[LAU] Subconscious Affecting Music

Patrick Shirkey pshirkey at boosthardware.com
Thu Aug 26 12:31:36 UTC 2010

On Thu, August 26, 2010 1:47 am, Rob wrote:
> Let me preface this by saying I'm not a fan of club music, but almost my
> entire social circle is made up of people who are.

I am also not a fan of this type of music which is why I am interested in
subverting it if it is possible ;-)

> On Thursday 26 August 2010 01:37, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> Yes, this is my conundrum so to speak. Is it possible to subvert the
>> subconscious minds of people in such an environment and have DJ's
>>  happily play said music and people happily listen to and therefore
>>  absorb it's affects?
> Most people who go to clubs are not going there to think, they're going
> there to lose their minds.  Certainly going to a club and not drinking
> (and
> being in full possession of my faculties) is a real drag, but I do it
> anyway now and then to try to be social, not to try and gain insight or
> anything like that.

Yes I agree. Hence I wonder if it is possible to get to these people
subconsciously without them realising and possibly even encouraging the

> DJs will play what gets people dancing and bars will hire DJs who keep
> people coming back to dance and drink.  I have a theory that what you
> think
> of as sexual music is simply music people associate with sexual contexts
> after years of experiencing them together.  Someone might have said the
> same thing about R&B or rock and roll 50 years ago, and in fact, I'm
> pretty
> sure they did.  But "Hound Dog" has never gotten my blood flowing.

I think the relation between sexual content and the attempt or success of
getting to the subconscious sexual emotions of the listener are clearly
defined in all modern pop remixed for a club sound.

>> I have to also mention I am talking entirely about the
>> Britney/Miley/Florider/... club sound now.
> I'm not sure what clubs you go to, but I can't remember the last time I
> heard Britney Spears or Miley Cyrus at one (not sure about the third act
> you mentioned).  I bet you would have a few things to say about Lady Gaga
> if you heard her stuff and its remixes, though.

Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Kanye... Name a pop music icon and listen the their
latest club mix and you will hear the technique in action... The clubs you
have been going to are not catering to mainstream Pop culture. For the
purposes of this discussion I have no direct interest in that crowd or the
emotional content of the music played at those clubs. I'm talking about
the vast majority of clubs that  play middle of the road pop culture hits
remixed for the club sound.

> On the other hand, I can't recall ever getting sexual feelings out of
> music.  Maybe there are some provocative videos that go with them, or
> sexually oriented lyrics, but music doesn't turn me on that way.
> Aggression, though, sure.  There's already plenty of chill-out music out
> there, though, that's meant to have the opposite effect.
> Finally, portraying "more intelligent, tolerant, open minded,
> compassionate, altruistic" as existing exclusive of sexuality seems like a
> false dichotomy to me, though I'm not going to give counterexamples on a
> publicly archived list.

Not my intention to portray exclusivity. In fact sexuality and aggression
are often mixed together in club music so it makes sense that either or
both of the above could be mixed with other emotions as well.

Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.

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