): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::RealTime(int, int)' DSSIPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x5777): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::realTime2Frame(_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime const&, unsigned int)' ../plugin/libsvplugin.a(LADSPAPluginInstance.o): In function `LADSPAPluginInstance::getLatency()': LADSPAPluginInstance.cpp:(.text+0x81): undefined reference to `_VampHost::Vamp::RealTime::zeroTime' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [sonic-visualiser] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/vamp/sonic-visualiser-1.4/sv' make: *** [sub-sv-make_default] Fehler 2 nowhiskey at murija2:~/software/nove/vamp/sonic-visualiser-1.4$ any idea what is going wrong here? cheers, doc From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 15 16:25:32 2008 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:25:32 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: <20081215212532.1197291c@debian> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:07:58 +1100 "Loki Davison" wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Folderol wrote: > > After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own > > voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in > > September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job > > and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' > > song, so I persevered and here is the result. > > > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.ogg > > or > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.mp3 > > > > -- > > Will J Godfrey > > http://www.musically.me.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > This is really pretty damn good. Next time get somebody with a double > bass to do your bass line though. (hint: i've got a double bass) I > really like your voice too, very Leonard Cohen, which is a great > thing. Also has a hint of Nick Cave. SING MORE! > > :) > > Loki Thanks very much guys for your comments. I never like the sound of my own voice so this it a real boost. @Fons I've been using near-field monitors lately, so that probably accounts for why the bass is not so good. I finally got round to putting my domestic hi-fi back together this evening, so I can hear what you mean :( I don't work through ardour (it's a bit too complicated for me). I use Rosegarden to control everything, including audio tracks embedded in Rosegarden itself. @Loki I shall definitely bear this in mind. I'll be away at the end of the week, but I shall not forget :) Thanks again for your support. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk From mbs1303 at gmx.de Mon Dec 15 18:23:44 2008 From: mbs1303 at gmx.de (Matthias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nborn?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:23:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Bug: kernel or ardour related? Message-ID: <1229383424.9052.11.camel@X20> Well, the day before yesterday I built the fglrx-modules for linux-rt, but now each time I try to use ardour it disconnects after a few minutes with the message that jack disconnected ardour for not being fast enough. Each time my whole system hangs for a few seconds, and cpu load is reported to be "e+02", e.g. 100% in qjackctl. Now dmesg tells me: "[ 1950.955240] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1950.958786] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME" Well I guess I can live with that one. But later on it says something like "[ 2027.967536] ardour-2.7.1[7399]: segfault at 2e454467 ip b7e52000 sp b23cf3c0 error 4 in libardour.so[b7d1c000+294000]" and "... [ 2028.470312] [] sys_clone+0x33/0x40 [ 2028.470401] [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x2f [ 2028.470499] [] ? mca_attach_bus+0x0/0xb2 [ 2028.470610] ======================= [ 2028.470675] ---[ end trace 62a1b91e9bf810ea ]--- [ 2031.774685] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Shared offset:0, size:40000 [ 2031.776100] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:7fb7000, size:44000 [ 2031.777557] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:7ffb000, size:5000 [ 2093.323469] BUG: scheduling with irqs disabled: ardour-2.7.1/0x00000001/8051 [ 2093.323480] caller is rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 [ 2093.323484] Pid: 8051, comm: ardour-2.7.1 Tainted: P W 2.6.27-3-rt #1 [ 2093.323487] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2093.323491] [] schedule+0xf0/0x100 [ 2093.323495] [] rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 ..." Obviously ardour and fglrx don't get along. So is there any way to fix this? At the moment ardour is unusable for me, so I'd really appreciate any suggestions! Matthias PS: Revelant dmesg output: [ 13.254571] fglrx: module license 'Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY' taints kernel. [ 13.368037] [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 1898 MBytes. [ 13.368304] [fglrx] vendor: 1002 device: 5652 count: 1 [ 13.368694] [fglrx] ioport: bar 1, base 0x3000, size: 0x100 [ 13.368711] pci 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 [ 13.368716] pci 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 13.381017] [fglrx] PAT is enabled successfully! [ 13.381045] [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.54.3 [Oct 10 2008] with 1 minors [ 13.652936] ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' [ 13.697079] ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13 [ 13.697083] ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation [ 13.773382] ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.2kmprq [ 13.773386] ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation [ 13.773457] ipw2200 0000:03:07.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKE] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 [ 13.813042] ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection [ 13.813092] firmware: requesting ipw2200-bss.fw [ 13.920023] sdhci: Secure Digital Host Controller Interface driver [ 13.920026] sdhci: Copyright(c) Pierre Ossman [ 15.037210] input: Video Bus as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/device:01/device:02/input/input7 [ 15.049022] ACPI: Video Device [ATIM] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no) [ 15.596686] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio [ 16.078779] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input8 [ 17.025317] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 6.1, id: 0x2580b1, caps: 0xa04713/0x200000 [ 17.061419] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input9 [ 17.956908] ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: [ 17.956910] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work. [ 17.957233] ipw2200: Detected geography ZZD (13 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels) [ 17.957317] Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:03:09.0 [144d:c018] [ 18.079460] Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0098, PCI irq 11 [ 18.079465] Socket status: 30000006 [ 18.079468] pcmcia: parent PCI bridge I/O window: 0x5000 - 0x5fff [ 18.079471] cs: IO port probe 0x5000-0x5fff: clean. [ 18.079720] pcmcia: parent PCI bridge Memory window: 0xc8000000 - 0xc80fffff [ 18.079723] pcmcia: parent PCI bridge Memory window: 0x88000000 - 0x8bffffff [ 18.080107] Intel ICH 0000:00:1e.2: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKB] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10 [ 18.080132] Intel ICH 0000:00:1e.2: setting latency timer to 64 [ 18.409043] cs: IO port probe 0x100-0x3af: clean. [ 18.410820] cs: IO port probe 0x3e0-0x4ff: excluding 0x4d0-0x4d7 [ 18.411612] cs: IO port probe 0x820-0x8ff: clean. [ 18.412278] cs: IO port probe 0xc00-0xcf7: clean. [ 18.413103] cs: IO port probe 0xa00-0xaff: clean. [ 18.434016] AC'97 0 analog subsections not ready [ 18.995018] intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 50496 usecs [ 18.995021] intel8x0: clocking to 48000 [ 18.997405] sdhci-pci 0000:03:09.2: SDHCI controller found [1180:0822] (rev 17) [ 18.997428] sdhci-pci 0000:03:09.2: PCI INT C -> Link[LNKC] -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 5 [ 18.997522] mmc0: SDHCI controller on PCI [0000:03:09.2] using PIO [ 19.844731] lp: driver loaded but no devices found [ 20.118306] Adding 2048248k swap on /dev/sda6. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2048248k [ 20.656087] EXT3 FS on sda7, internal journal [ 21.733191] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds [ 21.733361] EXT3 FS on sda5, internal journal [ 21.733366] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [ 21.767181] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds [ 21.767298] EXT3 FS on sda8, internal journal [ 21.767301] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [ 22.046433] type=1505 audit(1229379635.457:2): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/Xsession" name2="default" pid=3942 [ 22.264715] type=1505 audit(1229379635.675:3): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf" name2="default" pid=3947 [ 22.264979] type=1505 audit(1229379635.675:4): operation="profile_load" name="/usr/sbin/cupsd" name2="default" pid=3947 [ 22.419114] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team [ 23.089069] ACPI: WMI: Mapper loaded [ 24.048557] warning: `avahi-daemon' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use) [ 24.120938] apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) [ 24.121735] apm: overridden by ACPI. [ 24.498527] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver [ 25.684028] Marking TSC unstable due to cpufreq changes [ 26.000037] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -175183327 ns) [ 45.266033] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [ 45.515302] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 45.701890] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.13 [ 45.702987] NET: Registered protocol family 31 [ 45.703154] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized [ 45.703321] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized [ 45.730257] Bluetooth: Generic Bluetooth USB driver ver 0.3 [ 45.732557] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb [ 47.773925] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.11 [ 47.774816] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized [ 47.823551] Bluetooth: SCO (Voice Link) ver 0.6 [ 47.824200] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized [ 47.853061] Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3 [ 47.853281] Bluetooth: BNEP filters: protocol multicast [ 47.885566] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized [ 47.886764] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized [ 47.887812] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.10 [ 47.898340] Bridge firewalling registered [ 47.899331] pan0: Dropping NETIF_F_UFO since no NETIF_F_HW_CSUM feature. [ 50.667327] NET: Registered protocol family 10 [ 50.669199] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions [ 52.303627] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [ 52.318962] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready [ 52.375261] NET: Registered protocol family 17 [ 53.343498] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Shared offset:0, size:40000 [ 53.345295] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:7fb7000, size:44000 [ 53.346741] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:7ffb000, size:5000 [ 78.999868] ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'WEP' [ 79.275223] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready [ 89.676029] eth1: no IPv6 routers present [ 1948.950197] ACPI: EC: missing confirmations, switch off interrupt mode. [ 1950.955240] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1950.958786] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1950.962482] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1952.955576] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1952.955826] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1952.955910] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1954.954997] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1954.955050] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1954.955134] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1956.950543] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1956.950572] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1956.950700] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1958.954524] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1958.954552] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1958.954635] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1960.950543] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1960.950571] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1960.950655] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1980.950507] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1980.951195] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1980.951851] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1982.955767] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1982.956461] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1982.958428] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1984.954906] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1984.958426] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1984.962088] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1986.954289] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1986.957806] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1986.961387] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1988.950792] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1988.950818] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1988.950898] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 1990.954315] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 1990.954340] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 1990.954420] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 2011.951078] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 2011.951772] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 2011.952490] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 2013.950320] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 2013.950935] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 2013.951870] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 2015.950548] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 2015.950574] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 2015.950654] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 2017.950357] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 2017.950382] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 2017.950462] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 2019.954313] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 2019.954339] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 2019.954421] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 2021.985907] ACPI Exception (evregion-0419): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20080609] [ 2021.985937] ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node f74284dc), AE_TIME [ 2021.986045] ACPI Exception (battery-0360): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20080609] [ 2027.967536] ardour-2.7.1[7399]: segfault at 2e454467 ip b7e52000 sp b23cf3c0 error 4 in libardour.so[b7d1c000+294000] [ 2028.458028] BUG: scheduling with irqs disabled: pam-foreground-/0x00000001/7449 [ 2028.458105] caller is rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 [ 2028.458109] Pid: 7449, comm: pam-foreground- Tainted: P 2.6.27-3-rt #1 [ 2028.458113] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2028.458117] [] schedule+0xf0/0x100 [ 2028.458120] [] rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 [ 2028.458123] [] __rt_spin_lock+0x4a/0x50 [ 2028.458127] [] rt_spin_lock+0x8/0x10 [ 2028.458130] [] free_hot_cold_page+0xaf/0x1b0 [ 2028.458135] [] free_hot_page+0xa/0x10 [ 2028.458138] [] __free_pages+0x2f/0x40 [ 2028.458141] [] free_pages+0x26/0x30 [ 2028.458144] [] pgd_free+0x5b/0x60 [ 2028.458149] [] __mmdrop+0x15/0x40 [ 2028.458153] [] finish_task_switch+0xb5/0xf0 [ 2028.458156] [] __schedule+0x34a/0x5e0 [ 2028.458160] [] ? check_preempt_wakeup+0x165/0x1c0 [ 2028.458163] [] preempt_schedule+0x72/0xa0 [ 2028.458166] [] wake_up_new_task+0x11d/0x130 [ 2028.458170] [] do_fork+0xf7/0x2a0 [ 2028.458173] [] sys_clone+0x33/0x40 [ 2028.458176] [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x2f [ 2028.458179] [] ? mca_attach_bus+0x0/0xb2 [ 2028.458183] ======================= [ 2028.458185] BUG: scheduling while atomic: pam-foreground-/0x00000002/7449, CPU#0 [ 2028.458248] Modules linked in: arc4 ecb crypto_blkcipher ieee80211_crypt_wep af_packet ipv6 binfmt_misc bridge stp rfcomm bnep sco l2cap btusb bluetooth ppdev speedstep_centrino cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats freq_table wmi sbs sbshc pci_slot iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables sbp2 parport_pc lp parport pcmcia joydev psmouse serio_raw pcspkr evdev snd_usb_audio snd_usb_lib snd_hwdep container video output snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec sdhci_pci ac97_bus sdhci snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm mmc_core yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic ipw2200 pcmcia_core ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt snd_seq_dummy fglrx(P) iTCO_wdt iTCO_vendor_support snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi snd_rawmidi battery snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq ac snd_timer snd_seq_device button snd soundcore snd_page_alloc intel_agp shpchp agpgart pci_hotplug ext3 jbd mbcache sr_mod cdrom sd_mod crc_t10dif usbhid hid sg ata_piix ata_generic pata_acpi libata scsi_mod ohci1394 ieee1394 tg3 libphy ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore dock thermal processor fan fbcon tileblit font bitblit softcursor uvesafb fuse [ 2028.458323] Pid: 7449, comm: pam-foreground- Tainted: P 2.6.27-3-rt #1 [ 2028.458325] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2028.458328] [] __schedule_bug+0x68/0x70 [ 2028.458331] [] __schedule+0x45f/0x5e0 [ 2028.458334] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2028.458337] [] ? show_trace+0x36/0x40 [ 2028.458341] [] ? dump_stack+0x70/0x77 [ 2028.458344] [] schedule+0x3c/0x100 [ 2028.458347] [] rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 [ 2028.458351] [] __rt_spin_lock+0x4a/0x50 [ 2028.458354] [] rt_spin_lock+0x8/0x10 [ 2028.458357] [] free_hot_cold_page+0xaf/0x1b0 [ 2028.458360] [] free_hot_page+0xa/0x10 [ 2028.458363] [] __free_pages+0x2f/0x40 [ 2028.458366] [] free_pages+0x26/0x30 [ 2028.458369] [] pgd_free+0x5b/0x60 [ 2028.458372] [] __mmdrop+0x15/0x40 [ 2028.458375] [] finish_task_switch+0xb5/0xf0 [ 2028.458378] [] __schedule+0x34a/0x5e0 [ 2028.458381] [] ? check_preempt_wakeup+0x165/0x1c0 [ 2028.458385] [] preempt_schedule+0x72/0xa0 [ 2028.458388] [] wake_up_new_task+0x11d/0x130 [ 2028.458391] [] do_fork+0xf7/0x2a0 [ 2028.458394] [] sys_clone+0x33/0x40 [ 2028.458397] [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x2f [ 2028.458400] [] ? mca_attach_bus+0x0/0xb2 [ 2028.458403] ======================= [ 2028.459026] ------------[ cut here ]------------ [ 2028.464161] WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-rt-2.6.27/kernel/sched.c:4829 __schedule +0x397/0x5e0() [ 2028.464301] Modules linked in: arc4 ecb crypto_blkcipher ieee80211_crypt_wep af_packet ipv6 binfmt_misc bridge stp rfcomm bnep sco l2cap btusb bluetooth ppdev speedstep_centrino cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats freq_table wmi sbs sbshc pci_slot iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables sbp2 parport_pc lp parport pcmcia joydev psmouse serio_raw pcspkr evdev snd_usb_audio snd_usb_lib snd_hwdep container video output snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec sdhci_pci ac97_bus sdhci snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm mmc_core yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic ipw2200 pcmcia_core ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt snd_seq_dummy fglrx(P) iTCO_wdt iTCO_vendor_support snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi snd_rawmidi battery snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq ac snd_timer snd_seq_device button snd soundcore snd_page_alloc intel_agp shpchp agpgart pci_hotplug ext3 jbd mbcache sr_mod cdrom sd_mod crc_t10dif usbhid hid sg ata_piix ata_generic pata_acpi libata scsi_mod ohci1394 ieee1394 tg3 libphy ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore dock thermal processor fan fbcon tileblit font bitblit softcursor uvesafb fuse [ 2028.468254] Pid: 7449, comm: pam-foreground- Tainted: P 2.6.27-3-rt #1 [ 2028.468367] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2028.468470] [] warn_on_slowpath+0x54/0x80 [ 2028.468569] [] ? free_pages_bulk+0x232/0x250 [ 2028.468686] [] ? free_hot_cold_page+0x12f/0x1b0 [ 2028.468805] [] ? free_hot_page+0xa/0x10 [ 2028.468915] [] ? kmem_cache_free+0x37/0x50 [ 2028.469051] [] ? __mmdrop+0x39/0x40 [ 2028.469157] [] ? finish_task_switch+0xb5/0xf0 [ 2028.469274] [] __schedule+0x397/0x5e0 [ 2028.469368] [] ? check_preempt_wakeup+0x165/0x1c0 [ 2028.470021] [] preempt_schedule+0x72/0xa0 [ 2028.470121] [] wake_up_new_task+0x11d/0x130 [ 2028.470222] [] do_fork+0xf7/0x2a0 [ 2028.470312] [] sys_clone+0x33/0x40 [ 2028.470401] [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x2f [ 2028.470499] [] ? mca_attach_bus+0x0/0xb2 [ 2028.470610] ======================= [ 2028.470675] ---[ end trace 62a1b91e9bf810ea ]--- [ 2031.774685] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Shared offset:0, size:40000 [ 2031.776100] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:7fb7000, size:44000 [ 2031.777557] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:7ffb000, size:5000 [ 2093.323469] BUG: scheduling with irqs disabled: ardour-2.7.1/0x00000001/8051 [ 2093.323480] caller is rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 [ 2093.323484] Pid: 8051, comm: ardour-2.7.1 Tainted: P W 2.6.27-3-rt #1 [ 2093.323487] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2093.323491] [] schedule+0xf0/0x100 [ 2093.323495] [] rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 [ 2093.323498] [] __rt_spin_lock+0x4a/0x50 [ 2093.323502] [] rt_spin_lock+0x8/0x10 [ 2093.323505] [] kmem_cache_free+0x21/0x50 [ 2093.323510] [] __mmdrop+0x39/0x40 [ 2093.323514] [] finish_task_switch+0xb5/0xf0 [ 2093.323518] [] __schedule+0x34a/0x5e0 [ 2093.323521] [] ? getnstimeofday+0x4b/0xf0 [ 2093.323526] [] schedule+0x3c/0x100 [ 2093.323529] [] do_nanosleep+0x7e/0xb0 [ 2093.323532] [] hrtimer_nanosleep+0x87/0x100 [ 2093.323535] [] ? hrtimer_wakeup+0x0/0x20 [ 2093.323539] [] ? do_nanosleep+0x6b/0xb0 [ 2093.323542] [] sys_nanosleep+0x60/0x70 [ 2093.323545] [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x2f [ 2093.323549] ======================= [ 2093.323552] BUG: scheduling while atomic: ardour-2.7.1/0x00000002/8051, CPU#0 [ 2093.323554] Modules linked in: arc4 ecb crypto_blkcipher ieee80211_crypt_wep af_packet ipv6 binfmt_misc bridge stp rfcomm bnep sco l2cap btusb bluetooth ppdev speedstep_centrino cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats freq_table wmi sbs sbshc pci_slot iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables sbp2 parport_pc lp parport pcmcia joydev psmouse serio_raw pcspkr evdev snd_usb_audio snd_usb_lib snd_hwdep container video output snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec sdhci_pci ac97_bus sdhci snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm mmc_core yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic ipw2200 pcmcia_core ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt snd_seq_dummy fglrx(P) iTCO_wdt iTCO_vendor_support snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi snd_rawmidi battery snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq ac snd_timer snd_seq_device button snd soundcore snd_page_alloc intel_agp shpchp agpgart pci_hotplug ext3 jbd mbcache sr_mod cdrom sd_mod crc_t10dif usbhid hid sg ata_piix ata_generic pata_acpi libata scsi_mod ohci1394 ieee1394 tg3 libphy ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore dock thermal processor fan fbcon tileblit font bitblit softcursor uvesafb fuse [ 2093.323628] Pid: 8051, comm: ardour-2.7.1 Tainted: P W 2.6.27-3-rt #1 [ 2093.323630] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2093.323633] [] __schedule_bug+0x68/0x70 [ 2093.323636] [] __schedule+0x45f/0x5e0 [ 2093.323639] [] ? printk+0x18/0x1a [ 2093.323642] [] ? show_trace+0x36/0x40 [ 2093.323646] [] ? dump_stack+0x70/0x77 [ 2093.323649] [] schedule+0x3c/0x100 [ 2093.323652] [] rt_spin_lock_slowlock+0x92/0x250 [ 2093.323656] [] __rt_spin_lock+0x4a/0x50 [ 2093.323659] [] rt_spin_lock+0x8/0x10 [ 2093.323662] [] kmem_cache_free+0x21/0x50 [ 2093.323665] [] __mmdrop+0x39/0x40 [ 2093.323668] [] finish_task_switch+0xb5/0xf0 [ 2093.323671] [] __schedule+0x34a/0x5e0 [ 2093.323674] [] ? getnstimeofday+0x4b/0xf0 [ 2093.323678] [] schedule+0x3c/0x100 [ 2093.323681] [] do_nanosleep+0x7e/0xb0 [ 2093.323684] [] hrtimer_nanosleep+0x87/0x100 [ 2093.323687] [] ? hrtimer_wakeup+0x0/0x20 [ 2093.323690] [] ? do_nanosleep+0x6b/0xb0 [ 2093.323694] [] sys_nanosleep+0x60/0x70 [ 2093.323697] [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x2f [ 2093.323700] ======================= From tfric at learnkanji.ca Mon Dec 15 18:44:12 2008 From: tfric at learnkanji.ca (tfric at learnkanji.ca) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:44:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers In-Reply-To: <9e76fbda0812141856o58b1f2bke50678a746cf1fcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> <9e76fbda0812141856o58b1f2bke50678a746cf1fcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the advice, I think I'll go with the Korg NanoKontrol for now unless I can find a cheap Oxygen 8. The Behringer bcf2000's overkill for me - I just need a few knobs for effects and synth parameters. If I'm going to spend that much I'd rather have a second keyboard than extra CC's. I found a good french site with a list of midi controls that work in linux: http://www.linuxmao.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Les+surfaces+de+contr%C3%B4le Les surface de controle fonctionnant sous Linux (liste non-exhaustive ? compl?ter par vos exp?riences) * Berhinger BFC et BRC 2000 * Evolution UC16 * Evolution UC33 * M-audio Oxygen 8 * M-audio Oxygen49 fonctionne sans probleme * Novation Remote25 * Vestax VCI-100 * Korg NanoKontrol (?diteur test? sous wine et ubuntu, aucun probl?me) * Akai MPD24 * KORG M3 reconnu en USB From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 20:31:35 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:31:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Bug: kernel or ardour related? In-Reply-To: <1229383424.9052.11.camel@X20> References: <1229383424.9052.11.camel@X20> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812151731u79145de7n681a319b5ada06e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: > Well, the day before yesterday I built the fglrx-modules for linux-rt, > but now each time I try to use ardour it disconnects after a few minutes > with the message that jack disconnected ardour for not being fast > enough. Each time my whole system hangs for a few seconds, and cpu load > is reported to be "e+02", e.g. 100% in qjackctl. Now dmesg tells me: > There are reasons the rt-kernel developers tell us not to use the ATI closed source driver. I suspect the problems you are seeing fall pretty much squarely in that domain. The fglrx driver is not (as far as we know) designed to be real-time safe. No one can tell you what it's doing internally that might cause a time delay and kick out Ardour, but it seems to be doing that. I'm curious as to why are you interested in using this driver on a platform running Ardour. Is this machine dual-purpose? I.e. - is audio a part time thing and you also do gaming, etc.? If you must do gaming I think you're better off to go with NVidia. I've got both here and have fewer problems with NVidia, but that's just my experience. Good luck, Mark From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Tue Dec 16 04:17:53 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:17:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's "Gigsaw": 3d draft. In-Reply-To: <49468F9A.9020604@free.fr> References: <4936D8FB.3010904@free.fr> <49468F9A.9020604@free.fr> Message-ID: <49477241.1080503@free.fr> Philippe Hezaine a ?crit : > Here is the way: > Open your lilypond's midi file in a sequencer. > Change each track to a different number of channel, eg. Track One = > channel One, Track Two = channel Two... etc... > Save it. > Run Mididings in a terminal. > Re-open the resultant file in your sequencer. > Change again the channels to 10. > Save it. > Et voil?! Hi all, I have an intuition. I'm pretty sure that all these operations can be written in one python script. But i'm not at all a dev. It's more within your reach than me. And perhaps there will be issues with the headers or the Control track on channel 1? I don't know. I'm just an intuitive sort. Have fun. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From perodog at gmx.net Tue Dec 16 05:22:46 2008 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:22:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sonic Visualiser v1.4 want build here In-Reply-To: <587e90db0812151340p55c1f5a9tb1ef8336acc79b2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <587e90db0812120320m7ed46285l362db7d1c9159caf@mail.gmail.com> <49469B21.1070603@gmx.net> <587e90db0812151340p55c1f5a9tb1ef8336acc79b2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49478176.2080403@gmx.net> Chris Cannam wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> any idea what is going wrong here? >> > > At first glance, it looks like you're linking against a pre-2.0 > version of the Vamp host SDK library. > > > Chris > > thanks chris, you were right! i obviously did not removed all the files from the older Vamp host SDK library install. now sonic is building and running properly! thanks a lot for the new release and cheers, doc From s.fielding at wmcce.org Tue Dec 16 05:39:42 2008 From: s.fielding at wmcce.org (Simon W. Fielding) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:39:42 -0000 Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers References: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca><9e76fbda0812141856o58b1f2bke50678a746cf1fcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <697862284F78FD46AA02FAF222954C092B7E97@hermodh.brm.wmcce.org> > Subject: Re: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers > > Thanks for all the advice, > > I think I'll go with the Korg NanoKontrol for now unless I can find a > cheap Oxygen 8. The Behringer bcf2000's overkill for me - I just need a > few knobs for effects and synth parameters. If I'm going to spend that > much I'd rather have a second keyboard than extra CC's. > > I found a good french site with a list of midi controls that work in > linux: > > http://www.linuxmao.org/tikiwiki/tiki- > index.php?page=Les+surfaces+de+contr%C3%B4le > > Les surface de controle fonctionnant sous Linux > (liste non-exhaustive ? compl?ter par vos exp?riences) > > * Berhinger BFC et BRC 2000 > * Evolution UC16 > * Evolution UC33 > * M-audio Oxygen 8 > * M-audio Oxygen49 fonctionne sans probleme > * Novation Remote25 > * Vestax VCI-100 > * Korg NanoKontrol (?diteur test? sous wine et ubuntu, aucun > probl?me) > * Akai MPD24 > * KORG M3 reconnu en USB > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user If it helps at all, I have a M-Audio Oxygen 49 which works fine. Also, a Korg Nanopad which works perfectly well, except that you need to run the Korg Kontrol Editor in wine to program the pad. Finally, tomorrow, I am collecting a Behringer UMA25S and I would happy to let you know how that works in a day or two if it would be useful. All of these are on FC8 with PlanetCCRMA and a 2.6.24 RT kernel. Cheers, Simon From lists at pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Tue Dec 16 05:48:29 2008 From: lists at pelvoux.nildram.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:48:29 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Bug: kernel or ardour related? In-Reply-To: <1229383424.9052.11.camel@X20> (from mbs1303@gmx.de on Mon Dec 15 23:23:44 2008) Message-ID: <1229424509.27061.0@ecrins> On 15/12/2008 23:23:44, Matthias Sch?nborn reported his system hanging for a few seconds, an ACPI related message and a subsequent segfault from running ardour with fglrx-modules on a rt kernel. In general, any complete hang indicates a bug in the kernel, one of the modules the kernel has loaded or data the kernel has imported (for example, ACPI tables). This is because an application, such as ardour, only runs when the kernel permits it to run and only has access to the memory the kernel has granted it access to. Sometimes a badly behaving application can expose a bug in the kernel that well-behaved applications do not and maybe the bad behaviour is a result of a bug in the application but the kernel bug is still there. In your case there are three things that all live inside the kernel memory that are potential suspects: 1. The fglrx modules. 2. The -rt patch 3. Your BIOS's APCI tables. It is possible, though harder, to change the APCI tables so I would start with the other two, i.e. try running ardour with: A non-rt kernel but with the fglrx modules. A rt kernel with whatever graphics card driver you can make work with your hardware that is part of the kernel rather than the fglrx modules, even if this is VGA or VESA mode. Even if it not very usable like that it will still prove the point. This may isolate one of the two as being at fault. If it works fine in both of those two combinations above but not when fglrx and rt are installed together then maybe the writers of fglrx made assumptions that don't hold true with rt, i.e. they are not compatible. If both of the above combinations show the same hang problem then maybe it is time to look at the ACPI tables. Regards, Steve. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 06:37:01 2008 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:37:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: <494792DD.9090603@gmail.com> Folderol wrote: > After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own > voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in > September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job > and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' > song, so I persevered and here is the result. Very nice! I like your voice and everything is very moody. The drums are the best I heard from you so far! I think the brass sound in the last "verse" is taking things in a different direction, though, I'd just leave them out if it was me. I only listened on laptop, so cannot comment on the boomy bass... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From luigi_curzi at yahoo.it Tue Dec 16 08:21:06 2008 From: luigi_curzi at yahoo.it (luigi curzi) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:21:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] small usb/midi controllers In-Reply-To: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> References: <2ff7aceaa80acf5cc129cc5fdd812b81.squirrel@mail.learnkanji.ca> Message-ID: <20081216142106.6241fa91@pozzaibe> Il giorno Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:30:45 -0800 (PST) tfric at learnkanji.ca ha scritto: > Hi, > > I am interested in getting a midi controller with lots of knobs and > sliders for controlling soft synths, effects and my Roland Sonic > Cell. The keyboard I use doesn't have any controls but the keys (not > even pitch/modultation). > > I've been looking at the 2 octave keyboards from novation, m-audio, > behringer and roland specifically. I also like the korg nanoKontrol. > > Can anyone recomend something that works well with Alsa? Does anyone > know of any problems with using these through usb? > i have a m-audio keyrig 25; it works fine and it is cheap. ciao Luigi -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Io sono lo sbaglio, il momento di confusione, l'inopportuno Non sono niente. Non sar? mai niente. Non posso volere d'essere niente. A parte questo, ho in me tutti i sogni del mondo. F. Pessoa ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* From mysthr21 at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 11:31:44 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:31:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : tons of delay of 5667.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 5298.000; restart ... Message-ID: <907c05c70812160831m79ecbf9bla908d38b4a6fd0b1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just bought a Native Instrument Audio Kontrol 1 Usb2 and I got some strange problems with it. I made some test. Some times it works perfectly, and other times I got this type of messages in qjackctl : delay of 5667.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 5298.000; restart ... It doesn't seem to directly affect the sound. I am running a 2.6.25.8-rt7 kernel with Jack-0.116.1 I don't really understand what happens. Some other times the sound become totally crappy. And the last strange behaviour I noticed is when I use PD. When I open some of my patchs, but not all, the audio connexions of my sound card disappear in qjackctl, jack is totally blocked and I can't kill it even with "killall -9 jackd" command. I have to reboot. I tried with a 2.6.26 kernel and it does the same. Any experience or hints to help me ? Thank you cheers, Mysth-R -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081216/34702bb2/attachment.htm From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 11:39:09 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:39:09 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Bug: kernel or ardour related? In-Reply-To: <1229413904.5984.6.camel@X20> References: <1229383424.9052.11.camel@X20> <5bdc1c8b0812151731u79145de7n681a319b5ada06e@mail.gmail.com> <1229413904.5984.6.camel@X20> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812160839i59886aa8v356b5e4300d2a6a5@mail.gmail.com> Matthias, Not sure if you meant to send this to only me or whether I got dropped on the LAU reply. anyway, responding with a copy back to the list. I've used the rt-kernel with the OS ATI driver for a long time. Works fine for me. I run 1280x1024 with my ATI RV300. (Radeon X300 PCIE) I'm not restricted to 800x600. - Mark lightning ~ # uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.24-rt1 #1 PREEMPT RT Tue Feb 5 07:03:44 PST 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux lightning ~ # lsmod | grep radeon radeon 118944 2 drm 85720 3 radeon lightning ~ # xrandr Screen 0: minimum 400 x 300, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024 default connected 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1280x1024 75.0* 60.0 1024x768 75.0 70.0 60.0 800x600 75.0 72.0 60.0 56.0 640x480 75.0 73.0 60.0 1280x960 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1152x768 55.0 832x624 75.0 416x312 75.0 400x300 75.0 72.0 60.0 lightning ~ # On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: > Am Montag, den 15.12.2008, 17:31 -0800 schrieb Mark Knecht: >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Matthias Sch?nborn wrote: >> > Well, the day before yesterday I built the fglrx-modules for linux-rt, >> > but now each time I try to use ardour it disconnects after a few minutes >> > with the message that jack disconnected ardour for not being fast >> > enough. Each time my whole system hangs for a few seconds, and cpu load >> > is reported to be "e+02", e.g. 100% in qjackctl. Now dmesg tells me: >> > >> >> There are reasons the rt-kernel developers tell us not to use the ATI >> closed source driver. I suspect the problems you are seeing fall >> pretty much squarely in that domain. The fglrx driver is not (as far >> as we know) designed to be real-time safe. No one can tell you what >> it's doing internally that might cause a time delay and kick out >> Ardour, but it seems to be doing that. >> >> I'm curious as to why are you interested in using this driver on a >> platform running Ardour. Is this machine dual-purpose? I.e. - is audio >> a part time thing and you also do gaming, etc.? If you must do gaming >> I think you're better off to go with NVidia. I've got both here and >> have fewer problems with NVidia, but that's just my experience. >> >> Good luck, >> Mark > > Well I suspected that, they even purposely removed the fglrx modules > from linux-restricted-modules-rt - Then there's no fix, I guess... The > only reason I installed this driver is, that otherwise I'm not able to > get a resolution higher than 800x600. I'd be much happier if I could use > the open source driver ati / radeon, but so far I had no success in > doing so. I don't need hardware acceleration, I just want to be able to > use something higher than 800x600, preferably 1400x1050... > > So, new question: Is there anybody on this list who uses the open ati > driver (xserver-xorg-video-radeon, Driver "radeon" in xorg.conf) with > linux-rt? Anyone? > > Matthias > > From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Dec 16 12:23:36 2008 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:23:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : tons of delay of 5667.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 5298.000; restart ... In-Reply-To: <907c05c70812160831m79ecbf9bla908d38b4a6fd0b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <907c05c70812160831m79ecbf9bla908d38b4a6fd0b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081216172336.GE28147@siel> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 05:31:44PM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > Hi, > > I just bought a Native Instrument Audio Kontrol 1 Usb2 and I got some > strange problems with it. > > I made some test. Some times it works perfectly, and other times I got this > type of messages in qjackctl : delay of 5667.000 usecs exceeds estimated > spare time of 5298.000; restart ... please always post your jackd commandline in such cases. > > It doesn't seem to directly affect the sound. I am running a 2.6.25.8-rt7 > kernel with Jack-0.116.1 > I don't really understand what happens. > > Some other times the sound become totally crappy. sound like your using an USB device with 2 periods/buffer. usb devices require 3 periods/buffer. At least with old alsa. I am beginning to have the feeling its fixed for newer alsa. seems to work ok, on a 2.6.27 vanilla kernel. -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From apmontgomery at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 12:48:16 2008 From: apmontgomery at gmail.com (Alex Montgomery) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:48:16 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Desparately seeking: a gui-less DAW In-Reply-To: <20081214115746.GA20161@siel> References: <49446CA8.80808@smiffytech.com> <49447C79.30601@free.fr> <20081214115746.GA20161@siel> Message-ID: > > > The idea is to translate MIDI clock to jack transport timing events. I > don't > > know how this is coming along, but it's higher on the midish list, than > > MIDI-syncing is on ecasound's. > > this cant work. jack-transport is running at the same speed as the > soundcard audio clock. All you can do, is stop it, and restart, at a new > position. But starting takes an undefined time in the presence of > slow-sync clients. > > An app that generates midiclock from jack-transport should be quite > trivial though. > If your midi hardware generates MMC messages, especially the "locate" mesage, then jackctlmmc will reposition JACK transport to keep your stuff in sync. Note that this isn't exactly the same thing as MTC, although they are very closely related. You might want to try running jackctlmmc with the "-v" option (verbose) on so that you can see if your device is generating recognized MMC commands. Jackctlmmc is still young yet, but it's current console-only incarnation seems perfect for your needs. -- Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081216/a2239760/attachment.htm From mysthr21 at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 14:35:41 2008 From: mysthr21 at gmail.com (Mysth-R) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:35:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] : tons of delay of 5667.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 5298.000; restart ... In-Reply-To: <20081216172336.GE28147@siel> References: <907c05c70812160831m79ecbf9bla908d38b4a6fd0b1@mail.gmail.com> <20081216172336.GE28147@siel> Message-ID: <907c05c70812161135qed27906vcd8aabd61ee4602e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/16 > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 05:31:44PM +0100, Mysth-R wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just bought a Native Instrument Audio Kontrol 1 Usb2 and I got some > > strange problems with it. > > > > I made some test. Some times it works perfectly, and other times I got > this > > type of messages in qjackctl : delay of 5667.000 usecs exceeds estimated > > spare time of 5298.000; restart ... > > please always post your jackd commandline in such cases. sorry, ... here it is : /usr/bin/set_rlimits jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p256 -n3 -S > > > > > > It doesn't seem to directly affect the sound. I am running a 2.6.25.8-rt7 > > kernel with Jack-0.116.1 > > I don't really understand what happens. > > > > Some other times the sound become totally crappy. > > sound like your using an USB device with 2 periods/buffer. > usb devices require 3 periods/buffer. > > At least with old alsa. > I am beginning to have the feeling its fixed for newer alsa. > seems to work ok, on a 2.6.27 vanilla kernel. > Well I don't know. Do you think this is an ALSA driver issue ? or is it the kernel ? > > -- > torben Hohn > http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- * *************************************************************************************** * {^_^} Mysth-R {^_^} * <= Aide Auditive => * * http://myspace.com/mysthr * http://myspace.com/aideauditive * http://mysthr.free.fr/Joomla => Site d?di? ? l'audio sous Fedora/PlanetCCRMA. * *************************************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081216/1fd42fd5/attachment.htm From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Tue Dec 16 15:22:01 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:22:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's Gigsaw: the first two notebooks Message-ID: <49480DE9.607@free.fr> Hi all, Here are the first two notebooks of the Gigsaw. http://superbonus.project.free.fr/spip.php?article44 Have fun. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From norv2001 at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 16 18:38:33 2008 From: norv2001 at yahoo.com.au (Norval Watson) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:38:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Higher resolution video with sync'ed stereo audio References: <20081214061727.GA28260@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <473261.66490.qm@web111311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Vimeo has a "Basic upload" option if you look for it hard enough :) Norv Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Dec 16 20:32:39 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:32:39 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Solved (I hope) Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <4945788B.5060708@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> <4945788B.5060708@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1229477559.5185.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 15:20 -0600, The Other wrote: > The Other wrote: > > Then I looked into the /etc/pulse/default.pa file, and went into the > > ### Load Audio Drivers section and put in this: > > > > load-module module-alsa-sink > > load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 One more caveat... the load of kernel modules is done now in parallel (if I understand things correctly so that the boot process is faster). That can have the unfortunate side effect that the order of the soundcards is not necessarily always the same... check the Planet CCRMA pages, there are instructions there on how to solve that. -- Fernando > > and commented out everything in the ### Automatically Load Drivers > > section so hal-detect wouldn't be used. > > > > > > That helped some. But now I think I understand what is causing my > > trouble. The motherboard sound chip is getting recognized as hw:0 > > (default), and the Audigy2 ZS is getting recognized as hw:1. > > > > I think RealPlayer 11 is using hw:0 as the output, hence it's getting > > kicked out on the motherboard speaker. In prior versions of ALSA, I > > remember a program called alsaconfig (or something close to that) that > > let you specify the order of your sound chips/cards. I would always > > set the Audigy2 to become hw:0. > > > > I need something like this for PulseAudio. Then some of these older > > sound programs which always use hw:0 would be using the Audigy2 > > instead of the motherboard. > > While trying to change the default sound card for hw:0, I looked at > the end of the /etc/pulse/default.pa file. There was a section > labelled ### Make Some Devices Default. This looked very promising. > > Somewhere in the PulseAudio documentation I thought I saw something > about being able to use the label for the hardware device. So instead > of saying hw:1,0, I tried using hw:[Audigy2] to specify the device. > > In the ### Load Audio Drivers Statically section, I modified my lines to: > > load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:[Audigy2] > load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:[Audigy2] > > Then in the ### Make Some Devices Default section, I added: > > set-default-sink device=hw:[Audigy2] > set-default-source device=hw:[Audigy2] > > Saved out and relogged in as a normal user. > > Serendipity! I had borked-up the PulseAudio Server so that it > wouldn't connect/initialize/start-up/whatever it does. I was no > longer at the mercy of PulseAudio! > > I then removed the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio RPM. Now ALSA is in > control of everything like it was before this upgrade to Fedora Core > 9. The motherboard speaker is silent, as it always should be. > > I can't run RealAudio 11 (I can configure it, but as soon as I tell it > to play an internet radio stream RealAudio immediately closes itself > and hides.) But I can still use Firefox to play the internet radio > stream, so I'm happy. > > The moral of this story: If PulseAudio is making your life miserable, > give it some default sinks and sources that don't exist. PulseAudio > will go away and give you some peace. > > Now, do I dare reboot this machine and find out that my method doesn't > really work? No way! > > Thanks All, > Stephen. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user From prthomas at toast.net Tue Dec 16 21:14:58 2008 From: prthomas at toast.net (pete thomas) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:14:58 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Solved (I hope) Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <1229477559.5185.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> <4945788B.5060708@sbcglobal.net> <1229477559.5185.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1229480098.7465.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:32 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 15:20 -0600, The Other wrote: > > The Other wrote: > > > Then I looked into the /etc/pulse/default.pa file, and went into the > > > ### Load Audio Drivers section and put in this: > > > > > > load-module module-alsa-sink > > > load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 > > One more caveat... the load of kernel modules is done now in parallel > (if I understand things correctly so that the boot process is faster). > > That can have the unfortunate side effect that the order of the > soundcards is not necessarily always the same... check the Planet CCRMA > pages, there are instructions there on how to solve that. > > -- Fernando I just installed FC9 10 days ago and the combination of /etc/pulse/default.pa additions and the dual sound cards fix on CCRMA seems to have made my computer workable with pulseaudio. Now I'll proceed to install the rest of CCRMA's goodies. Thanks so much for all your work, Fernando. pete thomas From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Dec 17 07:31:58 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:31:58 -0500 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081215212532.1197291c@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> <20081215212532.1197291c@debian> Message-ID: <4948F13E.7050702@woh.rr.com> Hi Will, Just a quick note to join the praise chorus. I liked the song, and I especially liked the vocal, it's indeed very Leonard Cohen-ish. Continue along this path for a while longer, please. :) Best, dp From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 17 09:04:21 2008 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (The Other) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:04:21 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Solved (I hope) Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <1229477559.5185.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> <4945788B.5060708@sbcglobal.net> <1229477559.5185.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <494906E5.7030402@sbcglobal.net> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 15:20 -0600, The Other wrote: >> The Other wrote: >>> Then I looked into the /etc/pulse/default.pa file, and went into the >>> ### Load Audio Drivers section and put in this: >>> >>> load-module module-alsa-sink >>> load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 > > One more caveat... the load of kernel modules is done now in parallel > (if I understand things correctly so that the boot process is faster). > > That can have the unfortunate side effect that the order of the > soundcards is not necessarily always the same... check the Planet CCRMA > pages, there are instructions there on how to solve that. > > -- Fernando I found your post of September 17, 2008 entitled [Fedora-music-list] sound card order in fc9. These are the instructions you are referring to? I'll check them out tonight. This may explain why my device=hw:[Audigy2] lines didn't work after a reboot. I changed it to device=hw:1,0 and that seemed to work. cat /proc/asound/cards currently shows: 0 [Audigy2] 1 [I82801BAICH2] But this may be a lucky selection of cards when I rebooted, as you're stating. Oh well, I thought I had this fixed. As I said, later tonight I'll go through your references. Thanks Fernando, Stephen. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 12:12:58 2008 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:12:58 -0600 Subject: [LAU] notation - slash notation Message-ID: hi everyone! I've got to crank out a few lead sheets in the next week for a gig coming up, and I thought it would be fun to use a notation program instead of doing it all by hand. I have two requirements: 1. I'd like to define my own chord names in the chord symbols, 2. I really really would like to use slash notation (also called rhythm notation?). do any of the current offerings do this? I've scoped out abc, but no mention of slash notation anywhere. I'm sure lilypond can do it, but the overwhelming complexity of that program scares me. any other suggestions? thanks, Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From mbs1303 at gmx.de Wed Dec 17 12:31:45 2008 From: mbs1303 at gmx.de (Matthias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nborn?=) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:31:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Bug: kernel or ardour related? Message-ID: <1229535105.5677.5.camel@X20> Finally I`m able to use linux-rt with the desired resolution again. The solution was to first remove any fglrx-driver. Then I fully deinstalled the linux kernels and xserver-xorg and then reinstalled those. Why didn`t I try that before?? Conlusion: I`ll never touch that fglrx driver again!! I guess either of the installation or deinstallation of the fglrx driver didn`t work properly and damaged some file or another. At least now I know that the fglrx driver definitetly doesn`t work with linux-rt. Anyway, thanks to everyone for your help!! Cheers Matthias From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Dec 17 13:15:53 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:15:53 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Solved (I hope) Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <494906E5.7030402@sbcglobal.net> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> <4945788B.5060708@sbcglobal.net> <1229477559.5185.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> <494906E5.7030402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1229537753.13234.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 08:04 -0600, The Other wrote: > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 15:20 -0600, The Other wrote: > >> The Other wrote: > >>> Then I looked into the /etc/pulse/default.pa file, and went into the > >>> ### Load Audio Drivers section and put in this: > >>> > >>> load-module module-alsa-sink > >>> load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 > > > > One more caveat... the load of kernel modules is done now in parallel > > (if I understand things correctly so that the boot process is faster). > > > > That can have the unfortunate side effect that the order of the > > soundcards is not necessarily always the same... check the Planet CCRMA > > pages, there are instructions there on how to solve that. > > I found your post of September 17, 2008 entitled [Fedora-music-list] > sound card order in fc9. These are the instructions you are referring to? http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/installplanetnine.html#SECTION00020500000000000000 -- Fernando > I'll check them out tonight. > > This may explain why my device=hw:[Audigy2] lines didn't work after a > reboot. I changed it to device=hw:1,0 and that seemed to work. > > cat /proc/asound/cards currently shows: > 0 [Audigy2] > 1 [I82801BAICH2] > > But this may be a lucky selection of cards when I rebooted, as you're > stating. Oh well, I thought I had this fixed. > > As I said, later tonight I'll go through your references. > > Thanks Fernando, > Stephen. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 17:50:53 2008 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:50:53 -0600 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio Message-ID: hi everyone! I'm *very* out of my league here, but I'm curious... I've been looking around at busybox, uClibc et al, and was wondering if anyone has tried to build an "embedded" device that supports some Linux audio software. For example, imagine taking a cheap/old pc, equipping it with jack and a synthesizer of some sort (dssi?), and taking it on a gig. It would need to be an "instant on/instant off" device. I think this sort of project would be fun and would also be a great use of old hardware, not to mention a real benefit for people who gig regularly and need the random synth (and don't want to spend the $ on hardware). Of course, not being a programmer, there might be some major obvious reason as to why it won't work that I'm not aware of. What do you all think? Is this idea worth looking into? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From garry.ogle at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 17 18:42:13 2008 From: garry.ogle at tiscali.co.uk (garry.ogle at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:42:13 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: Folderol wrote: > After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own > voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in > September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job > and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' > song, so I persevered and here is the result. > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.ogg > or > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.mp3 > I'd like to add my Yes vote! Monday morning, I was sitting at home, aching from the 'flu, desperately in need of a distraction from my discomforts. What's this? Will's done a song: Where Have The Rainbows Gone! I know how that feels! lets listen ... oh my. great song and real nice vocal. I like the close-up, intimate feel. But i guess what everybody liked - it made it for me - is the total honesty and sincerity of your performance. This is worth 1000 Pavarottis (or whoever) going through the motions. The guys are right, you should do more. And get Loki to do double bass. Two heads are better than one. And getting outside your comfort zone is not necessarily a bad thing, no? all the best, yours, sniffingly, Gaz. From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 17 19:12:30 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:12:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Best Live DVD for sound? Message-ID: Hello! what would you say, is the easiest and most user friendly linux live DVD/CD for experimenting with sound? It should be colourful and very GUI! :-) It's not for me... Kindest regards and thanks for any good advise Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Dec 17 17:57:30 2008 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:57:30 -0800 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081217225730.GA30205@zgp.org> begin Josh Lawrence quotation of Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 04:50:53PM -0600: > I've been looking around at busybox, uClibc et al, and was wondering > if anyone has tried to build an "embedded" device that supports some > Linux audio software. I saw this one at LugRadio Live in San Francisco: http://www.indamixx.com/ It has Ardour on it along with other stuff. -- Don Marti +1 510-814-0932 http://zgp.org/~dmarti/ +1 510-332-1587 mobile dmarti at zgp.org See you at OpenSource World: August 10-13, 2009 in San Francisco From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Dec 17 21:17:35 2008 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:17:35 +0700 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4949B2BF.2010001@boosthardware.com> Josh Lawrence wrote: > hi everyone! > > I'm *very* out of my league here, but I'm curious... > > I've been looking around at busybox, uClibc et al, and was wondering > if anyone has tried to build an "embedded" device that supports some > Linux audio software. For example, imagine taking a cheap/old pc, > equipping it with jack and a synthesizer of some sort (dssi?), and > taking it on a gig. It would need to be an "instant on/instant off" > device. I think this sort of project would be fun and would also be a > great use of old hardware, not to mention a real benefit for people > who gig regularly and need the random synth (and don't want to spend > the $ on hardware). > > Of course, not being a programmer, there might be some major obvious > reason as to why it won't work that I'm not aware of. What do you all > think? Is this idea worth looking into? > > I'm very interested in this idea also. Currently I have one of my colleagues working on getting Android onto our Arm platform. Is there any specific issue that you are encountering? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From guerrier at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 22:11:24 2008 From: guerrier at gmail.com (guerrier) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:11:24 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Best Live DVD for sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f3c44f00812171911x425662bcr1fb97b3e04130980@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > > Hello! > what would you say, is the easiest and most user friendly linux live DVD/CD > for experimenting with sound? It should be colourful and very GUI! :-) It's > not for me... > Kindest regards and thanks for any good advise > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user Try musix http://www.musix.org.ar/en/index.html http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05230 From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 17 22:31:08 2008 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (The Other) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:31:08 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Solved (I hope) Fedora Core 9, Planet CCRMA, and PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <1229537753.13234.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49411C56.2050904@sbcglobal.net> <20081211093930.11732a9d.jh@brainiac.com> <49426D2B.7060003@sbcglobal.net> <200812121731.53712.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <49432E53.5030401@sbcglobal.net> <20081213202141.f3591675.jh@brainiac.com> <494560AF.4050102@sbcglobal.net> <4945788B.5060708@sbcglobal.net> <1229477559.5185.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> <494906E5.7030402@sbcglobal.net> <1229537753.13234.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4949C3FC.4060300@sbcglobal.net> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >> These are the instructions you are referring to? > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/installplanetnine.html#SECTION00020500000000000000 > > -- Fernando oops, I always did make things harder for myself than necessary. Thanks the link, Fernando, Stephen. From gurusonic at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 07:15:48 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:15:48 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Best Live DVD for sound? In-Reply-To: <6f3c44f00812171911x425662bcr1fb97b3e04130980@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f3c44f00812171911x425662bcr1fb97b3e04130980@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494A3EF4.1090502@gmail.com> guerrier wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > >> Hello! >> what would you say, is the easiest and most user friendly linux live DVD/CD >> for experimenting with sound? It should be colourful and very GUI! :-) It's >> not for me... >> Kindest regards and thanks for any good advise >> Julien >> >> -------- >> Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) >> >> ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== >> http://ltsb.sourceforge.net >> the Linux TextBased Studio guide >> ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= >> http://www.juliencoder.de >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > Try musix > http://www.musix.org.ar/en/index.html > http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05230 > Second that. They've just released a new version - 1.0R6 From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Dec 18 07:07:43 2008 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:07:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: <494A3D0F.7040306@folkwang-hochschule.de> Folderol wrote: > After much prodding from {ahem} friends, I've finally recorded my own > voice on a song of mine. I originally composed it for a competition in > September, bottled it and got someone else to sing. He did a good job > and came up with some original ideas, but it still wasn't quite 'my' > song, so I persevered and here is the result. > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.ogg > or > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Where_Have_The_Rainbows_Gone.mp3 very nice song and performance. the sound of the vocals is really good. and now for the nitpicking :-D to me it sounds a little odd that the organ constantly plays "colla parte" with the vocals. in this composition, it makes some sense by adding a "droning quality" (in the positive sense) together with the way the same melody is used as an interlude. but generally i think your intonation is good enough that you could take some more freedom with the accompaniment in other tunes (and there is absolutely no dishonor in using a colla parte instrument during recording to help nailing the intonation and get rid of it in the final mix. what, me do such things? never!) the only thing i did not like was the synth syncopations at the end. they disturb the drone and don't add weight to the ending, only unrest. i could imagine the very same notes, but played a lot more laid back and maybe with a rhodes sound, to have a better effect. but then, nitpicking is always easy. thanks for sharing this song, and keep 'em coming! best, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 From julien at c-lab.de Thu Dec 18 07:51:25 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:51:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Best Live DVD for sound? In-Reply-To: <494A3EF4.1090502@gmail.com> References: <6f3c44f00812171911x425662bcr1fb97b3e04130980@mail.gmail.com> <494A3EF4.1090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! Thanks both of you. I recommended it! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From sh0099 at gmx.de Thu Dec 18 08:38:48 2008 From: sh0099 at gmx.de (sh0099) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:38:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? Message-ID: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is silent (i mean the fan). is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? maybe already linux tested? thanks olaf From fbar at footils.org Thu Dec 18 09:17:53 2008 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:17:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20081218141752.GB3659@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, sh0099 hat gesagt: // sh0099 wrote: > hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. > > the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is > silent (i mean the fan). > > is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? > > maybe already linux tested? Maybe take a look at the various Nettops that seem to be popping up lately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop Ciao -- Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__ From bradallenfuller at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 10:14:08 2008 From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:14:08 -0800 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> Message-ID: Maybe a computer here that fits your needs: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/ On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:38 AM, sh0099 wrote: > hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. > > the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is > silent (i mean the fan). > > is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? > > maybe already linux tested? > > thanks > olaf -- Brad Fuller From mauser at smoors.de Thu Dec 18 12:10:08 2008 From: mauser at smoors.de (Sebastian Moors) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:10:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <20081218141752.GB3659@fliwatut.scifi> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> <20081218141752.GB3659@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <494A83F0.3070004@smoors.de> Hi, Frank Barknecht schrieb: > Hallo, > sh0099 hat gesagt: // sh0099 wrote: > > >> hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. >> >> the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is >> silent (i mean the fan). >> >> is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? >> >> maybe already linux tested? >> > > Maybe take a look at the various Nettops that seem to be popping up lately: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop > > Ciao > The nettops are not comparable to the mac mini since they are (mostly) based on intel atom cpu's, which are very slow compared to an intel core2duo. But if just size matters, the asus eetop (or whatever it is called now) can be considered as an alternative (but comes without an optical drive). The MSI Wind Nettop for example (i've just installed one last week) is as twice as big as the mac mini but very affordable and includes a dvd-burner and big harddrive. If you're planing to use it for every-day audio work, you may want to consider a more performant solution, like the transtec senyo 610 (http://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/personal_computer/pc/mini_pc.html). This device an be delivered with Suse Enterprise pre-installed, so it can be considered as "linux tested" :) Btw, have you tried running a mac port of linux on your mac mini? I'm running debian here on an old imac and it is very performant (compared to OSX). - Sebastian From sh0099 at gmx.de Thu Dec 18 11:27:33 2008 From: sh0099 at gmx.de (sh0099) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:27:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <494A83F0.3070004@smoors.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> <20081218141752.GB3659@fliwatut.scifi> <494A83F0.3070004@smoors.de> Message-ID: <494A79F5.3040903@gmx.de> does anybody know if there are performance difference between the intel atom and the via ...7... processors? > If you're planing to use it for every-day audio work, you may want to > consider a more performant solution, like the transtec senyo 610 > (http://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/personal_computer/pc/mini_pc.html). > This device an be delivered with Suse Enterprise pre-installed, so it > can be considered as "linux tested" :) > > yes i where looking before for this company because i thought i would need a fanless computer ... but now i think i just need a normal quiet computer ... the only thing is that the competitors to apple seam to be more expensive. but thanks for the suggestions > Btw, have you tried running a mac port of linux on your mac mini? I'm > running debian here on an old imac and it is very performant (compared > to OSX). > on the intel macs i just run a normal linux. but i did not test it so much so i dont know anything if everything is perfect. p.s.: i have an old ibook where it is impossible to use a firewire soundcard do you think it would be possible to use it with linux and ffado did anybody try to compile ffado on a ppc? From sh0099 at gmx.de Thu Dec 18 11:36:09 2008 From: sh0099 at gmx.de (sh0099) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:36:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <494A79F5.3040903@gmx.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> <20081218141752.GB3659@fliwatut.scifi> <494A83F0.3070004@smoors.de> <494A79F5.3040903@gmx.de> Message-ID: <494A7BF9.8040008@gmx.de> oh i think the transtec has a ok price ... but does anybody know something about the fan - noise of these? thanks olaf sh0099 schrieb: > >> If you're planing to use it for every-day audio work, you may want to >> consider a more performant solution, like the transtec senyo 610 >> (http://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/personal_computer/pc/mini_pc.html). >> This device an be delivered with Suse Enterprise pre-installed, so it >> can be considered as "linux tested" :) >> >> >> > yes i where looking before for this company because i thought i would > need a fanless computer ... but now i think i just need a normal quiet > computer ... > the only thing is that the competitors to apple seam to be more expensive. > but thanks for the suggestions > From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Thu Dec 18 11:59:05 2008 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:59:05 -0600 Subject: [LAU] notation - slash notation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229619545.16577.1.camel@jjbenham-laptop> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 11:12 -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > hi everyone! > > I've got to crank out a few lead sheets in the next week for a gig > coming up, and I thought it would be fun to use a notation program > instead of doing it all by hand. I have two requirements: > > 1. I'd like to define my own chord names in the chord symbols, denemo can do that. > 2. I really really would like to use slash notation (also called > rhythm notation?). If you show me an example lilypond I can put that feature into denemo. Jeremiah > > do any of the current offerings do this? I've scoped out abc, but no > mention of slash notation anywhere. I'm sure lilypond can do it, but > the overwhelming complexity of that program scares me. any other > suggestions? > > thanks, > > Josh > From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Thu Dec 18 12:48:13 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:48:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's Gigsaw: CHA-CHA-CHA patterns. Message-ID: <494A8CDD.1030803@free.fr> Hi all, Here is the third notebook alone which contains some Cha-cha-cha patterns: http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article39 I get a move on, guys! As you have been feeling, may be, i wasn't entirely confident with the velocities yet, especially in the Reggae patterns. Now i'm sure 100%. I'll update later. As for me i write all the patterns from 64th up to 8th notes. But it's really possible to use all the durations without an overlap of velocities. The difficult thing is the volume of instruments between each other, in others words the mix. If you use samples you can tweak each track, but it will be a good thing to find a well balanced patterns in midi. Any feedback on this? And perhaps we can manage a friendly challenge of the "best patterns of the month" on linux-audio? But who should be the maintainer? My English isn't sure at all and i'm too busy for that. Have fun. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From forest at alittletooquiet.net Thu Dec 18 12:57:44 2008 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:57:44 -0500 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20081218175744.GD25442@storm.local.network> Hi, On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 02:38:48PM +0100, sh0099 wrote: > hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. > > the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is > silent (i mean the fan). > > is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? > > maybe already linux tested? http://www.logicsupply.com/blog/2008/10/10/introducing-the-all-new-fanless-core-2-duo-system-the-gs-l10/ http://www.logicsupply.com/products/cd_gs_l10 And you can even get Ubuntu 8.10 pre-installed. Disclosure: I work for Logic Supply. -Forest -- Forest Bond http://www.alittletooquiet.net http://www.pytagsfs.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081218/eb3d9bce/attachment.pgp From wirelessdreamer at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 13:18:06 2008 From: wirelessdreamer at gmail.com (Nathanael Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:18:06 -0600 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio Message-ID: A major issue that you'll run into is Jack support. All information i've seen is that the rt patches haven't been ported to arm, so you'll experience alot of xruns, and not be able to get very low latency. if you want a portable device for audio, you'll probably want to get an atom based mid, and tweak it. Nathanael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081218/a78fd0c2/attachment.htm From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Dec 18 13:38:52 2008 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:38:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6:18:06 pm 12/18/08 "Nathanael Anderson" wrote: > > A major issue that you'll run into is Jack support. All > information i've seen is that the rt patches haven't been > ported to arm, so you'll experience alot of xruns, and not be able > to get very low latency. if you want a portable device for audio, > you'll probably want to get an atom based mid, and tweak it. > Nathanael > This is an important consideration for real time operations. What I am particularly interested in is netjack on ARM but I can sacrifice realtime for my specific needs... At the moment I just want to get Android up and running so I can tweak it from there. A it can now also be installed on the iphone (at least in console mode) it has the potential to make a great future proofed platform. The Atom platform looks like it will be more viable in the near future with Ion looking like a very serious breakthrough if Nvidia can make sure they don't F up the gpu drivers for Linux, if they even release them as I'm sure they won't be FOSS for a while. I am also in the process of experimenting with the VIA pico/nano-itx systems. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From sed at free.fr Thu Dec 18 13:48:24 2008 From: sed at free.fr (Cedric Roux) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:48:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] notation - slash notation In-Reply-To: <1229619545.16577.1.camel@jjbenham-laptop> References: <1229619545.16577.1.camel@jjbenham-laptop> Message-ID: <1229626104.494a9af893778@imp.free.fr> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 11:12 -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > hi everyone! > > I've got to crank out a few lead sheets in the next week for a gig > coming up, and I thought it would be fun to use a notation program > instead of doing it all by hand. I have two requirements: > > 1. I'd like to define my own chord names in the chord symbols, > 2. I really really would like to use slash notation (also called > rhythm notation?). No one mentioned nted. I think it does what you need. http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/staff/jan/nted/nted.xhtml From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Dec 18 13:52:37 2008 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:52:37 +0000 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <20081218175744.GD25442@storm.local.network> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> <20081218175744.GD25442@storm.local.network> Message-ID: <6bd1572694b1bf11dfce2ce1b14bdb4b@> On 5:57:44 pm 12/18/08 Forest Bond wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 02:38:48PM +0100, sh0099 wrote: > > hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. > > > > the good thing about this computer is the size and that the > > computer is silent (i mean the fan). > > > > is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar > > silent? > > maybe already linux tested? > > http://www.logicsupply.com/blog/2008/10/10/introducing-the-all-new-fan > less-core-2-duo-system-the-gs-l10/ > http://www.logicsupply.com/products/cd_gs_l10 > Hey, This is an excellent solution. Thanks for the links... I'll contact you off list about getting hold of a kit. Cheers. > And you can even get Ubuntu 8.10 pre-installed. > > Disclosure: I work for Logic Supply. > > -Forest > -- > Forest Bond > http://www.alittletooquiet.net > http://www.pytagsfs.org > From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 14:23:28 2008 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:23:28 -0600 Subject: [LAU] notation - slash notation In-Reply-To: <1229626104.494a9af893778@imp.free.fr> References: <1229619545.16577.1.camel@jjbenham-laptop> <1229626104.494a9af893778@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Cedric Roux wrote: > No one mentioned nted. > I think it does what you need. > http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/staff/jan/nted/nted.xhtml yes, this looks perfect for my needs. thank you! -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From gurusonic at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 17:29:57 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:29:57 +1100 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> Message-ID: <494ACEE5.1000900@gmail.com> sh0099 wrote: > hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. > > the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is > silent (i mean the fan). > > is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? > > maybe already linux tested? > > thanks > olaf Maybe http://www.linutop.com/linutop2/linutop2.en.html It's 800mhz and Linux and cheap and cute. Also very new so don't know if anyone has tried it for audio yet. From bradallenfuller at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 18:49:49 2008 From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:49:49 -0800 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: <6739617440554370182@unknownmsgid> References: <6739617440554370182@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > On 6:18:06 pm 12/18/08 "Nathanael Anderson" > > At the moment I just want to get Android up and running so I can tweak it > from there. A it can now also be installed on the iphone (at least in > console mode) it has the potential to make a great future proofed platform. I'm wondering why you want to use Android. It isn't the complete Linux platform. What I mean is that while it includes the Linux kernel, it doesn't include glibc (for instance). Why not just use the complete gnu toolchain for arm? That would seem to be your better choice. So, you must have some other goal? -- Brad Fuller From eric.steinberg at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 23:08:37 2008 From: eric.steinberg at gmail.com (Eric Steinberg) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:08:37 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux In-Reply-To: <4915A4CE.1090903@gmail.com> References: <4915A4CE.1090903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a7c3a4b0812182008w5dc028ccx5839eef97d09ed71@mail.gmail.com> Atte, that's beautiful. I really like it. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I placed a new track "Stille hvisken" ("Quiet whisper") here: > > http://modlys.dk/mp3/stille_hvisken.mp3 > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Happy Holidays, Mark From frankpirrone at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 00:36:43 2008 From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:36:43 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0812182104v219e39bat20e4b193dca44290@mail.gmail.com> References: <4915A4CE.1090903@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0812182104v219e39bat20e4b193dca44290@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494B32EB.8090803@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> Hi >> >> I placed a new track "Stille hvisken" ("Quiet whisper") here: >> >> http://modlys.dk/mp3/stille_hvisken.mp3 >> >> -- >> Atte >> > > Atte, > This is a lovely piece of music. You have nothing to worry about at > all. The vocals fit well. The song construction is interesting all the > way through as far as I'm concerned. Putting on my play list of > favorite LAU pieces. One of my favorites in quite a while. > > Thanks for sharing! > > Happy Holidays, > Mark Been busy Atte and just listened to this piece - beautiful! What Mark said - a very well constructed and performed piece. Nice recording values all around, balance, mix, etc. Lovely minimalist melody and vocal, haunting...nice work Atte! Frank -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklLMusACgkQhIzUKCTXcU2DYgCg3IBzHB17popY7gjk4LgjfKNP PgsAniPJzP4VMSuGMXJzGFnh3N5olIyP =b99E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nescivi at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 00:40:17 2008 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:40:17 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Livecoding in The Hague - Monday, December 22 Message-ID: <888384e60812182140p347540ffhdfc1ac336958b00@mail.gmail.com> Hiho, Monday evening, December 22nd, I will be doing a little SuperCollider (on Linux) livecode session, in The Hague, Cafe De Vinger (close to the Stadhuis and Public Library). There will be lots of other interesting music going on by two of my favorite DJ's (both from The Hague) and analog electronic blippo-box improvisation (the evening is curated by Kassen). sincerely, Marije From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Dec 19 01:27:35 2008 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:27:35 +0700 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: References: <6739617440554370182@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <494B3ED7.4060003@boosthardware.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Patrick Shirkey > wrote: > >> On 6:18:06 pm 12/18/08 "Nathanael Anderson" >> >> At the moment I just want to get Android up and running so I can tweak it >> from there. A it can now also be installed on the iphone (at least in >> console mode) it has the potential to make a great future proofed platform. >> > > I'm wondering why you want to use Android. It isn't the complete Linux > platform. What I mean is that while it includes the Linux kernel, it > doesn't include glibc (for instance). Why not just use the complete > gnu toolchain for arm? That would seem to be your better choice. So, > you must have some other goal? > I didn't realise that it was missing glibc. That's a major drawback. The main incentive behind using Android is that the dev platform integrated pretty nicely which makes it a lot easier to work with. I have looked into a couple of other options but it's hard to get into them. If you have any suggestions I would love to know about them. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From bjornw at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 04:03:17 2008 From: bjornw at gmail.com (Bjorn Westergard) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:03:17 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux In-Reply-To: <494B32EB.8090803@gmail.com> References: <4915A4CE.1090903@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0812182104v219e39bat20e4b193dca44290@mail.gmail.com> <494B32EB.8090803@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is great, reminds me of Miho Hatori (her album Ecdysis) and Trentemoller (the track Miss You). How did you synthesis the percussive pure-ish tone bits? On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM, frank pirrone wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen > wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I placed a new track "Stille hvisken" ("Quiet whisper") here: > >> > >> http://modlys.dk/mp3/stille_hvisken.mp3 > >> > >> -- > >> Atte > >> > > > > Atte, > > This is a lovely piece of music. You have nothing to worry about at > > all. The vocals fit well. The song construction is interesting all the > > way through as far as I'm concerned. Putting on my play list of > > favorite LAU pieces. One of my favorites in quite a while. > > > > Thanks for sharing! > > > > Happy Holidays, > > Mark > Been busy Atte and just listened to this piece - beautiful! What Mark > said - a very well constructed and performed piece. Nice recording > values all around, balance, mix, etc. Lovely minimalist melody and > vocal, haunting...nice work Atte! > > Frank > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAklLMusACgkQhIzUKCTXcU2DYgCg3IBzHB17popY7gjk4LgjfKNP > PgsAniPJzP4VMSuGMXJzGFnh3N5olIyP > =b99E > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081219/22298322/attachment.htm From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Dec 19 05:37:20 2008 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:37:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200812191137.20458.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Josh Lawrence wrote: > hi everyone! > > I'm *very* out of my league here, but I'm curious... > > I've been looking around at busybox, uClibc et al, and was wondering > if anyone has tried to build an "embedded" device that supports some > Linux audio software. For example, imagine taking a cheap/old pc, > equipping it with jack and a synthesizer of some sort (dssi?), and > taking it on a gig. It would need to be an "instant on/instant off" > device. I think this sort of project would be fun and would also be a > great use of old hardware, not to mention a real benefit for people > who gig regularly and need the random synth (and don't want to spend > the $ on hardware). > > Of course, not being a programmer, there might be some major obvious > reason as to why it won't work that I'm not aware of. What do you all > think? Is this idea worth looking into? Hi, i'm planning to build my own guitar multieffects box, since i looked at all the ones available and they all sucked, since there's no way to customize/extend what's already packaged [well, they have some nice stuff in there, but ultimately i want to experiment with, erm, unusual stuff]... I searched and searched, looked at Blackfin, AVR, and other DSP/embedded stuff and finally came to the conclusion that an Intel Atom board [mini - itx] with a tight fit case (18x24x5cm) is what i want. I will need some extra hardware, like an IO board for adding switches and swellers. I was thinking about using an Arduino for this, especially as i still have one lying around here. Also i need a way to get the guitar signal to line level, and back to guitar level. I have a friend who's good with electronics, so he'll build a little preamp for me. I don't need a harddisk. I think a 32Gig USB stick will be totally fine which will get attached to one of the internal USB connectors. My choice of program for creating the effects will be ingen, due to its nice remote controllability via OSC (so i can write a little program or even just a script that listens on the virtual serial ports representing the Arduino's IO and fire off the nessecary OSC commands to ingen). But hey, it will be a standard linux (though i guess i will compile a custom kernel withouth initrd and all nessecary modules built in and a very stripped down selection of sercices) so everything goes. The CPU isn't nowhere as powerful as a modern desktop CPU, but it will be enough for the experimental stuff i have in mind. It does have a fan though, but whether that will be needed or not depends on the load on the system.. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081219/bcc0e88a/attachment.htm From cmlgzlc at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 10:07:45 2008 From: cmlgzlc at gmail.com (Cemal GAZALCI) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:07:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Echo Layla 3G... Message-ID: <21088214.post@talk.nabble.com> When you think everything is ok, but you get the handshake timeout "error -5", please check once again if the box is connected to the card. Cemal izlem Gozukeles wrote: > > Brad Fuller writes: > > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Preston C. wrote: >> >>> > > I am eventually going to get a new computer and was wondering if >>> this >>> > > was a good sound card? Is there a better sound card around the same >>> > > price or less? Any help is much appreciated. >>> >> > >> > I have the Echo 3G and it has worked well. I've only recorded/played >> > back 4 channels simul - I haven't done anything fancy. But, it seems >> > to work as advertised. I haven't tested their advertised specs. >> > >> > We also have Echo 3G, but it didn't work. We have error: > [ 1326.803139] firmware: requesting ea/echo3g_dsp.fw > [ 1326.825403] firmware: requesting ea/3g_asic.fw > [ 1327.995014] wait_handshake(): Timeout waiting for DSP > [ 1328.017190] wait_handshake(): Timeout waiting for DSP > [ 1328.033190] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:05:09.0 disabled > [ 1328.033190] Echoaudio Echo3G: probe of 0000:05:09.0 failed with error > -5 > > > What is your GNU/Linux distribution? > Kernel version? > Alsa version? > Are there any tricks for install? > > Thanks > > > > > > begin:vcard > fn;quoted-printable:ibrahim izlem G=C3=96Z=C3=9CKELE=C5=9E > n;quoted-printable:G=C3=96Z=C3=9CKELE=C5=9E;ibrahim izlem > version:2.1 > end:vcard > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Echo-Layla-3G...-tp20353474p21088214.html Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nescivi at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 10:43:23 2008 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:43:23 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Livecoding in The Hague - Monday, December 22 In-Reply-To: <888384e60812182140p347540ffhdfc1ac336958b00@mail.gmail.com> References: <888384e60812182140p347540ffhdfc1ac336958b00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <888384e60812190743w6bf9be17nf2d2b5398c261b2f@mail.gmail.com> Oh, dear, I forgot to mention it starts at 8pm, and I think we need to be out by like midnight or 1am or so (whatever the closing times in The Hague are these days...) And Kassen ("not so much a curator as I'm like the mice dancing on the table when the cat's away from home") added: 2? at the door but that'll get you a free beer if you're in early. sincerely, Marije On 12/19/08, nescivi wrote: > Hiho, > > Monday evening, December 22nd, I will be doing a little SuperCollider > (on Linux) livecode session, in The Hague, Cafe De Vinger (close to > the Stadhuis and Public Library). > There will be lots of other interesting music going on by two of my > favorite DJ's (both from The Hague) and analog electronic blippo-box > improvisation (the evening is curated by Kassen). > > sincerely, > Marije > From bradallenfuller at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 11:12:43 2008 From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:12:43 -0800 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: <200812191137.20458.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200812191137.20458.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Florian Schmidt wrote: > I searched and searched, looked at Blackfin, AVR, and other DSP/embedded > stuff and finally came to the conclusion that an Intel Atom board [mini - > itx] with a tight fit case (18x24x5cm) is what i want. Why did you dismiss Blackfin? There are quite a few audio tools for it. At the last AES in SF, Digital Concepts demo'd Audio Weaver a Matlab-based tool that comes with loads of modules. Seemed easy to construct software and had about every module you might need. I think it's free to download and use and then you pay when you release the product to the market. More: http://dspconcepts.com/audio-weaver. Of course, you'll need Matlab. There's also VisualAudio from Analog Devices. http://www.analog.com/en/embedded-processing-dsp/blackfin/content/visualaudio_software_tool/fca.html (which I think is free) Besides the proto boards from Analog, Danville Signal has some interesting prototyping boards as well: http://www.danvillesignal.com/ -- Brad Fuller From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Dec 19 13:35:31 2008 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:35:31 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A little outside my comfort zone. In-Reply-To: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> References: <20081214204729.4a2dc792@debian> Message-ID: <20081219183531.023e80df@debian> I just want to say I am quite blown away by all the encouraging replies I've had to this. After the weekend I will be away for a couple of weeks, but when I get back, I will try out some of the suggestions you have made, and think about doing more singing. Thank you again for all your support, and have a good Christmas & New Year! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 19 22:06:35 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:06:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20081220030635.GD32612@aieee.restivo.org> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 02:38:48PM +0100, sh0099 wrote: > hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. > > the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is > silent (i mean the fan). > > is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? > > maybe already linux tested? > Why not use a Mac Mini? Runs Linux just fine (I used one for about 6 months running Debian). I bought a Mini-ITX motherboard with the same specs as a Mac Mini for cheap. Still trying to get it to boot properly off of USB though (it refuses sometimes) which was my plan to get it to run off of Flash device. If you want to build your own PC from parts you could probably find a mini-ITX case and mobo and run whatever linux you like off of it. -ken From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Dec 20 07:23:03 2008 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:23:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] embedded devices for audio In-Reply-To: References: <200812191137.20458.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200812201323.04252.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Friday 19 December 2008, Brad Fuller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > I searched and searched, looked at Blackfin, AVR, and other DSP/embedded > > stuff and finally came to the conclusion that an Intel Atom board [mini - > > itx] with a tight fit case (18x24x5cm) is what i want. > > Why did you dismiss Blackfin? There are quite a few audio tools for > it. At the last AES in SF, Digital Concepts demo'd Audio Weaver a > Matlab-based tool that comes with loads of modules. Seemed easy to > construct software and had about every module you might need. I think > it's free to download and use and then you pay when you release the > product to the market. More: http://dspconcepts.com/audio-weaver. Of > course, you'll need Matlab. I'm all for open source/libre software. A free download != free software :) > There's also VisualAudio from Analog Devices. > http://www.analog.com/en/embedded-processing-dsp/blackfin/content/visualaud >io_software_tool/fca.html (which I think is free) Free, but not open source again.. > Besides the proto boards from Analog, Danville Signal has some > interesting prototyping boards as well: > http://www.danvillesignal.com/ The main reasons for going for the atom board are - Super easy packaging - I won't need to solder anything which i'm notoriously bad at.. - Ability to use open source software exclusively (Linux, Ingen, LADSPA, DSSI, LV2, SuperCollider) which i'm quite familiar with, which will save me loads of time.. - It has an FPU [which you do not get on any DSP in the 70-Euro price range (including board).. - Cost: Total price will be around 250 euros, including the case, switches, the Arduino IO, etc.. 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From sh0099 at gmx.de Sat Dec 20 12:12:14 2008 From: sh0099 at gmx.de (sh0099) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:12:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] mac-mini size-alike pc for linux? In-Reply-To: <20081220030635.GD32612@aieee.restivo.org> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> <20081220030635.GD32612@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <494D276E.4040207@gmx.de> just because of the price and i would like to have some more firewire-ports. Ken Restivo schrieb: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 02:38:48PM +0100, sh0099 wrote: > >> hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. >> >> the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is >> silent (i mean the fan). >> >> is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? >> >> maybe already linux tested? >> >> > > Why not use a Mac Mini? Runs Linux just fine (I used one for about 6 months running Debian). > > I bought a Mini-ITX motherboard with the same specs as a Mac Mini for cheap. Still trying to get it to boot properly off of USB though (it refuses sometimes) which was my plan to get it to run off of Flash device. If you want to build your own PC from parts you could probably find a mini-ITX case and mobo and run whatever linux you like off of it. > > -ken > > From sh0099 at gmx.de Sat Dec 20 12:52:58 2008 From: sh0099 at gmx.de (sh0099) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:52:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] a www.transtec.de a mac-mini noise-alike pc? In-Reply-To: <494A83F0.3070004@smoors.de> References: <494A5268.3090809@gmx.de> <20081218141752.GB3659@fliwatut.scifi> <494A83F0.3070004@smoors.de> Message-ID: <494D30FA.50307@gmx.de> did someone used a transtec pc with core duo processor? and is it as silent as a mac mini? or even better? thanks olaf Sebastian Moors schrieb: > Hi, > > Frank Barknecht schrieb: > >> Hallo, >> sh0099 hat gesagt: // sh0099 wrote: >> >> >> >>> hey i used a mac mini ... with a 1,83 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. >>> >>> the good thing about this computer is the size and that the computer is >>> silent (i mean the fan). >>> >>> is there pc on the market with a similar size and which is similar silent? >>> >>> maybe already linux tested? >>> >>> >> Maybe take a look at the various Nettops that seem to be popping up lately: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop >> >> Ciao >> >> > The nettops are not comparable to the mac mini since they are (mostly) > based on intel atom cpu's, which > are very slow compared to an intel core2duo. > > But if just size matters, the asus eetop (or whatever it is called now) > can be considered > as an alternative (but comes without an optical drive). > The MSI Wind Nettop for example (i've just installed one last week) is > as twice as big as the mac mini but very affordable and includes a > dvd-burner and big harddrive. > > If you're planing to use it for every-day audio work, you may want to > consider a more performant solution, like the transtec senyo 610 > (http://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/personal_computer/pc/mini_pc.html). > This device an be delivered with Suse Enterprise pre-installed, so it > can be considered as "linux tested" :) > > Btw, have you tried running a mac port of linux on your mac mini? I'm > running debian here on an old imac and it is very performant (compared > to OSX). > - Sebastian > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From beachnase at web.de Sat Dec 20 17:36:25 2008 From: beachnase at web.de (Frank Neumann) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:36:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] LAC2009: Holiday time = Paper time! Message-ID: Hi, this mail is a short reminder that the LAC2009(1) Call for Papers is currently active and awaiting your papers at (2). The paper submission period ends on Thursday, January 15, 2009, 24:00 UTC so use the (hopefully) free time of the Christmas holidays to get your paper into shape and upload it in time! Hope to see you there, Frank, on behalf of the LAC2009 organization team (1) The LAC (Linux Audio Conference) is an annual event where developers, users and composers from all around the world come together for 4 days to present current developments, new compositions and other news to the public, listen to concerts, and generally have a good time together. The LAC2009 is taking place at the Casa della Musica in Parma, Italy, from April 16th to 19th, 2009. The conference homepage is at http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2009/. (2) Paper submission information: http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2009/call-for-papers/ Paper submission upload form: http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2009/openconf/openconf.php From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 08:55:42 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:55:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] qtractor GUI problem Message-ID: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> Hi, Latest version Qtractor on Debian testing, kde4 from experimental... After dragging a bit with the files-browser, I can't make it smaller anymore. It now takes almost my whole screen and the main track edit/view area is very small. I can't get it back.... Restart doesn't solve it.. Regards, From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 09:00:49 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:00:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Hi, > > Latest version Qtractor on Debian testing, kde4 from experimental... > > After dragging a bit with the files-browser, I can't make it smaller > anymore. It now takes almost my whole screen and the main track > edit/view area is very small. I can't get it back.... > > Restart doesn't solve it.. > > Regards, > > Solved it by setting files off and on in the view tab... From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 09:13:12 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:13:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Latest version Qtractor on Debian testing, kde4 from experimental... >> >> After dragging a bit with the files-browser, I can't make it smaller >> anymore. It now takes almost my whole screen and the main track >> edit/view area is very small. I can't get it back.... >> >> Restart doesn't solve it.. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> > Solved it by setting files off and on in the view tab... > > When I drag the files browser to make it larger or smaller, it suddenly becomes real large... and it almost takes all my screen :/ there seems to be a problem here. I can solve it temporarily, but I can't drag the files browser to another length.. From izlem.gozukeles at emo.org.tr Sun Dec 21 11:28:21 2008 From: izlem.gozukeles at emo.org.tr (izlem Gozukeles) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:28:21 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Echo Layla 3G... In-Reply-To: <21088214.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <21088214.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <494E6EA5.4060107@emo.org.tr> We had given up trying the card. Now, we tested as you said. It is OK, working. Cemal GAZALCI yazm??: > When you think everything is ok, but you get the handshake timeout "error > -5", please check once again if the box is connected to the card. > > Cemal > > > > > izlem Gozukeles wrote: > >> Brad Fuller writes: >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Preston C. wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> I am eventually going to get a new computer and was wondering if >>>>>> >>>> this >>>> >>>>>> was a good sound card? Is there a better sound card around the same >>>>>> price or less? Any help is much appreciated. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have the Echo 3G and it has worked well. I've only recorded/played >>>> back 4 channels simul - I haven't done anything fancy. But, it seems >>>> to work as advertised. I haven't tested their advertised specs. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> We also have Echo 3G, but it didn't work. We have error: >> [ 1326.803139] firmware: requesting ea/echo3g_dsp.fw >> [ 1326.825403] firmware: requesting ea/3g_asic.fw >> [ 1327.995014] wait_handshake(): Timeout waiting for DSP >> [ 1328.017190] wait_handshake(): Timeout waiting for DSP >> [ 1328.033190] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:05:09.0 disabled >> [ 1328.033190] Echoaudio Echo3G: probe of 0000:05:09.0 failed with error >> -5 >> >> >> What is your GNU/Linux distribution? >> Kernel version? >> Alsa version? >> Are there any tricks for install? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> begin:vcard >> fn;quoted-printable:ibrahim izlem G=C3=96Z=C3=9CKELE=C5=9E >> n;quoted-printable:G=C3=96Z=C3=9CKELE=C5=9E;ibrahim izlem >> version:2.1 >> end:vcard >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: izlem.gozukeles.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 157 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081221/63bc18c7/attachment.vcf From rncbc at rncbc.org Sun Dec 21 11:43:23 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:43:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Latest version Qtractor on Debian testing, kde4 from experimental... >>> >>> After dragging a bit with the files-browser, I can't make it smaller >>> anymore. It now takes almost my whole screen and the main track >>> edit/view area is very small. I can't get it back.... >>> >>> Restart doesn't solve it.. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >> Solved it by setting files off and on in the view tab... >> >> > When I drag the files browser to make it larger or smaller, it suddenly > becomes real large... and it almost takes all my screen :/ > > there seems to be a problem here. I can solve it temporarily, but I > can't drag the files browser to another length.. > well, either you or i must be missing something. the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the edges. seeya -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From florin at andrei.myip.org Sun Dec 21 12:16:15 2008 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:16:15 -0800 Subject: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever Message-ID: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/ What can I say - the author does have a point. :-/ -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:18:29 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:18:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] {Spam?} Re: [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > >> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> >>> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Latest version Qtractor on Debian testing, kde4 from experimental... >>>> >>>> After dragging a bit with the files-browser, I can't make it smaller >>>> anymore. It now takes almost my whole screen and the main track >>>> edit/view area is very small. I can't get it back.... >>>> >>>> Restart doesn't solve it.. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Solved it by setting files off and on in the view tab... >>> >>> >>> >> When I drag the files browser to make it larger or smaller, it suddenly >> becomes real large... and it almost takes all my screen :/ >> >> there seems to be a problem here. I can solve it temporarily, but I >> can't drag the files browser to another length.. >> >> > > well, either you or i must be missing something. > > the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you > want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is > right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. > > once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by > dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse > cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the > edges. > > seeya > I get this and can't get it back by dragging... http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7.png From rncbc at rncbc.org Sun Dec 21 12:37:01 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:37:01 +0000 Subject: [LAU] {Spam?} Re: [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494E7EBD.90303@rncbc.org> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >> >> the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you >> want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is >> right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. >> >> once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by >> dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse >> cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the >> edges. >> >> seeya >> > I get this and can't get it back by dragging... > > http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7.png can't you drag and move (resize) from this edge? http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7lk1.png byee -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From goemusic at yahoo.fr Sun Dec 21 12:46:09 2008 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (go music) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop Message-ID: <551089.81187.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> For those of you living in or close to France: The francophone web forum www.linuxmao.org is organizing two parties and workshops in the center of PARIS, France. There will be short hands-on presentations/demos of major Linux Music software components, help for beginners, mini-concerts and a party on Saturday night. Here are the dates: 27-28 december 2008 10-11 january 2009 All further information can be obtained at http://www.linuxmao.org You are all welcome ! Registration is FREE and open on their website for either or both of these weekends. Just register on the website. Overnight stay is possible at the location given on the website. Looking forward to seeing you all in Paris From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Sun Dec 21 13:50:55 2008 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:50:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] circular ugen connections in supercollider Message-ID: <494E900F.2000302@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Does anyone know how to make circular ugen connections in supercollider? I.e. I have two chains of UGens (simple string models), which each take two inputs, an impulse and (roughly) a frequency. I want a fraction of the output of the first to go into the impulse of the second, and the same the other way round, so they both affect each other. Then the idea is to apply an extra impulse to one 'string' and see if the other one resonates with it. I can do it with the two arranged in a chain, which is nearly what I want, but I really want a loop so I can choose to apply the impulse to either string. My code so far looks like this: ( { var imp=EnvGen.ar(Env.triangle(0.01,1)); var sprGen,s1,s2; sprGen={arg impulse,konst; var harmPower=1; var nh=20; var spr; spr=Array.fill(nh,{ arg ind; var hAmp; ind.postln; hAmp=1/((ind+1)**harmPower); hAmp.postln; hAmp*Spring.ar(impulse,konst*(ind+1),0.0001); }); Mix.new(spr); }; s1=sprGen.value(imp,50); s2=sprGen.value(s1/10,150); Mix.new([s1,s2]); }.play; ); Thanks for any help with this - hope it's not too much of an esoteric question. andy From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 14:19:31 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:19:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] {Spam?} Re: [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E7EBD.90303@rncbc.org> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> <494E7EBD.90303@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <494E96C3.80402@gmail.com> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > >> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >> >>> the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you >>> want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is >>> right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. >>> >>> once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by >>> dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse >>> cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the >>> edges. >>> >>> seeya >>> >>> >> I get this and can't get it back by dragging... >> >> http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7.png >> > > can't you drag and move (resize) from this edge? > http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7lk1.png > > byee > no From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Dec 21 14:36:48 2008 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:36:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever In-Reply-To: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> References: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <494E9AD0.5050009@linuxuse.de> Florin Andrei schrieb: > http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/ > > What can I say - the author does have a point. :-/ > Yeah - to some extent. But he seems to be a victim of the marketing-"the user is dumb - let us not distrub him with too many choice"-philosophy that gains more and more influence on the Desktop-concept of Ubuntu. In Ubuntu 7.10 I have xinelib built with jack enabeled so I can run jackd 24/7 whithout a need to disable it if I want to see a video or whatever non-music-making thing I like .... But Ubuntu Intrepid still does not offer the jackd-plugin for xinelib and the one for pulseaudio is not to be found also so I will switch back to Suse I guess - after 2.5 years of using Ubuntu and 64Studio excluselively. From rncbc at rncbc.org Sun Dec 21 14:38:30 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:38:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] {Spam?} Re: [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E96C3.80402@gmail.com> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> <494E7EBD.90303@rncbc.org> <494E96C3.80402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494E9B36.204@rncbc.org> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> >>> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >>> >>>> the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you >>>> want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is >>>> right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. >>>> >>>> once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by >>>> dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse >>>> cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the >>>> edges. >>>> >>>> seeya >>>> >>>> >>> I get this and can't get it back by dragging... >>> >>> http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7.png >>> >> can't you drag and move (resize) from this edge? >> http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7lk1.png >> >> byee >> > no weird :( at this time i can only suggest for you moving away the configuration file (~/.config/rncbc.org/Qtractor.conf) while qtractor isn't running and start over again. one hunch: see whether the widget style (oxygen?) is messing it up. try plastique :) cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 14:46:19 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:46:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] using external sound module to record in Ardour Message-ID: <494E9D0B.20200@gmail.com> I want to use my external sound module to record in Ardour, using a midi sequencer or playing with my midi keyboard. Is it possible? How should I do the jack connections? \r From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 14:55:10 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:55:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E9B36.204@rncbc.org> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> <494E7EBD.90303@rncbc.org> <494E96C3.80402@gmail.com> <494E9B36.204@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <494E9F1E.1060002@gmail.com> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > >> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >> >>> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you >>>>> want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is >>>>> right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. >>>>> >>>>> once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by >>>>> dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse >>>>> cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the >>>>> edges. >>>>> >>>>> seeya >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I get this and can't get it back by dragging... >>>> >>>> http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7.png >>>> >>>> >>> can't you drag and move (resize) from this edge? >>> http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7lk1.png >>> >>> byee >>> >>> >> no >> > > weird :( at this time i can only suggest for you moving away the > configuration file (~/.config/rncbc.org/Qtractor.conf) while qtractor > isn't running and start over again. > > one hunch: see whether the widget style (oxygen?) is messing it up. try > plastique :) > > > Thanks for your support, but both options didn't solve it.... When I open Qtractor and want to drag the files browser, is suddenly moves to the right, with the picture I posted as result... From noisesmith at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 16:09:42 2008 From: noisesmith at gmail.com (Justin Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:09:42 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: circular ugen connections in supercollider In-Reply-To: <9e76fbda0812211308i560990f9k386dfb352dbcd3ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <494E900F.2000302@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <9e76fbda0812211308i560990f9k386dfb352dbcd3ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e76fbda0812211309m666843e6l9b486ab5a048de3a@mail.gmail.com> oops, meant to send this to the list ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Justin Smith Date: Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [LAU] circular ugen connections in supercollider To: andy baxter What you want is most likely a very short delay line from the second unit with a reader of that line at the input of the first. I am fairly certain that the delay has to be at least one audio chunk in length (even if sc lets you specify a shorter delay, it cannot do a shorter delay without infinite recursion issues). On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM, andy baxter wrote: > Does anyone know how to make circular ugen connections in supercollider? > > I.e. I have two chains of UGens (simple string models), which each take > two inputs, an impulse and (roughly) a frequency. I want a fraction of > the output of the first to go into the impulse of the second, and the > same the other way round, so they both affect each other. Then the idea > is to apply an extra impulse to one 'string' and see if the other one > resonates with it. > > I can do it with the two arranged in a chain, which is nearly what I > want, but I really want a loop so I can choose to apply the impulse to > either string. My code so far looks like this: > > ( > { > var imp=EnvGen.ar(Env.triangle(0.01,1)); > var sprGen,s1,s2; > sprGen={arg impulse,konst; > var harmPower=1; > var nh=20; > var spr; > spr=Array.fill(nh,{ arg ind; var hAmp; > ind.postln; > hAmp=1/((ind+1)**harmPower); > hAmp.postln; > hAmp*Spring.ar(impulse,konst*(ind+1),0.0001); > }); > Mix.new(spr); > }; > s1=sprGen.value(imp,50); > s2=sprGen.value(s1/10,150); > > Mix.new([s1,s2]); > }.play; > ); > > > Thanks for any help with this - hope it's not too much of an esoteric > question. > > andy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Dec 21 17:51:20 2008 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:51:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] using external sound module to record in Ardour In-Reply-To: <494E9D0B.20200@gmail.com> References: <494E9D0B.20200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494EC868.20100@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Grammostola Rosea schrieb: > I want to use my external sound module to record in Ardour, using a midi > sequencer or playing with my midi keyboard. Is it possible? How should I > do the jack connections? > Quite easy: 1.) connect the line-out of your module to the line-in of your soundcard 2.) select the soundcard-inputs as inputs for a track in Ardour 3.) hit record and play in Ardour and play as thou wishest Or do you want to use the external AS the soundcard? What external module is it? > > \r > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJTsho1Aecwva1SWMRAnMOAJ9qXHF/2hhxA+F9D21ID3s6OEHu5gCeL6sn RabrA4V4M7celng35us8WiM= =wlph -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 18:35:56 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:35:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] using external sound module to record in Ardour In-Reply-To: <494EC868.20100@linuxuse.de> References: <494E9D0B.20200@gmail.com> <494EC868.20100@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <494ED2DC.8000004@gmail.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Grammostola Rosea schrieb: > >> I want to use my external sound module to record in Ardour, using a midi >> sequencer or playing with my midi keyboard. Is it possible? How should I >> do the jack connections? >> >> > Quite easy: > > 1.) connect the line-out of your module to the line-in of your soundcard > 2.) select the soundcard-inputs as inputs for a track in Ardour > 3.) hit record and play in Ardour and play as thou wishest > > > Or do you want to use the external AS the soundcard? What external > module is it? > > It's a gem rp-x piano module. Thanks... yeah I was missing the normal software entries to connect to Ardour ;) Ok, I've connect midi out from my soundcard, to midi in from the module, and connect now line-out module to line-in of the soundcard. I forgot the last step, thanks! From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Sun Dec 21 18:43:44 2008 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:43:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Fwd: circular ugen connections in supercollider In-Reply-To: <9e76fbda0812211309m666843e6l9b486ab5a048de3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <494E900F.2000302@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <9e76fbda0812211308i560990f9k386dfb352dbcd3ce@mail.gmail.com> <9e76fbda0812211309m666843e6l9b486ab5a048de3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494ED4B0.8010502@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Justin Smith wrote: > oops, meant to send this to the list > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Justin Smith > Date: Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [LAU] circular ugen connections in supercollider > To: andy baxter > > > What you want is most likely a very short delay line from the second > unit with a reader of that line at the input of the first. I am fairly > certain that the delay has to be at least one audio chunk in length > (even if sc lets you specify a shorter delay, it cannot do a shorter > delay without infinite recursion issues). > Thanks - I've got it working. Code pasted below: ( { var b1=Buffer.alloc(s,s.sampleRate/10,1); var b2=Buffer.alloc(s,s.sampleRate/10,1); var imp=EnvGen.ar(Env.triangle(0.01,1)); var damping=0.0001; //var mute=1-EnvGen.ar(Env.linen(0,0.04,0,1,'step')); var sprGen,s1,s2,op; var crossRes=250; sprGen={arg impulse,konst; var harmPower=1; var nh=20; var spr; spr=Array.fill(nh,{ arg ind; var hAmp; //ind.postln; hAmp=1/((ind+1)**harmPower); //hAmp.postln; Spring.ar(impulse*hAmp,konst*(ind+1),damping); }); Mix.new(spr); }; //op=OutputProxy('ar',Silence.ar()); s1=sprGen.value(imp+PlayBuf.ar(1,b2,1,0,0,1),50); RecordBuf.ar(s1/crossRes,b1,1,1,0,1,1); s2=sprGen.value(PlayBuf.ar(1,b1,1,0,0,1),75); RecordBuf.ar(s2/crossRes,b2,1,1,0,1,1); Mix.new([s1,s2]); }.play; ); From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 18:46:21 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:46:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494E9F1E.1060002@gmail.com> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> <494E7EBD.90303@rncbc.org> <494E96C3.80402@gmail.com> <494E9B36.204@rncbc.org> <494E9F1E.1060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494ED54D.4070904@gmail.com> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > >> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >> >> >>> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you >>>>>> want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is >>>>>> right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. >>>>>> >>>>>> once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by >>>>>> dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse >>>>>> cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the >>>>>> edges. >>>>>> >>>>>> seeya >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I get this and can't get it back by dragging... >>>>> >>>>> http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7.png >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> can't you drag and move (resize) from this edge? >>>> http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7lk1.png >>>> >>>> byee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> no >>> >>> >> weird :( at this time i can only suggest for you moving away the >> configuration file (~/.config/rncbc.org/Qtractor.conf) while qtractor >> isn't running and start over again. >> >> one hunch: see whether the widget style (oxygen?) is messing it up. try >> plastique :) >> >> >> >> > Thanks for your support, but both options didn't solve it.... > When I open Qtractor and want to drag the files browser, is suddenly > moves to the right, with the picture I posted as result... > > > > After restarting the computer, Qtractor seems to work fine, as I was used to! :) I think it was probably the widget thing... Thanks From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 18:49:52 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:49:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: [not really solved]qtractor GUI problem In-Reply-To: <494ED54D.4070904@gmail.com> References: <494E4ADE.4080500@gmail.com> <494E4C11.4000104@gmail.com> <494E4EF8.4090405@gmail.com> <494E722B.10009@rncbc.org> <494E7A65.6030506@gmail.com> <494E7EBD.90303@rncbc.org> <494E96C3.80402@gmail.com> <494E9B36.204@rncbc.org> <494E9F1E.1060002@gmail.com> <494ED54D.4070904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494ED620.5030806@gmail.com> Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > >> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >> >> >>> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Grammostola Rosea wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> the files widget is a dockable one, so that you can drag it wherever you >>>>>>> want, you can stick it at the right pane or at the left pane (default is >>>>>>> right), you can even move it out and leave it floating around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> once docked, either on left or right panes, you can resize it by >>>>>>> dragging one of its edges to your please. don't tell me that your mouse >>>>>>> cursor doesn't tell you when that is possible, by just hovering on the >>>>>>> edges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> seeya >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I get this and can't get it back by dragging... >>>>>> >>>>>> http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7.png >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> can't you drag and move (resize) from this edge? >>>>> http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guiqtractoreo7lk1.png >>>>> >>>>> byee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> no >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> weird :( at this time i can only suggest for you moving away the >>> configuration file (~/.config/rncbc.org/Qtractor.conf) while qtractor >>> isn't running and start over again. >>> >>> one hunch: see whether the widget style (oxygen?) is messing it up. try >>> plastique :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for your support, but both options didn't solve it.... >> When I open Qtractor and want to drag the files browser, is suddenly >> moves to the right, with the picture I posted as result... >> >> >> >> >> > After restarting the computer, Qtractor seems to work fine, as I was > used to! :) > I think it was probably the widget thing... > > Thanks > > And sorry for the {spam} ;) From gurusonic at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 19:27:38 2008 From: gurusonic at gmail.com (Roger E) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:27:38 +1100 Subject: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever In-Reply-To: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> References: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <494EDEFA.7080300@gmail.com> Florin Andrei wrote: > http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/ > > What can I say - the author does have a point. :-/ > Guess they don't have a profanity filter for comments. It sure generated a few flames! To the point of the blogger - yes pulse audio has problems, especially for new users. From zekthedeadcow at hotmail.com Sun Dec 21 19:45:36 2008 From: zekthedeadcow at hotmail.com (sam javor) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:45:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever In-Reply-To: <494EDEFA.7080300@gmail.com> References: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> <494EDEFA.7080300@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:27:38 +1100 > From: gurusonic at gmail.com > To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > Subject: Re: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever > > > > Florin Andrei wrote: > > http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/ > > > > What can I say - the author does have a point. :-/ > > > Guess they don't have a profanity filter for comments. It sure generated > a few flames! > To the point of the blogger - yes pulse audio has problems, especially > for new users. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user Maybe I'm weird... but I've never had any unusual problems besides dealing with priority with multiple soundcards... (which isn't unusual) but I switched to Linux using an Edirol FA66 from XP using an Aardvark Q10... and the aardvark, for the first couple months, was CONVINCED it was an ethernet card... had to disable DHCP to record! :) My point is. No system is 'right'... look what happened to OSX with AppleUSBaudio.kext earlier this year - talk about a disaster - If I owned a Mac I'd have run into a Mac Store to slug the first salesman I saw. - (summary is all USB audio devices older than a year stopped working and Apple didn't do anything for about three months... people were pirating older versions of the file to get it to work) peace sam _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081221/2563cd7c/attachment.htm From thomasfisher at ak.net Mon Dec 22 02:16:12 2008 From: thomasfisher at ak.net (Thomas Fisher) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:16:12 -0900 Subject: [LAU] FYI: Custom Midi pedal & DSP tutorial Message-ID: <200812212216.12456.thomasfisher@ak.net> A Custom MIDI Pedalboard. http://www.wendycarlos.com/wurlynew/index.html Excellent tutorials about DSP http://www.bores.com/courses/intro/ I hope these may of use Holiday Cheers to all Tom From hollunder at gmx.at Mon Dec 22 08:02:43 2008 From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:02:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever In-Reply-To: References: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> <494EDEFA.7080300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081222140243.71d7b6f1@gmx.at> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:45:36 -0500 sam javor wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:27:38 +1100 > > From: gurusonic at gmail.com > > To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > Subject: Re: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever > > > > > > > > Florin Andrei wrote: > > > http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/ > > > > > > What can I say - the author does have a point. :-/ > > > > > Guess they don't have a profanity filter for comments. It sure > > generated a few flames! > > To the point of the blogger - yes pulse audio has problems, > > especially for new users. > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > Maybe I'm weird... but I've never had any unusual problems besides > dealing with priority with multiple soundcards... (which isn't > unusual) but I switched to Linux using an Edirol FA66 from XP using > an Aardvark Q10... and the aardvark, for the first couple months, was > CONVINCED it was an ethernet card... had to disable DHCP to record! :) > > My > point is. No system is 'right'... look what happened to OSX with > AppleUSBaudio.kext earlier this year - talk about a disaster - If I > owned a Mac I'd have run into a Mac Store to slug the first salesman I > saw. - (summary is all USB audio devices older than a year stopped > working and Apple didn't do anything for about three months... people > were pirating older versions of the file to get it to work) > > peace > sam This is very much a distribution problem. As the PulseAudio developer put it: Ubuntu didn't do it's homework when employing PA as standard soundserver. It also comes down to the user, as always. Sure, there are lots of soundsystems and whatnot on linux, which can get confusing, but you don't need to care about most of them. PA is just another layer that attempts, among other things, to make things easier for the user. The problem is: if it doesn't work the way it is intended it's even more complicated than without PA. Personally, I used PA on ubuntustudio 8.04 and it worked well enough for me once I figured out how to use the quite unusual gui controls. Anything production-like was done over jack anyway. Now I'm on Arch Linux, using plain alsa, which worked without trouble out-of-the-box (as far ootb as possible with arch..). So IMHO, with the features PA currently has it's not really worth the trouble and not necessary. It's also not worth page-long rants, especially when it's really a distribution problem. pue From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Dec 22 09:01:15 2008 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:01:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track Message-ID: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> Hi! I have had this idea of creating a track with just counting, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and Beat Beat Beat since long ... and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with many people, in several languages! So that's why I ask you for audio samples of yourself and everyone else you might get to do it, saying: A: One Two Three Four B: One and Two and Three and Four c: Beat preferably in your native language. With a tempo of 110 beats per minute (to be very clear, the "and" has to be between beats ;). All files should be: - WAV or wavpacked - 32 bit float, 48 KHz - Trimmed - Normalized - Dry - Explicitly licensed as http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ or released to the Public Domain Please name them as follows: firstname_lastname_language_count.wav for "One Two Three Fou" firstname_lastname_language_count_and.wav for "One and Two ..." firstname_lastname_language_beat.wav for "Beat" I _much_ prefer links to uploads over email attachments. Consider using http://www.getdropbox.com/ if you have no other space. Please mail me off-list for submissions and on-list for questions. My intention is to offer the result and the material on archive.org. I also want to submit a version to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase I can't promise to use all contributions. I will sort out ones that sound suspiciously different from others claimed to be in the same language ;) However, all serious contributors will be given credit. I will collect files until the 15th of January! Happy holidays! -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ From gordonjcp at gjcp.net Mon Dec 22 09:36:33 2008 From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:36:33 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> Message-ID: <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > I have had this idea of creating a track with just counting, 1, 2, 3, 4 > and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and Beat Beat Beat since long ... > > and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with > many people, in several languages! Been done... eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht ONE TWO ovil dah tri Krafty devils that they are... ;-) Gordon From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon Dec 22 09:50:56 2008 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:50:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo Message-ID: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> Hello people. After upgrading to debian lenny i had to remove my old version of xjadeo and try to compile a new one. ./configure is ok but when i type make, i've got a lot of errors, start by this one xjadeo.c:36:28: error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de ce type xjadeo.c:37:29: error: ffmpeg/avformat.h: Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de ce type "No such file or folder"= Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de ce type. But i've got this file in /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavformat and /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavcodec Do you any idea of what's wrong ? I really need this small utilitie. Thanks, best regards P'tit Louis From sed at free.fr Mon Dec 22 10:08:12 2008 From: sed at free.fr (Cedric Roux) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:08:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> Message-ID: <1229958492.494fad5c87b26@imp.free.fr> Quoting Lilli Chiffon : > xjadeo.c:36:28: error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de > ce type > xjadeo.c:37:29: error: ffmpeg/avformat.h: Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de > ce type > > But i've got this file in /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavformat and > /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavcodec > > Do you any idea of what's wrong ? I really need this small utilitie. > > Thanks, best regards > > P'tit Louis Solution one (not very good): Move the files from /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavformat to /usr/include/ffmpeg Same for libavcodec. Solution two (better IMO): Since you have the sources, edit xjadeo.c and replace the line #include with: #include (same for the other includes that don't work). It still may fail to work, depending on how the .h files from ffmpeg (and the files of xjadeo) do their include. Solution three: throw away debian, make your own distribution (time to go back to the roots, too much distrib kills the distrib) (ahem). Hope it helps, Cedric. From robin at gareus.org Mon Dec 22 11:33:18 2008 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:33:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> Message-ID: <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lilli Chiffon wrote: > Hello people. > > After upgrading to debian lenny i had to remove my old version of xjadeo > and try to compile a new one. > > ./configure is ok but when i type make, i've got a lot of errors, start > by this one > > xjadeo.c:36:28: error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de > ce type > xjadeo.c:37:29: error: ffmpeg/avformat.h: Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de > ce type > > > "No such file or folder"= Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de ce type. > > But i've got this file in /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavformat and > /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavcodec > > Do you any idea of what's wrong ? I really need this small utilitie. see https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5863567 - this got fixed a while ago in the SVN repo but there has not been a new release since. robin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklPwU4ACgkQeVUk8U+VK0KDuQCguhhy1yPmmQRYDxOrpmvoY9m7 6poAn16x3bA4CIs2u0z11Jq5grLsyG1B =f3UB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Dec 22 11:41:45 2008 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:41:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> Message-ID: <1229964105.7283.48.camel@charly> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:36 +0000, Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ wrote: > > and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with > > many people, in several languages! > > Been done... > > eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht > ONE TWO > ovil dah tri > > Krafty devils that they are... ;-) There's Kraftwerk's Numbers and I vaguely recall that there was a song on the Eurovision Song Contest (back when it had a name that I wouldn't be able to reproduce without copy-paste :) where the text was just counting. Such a simple concept can't be new, but I'm sure the way this shall come together and the final result will be rather unlike anything that happened before ;) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon Dec 22 11:46:58 2008 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:46:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <1229958492.494fad5c87b26@imp.free.fr> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <1229958492.494fad5c87b26@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <494FC482.8010706@free.fr> Hi C?dric, thanks for your reply Cedric Roux a ?crit : > > Solution two (better IMO): > Since you have the sources, edit xjadeo.c and replace the line > #include > with: > #include > (same for the other includes that don't work). > It still may fail to work, depending on how the .h files from ffmpeg (and > the files of xjadeo) do their include. > I choose this one too. I changed in xjadeo.c and in other .c files the path to avcodec.h. It works !! But still have a problem : xjadeo.c:660: undefined reference to `img_convert' I check the file and the line, it makes reference to img_convert, is it convert from imagemagik package ? What do you think ? > Solution three: throw away debian, make your own distribution (time to > go back to the roots, too much distrib kills the distrib) (ahem). > Later, i'm still a linux padawan ;-) > Hope it helps, > Yep it does. > Cedric. > > P'tit Louis From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon Dec 22 11:52:00 2008 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:52:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> Message-ID: <494FC5B0.8090202@free.fr> Robin Gareus a ?crit : > > see https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5863567 - this got > fixed a while ago in the SVN repo but there has not been a new release > since. > > robin > Thanks Robin, i'am the author of the message. I try now. P'tit Louis From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon Dec 22 11:57:16 2008 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:57:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> Message-ID: <494FC6EC.6000203@free.fr> Robin Gareus a ?crit : > see https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5863567 - this got > fixed a while ago in the SVN repo but there has not been a new release > since. > > robin > Yep, it fixed the ffmpeg probleme, but still remains the img_convert question. P'tit Louis From robin at gareus.org Mon Dec 22 12:01:30 2008 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:01:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FC6EC.6000203@free.fr> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> <494FC6EC.6000203@free.fr> Message-ID: <494FC7EA.2090008@gareus.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lilli Chiffon wrote: > Robin Gareus a ?crit : >> see https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5863567 - this got >> fixed a while ago in the SVN repo but there has not been a new release >> since. >> >> robin >> > Yep, it fixed the ffmpeg probleme, but still remains the img_convert > question. xjadeo supports ffmpeg-swscaler. - Do you have /usr/include/ffmpeg/libswscale/ ? Check if `./configure` put "#define HAVE_SWSCALE" into config.h otherwise it will fall back to use img_convert. It configures and compiles just fine on debian/lenny over here. robin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklPx+oACgkQeVUk8U+VK0I9twCbBWTTujihUhFgovvnMneaFIx6 wZ4An2eyRfeteO1lwxSQ6PUswUgyPTQ0 =B0Jz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon Dec 22 12:03:22 2008 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:03:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FC6EC.6000203@free.fr> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> <494FC6EC.6000203@free.fr> Message-ID: <494FC85A.5000900@free.fr> Lilli Chiffon a ?crit : > > Yep, it fixed the ffmpeg probleme, but still remains the img_convert > question. > > It looks like this bug report : http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/d9d25e7ade71555d/f526bcb880ed261f?lnk=raot ffmpeg doesn't provide img_convert symbol. P'tit Louis From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon Dec 22 12:37:16 2008 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:37:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FCA81.1070602@gareus.org> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> <494FC6EC.6000203@free.fr> <494FC85A.5000900@free.fr> <494FCA81.1070602@gareus.org> Message-ID: <494FD04C.2090204@free.fr> Hi Robin thanks for your help Robin Gareus a ?crit : > yes we know; that's why I added swscaler support almost a year ago. > Alas, I did not have the time to add proper detection of it and there > has not been a release since. > > it looks like you're just missing > `apt-get install libswscale-dev` Ok i did it, it was not installed. I still have the same problem. Like you asked in your previous message i dont have this line #define HAVE_SWSCALE" into config.h so it failed. > > Tell me if you encouter more problems. You should also be able to build > and install it automatically by calling sth. like: > > `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot` # in xjadeo's trunk/ folder. > `sudo dpkg -i ../xjadeo*deb` > > good luck, > robin P'tit louis From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Mon Dec 22 12:43:45 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:43:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's Gigsaw: COUNTRY-patterns. Message-ID: <494FD1D1.7070707@free.fr> Hi all, Here comes the COUNTRY-patterns with a few experiments about the velocities. http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article40 Happy Christmas. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From ken at restivo.org Mon Dec 22 13:07:52 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:07:52 -0800 Subject: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop In-Reply-To: <551089.81187.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <551089.81187.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081222180752.GA4109@aieee.restivo.org> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 05:46:09PM +0000, go music wrote: > For those of you living in or close to France: > > The francophone web forum www.linuxmao.org is organizing I hereby nominate "linuxmao" for the domain name of the year. -ken, who has been linuxing his ass off for almost a decade now From gychang at fastmail.fm Mon Dec 22 13:10:54 2008 From: gychang at fastmail.fm (Gregory Chang) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:10:54 -0800 Subject: [LAU] which USB card with optical out? Message-ID: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> m crazy about clean 2 channel sound output to my high-end Pioneer setup (yes, it is possible..., IMHO). Under XP I was able to get it with foobar software playing my flac files. I used TUrtleBeach Micro Advantage USB sound card with optical output which gave a desired clean sound. Now I have completely migrated to Linux (LinuxMint distro) format, but the TBMA has no linux driver and sound has a annoying clicking sound (like playing old LP). Can any gurus recommend a USB card solution (<$100 if possible) with optical output for the Linux format? I have old Chaintech AV710 sound card with optical output that I may try if someone can verify it will work also. thanks in advance, Merry X-mas. gychang UCI Medical Center Irvine, CA -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From noisesmith at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 14:11:40 2008 From: noisesmith at gmail.com (Justin Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:11:40 -0800 Subject: [LAU] which USB card with optical out? In-Reply-To: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <9e76fbda0812221111m539f13edx16db7a94d9020e2f@mail.gmail.com> As will usually be mentioned when someone asks about USB, any card that is class compliant usb 1.0 will work under linux, with no trouble whatsoever. This usually means any card that lists USB 1.0 compatibility. I got a creative USB card a while back with rca/eighth-inch/optical IO for around $40 at Fry's. It worked just fine (though USB 1.0 does have a higher latency than firewire, of course). I don't remember the model, I am lending it to a friend, but there should be an equivalent out there now. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Gregory Chang wrote: > m crazy about clean 2 channel sound output to my high-end Pioneer setup > (yes, it is possible..., IMHO). > > Under XP I was able to get it with foobar software playing my flac > files. I used TUrtleBeach Micro Advantage USB sound card with optical > output which gave a desired clean sound. > > Now I have completely migrated to Linux (LinuxMint distro) format, but > the TBMA has no linux driver and sound has a annoying clicking sound > (like playing old LP). > > Can any gurus recommend a USB card solution (<$100 if possible) with > optical output for the Linux format? > > I have old Chaintech AV710 sound card with optical output that I may try > if someone can verify it will work also. > > thanks in advance, Merry X-mas. > > gychang > UCI Medical Center > Irvine, CA > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Mon Dec 22 14:39:40 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:39:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop In-Reply-To: <20081222180752.GA4109@aieee.restivo.org> References: <551089.81187.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20081222180752.GA4109@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <494FECFC.8030809@free.fr> Ken Restivo a ?crit : > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 05:46:09PM +0000, go music wrote: >> For those of you living in or close to France: >> >> The francophone web forum www.linuxmao.org is organizing > > I hereby nominate "linuxmao" for the domain name of the year. > > -ken, who has been linuxing his ass off for almost a decade now Would you compose an hymn in 57/32's time signature for this event? From goemusic at yahoo.fr Mon Dec 22 14:56:34 2008 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (go music) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:56:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop In-Reply-To: <20081222180752.GA4109@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4474.27922.qm@web26402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Great Ken, thanks, glad you found your home lately :) Cheers --- En date de?: Lun 22.12.08, Ken Restivo a ?crit?: > De: Ken Restivo > Objet: Re: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop > ?: "go music" > Cc: Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > Date: Lundi 22 D?cembre 2008, 19h07 > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 05:46:09PM +0000, go music wrote: > > For those of you living in or close to France: > > > > The francophone web forum www.linuxmao.org is > organizing > > I hereby nominate "linuxmao" for the domain name > of the year. > > -ken, who has been linuxing his ass off for almost a decade > now From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Dec 22 15:09:24 2008 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:09:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> Message-ID: <1229976564.9841.16.camel@charly> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 15:01 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: After a little chat, I have to make a few clarifications :) > B: One and Two and Three and Four Should be "One and Two and Three and Four and" Plus points for delivering both, though Up to 4 iterations (4 bars) or the counting would be ideal. No need to fill minutes with it. If there are special ways of counting in your language, regarding music, go for it, ideally in addition! Please explain it to me, though :) Regarding "Beat", just the word once will do, I intend to use it as accent. Would be "Schlag" in German. So whatever one could call every beat in your language. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ From noisesmith at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 16:47:24 2008 From: noisesmith at gmail.com (Justin Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:47:24 -0800 Subject: [LAU] which USB card with optical out? In-Reply-To: <1229978228.12634.1291382011@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> <9e76fbda0812221111m539f13edx16db7a94d9020e2f@mail.gmail.com> <1229978228.12634.1291382011@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <9e76fbda0812221347r8ed761cq4859cc3a8a89a58@mail.gmail.com> Most USB 1.0 cards are class compliant devices. All class compliant devices work under linux. If it does not need a special driver for windows or macos, it is class compliant, and will work in linux. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Gregory Chang wrote: > I think you r saying anycard that works well on USB 1.0 should work > without difficulty on Linux? > > thanks, > > gychang > > > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:11:40 -0800, "Justin Smith" > said: >> As will usually be mentioned when someone asks about USB, any card >> that is class compliant usb 1.0 will work under linux, with no trouble >> whatsoever. This usually means any card that lists USB 1.0 >> compatibility. I got a creative USB card a while back with >> rca/eighth-inch/optical IO for around $40 at Fry's. It worked just >> fine (though USB 1.0 does have a higher latency than firewire, of >> course). I don't remember the model, I am lending it to a friend, but >> there should be an equivalent out there now. > UCI Medical Center > Irvine, CA > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > From noisesmith at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 16:47:24 2008 From: noisesmith at gmail.com (Justin Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:47:24 -0800 Subject: [LAU] which USB card with optical out? In-Reply-To: <1229978228.12634.1291382011@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> <9e76fbda0812221111m539f13edx16db7a94d9020e2f@mail.gmail.com> <1229978228.12634.1291382011@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <9e76fbda0812221347r8ed761cq4859cc3a8a89a58@mail.gmail.com> Most USB 1.0 cards are class compliant devices. All class compliant devices work under linux. If it does not need a special driver for windows or macos, it is class compliant, and will work in linux. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Gregory Chang wrote: > I think you r saying anycard that works well on USB 1.0 should work > without difficulty on Linux? > > thanks, > > gychang > > > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:11:40 -0800, "Justin Smith" > said: >> As will usually be mentioned when someone asks about USB, any card >> that is class compliant usb 1.0 will work under linux, with no trouble >> whatsoever. This usually means any card that lists USB 1.0 >> compatibility. I got a creative USB card a while back with >> rca/eighth-inch/optical IO for around $40 at Fry's. It worked just >> fine (though USB 1.0 does have a higher latency than firewire, of >> course). I don't remember the model, I am lending it to a friend, but >> there should be an equivalent out there now. > UCI Medical Center > Irvine, CA > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > From matt at smiffytech.com Mon Dec 22 16:51:20 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:21:20 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> Message-ID: <49500BD8.7080104@smiffytech.com> Quoth Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ at 2008-12-23 01:06... > Been done... > > eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht > ONE TWO > ovil dah tri Thank you for answering the question "what shall I listen to today whilst working" ;-) I'll try to get some recorded in the next week or so. Does it have to be recorded using Linux or can I use my H2? (I'd do the tidying up using Audacity, but wasn't sure if this had to be Linux end-to-end.) What about a vocoded version as well? My (analogue) microphone just happens to be plugged into the vocoder in put of my MS2000R. (For natives of the planet KlingKlang ;-) Now I just have to learn to speak in time ;-) Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From matt at smiffytech.com Mon Dec 22 17:48:16 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:18:16 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> Message-ID: <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> Just spotted this: > - 32 bit float, 48 KHz I don't have anything with a 32-bit ADC. My H2 goes up to 24 bit (although it can do 96 ksps at this resolution) and the UCA-202 hooked into my laptop only to 16-bit. Do you really require this resolution? I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who doesn't have ADCs with such super-high resolution so maybe you would get more samples submitted with a lower resolution. Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 18:00:56 2008 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:00:56 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > I have had this idea of creating a track with just counting, 1, 2, 3, 4 > and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and Beat Beat Beat since long ... > > and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with > many people, in several languages! > > So that's why I ask you for audio samples of yourself and everyone else > you might get to do it, saying: > A: One Two Three Four > B: One and Two and Three and Four > c: Beat > preferably in your native language. With a tempo of 110 beats per minute > (to be very clear, the "and" has to be between beats ;). > > All files should be: > - WAV or wavpacked > - 32 bit float, 48 KHz > - Trimmed > - Normalized > - Dry > - Explicitly licensed as http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ > or released to the Public Domain > > Please name them as follows: > firstname_lastname_language_count.wav for "One Two Three Fou" > firstname_lastname_language_count_and.wav for "One and Two ..." > firstname_lastname_language_beat.wav for "Beat" > > I _much_ prefer links to uploads over email attachments. Consider using > http://www.getdropbox.com/ if you have no other space. Please mail me > off-list for submissions and on-list for questions. > > > My intention is to offer the result and the material on archive.org. > I also want to submit a version to the > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase > > I can't promise to use all contributions. I will sort out ones that > sound suspiciously different from others claimed to be in the same > language ;) > However, all serious contributors will be given credit. > > I will collect files until the 15th of January! > > > Happy holidays! > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > thorwil's design for free software: > http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > I can do Hungarian, Russian and Uzbek if you can't find native speakers for these. Though there are Russian and Hungarian native speakers on the list, and probably Uzbek/Kyrgyz/Kazakh. Loki From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 23 01:09:59 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:09:59 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <20081223060959.GC22619@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:18:16AM +1030, Matthew Smith wrote: > Just spotted this: > > - 32 bit float, 48 KHz > > I don't have anything with a 32-bit ADC. My H2 goes up to 24 bit > (although it can do 96 ksps at this resolution) and the UCA-202 hooked > into my laptop only to 16-bit. > > Do you really require this resolution? I'm guessing that I'm not the > only one who doesn't have ADCs with such super-high resolution so maybe > you would get more samples submitted with a lower resolution. > 32-bit float is the native resolution of JACK, IIRC. I'd just record on whatever is the highest resolution I can get, then open up the file in Rezound or Ardour or Audacity or whatever, edit accordingly, and then save it out as 32-bit float 48Khz to meet the requirements. -ken From matt at smiffytech.com Tue Dec 23 01:50:00 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:20:00 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <20081223060959.GC22619@aieee.restivo.org> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> <20081223060959.GC22619@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <49508A18.3010903@smiffytech.com> Quoth Ken Restivo at 2008-12-23 16:39... > 32-bit float is the native resolution of JACK, IIRC. > > I'd just record on whatever is the highest resolution I can get, then open up the file in Rezound or Ardour or Audacity or whatever, edit accordingly, and then save it out as 32-bit float 48Khz to meet the requirements. So how would that work? Would the samples then just end up having 0 for the 8 least significant bits? (Assuming I've recorded at 24 bits.) Cheers M From cournape at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 02:50:29 2008 From: cournape at gmail.com (David Cournapeau) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:50:29 +0900 Subject: [LAU] linux audio: confusing as ever In-Reply-To: <20081222140243.71d7b6f1@gmx.at> References: <494E79DF.3080303@andrei.myip.org> <494EDEFA.7080300@gmail.com> <20081222140243.71d7b6f1@gmx.at> Message-ID: <5b8d13220812222350h7e564457sfdad6d9964777eb6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM, wrote: > PA is just another layer > that attempts, among other things, to make things easier for the user. > The problem is: if it doesn't work the way it is intended it's even > more complicated than without PA. This is not alway true: on my ubuntu system, sound used to work (my sound card supports hardware mixing), and on intrepid, it does not. Only solution: killall pulseaudio. Talk about simple. I would be interested to know about PA thoughts about how Ubuntu messed up, though, if you happen to have a link, David From rob at curates-egg.org Tue Dec 23 04:02:37 2008 From: rob at curates-egg.org (rob) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:02:37 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <49508A18.3010903@smiffytech.com> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> <20081223060959.GC22619@aieee.restivo.org> <49508A18.3010903@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <4950A92D.5080006@curates-egg.org> Matthew Smith wrote: > So how would that work? Would the samples then just end up having 0 for > the 8 least significant bits? (Assuming I've recorded at 24 bits.) > If you normalise (as requested) the samples your 16-bit samples will be 'stretched' (in magnitude) to cover the 24-bits spanning 0 to 1 in floating-point - hence those bits will be non-zero. HTH R From matt at smiffytech.com Tue Dec 23 04:12:17 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:42:17 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <4950A92D.5080006@curates-egg.org> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> <20081223060959.GC22619@aieee.restivo.org> <49508A18.3010903@smiffytech.com> <4950A92D.5080006@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <4950AB71.8070506@smiffytech.com> Quoth rob at 2008-12-23 19:32... > If you normalise (as requested) the samples your 16-bit samples will be > 'stretched' (in magnitude) to cover the 24-bits spanning 0 to 1 in > floating-point - hence those bits will be non-zero. Thanks, understood. And you've also answered what would have been my next question - "what is normalise?" Never came across that in my analogue days. -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Dec 23 04:27:42 2008 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:27:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <49500BD8.7080104@smiffytech.com> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> <49500BD8.7080104@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <1230024463.6630.7.camel@charly> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 08:21 +1030, Matthew Smith wrote: > I'll try to get some recorded in the next week or so. Cool :) > Does it have to be recorded using Linux or can I use my H2? (I'd do the > tidying up using Audacity, but wasn't sure if this had to be Linux > end-to-end.) Whatever works for you. Though using Ardour would make it simple regarding the requested format. Can your H2 record at 48 kHz? > What about a vocoded version as well? My (analogue) microphone just > happens to be plugged into the vocoder in put of my MS2000R. (For > natives of the planet KlingKlang ;-) Well, with what I have in mind, I would aim for a "natural" sound for most of the piece, but perhaps try vocoding for the whole thing later on. I wouldn't mind _additional_ processed samples, but might not use them. I would still include them with the other material for download. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ From matt at smiffytech.com Tue Dec 23 04:39:30 2008 From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:09:30 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <1230024463.6630.7.camel@charly> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> <49500BD8.7080104@smiffytech.com> <1230024463.6630.7.camel@charly> Message-ID: <4950B1D2.3050808@smiffytech.com> Quoth Thorsten Wilms at 2008-12-23 19:57... > Whatever works for you. Though using Ardour would make it simple > regarding the requested format. Can your H2 record at 48 kHz? Possibly, but my card (Behringer UC202) only does 16 bit @ 48 kHz. The H2, however, can record WAV at 24 bit @ 48kHz right up to 24 bit @ 96kHz. I'm not all that sure about how good it is to "normalise" 24 bit to 32 bit - that would mean some sort of interpolation and thus introduction of errors. I think I'll just record using the H2, 24 bit @ 48kHz, trim and save. Then I will expand that to 32 bit so you have got the pure and interpolated versions. > Well, with what I have in mind, I would aim for a "natural" sound for > most of the piece, but perhaps try vocoding for the whole thing later > on. I wouldn't mind _additional_ processed samples, but might not use > them. I would still include them with the other material for download. I'll do vocoded ones too, if I have the time. Cheers M -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Dec 23 04:39:31 2008 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:39:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> Message-ID: <1230025171.6630.17.camel@charly> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 10:00 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > I can do Hungarian, Russian and Uzbek if you can't find native > speakers for these. Though there are Russian and Hungarian native > speakers on the list, and probably Uzbek/Kyrgyz/Kazakh. Well, first of all it would be nice to have samples in English from all the countries where it's a first language :) I ask for samples in one's native tongue mainly to be sure to have correct pronunciation. Additional languages are great if you are confident about it. After all, I hope to receive enough material to layer it in most languages. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Tue Dec 23 05:13:29 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:13:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <1230025171.6630.17.camel@charly> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <1230025171.6630.17.camel@charly> Message-ID: <4950B9C9.3050209@free.fr> Thorsten Wilms a ?crit : > On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 10:00 +1100, Loki Davison wrote: > >> I can do Hungarian, Russian and Uzbek if you can't find native >> speakers for these. Though there are Russian and Hungarian native >> speakers on the list, and probably Uzbek/Kyrgyz/Kazakh. > > Well, first of all it would be nice to have samples in English from all > the countries where it's a first language :) > > I ask for samples in one's native tongue mainly to be sure to have > correct pronunciation. Additional languages are great if you are > confident about it. After all, I hope to receive enough material to > layer it in most languages. > > I think of one, the Cap Canaveral counting track: 6... and... 5... and... 4... 3... 2... 1... and he shot off like a rocket. Phil From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Dec 23 05:12:49 2008 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:12:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <4950B1D2.3050808@smiffytech.com> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> <49500BD8.7080104@smiffytech.com> <1230024463.6630.7.camel@charly> <4950B1D2.3050808@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <1230027169.6630.35.camel@charly> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 20:09 +1030, Matthew Smith wrote: > I'm not all that sure about how good it is to "normalise" 24 bit to 32 > bit - that would mean some sort of interpolation and thus introduction > of errors. To normalize doesn't refer to changing bit-depth at all. It's about detecting the loudest sample in a file (or selection), calculating a multiplier that will give it the highest allowed value and then applying this multiplier to all the samples. This is of course neutral at best regarding quality, but makes handling material from many different sources a bit easier. So I hope, at least :) > I think I'll just record using the H2, 24 bit @ 48kHz, trim and save. > Then I will expand that to 32 bit so you have got the pure and > interpolated versions. I asked for 32 bit float mainly to not have people recording with a JACK application submitting exports to an integer bit-rate. I want to avoid conversions and 32 bit float is a given because I will edit in Ardour :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Dec 23 05:52:21 2008 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:52:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <49501930.7020900@smiffytech.com> Message-ID: <4950C2E5.4070009@folkwang-hochschule.de> Matthew Smith wrote: > Just spotted this: >> - 32 bit float, 48 KHz > > I don't have anything with a 32-bit ADC. there are no 32bit ADCs in the world :) it's just that 32bit float @ 48k is a convenient format (since it's JACK's native one). > Do you really require this resolution? I'm guessing that I'm not the > only one who doesn't have ADCs with such super-high resolution so maybe > you would get more samples submitted with a lower resolution. no harm sampling with 16bits. you just save thorsten a bit of work when you convert it... best, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 From fbar at footils.org Tue Dec 23 06:54:31 2008 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:54:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] which USB card with optical out? In-Reply-To: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20081223115431.GD30926@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Gregory Chang hat gesagt: // Gregory Chang wrote: > Now I have completely migrated to Linux (LinuxMint distro) format, but > the TBMA has no linux driver and sound has a annoying clicking sound > (like playing old LP). I don't understand this: If you don't use a driver, how do you get sound even if it's clicking? (The TBMA generally is supported by the snd-usb-audio driver according to The Internets.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__ From noisesmith at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 13:55:49 2008 From: noisesmith at gmail.com (Justin Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:55:49 -0800 Subject: [LAU] which USB card with optical out? In-Reply-To: <20081223115431.GD30926@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1229969454.16493.1291359557@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081223115431.GD30926@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <9e76fbda0812231055i3965cedds85717072c2132b39@mail.gmail.com> I had overlooked this detail before. There is a driver, like Frank said, the snd-usb-audio driver (the one for 99% of usb audio devices with linux). Does the "skipping sound" get worse under higher system load? Try larger buffer size settings in your sound server, and try switching to an RT kernel if you can. Try booting a dyne:bolic livecd and see how your sound card sounds with that system (dyne:bolic is designed for pro audio and ships with a good RT kernel). If your system is producing crappy sound with one usb soundcard, switching to another card is probably not what is going to fix it. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Gregory Chang hat gesagt: // Gregory Chang wrote: > >> Now I have completely migrated to Linux (LinuxMint distro) format, but >> the TBMA has no linux driver and sound has a annoying clicking sound >> (like playing old LP). > > I don't understand this: If you don't use a driver, how do you get > sound even if it's clicking? (The TBMA generally is supported by the > snd-usb-audio driver according to The Internets.) > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__ > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From tapani.sysimetsa at rokki.net Tue Dec 23 14:22:56 2008 From: tapani.sysimetsa at rokki.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tapani_Sysimets=E4?=) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:22:56 +0200 Subject: [LAU] demo song Message-ID: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> Hi, You can find a demo version of Mets?npeitto by following this link and clicking play-button in the player: http://www.kolumbus.fi/sysimetsa/music.html It was done entirely with 64 Studio (Ardour, Qsynth, ZynAddSubFx, Hydrogen, Creox...) Some of the tracks were played with laptop keys (while traveling in Africa), i have to re-play those some day. More songs coming soon... Amazing how much fun one can get out of a laptop, good bunch of Linux audio applications, echo soundcard, one small mic, earphones and children's 1/8 guitar. Tapani From simon at systemparadox.co.uk Tue Dec 23 20:27:33 2008 From: simon at systemparadox.co.uk (Simon Williams) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:27:33 +0000 Subject: [LAU] demo song In-Reply-To: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> References: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> Message-ID: <49519005.1090609@systemparadox.co.uk> Tapani Sysimets? wrote: > Hi, > > You can find a demo version of Mets?npeitto by following this link and > clicking play-button in the player: > > http://www.kolumbus.fi/sysimetsa/music.html > > It was done entirely with 64 Studio (Ardour, Qsynth, ZynAddSubFx, > Hydrogen, Creox...) Some of the tracks were played with laptop keys > (while traveling in Africa), i have to re-play those some day. > > More songs coming soon... Amazing how much fun one can get out of a > laptop, good bunch of Linux audio applications, echo soundcard, one > small mic, earphones and children's 1/8 guitar. Superb. Any chance of a download for it or is that for when it's finished? From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 23 20:38:11 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:38:11 -0800 Subject: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop In-Reply-To: <494FECFC.8030809@free.fr> References: <551089.81187.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20081222180752.GA4109@aieee.restivo.org> <494FECFC.8030809@free.fr> Message-ID: <20081224013811.GC26587@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 08:39:40PM +0100, Philippe Hezaine wrote: > Ken Restivo a ??crit : > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 05:46:09PM +0000, go music wrote: > >> For those of you living in or close to France: > >> > >> The francophone web forum www.linuxmao.org is organizing > > > > I hereby nominate "linuxmao" for the domain name of the year. > > > > -ken, who has been linuxing his ass off for almost a decade now > > Would you compose an hymn in 57/32's time signature for this event? Heh, would love to. Reminds me of the old drummer joke. A young drummer studies for many years with an Indian Tabla master. After some time, the master has to return home to India. The young drummer becomes a famous jazz drummer and tours the world. After many years of touring, he finally gets a gig in his old Tabla master's home town! He writes the master to invite him to the gig, and before the show he peeks out and indeed the tabla master has showed up! The drummer is very nervous playing for his old teacher, but the show otherwise goes well and the master just smiles serenely through the whole set. Backstage after the show, the drummer is happy to greet his old teacher, who is very glad to see him and very proud too. The drummer then nervously asks the tabla master how his playing sounded, and if there is there anything he should work on. And the master replies brightly: "Oh, your playing was very delightful! But you were a little sluggish on the 11 and the 37". Um, rim shot here. It is, however, much funnier if you read the punchline with a subcontinental accent. -ken From simon at systemparadox.co.uk Tue Dec 23 20:35:18 2008 From: simon at systemparadox.co.uk (Simon Williams) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:35:18 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Korg M50 anyone hooked this up to linux? In-Reply-To: <001636283b74cf41e2045de53d4a@google.com> References: <001636283b74cf41e2045de53d4a@google.com> Message-ID: <495191D6.4060802@systemparadox.co.uk> gsking1 at gmail.com wrote: > Hello, > I'm considering buying the Korg M50 (and to a lesser extent the Yamaha MO8). > Anyone hook these up to linux via the built in USB. Good / Bad or any other > issues? > > It also has normal midi in/out which I could use if needed. > > I really don't do much computer midi, but want to keep my options open. > I assume > I might have problems if I try to run the Editor/Librarian (windows/mac) > software under wine, and am not really concerned with that. I am looking for > basic midi music recording and playback from linux (rosegarden, > qtractor, etc.). I have the X50. The editor software didn't used to work in wine, but I think it does now. Haven't got round to trying it myself yet though. As for USB Midi- with Linux it just works. You just need the snd-usb-audio module in your kernel (almost always autoloaded these days). Then it shows up as a standard ALSA midi device. I suggest using qjackctl (even if you aren't using jack) to manage these- it's really good and makes everything make much more sense. I never did manage to get Windows MIDI to work properly. From what I can gather their way of connecting things up is just silly. You won't have any latency issues if you use the USB midi, whereas you might if using ordinary midi connections. From frankpirrone at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 00:44:50 2008 From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:44:50 -0500 Subject: [LAU] demo song In-Reply-To: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> References: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> Message-ID: <4951CC52.8030407@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tapani Sysimets? wrote: > Hi, > > You can find a demo version of Mets?npeitto by following this link and > clicking play-button in the player: > > http://www.kolumbus.fi/sysimetsa/music.html > > It was done entirely with 64 Studio (Ardour, Qsynth, ZynAddSubFx, > Hydrogen, Creox...) Some of the tracks were played with laptop keys > (while traveling in Africa), i have to re-play those some day. > > More songs coming soon... Amazing how much fun one can get out of a > laptop, good bunch of Linux audio applications, echo soundcard, one > small mic, earphones and children's 1/8 guitar. > > Tapani Nice piece of work Tapani! It's provocative and intriguing, nicely played, sung, and put together. Frank -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklRzFIACgkQhIzUKCTXcU2UvACgg8T0grhV1pDf0XS/2/Cb9PzA MrMAnj0L/VCb/YQSj6ro10q5fQJi1SqU =FIN/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Wed Dec 24 05:24:15 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:24:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop In-Reply-To: <20081224013811.GC26587@aieee.restivo.org> References: <551089.81187.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20081222180752.GA4109@aieee.restivo.org> <494FECFC.8030809@free.fr> <20081224013811.GC26587@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <49520DCF.4000702@free.fr> Ken Restivo a ?crit : > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 08:39:40PM +0100, Philippe Hezaine wrote: >> Ken Restivo a ??crit : >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 05:46:09PM +0000, go music wrote: >>>> For those of you living in or close to France: >>>> >>>> The francophone web forum www.linuxmao.org is organizing >>> I hereby nominate "linuxmao" for the domain name of the year. >>> >>> -ken, who has been linuxing his ass off for almost a decade now >> Would you compose an hymn in 57/32's time signature for this event? > > Heh, would love to. > > Reminds me of the old drummer joke. > > A young drummer studies for many years with an Indian Tabla master. After some time, the master has to return home to India. The young drummer becomes a famous jazz drummer and tours the world. After many years of touring, he finally gets a gig in his old Tabla master's home town! He writes the master to invite him to the gig, and before the show he peeks out and indeed the tabla master has showed up! The drummer is very nervous playing for his old teacher, but the show otherwise goes well and the master just smiles serenely through the whole set. > > Backstage after the show, the drummer is happy to greet his old teacher, who is very glad to see him and very proud too. The drummer then nervously asks the tabla master how his playing sounded, and if there is there anything he should work on. And the master replies brightly: "Oh, your playing was very delightful! But you were a little sluggish on the 11 and the 37". > > Um, rim shot here. It is, however, much funnier if you read the punchline with a subcontinental accent. > > -ken > > Great Ken, i love the jokes. But perhaps this one is a half-joke. Do you know there are theoretical patterns of India Tabla with more than 100 beats? I believe nobody learn them by heart however. Merry Christmas. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 14:54:51 2008 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:54:51 -0800 Subject: [LAU] demo song In-Reply-To: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> References: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0812241154x57535333g6ef8195b36aace0f@mail.gmail.com> Listening now, but unfortunately on my laptop speakers so I'll have to listen again when I'm with better equipment. Great music to listen to. Nuku has a great feel about it. Just the sort of thing I tend to drift toward myself. You're now an Artist of Distinction in my iTunes library. Thanks! - Mark On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Tapani Sysimets? wrote: > Hi, > > You can find a demo version of Mets?npeitto by following this link and > clicking play-button in the player: > > http://www.kolumbus.fi/sysimetsa/music.html > > It was done entirely with 64 Studio (Ardour, Qsynth, ZynAddSubFx, > Hydrogen, Creox...) Some of the tracks were played with laptop keys > (while traveling in Africa), i have to re-play those some day. > > More songs coming soon... Amazing how much fun one can get out of a > laptop, good bunch of Linux audio applications, echo soundcard, one > small mic, earphones and children's 1/8 guitar. > > Tapani > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From compose59 at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 17:59:44 2008 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:59:44 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Merry Xmas Message-ID: To the team at LAU, and all the devs and colleagues i've had the privilege to communicate with, and learn from, in this, my first full year of linux use, i'd like to say thanks for the help and encouragement, and i wish you all the very best for the festive season and the year to come. A particular thanks to Dave Phillips who encouraged me to start the linux journey in the first place. (That's right, it's his fault...) Cheers and good health to you all! Alex Stone. p.s. Patrick, i haven't forgotten the quick toots bit, i've been very busy. I'll get to it as soon as i'm able. As is said here in Russia, for this time of year: Snovum Godum! (Happy new year.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081225/3e1936f7/attachment.htm From kevinc at cosgroves.us Wed Dec 24 19:01:00 2008 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:01:00 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Data CD [???] containing WMA files? Message-ID: <20081225000101.4D05DBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> A friend gave me a CD that looks like a data CD. When I mount it there are a collection of WMA files on it. I can list the files, and see their sizes. But, when I try to copy the files onto my hard drive then I get only zero length copies. Using dd I get this error message: Input/output error 0+0 records in 0+0 records out Has anyone seen this? How can I listen to those WMA files? Thanks.... -- Kevin From kevinc at cosgroves.us Wed Dec 24 19:27:43 2008 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:27:43 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Data CD [???] containing WMA files? In-Reply-To: <20081225000101.4D05DBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: <20081225002744.77C8EBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 24 December 2008 at 16:01, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > A friend gave me a CD that looks like a data CD. When I mount it > there are a collection of WMA files on it. I can list the files, > and see their sizes. But, when I try to copy the files onto my > hard drive then I get only zero length copies. Using dd I get > this error message: > > Input/output error > 0+0 records in > 0+0 records out > > Has anyone seen this? How can I listen to those WMA files? Solution: Unmount, eject, insert, remount, all is well. Hmm... -- Kevin From tapani.sysimetsa at rokki.net Thu Dec 25 03:15:27 2008 From: tapani.sysimetsa at rokki.net (=?UTF-8?B?VGFwYW5pIFN5c2ltZXRzw6Q=?=) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:15:27 +0200 Subject: [LAU] demo song In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0812241154x57535333g6ef8195b36aace0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> <5bdc1c8b0812241154x57535333g6ef8195b36aace0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4953411F.3010406@rokki.net> Thanks for your nice feedback, Simon, Frank and Mark! I try to finish Mets?npeitto within couple of weeks, then i'll make it available for download. Season's Greetings, Tapani From tuukka.j at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 04:56:07 2008 From: tuukka.j at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tuukka_J=E4=E4skel=E4inen?=) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:56:07 +0200 Subject: [LAU] demo song In-Reply-To: <4953411F.3010406@rokki.net> References: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> <5bdc1c8b0812241154x57535333g6ef8195b36aace0f@mail.gmail.com> <4953411F.3010406@rokki.net> Message-ID: <1f49e1da0812250156t7f5a10d2uad25ed56d3f50875@mail.gmail.com> I have to say, that this was really awesome track. Very interesting style, would love to have it as a high-quality download. I really have to ask, how have you done the violins / strings in the track "nuku". Especially, what sound libraries have been used? Merry christmas! / Hyv?? joulua! - Tuukka On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Tapani Sysimets? < tapani.sysimetsa at rokki.net> wrote: > Thanks for your nice feedback, Simon, Frank and Mark! > > I try to finish Mets?npeitto within couple of weeks, then i'll make it > available for download. > > Season's Greetings, > > Tapani > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- - Tuukka J. / 100% of Solarians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081225/d3f7dea8/attachment.htm From nescivi at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 06:46:37 2008 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:46:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Livecoding in The Hague - Monday, December 22 In-Reply-To: <494D1609.3010004@gmail.com> References: <888384e60812182140p347540ffhdfc1ac336958b00@mail.gmail.com> <888384e60812190743w6bf9be17nf2d2b5398c261b2f@mail.gmail.com> <494D1609.3010004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812250646.37938.nescivi@gmail.com> Hiho, I did another gig at Kassen's radio show at Radio Tonka, which features a lot of my other music too. The link is here: http://omroep.residentie.net/index.php?id=323&no_cache=1&tx_gsifeuserlist_pi1 [showUid]=94529 Click "Speel dit programma af" (Meaning "play this program"). Confusingly this is a mp3 that encapsulates a MS playlist that in turn contains a mp3. It's a bit dodgy, that system, but VLC is able to deal with it. I think the point of doing it that way is to make sure you can only stream it, not download the file directly. Sigh. The show if presented in English mostly, so most list readers here should be able to follow it. I plan to update my own site over the next two weeks to include more of my music as well... I'll post when that is done. sincerely, Marije On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:58:01 Grammostola Rosea wrote: > nescivi wrote: > > Oh, dear, I forgot to mention it starts at 8pm, and I think we need to > > be out by like midnight or 1am or so (whatever the closing times in > > The Hague are these days...) > > > > And Kassen ("not so much a curator as I'm like the mice dancing on the > > table when the cat's away from home") added: > > 2? at the door but that'll get you a free beer if you're in early. > > > > sincerely, > > Marije > > > > On 12/19/08, nescivi wrote: > >> Hiho, > >> > >> Monday evening, December 22nd, I will be doing a little SuperCollider > >> (on Linux) livecode session, in The Hague, Cafe De Vinger (close to > >> the Stadhuis and Public Library). > >> There will be lots of other interesting music going on by two of my > >> favorite DJ's (both from The Hague) and analog electronic blippo-box > >> improvisation (the evening is curated by Kassen). > >> > >> sincerely, > >> Marije > > Can we find some music of yours on the web? > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user From kevinc at cosgroves.us Thu Dec 25 09:24:55 2008 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:24:55 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Data CD [???] containing WMA files? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081225142456.215E0BE033@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 25 December 2008 at 1:05, "Benny Bergeron" wrote: > Hey Kevin, > Merry Xmas ! Thanks! Same to you. Man, oh man, do kids ever get up early to look in their stockings. Zzzz. > What kind of sound editor software do you have? wma2ogg.pl works pretty well. This also works well: mplayer -vc null -vo null \ -ao pcm:waveheader:fast:file=foo.wav foo.wma > You can grab the songs with your sound editor soft and convert them to the > format of your choice ! Just like above. > Or... You can open, listen to that CD or rip it to your hard drive with win > amp for linux. Amarok also plays them natively, which is fine for me. Cheers.... -- Kevin From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Dec 25 10:29:31 2008 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:29:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] My Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne" releasd under CC by-sa In-Reply-To: <20081107023717.dd070e5b.ilfhi@gmx.de> References: <20081103194022.fabb9363.ilfhi@gmx.de> <20081107023717.dd070e5b.ilfhi@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4953A6DB.1080402@folkwang-hochschule.de> Nils Gey wrote: > Hi folks, > > thanks for the discussion a few days ago. I made up my mind and have > chosen a CC by-sa license for my Album "Laute Minne macht dich hinne" > (try to translate this). > > You can download it for free @ http://www.wargsang.de . Website > avaible in English and German. Maybe you leave a guestbook comment :) hey nils! i just downloaded your EP, and i like it! did you record this with ardour? regards, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 From jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com Thu Dec 25 10:48:01 2008 From: jjbenham at chicagoguitar.com (Jeremiah Benham) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:48:01 -0600 Subject: [LAU] band in a box alternative Message-ID: <5FA305A3-61BA-4E76-9F82-DDEAAE401D1F@chicagoguitar.com> I was looking for a band in the box alternative. My idea so far is to use LeMMA as a front end to MMA. I am lacking a way to loop the chord progressions though. I think maybe a command line midi player that supports looping may work. I tried timidity in --loop mode but it pits a long pause after each loop. I also tried seq24 but I have to set up assign Alsa channels for each track each time. Is there a tight looping midi player or a band in the box alternative! Jeremiah From tapani.sysimetsa at rokki.net Thu Dec 25 11:24:17 2008 From: tapani.sysimetsa at rokki.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tapani_Sysimets=E4?=) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:24:17 +0200 Subject: [LAU] demo song In-Reply-To: <1f49e1da0812250156t7f5a10d2uad25ed56d3f50875@mail.gmail.com> References: <49513A90.2070003@rokki.net> <5bdc1c8b0812241154x57535333g6ef8195b36aace0f@mail.gmail.com> <4953411F.3010406@rokki.net> <1f49e1da0812250156t7f5a10d2uad25ed56d3f50875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4953B3B1.8050201@rokki.net> Tuukka J??skel?inen wrote: > I have to say, that this was really awesome track. Very interesting > style, would love to have it as a high-quality download. > > I really have to ask, how have you done the violins / strings in the > track "nuku". Especially, what sound libraries have been used? THanks! It was Qsynth with Slowstrings of Titanic 200 GMGS soundfont. I don't know if this works: http://instrumentsvirtuels.free.fr/freeware6.htm#titanic (half-way of the page) Last time i checked, it was not permitted to upload Titanic without the creators' approval. Another soundfont I like is PC51f. It is smaller than Titanic, but includes many nice instruments as well. ftp://ftp.personalcopy.net/pub/PC51f.sf2.gz Cheers, Tapani From lazylew at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 12:12:45 2008 From: lazylew at gmail.com (Ludo Beckers) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:12:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] band in a box alternative Message-ID: Do a web-search for "Improvisor" it might be what you want. It's quite similar to BIAB > > > I was looking for a band in the box alternative. My idea so far is to > use LeMMA as a front end to MMA. I am lacking a way to loop the chord > progressions though. I think maybe a command line midi player that > supports looping may work. I tried timidity in --loop mode but it pits > a long pause after each loop. I also tried seq24 but I have to set up > assign Alsa channels for each track each time. Is there a tight > looping midi player or a band in the box alternative! > > Jeremiah > > > > > ---------------------------- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081225/d24c1ed7/attachment.htm From brummer- at web.de Thu Dec 25 12:34:27 2008 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann meyer) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:34:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] band in a box alternative In-Reply-To: <5FA305A3-61BA-4E76-9F82-DDEAAE401D1F@chicagoguitar.com> References: <5FA305A3-61BA-4E76-9F82-DDEAAE401D1F@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <1230226467.3198.15.camel@box> Am Donnerstag, den 25.12.2008, 09:48 -0600 schrieb Jeremiah Benham: > I was looking for a band in the box alternative. My idea so far is to > use LeMMA as a front end to MMA. I am lacking a way to loop the chord > progressions though. I think maybe a command line midi player that > supports looping may work. I tried timidity in --loop mode but it pits > a long pause after each loop. I also tried seq24 but I have to set up > assign Alsa channels for each track each time. Is there a tight > looping midi player or a band in the box alternative! > > Jeremiah > Hello I am just work on a "band in the box" alternative, but it's focus more as a Live Band. It meen Audio_in and Midi_out. I use a pitch tracker, mixed with a Beat detector. You can configure both to get the right point for atack the Beat and grep the Note. Then you have 3 Channel's witch you can configure for channel, program, oktave and the sensity, that meen's how fast the Note for the channel will read and send after the beat detector have emit a signal. I use it for drum's in fast mode, sitar in middle mode and kalimba in slow mode, that's my band. :D You see it's a completely different style, so I dont know if it help's you ? If you wont to try it, you can get it here: http://guitarix.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/guitarix/ regards hermann From hollunder at gmx.at Thu Dec 25 12:35:35 2008 From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:35:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] linuxmao.org Linux Audio Party and Workshop In-Reply-To: <20081224013811.GC26587@aieee.restivo.org> References: <551089.81187.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20081222180752.GA4109@aieee.restivo.org> <494FECFC.8030809@free.fr> <20081224013811.GC26587@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20081225183535.5ad160d7@gmx.at> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:38:11 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 08:39:40PM +0100, Philippe Hezaine wrote: > > Ken Restivo a ??crit : > > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 05:46:09PM +0000, go music wrote: > > >> For those of you living in or close to France: > > >> > > >> The francophone web forum www.linuxmao.org is organizing > > > > > > I hereby nominate "linuxmao" for the domain name of the year. > > > > > > -ken, who has been linuxing his ass off for almost a decade now > > > > Would you compose an hymn in 57/32's time signature for this event? > > Heh, would love to. > > Reminds me of the old drummer joke. > > A young drummer studies for many years with an Indian Tabla master. > After some time, the master has to return home to India. The young > drummer becomes a famous jazz drummer and tours the world. After many > years of touring, he finally gets a gig in his old Tabla master's > home town! He writes the master to invite him to the gig, and before > the show he peeks out and indeed the tabla master has showed up! The > drummer is very nervous playing for his old teacher, but the show > otherwise goes well and the master just smiles serenely through the > whole set. > > Backstage after the show, the drummer is happy to greet his old > teacher, who is very glad to see him and very proud too. The drummer > then nervously asks the tabla master how his playing sounded, and if > there is there anything he should work on. And the master replies > brightly: "Oh, your playing was very delightful! But you were a > little sluggish on the 11 and the 37". > > Um, rim shot here. It is, however, much funnier if you read the > punchline with a subcontinental accent. > > -ken Guess I have to ask an Indian neighbour to say that for me next time he's here, really don't get it.. From rncbc at rncbc.org Thu Dec 25 14:15:05 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:15:05 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qtractor 0.3.0 (fluffy doll) released! Message-ID: <4953DBB9.1020005@rncbc.org> Merry season greetings! After a very long quarantine period, and while after the last Flirty Ditz romance, this pet has calmly bumped a few more steps ahead. Please welcome, my Christmas present to y'all, Qtractor 0.3.0 (fluffy doll) has been released! Same old intro follows: Qtractor is an audio/MIDI multi-track sequencer application, written in C++ on top of Qt Software's Qt4 framework, having JACK and ALSA as its main infrastructures and Linux as native and exclusive platform. Specially suited to the lone-wolf composer, arranger and (re)creative music-maker personal home-studio, it still hopes to evolve as a fairly featured desktop audio/MIDI workstation or at least, a prototypical part of it ;) Release highlights: * Paste-Repeat command. (NEW) * Punch in/out recording. (NEW) * Session/project template support. (NEW) * Current track auto-monitoring. (NEW) * MIDI buses now supporting multi-timbral instrument plug-ins. (NEW) * Individual clip gain/volume, normalize and audio/MIDI file export. (NEW) * Copy/paste to desktop environment clipboard. (NEW) * and many, many fixes and new bugs ;) Website: http://qtractor.sourceforge.net Project page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor Downloads: - source tarball http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.3.0.tar.gz - user manual http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.3.0-user-manual.pdf Weblog (think upstream support): http://www.rncbc.org License: Qtractor is free, open-source software, distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later. Features: - Multi-track audio and MIDI sequencing and recording. - Developed on pure Qt4 C++ application framework (no Qt3 nor KDE dependencies). - Uses JACK for audio and ALSA sequencer for MIDI as multimedia infrastructures. - Traditional multi-track tape recorder control paradigm. - Audio file formats support: OGG (via libvorbis), MP3 (via libmad, playback only), WAV, FLAC, AIFF and many, many more (via libsndfile). - Standard MIDI files support (SMF format 0 and 1). - Non-destructive, non-linear editing. - Unlimited number of tracks per session/project. - Unlimited number of overlapping clips per track. - XML encoded session/project description file. - Point-and-click, multi-select, drag-and-drop interaction (drag, move, drop, cut, copy, paste, delete, split) - Unlimited undo/redo. - Built-in mixer and monitor controls. - Built-in connection patchbay control and persistence (a-la QjackCtl). - LADSPA, DSSI and native VST plug-ins support. - Unlimited number of plug-ins per track or bus. - Plug-in presets, programs and chunk/configurations support. - Audio/MIDI clip fade-in/out (linear, quadratic, cubic). - Audio/MIDI clip gain/volume, normalize and export. - Audio clip time-stretching (WSOLA-like or via librubberband), pitch-shifting (also via librubberband) and seamless sample-rate conversion (via libsamplerate). - Audio/MIDI track export (mix-down, merge). - Audio/MIDI metronome bar/beat clicks. - MIDI clip editor (matrix/piano roll). - MIDI instrument definitions (a-la Cakewalk(tm)) - JACK transport sync master. - MMC control surface enabled. - Configurable keyboard shortcuts. Change-log: - Almost complete rewrite of the plugin configuration and parameter initialization logic. - MIDI bank/program selection is now taken into account on plugins initialization and replication. - Fixed initial parameter values for native VST plugins. - Track form plugin lists are now properly (re)initialized when track type changes. - Generic plugin forms now have the option to show/hide the parameter widgets through the new "Params" button. - New auto-monitor toggle option (menu Track/Auto Monitor): the current selected track is now set on monitor and MIDI channel omni-mode automagically, as a convenient workflow feature (kindly suggested by Holborn). - MIDI clip editor Tools menu is not disabled anymore when there's no selection, drop-down menu items are instead. - Make all recorded clips to honor either the punch-out or play-head accumulated position; resolve all pending MIDI sequence note events on record stop/close. - Major silent move: audio plugins chain are now applied in a pre-fader/meter basis as is usually implied from the mixer strip layout ie. signal flows from the top to the bottom. - All MIDI buses may now have plugins inserted so that multi-timbral synth/sampler plugins get driven to their fullness. - MIDI track plugin's dedicated audio output bus may now be effective, as it seems, good old master audio output bus was being used, no matter what. - Paste-repeat command has been introduced, now allowing to replicate and concatenate the clipboard contents over the time-line, with a given repeat-count and optional period (see menu Edit/Paste Repeat... on the main and MIDI clip editor windows). - Normalize tool on MIDI clip editor got rewritten from its previous brain dead, useless and utterly wrong operation. - All time offsets and lengths are now zero-bar/beat based when displayed in the BBT (bar.beat.ticks) format. - MMC STEP gets adjusted to current snap-per-beat setting. - Fixed broken initial buffering that was randomly crippling those audio clips that fit integrally in cached and while on playback. - Fix initialization of multiple instances of DSSI plugins which implement run_multiple_synths (eg. fluidsynth-dssi), preventing an instant crash on activation. - Exclude deprecated VST elements from compilation. - Export tracks dialog has new punch in/out range option. - Somehow realized that looping and punch-recording are two mutually exclusive states, at least until loop recording (ie. takes) gets real. - Fixed bug #2249291 - Crash on tempo change; affecting the WSOLA based time-stretching on all non-stereo audio clips. - Incomplete audio peaks were being cached prematurely, fixed. - Make way for paste/dropping items from the system clipboard over the main track view. Cut/Copy/Paste/Delete of file items have now this workaround fixed, wrt. Files widget keyboard shortcuts, respectively. - Clip gain/volume propriety is now in place and reflected in audio clip waveform drawing in particular. - A new hideous progress bar is now lurking in the main status line, as found convenient to display progress of the also new clip tools (normalize, export, etc.). - Clip normalize tool is now available (Edit/Clip/Normalise). - Audio and MIDI clip file export is now available as a tool (see Edit/Clip/Export...). - Punch in/out (range) recording is now in experimental shape, with minimal settings and functionality, already accessible through the main menus, transport toolbars and visible on main tracks view and MIDI editors as magenta colored line markers. - External MIDI control events for channel volume (7) and channel panning (10) are now handled properly through session tracks. - Session file templates make its debut with new usability option, on whether new sessions are created based on existing template file (see View/Options.../Display/Session/New session template; nb. session templates are just regular session files but loaded and saved with no media content (no clips nor files). - Grayed/disabled palette color group fix for dark color themes. - Implicit attempt to flush all pending notes for some, if not most plugin instruments (eg. VSTi), on playback stop. - Fait-divers: desktop menu file touched to openSUSE conventions. - Internal refactoring alert: Session and Options instances are now being redesigned as singletons, preparing to get out of the way from the master GUI/MainForm instance. - Clip drawing methods refactored so let the fade-in/out handles get seen with transparency over the clip graphics content. - Reset and continue looping even still when continue past end transport option is not set and playback is rolling. Hope it makes through a Happy New Year with flying colors ;) Cheers && Enjoy! -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From kritek at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 16:16:22 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:16:22 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd, libasound_module_pcm_jack.so, custom pcm devices in asoundrc Message-ID: Hi folks...Once upon a time, using Ubuntu Edgy, and rebuilding libasound2 plugins to include libasound_module_pcm_jack.so, I was able to successfully use skype with jack, using a custom pcm device specified in .asoundrc: pcm.skype { type plug slave { pcm "configvoip" } } pcm.configvoip { type jack playback_ports { 0 system:playback_1 1 system:playback_2 } capture_ports { 0 system:capture_1 1 system:capture_1 } } The sound card in question is an M-Audio Delta 44 (ice1712). The above configuration worked flawlessly, but due to issues with other sound applications using jack, I was forced to attempt various upgrades of jack, alsa, kernels, and even distributions. Eventually I settled on Debian Lenny, which includes the alsa jack pcm plugin by default, unlike Ubuntu, and now have few if any issues with jack-capable sounds apps. However, I cannot use skype with the above configuration on any consistent basis because for reasons unknown, when I make a skype call, and the alsa jack plugin is invoked, that thread may last a few seconds, the thread dies, and crashes jackd in doing so. Currently I'm using a custom RT kernel, 2.6.26.8-rt12-daw1, and stock versions of alsa*/jack* that Debian Lenny uses as of todays date. alsa-base: 1.0.17dfsg-4 libasound2: 1.0.16-2 libasound2-plugins: 1.0.16-1+b1 libjack: 0.109.2-3 jackd: 0.109.2-3 skype: 1.4.0.118 (yes, I tried 2.x and got same result) So, some questions. How would I go about troubleshooting the cause of the dying thread, and subsequent crashing of jackd? How do I determine the alsa version of the ice1712 driver used in kernel 2.6.28.8, alsa website shows 1.0.18a as current driver version. I can play 16 bit 44k1 wav files fine using aplay -D skype /path/to/file, from jack_lsp: alsa-jack.configvoipP.18769.0:out_000 alsa-jack.configvoipP.18769.0:out_001 Any thoughts, directions, etc would be greatly appreciated, thanks. -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From kritek at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 16:18:20 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:18:20 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Addendum to last email Message-ID: When I ^C'd aplay, jack crashed :( -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From bob at mellowood.ca Thu Dec 25 16:46:35 2008 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:46:35 -0700 Subject: [LAU] band in a box alternative In-Reply-To: <5FA305A3-61BA-4E76-9F82-DDEAAE401D1F@chicagoguitar.com> References: <5FA305A3-61BA-4E76-9F82-DDEAAE401D1F@chicagoguitar.com> Message-ID: <4953FF3B.90005@mellowood.ca> Not exactly sure what you are trying to do ... but, MMA is not designed for looping. But, it is pretty easy to put some repeat/repeatend markers in MMA source and have that loop ... send me mail if you need more MMA help. I just did a brief test with MMA and timidity --loop ... and yes, this doesn't work. There is a pause in the playing even though the MMA generated midi is exactly (in this case) 2 bars long. However, I know I helped someone else get looping with seq24 working. The trick was to use the SYNCHRONIZE options in MMA to force all the tracks to the same length. Reports I received back were positive. Send me PM if you need or help, or visit the MMA forum (there is a link on the main mma web page). Hope this helps. Jeremiah Benham wrote: > I was looking for a band in the box alternative. My idea so far is to > use LeMMA as a front end to MMA. I am lacking a way to loop the chord > progressions though. I think maybe a command line midi player that > supports looping may work. I tried timidity in --loop mode but it pits > a long pause after each loop. I also tried seq24 but I have to set up > assign Alsa channels for each track each time. Is there a tight > looping midi player or a band in the box alternative! -- **** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Dec 27 16:18:55 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:18:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Cannot Find Video Stream (xjadeo) Message-ID: <87y6y12u68.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Having real fun with video lately and we definitely need jack-video;). We also lack a graphics users list. I have problems with xjadeo. No matter what video I try to play, it always prints out: Cannot find a video stream in file . This even with the supplied test avi file or any file I throw at it. All files are playable in players, such as mplayer. I have FFmpeg-GIT. I've tried both xjadeo release and xjadeo-SVN. -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Dec 27 16:34:56 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:34:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> (Robin Gareus's message of "Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:33:18 +0100") References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> Message-ID: <87prjd2tfj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Robin Gareus writes: > see https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5863567 - this > got fixed a while ago in the SVN repo but there has not been a new > release since. I had to edit all the makefiles, cause this is not where my headers are placed. In the makefile it says: FFMPEG_CFLAGS = -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libavcodec -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libavformat -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libavutil -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libswscale , but missing where I have my headers: -I/usr/include/ffmpeg -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From holborn at telefonica.net Sat Dec 27 20:32:04 2008 From: holborn at telefonica.net (Josep Andreu) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:32:04 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site Message-ID: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> Hi I have start a new project, a set of audio plugins, the first idea is port all the ZynAddSubFx effects to LADSPA and add my small contibution with some others. I have been ported yet the Chorus,Alienwah, Reverb, Phaser and EQ Zyn effects..... and some more ...all the plugins are in individual libs that you need to compile separated, that was the first idea in order make easy to revise the code, if someone wants to do. No tarballs are relased at this momment ... only CVS access. Also RDF files are not available and any kind of help to create is welcome in this regard, rt problems or comments are welcome, please check in: http://holap.berlios.de Josep Andreu From perodog at gmx.net Sat Dec 27 23:34:48 2008 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:34:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <495701E8.5080902@gmx.net> Josep Andreu wrote: > Hi > > I have start a new project, a set of audio plugins, the first idea is port all the ZynAddSubFx effects to LADSPA > and add my small contibution with some others. > > I have been ported yet the Chorus,Alienwah, Reverb, Phaser and EQ Zyn effects..... and some more ...all the > plugins are in individual libs that you need to compile separated, that was the first idea in order make easy to > revise the code, if someone wants to do. No tarballs are relased at this momment ... only CVS access. > Also RDF files are not available and any kind of help to create is welcome in this regard, rt problems or > comments are welcome, please check in: > > http://holap.berlios.de > > Josep Andreu > > > hallo josep, very much thanks to your effort of porting this stuff to a ladspa! unfortunately i can not report good from here, because all the 8 plugins give here the same error when running make: Making all in src make[2]: Entering directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/ladspa/holap/zynreverb/src' if /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -fPIC -DPIC -Wall -pipe -msse -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -O2 -Wall -ffunction-sections -fomit-frame-pointer -c -MT zynreverb.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/zynreverb.Tpo" -c -o zynreverb.lo zynreverb.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/zynreverb.Tpo" ".deps/zynreverb.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/zynreverb.Tpo"; exit 1; fi ../libtool: line 467: CDPATH: command not found ../libtool: line 1145: func_opt_split: command not found libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-1, but the libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from an older release. libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-1 libtool: and run autoconf again. make[2]: *** [zynreverb.lo] Fehler 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/ladspa/holap/zynreverb/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/nowhiskey/software/nove/ladspa/holap/zynreverb' make: *** [all] Fehler 2 i am running debian testing here, with gcc version 4.3.2. libtool is actually v1.5.26-4. if you have any clues what's going wrong here, please help! cheers, doc From bernie.arai at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 02:25:00 2008 From: bernie.arai at gmail.com (bernie arai) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:25:00 -0800 Subject: [LAU] common music? Message-ID: is anyone using rick taube's common music on ubuntu? i just get a segfault with no other info when i try to run cm.sh and the install notes don't offer any "when things go wrong" help... i have no idea what to try next. (trying to) use cm 2.10.0 on ubuntu hardy... thanks in advance bernie From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 05:59:13 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:59:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <49575C01.5000509@gmail.com> Josep Andreu wrote: > Hi > > I have start a new project, a set of audio plugins, the first idea is port all the ZynAddSubFx effects to LADSPA > and add my small contibution with some others. > > I have been ported yet the Chorus,Alienwah, Reverb, Phaser and EQ Zyn effects..... and some more ...all the > plugins are in individual libs that you need to compile separated, that was the first idea in order make easy to > revise the code, if someone wants to do. No tarballs are relased at this momment ... only CVS access. > Also RDF files are not available and any kind of help to create is welcome in this regard, rt problems or > comments are welcome, please check in: > > http://holap.berlios.de > > Josep Andreu > > As a noob, may I ask why LADSPA and not LV2? From holborn at telefonica.net Sun Dec 28 07:21:49 2008 From: holborn at telefonica.net (Josep Andreu) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:21:49 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <495701E8.5080902@gmx.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> <495701E8.5080902@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20081228122149.99626971.holborn@telefonica.net> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:34:48 +0100 Dragan Noveski wrote: Hi > i am running debian testing here, with gcc version 4.3.2. libtool is > actually v1.5.26-4. I use libtool 2.2.6a-1 that comes with debian experimental, maybe you can install this version, hope .that does not have many dependencies. Or maybe I need to include the libtool file in the cvs tree, I really don't know ... Josep -- Josep Andreu From holborn at telefonica.net Sun Dec 28 07:27:48 2008 From: holborn at telefonica.net (Josep Andreu) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:27:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <49575C01.5000509@gmail.com> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> <49575C01.5000509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081228122748.47bf0e1b.holborn@telefonica.net> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:59:13 +0100 Grammostola Rosea wrote: > As a noob, may I ask why LADSPA and not LV2? >From noob to noob: First: because I don't know nothing about LV2. Second: because all the programs that I use accepts LADSPA plugins. Third: I'm slow. I try to go step by step ..... be patience. Josep -- Josep Andreu From perodog at gmx.net Sun Dec 28 09:01:03 2008 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:01:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <20081228123345.07ec5017.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> <495701E8.5080902@gmx.net> <20081228123345.07ec5017.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <4957869F.7060802@gmx.net> Josep Andreu wrote: > Hi. > > I attach to this message the libtool file .... you need to copy this file to the cvs sources, in the root directory of each plugin before run autogen.sh, > try to do that ... and maybe run, I don't know .. but if you try that and runs signifies that I need to put this file on the CVS tree. > Please let me know ... > > > Josep > > > > hallo josep, copying the attached libtool did not helped - still got the same error. yes, i did removed the hole holborn dir first and did an fresh cvs co. how ever, installing the libtool from experimental was just as easy as downloading the .deb file and typing sudo dpkg -i .... than everything was ok and the plugins are compilig! what to say, i did not experiment very much until now with them, but i am impressed of the sounds!! the 3band eq is just so great, but the other plugins too. only the harmonizer...i still did not tried the midi trick explained in the README file, but with just running it in the jack-dssi-host and connecting to a mono voice track into ardour via insert gives a strange sound which is not satisfactory, since it sound clipped and not harmonized. sorry for this statement. peraps it has to do with the fact, that jackd in the moment here is compiled with debuging symbols, because of debuging some stuff with the ardour people on the irc. so as soon i have time, i ll recompile jackd and try again, as well as i wanna try that midi trick! but for now -- thanks again for the 7 new plugins in our ladspa suite!! cheers, doc From robin at gareus.org Sun Dec 28 10:37:39 2008 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:37:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Cannot Find Video Stream (xjadeo) In-Reply-To: <87y6y12u68.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <87y6y12u68.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <49579D43.7090203@gareus.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Esben Stien wrote: > Having real fun with video lately and we definitely need > jack-video;). We also lack a graphics users list. > > I have problems with xjadeo. > > No matter what video I try to play, it always prints out: > > Cannot find a video stream in file . xjadeo is very limited on that account. It always takes the first video stream it can find in the file. You can patch xjadeo.c in line 755 or re-encode the file eg. with `ffmpeg -i .. -map 1:0 ..` > This even with the supplied test avi file or any file I throw at > it. All files are playable in players, such as mplayer. oops. that's bad then. Maybe you're missing the w32codecs package and got a custom linked mplayer?! - does ./ffplay from your FFmpeg-git play it? What does `xjinfo xjadeo-example.avi` say? and `ldd $(which xjadeo)` > I have FFmpeg-GIT. Where's that? I'm still stuck with svn for ffmpeg; but I guess the source code is identical. I just tested with all three of ffmpeg-svn ev16370, debian-lenny (libavcodec1d) and debian-sid+marillat (libavcodec52) and can not reproduce the problem. To test with ffmpeg-svn without installing it I statically linked xjadeo using gcc-4.3.2. see the log below. > I've tried both xjadeo release and xjadeo-SVN. use the SVN. ..should that not work out, you can try fi. openmovieeditor.org or lives.sf.net to synchronize video to jack. However I'd like to get to the bottom of this problem if you don't mind. HTH, robin - -=-=-=-=-= SRC=/usr/src/ cd $SRC/svn/ffmpeg/ svn up # svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk ./configure --enable-x11grab --enable-swscale --enable-nonfree - --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-avfilter --enable-bzlib - --enable-libdc1394 --enable-libdirac --enable-libfaac - --enable-libfaad --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libtheora - --enable-libvorbis --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid --enable-zlib make # gather ffmpeg compile flags from $SRC/svn/ffmpeg/*.pc FFMPEGFLAGS=" -lz -lbz2 -lm -ldirac_decoder -ldirac_encoder -lfaac - -lfaad -lmp3lame -lm -ltheora -logg -lvorbisenc -lvorbis -logg -lx264 - -lm -lxvidcore -ldc1394 -lraw1394 -ldl -ldl -lX11 -lXext" cd $SRC/svn/xjadeo/ svn up # https://xjadeo.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xjadeo/trunk ./configure --with-ffmpegprefix=$SRC/svn/ffmpeg/ - --with-ffmpegldadd="$FFMPEGFLAGS" # --disable-qtgui make ./src/xjadeo/xjadeo -V xjadeo version 0.4.5 svn-159 [ alsa-midi LASH ] compiled with LIBAVFORMAT_BUILD 0x341701 = 3413761 displays: Xv X11/imlib2(RGBA32) # start jackd ./src/xjadeo/xjadeo contrib/xjadeo-example.avi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklXnUMACgkQeVUk8U+VK0KnSACfcwx15EXf45QRghwMHa+WxWSU 3LgAoLRYiNr4K0lk4EyNxZ0vjMS3D5Mx =Wqir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin at gareus.org Sun Dec 28 10:58:34 2008 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:58:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem to compile xjadeo In-Reply-To: <87prjd2tfj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <494FA950.2040306@free.fr> <494FC14E.8050708@gareus.org> <87prjd2tfj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <4957A22A.8020302@gareus.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Esben Stien wrote: > Robin Gareus writes: > >> see https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5863567 - this >> got fixed a while ago in the SVN repo but there has not been a new >> release since. > > I had to edit all the makefiles, cause this is not where my headers > are placed. > > In the makefile it says: > > FFMPEG_CFLAGS = -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libavcodec > -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libavformat -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libavutil > -I/usr/include/ffmpeg//libswscale > > , but missing where I have my headers: > > -I/usr/include/ffmpeg > thanks; that may help others, who are using the same distribution as you are. The *new* ffmpeg style is to have them in subfolders: $ ls /usr/include/ffmpeg/ libavcodec libavformat libavutil libswscale The proper way would be to use #include instead of #include in the sources. However xjadeo has some history and supports various "ffmpeg snapshots" made by various distributions from CCRMA, SuSE, debian-multimedia, marrilat, etc - cleaning this up is no fun. Given that I work on (and with) xjadeo's successor for about half a year now the chances that it'll get fixed are rather slim. (besides: your trick would no longer work) If you install the latest ffmpeg (r16370) to /usr/ - xjadeo's ./configure script will automatically pick it up via pkginfo. You can also set the PKG_CONFIG_PATH env variable to where you installed ffmpeg before compiling (and LD_CONFIG_PATH or /etc/ld.so.conf before running) xjadeo. - If that does not work it's worth fixing. cheers, robin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklXoioACgkQeVUk8U+VK0JM/wCgogeTN2O5sNuQdtr+X3JUGYm0 3AgAniyd1wY2iwqdYCysjRIGIMXmQKgT =AN4L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From holborn at telefonica.net Sun Dec 28 12:35:10 2008 From: holborn at telefonica.net (Josep Andreu) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:35:10 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <4957869F.7060802@gmx.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> <495701E8.5080902@gmx.net> <20081228123345.07ec5017.holborn@telefonica.net> <4957869F.7060802@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20081228173510.1eabdd8e.holborn@telefonica.net> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:01:03 +0100 Dragan Noveski wrote: Hi > only the harmonizer...i still did not tried the midi trick explained in > the README file, but with just running it in the jack-dssi-host and > connecting to a mono voice track into ardour via insert gives a strange > sound which is not satisfactory, since it sound clipped and not harmonized. Oops ... my mistake ... I forget something .... try to updating the cvs :-) Josep -- Josep Andreu From rncbc at rncbc.org Sun Dec 28 13:01:01 2008 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:01:01 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <4957BEDD.1060809@rncbc.org> Josep Andreu wrote: > Hi > > I have start a new project, a set of audio plugins, the first idea is port all the ZynAddSubFx effects to LADSPA > and add my small contibution with some others. > > I have been ported yet the Chorus,Alienwah, Reverb, Phaser and EQ Zyn effects..... and some more ...all the > plugins are in individual libs that you need to compile separated, that was the first idea in order make easy to > revise the code, if someone wants to do. No tarballs are relased at this momment ... only CVS access. > Also RDF files are not available and any kind of help to create is welcome in this regard, rt problems or > comments are welcome, please check in: > > http://holap.berlios.de > > Josep Andreu > Josep, your code still makes use of the _init() and _fini() entries which are considered obsolete and dangerous. for instance on my opensuse11.1 boxes those lead as duplicate defs on all your ladspa plugins. you should use __attribute__((constructor)) and __attribute__((destructor)) function attributes instead--have a look on the gcc docs. attached you'll find the cvs diff that i needed to apply and make it build for me. cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: holap-cvs.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 11578 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081228/b66e1ca7/attachment.bin From perodog at gmx.net Sun Dec 28 14:50:27 2008 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:50:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <20081228173510.1eabdd8e.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> <495701E8.5080902@gmx.net> <20081228123345.07ec5017.holborn@telefonica.net> <4957869F.7060802@gmx.net> <20081228173510.1eabdd8e.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <4957D883.4020904@gmx.net> Josep Andreu wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:01:03 +0100 > Dragan Noveski wrote: > > Hi > > >> only the harmonizer...i still did not tried the midi trick explained in >> the README file, but with just running it in the jack-dssi-host and >> connecting to a mono voice track into ardour via insert gives a strange >> sound which is not satisfactory, since it sound clipped and not harmonized. >> > > > Oops ... my mistake ... I forget something .... try to updating the cvs :-) > > Josep > > > > > wow! this really is a fun now! thanks for the update...(i recompiled only the harmonizer now, thinking that in the other plugins nothing changed?) cheers, doc From renato.fabbri at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 16:14:54 2008 From: renato.fabbri at gmail.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:14:54 -0200 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <4957D883.4020904@gmx.net> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> <495701E8.5080902@gmx.net> <20081228123345.07ec5017.holborn@telefonica.net> <4957869F.7060802@gmx.net> <20081228173510.1eabdd8e.holborn@telefonica.net> <4957D883.4020904@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1f50cb500812281314s64d1c1eh1ec303685c0c6439@mail.gmail.com> in case it helps, this are starting lv2 plugins using lv2-c++-tools from Lars: svn co http://svn.assembla.com/svn/audioexperiments/lv2tutorial and white/pink/brown (Brownian) noise: svn co http://svn.assembla.com/svn/audioexperiments/lv2plugs I apologise for the unpolished work, ongoing stuff... and i have to write this list about some issues on these plugins... Anyway, there i find there some straight forward reusable code. enjoy, o_o O O o_o 2008/12/28 Dragan Noveski : > Josep Andreu wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:01:03 +0100 >> Dragan Noveski wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >>> only the harmonizer...i still did not tried the midi trick explained in >>> the README file, but with just running it in the jack-dssi-host and >>> connecting to a mono voice track into ardour via insert gives a strange >>> sound which is not satisfactory, since it sound clipped and not harmonized. >>> >> >> >> Oops ... my mistake ... I forget something .... try to updating the cvs :-) >> >> Josep >> >> >> >> >> > wow! > this really is a fun now! > thanks for the update...(i recompiled only the harmonizer now, thinking > that in the other plugins nothing changed?) > > cheers, > doc > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From holborn at telefonica.net Sun Dec 28 19:19:35 2008 From: holborn at telefonica.net (Josep Andreu) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:19:35 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New plugin site In-Reply-To: <4957BEDD.1060809@rncbc.org> References: <20081228013204.0d77f106.holborn@telefonica.net> <4957BEDD.1060809@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <20081229001935.47659a0c.holborn@telefonica.net> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:01:01 +0000 Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > your code still makes use of the _init() and _fini() entries which are > considered obsolete and dangerous. for instance on my opensuse11.1 boxes > those lead as duplicate defs on all your ladspa plugins. you should use > __attribute__((constructor)) and __attribute__((destructor)) function > attributes instead--have a look on the gcc docs. > > attached you'll find the cvs diff that i needed to apply and make it > build for me. > Many thanks .... :-) -- Josep Andreu From stephen_nesbitt at alumni.cmc.edu Mon Dec 29 12:08:03 2008 From: stephen_nesbitt at alumni.cmc.edu (Stephen Nesbitt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:08:03 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Kubuntu Intrepid & recent versions of Ardour Message-ID: <200812290908.03376.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> All: I am running Kubuntu Intrepid and have installed the ubuntu-studio metapackage. Right now my installed Ardour version is 2.5. Is there a deb package for 2.6 or 2.7 or am I stuck compiling my own? Thanks, -steve From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Mon Dec 29 12:11:49 2008 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:11:49 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Kubuntu Intrepid & recent versions of Ardour In-Reply-To: <200812290908.03376.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> References: <200812290908.03376.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> Message-ID: <495904D5.1060404@quirq.ukfsn.org> There's a deb of 2.7.1 available here: http://www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=ardour Q Stephen Nesbitt wrote: > All: > > I am running Kubuntu Intrepid and have installed the ubuntu-studio > metapackage. Right now my installed Ardour version is 2.5. Is there a deb > package for 2.6 or 2.7 or am I stuck compiling my own? > > Thanks, > > -steve From stephen_nesbitt at alumni.cmc.edu Mon Dec 29 12:24:01 2008 From: stephen_nesbitt at alumni.cmc.edu (Stephen Nesbitt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:24:01 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Best setup for sound recording under Intrepid Message-ID: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> All: In this maillist I have seen a lot of warning that realtime is broken in Intrepid. Ok that's understandable if not wonderful :-) But the question is then if one is running Intrepid what is the proper setup? I'm looking for something like "The (almost) Perfect Sound Recording Setup for Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex". This is information I haven't seen and given the number of questions in reference to Intrepid being asked on this list, one that might be valuable. The fundamental requirement is that one is running Intrepid as one's main system. Replacing Intrepid with Hardy is not an option. Here are some possibilities that have crossed my mind: 1) Setup a dual boot Hardy/Intrepid system - doable but a pain because of 1) the need to reboot and 2) the potential loss of access to one's standard home directory, tools, email and system configuration. 2) Use Intrepid despite not having access to a realtime kernel. In this case information on realistic expectations on latency, how to best configure Jack to limit xruns, etc would be very nice. In other words, can Intrepid even be used as a base for music recording and what are the gotchas (if any)? 3) Run Hardy based studio as a guest OS in vmware or VirtualBox. I don't even know if this is possible? What does it mean to run a guest OS in a realtime environment when the host is not? And even if that isn't a problem, how does one configure the sound system? For instance how do I get the guest system to recognize my Delta 44 card? Or PulseAudio? Thanks in advance! -steve From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Dec 29 13:14:04 2008 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:14:04 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Best setup for sound recording under Intrepid In-Reply-To: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> References: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> Message-ID: <4959136C.8010500@woh.rr.com> Stephen Nesbitt wrote: > In this maillist I have seen a lot of warning that realtime is broken in > Intrepid. Ok that's understandable if not wonderful :-) > > I'm using 8.10 on my notebook, an HP G60-125NR. By my experience, Intrepid is a mixed blessing. Btw, I'm using the Molnar patched rt-kernel. > But the question is then if one is running Intrepid what is the proper setup? > I'm looking for something like "The (almost) Perfect Sound Recording Setup > for Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex". This is information I haven't seen and given the > number of questions in reference to Intrepid being asked on this list, one > that might be valuable. > > The fundamental requirement is that one is running Intrepid as one's main > system. Replacing Intrepid with Hardy is not an option. > > Is this system on a notebook or desktop box ? Perhaps you'll do better on a desktop machine, but I would not recommend using Intrepid as a production system on a notebook. > Here are some possibilities that have crossed my mind: > 1) Setup a dual boot Hardy/Intrepid system - doable but a pain because of 1) > the need to reboot and 2) the potential loss of access to one's standard home > directory, tools, email and system configuration. > > It's the safest route though. > 2) Use Intrepid despite not having access to a realtime kernel. In this case > information on realistic expectations on latency, how to best configure Jack to > limit xruns, etc would be very nice. In other words, can Intrepid even be used > as a base for music recording and what are the gotchas (if any)? > Frankly, I have so many non-audio related problems with Intrepid that I can't recommend it at all. See this Ubuntu users forum for more opnions re: 8.10 : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963853 Best, dp From jh at brainiac.com Mon Dec 29 13:48:54 2008 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:48:54 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Best setup for sound recording under Intrepid In-Reply-To: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> References: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> Message-ID: <20081229134854.bc1e83d4.jh@brainiac.com> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:24:01 -0800 Stephen Nesbitt wrote: > I'm looking for something like "The (almost) Perfect Sound Recording Setup > for Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex". . . . > The fundamental requirement is that one is running Intrepid as one's main > system. Replacing Intrepid with Hardy is not an option. This in a nutshell is one of the biggest frustrations I have with all the various distributions of Linux and the desire for certain functionality, especially since we have yet to see the realtime patches included in the kernel. I am pretty agnostic about distributions. I use RHEL and CentOS at work, I've installed Ubuntu and Fedora on machines for people wanting to get away from Windows, and played with SuSE, Debian, Knoppix and a few others. When I was setting up my studio machine, I didn't ask "How do I force the studio computer to work with my distro of choice?" but "Who has already done the work of tweaking a distribution for audio work?" If you ask the first question and Google doesn't reply with a clear answer, then the answer is probably "nobody" and you're off in uncharted territory. (As with all such projects, if you undertake it, document and post your findings!!) My answer at the time was that the work done by Fernando at CCRMA at Stanford to tweak Fedora for audio was a clear winner, though there have since been other distros that have equally happy users. My gut feeling is that if you absolutely require Intrepid for some reason, you'll have to live with the performance and xrun issues. I can't imagine that running an OS in any kind of virtual machine will bring any satisfaction, as you're just adding a level of complexity. You'd be better off starting with a new OS installation based on one of the distros tweaked for audio. Good luck! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From compose59 at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 14:09:57 2008 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:09:57 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Best setup for sound recording under Intrepid In-Reply-To: <20081229134854.bc1e83d4.jh@brainiac.com> References: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> <20081229134854.bc1e83d4.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: Fedora 8 32bit here, and UbuntuStudio Hardy 8.0.4. 64bit both going like a train, with very few challenges. If you don't really need the latest and greatest, then, well, if it ain't broke..... Similar jack/alsa setup on both (Jackmp dbus version, latest svn a week ago, Alsa 1.0.17, and a couple of important lib updates, which i compiled from source.) Dave Phillips, the chap to blame to for getting me into linux, (O wise one :) ) will tell you that i'm a serial linux maniac of some 14 months from scratch, with no coding skills, fierce enthusiasm, and relentlessly poor humour, all of which are 'human' libs i've 'compiled' to get the above dual boots working well,and importantly, successfully. I've avoided the intrepid up date for the RT kernel challenges, and haven't lost anything at all by sticking with releases one step removed from current. I respectuflly suggest you might consider the same, with the notable exception of Jack, where the latest version, hot out of the oven, is a better bet than 0.109. something, which comes as the default with ubuntu. 0.109 came about in a period of transition for Jack, as the devs got the BIG spanners and power tools out, and did some serious work. (which has come to fruit for us appreciative users in the latest release.) Good luck. Alex Stone. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:24:01 -0800 > Stephen Nesbitt wrote: > > I'm looking for something like "The (almost) Perfect Sound Recording > Setup > > for Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex". > . . . > > The fundamental requirement is that one is running Intrepid as one's main > > system. Replacing Intrepid with Hardy is not an option. > > This in a nutshell is one of the biggest frustrations I have with all the > various distributions of Linux and the desire for certain functionality, > especially since we have yet to see the realtime patches included in the > kernel. > > I am pretty agnostic about distributions. I use RHEL and CentOS at work, > I've installed Ubuntu and Fedora on machines for people wanting to get > away from Windows, and played with SuSE, Debian, Knoppix and a few others. > > When I was setting up my studio machine, I didn't ask "How do I force the > studio computer to work with my distro of choice?" but "Who has already > done > the work of tweaking a distribution for audio work?" If you ask the first > question and Google doesn't reply with a clear answer, then the answer is > probably "nobody" and you're off in uncharted territory. (As with all such > projects, if you undertake it, document and post your findings!!) > > My answer at the time was that the work done by Fernando at CCRMA at > Stanford > to tweak Fedora for audio was a clear winner, though there have since been > other distros that have equally happy users. > > My gut feeling is that if you absolutely require Intrepid for some reason, > you'll have to live with the performance and xrun issues. I can't imagine > that running an OS in any kind of virtual machine will bring any > satisfaction, > as you're just adding a level of complexity. You'd be better off starting > with a new OS installation based on one of the distros tweaked for audio. > > Good luck! > > -- > ====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081229/bf753a79/attachment.htm From kritek at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 14:20:07 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:20:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Best setup for sound recording under Intrepid In-Reply-To: References: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> <20081229134854.bc1e83d4.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: >I've avoided the intrepid up date for the RT kernel challenges, and haven't lost anything at all by sticking with >releases one step removed from current. I respectuflly suggest you might consider the same, with the notable >exception of Jack, where the latest version, hot out of the oven, is a better bet than 0.109. something, which >comes as the default with ubuntu. 0.109 came about in a period of transition for Jack, as the devs got the BIG >spanners and power tools out, and did some serious work. (which has come to fruit for us appreciative users in >the latest release.) Hmm wasn't aware of this, does this fix the alsa jack plugin crashing jackd? If I were to build alsa and jack from source, in what order should they be done? Doesn't jack build against alsa, and alsa against jack for the jack plugin? I'll be doing this with Debian Lenny (testing). -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From artdent at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 14:27:58 2008 From: artdent at gmail.com (Jacob Lee) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:27:58 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Best setup for sound recording under Intrepid In-Reply-To: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> References: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> Message-ID: <8e3f205b0812291127j11e24976ub31aa0a5d080d204@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Stephen Nesbitt wrote: > All: > > In this maillist I have seen a lot of warning that realtime is broken in > Intrepid. Ok that's understandable if not wonderful :-) > > But the question is then if one is running Intrepid what is the proper setup? > I'm looking for something like "The (almost) Perfect Sound Recording Setup > for Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex". This is information I haven't seen and given the > number of questions in reference to Intrepid being asked on this list, one > that might be valuable. > > The fundamental requirement is that one is running Intrepid as one's main > system. Replacing Intrepid with Hardy is not an option. > > Here are some possibilities that have crossed my mind: > 1) Setup a dual boot Hardy/Intrepid system - doable but a pain because of 1) > the need to reboot and 2) the potential loss of access to one's standard home > directory, tools, email and system configuration. > > 2) Use Intrepid despite not having access to a realtime kernel. In this case > information on realistic expectations on latency, how to best configure Jack to > limit xruns, etc would be very nice. In other words, can Intrepid even be used > as a base for music recording and what are the gotchas (if any)? > I'm stuck on non-realtime Intrepid (my motherboard + embedded Intel graphics card are new enough to require 2.6.27), so I can give you one data point: with a USB soundcard and -n 3 -p 512, I get at most a few xruns per hour. Disabling cpu frequency scaling helped a lot, as has avoiding high cpu usage. It's not good enough for click-free recording, but it's reasonable for live performance. (I tried the ubuntu 2.6.27-rt package, but it was broken for me in many ways. YMMV of course.) > 3) Run Hardy based studio as a guest OS in vmware or VirtualBox. I don't even > know if this is possible? What does it mean to run a guest OS in a realtime > environment when the host is not? And even if that isn't a problem, how does > one configure the sound system? For instance how do I get the guest system to > recognize my Delta 44 card? Or PulseAudio? > > Thanks in advance! > > -steve -- Jacob Lee artdent at gmail.com From michael at jamhome.us Mon Dec 29 14:30:50 2008 From: michael at jamhome.us (Michael) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:30:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] MP3 pitch adjustment Message-ID: <27261.170.135.241.46.1230579050.squirrel@mail.jamhome.us> I have an MP3 of a vintage clarinet piece that seems to be about 6% fast, or as one person observed "This recording seems to be pitched at around A=467Hz" Would Audacity be the right tool to correct the entire MP3? If not Audacity, what is a recommended tool? -- Michael Rasmussen http://www.jamhome.us/ Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity From kevinc at cosgroves.us Mon Dec 29 14:34:26 2008 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:34:26 -0800 Subject: [LAU] MP3 pitch adjustment In-Reply-To: <27261.170.135.241.46.1230579050.squirrel@mail.jamhome.us> Message-ID: <20081229193426.9A670BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 29 December 2008 at 11:30, "Michael" wrote: > I have an MP3 of a vintage clarinet piece that seems to be about 6% fast, or > as one person observed "This recording seems to be pitched at around A=467Hz" > > Would Audacity be the right tool to correct the entire MP3? > > If not Audacity, what is a recommended tool? I've used Audacity successfully for pitch shifting. 6% should be no problem. If you go with Audacity, then you need to teach it where the MP3 conversion libraries are so that it can import/export from/to MP3. cheers... -- Kevin From mis at artengine.ca Mon Dec 29 16:34:55 2008 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:34:55 -0500 Subject: [LAU] common music? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I may be wrong but it seems that CommonMusic is being replaced by Grace (and/or GraceCL). I have been using GraceCL on and off (I have not run cm proper in a while but when I did I never experienced segfaults). You can get grace(cl) here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9766 but you need configured/compiled juce library in order to build it, instructions are included in the grace package. Oh and you can download a prebuilt binary of Grace and CM here (I think this one is at version 3.x.x): http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Software/grace/index.html The package also shows you how to run cm as an inferior emacs process. I suppose your segfaults are related to the lisp implementation you use? IIRC CM works best with SBCL. But do not quote me on this, I have not been following the development of CM in a long time. So far I run GraceCL on Ubuntu 7.xx and 8.xx and it was all good for me (mind you, I have not tried any recent releases). I realize that I am not being very helpful, I figured I raise my hand as CM+ubuntu attracted my attention. Perhaps people on cmdist will be able to help: http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist ./MiS On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:25 AM, bernie arai wrote: > is anyone using rick taube's common music on ubuntu? i just get a > segfault with no other info when i try to run cm.sh and the install > notes don't offer any "when things go wrong" help... i have no idea > what to try next. > > (trying to) use cm 2.10.0 on ubuntu hardy... > > thanks in advance > > bernie > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- ./MiS 514-344-0726 http://www.creazone.ca From ico at vt.edu Mon Dec 29 21:43:13 2008 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:43:13 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Best setup for sound recording under Intrepid In-Reply-To: <4959136C.8010500@woh.rr.com> References: <200812290924.01859.stephen_nesbitt@alumni.cmc.edu> <4959136C.8010500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1230604993.12742.10.camel@monsoon> > Is this system on a notebook or desktop box ? Perhaps you'll do better > on a desktop machine, but I would not recommend using Intrepid as a > production system on a notebook. If you are planning on using a netbook (which is somewhat cpu impoverished for heavy DSP stuff, but for the straight recording plus light to moderate DSP you should be fine) in conjunction with Intrepid I could not recommend it more. I am running on a MSI Wind with vanilla kernel and all the eye-candy (compiz) I can get and am yet to get a single xrun on it with built-in soundcard (haven't tried it with external yet). Only xruns I've gotten so far were if I exited a JACK app (e.g. Pd). This is on a 512x2 setting at 44.1KHz (23.2ms). P.S. Just tried Renoise 2.0 RC that was recently posted here and ran the demo song. It choked the cpu somewhere towards the end, but with O/C it ran just fine. (somewhat OT) FWIW, Renoise is truly a beautifully designed Linux audio app and I sincerely hope we'll get to see more of this kind of "polish" among the linux audio software. Ico From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Dec 30 06:22:11 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:22:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Cannot Find Video Stream (xjadeo) In-Reply-To: <49579D43.7090203@gareus.org> (Robin Gareus's message of "Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:37:39 +0100") References: <87y6y12u68.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <49579D43.7090203@gareus.org> Message-ID: <87wsdh52n0.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Robin Gareus writes: > oops. that's bad then. Well. I fixed it and all is well;). Somehow it was linked to an older library I had. The application works very well and it's very fun to work with. Thank you. -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Tue Dec 30 09:56:16 2008 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (Philippe Hezaine) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:56:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Drummer's Gigsaw: SWING and TECHNO. Message-ID: <495A3690.9040908@free.fr> Hi all, New Year greetings. You'll find two very different styles here: SWING patterns: (a "mix" with cymbals in front off) http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article25 TECHNO patterns: http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article50 Have fun. -- Phil. Superbonus-Project (Site principal) Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): From szajmi at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 13:00:41 2008 From: szajmi at gmail.com (Andras Simon) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:00:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jackd capture problem Message-ID: <9008cd5d0812301000u6ee8e5aamfb0554aa1a06af7f@mail.gmail.com> Hello List, I'm trying to use rakarrack, and in the process I found that it gets no input from line-in. (I use qjackctl to make the appropriate connections.) It's probably not a mixer problem, because I do hear what's coming in, it just doesn't seem to enter jackd's world. This is further confirmed by connecting jackmeter (http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/jackmeter) to alsa_pcm/capture_1 and seeing no signals. The soundcard is an old SB-something (lspci says: Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)), and I didn't have this problem with it in an older, Fedora 5 machine. The one I'm using now is Fedora 7, qjackctl 0.2.20. Any idea on what to check or try would be appreciated! Andras From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 30 13:14:59 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:14:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] jackd capture problem In-Reply-To: <9008cd5d0812301000u6ee8e5aamfb0554aa1a06af7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9008cd5d0812301000u6ee8e5aamfb0554aa1a06af7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! Did you have a look at howmany capture_* ports there are? Perhaps there are special ports for microphone? Did you check with simple alsa-tools? arecord or something like it, to see if ALSA handles it? Are you 100% sure your connecting cables are all right? Don't laugh, I had that ones and wouldn't believe it. :-( Did you try the mixer anyway? alsamixer or alsamixergui? That's all I'd have. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From goemusic at yahoo.fr Tue Dec 30 13:26:16 2008 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (go music) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:26:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] Fw : Re : jackd capture problem Message-ID: <465676.44939.qm@web26401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, it might be a mixer problem anyway. Some audio cards have that 'capture' channel, which?might be?hidden by default in the mixer. Can you configure your desktop's mixer and make it show that slider? As you checked the right way, for some cards, jackd gets its input from alsa capture, not from line in directly. So you need to setup your mixer such that capture receives from line in. Hope this helps? Frank --- En date de?: Mar 30.12.08, Andras Simon a ?crit?: De: Andras Simon Objet: [LAU] jackd capture problem ?: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org Date: Mardi 30 D?cembre 2008, 19h00 Hello List, I'm trying to use rakarrack, and in the process I found that it gets no input from line-in. (I use qjackctl to make the appropriate connections.) It's probably not a mixer problem, because I do hear what's coming in, it just doesn't seem to enter jackd's world. This is further confirmed by connecting jackmeter (http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/jackmeter) to alsa_pcm/capture_1 and seeing no signals. The soundcard is an old SB-something (lspci says: Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)), and I didn't have this problem with it in an older, Fedora 5 machine. The one I'm using now is Fedora 7, qjackctl 0.2.20. Any idea on what to check or try would be appreciated! Andras _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081230/663a6493/attachment.htm From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 30 13:42:31 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:42:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Fw : Re : jackd capture problem In-Reply-To: <465676.44939.qm@web26401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <465676.44939.qm@web26401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi! In alsamixer you can cange the "views" with f4 f5 and f6. There is a field in the top left corner telling you: ? View: [Playback] Capture All The one in brackets is the active view. Change to capture or all and then see the configuration. Btw.: For a short time now I have to say: alsamixer -c 1 or alsamixer -c 0 explicitly. Maybe my setup, but better keep it in mind, when alsamixer doesn't want to start. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From ats at offog.org Tue Dec 30 14:04:35 2008 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:04:35 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jackd capture problem In-Reply-To: <9008cd5d0812301000u6ee8e5aamfb0554aa1a06af7f@mail.gmail.com> (Andras Simon's message of "Tue\, 30 Dec 2008 19\:00\:41 +0100") References: <9008cd5d0812301000u6ee8e5aamfb0554aa1a06af7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Andras Simon" writes: > It's probably not a mixer problem, because I do hear what's coming in, > it just doesn't seem to enter jackd's world. Cards like that usually have an option in the mixer to choose which input you want to record from (line in, microphone, etc.); make sure it's set correctly. -- Adam Sampson From kritek at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 14:34:02 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:34:02 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed Message-ID: I'm running Debian Lenny on a custom 2.6.26.8-rt12 kernel. I notice once jackd starts, it cannot be killed. kill -9 leaves the jackd process in state DLs D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) L has pages locked into memory (for real-time and custom IO) s is a session leader Running jackd -R -P70 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p128 -n2 -Xseq I get same behaviour from kernel 2.6.26.6-rt11. Running in non-RT mode shows same behaviour ice-1712 chipset M-Audio Delta 44 jackd version 0.109.2 tmpdir /dev/shm protocol 22 I built jack 0.116.x, alsa 1.0.18x, and still get same behaviour. This kernels alsa driver is 0.16, upgraded to current 1.0.18a, same behaviour. This whole situation is disheartening as I once had a working setup on an older Ubuntu distribution where I could use skype with alsa's jack plugin (yes, I know, Ubuntu doesn't ship it, I had to rebuild libasound2-plugins pkg), but other alsa/jack issues forced me to have to dump Ubuntu altogether. I discovered the inability to kill jackd process while trying to troubleshoot skypes use of alsa's jack plugin crashing jackd. Also discovered any process that invoked that plugin would crash jackd when the plugin thread disconnected from jackd. In all it seems my jack setup is now unstable. Any help in troubleshooting these problems would be appreciated, thank you. -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From szajmi at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 14:40:24 2008 From: szajmi at gmail.com (Andras Simon) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:40:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jackd capture problem In-Reply-To: References: <9008cd5d0812301000u6ee8e5aamfb0554aa1a06af7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9008cd5d0812301140i3bc36e9bp81cb49aeaedd31df@mail.gmail.com> On 12/30/08, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi! Hi Julien, thanks for the quick response! > Did you have a look at howmany capture_* ports there are? Perhaps there > are > special ports for microphone? > Did you check with simple alsa-tools? arecord or something like it, to > see > if ALSA handles it? That was it! arecord didn't record anything, so the problem was on the ALSA side. But now that that part is fixed there's a new problem: I get a lot of hiss when I connect the capture ports to rakarrack's input ports. I muted almost everything in alsamixer, but that didn't help. It's as if rakarrack's output were connected to its input - but it's not. Maybe now I'm indeed facing a jackd (or a rakarrack) problem... > Are you 100% sure your connecting cables are all right? Don't laugh, I > had > that ones and wouldn't believe it. :-( These things happen, I know... but probably not this time. > Did you try the mixer anyway? alsamixer or alsamixergui? I learned now that alsamixer had more controls (activated by TAB) than what can be seen by default. > That's all I'd have. Thanks a lot! Andras From szajmi at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 15:15:00 2008 From: szajmi at gmail.com (Andras Simon) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:15:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jackd capture problem In-Reply-To: References: <9008cd5d0812301000u6ee8e5aamfb0554aa1a06af7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9008cd5d0812301215q7f6d3b63k8d56a741dabec29@mail.gmail.com> [I sent this off-list first, sorry!] On 12/30/08, Adam Sampson wrote: > "Andras Simon" writes: > >> It's probably not a mixer problem, because I do hear what's coming in, >> it just doesn't seem to enter jackd's world. > > Cards like that usually have an option in the mixer to choose which > input you want to record from (line in, microphone, etc.); make sure > it's set correctly. Ah! After reading Julien's message, I played a bit more with alsamixer, and finally I thought I set it correctly, because I was able to arecord. But appearently not! I got the hisses (with rakarrack) because it was set to capture, but not from line-in! (Why arecord worked is a mystery to me.) But now that you mentioned it, I see that one can indeed choose the source; and now it all seems to work! Thanks a lot! Andras From ats at offog.org Tue Dec 30 15:42:08 2008 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:42:08 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: (R. Dicaire's message of "Tue\, 30 Dec 2008 14\:34\:02 -0500") References: Message-ID: "R Dicaire" writes: > I'm running Debian Lenny on a custom 2.6.26.8-rt12 kernel. I notice > once jackd starts, it cannot be killed. kill -9 leaves the jackd > process in state DLs > Running jackd -R -P70 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p128 -n2 -Xseq > I get same behaviour from kernel 2.6.26.6-rt11. This looks like the 2.6.26 MIDI sequencer problem -- MIDI doesn't work, and after jackd has opened the sequencer device for the first time, it'll hang trying to close it. Future attempts to open the sequencer device then fail because it's in use. I've gone back to 2.6.24 for now, but as I recall, if you don't care about MIDI, you can start jackd with -Xraw (or with no -X option) and it'll still do audio happily. It'd be really nice to have a fix for this, since 2.6.24 occasionally locks up for me when I've got realtime stuff running (whereas 2.6.26 is admirably well-behaved aside from the complete lack of MIDI). Does anyone know whether MIDI's working again in the new RT tree? -- Adam Sampson From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 30 15:45:12 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:45:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! I roughly have the same setup. Lenny, self-bult kernel (rt-patched and non-rt-patched), Jack 0.112.0. Did you ever try skipping the -P70? I don't do it and it works nicely. No xrun no nothing on the vanilla 2.6.23, still very OK, with lots of delays and some xruns on the rt-patched kernel (2.6.24-2.6.26). Even my card is almost the same. My alsa is built-in though and I don't use the alsa-jack plugin rarely. But still no trouble with that. /dev/shm is not a very good idea though. Had my strange problems with that. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From kritek at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 16:20:11 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:20:11 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Adam Sampson wrote: > This looks like the 2.6.26 MIDI sequencer problem -- MIDI doesn't work, > and after jackd has opened the sequencer device for the first time, > it'll hang trying to close it. Future attempts to open the sequencer > device then fail because it's in use. Ahhhhhhhh, I was never aware there was a midi issue...jackd could be killed when I didn't use -X, excellent. Thank you VERY much. Now here's another situation. I've built alsa and jack. I installed them into custom locations. In my users .asoundrc I have a pcm device that calls the jack plugin. How would I get calls to this plugin to use my custom built /usr/local/alsa/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so instead of the system one in /usr/lib/alsa-lib ? -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From kritek at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 16:27:17 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:27:17 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > almost the same. My alsa is built-in though and I don't use the alsa-jack > plugin rarely. But still no trouble with that. If you could, create a custom pcm device in .asoundrc using the jack plugin, and try skype using that pcm device. pcm.skype { type plug slave { pcm "configvoip" } } pcm.configvoip { type jack playback_ports { 0 system:playback_1 1 system:playback_2 } capture_ports { 0 system:capture_1 1 system:capture_1 } } This worked fine under Lenny until a major alsa update came down the pipe when jack port names were changed from alsa_pcm: to system: sometime ago. I'd like to know if you experience the same issue I have, the plugin crashing jackd. Thanks -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 30 16:40:06 2008 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:40:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! Sorry, I can't test it with skype. I'm blind. But I tested it with yatm (yet another time machine) and some other piece of software. I think I accidentally ran fluidsynth with that. And it worked. Wait I'm trying yatm... Perfect! Speeding up/slowing, pitching... Not even a delay or xrun. JACK still 100% fine. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From kritek at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 20:16:25 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:16:25 -0500 Subject: [LAU] ongoing saga of jackd, alsa jack plugin, skype, and flash in firefox Message-ID: Hi folks In my continuing quest to get skype and flash to use alsa's jack plugin, here's what I've achieved so far. I've built current jack and alsa, defined a custom PCM device in .asoundrc, configured skype to use that device, and now this works without crashing jackd. I didn't have as much luck with flash though. I defined default PCM to use the same slave as the skype PCM uses, and in qjackctl I see attempts by the jack plugin to connect to jackd while viewing a youtube video, but a connection doesn't seem to be maintained, and no sound is heard. While this isn't critical for me as I don't go to youtube anyway, I was hoping this would have been a good test of using the jack plugin as a default PCM. Anyone else been successful in using the jack plugin as a default device and getting flash audio to use it? -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 30 20:16:56 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:16:56 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <1229964105.7283.48.camel@charly> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> <1229964105.7283.48.camel@charly> Message-ID: <20081231011656.GB25068@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:41:45PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:36 +0000, Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ wrote: > > > > and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with > > > many people, in several languages! > > > > Been done... > > > > eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht > > ONE TWO > > ovil dah tri > > > > Krafty devils that they are... ;-) > > There's Kraftwerk's Numbers and I vaguely recall that there was a song > on the Eurovision Song Contest (back when it had a name that I wouldn't > be able to reproduce without copy-paste :) where the text was just > counting. > > Such a simple concept can't be new, but I'm sure the way this shall come > together and the final result will be rather unlike anything that > happened before ;) > This discussion reminded me of a Kraftwerk cover done by a former cow-orker almost a decade ago: http://www.creth.com/media/trax/home-computer-heavy-kraft-warning.mp3 It wasn't done in Linux, but I figured some on this list might relate to it :-) Besides the Senor Coconut album, this is my favorite Kraftwerk cover. -ken From mis at artengine.ca Tue Dec 30 23:58:07 2008 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:58:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Call for Participation: International Counting Track In-Reply-To: <20081231011656.GB25068@aieee.restivo.org> References: <1229954475.7283.42.camel@charly> <494FA5F1.3000400@gjcp.net> <1229964105.7283.48.camel@charly> <20081231011656.GB25068@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > http://www.creth.com/media/trax/home-computer-heavy-kraft-warning.mp3 This is cute:) > > It wasn't done in Linux, but I figured some on this list might relate to it :-) Have you heard the Balanescu String Quartet's Kraftwerk covers? -- ./MiS 514-344-0726 http://www.creazone.ca From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 31 00:44:27 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:44:27 -0800 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:20:11PM -0500, R Dicaire wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Adam Sampson wrote: > > > This looks like the 2.6.26 MIDI sequencer problem -- MIDI doesn't work, > > and after jackd has opened the sequencer device for the first time, > > it'll hang trying to close it. Future attempts to open the sequencer > > device then fail because it's in use. > > Ahhhhhhhh, I was never aware there was a midi issue...jackd could be > killed when I didn't use -X, excellent. > Thank you VERY much. > > Now here's another situation. I've built alsa and jack. I installed > them into custom locations. In my users .asoundrc > I have a pcm device that calls the jack plugin. How would I get calls > to this plugin to use my custom built > /usr/local/alsa/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so instead of > the system one in /usr/lib/alsa-lib ? > MIDI doesn't work in 2.6.26???! Is that for real? Is it really a kernel problem or an ALSA problem? Is there a workaround? I thought the ALSA drivers were or could be obtained and compiled separately from the kernel though. -ken From kritek at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 00:52:39 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:52:39 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > I thought the ALSA drivers were or could be obtained and compiled separately from the kernel though. Alsa drivers have to be built against the kernel src tree of the current running kernel, according to the INSTALL in the alsa-drivers src tree. -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 03:32:44 2008 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (Grammostola Rosea) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:32:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Developers section @ linuxmusicians.com Message-ID: <495B2E2C.9010006@gmail.com> Hi, A couples months ago we started a forum at linuxmusicians.com . Our aim is to bring Linux musicians together and help each other to make music on the Linux platform. We want to promote FLOSS software for making music. We also want to make making music on Linux more accessible for newbies and less computer minded people. We think a forum is a good platform for this. For making music on Linux, we need of course good software. To inspire and help people to become a Linux audio developer, we launched a special part for developers on our forum, which you can find here: http://linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=44 As mentioned before, this should be a good and accessible place for newbie programmers. But we also like to invite more experienced developers to share their stuff, knowledge and help some newbies with their first steps. Would be cool if some more experienced programmes will visit the forum sometimes a month (for example) and give some feedback to newbie programmers or projects. If someone like to write an article about how to become a Linux audio programmer and how to start, you're very welcome! We are aware of the fact that there is also a linux-audio-dev mailinglist and IRC channel. We also think the Linux audio development community should operate as centralized as possible. So people can learn from each other and make a good interaction between different apps and projects as good as possible. That's why we wrote a short introduction in which we make new developers aware of the existence of these places. http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=780 We hope we can inspire young and talented people to become a Linux audio developer. We hope that you guys will support this initiative and are willing to help new developers find their ways in the world of Linux audio development. Kind regards, \r From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Dec 31 04:35:32 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:35:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] ongoing saga of jackd, alsa jack plugin, skype, and flash in firefox In-Reply-To: (R. Dicaire's message of "Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:16:25 -0500") References: Message-ID: <87k59g4rh7.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> "R Dicaire" writes: > Anyone else been successful in using the jack plugin as a default > device and getting flash audio to use it? I can only tell about me using gnash, the free flash player. My pulseaudio is a JACK client and everything works well. All ALSA apps go through pulseaudio, which is a normal JACK client, so everything is jackified. You should never use the JACK ALSA plugin, because it's crap; always has been and probably always will be. No application should be using the ALSA API directly. -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Dec 31 03:49:26 2008 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:49:26 -0800 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <1230713366.18107.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 21:44 -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:20:11PM -0500, R Dicaire wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Adam Sampson wrote: > > > > > This looks like the 2.6.26 MIDI sequencer problem -- MIDI doesn't work, > > > and after jackd has opened the sequencer device for the first time, > > > it'll hang trying to close it. Future attempts to open the sequencer > > > device then fail because it's in use. > > > > Ahhhhhhhh, I was never aware there was a midi issue...jackd could be > > killed when I didn't use -X, excellent. > > Thank you VERY much. > > > > Now here's another situation. I've built alsa and jack. I installed > > them into custom locations. In my users .asoundrc > > I have a pcm device that calls the jack plugin. How would I get calls > > to this plugin to use my custom built > > /usr/local/alsa/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so instead of > > the system one in /usr/lib/alsa-lib ? > > MIDI doesn't work in 2.6.26???! > > Is that for real? Is it really a kernel problem or an ALSA problem? > Is there a workaround? The problem I see is with the rt patch applied. And only when interfacing with external hardware midi interfaces. A partial workaround made midi input work, but the internal timer has problems. I have not checked midi under 2.6.26-rt12 yet... -- Fernando From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 03:49:34 2008 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:49:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] encoding aac/m4a for wii Message-ID: <495B321E.8000404@gmail.com> Hi We got a wii for christmas, and it seems it can only handle audio in "aac (.m4a)" format. However I have no experience with this format, but I found faac and did "faac someaudio.wav", which produced someaudio.aac and I also made a copy with extension .m4a. However the wii couldn't find any audio files if I copied the .aac-file to the sd-card. If I copied the .m4a file the files showes up in photo channel, but the wii can't play them (something with "wrong format"). Any ideas and/or experiences with encoding for the wii in particular or aac/m4a in general? -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Wed Dec 31 04:25:56 2008 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:25:56 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495B3AA4.1050308@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> R Dicaire wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Adam Sampson wrote: > > >> This looks like the 2.6.26 MIDI sequencer problem -- MIDI doesn't work, >> and after jackd has opened the sequencer device for the first time, >> it'll hang trying to close it. Future attempts to open the sequencer >> device then fail because it's in use. >> > > Ahhhhhhhh, I was never aware there was a midi issue...jackd could be > killed when I didn't use -X, excellent. > Thank you VERY much. > > Now here's another situation. I've built alsa and jack. I installed > them into custom locations. In my users .asoundrc > I have a pcm device that calls the jack plugin. How would I get calls > to this plugin to use my custom built > /usr/local/alsa/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so instead of > the system one in /usr/lib/alsa-lib ? > > Is this a way of allowing alsa apps to talk to jack? If so I would like to have a go at setting it up but don't know where to start. Do I need to compile my own libasound2, or the alsa kernel modules? (I've checked and /usr/lib/alsa-lib doesn't include this plugin.) I'm running linux mint, which is based on Ubuntu. I've googled for a definitive guide but can't find one. andy From ats at offog.org Wed Dec 31 06:27:55 2008 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:27:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20081231112754.GA3973@cartman.at.offog.org> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:44:27PM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > MIDI doesn't work in 2.6.26???! Well, for me and several other people on this list, certainly... > I thought the ALSA drivers were or could be obtained and compiled > separately from the kernel though. Yup, I tried that -- I built alsa-driver 1.0.18a against 2.6.26.6-rt11, and the problem's still there, so I guess it's something more fundamental. -- Adam Sampson From susemuse27 at gmx.de Wed Dec 31 08:49:42 2008 From: susemuse27 at gmx.de (Susanne Schneider) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:49:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disappointing experience with firewire Message-ID: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> hi, this is no complaint (!) about anything, just to reflect over my yesterday's exerience with a newly purchased Focusrite Saffire Pro10, connected via Belkin PCMCIA Firewirecard to my Lenovo R61 - the FW Chip in this Laptop is one of those crappy Ricoh parts, I tried this, too, but as expected it just didn't work... So I compiled the ffado Release Candidate, afterwards compiled the actual Jack 0.116.1 and finally got things running. Compared to my Lexicon Omega Studio USB Device the performance of that FW assembly (don't want to blame a single device of that chain) just was disappointing, already in idlemode without any clients open the jackserver showed a workload of roughly 5% (128 frames/3 periods), while my Lexicon produces between 0.5 to 1% (128 frames/2 periods). Opening Ardour and just replaying one of my sessions produced glitches where only a strong hiss could be heard. (The session itself caused a workload of less than 20%.) - I remember having had those hiss glitches in my early days in 2005 with the MAudio Transit USB and Kernel 2.6.11 - I never expected them coming back some day... *lol* I then had a look on my interrupts and had to notice the FW Card sharing it's interrupt (no 16) with the Nwidia Graficscard - so I might have found the culprit - or not? - I don't know... :-((( I tried to change the pci settings in the bios - no success. Now my question to those who also tried firewire audio: was it a success story for you from the beginning or did anybody make similar experiences and how did you proceed further? thanks for your attention Susanne From linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Wed Dec 31 09:47:35 2008 From: linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:47:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem with PCM2706 and TAS1020B Message-ID: <20081231144735.GP25661@tamay-dogan.net> Hello *, Today morning I have goten a bunch of FreeSamples from Texas Instruments to develop a new docking station and I have build the two PCB's with the chips PCM2706 and TAS1020B (+ Maxim MAX9853 + MAX9708) The first one should be working from scratch, but it is not detected by the Linux Kernel 2.6.18 and 2.6.28. Coult it be, that the ALSA Audio modules refuse to detect it, since I have NO VID and PID programmed? -- Any hints? For the second one it is more complicate, because it is a streaming controller I must code an 8052 compatibel Firmware. -- Any hints and resources? Thanks, Greetings and Happy New Year Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/9351947 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Future attempts to open the sequencer >> device then fail because it's in use. >> > > Ahhhhhhhh, I was never aware there was a midi issue...jackd could be > killed when I didn't use -X, excellent. > Thank you VERY much. > hallo, i am not sure if it has anything to do with your issue, but as you say, it happens only when you start jackd with -Xseq, it could be that this is the root of the problem. i discovered a trouble in ardour, when running jackd with -Xseq explicitly. you may have a look here: http://tracker.ardour.org/view.php?id=2497 in this case, the issue for me is reproducible very easy, but only if running with -Xseq. ardour2.7.1, jackd0.116.1, alsa1.0.17, Linux 2.6.25.4-rt5 #2 PREEMPT RT know that this does not save your problem, but perhaps it is interesting. cheers, doc > Now here's another situation. I've built alsa and jack. I installed > them into custom locations. In my users .asoundrc > I have a pcm device that calls the jack plugin. How would I get calls > to this plugin to use my custom built > /usr/local/alsa/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so instead of > the system one in /usr/lib/alsa-lib ? > > From linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Wed Dec 31 10:34:35 2008 From: linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:34:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problem with PCM2706 and TAS1020B In-Reply-To: <20081231144735.GP25661@tamay-dogan.net> References: <20081231144735.GP25661@tamay-dogan.net> Message-ID: <20081231153435.GQ25661@tamay-dogan.net> Oops... I mean PCM2704 (SSOP) and NOT PCM2706 (TQFP) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/9351947 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Susanne Schneider wrote: > hi, > this is no complaint (!) about anything, just to reflect over my > yesterday's exerience with a newly purchased Focusrite Saffire Pro10, > connected via Belkin PCMCIA Firewirecard to my Lenovo R61 - the FW Chip > in this Laptop is one of those crappy Ricoh parts, I tried this, too, > but as expected it just didn't work... > So I compiled the ffado Release Candidate, afterwards compiled the > actual Jack 0.116.1 and finally got things running. > Compared to my Lexicon Omega Studio USB Device the performance of that > FW assembly (don't want to blame a single device of that chain) just was > disappointing, already in idlemode without any clients open the > jackserver showed a workload of roughly 5% (128 frames/3 periods), while > my Lexicon produces between 0.5 to 1% (128 frames/2 periods). well, ffado is more cpu-intensive than a kernel driver. there's no way around that. as to the figured you mention: how many channels does your lexicon have? in my experience, the cpu load is somewhat proportional to the number of channels ffado has to heave back and forth. for comparison, my saffire pro26 (26 channels i/o) uses close to 12% cpu, and proportionally less if i disable the additional adat i/os. > Opening Ardour and just replaying one of my sessions produced glitches > where only a strong hiss could be heard. (The session itself caused a > workload of less than 20%.) - I remember having had those hiss glitches > in my early days in 2005 with the MAudio Transit USB and Kernel 2.6.11 - > I never expected them coming back some day... *lol* > I then had a look on my interrupts and had to notice the FW Card sharing > it's interrupt (no 16) with the Nwidia Graficscard - so I might have > found the culprit - or not? - I don't know... :-((( > I tried to change the pci settings in the bios - no success. > Now my question to those who also tried firewire audio: was it a success > story for you from the beginning or did anybody make similar experiences > and how did you proceed further? yeah, firewire is tricky. you definitely need real-time privileges, and an rt kernel doesn't hurt either. i'm currently not using one for various reasons, but i have frequent xruns with large sessions.... when i'm tracking live, i always use one. ieee1394 controllers are another hairy issue. both chips i use (a pc card and the one built into my studio box) behave well, but i've heard people have had a hard time with theirs. if you want to dig in deeper, you should probably move this thread to the ffado-user list. regarding your interrupt woes: are you running a closed-source nvidia driver? if so, throw it out if at all possible. just as a final reassuring remark: despite some rough edges, my saffire is performing nicely. sometimes ardour kills jackd when loading my current session, but this is a 20ch monster with 5 nine-channel busses :) restarting jackd and reconnecting ardour fixes it for me. best, j?rn From sh0099 at gmx.de Wed Dec 31 11:22:07 2008 From: sh0099 at gmx.de (sh0099) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:22:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disappointing experience with firewire In-Reply-To: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> References: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> Message-ID: <495B9C2F.70403@gmx.de> i think i read somewhere that the bad performance is related to some kernel-firewire implementation stuff... (as i understand this will not change too fast) most of my problems with my saffire le have been related to irq sharing ... but i had no hiss glitches ... sorry that i can not help ... Susanne Schneider schrieb: > hi, > this is no complaint (!) about anything, just to reflect over my > yesterday's exerience with a newly purchased Focusrite Saffire Pro10, > connected via Belkin PCMCIA Firewirecard to my Lenovo R61 - the FW Chip > in this Laptop is one of those crappy Ricoh parts, I tried this, too, > but as expected it just didn't work... > So I compiled the ffado Release Candidate, afterwards compiled the > actual Jack 0.116.1 and finally got things running. > Compared to my Lexicon Omega Studio USB Device the performance of that > FW assembly (don't want to blame a single device of that chain) just was > disappointing, already in idlemode without any clients open the > jackserver showed a workload of roughly 5% (128 frames/3 periods), while > my Lexicon produces between 0.5 to 1% (128 frames/2 periods). > Opening Ardour and just replaying one of my sessions produced glitches > where only a strong hiss could be heard. (The session itself caused a > workload of less than 20%.) - I remember having had those hiss glitches > in my early days in 2005 with the MAudio Transit USB and Kernel 2.6.11 - > I never expected them coming back some day... *lol* > I then had a look on my interrupts and had to notice the FW Card sharing > it's interrupt (no 16) with the Nwidia Graficscard - so I might have > found the culprit - or not? - I don't know... :-((( > I tried to change the pci settings in the bios - no success. > Now my question to those who also tried firewire audio: was it a success > story for you from the beginning or did anybody make similar experiences > and how did you proceed further? > thanks for your attention > Susanne > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From faber at faberman.de Wed Dec 31 11:29:23 2008 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:29:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disappointing experience with firewire In-Reply-To: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> References: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200812311729.24063.faber@faberman.de> Susanne! > Now my question to those who also tried firewire audio: was it a success > story for you from the beginning or did anybody make similar experiences > and how did you proceed further? Wenn Du kuerzestmoegliche Latenz brauchst und mit dem Notebook arbeiten MUSST, dann wirst Du nicht um etwas wie eine RME Multiface/Digiface herumkommen - mit PCMCIA-Adapter. Firewire ist leider nicht wirklich brauchbar in der Hinsicht. Oder ist Firewire ein MUSS-Kriterium? Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key 6C002249 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From arnold at arnoldarts.de Wed Dec 31 11:39:47 2008 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:39:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disappointing experience with firewire In-Reply-To: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> References: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200812311739.52537.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Hi, On Wednesday 31 December 2008 14:49:42 Susanne Schneider wrote: > Compared to my Lexicon Omega Studio USB Device the performance of that > FW assembly (don't want to blame a single device of that chain) just was > disappointing, already in idlemode without any clients open the > jackserver showed a workload of roughly 5% (128 frames/3 periods), while > my Lexicon produces between 0.5 to 1% (128 frames/2 periods). As J?rn pointed out this is streaming-in-kernel-space vs. streaming-in- userspace. And probably your fw-device has _lots_ more channels. (USB1 can only carry four channels and USB2 has no audio-standard.) > Opening Ardour and just replaying one of my sessions produced glitches > where only a strong hiss could be heard. (The session itself caused a > workload of less than 20%.) - I remember having had those hiss glitches > in my early days in 2005 with the MAudio Transit USB and Kernel 2.6.11 - > I never expected them coming back some day... *lol* Did you try with higher latencies? As long as you don't need to do software-monitoring, you don't need low- latency for recording. It actually becomes safer to use higher latencies for recording as the hd has more time to store and read the data. > I then had a look on my interrupts and had to notice the FW Card sharing > it's interrupt (no 16) with the Nwidia Graficscard - so I might have > found the culprit - or not? - I don't know... :-((( Probably that is the reason. If ardour shows flashing VU-meters, your gui will update very often and generate lots of interrupts. This is guaranteed to interfere with the fw-card. While it is definitely worth trying to use the free driver (and the only possibility to get support from kernel-devs and near-kernel-devs), I don't think this will improve your situation. I have the feeling that if you can't change the interrupt of either the graphics card or the pcmcia-slot, you are out of luck. :-( What is the exact model of your internal ricoh fw-controller? ("lspci -nn | grep Fire" or add your line to http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/HostControllers directly) Have fun and a happy new year, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081231/e3af8ce2/attachment.pgp From kritek at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 11:44:46 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:44:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: <495B3628.9090406@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> References: <495B3628.9090406@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:06 AM, andy baxter wrote: > /usr/lib/alsa-lib doesn't include this plugin.) I'm running linux mint, > which is based on Ubuntu. I've googled for a definitive guide but can't find Ubuntu does not include the alsa jack plugin. You'd have to rebuild that pkg to include jack. -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From arnold at arnoldarts.de Wed Dec 31 11:46:54 2008 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:46:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] disappointing experience with firewire In-Reply-To: <200812311729.24063.faber@faberman.de> References: <495B7876.6090407@gmx.de> <200812311729.24063.faber@faberman.de> Message-ID: <200812311746.55130.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Wednesday 31 December 2008 17:29:23 Florian Faber wrote: > > Now my question to those who also tried firewire audio: was it a success > > story for you from the beginning or did anybody make similar experiences > > and how did you proceed further? > Wenn Du kuerzestmoegliche Latenz brauchst und mit dem Notebook arbeiten > MUSST, dann wirst Du nicht um etwas wie eine RME Multiface/Digiface > herumkommen - mit PCMCIA-Adapter. Firewire ist leider nicht wirklich > brauchbar in der Hinsicht. First: This is still an english-speaking list... Second: That might be your oppinion, but its not a universal rule. I did use my firewire-setup with great success for live-foh-mixing and foh-effects. Yes, I did have low-latency. Firewire is capable of that... And I don't think buying an expensive RME pcmcia interface will help Susanne because her pcmcia-slot is sharing its interrupt with the graphics card. Regardless whether there is a modem, a fw-controller or a rme-interface in there, its always sharing its interrupt with the (nvidia-)graphics card... Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20081231/3a54c602/attachment.pgp From kevinc at cosgroves.us Wed Dec 31 13:05:35 2008 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:05:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Saffire Pro26 [was: disappointing experience with firewire] In-Reply-To: <495B9932.5000000@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20081231180535.C806CBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 31 December 2008 at 17:09, wrote: > ... my saffire pro26 (26 channels i/o) uses close to 12% cpu, > and proportionally less if i disable the additional adat i/os. It seems that you like your pro26. Would you buy another one? What are you using to drive the ADAT channels? Could you let us know what versions of distribution, kernel, and ffado you are using? Thanks much.... -- Kevin From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Wed Dec 31 14:17:26 2008 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:17:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Saffire Pro26 [was: disappointing experience with firewire] In-Reply-To: <20081231180535.C806CBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20081231180535.C806CBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: <495BC546.8080200@folkwang-hochschule.de> Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > On 31 December 2008 at 17:09, wrote: > >> ... my saffire pro26 (26 channels i/o) uses close to 12% cpu, >> and proportionally less if i disable the additional adat i/os. > > It seems that you like your pro26. Would you buy another one? i can't (this one cost me my soul). but if i were ever granted a spare soul, i might. > What are you using to drive the ADAT channels? Could you let us know > what versions of distribution, kernel, and ffado you are using? when i'm in need of extra analog i/o, i hook up a (gasp!) behringer ada 8000. definitely not the nicest of converters, but does the job (unless you need decent mic preamps). my current kernel is (alternating) a .24-rt-something and a .27. i follow ffado's 2.0 svn branch, jack is also from svn, but the latest releases should be ok. From kevinc at cosgroves.us Wed Dec 31 15:03:12 2008 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:03:12 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Saffire Pro26 [was: disappointing experience with firewire] In-Reply-To: <495BC546.8080200@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20081231200312.BBCBABE031@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 31 December 2008 at 20:17, wrote: > > It seems that you like your pro26. Would you buy another one? > > i can't (this one cost me my soul). but if i were ever granted a spare > soul, i might. OK, I understand the money thing. I was more curious about whether you'd buy one if you were rich. My concern is that some day I might not be able to get a motherboard with two PCI slots for my two M-Audio Delta 1010s. At that point I'll need to go with something else, and then firewire must be considered. I need high channel count inputs - my drumkit really needs 12 mics ;-) > > What are you using to drive the ADAT channels? Could you let us know > > what versions of distribution, kernel, and ffado you are using? > > when i'm in need of extra analog i/o, i hook up a (gasp!) behringer ada > 8000. definitely not the nicest of converters, but does the job (unless > you need decent mic preamps). I'd also have to get an ADAT i/o converter of some sort to get to my desired channel count. Do you know if multiple firewire devices will sync with each other? > my current kernel is (alternating) a .24-rt-something and a .27. > i follow ffado's 2.0 svn branch, jack is also from svn, but the latest > releases should be ok. I'm running jack 0.116.1 and haven't branched out (no SVN pun) into firewire yet. Thanks.... -- Kevin From jh at brainiac.com Wed Dec 31 15:14:49 2008 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:14:49 -0500 Subject: [LAU] A QJackctl question Message-ID: <20081231151449.11aded45.jh@brainiac.com> I have a Behringer BCF2000 control surface, and every time I start QJackctl and Ardour, I have to manually connect the control, mcu and seq input and output ports from Ardour to the BCF. I used to have QJackctl set to make these connections automatically, but I find that at some point something changed. Now when I go into the patchbay and go to the ALSA tab, I cannot choose any of these ports and have the Connect button light up, so I can't save the configuration with these connections already in place. What can I do to get these to connect automatically? Thanks! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From kritek at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 17:32:52 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:32:52 -0500 Subject: [LAU] A QJackctl question In-Reply-To: <20081231151449.11aded45.jh@brainiac.com> References: <20081231151449.11aded45.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Joe Hartley wrote: > Now when I go into the patchbay and go to the ALSA tab, I cannot choose > any of these ports and have the Connect button light up, so I can't save > the configuration with these connections already in place. What can I > do to get these to connect automatically? Can't get ardour to do this? Its an option. -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 31 22:13:57 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:13:57 -0800 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: <1230713366.18107.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> <1230713366.18107.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090101031357.GC611@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:49:26AM -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 21:44 -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 04:20:11PM -0500, R Dicaire wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Adam Sampson wrote: > > > > > > > This looks like the 2.6.26 MIDI sequencer problem -- MIDI doesn't work, > > > > and after jackd has opened the sequencer device for the first time, > > > > it'll hang trying to close it. Future attempts to open the sequencer > > > > device then fail because it's in use. > > > > > > Ahhhhhhhh, I was never aware there was a midi issue...jackd could be > > > killed when I didn't use -X, excellent. > > > Thank you VERY much. > > > > > > Now here's another situation. I've built alsa and jack. I installed > > > them into custom locations. In my users .asoundrc > > > I have a pcm device that calls the jack plugin. How would I get calls > > > to this plugin to use my custom built > > > /usr/local/alsa/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so instead of > > > the system one in /usr/lib/alsa-lib ? > > > > MIDI doesn't work in 2.6.26???! > > > > Is that for real? Is it really a kernel problem or an ALSA problem? > > Is there a workaround? > > The problem I see is with the rt patch applied. And only when > interfacing with external hardware midi interfaces. A partial workaround > made midi input work, but the internal timer has problems. > > I have not checked midi under 2.6.26-rt12 yet... I have a 2.6.26.8-rt12 sitting here built, ready to try booting off of it. What exactly is the MIDI problem, and how could I duplicate it here? I'd be happy to test with this kernel (on a x86 Atom) and see if it is solved. -ken From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 31 22:25:52 2008 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:25:52 -0800 Subject: [LAU] encoding aac/m4a for wii In-Reply-To: <495B321E.8000404@gmail.com> References: <495B321E.8000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090101032552.GD611@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 09:49:34AM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > We got a wii for christmas, and it seems it can only handle audio in > "aac (.m4a)" format. However I have no experience with this format, but > I found faac and did "faac someaudio.wav", which produced someaudio.aac > and I also made a copy with extension .m4a. However the wii couldn't > find any audio files if I copied the .aac-file to the sd-card. If I > copied the .m4a file the files showes up in photo channel, but the wii > can't play them (something with "wrong format"). > > Any ideas and/or experiences with encoding for the wii in particular or > aac/m4a in general? > I haven't tried it, but ISTR mencoder and transcode being able to do this. I also recall AAC being the required audio format for DVD's. If so, then all the Linux DVD mastering programs can convert to it too. -ken From kritek at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 22:27:58 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:27:58 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: References: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> <1230713366.18107.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090101031357.GC611@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > What exactly is the MIDI problem, and how could I duplicate it here? I'd be happy to test with this kernel (on a x86 Atom) and see if it is solved. Anything that tries to open the alsa sequencer device hangs. -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u From holborn at telefonica.net Wed Dec 31 23:41:30 2008 From: holborn at telefonica.net (Josep Andreu) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 04:41:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: <20090101031357.GC611@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> <1230713366.18107.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090101031357.GC611@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20090101044130.6bba4fc1.holborn@telefonica.net> > I have a 2.6.26.8-rt12 sitting here built, ready to try booting off of it. > > What exactly is the MIDI problem, and how could I duplicate it here? I'd be happy to test with this kernel (on a x86 Atom) and see if it is solved. > I have the same problem ...with the rt patches applied I can't kill any app that use the alsa-seq, or jack maybe because I use the -X I dont remember exacly but I thing the last kernel with rt patches that works for me was 2.6.24.3, maybe .4 works too. - Josep Andreu From kritek at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 23:54:21 2008 From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:54:21 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd process can't be killed In-Reply-To: <20090101044130.6bba4fc1.holborn@telefonica.net> References: <20081231054427.GC27107@aieee.restivo.org> <1230713366.18107.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20090101031357.GC611@aieee.restivo.org> <20090101044130.6bba4fc1.holborn@telefonica.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Josep Andreu wrote: > >> I have a 2.6.26.8-rt12 sitting here built, ready to try booting off of it. >> >> What exactly is the MIDI problem, and how could I duplicate it here? I'd be happy to test with this kernel (on a x86 Atom) and see if it is solved. btw, I'm already using this kernel. I can't use my MidiMan Uno usb iface either :( can't seem to use jack-rack either as it tries to open alsa seq...what a mess :( -- aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present: http://www.ardynet.com http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u