From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 1 01:44:08 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:44:08 -0800 Subject: [LAU] EQ plug and 4-pin 1394 In-Reply-To: <4CF53681.7050909@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4CF5245B.3060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4CF53681.7050909@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <20101201014408.GB3591@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 09:38:09AM -0800, Kim Cascone wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> >> >>> 2- my Dell laptop has a 4-pin firewire output and was wondering if there are >>> any issues with using a 4 pin cable for a 6 pin I/O other than not supplying >>> power? >>> I know I have to supply power to the box since a 4-pin 1394 connector >>> doesn't carry DC power. >>> >> >> There should be no issues. The 6-pin connector is literally the 4-pin >> connector signals (2 out, 2 in) with 2 power wires. There is no >> difference in the IEEE-1394A specs for either connector and, in my >> experience, the 4-pin has always worked for me. >> > OK thanks for the info! :) >> The biggest issue with 1394 on Linux is the 1394 controller in the PC. >> You might look around for evidence that your specific hardware (the >> chip inside - not the laptop) is well supported. (I.e - TI is, others >> vary) Stefan Richter in the 1394 user list is a great resource. lspci >> is your friend. >> > yeah I did a lspci and found: > > 09:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller > (rev 05) > > -- also -- > > sudo lshw | grep 1394 > description: FireWire (IEEE 1394) > product: R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller > configuration: driver=ohci1394 latency=32 maxlatency=4 > mingnt=2 module=ohci1394 > Ricoh chipets are, IIRC, the ones with extreme nonworkingness. Though it may depend on which rev, I dunno. I had one, and nothing worked. I had to get an ExpressCard with a TI chipset, and that one worked. -ken From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Dec 1 02:15:46 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:15:46 -0800 Subject: [LAU] EQ plug and 4-pin 1394 In-Reply-To: <20101201014408.GB3591@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4CF5245B.3060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4CF53681.7050909@anechoicmedia.com> <20101201014408.GB3591@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4CF5AFD2.7050308@anechoicmedia.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 1 03:41:47 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:41:47 -0800 Subject: [LAU] EQ plug and 4-pin 1394 In-Reply-To: <4CF5AFD2.7050308@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4CF5245B.3060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4CF53681.7050909@anechoicmedia.com> <20101201014408.GB3591@aieee.restivo.org> <4CF5AFD2.7050308@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <20101201034147.GB6152@aieee.restivo.org> I don't remember which one I bought. It was like 3 or 4 years ago. Just something cheap off of pricegrabber.com. I think it was $60. -ken ------------- On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 06:15:46PM -0800, Kim Cascone wrote: > > > > > > > Ken Restivo wrote: >
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There should be no issues. The 6-pin connector is literally the 4-pin
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The biggest issue with 1394 on Linux is the 1394 controller in the PC.
> You might look around for evidence that your specific hardware (the
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> > From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Dec 1 06:41:24 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:41:24 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Is it just me - Message-ID: <4CF5EE14.7060004@hawaii.rr.com> or does it appear that the only 88-key MIDI controller available with aftertouch is the Akai MPK88? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From compose59 at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 07:00:18 2010 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:00:18 +0300 Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis In-Reply-To: <4CF56A2D.5000407@volny.cz> References: <4CF56A2D.5000407@volny.cz> Message-ID: 2010/12/1 Michal Brun?t : > hi, > the solution is: > 1. ?install libjogl-java, liblwjgl-java (not sure if this is required), > libcsnd-java packages > 2. ?java -Xmx512m -Djogl.GLContext.nofree=true -Dsun.java2d.d3d=false > -Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true -Djava.library.path=/usr/lib/jni -cp > AVSynthesis.jar:./lib/* org.avs.AVSynthesis > > after this the stdout is: > AVSynthesis Version 33_05_11 > INIT GL IS: com.sun.opengl.impl.GLImpl > GL_VENDOR: Tungsten Graphics, Inc > GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT x86/MMX/SSE2 > GL_VERSION: 1.4 Mesa 7.9-devel > Chosen GLCapabilities: GLCapabilities [DoubleBuffered: true, Stereo: false, > HardwareAccelerated: true, DepthBits: 24, StencilBits: 8, Red: 8, Green: 8, > Blue: 8, Alpha: 0, Red Accum: 0, Green Accum: 0, Blue Accum: 0, Alpha Accum: > 0, Multisample: false ] > ARB_vertex_shader extension is supported continuing! > ARB_fragment_shader extension is supported continuing! > i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (66 out of 64) > i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (88 out of 64) > i915_program_error: Exceeded max nr indirect texture lookups (5 out of 4) > i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (75 out of 64) > i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (92 out of 64) > i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (70 out of 64) > > gui is running but no sound yet (I'm not familiar with controls) > > On 30.11.2010 11:35, alex stone wrote: >> >> I've been experimenting with Casound, and have Blue installed ok as a >> front end. (Nice app) >> >> I've tried AVSynthesis, but can't get it to start, as it throws up the >> following errors: >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> alex at parchmentstudios ~/Downloads/AVSynthesis_33_05_11 $ java -Xmx512m >> -Djava.library.path=./libo -cp AVSynthesiso.jar:./libo/* >> org.avs.AVSynthesis >> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: >> org/avs/AVSynthesis >> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.avs.AVSynthesis >> ? ? ? ? at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217) >> ? ? ? ? at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) >> ? ? ? ? at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205) >> ? ? ? ? at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:321) >> ? ? ? ? at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294) >> ? ? ? ? at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:266) >> Could not find the main class: org.avs.AVSynthesis. Program will exit. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> I've been through the dependencies, and everything seems to be ok. >> >> Any clues? >> >> Alex. >> > Michal. thanks for the input. I've still got errors with this, so i'll stick with blue for the time being. I'm on Gentoo 64bit, so no deb packages here. Regards, Alex. -- www.openoctave.org midi-subscribe at openoctave.org development-subscribe at openoctave.org From clemens at ladisch.de Wed Dec 1 07:48:58 2010 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:48:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Is it just me - In-Reply-To: <4CF5EE14.7060004@hawaii.rr.com> References: <4CF5EE14.7060004@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <4CF5FDEA.1000203@ladisch.de> david wrote: > or does it appear that the only 88-key MIDI controller available with > aftertouch is the Akai MPK88? A quick search on thomann.de shows a bunch of other ones: CME UF80 CME UF80 Classic DOEPFER LMK2+ 88T USB DOEPFER LMK4+ USB Fatar Studiologic NUMA Nero Fatar Studiologic VMK-88 plus Fatar Studiologic VMK-188 Plus KURZWEIL PC3 K KURZWEIL PC3 X KURZWEIL PC3LE 8 (Some are more (i.e., more expensive) than just controllers.) Regards, Clemens From peter at fuzzle.org Wed Dec 1 10:41:28 2010 From: peter at fuzzle.org (Peter Nelson) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:41:28 +0000 Subject: [LAU] alsa-driver 1.0.23 Message-ID: <1291200088.6582.11.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> Hi folks, Just tried to install alsa 1.0.23 on top of Debian Squeeze (kernel 2.6.32) to get things like snd-aloop. However it seems that snd-ice1712 cannot be built. The acinclude.m4 file says that the driver depends on CONFIG_BITREVERSE, which is set in the running kernel's config. Not sure where to go from here... Peter. From capoeirista at arcor.de Wed Dec 1 10:53:39 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:53:39 -0200 Subject: [LAU] alsa-driver 1.0.23 In-Reply-To: <1291200088.6582.11.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> References: <1291200088.6582.11.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <201012010853.40006.capoeirista@arcor.de> don't know if it's the same problem, but I couldn't build it here, too (Arch Linux). I had to use the dev version: http://www.alsa-project.org/snapshot/files/ Em quarta-feira 01 dezembro 2010, ?s 08:41:28, Peter Nelson escreveu: > Hi folks, > > Just tried to install alsa 1.0.23 on top of Debian Squeeze (kernel > 2.6.32) to get things like snd-aloop. However it seems that snd-ice1712 > cannot be built. > > The acinclude.m4 file says that the driver depends on CONFIG_BITREVERSE, > which is set in the running kernel's config. > > Not sure where to go from here... > > Peter. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From batzman-lau at all-electric.com Wed Dec 1 13:29:54 2010 From: batzman-lau at all-electric.com (Batz) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 23:59:54 +1030 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Y-ellow All. OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting much mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a computer out the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound cards. Well, OK, It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent. Ah them were the days... However I think my days of experiments in computer aerodynamics are behind me. :) I hope. I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move on and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self. The test bed is fairly simple... 2.8 gig P4 1 gig RAM Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card. Evolution MK249 USB keyboard. The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self. For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get sound and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much worried about the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux sampler only works as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI comes up in the MIDI tab of JACK. Everything else comes in under the ALSA tab. Which means there's no way to connect to it. Or no obvious way. Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi will load and lock it self and that's all. Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to test that. And this is not my current focus. So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to try another distro? Thanks in advance. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From robin at gareus.org Wed Dec 1 14:03:53 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:03:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> Hi Batz, just a quick re: On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote: > Y-ellow All. > OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting > much mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a > computer out the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound > cards. Well, OK, It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent. > Ah them were the days... However I think my days of experiments in > computer aerodynamics are behind me. :) I hope. > > I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so > much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I > need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move > on and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self. > > The test bed is fairly simple... > > 2.8 gig P4 > 1 gig RAM > Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card. > Evolution MK249 USB keyboard. > > The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a > proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self. > > For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not > both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get > sound and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much > worried about the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux > sampler only works as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI > comes up in the MIDI tab of JACK. Everything else comes in under the > ALSA tab. Which means there's no way to connect to it. Or no obvious way. run 'a2jmidi' > Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use > samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as > above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little > keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as > well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows > lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything > after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see > that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And > the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi > will load and lock it self and that's all. AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for prime-time, yet. > Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to > test that. And this is not my current focus. > > So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be > over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to > try another distro? > > Thanks in advance. > > Be absolutely icebox. > > _ __ _ > | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com > | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ > | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ > | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ > |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v > / ,__ > Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com > From diego.simak at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 14:04:49 2010 From: diego.simak at gmail.com (diego simak) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:04:49 -0200 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hi Batz, 2010/12/1 Batz : > Y-ellow All. > ? ? ? ?OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting much > mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a computer out > the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound cards. Well, OK, > It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent. Ah them were the > days... However I think my days of experiments in computer aerodynamics are > behind me. :) I hope. > > I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so > much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I > need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move on > and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self. > > The test bed is fairly simple... > > 2.8 gig P4 > 1 gig RAM > Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card. > Evolution MK249 USB keyboard. > > The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a > proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self. > > For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not > both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get sound > and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much worried about > the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux sampler only works > as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI comes up in the MIDI tab > of JACK. Everything else comes in under the ALSA tab. Which means there's no > way to connect to it. Or no obvious way. > This is where I can help you now: make sure that you select in jack setup (using qjackctl for example) the MIDI Driver as "seq" You can use also a2jmidid (http://home.gna.org/a2jmidid/) in order to expose the ALSA Midi ports in JACK good luck and dont give up > Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use samples as > oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as above, I can't > connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little keyboard applet/window, > it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as well. To the point of > requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows lock themselves and I can't > kill them. And JACK won't connect anything after that. I guess I could find > the process and kill it. I can't see that being very helpful up on stage in > front of an audience though. And the last time it crashed, it seems to have > crashed permanently. Yoshimi will load and lock it self and that's all. > > Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to test > that. And this is not my current focus. > > So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be > over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to try > another distro? > > Thanks in advance. > > Be absolutely icebox. > > ?_ __ ? ? ? ?_ > | "_ \ ? ? ?| | ? ? ? ? batzman-lau at all-electric.com > | |_)/ ?__ _| |_ ____ ? ? ? ? ? ?_-_|\ > | ?_ \ / _` | __|___ | ? ? ? ? ?/ ? ? \ > | |_) | (_| | |_ ?/ / ? ? ? ? ? \_.-*_/ > |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? v > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ ,__ > Goodfortune ? ?|_____| ? http://all-electric.com > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 14:19:09 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:19:09 -0800 Subject: [LAU] EQ plug and 4-pin 1394 In-Reply-To: <4CF5AFD2.7050308@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4CF5245B.3060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4CF53681.7050909@anechoicmedia.com> <20101201014408.GB3591@aieee.restivo.org> <4CF5AFD2.7050308@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > Ricoh chipets are, IIRC, the ones with extreme nonworkingness. Though it may > depend on which rev, I dunno. > It does. Some work OK. Again, the info comes for free. Google, 1394 users list, build a kernel and try it, etc., will gain some specific knowledge before spending money. > I had one, and nothing worked. I had to get an ExpressCard with a TI > chipset, and that one worked. > > > which ExpressCard I/O did you buy? Does your laptop offer some solution for adding external peripherals other than using USB or 1394? From diego.simak at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 14:19:49 2010 From: diego.simak at gmail.com (diego simak) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:19:49 -0200 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-midi_and_alsa-midi 2010/12/1 diego simak : > Hi Batz, > > 2010/12/1 Batz : >> Y-ellow All. >> ? ? ? ?OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting much >> mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a computer out >> the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound cards. Well, OK, >> It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent. Ah them were the >> days... However I think my days of experiments in computer aerodynamics are >> behind me. :) I hope. >> >> I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so >> much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I >> need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move on >> and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self. >> >> The test bed is fairly simple... >> >> 2.8 gig P4 >> 1 gig RAM >> Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card. >> Evolution MK249 USB keyboard. >> >> The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a >> proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self. >> >> For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not >> both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get sound >> and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much worried about >> the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux sampler only works >> as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI comes up in the MIDI tab >> of JACK. Everything else comes in under the ALSA tab. Which means there's no >> way to connect to it. Or no obvious way. >> > > This is where I can help you now: > make sure that you select in jack setup (using qjackctl for example) > the MIDI Driver as "seq" > You can use also a2jmidid (http://home.gna.org/a2jmidid/) in order to > expose the ALSA Midi ports in JACK > good luck and dont give up > more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-midi_and_alsa-midi >> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use samples as >> oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as above, I can't >> connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little keyboard applet/window, >> it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as well. To the point of >> requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows lock themselves and I can't >> kill them. And JACK won't connect anything after that. I guess I could find >> the process and kill it. I can't see that being very helpful up on stage in >> front of an audience though. And the last time it crashed, it seems to have >> crashed permanently. Yoshimi will load and lock it self and that's all. >> >> Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to test >> that. And this is not my current focus. >> >> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be >> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to try >> another distro? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Be absolutely icebox. >> >> ?_ __ ? ? ? ?_ >> | "_ \ ? ? ?| | ? ? ? ? batzman-lau at all-electric.com >> | |_)/ ?__ _| |_ ____ ? ? ? ? ? ?_-_|\ >> | ?_ \ / _` | __|___ | ? ? ? ? ?/ ? ? \ >> | |_) | (_| | |_ ?/ / ? ? ? ? ? \_.-*_/ >> |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? v >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ ,__ >> Goodfortune ? ?|_____| ? http://all-electric.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > From lsutton at libero.it Wed Dec 1 14:27:13 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:27:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4CF65B41.7060505@libero.it> Hi, Batz wrote: > Y-ellow All. > OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting > much mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a > computer out the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound > cards. Well, OK, It's not quite that bad but it's certainly > reminiscent. Ah them were the days... However I think my days of > experiments in computer aerodynamics are behind me. :) I hope. > > I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is > so much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So > ultimately; I need to know if I am wasting my time or should I > persist? Should I move on and try a different distro? Though I > actually like the distro it self. > > The test bed is fairly simple... > > 2.8 gig P4 > 1 gig RAM > Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card. > Evolution MK249 USB keyboard. > > The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as > a proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self. > > For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but > not both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I > get sound and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much > worried about the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux > sampler only works as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI > comes up in the MIDI tab of JACK. Everything else comes in under the > ALSA tab. Which means there's no way to connect to it. Or no obvious way. > > Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use > samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as > above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little > keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as > well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows > lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything > after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see > that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. > And the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. > Yoshimi will load and lock it self and that's all. > > Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to > test that. And this is not my current focus. > > So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd > be over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on > to try another distro? > > Thanks in advance. I don't known the distribution you mention but... for some of the things you talk of (like using samples as oscillators) did you have a look at Pure Data? You can easily connect midi and audio do very creative/exotic stuff. I'm sure if you're a 'hardware guy' (if I understand correctly) patching should be fun. Just 2 euro-cents, Lorenzo > > Be absolutely icebox. > > _ __ _ > | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com > | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ > | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ > | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ > |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v > / ,__ > Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From batzman-lau at all-electric.com Wed Dec 1 15:01:19 2010 From: batzman-lau at all-electric.com (Batz) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 01:31:19 +1030 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101202010939.01dbf5d8@mail.all-electric.com> Y-ellow All. And thanks for the help. Most appreciated. However, now JACK won't start at all. And a2jmidi clocks up an error message of it's own. With some difficulty, I have managed to capture those error messages and paste them here. Typos are all mine... JACK starts up with this.... ---------------- creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode cannot load driver module alsa 00:54:41.861 JACK was stopped successfully. 00:54:41.862 Post-shutdown script... 00:54:41.863 killall jackd jackd: no process found 00:54:42.278 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256. ---------------- And then a few seconds later, this error message pops up. And does so repeatedly every 20 seconds or so. ---------------- 00:54:43.855 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info. ---------------- a2jmidi on the other hand presents me with this error message. ---------------- Error a2j_jack_client_create: Cannot create jack client Error a2j_start: a2j_new() failed. ---------------- The first part of this seems to be saying that ALSA failed to locate the sound card? Maybe I should just re-install the whole thing from scratch. The one thing that WAS working reliably was the sound card it self. It would probably be quicker than trying to figure out what has actually become broken. Though on the other hand, perhaps I need to know if this is going to be an on-going concern? Can I be so foolish as to ask why there needs to be a `bridge' and `JACK' to do this? Is there some greater philosophical mechanism at play here? Is this some function of JACK also being able to connect to things like OSS and what ever they use on Macs these days? Anyway, Thanks guys. Much appreciated. Onward. Thanks for the headsup on Yoshimi. It will be a nice little synth then at some point. Hopefully soon. Thanks again. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From david.jo.adler at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 16:24:01 2010 From: david.jo.adler at gmail.com (David Adler) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:24:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: ... > On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote: ... >> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use >> samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as >> above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little >> keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as >> well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows >> lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything >> after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see >> that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And >> the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi >> will load and lock it self and that's all. > > AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for > prime-time, yet. > yes - yoshimi is experimental, though version 0.060.1 (the latest "stable" one) runs well here, and it does not exhibit the locking behaviour of some older versions. For the older ones, 'killall -9 yoshimi' should remove the frozen windows. best, d From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 1 16:32:48 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:32:48 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Is it just me - In-Reply-To: <4CF5FDEA.1000203@ladisch.de> References: <4CF5EE14.7060004@hawaii.rr.com> <4CF5FDEA.1000203@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <20101201163248.GA14049@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 08:48:58AM +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > david wrote: > > or does it appear that the only 88-key MIDI controller available with > > aftertouch is the Akai MPK88? > > A quick search on thomann.de shows a bunch of other ones: > CME UF80 > CME UF80 Classic > DOEPFER LMK2+ 88T USB > DOEPFER LMK4+ USB > Fatar Studiologic NUMA Nero > Fatar Studiologic VMK-88 plus > Fatar Studiologic VMK-188 Plus > KURZWEIL PC3 K > KURZWEIL PC3 X > KURZWEIL PC3LE 8 > > (Some are more (i.e., more expensive) than just controllers.) > > The CME UF8 88key had, IIRC, two zones of aftertouch, which was nice. It also weighed as much as a Rhodes 73. But had the best feel of any keyboard I've ever played, due to real hammers. Watch out though: the little rubber switches for the keys wear out, causing dead notes, and getting the correct part from CME can take months (I know this from personal experience). My Novation 61-key has aftertouch (one zone). Dunno if Novation makes an 88-key, but if they do, I'd venture a guess it also has aftertouch. I wrote a Python script to convert aftertouch to pitch bend, and use it constantly now. -ken From mbrunat at volny.cz Wed Dec 1 17:14:47 2010 From: mbrunat at volny.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Brun=E1t?=) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:14:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis In-Reply-To: References: <4CF56A2D.5000407@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4CF68287.9040207@volny.cz> this might help (if you are still interested in): http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/avsynthesis-blending-light-and-sound-opengl-and-csound5?page=0,0 On 1.12.2010 08:00, alex stone wrote: > 2010/12/1 Michal Brun?t: >> hi, >> the solution is: >> 1. install libjogl-java, liblwjgl-java (not sure if this is required), >> libcsnd-java packages >> 2. java -Xmx512m -Djogl.GLContext.nofree=true -Dsun.java2d.d3d=false >> -Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true -Djava.library.path=/usr/lib/jni -cp >> AVSynthesis.jar:./lib/* org.avs.AVSynthesis >> >> after this the stdout is: >> AVSynthesis Version 33_05_11 >> INIT GL IS: com.sun.opengl.impl.GLImpl >> GL_VENDOR: Tungsten Graphics, Inc >> GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT x86/MMX/SSE2 >> GL_VERSION: 1.4 Mesa 7.9-devel >> Chosen GLCapabilities: GLCapabilities [DoubleBuffered: true, Stereo: false, >> HardwareAccelerated: true, DepthBits: 24, StencilBits: 8, Red: 8, Green: 8, >> Blue: 8, Alpha: 0, Red Accum: 0, Green Accum: 0, Blue Accum: 0, Alpha Accum: >> 0, Multisample: false ] >> ARB_vertex_shader extension is supported continuing! >> ARB_fragment_shader extension is supported continuing! >> i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (66 out of 64) >> i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (88 out of 64) >> i915_program_error: Exceeded max nr indirect texture lookups (5 out of 4) >> i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (75 out of 64) >> i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (92 out of 64) >> i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (70 out of 64) >> >> gui is running but no sound yet (I'm not familiar with controls) >> >> On 30.11.2010 11:35, alex stone wrote: >>> I've been experimenting with Casound, and have Blue installed ok as a >>> front end. (Nice app) >>> >>> I've tried AVSynthesis, but can't get it to start, as it throws up the >>> following errors: >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> alex at parchmentstudios ~/Downloads/AVSynthesis_33_05_11 $ java -Xmx512m >>> -Djava.library.path=./libo -cp AVSynthesiso.jar:./libo/* >>> org.avs.AVSynthesis >>> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: >>> org/avs/AVSynthesis >>> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.avs.AVSynthesis >>> at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217) >>> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) >>> at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205) >>> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:321) >>> at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294) >>> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:266) >>> Could not find the main class: org.avs.AVSynthesis. Program will exit. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> I've been through the dependencies, and everything seems to be ok. >>> >>> Any clues? >>> >>> Alex. >>> > Michal. thanks for the input. I've still got errors with this, so i'll > stick with blue for the time being. > I'm on Gentoo 64bit, so no deb packages here. > > Regards, > > Alex. > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Dec 1 17:16:43 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:16:43 -0500 Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis In-Reply-To: <4CF68287.9040207@volny.cz> References: <4CF56A2D.5000407@volny.cz> <4CF68287.9040207@volny.cz> Message-ID: <4CF682FB.2070500@woh.rr.com> Michal Brun?t wrote: > this might help (if you are still interested in): > http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/avsynthesis-blending-light-and-sound-opengl-and-csound5?page=0,0 > It won't help much, if at all. AVS has changed a lot since then. Best, dp From mbrunat at volny.cz Wed Dec 1 17:38:01 2010 From: mbrunat at volny.cz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michal_Brun=E1t?=) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:38:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis In-Reply-To: <4CF682FB.2070500@woh.rr.com> References: <4CF56A2D.5000407@volny.cz> <4CF68287.9040207@volny.cz> <4CF682FB.2070500@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4CF687F9.2020001@volny.cz> yes, I noticed that too - it is outdated well this is actual (I hope) - https://docs.google.com/View?id=dfq5sj5w_80f9z8tb On 1.12.2010 18:16, Dave Phillips wrote: > Michal Brun?t wrote: >> this might help (if you are still interested in): >> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/avsynthesis-blending-light-and-sound-opengl-and-csound5?page=0,0 >> > > It won't help much, if at all. AVS has changed a lot since then. > > Best, > > dp > > > From cal at graggrag.com Wed Dec 1 19:23:35 2010 From: cal at graggrag.com (cal) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 06:23:35 +1100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4CF6A0B7.4090107@graggrag.com> On 02/12/10 01:03, Robin Gareus wrote: > Hi Batz, > > just a quick re: > > On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote: >> [ .. ] >> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use >> samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. [ ... ] Nope, it can't do that! Well, yet ... > AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for > prime-time, yet. Not entirely true. I'd consider 0.058.1 stable, and 0.060.1 is a minor advance on that with no threats to that inherent stability. There's been a steady stream of experimental versions, always tagged "-preX", so I suspect you're assessment is based on their reputation. Some of those experimentals have been erratic (to put it kindly), not so 0.058.1/0.060.1. cheers. From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Dec 1 20:25:46 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:25:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF6A0B7.4090107@graggrag.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> <4CF6A0B7.4090107@graggrag.com> Message-ID: <4CF6AF4A.5050407@autostatic.com> On 12/01/2010 08:23 PM, cal wrote: > On 02/12/10 01:03, Robin Gareus wrote: >> Hi Batz, >> >> just a quick re: >> >> On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote: >>> [ .. ] >>> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use >>> samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. [ ... ] > > Nope, it can't do that! Well, yet ... > > >> AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for >> prime-time, yet. > > Not entirely true. I'd consider 0.058.1 stable, and 0.060.1 is a minor > advance > on that with no threats to that inherent stability. There's been a > steady stream > of experimental versions, always tagged "-preX", so I suspect you're > assessment > is based on their reputation. Some of those experimentals have been > erratic (to > put it kindly), not so 0.058.1/0.060.1. > cheers. I second that. 0.58.1 runs very well here, several instances, instances with multiple parts. PHASEX can use samples too, not sure if it could use them as oscillators though. Best, Jeremy From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 2 07:50:00 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:50:00 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Is it just me - In-Reply-To: <4CF5FDEA.1000203@ladisch.de> References: <4CF5EE14.7060004@hawaii.rr.com> <4CF5FDEA.1000203@ladisch.de> Message-ID: <4CF74FA8.5090202@hawaii.rr.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: > david wrote: >> or does it appear that the only 88-key MIDI controller available with >> aftertouch is the Akai MPK88? > > A quick search on thomann.de shows a bunch of other ones: > CME UF80 Hmm, Sweetwater and zzounds say that one's no longer available. > CME UF80 Classic Found that one. > DOEPFER LMK2+ 88T USB > DOEPFER LMK4+ USB Can't find those in US stores. > Fatar Studiologic NUMA Nero > Fatar Studiologic VMK-88 plus > Fatar Studiologic VMK-188 Plus Thanks, those sound good, too. > KURZWEIL PC3 K > KURZWEIL PC3 X > KURZWEIL PC3LE 8 Yah, the Kurzweils are way outside my price range! > (Some are more (i.e., more expensive) than just controllers.) Thanks. Odd that they don't seem to be easy to find. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 2 08:01:13 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:01:13 -1000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4CF75249.9060702@hawaii.rr.com> Robin Gareus wrote: >> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use >> samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as >> above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little >> keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as >> well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows >> lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything >> after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see >> that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And >> the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi >> will load and lock it self and that's all. > > AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for > prime-time, yet. Works fine here. More cooperative with RT setups than Zyn is for me. Yoshimi has command line options for specifying whether it uses ALSA or JACK midi. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 2 08:05:23 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:05:23 -1000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF655C9.7040305@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4CF75343.1000200@hawaii.rr.com> David Adler wrote: > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > ... >> On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote: > ... >>> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use >>> samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as >>> above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little >>> keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as >>> well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows >>> lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything >>> after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see >>> that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And >>> the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi >>> will load and lock it self and that's all. >> AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for >> prime-time, yet. >> > yes - yoshimi is experimental, though version 0.060.1 (the latest > "stable" one) runs well here, and it does not exhibit the locking > behaviour of some older versions. Hmmm, I've never had Yoshimi lock. And I'm not up to version 0.060.1 yet! I have had Zyn lock, though, especially when using latencies lower than 32ms on RT kernels. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 2 08:12:54 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:12:54 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Is it just me - In-Reply-To: <20101201163248.GA14049@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4CF5EE14.7060004@hawaii.rr.com> <4CF5FDEA.1000203@ladisch.de> <20101201163248.GA14049@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4CF75506.8070109@hawaii.rr.com> Ken Restivo wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 08:48:58AM +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: >> david wrote: >>> or does it appear that the only 88-key MIDI controller available with >>> aftertouch is the Akai MPK88? >> A quick search on thomann.de shows a bunch of other ones: >> CME UF80 >> CME UF80 Classic >> DOEPFER LMK2+ 88T USB >> DOEPFER LMK4+ USB >> Fatar Studiologic NUMA Nero >> Fatar Studiologic VMK-88 plus >> Fatar Studiologic VMK-188 Plus >> KURZWEIL PC3 K >> KURZWEIL PC3 X >> KURZWEIL PC3LE 8 >> >> (Some are more (i.e., more expensive) than just controllers.) > > The CME UF8 88key had, IIRC, two zones of aftertouch, which was nice. It also weighed as much as a Rhodes 73. But had the best feel of any keyboard I've ever played, due to real hammers. Watch out though: the little rubber switches for the keys wear out, causing dead notes, and getting the correct part from CME can take months (I know this from personal experience). Sounds like I shouldn't buy a used one, then. > My Novation 61-key has aftertouch (one zone). Dunno if Novation makes an 88-key, but if they do, I'd venture a guess it also has aftertouch. I checked, they don't make an 88-key version. > I wrote a Python script to convert aftertouch to pitch bend, and use it constantly now. That's along the lines of what I'm thinking of using aftertouch for. That would be very useful! -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Dec 2 08:40:47 2010 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:40:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: > Y-ellow All. [snip] > > So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be > over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to > try another distro? All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the last steps in the life of 64Studio.... I am about to download it anyway now and will report, if I have the same trouble... best regs hzn > > Thanks in advance. > > Be absolutely icebox. > > _ __ _ > | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com > | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ > | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ > | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ > |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v > / ,__ > Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM91uPAAoJEJHZtoU6N0Dy8csH/21gpPp9d9uDwMO/4iH9zV9s Fmh+TNdM489+I2Nh57RFCGgJ3CJz8FRdvdohWcp+Kzp5IybM8kOWPI1uWwL46zuO RcltGYGQcJsdnfXGrK4KwXEJhfVx/VBJmPfqJHZ9+7tcqtH5e14sS4Xyqv2WMeCB iHMBuThKKLuXoHxoQTcbYHr4TSkSOjhSAE8oJTy4suuXCql7SPEflHwKq5RCoTvv r76FnsG3heCTBgFM5T0zcDK8TPuZKlAycJeUvgocmZW7rP37+2WwXSketaNc/z8E 6pkpq+B9YRSDWA82YJJ54Q4AeUVXK9DPs78bwIqtE5v4InbFHwck1sb9fU+Kelc= =pU/R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From batzman-lau at all-electric.com Thu Dec 2 08:51:18 2010 From: batzman-lau at all-electric.com (Batz) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 19:21:18 +1030 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101202191716.01e8d360@mail.all-electric.com> Y-ellow Hartmut 'n' all. At 09:40 AM 12/2/2010 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: >[snip] > >All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating >AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. >Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has >switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the >last steps in the life of 64Studio.... > >I am about to download it anyway now and will report, if I have the same >trouble... Thanks for that confirmation. I thought surely this couldn't just be me. It's now pretty much fallen into an unusable heap. The entire OS crashes for no apparent reason and I have to resort to a hard restart. I'll try a different distro. Thanks again. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From batzman-lau at all-electric.com Thu Dec 2 09:52:08 2010 From: batzman-lau at all-electric.com (Batz) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:22:08 +1030 Subject: [LAU] Audigy 2 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101202201720.01e0ef30@mail.all-electric.com> Y-ellow All. What can we do with something like an Audigy 2? Yeah I know it's a Creati-flabs sound card but it's hardware and it's PCI. And they're everywhere second hand for not much cash. Obviously I'm not interested in what wonderful gaming performance this thing has. Only in using it as a wavetable synth. Which means not only does it need to play back samples but I need to be able edit the parameters. Soundfonts aren't exactly the most flexible format but it would be better than nothing. And being hardware, all the software has to do is control it. Hopefully without a huge software overhead. What I was thinking was cobbling together a stripped down RT linux distro of some kind. Frugal enough to run on one of these tiny MO-bos I have kicking around. All it has to do is host the sound card and allow me to edit and control it. Let the hardware do the rest. I use to get away with an AWE32 for years. It was highly serviceable and never let me down. I'd go back to that right now if it were technically feasible. The thing had a hidden S/PDIF out on it, which, with the addition of an isolating transformer, was damn near perfect. Ok so it's filters were lame. It's effects were basic. But someone had written a little app that allowed the user to access all the hidden parameters and you could make it do some well wicked stuff. Even though no-one knew what most of them actually controlled. If there was a way of using something like an Audigy 2 card and building a sampler, but with the stability of a linux host, I'd be all ears. Thanks in advance. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From hollunder at lavabit.com Thu Dec 2 09:55:45 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:55:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <1291283625-sup-6678@eris> Excerpts from diego simak's message of 2010-12-01 15:19:49 +0100: > more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here: > > http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-midi_and_alsa-midi Another one, hopefully helpful: http://murks.lima-city.de/serendipity/index.php?/archives/7-ALSA-and-JACK-MIDI-explained-by-a-dummy-for-dummies.html The whole blog might vanish from that host anytime, so better don't bookmark it. From hollunder at lavabit.com Thu Dec 2 09:59:25 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:59:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: > > Y-ellow All. > [snip] > > > > So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be > > over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to > > try another distro? > > All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating > AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. > Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has > switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the > last steps in the life of 64Studio.... 64studio is dead? Sounds like ubuntu is a real killer distro :) From diego.simak at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 10:58:21 2010 From: diego.simak at gmail.com (diego simak) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 08:58:21 -0200 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <1291283625-sup-6678@eris> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <1291283625-sup-6678@eris> Message-ID: Thanks for posting it Phillip cheers! Diego 2010/12/2 Philipp ?berbacher : > Excerpts from diego simak's message of 2010-12-01 15:19:49 +0100: >> more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here: >> >> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-midi_and_alsa-midi > > Another one, hopefully helpful: > http://murks.lima-city.de/serendipity/index.php?/archives/7-ALSA-and-JACK-MIDI-explained-by-a-dummy-for-dummies.html > > The whole blog might vanish from that host anytime, so better don't > bookmark it. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Dec 2 11:44:20 2010 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> Message-ID: <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: > Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: >>> Y-ellow All. >> [snip] >>> >>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be >>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to >>> try another distro? >> >> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating >> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. >> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has >> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the >> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... > > 64studio is dead? Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... > Sounds like ubuntu is a real killer distro :) Ubuntu has its merits and if is a very okayish desktop-distro. But for serius audio-use .... best regs and no offence ment HZN/berlin > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Dec 2 11:52:05 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:52:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4CF78865.8030104@autostatic.com> On 12/02/2010 12:44 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote: > But for > serius audio-use .... ...It suits me very well. Best, Jeremy From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 2 12:13:05 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:13:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4CF78D51.7040803@email.dk> On 2010-12-02 12:44, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Ubuntu has its merits and if is a very okayish desktop-distro. But for > serius audio-use .... I consider myself serious and I'm quite happy with ubuntu... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Dec 2 12:37:30 2010 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:37:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF78865.8030104@autostatic.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <4CF78865.8030104@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CF7930A.7020104@linuxuse.de> Am 02.12.2010 12:52, schrieb Jeremy Jongepier: > On 12/02/2010 12:44 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote: >> But for >> serius audio-use .... > > ...It suits me very well. I use it on a daily basis on my laptop too. And I can run all recent audio-apps including ardour3, CALF-SVN and so on. But the performance is OK, not top-notch. On my production-machine the differnce is less prominent but still clear to see. I can run OpenSuse with jengelh-Kernel perfectly stable at 5.33 ms Latency and heavy load. Ubuntu Studio never allowed this without many xruns, not even at 10ms it runs the same as flawless as OpenSuse/jengelh or Fedora/CCRMA do. But again: I do not mean any offence. Ubuntu has other virtues and its audio-performance is OK/perfectly usable and the packages in its repos are excellent. > > Best, > > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Dec 2 13:01:43 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 14:01:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] EQ plug and 4-pin 1394 In-Reply-To: <4CF5245B.3060404@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4CF5245B.3060404@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4CF798B7.8020805@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 11/30/2010 05:20 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > 1- can anyone recommend a LADSPA or Windows VST plug (want to use in > Ardour) that approaches the quality and flexibility of the GRM Equalize > plug? > http://www.grmtools.org/qt/files/Equalize_ST.html for studio work, i'd advise against using graphic eqs. if you look at the actual results (rather than the nice "graph" of your sliders), you'll break a sweat :) i find fons' FIL plugin (with the nice graphical lv2 ui written by nedko, google for lv2fil, or your distro might already have it) solves most issues. the only other things i use in addition to that are steep low and highpass filters, sometimes. > 2- my Dell laptop has a 4-pin firewire output and was wondering if there > are any issues with using a 4 pin cable for a 6 pin I/O other than not > supplying power? > I know I have to supply power to the box since a 4-pin 1394 connector > doesn't carry DC power. no other issues. i found that a 4pin connector is usually a tighter fit and seems more trustworthy to me than its big brother... From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Dec 2 14:17:48 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:17:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: > > Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: > >>> Y-ellow All. > >> [snip] > >>> > >>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be > >>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to > >>> try another distro? > >> > >> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating > >> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. > >> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has > >> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the > >> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... > > > > 64studio is dead? > > Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... > I've been waiting for an update on this too :( However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages I want. If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From lsutton at libero.it Thu Dec 2 14:20:14 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:20:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF78D51.7040803@email.dk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <4CF78D51.7040803@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CF7AB1E.9060708@libero.it> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-02 12:44, Hartmut Noack wrote: > >> Ubuntu has its merits and if is a very okayish desktop-distro. But for >> serius audio-use .... > > I consider myself serious and I'm quite happy with ubuntu... It is also very good for fun audio-use :) From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 14:26:37 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:26:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> Message-ID: <4CF7AC9D.2080907@gmail.com> > However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a > minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages > I want. > > If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. > > If it cost you not to much time... it's always interesting to see how others make their Linuxaudio desktop environment. \r From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Dec 2 14:46:28 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:46:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7930A.7020104@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <4CF78865.8030104@autostatic.com> <4CF7930A.7020104@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4CF7B144.6070803@autostatic.com> On 12/02/2010 01:37 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote: > But again: I do not mean any offence. Ubuntu has other virtues and its > audio-performance is OK/perfectly usable and the packages in its repos > are excellent. One of these other virtues is that it is a quite ordinary Linux distribution that is just as tweakable as any other ordinary Linux distribution. I'm not offended but I just feel I have to try to refute the point of view that Ubuntu couldn't be used in a pro-audio environement. That is simply not true. Best, Jeremy From harryhaaren at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 15:01:42 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:01:42 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: For the "ubuntu-like" "pro-audio" experience, try Pure::Dyne. Installable liveCD available. 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Beddingfield) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 09:20:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Folderol wrote: >> > 64studio is dead? >> >> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... > > I've been waiting for an update on this too :( I think this is about as close as you'll get an official announcement: http://lists.64studio.com/pipermail/64studio-devel/2010-July/006880.html -gabriel From daniel at 64studio.com Thu Dec 2 15:27:22 2010 From: daniel at 64studio.com (Daniel James) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:27:22 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> Message-ID: <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> Hi Will, >> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... > I've been waiting for an update on this too :( Stay tuned, there will be a public announcement next month :-) As for Debian vs. Ubuntu, using Ubuntu as a base for the 64 Studio 3.x series releases forced a number of compromises which I was never entirely happy with. We're now using Squeeze-based components to create our next distro, and I'm glad to say that the early performance results are very promising. Cheers! Daniel From linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Thu Dec 2 15:33:33 2010 From: linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 16:33:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Can someone recommend me a PCI/PCI-X multi-channel audio card please? Message-ID: <20101202153327.GE21012@michelle1> Hello *, I have a small IBM eServer 335 and I want to transform it into a streaming server, what I am currently missing ist the Audio Card. I need only 4-8 Strereo Audio IN and nothing else. I have some trays of AD1888 Chips here and can design a PCI/PCI-X card may own, but currently I have to much to do and not the nerv to do it. Can someone recommend me a good quality but not expensive PCI or PCI-X multi-channel audio card please? 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From daniel at 64studio.com Thu Dec 2 15:34:23 2010 From: daniel at 64studio.com (Daniel James) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:34:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> Message-ID: <4CF7BC7F.2050302@64studio.com> Hi Gabriel, > I think this is about as close as you'll get an official announcement: > > http://lists.64studio.com/pipermail/64studio-devel/2010-July/006880.html For commercial reasons, I had to be a little cryptic there. There will be an announcement in mid-January which I think will make everything clear. Cheers! Daniel From jh at brainiac.com Thu Dec 2 15:45:01 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:45:01 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Can someone recommend me a PCI/PCI-X multi-channel audio card please? In-Reply-To: <20101202153327.GE21012@michelle1> References: <20101202153327.GE21012@michelle1> Message-ID: <20101202104501.809d6f58.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 16:33:33 +0100 Michelle Konzack wrote: > Can someone recommend me a good quality but not expensive PCI or PCI-X > multi-channel audio card please? > > Note: I have the M-Audio 1010 but it s a killer and ways to expensive Whoops, there goes my recommendation. I have 2 of them and I am thrilled with 'em. What do you mean by "it's a killer?" You might find the 1010LT more reasonable in price (~$200 USD on Ebay). -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From bifz at libero.it Thu Dec 2 15:51:11 2010 From: bifz at libero.it (da) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:51:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audigy 2 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101202201720.01e0ef30@mail.all-electric.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101202201720.01e0ef30@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: Il 02/12/2010 10:52, Batz ha scritto: > Y-ellow All. > What can we do with something like an Audigy 2? Yeah I know it's a > Creati-flabs sound card but it's hardware and it's PCI. And they're > everywhere second hand for not much cash. > > Hi, i do not have an audigy2 card, but looking at the alsa sound card matrix, it should be supported by emu10k1 or emu10k2 module. It also says that is possible to load sf2 samples via sfxload utility (part of awesfx). da. refs: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Emu10k1 From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 16:08:32 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:08:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> Message-ID: <4CF7C480.20409@gmail.com> On 12/02/2010 04:27 PM, Daniel James wrote: > > Stay tuned, there will be a public announcement next month :-) > > As for Debian vs. Ubuntu, using Ubuntu as a base for the 64 Studio 3.x > series releases forced a number of compromises which I was never > entirely happy with. > And those are? Regards, \r From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 16:14:21 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:14:21 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Ardour - exporting to CCITT ulaw format Message-ID: Hello everyone, We are putting in a Cisco phone system at work, and I have to record the prompts and menus. The audio files must be in this format: CCITT ulaw, 8Khz, 8 bit mono. Can Ardour export in this format, or do I need to use some other conversion utility once the files are recorded? I've never had to do any format conversions of any kind, so this is very new territory for me. Any advice would be very much appreciated! :) Thank you, Josh -- Josh Lawrence "Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be not prejudiced against names unknown to you." ~Robert Schumann From spamatica at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 16:18:56 2010 From: spamatica at gmail.com (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:18:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Audigy 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101202201720.01e0ef30@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: Hi, It's been a while since I used one of those, nearly forgotten about it. I have however used both emu10k and audigy cards and as I recall it worked just fine. I suppose these cards are virtually free on ebay or similar, I'd recommend just go ahead and try it. Regards, Robert 2010/12/2 da : > Il 02/12/2010 10:52, Batz ha scritto: >> >> Y-ellow All. >> What can we do with something like an Audigy 2? Yeah I know it's a >> Creati-flabs sound card but it's hardware and it's PCI. And they're >> everywhere second hand for not much cash. >> >> > > Hi, i do not have an audigy2 card, but looking at the alsa sound card > matrix, it should be supported by emu10k1 or emu10k2 module. ?It also says > that is possible to load sf2 samples via ?sfxload utility (part of awesfx). > > da. > > refs: > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs > http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Emu10k1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From jh at brainiac.com Thu Dec 2 16:23:27 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:23:27 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour - exporting to CCITT ulaw format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101202112327.b565dd95.jh@brainiac.com> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:14:21 -0600 Josh Lawrence wrote: > We are putting in a Cisco phone system at work, and I have to record > the prompts and menus. The audio files must be in this format: CCITT > ulaw, 8Khz, 8 bit mono. Can Ardour export in this format, or do I > need to use some other conversion utility once the files are recorded? The best way to do this would be to export as a mono file, then use SoX to resample. Details on converting (and more about telephony and file formats used) is here: http://developer.voicegenie.com/documentation/tutorials/tut_audio_formats.html#SOX -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From daniel at 64studio.com Thu Dec 2 16:26:45 2010 From: daniel at 64studio.com (Daniel James) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:26:45 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7C480.20409@gmail.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7C480.20409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CF7C8C5.4050301@64studio.com> Hi Rosea, >> As for Debian vs. Ubuntu, using Ubuntu as a base for the 64 Studio 3.x >> series releases forced a number of compromises which I was never >> entirely happy with. >> > And those are? The main issues were the regular breakage of packages which were important to us, especially in universe, and the integration of PulseAudio. Ubuntu moves forward boldly, but not always in the direction we wanted to go :-) We still package for Ubuntu, and produce bespoke versions for our customers. We just felt that squeeze would be a better choice for our next audio workstation distro. Cheers! Daniel From allcoms at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 17:01:58 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:01:58 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Daniel James wrote: > Hi Will, > >>> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... > >> I've been waiting for an update on this too :( > > Stay tuned, there will be a public announcement next month :-) > > As for Debian vs. Ubuntu, using Ubuntu as a base for the 64 Studio 3.x > series releases forced a number of compromises which I was never > entirely happy with. We're now using Squeeze-based components to create > our next distro, and I'm glad to say that the early performance results > are very promising. That is good news indeed! I know a lot of people were miffed when you announced you were switching to using buntu as the base for the new version and rightfully so- especially since 10.04 as the distro seems to be spiralling to its demise with stupid decisions. Ubuntu does a few things that (greatly) improve its user-friendliness for noobs hence its what I used to recommend to beginners but I can't recommend something that doesn't work properly so now I'll be recommending Debian Mint to newbs or the new 64studio when that gets released for people who want to do audio- when it finally arrives (version 6.6?;) From mestelan at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 17:13:46 2010 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:13:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: On 2 December 2010 09:40, Hartmut Noack wrote: > > All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating > AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. > Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has > switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the > last steps in the life of 64Studio.... From daniel at 64studio.com Thu Dec 2 17:14:35 2010 From: daniel at 64studio.com (Daniel James) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:14:35 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> Message-ID: <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> Hi allcoms, > I know a lot of people were miffed when you > announced you were switching to using buntu as the base It made a certain amount of sense at the time. Our customers were asking for Ubuntu rather than Debian, and the timed release cycle of Ubuntu looked attractive. > I'll be > recommending Debian Mint to newbs or the new 64studio when that gets > released for people who want to do audio- when it finally arrives > (version 6.6?;) The new distro will be a little different, in that it will be pro-audio-specific rather than general-creative-desktop. So it will be under a new name and numbering scheme. Cheers! Daniel From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 17:19:44 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:19:44 -0600 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Folderol wrote: > If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. I would be very interested in seeing that as well! -- Josh Lawrence "Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be not prejudiced against names unknown to you." ~Robert Schumann From harryhaaren at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 17:22:17 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:22:17 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Daniel James wrote: > The new distro will be a little different, in that it will be > pro-audio-specific rather than general-creative-desktop. Debian specialized audio spin. :-) Looking forward. When / where will a testing ISO be on offer? Would be intrested in testing a bit... -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Dec 2 17:31:02 2010 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 18:31:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> Message-ID: <4CF7D7D6.2040907@linuxuse.de> Am 02.12.2010 16:20, schrieb Gabriel M. Beddingfield: > > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Folderol wrote: > >>> > 64studio is dead? >>> >>> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... >> >> I've been waiting for an update on this too :( > > I think this is about as close as you'll get an official announcement: > > http://lists.64studio.com/pipermail/64studio-devel/2010-July/006880.html Very interesting info, thanks a lot :-) HZN/berlin > > -gabriel > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From capoeirista at arcor.de Thu Dec 2 17:36:33 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:36:33 -0200 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7B144.6070803@autostatic.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF7930A.7020104@linuxuse.de> <4CF7B144.6070803@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <201012021536.33714.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em quinta-feira 02 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:46:28, Jeremy Jongepier escreveu: > On 12/02/2010 01:37 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote: > > But again: I do not mean any offence. Ubuntu has other virtues and its > > audio-performance is OK/perfectly usable and the packages in its repos > > are excellent. > > One of these other virtues is that it is a quite ordinary Linux > distribution that is just as tweakable as any other ordinary Linux > distribution. I'm not offended but I just feel I have to try to refute > the point of view that Ubuntu couldn't be used in a pro-audio > environement. That is simply not true. > > Best, > > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > sure, you can instal ubuntu-minimal and make your own "distro" i did that and it was fine. you gotta choose the distro the packaging you like/serves you the most. that's why i switched to Arch, not because ubuntu doesn't work From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Dec 2 17:38:19 2010 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 18:38:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> Message-ID: <4CF7D98B.8090304@linuxuse.de> Am 02.12.2010 18:14, schrieb Daniel James: > Hi allcoms, > >> I know a lot of people were miffed when you >> announced you were switching to using buntu as the base > > It made a certain amount of sense at the time. Our customers were asking > for Ubuntu rather than Debian, and the timed release cycle of Ubuntu > looked attractive. > >> I'll be >> recommending Debian Mint to newbs or the new 64studio when that gets >> released for people who want to do audio- when it finally arrives >> (version 6.6?;) > > The new distro will be a little different, in that it will be > pro-audio-specific rather than general-creative-desktop. Big, broad smile from ear to ear :-) I considered "electric" justifying its name extremely well and look forward to a worthy successor. Anything one could do to help? best regards HZN > So it will be > under a new name and numbering scheme. > > Cheers! > > Daniel > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From ronaldjstewart at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 18:31:07 2010 From: ronaldjstewart at gmail.com (Ronald Stewart) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:31:07 -0800 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7D98B.8090304@linuxuse.de> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> <4CF7D98B.8090304@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Transmission is only 39.00 for LAU and LAD. We are at 4.2 now. Thank you Ron Www.indamixx.com On Thursday, December 2, 2010, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 02.12.2010 18:14, schrieb Daniel James: >> Hi allcoms, >> >>> I know a lot of people were miffed when you >>> announced you were switching to using buntu as the base >> >> It made a certain amount of sense at the time. Our customers were asking >> for Ubuntu rather than Debian, and the timed release cycle of Ubuntu >> looked attractive. >> >>> I'll be >>> recommending Debian Mint to newbs or the new 64studio when that gets >>> released for people who want to do audio- when it finally arrives >>> (version 6.6?;) >> >> The new distro will be a little different, in that it will be >> pro-audio-specific rather than general-creative-desktop. > > Big, broad smile from ear to ear :-) > > I considered "electric" justifying its name extremely well and look > forward to a worthy successor. > > Anything one could do to help? > > best regards > > HZN > >> So it will be >> under a new name and numbering scheme. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Daniel >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From f.rech at yahoo.fr Thu Dec 2 20:03:06 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:03:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> Message-ID: <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> Folderol a ?crit : > On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 > Hartmut Noack wrote: > > >> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: >> >>> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: >>>> >>>>> Y-ellow All. >>>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be >>>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to >>>>> try another distro? >>>>> >>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating >>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. >>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has >>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the >>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... >>>> >>> 64studio is dead? >>> >> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... >> >> > > I've been waiting for an update on this too :( > > However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a > minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages > I want. > > If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. > > Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to stable ! 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Or alternatively, should I move on to >>>>>> try another distro? >>>>>> >>>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating >>>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. >>>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has >>>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the >>>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... >>>>> >>>> 64studio is dead? >>>> >>> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... >>> >>> >> >> I've been waiting for an update on this too :( >> >> However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a >> minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages >> I want. >> >> If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. >> >> > Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to > stable ! By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian. They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia \r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Dec 2 20:17:19 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:17:19 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> Message-ID: <20101202201719.67d9f2ef@debian> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:14:35 +0000 Daniel James wrote: > The new distro will be a little different, in that it will be > pro-audio-specific rather than general-creative-desktop. Exactly what I want :D -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 20:19:49 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:19:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CF7FF65.30003@gmail.com> On 12/02/2010 09:13 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/02/2010 09:03 PM, fred wrote: >> Folderol a ?crit : >>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 >>> Hartmut Noack wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: >>>> >>>>> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: >>>>> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Y-ellow All. >>>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be >>>>>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to >>>>>>> try another distro? >>>>>>> >>>>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating >>>>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. >>>>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has >>>>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the >>>>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... >>>>>> >>>>> 64studio is dead? >>>>> >>>> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I've been waiting for an update on this too :( >>> >>> However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a >>> minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages >>> I want. >>> >>> If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. >>> >>> >> Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to >> stable ! > > By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian. > They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome. > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia Yes, 'all' multimedia and proaudio packages in Debian and almost all in Ubuntu are packaged by the Debian Multimedia Team! Also people who have Ubuntu as main distro, work for that team, cause when it's in Debian it's deadly simple and fast to get it in the Ubuntu repo's to. So multimedia (PPA) packagers, join the team and help improve Debian | Ubuntu | Linux for proaudio (and backport it to your famous PPA if you like). :) http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia Kind regards, \r (More info about Debian blends http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends) More info http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Dec 2 20:49:03 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:49:03 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:03:06 +0100 fred wrote: > Folderol a ?crit : > > On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 > > Hartmut Noack wrote: > > > > > >> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: > >> > >>> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: > >>> > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>> > >>>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: > >>>> > >>>>> Y-ellow All. > >>>>> > >>>> [snip] > >>>> > >>>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be > >>>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to > >>>>> try another distro? > >>>>> > >>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating > >>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. > >>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has > >>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the > >>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... > >>>> > >>> 64studio is dead? > >>> > >> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... > >> > >> > > > > I've been waiting for an update on this too :( > > > > However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a > > minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages > > I want. > > > > If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. > > > > > Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to > stable ! > Thanks in advance, > Fred > Wow!, I wasn't expecting that much interest. OK here it is: install from disk and unmark 'desktop' and 'standard' log in as root using apt-get-install xorg synaptic pulls in sudo and a lot of useful base level stuff python-dbus openbox obconf rox-filer in /etc/sudoers add line: {username} ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/synaptic, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot run startx, xterm, rox, obconf to create default files create ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh with: rox -S & using apt-get-install mingetty in /etc/inittab change: respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 to: respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin {username} --noclear tty1 add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile startx use iceweasel to fetch the following rox apps rox-lib2 tar xvjf rox-lib2* as root move contents to /usr/local/lib/ archive tar xvjf archive* can now use archive to unpack others rox-Clib_xxx move as /usr/lib/ROX-CLib traylib rename to just TrayLib and as root move to /usr/local/lib/ devtray so we can use usb sticks in ROX from the desktop install: libusb-1.0-0 inkscape k3b kcalc kchars krename kwrite gftp gimp gkrellm gnome-system-monitor gparted for audio install the following: enable audio when asked qjackctl pulls in a lot! alsamixergui alsaplayer-jack alsa-utils ardour audacious audacity easytag hydrogen jack-rack jamin japa lillypond meterbridge qsynth rakarrack timemachine vkeybd vorbis-tools as root alsactl init (ignore errors) reboot and use alsamixer to bring up levels (will be silent otherwise) temporarily add the following to repositories: deb cdrom:[64studio 3.3-alpha2 (1)]/ karmic main deb http://apt.64studio.com/backports/ hardy-backports main ignore errors install multimedia kernel 2.6.29 disable these repositories but keep then 'just in case' reboot and select new kernel check for RT kernel with uname -a should include PREEMP and RT edit /etc/default/grub change GRUB_DEFAULT=0 to GRUB_DEFAULT={number of wanted menu item as default, counting from 0} run 'update-grub' for compiling music progs: automake build-essential cmake cmake-curses dssi-dev fluid git-all libasound2-dev libfftw3-dev libjack-dev liblircclient-dev liblo-dev liblrdf0-dev libmxml-dev libqt4-dev libsamplerate0-dev libsndfile1-dev libxml++2.6-dev subversion xutils-dev zlib1g-dev compile and standard install lame -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 21:40:36 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 22:40:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF7C8C5.4050301@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7C480.20409@gmail.com> <4CF7C8C5.4050301@64studio.com> Message-ID: <4CF81254.7050505@gmail.com> On 12/02/2010 05:26 PM, Daniel James wrote: > Hi Rosea, > > >>> As for Debian vs. Ubuntu, using Ubuntu as a base for the 64 Studio 3.x >>> series releases forced a number of compromises which I was never >>> entirely happy with. >>> >>> >> And those are? >> > The main issues were the regular breakage of packages which were > important to us, especially in universe, and the integration of > PulseAudio. Ubuntu moves forward boldly, but not always in the direction > we wanted to go :-) > > We still package for Ubuntu, and produce bespoke versions for our > customers. We just felt that squeeze would be a better choice for our > next audio workstation distro. > Hey Daniel, In the Debian Multimedia Team there is the idea or maybe even the plan to make some sort of multimedia backports repo (from experimental / unstable / testing) for Squeeze, maybe this could be a collaborate effort with the 64studio team? Less work, more packages, more quality :) \r http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia From allcoms at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 22:18:36 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:18:36 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> Message-ID: Hi Folderol and list! I think your debian LA config crib sheet should've been a new thread as I can see this spawning a lot of debate and tweaks. When I'm feeling better I may modify yours to how I do it but as for now I'll just address a couple of standout points: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Folderol wrote: > On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:03:06 +0100 > fred wrote: > >> Folderol a ?crit : >> > On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 >> > Hartmut Noack wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: >> >> >> >>> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: >> >>> >> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>>> Hash: SHA1 >> >>>> >> >>>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Y-ellow All. >> >>>>> >> >>>> [snip] >> >>>> >> >>>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be >> >>>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to >> >>>>> try another distro? >> >>>>> >> >>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating >> >>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. >> >>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has >> >>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the >> >>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... >> >>>> >> >>> 64studio is dead? >> >>> >> >> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... >> >> >> >> >> > >> > I've been waiting for an update on this too :( >> > >> > However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a >> > minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages >> > I want. >> > >> > If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. >> > >> > >> Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to >> stable ! >> Thanks in advance, >> Fred >> > > Wow!, I wasn't expecting that much interest. OK here it is: > > > install from disk and unmark 'desktop' and 'standard' > > log in as root > > using apt-get-install > ? ? ? ?xorg > ? ? ? ?synaptic ? ? ? ?pulls in sudo and a lot of useful base level stuff > ? ? ? ?python-dbus > ? ? ? ?openbox > ? ? ? ?obconf > ? ? ? ?rox-filer Rox filer? Not for me squire. When it was a gtk1 app it was lightning fast but then when it switched to gtk2 it lost all appear for me. No RMB on file to copy (ie having to open the target dir in a new window) is a bit of a bind. Thunar FTW! ;) > > in /etc/sudoers add line: > ? ? ? ?{username} ?ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/synaptic, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot > > run startx, xterm, rox, obconf to create default files > ? ? ? ?create ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh with: > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?rox -S & > > using apt-get-install > ? ? ? ?mingetty > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?in /etc/inittab change: > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?respawn:/sbin/getty ? 38400 ?tty1 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?to: > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin {username} --noclear > tty1 > > add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile > ? ? ? ?startx > > > use iceweasel to fetch the following rox apps > ? ? ? ?rox-lib2 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?tar xvjf rox-lib2* > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?as root move contents to /usr/local/lib/ > > ? ? ? ?archive > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?tar xvjf archive* > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?can now use archive to unpack others > > ? ? ? ?rox-Clib_xxx > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?move as /usr/lib/ROX-CLib > > ? ? ? ?traylib > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?rename to just TrayLib and as root move to /usr/local/lib/ > > ? ? ? ?devtray ? ? ? ? so we can use usb sticks in ROX > All that can be dropped if the user forgoes rox of course. > from the desktop install: > ? ? ? ?libusb-1.0-0 > ? ? ? ?inkscape > ? ? ? ?k3b > ? ? ? ?kcalc > ? ? ? ?kchars > ? ? ? ?krename > ? ? ? ?kwrite > ? ? ? ?gftp > ? ? ? ?gimp > ? ? ? ?gkrellm > ? ? ? ?gnome-system-monitor > ? ? ? ?gparted You seem to be aiming for lightweight here. Unless you need its advanced features I'd use mtpaint instead of gimp. I use filezilla instead of gftp for GUI ssh/ftp coz its cross platform. > > > for audio > > install the following: ? ? ? ? ?enable audio when asked > ? ? ? ?qjackctl ? ? ? ?pulls in a lot! > ? ? ? ?alsamixergui > ? ? ? ?alsaplayer-jack > ? ? ? ?alsa-utils > ? ? ? ?ardour > ? ? ? ?audacious > ? ? ? ?audacity > ? ? ? ?easytag > ? ? ? ?hydrogen > ? ? ? ?jack-rack > ? ? ? ?jamin > ? ? ? ?japa > ? ? ? ?lillypond > ? ? ? ?meterbridge > ? ? ? ?qsynth > ? ? ? ?rakarrack > ? ? ? ?timemachine > ? ? ? ?vkeybd > ? ? ? ?vorbis-tools Could add many many more to this list but I suspect most here know what apps they want. > > as root > ? ? ? ?alsactl init ? ? ? ? ? ?(ignore errors) > ? ? ? ?reboot and use alsamixer to bring up levels (will be silent otherwise) Then alsactl store 0 (or whatever its alsa device number is) > > > ?temporarily add the following to repositories: > ? ? ? ?deb cdrom:[64studio 3.3-alpha2 (1)]/ karmic main Don't think you meant to include this first line- most won't have the 64studio CD/DVD > ? ? ? ?deb http://apt.64studio.com/backports/ hardy-backports main > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ignore errors > ? ? ? ?install multimedia kernel 2.6.29 > ? ? ? ?disable these repositories but keep then 'just in case' > ? ? ? ?reboot and select new kernel > > ?check for RT kernel with uname -a > ? ? ? ?should include PREEMP and RT > > ?edit /etc/default/grub > ? ? ? ?change > ? ? ? ? ?GRUB_DEFAULT=0 > ? ? ? ?to > ? ? ? ? ?GRUB_DEFAULT={number of wanted menu item as default, counting from 0} > ? ? ? ?run 'update-grub' > > > for compiling music progs: > ? ? ? ?automake > ? ? ? ?build-essential > ? ? ? ?cmake > ? ? ? ?cmake-curses > ? ? ? ?dssi-dev > ? ? ? ?fluid > ? ? ? ?git-all > ? ? ? ?libasound2-dev > ? ? ? ?libfftw3-dev > ? ? ? ?libjack-dev > ? ? ? ?liblircclient-dev > ? ? ? ?liblo-dev > ? ? ? ?liblrdf0-dev > ? ? ? ?libmxml-dev > ? ? ? ?libqt4-dev > ? ? ? ?libsamplerate0-dev > ? ? ? ?libsndfile1-dev > ? ? ? ?libxml++2.6-dev > ? ? ? ?subversion > ? ? ? ?xutils-dev > ? ? ? ?zlib1g-dev You can vastly reduce the amount of dev packages you list here with a simple apt-get build-dep ardour Which will get most of the dev packages a LAU would want in one shot (but not autoconf and subversion/ git to name a few notable exceptions) HTH? Dan > > compile and standard install lame > > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Fri Dec 3 02:05:29 2010 From: linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 03:05:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Can someone recommend me a PCI/PCI-X multi-channel audio card please? Message-ID: <20101203020529.GJ21012@michelle1> Message send again because the Mailinglist has unsubscribed me unexpected Hello *, I have a small IBM eServer 335 and I want to transform it into a streaming server, what I am currently missing ist the Audio Card. I need only 4-8 Strereo Audio IN and nothing else. I have some trays of AD1888 Chips here and can design a PCI/PCI-X card may own, but currently I have to much to do and not the nerv to do it. Can someone recommend me a good quality but not expensive PCI or PCI-X multi-channel audio card please? Note: I have the M-Audio 1010 but it s a killer and ways to expensive Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems at tdnet France EURL itsystems at tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstra?e 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix Jabber linux4michelle at jabber.ccc.de Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the paradigm at work here but "Slow" is one word that comes to mind. It took 3 hours to install. Well, OK, mainly because I fell asleep while waiting for it. But every time I woke up it was trying to shred the hard drive. 3 hours later after failing to reboot by it self, I finally booted into something resembling a working system. I think it was trying to download and install about 300 meg of updates or something? It never said what it was doing, it just sat there hammering the hard drive. Anyway, It works. I'll get the hang of it. Actually it looks rather interesting if a bit of a dog's breakfast. I can deal with that. But the DSP124 sound card is nowhere to be seen. So all I hear is a tiny squeak out of the internal speaker. I assume that the drivers weren't part of the install and no envy24 controls. So the first thing I need to do is get that working. Would anyone be able to walk me through obtaining these and installing them please? Thank you very kindly in advance. Onward and... Well... Sideways perhaps. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From emiliano.grilli at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 08:29:32 2010 From: emiliano.grilli at gmail.com (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 09:29:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Can someone recommend me a PCI/PCI-X multi-channel audio card please? In-Reply-To: <20101203020529.GJ21012@michelle1> (Michelle Konzack's message of "Fri, 3 Dec 2010 03:05:29 +0100") References: <20101203020529.GJ21012@michelle1> Message-ID: <87d3pj8djn.fsf@emillo.net> Michelle Konzack writes: > Message send again because the Mailinglist has unsubscribed me unexpected > > > > Hello *, > > I have a small IBM eServer 335 and I want to transform it into a > streaming server, what I am currently missing ist the Audio Card. > > I need only 4-8 Strereo Audio IN and nothing else. > > I have some trays of AD1888 Chips here and can design a PCI/PCI-X card > may own, but currently I have to much to do and not the nerv to do it. > > Can someone recommend me a good quality but not expensive PCI or PCI-X > multi-channel audio card please? > > Note: I have the M-Audio 1010 but it s a killer and ways to expensive I have a staudio dsp2000 c-port which is a clone of the 1010... I think you can find them pretty cheap on the used market (I saw them under 100 euro). Works well, apart from MIDI ports. > Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening > Michelle Konzack HTH ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 09:47:23 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:47:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> On 12/02/2010 09:13 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/02/2010 09:03 PM, fred wrote: >> Folderol a ?crit : >>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 >>> Hartmut Noack wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: >>>> >>>>> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: >>>>> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Y-ellow All. >>>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be >>>>>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to >>>>>>> try another distro? >>>>>>> >>>>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating >>>>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. >>>>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has >>>>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the >>>>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... >>>>>> >>>>> 64studio is dead? >>>>> >>>> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I've been waiting for an update on this too :( >>> >>> However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a >>> minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages >>> I want. >>> >>> If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. >>> >>> >> Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to >> stable ! > > By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian. > They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome. > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia > > On 12/02/2010 09:49 PM, Folderol wrote: > automake > build-essential > cmake > cmake-curses > dssi-dev > fluid > git-all > libasound2-dev > libfftw3-dev > libjack-dev > liblircclient-dev > liblo-dev > liblrdf0-dev > libmxml-dev > libqt4-dev > libsamplerate0-dev > libsndfile1-dev > libxml++2.6-dev > subversion > xutils-dev > zlib1g-dev > Hmm this is an interesting list... With these packages you can build all/ most of the proaudio packages? Regards, \r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From looplog at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 10:11:46 2010 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:11:46 +0900 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Batz wrote: > Y-ellow All. > ? ? ? ?Sorry to have to ask but does anyone know how to get an evvy24 sound > card to work in KXlinux? > > hi, Envy24 drivers are part of alsa, so they are most likely installed. If not, your system is very broken. To get envy24control, you have to install alsa-tools-gui. Then, it's most likely you will have to set jack up. It's a little hard to go through all of the steps via email, but since its all ladish based, I'd recommend you spend some time at ladish.org and in particular http://ladish.org/wiki/tutorial, which should walk you through the basics of getting configured and operational. -mjn From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Dec 3 10:28:55 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:28:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:47:23 +0100 "rosea.grammostola" wrote: > On 12/02/2010 09:13 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > On 12/02/2010 09:03 PM, fred wrote: > >> Folderol a ?crit : > >>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100 > >>> Hartmut Noack wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp ?berbacher: > >>>> > >>>>> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100: > >>>>> > >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Y-ellow All. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> [snip] > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be > >>>>>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to > >>>>>>> try another distro? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating > >>>>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1. > >>>>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has > >>>>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the > >>>>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio.... > >>>>>> > >>>>> 64studio is dead? > >>>>> > >>>> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> I've been waiting for an update on this too :( > >>> > >>> However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a > >>> minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages > >>> I want. > >>> > >>> If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it. > >>> > >>> > >> Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to > >> stable ! > > > > By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian. > > They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome. > > > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia > > > > > On 12/02/2010 09:49 PM, Folderol wrote: > > automake > > build-essential > > cmake > > cmake-curses > > dssi-dev > > fluid > > git-all > > libasound2-dev > > libfftw3-dev > > libjack-dev > > liblircclient-dev > > liblo-dev > > liblrdf0-dev > > libmxml-dev > > libqt4-dev > > libsamplerate0-dev > > libsndfile1-dev > > libxml++2.6-dev > > subversion > > xutils-dev > > zlib1g-dev > > > Hmm this is an interesting list... With these packages you can build > all/ most of the proaudio packages? > > Regards, > > > \r I think it certainly covers most stuff - it also covers most non-audio programs. I've used this list for fetching and compiling all of the following (at various times) when I've wanted to try newer versions: Audacity Audacious Hydrogen Lame Rosegarden Yoshimi -> now also needs libboost.dev ZynAddSubFX @allcoms You make some very good points, however don't forget this is just the crib sheet for producing my preferred setup. I've tried Thunar but just don't like it. Also ROX is closest to my Risc Os roots :) I'd forgotten to include alsactl store - certainly used it! Didn't know about apt-get build-dep ardour. I'm all for reducing lists of install libraries! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From allcoms at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 10:54:37 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:54:37 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> Message-ID: > @allcoms > > You make some very good points, however don't forget this is just the crib > sheet for producing my preferred setup. Yep, hence why didn't focus too heavily on your choice of apps > > I've tried Thunar but just don't like it. Also ROX is closest to my Risc Os > roots :) Ah! You're ex-RISCOS? All is forgiven/ explained then. I'm not entirely sure Archimedes and RISCOS machines were available outside blighty but they were quite cool for school at the time. I know the Amiga was big all over Europe (well, UK and Germany at least) but i suspect the Archy flopped outside UK schools due to lack of good games. ARM went onto become a raging success of course and I think they turned 20 recently. > > I'd forgotten to include alsactl store - certainly used it! > > Didn't know about apt-get build-dep ardour. I'm all for reducing lists of > install libraries! That command is the Holy Grail of timesaving for Debuntu-using, Linux audio addicts seeing as I doubt any other audio app can compete for number of deps and most people on here will use or want to compile Ardour at some time. Underhand compliment or what? :) Dan, please! > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From ailo.at at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 12:19:27 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 13:19:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> References: <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> I was trying to find KXlinux on the web. Could someone post a link? I was trying to find out whether it uses pulseaudio. From what I've understood, Envy24 is no go with pulseaudio, right? If KXlinux doesn't work out for you I recommend trying out puredyne 911. http://puredyne.org/download.html It's a live distro, so you can run it from a CD or a usb-stick, or install it. Which ever way you want. The rt-kernel is magnificient on that particular version. No sudden crashes. I had no problems with getting nvidia graphics to run (needed to be installed manually, though). It's the rt-kernel from Ubuntu Karmic's repo. Here is a how to create the live usb, for anyone intrested: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Puredyne/Creating_a_live_USB_stick On 12/03/2010 08:54 AM, Batz wrote: > Y-ellow All. > Sorry to have to ask but does anyone know how to get an evvy24 sound > card to work in KXlinux? > > On the recommendations of Nedko, I'm now trying out KXlinux. It too is > Ubuntu based so fingers crossed on that one. Except KDE and not gnome. > I'm still trying to wrap my head around the paradigm at work here but > "Slow" is one word that comes to mind. It took 3 hours to install. Well, > OK, mainly because I fell asleep while waiting for it. But every time I > woke up it was trying to shred the hard drive. 3 hours later after > failing to reboot by it self, I finally booted into something resembling > a working system. > > I think it was trying to download and install about 300 meg of updates > or something? It never said what it was doing, it just sat there > hammering the hard drive. > > Anyway, It works. I'll get the hang of it. Actually it looks rather > interesting if a bit of a dog's breakfast. I can deal with that. But the > DSP124 sound card is nowhere to be seen. So all I hear is a tiny squeak > out of the internal speaker. I assume that the drivers weren't part of > the install and no envy24 controls. So the first thing I need to do is > get that working. Would anyone be able to walk me through obtaining > these and installing them please? > > Thank you very kindly in advance. > > Onward and... Well... Sideways perhaps. > > Be absolutely icebox. > > _ __ _ > | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com > | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ > | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ > | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ > |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v > / ,__ > Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- ailo From batzman-lau at all-electric.com Fri Dec 3 13:25:23 2010 From: batzman-lau at all-electric.com (Batz) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 23:55:23 +1030 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101203235033.01db3240@mail.all-electric.com> Y-ellow Ailo 'n' all. At 01:19 PM 12/3/2010 +0100, ailo wrote: >I was trying to find KXlinux on the web. Could someone post a link? http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ >I was trying to find out whether it uses pulseaudio. From what I've >understood, Envy24 is no go with pulseaudio, right? I'm sure I saw an option for Pulseaudio in there somewhere. This could explain a lot. Doesn't mean I'm sunk with this distro altogether but it does for now though. It IS rather slow though. It seems to spend vast amounts of time churning the hard drive for some reason. But I'm figuring that's got more to do with KDE. PureDyne was my next port of call but I'm wondering can it be actually installed on the HD? This is important under the current circumstances. Maybe the USB option would work for me in the long term but not on this test bed and not at the moment. And don't worry Ron, your Transmission distro is in my sights as well. But right now, 50bucks AUD is the difference between me eating for the next 3 weeks or learning to become a breathatarian. Air alone does not a cyclist make. (as it were.) But I can see this is where I will have to head sooner or later. Thanks once again all. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From daniel at 64studio.com Fri Dec 3 13:53:42 2010 From: daniel at 64studio.com (Daniel James) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 13:53:42 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7D3FB.8000203@64studio.com> Message-ID: <4CF8F666.30908@64studio.com> Hi Harry, > When / where will a testing ISO be on offer? Would be > intrested in testing a bit... Working on it right now. It's been prototyped on Squeeze already. Cheers! Daniel From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 3 13:55:37 2010 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (Stephen Stubbs) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 05:55:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Audigy 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101202201720.01e0ef30@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: <944685.31298.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I like the Sound Blaster MIDI Adaptor/Game Port cable. Rock solid 1In-1Out MIDI interface. I've had mine since MS-DOS 2.1, however long that's been. It's worked with every Sound Blaster card since then, including my current Audigy2 ZS PCI card. I think it uses the MP-401 interface under Alsa. I've used it with Mandrake, Debian, and my current Fedora 12 OS. Rosegarden and other SF2 loading programs work fine with the Audigy2. My opinion is that the Audigy2 is an excellent low-end card. The comments below are all accurate. Look for the ASFXload program or whatever it's called now and use it to save the settings on the Audigy2 when shutting down and restarting the computer. Otherwise, you'll have to open up Alsamixer to reset your volumes and set the card to analog output everytime you reboot (unless you prefer digital output.) 'The Other' Stephen Stubbs. ________________________________ From: Robert Jonsson Hi, It's been a while since I used one of those, nearly forgotten about it. I have however used both emu10k and audigy cards and as I recall it worked just fine. I suppose these cards are virtually free on ebay or similar, I'd recommend just go ahead and try it. Regards, Robert > Il 02/12/2010 10:52, Batz ha scritto: >> >> Y-ellow All. >> What can we do with something like an Audigy 2? Yeah I know it's a >> Creati-flabs sound card but it's hardware and it's PCI. And they're >> everywhere second hand for not much cash. >> >> > > Hi, i do not have an audigy2 card, but looking at the alsa sound card > matrix, it should be supported by emu10k1 or emu10k2 module. It also says > that is possible to load sf2 samples via sfxload utility (part of awesfx). > > da. > > refs: > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs > http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Emu10k1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 3 14:01:04 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:01:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> References: <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> On 12/03/2010 01:19 PM, ailo wrote: > I was trying to find KXlinux on the web. Could someone post a link? > http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ > I was trying to find out whether it uses pulseaudio. From what I've > understood, Envy24 is no go with pulseaudio, right? Right, and since KXStudio is based on Ubuntu 10.04 you'll have to hack your way around a bit. Best, Jeremy From daniel at 64studio.com Fri Dec 3 14:01:30 2010 From: daniel at 64studio.com (Daniel James) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:01:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF81254.7050505@gmail.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7C480.20409@gmail.com> <4CF7C8C5.4050301@64studio.com> <4CF81254.7050505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CF8F83A.8020304@64studio.com> Hi Rosea, > In the Debian Multimedia Team there is the idea or maybe even the plan > to make some sort of multimedia backports repo (from experimental / > unstable / testing) for Squeeze, maybe this could be a collaborate > effort with the 64studio team? Yes, we already have a small (but growing) repo for Squeeze packages. Cheers! Daniel From seanbutnotheard at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 15:55:54 2010 From: seanbutnotheard at gmail.com (Sean Corbett) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:55:54 -0500 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Folderol wrote: > add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile > ? ? ? ?startx Instead of a blind "startx", you may find it handy to make your .bash_profile a little smarter... i.e., here's what I use (on Arch): if [[ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]] && [[ "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" ]]; then startx &> .xsession-log logout fi This way, you can log into another virtual terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F2 for example) and do some debugging in the background. Or it's handy if you don't feel like firing up X at all. -sean From ailo.at at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 20:17:51 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 21:17:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101203235033.01db3240@mail.all-electric.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101203235033.01db3240@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: <4CF9506F.7050705@gmail.com> On 12/03/2010 02:25 PM, Batz wrote: > Y-ellow Ailo 'n' all. > > At 01:19 PM 12/3/2010 +0100, ailo wrote: >> I was trying to find KXlinux on the web. Could someone post a link? > > http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ > >> I was trying to find out whether it uses pulseaudio. From what I've >> understood, Envy24 is no go with pulseaudio, right? > > I'm sure I saw an option for Pulseaudio in there somewhere. This could > explain a lot. Doesn't mean I'm sunk with this distro altogether but it > does for now though. > > It IS rather slow though. It seems to spend vast amounts of time > churning the hard drive for some reason. But I'm figuring that's got > more to do with KDE. > > PureDyne was my next port of call but I'm wondering can it be actually > installed on the HD? This is important under the current circumstances. Yes, no problem. Once you've booted from the cd you'll find an install option in the menu somewhere. > Maybe the USB option would work for me in the long term but not on this > test bed and not at the moment. > > And don't worry Ron, your Transmission distro is in my sights as well. > But right now, 50bucks AUD is the difference between me eating for the > next 3 weeks or learning to become a breathatarian. Air alone does not a > cyclist make. (as it were.) But I can see this is where I will have to > head sooner or later. > > Thanks once again all. > > Be absolutely icebox. > > _ __ _ > | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com > | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ > | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ > | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ > |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v > / ,__ > Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- ailo From joelz at pobox.com Fri Dec 3 20:26:54 2010 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:26:54 -1000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: <4CF8F83A.8020304@64studio.com> References: <4CF78C84.30506@64studio.com> <4CF7BADA.8040500@64studio.com> <4CF7C480.20409@gmail.com> <4CF7C8C5.4050301@64studio.com> <4CF81254.7050505@gmail.com> <4CF8F83A.8020304@64studio.com> Message-ID: <20101203202654.GB18919@sprite> On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 02:01:30PM +0000, Daniel James wrote: > Hi Rosea, > > > In the Debian Multimedia Team there is the idea or maybe even the plan > > to make some sort of multimedia backports repo (from experimental / > > unstable / testing) for Squeeze, maybe this could be a collaborate > > effort with the 64studio team? > Yes, we already have a small (but growing) repo for Squeeze packages. I had a look at the Debian Multimedia Team's web pages (DMT - is that acronym accidental?) Excellent stuff such as how to create an uncrippled ffmpeg: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FFmpegUnstripped And plans for a new multimedia-apps repository: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/debimedia Great work! Thanks!! Joel > Cheers! > > Daniel > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Joel Roth From looplog at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 03:31:30 2010 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:31:30 +0900 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/03/2010 01:19 PM, ailo wrote: > >> I was trying to find out whether it uses pulseaudio. From what I've >> understood, Envy24 is no go with pulseaudio, right? > > Right, and since KXStudio is based on Ubuntu 10.04 you'll have to hack > your way around a bit. > I'm not using kxstudio anymore, rather more of a mix of falktx's packages, stock ubuntu 10.04 and some other PPAs, but I had it working fine with an envy24 based soundcard. From memory, the jack-pulse integration is optional, and can be turned off using the included jack2-simple-config. If kxstudio is not your thing, then pure::dyne might suit you as has been stated. There is also a newish distro called tango studio that looks interesting (http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/en/tangostudio), and a studio distro based on puppy linux (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60483) which also looks lightweight and may suit you fine. -mjn From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Dec 4 06:44:01 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:44:01 -1000 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101203235033.01db3240@mail.all-electric.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101203235033.01db3240@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: <4CF9E331.5020801@hawaii.rr.com> Batz wrote: > PureDyne was my next port of call but I'm wondering can it be actually > installed on the HD? This is important under the current circumstances. > Maybe the USB option would work for me in the long term but not on this > test bed and not at the moment. Yes, it can be installed on the HD. IIRC, all live Linux distros can be installed on the HD. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From jeremy at autostatic.com Sat Dec 4 11:04:19 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:04:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> On 12/04/2010 04:31 AM, michael noble wrote: > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> On 12/03/2010 01:19 PM, ailo wrote: >> >>> I was trying to find out whether it uses pulseaudio. From what I've >>> understood, Envy24 is no go with pulseaudio, right? >> >> Right, and since KXStudio is based on Ubuntu 10.04 you'll have to hack >> your way around a bit. >> > > I'm not using kxstudio anymore, rather more of a mix of falktx's > packages, stock ubuntu 10.04 and some other PPAs, but I had it working > fine with an envy24 based soundcard. From memory, the jack-pulse > integration is optional, and can be turned off using the included > jack2-simple-config. > > If kxstudio is not your thing, then pure::dyne might suit you as has > been stated. There is also a newish distro called tango studio that > looks interesting (http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/en/tangostudio), > and a studio distro based on puppy linux > (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60483) which also > looks lightweight and may suit you fine. > > -mjn One more vote for Tango Studio (Karmasutra): http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/en/tangostudio Haven't tried it though but I did have some contact with its creator. I'm very much in favor of his packaging/remastering ethos (meticulous is the key-word). He also offers a very good performing 2.6.33 real-time kernel for testing, I think it should still be in the Tango Studio unstable branch. And then there's also Dream Studio: http://dream.dickmacinnis.com/forum/ Or Apodio: http://www.apodio.org/ Best, Jeremy From batzman-lau at all-electric.com Sat Dec 4 12:57:44 2010 From: batzman-lau at all-electric.com (Batz) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 23:27:44 +1030 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101204231638.01e98100@mail.all-electric.com> Y-ellow All. At 12:04 PM 12/4/2010 +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >On 12/04/2010 04:31 AM, michael noble wrote: >>On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Jeremy >>Jongepier wrote: >>>On 12/03/2010 01:19 PM, ailo wrote: [Bobbit] Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment but keep 'em coming if there are any more. So far, and strangely enough, puppy is looking like a contender. Though I haven't actually tried PureDyne yet. (long story) Although puppy doesn't have much that is useful to me in it's repositories (That I can find thus far anyway) it is surprisingly stable and everything worked out-the-box without any crashes or Xruns. That's gotta be a plus. I was interested in trying puppystudio because I had used puppy many years ago when it was very new. For an art installation project. We ended up switching to DamnSmall (If memory serves) which is Slack based (If memory serves) but I'd always wanted to have reason to try puppy again. There are things about puppy I don't like but over all, it's fast and it's serviceable. Of course, the immediate problem for me will be getting suitable sampler/synth/instrument software into it. So far the only thing that comes with it is Hydrogen. And I can't see anything else in the repository lists. Which means I'll probably have to go out on a limb to install stuff. Which means I probably won't do it. Right now at least. I'm taking the path of least resistance for the time being. As it were. But puppystudio is definitely a candidate. Thanks once again to everyone for their suggestions. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From lists.stackp at online.fr Sat Dec 4 13:05:24 2010 From: lists.stackp at online.fr (Pierre) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 14:05:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 Message-ID: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> Scalpel is an audio editor for Linux written in Python. It aims at providing a simple-to-use and easy-to-extend audio editor. Sound hackers, get started translating your Matlab routines into Python/Numpy functions! Scalpel uses PyGTK for the user interface, Numpy for the internal processing, ALSA for the audio playing and libsndfile for reading and writing files. A minimal part of the code is written in Cython for better performance. Scalpel still has some rough edges but is quite usable. Try it now and be sure to send your feedback. Links: * Homepage: http://scalpelsound.online.fr * Source: http://gitorious.org/scalpel * Pypi: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/scalpel From harryhaaren at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 15:15:18 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:15:18 +0000 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Hey Jeremy, On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > Or Apodio: http://www.apodio.org/ > I was under the impression Apodio was dead...? Obviously its not... :-) Downloading latest release now! 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From jostein at vait.se Sat Dec 4 16:17:05 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:17:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> Message-ID: <201012041717.05485.jostein@vait.se> Hi Pierre! Here is my comments so far: l?rdag 04 december 2010 14.05.24 skrev Pierre: > Scalpel is an audio editor for Linux written in Python. It aims at > providing a simple-to-use and easy-to-extend audio editor. Sound > hackers, get started translating your Matlab routines into Python/Numpy > functions! A wondeful, little and very useful little app. This simple kind of app is something I reaaly miss. But it's one or two things that must be fixed in order to reach a "professional" level, please read on. > Scalpel uses PyGTK for the user interface, Numpy for the internal > processing, ALSA for the audio playing and libsndfile for reading and > writing files. A minimal part of the code is written in Cython for > better performance. Why bother the users with that kind of info? This kind of info is probably one of the top 5 reasons that keeps Windows- and Mac users from trying Linux apps IMHO. :-) > Scalpel still has some rough edges but is quite usable. Try it now > and be sure to send your feedback. Yes, you are thinking right and your few but carefully and wisely selected functions makes this app a potential winner. But it is one thing that make impossible for me to use it: It saves the wave file in 16 bit 44100hz sample rate. It should at least keep the file's current format and at least be able to save 24 bit files. For me, this is the most serious point. It's important to have control over the saved formats. You will come far with support for 44100, 48000 and 96000 sample rates in 16, 24 and 32 bit. One more serious (probably) thing for people that work with samples: The filter section have a 0 to 3 scale for Damping in stead of a DB scale. And finally a suggestion that will make Scalpel even more effective: Make the key combination SHIFT+END mark the sound from the position point to the end of the sound. Using the mouse for doing this is just to time consuming when working with many samples. The same applies for SHIFT+HOME. I think your app is something very useful and I will certainly use it if the bit and sample rates comes up to a professional level. Thanks for making Scalpel. It's a brilliant an genius idea. Jostein From boilingbergstrom at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 16:45:37 2010 From: boilingbergstrom at gmail.com (Brian Bergstrom) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:45:37 -0600 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFA7031.1080704@gmail.com> On 12/04/2010 09:29 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote: > KDE is not slow at all for me. I even fell KDE faster then Gnome on my > fedora 14. > > Would be nice to see an Audio-oriented distro based on Arch. Arch > philosophy would suit better audio work and development, I think. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user There isn't a lot of activity here, but it exists. http://archaudio.org/ And the wiki page so you can DIY: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pro_Audio -Brian From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 17:13:19 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:13:19 -0200 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <4CFA7031.1080704@gmail.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> <4CFA7031.1080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: These AUR are quite good indeed, but I was talking about something like ArchBang or Chakra, but audio-oriented. 2010/12/4 Brian Bergstrom : > On 12/04/2010 09:29 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote: >> >> KDE is not slow at all for me. I even fell KDE faster then Gnome on my >> fedora 14. >> >> Would be nice to see an Audio-oriented distro based on Arch. Arch >> philosophy would suit better audio work and development, I think. >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > There isn't a lot of activity here, but it exists. > http://archaudio.org/ > > And the wiki page so you can DIY: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pro_Audio > > -Brian > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From ico at vt.edu Sat Dec 4 17:46:52 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:46:52 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Release candidate 5 of L2Ork iteration of pd-extended now available Message-ID: <8B6A15E2A0A8470488AB5CBD7CB9FBD1@supersecretpear> For those interested in the the good ole' Pd, L2Ork has been busy working on an improved version providing an array of improvements and stability fixes to its editor. Consequently, final release candidate is now available for download from L2Ork's site. This release builds upon Pd-extended and provides revamped GUI with a collection of new features designed to streamline editing. It is fully compatible with Pd externals (if merging with an existing installation, they may require a recompile) and provides precompiled externals for the i386 platform. Feedback and bug-reports are most appreciated. http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Cheers! Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico at vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ From allcoms at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 18:16:26 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:16:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <201012041717.05485.jostein@vait.se> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <201012041717.05485.jostein@vait.se> Message-ID: > Why bother the users with that kind of info? This kind of info is probably one > of the top 5 reasons that keeps Windows- and Mac users from trying Linux apps > IMHO. :-) Total hogwash sir! Keep in mind that the tech know-how of members on this list is certainly above average and these are the sort of details we thrive upon. He's saved us having to do more research to find this stuff out, details most of us here are concerned about and do want to know. This is also certainly nowhere near the top five reasons for people not using Linux like: People not knowing about it (lack of exposure/ marketing) Most people not knowing how to use it or why they'd want to Lack of big commercial games Missing apps (pro-video and CAD being the classic examples here) Poor documentation for many open source apps Stupid defaults I'll leave it at that as thats already 6 but there's many more key reasons before we get to 'devs telling us tech details about their apps' which is a big plus for most Linux users. My rant is done, soapbox stashed - I wish you a good evenin' squire! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsutton at libero.it Sat Dec 4 18:34:00 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 19:34:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> Message-ID: <4CFA8998.60301@libero.it> Hi I only had a quick look at this and it seems interesting (similar to mhwaveedit in the simplicity concept). From this *quick* look I would suggest to consider: - JACK support - click to move playhead while playing - option to leave playhead at the point where it is instead of jump back (basically a "pause" behaviour) Lorenzo Pierre wrote: > Scalpel is an audio editor for Linux written in Python. It aims at > providing a simple-to-use and easy-to-extend audio editor. Sound > hackers, get started translating your Matlab routines into Python/Numpy > functions! > > Scalpel uses PyGTK for the user interface, Numpy for the internal > processing, ALSA for the audio playing and libsndfile for reading and > writing files. A minimal part of the code is written in Cython for > better performance. > > Scalpel still has some rough edges but is quite usable. Try it now > and be sure to send your feedback. > > Links: > > * Homepage: http://scalpelsound.online.fr > * Source: http://gitorious.org/scalpel > * Pypi: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/scalpel > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 19:34:24 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:34:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jack-rack racks Message-ID: <4CFA97C0.9010209@gmail.com> Hi, Anyone who is able to open these patches in jack-rack? http://offog.org/stuff/racks/ (wget -e robots=off -r -np -nd http://offog.org/stuff/racks/ ) It seems I do miss pretty some plugins, but I thought I installed the most ladspa plugins... \r From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 19:42:48 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:42:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA8998.60301@libero.it> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <4CFA8998.60301@libero.it> Message-ID: <4CFA99B8.1030609@gmail.com> Hi, Looks good. But I'd rather would love to see someone jump on the ReZound project... New projects are nice, finished projects are nicer ;) \r From harryhaaren at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 19:59:29 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 19:59:29 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA99B8.1030609@gmail.com> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <4CFA8998.60301@libero.it> <4CFA99B8.1030609@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:42 PM, rosea.grammostola < rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote: > But I'd rather would love to see someone jump on the ReZound project... New > projects are nice, finished projects are nicer ;) > Please appreciate that FLOSS developers spend their own free time on it. They're bound to do what intrests them the most themselves. If that's ReZound for somebody, great. If somebody wants to create a new initiative with new code base, that's great too. Also, ReZound is written in C++ using X for its interface, while Scalpel is written in Python (and bits of Cython) using PyGTK for its interface. They're quite different projects. Hope you appreciate my point of view. Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Dec 4 21:14:42 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:14:42 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New Tune Message-ID: <20101204211442.3c9a89d9@debian> This is possibly the shortest tune I've ever composed and was the result of a random noodling session. It seemed to say what I want it to so apart from later adding strings and bass I left it alone - even they were added in a rather languid manner! When someone asked me what the time signature was I said it was 0/0 :) http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Fawns_In_The_Mist.ogg I hope you like it. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 22:15:32 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:15:32 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New Tune In-Reply-To: <20101204211442.3c9a89d9@debian> References: <20101204211442.3c9a89d9@debian> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Folderol wrote: > This is possibly the shortest tune I've ever composed and was the result of a > random noodling session. It seemed to say what I want it to so apart from later > adding strings and bass I left it alone - even they were added in a rather > languid manner! When someone asked me what the time signature was I said it > was 0/0 :) > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Fawns_In_The_Mist.ogg > > I hope you like it. > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Cool sounds. Thanks, Mark From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Dec 4 22:40:51 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:40:51 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 Message-ID: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Hi, I'm compiling the 2010 mix at the moment. Unfortunately I lost a few months worth of data between Jan - May. If you released a track during that time and you would like it to be considered for the 2010 mix please send me a link so I can download it again. Also if you have unreleased tracks or tracks that are not easily downloaded then I may have missed them. So feel free to shoot me a direct link if you want to get them into the official mix. The past couple of years I ended up with about 40 tracks that made the cut. It would be nice to have even more this year. There is no discrimination on genre/content. The criteria is if it sounds good and/or represents an original or unique idea compared to the rest of the tracks in the final mix. All the tracks are hosted on djcj.org http://djcj.org/audio/lam/ and we even have an icecast stream at linuxaudio.org which Robin Gareus setup last year. http://radio.linuxaudio.org/ Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From harryhaaren at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 22:53:39 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 22:53:39 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: Hey Patrick, Got a tune here, midi keyboard played live + unedited, Pianoteq (proprietary) linux piano instrument for the sound. Recorded to .wav, and mastered with Audacity. JACK for audio playback (a scant 7 ms :-) https://www.skynet.ie/~harryhaa/thinking.mp3 Include if you want, its all original (although I touched on the theme of Stereo Love by accident..) Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From idragosani at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 23:43:57 2010 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:43:57 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: Does it need to be made 100% with Linux? I have a track I'd like to submit but it uses some samples that were hosted on an external Windows box, although it was sequenced, recorded and mastered entirely with Linux "Born of Fire": http://www.alhazred.com/_music/born_of_fire.mp3 This was produced in March 2010 as a final project for a Berklee college online class 'Arranging 1: Rhythm Section'. I wrote the score in Lilypond, and then it was sequenced in Rosegarden, recorded & mixed in Ardour, mastered with Jamin. On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > I'm compiling the 2010 mix at the moment. Unfortunately I lost a few > months worth of data between Jan - May. If you released a track during > that time and you would like it to be considered for the 2010 mix please > send me a link so I can download it again. > > Also if you have unreleased tracks or tracks that are not easily > downloaded then I may have missed them. So feel free to shoot me a direct > link if you want to get them into the official mix. > > The past couple of years I ended up with about 40 tracks that made the > cut. It would be nice to have even more this year. > > There is no discrimination on genre/content. The criteria is if it sounds > good and/or represents an original or unique idea compared to the rest of > the tracks in the final mix. > > All the tracks are hosted on djcj.org > > http://djcj.org/audio/lam/ > > and we even have an icecast stream at linuxaudio.org which Robin Gareus > setup last year. > > http://radio.linuxaudio.org/ > > > > Cheers. > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." ? ? -- Jelaleddin Rumi From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Dec 5 00:05:48 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:05:48 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <950a751f1fd85d5501b974ae12b06490.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Sat, December 4, 2010 3:43 pm, Brett McCoy wrote: > Does it need to be made 100% with Linux? I have a track I'd like to > submit but it uses some samples that were hosted on an external > Windows box, although it was sequenced, recorded and mastered entirely > with Linux > As long as Linux tools were used in the production process it will be accepted. > "Born of Fire": http://www.alhazred.com/_music/born_of_fire.mp3 > > This was produced in March 2010 as a final project for a Berklee > college online class 'Arranging 1: Rhythm Section'. I wrote the score > in Lilypond, and then it was sequenced in Rosegarden, recorded & mixed > in Ardour, mastered with Jamin. > Sounds like music made with Linux to me ;-) > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Patrick Shirkey > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm compiling the 2010 mix at the moment. Unfortunately I lost a few >> months worth of data between Jan - May. If you released a track during >> that time and you would like it to be considered for the 2010 mix please >> send me a link so I can download it again. >> >> Also if you have unreleased tracks or tracks that are not easily >> downloaded then I may have missed them. So feel free to shoot me a >> direct >> link if you want to get them into the official mix. >> >> The past couple of years I ended up with about 40 tracks that made the >> cut. It would be nice to have even more this year. >> >> There is no discrimination on genre/content. The criteria is if it >> sounds >> good and/or represents an original or unique idea compared to the rest >> of >> the tracks in the final mix. >> >> All the tracks are hosted on djcj.org >> >> http://djcj.org/audio/lam/ >> >> and we even have an icecast stream at linuxaudio.org which Robin Gareus >> setup last year. >> >> http://radio.linuxaudio.org/ >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Shirkey >> Boost Hardware Ltd. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, > it would overturn the world." > ? ? -- Jelaleddin Rumi > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From ronaldjstewart at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 00:58:35 2010 From: ronaldjstewart at gmail.com (Ronald Stewart) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:58:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] AWESOME! Jermaine Dupri posts Video using Indamixx Pro and energy XT for new Rhianna song. Message-ID: Jermaine Dupri posts Video using Indamixx Pro and energy XT for new Rhianna song. Taken from www.global14.com (livin' the life) http://www.trinityaudiogroup.com/Jermaine_Dupri_Indamixx.mov Also, Intel has requested HD B roll footage of Indamixx Products for upcoming Intel sponsors of tomorrow commercial.... stay tuned. Thank you Ronald Stewart Creative Director Trinity Audio Group Inc. 9854 National Blvd. #322 Los Angeles CA 90034 310-733-9285 ronaldjstewart at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seemed to say what I want it to so apart from later adding strings and bass I left it alone - even they were added in a rather languid manner! When someone asked me what the time signature was I said it was 0/0 :) http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Fawns_In_The_Mist.ogg I hope you like it. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 5 08:05:11 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:05:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jack-rack racks In-Reply-To: <4CFA97C0.9010209@gmail.com> References: <4CFA97C0.9010209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CFB47B7.4040005@autostatic.com> On 12/04/2010 08:34 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > > Anyone who is able to open these patches in jack-rack? > > http://offog.org/stuff/racks/ > > (wget -e robots=off -r -np -nd http://offog.org/stuff/racks/ ) > > It seems I do miss pretty some plugins, but I thought I installed the > most ladspa plugins... > > \r No problems here so far. Which patches cause problems? Best, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 5 08:33:26 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:33:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction Message-ID: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> LS, For the moment I consider this track finished. Well, finished as in that it sounds much like I want it to. When Qtractor 0.4.7 came out I decided I had to let myself go concerning effects, especially now they can be MIDI controlled which is just great. I set up a special FX automation MIDI track and off I went. The female vocals were done by my girlfriend. Just a few takes and she was greatly unsatisfied but with some effects and some cutting up it turned out quite ok. Huge shout out to Will J Godfrey (aka Folderol) for his amazing instrument bank, I used Warm Synth, Sharp Synth, Pizzicato Strings and the great Wind and Surf for the swooossssshhh. Also big props for Cal for the ever improving Yoshimi. And Rui of course. Qtractor just rocks. Lastly, the FFADO folks. I'm now looking at my shiny and new Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 that has been running happily for hours now at 4ms with about 20+ tracks and about the same amount of effects. Yeah, I encountered some occasional xruns, but basically that only happens when I open stuff like LV2 gui's or change hefty instrument patches with Yoshimi (which will be a thing of the past once the sqlite3 implementation for the banks has been perfectioned). I'll see if I can do a screencast of this track. Nothing is cooler than seeing those slick Calf plugins do their stuff automatically :) http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown20101204.ogg http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown%2020101204.mp3 And yes, I've learned so much in the making of this track. I've never worked with compressors, gates, filters and eq's before and this track was like a playground in which I could all test it out. Best, Jeremy From lsd at wootangent.net Sun Dec 5 10:52:06 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:52:06 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? Message-ID: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> Hi all, For the drums in my projects, I usually use Hydrogen, running it in its mode that creates separate JACK outputs for each drum in the kit. Then, I run those outputs in to separate tracks in Ardour, usually in groups (ie: one track for the kick, one for snare, one for toms, one for hats/cymbals). The RAM usage of Hydrogen with larger kits, though, like the (210MB) BigMono kit from AnalogueDrums, is substantial, so I'm looking at using LinuxSampler as an alternative. I have BigMono running in LinuxSampler CVS, thanks to this SFZ mapping: http://www.drealm.info/sfz/AnalogueDrums/ It works beautifully, but with a standard LinuxSampler setup just producing stereo output, I'm not sure how I'm going to mix the results in Ardour. Is there any way to get LinuxSampler to output different notes, or groups of notes, to separate outputs in JACK? Thanks Leigh From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 11:37:14 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:37:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFB796A.1070507@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 09:33 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > LS, > > For the moment I consider this track finished. Well, finished as in > that it sounds much like I want it to. When Qtractor 0.4.7 came out I > decided I had to let myself go concerning effects, especially now they > can be MIDI controlled which is just great. I set up a special FX > automation MIDI track and off I went. > The female vocals were done by my girlfriend. Just a few takes and she > was greatly unsatisfied but with some effects and some cutting up it > turned out quite ok. > Huge shout out to Will J Godfrey (aka Folderol) for his amazing > instrument bank, I used Warm Synth, Sharp Synth, Pizzicato Strings and > the great Wind and Surf for the swooossssshhh. Also big props for Cal > for the ever improving Yoshimi. And Rui of course. Qtractor just > rocks. Lastly, the FFADO folks. I'm now looking at my shiny and new > Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 that has been running happily for hours now > at 4ms with about 20+ tracks and about the same amount of effects. > Yeah, I encountered some occasional xruns, but basically that only > happens when I open stuff like LV2 gui's or change hefty instrument > patches with Yoshimi (which will be a thing of the past once the > sqlite3 implementation for the banks has been perfectioned). > I'll see if I can do a screencast of this track. Nothing is cooler > than seeing those slick Calf plugins do their stuff automatically :) > > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown20101204.ogg > > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown%2020101204.mp3 > > > And yes, I've learned so much in the making of this track. I've never > worked with compressors, gates, filters and eq's before and this track > was like a playground in which I could all test it out. Nice song :) Great end! :) \r From lsd at wootangent.net Sun Dec 5 12:06:38 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 23:06:38 +1100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <1291550798.21778.199.camel@ruiner> On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 09:33 +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > LS, > > For the moment I consider this track finished. Well, finished as in that > it sounds much like I want it to. When Qtractor 0.4.7 came out I decided > I had to let myself go concerning effects, especially now they can be > MIDI controlled which is just great. I set up a special FX automation > MIDI track and off I went. > The female vocals were done by my girlfriend. Just a few takes and she > was greatly unsatisfied but with some effects and some cutting up it > turned out quite ok. > Huge shout out to Will J Godfrey (aka Folderol) for his amazing > instrument bank, I used Warm Synth, Sharp Synth, Pizzicato Strings and > the great Wind and Surf for the swooossssshhh. Also big props for Cal > for the ever improving Yoshimi. And Rui of course. Qtractor just rocks. > Lastly, the FFADO folks. I'm now looking at my shiny and new Focusrite > Saffire Pro 40 that has been running happily for hours now at 4ms with > about 20+ tracks and about the same amount of effects. Yeah, I > encountered some occasional xruns, but basically that only happens when > I open stuff like LV2 gui's or change hefty instrument patches with > Yoshimi (which will be a thing of the past once the sqlite3 > implementation for the banks has been perfectioned). > I'll see if I can do a screencast of this track. Nothing is cooler than > seeing those slick Calf plugins do their stuff automatically :) > > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown20101204.ogg > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown%2020101204.mp3 > > And yes, I've learned so much in the making of this track. I've never > worked with compressors, gates, filters and eq's before and this track > was like a playground in which I could all test it out. Excellent! It has a great 80s synthpop vibe, and I really like the way the different instruments and parts come and go in the latter half of it. It's very catchy, too :) Thanks Leigh > > Best, > > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From hollunder at lavabit.com Sun Dec 5 12:14:43 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:14:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> <4CFA7031.1080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1291550394-sup-6627@eris> Excerpts from Bernardo Barros's message of 2010-12-04 18:13:19 +0100: > These AUR are quite good indeed, but I was talking about something > like ArchBang or Chakra, but audio-oriented. I don't quite see much sense in that. LAUBang would be faster, maybe easier to install but less flexible (less user choice) and constantly out-of-date. One thing that would be needed for it to work at all would be binary packages of the more popular audio programs that are not in the official repositories. Archaudio.org tries to do exactly that, but currently hardly anyone builds those binaries, so the archaudio.org repo is quite out-of-date. I don't know whether it's lack of people, time, or whether there's no interest in those binaries. I suspect it's mainly lack of interest. Many audio packages in AUR are maintained well enough and it's easy to build from there. Anyway, it's easy to contribute to archaudio one way or another, and if someone thinks it's worthwhile to create a ready-made CD there's no-one stopping him. Arch means DIY. From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 5 12:20:24 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:20:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? In-Reply-To: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> References: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: Hello Leigh! I haven't used sfz, but I think it's a text-based format? So create several sfz files, one containing only the snare with its mapping, one the toms,... Load several sfz-engines, create several channels and go. My load script for the Drumkit from Hell, looks like this (it's two gigfiles, each containing kick, snare, toms, hihats+cymbals. One gigfile is closemic'ed the other with room. CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK CREATE MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE ALSA ADD CHANNEL ADD CHANNEL ADD CHANNEL ADD CHANNEL ADD CHANNEL ADD CHANNEL ADD CHANNEL ADD CHANNEL LOAD ENGINE GIG 0 LOAD ENGINE GIG 1 LOAD ENGINE GIG 2 LOAD ENGINE GIG 3 LOAD ENGINE GIG 4 LOAD ENGINE GIG 5 LOAD ENGINE GIG 6 LOAD ENGINE GIG 7 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 0 0 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 1 1 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 2 2 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 3 3 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 4 0 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 5 1 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 6 2 SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 7 3 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 0 0 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 1 0 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 2 0 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 3 0 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 4 0 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 5 0 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 6 0 SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 7 0 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 0 0 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 2 1 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 10 2 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 16 3 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 0 4 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 2 5 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 10 6 LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 16 7 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 0 1.3 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 1 1.2 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 2 1.0 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 3 0.8 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 4 1.3 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 5 0.6 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 6 1.1 SET CHANNEL VOLUME 7 1.2 I hope that helps. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 5 12:23:12 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:23:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Hello Jeremy! Yes, lovely song that. It has drive and some nice sounds or at least the sounds you had, made up to sound nice. :-) I like the 70ish touch to it! If you had had a boomier bass drum and slightly boomier snare, it would have been even more 70ish and even more irresistable, where the rhythm is concerned. Just my personal feelings. Thanks for sharing! I'd like some more... :-) Warm regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 12:25:53 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:25:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? In-Reply-To: References: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <4CFB84D1.3050007@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 01:20 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Leigh! > I haven't used sfz, but I think it's a text-based format? So create > several sfz files, one containing only the snare with its mapping, one > the toms,... Load several sfz-engines, create several channels and go. > My load script for the Drumkit from Hell, looks like this (it's two > gigfiles, each containing kick, snare, toms, hihats+cymbals. One > gigfile is closemic'ed the other with room. > Hi, I do follow this thread with great interest. I just discovered sfz and it's very nice stuff. That drealm.info/sfz is a great site! I didn't know the Drumkit from Hell was also available as samples, I thought it was a VST plugin... In general I think we should share as much as possible of this sfz stuff, very useful for many of us I think. Regards, \r From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 5 12:30:04 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:30:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? In-Reply-To: <4CFB84D1.3050007@gmail.com> References: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> <4CFB84D1.3050007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Rosea! I think DFH isn't available as gig anymore. Has been sometime I got it. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Dec 5 13:48:10 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 08:48:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? In-Reply-To: References: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Leigh! > ?I haven't used sfz, but I think it's a text-based format? So create several > sfz files, one containing only the snare with its mapping, one the toms,... > Load several sfz-engines, create several channels and go. My load script for > the Drumkit from Hell, looks like this (it's two gigfiles, each containing > kick, snare, toms, hihats+cymbals. One gigfile is closemic'ed the other with > room. > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK why 4 JACK "devices" ? From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 5 14:03:02 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:03:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? In-Reply-To: References: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: Hello Paul! I don't know, what LinuxSampler does, if it has just one output device, probably create more channels for that client. It's easier that way, to connect the ports to Nama. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From lists.stackp at online.fr Sun Dec 5 14:30:33 2010 From: lists.stackp at online.fr (Pierre) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:30:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <201012041717.05485.jostein@vait.se> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <201012041717.05485.jostein@vait.se> Message-ID: <4CFBA209.5020308@online.fr> Thanks for your comments Jostein. > Why bother the users with that kind of info? This kind of info is probably one > of the top 5 reasons that keeps Windows- and Mac users from trying Linux apps > IMHO. :-) All right. I'll rethink the presentation. The reason was to appeal to "power users", who won't dive in C code but can throw together a Python or Matlab script for a DSP algorithm. > It saves the wave file in 16 bit 44100hz sample rate. It should at least keep > the file's current format and at least be able to save 24 bit files. For me, > this is the most serious point. It's important to have control over the saved > formats. You will come far with support for 44100, 48000 and 96000 sample > rates in 16, 24 and 32 bit. You're absolutely right. It's on my list of future improvements. > One more serious (probably) thing for people that work with samples: The > filter section have a 0 to 3 scale for Damping in stead of a DB scale. Yes! Thanks for that. I also plan a logarithmic scale for the frequency slider. > And finally a suggestion that will make Scalpel even more effective: Make the > key combination SHIFT+END mark the sound from the position point to the end of > the sound. Using the mouse for doing this is just to time consuming when > working with many samples. The same applies for SHIFT+HOME. Well, END and HOME (without the SHIFT) do exactly that. I'll add a list of keyboard shortcuts to the Help menu. Cheers, Pierre From lists.stackp at online.fr Sun Dec 5 14:36:39 2010 From: lists.stackp at online.fr (Pierre) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:36:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFBA209.5020308@online.fr> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <201012041717.05485.jostein@vait.se> <4CFBA209.5020308@online.fr> Message-ID: <4CFBA377.3000401@online.fr> >> And finally a suggestion that will make Scalpel even more effective: >> Make the >> key combination SHIFT+END mark the sound from the position point to >> the end of >> the sound. Using the mouse for doing this is just to time consuming when >> working with many samples. The same applies for SHIFT+HOME. > > Well, END and HOME (without the SHIFT) do exactly that. I'll add a list > of keyboard shortcuts to the Help menu. Oops, I had misunderstood what you meant, I got it know: SHIFT+END would set the selection from the position point to the end of the file. Thanks for the suggestion. Pierre From lists.stackp at online.fr Sun Dec 5 14:43:25 2010 From: lists.stackp at online.fr (Pierre) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:43:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA8998.60301@libero.it> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <4CFA8998.60301@libero.it> Message-ID: <4CFBA50D.3040402@online.fr> Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for checking it out. > From this *quick* look I would suggest to consider: > - JACK support Yes, I've been thinking about that. > - click to move playhead while playing Right, that'd be useful. > - option to leave playhead at the point where it is instead of jump back > (basically a "pause" behaviour) Well, there used to be a pause button before but I removed it because I never ever used it. I'll think again about it. Cheers, Pierre From lists.stackp at online.fr Sun Dec 5 14:51:13 2010 From: lists.stackp at online.fr (Pierre) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:51:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <201012041717.05485.jostein@vait.se> Message-ID: <4CFBA6E1.5080201@online.fr> Hi allcoms, > > Why bother the users with that kind of info? > Keep in mind that the tech know-how of members on this list is certainly > above average and these are the sort of details we thrive upon. He's > saved us having to do more research to find this stuff out, details most > of us here are concerned about and do want to know. Good to know about your point of view too. I'll aim at the right balance in the general project description. Cheers, Pierre From schivmeister at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 15:01:08 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:01:08 +0800 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: <1291550394-sup-6627@eris> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> <4CFA7031.1080704@gmail.com> <1291550394-sup-6627@eris> Message-ID: On 5 December 2010 20:14, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Anyway, it's easy to contribute to archaudio one way or another, and if > someone thinks it's worthwhile to create a ready-made CD there's no-one > stopping him. Arch means DIY. And now it's even easier since we've pushed some helper scripts as 'archaudio-devtools'. Documentation will follow soon either on the site or the wiki page. If the admin can find some time to include an Arch chroot on the server (CentOS) to do daily builds, then we'd even have automated, updated packages of bleeding-edge software! Anyone can also do this locally with a cron job. Other than that, the more popular packages should get to [community] at least. The main reasons are (1) lack of manpower, and the only manpower suffers from a (2) lack of time :p Anyway, here is one effort by 'seanbutnotheard': http://obsoleteaudio.org/projects/synthbox -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From epprecht at solnet.ch Sun Dec 5 15:15:41 2010 From: epprecht at solnet.ch (Robert Epprecht) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:15:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> > I'm compiling the 2010 mix at the moment. I have a couple of songs recorded with ardour on Linux. They where not meant to be something like final versions. I'd sure like the performance to be better at many places and the songs will feel a bit lengthy if you do not understand the words, but as i cannot continue to work on them for some other reason, it's all i have for now... I have no idea, if one of them could possibly be adequate for your mix. http://proberuum.robertepprecht.ch/ogg/2010-06-19_Bergwind-3.ogg http://proberuum.robertepprecht.ch/ogg/2010-04-25_wie-n-es-Lied-2_I_B4000C.ogg cc by-nc-sa Robert Epprecht [sorry if i broke the threading, lau did not let me post over gmane] From hollunder at lavabit.com Sun Dec 5 15:45:17 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:45:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] First KXlinux headaches. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> <5.1.0.14.2.20101203181013.01e94a18@mail.all-electric.com> <4CF8E04F.9080808@gmail.com> <4CF8F820.8040906@autostatic.com> <4CFA2033.2040804@autostatic.com> <4CFA7031.1080704@gmail.com> <1291550394-sup-6627@eris> Message-ID: <1291563287-sup-7118@eris> Excerpts from Ray Rashif's message of 2010-12-05 16:01:08 +0100: > On 5 December 2010 20:14, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > Anyway, it's easy to contribute to archaudio one way or another, and if > > someone thinks it's worthwhile to create a ready-made CD there's no-one > > stopping him. Arch means DIY. > > And now it's even easier since we've pushed some helper scripts as > 'archaudio-devtools'. Documentation will follow soon either on the > site or the wiki page. If the admin can find some time to include an > Arch chroot on the server (CentOS) to do daily builds, then we'd even > have automated, updated packages of bleeding-edge software! Anyone can > also do this locally with a cron job. > > Other than that, the more popular packages should get to [community] at least. > > The main reasons are (1) lack of manpower, and the only manpower > suffers from a (2) lack of time :p > > Anyway, here is one effort by 'seanbutnotheard': > > http://obsoleteaudio.org/projects/synthbox Thanks schiv, this shows how much I'm out of the loop :) The automatic building sounds nice and so does seanbutnotheards project. I'm glad in future man-power won't be needed for tasks such as building packages. As for my part in the game, I'm happy if I manage to keep my AUR packages up to date and standard. From hollunder at lavabit.com Sun Dec 5 16:03:13 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 17:03:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> Message-ID: <1291563985-sup-6701@eris> Excerpts from Pierre's message of 2010-12-04 14:05:24 +0100: > Scalpel is an audio editor for Linux written in Python. It aims at > providing a simple-to-use and easy-to-extend audio editor. Sound > hackers, get started translating your Matlab routines into Python/Numpy > functions! > > Scalpel uses PyGTK for the user interface, Numpy for the internal > processing, ALSA for the audio playing and libsndfile for reading and > writing files. A minimal part of the code is written in Cython for > better performance. > > Scalpel still has some rough edges but is quite usable. Try it now > and be sure to send your feedback. > > Links: > > * Homepage: http://scalpelsound.online.fr > * Source: http://gitorious.org/scalpel > * Pypi: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/scalpel Hi Pierre, I just gave it a brief try, and as it happens ran into a imho major problem. The .wav file I tried to open has just under 1GB. It took Scalpel just a couple of seconds to chew up all memory it could get an heavy swapping commenced (~80% of swap and it didn't stop). It seems to need more memory than the 1GB (~500 memory + ~1.5GB swap). The net result was that my machine wasn't particularly responsive anymore, and even less so was Scalpel. On the (kind of) positive side: Scalpel is in good company. mhwaveedit, snd and rezound failed as well, but without chewing all mem+swap. The former two seemed to do nothing at all and the later presented an incomprehensible error. audacity had no problem opening the file, only painting the waveform took a while. The DAWs I tried had no problem either (Traverso, Qtractor). I know that so little memory is rather unusual, but I'm rather sure the problem 'scales' well, more memory just needs bigger files. From lists.stackp at online.fr Sun Dec 5 16:33:20 2010 From: lists.stackp at online.fr (Pierre) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 17:33:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Scalpel Audio Editor 0.8.0 In-Reply-To: <1291563985-sup-6701@eris> References: <4CFA3C94.9010403@online.fr> <1291563985-sup-6701@eris> Message-ID: <4CFBBED0.7070001@online.fr> Hey Philip, Thanks for giving it a shot. Well, yes, I'm aware that memory consumption is a problem right now. Sorry for almost freezing your machine. :/ Actually, samples are internally stored as 64 bits floats, which consumes a lot of memory. I'll reduce the sample size to 32 bits ASAP. Besides, Scalpel currently loads the whole file in memory, whatever the size. I have my idea on how to avoid that, but it isn't trivial and I haven't had time to dig too much into that issue yet. Anyway, thanks a lot for the feedback, I'll definitely take it into account. Pierre From linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Sun Dec 5 19:19:38 2010 From: linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:19:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound Blaster Creative Extigy? Message-ID: <20101205191938.GE32642@michelle1> Hello *, does someone know, whether the "Sound Blaster Creative Extigy" works with ALSA and Debian? 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Thanks; IK From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Dec 5 19:32:02 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:32:02 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Sound Blaster Creative Extigy? In-Reply-To: <20101205191938.GE32642@michelle1> References: <20101205191938.GE32642@michelle1> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello *, > > does someone know, ?whether ?the ?"Sound Blaster Creative Extigy" ?works > with ALSA and Debian? http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main specifically: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs there's no device with that name on the page, so you should check for other names for the model you are thinking of (happens quite a bit when people talk about Creative Labs stuff) From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Dec 5 19:34:49 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:34:49 -0500 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <522685.51869.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <522685.51869.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Ivan K wrote: > I am looking to make a new computer purchase, and have decided > I want a 64bit AMD quad core processor. ?Before one gets to the Opterons > which start at about $205, I am looking at these two: > > (A) > AMD Athlon II X4 605e 2.30 GHz Processor - Quad-core, 4000 MHz HT - 2 MB L2 - Socket AM3 PGA-941 - > SKU: BA47028 ? ?Mfg. Part No: AD605EHDGIBOX ? ?Condition: New > Price: $124.99 > > (B) > AMD HDZ970FBGMBOX Phenom II X4 970 3.50 GHz Processor - Quad-core - 1 MB L2 - 6 MB L3 - > SKU: BA47186 ? ?Mfg. Part No: HDZ970FBGMBOX ? ?Condition: New > Price: $184.99 > > That is a $60 dollar difference (prices are from mwave). ?For > audio, should I really spend the extra 60 bucks? i thought i got better value from a 6 core for $280 at newegg, specifically a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2GHz which I use with this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644&Tpk=crosshair%20iv but your mileage may vary. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 19:36:09 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:36:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <522685.51869.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <522685.51869.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 08:31 PM, Ivan K wrote: > I am looking to make a new computer purchase, and have decided > I want a 64bit AMD quad core processor. Before one gets to the Opterons > which start at about $205, I am looking at these two: > > (A) > AMD Athlon II X4 605e 2.30 GHz Processor - Quad-core, 4000 MHz HT - 2 MB L2 - Socket AM3 PGA-941 - > SKU: BA47028 Mfg. Part No: AD605EHDGIBOX Condition: New > Price: $124.99 > > (B) > AMD HDZ970FBGMBOX Phenom II X4 970 3.50 GHz Processor - Quad-core - 1 MB L2 - 6 MB L3 - > SKU: BA47186 Mfg. Part No: HDZ970FBGMBOX Condition: New > Price: $184.99 > > That is a $60 dollar difference (prices are from mwave). For > audio, should I really spend the extra 60 bucks? > Why AMD? Just interest... \r From ivan_521521 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 5 19:47:06 2010 From: ivan_521521 at yahoo.com (Ivan K) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:47:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <989998.18848.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> This one?: AMD HDT75TFBGRBOX Phenom II X6 1075T 3 GHz Processor - Hexa-core - 3 MB L2 - 6 MB L3 - Socket AM3 PGA-941 - Box SKU: AB01346 Mfg. Part No: HDT75TFBGRBOX Condition: New Price: $205.99 Yes, it is six core and look at the price at mwave! Your recommended motherboard seems a bit pricey to me, though. --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Paul Davis wrote: > > i thought i got better value from a 6 core for $280 at > newegg, > specifically a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2GHz which I use with > this mobo: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644&Tpk=crosshair%20iv > > but your mileage may vary. > From ivan_521521 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 5 19:44:45 2010 From: ivan_521521 at yahoo.com (Ivan K) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:44:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Fw: Re: New processor purchase, AMD Message-ID: <223587.40628.qm@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ivan K wrote: > From: Ivan K > Subject: Re: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD > To: "Paul Davis" > Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:43 PM > This one?: > > AMD HDT75TFBGRBOX Phenom II X6 1075T 3 GHz Processor - > Hexa-core - 3 MB L2 - 6 MB L3 - Socket AM3 PGA-941 - Box > SKU: AB01346? ? Mfg. Part No: HDT75TFBGRBOX? > ? Condition: New > Price: $205.99 > > Yes, it is six core and look at the price at mwave! > Your recommended motherboard seems a bit pricey to me, > though. > > > --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Paul Davis > wrote: > > > > i thought i got better value from a 6 core for $280 > at > > newegg, > > specifically a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2GHz which I use > with > > this mobo: > > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644&Tpk=crosshair%20iv > > > > but your mileage may vary. > > > > > ? ? ? > From linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Sun Dec 5 19:52:32 2010 From: linux4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:52:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sound Blaster Creative Extigy? In-Reply-To: References: <20101205191938.GE32642@michelle1> Message-ID: <20101205195232.GG32642@michelle1> Hello Paul, Am 2010-12-05 14:32:02, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs Thanks found. > there's no device with that name on the page, so you should check for > other names for the model you are thinking of (happens quite a bit > when people talk about Creative Labs stuff) Sound Blaster Extigy Extigy Details [USB] [ANALOGio] [no 96kHz support, no support for 24-bit samples] So generaly it should work... will look for it why it is not detected. 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Just interest... > > \r From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 5 20:20:28 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:20:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <1291550798.21778.199.camel@ruiner> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> <1291550798.21778.199.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <4CFBF40C.3030601@autostatic.com> On 12/05/2010 01:06 PM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > Excellent! It has a great 80s synthpop vibe, and I really like the way > the different instruments and parts come and go in the latter half of > it. It's very catchy, too:) > > Thanks > Leigh Thanks Leigh! Originally I had Arpage playing the arpeggios but later on I threw them into Hydrogen. And great to hear you consider it catchy, that's what I was trying to aim for. Best, Jeremy From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 5 20:33:15 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:33:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] No joy with AVlinux In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <20101202204903.3848c57c@debian> Message-ID: <20101205203315.0667e02c@debian> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:55:54 -0500 Sean Corbett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Folderol wrote: > > add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile > > ? ? ? ?startx > > Instead of a blind "startx", you may find it handy to make your > .bash_profile a little smarter... i.e., here's what I use (on Arch): > > if [[ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]] && [[ "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" ]]; then > startx &> .xsession-log > logout > fi > > This way, you can log into another virtual terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F2 for > example) and do some debugging in the background. Or it's handy if > you don't feel like firing up X at all. > > -sean Sounds good to me. I'll give it a try :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 5 20:34:54 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:34:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFBF76E.6070402@autostatic.com> On 12/05/2010 01:23 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Jeremy! > Yes, lovely song that. It has drive and some nice sounds or at least > the sounds you had, made up to sound nice. :-) > I like the 70ish touch to it! If you had had a boomier bass drum and > slightly boomier snare, it would have been even more 70ish and even more > irresistable, where the rhythm is concerned. Just my personal feelings. > Thanks for sharing! I'd like some more... :-) > Warm regards > Julien Hello Julien, thanks! I know what you mean with a boomier bass and a boomier snare. But I deliberately didn't use boomier drums, in fact I eq'd the bass drums to filter out the lows and heavily gated the snare. I didn't want really big drums so all the other instruments would become more audible. There'll be more. This track was sitting on my harddrive for almost half a year now. Now that I feel like I know some basics I can move on. Best, Jeremy From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 20:36:39 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:36:39 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ivan K wrote: > > My thinking is that for multi-core 64bit, there are less expensive > than intel. ?Am I wrong about this? ?What multi-core intel 64bit processors > are people buying? > > --- On Sun, 12/5/10, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> >> Why AMD? Just interest... >> >> \r In the last year: Two i5-661 - 2 cores, 4 threads (4GB DRAM) One i7-820 - 4 cores, 8 threads (8GB DRAM + 2 disk RAID1) One i7-980x - 6 cores, 12 threads (24GB DRAM + 3 disk RAID1 + 2 disk RAID0) The Intel processors seem (to me) to be more power conscience lately. Don't forget to add up the incremental cost of electricity over the next few years running a processor without hyper-threading if you go that way. You might be better off spending a little more up front to save a lot in the long term. - Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 5 20:37:28 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:37:28 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20101205203728.63ddc550@debian> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:43:57 -0500 Brett McCoy wrote: > Does it need to be made 100% with Linux? I have a track I'd like to > submit but it uses some samples that were hosted on an external > Windows box, although it was sequenced, recorded and mastered entirely > with Linux > > "Born of Fire": http://www.alhazred.com/_music/born_of_fire.mp3 > > This was produced in March 2010 as a final project for a Berklee > college online class 'Arranging 1: Rhythm Section'. I wrote the score > in Lilypond, and then it was sequenced in Rosegarden, recorded & mixed > in Ardour, mastered with Jamin. Very interesting work. The stuttery intro totally misdirected me! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 5 20:38:20 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:38:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFBF83C.4090501@autostatic.com> LS, In addition to the audio files I've also uploaded a screencast to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azj7OAzP_GI Best, Jeremy From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 5 20:43:44 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:43:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:15:41 +0100 Robert Epprecht wrote: > > I'm compiling the 2010 mix at the moment. > > I have a couple of songs recorded with ardour on Linux. They where not > meant to be something like final versions. I'd sure like the performance > to be better at many places and the songs will feel a bit lengthy if you > do not understand the words, but as i cannot continue to work on them > for some other reason, it's all i have for now... I have no idea, if > one of them could possibly be adequate for your mix. > > http://proberuum.robertepprecht.ch/ogg/2010-06-19_Bergwind-3.ogg > http://proberuum.robertepprecht.ch/ogg/2010-04-25_wie-n-es-Lied-2_I_B4000C.ogg > > cc by-nc-sa > > Robert Epprecht > > [sorry if i broke the threading, lau did not let me post over gmane] Both make very pleasant light background music - even though can't understand the words. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 20:47:41 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:47:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 09:36 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ivan K wrote: > >> My thinking is that for multi-core 64bit, there are less expensive >> than intel. Am I wrong about this? What multi-core intel 64bit processors >> are people buying? >> >> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> >>> Why AMD? Just interest... >>> >>> \r >>> > In the last year: > > Two i5-661 - 2 cores, 4 threads (4GB DRAM) > One i7-820 - 4 cores, 8 threads (8GB DRAM + 2 disk RAID1) > One i7-980x - 6 cores, 12 threads (24GB DRAM + 3 disk RAID1 + 2 disk RAID0) > > The Intel processors seem (to me) to be more power conscience lately. > Don't forget to add up the incremental cost of electricity over the > next few years running a processor without hyper-threading if you go > that way. You might be better off spending a little more up front to > save a lot in the long term. > AMD seems to be more opensource friendly? \r From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 5 20:52:50 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:52:50 +0000 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFBF83C.4090501@autostatic.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> <4CFBF83C.4090501@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <20101205205250.6d7062af@debian> On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:38:20 +0100 Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > LS, > > In addition to the audio files I've also uploaded a screencast to > YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azj7OAzP_GI > > Best, > > Jeremy Good song, and I like the video - very instructive. Thanks for the thumbs up on my Yoshi/Zyn patches :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 5 20:54:15 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:54:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101205205415.73dbf33b@debian> On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:47:41 +0100 "rosea.grammostola" wrote: > On 12/05/2010 09:36 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ivan K wrote: > > > >> My thinking is that for multi-core 64bit, there are less expensive > >> than intel. Am I wrong about this? What multi-core intel 64bit processors > >> are people buying? > >> > >> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >> > >>> Why AMD? Just interest... > >>> > >>> \r > >>> > > In the last year: > > > > Two i5-661 - 2 cores, 4 threads (4GB DRAM) > > One i7-820 - 4 cores, 8 threads (8GB DRAM + 2 disk RAID1) > > One i7-980x - 6 cores, 12 threads (24GB DRAM + 3 disk RAID1 + 2 disk RAID0) > > > > The Intel processors seem (to me) to be more power conscience lately. > > Don't forget to add up the incremental cost of electricity over the > > next few years running a processor without hyper-threading if you go > > that way. You might be better off spending a little more up front to > > save a lot in the long term. > > > > AMD seems to be more opensource friendly? > > \r That's the impression I get too. I also don't like the way Intel was trying to squeeze them out either :( -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 21:08:04 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:08:04 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > AMD seems to be more opensource friendly? > > \r I used to think that was true, mainly due to the pre-AMD ATI history, but reading LKML and the Intel-Gfx lists over the last 2-3 years I've changed my mind. Intel makes contributions to kernel development and supplies lots of Open Source hardware drivers, far more I think than AMD. The Intel Graphics driver development is manned by Intel people with Intel mailing addresses. They have good Linux platform bring-up support included with retail motherboards and on their web site including methods for updating BIOS that don't require Windows or DOS. Don't get me wrong. I love AMD. I worked for them twice for about 8 years total and they are a great company with great products. I just think Intels back in the lead for the last year or so. I expect AMD will stay in the game, but get ahead I'm not sure. Just my view, Mark From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Dec 5 21:10:54 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:10:54 -0500 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Don't get me wrong. I love AMD. I worked for them twice for about 8 > years total and they are a great company with great products. I just > think Intels back in the lead for the last year or so. I expect AMD > will stay in the game, but get ahead I'm not sure. when i was researching my recent CPU & mobo upgrade, my impression was that right now: * Intel still produces the absolute fastest systems * AMD offers better cost/computational-power ratio just below the fastest * Intel offers better value down in the midrange * AMD does better in the low end From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 5 21:16:04 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:16:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= Message-ID: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Hi 2nd sunday of advent, and I made a new version (new melody and music) of the danish christmas carol "Blomstre som en roseng?rd". http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/blomstre-som-en-roseng-rd http://atte.dk/download/blomstre_som_en_rosengaard.mp3 Feedback welcome, although I realize this is not most peoples bag :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 21:23:20 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:23:20 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> Don't get me wrong. I love AMD. I worked for them twice for about 8 >> years total and they are a great company with great products. I just >> think Intels back in the lead for the last year or so. I expect AMD >> will stay in the game, but get ahead I'm not sure. > > when i was researching my recent CPU & mobo upgrade, my impression was > that right now: > > ? * Intel still produces the absolute fastest systems > ? * AMD offers better cost/computational-power ratio just below the fastest > ? * Intel offers better value down in the midrange > ? * AMD does better in the low end > I have no significant disagreements with that analysis. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Dec 5 21:27:49 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:27:49 -0500 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > 2nd sunday of advent, and I made a new version (new melody and music) of the > danish christmas carol "Blomstre som en roseng?rd". > > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/blomstre-som-en-roseng-rd > http://atte.dk/download/blomstre_som_en_rosengaard.mp3 > > Feedback welcome, although I realize this is not most peoples bag :-) i'm digging it. but only if you managed to create it without using qtractor! :)) --p From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 5 21:30:34 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:30:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFC047A.9080702@email.dk> On 2010-12-05 22:27, Paul Davis wrote: > i'm digging it. Thanks! > but only if you managed to create it without using qtractor! :)) I managed just fine :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 5 21:36:57 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:36:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <4CFC05F9.9070201@email.dk> On 2010-12-04 23:40, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I'm compiling the 2010 mix at the moment. Unfortunately I lost a few > months worth of data between Jan - May. If you released a track during > that time and you would like it to be considered for the 2010 mix please > send me a link so I can download it again. I did some music in 2010: Flow (album), as part of rpm2010 http://modlys.bandcamp.com/album/flow Andagt (EP), for a book (!): http://modlys.bandcamp.com/album/andagt A couple of remixes of older tunes: http://modlys.bandcamp.com/album/remixes + the christmas music that I've announced today and last sunday: http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/velkommen-igen-guds-engle-sm http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/blomstre-som-en-roseng-rd I hope it's not to cumbersome to hear it (or at least get an idea) through the bandcamp player, in any case I'd be happy to send you mp3's of everything offlist :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 5 21:48:49 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:48:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Message-ID: Hello atte! I like this tune. It sits well with my ears. I sometmes feel, that your music would do even better, with some more sampled sounds, as in more typical. The way you do it, is certainly you and can never be someone else. At least I didn't hear anything, which "reminded me of you". Thanks for sharing! Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From joelz at pobox.com Sun Dec 5 23:00:13 2010 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:00:13 -1000 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101205230012.GB3376@sprite> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:36:39PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ivan K wrote: > > > > My thinking is that for multi-core 64bit, there are less expensive > > than intel. ?Am I wrong about this? ?What multi-core intel 64bit processors > > are people buying? > > > > --- On Sun, 12/5/10, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >> > >> Why AMD? Just interest... > >> > >> \r > > In the last year: > > Two i5-661 - 2 cores, 4 threads (4GB DRAM) > One i7-820 - 4 cores, 8 threads (8GB DRAM + 2 disk RAID1) > One i7-980x - 6 cores, 12 threads (24GB DRAM + 3 disk RAID1 + 2 disk RAID0) > > The Intel processors seem (to me) to be more power conscience lately. > Don't forget to add up the incremental cost of electricity over the > next few years running a processor without hyper-threading if you go > that way. You might be better off spending a little more up front to > save a lot in the long term. I'm more pro-Intel since a close encounter with an i5. I now have a Thinkpad 410 with i5-M560 that is (mostly) Linux-friendly, runs cool and is power thrifty. * The Intel supplied driver sources work for the integrated GPU under a recent kernel. (I'm using 2.6.36.) * Important Fn-key combinations work. * Beeps are still audible with the alsamixer beep control muted. :-( * I'll be replacing the Realtek rtl8192se wireless card. This is after fruitless hours compiling/fiddling stale drivers and equally stale ndiswrapper. * I haven't tested the firewire. It is Ricoh e832 chipset, and appears to work, with some problems reported when the BIOS is set to allow virtual machines. The jack is the mini size. My previous notebook, Toshiba Satellite L305D had an AMD Turion x2 QL-64 processor, and run an H2O BIOS. It tended to overheat, always needed to be set up on books for better airflow, and was on only (barely) acceptable with clock fixed to 1GHz. I suppose I could have bought an external cooler. But then the LCD developed problems... Cheers, Joel > - Mark -- Joel Roth From robin at gareus.org Sun Dec 5 23:10:19 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:10:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <20101205230012.GB3376@sprite> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20101205230012.GB3376@sprite> Message-ID: <4CFC1BDB.7000307@gareus.org> On 12/06/2010 12:00 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:36:39PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ivan K wrote: >>> >>> My thinking is that for multi-core 64bit, there are less expensive >>> than intel. Am I wrong about this? What multi-core intel 64bit processors >>> are people buying? >>> >>> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>>> >>>> Why AMD? Just interest... >>>> >>>> \r >> >> In the last year: >> >> Two i5-661 - 2 cores, 4 threads (4GB DRAM) >> One i7-820 - 4 cores, 8 threads (8GB DRAM + 2 disk RAID1) >> One i7-980x - 6 cores, 12 threads (24GB DRAM + 3 disk RAID1 + 2 disk RAID0) >> >> The Intel processors seem (to me) to be more power conscience lately. >> Don't forget to add up the incremental cost of electricity over the >> next few years running a processor without hyper-threading if you go >> that way. You might be better off spending a little more up front to >> save a lot in the long term. > > I'm more pro-Intel since a close encounter with an i5. > > I now have a Thinkpad 410 with i5-M560 that is (mostly) > Linux-friendly, runs cool and is power thrifty. > > * The Intel supplied driver sources work for the integrated GPU > under a recent kernel. (I'm using 2.6.36.) > > * Important Fn-key combinations work. > > * Beeps are still audible with the alsamixer beep control muted. :-( maybe you already knew but here's a "workaround" for X: xset b off > * I'll be replacing the Realtek rtl8192se wireless card. > This is after fruitless hours compiling/fiddling stale > drivers and equally stale ndiswrapper. > > * I haven't tested the firewire. It is Ricoh e832 chipset, > and appears to work, with some problems reported when > the BIOS is set to allow virtual machines. The jack > is the mini size. > > My previous notebook, Toshiba Satellite L305D had an AMD > Turion x2 QL-64 processor, and run an H2O BIOS. It tended to > overheat, always needed to be set up on books for better > airflow, and was on only (barely) acceptable with clock > fixed to 1GHz. > > I suppose I could have bought an external cooler. > But then the LCD developed problems... > > Cheers, > > Joel > > >> - Mark From lsd at wootangent.net Sun Dec 5 23:25:53 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:25:53 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? In-Reply-To: References: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <4CFC1F81.6080708@wootangent.net> On 05/12/10 23:20, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Leigh! > I haven't used sfz, but I think it's a text-based format? So create > several sfz files, one containing only the snare with its mapping, one > the toms,... Load several sfz-engines, create several channels and go. > My load script for the Drumkit from Hell, looks like this (it's two > gigfiles, each containing kick, snare, toms, hihats+cymbals. One gigfile > is closemic'ed the other with room. Thanks Julien -- I was thinking that might be an option, either splitting up the drumkit (which should be easy enough to do since SFZ is indeed just a text file), or just loading multiple instances of it on to separate JACK ports. How do you handle the incoming MIDI? Do you simply write separate parts for each instance of the drumkit (ie: a kick MIDI track, a snare MIDI trac, etc.)? That seems like the easiest way to handle it, and I guess if I really felt the need to have the MIDI all on one track, I could use QMidiRoute or something to split the different notes out to different MIDI ports or channels for LinuxSampler. Thanks Leigh > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK > CREATE AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE JACK > CREATE MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE ALSA > ADD CHANNEL > ADD CHANNEL > ADD CHANNEL > ADD CHANNEL > ADD CHANNEL > ADD CHANNEL > ADD CHANNEL > ADD CHANNEL > LOAD ENGINE GIG 0 > LOAD ENGINE GIG 1 > LOAD ENGINE GIG 2 > LOAD ENGINE GIG 3 > LOAD ENGINE GIG 4 > LOAD ENGINE GIG 5 > LOAD ENGINE GIG 6 > LOAD ENGINE GIG 7 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 0 0 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 1 1 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 2 2 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 3 3 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 4 0 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 5 1 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 6 2 > SET CHANNEL AUDIO_OUTPUT_DEVICE 7 3 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 0 0 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 1 0 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 2 0 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 3 0 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 4 0 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 5 0 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 6 0 > SET CHANNEL MIDI_INPUT_DEVICE 7 0 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 0 0 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 2 1 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 10 2 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/cDFH.gig" 16 3 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 0 4 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 2 5 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 10 6 > LOAD INSTRUMENT "/home/src/test/gig/dfh/rDFH.gig" 16 7 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 0 1.3 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 1 1.2 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 2 1.0 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 3 0.8 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 4 1.3 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 5 0.6 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 6 1.1 > SET CHANNEL VOLUME 7 1.2 > > I hope that helps. > Kindest regards > Julien > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 5 23:49:14 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:49:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Drumming in LinuxSampler -- per-note outputs? In-Reply-To: <4CFC1F81.6080708@wootangent.net> References: <1291546326.21778.121.camel@ruiner> <4CFC1F81.6080708@wootangent.net> Message-ID: Hello Leigh! I always drum live! :-) I'm a keyboard drummer, and I believe not too bad. But as you can see, I only have one MIDI input driver created for LinuxSampler. I think Linuxsampler is set to receive MIDI on all channels. I guess you might just set it to receive data for your kit only on channel 10. I simply use midi_router to get a nicer mapping, but you won't need that, since you program and you have the sfz to map it directly. :-) Hope that helps. Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 02:47:51 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:47:51 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? Message-ID: hey everybody! I'm very happy to report that I have linuxsampler running on my laptop now, and I can't wait to try it out. as was mentioned in leigh's post about drums, I've downloaded analogue drums and the salamander grand piano, but I really would like a rhodes patch. can anyone point me to a good rhodes that would work well in linuxsampler? (I'm familiar with the learjeff rhodes out there on the 'net; I wonder if it would load up ok? can't hurt to try...) thanks! josh -- Josh Lawrence "Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be not prejudiced against names unknown to you." ~Robert Schumann From epprecht at solnet.ch Mon Dec 6 06:11:27 2010 From: epprecht at solnet.ch (Robert Epprecht) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:11:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> Message-ID: <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Folderol writes: >> http://proberuum.robertepprecht.ch/ogg/2010-06-19_Bergwind-3.ogg >> http://proberuum.robertepprecht.ch/ogg/2010-04-25_wie-n-es-Lied-2_I_B4000C.ogg > > Both make very pleasant light background music - even though can't > understand the words. > Thank you Folderol. I'm sure you wanted to express something positive with your wording, even if I *hate* background music ;) Well the text isn't lightwight at all, btw, especially 'Bergwind'... Robert Epprecht From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 07:23:31 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:23:31 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: Hey guys, Patrick! Here's a small list of what I've done with Linux Audio in 2010: Tribute to Scooter (LMMS): http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/samples/TributeToScooter/TributeToScooter.ogg The Tribe (LMMS+Ardour): http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/TheTribe.ogg For LAC2010 - Inside an Echo Chamber v.1 (Kluppe, Rakarrack, Ardour, LADSPA): http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/EchoChLAC2010.ogg Sunset (Qtractor, Phasex, Rakarrack): http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/Sunset.ogg Also, albums Radiogram: http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=radiogram And Houseman "Tranquility" http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=houseman&num=1 But those need a flash player. Can be downloaded from it (right click track name when tune starts buffering, "Download this track"). Would be honoured to have some of these tunes on a Linux radio! -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Dec 6 07:59:09 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:59:09 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: <4CFC05F9.9070201@email.dk> References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <4CFC05F9.9070201@email.dk> Message-ID: <3f56e8256897f0371187ae33dde58130.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Sun, December 5, 2010 1:36 pm, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-04 23:40, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> I'm compiling the 2010 mix at the moment. Unfortunately I lost a few >> months worth of data between Jan - May. If you released a track during >> that time and you would like it to be considered for the 2010 mix please >> send me a link so I can download it again. > > I did some music in 2010: > > Flow (album), as part of rpm2010 > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/album/flow > > Andagt (EP), for a book (!): > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/album/andagt > > A couple of remixes of older tunes: > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/album/remixes > > + the christmas music that I've announced today and last sunday: > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/velkommen-igen-guds-engle-sm > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/blomstre-som-en-roseng-rd > > I hope it's not to cumbersome to hear it (or at least get an idea) > through the bandcamp player, in any case I'd be happy to send you mp3's > of everything offlist :-) > Definitely, I feel confident that you will provide only the highest quality production so please send me the links to any tracks you are happy to release to the public domain. I'm sure they will make the cut. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Dec 6 08:02:38 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:02:38 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: On Sun, December 5, 2010 11:23 pm, Louigi Verona wrote: > Hey guys, Patrick! > > Here's a small list of what I've done with Linux Audio in 2010: > > Tribute to Scooter (LMMS): > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/samples/TributeToScooter/TributeToScooter.ogg > > The Tribe (LMMS+Ardour): > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/TheTribe.ogg > > For LAC2010 - Inside an Echo Chamber v.1 (Kluppe, Rakarrack, Ardour, > LADSPA): > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/EchoChLAC2010.ogg > > Sunset (Qtractor, Phasex, Rakarrack): > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/Sunset.ogg > > > Also, albums Radiogram: > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=radiogram > And Houseman "Tranquility" > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=houseman&num=1 > But those need a flash player. Can be downloaded from it (right click > track > name when tune starts buffering, "Download this track"). > Couldn't get those track to download. If you want to send me direct links off list I'm sure one of them will be included. > > Would be honoured to have some of these tunes on a Linux radio! > > -- > Louigi Verona > http://www.louigiverona.ru/ > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 08:06:51 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:06:51 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > On Sun, December 5, 2010 11:23 pm, Louigi Verona wrote: > > Hey guys, Patrick! > > > > Here's a small list of what I've done with Linux Audio in 2010: > > > > Tribute to Scooter (LMMS): > > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/samples/TributeToScooter/TributeToScooter.ogg > > > > The Tribe (LMMS+Ardour): > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/TheTribe.ogg > > > > For LAC2010 - Inside an Echo Chamber v.1 (Kluppe, Rakarrack, Ardour, > > LADSPA): > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/EchoChLAC2010.ogg > > > > Sunset (Qtractor, Phasex, Rakarrack): > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/Sunset.ogg > > > > > > Also, albums Radiogram: > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=radiogram > > And Houseman "Tranquility" > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=houseman&num=1 > > But those need a flash player. Can be downloaded from it (right click > > track > > name when tune starts buffering, "Download this track"). > > > > Couldn't get those track to download. If you want to send me direct links > off list I'm sure one of them will be included. > > > > > > Would be honoured to have some of these tunes on a Linux radio! > > > > -- > > Louigi Verona > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd. > > > > All tunes can be considered as public domain, I do not hold any proprietary stance towards them. I just appreciate people leaving my name intact :) As for Radiogram and Tranquility, I will have to upload them to my ftp just like other files, since getting links off of Disc Shelf is ass. I will get to it in the evening. 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URL: From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Dec 6 08:09:18 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:09:18 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: On Mon, December 6, 2010 12:06 am, Louigi Verona wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Patrick Shirkey > > wrote: > >> On Sun, December 5, 2010 11:23 pm, Louigi Verona wrote: >> > Hey guys, Patrick! >> > >> > Here's a small list of what I've done with Linux Audio in 2010: >> > >> > Tribute to Scooter (LMMS): >> > >> http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/samples/TributeToScooter/TributeToScooter.ogg >> > >> > The Tribe (LMMS+Ardour): >> > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/TheTribe.ogg >> > >> > For LAC2010 - Inside an Echo Chamber v.1 (Kluppe, Rakarrack, Ardour, >> > LADSPA): >> > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/EchoChLAC2010.ogg >> > >> > Sunset (Qtractor, Phasex, Rakarrack): >> > http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/Sunset.ogg >> > >> > >> > Also, albums Radiogram: >> > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=radiogram >> > And Houseman "Tranquility" >> > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=music&t=houseman&num=1 >> > But those need a flash player. Can be downloaded from it (right click >> > track >> > name when tune starts buffering, "Download this track"). >> > >> >> Couldn't get those track to download. If you want to send me direct >> links >> off list I'm sure one of them will be included. >> >> >> > >> > Would be honoured to have some of these tunes on a Linux radio! >> > >> > -- >> > Louigi Verona >> > http://www.louigiverona.ru/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Linux-audio-user mailing list >> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > >> >> >> -- >> Patrick Shirkey >> Boost Hardware Ltd. >> >> >> >> > > All tunes can be considered as public domain, I do not hold any > proprietary > stance towards them. > I just appreciate people leaving my name intact :) > > As for Radiogram and Tranquility, I will have to upload them to my ftp > just > like other files, since > getting links off of Disc Shelf is ass. I will get to it in the evening. > But > did you get the rest of the ogg files? > Yes, sorry to be imprecise. Just the flash ones wouldn't download for me. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From jamesmstone at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 08:21:52 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:21:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sampletekk do very nice giga instruments, and they do a Rhodes IIRC, but you would do well to wait for one of their many sales! The Learjeff is a soundfont, so would work with fluidsynth/qsynth but not linuxsampler. James On 06/12/2010, Josh Lawrence wrote: > hey everybody! > > I'm very happy to report that I have linuxsampler running on my laptop > now, and I can't wait to try it out. as was mentioned in leigh's post > about drums, I've downloaded analogue drums and the salamander grand > piano, but I really would like a rhodes patch. can anyone point me to > a good rhodes that would work well in linuxsampler? > > (I'm familiar with the learjeff rhodes out there on the 'net; I wonder > if it would load up ok? can't hurt to try...) > > thanks! > > josh > > -- > Josh Lawrence > > "Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be > not prejudiced against names unknown to you." > > ~Robert Schumann > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 6 08:56:22 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:56:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFCA536.7060707@autostatic.com> On 12/06/2010 09:21 AM, James Stone wrote: > The Learjeff is a soundfont, so would work with fluidsynth/qsynth but > not linuxsampler. With LinuxSampler from CVS you can also load soundfonts. Best, Jeremy From lsd at wootangent.net Mon Dec 6 09:13:43 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:13:43 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1291626823.12312.18.camel@ruiner> On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 20:47 -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > hey everybody! > > I'm very happy to report that I have linuxsampler running on my laptop > now, and I can't wait to try it out. as was mentioned in leigh's post > about drums, I've downloaded analogue drums and the salamander grand > piano, but I really would like a rhodes patch. can anyone point me to > a good rhodes that would work well in linuxsampler? > > (I'm familiar with the learjeff rhodes out there on the 'net; I wonder > if it would load up ok? can't hurt to try...) In theory, LinuxSampler CVS should load the jRhodes3 soundfont, but I had trouble doing so here -- LinuxSampler crashed when I tried. It might just be a problem with the build of LinuxSampler I have here, but I get the impression that the SF2 backend for LinuxSampler isn't as mature as the GIG and SFZ backends. However, this tool (it's a free-as-in-beer, closed-source, Windows app, but it worked just fine under Wine for me) can convert SF2 to SFZ: http://audio.clockbeat.com/sfZed.html I gave it a shot on the jRhodes3 SF2 file, and the resulting SFZ works well in my LinuxSampler CVS build. If anyone wants a copy of this, email me off-list and I'll send you a link. If there's enough interest, I'll email the author and see if he's happy for me to release it publicly. Thanks Leigh > > thanks! > > josh > From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 09:32:41 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:32:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <1291626823.12312.18.camel@ruiner> References: <1291626823.12312.18.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <4CFCADB9.8090000@gmail.com> On 12/06/2010 10:13 AM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 20:47 -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > >> hey everybody! >> >> I'm very happy to report that I have linuxsampler running on my laptop >> now, and I can't wait to try it out. as was mentioned in leigh's post >> about drums, I've downloaded analogue drums and the salamander grand >> piano, but I really would like a rhodes patch. can anyone point me to >> a good rhodes that would work well in linuxsampler? >> >> (I'm familiar with the learjeff rhodes out there on the 'net; I wonder >> if it would load up ok? can't hurt to try...) >> > In theory, LinuxSampler CVS should load the jRhodes3 soundfont, but I > had trouble doing so here -- LinuxSampler crashed when I tried. It might > just be a problem with the build of LinuxSampler I have here, but I get > the impression that the SF2 backend for LinuxSampler isn't as mature as > the GIG and SFZ backends. > > However, this tool (it's a free-as-in-beer, closed-source, Windows app, > but it worked just fine under Wine for me) can convert SF2 to SFZ: > > http://audio.clockbeat.com/sfZed.html > > I gave it a shot on the jRhodes3 SF2 file, and the resulting SFZ works > well in my LinuxSampler CVS build. If anyone wants a copy of this, email > me off-list and I'll send you a link. If there's enough interest, I'll > email the author and see if he's happy for me to release it publicly. > Speaking about Rhodes, Pianoteq seems to have a Rhodes addon. Does anyone have tried it? Is it good? \r From jostein at vait.se Mon Dec 6 09:37:05 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:37:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <4CFCADB9.8090000@gmail.com> References: <1291626823.12312.18.camel@ruiner> <4CFCADB9.8090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012061037.05627.jostein@vait.se> m?ndag 06 december 2010 10.32.41 skrev rosea.grammostola: ... > Speaking about Rhodes, Pianoteq seems to have a Rhodes addon. Does > anyone have tried it? Is it good? Oh yes, It is incredible good - like most of the instruments they have. Jostein From jamesmstone at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 10:05:24 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:05:24 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <1291626823.12312.18.camel@ruiner> References: <1291626823.12312.18.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 20:47 -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: >> hey everybody! >> >> I'm very happy to report that I have linuxsampler running on my laptop >> now, and I can't wait to try it out. ?as was mentioned in leigh's post >> about drums, I've downloaded analogue drums and the salamander grand >> piano, but I really would like a rhodes patch. ?can anyone point me to >> a good rhodes that would work well in linuxsampler? >> >> (I'm familiar with the learjeff rhodes out there on the 'net; I wonder >> if it would load up ok? ?can't hurt to try...) > > In theory, LinuxSampler CVS should load the jRhodes3 soundfont, but I > had trouble doing so here -- LinuxSampler crashed when I tried. It might > just be a problem with the build of LinuxSampler I have here, but I get > the impression that the SF2 backend for LinuxSampler isn't as mature as > the GIG and SFZ backends. > > However, this tool (it's a free-as-in-beer, closed-source, Windows app, > but it worked just fine under Wine for me) can convert SF2 to SFZ: > > http://audio.clockbeat.com/sfZed.html > > I gave it a shot on the jRhodes3 SF2 file, and the resulting SFZ works > well in my LinuxSampler CVS build. If anyone wants a copy of this, email > me off-list and I'll send you a link. If there's enough interest, I'll > email the author and see if he's happy for me to release it publicly. > Interesting, but (I'm not being sarcastic here) what's the point? Why not use fluidsynth to play soundfonts, seeing as that is what it was designed for?? James From igor at hyperglitch.com Mon Dec 6 10:46:09 2010 From: igor at hyperglitch.com (Igor Brkic) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:46:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFCBEF1.5040500@hyperglitch.com> On 05.12.2010 22:16, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > 2nd sunday of advent, and I made a new version (new melody and music) of > the danish christmas carol "Blomstre som en roseng?rd". > > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/blomstre-som-en-roseng-rd > http://atte.dk/download/blomstre_som_en_rosengaard.mp3 > > Feedback welcome, although I realize this is not most peoples bag :-) > Cool track! Theme and lyrics are not really "my bag" :) but very nice ambient and overall sound. I like it! Cheers! Igor From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 6 10:49:13 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:49:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Josh! I have the sampletekk Rhodes and I'm very happy with it. Of course you can listen to demos on their website. My impression: Very warm, but a little dificult to get it biting. Still everything's there. But as mentioned, if you like to go for it, have a look at their site and see when the next sale is on. Should be now or very soon, since christmas is always a good time for it. :-) Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From zwy648rct at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 10:56:01 2010 From: zwy648rct at gmail.com (M Watts) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:56:01 +1000 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20101201212111.01e6ec80@mail.internode.on.net> <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> Message-ID: <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> On 12/03/2010 08:54 PM, allcoms wrote: > Ah! You're ex-RISCOS? All is forgiven/ explained then. I'm not > entirely sure Archimedes and RISCOS machines were available outside > blighty but they were quite cool for school at the time. They were certainly used in a number of Australian schools, as were BBC micros before them. I still call `!' `pling'... From igor at hyperglitch.com Mon Dec 6 10:58:58 2010 From: igor at hyperglitch.com (Igor Brkic) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:58:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFCC1F2.50208@hyperglitch.com> On 05.12.2010 09:33, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > LS, > > For the moment I consider this track finished. Well, finished as in that > it sounds much like I want it to. When Qtractor 0.4.7 came out I decided > I had to let myself go concerning effects, especially now they can be > MIDI controlled which is just great. I set up a special FX automation > MIDI track and off I went. > The female vocals were done by my girlfriend. Just a few takes and she > was greatly unsatisfied but with some effects and some cutting up it > turned out quite ok. > Huge shout out to Will J Godfrey (aka Folderol) for his amazing > instrument bank, I used Warm Synth, Sharp Synth, Pizzicato Strings and > the great Wind and Surf for the swooossssshhh. Also big props for Cal > for the ever improving Yoshimi. And Rui of course. Qtractor just rocks. > Lastly, the FFADO folks. I'm now looking at my shiny and new Focusrite > Saffire Pro 40 that has been running happily for hours now at 4ms with > about 20+ tracks and about the same amount of effects. Yeah, I > encountered some occasional xruns, but basically that only happens when > I open stuff like LV2 gui's or change hefty instrument patches with > Yoshimi (which will be a thing of the past once the sqlite3 > implementation for the banks has been perfectioned). > I'll see if I can do a screencast of this track. Nothing is cooler than > seeing those slick Calf plugins do their stuff automatically :) > > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown20101204.ogg > > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown%2020101204.mp3 > > > And yes, I've learned so much in the making of this track. I've never > worked with compressors, gates, filters and eq's before and this track > was like a playground in which I could all test it out. > Synthy :) Nice one. Not really my style but very good arrangement and mix. I like the video too - it's nice to see part of workflow of someone who's very good at what's he doing. Cheers! Igor From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 6 11:12:41 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:12:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> On 12/06/2010 11:49 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Josh! > I have the sampletekk Rhodes and I'm very happy with it. Of course you > can listen to demos on their website. My impression: Very warm, but a > little dificult to get it biting. Still everything's there. But as > mentioned, if you like to go for it, have a look at their site and see > when the next sale is on. Should be now or very soon, since christmas is > always a good time for it. :-) > Kindly yours > Julien So both Pianoteq and Sampletekk are good to work with? I have some issues with the Learjeff soundfont as I am a tuning freak. His Rhodes was either slightly out of tune or a wee bit badly intonated. Or maybe I can do something about this? Maybe there's something going wrong while up/downsampling? Best, Jeremy From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 6 11:17:49 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:17:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Hello Jeremy! There shouldn't be issues up/downsampling. At least I never exprerienced them with fluidsynth. You can try swami to edit the soundfont. It should be satisfactory to change tuning. They did a lot of work on fluidsynth recently, I'm not sure how much effort they put into swami, which is somehow loosely related to it. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From lsd at wootangent.net Mon Dec 6 11:19:03 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:19:03 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: <1291626823.12312.18.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <1291634343.12312.51.camel@ruiner> On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 10:05 +0000, James Stone wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > > I gave it a shot on the jRhodes3 SF2 file, and the resulting SFZ works > > well in my LinuxSampler CVS build. If anyone wants a copy of this, email > > me off-list and I'll send you a link. If there's enough interest, I'll > > email the author and see if he's happy for me to release it publicly. > > > > Interesting, but (I'm not being sarcastic here) what's the point? Why > not use fluidsynth to play soundfonts, seeing as that is what it was > designed for?? I'll admit there's a significant "because I can" factor :) There are some advantages to using LinuxSampler, though -- it uses less RAM for large sounds (since it streams data from disk), and it's easy to create and recall instrument setups for a complete track. If you're already using LinuxSampler for one instrument on your track, it's easier to load more instruments in to that than to fire up Qsynth/FluidSynth as well. I think SFZ has limitations when it comes to handling multiple sounds within a single file, though, so it's no substitute for SF2 and FluidSynth when it comes to handling GM sets. Thanks Leigh > > James > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 6 11:20:26 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:20:26 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFCC1F2.50208@hyperglitch.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> <4CFCC1F2.50208@hyperglitch.com> Message-ID: <4CFCC6FA.5040508@autostatic.com> On 12/06/2010 11:58 AM, Igor Brkic wrote: > Synthy :) > Nice one. Not really my style but very good arrangement and mix. I like > the video too - it's nice to see part of workflow of someone who's very > good at what's he doing. > > Cheers! > Igor Thanks Igor! I know how to write a song but the rest is all very new to me, especially things like mixing, effects and mastering. So if I got anything wrong, let me know. Maybe I should order a good book about homerecording to read during the holidays. Best, Jeremy From atte at email.dk Mon Dec 6 11:22:34 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:22:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFCBEF1.5040500@hyperglitch.com> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> <4CFCBEF1.5040500@hyperglitch.com> Message-ID: <4CFCC77A.3020801@email.dk> On 2010-12-06 11:46, Igor Brkic wrote: > Cool track! Theme and lyrics are not really "my bag" :) but very nice > ambient and overall sound. I like it! Thanks. I assume that by "theme" you mean the vocal/melody. I sometimes heard people say that I should get rid of the vocals and the music would be much cooler. But although I do realize that it's sometimes mixing water and oil, I insist on exploring this. And although I can't really think of many (any?) artists that sound like what I have in my head (maybe because it really *is* a dead end), I feel that there's something to be found in that blend of electronica and pop... Anyways, thanks for listening! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From lsd at wootangent.net Mon Dec 6 11:32:29 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:32:29 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 12:12 +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/06/2010 11:49 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > > Hello Josh! > > I have the sampletekk Rhodes and I'm very happy with it. Of course you > > can listen to demos on their website. My impression: Very warm, but a > > little dificult to get it biting. Still everything's there. But as > > mentioned, if you like to go for it, have a look at their site and see > > when the next sale is on. Should be now or very soon, since christmas is > > always a good time for it. :-) > > Kindly yours > > Julien > > So both Pianoteq and Sampletekk are good to work with? I have some > issues with the Learjeff soundfont as I am a tuning freak. His Rhodes > was either slightly out of tune or a wee bit badly intonated. Or maybe I > can do something about this? Maybe there's something going wrong while > up/downsampling? If you're curious about the Pianoteq Rhodes emulation (or any other part of Pianoteq), just head to the website and grab the demo: http://www.pianoteq.com/try It's a small (25MB or so) download, and it's very easy to get going. Unless you have a total aversion to proprietary software, I think you owe it to yourself to check it out. FWIW, I haven't purchased the Rhodes/Wurlitzer add-on yet, but I've played with it a little and it sounded great to me. I haven't had a need for a Rhodes sound yet, but when I do, it'll almost certainly be the one I go for. Pianoteq itself I can't recommend enough. It sounds great, of course (as good as a sampled piano to my ears), but above all else it feels "alive" beneath your fingers in a way I've never experienced in a sampled piano. It also gives you a range of piano sounds in a scant 30MB or so, rather than one piano sound in a 1-2GB sample library, so it's great for smaller systems like laptops. If you just need a great piano sound from your sequencer, the Salamander and LinuxSampler CVS will do a stellar job, but if you want an instrument to play and feel that'll make you forget that you're just sending MIDI signals from a plastic keyboard, Pianoteq is just brilliant. Thanks Leigh From igor at hyperglitch.com Mon Dec 6 11:36:30 2010 From: igor at hyperglitch.com (Igor Brkic) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:36:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFCC77A.3020801@email.dk> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> <4CFCBEF1.5040500@hyperglitch.com> <4CFCC77A.3020801@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFCCABE.5080808@hyperglitch.com> On 06.12.2010 12:22, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-06 11:46, Igor Brkic wrote: > >> Cool track! Theme and lyrics are not really "my bag" :) but very nice >> ambient and overall sound. I like it! > > Thanks. > > I assume that by "theme" you mean the vocal/melody. I sometimes heard > people say that I should get rid of the vocals and the music would be > much cooler. But although I do realize that it's sometimes mixing water > and oil, I insist on exploring this. And although I can't really think > of many (any?) artists that sound like what I have in my head (maybe > because it really *is* a dead end), I feel that there's something to be > found in that blend of electronica and pop... > > Anyways, thanks for listening! > Maybe I should've expressed myself better. I ment theme for lyrics (I'm not very christmassy guy :)). I like both vocals and vocal melody very much. Don't get rid of it :) Igor From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 6 11:42:38 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:42:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFCCABE.5080808@hyperglitch.com> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> <4CFCBEF1.5040500@hyperglitch.com> <4CFCC77A.3020801@email.dk> <4CFCCABE.5080808@hyperglitch.com> Message-ID: Oh marvellous: Another chap, who's not into christmas! Yay! :-) Sorry just had to say that. :-) Atte I find that one of the very beautiful things about your christmas songs: I can't understand Danish, so I can just go with the music, which I mostly do like a lot. And I don't think it's a dead end. Well maybe I am a bit oldfashioned. But it's still done in current pop culture, the mixture of electronica and pop. Warm regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 6 11:48:07 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:48:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: Hello! Sorry for getting this a bit of track for a moment... About pianoseq and sampled pianos. I think it's a question of religion. I've heard one or two people, say, that pianoseqs instruments are so marvellous and alive. I listened to a few tracks and it doesn't sound bad. But it isn't to my taste. Just to compare, I've found the Yamaha 7CG on sampletekk. I use the JR., the smaller one here. Admittedly it's still huge. but I set there and found myself back at school, sitting at the grandpiano. Not ours, which was a Steinway, but the one of the other schools. Or at university in one of the practise rooms. I don't know, it feels so real. Probably due to a bit of ambience just perceiveable minutelyround the edges. It does well for me for solo and integrating in a song. It's only one sound. But I think when considering to get one, it's always worth to see/hear different angles. Distractingly yours Julien P.S.: If someone else likes to get into this discussion, we should open a new thread, not to confuse the poor rhodes enthusiasts. :-) -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 6 11:52:32 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:52:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFCCE80.5080604@autostatic.com> On 12/06/2010 12:17 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Jeremy! > There shouldn't be issues up/downsampling. At least I never > exprerienced them with fluidsynth. Hello Julien, Ok, so it's either the soundfont, my ears or my own instruments. I've tried the Learjeff Rhodes soundfont with a couple of my recordings of me and my acoustic guitar and of my band but I couldn't fit in the Rhodes, it just wrung with the other instruments. I've also tried it with some other samples and it doesn't really feel harmonious either: http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/theinfiniterepeat-sleepylittlelou-mixdown.ogg You can try swami to edit the > soundfont. It should be satisfactory to change tuning. They did a lot of > work on fluidsynth recently, I'm not sure how much effort they put into > swami, which is somehow loosely related to it. > Kind regards > Julien Thanks for the tip but I have no experience with Swami and my bet is that editing a whole 75Mb soundfont could be quite tedious. Best, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 6 11:58:39 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:58:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <4CFCCFEF.7070701@autostatic.com> On 12/06/2010 12:32 PM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > If you're curious about the Pianoteq Rhodes emulation (or any other part > of Pianoteq), just head to the website and grab the demo: > > http://www.pianoteq.com/try > > It's a small (25MB or so) download, and it's very easy to get going. > Unless you have a total aversion to proprietary software, I think you > owe it to yourself to check it out. > Hello Leigh, I'll check it out. No total aversion to proprietary software here. > FWIW, I haven't purchased the Rhodes/Wurlitzer add-on yet, but I've > played with it a little and it sounded great to me. I haven't had a need > for a Rhodes sound yet, but when I do, it'll almost certainly be the one > I go for. > I totally adore the Rhodes sound and I would love to be able to use it in my own tracks. So I think it's getting time to check the Sampletekk and Pianoteq options. Or buy a real Rhodes. But then I'll have to win the lottery first. Best, Jeremy From atte at email.dk Mon Dec 6 12:01:07 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:01:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFCCABE.5080808@hyperglitch.com> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> <4CFCBEF1.5040500@hyperglitch.com> <4CFCC77A.3020801@email.dk> <4CFCCABE.5080808@hyperglitch.com> Message-ID: <4CFCD083.7010102@email.dk> On 2010-12-06 12:36, Igor Brkic wrote: > Maybe I should've expressed myself better. I ment theme for lyrics (I'm > not very christmassy guy :)). Ah, I see. With kids and snow and a long vacation, I just gotta love christmas, sorry :-) > I like both vocals and vocal melody very > much. Don't get rid of it :) Ok, thanks! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From fons at kokkinizita.net Mon Dec 6 12:09:42 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:09:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> References: <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101206120942.GA4103@zita2> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:56:01PM +1000, M Watts wrote: > I still call `!' `pling'... I'm still missing the extremely handy RiscOS feature that right-click on a menu allowed to make a selection without closing the menu. Such a thing in GTK would have me saved hours of re-opening nested menus in Ardour. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 12:13:07 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:13:07 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: Also, albums Radiogram: http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/Radiogram.zip And Houseman "Tranquility" http://www.louigiverona.ru/files/Houseman_Tranquility.zip -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 6 12:19:11 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 07:19:11 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello! > ?Sorry for getting this a bit of track for a moment... About pianoseq and > sampled pianos. > ?I think it's a question of religion. I've heard one or two people, say, > that pianoseqs instruments are so marvellous and alive. I listened to a few > tracks and it doesn't sound bad. But it isn't to my taste. Just to compare, > I've found the Yamaha 7CG on sampletekk. I use the JR., the smaller one > here. Admittedly it's still huge. but I set there and found myself back at > school, sitting at the grandpiano. Not ours, which was a Steinway, but the > one of the other schools. Or at university in one of the practise rooms. I > don't know, it feels so real. Probably due to a bit of ambience just > perceiveable minutelyround the edges. It does well for me for solo and > integrating in a song. It's only one sound. No. That's a fundamental misconception about the Pianoteq piano synth engine. Its a physically modelled piano and mic and reverb setup, which means that you can change an awful lot of parameters that are actually associated with a physical piano: hammer hardness, mic position, sympathetic resonance, string tension, tuning and more. The notion that Pianoteq's piano has "a sound" is fundamentally wrong, although it may be true that the internals of their model do make certain possibilities unachievable. It is not sample-based instrument, and so cannot be judged by "listening to a few tracks". What you heard wer some specific settings that someone chose to use. Unlike a sample-based piano, Pianoteq can do a job of being a Bosendorfer OR a Steinway, with a wrecked sound box or a very lively one. etc. etc. etc. From lsd at wootangent.net Mon Dec 6 12:24:26 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:24:26 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Piano sounds (was: Re: Rhodes for LinuxSampler?) In-Reply-To: References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <1291638266.12312.82.camel@ruiner> On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 12:48 +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello! > Sorry for getting this a bit of track for a moment... About pianoseq and > sampled pianos. > I think it's a question of religion. I've heard one or two people, say, that > pianoseqs instruments are so marvellous and alive. I listened to a few tracks > and it doesn't sound bad. But it isn't to my taste. Just to compare, I've > found the Yamaha 7CG on sampletekk. I use the JR., the smaller one here. > Admittedly it's still huge. but I set there and found myself back at school, > sitting at the grandpiano. Not ours, which was a Steinway, but the one of the > other schools. Or at university in one of the practise rooms. I don't know, it > feels so real. Probably due to a bit of ambience just perceiveable > minutelyround the edges. It does well for me for solo and integrating in a > song. It's only one sound. But I think when considering to get one, it's > always worth to see/hear different angles. It's definitely interesting to hear everyone's thoughts on the different options out there. Of course, there'll never be one "best" way to make piano sounds under Linux, but that seems perfectly normal in the world of music -- just try asking a bunch of guitarists which the "best" guitar is :) I do think it's hard to judge Pianoteq just by listening to it -- I'm sure it doesn't sound quite as good as some of the very best sampled libraries, but it really does seem to spring to life under your fingers. It's definitely a lot of fun to use, and it does give you a great range of piano sounds for the money. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to try any of Sampletekk's libraries; it's a shame that's it's really impossible to "try before you buy" with sample libraries. My experience with large piano sample libraries comes from the free instruments that LinuxSampler can run: the Maestro Grand from the LinuxSampler site, the Sonart Yamaha C7 (which sadly no longer seems to be available), and of course the Salamander. They all sound great, but they all lack that "feel" that I find Pianoteq has when I play it. I'm always after more options, though, so if Sampletekk does have a sale coming up I might just have to grab the Jr version of their grands :) Thanks Leigh > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 6 12:33:13 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:33:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: <4CFCCE80.5080604@autostatic.com> References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> <4CFCCE80.5080604@autostatic.com> Message-ID: Hello Jeremy! If you only need to retune the soundfont, it might not be that hard. Depending on the way the instrument is detund. If it's just a little to high/low completely, I don't know, you might even do it with fluidsynth. I'm not sure if it has fine tuning. Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Dec 6 12:34:42 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 04:34:42 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Banksters - Dubby Dubstep Message-ID: <6dac1a3f2f5aa9b1da24124d99adcd9a.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Hi, Just uploaded this new track. It's kind of a dub/dubstep blend. With a bit of tech and some skanking riddims in the mix. http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-06.flac http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-06.ogg It's not "perfect" but I'm not sure how much more time I can spend on it so thought it would be good to get it out now while it is fresh. The ogg was normalised by ardour3 (default settings). I think the overall levels on both versions are a bit quiet in general. Recorded with hydrogen (default 303 kit), ams (basslines/fx) and ardour3. Uses the Calf Vintage delay for the delay lines. This one is not as experimental as some of my other work so maybe a bit more accessible. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 6 12:38:10 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:38:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Rhodes for LinuxSampler? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFCC529.6090307@autostatic.com> <1291635149.12312.64.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: Hello Paul! OK, clarification then: All the sounds, that I've heard so far from pianoseq, didn't completely convince me. At least, they were not to my taste. That wasn't completely about the sounds I heard, but about the some characteristics of the PM I suppose. So the synthesis itself. Maybe one can tweak it even further, so that oddness disappears. But I haven't heard that yet. :-) Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 6 13:44:24 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:44:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: Hi Louigi! I do like your tribute to Scooter. Only one thing missing: Can't you shout a bit over it here and there. I'm sure it will be easy to think of some nonsense to shout. :-) Otherwise lovely tune, takes me back to the good/bad old 90s. :-) Warm regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 14:13:45 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:13:45 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Call for submissions: Music made with Linux - Best of 2010 In-Reply-To: References: <6795502c72bbe19595c8280953648ce3.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <871v5wqmhu.fsf@e901.home> <20101205204344.2f0c06ab@debian> <871v5v1ldc.fsf@e901.home> Message-ID: Haha! Yeah, shouting could be cool, I do have some tunes in that style with shouting actually, only not done with Linux Audio. In this case I am not sure I want to work more on that tune anymore, but I do understand how shout outs would work greatly here ) -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Mon Dec 6 15:28:27 2010 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:28:27 -0500 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101206152827.GE4633@jd-colo.catpro> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 09:47:41PM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: > AMD seems to be more opensource friendly? In what way? Both companies seem to be pretty open source friendly, and both have failings (ATI in seeming to prefer their closed source fglrx drivers, and Intel in using PowerVR graphics cores in their GMA500 and GMA600 chipsets). From gabrbedd at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 15:53:26 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:53:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <20101206152827.GE4633@jd-colo.catpro> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4CFBFA6D.3040203@gmail.com> <20101206152827.GE4633@jd-colo.catpro> Message-ID: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 09:47:41PM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> AMD seems to be more opensource friendly? I disagree. While AMD has a good track record with free software... so does Intel: 1. Nearly all of their wireless drivers are free, and have been for a long time. (..with small arguments about the firmware...) They are also developed in a fairly open manner. 2. Their graphics drivers are free, especially the newer ones... and they're developed in a fairly open manner. 3. Nearly all of their compilers and developer tools run on Linux. 4. They (along with Nokia) are bank-rolling the MeeGo project. It is also being developed in an open manner with an emphasis on getting free code into upstream. -gabriel From hollunder at lavabit.com Mon Dec 6 16:47:56 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:47:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <20101206120942.GA4103@zita2> References: <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> <20101206120942.GA4103@zita2> Message-ID: <1291653612-sup-7438@eris> Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-12-06 13:09:42 +0100: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:56:01PM +1000, M Watts wrote: > > > I still call `!' `pling'... > > I'm still missing the extremely handy RiscOS feature that right-click > on a menu allowed to make a selection without closing the menu. Such > a thing in GTK would have me saved hours of re-opening nested menus > in Ardour. > > Ciao, I'm wishing for that as well all the time. I wonder who came up with the idea that there's only ever one thing you want to do in a menu. Didn't know anyone was clever enough to implement something as complex as "don't close menu if right-clicked" or "don't close if modifier is pressed when menu-item is clicked". It's one of those obvious user interface doh's. From atte at email.dk Mon Dec 6 17:37:02 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:37:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question Message-ID: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> Hi A friend of mine is looking for an usb audio interface. It must work without hassle under linux, and have an (at least decent) 48V input, and at least one other microphone input (48V on this input would be nice, but not necessary). 2 channel output would be enough. If the price permits, more inputs (mainly for michrophone) would be great, but the price is important. What should I recommend him? My first idea was an edirol, but looking over two large web-shops, I didn't see a single edirol usb-interface! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From harryhaaren at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 17:50:28 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:50:28 +0000 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Message-ID: Hey, Nice relaxed song.. :-) I dont understand danish either, but for one I like listening to vocals you cant understand! It takes the concent of the song away and allows you to hear the individual vocal sounds / phonems, rathen than what they "mean" in some language... Keeps the brain guessing whats going on! Cheers for the upload.. -Harry On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > 2nd sunday of advent, and I made a new version (new melody and music) of > the danish christmas carol "Blomstre som en roseng?rd". > > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/blomstre-som-en-roseng-rd > http://atte.dk/download/blomstre_som_en_rosengaard.mp3 > > Feedback welcome, although I realize this is not most peoples bag :-) > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jostein at vait.se Mon Dec 6 18:27:56 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:27:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> Message-ID: <201012061927.56809.jostein@vait.se> m?ndag 06 december 2010 18.37.02 skrev Atte Andr? Jensen: > Hi > > A friend of mine is looking for an usb audio interface. It must work > without hassle under linux, and have an (at least decent) 48V input, and > at least one other microphone input (48V on this input would be nice, > but not necessary). 2 channel output would be enough. If the price > permits, more inputs (mainly for michrophone) would be great, but the > price is important. > > What should I recommend him? My first idea was an edirol, but looking > over two large web-shops, I didn't see a single edirol usb-interface! An old used M-Audio Mobilepre USB MIGHT seem to have the right price and Performance ratio your friend asks for. It have 2 in (line and/or XLR) and 2 out adn more. The XLRs have 48V phantom power and the box have it's power from the USB cable I have one self that I use with an old LapTop and it works very well (at least last time I tested it) without xruns. More info: http://acorn- designs.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=388 Jostein From joelz at pobox.com Mon Dec 6 19:32:54 2010 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:32:54 -1000 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <4CFC1BDB.7000307@gareus.org> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20101205230012.GB3376@sprite> <4CFC1BDB.7000307@gareus.org> Message-ID: <20101206193254.GA24211@sprite> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:10:19AM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/06/2010 12:00 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > > I now have a Thinkpad 410 with i5-M560 that is (mostly) > > Linux-friendly, runs cool and is power thrifty. (...) > > * Beeps are still audible with the alsamixer beep control muted. :-( > > maybe you already knew but here's a "workaround" for X: > xset b off The workaround doesn't appear to work. In firefox, typing a non-existing text into the page search field gives a beep. I think I'll take this up with Lenovo. -- Joel Roth From robin at gareus.org Mon Dec 6 19:37:33 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:37:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <20101206193254.GA24211@sprite> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20101205230012.GB3376@sprite> <4CFC1BDB.7000307@gareus.org> <20101206193254.GA24211@sprite> Message-ID: <4CFD3B7D.1010504@gareus.org> On 12/06/2010 08:32 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:10:19AM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: >> On 12/06/2010 12:00 AM, Joel Roth wrote: >>> I now have a Thinkpad 410 with i5-M560 that is (mostly) >>> Linux-friendly, runs cool and is power thrifty. > (...) >>> * Beeps are still audible with the alsamixer beep control muted. :-( >> >> maybe you already knew but here's a "workaround" for X: >> xset b off > > The workaround doesn't appear to work. > > In firefox, typing a non-existing text into the page search > field gives a beep. Well it works, here but it's an older model (X60s) running Debian/testing+sid with xorg. > I think I'll take this up with Lenovo. better search google first: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_disable_the_pc_speaker_%28beep!%29 best, robin From jeremy at autostatic.com Mon Dec 6 19:41:24 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:41:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> On 12/06/2010 06:37 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > My first idea was an edirol, but looking over two large web-shops, I > didn't see a single edirol usb-interface! Hello Atte, That's because they've been rebranded to either 'Cakewalk by Roland' or just Roland. The UA-25EX might still be a viable candidate: http://www.roland.com/products/en/UA-25EX/ Best, Jeremy From joelz at pobox.com Mon Dec 6 20:04:13 2010 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:04:13 -1000 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <4CFD3B7D.1010504@gareus.org> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20101205230012.GB3376@sprite> <4CFC1BDB.7000307@gareus.org> <20101206193254.GA24211@sprite> <4CFD3B7D.1010504@gareus.org> Message-ID: <20101206200413.GA24380@sprite> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:37:33PM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/06/2010 08:32 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:10:19AM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > >> On 12/06/2010 12:00 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > >>> I now have a Thinkpad 410 with i5-M560 that is (mostly) > >>> Linux-friendly, runs cool and is power thrifty. > > (...) > >>> * Beeps are still audible with the alsamixer beep control muted. :-( > >> > >> maybe you already knew but here's a "workaround" for X: > >> xset b off > > > > The workaround doesn't appear to work. > > > > In firefox, typing a non-existing text into the page search > > field gives a beep. > > Well it works, here but it's an older model (X60s) running > Debian/testing+sid with xorg. > > > I think I'll take this up with Lenovo. > > better search google first: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_disable_the_pc_speaker_%28beep!%29 Thanks, it works. I thought I'd been all over that site! Joel > best, > robin -- Joel Roth From fons at kokkinizita.net Mon Dec 6 21:00:48 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:00:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <1291653612-sup-7438@eris> References: <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> <20101206120942.GA4103@zita2> <1291653612-sup-7438@eris> Message-ID: <20101206210048.GB4078@zita2> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 05:47:56PM +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-12-06 13:09:42 +0100: > > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:56:01PM +1000, M Watts wrote: > > > > > I still call `!' `pling'... > > > > I'm still missing the extremely handy RiscOS feature that right-click > > on a menu allowed to make a selection without closing the menu. Such > > a thing in GTK would have me saved hours of re-opening nested menus > > in Ardour. > > > > Ciao, > > I'm wishing for that as well all the time. I wonder who came up with the > idea that there's only ever one thing you want to do in a menu. Didn't > know anyone was clever enough to implement something as complex as > "don't close menu if right-clicked" or "don't close if modifier is > pressed when menu-item is clicked". Could be a 'religiuous' aka 'UI standards' thing: 'You Shall Not Abuse a Menu to Be a Dialog' (unless you don't mind your offspring to be cursed for the next 10 generations). Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From atte at email.dk Mon Dec 6 21:21:57 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:21:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFD53F5.3030602@email.dk> On 2010-12-06 18:50, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > Hey, > > Nice relaxed song.. :-) Thanks! > I dont understand danish either, but for one I like listening to vocals > you cant understand! It takes the concent of the > song away and allows you to hear the individual vocal sounds / phonems, > rathen than what they "mean" in some language... > Keeps the brain guessing whats going on! :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at email.dk Mon Dec 6 21:42:46 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:42:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> On 2010-12-06 20:41, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > That's because they've been rebranded to either 'Cakewalk by Roland' or > just Roland. The UA-25EX might still be a viable candidate: > http://www.roland.com/products/en/UA-25EX/ That makes sense. I'll recommend that one, seems to fit the bill exactly. Thanks! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 6 22:50:25 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:50:25 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <20101206210048.GB4078@zita2> References: <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> <20101206120942.GA4103@zita2> <1291653612-sup-7438@eris> <20101206210048.GB4078@zita2> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM, wrote: > Could be a 'religiuous' aka 'UI standards' thing: 'You Shall > Not Abuse a Menu to Be a Dialog' (unless you don't mind your > offspring to be cursed for the next 10 generations). i opened the debate on gtk-devel, and that was one perspective, though from a not particularly core or central GTK developer. a couple of other people were more supportive of the idea. --p From fons at kokkinizita.net Mon Dec 6 23:12:36 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:12:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: References: <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> <20101206120942.GA4103@zita2> <1291653612-sup-7438@eris> <20101206210048.GB4078@zita2> Message-ID: <20101206231236.GF4078@zita2> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 05:50:25PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM, wrote: > > Could be a 'religiuous' aka 'UI standards' thing: 'You Shall > > Not Abuse a Menu to Be a Dialog' (unless you don't mind your > > offspring to be cursed for the next 10 generations). > > i opened the debate on gtk-devel, and that was one perspective, surprise, surprise... > though > from a not particularly core or central GTK developer. > a couple of other people were more supportive of the idea. To me it looks like an effective way to avoid RSI... The alternative (for Ardour) would be to recode some of the menus as dialogs. In RiscOS you could use a dialog box as a submenu as well - it would just open at the right place and if you didn't click in it go away when moving out, in the same way as a submenu would. So with one click and few gestures you could have access to any number of dialogs. Very productive. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From fons at kokkinizita.net Mon Dec 6 23:45:01 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:45:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> References: <4CF75B8F.6040403@linuxuse.de> <1291283772-sup-1227@eris> <4CF78694.9010107@linuxuse.de> <20101202141748.43cedc51@debian> <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101206234501.GH4078@zita2> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:56:01PM +1000, M Watts wrote: > I still call `!' `pling'... Most probably you're not a Pd user :-) -- FA bang ! bang ! bang ! From janina at rednote.net Tue Dec 7 00:15:41 2010 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:15:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] New processor purchase, AMD In-Reply-To: <20101206193254.GA24211@sprite> References: <4CFBE9A9.7000603@gmail.com> <442664.74581.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20101205230012.GB3376@sprite> <4CFC1BDB.7000307@gareus.org> <20101206193254.GA24211@sprite> Message-ID: <20101207001541.GA3309@sonata.rednote.net> Joel Roth writes: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:10:19AM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > > On 12/06/2010 12:00 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > > > I now have a Thinkpad 410 with i5-M560 that is (mostly) > > > Linux-friendly, runs cool and is power thrifty. > (...) > > > * Beeps are still audible with the alsamixer beep control muted. :-( > > One person's poision may be another's food. I wish I could get beeps working on my X61S. Alas, no joy. Janina > > maybe you already knew but here's a "workaround" for X: > > xset b off > > The workaround doesn't appear to work. > > In firefox, typing a non-existing text into the page search > field gives a beep. > > I think I'll take this up with Lenovo. > > > -- > Joel Roth > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina at asterisk.rednote.net Chair, Open Accessibility janina at a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org Chair, Protocols & Formats Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) From ico at vt.edu Tue Dec 7 06:29:36 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:29:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Release candidate 6 of L2Ork iteration of pd-extended now available In-Reply-To: <8B6A15E2A0A8470488AB5CBD7CB9FBD1@supersecretpear> References: <8B6A15E2A0A8470488AB5CBD7CB9FBD1@supersecretpear> Message-ID: <1291703376.14180.27.camel@monsoon> Fixes include: *colored selection rectangle the same color as default select color *fixed bug where gop-ed abstractions with hidden text should not resize when activated to accommodate text that is not there to begin with *fixed segfault when trying to disconnect (NB: core Pd developers may want to check this one out as it may affect core Pd as well--it is very sporadic and difficult to reproduce, however--I finally caught it by using Pd via gdb for an extended period of time working on patches). FWIW, this may be also specific to magicGlass feature. m_obj.c line 527 if (!(oc = o->o_connections)) return; change to: if (!o || !(oc = o->o_connections)) return; *added ignore attempts at obj_connect that involve same object (happened sometimes when using undo/redo due to the ugly workaround for the tk_canvas unique id bug) http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Cheers! Ico From vemuri.muralikrishna at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 11:38:28 2010 From: vemuri.muralikrishna at gmail.com (Murali K. Vemuri) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:38:28 +0900 Subject: [LAU] audio with WM8993 Message-ID: Hello there, I am freshman w.r.t Audio driver on Linux. I will start with explaining my HW and then my problem. My HW: I am working with OMAP3530 based custom board (not any standard EVM or Beagle). The closest thing I have the EVM kernel, So, I started off with the EVM kernel and started tweaking around. I have Wolfson Microelectronics WM8993 Audio Codec (SOC) for sound. Now, the WM8993 is also connected to the OMAP I2C-3 for the purpose of volume control / mute etc. the WM8993 data RX is connected to GPIO119 of OMAP. Problem: 1. When I tried to bring up the driver for this SOC, I successfully registered this device with I2C bus. But, I am not able to register this with ALSA. 2. Is it mandatory to register this device with ALSA to receive the Audio? or is there any alternative method to receive the audio? Any pointers will be helpful Murali -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Dec 7 20:48:15 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 21:48:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFE9D8F.7040809@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/05/2010 10:16 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > 2nd sunday of advent, and I made a new version (new melody and music) of > the danish christmas carol "Blomstre som en roseng?rd". > > http://modlys.bandcamp.com/track/blomstre-som-en-roseng-rd > http://atte.dk/download/blomstre_som_en_rosengaard.mp3 > > Feedback welcome, although I realize this is not most peoples bag :-) > love it! if there is no way to evade christmas, lets at least get rid of the bells and reindeer :) in particular, i like the very spacious ambience on top of a very present and solid mix. add another sub-octave to the bass starting 3:40, and it'll be perfect bliss :) thanks for sharing, j?rn From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 7 20:48:41 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:48:41 -0800 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> Message-ID: <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:42:46PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-06 20:41, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > >> That's because they've been rebranded to either 'Cakewalk by Roland' or >> just Roland. The UA-25EX might still be a viable candidate: >> http://www.roland.com/products/en/UA-25EX/ > > That makes sense. I'll recommend that one, seems to fit the bill > exactly. Thanks! > Is it class-compliant? Will it work with Linux? ISTR some posts by someone who had to do some serious hacking to try to get an Edirol USB thing working, but I don't remember which model exactly. -ken From atte at email.dk Tue Dec 7 21:37:06 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:37:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?om_en_roseng=E5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFE9D8F.7040809@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> <4CFE9D8F.7040809@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <4CFEA902.90609@email.dk> On 2010-12-07 21:48, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > love it! if there is no way to evade christmas, lets at least get rid > of the bells and reindeer :) > > in particular, i like the very spacious ambience on top of a very > present and solid mix. Thanks! > add another sub-octave to the bass starting 3:40, and it'll be > perfect bliss :) Sounds like a plan. Unfortunately my main mixing environment (the one with sub woofer) just died, so I'm not gonna ruin everything with guesswork ATM... > thanks for sharing, Thanks for listening! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at email.dk Tue Dec 7 21:42:22 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:42:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4CFEAA3E.4040704@email.dk> On 2010-12-07 21:48, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:42:46PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> On 2010-12-06 20:41, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> >>> That's because they've been rebranded to either 'Cakewalk by >>> Roland' or just Roland. The UA-25EX might still be a viable >>> candidate: http://www.roland.com/products/en/UA-25EX/ >> >> That makes sense. I'll recommend that one, seems to fit the bill >> exactly. Thanks! >> > > Is it class-compliant? Will it work with Linux? ISTR some posts by > someone who had to do some serious hacking to try to get an Edirol > USB thing working, but I don't remember which model exactly. Hmmm. It was actually the friends wife, who asked for suggestions for a christmas present. Now she reported back that it was (way) to pricey :-( Other ideas with a lower pricetag? -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 7 22:08:29 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:08:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] download from 123video.nl on the commandline Message-ID: Hello everyone! Does anyone have an idea how to download from 123video.nl? I tried youtube-dl already, I think it won't work. If anyone knows a hack or just how to construct the video URL from the source code, I'd be happy. I've seen they do it with an swf-built-in player, whixch is ugly! :-) Kind regards and ta Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From frankpirrone at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 22:20:41 2010 From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:20:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] download from 123video.nl on the commandline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFEB339.8080204@gmail.com> Julien, I just checked Firefox with the Download Helper extension and it works fine. Frank On 12/07/2010 05:08 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello everyone! > Does anyone have an idea how to download from 123video.nl? I tried > youtube-dl already, I think it won't work. If anyone knows a hack or > just how to construct the video URL from the source code, I'd be > happy. I've seen they do it with an swf-built-in player, whixch is > ugly! :-) > Kind regards and ta > Julien > From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 7 22:24:59 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:24:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] download from 123video.nl on the commandline In-Reply-To: <4CFEB339.8080204@gmail.com> References: <4CFEB339.8080204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Fank! Would you be so kind to download something for me then. :-) I can't. I haven't Orca installed and I think my current computer really wouldn't stick with it. :-) Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From capoeirista at arcor.de Tue Dec 7 23:20:39 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:20:39 -0200 Subject: [LAU] download from 123video.nl on the commandline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012072120.39858.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em ter?a-feira 07 dezembro 2010, ?s 20:08:29, Julien Claassen escreveu: > how > to construct the video URL from the source code my topic here might help (don't know i I understood correct though what you need): http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2925 From axeldenstore at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 23:34:08 2010 From: axeldenstore at gmail.com (alexander) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:34:08 +0200 Subject: [LAU] download from 123video.nl on the commandline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFEC470.2090303@gmail.com> On 12/08/2010 12:08 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello everyone! > Does anyone have an idea how to download from 123video.nl? I tried > youtube-dl already, I think it won't work. If anyone knows a hack or > just how to construct the video URL from the source code, I'd be > happy. I've seen they do it with an swf-built-in player, whixch is > ugly! :-) > Kind regards and ta > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Well, the easiest way is to wait until the video is 100% loaded, then just go to your /tmp folder and copy the flashvideo file that's created there.. vlc plays them without hesitance.. It will most likely have a rather obscure name so if you're loading multiple videos at once you need to check so you get the right one. This little trick wont work with video sites that doesn't buffer whole videos at once tho.. About that, what is this behavior called btw? Streaming video? yes, but it comes in two different kinds. From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 7 23:36:36 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:36:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] download from 123video.nl on the commandline In-Reply-To: <4CFEC470.2090303@gmail.com> References: <4CFEC470.2090303@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Alexander and everyone else! First of all, I got my video and I'm happily dancing along. :-) Alexander: I can't start the video, otherwise, I wouldn't be asking. I'm blind and don't/can't use the GUI. Text based browsers can't play swf. At least I didn't find anything to that effect. Most of .swf-files is very graphical, so probably they see no point in it. Besides, pure CLI-chaps like me are a rarety in the scheme of things. :-) Thanks to you all. And Fabio: I will read your topic and see, if it helps me along for future adventures! Warm regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 8 06:37:20 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:37:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> <4CFEAA3E.4040704@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFF27A0.3080702@email.dk> On 2010-12-07 23:07, Bob van der Poel wrote: > Don't know about your side of the pond ... but Sweetwater has these > for US$149. Don't think you'll do much better for a quality product. I know, but she's not really into quality A/D-converts and stuff, she merely looks at the price tag :-( -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 8 06:45:22 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:45:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFEAA3E.4040704@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> <4CFEAA3E.4040704@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFF2982.902@email.dk> On 2010-12-07 22:42, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hmmm. It was actually the friends wife, who asked for suggestions for a > christmas present. Now she reported back that it was (way) to pricey :-( > Other ideas with a lower pricetag? How about these: Yamaha/Steinberg CI1 (is that working under linux?) Yamaha Audiogram 3 (google suggests it's working under linux) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Dec 8 09:11:23 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:11:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4CFF4BBB.6070203@autostatic.com> On 12/07/2010 09:48 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > Is it class-compliant? Will it work with Linux? ISTR some posts by someone who had to do some serious hacking to try to get an Edirol USB thing working, but I don't remember which model exactly. > > -ken The UA-25EX is a class-compliant USB1.1 device and works with Linux. Best, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Dec 8 09:24:59 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:24:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFF2982.902@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> <4CFEAA3E.4040704@email.dk> <4CFF2982.902@email.dk> Message-ID: <4CFF4EEB.6000806@autostatic.com> On 12/08/2010 07:45 AM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Yamaha/Steinberg CI1 (is that working under linux?) From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 8 10:05:46 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:05:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFF4EEB.6000806@autostatic.com> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> <4CFEAA3E.4040704@email.dk> <4CFF2982.902@email.dk> <4CFF4EEB.6000806@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFF587A.6090302@email.dk> On 2010-12-08 10:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > So both devices are most probably class-compliant USB1.1 devices that > should work out of the box. Thanks alot for digging! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Wed Dec 8 15:09:49 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:09:49 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Banksters - Dubby Dubstep In-Reply-To: <6dac1a3f2f5aa9b1da24124d99adcd9a.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <6dac1a3f2f5aa9b1da24124d99adcd9a.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <4CFF9FBD.7070204@quirq.ukfsn.org> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > Just uploaded this new track. It's kind of a dub/dubstep blend. With a bit > of tech and some skanking riddims in the mix. > > http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-06.flac > http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-06.ogg > > It's not "perfect" but I'm not sure how much more time I can spend on it > so thought it would be good to get it out now while it is fresh. > > The ogg was normalised by ardour3 (default settings). I think the overall > levels on both versions are a bit quiet in general. > > Recorded with hydrogen (default 303 kit), ams (basslines/fx) and ardour3. > Uses the Calf Vintage delay for the delay lines. > > This one is not as experimental as some of my other work so maybe a bit > more accessible. > > > > Cheers. > > Hi Patrick I don't know why, but I listened to your piece. Assuming it is representative to some degree of those genres and electronic music in general, it only confirmed what I already know, that I don't like these genres and can find nothing to appreciate in them. The piece was too repetitive and simplistic to hold my attention and interest. I also found what I perceived to be the intended message of the words, to be a cliched gross oversimplification that has become very tiresome and grating in the last few years, but that subject is way, way OT for this list. But that's not really important as the focus doesn't seem to be on the vocals anyway. The mix sounded okay to me, but as already mentioned, I'm really not at all qualified to offer any meaningful comment on it as it is far removed from what I usually listen to. However, it was a little more accessible than previous work of yours that I've heard. It is rather quiet, as you suggest, with very little energy and punch. I suppose this is the problem -- Linux is fairly niche in music-making circles and then genres of music can be pretty small niches as well, so the audience is even smaller still. I'm a regular on the KVR Audio forums (www.kvraudio.com) and whilst there's all sorts of music people put up there, there does seem to be a very strong following for all sorts of electronic music. Perhaps you'd find more of an audience and constructive criticism there (for the music at least, sadly certainly much less so for the Linux aspects). Thanks for sharing and sorry for not being able to offer any constructive criticism. And an off-topic aside: keep up the good work with your annual round-up of Linux-made music. I did release something earlier in the year but it was only a very short bit of a work-in-progress so isn't really worth bothering about. Cheers Q From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Wed Dec 8 15:24:56 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:24:56 +0000 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4CFFA348.9080208@quirq.ukfsn.org> Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > LS, > > For the moment I consider this track finished. Well, finished as in that > it sounds much like I want it to. When Qtractor 0.4.7 came out I decided > I had to let myself go concerning effects, especially now they can be > MIDI controlled which is just great. I set up a special FX automation > MIDI track and off I went. > The female vocals were done by my girlfriend. Just a few takes and she > was greatly unsatisfied but with some effects and some cutting up it > turned out quite ok. > Huge shout out to Will J Godfrey (aka Folderol) for his amazing > instrument bank, I used Warm Synth, Sharp Synth, Pizzicato Strings and > the great Wind and Surf for the swooossssshhh. Also big props for Cal > for the ever improving Yoshimi. And Rui of course. Qtractor just rocks. > Lastly, the FFADO folks. I'm now looking at my shiny and new Focusrite > Saffire Pro 40 that has been running happily for hours now at 4ms with > about 20+ tracks and about the same amount of effects. Yeah, I > encountered some occasional xruns, but basically that only happens when > I open stuff like LV2 gui's or change hefty instrument patches with > Yoshimi (which will be a thing of the past once the sqlite3 > implementation for the banks has been perfectioned). > I'll see if I can do a screencast of this track. Nothing is cooler than > seeing those slick Calf plugins do their stuff automatically :) > > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown20101204.ogg > > http://linux.autostatic.com/temp/The%20Infinite%20Repeat%20-%20Unaware%20of%20a%20Direction%20-%20Mixdown%2020101204.mp3 > > > And yes, I've learned so much in the making of this track. I've never > worked with compressors, gates, filters and eq's before and this track > was like a playground in which I could all test it out. > > Best, > > Jeremy Hi Jeremy Not the sort of music I normally listen to, but I enjoyed this. It's short and to the point, yet I like how it feels as though you've just tuned in for a brief period to something that never stops and is always on the move -- the title is perfect. Nice synth textures and I like the little details like the acoustic guitar, floating in and out. The mix is great; as others have said it's got a real 80s vibe to it. I think it would have been great to have made more of the female vocal, having it to the right of the lead vocal as well as at the left and perhaps also layering it up bit by bit so it became a bit more prominent for a short period. Thanks for sharing. Q From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 15:26:48 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:26:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in Message-ID: I have a DI box which has an XLR balanced output. I want to connect it to my cheapo sound card (SBLive) through the (stereo) line in. Is this possible? What would be the best way? Would a mono jack:XLR converter be OK? From gabrbedd at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 15:39:49 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:39:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: > I have a DI box which has an XLR balanced output. I want to connect it > to my cheapo sound card (SBLive) through the (stereo) line in. Is this > possible? What would be the best way? Would a mono jack:XLR converter > be OK? Are you wanting to convert to an unbalanced signal in hardware (a cheap balan/transformer/DI) or in software (DSP code to combine L and R to produce a mono stream) ?? -gabriel From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 15:43:34 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:43:34 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: > >> I have a DI box which has an XLR balanced output. I want to connect it >> to my cheapo sound card (SBLive) through the (stereo) line in. Is this >> possible? What would be the best way? Would a mono jack:XLR converter >> be OK? > > Are you wanting to convert to an unbalanced signal in hardware (a cheap > balan/transformer/DI) or in software (DSP code to combine L and R to produce > a mono stream) ?? > I guess in hardware? Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is a bass guitar unamplified). James From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 15:49:14 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:49:14 +0000 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_blomstre_som_en?= =?utf-8?q?_roseng=C3=A5rd?= In-Reply-To: <4CFEA902.90609@email.dk> References: <4CFC0114.8050605@email.dk> <4CFE9D8F.7040809@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4CFEA902.90609@email.dk> Message-ID: Very nice indeed! Congrats! Reminds me of "The Knife" but probably better :) "Reindeer" was previously my favorite Christmas song! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNXmJ1VC7bo James From gabrbedd at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 15:49:20 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:49:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: > I guess in hardware? > > Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp > before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is > a bass guitar unamplified). If you can, just skip the DI and plug the guitar straight into the sound card's line-in. -gabriel From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Dec 8 16:00:54 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:00:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] 100% Linux stuff: The Infinite Repeat - Unaware of a Direction In-Reply-To: <4CFFA348.9080208@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4CFB4E56.7010800@autostatic.com> <4CFFA348.9080208@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <4CFFABB6.3050606@autostatic.com> On 12/08/2010 04:24 PM, Q wrote: > Hi Jeremy > > Not the sort of music I normally listen to, but I enjoyed this. It's > short and to the point, yet I like how it feels as though you've just > tuned in for a brief period to something that never stops and is always > on the move -- the title is perfect. > > Nice synth textures and I like the little details like the acoustic > guitar, floating in and out. The mix is great; as others have said it's > got a real 80s vibe to it. > > I think it would have been great to have made more of the female vocal, > having it to the right of the lead vocal as well as at the left and > perhaps also layering it up bit by bit so it became a bit more prominent > for a short period. > > Thanks for sharing. > > Q Hello Q, thanks! I'm with you on the female vocals, working on making my girlfriend feel more confident when singing. When it comes to this particular song, I could've done a bit more about it yes. But songs like this are great to load up once in a while and start remixing. Best, Jeremy From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 16:01:40 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:01:40 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: > >> I guess in hardware? >> >> Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp >> before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is >> a bass guitar unamplified). > > If you can, just skip the DI and plug the guitar straight into the sound > card's line-in. I've tried that before, but (at least with an electric (non-bass)), the sound was rather woolly and lacking in treble - I though due to the mix of Hi-Z and line level input. James From gabrbedd at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 16:24:56 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:24:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: >>> I guess in hardware? >>> >>> Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp >>> before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is >>> a bass guitar unamplified). >> >> If you can, just skip the DI and plug the guitar straight into the sound >> card's line-in. > > I've tried that before, but (at least with an electric (non-bass)), > the sound was rather woolly and lacking in treble - I though due to > the mix of Hi-Z and line level input. Sounds like you want to use a pre-amp, then. AFAIK, this chain is effectively a NO-OP: guitar --> DI box --> XLR --> DI/Transformer --> line in ..except for distortion introduced by the DI's. So even if you get it set up -- you'll probably get the same results as plugging straight in. But, if you have a 2nd DI box or one of those $10 transformer things[1]... it's worth a try. -gabriel [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun#Audio From mike at linuxdsp.co.uk Wed Dec 8 17:00:34 2010 From: mike at linuxdsp.co.uk (linuxdsp) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:00:34 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFFB9B2.9010308@linuxdsp.co.uk> James Stone wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield > wrote: >> >> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: >> >>> I guess in hardware? >>> >>> Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp >>> before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is >>> a bass guitar unamplified). >> If you can, just skip the DI and plug the guitar straight into the sound >> card's line-in. > > I've tried that before, but (at least with an electric (non-bass)), > the sound was rather woolly and lacking in treble - I though due to > the mix of Hi-Z and line level input. > > James > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > If you are connecting a guitar to a soundcard input you will almost certainly need some kind of DI box to provide the necessary high impedance input for the guitar otherwise you will get a dull "woolly" sound - as you describe. A balanced line has three conductors instead of the usual two. These are the screen, and the two signal wires. The signal wires carry the audio signal, but in opposite polarity. In a conventional balanced input stage, the two signal inputs are subtracted from each other - and being of opposite polarity, the result is the original audio. However, the important advantage of this method is that any noise or interference induced on the wire(s) will be of the same polarity on both signal conductors (in theory) and so will be cancelled out (this is what common-mode rejection is all about). You can get a signal for your single-ended input to the soundcard between either signal phase and the screen. To avoid any phase inversions, connect the positive signal out from the DI box (XLR pin 2) to the signal in on your sound card input (Tip of the jack connector), and the screen (XLR pin 1 ) to the ground on the soundcard input (Body of the jack connector). This is not the ideal way to convert between balanced and unbalanced signals, but it will provide a working solution. There's some more info here: http://www.rane.com/note110.html As for whether the signal level will need more amplification, that depends on the DI box. If you can feed a line level mixer input, then probably not, but try it and see. Mike From jostein at vait.se Wed Dec 8 16:42:02 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:42:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012081742.02216.jostein@vait.se> onsdag 08 december 2010 16.26.48 skrev James Stone: > I have a DI box which has an XLR balanced output. I want to connect it > to my cheapo sound card (SBLive) through the (stereo) line in. Is this > possible? What would be the best way? Would a mono jack:XLR converter > be OK? If you are brave and feel lucky today: Try this from WP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_audio#Converters Jostein From capoeirista at arcor.de Wed Dec 8 17:42:48 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:42:48 -0200 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012081542.48761.capoeirista@arcor.de> I don't know why complicate this. just buy a cable with TRS on one and XLR on the other side. In Linux you will have the positive signal on one chanel and the negative on the other (don't rember now wich will be left and wich right). you can now ignore the negative chanel or even process both of them in software to get noise canceled. Fabio Em quarta-feira 08 dezembro 2010, ?s 13:26:48, James Stone escreveu: > I have a DI box which has an XLR balanced output. I want to connect it > to my cheapo sound card (SBLive) through the (stereo) line in. Is this > possible? What would be the best way? Would a mono jack:XLR converter > be OK? > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From capoeirista at arcor.de Wed Dec 8 17:47:13 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:47:13 -0200 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012081547.14008.capoeirista@arcor.de> there are XLR to TS cables to, wich only conect the positive line to the TS. Em quarta-feira 08 dezembro 2010, ?s 13:26:48, James Stone escreveu: > I have a DI box which has an XLR balanced output. I want to connect it > to my cheapo sound card (SBLive) through the (stereo) line in. Is this > possible? What would be the best way? Would a mono jack:XLR converter > be OK? > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Dec 8 18:09:20 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:09:20 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101208180920.5d832101@debian> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:01:40 +0000 James Stone wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: > > > >> I guess in hardware? > >> > >> Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp > >> before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is > >> a bass guitar unamplified). > > > > If you can, just skip the DI and plug the guitar straight into the sound > > card's line-in. > > I've tried that before, but (at least with an electric (non-bass)), > the sound was rather woolly and lacking in treble - I though due to > the mix of Hi-Z and line level input. > > James A guitar pickup sends out around 20 - 50 mV and wants to see between 470k and 1M. A sound card line input is typically abut 300mV and 10 - 47k so rather a mismatch! A DI box might not help much unless it specifically has a high impedance input and has around 20dB of gain. Sometimes you can cheat by putting a resistor (470k - 1M) in series with a microphone input, but it will tend to be rather noisy. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Dec 8 18:13:55 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:13:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux) In-Reply-To: <20101206231236.GF4078@zita2> References: <4CF7FB7A.2080606@yahoo.fr> <4CF7FDD3.5070203@gmail.com> <4CF8BCAB.4020404@gmail.com> <20101203102855.196b7999@debian> <4CFCC141.9030903@gmail.com> <20101206120942.GA4103@zita2> <1291653612-sup-7438@eris> <20101206210048.GB4078@zita2> <20101206231236.GF4078@zita2> Message-ID: <20101208181355.039e31b6@debian> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:12:36 +0100 fons at kokkinizita.net wrote: > The alternative (for Ardour) would be to recode some of the menus > as dialogs. In RiscOS you could use a dialog box as a submenu as > well - it would just open at the right place and if you didn't > click in it go away when moving out, in the same way as a submenu > would. So with one click and few gestures you could have access to > any number of dialogs. Very productive. > > Ciao, There are a lot of such wrinkles I miss, that RiscOs had :( Without a doubt the most productive GUI I've ever worked with. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From arnold at arnoldarts.de Wed Dec 8 18:13:56 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:13:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: <4CFFB9B2.9010308@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <4CFFB9B2.9010308@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <201012081914.01126.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Wednesday 08 December 2010 18:00:34 linuxdsp wrote: > James Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield > > > > wrote: > >> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: > >>> I guess in hardware? > >>> > >>> Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp > >>> before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is > >>> a bass guitar unamplified). > >> > >> If you can, just skip the DI and plug the guitar straight into the sound > >> card's line-in. > > > > I've tried that before, but (at least with an electric (non-bass)), > > the sound was rather woolly and lacking in treble - I though due to > > the mix of Hi-Z and line level input. > > If you are connecting a guitar to a soundcard input you will almost > certainly need some kind of DI box to provide the necessary high > impedance input for the guitar otherwise you will get a dull "woolly" > sound - as you describe. > > A balanced line has three conductors instead of the usual two. These > are the screen, and the two signal wires. The signal wires carry the > audio signal, but in opposite polarity. > > In a conventional balanced input stage, the two signal inputs are > subtracted from each other - and being of opposite polarity, the result > is the original audio. However, the important advantage of this method > is that any noise or interference induced on the wire(s) will be of the > same polarity on both signal conductors (in theory) and so will be > cancelled out (this is what common-mode rejection is all about). > > You can get a signal for your single-ended input to the soundcard > between either signal phase and the screen. To avoid any phase > inversions, connect the positive signal out from the DI box (XLR pin 2) > to the signal in on your sound card input (Tip of the jack connector), > and the screen (XLR pin 1 ) to the ground on the soundcard input (Body > of the jack connector). > > This is not the ideal way to convert between balanced and unbalanced > signals, but it will provide a working solution. There's some more info > here: > > http://www.rane.com/note110.html > > As for whether the signal level will need more amplification, that > depends on the DI box. If you can feed a line level mixer input, then > probably not, but try it and see. If the di-box output is transformer-based, the level and signal-quality will be the same regardless whether you connect it to a balanced input or an unbalanced one. The key is that normally the transformer would output a voltage-difference between hot and cold signal. if you connect cold to the ground of the receiver, the transformer will create the same voltage between your ground and hot signal. Even if the ground of the receiver is in fact at +60V potential it will create its audio signal with respect to that. This is the main reason to use transformer-based outputs in devices and di-boxes. Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From csanchezgs at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 18:17:21 2010 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:17:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFF587A.6090302@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4CFD3C64.1060208@autostatic.com> <4CFD58D6.4090505@email.dk> <20101207204841.GB25129@aieee.restivo.org> <4CFEAA3E.4040704@email.dk> <4CFF2982.902@email.dk> <4CFF4EEB.6000806@autostatic.com> <4CFF587A.6090302@email.dk> Message-ID: Hi Atte. I have an Edirol (Cakewalk/Roland) UA25EX and it i'm quite happy with it, on Linux, Musix 2.0 indeed. For the price I think it's one of the best choices. Just some rare behaviour when running it on 96k, I couldn't record. (You have to also know that you can't go full duplex at that rate: record or play). I tried to get some time to solve this and post it here and in Ardour or Alsa list, but dailly life got me busy again. My two cents. 2010/12/8, Atte Andr? Jensen : > On 2010-12-08 10:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > >> So both devices are most probably class-compliant USB1.1 devices that >> should work out of the box. > > Thanks alot for digging! > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From fons at kokkinizita.net Wed Dec 8 18:21:00 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:21:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: <20101208180920.5d832101@debian> References: <20101208180920.5d832101@debian> Message-ID: <20101208182100.GD4053@zita2> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 06:09:20PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > A guitar pickup sends out around 20 - 50 mV and wants to see between 470k and > 1M. A sound card line input is typically abut 300mV and 10 - 47k so rather a > mismatch! > > A DI box might not help much unless it specifically has a high impedance > input and has around 20dB of gain. DI boxes are supposed to have such high input impedance. 20 to 50 mv into a nominal -10dBm consumer type line input feeding a 24-bit converter could work fine without extra gain. You may need some extra 'digital gain' if the level of the instrument needs to be quite high in the mix. Ardour doesn't provide 'input gain', and its fader has only 6dB positive gain, but an amp or compressor plugin will do the trick. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From rennabh at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 18:23:46 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:23:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down Message-ID: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> is phasex's site down or is it only me? http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 8 18:30:38 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:30:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down In-Reply-To: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> References: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CFFCECE.5060201@email.dk> On 2010-12-08 19:23, Renato wrote: > is phasex's site down or is it only me? > > http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ Not working here, either... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From csanchezgs at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 18:45:11 2010 From: csanchezgs at gmail.com (Carlos sanchiavedraz) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:45:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Sampling rate and perceived audio quality [WAS]: Re: edirol fa101 on differant rate that 48k ? In-Reply-To: <4CEA3CF2.2000900@libero.it> References: <4CE29A05.60003@libero.it> <4CE50404.3080808@faberman.de> <20101118203730.GA4103@zita2> <4CE64F27.8080105@libero.it> <20101119181948.GA4082@zita2> <4CEA3CF2.2000900@libero.it> Message-ID: Thanks for that paper. I also like to know about papers like this for some kind of audio discussions. 2010/11/22, Lorenzo Sutton : > A. C. Censi wrote: >> There is a pdf copy available online, found thru google: >> http://c.wrzuta.pl/wo8536/848633c40022f8f4499160b0/0/jaes_v55_9_pg775.pdf >> >> Best >> >> A C Censi >> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 4:19 PM, wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:19:19AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >>> >>>> Do you have the reference for this paper? I can't seem to find that >>>> exact report through google. >>> This the reference in the AES library: >>> >>> >>> >>> Ciao, >>> > Great! Thanks to both for the pointers. > > Lorenzo >>> -- >>> FA >>> >>> There are three of them, and Alleline. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Carlos sanchiavedraz * Musix GNU+Linux http://www.musix.es From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Dec 8 19:18:44 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:18:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down In-Reply-To: <4CFFCECE.5060201@email.dk> References: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> <4CFFCECE.5060201@email.dk> Message-ID: <20101208191844.395c88f1@debian> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:30:38 +0100 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-08 19:23, Renato wrote: > > is phasex's site down or is it only me? > > > > http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ > > Not working here, either... > Even just http://www.sysex.net returns an instant connection failure :( -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 19:20:40 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:20:40 -0600 Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down In-Reply-To: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> References: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Renato wrote: > is phasex's site down or is it only me? > > http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ it's been down for some time, but I'm using this version: https://github.com/disabled/phasex-dev -- Josh Lawrence "Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be not prejudiced against names unknown to you." ~Robert Schumann From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Dec 8 19:29:09 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:29:09 +0000 Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down In-Reply-To: References: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101208192909.5c63d8a9@debian> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:20:40 -0600 Josh Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Renato wrote: > > is phasex's site down or is it only me? > > > > http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ > > it's been down for some time, but I'm using this version: > > https://github.com/disabled/phasex-dev > Bookmarked - thanks -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From gabrbedd at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 19:33:29 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:33:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down In-Reply-To: <20101208191844.395c88f1@debian> References: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> <4CFFCECE.5060201@email.dk> <20101208191844.395c88f1@debian> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Folderol wrote: >> On 2010-12-08 19:23, Renato wrote: >> > is phasex's site down or is it only me? >> > >> > http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ >> >> Not working here, either... >> > Even just http://www.sysex.net returns an instant connection failure :( Looks like Mr. Weston was hosting it from his home... somewhere in the NW USA. sysex.net and lysdexia.org all point to the same IP address. The address is up, but there's no web server listening. Reverse-IP had 'dhcp' in the name, so it may be a "dynamic DNS" issue. -gabriel From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 8 20:15:04 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:15:04 -0800 Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down In-Reply-To: References: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101208201504.GE15704@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 01:20:40PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Renato wrote: > > is phasex's site down or is it only me? > > > > http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ > > it's been down for some time, but I'm using this version: > > https://github.com/disabled/phasex-dev > Phasex site goes up, it goes down, it comes back up, it jumps around, etc etc. Glad it's mirrored on github; that's very useful, thanks. -ken From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 8 20:18:31 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:18:31 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: <4CFFB9B2.9010308@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <4CFFB9B2.9010308@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <20101208201831.GF15704@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 05:00:34PM +0000, linuxdsp wrote: > James Stone wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, James Stone wrote: >>> >>>> I guess in hardware? >>>> >>>> Thinking more about it, do I need to plug the DI out into a preamp >>>> before it goes into the line in for the soundcard? (the instrument is >>>> a bass guitar unamplified). >>> If you can, just skip the DI and plug the guitar straight into the sound >>> card's line-in. >> >> I've tried that before, but (at least with an electric (non-bass)), >> the sound was rather woolly and lacking in treble - I though due to >> the mix of Hi-Z and line level input. >> >> James >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > If you are connecting a guitar to a soundcard input you will almost > certainly need some kind of DI box to provide the necessary high > impedance input for the guitar otherwise you will get a dull "woolly" > sound - as you describe. > > A balanced line has three conductors instead of the usual two. These > are the screen, and the two signal wires. The signal wires carry the > audio signal, but in opposite polarity. > > In a conventional balanced input stage, the two signal inputs are > subtracted from each other - and being of opposite polarity, the result > is the original audio. However, the important advantage of this method > is that any noise or interference induced on the wire(s) will be of the > same polarity on both signal conductors (in theory) and so will be > cancelled out (this is what common-mode rejection is all about). > > You can get a signal for your single-ended input to the soundcard > between either signal phase and the screen. To avoid any phase > inversions, connect the positive signal out from the DI box (XLR pin 2) > to the signal in on your sound card input (Tip of the jack connector), > and the screen (XLR pin 1 ) to the ground on the soundcard input (Body > of the jack connector). > > This is not the ideal way to convert between balanced and unbalanced > signals, but it will provide a working solution. There's some more info > here: > > http://www.rane.com/note110.html > > As for whether the signal level will need more amplification, that > depends on the DI box. If you can feed a line level mixer input, then > probably not, but try it and see. > I have a slightly different question: I need to convert a non-balanced consumer-grade headphone input (from a laptop or iPod), to a non-balanced consumer-grade amplifier (Cambridge SoundWorks).... but with complete ground isolation. I'm guessing a simple transformer should do the trick, but the question is: WHICH transformer? What should the specs be in order to get the impedance right for both sides? -ken From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Dec 8 20:24:35 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:24:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] phasex's site down In-Reply-To: <20101208201504.GE15704@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101208192346.2a442e19@gmail.com> <20101208201504.GE15704@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4CFFE983.8020008@autostatic.com> On 12/08/2010 09:15 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 01:20:40PM -0600, Josh Lawrence wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Renato wrote: >>> is phasex's site down or is it only me? >>> >>> http://www.sysex.net/phasex/ >> >> it's been down for some time, but I'm using this version: >> >> https://github.com/disabled/phasex-dev >> > > Phasex site goes up, it goes down, it comes back up, it jumps around, etc etc. > > Glad it's mirrored on github; that's very useful, thanks. > > -ken It's not really a mirror. phasex-dev is basically a fork of PHASEX and some PHASEX patches sound way differently (or more accurately said, sound like they should) with phasex-dev. Best, Jeremy From fons at kokkinizita.net Wed Dec 8 20:41:43 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:41:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT(ish): Connecting balanced out to line in In-Reply-To: <20101208201831.GF15704@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4CFFB9B2.9010308@linuxdsp.co.uk> <20101208201831.GF15704@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101208204143.GE4053@zita2> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:18:31PM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > I have a slightly different question: I need to convert a non-balanced consumer-grade headphone input (from a laptop or iPod), to a non-balanced consumer-grade amplifier (Cambridge SoundWorks).... but with complete ground isolation. I'm guessing a simple transformer should do the trick, but the question is: WHICH transformer? What should the specs be in order to get the impedance right for both sides? Don't worry about impedances, they don't have to be matched unless there's a few km of wire between the two. Headphone out is low Z, amp in will be 10k or more. Any line level 1:1 audio transfo will do. You can by them as XLR inserts or just bare. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 20:47:15 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:47:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fluxbox configuration (keys) Message-ID: <4CFFEED3.5070208@gmail.com> Hi, You probably know that Fluxbox is pretty good for working with audio. Light and extremely configurable. Inspired by the Xmonad default settings for key binding http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:Xmbindings.png, here is a 'keys' file which may help you to set up your Fluxbox configuration. And maybe you are able to give some suggestions and tips to make the file better or to help improve the workflow. It's not about the exact keybindings but more about the 'concepts' in it. Regards, \r # click on the desktop to get menus OnDesktop Mouse1 :HideMenus OnDesktop Mouse2 :WorkspaceMenu OnDesktop Mouse3 :RootMenu # scroll on the desktop to change workspaces OnDesktop Mouse4 :PrevWorkspace OnDesktop Mouse5 :NextWorkspace # scroll on the toolbar to change workspaces OnToolbar Mouse4 :PrevWorkspace OnToolbar Mouse5 :NextWorkspace # alt + left/right click to move/resize a window OnWindow Mod1 Mouse1 :MacroCmd {Raise} {Focus} {StartMoving} OnWindow Mod1 Mouse3 :MacroCmd {Raise} {Focus} {StartResizing NearestCorner} # middle click a window's titlebar and drag to attach windows OnTitlebar Mouse2 :StartTabbing # double click on the titlebar to shade OnTitlebar Double Mouse1 :Shade # right click on the titlebar for a menu of options OnTitlebar Mouse3 :WindowMenu # alt-tab Mod1 Tab :NextWindow {groups} Mod1 Shift Tab :PrevWindow {groups} # cycle through tabs in the current window Mod4 Tab :NextTab Mod4 Shift Tab :PrevTab # go to a specific tab in the current window Mod4 F1 :Tab 1 Mod4 F2 :Tab 2 Mod4 F3 :Tab 3 Mod4 F4 :Tab 4 Mod4 F5 :Tab 5 Mod4 F6 :Tab 6 Mod4 F7 :Tab 7 Mod4 F8 :Tab 8 Mod4 F9 :Tab 9 # open a terminal Mod4 Shift x :ExecCommand xterm +sm Mod4 Shift t :Exec konsole # open a dialog to run programs Mod1 F2 :Exec fbrun # volume settings, using common keycodes # if these don't work, use xev to find out your real keycodes 176 :Exec amixer sset Master,0 1+ 174 :Exec amixer sset Master,0 1- 160 :Exec amixer sset Master,0 toggle # current window commands Mod4 Shift c :Close Mod4 Shift z :KillWindow Mod4 Shift a :CloseAllWindows #move windows Mod4 Shift j :MoveLeft 10 Mod4 Shift l :MoveRight 10 Mod4 Shift m :MoveDown 10 Mod4 Shift i :MoveUp 10 Mod4 F9 :Minimize #Mod1 F10 :Maximize Mod4 space :Maximize Mod4 F11 :Fullscreen # open the window menu Mod1 space :WindowMenu # exit fluxbox Mod4 Shift q :Exit Mod4 Shift r :Reconfigure Mod4 Shift s :Restart #Control Mod1 Delete :Exit Mod4 Shift Delete :Exec xterm -e sudo shutdown -h now Mod4 Shift Escape :Exec xterm -e sudo reboot #showdesktop Mod4 Shift d :ShowDesktop #cpuscaling on performance Mod4 Shift p :Exec xterm -e sudo cpufreq-set -g performance Mod4 Shift o :Exec xterm -e sudo cpufreq-set -g ondemand Mod4 Shift y :Exec xterm -e sudo cpufreq-set -g conservative #hal polling Mod4 Shift h :Exec xterm -e sudo hal-disable-polling --device /dev/scd0 Mod4 Shift e :Exec xterm -e sudo hal-disable-polling --enable-polling --device /dev/scd #Suggestion: Disable the unused bluetooth interface with the following command: #Mod4 Shift b :Exec xterm -e sudo hciconfig hci0 down #Bluetooth is a radio and consumes quite some power, and keeps USB busy as well. # change to a specific workspace Mod4 1 :Workspace 1 Mod4 2 :Workspace 2 Mod4 3 :Workspace 3 Mod4 4 :Workspace 4 Mod4 5 :Workspace 5 Mod4 6 :Workspace 6 Mod4 7 :Workspace 7 Mod4 8 :Workspace 8 Mod4 9 :Workspace 9 Mod4 10 :Workspace 10 Mod4 11 :Workspace 11 Mod4 12 :Workspace 12 # send the current window to a specific workspace Mod4 Shift 1 :SendToWorkspace 1 Mod4 Shift 2 :SendToWorkspace 2 Mod4 Shift 3 :SendToWorkspace 3 Mod4 Shift 4 :SendToWorkspace 4 Mod4 Shift 5 :SendToWorkspace 5 Mod4 Shift 6 :SendToWorkspace 6 Mod4 Shift 7 :SendToWorkspace 7 Mod4 Shift 8 :SendToWorkspace 8 Mod4 Shift 9 :SendToWorkspace 9 Mod4 Shift 10 :SendToWorkspace 10 Mod4 Shift 11 :SendToWorkspace 11 Mod4 Shift 12 :SendToWorkspace 12 # send the current window and change to a specific workspace #Control Mod4 F1 :TakeToWorkspace 1 #Control Mod4 F2 :TakeToWorkspace 2 #Control Mod4 F3 :TakeToWorkspace 3 #Control Mod4 F4 :TakeToWorkspace 4 #Control Mod4 F5 :TakeToWorkspace 5 #Control Mod4 F6 :TakeToWorkspace 6 #Control Mod4 F7 :TakeToWorkspace 7 #Control Mod4 F8 :TakeToWorkspace 8 #Control Mod4 F9 :TakeToWorkspace 9 #Control Mod4 F10 :TakeToWorkspace 10 #Control Mod4 F11 :TakeToWorkspace 11 #Control Mod4 F12 :TakeToWorkspace 12 Control Mod4 1 :TakeToWorkspace 1 Control Mod4 2 :TakeToWorkspace 2 Control Mod4 3 :TakeToWorkspace 3 Control Mod4 4 :TakeToWorkspace 4 Control Mod4 5 :TakeToWorkspace 5 Control Mod4 6 :TakeToWorkspace 6 Control Mod4 7 :TakeToWorkspace 7 Control Mod4 8 :TakeToWorkspace 8 Control Mod4 9 :TakeToWorkspace 9 Control Mod4 10 :TakeToWorkspace 10 Control Mod4 11 :TakeToWorkspace 11 Control Mod4 12 :TakeToWorkspace 12 #start system applications #Mod4 p :Exec 0dmenu Mod4 p :ExecCommand `dmenu_path | dmenu` && eval ?exec $exe? Mod1 t :Exec thunar #Mod1 s :Exec konsole #start audio apps Mod4 q :Exec qjackctl Mod4 a :Exec ardour2 Mod4 h :Exec hydrogen Mod4 c :Exec patchage #Mod4 m :Exec 0a2jmidid Mod4 m :ExecCommand a2jmidid -e #Mod4 u :Exec thun #start desktop apps Mod4 k :Exec konversation Mod4 t :Exec icedove Mod4 f :ExecCommand java -jar ~/Fantasia-0.9.jar Mod4 i :Exec iceweasel Mod4 w :Exec kwrite Mod4 d :Exec dolphin Mod4 n :Exec wicd-client Mod4 l :Exec xterm +sm -hold -e linuxsampler #kill Mod4 Shift u :ExecCommand killall jackd #open terminal + commands Mod4 Shift w :Exec xterm -hold -e wmctrl -l & Mod4 Mod1 j :Exec xterm +sm -hold -e jackd -d firewire Mod4 Mod1 k :Exec xterm +sm -hold -e jackd -d firewire -p 128 Mod4 Mod1 l :Exec xterm +sm -hold -e jackd -d firewire -p 64 #kill Mod4 Control k :ExecCommand killall jackd From l33tmmx at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 21:09:10 2010 From: l33tmmx at gmail.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:09:10 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Fluxbox configuration (keys) In-Reply-To: <4CFFEED3.5070208@gmail.com> References: <4CFFEED3.5070208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CFFF3F6.6030307@gmail.com> On 12/08/10 22:47, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > > You probably know that Fluxbox is pretty good for working with audio. Light and > extremely configurable. Inspired by the Xmonad default settings for key binding > http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:Xmbindings.png, here is a 'keys' file which > may help you to set up your Fluxbox configuration. And maybe you are able to > give some suggestions and tips to make the file better or to help improve the > workflow. It's not about the exact keybindings but more about the 'concepts' in it. > > Regards, > > \r > Although I'm a very long-time Fluxbox user (since 0.1.x) , I haven't used the keybindings much; tend to rely too much on mouse... But this really got me thinking, maybe I should start to adapt your configuration to my needs. Thanks! JR -- | me at home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me at home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | :: Last.fm user ID: l33tmmx :: | From steiner at block4.com Wed Dec 8 21:12:23 2010 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:12:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fluxbox configuration (keys) In-Reply-To: <4CFFEED3.5070208@gmail.com> References: <4CFFEED3.5070208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CFFF4B7.5010606@block4.com> I like Mod4 dead_circumflex :ToggleDecor it switches off and on the windowframe of current window, great for visualists. Its still draggable with alt-click or what you set up for dragging... -- ---- media art + development http://www.block4.com new on iTunes: Notstandskomitee Automatenmusik http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/automatenmusik/id383400418 From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 21:48:41 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:48:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) Message-ID: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> Hi, I made a script to download free audio data which may be useful on your linuxaudio desktop. * I tried to 'echo' credits and copyrights as much as possible, all though it should be improved in some areas as well I think (contributions are welcome). * I didn't check if the folder structure made by the script is right, you may find data in unexpected places... (improvements are welcome) * I ran a previous version of this script myself. I didn't run the script as it is now... * There is probably more interesting free audio data available which should fit nicely in the script (contributions are welcome!) * Use at your own risk Regards, \r -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: lau_freeaudiodata_draft URL: From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 22:18:00 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:18:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Fluxbox configuration (keys) In-Reply-To: <4CFFF4B7.5010606@block4.com> References: <4CFFEED3.5070208@gmail.com> <4CFFF4B7.5010606@block4.com> Message-ID: <4D000418.2050107@gmail.com> On 12/08/2010 10:12 PM, Malte Steiner wrote: > I like > Mod4 dead_circumflex :ToggleDecor > > it switches off and on the windowframe of current window, great for > visualists. Its still draggable with alt-click or what you set up for > dragging... > > Cool, thanks! From harryhaaren at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 00:22:34 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:22:34 +0000 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, Great idea Rosea! I have some suggestions you might concider? - The downloads are quite big, for those with slower internet, at least warn that X GB will be downloaded? - Perhaps see if a GUI can be incorperated, perhaps a Python application? (I volunteer to help on this if needed.) - In the GUI we could ask the user "what" part of all of the resources they want, ie: maybe not all want both Salamander & the Mastro Concert Grand pianos... Just a question, one of the resources mentiones: "If you want to include any of these soundfonts in a distribution or collection of soundfonts or similar, you must get my permission" Would the list concider a script to download things a collection? Or similar? Ie: Would each downloader need to contact the owner? Cheers, and once again, fabulous idea! I find im always losing some samples / something small when reinstalling, this script would clear that up for once & for all. -Harry On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, rosea.grammostola < rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > I made a script to download free audio data which may be useful on your > linuxaudio desktop. > > * I tried to 'echo' credits and copyrights as much as possible, all though > it should be improved in some areas as well I think (contributions are > welcome). > > * I didn't check if the folder structure made by the script is right, you > may find data in unexpected places... (improvements are welcome) > > * I ran a previous version of this script myself. I didn't run the script > as it is now... > > * There is probably more interesting free audio data available which should > fit nicely in the script (contributions are welcome!) > > * Use at your own risk > > > Regards, > > \r > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From capoeirista at arcor.de Thu Dec 9 00:46:37 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:46:37 -0200 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012082246.38264.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em quarta-feira 08 dezembro 2010, ?s 22:22:34, Harry Van Haaren escreveu: > Would the list concider a script to download things a collection? a collection would be if it where on some kinf of media or other website. this is only a collection of links From ivan_521521 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 00:51:32 2010 From: ivan_521521 at yahoo.com (Ivan K) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:51:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> A script that calls "wget". That is quite an achievement. --- On Wed, 12/8/10, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > > I made a script to download free audio data which may be > useful on your linuxaudio desktop. > From ico at vt.edu Thu Dec 9 06:12:43 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:12:43 -0500 Subject: [LAU] L2Ork seeking additional performance opportunities in Berlin and Paris Message-ID: <4AAECA3D10C54B6CAB8F7D362068034F@supersecretpear> Apologies for cross-posting. Linux Laptop Orchestra or (L2Ork) is currently in the final stages of planning its debut European tour. While most venues have been already arranged for we are currently in the process of seeking additional performance opportunities in Paris, France as well as Berlin, Germany. Our target dates are May 17-31, 2011 with anticipated stops in Ljubljana, Budapest, Linz, Berlin, Hamburg, Utrecht, Amsterdam, Paris, and Birmingham. If anyone is aware of potential venues in Paris and Berlin and/or contacts that may be able to point us in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it if you would please email me at your earliest convenience. For additional info on L2Ork please visit http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/ Thank you very much! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico at vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ From jypllx at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 07:56:08 2010 From: jypllx at gmail.com (jy) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:56:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] L2Ork seeking additional performance opportunities in Berlin and Paris In-Reply-To: <4AAECA3D10C54B6CAB8F7D362068034F@supersecretpear> References: <4AAECA3D10C54B6CAB8F7D362068034F@supersecretpear> Message-ID: Hi I might help you find a venue in Paris (finding the right contacts and all) but I would need a stage plan, a technical plan (mic/amp needs and all) and also I need to know what king of venue you're targeting (clubs, concert hall, stadiums) ;-) I can try and contact associations/people or give you directly these contacts ... jy 2010/12/9 Ivica Ico Bukvic > Apologies for cross-posting. > > Linux Laptop Orchestra or (L2Ork) is currently in the final stages of > planning its debut European tour. While most venues have been already > arranged for we are currently in the process of seeking additional > performance opportunities in Paris, France as well as Berlin, Germany. Our > target dates are May 17-31, 2011 with anticipated stops in Ljubljana, > Budapest, Linz, Berlin, Hamburg, Utrecht, Amsterdam, Paris, and Birmingham. > > If anyone is aware of potential venues in Paris and Berlin and/or contacts > that may be able to point us in the right direction, I would greatly > appreciate it if you would please email me at your earliest convenience. > > For additional info on L2Ork please visit http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/ > > Thank you very much! > > Best wishes, > > Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. > Composition, Music Technology > Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio > Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra > Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD > CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) > Virginia Tech > Dept. of Music - 0240 > Blacksburg, VA 24061 > (540) 231-6139 > (540) 231-5034 (fax) > ico at vt.edu > http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 9 08:34:21 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:34:21 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Some research announcements from ScienceDaily.com about music Message-ID: <4D00948D.704@hawaii.rr.com> Feeling chills in response to music http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101207191525.htm And some related stories: Music thought to enhance intelligence, mental health and immune system http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060622172738.htm Adolescents involved with music do better in school http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090210110043.htm Babies are born to dance http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100315161925.htm Gifted students beat the blues with heavy metal http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070321130834.htm -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From zwy648rct at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 09:37:55 2010 From: zwy648rct at gmail.com (M Watts) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:37:55 +1000 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D00A373.409@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 10:51 AM, Ivan K wrote: > A script that calls "wget". Well, what else would a "script to download free audio data" do? > That is quite an achievement. But it pales in comparison to buying a new CPU ;-) From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 10:14:28 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:14:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D00AC04.3010203@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 01:51 AM, Ivan K wrote: > A script that calls "wget". That is quite an achievement. > Thanks, you made my day! From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 10:16:24 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:16:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D00AC78.7030901@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 01:22 AM, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > Hey, > > Great idea Rosea! I have some suggestions you might concider? > > - The downloads are quite big, for those with slower internet, at > least warn that X GB will be downloaded? > - Perhaps see if a GUI can be incorperated, perhaps a Python > application? (I volunteer to help on this if needed.) > - In the GUI we could ask the user "what" part of all of the resources > they want, ie: maybe not all want both Salamander & the Mastro Concert > Grand pianos... > > Just a question, one of the resources mentiones: > "If you want to include any of these soundfonts in a distribution or collection of soundfonts or similar, you must get my permission" > Would the list concider a script to download things a collection? Or > similar? Ie: Would each downloader need to contact the owner? > > Cheers, and once again, fabulous idea! I find im always losing some > samples / something small when reinstalling, this script would clear > that up for once & for all. -Harry I don't think a GUI is needed, just open the script in a editor and rm what you want or better, don't want... \r From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 10:21:31 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:21:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <4D00AC78.7030901@gmail.com> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <4D00AC78.7030901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D00ADAB.6020805@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 11:16 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/09/2010 01:22 AM, Harry Van Haaren wrote: >> Hey, >> >> Great idea Rosea! I have some suggestions you might concider? >> >> - The downloads are quite big, for those with slower internet, at >> least warn that X GB will be downloaded? >> - Perhaps see if a GUI can be incorperated, perhaps a Python >> application? (I volunteer to help on this if needed.) >> - In the GUI we could ask the user "what" part of all of the >> resources they want, ie: maybe not all want both Salamander & the >> Mastro Concert Grand pianos... >> >> Just a question, one of the resources mentiones: >> "If you want to include any of these soundfonts in a distribution or >> collection of soundfonts or similar, you must get my permission" >> Would the list concider a script to download things a collection? Or >> similar? Ie: Would each downloader need to contact the owner? >> >> Cheers, and once again, fabulous idea! I find im always losing some >> samples / something small when reinstalling, this script would clear >> that up for once & for all. -Harry > > I don't think a GUI is needed, just open the script in a editor and rm > what you want or better, don't want... > Uh, but if you like to make GUI around it... It wouldn't make it worse I think... ;) Oh and a comment about the amount of GB is a good idea. \r From arnold at arnoldarts.de Thu Dec 9 10:38:01 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:38:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201012091138.06026.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Thursday 09 December 2010 01:51:32 Ivan K wrote: > A script that calls "wget". That is quite an achievement. It is if it helps you to not repeat your wget-command to do the same or a similar task. DRY is one of the keys to productivity. Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From harryhaaren at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 10:44:12 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:44:12 +0000 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <4D00ADAB.6020805@gmail.com> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <4D00AC78.7030901@gmail.com> <4D00ADAB.6020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:21 AM, rosea.grammostola < rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote: > Uh, but if you like to make GUI around it... It wouldn't make it worse I > think... ;) > When I was starting out with linux audio, if someone told me to get some samples / whatever I'd have to go and "just open the script in a editor and rm what you want or better, don't want..." I don't think I'd be too impressed... Whereas if a nice little GTK GUI pops up, with a funky logo, and you can click what you want to get... and perhaps even hear a sample... wauw. I'd have been impressed. 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It wouldn't make it > worse I think... ;) > > > When I was starting out with linux audio, if someone told me to get > some samples / whatever I'd > have to go and "just open the script in a editor and rm what you want > or better, don't want..." > I don't think I'd be too impressed... > > Whereas if a nice little GTK GUI pops up, with a funky logo, and you > can click what you want to get... > and perhaps even hear a sample... wauw. I'd have been impressed. In that perspective, true! \r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't run the > script as it is now... > > * There is probably more interesting free audio data available which > should fit nicely in the script (contributions are welcome!) > > * Use at your own risk > > > Regards, > > \r Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Dec 9 12:04:30 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:04:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?windows-1252?q?Linux_Audio_Monthly_Round-Up_=235_=96_Dece?= =?windows-1252?q?mber_2010?= Message-ID: <4D00C5CE.3060801@autostatic.com> Dear all, A bit late because of the Holidays here in the Netherlands, but it's here nonetheless, the Linux Audio Monthly Round-Up #5. Again I had some really positive feedback which is very gratifying of course and it powers the drive to continue writing these round-ups. Back to business, what was November all about? Best, Jeremy http://linuxaudio.org/node/124 From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 12:41:41 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:41:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] cpufreq-set Message-ID: <4D00CE85.4010908@gmail.com> Hi, I thought sudo cpufreq-set -g performance, would set my cpu to the 'perfomance' setting. Apparently is does, but only for one of the two cpu's... (?) # cpufreq-info cpufrequtils 007: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004-2009 Report errors and bugs to cpufreq at vger.kernel.org, please. analyzing CPU 0: driver: acpi-cpufreq CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 0 1 CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 0 maximum transition latency: 10.0 us. hardware limits: 800 MHz - 2.00 GHz available frequency steps: 2.00 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 800 MHz available cpufreq governors: userspace, powersave, conservative, ondemand, performance current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 1.20 GHz. The governor "*performance*" may decide which speed to use within this range. current CPU frequency is 1.20 GHz (asserted by call to hardware). cpufreq stats: 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 1.60 GHz:0.00%, 1.20 GHz:2.65%, 800 MHz:97.35% (347) analyzing CPU 1: driver: acpi-cpufreq CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 0 1 CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 1 maximum transition latency: 10.0 us. hardware limits: 800 MHz - 2.00 GHz available frequency steps: 2.00 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 800 MHz available cpufreq governors: userspace, powersave, conservative, ondemand, performance current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 1.20 GHz. The governor "*ondemand*" may decide which speed to use within this range. current CPU frequency is 1.20 GHz (asserted by call to hardware). cpufreq stats: 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 1.60 GHz:0.00%, 1.20 GHz:1.59%, 800 MHz:98.41% (287) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 12:45:50 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:45:50 -0200 Subject: [LAU] cpufreq-set In-Reply-To: <4D00CE85.4010908@gmail.com> References: <4D00CE85.4010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah rosea, I do this: for x in $( seq 0 7 ) do cpufreq-set -c $x -g performance done 2010/12/9 rosea.grammostola : > Hi, > > > I thought sudo cpufreq-set -g performance, would set my cpu to the > 'perfomance' setting. Apparently is does, but only? for one of the two > cpu's... (?) > > > # cpufreq-info > cpufrequtils 007: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004-2009 > Report errors and bugs to cpufreq at vger.kernel.org, please. > analyzing CPU 0: > ? driver: acpi-cpufreq > ? CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 0 1 > ? CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 0 > ? maximum transition latency: 10.0 us. > ? hardware limits: 800 MHz - 2.00 GHz > ? available frequency steps: 2.00 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 800 MHz > ? available cpufreq governors: userspace, powersave, conservative, ondemand, > performance > ? current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 1.20 GHz. > ????????????????? The governor "performance" may decide which speed to use > ????????????????? within this range. > ? current CPU frequency is 1.20 GHz (asserted by call to hardware). > ? cpufreq stats: 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 1.60 GHz:0.00%, 1.20 > GHz:2.65%, 800 MHz:97.35%? (347) > analyzing CPU 1: > ? driver: acpi-cpufreq > ? CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 0 1 > ? CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 1 > ? maximum transition latency: 10.0 us. > ? hardware limits: 800 MHz - 2.00 GHz > ? available frequency steps: 2.00 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 800 MHz > ? available cpufreq governors: userspace, powersave, conservative, ondemand, > performance > ? current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 1.20 GHz. > ????????????????? The governor "ondemand" may decide which speed to use > ????????????????? within this range. > ? current CPU frequency is 1.20 GHz (asserted by call to hardware). > ? cpufreq stats: 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 2.00 GHz:0.00%, 1.60 GHz:0.00%, 1.20 > GHz:1.59%, 800 MHz:98.41%? (287) > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From schivmeister at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 12:47:24 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:47:24 +0800 Subject: [LAU] cpufreq-set In-Reply-To: <4D00CE85.4010908@gmail.com> References: <4D00CE85.4010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9 December 2010 20:41, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > > I thought sudo cpufreq-set -g performance, would set my cpu to the > 'perfomance' setting. Apparently is does, but only? for one of the two > cpu's... (?) That's correct, you have to manually set it for the second with -c 1. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 13:03:32 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:03:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] cpufreq-set In-Reply-To: References: <4D00CE85.4010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D00D3A4.3060405@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 01:45 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote: > for x in $( seq 0 7 ) > do > cpufreq-set -c $x -g performance > done > thanks, works ( edited for 2 cores,) \r From siliconjoe at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 13:04:37 2010 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:04:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> Message-ID: 2010/12/6 Atte Andr? Jensen : > Hi > > A friend of mine is looking for an usb audio interface. It must work without > hassle under linux, and have an (at least decent) 48V input, and at least > one other microphone input (48V on this input would be nice, but not > necessary). 2 channel output would be enough. If the price permits, more > inputs (mainly for michrophone) would be great, but the price is important. > > What should I recommend him? My first idea was an edirol, but looking over > two large web-shops, I didn't see a single edirol usb-interface! > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk ? http://modlys.dk > Hi I have a Cakewalk UA-1G and it's working fine, no midi though (got a cheap 8? chinese usb adapter for that). It's way cheaper than the UA25EX. It has an high-Z instrument input (guitar and bass) switchable to mic and RCA stereo line inputs, Line out and headphones out + SPDIF (optical) in and out. http://www.cakewalk.com/products/hardware/default.aspx?Prod=UA-1G Cheers, -Giuseppe From ico at vt.edu Thu Dec 9 14:50:15 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:50:15 -0500 Subject: [LAU] L2Ork PD first stable release now available Message-ID: <1291906215.23291.106.camel@monsoon> Changes since release candidate 6: *added apply undo/redo (applies to vanilla objects with properties (e.g. gatom) plus currently as a test implementation only to the cnv object from the iemgui set--I will add it to other applicable imegui objects once the implementation is thoroughly tested). *added resize handle to the cnv object. *implemented auto-update of properties window (width/height and in cnv case also selection area width/height if the properties window is open). *fixed bug where autoconnect tries to auto-connect cnv objects. *fixed regression where gatom objects after being duplicated are only partially selected. *fixed bug where changing object properties did not result in canvas being "dirty." Special thanks to all who have provided invaluable feedback in making this release as bug-free as possible! http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Best wishes, Ico From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 15:07:41 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:07:41 -0600 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Ivan K wrote: > A script that calls "wget". ?That is quite an achievement. now honestly Ivan :) I don't know rosea other than reading his postings here on the list, but I would assume that (judging from those postings) he is like me in that he is not a programmer, but loves open source software and wants to contribute in some meaningful way. this script might represent a learning curve for him, something that took him a long time to learn how to do. I'm pretty sure that you would laugh at my C program that can count to 10, but it took me *days* to figure out how to do it...and I'm pretty proud of it. :) keep at it, \r. Ivan, pm me your mailing address and I'll order you some nice coffee ;) -- Josh Lawrence "Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be not prejudiced against names unknown to you." ~Robert Schumann From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 16:53:43 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:53:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <1290860101.11063.8.camel@ruiner> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <1290860101.11063.8.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <4D010997.8090401@gmail.com> On 11/27/2010 01:15 PM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 11:24 +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> When I set cpu scaling with sudo cpufreq-set -g performance, I have the >> best proaudio performance on my thinkpad T61. But, that will also heat >> things up very quickly with as consequence more sound from the fans. >> >> The laptop is more silent when I use, sudo cpufreq-set -g ondemand, but >> I get more xruns then. >> >> Is it possible to adjust the ondemand settings to find more balance >> between performance and noise? How? >> > You'll almost certainly be getting xruns not because the CPU is running > slower sometimes in "ondemand" mode, but because the CPU is changing > between fast and slow speeds. This speed change causes the CPU to pause > momentarily, and can very easily cause xruns; I've found that this is a > really common cause of JACK xrun issues with laptops. > > The good thing is that, unless you're doing something quite CPU > intensive, you might be able to run your CPU at its lowest speed -- as > long as it's not changing speeds, you still shouldn't see xruns. Setting > the CPU governor to "conservative" will lock you in at your CPU's lowest > speed. > > If that's not enough, you might be able to set your CPU to a specific > speed that's still lower than its maximum -- I know my 2.4Ghz laptop has > both 800Mhz and 1.6Ghz settings, for instance. > > Thanks > Leigh > >> >> Btw., I use thinkfan to control the temperature and fan speed >> http://thinkfan.sourceforge.net/ >> >> My /etc/thinkfan.conf settings are: >> >> sensor /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal (2, 7, 8, 0, 0, 0, 7, 0, 12, 5, 5) >> >> >> (0, 0, 54) >> (1, 50, 57) >> (2, 52, 59) >> (3, 54, 63) >> (4, 56, 65) >> (5, 59, 66) >> (7, 63, 32767) >> Has a choice between Jack1 and Jack2 any influence on 'the balance between performance and noise' (on a dualcore)? Does one or the other have higher cpu load etc. ? Regards, \r From f.rech at yahoo.fr Thu Dec 9 17:05:30 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:05:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D010C5A.9050408@yahoo.fr> Josh Lawrence a ?crit : > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Ivan K wrote: > >> A script that calls "wget". That is quite an achievement. >> > > now honestly Ivan :) > > I don't know rosea other than reading his postings here on the list, > but I would assume that (judging from those postings) he is like me in > that he is not a programmer, but loves open source software and wants > to contribute in some meaningful way. this script might represent a > learning curve for him, something that took him a long time to learn > how to do. I'm pretty sure that you would laugh at my C program that > can count to 10, but it took me *days* to figure out how to do > it...and I'm pretty proud of it. :) > > keep at it, \r. > > Ivan, pm me your mailing address and I'll order you some nice coffee ;) > > +1 ! And in a "just user" point of view, it's really nice to know where and how have good sounds, which are in my case the only reason to keep a double boot ;-)) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rustompmody at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 17:22:42 2010 From: rustompmody at gmail.com (Rustom Mody) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:52:42 +0530 Subject: [LAU] Some research announcements from ScienceDaily.com about music In-Reply-To: <4D00948D.704@hawaii.rr.com> References: <4D00948D.704@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks David for this. I was just wondering what is the current view of tomatis method As expected wikipedia scorns it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_A._Tomatis But for me when wikipedia ridicules something I need to give it a second look... On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM, david wrote: > Feeling chills in response to music > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101207191525.htm > > And some related stories: > > Music thought to enhance intelligence, mental health and immune system > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060622172738.htm > > Adolescents involved with music do better in school > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090210110043.htm > > Babies are born to dance > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100315161925.htm > > Gifted students beat the blues with heavy metal > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070321130834.htm > > -- > David > gnome at hawaii.rr.com > authenticity, honesty, community > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'm not seeing any issues with freq scaling even at 32*2 at 48kHz. ciao, robin From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 17:39:45 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:39:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D011461.9070409@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 06:35 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: > >> Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch frequencies which >> produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. >> > what kernel are you running? > > 2.6.33.7-rt29 > That one ^ You tested it with yoshimi, hammond or other heavy patches? Foo-yc20 ? /r From capoeirista at arcor.de Thu Dec 9 17:41:03 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:41:03 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> Message-ID: <201012091541.03531.capoeirista@arcor.de> I don't see any use for cpu-governor else for saving batery-power on laptops. I don't even have it installed here Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 15:35:53, Robin Gareus escreveu: > On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: > > Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch frequencies which > > produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. > > what kernel are you running? > > I do have realtime-kernels (2.6.31.12-rt21, 2.6.33.7-rt29) running on 4 > PCs/Laptops (Intel core duo 32bit, Intel Core 2 Duo 64bit, Atom and an > Intel-i5) and on none of them frequency-scaling ever caused any x-runs. > The ondemand governor is ruling them all. > > It /might/ be an issue with other CPUs or mainboards.. or non-RT > systems, or with extreme low latency. But I'm not seeing any issues with > freq scaling even at 32*2 at 48kHz. > > ciao, > robin > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 17:41:56 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:41:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D0114E4.3060707@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 06:35 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: > >> Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch frequencies which >> produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. >> > what kernel are you running? > > I do have realtime-kernels (2.6.31.12-rt21, 2.6.33.7-rt29) running on 4 > PCs/Laptops (Intel core duo 32bit, Intel Core 2 Duo 64bit, Atom and an > Intel-i5) and on none of them frequency-scaling ever caused any x-runs. > The ondemand governor is ruling them all. > > It /might/ be an issue with other CPUs or mainboards.. or non-RT > systems, or with extreme low latency. But I'm not seeing any issues with > freq scaling even at 32*2 at 48kHz. > I think there might be other variables, like ffado usage (audiofire 2), firewire chipset (ricoh)... From capoeirista at arcor.de Thu Dec 9 17:43:48 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:43:48 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <201012091541.03531.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> <201012091541.03531.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <201012091543.49037.capoeirista@arcor.de> ohhh, exuse me...it's about noise...people shouldn't even record near the cpu anyways. there are also passive coolers. Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 15:41:03, Fabio escreveu: > I don't see any use for cpu-governor else for saving batery-power on laptops. I don't even have it installed here > > > Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 15:35:53, Robin Gareus escreveu: > > On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: > > > Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch frequencies which > > > produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. > > > > what kernel are you running? > > > > I do have realtime-kernels (2.6.31.12-rt21, 2.6.33.7-rt29) running on 4 > > PCs/Laptops (Intel core duo 32bit, Intel Core 2 Duo 64bit, Atom and an > > Intel-i5) and on none of them frequency-scaling ever caused any x-runs. > > The ondemand governor is ruling them all. > > > > It /might/ be an issue with other CPUs or mainboards.. or non-RT > > systems, or with extreme low latency. But I'm not seeing any issues with > > freq scaling even at 32*2 at 48kHz. > > > > ciao, > > robin > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 18:54:45 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:54:45 +0300 Subject: [LAU] recycle users wanted Message-ID: Hello lists :) First, an introduction. Within the context of this mail I'm representing re-lab -- a small project [1] that does a dirty job developers usually try to avoid -- reverse-engineering file formats that have no publicly available specs. Our primary goal is helping dev teams and therefore end-users to support legacy data. We started with Corel DRAW back in 2007 (supported by Inkscape, sK1 and UniConvertor now), continued with painting dynamics in Photoshop brushes (supported by Krita in SVN trunk) and Photoshop gradients (supported by SwatchBooker), and now we arrive to audio domain. A while ago we asked Ardour team if they wanted some file formats reverse-engineered. Paul named a couple of such file formats, including REX2 audio loops [2]. Since we are (at least pretend to be) nice guys, we started with mailing Propellerhead, but they never replied (only to be expected, given their track record re open source teams). Well, something had to be done about that, eh? So we started looking into things. Initial version of Python scripts that parse .rx2 files and dump stuff to stdout is already available [3]. This is exactly what deliver in the end: Python scripts for parsing and a specification that explains what every chunk does. Now here is what we need. All we have right now is a bunch of .rx2 files that I got with my Focusrite Saffire Pro24 and bundled software. It's good for a start, but for proper r-e we need introducing small changes to files and seeing what's changed. So we need someone with a licensed copy of ReCycle and some spare time on his/her hands to help us figuring things out. Demo version of ReCycle works fine in WINE, but saving and loading arbitrary files is impossible. We really do not want dealing with pirated copies, because, again, we do our best to be nice guys. And since we do it not just for fun, but for actual results, we'd be glad if developers of other applications (FreeCycle and Smasher are the first I can think of) implemented support for REX2. Coincidentally we are also interested in people who are good at audio compression algorithms. *cough* Monty *cough* :) By the way, usually I don't read both l-a-u and l-a-d lists, so after a while (a week maybe) I'll turn off delivery of mails, which means you probably want using Reply to All button in your mail client of choice. [1] http://gitorious.org/re-lab/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REX2 [3] http://gitorious.org/re-lab/audio Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 9 20:09:24 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:09:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D013774.4010600@email.dk> On 2010-12-09 14:04, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: > I have a Cakewalk UA-1G and it's working fine, no midi though (got a > cheap 8? chinese usb adapter for that). > > It's way cheaper than the UA25EX. I looked at at it but it seems it doesn't have phantom power, right? How about zero-latency monitoring, is that available, with adjustable mix and option to have recorded signal monitored as mono (so appearing in both left and right channel)? -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From robin at gareus.org Thu Dec 9 20:10:20 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:10:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D011461.9070409@gmail.com> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> <4D011461.9070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0137AC.6080106@gareus.org> On 12/09/2010 06:39 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/09/2010 06:35 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: >> On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: >> >>> Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch >>> frequencies which >>> produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. >>> >> what kernel are you running? >> > >> 2.6.33.7-rt29 >> > > That one ^ > > You tested it with yoshimi, hammond or other heavy patches? Foo-yc20 ? different toolset here, but I can go from naught to 16 jconvolvers, csound, fluidsynth, ardour & jamin in a few seconds. causing the CPU usage to jump up and change freq w/o x-runs. ..what does cause problems here is FSBus frequency scaling, I've disabled that in the BIOS. Cheers! robin -- Robin Gareus 84bis Rue de Grenelle 75007 Paris, France mobile: +33 612 738 346 mailto: robin at gareus.org jabber: xmpp:rgareus at ik.nu phone & fax: +33 95 222 567 2 Public Key at http://pgp.mit.edu/ Fingerprint : 7107 840B 4DC9 C948 076D 6359 7955 24F1 4F95 2B42 From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 9 20:15:48 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:15:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D0138F4.10109@email.dk> On 2010-12-09 01:51, Ivan K wrote: > A script that calls "wget". That is quite an achievement. I wouldn't use such a script myself, since I'd rather hand pick the samples I need, and after doing this for ages I have now ended up finding certain sites that have what I'm looking for. Time consuming but rewarding process... That said, I think it's a great idea, and the fact that it uses wget doesn't make it the slightest bit less useful! Thanks for sharing! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Thu Dec 9 20:24:21 2010 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:24:21 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D013AF5.2030801@localhost> On 12/09/2010 09:35 AM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: >> Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch frequencies which >> produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. > what kernel are you running? > > I do have realtime-kernels (2.6.31.12-rt21, 2.6.33.7-rt29) running on 4 > PCs/Laptops (Intel core duo 32bit, Intel Core 2 Duo 64bit, Atom and an > Intel-i5) and on none of them frequency-scaling ever caused any x-runs. > The ondemand governor is ruling them all. Lucky you! :-) I have problems here running rt29 on a Lenovo T510 laptop. Frequency scaling causes xruns. And I found (after wasting a lot of time on other possible causes) that setting the governor to "Performance" was actually not enough. You had to actually stop the cpuspeed daemon and then the xruns would just go away. > ..what does cause problems here is FSBus frequency scaling, I've > disabled that in the BIOS. Good to know! I suspect my laptop will not have that degree of configurability in the BIOS but I'll try that with out desktops. -- Fernando > It /might/ be an issue with other CPUs or mainboards.. or non-RT > systems, or with extreme low latency. But I'm not seeing any issues with > freq scaling even at 32*2 at 48kHz. > > ciao, > robin > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From siliconjoe at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 20:41:31 2010 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:41:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4D013774.4010600@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4D013774.4010600@email.dk> Message-ID: > 2010/12/9 Atte Andr? Jensen : > On 2010-12-09 14:04, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: > >> I have a Cakewalk UA-1G and it's working fine, no midi though (got a >> cheap 8? chinese usb adapter for that). >> >> It's way cheaper than the UA25EX. > > I looked at at it but it seems it doesn't have phantom power, right? How > about zero-latency monitoring, is that available, with adjustable mix and > option to have recorded signal monitored as mono (so appearing in both left > and right channel)? > Hi Atte, No it doesn't have phantom power. It has zero latency monitoring (I use it on a daily basis) and it can be enabled/disabled on the back via the dip-switches panel. Now having said that it's a bit of pain to enable/disable it since you need something pointy to reach the tiny dip-switch. Not sure about the mono to dual mono thing I'd have to check later, but couldn't something like this simply be accomplished by connecting a single input to the 2 left and right outputs via jackd? Also another thing to take notice about this USB device is that it is only configurable via the on-board hardware(it's an advantage for me), i.e. sampling rate (needs a device dis/re/connection), monitoring, digital vs analog inputs, input/output levels. It won't do 96KHz for both playback and recording and again you'll have to use the dip-switches on the back to select the 96KHz mode. Up to 48KHz there is no such limitation, full duplex audio operation. I hope that sums it up. Cheers, -Giuseppe From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 9 20:54:03 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:54:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4D013774.4010600@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D0141EB.4030508@email.dk> On 2010-12-09 21:41, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: Hi, thanks for getting back to me! > Not sure about the mono to dual mono thing I'd have to > check later, but couldn't something like this simply be accomplished > by connecting a single input to the 2 left and right outputs via > jackd? I don't think so. At least the zero-latency monitoring on my card never reaches jack, it's simply a matter of mixing the output of the soundcard (that's generated from the computer) with the input *in hardware* on the card. If it has been passed through jack it wouldn't be zero-latency, I guess... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From schivmeister at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 20:57:43 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 04:57:43 +0800 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <1291893890-sup-8526@eris> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <1291893890-sup-8526@eris> Message-ID: On 9 December 2010 19:26, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some > meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. Would like to know too. Or create a page on the wiki with the links ;) -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 21:06:06 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:06:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <1291893890-sup-8526@eris> Message-ID: <4D0144BE.5080609@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 09:57 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 9 December 2010 19:26, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > >> Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some >> meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. >> > Would like to know too. Or create a page on the wiki with the links ;) > Yeah why don't you do that, you have the links... :) From capoeirista at arcor.de Thu Dec 9 21:12:08 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:12:08 -0200 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <4D0144BE.5080609@gmail.com> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <4D0144BE.5080609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012091912.08363.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 19:06:06, rosea.grammostola escreveu: > On 12/09/2010 09:57 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > > On 9 December 2010 19:26, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > > >> Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some > >> meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. > >> > > Would like to know too. Or create a page on the wiki with the links ;) > > > Yeah why don't you do that, you have the links... :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > a good place to do that: http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=40 From lau at kudla.org Thu Dec 9 21:57:31 2010 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:57:31 -0500 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <264051.33825.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201012091657.31894.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 08 December 2010 19:51, Ivan K wrote: > A script that calls "wget". That is quite an achievement. Reminds me of the old joke about a consultant whose client demanded a detailed breakdown of his charges. Fixing one line of code with a bug in it: $1.00 Finding that line of code with a bug in it: $999.00 I didn't have a list of download URLs for free instruments, and now I do. Don't really care how trivial the script itself is, as I'll probably perl -nle 'print $1 if /wget.+(http\S+)/' it anyway. Rob From nielsmayer at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 22:35:54 2010 From: nielsmayer at gmail.com (Niels Mayer) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:35:54 -0800 Subject: [LAU] [LAA] Mixxx 1.9.0 beta1 and Mixxx 1.8.2 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, RJ Ryan wrote: > Mixxx 1.8.2 is a maintenance release and has many of the same bug fixes, > MIDI mappings, and performance improvements that 1.9.0 Beta1 does. > You can read more details about this release on our blog.?You can download > Mixxx 1.9.0b1 and Mixxx 1.8.2 from out website: http://mixxx.org. I compiled mixxx-1.9.0beta1.1 on Fedora 12 and it runs beautifully. Unlike previous versions, this one is able to successfully use ALSA directly, even while using "ondemand" cpu scaling; it allows use of multiple ALSA devices simultaneously (e.g. "SB [HDA ATI SB] [VT1708S Digital]" sending out SPDIF to the "mains" and using "SB [HDA ATI SB] [VT1708S Analog]" as headphone monitor -- all without glitching. It even works properly driving two completely different ALSA devices. Further, all the lights and controls work flawlessly on my Behringer BCD-3000 as well. Previously, for glitch-free performance in mixxx, I had to use jack. Now I can use ALSA directly, which can be useful if you have a low-power device. Next, to see how it performs on a netbook, where having a few less processes (jackd, qjackctl) might make a big difference. Any chance you can get this running on a nokia n900?? Now *that* would be cool! [[ FYI mixxx is distracting me from learning QML and running test progs on the n900, for purpose of developing http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com ]] Associated feature request: "reskin" mixxx so that the UI can be done entirely in QML and allow use of qtquick "gestures" and panels for use on touchscreen devices. This could eventually allow people to use Qt Designer to customize the controls for mixxx (custom layouts, etc) to match the resolution and use-case of the touchscreen device hosting mixxx (such as a http://PandaBoard.org -- check all the music related projects on http://omappedia.org/wiki/PEAP_Projects ) W/r/t mixxx-1.9.0beta1.1 -- this ain't no beta! Ship it!! (of course, this is after five minutes of testing). Very nice! A gift worth lighting an eighth candle for. -- Niels http://nielsmayer.com From gabrbedd at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 23:04:25 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:04:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] [LAA] Mixxx 1.9.0 beta1 and Mixxx 1.8.2 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Niels Mayer wrote: > Any chance you can get this running on a nokia n900?? Now > *that* would be cool! I doubt if the N900 has the floating point horsepower to do it. :-) And yes, Mixxx has been really rad since 1.8 !! -gabriel From siliconjoe at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 23:16:54 2010 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:16:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] usb audio interface question In-Reply-To: <4D0141EB.4030508@email.dk> References: <4CFD1F3E.7090007@email.dk> <4D013774.4010600@email.dk> <4D0141EB.4030508@email.dk> Message-ID: 2010/12/9 Atte Andr? Jensen : > On 2010-12-09 21:41, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: > > Hi, thanks for getting back to me! NP we're here all here to share ;) (Sorry for the off ML direct mail I sometimes still fail with this) :) >> Not sure about the mono to dual mono thing I'd have to >> check later, but couldn't something like this simply be accomplished >> by connecting a single input to the 2 left and right outputs via >> jackd? So I just went checking for dual mono output from a single mono input signal and it's working for the instrument input (in both guitar and mic settings). It doesn't work for the stereo line level input. Direct monitoring works on all of the of the inputs available on the unit. Cheers, -Giuseppe From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Thu Dec 9 23:54:47 2010 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:54:47 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D0137AC.6080106@gareus.org> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> <4D011461.9070409@gmail.com> <4D0137AC.6080106@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D016C47.5030205@localhost> On 12/09/2010 12:10 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/09/2010 06:39 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> On 12/09/2010 06:35 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: >>> On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: >>> >>>> Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch >>>> frequencies which >>>> produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. >>>> >>> what kernel are you running? >>> >> >>> 2.6.33.7-rt29 >>> >> >> That one ^ >> >> You tested it with yoshimi, hammond or other heavy patches? Foo-yc20 ? > > different toolset here, but I can go from naught to 16 jconvolvers, > csound, fluidsynth, ardour& jamin in a few seconds. causing the CPU > usage to jump up and change freq w/o x-runs. > > ..what does cause problems here is FSBus frequency scaling, I've > disabled that in the BIOS. Turns out that there are two parameters in my laptop's BIOS (Lenovo T510) that can disable both pci and pci express power management. I'll be darned! Guess what? The xruns are gone! Like magic!! Just on a preliminary test (I don't have all the hardware I would need here) but running with the "Ondemand" governor. This is a _golden_ tip. Thanks much! -- Fernando From nielsmayer at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 00:41:20 2010 From: nielsmayer at gmail.com (Niels Mayer) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:41:20 -0800 Subject: [LAU] [LAA] Mixxx 1.9.0 beta1 and Mixxx 1.8.2 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Niels Mayer wrote: >> Any chance you can get this running on a nokia n900?? Now *that* would be >> cool! > > I doubt if the N900 has the floating point horsepower to do it. ?:-) I would assume QtMobility has platform adaptations for the TI Omap3's DSP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP#OMAP3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_TMS320 ). The tricky part getting them used in an app like mixxx. For example, I don't see any control for sample playback rate (or other means of pitch control) in http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-mobility-snapshot/multimedia.html -- Niels http://nielsmayer.com From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Dec 10 01:13:31 2010 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:13:31 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D016C47.5030205@localhost> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> <4D011461.9070409@gmail.com> <4D0137AC.6080106@gareus.org> <4D016C47.5030205@localhost> Message-ID: <4D017EBB.9080304@localhost> On 12/09/2010 03:54 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On 12/09/2010 12:10 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: >> On 12/09/2010 06:39 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>> On 12/09/2010 06:35 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: >>>> On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: >>>> >>>>> Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch >>>>> frequencies which >>>>> produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. >>>>> >>>> what kernel are you running? >>>> >>> >>>> 2.6.33.7-rt29 >>>> >>> >>> That one ^ >>> >>> You tested it with yoshimi, hammond or other heavy patches? Foo-yc20 ? >> >> different toolset here, but I can go from naught to 16 jconvolvers, >> csound, fluidsynth, ardour& jamin in a few seconds. causing the CPU >> usage to jump up and change freq w/o x-runs. >> >> ..what does cause problems here is FSBus frequency scaling, I've >> disabled that in the BIOS. > > Turns out that there are two parameters in my laptop's BIOS (Lenovo > T510) that can disable both pci and pci express power management. > > I'll be darned! Guess what? The xruns are gone! Like magic!! Just on a > preliminary test (I don't have all the hardware I would need here) but > running with the "Ondemand" governor. > > This is a _golden_ tip. Thanks much! Ah Fernando, always jumping to conclusions before all the evidence is in :-) A more thorough test (reproducing almost all the stuff I used last time I performed live - the only thing missing are the usb controllers - reveals that the problem is different (but strangely related to power management). Everything works fine in both cases - pci/pci express power management On and Off, and using the "On Demand" governor - until I redo all Jack connections using jmess. This is what triggers problems in jackd (1.9.6). Tons of messages and xruns reported. Switching to the "Performance" governor stops the error messages, but something is left in a broken state inside jackd. For example, opening Firefox triggers xruns (remember, I switched to "Performance" so now the cpu is running at top speed). There were no xruns doing that before using jmess. Now to the more confusing part. If I turn OFF the cpuspeed daemon (/sbin/service cpuspeed stop) the xruns go away. What?? :-) So now I stop everything (all jack clients, jack itself). I restart the cpuspeed daemon. Then restart everything from scratch except for jmess and I get no xruns. Will keep investigating... it would seem that jmess is doing something (or most probably not doing something) that is really upsetting jackd. -- Fernando From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Dec 10 04:20:18 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:20:18 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Banksters - Dubby Dubstep In-Reply-To: <4CFF9FBD.7070204@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <6dac1a3f2f5aa9b1da24124d99adcd9a.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <4CFF9FBD.7070204@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <1aec462770a3d26251a3d50b48e62ce4.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Wed, December 8, 2010 7:09 am, Q wrote: > Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just uploaded this new track. It's kind of a dub/dubstep blend. With a >> bit >> of tech and some skanking riddims in the mix. >> >> http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-06.flac >> http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-06.ogg >> >> It's not "perfect" but I'm not sure how much more time I can spend on it >> so thought it would be good to get it out now while it is fresh. >> >> The ogg was normalised by ardour3 (default settings). I think the >> overall >> levels on both versions are a bit quiet in general. >> >> Recorded with hydrogen (default 303 kit), ams (basslines/fx) and >> ardour3. >> Uses the Calf Vintage delay for the delay lines. >> >> This one is not as experimental as some of my other work so maybe a bit >> more accessible. >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> > Hi Patrick > > I don't know why, but I listened to your piece. Assuming it is > representative to some degree of those genres and electronic music in > general, it only confirmed what I already know, that I don't like these > genres and can find nothing to appreciate in them. > > The piece was too repetitive and simplistic to hold my attention and > interest. I also found what I perceived to be the intended message of > the words, to be a cliched gross oversimplification that has become very > tiresome and grating in the last few years, but that subject is way, way > OT for this list. But that's not really important as the focus doesn't > seem to be on the vocals anyway. > > The mix sounded okay to me, but as already mentioned, I'm really not at > all qualified to offer any meaningful comment on it as it is far removed > from what I usually listen to. However, it was a little more accessible > than previous work of yours that I've heard. It is rather quiet, as you > suggest, with very little energy and punch. > > I suppose this is the problem -- Linux is fairly niche in music-making > circles and then genres of music can be pretty small niches as well, so > the audience is even smaller still. > > I'm a regular on the KVR Audio forums (www.kvraudio.com) and whilst > there's all sorts of music people put up there, there does seem to be a > very strong following for all sorts of electronic music. Perhaps you'd > find more of an audience and constructive criticism there (for the music > at least, sadly certainly much less so for the Linux aspects). > > Thanks for sharing and sorry for not being able to offer any > constructive criticism. > Not at all. Thanks for taking the time to listen and provide feedback. Thanks for confirmation on the levels. I will spend some more time on that aspect before I make a final export. Two people have told me that the track drags on a bit so I will look at making a condensed version. However the point of the track is partly an attempt at making people feel uncomfortable about the topic and partly an attempt at representing the exponential growth of debt caused by Banksters in the audio medium. So, for that purpose it kind of has to drag on a little to make the point. It also kind of a jab at American corporate manufactured entertainment. I find it drags on in general and is highly repetitive so I am trying to get that across in the artwork. Of course that is a fairly abstract message to relay without any context. Probably a video would help to highlight that aspect of the track. > And an off-topic aside: keep up the good work with your annual round-up > of Linux-made music. I did release something earlier in the year but it > was only a very short bit of a work-in-progress so isn't really worth > bothering about. > No problem. I have been known to use snippets as layers/mashups in past mixes so if you want to pass me a link then I might do another one this year... -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From david at indigo.uk.to Fri Dec 10 11:06:52 2010 From: david at indigo.uk.to (David Collins) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:06:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Perry Cook's singing synthesis software Message-ID: <20101210110652.GA15945@indigo.uk.to> Does anyone know if there is a version of Perry Cook's singer or SPASM for Linux? [1] Or the source code? The binary available from [2] isn't of much use - since it's for a different OS. I have used the Snd/CLM implementation, and it seems satisfactory, but I don't know how well it corresponds to the original. [1] http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~prc/SingingSynth.html [2] http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/speech/systems/spasm/0.html From hollunder at lavabit.com Fri Dec 10 09:39:43 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:39:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <201012091912.08363.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <4D0144BE.5080609@gmail.com> <201012091912.08363.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1291973787-sup-8030@eris> Excerpts from Fabio's message of 2010-12-09 22:12:08 +0100: > Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 19:06:06, rosea.grammostola escreveu: > > On 12/09/2010 09:57 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > > > On 9 December 2010 19:26, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > > > > >> Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some > > >> meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. > > >> > > > Would like to know too. Or create a page on the wiki with the links ;) > > > > > Yeah why don't you do that, you have the links... :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > a good place to do that: > http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=40 Fora are evil (tm) Maybe here: http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=free_audio_data or here? http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/soundfont_collection :) (thanks Robin) From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Fri Dec 10 10:02:43 2010 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:02:43 +0000 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth Message-ID: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Hi, I was talking to a friend this morning about a project I thought we could do together. He plays free improv piano/keyboard music - dense patterns and textures improvised in live time. I was saying that in principle it would be possible to record a piece of his music on a keyboard as a midi stream, then feed it through a softsynth in a studio and tweak the synth parameters as it's playing to produce the final piece. He liked the idea, but I'm not sure if there's a linux softsynth that would work like this. What it needs to do is: - produce sounds from a midi stream in real time, with the sound altered by tweaking various parameters (knobs and buttons). - the tweaks should be recordable so that you can play them back and re-tweak them until you get the result you want. - the feature I really want is to be able to set presets for the parameters and then fade between presets in real time. E.g. if there are two presets which both use a resonant low pass filter, I want to be able to move a single slider that moves the filter value from one to the other continuously to create a filter sweep. This is different from a fade at the audio stream level. Does anyone know of anything like this? cheers, andy From julien at c-lab.de Fri Dec 10 10:25:44 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:25:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Andy! What kind of sound are you looking for in general? More of an analogue synth sound, a real piano or what? In general you can record a piece with rosegarden or any other of the big MIDI sequencers. They would record knob and slider movements from a MIDI keyboard, while it is played. You might also record some controller movements in a seperate track and use them to control some kind of effect plugin, so this would be in the audio domain, in the sense, that the effect (filter or whateve) is an audio plugin and not part of the MIDI synth you use to generate the sound. For good pianos you might use LinuxSampler with one of the free grandpianos (or a bought one). I think LinuxSampler also has a simple filter. For some of the basic "effects" like filter, volume and portamento there are standard controls. I think even for a simple volume ADSR, but I'm not sure LinuxSampler reacts to them. If you want to go synth, then the field is big. You have some DSSI plugins, you have Bristol, which is nice, because you can attach a certain controller on your keyboard to a certain parameter of the synth. There's Yoshimi which is a purely waveform based synth. It specialises in lovely pads, choirs and the like. I think if your MIDI controls, used during the original performance, don't correspond to the MIDI controls needed for your final synth tweaking, you might be able to map them in a good MIDI sequencer or using some kind of MIDI filter/mapper. You really should be able to find the software you need on Linux. It only depends on what you need exactly. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From robin at linuxaudio.org Fri Dec 10 11:08:24 2010 From: robin at linuxaudio.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:08:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <1291973787-sup-8030@eris> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <4D0144BE.5080609@gmail.com> <201012091912.08363.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1291973787-sup-8030@eris> Message-ID: <755EFC81-9A7C-4678-B03D-3DD5D8AD5C31@linuxaudio.org> On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Excerpts from Fabio's message of 2010-12-09 22:12:08 +0100: >> Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 19:06:06, rosea.grammostola escreveu: >>> On 12/09/2010 09:57 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >>>> On 9 December 2010 19:26, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some >>>>> meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. >>>>> >>>> Would like to know too. Or create a page on the wiki with the links ;) >>>> >>> Yeah why don't you do that, you have the links... :) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >>> >> >> a good place to do that: >> http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=40 > > Fora are evil (tm) > > Maybe here: http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=free_audio_data > or > here? http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/soundfont_collection :) (thanks > Robin) I did follow the link to the LM forum, got a "You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum." message, and in order to get over my anger I whipped up an awk one-liner to make Rosea's script into a wikipage. Actually the best way to keep this data would be a nested array in a git repository: - keep link collecting independent from the tool(s) that downloads the files - allow for various tools to use this information. anyway http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/_export/raw/wiki/soundfont_collection is not too hard to be parsed: every line matching /^ \*/ is a description for the following lines containing just links: /^ \*/ 2c, robin From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 11:49:39 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:49:39 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <755EFC81-9A7C-4678-B03D-3DD5D8AD5C31@linuxaudio.org> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <4D0144BE.5080609@gmail.com> <201012091912.08363.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1291973787-sup-8030@eris> <755EFC81-9A7C-4678-B03D-3DD5D8AD5C31@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <4D0213D3.5040507@gmail.com> On 12/10/2010 12:08 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > >> Excerpts from Fabio's message of 2010-12-09 22:12:08 +0100: >> >>> Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 19:06:06, rosea.grammostola escreveu: >>> >>>> On 12/09/2010 09:57 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9 December 2010 19:26, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some >>>>>> meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Would like to know too. Or create a page on the wiki with the links ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yeah why don't you do that, you have the links... :) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >>>> >>>> >>> a good place to do that: >>> http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=40 >>> >> Fora are evil (tm) >> >> Maybe here: http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=free_audio_data >> or >> here? http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/soundfont_collection :) (thanks >> Robin) >> > I did follow the link to the LM forum, got a "You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum." message, > Afaik there is one 'privat' part of the forum (the rehearsal room) for people who like to get feedback on their music / singing etc. but don't want the whole world to listen to their first time trying to sing some melody ;) \r From robin at linuxaudio.org Fri Dec 10 12:00:25 2010 From: robin at linuxaudio.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:00:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] lau free audio data (script) In-Reply-To: <755EFC81-9A7C-4678-B03D-3DD5D8AD5C31@linuxaudio.org> References: <4CFFFD39.6070303@gmail.com> <4D0144BE.5080609@gmail.com> <201012091912.08363.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1291973787-sup-8030@eris> <755EFC81-9A7C-4678-B03D-3DD5D8AD5C31@linuxaudio.org> Message-ID: <4D021659.2060307@linuxaudio.org> On 12/10/2010 12:08 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > >> Excerpts from Fabio's message of 2010-12-09 22:12:08 +0100: >>> Em quinta-feira 09 dezembro 2010, ?s 19:06:06, rosea.grammostola escreveu: >>>> On 12/09/2010 09:57 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >>>>> On 9 December 2010 19:26, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Are the links in a wiki somewhere? Maybe as a list + some >>>>>> meta-information? Would be more useful IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>> Would like to know too. Or create a page on the wiki with the links ;) >>>>> >>>> Yeah why don't you do that, you have the links... :) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >>>> >>> >>> a good place to do that: >>> http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=40 >> >> Fora are evil (tm) >> >> Maybe here: http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=free_audio_data >> or >> here? http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/soundfont_collection :) (thanks >> Robin) > > I did follow the link to the LM forum, got a "You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum." message, > and in order to get over my anger I whipped up an awk one-liner to make Rosea's script into a wikipage. > > Actually the best way to keep this data would be a nested array in a git repository: > - keep link collecting independent from the tool(s) that downloads the files > - allow for various tools to use this information. > > anyway http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/_export/raw/wiki/soundfont_collection is not too hard to be parsed: > every line matching /^ \*/ is a description for the following lines containing just links: /^ \*/ http://rg42.org/gitweb/?p=scripts.git;a=blob_plain;f=lau_soundfonts.php is a simple PHP script that gets the list from the wiki, and queries the file-size of each of the links.. I've used it to detect dead-links. Anyway it should be easy enough to extend it to download the stuff as well. Detecting the file-format and calling unzip or tar and sorting them into subfolders is left as an exercise.. Cheers! robin From peter at fuzzle.org Fri Dec 10 12:02:43 2010 From: peter at fuzzle.org (Peter Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:02:43 +0000 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: <1291982563.2823.12.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 10:02 +0000, andy baxter wrote: > Hi, > > I was talking to a friend this morning about a project I thought we > could do together. He plays free improv piano/keyboard music - dense > patterns and textures improvised in live time. I was saying that in > principle it would be possible to record a piece of his music on a > keyboard as a midi stream, then feed it through a softsynth in a studio > and tweak the synth parameters as it's playing to produce the final piece. Hi Andy, You probably want two separate programs: something to record the MIDI, and a softsynth. I'd probably use ardour 3 (beware of dragons) to record the MIDI data, and any mix of synths to get the required sound. Only problem might be if you used the synth's GUI to tweak sound parameters; they wouldn't be recorded. Peter. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Dec 10 12:08:51 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 07:08:51 -0500 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <1291982563.2823.12.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <1291982563.2823.12.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Peter Nelson wrote: > I'd probably use ardour 3 (beware of dragons) to record the MIDI data, > and any mix of synths to get the required sound. not sure this a great suggestion for a newcomer to "all this", but anyway ... QTractor would probably be a better idea for the next couple of months. > Only problem might be if you used the synth's GUI to tweak sound > parameters; they wouldn't be recorded. not true in ardour3, which has full automation of all MIDI CC controls. From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Fri Dec 10 13:09:10 2010 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:09:10 +0000 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: <4D022676.9050001@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> On 10/12/10 10:25, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Andy! > What kind of sound are you looking for in general? More of an > analogue synth sound, a real piano or what? > In general you can record a piece with rosegarden or any other of > the big MIDI sequencers. They would record knob and slider movements > from a MIDI keyboard, while it is played. You might also record some > controller movements in a seperate track and use them to control some > kind of effect plugin, so this would be in the audio domain, in the > sense, that the effect (filter or whateve) is an audio plugin and not > part of the MIDI synth you use to generate the sound. > For good pianos you might use LinuxSampler with one of the free > grandpianos (or a bought one). I think LinuxSampler also has a simple > filter. For some of the basic "effects" like filter, volume and > portamento there are standard controls. I think even for a simple > volume ADSR, but I'm not sure LinuxSampler reacts to them. > If you want to go synth, then the field is big. You have some DSSI > plugins, you have Bristol, which is nice, because you can attach a > certain controller on your keyboard to a certain parameter of the > synth. There's Yoshimi which is a purely waveform based synth. It > specialises in lovely pads, choirs and the like. > I think if your MIDI controls, used during the original performance, > don't correspond to the MIDI controls needed for your final synth > tweaking, you might be able to map them in a good MIDI sequencer or > using some kind of MIDI filter/mapper. > You really should be able to find the software you need on Linux. It > only depends on what you need exactly. > Kind regards > Julien Hi julien, Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of a synthy sound, where the sound is generated from oscillators and filters, rather than a wavetable based synth. andy From capoeirista at arcor.de Fri Dec 10 13:23:36 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:23:36 -0200 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D022676.9050001@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D022676.9050001@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: <201012101123.37287.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 11:09:10, andy baxter escreveu: > I was thinking of a synthy sound, where the sound is generated from > oscillators and filters i like htat one: http://code.google.com/p/amsynth/ From lsd at wootangent.net Fri Dec 10 13:32:08 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:32:08 +1100 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <1291982563.2823.12.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <1291987928.22086.3.camel@ruiner> On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 07:08 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Peter Nelson wrote: > > I'd probably use ardour 3 (beware of dragons) to record the MIDI data, > > and any mix of synths to get the required sound. > > not sure this a great suggestion for a newcomer to "all this", but anyway ... > QTractor would probably be a better idea for the next couple of months. Yep, Qtractor should work just fine for the MIDI recording part of this. For the synth part, I'd look at PHASEX (or the updated phasex-dev fork), which has been discussed recently on the list. It can make some nice sounds, but more importantly, it's very MIDI controllable -- you can right-click on any control to map it to a MIDI CC very easily. If you can send CC messages from knobs on your controller, and record them in to Qtractor, you can program PHASEX to respond to them. Thanks Leigh > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From capoeirista at arcor.de Fri Dec 10 14:00:13 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:00:13 -0200 Subject: [LAU] zita at1 Message-ID: <201012101200.14036.capoeirista@arcor.de> Is the develepor on this list? would be nice to be able to enter values instead of only using th knobs. For example, if you change the "offset" you want it to be exactly Fabio From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 14:30:01 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:30:01 -0600 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <201012101123.37287.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D022676.9050001@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <201012101123.37287.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Fabio wrote: > i like htat one: > http://code.google.com/p/amsynth/ I had no idea that amsynth was still around! good to see that it is. -- Josh Lawrence "Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be not prejudiced against names unknown to you." ~Robert Schumann From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 10 14:34:09 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:34:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D022676.9050001@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <201012101123.37287.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D023A61.8090009@autostatic.com> On 12/10/2010 03:30 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: > I had no idea that amsynth was still around! good to see that it is. 1.2.3 wasn't released that long ago and there's a 1.3 beta available too. I like amSynth, simple, MIDI controllable and it can produce some real dirty sounds. Best, Jeremy From compose59 at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 14:47:27 2010 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:47:27 +0300 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D023A61.8090009@autostatic.com> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D022676.9050001@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <201012101123.37287.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D023A61.8090009@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/10/2010 03:30 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: >> I had no idea that amsynth was still around! ?good to see that it is. > > 1.2.3 wasn't released that long ago and there's a 1.3 beta available > too. I like amSynth, simple, MIDI controllable and it can produce some > real dirty sounds. > > Best, > > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > And Jackmidi too. Impressive. Alex. -- www.openoctave.org midi-subscribe at openoctave.org development-subscribe at openoctave.org From capoeirista at arcor.de Fri Dec 10 15:09:24 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:09:24 -0200 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D023A61.8090009@autostatic.com> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D023A61.8090009@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <201012101309.25079.capoeirista@arcor.de> lets not forget Bristol: http://bristol.sourceforge.net/ it was kinf of dificult (buggy?) to handel last time i used it though (long time) Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:34:09, Jeremy Jongepier escreveu: > On 12/10/2010 03:30 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > I had no idea that amsynth was still around! good to see that it is. > > 1.2.3 wasn't released that long ago and there's a 1.3 beta available > too. I like amSynth, simple, MIDI controllable and it can produce some > real dirty sounds. > > Best, > > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Fri Dec 10 15:15:00 2010 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:15:00 +0000 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <201012101309.25079.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D023A61.8090009@autostatic.com> <201012101309.25079.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D0243F4.6070002@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> I've just been checking out bristol and it looks really cool so far apart from there are some glitches in the sound (which might not be there if i used jackd and a real time kernel?) ' On 10/12/10 15:09, Fabio wrote: > lets not forget Bristol: http://bristol.sourceforge.net/ > it was kinf of dificult (buggy?) to handel last time i used it though (long time) > > Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:34:09, Jeremy Jongepier escreveu: >> On 12/10/2010 03:30 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: >>> I had no idea that amsynth was still around! good to see that it is. >> 1.2.3 wasn't released that long ago and there's a 1.3 beta available >> too. I like amSynth, simple, MIDI controllable and it can produce some >> real dirty sounds. >> >> Best, >> >> Jeremy >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Fri Dec 10 15:16:17 2010 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:16:17 +0000 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <201012101123.37287.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D022676.9050001@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <201012101123.37287.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D024441.90005@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> On 10/12/10 13:23, Fabio wrote: > Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 11:09:10, andy baxter escreveu: >> I was thinking of a synthy sound, where the sound is generated from >> oscillators and filters > i like htat one: > http://code.google.com/p/amsynth/ > _ Thanks - this one might be good to start with at least. From capoeirista at arcor.de Fri Dec 10 15:23:46 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:23:46 -0200 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D0243F4.6070002@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <201012101309.25079.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D0243F4.6070002@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: <201012101323.46330.capoeirista@arcor.de> it always had some performance-issues. can't help though since its been a long time ago i last used it Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 13:15:00, andy baxter escreveu: > I've just been checking out bristol and it looks really cool so far > apart from there are some glitches in the sound (which might not be > there if i used jackd and a real time kernel?) > ' > On 10/12/10 15:09, Fabio wrote: > > lets not forget Bristol: http://bristol.sourceforge.net/ > > it was kinf of dificult (buggy?) to handel last time i used it though (long time) > > > > Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:34:09, Jeremy Jongepier escreveu: > >> On 12/10/2010 03:30 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: > >>> I had no idea that amsynth was still around! good to see that it is. > >> 1.2.3 wasn't released that long ago and there's a 1.3 beta available > >> too. I like amSynth, simple, MIDI controllable and it can produce some > >> real dirty sounds. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Jeremy > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Linux-audio-user mailing list > >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Fri Dec 10 16:12:56 2010 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (andy baxter) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:12:56 +0000 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: <4D025188.6020203@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> On 10/12/10 10:02, andy baxter wrote: > Hi, > > I was talking to a friend this morning about a project I thought we > could do together. He plays free improv piano/keyboard music - dense > patterns and textures improvised in live time. I was saying that in > principle it would be possible to record a piece of his music on a > keyboard as a midi stream, then feed it through a softsynth in a > studio and tweak the synth parameters as it's playing to produce the > final piece. > > He liked the idea, but I'm not sure if there's a linux softsynth that > would work like this. What it needs to do is: > > - produce sounds from a midi stream in real time, with the sound > altered by tweaking various parameters (knobs and buttons). > - the tweaks should be recordable so that you can play them back and > re-tweak them until you get the result you want. > - the feature I really want is to be able to set presets for the > parameters and then fade between presets in real time. E.g. if there > are two presets which both use a resonant low pass filter, I want to > be able to move a single slider that moves the filter value from one > to the other continuously to create a filter sweep. This is different > from a fade at the audio stream level. Thanks for all the replies so far. Has anyone seen a program which does anything like what I've described in the last item above? If not, I might have a go at writing my own in supercollider or python. The idea would be that you could play with all the parameters of a synth to get a sound you liked, tell the program to record those settings as midi CC values, do the same again to get a different sound, record those settings, and then be able to morph between the two with a crossfade slider. Then for live performance you would have a DJ like interface where you could load different patch settings into either end of the crossfade, start with one and morph to the other whilst playing, with the controllers all varying smoothly at the same time to take you from one sound to the other. thanks, andy From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 10 17:10:35 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:10:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] zita at1 In-Reply-To: <201012101200.14036.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012101200.14036.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101210171035.GC28600@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:00:13PM -0200, Fabio wrote: > Is the develepor on this list? > > would be nice to be able to enter values instead of only using th knobs. For example, if you change the "offset" you want it to be exactly > > The developer is Fons, and he's definitely on this list. Looking at the source, the GUI appears to be in Cairo. I dunno anything about cairo, but if it's like most GUI toolsets, you'd have to add a text box in there to type in a value. I see there's a jclient.cc class in there that does JACK MIDI, and a Jclient::midi_process where it checks for notes or CC's. Probably wouldn't be too hard to hack that to accept MIDI CC's for setting tuning, pitch, or other values too, though there are only 127 steps in MIDI CC's and you might want more. -ken From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 10 17:16:49 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:16:49 -0800 Subject: [LAU] looking for a midi recording softsynth In-Reply-To: <4D025188.6020203@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> References: <4D01FAC3.70204@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> <4D025188.6020203@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> Message-ID: <20101210171649.GD28600@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:12:56PM +0000, andy baxter wrote: > On 10/12/10 10:02, andy baxter wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was talking to a friend this morning about a project I thought we >> could do together. He plays free improv piano/keyboard music - dense >> patterns and textures improvised in live time. I was saying that in >> principle it would be possible to record a piece of his music on a >> keyboard as a midi stream, then feed it through a softsynth in a >> studio and tweak the synth parameters as it's playing to produce the >> final piece. >> >> He liked the idea, but I'm not sure if there's a linux softsynth that >> would work like this. What it needs to do is: >> >> - produce sounds from a midi stream in real time, with the sound >> altered by tweaking various parameters (knobs and buttons). >> - the tweaks should be recordable so that you can play them back and >> re-tweak them until you get the result you want. >> - the feature I really want is to be able to set presets for the >> parameters and then fade between presets in real time. E.g. if there >> are two presets which both use a resonant low pass filter, I want to >> be able to move a single slider that moves the filter value from one >> to the other continuously to create a filter sweep. This is different >> from a fade at the audio stream level. > > Thanks for all the replies so far. > > Has anyone seen a program which does anything like what I've described > in the last item above? If not, I might have a go at writing my own in > supercollider or python. The idea would be that you could play with all > the parameters of a synth to get a sound you liked, tell the program to > record those settings as midi CC values, do the same again to get a > different sound, record those settings, and then be able to morph > between the two with a crossfade slider. Then for live performance you > would have a DJ like interface where you could load different patch > settings into either end of the crossfade, start with one and morph to > the other whilst playing, with the controllers all varying smoothly at > the same time to take you from one sound to the other. > I used to use Seq24 for this. I'd record a part, just the notes, then I'd on a separate track, overdub in my messing around with all the knobs and buttons, recorded via MIDI CC's. Was kind of useful for improv, since I'd have a few tracks of performance (notes) and a few tracks of various parameter tweakages, and I could mix and match them pseudo-randomly by muting/unmuting. I also have had good luck with PHASEX for doing crazy synthy experimental sounding stuff. I think with Seq224 and an array of linux softsynths with good MIDI control capabilities (PHASEX, Amsynth, AMS, whatever), and a good MIDI controller with lots of buttons and knobs, you could really get out there with experimental improv stuff. -ken From capoeirista at arcor.de Fri Dec 10 17:26:20 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:26:20 -0200 Subject: [LAU] zita at1 In-Reply-To: <20101210171035.GC28600@aieee.restivo.org> References: <201012101200.14036.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101210171035.GC28600@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <201012101526.21012.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 15:10:35, voc? escreveu: > though there are only 127 steps in MIDI CC's and you might want more no no, the offset is a pitchshifter that goes from -2 semitons to +2 semitons. I just want to be able to regulate it exectly to +1 for example. let's se if the dev responds (i don't know nothing about programing) thank you verry much Fabio From cicloesano at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 17:35:33 2010 From: cicloesano at gmail.com (ciclo esano) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:35:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Converting binary digital data in PCM Message-ID: Dear guys we have a set of digital data acquired in the time domain by an analytical instrument, stored as 32-bit long integer (little-endian). Each sample contains mixed audio signals (10Hz - 20kHz) which decay exponentially in a couple of seconds. I need to convert that data in an audio format (PCM ob better WAV) which can be easily played by any multimedia player. Unfortunately I have no idea on how to start with this project. Can anyone give to me some advise? Sincerely max -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at kokkinizita.net Fri Dec 10 17:56:14 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:56:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] zita at1 In-Reply-To: <20101210171035.GC28600@aieee.restivo.org> References: <201012101200.14036.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101210171035.GC28600@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101210175614.GB4069@zita2> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 09:10:35AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > Looking at the source, the GUI appears to be in Cairo. I dunno anything about cairo, but if it's like most GUI toolsets, you'd have to add a text box in there to type in a value. Cairo is not a GUI toolset but a vector drawing library. Within the application it's used only to draw the line on he knobs. Everything else is rendered from precomputed images, and these are made by pycairo. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 10 18:12:44 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:12:44 -0800 Subject: [LAU] zita at1 In-Reply-To: <20101210175614.GB4069@zita2> References: <201012101200.14036.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101210171035.GC28600@aieee.restivo.org> <20101210175614.GB4069@zita2> Message-ID: <20101210181244.GE28600@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 06:56:14PM +0100, fons at kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 09:10:35AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Looking at the source, the GUI appears to be in Cairo. I dunno anything about cairo, but if it's like most GUI toolsets, you'd have to add a text box in there to type in a value. > > Cairo is not a GUI toolset but a vector drawing library. Within the > application it's used only to draw the line on he knobs. Everything > else is rendered from precomputed images, and these are made by pycairo. > Gotcha, thanks. Hmm. So, no GTK, no widget sets, just vector drawing primitives. Tight and efficient, but no text boxes either, then, unless someone wants to try to port the thing to GTK/GNOME or whatever. I've been wanting to play around with this-- our singer would get a kick out of sounding like T-Pain for a song or two--, and MIDI CC's would be my preferred way to control it anyway. Is that on your roadmap for it? -ken From fons at kokkinizita.net Fri Dec 10 18:51:28 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:51:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] zita at1 In-Reply-To: <20101210181244.GE28600@aieee.restivo.org> References: <201012101200.14036.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101210171035.GC28600@aieee.restivo.org> <20101210175614.GB4069@zita2> <20101210181244.GE28600@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101210185128.GD4069@zita2> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:12:44AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > Hmm. So, no GTK, no widget sets, just vector drawing primitives. Tight and efficient, but no text boxes either, then, unless someone wants to try to port the thing to GTK/GNOME or whatever. The 'GUI toolset' is libclxclient which provides a (thin) C++ abstraction of X11, and some widgets (including a textbox, in this case used for output only). The zita-*** apps also use some new widgets which are currently part of the sources for those apps but will find their way into a new libclxclient when they are considered 'mature'. > I've been wanting to play around with this-- our singer would get a kick out of sounding like T-Pain for a song or two--, and MIDI CC's would be my preferred way to control it anyway. Is that on your roadmap for it? Not really. Most controls have more steps than MIDI provides (e.g. 400 for 'Tuning' and 'Offset'), and they are 'set and forget' anyway, not performance controls you'd want to adjust all the time. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From fons at kokkinizita.net Fri Dec 10 18:55:37 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:55:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 Message-ID: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> An update of zita-at1 is available at the usual place: . Changes: * The resampler now uses cubic interpolation (at twice the sample rate for 44.1 and 48 kHz), giving even cleaner output. * The offset control now has 400 steps of exactly 1 cent (1/100 semitone) each, and displays the set value when touched. Default mousewheel step is 10 cents, 1 cent with Shift pressed. Enjoy ! -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From capoeirista at arcor.de Fri Dec 10 19:03:36 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:03:36 -0200 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 Message-ID: <201012101703.37160.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em sexta-feira 10 dezembro 2010, ?s 16:55:37, fons at kokkinizita.net escreveu: > The offset control now has 400 steps of exactly 1 > cent (1/100 semitone) each, and displays the set > value when touched. Default mousewheel step is 10 > cents, 1 cent with Shift pressed. verry nice, nothing more is needed tried 3 "autotuners" and yours is the only one usable (for me). Thanks for that soft From lau at kudla.org Fri Dec 10 19:40:07 2010 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:40:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Converting binary digital data in PCM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012101440.07693.lau@kudla.org> On Friday 10 December 2010 12:35, ciclo esano wrote: > we have a set of digital data acquired in the time domain by an > analytical instrument, stored as 32-bit long integer (little-endian). ... > I need to convert that data in an audio format (PCM ob better WAV) which > can be easily played by any multimedia player. The command line program sox should be able to handle that, if you use its command line switches to force it to treat your data as 32-bit samples at a particular rate. I think Audacity will also import raw waveform data and prompt you for bits per sample, rate and number of channels, but it's been a while since I tried. Rob From lists.stackp at online.fr Sat Dec 11 09:36:04 2010 From: lists.stackp at online.fr (Pierre) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:36:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Converting binary digital data in PCM In-Reply-To: <201012101440.07693.lau@kudla.org> References: <201012101440.07693.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <4D034604.7050000@online.fr> > The command line program sox should be able to handle that. Indeed, this should work: sox -e raw -b 32 -c 1 -r SAMPLERATE --endian little data.raw -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 sound.wav (change SAMPLERATE to the sampling rate in Hertz of your analytical instrument, data.raw to your input file name, and sound.wav to your output file name). Cheers, Pierre From cicloesano at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 10:28:14 2010 From: cicloesano at gmail.com (ciclo esano) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:28:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Converting binary digital data in PCM In-Reply-To: <4D034604.7050000@online.fr> References: <201012101440.07693.lau@kudla.org> <4D034604.7050000@online.fr> Message-ID: Thank you Bob and Pierre, I will try to use sox as first attempt and I will report my results. Moreover the information about bit rate, channel and everything concerning audio file is very difficult to apply here, since the raw data are coming from a digitizer after several downsampling processes to have all the signals in the audio range (in fact they arise from the high frequency of nuclear spins, hundreds of MHz) C ___ 2010/12/11 Pierre > The command line program sox should be able to handle that. >> > > Indeed, this should work: > > sox -e raw -b 32 -c 1 -r SAMPLERATE --endian little data.raw -b 16 -c 1 -r > 44100 sound.wav > > (change SAMPLERATE to the sampling rate in Hertz of your analytical > instrument, data.raw to your input file name, and sound.wav to your output > file name). > > Cheers, > Pierre > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plessas at mur.at Sat Dec 11 13:58:46 2010 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 14:58:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] make uninstall, libclthreads versions, Message-ID: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> Dear Fons, Have you thought about adding a "make uninstall" target in your Makefiles? I have a rather hard time figuring out how to uninstall eg. libclthreads from my system. A second question: Can I have clthreads-2.4.0 and clthreads-2.2.1 installed next to each other? Thank you for all this wonderful software! best regards, P. From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 11 14:08:20 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:08:20 -0200 Subject: [LAU] make uninstall, libclthreads versions, In-Reply-To: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> References: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> Message-ID: <201012111208.20486.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em s?bado 11 dezembro 2010, ?s 11:58:46, Peter Plessas escreveu: > Dear Fons, > > Have you thought about adding a "make uninstall" target in your > Makefiles? I have a rather hard time figuring out how to uninstall eg. > libclthreads from my system. > > A second question: > Can I have clthreads-2.4.0 and clthreads-2.2.1 installed next to each other? > > Thank you for all this wonderful software! > > best regards, > P. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > since I use Arch I never compiled anything again....and if I would I could use ABS (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System) From fons at kokkinizita.net Sat Dec 11 14:45:31 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:45:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] make uninstall, libclthreads versions, In-Reply-To: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> References: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> Message-ID: <20101211144531.GD4079@zita2> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 02:58:46PM +0100, Peter Plessas wrote: > Have you thought about adding a "make uninstall" target in your > Makefiles? I have a rather hard time figuring out how to uninstall eg. > libclthreads from my system. Will think of it ! Normally it's easy enough to do manually, and the libs don't take much place. > A second question: > Can I have clthreads-2.4.0 and clthreads-2.2.1 installed next to each other? You can have both on your disk, but only the most recent one will be used. If you look in your /usr/local/lib or /usr/lib directory, you will find something like this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jan 24 2010 libclthreads.so -> libclthreads.so.2.4.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jan 24 2010 libclthreads.so.2 -> libclthreads.so.2.4.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31334 Jan 24 2010 libclthreads.so.2.4.0 The two symbolic links are created by 'make install'. When you compile and link a program, the *.so one is actually used, the linker discovers it points to *.so.2.4.0 and will leave a mark in the binary saying it needs the *.so.2 file at run time. So even if you have 2.2.1, it will never be used if 2.4.0 was installed more recently. You can have two versions of a library *if* the major version number (the first, 2 in this case) is different. If it is the same, the most recent one should be binary compatible with the older one, so the older one is not needed. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From hollunder at lavabit.com Sat Dec 11 14:51:04 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:51:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] make uninstall, libclthreads versions, In-Reply-To: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> References: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> Message-ID: <1292078715-sup-328@eris> Excerpts from Peter Plessas's message of 2010-12-11 14:58:46 +0100: > Dear Fons, > > Have you thought about adding a "make uninstall" target in your > Makefiles? I have a rather hard time figuring out how to uninstall eg. > libclthreads from my system. > > A second question: > Can I have clthreads-2.4.0 and clthreads-2.2.1 installed next to each other? > > Thank you for all this wonderful software! > > best regards, > P. Is there a reason why you'd want clthreads-2.4.0 and clthreads-2.2.1 at the same time? As far as I understand the homepage it talks about minimal required versions. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 14:51:16 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:51:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen Jack Transport problem Message-ID: <4D038FE4.50209@gmail.com> Hi, Are the Hydrogen devs aware of Syncing problems, for example Qtractor with Hydrogen? I heard at least two people complaining about it. Imho Hydrogen looses much of it's potential when Jack Tranport is not working properly. I just want to report it, I don't use Hydrogen myself a lot these days though, so I am afraid I can't help you more then just reporting it. Regards, \r From gabrbedd at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 15:43:17 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:43:17 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen Jack Transport problem In-Reply-To: <4D038FE4.50209@gmail.com> References: <4D038FE4.50209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012110943.17816.gabrbedd@gmail.com> On Saturday, December 11, 2010 08:51:16 am rosea.grammostola wrote: > Are the Hydrogen devs aware of Syncing problems, for > example Qtractor with Hydrogen? I heard at least two > people complaining about it. Imho Hydrogen looses much > of it's potential when Jack Tranport is not working > properly. They have an active mailing list. Perhaps you should contact them and report the specific problems that you're having (and which version of H2). https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hydrogen-devel -gabriel From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Dec 11 15:53:17 2010 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:53:17 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen Jack Transport problem In-Reply-To: <4D038FE4.50209@gmail.com> References: <4D038FE4.50209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D039E6D.3050507@rncbc.org> On 12/11/2010 02:51 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > Are the Hydrogen devs aware of Syncing problems, for example Qtractor > with Hydrogen? I heard at least two people complaining about it. Imho > Hydrogen looses much of it's potential when Jack Tranport is not working > properly. > > I just want to report it, I don't use Hydrogen myself a lot these days > though, so I am afraid I can't help you more then just reporting it. > why blame h2 only? fwiw, i may judge that any qtractor version before the last one released (< 0.4.7) should be left burning at the stake too :) cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From fons at kokkinizita.net Sat Dec 11 15:51:05 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:51:05 +0100 Subject: [LAU] make uninstall, libclthreads versions, In-Reply-To: <1292078715-sup-328@eris> References: <4D038396.2070906@mur.at> <1292078715-sup-328@eris> Message-ID: <20101211155105.GE4079@zita2> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 03:51:04PM +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > >From reading the Makefile of clthreads-2.4.0 I gather that it installs > two files and a link, so there's not much to uninstall. Not sure what > ldconfig does though. Anyway, package management can easily take care of > this kind of stuff. ldconfig adds the second link and updates a database (/etc/ld.so.cache) used by the dynamic linker. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 15:52:06 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea grammostola) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:52:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen Jack Transport problem In-Reply-To: <4D039E6D.3050507@rncbc.org> References: <4D038FE4.50209@gmail.com> <4D039E6D.3050507@rncbc.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > On 12/11/2010 02:51 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Are the Hydrogen devs aware of Syncing problems, for example Qtractor > > with Hydrogen? I heard at least two people complaining about it. Imho > > Hydrogen looses much of it's potential when Jack Tranport is not working > > properly. > > > > I just want to report it, I don't use Hydrogen myself a lot these days > > though, so I am afraid I can't help you more then just reporting it. > > > > why blame h2 only? fwiw, i may judge that any qtractor version before > the last one released (< 0.4.7) should be left burning at the stake too :) > What?!@$$%???? , even Rui's app not working well with Jack Transport, shame on you! :) Good to know that it *might* be not Hydrogens fault... \r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Dec 11 16:08:11 2010 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:08:11 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen Jack Transport problem In-Reply-To: References: <4D038FE4.50209@gmail.com> <4D039E6D.3050507@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <4D03A1EB.1070207@rncbc.org> On 12/11/2010 03:52 PM, rosea grammostola wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Rui Nuno Capela > wrote: > > On 12/11/2010 02:51 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Are the Hydrogen devs aware of Syncing problems, for example Qtractor > > with Hydrogen? I heard at least two people complaining about it. Imho > > Hydrogen looses much of it's potential when Jack Tranport is not > working > > properly. > > > > I just want to report it, I don't use Hydrogen myself a lot these days > > though, so I am afraid I can't help you more then just reporting it. > > > > why blame h2 only? fwiw, i may judge that any qtractor version before > the last one released (< 0.4.7) should be left burning at the stake > too :) > > > > What?!@$$%???? , even Rui's app not working well with Jack Transport, > shame on you! :) > > Good to know that it _might_ be not Hydrogens fault... > well, h2 and qtractor are two sequencers for their own sake that just run for the same shared resource which is jack transport state -- what i've thought to imply was that qtractor >= 0.4.7 might (just might) behave a lot more friendlier and indulging when in presence of a competing jack transport master (if that term ever exists) cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From oivanenko at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 16:07:36 2010 From: oivanenko at gmail.com (Oleg Ivanenko) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:07:36 +0300 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> Message-ID: 2010/12/10 > > An update of zita-at1 is available at the usual place: > > . > > Changes: > > * The resampler now uses cubic interpolation (at twice > ?the sample rate for 44.1 and 48 kHz), giving even > ?cleaner output. > > * The offset control now has 400 steps of exactly 1 > ?cent (1/100 semitone) each, and displays the set > ?value when touched. Default mousewheel step is 10 > ?cents, 1 cent with Shift pressed. > > Enjoy ! > > -- > FA > > There are three of them, and Alleline. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Hi, Fons! Thank you very much for new release, but it is do not working for me unlike previous release(0.1.1) unfortunately :( It is compiled and installed without any errors: root at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source# make g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o zita-at1.o zita-at1.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o styles.o styles.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o jclient.o jclient.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o mainwin.o mainwin.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o png2img.o png2img.cc png2img.cc: In function ?XImage* png2img(const char*, X_display*, XftColor*)?: png2img.cc:45: warning: ignoring return value of ?size_t fread(void*, size_t, size_t, FILE*)?, declared with attribute warn_unused_result g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o guiclass.o guiclass.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o button.o button.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o rotary.o rotary.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o tmeter.o tmeter.cc g++ ?-O2 -ffast-math -Wall -MMD -MP -DVERSION=\"0.2.0\" -DSHARED=\"/usr/local/share/zita-at1\" -march=native -I/usr/X11R6/include `freetype-config --cflags` ?-c -o retuner.o retuner.cc g++ -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o zita-at1 zita-at1.o styles.o jclient.o mainwin.o png2img.o guiclass.o button.o rotary.o tmeter.o retuner.o -lcairo -lclxclient -lclthreads -lzita-resampler -lfftw3f -ljack -lpng -lXft -lX11 -lrt root at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source# make install install -d /usr/local/bin install -d /usr/local/share/zita-at1 install -m 755 zita-at1 /usr/local/bin rm -rf /usr/local/share/zita-at1/* install -m 644 ../share/* /usr/local/share/zita-at1 When I try to execute zita-at1: ash at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons$ zita-at1 Segmentation fault I have?libclalsadrv.so.2.0.0,?libclthreads.so.2.4.0 & libclxclient.so.3.6.1 installed in?/usr/local/lib What am I doing wrong? -- Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash [if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny] From fons at kokkinizita.net Sat Dec 11 16:42:08 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:42:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> Message-ID: <20101211164208.GF4079@zita2> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 07:07:36PM +0300, Oleg Ivanenko wrote: > What am I doing wrong? > -- > Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash > [if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny] You must do a 'make install'. It will not run from the build directory. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From oivanenko at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 17:06:26 2010 From: oivanenko at gmail.com (Oleg Ivanenko) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:06:26 +0300 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: <20101211164208.GF4079@zita2> References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> <20101211164208.GF4079@zita2> Message-ID: 2010/12/11 : > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 07:07:36PM +0300, Oleg Ivanenko wrote: > >> What am I doing wrong? >> -- >> Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash >> [if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny] > > You must do a 'make install'. It will not run from the > build directory. > > Ciao, > > -- > FA > > There are three of them, and Alleline. > > Fons, as You can see, in my previous message was strings: root at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source# make install install -d /usr/local/bin install -d /usr/local/share/zita-at1 install -m 755 zita-at1 /usr/local/bin rm -rf /usr/local/share/zita-at1/* install -m 644 ../share/* /usr/local/share/zita-at1 So, zita-at1 WAS installed from "source-dir" /mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source And then, I have tried to launch zita-at1 from other then "source-dir" directory, two levels up: ash at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons$ zita-at1 Segmentation fault -- Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash [if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny] From goemusic at yahoo.fr Sat Dec 11 17:26:09 2010 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (Frank Kober) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:26:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] Qmidiarp news Message-ID: <910258.58958.qm@web26402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello all, This is to give an update on the qmidiarp development status. Since the last discussions here there are mainly the following new features: Arps: o There are now three trigger modes selectable from a new combobox: 1) No trigger: the original continuous mode 2) Kbd Restart: the arp will restart its loop on every stakato note change, i.e. when the previous note is released before pressing a new key. 3) Kbd Trigger: the arp will restart and be triggered by the pressed note. o The latency should be 2 ticks now, so around 10 milliseconds, with which I haven't found lost notes so far even with four arps plus lfo running in parallel. o The arp patterns (along many other controls) can be changed by a midi-learnable controller, on the fly. As it seems the alsamodular mailing lists are not much followed anymore, so I will need some support to convince my own team to release it or setup a new dedicated project page. So please test, bash it, critique it, praise it. Installation is: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at alsamodular.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/alsamodular co -P qmidiarp autoreconf -i make sudo make install Have fun Frank The resume of changes since 0.0.2 is as follows. New Features o Arpeggio pattern preset infrastructure o Synchronized MIDI LFO modules added LFOs have calculated and drawable waveforms, selectable frequency, amplitude, offset, time resolution and length o Synchronized step sequencer modules added Step sequencer can be transposed and velocity-modulated by received notes, sequence can be drawn on the fly o Pianoroll-type display of arp patterns and cursor line o Envelope function for chord arpeggios with high polyphony o Latch mode or Footswitch for holding notes in arpeggio buffer o Keyboard-triggered or -restarted arpeggiator mode o Input note delay strongly reduced making QMidiArp suitable for live play o MIDI-learnable control of many live-relevant functions o MIDI realtime clock slave synchronization o JACK transport client synchronization o Event log entries are color-coded, optional MIDI Clock event display o Re-designed graphical user interface: all modules and dialogs are dockable floatable windows, main and file icon toolbars added o New .qmidiarprc file containing GUI settings, user arp patterns and last file path o Save and SaveAs functions with modification monitoring o All relevant session parameters stored in new .qmax XML session file o Manual pages in English, French and German o Handler for SIGINT added to handle unsaved or changed files more carefully at program termination. o Handler for SIGUSR1 added to provide support for LADISH level 1. o Separate threads for ALSA Sequencer Queue handler and arpeggio engine General Changes o Port form Qt3 to Qt4 library. o MIDI Channels and ALSA port id's displayed from 1...16 o On-the-fly tempo changes are disabled From cicloesano at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 17:37:53 2010 From: cicloesano at gmail.com (ciclo esano) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:37:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Converting binary digital data in PCM In-Reply-To: <201012111148.03877.lau@kudla.org> References: <201012101440.07693.lau@kudla.org> <201012111148.03877.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: Hmmm.. I have no success until now :( Using play -e raw -b 32 -c 1 -r 441000 --endian little dat.raw I am facing with the following error: play FAIL sox: --encoding: `raw' is not one of: signed-integer, unsigned-integer, floating-point, ms-adpcm, ima-adpcm, oki-adpcm, gsm-full-rate, u-law, mu-law, a-law. That's strange. I am sure the data are in little-endian format (since the storage CPU is Intel), each sample is 32-bit long integer, I have 32768 samples but have no idea about the real sampling rate. I can try with several speeds, but the question about the "encoding" still unclear for me. And this is the same using sox instead. So, I am stuck here 2010/12/11 Rob > On Saturday 11 December 2010 04:42, ciclo esano wrote: > > Moreover the information about bit rate, channel and everything > > concerning audio file is very difficult to apply here, since the raw > > data are coming from a digitizer after several downsampling processes > > to have all the signals in the audio range (in fact they arise from the > > high frequency of nuclear spins, hundreds of MHz) > > Oh, that sounds brilliant. Well, if they're being downsampled already, > surely you know what frequency to choose, but if not, you could just start > with the common ones (22050, 32000, 44100, 48000), see how they sound and > tweak as needed. I'd assume it'd be one channel and 32-bit samples based > on what you said, but you can experiment with that too. > > Rob > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From cicloesano at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 18:19:30 2010 From: cicloesano at gmail.com (ciclo esano) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:19:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Converting binary digital data in PCM In-Reply-To: References: <201012101440.07693.lau@kudla.org> <201012111148.03877.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: YES sox: SoX v14.3.1 *-es* was the right one :-) 2010/12/11 Paul Davis > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, ciclo esano > wrote: > > Hmmm.. I have no success until now :( > > Using play -e raw -b 32 -c 1 -r 441000 --endian little dat.raw > > I am facing with the following error: > > > > play FAIL sox: --encoding: `raw' is not one of: signed-integer, > > unsigned-integer, floating-point, ms-adpcm, ima-adpcm, oki-adpcm, > > gsm-full-rate, u-law, mu-law, a-law. > > > > That's strange. 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URL: From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 19:04:57 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea grammostola) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:04:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jack-rack racks In-Reply-To: <4CFB47B7.4040005@autostatic.com> References: <4CFA97C0.9010209@gmail.com> <4CFB47B7.4040005@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/04/2010 08:34 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> Anyone who is able to open these patches in jack-rack? >> >> http://offog.org/stuff/racks/ >> >> (wget -e robots=off -r -np -nd http://offog.org/stuff/racks/ ) >> >> It seems I do miss pretty some plugins, but I thought I installed the >> most ladspa plugins... >> >> \r >> > > > No problems here so far. Which patches cause problems? 01-classicrock.rack' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1777'; skipping 1-classicrock.rack' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1766'; skipping /bass-phaser-distort' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1775'; skipping bass-phaser-distort' contains an unknown plugin with ID '2581'; skipping etc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rennabh at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 19:11:36 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:11:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang Message-ID: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> Hello, I starte playing around with bristol synths, which look and sound very cool so far, but I'm having a problem. It happens many times that a particular note "hangs" on the synth, and sending note off events doesn't stop it... I have to restart the program, which makes it unusable since it happens quite often. Untill now this happenede with b3, minimoog and dx7. Does anyone experience similar problems? BTW I'm "playing" the synths with jack-keyboard and pressing the keys in the GUI with the mouse. renato From f.rech at yahoo.fr Sat Dec 11 19:42:28 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:42:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> Renato a ?crit : > Hello, > I starte playing around with bristol synths, which look and sound very > cool so far, but I'm having a problem. It happens many times that a > particular note "hangs" on the synth, and sending note off events > doesn't stop it... I have to restart the program, which makes it > unusable since it happens quite often. Untill now this happenede with > b3, minimoog and dx7. > > Does anyone experience similar problems? > > BTW I'm "playing" the synths with jack-keyboard and pressing the > keys in the GUI with the mouse. > > renato > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > I have the same problem here, playing with an usb keyboard. Sometimes you probably have "clicks" (digital saturation) too. AFAIK, there's a known problem in Bristol, and I read that all we have to put in these is some good patience, IF we don't have the ability to fix some little bugs... Like everybody, and you as I read up there, I hear really good sounds with Brighton, and have to chill for waiting bugs to be forgotten ;-)) Stay tuned Renato, do you know this sentence : "Roma doesn't have build in 1 day" ? Fred From jeremy at autostatic.com Sat Dec 11 20:27:55 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:27:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jack-rack racks In-Reply-To: References: <4CFA97C0.9010209@gmail.com> <4CFB47B7.4040005@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4D03DECB.9010801@autostatic.com> On 12/11/2010 08:04 PM, rosea grammostola wrote: > 01-classicrock.rack' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1777'; skipping > 1-classicrock.rack' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1766'; skipping > /bass-phaser-distort' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1775'; skipping > bass-phaser-distort' contains an unknown plugin with ID '2581'; skipping > > etc You're missing the caps plugins. Best, Jeremy From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sat Dec 11 20:43:24 2010 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:43:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com>,<4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: > > particular note "hangs" on the synth, and sending note off events > > doesn't stop it... I have to restart the program, which makes it > > unusable since it happens quite often. Untill now this happenede with > > b3, minimoog and dx7. > I have the same problem here, playing with an usb keyboard. > Sometimes you probably have "clicks" (digital saturation) too. Bristol has had these issues although they were supposed to have been iron out in the later releases. The cause of the clicks was largely due to voice reassignment with mono synths fixed by implementing a different note assignment method (note preference with droning) and the sticky notes were due to scheduling issues between threads fixed with a jack ringbuffer message passing method. Now a lot of the distributions are still packaging bristol-0.40 which is a couple of years out of date. If you have newer versions then I can work on some debuging with you, if you don't have 0.60 then it would make sense to try that first. I cannot rule out other issues but lets start with the versions you have and take it from there. Kind regards, nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 21:12:43 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:12:43 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Qmidiarp news In-Reply-To: <910258.58958.qm@web26402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <910258.58958.qm@web26402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds like fun. It would be very cool to hear some audio examples. - Mark On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Frank Kober wrote: > Hello all, > > This is to give an update on the qmidiarp development status. > > Since the last discussions here there are mainly the following new > features: > Arps: > > o There are now three trigger modes selectable from a new combobox: > > ?1) No trigger: the original continuous mode > ?2) Kbd Restart: the arp will restart its loop on every stakato note > ? ? change, i.e. when the previous note is released before pressing a new key. > ?3) Kbd Trigger: the arp will restart and be triggered by the pressed note. > > o The latency should be 2 ticks now, so around 10 milliseconds, with which > I haven't found lost notes so far even with four arps plus lfo running in parallel. > > o The arp patterns (along many other controls) can be changed by a > midi-learnable controller, on the fly. > > As it seems the alsamodular mailing lists are not much followed anymore, so I will need some support to convince my own team to release it or setup a new dedicated project page. So please test, bash it, critique it, praise it. > > Installation is: > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at alsamodular.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/alsamodular co -P qmidiarp > > autoreconf -i > make > sudo make install > > > Have fun > Frank > > The resume of changes since 0.0.2 is as follows. > > New Features > ?o Arpeggio pattern preset infrastructure > ?o Synchronized MIDI LFO modules added > ? ?LFOs have calculated and drawable waveforms, selectable frequency, > ? ?amplitude, offset, time resolution and length > ?o Synchronized step sequencer modules added > ? ?Step sequencer can be transposed and velocity-modulated by received > ? ?notes, sequence can be drawn on the fly > ?o Pianoroll-type display of arp patterns and cursor line > ?o Envelope function for chord arpeggios with high polyphony > ?o Latch mode or Footswitch for holding notes in arpeggio buffer > ?o Keyboard-triggered or -restarted arpeggiator mode > ?o Input note delay strongly reduced making QMidiArp suitable for live > ? ?play > ?o MIDI-learnable control of many live-relevant functions > ?o MIDI realtime clock slave synchronization > ?o JACK transport client synchronization > ?o Event log entries are color-coded, optional MIDI Clock event display > ?o Re-designed graphical user interface: ?all modules and dialogs > ? ?are dockable floatable windows, main and file icon toolbars added > ?o New .qmidiarprc file containing GUI settings, user arp patterns and > ? ?last file path > ?o Save and SaveAs functions with modification monitoring > ?o All relevant session parameters stored in new .qmax XML session file > ?o Manual pages in English, French and German > ?o Handler for SIGINT added to handle unsaved or changed files more > ? ?carefully at program termination. > ?o Handler for SIGUSR1 added to provide support for LADISH level 1. > ?o Separate threads for ALSA Sequencer Queue handler and arpeggio engine > > > General Changes > ?o Port form Qt3 to Qt4 library. > ?o MIDI Channels and ALSA port id's displayed from 1...16 > ?o On-the-fly tempo changes are disabled > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From rennabh at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 21:28:06 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:28:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <20101211222806.2047e564@gmail.com> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:43:24 +0100 Nick Copeland wrote: > > > > particular note "hangs" on the synth, and sending note off events > > > doesn't stop it... I have to restart the program, which makes it > > > unusable since it happens quite often. Untill now this happenede > > > with b3, minimoog and dx7. > > > I have the same problem here, playing with an usb keyboard. > > Sometimes you probably have "clicks" (digital saturation) too. > > Bristol has had these issues although they were supposed to have been > iron out in the later releases. The cause of the clicks was largely > due to voice reassignment with mono synths fixed by implementing a > different note assignment method (note preference with droning) and > the sticky notes were due to scheduling issues between threads fixed > with a jack ringbuffer message passing method. > > Now a lot of the distributions are still packaging bristol-0.40 which > is a couple of years out of date. If you have newer versions then I > can work on some debuging with you, if you don't have 0.60 then it > would make sense to try that first. > > I cannot rule out other issues but lets start with the versions you > have and take it from there. > > Kind regards, nick. > You're right, I didn't mention system info. I have version 0.60.7 running on Archlinux, standard kernel. Jack is running on laptop built-in audio card with: /usr/bin/jackd -r -t2000 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p2048 -n2 -Xseq I found the hanged note stops if I change the midi channel in bristol. Not sure if the note is still there playing when I change back to the original channel, I'll try it next time it hangs. regards, renato From f.rech at yahoo.fr Sat Dec 11 21:30:22 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:30:22 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com>, <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <4D03ED6E.10405@yahoo.fr> Nick Copeland a ?crit : > > > particular note "hangs" on the synth, and sending note off events > > > doesn't stop it... I have to restart the program, which makes it > > > unusable since it happens quite often. Untill now this happenede with > > > b3, minimoog and dx7. > > > I have the same problem here, playing with an usb keyboard. > > Sometimes you probably have "clicks" (digital saturation) too. > > Bristol has had these issues although they were supposed to have been > iron out in the later releases. The cause of the clicks was largely due to > voice reassignment with mono synths fixed by implementing a different > note assignment method (note preference with droning) and the sticky > notes were due to scheduling issues between threads fixed with a jack > ringbuffer message passing method. > > Now a lot of the distributions are still packaging bristol-0.40 which is > a couple of years out of date. If you have newer versions then I can > work on some debuging with you, if you don't have 0.60 then it would > make sense to try that first. > > I cannot rule out other issues but lets start with the versions you have > and take it from there. > > Kind regards, nick. Hi Nick, OOPS ! I tell Renato to stay in tune, and run 0.50.1... Will try to compile 0.60 to follow your advice, and let you know ASAP. Thanks for replying, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fons at kokkinizita.net Sat Dec 11 21:32:17 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:32:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> <20101211164208.GF4079@zita2> Message-ID: <20101211213217.GI4079@zita2> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 08:06:26PM +0300, Oleg Ivanenko wrote: > So, zita-at1 WAS installed from "source-dir" > /mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source Indeed... Since the build doesn't produce any information, the only way seems to run zita-at1 from gdb and get a stack trace. Is there anything unusual about your system/X11/Jack ? Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 22:32:13 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:32:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jack-rack racks In-Reply-To: <4D03DECB.9010801@autostatic.com> References: <4CFA97C0.9010209@gmail.com> <4CFB47B7.4040005@autostatic.com> <4D03DECB.9010801@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4D03FBED.4020102@gmail.com> On 12/11/2010 09:27 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/11/2010 08:04 PM, rosea grammostola wrote: >> 01-classicrock.rack' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1777'; >> skipping >> 1-classicrock.rack' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1766'; skipping >> /bass-phaser-distort' contains an unknown plugin with ID '1775'; >> skipping >> bass-phaser-distort' contains an unknown plugin with ID '2581'; skipping >> >> etc > > You're missing the caps plugins. ah, thanks Btw iirc there where also racks with the name 'Lennon' in it, and 'tube', can't find them in this collection... From f.rech at yahoo.fr Sat Dec 11 22:59:49 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (frederic rech) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:59:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <641329.79610.qm@web25408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- En date de?: Sam 11.12.10, Nick Copeland a ?crit?: De: Nick Copeland Objet: RE: [LAU] bristol synths hang ?: f.rech at yahoo.fr, rennabh at gmail.com Cc: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org Date: Samedi 11 d?cembre 2010, 21h43 > > particular note "hangs" on the synth, and sending note off events > > doesn't stop it... I have to restart the program, which makes it > > unusable since it happens quite often. Untill now this happenede with > > b3, minimoog and dx7. > I have the same problem here, playing with an usb keyboard. > Sometimes you probably have "clicks" (digital saturation) too. Bristol has had these issues although they were supposed to have been iron out in the later releases. The cause of the clicks was largely due to voice reassignment with mono synths fixed by implementing a different note assignment method (note preference with droning) and the sticky notes were due to scheduling issues between threads fixed with a jack ringbuffer message passing method. Now a lot of the distributions are still packaging bristol-0.40 which is a couple of years out of date. If you have newer versions then I can work on some debuging with you, if you don't have 0.60 then it would make sense to try that first. I cannot rule out other issues but lets start with the versions you have and take it from there. Kind regards, nick. Have compile 0.60 with no problem, and no clicks anymore :) But now Bristol lives -alone- in Qjacks'MIDI tab, and the rest of MIDI stuff are in ALSA tab... What did I missed ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hollunder at lavabit.com Sun Dec 12 00:05:42 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 01:05:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> <20101211164208.GF4079@zita2> Message-ID: <1292112257-sup-4918@eris> Excerpts from Oleg Ivanenko's message of 2010-12-11 18:06:26 +0100: > 2010/12/11 : > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 07:07:36PM +0300, Oleg Ivanenko wrote: > > > >> What am I doing wrong? > >> -- > >> Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash > >> [if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny] > > > > You must do a 'make install'. It will not run from the > > build directory. > > > > Ciao, > > > > -- > > FA > > > > There are three of them, and Alleline. > > > > > > Fons, as You can see, in my previous message was strings: > > root at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source# make install > install -d /usr/local/bin > install -d /usr/local/share/zita-at1 > install -m 755 zita-at1 /usr/local/bin > rm -rf /usr/local/share/zita-at1/* > install -m 644 ../share/* /usr/local/share/zita-at1 Do you do all this manually or my running make? I don't see ldconfig in there, for example. > So, zita-at1 WAS installed from "source-dir" > /mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source > > And then, I have tried to launch zita-at1 from other then "source-dir" > directory, two levels up: > > ash at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons$ zita-at1 > Segmentation fault > From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Dec 12 00:28:08 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 01:28:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: <1292112257-sup-4918@eris> References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> <20101211164208.GF4079@zita2> <1292112257-sup-4918@eris> Message-ID: <20101212002808.GL4079@zita2> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 01:05:42AM +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Do you do all this manually or my running make? I don't see ldconfig in > there, for example. It's the output from 'make'. Running 'ldconfig' is required only when installing a library. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From oivanenko at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 00:28:39 2010 From: oivanenko at gmail.com (Oleg Ivanenko) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 03:28:39 +0300 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: <1292112257-sup-4918@eris> References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> <20101211164208.GF4079@zita2> <1292112257-sup-4918@eris> Message-ID: 2010/12/12 Philipp ?berbacher : > Excerpts from Oleg Ivanenko's message of 2010-12-11 18:06:26 +0100: >> 2010/12/11 ?: >> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 07:07:36PM +0300, Oleg Ivanenko wrote: >> > >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> -- >> >> Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash >> >> [if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny] >> > >> > You must do a 'make install'. It will not run from the >> > build directory. >> > >> > Ciao, >> > >> > -- >> > FA >> > >> > There are three of them, and Alleline. >> > >> > >> >> Fons, as You can see, in my previous message was strings: >> >> root at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source# make install >> install -d /usr/local/bin >> install -d /usr/local/share/zita-at1 >> install -m 755 zita-at1 /usr/local/bin >> rm -rf /usr/local/share/zita-at1/* >> install -m 644 ../share/* /usr/local/share/zita-at1 > > ?Do you do all this manually or my running make? I don't see ldconfig in > ?there, for example. Philipp, do you see this in *your* quotation? :) root at zerg:/mnt/music/src/audio/fons/zita-at1-0.2.0/source# make install BTW, I tried to do ldconfig manually just in case, without success. -- Truly yours, Oleg Ivanenko aka Ash [if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny] From compose59 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 09:01:09 2010 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:01:09 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Calf plugins and the calfjackhost Message-ID: A quick question. Is there any plan or intent to make calfjackhost jack sessionable? Alex. -- www.openoctave.org midi-subscribe at openoctave.org development-subscribe at openoctave.org From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sun Dec 12 09:15:21 2010 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:15:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: <641329.79610.qm@web25408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: , <641329.79610.qm@web25408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In release 0.40 bristol would not configure Jack MIDI interface when you used the -jack option. I had not tested this interface that much so when you requested -jack then bristol would still default to ALSA MIDI. Along the way as more testing was done I took the obvious choice to default audio and MIDI to Jack when you give the -jack flag. That means bristol will now appear in the Jack MIDI tab of qjackctl, not in the ALSA tab. Here is how you work around that: startBristol -jack -midi alsa -mini That will give you Jack audio and ALSA MIDI connections. If you want this to be the default behaviour then you can edit your bristolrc and put in one line: vi $HOME/.bristol/bristolrc -jack -midi alsa In my opinion, if you are using bristol 0.60.7 with jack drivers you should also use the following options: -jackstats -count -rate What this means it that you tell bristol, a priori, what buffer sizes and sample rates it should use to be consistent with Jack. If you leave out these options then bristol will attempt to find the correct rates using a poll to the daemon. It works 99.999% of the time, but when it doesn't then things get a bit ugly: -jack -jackstats -count 256 -rate 48000 -jack -midi alsa This will add these options every time you start bristol. Somebody recently commented that the bristol command line options are a real inspiration killer. No shit! Either bury these options once in the bristolrc or try using monoBristol to launch the app, it will hide a lot of this stuff. Let me know how it goes with the sticky notes and clicks/pops. In 0.60 there is one known case where they still happen: monophonics without note precedence (-nnp) however you have to ask for that to be configured, it is not a default. The next release is intended to have a fix for this last issue. As I said before, I can't rule out you still having the issue, there may be other cases I have not considered but either send reports on this list or send me an email and I will look into them. In one of your other email you asked about Jack Session Management: > | Build with JACK Session support ................ : false > > What does this mean? Bristol has an interface to the Jack Session Manager (JSM) so that you can save application states and recover them in their entirety. I only include the drivers in bristol if I find the correct Jack header files. The Jack dev team will have to comment on which version that would be however last time I checked it was not yet in general release. I would say that the header files are not in the jack version you have installed but it shouldn't give you any problems (unless you were going to use JSM of course). Kind regards, nick. "we have to make sure the old choice [Windows] doesn't disappear?. Jim Wong, president of IT products, Acer Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:59:49 +0000 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr Subject: RE: [LAU] bristol synths hang To: rennabh at gmail.com; nickycopeland at hotmail.com CC: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org --- En date de : Sam 11.12.10, Nick Copeland a ?crit : De: Nick Copeland Objet: RE: [LAU] bristol synths hang ?: f.rech at yahoo.fr, rennabh at gmail.com Cc: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org Date: Samedi 11 d?cembre 2010, 21h43 > > particular note "hangs" on the synth, and sending note off events > > doesn't stop it... I have to restart the program, which makes it > > unusable since it happens quite often. Untill now this happenede with > > b3, minimoog and dx7. > I have the same problem here, playing with an usb keyboard. > Sometimes you probably have "clicks" (digital saturation) too. Bristol has had these issues although they were supposed to have been iron out in the later releases. The cause of the clicks was largely due to voice reassignment with mono synths fixed by implementing a different note assignment method (note preference with droning) and the sticky notes were due to scheduling issues between threads fixed with a jack ringbuffer message passing method. Now a lot of the distributions are still packaging bristol-0.40 which is a couple of years out of date. If you have newer versions then I can work on some debuging with you, if you don't have 0.60 then it would make sense to try that first. I cannot rule out other issues but lets start with the versions you have and take it from there. Kind regards, nick. Have compile 0.60 with no problem, and no clicks anymore :) But now Bristol lives -alone- in Qjacks'MIDI tab, and the rest of MIDI stuff are in ALSA tab... What did I missed ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sun Dec 12 09:28:06 2010 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:28:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: <20101211222806.2047e564@gmail.com> References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com>, <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr>, , <20101211222806.2047e564@gmail.com> Message-ID: > From: rennabh at gmail.com > > I have version 0.60.7 That is a bit unfortunate.... > Jack is running on laptop built-in audio card with: > /usr/bin/jackd -r -t2000 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p2048 -n2 -Xseq I will test with a similar set of options. Out of interest, do you configure your CPU for performance or on-demand? It should not make any difference here except that on-demand is likely to give you more overruns with note events. > I found the hanged note stops if I change the midi channel in bristol. Bristol will execute an all-notes-off when the emulator MIDI channel changes so the notes probably are finally off. It still looks like you have another issue though. Now bristol-0.60.8 has some changes for running with things like low speed CPU (speedstepping), large period sizes and for things like '-voices 1' or '-nnp' that could still give clicks, pops and sticky notes. Shouldn't affect the polyphonics though. A copy of your bristol-0.60.7/config.log might also be useful plus the commandline you use for bristol too. Regards, nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 12 09:38:55 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:38:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> Message-ID: <4D04982F.1000805@autostatic.com> On 12/10/2010 07:55 PM, fons at kokkinizita.net wrote: > An update of zita-at1 is available at the usual place: > > . > > Changes: > > * The resampler now uses cubic interpolation (at twice > the sample rate for 44.1 and 48 kHz), giving even > cleaner output. > > * The offset control now has 400 steps of exactly 1 > cent (1/100 semitone) each, and displays the set > value when touched. Default mousewheel step is 10 > cents, 1 cent with Shift pressed. > > Enjoy ! > Thanks! Compiles and runs fine here. Best, Jeremy From compose59 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 09:56:45 2010 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:56:45 +0300 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> <20101211222806.2047e564@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nick, just updated to 0.60.7 (Gentoo Ebuild), added your suggested cli options to a bristolrc, and all is good so far. Gentoo 64bit, 2.6.33.7-RT. Regards, Alex. -- www.openoctave.org midi-subscribe at openoctave.org development-subscribe at openoctave.org From ken at restivo.org Sun Dec 12 10:31:10 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:31:10 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: <4D04982F.1000805@autostatic.com> References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> <4D04982F.1000805@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <20101212103110.GA20998@aieee.restivo.org> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:38:55AM +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/10/2010 07:55 PM, fons at kokkinizita.net wrote: >> An update of zita-at1 is available at the usual place: >> >> . >> >> Changes: >> >> * The resampler now uses cubic interpolation (at twice >> the sample rate for 44.1 and 48 kHz), giving even >> cleaner output. >> >> * The offset control now has 400 steps of exactly 1 >> cent (1/100 semitone) each, and displays the set >> value when touched. Default mousewheel step is 10 >> cents, 1 cent with Shift pressed. >> >> Enjoy ! >> > > Thanks! > > Compiles and runs fine here. > Random guess: 64-bit system, bit-alignment issue? Also, Fons's makefiles sometimes have optimizations for certain CPUs in there, and I've often edited them to fit a different CPU, i.e. on my Core 2 Duo system. -ken From compose59 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 11:17:41 2010 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:17:41 +0300 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> <20101211222806.2047e564@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM, alex stone wrote: > Nick, just updated to 0.60.7 (Gentoo Ebuild), added your suggested cli > options to a bristolrc, and all is good so far. > > Gentoo 64bit, 2.6.33.7-RT. > > Regards, > > Alex. > > -- > www.openoctave.org > > midi-subscribe at openoctave.org > development-subscribe at openoctave.org > Nick, been through the synths, and only 2 seem to be a bit problematic, so far. aks- opens, but no jack or alsa ports appear, and it zombifies shortly after that. rhodes- opens, and is playable, but runs CPU up to 100 percent, and hangs, which then needs to be killed off in a terminal. Alex. -- www.openoctave.org midi-subscribe at openoctave.org development-subscribe at openoctave.org From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Dec 12 11:48:53 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:48:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] New release of zita-at1 In-Reply-To: <20101212103110.GA20998@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101210185537.GE4069@zita2> <4D04982F.1000805@autostatic.com> <20101212103110.GA20998@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101212114853.GB4080@zita2> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 02:31:10AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > Random guess: 64-bit system, bit-alignment issue? That could well be it. For some reason I forgot to use the FFTW allocators instead of C++ new for the arrays used by FFTW. I mailed a fixed version to Oleg and am waiting for the result. > Also, Fons's makefiles sometimes have optimizations for > certain CPUs in there, and I've often edited them to fit > a different CPU, i.e. on my Core 2 Duo system. I use -march=native now. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Dec 12 12:01:57 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:01:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Update of zita-at1 (bugfix) Message-ID: <20101212120157.GD4080@zita2> Zita-at1 has been updated to 0.2.1 fixing a nasty bug. Thanks to Oleg Ivanenko for reporting the problem and helping to solve it. As usual: Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From ailo.at at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 12:03:14 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:03:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing Message-ID: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> I've been looking around for any tests made comparing the different kernels, -rt, generic, or any other type of realtime enchanced kernel. I haven't found any test results yet, at least none audio related. I did find some testing tools at rt.wiki.kernel.org, but don't know if and how they could be made relevant to audio low latency testing. I suppose the most interesting results would come from testing different kernels with jack/alsa and jack/ffado. Has anyone done such tests? -- ailo From capoeirista at arcor.de Sun Dec 12 12:22:16 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:22:16 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour metronome Message-ID: <201012121022.16675.capoeirista@arcor.de> am I the only one who misses a fader for the metronome in the main-window? or perhaps an option to couple it to the master-fader. Fabio From plessas at mur.at Sun Dec 12 12:34:52 2010 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:34:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D04C16C.70609@mur.at> ailo wrote: > I've been looking around for any tests made comparing the different > kernels, -rt, generic, or any other type of realtime enchanced kernel. > I haven't found any test results yet, at least none audio related. I did > find some testing tools at rt.wiki.kernel.org, but don't know if and how > they could be made relevant to audio low latency testing. > > I suppose the most interesting results would come from testing different > kernels with jack/alsa and jack/ffado. > > Has anyone done such tests? There is jack_delay from fons, which can measure the effective overall latency of your soundcard/drivers/jack/whatever. Plus there is a "latency.pd" patch that does the same (but with less precision) and which also features a nice "continuity" measurement, detecting cliks and dropouts. best, P From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sun Dec 12 12:36:54 2010 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:36:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr>, <20101211222806.2047e564@gmail.com>, , Message-ID: The AKS is non functional, it is documented somewhere on the website but I will consider adding a big capital letter disclaimer for the few that are unfinished. If you start it with -libtest you can just see the GUI, I use that during development. The Rhodes is the DX algorithm with a preset. Will have a look at it here. Bristol is not going to be the best Rhodes you will find on open source, It's not even the best Rhodes emulator in bristol! some soundfonts and most samples will give you better results. Regards, nick > From: compose59 at gmail.com > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:17:41 +0300 > Subject: Re: [LAU] bristol synths hang > To: nickycopeland at hotmail.com > CC: rennabh at gmail.com; linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM, alex stone wrote: > > Nick, just updated to 0.60.7 (Gentoo Ebuild), added your suggested cli > > options to a bristolrc, and all is good so far. > > > > Gentoo 64bit, 2.6.33.7-RT. > > > > Regards, > > > > Alex. > > > > -- > > www.openoctave.org > > > > midi-subscribe at openoctave.org > > development-subscribe at openoctave.org > > > > Nick, been through the synths, and only 2 seem to be a bit problematic, so far. > aks- opens, but no jack or alsa ports appear, and it zombifies shortly > after that. > rhodes- opens, and is playable, but runs CPU up to 100 percent, and > hangs, which then needs to be killed off in a terminal. > > Alex. > > -- > www.openoctave.org > > midi-subscribe at openoctave.org > development-subscribe at openoctave.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From compose59 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 12:40:13 2010 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:40:13 +0300 Subject: [LAU] bristol synths hang In-Reply-To: References: <20101211201136.7f7a36fe@gmail.com> <4D03D424.8080509@yahoo.fr> <20101211222806.2047e564@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Nick Copeland wrote: > The AKS is non functional, it is documented somewhere on the website but I > will consider adding a big capital letter disclaimer for the few that are > unfinished. If you start it with -libtest you can just see the GUI, I use > that during development. > > The Rhodes is the DX algorithm with a preset. Will have a look at it here. > Bristol is not going to be the best Rhodes you will find on open source, > It's not even the best Rhodes emulator in bristol! some soundfonts and most > samples will give you better results. > > Regards, nick > >> From: compose59 at gmail.com >> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:17:41 +0300 >> Subject: Re: [LAU] bristol synths hang >> To: nickycopeland at hotmail.com >> CC: rennabh at gmail.com; linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> >> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM, alex stone wrote: >> > Nick, just updated to 0.60.7 (Gentoo Ebuild), added your suggested cli >> > options to a bristolrc, and all is good so far. >> > >> > Gentoo 64bit, 2.6.33.7-RT. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Alex. >> > >> > -- >> > www.openoctave.org >> > >> > midi-subscribe at openoctave.org >> > development-subscribe at openoctave.org >> > >> >> Nick, been through the synths, and only 2 seem to be a bit problematic, so >> far. >> aks- opens, but no jack or alsa ports appear, and it zombifies shortly >> after that. >> rhodes- opens, and is playable, but runs CPU up to 100 percent, and >> hangs, which then needs to be killed off in a terminal. >> >> Alex. >> >> -- >> www.openoctave.org >> >> midi-subscribe at openoctave.org >> development-subscribe at openoctave.org > Nick, np. I'll refrain from reporting anymore until you announce an update, and we can test finished code. Apologies for the noise. Regards, Alex. -- www.openoctave.org midi-subscribe at openoctave.org development-subscribe at openoctave.org From robin at gareus.org Sun Dec 12 12:41:30 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:41:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> On 12/12/2010 01:03 PM, ailo wrote: > I've been looking around for any tests made comparing the different > kernels, -rt, generic, or any other type of realtime enchanced kernel. > I haven't found any test results yet, at least none audio related. I did > find some testing tools at rt.wiki.kernel.org, but don't know if and how > they could be made relevant to audio low latency testing. > > I suppose the most interesting results would come from testing different > kernels with jack/alsa and jack/ffado. > > Has anyone done such tests? It is not trivial to perform such tests and AFAIK there's no benchmark suite to automate the process. There are a few tools to test JACK's realtime performance: - the ardour-source includes `tools/jacktest.c` checks for the max DSP load at which an x-run occurs. - http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/jack_latency_tests git://rg42.org/latentor is a tool to automate measuring round-trip audio latency iterating all JACKd -n/-p/-S parameters However latentor is a pretty recent development and does not yet report x-runs. We watch qjackctl's icon for now. AFAICT there's no recipe. It's a matter of knowing some internals about RT-linux to come up with a proper kernel .config and doing real-life tests. I think it is impossible to assign a number "suitability for pro-audio" to a kernel. For testing performance of the 64studio RT kernel: I do run a couple of heavy-sessions (e.g. 16 jconvolvers in a 16 track ardour session + jamin which procudes quite some DSP, system and IO load). If there's no x-run at 32fpp*2p/48kHz after 24 h while I to surf the web and read email and compile another kernel in the meantime I bless the build OK :) There's a few additional things: wifi, suspend/resume, freq scaling, etc on the checklist, too. 2c, robin From rustompmody at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 12:50:49 2010 From: rustompmody at gmail.com (Rustom Mody) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:20:49 +0530 Subject: [LAU] recycle users wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Alexendre. Just wondering do you reverse engineer with raw python or do you use some framework like Construct? http://construct.wikispaces.com/ Rustom On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Hello lists :) > > First, an introduction. Within the context of this mail I'm > representing re-lab -- a small project [1] that does a dirty job > developers usually try to avoid -- reverse-engineering file formats > that have no publicly available specs. Our primary goal is helping dev > teams and therefore end-users to support legacy data. > > We started with Corel DRAW back in 2007 (supported by Inkscape, sK1 > and UniConvertor now), continued with painting dynamics in Photoshop > brushes (supported by Krita in SVN trunk) and Photoshop gradients > (supported by SwatchBooker), and now we arrive to audio domain. > > A while ago we asked Ardour team if they wanted some file formats > reverse-engineered. Paul named a couple of such file formats, > including REX2 audio loops [2]. > > Since we are (at least pretend to be) nice guys, we started with > mailing Propellerhead, but they never replied (only to be expected, > given their track record re open source teams). Well, something had to > be done about that, eh? So we started looking into things. > > Initial version of Python scripts that parse .rx2 files and dump stuff > to stdout is already available [3]. This is exactly what deliver in > the end: Python scripts for parsing and a specification that explains > what every chunk does. > > Now here is what we need. All we have right now is a bunch of .rx2 > files that I got with my Focusrite Saffire Pro24 and bundled software. > It's good for a start, but for proper r-e we need introducing small > changes to files and seeing what's changed. So we need someone with a > licensed copy of ReCycle and some spare time on his/her hands to help > us figuring things out. > > Demo version of ReCycle works fine in WINE, but saving and loading > arbitrary files is impossible. We really do not want dealing with > pirated copies, because, again, we do our best to be nice guys. > > And since we do it not just for fun, but for actual results, we'd be > glad if developers of other applications (FreeCycle and Smasher are > the first I can think of) implemented support for REX2. > > Coincidentally we are also interested in people who are good at audio > compression algorithms. *cough* Monty *cough* :) > > By the way, usually I don't read both l-a-u and l-a-d lists, so after > a while (a week maybe) I'll turn off delivery of mails, which means > you probably want using Reply to All button in your mail client of > choice. > > [1] http://gitorious.org/re-lab/ > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REX2 > [3] http://gitorious.org/re-lab/audio > > Alexandre Prokoudine > http://libregraphicsworld.org > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From allcoms at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 13:09:50 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:09:50 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> Message-ID: Thanks Robin for your massively useful tips there on how to (stress) test JACK - I think what you just said, in an edited form, should be included on the JACK FAQ page please Paul! On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/12/2010 01:03 PM, ailo wrote: > > I've been looking around for any tests made comparing the different > > kernels, -rt, generic, or any other type of realtime enchanced kernel. > > I haven't found any test results yet, at least none audio related. I did > > find some testing tools at rt.wiki.kernel.org, but don't know if and how > > they could be made relevant to audio low latency testing. > > > > I suppose the most interesting results would come from testing different > > kernels with jack/alsa and jack/ffado. > > > > Has anyone done such tests? > > It is not trivial to perform such tests and AFAIK there's no benchmark > suite to automate the process. > > There are a few tools to test JACK's realtime performance: > > - the ardour-source includes `tools/jacktest.c` checks for the max DSP > load at which an x-run occurs. > > - http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/jack_latency_tests > git://rg42.org/latentor is a tool to automate measuring round-trip > audio latency iterating all JACKd -n/-p/-S parameters > However latentor is a pretty recent development and does not yet > report x-runs. We watch qjackctl's icon for now. > > AFAICT there's no recipe. It's a matter of knowing some internals about > RT-linux to come up with a proper kernel .config and doing real-life > tests. I think it is impossible to assign a number "suitability for > pro-audio" to a kernel. > > For testing performance of the 64studio RT kernel: I do run a couple of > heavy-sessions (e.g. 16 jconvolvers in a 16 track ardour session + jamin > which procudes quite some DSP, system and IO load). If there's no x-run > at 32fpp*2p/48kHz after 24 h while I to surf the web and read email and > compile another kernel in the meantime I bless the build OK :) There's a > few additional things: wifi, suspend/resume, freq scaling, etc on the > checklist, too. > > 2c, > robin > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 13:29:28 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:29:28 +0300 Subject: [LAU] recycle users wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/12/10, Rustom Mody wrote: > Hi Alexendre. > > Just wondering do you reverse engineer with raw python or do you use > some framework like Construct? http://construct.wikispaces.com/ With raw Python :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org From gg3137 at vegri.net Sun Dec 12 13:29:34 2010 From: gg3137 at vegri.net (Giso Grimm) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:29:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] artificial reverb via ambisonics systems Message-ID: <4D04CE3E.1060001@vegri.net> Does anyone know about an artificial reverb (plugin or standalone jack application), which produces ambisonics output? What is the recommended way to bring reverb to an ambisonics playback system? - Giso From gg3137 at vegri.net Sun Dec 12 13:30:40 2010 From: gg3137 at vegri.net (Giso Grimm) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:30:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour metronome In-Reply-To: <201012121022.16675.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012121022.16675.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D04CE80.5060109@vegri.net> Fabio wrote: > am I the only one who misses a fader for the metronome in the > main-window? or perhaps an option to couple it to the master-fader. You can connect the click output to the master input instead of directly to the hardware output, this will do what you are missing. The "click" connection and gain control is in he preference window in the "click" tab. - Giso > > Fabio _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Dec 12 14:12:38 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:12:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] artificial reverb via ambisonics systems In-Reply-To: <4D04CE3E.1060001@vegri.net> References: <4D04CE3E.1060001@vegri.net> Message-ID: <20101212141238.GE4080@zita2> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 02:29:34PM +0100, Giso Grimm wrote: > Does anyone know about an artificial reverb (plugin or standalone jack > application), which produces ambisonics output? zita-rev1, jconvolver. > What is the recommended way to bring reverb to an ambisonics playback > system? Depends on what exactly you want to achieve - using reverb some tracks of an AMB mix or adding it to playback system. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 12 14:20:52 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:20:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] MIDI connections (hardware setup) Message-ID: Hello everyone1 I'm pretty sure, that I'm stupid, but one can always try. I have a setup here with two synths (both fully MIDI capable). I can only touch one keyboard, the other one is sitting in an awkward place and can't be moved. So this is the problem: Can I wire up the keyboard in such a way that: 1. I can use my main keyboard to control the other one and 2. Use the main keyboard to control softsynths at the same time (meaning without rewiring everytme). I don't mind turning on both keybaords for playing a softsynth, as long as the wiring can stay as it is. I'd rather not crawl in the space over there in the corner and get myself hanged each time I try to fiddle with the cables. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From mike at linuxdsp.co.uk Sun Dec 12 14:44:18 2010 From: mike at linuxdsp.co.uk (linuxdsp) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:44:18 +0000 Subject: [LAU] MIDI connections (hardware setup) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D04DFC2.4050400@linuxdsp.co.uk> Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello everyone1 > I'm pretty sure, that I'm stupid, but one can always try. I have a > setup here with two synths (both fully MIDI capable). I can only touch > one keyboard, the other one is sitting in an awkward place and can't be > moved. So this is the problem: Can I wire up the keyboard in such a way > that: > 1. I can use my main keyboard to control the other one and > 2. Use the main keyboard to control softsynths at the same time (meaning > without rewiring everytme). > I don't mind turning on both keybaords for playing a softsynth, as > long as the wiring can stay as it is. I'd rather not crawl in the space > over there in the corner and get myself hanged each time I try to fiddle > with the cables. > Kind regards > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > MIDI Thru? From ailo.at at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 14:51:52 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:51:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> On 12/12/2010 01:41 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/12/2010 01:03 PM, ailo wrote: >> I've been looking around for any tests made comparing the different >> kernels, -rt, generic, or any other type of realtime enchanced kernel. >> I haven't found any test results yet, at least none audio related. I did >> find some testing tools at rt.wiki.kernel.org, but don't know if and how >> they could be made relevant to audio low latency testing. >> >> I suppose the most interesting results would come from testing different >> kernels with jack/alsa and jack/ffado. >> >> Has anyone done such tests? > > It is not trivial to perform such tests and AFAIK there's no benchmark > suite to automate the process. > > There are a few tools to test JACK's realtime performance: > > - the ardour-source includes `tools/jacktest.c` checks for the max DSP > load at which an x-run occurs. > > - http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/jack_latency_tests > git://rg42.org/latentor is a tool to automate measuring round-trip > audio latency iterating all JACKd -n/-p/-S parameters > However latentor is a pretty recent development and does not yet > report x-runs. We watch qjackctl's icon for now. > > AFAICT there's no recipe. It's a matter of knowing some internals about > RT-linux to come up with a proper kernel .config and doing real-life > tests. I think it is impossible to assign a number "suitability for > pro-audio" to a kernel. > > For testing performance of the 64studio RT kernel: I do run a couple of > heavy-sessions (e.g. 16 jconvolvers in a 16 track ardour session + jamin > which procudes quite some DSP, system and IO load). If there's no x-run > at 32fpp*2p/48kHz after 24 h while I to surf the web and read email and > compile another kernel in the meantime I bless the build OK :) There's a > few additional things: wifi, suspend/resume, freq scaling, etc on the > checklist, too. > > 2c, > robin Thanks for your excellent info. I will need to have a closer look on specific details to get a better understanding of the problem with doing this kind of testing. Kernel .config is not my language yet, for instance. From a practical point of view for someone as ignorant about the technical details as myself, I suppose I'm just trying to get a general idea of what you get from different kernels. So, I was making outlines on how to do these two things: 1. a test/script for making tests on a single machine to compare performance on different kernels. 2. results summed up in a table that gives you a general idea of what you get with different kernels. There could perhaps be a number of different tables for different processors, assuming that the processor is the main important factor that decides the actual latency you get with a kernel. These tests could then be published in a wiki, if deemed worthy. - Why such a table should be made, and for who?: Some practical uses that may require a rt kernel: * live audio processing (requires low latency) * monitoring (requires low latency) * using firewire devices (As far as I understand ffado works best with -rt kernels) Possible/impossible? -- ailo From ailo.at at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 14:58:54 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:58:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04C16C.70609@mur.at> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04C16C.70609@mur.at> Message-ID: <4D04E32E.2010806@gmail.com> On 12/12/2010 01:34 PM, Peter Plessas wrote: > ailo wrote: >> I've been looking around for any tests made comparing the different >> kernels, -rt, generic, or any other type of realtime enchanced kernel. >> I haven't found any test results yet, at least none audio related. I did >> find some testing tools at rt.wiki.kernel.org, but don't know if and how >> they could be made relevant to audio low latency testing. >> >> I suppose the most interesting results would come from testing different >> kernels with jack/alsa and jack/ffado. >> >> Has anyone done such tests? > > There is jack_delay from fons, which can measure the effective overall > latency of your soundcard/drivers/jack/whatever. Plus there is a > "latency.pd" patch that does the same (but with less precision) and > which also features a nice "continuity" measurement, detecting cliks and > dropouts. > > best, P > I've must have seen "latency.pd" at some point, but forgotten about it. Since I use pd almost exclusively I will find it most useful. I will also have a look at jack_delay. Thanks. -- ailo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Dec 12 15:10:29 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:10:29 -0500 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf Message-ID: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> Greetings, Trying to hammer down the current recommendations for the limits.conf file. Ardour advises that 'memlock unlimited' is a bad idea, but what's the formula for setting that value ? Also, is the 'nice' line still needed ? If so, is there an optimal value ? TIA, dp From f.rech at yahoo.fr Sun Dec 12 15:15:27 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:15:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] MIDI connections (hardware setup) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D04E70F.3030307@yahoo.fr> Julien Claassen a ?crit : > Hello everyone1 > I'm pretty sure, that I'm stupid, but one can always try. I have a > setup here with two synths (both fully MIDI capable). I can only touch > one keyboard, the other one is sitting in an awkward place and can't > be moved. So this is the problem: Can I wire up the keyboard in such a > way that: > 1. I can use my main keyboard to control the other one and > 2. Use the main keyboard to control softsynths at the same time > (meaning without rewiring everytme). > I don't mind turning on both keybaords for playing a softsynth, as > long as the wiring can stay as it is. I'd rather not crawl in the > space over there in the corner and get myself hanged each time I try > to fiddle with the cables. > Kind regards > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Hi Julien, if you have a THRU in the slave keyboard, you can plug MIDI like that : master out > slave in slave thru > pc in pc out > master in And all you have to do is configure correctly MIDI channels to do what you like HTH, Fred From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Dec 12 15:16:03 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:16:03 -0500 Subject: [LAU] MIDI connections (hardware setup) In-Reply-To: <4D04DFC2.4050400@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <4D04DFC2.4050400@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <4D04E733.5040601@woh.rr.com> linuxdsp wrote: > Julien Claassen wrote: >> Hello everyone1 >> I'm pretty sure, that I'm stupid, but one can always try. I have a >> setup here with two synths (both fully MIDI capable). I can only >> touch one keyboard, the other one is sitting in an awkward place and >> can't be moved. So this is the problem: Can I wire up the keyboard in >> such a way that: >> 1. I can use my main keyboard to control the other one and >> 2. Use the main keyboard to control softsynths at the same time >> (meaning without rewiring everytme). >> I don't mind turning on both keybaords for playing a softsynth, as >> long as the wiring can stay as it is. I'd rather not crawl in the >> space over there in the corner and get myself hanged each time I try >> to fiddle with the cables. >> > MIDI Thru? Hi Julien, Run your main keyboard's MIDI Out to the second board's MIDI In port. Now you're controlling it from the main keys. Run a cable from the second keyboard's MIDI Thru to the MIDI In on your computer's MIDI interface, then use ALSA seq or JACK-MIDI to connect to your softsynth of choice. Let me know if that doesn't work. Best, dp From f.rech at yahoo.fr Sun Dec 12 15:20:36 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:20:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D04E844.9000906@yahoo.fr> Dave Phillips a ?crit : > Greetings, > > Trying to hammer down the current recommendations for the limits.conf > file. Ardour advises that 'memlock unlimited' is a bad idea, but > what's the formula for setting that value ? > > Also, is the 'nice' line still needed ? If so, is there an optimal > value ? > > TIA, > > dp > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Hi Dave, Do you faced a problem with unlimited memory ? In Qjackctl it sometimes recommend to set memory to 3/4 of RAM, but I never listen to that and everything almost cool here ! HTH, Fred From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 12 15:25:54 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:25:54 +0000 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:10:29 -0500 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings, > > Trying to hammer down the current recommendations for the limits.conf > file. Ardour advises that 'memlock unlimited' is a bad idea, but what's > the formula for setting that value ? > > Also, is the 'nice' line still needed ? If so, is there an optimal value ? > > TIA, > > dp My understanding is that Nice has been unnecessary for some time. Also, a lot of distros are moving away from the use of limits.conf - don't know what they use instead, just that my latest (squeeze) install asked me if I wanted it to set up audio when I installed qjackctl and a lot of other audio stuff. I said yes, and it did everything for me! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 15:31:26 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:31:26 -0200 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> Message-ID: I think that would make sense that jack's installation automatically changes limits.conf to whatever they already recommend, wouldn't it? I think ubuntu package is doing something like this. 2010/12/12 Folderol : > On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:10:29 -0500 > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Trying to hammer down the current recommendations for the limits.conf >> file. Ardour advises that 'memlock unlimited' is a bad idea, but what's >> the formula for setting that value ? >> >> Also, is the 'nice' line still needed ? If so, is there an optimal value ? >> >> TIA, >> >> dp > > My understanding is that Nice has been unnecessary for some time. Also, a lot > of distros are moving away from the use of limits.conf - don't know what they > use instead, just that my latest (squeeze) install asked me if I wanted it to > set up audio when I installed qjackctl and a lot of other audio stuff. I said > yes, and it did everything for me! > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Dec 12 15:37:04 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:37:04 -0500 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D04E844.9000906@yahoo.fr> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <4D04E844.9000906@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <4D04EC20.9080900@woh.rr.com> fred wrote: > > > Do you faced a problem with unlimited memory ? > > In Qjackctl it sometimes recommend to set memory to 3/4 of RAM, but I > never listen to that and everything almost cool here ! > I'm not experiencing any problems, I just wondered what to advise other users. Ardour warns me about the memlock setting, but it performs without problems. Am I just lucky or is there a disaster waiting to happen because I have the wrong setting ? Best, dp From linuxaudio at cryptomys.de Sun Dec 12 15:38:51 2010 From: linuxaudio at cryptomys.de (Martin Homuth-Rosemann) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:38:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> Message-ID: <4D04EC8B.50008@cryptomys.de> Am 12.12.2010 16:25, schrieb Folderol: > My understanding is that Nice has been unnecessary for some time. Also, a lot > of distros are moving away from the use of limits.conf - don't know what they > use instead, just that my latest (squeeze) install asked me if I wanted it to > set up audio when I installed qjackctl and a lot of other audio stuff. I said > yes, and it did everything for me! > Hi, my debian sid uses /etc/security/limits.d/*.conf files, e.g. audio.conf: # Provided by the jackd package. # # Changes to this file will be preserved. # # If you want to enable/disable realtime permissions, run # # dpkg-reconfigure -p high jackd @audio - rtprio 95 @audio - memlock unlimited #@audio - nice -19 Ciao, Martin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Dec 12 15:39:27 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:39:27 -0500 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> Message-ID: <4D04ECAF.2010003@woh.rr.com> Folderol wrote: > My understanding is that Nice has been unnecessary for some time. Also, a lot > of distros are moving away from the use of limits.conf - don't know what they > use instead, just that my latest (squeeze) install asked me if I wanted it to > set up audio when I installed qjackctl and a lot of other audio stuff. I said > yes, and it did everything for me! > Hi Will, Interesting. Things are getting easier. I prepared a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.04 for audio in only a few minutes, everything works fine. Best, dp From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 12 15:40:59 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:40:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <20101212152554.1fc384a7@debian> Message-ID: <4D04ED0B.3030300@autostatic.com> On 12/12/2010 04:31 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote: > I think that would make sense that jack's installation automatically > changes limits.conf to whatever they already recommend, wouldn't it? I > think ubuntu package is doing something like this. > Those settings are in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf in recent Debian-like distro's. Nice setting: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-March/067902.html Iirc Paul Davis mailed a while ago that setting memlock to unlimited is ok regarding Ardour and that is indeed kinda weird Jack complains about it. Can't find that mail back that fast. Best, Jeremy From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 12 15:50:50 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:50:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] MIDI connections (hardware setup) In-Reply-To: <4D04E733.5040601@woh.rr.com> References: <4D04DFC2.4050400@linuxdsp.co.uk> <4D04E733.5040601@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Hello! Yes it works perfectly now. And it's a pleasrue to have them all back. :-) I didn't really get around to doing that, since I moved over here. Best regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From arnold at arnoldarts.de Sun Dec 12 16:11:34 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:11:34 +0100 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D04EC20.9080900@woh.rr.com> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <4D04E844.9000906@yahoo.fr> <4D04EC20.9080900@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <201012121711.41775.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Sunday 12 December 2010 16:37:04 Dave Phillips wrote: > fred wrote: > > Do you faced a problem with unlimited memory ? > > > > In Qjackctl it sometimes recommend to set memory to 3/4 of RAM, but I > > never listen to that and everything almost cool here ! > > I'm not experiencing any problems, I just wondered what to advise other > users. Ardour warns me about the memlock setting, but it performs > without problems. Am I just lucky or is there a disaster waiting to > happen because I have the wrong setting ? Unlimited locked memory has the problem that one process can lock all your available ram. Which in itself will almost kill your system as everything has to be swapped out. And adding more swap will not help then to get your system back as all ram-memory is locked in place. Instant doom. Distributions seem to add unlimited memory-lock as default but I think that is only because they don't know your memory. Would be fun if they created the limit to 1/2 or 3/4 at installation time. Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From robin at gareus.org Sun Dec 12 16:17:15 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:17:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> Hi Ailo, Well this will get a bit long.. I hope you don't mind. On 12/12/2010 03:51 PM, ailo wrote: > On 12/12/2010 01:41 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: >> On 12/12/2010 01:03 PM, ailo wrote: >>> I've been looking around for any tests made comparing the different >>> kernels, -rt, generic, or any other type of realtime enchanced kernel. >>> I haven't found any test results yet, at least none audio related. I did >>> find some testing tools at rt.wiki.kernel.org, but don't know if and how >>> they could be made relevant to audio low latency testing. >>> >>> I suppose the most interesting results would come from testing different >>> kernels with jack/alsa and jack/ffado. >>> >>> Has anyone done such tests? >> >> It is not trivial to perform such tests and AFAIK there's no benchmark >> suite to automate the process. >> >> There are a few tools to test JACK's realtime performance: >> >> - the ardour-source includes `tools/jacktest.c` checks for the max DSP >> load at which an x-run occurs. >> >> - http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/jack_latency_tests >> git://rg42.org/latentor is a tool to automate measuring round-trip >> audio latency iterating all JACKd -n/-p/-S parameters >> However latentor is a pretty recent development and does not yet >> report x-runs. We watch qjackctl's icon for now. >> >> AFAICT there's no recipe. It's a matter of knowing some internals about >> RT-linux to come up with a proper kernel .config and doing real-life >> tests. I think it is impossible to assign a number "suitability for >> pro-audio" to a kernel. >> >> For testing performance of the 64studio RT kernel: I do run a couple of >> heavy-sessions (e.g. 16 jconvolvers in a 16 track ardour session + jamin >> which procudes quite some DSP, system and IO load). If there's no x-run >> at 32fpp*2p/48kHz after 24 h while I to surf the web and read email and >> compile another kernel in the meantime I bless the build OK :) There's a >> few additional things: wifi, suspend/resume, freq scaling, etc on the >> checklist, too. >> >> 2c, >> robin > > Thanks for your excellent info. > I will need to have a closer look on specific details to get a better > understanding of the problem with doing this kind of testing. > Kernel .config is not my language yet, for instance. > > From a practical point of view for someone as ignorant about the > technical details as myself, I suppose I'm just trying to get a general > idea of what you get from different kernels. > > So, I was making outlines on how to do these two things: > > 1. a test/script for making tests on a single machine to compare > performance on different kernels. > > 2. results summed up in a table that gives you a general idea of what > you get with different kernels. > > There could perhaps be a number of different tables for different > processors, assuming that the processor is the main important factor > that decides the actual latency you get with a kernel. > > These tests could then be published in a wiki, if deemed worthy. for 'latentor', Luis and me are pondering to move away from the wiki and add some phone-home support to collect data from various systems. But it's not high-priority and we question the use-fullness of such information, anyway. > - Why such a table should be made, and for who?: > > Some practical uses that may require a rt kernel: > * live audio processing (requires low latency) > * monitoring (requires low latency) > * using firewire devices (As far as I understand ffado works best with > -rt kernels) > > Possible/impossible? short-answer: "impossible" - meaning: theoretically possible but not feasible. long-answer and brainstorm: The question is whether it is worth the time to make it, and what can be learned from the information. End-users won't learn much from those statistics. Unless you have exactly the same hardware, it is close to impossible to draw conclusions. One would need to a) isolate the correlating factors and there are certainly much more than just the kernel-revision, flavor, CPU-speed and audio-interface. b) find values that can be measured reliably. eg. what would you learn from information such as: With kernel A on system B using sound-card C and jack-settings D one can run for >=X seconds without an x-run. where D is chosen to maximize X while f.i. minimizing latency. Besides there is no common goal: some end-users require huge I/O (read 128 audio tracks from disk). Others only need one channel but low latency, yet others only CPU power for effect-processing. As for making something that is useful for developers: compare different versions, do regression tests on the same system. It will take huge effort to pull it off. Maybe the Phoronix can be used as basis: They already laid a solid basis for statistical analysis and are working on a system that allows to cherry-pick revisions, change-sets and compare those. However AFAIK it runs in virtual-machine which makes it useless for testing rt performance, but there may be options to use it on bare-metal. IMHO low-latency is quite overrated. There are few use-cases that actually require it. If one really needs reliable low-latency (lets say <20ms) - s/he needs a realtime-kernel (and for live-performances also some other tweaks e.g. disable updated). A RT-linux system either works or it does not. The performance differences between different working rt-kernel revisions are usually quite subtle, and it is always possible to overload the system because of hardware limitations. For benchmarking different kernel revisions/systems: I suggest to stick to the rt-test tools such as hwlatdetect, cyclictest, pi_stress etc. Something that would be useful to have is a jack-audio stress-test suite! After installing a new system or getting new hardware: automatically run some tests to check the limits of the system. ardour's jacktest.c is a first step in that direction (testing CPU/DSP load). It could be supplemented by an I/O test tool (read audio-files from disk). An extended version of latentor, that uses jack_delay to find the lowest possible latency with no x-runs may be a 3rd, etc But that information would only be useful for you, not for others. 2c, robin From ailo.at at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 16:18:55 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:18:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D04F5EF.6090000@gmail.com> Also, for me, what is interesting is not exact numbers, but rather a general concept of how big the difference is between kernels. Publishing a table of results will also make it possible to know what to expect from let's say a certain intel atom processor run on a list of kernels from an example repository. I gather this could be helpful to the user when choosing hardware and distro to a project, if the project involves as earlier mentioned one of: * live audio processing * monitoring * using firewire devices > From a practical point of view for someone as ignorant about the > technical details as myself, I suppose I'm just trying to get a general > idea of what you get from different kernels. > > So, I was making outlines on how to do these two things: > > 1. a test/script for making tests on a single machine to compare > performance on different kernels. > > 2. results summed up in a table that gives you a general idea of what > you get with different kernels. > > There could perhaps be a number of different tables for different > processors, assuming that the processor is the main important factor > that decides the actual latency you get with a kernel. > > These tests could then be published in a wiki, if deemed worthy. > > - Why such a table should be made, and for who?: > > Some practical uses that may require a rt kernel: > * live audio processing (requires low latency) > * monitoring (requires low latency) > * using firewire devices (As far as I understand ffado works best with > -rt kernels) > > Possible/impossible? > -- ailo From plessas at mur.at Sun Dec 12 16:58:32 2010 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:58:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] artificial reverb via ambisonics systems In-Reply-To: <4D04CE3E.1060001@vegri.net> References: <4D04CE3E.1060001@vegri.net> Message-ID: <4D04FF38.9040905@mur.at> Giso Grimm wrote: > Does anyone know about an artificial reverb (plugin or standalone jack > application), which produces ambisonics output? Of course Fons' software, plus I'd like to mention IEM's cubemixer too, which has two reverb engines whose taps are being encoded as ambisonic sources: http://ambisonics.iem.at/xchange/products/cubemixer/releases/2.0 best, P From ailo.at at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 17:03:46 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:03:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04C2FA.8000901@gareus.org> <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D050072.9040900@gmail.com> On 12/12/2010 05:17 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > long-answer and brainstorm: > > The question is whether it is worth the time to make it, and what can be > learned from the information. > > End-users won't learn much from those statistics. Unless you have > exactly the same hardware, it is close to impossible to draw > conclusions. One would need to > a) isolate the correlating factors and there are certainly much more > than just the kernel-revision, flavor, CPU-speed and audio-interface. > b) find values that can be measured reliably. > > eg. what would you learn from information such as: > With kernel A on system B using sound-card C and jack-settings D > one can run for>=X seconds without an x-run. > where D is chosen to maximize X while f.i. minimizing latency. > > Besides there is no common goal: some end-users require huge I/O (read > 128 audio tracks from disk). Others only need one channel but low > latency, yet others only CPU power for effect-processing. > > > As for making something that is useful for developers: compare different > versions, do regression tests on the same system. It will take huge > effort to pull it off. Maybe the Phoronix can be used as basis: They > already laid a solid basis for statistical analysis and are working on a > system that allows to cherry-pick revisions, change-sets and compare > those. However AFAIK it runs in virtual-machine which makes it useless > for testing rt performance, but there may be options to use it on > bare-metal. > > IMHO low-latency is quite overrated. There are few use-cases that > actually require it. If one really needs reliable low-latency (lets say > <20ms) - s/he needs a realtime-kernel (and for live-performances also > some other tweaks e.g. disable updated). > This is what I am thinking too. Which is why I think rt-kernels should only be recommended to those users who need them, considering that rt-kernels often cause non audio-related issues (problems installing graphic drivers, etc). Then there is the developers point of view. To whom and for what end are they maintaining rt-kernels? > A RT-linux system either works or it does not. The performance > differences between different working rt-kernel revisions are usually > quite subtle, and it is always possible to overload the system because > of hardware limitations. > > For benchmarking different kernel revisions/systems: I suggest to stick > to the rt-test tools such as hwlatdetect, cyclictest, pi_stress etc. > > Something that would be useful to have is a jack-audio stress-test suite! > After installing a new system or getting new hardware: automatically run > some tests to check the limits of the system. > ardour's jacktest.c is a first step in that direction (testing CPU/DSP > load). It could be supplemented by an I/O test tool (read audio-files > from disk). An extended version of latentor, that uses jack_delay to > find the lowest possible latency with no x-runs may be a 3rd, etc > > But that information would only be useful for you, not for others. > > 2c, > robin -- ailo From capoeirista at arcor.de Sun Dec 12 17:12:01 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:12:01 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> Message-ID: <201012121512.01591.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em domingo 12 dezembro 2010, ?s 14:17:15, Robin Gareus escreveu: > If one really needs reliable low-latency (lets say > <20ms) - s/he needs a realtime-kernel I uninstalled my RT-Kernel because since 2.6.35 and now with 2.6.36 I get LOWER latencies with them than with 2.6.33-RT From robin at linuxaudio.org Sun Dec 12 17:33:45 2010 From: robin at linuxaudio.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:33:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <201012121512.01591.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> <201012121512.01591.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D050779.1090501@linuxaudio.org> On 12/12/2010 06:12 PM, Fabio wrote: > uninstalled my RT-Kernel because since 2.6.35 and now with 2.6.36 I get LOWER latencies with them than with 2.6.33-RT I don't doubt that, RT is usually slower due to overhead. But it's much more reliable especially so when you move towards the limits of the system. 2c, robin From ronaldjstewart at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 17:42:40 2010 From: ronaldjstewart at gmail.com (Ronald Stewart) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:42:40 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: <201012121512.01591.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> <201012121512.01591.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: Hi, I would go with what Robin said. That being said, Robin's tweaks on Transmission last year on 89 set the pace for our build (brilliant!). Since then tuning jack2 (jackdmp) Rui's rtirq, plus tuning for specific chips / computer hardware makes a difference. If you want something now that truly stands up and has had some of the best Linux developers touch the project, go with Transmission 4.2. I know Paul will jump in and tune us all up with our thoughts (go Paul!) but it should be stated again we are getting lights out performance without RT on our new multi-touch Tablets for Pro Audio with 2.6.35, Meego/AtomN450. Lastly, Transmission is only $39.00 for LAD and LAU (insert cheap plug here) and that covers our license agreement payments to our partners, support, and ongoing development. Another cheap plug is we are about to launch and open the beta program for the tablet and the interest has been amazing!!! www.indamixx.com Thank you Ronald Stewart Creative Director Trinity Audio Group Inc. 9854 National Blvd. #322 Los Angeles CA 90034 310-733-9285 ronaldjstewart at gmail.com On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Fabio wrote: > Em domingo 12 dezembro 2010, ?s 14:17:15, Robin Gareus escreveu: > > If one really needs reliable low-latency (lets say > > <20ms) - s/he needs a realtime-kernel > > I uninstalled my RT-Kernel because since 2.6.35 and now with 2.6.36 I get > LOWER latencies with them than with 2.6.33-RT > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Sun Dec 12 18:22:28 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:22:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Realtime latency kernel testing In-Reply-To: References: <4D04BA02.1090505@gmail.com> <4D04E188.4040002@gmail.com> <4D04F58B.4020207@gareus.org> <201012121512.01591.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D0512E4.2040901@autostatic.com> On 12/12/2010 06:42 PM, Ronald Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > I would go with what Robin said. That being said, Robin's tweaks on > Transmission last year on 89 set the pace for our build (brilliant!). Since > then tuning jack2 (jackdmp) Rui's rtirq, plus tuning for specific chips / > computer hardware makes a difference. If you want something now that truly > stands up and has had some of the best Linux developers touch the project, > go with Transmission 4.2. I know Paul will jump in and tune us all up with > our thoughts (go Paul!) but it should be stated again we are getting lights > out performance without RT on our new multi-touch Tablets for Pro Audio with > 2.6.35, Meego/AtomN450. So with 2.6.35 rtirq also works with a non real-time kernel? Best, Jeremy From kim at anechoicmedia.com Sun Dec 12 20:09:16 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:09:16 -0800 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer Message-ID: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> I have a midi file that I need to analyze i.e. see tempo, time signature, note ons/offs, cc# and data etc etc... is there something like MIDI-OX for Linux or a sequencer that can do a forensic analysis of a midi file? if so please advise? thanks in advance KIM From lsutton at libero.it Sun Dec 12 20:32:57 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:32:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D053179.8010409@libero.it> Kim Cascone wrote: > I have a midi file that I need to analyze i.e. see tempo, time > signature, note ons/offs, cc# and data etc etc... > > is there something like MIDI-OX for Linux or a sequencer that can do a > forensic analysis of a midi file? > > if so please advise? For basic text output mftext (I think in all distributions part of ABC utilities IIRC) For something more advanced you could look into the various Python MIDI libraries and then hack up the analysis logic yourself. Lorenzo > > thanks in advance > KIM > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Dec 12 20:51:12 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:51:12 -0500 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D0535C0.6030908@woh.rr.com> Kim Cascone wrote: > I have a midi file that I need to analyze i.e. see tempo, time > signature, note ons/offs, cc# and data etc etc... > > is there something like MIDI-OX for Linux or a sequencer that can do a > forensic analysis of a midi file? Hi Kim, Play it through KMidimon or GMidiMonitor ? http://kmidimon.sourceforge.net/index.shtml http://home.gna.org/gmidimonitor/ Best, dp From bob at mellowood.ca Sun Dec 12 20:51:52 2010 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:51:52 -0700 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: I always use mf2t to examine midi's. All text, but quite accurate. I always have a hard time finding it ... but I think this linik will work: http://cd.textfiles.com/audio11000/UNIX/MIDI/ On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I have a midi file that I need to analyze i.e. see tempo, time signature, > note ons/offs, cc# and data etc etc... > > is there something like MIDI-OX for Linux or a sequencer that can do a > forensic analysis of a midi file? > > if so please advise? > > thanks in advance > KIM > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- **** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW:?? http://www.mellowood.ca From ken at restivo.org Sun Dec 12 21:46:31 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:46:31 -0800 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <4D053179.8010409@libero.it> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4D053179.8010409@libero.it> Message-ID: <20101212214631.GD24752@aieee.restivo.org> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:32:57PM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Kim Cascone wrote: >> I have a midi file that I need to analyze i.e. see tempo, time >> signature, note ons/offs, cc# and data etc etc... >> >> is there something like MIDI-OX for Linux or a sequencer that can do a >> forensic analysis of a midi file? >> >> if so please advise? > For basic text output mftext (I think in all distributions part of ABC > utilities IIRC) > > For something more advanced you could look into the various Python MIDI > libraries and then hack up the analysis logic yourself. > mftext works great (part of "abcmidi" package on Debian/Ubuntu/etc). I generally use midi.el MIDI mode in emacs for looking at MIDI files. If I want to know MUSICALLY what's in there (I can't hear note numbers and timestamps in my head), I fire it up in Rosegarden and look at the piano roll, or if it's pretty normalized, in Denemo and have a look at the notes on a staff. -ken From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 12 21:49:07 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:49:07 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New (old) Song Message-ID: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> Some friends and I wrote this in 1990 for the Romanian orphans. We had hoped to get it recorded and published but didn't have a clue what we were doing, so it never happened. From time to time the rough tape we did would surface and I'd feel guilty about it. A few years ago I went as far and transcribing it and making a basic recording of the melody. Recently, after much self castigation, I finally got down to making a proper recording and singing the song so here it is. It is not only for those orphans of 20 years ago, but for my friends (who are now gone) and for all the children still being abandoned around the world. http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Corridors_Of_Shame.ogg Hmm. I don't think 'enjoy' is the right word. Corridors Of Shame Take my hand and walk with me, through the corridors of shame. See the untold horrors, of misery and pain. Hungry, frightened children, cramped five to a tiny bed. Haunted eyes that see nothing, of what may lay ahead. -- Chorus See the tiny faces, eyes so full of pain. All along the stark, corridors of shame. Tell me, oh! Please tell me, Do I really have a name? Or was I born to live and die, in corridors of shame? -- No one really wants them, to the world, they are not there. They don't exist, have no names, in the corridors of shame. There's no one there to hold them, or hear them when they cry. No one really has a care, if they live or die. -- Chorus -- For them there is no Christmas, no way of playing games. All they do is stare at walls, of the corridors of shame. So let's all sing together, to give these kids their names, and take them all within our hearts, from corridors of shame. -- Chorus -- -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From bob at mellowood.ca Sun Dec 12 22:02:26 2010 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:02:26 -0700 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <20101212214631.GD24752@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4D053179.8010409@libero.it> <20101212214631.GD24752@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: > I generally use midi.el MIDI mode in emacs for looking at MIDI files. Ken, any idea where one can get midi-mode for emacs. I struck out in my google search :) -- **** Listen to my CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob at mellowood.ca WWW:?? http://www.mellowood.ca From ken at restivo.org Sun Dec 12 22:41:56 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:41:56 -0800 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4D053179.8010409@libero.it> <20101212214631.GD24752@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101212224156.GE24752@aieee.restivo.org> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 03:02:26PM -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote: > > I generally use midi.el MIDI mode in emacs for looking at MIDI files. > > Ken, any idea where one can get midi-mode for emacs. I struck out in > my google search :) > Huh, weird, I can't find it anywhere on the internets either. Well, here it is for now: http://restivo.org/misc/midi.el -ken From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 12 22:45:08 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:45:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys - Glade jul, dejlige jul Message-ID: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> Hi 3rd sunday of advent! I've made a new version (new melody and music) of the danish christmas carol "Glade jul, dejlige jul". http://music.modlys.dk/track/glade-jul-dejlige-jul http://atte.dk/download/glade_jul_dejlige_jul.mp3 This time it's a little different, basically a pop tune with a touch of chiptune... Feedback welcome, as always. Hope you enjoy! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From accensi at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 22:54:44 2010 From: accensi at gmail.com (A. C. Censi) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:54:44 -0200 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <20101212224156.GE24752@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4D053179.8010409@libero.it> <20101212214631.GD24752@aieee.restivo.org> <20101212224156.GE24752@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 03:02:26PM -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote: >> > I generally use midi.el MIDI mode in emacs for looking at MIDI files. >> >> Ken, any idea where one can get midi-mode for emacs. I struck out in >> my google search :) >> > > Huh, weird, I can't find it anywhere on the internets either. > http://delysid.org/emacs/midi.el http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-devel at gnu.org/msg03231.html Regards -- A. C. Censi accensi [em] gmail [ponto] com accensi [em] montreal [ponto] com [ponto] br From ken at restivo.org Sun Dec 12 22:54:31 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:54:31 -0800 Subject: [LAU] A teeny-tiny Beatrix placement Message-ID: <20101212225431.GF24752@aieee.restivo.org> Beatrix (and zita-convolver) is the B3/Leslie used on the last (and title) track on FireHead Jerry's "Sidewalks". I did the organ track in a quick session month or two ago, and the album is now out: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/sidewalks/id408111018?uo=4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FCFRXY/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1291657626&sr=8-1-spell No free downloads from these guys, sorry. The whole album is worth buying though if you are into folky pop. -ken From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 12 23:00:10 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:00:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New (old) Song In-Reply-To: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> References: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> Message-ID: Hello Will! I just listened to the tune and in the way you wrote the music, it gives much more hope, than the lyrics suggest. It almost sounds happy. I almost had anm urge to take the lyrics and try to do something different with it. But I guess, whatever I did, it wouldn't be right, as it would be much too prententions. At least I know myself enough for that. :-) But as too the sentiment: I think when it comes to art, you can always enjoy it. Even if it's sad or heart breaking you can enjoy it on the artistic or emotional level. Even if a song or poem doesn't seem particularly artistic and sad at the same time, I could enjoy it, if it struck a chord in my heart. So yes, in one way I did enjoy it, as the lyrics struck a chord. The music was too happy for me, but I thik I voices that oppinion a few times. :-) Still nice work and I do like the vocals, they fit the piece, so unpretentious and like a caring parent or grandparent. Just like one of your family would sing something for a child to go to bed. I know that from my own mother, when I was quite young. Never a singer, but you could perceive the meaning, when she sang. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 12 23:07:05 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:07:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys - Glade jul, dejlige jul In-Reply-To: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> References: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> Message-ID: Hello Atte! Although I'm even not finished listening to your piece, I love it! I feel it has a few of the elemtns I always felt your music could use to achieve more potential in one way. Of course it is closer to other music now, so not as unique. But I still think it sounds superb and much to the linking of the pop fan in me. As you might have gathered the pop fan in me loves Britney Spears and the lot and this song has the punch to it. I suppose it's mostly due to the punchy drums and the orchestral hit sample. It's very upbeat and frank and not celubrious, that of course makes it adorable as a chrsitmas tune on top of everything else. :-) I knew you had it in you to make a perfect electro POP song! :-) Lovely I'd like to see this line continued in parallel t your usual "Atte" line of songs, which is just you and noone else I know! Thanks for sharing and do go on! Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 12 23:15:30 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:15:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys - Glade jul, dejlige jul In-Reply-To: References: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D055792.6060308@email.dk> On 2010-12-13 00:07, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Atte! > Although I'm even not finished listening to your piece, I love it! Thanks for all the kind words. Frankly I struggled quite a lot with this one to avoid total "blah". A happy pop tune in major, with two chords is a *very* tricky thing for me to do. Glad you liked it, not sure I'll be able to keep up in this direction :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 12 23:25:06 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:25:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys - Glade jul, dejlige jul In-Reply-To: <4D055792.6060308@email.dk> References: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> <4D055792.6060308@email.dk> Message-ID: Hello Atte1 Well I think it wasn't due to the fact, that you only used two chords, I really didn't listen out for that right now. I might tomorrow. But now it's late and we had a birtyhday party, if you get my meaning. But the general feeling of the song. The arrangement and th sounds used. Always since I heard "det nu", I was seeing a remix in my mind, which I didn't try my hand at, only because I don't have a well enough MIDI sequencing setup yet. :-) Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From harryhaaren at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 23:56:11 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:56:11 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A teeny-tiny Beatrix placement In-Reply-To: <20101212225431.GF24752@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101212225431.GF24752@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > Beatrix (and zita-convolver) is the B3/Leslie used on the last (and title) > track on FireHead Jerry's "Sidewalks". I did the organ track in a quick > session month or two ago > Any chance you could post a 5 sec demo of just the Organ sound? Or beatrix / zita setting files.. I'm curious!? Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 13 02:49:38 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:49:38 -0500 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: <201012121711.41775.arnold@arnoldarts.de> References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <4D04E844.9000906@yahoo.fr> <4D04EC20.9080900@woh.rr.com> <201012121711.41775.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: The current "official" position is at http://jackaudio.org/linux_rt_config and it would be really helpful if other replies to similar questions in the future just point people there. It is also true that (oddly) JACK and Ardour do not see eye-to-eye on the correct setting for memlock. I will rectify that in the next release of one of them. Its also true that Ardour's message only kicks in if you memlock less than 75% of your physical RAM, which it uses a very vague heuristic for a "reasonable setting". To expand (again) on something mentioned on that FAQ page and earlier in thread and in other threads: nice(1) is not just "no longer necessary", it was NEVER necessary, NEVER had anything to with proper scheduling of realtime threads, and should NEVER be discussed in connection with JACK and its clients. It is very unfortunate that the myth that nice is somehow related to all this stuff has propagated so far and wide - the myth is false, was always false and will always be false. Please do not mention nice to people in connection with audio application scheduling and please correct other people when they do. Its unfortunate that even people like Linus Torvalds fall into this bad habit, although he will at least admit the mistake when pushed. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 13 03:03:07 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:03:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys - Glade jul, dejlige jul In-Reply-To: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> References: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > 3rd sunday of advent! I've made a new version (new melody and music) of the > danish christmas carol "Glade jul, dejlige jul". > > http://music.modlys.dk/track/glade-jul-dejlige-jul > http://atte.dk/download/glade_jul_dejlige_jul.mp3 > > This time it's a little different, basically a pop tune with a touch of > chiptune... I must say that I preferred the opening, which really had a fantastic tone to it in every way. I very much like the use of the (presumably) delay-enriched keyboard figure - it provides the same sort of quality that The Edge does in U2's Joshua Tree or more recently The Temper Trap can be heard using, though with much subtlety. But even if I didn't love the drums arriving, the production quality (given the genre) is really great. I'd love to hear a longer, moody and dark piece that develops the opening without the drums and/or a different version that uses more organic sounding percussion in place of the syndrums. Djembes, shakers, maybe some dumbek, that kind of thing. The somewhat restrained keyboard solo toward the end also offered hints of something bigger, much, much bigger. Always good to hear talent at work. From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 03:27:42 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:27:42 -0800 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <4D04E844.9000906@yahoo.fr> <4D04EC20.9080900@woh.rr.com> <201012121711.41775.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Paul Davis wrote: Its also true that Ardour's message only kicks > in if you memlock less than 75% of your physical RAM, which it uses a > very vague heuristic for a "reasonable setting". > > Humm... 18GB? I must check that one of these days... ;-) - Mark From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 13 03:47:30 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:47:30 -0500 Subject: [LAU] questions about limits.conf In-Reply-To: References: <4D04E5E5.1070008@woh.rr.com> <4D04E844.9000906@yahoo.fr> <4D04EC20.9080900@woh.rr.com> <201012121711.41775.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > Its also true that Ardour's message only kicks >> in if you memlock less than 75% of your physical RAM, which it uses a >> very vague heuristic for a "reasonable setting". >> >> > > Humm... 18GB? I must check that one of these days... ;-) just to be clear, i meant to say " if your limits.conf configuration specifies less than 75% of physical RAM not if ardour memlocks .... --p From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 06:15:18 2010 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 07:15:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <4D0535C0.6030908@woh.rr.com> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4D0535C0.6030908@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <201012130715.19142.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Sunday 12 December 2010, Dave Phillips wrote: > Kim Cascone wrote: > > I have a midi file that I need to analyze i.e. see tempo, time > > signature, note ons/offs, cc# and data etc etc... > > > > is there something like MIDI-OX for Linux or a sequencer that can do a > > forensic analysis of a midi file? > > Hi Kim, > > Play it through KMidimon or GMidiMonitor ? > > http://kmidimon.sourceforge.net/index.shtml > > http://home.gna.org/gmidimonitor/ KMidimon records and displays MIDI events, but it can also play MIDI files directly, without an external player program. Recent versions understand Cakewalk and Overture files as well. Regards, Pedro From rustompmody at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 07:34:53 2010 From: rustompmody at gmail.com (Rustom Mody) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:04:53 +0530 Subject: [LAU] midi analyzer In-Reply-To: <20101212224156.GE24752@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4D052BEC.2060404@anechoicmedia.com> <4D053179.8010409@libero.it> <20101212214631.GD24752@aieee.restivo.org> <20101212224156.GE24752@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: When I try this midi.el on a midi file I get: file-mode specification error (This is emacs 23.1) This midi file plays alright in timidity On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 03:02:26PM -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote: >> > I generally use midi.el MIDI mode in emacs for looking at MIDI files. >> >> Ken, any idea where one can get midi-mode for emacs. I struck out in >> my google search :) >> > > Huh, weird, I can't find it anywhere on the internets either. > > Well, here it is for now: > > http://restivo.org/misc/midi.el > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Dec 13 07:42:24 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:42:24 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New (old) Song In-Reply-To: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> References: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> Message-ID: <67f1399ceb37569beb1a4bea4e82f4f1.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Sun, December 12, 2010 1:49 pm, Folderol wrote: > Some friends and I wrote this in 1990 for the Romanian orphans. We had > hoped to > get it recorded and published but didn't have a clue what we were doing, > so it > never happened. > > From time to time the rough tape we did would surface and I'd feel guilty > about > it. A few years ago I went as far and transcribing it and making a basic > recording of the melody. Recently, after much self castigation, I finally > got > down to making a proper recording and singing the song so here it is. > > It is not only for those orphans of 20 years ago, but for my friends (who > are > now gone) and for all the children still being abandoned around the world. > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Corridors_Of_Shame.ogg > > Hmm. I don't think 'enjoy' is the right word. Very powerful lyrics. Your voice has aspects of Roger Waters and Eric Clapton. Maybe you could get this track into their hands and they could really take it somewhere? Thanks for sharing. > > Corridors Of Shame > > Take my hand and walk with me, > through the corridors of shame. > See the untold horrors, > of misery and pain. > Hungry, frightened children, > cramped five to a tiny bed. > Haunted eyes that see nothing, > of what may lay ahead. > > -- Chorus > > See the tiny faces, > eyes so full of pain. > All along the stark, > corridors of shame. > Tell me, oh! Please tell me, > Do I really have a name? > Or was I born to live and die, > in corridors of shame? > > -- > > No one really wants them, > to the world, they are not there. > They don't exist, have no names, > in the corridors of shame. > There's no one there to hold them, > or hear them when they cry. > No one really has a care, > if they live or die. > > -- Chorus -- > > For them there is no Christmas, > no way of playing games. > All they do is stare at walls, > of the corridors of shame. > So let's all sing together, > to give these kids their names, and > take them all within our hearts, > from corridors of shame. > > -- Chorus -- > > -- > Will J Godfrey > http://www.musically.me.uk > Say you have a poem and I have a tune. > Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From atte at email.dk Mon Dec 13 08:01:46 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:01:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys - Glade jul, dejlige jul In-Reply-To: References: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D05D2EA.6000706@email.dk> On 2010-12-13 04:03, Paul Davis wrote: > I must say that I preferred the opening, which really had a fantastic > tone to it in every way. I very much like the use of the (presumably) > delay-enriched keyboard figure - it provides the same sort of quality > that The Edge does in U2's Joshua Tree or more recently The Temper > Trap can be heard using, though with much subtlety. I agree that it hints of U2, especially in the EP figure that's buried in the chorus. > But even if I didn't love the drums arriving, the production quality > (given the genre) is really great. I'd love to hear a longer, moody > and dark piece that develops the opening without the drums and/or a > different version that uses more organic sounding percussion in place > of the syndrums. Djembes, shakers, maybe some dumbek, that kind of > thing. The somewhat restrained keyboard solo toward the end also > offered hints of something bigger, much, much bigger. Maybe the problem is that the intro suggests something that's not coming. I tried to build up to a surprise, but it might be that the surprise is in fact (at least to some ears) is actually a disappointment. I thought about revealing more of the actual tune in the intro (thereby spoiling the surprise, but avoiding the disappointment), for instance by having the full chorus without vocals going as intro. But that makes it a little too much with both 1st and 2nd verse going sparse... > Always good to hear talent at work. Thanks! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 09:08:09 2010 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:08:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch Message-ID: Hi you all, what do you think about that? Have you got some personal experience? http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/2010/10/bfs-in-real-time.html Regards Raffaele -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From no-reply at dropboxmail.com Mon Dec 13 10:06:10 2010 From: no-reply at dropboxmail.com (Dropbox) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:06:10 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Sean Hunt invited you to Dropbox Message-ID: <20101213100610.2210541727B@mailman-2.dropboxmail.com> Sean Hunt wants you to use Dropbox to sync and share files online and across computers. 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Just patching it in and expecting it to work for you will not really give you any advantage." is not really true. It is true that there are quite a few complexities to using the RT patchset's full capabilities. Most people probably do not use them. But this doesn't mean that a general claim that the patchset offers them no benefits is wrong. Its really completely wrong to claim that someone actually *doing* audio recording would need to understand this sort of stuff - if you write software for that purpose, then its more correct, but even then part of the point of JACK is to hide that sort of thing for the majority of applications. This quote: "Human perceptible latencies are in the millisecond range, where anything within about the 5ms range will not be noticeable. The -rt patchset is designed to decrease latencies in the microsecond range" is misleading, because it ignores the cumulative effects of scheduling delays. You really do want stuff to just be as fast as possible. My own take on this is that Con Kolivas has some interesting insights and does some cool stuff with his scheduling patches, but he seems to always be at odds with the other kernel scheduler folk. He also has never quite seemed to grasp what realtime audio actually requires, and in his defense tends to say that he's more interested in the "desktop". Anecdotally, a couple of people on IRC have noted that their desktop behaviour with BFS is very nice. I haven't seen any evidence that its better for RT scheduling than the current mainstream kernel, let alone the RT patch. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 13 12:50:02 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:50:02 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New (old) Song In-Reply-To: References: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> Message-ID: <20101213125002.0c7734fd@debian> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:00:10 +0100 (CET) Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Will! > I just listened to the tune and in the way you wrote the music, it gives > much more hope, than the lyrics suggest. It almost sounds happy. Hi Julian. Yes, this was actually a deliberate decision. The original was far more sombre. It was the addition of the bass and guitar that totally changed it's nature. Mind you, even the piano brightens the song slightly. Rather like many protest songs of the 1960s that had a serious content, I wanted people to identify with the tune so it sort of fixed in their minds before they fully appreciated the content. As an amateur psychologist I'd probably make a good orange sexer :) The 'lite' version is here (temporarily): http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Corridors_Lite.ogg The full story about how this song came to be is here: http://www.musically.me.uk/corridors.html -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 13 12:53:30 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:53:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New (old) Song In-Reply-To: <67f1399ceb37569beb1a4bea4e82f4f1.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> <67f1399ceb37569beb1a4bea4e82f4f1.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20101213125330.1bfdfbe6@debian> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:42:24 -0800 "Patrick Shirkey" wrote: > On Sun, December 12, 2010 1:49 pm, Folderol wrote: > > Some friends and I wrote this in 1990 for the Romanian orphans. We had > > hoped to > > get it recorded and published but didn't have a clue what we were doing, > > so it > > never happened. > > > > From time to time the rough tape we did would surface and I'd feel guilty > > about > > it. A few years ago I went as far and transcribing it and making a basic > > recording of the melody. Recently, after much self castigation, I finally > > got > > down to making a proper recording and singing the song so here it is. > > > > It is not only for those orphans of 20 years ago, but for my friends (who > > are > > now gone) and for all the children still being abandoned around the world. > > > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Corridors_Of_Shame.ogg > > > > Hmm. I don't think 'enjoy' is the right word. > > > Very powerful lyrics. > > Your voice has aspects of Roger Waters and Eric Clapton. Maybe you could > get this track into their hands and they could really take it somewhere? > > Thanks for sharing. Thank you very much for your comments Patrick. Unfortunately I expect mainstream artists would regard this as 'old news'. Then again I wouldn't have a clue how to contact them. I expect they have an entire industry filtering out the fan-mail! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From robin at gareus.org Mon Dec 13 12:57:56 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:57:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> On 12/13/2010 01:13 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > 2010/12/13 Raffaele Morelli : >> Hi you all, >> >> what do you think about that? Have you got some personal experience? >> http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/2010/10/bfs-in-real-time.html yes. In short: Desktop performance: amazing, Desktop-audio-performance: good, pro-audio performance: deficient. > This quote: > > "If you were doing semi-professional audio recording you might, and > then you'd need to understand the inner workings of the software and > the -rt patchset to make the most of it. Just patching it in and > expecting it to work for you will not really give you any advantage." > > is not really true. It is true that there are quite a few complexities > to using the RT patchset's full capabilities. Most people probably do > not use them. But this doesn't mean that a general claim that the > patchset offers them no benefits is wrong. quite, but it is true in the sense that it is much easier to screw up a kernel by blindly applying patches and generating a .config if you don't know what you're doing (and sometimes even if you know what you're doing). Also, one needs additional tools (like rtirq) to make good use of RT-linux, while -bfs runs OOTB. However these days most distributions do that setup for the users. > Its really completely wrong > to claim that someone actually *doing* audio recording would need to > understand this sort of stuff - if you write software for that > purpose, then its more correct, but even then part of the point of > JACK is to hide that sort of thing for the majority of applications. > > This quote: > > "Human perceptible latencies are in the millisecond range, where > anything within about the 5ms range will not be noticeable. The -rt > patchset is designed to decrease latencies in the microsecond range" > > is misleading, because it ignores the cumulative effects of scheduling > delays. You really do want stuff to just be as fast as possible. I don't care so much about speed. The important issue in pro-audio is reliability. It's not the smallest possible latency that counts, but the max. latency of the system. > My own take on this is that Con Kolivas has some interesting insights > and does some cool stuff with his scheduling patches, but he seems to > always be at odds with the other kernel scheduler folk. He also has > never quite seemed to grasp what realtime audio actually requires, and > in his defense tends to say that he's more interested in the > "desktop". > > Anecdotally, a couple of people on IRC have noted that their desktop > behaviour with BFS is very nice. I haven't seen any evidence that its > better for RT scheduling than the current mainstream kernel, let alone > the RT patch. I can second this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.rt.user/6512 FWIW: the "200 lines kernel patch" (also discussed on this list a few weeks back), -bfs, etc are great to improve speed on the Desktop but they do not yield _reliable_ low latency. 2c, robin From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 13 13:02:04 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:02:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New (old) Song In-Reply-To: <20101213125002.0c7734fd@debian> References: <20101212214907.23eb9193@debian> <20101213125002.0c7734fd@debian> Message-ID: Thank you, Will. It's interesting to make a ide by side comparison of the two versions. I think I enjoy the full version a little more. I don't know, your voice sits better in it. The bass helps to give it a complete frame to sit in. Warm regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 13:28:50 2010 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:28:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> References: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> Message-ID: 2010/12/13 Robin Gareus > On 12/13/2010 01:13 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > > 2010/12/13 Raffaele Morelli : > >> Hi you all, > >> > >> what do you think about that? Have you got some personal experience? > >> http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/2010/10/bfs-in-real-time.html > > yes. In short: Desktop performance: amazing, Desktop-audio-performance: > good, pro-audio performance: deficient. > > > This quote: > > > > "If you were doing semi-professional audio recording you might, and > > then you'd need to understand the inner workings of the software and > > the -rt patchset to make the most of it. Just patching it in and > > expecting it to work for you will not really give you any advantage." > > > > is not really true. It is true that there are quite a few complexities > > to using the RT patchset's full capabilities. Most people probably do > > not use them. But this doesn't mean that a general claim that the > > patchset offers them no benefits is wrong. > I really hoped that :) I am now sure that RT patchset is something for kernel folks to deal with, but neverthless that it's something good to apply for me. > quite, but it is true in the sense that it is much easier to screw up a > kernel by blindly applying patches and generating a .config if you don't > know what you're doing (and sometimes even if you know what you're > doing). Also, one needs additional tools (like rtirq) to make good use > of RT-linux, while -bfs runs OOTB. > However these days most distributions do that setup for the users. > well, I always followed http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Low_latency_howto and never screwed up a kernel I don't care so much about speed. The important issue in pro-audio is > reliability. It's not the smallest possible latency that counts, but the > max. latency of the system. > I really did not understand this statement and anyway I would not agree... why anybody should be safe knowing that his box max latency is 20ms instead of 50ms or 70ms? Regards -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Dec 13 14:23:15 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:23:15 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Licheness - new AVSynthesis video/audio Message-ID: <4D062C53.1090505@woh.rr.com> Greetings, I've placed a new video on my channel at YouTube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vO-hHhL5KI It's titled Licheness. Unlike my other pieces this one uses music by someone else - Richard James, aka Aphex Twin. However, the original music has been rather twisted by a waveguide filter. This video is also another one rendered to a lossless H264 compression format. Hopefully the visual results are better for it. All the usual caveats apply. View at your own hazard. Always wear a helmet and a seatbelt. Keep away from children. Best, dp From robin at gareus.org Mon Dec 13 14:25:44 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:25:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: References: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> On 12/13/2010 02:28 PM, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > 2010/12/13 Robin Gareus > >> On 12/13/2010 01:13 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >>> 2010/12/13 Raffaele Morelli : >>>> Hi you all, >>>> >>>> what do you think about that? Have you got some personal experience? >>>> http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/2010/10/bfs-in-real-time.html >> >> yes. In short: Desktop performance: amazing, Desktop-audio-performance: >> good, pro-audio performance: deficient. >> >>> This quote: >>> >>> "If you were doing semi-professional audio recording you might, and >>> then you'd need to understand the inner workings of the software and >>> the -rt patchset to make the most of it. Just patching it in and >>> expecting it to work for you will not really give you any advantage." >>> >>> is not really true. It is true that there are quite a few complexities >>> to using the RT patchset's full capabilities. Most people probably do >>> not use them. But this doesn't mean that a general claim that the >>> patchset offers them no benefits is wrong. >> > > I really hoped that :) > I am now sure that RT patchset is something for kernel folks to deal with, > but neverthless that it's something good to apply for me. > > > >> quite, but it is true in the sense that it is much easier to screw up a >> kernel by blindly applying patches and generating a .config if you don't >> know what you're doing (and sometimes even if you know what you're >> doing). Also, one needs additional tools (like rtirq) to make good use >> of RT-linux, while -bfs runs OOTB. >> However these days most distributions do that setup for the users. >> > > well, I always followed > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Low_latency_howto and never > screwed up a kernel Lucky you :) The information on the alsa-wiki is very good, but not every user is diligently following instructions as you do. It is also much easier to make a custom kernel that runs on one (your) system only, than tackling the task of compiling one that can be distributed. >> I don't care so much about speed. The important issue in pro-audio is >> reliability. It's not the smallest possible latency that counts, but the >> max. latency of the system. >> > > I really did not understand this statement and anyway I would not agree... > why anybody should be safe knowing that his box max latency is 20ms instead > of 50ms or 70ms? The max. system-latency determines the audio-latency at which you will never have any x-runs. (The minimal and avg. latency determines the speed and reactivity of your Desktop.) Without the RT-linux patch you may be good at 99.9% of the time, but since there is no guarantee for system-latency: there may be drop-outs. And Murphy says that this 0.1% chance will always become real when you're on stage in the middle of a performance. The resulting click will not only kill the PA but half the audience will sue you for becoming deaf ;-) An other use-case is a studio: It's not about low-latency there but about no x-runs at all, they are just unprofessional. YMMV. 2c, robin From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 15:26:48 2010 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:26:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> References: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> Message-ID: 2010/12/13 Robin Gareus > >> it is much easier to screw up a > >> kernel by blindly applying patches and generating a .config if you don't > >> know what you're doing (and sometimes even if you know what you're > >> doing). Also, one needs additional tools (like rtirq) to make good use > >> of RT-linux, while -bfs runs OOTB. > >> However these days most distributions do that setup for the users. > >> > > > > well, I always followed > > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Low_latency_howto and never > > screwed up a kernel > > Lucky you :) The information on the alsa-wiki is very good, but not > every user is diligently following instructions as you do. > It is also much easier to make a custom kernel that runs on one (your) > system only, than tackling the task of compiling one that can be > distributed. > let's say I learned to be careful the day after I forgot to put the --initrd option in a make-kpkg command line statement and got a kernel panic after rebooting my first brand new... not-working-at-all-kernel :) > >> I don't care so much about speed. The important issue in pro-audio is > >> reliability. It's not the smallest possible latency that counts, but the > >> max. latency of the system. > >> > > > > I really did not understand this statement and anyway I would not > agree... > > why anybody should be safe knowing that his box max latency is 20ms > instead > > of 50ms or 70ms? > > The max. system-latency determines the audio-latency at which you will > never have any x-runs. (The minimal and avg. latency determines the > speed and reactivity of your Desktop.) > > Without the RT-linux patch you may be good at 99.9% of the time, but > since there is no guarantee for system-latency: there may be drop-outs. > > And Murphy says that this 0.1% chance will always become real when > you're on stage in the middle of a performance. The resulting click will > not only kill the PA but half the audience will sue you for becoming > deaf ;-) > you're right but as a statistician I prefer to call it *law of large numbers *... same results but more complicated to explain :) > An other use-case is a studio: It's not about low-latency there but > about no x-runs at all, they are just unprofessional. YMMV. > I agree about unprofessionality of xruns but what about our ears? I trust my ears and bless them, thanks to them I can appreciate music from Ella to Jimi and so on... but do they betray me when I realize I can't recognize an xrun in a mix? How long is an xrun? Can we hear it when it occurs only 3,4,5 times in a mix? I guess I am going off topic now but I am a fan of "if it's sounds good then it's ok" Regards -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 13 15:47:59 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:47:59 -0500 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: References: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > I agree about unprofessionality of xruns but what about our ears? > I trust my ears and bless them, thanks to them I can appreciate music from > Ella to Jimi and so on... but do they betray me when I realize I can't > recognize an xrun in a mix? How long is an xrun? Can we hear it when it > occurs only 3,4,5 times in a mix? if you can't hear the click caused by an xrun, then you probably should give up mixing :) more seriously, it is possible for there to be an xrun without any audible effect (though this is rare). the clicks that they cause are very similar (most of the time) to those caused by sample clock sync issues (e.g. a bad word clock cable or connector), and i don't know anyone who would pay to work in a studio with such a configuration (until it was fixed). From capoeirista at arcor.de Mon Dec 13 17:38:56 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:38:56 -0200 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: References: <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> Message-ID: <201012131538.57253.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em segunda-feira 13 dezembro 2010, ?s 13:26:48, Raffaele Morelli escreveu: > but do they betray me when I realize I can't > recognize an xrun in a mix? How long is an xrun? Can we hear it when it > occurs only 3,4,5 times in a mix? be carefull with that, you might not here it in the recording-situation but perhaps after some processing or on other monitors you hear it. or sometimes with fresher ears they suddenly appear From schivmeister at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 20:05:15 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:05:15 +0800 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: <201012131538.57253.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> <201012131538.57253.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On 14 December 2010 01:38, Fabio wrote: > Em segunda-feira 13 dezembro 2010, ?s 13:26:48, Raffaele Morelli escreveu: >> but do they betray me when I realize I can't >> recognize an xrun in a mix? How long is an xrun? Can we hear it when it >> occurs only 3,4,5 times in a mix? > > be carefull with that, you might not here it in the recording-situation but perhaps after some processing or on other monitors you hear it. or sometimes with fresher ears they suddenly appear This is _very_ important. Always, always give your ears a rest. Never mix for days and conclude that you're done. Give a rest period of at least 24-48 hours between sessions. Typically a session can be anywhere from 2 to 8 hours, and on urgent calls sometimes overnight with 1-2 hour breaks and of course, 6 for some sleep. You may miss anything from a click to a bad tone or even tune. Been there, done that. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 20:38:27 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:38:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] apt-get and RT kernel Message-ID: <4D068443.7010401@gmail.com> Hi, I have an oddity on Ubuntu Lucid. Installing libboost1.40-dev, default kernel, no problemo. Installing libboost1.40-dev, RT kernel, install (unpacking/ processing) takes minuts! I have this oddity with another package, but most packages install normal. $ uname -a Linux ubuntu 2.6.33-29-realtime #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Aug 4 20:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux from: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/ $ apt-cache policy libboost1.40-dev libboost1.40-dev: Installed: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 Candidate: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 Version table: *** 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 0 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status (maybe not interesting, but iotop says: CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %) Regards, \r From ken at restivo.org Mon Dec 13 21:03:32 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:03:32 -0800 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> References: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> Message-ID: <20101213210332.GA16932@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:25:44PM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/13/2010 02:28 PM, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > > 2010/12/13 Robin Gareus > > > >> On 12/13/2010 01:13 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > >>> 2010/12/13 Raffaele Morelli : > >>>> Hi you all, > >>>> > >>>> what do you think about that? Have you got some personal experience? > >>>> http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/2010/10/bfs-in-real-time.html > >> > >> yes. In short: Desktop performance: amazing, Desktop-audio-performance: > >> good, pro-audio performance: deficient. > >> > >>> This quote: > >>> > >>> "If you were doing semi-professional audio recording you might, and > >>> then you'd need to understand the inner workings of the software and > >>> the -rt patchset to make the most of it. Just patching it in and > >>> expecting it to work for you will not really give you any advantage." > >>> > >>> is not really true. It is true that there are quite a few complexities > >>> to using the RT patchset's full capabilities. Most people probably do > >>> not use them. But this doesn't mean that a general claim that the > >>> patchset offers them no benefits is wrong. > >> > > > > I really hoped that :) > > I am now sure that RT patchset is something for kernel folks to deal with, > > but neverthless that it's something good to apply for me. > > > > > > > >> quite, but it is true in the sense that it is much easier to screw up a > >> kernel by blindly applying patches and generating a .config if you don't > >> know what you're doing (and sometimes even if you know what you're > >> doing). Also, one needs additional tools (like rtirq) to make good use > >> of RT-linux, while -bfs runs OOTB. > >> However these days most distributions do that setup for the users. > >> > > > > well, I always followed > > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Low_latency_howto and never > > screwed up a kernel > > Lucky you :) The information on the alsa-wiki is very good, but not > every user is diligently following instructions as you do. > It is also much easier to make a custom kernel that runs on one (your) > system only, than tackling the task of compiling one that can be > distributed. > > >> I don't care so much about speed. The important issue in pro-audio is > >> reliability. It's not the smallest possible latency that counts, but the > >> max. latency of the system. > >> > > > > I really did not understand this statement and anyway I would not agree... > > why anybody should be safe knowing that his box max latency is 20ms instead > > of 50ms or 70ms? > > The max. system-latency determines the audio-latency at which you will > never have any x-runs. (The minimal and avg. latency determines the > speed and reactivity of your Desktop.) > > Without the RT-linux patch you may be good at 99.9% of the time, but > since there is no guarantee for system-latency: there may be drop-outs. > > And Murphy says that this 0.1% chance will always become real when > you're on stage in the middle of a performance. The resulting click will > not only kill the PA but half the audience will sue you for becoming > deaf ;-) > I don't get clicks, but with my latest bass setup (using LinuxSampler instead of FluidSynth), I occasionally get moments where all audio just stops for a second or two, then whatever notes have been played suddenly rush out in a thundering-herd kind of situation. I suspect this may be a LinuxSampler issue since I've heard it happen before with other gigs, and it may possibly be related to slow seek times on my SSD on my EEE. I've also in the past had fluidsynth cause nasty stuttering (like a DJ snare-rush kind of sound), particularly with a grand piano soundfont when I get kind of violent with it, hammering a chord or interval repeatedly Jerry-Lee-Lewis-style with varying velocities. I'm going to be using this new setup (using LinuxSampler for bass instead of FluidSynth) for the first time live on the 29th, it will be interesting to see how it goes. -ken From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Dec 13 21:06:31 2010 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:06:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: References: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D068AD7.5080207@linuxuse.de> Am 13.12.2010 16:26, schrieb Raffaele Morelli: > ...recognize an xrun in a mix? How long is an xrun? Can we hear it when it > occurs only 3,4,5 times in a mix? Of course there is a major difference between xruns that occur *during a recording* and those, that may occur, when you working on a mix and open the GUI of a plugin and the like. I use to have xruns in such situations on a regular basis. But I make sure to have zero xruns during recordings. During a recording an xrun adds something uncomprehendable to the stream, that will in 9/10 cases cause audible noise if the stream is played. Though the error could be only a few milliseconds in length, the system, that plays the stream will produce something extremely recognisable as it hits the place in the stream, where the data is corrupted by the xrun. Its like a scratch on a vinyl: even if it is microscopic your record is not mint anymore... You can have the same effect, if you cut wave-files in a very very wrong way or if you have extreme peaks above 0db in a recording. > I guess I am going off topic now but I am a fan of "if it's sounds good then > it's ok" That is my philosophy also. So, if you are sure, that it sounds good and 2 or 3 others with sane hearing agree... And also if you like to spice up a industrial metal track with some really evil noises, that all the other cowards fearfully avoid -- just set jack to run with 0.33 ms latency and record some tracks with a hda-chip in a netbook ;-) best regards HZN From capoeirista at arcor.de Mon Dec 13 22:08:50 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:08:50 -0200 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: <20101213210332.GA16932@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> <20101213210332.GA16932@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <201012132008.50244.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em segunda-feira 13 dezembro 2010, ?s 19:03:32, Ken Restivo escreveu: > my latest bass setup (using LinuxSampler instead of FluidSynth) can I ask what sampels you are using? I am still searching for a good bass From danni.coy at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 03:41:32 2010 From: danni.coy at gmail.com (Danni Coy) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:41:32 +1000 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> Message-ID: I seem to be having the same difficulties here on Natty. /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf is correctly set up. ulimits -l -r tells me I have unlimited memory and max priority of 95 I am definately a member of the Audio group. Firewire is working correctly (will start without realtime, alsa backend fails to get realtime also) and yet starting jackd will yeild the following. jackd -d firewire jackdmp 1.9.7 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. Copyright 2004-2010 Grame. jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10 Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: libffado 2.999.0- built Nov 1 2010 21:44:06 ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01912191011: Error (PosixThread.cpp)[ 150] Start: Cannot create realtime thread (1: Operation not permitted) ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01912191047: Error (PosixThread.cpp)[ 151] Start: priority: 15 firewire ERR: FFADO: Error creating virtual device Cannot attach audio driver JackServer::Open() failed with -1 Failed to start server Something else seems to be going wrong here. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Ecker wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Can't seem to start jackd in realtime as user on ubuntu studio. It > > does start as root, but that's hardly a consolation (unless I run all > > audio software as root, which would be kinda daft IMO) > > ... > > Have you tried modifying /etc/udev/rules.d/something (debian/ubuntu) or > /etc/security/console.perms.d/60-raw1394.perms (fedora)? Make sure you > assign your security group (audio?) to the /dev/raw1394 device. > > -Scott > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ronan at jouchet.fr Tue Dec 14 04:56:10 2010 From: ronan at jouchet.fr (Ronan Jouchet) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:56:10 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf Message-ID: <4D06F8EA.7070106@jouchet.fr> Hello Linuxaudio, I was discussing the subject with las and he mentioned this thread. I also faced the problem, and just: - wrote a mail to {Ubuntustudio-devel, Ubuntu kernel team, JACK devel, abogani} trying to sum up the situation: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-December/002881.html - filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/690010 Contributions welcome. Let's hope something good will result... Cheers, -- Ronan Jouchet From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Dec 14 05:34:15 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:34:15 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Banksters - Dubby Dubstep In-Reply-To: <1aec462770a3d26251a3d50b48e62ce4.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <6dac1a3f2f5aa9b1da24124d99adcd9a.squirrel@boosthardware.com> <4CFF9FBD.7070204@quirq.ukfsn.org> <1aec462770a3d26251a3d50b48e62ce4.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <424605be2627949b34ac0a3339055426.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Wed, December 8, 2010 7:09 am, Q wrote: > > The mix sounded okay to me, but as already mentioned, I'm really not at > all qualified to offer any meaningful comment on it as it is far removed > from what I usually listen to. However, it was a little more accessible > than previous work of yours that I've heard. It is rather quiet, as you > suggest, with very little energy and punch. > I have redone the levels so that the sound is now more punchy. Still not as clearly defined as I am hearing through ardour3. http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-14.flac http://djcj.org/audio/kotau/banksters/Banksters-DJ_Kotau_Session_2010-12-14.ogg The ogg export has normalised the track and the overall mix is pretty smooth now. I wasn't actually going for that effect but it is interesting to hear the difference it makes to the general atmosphere. Reminds me of the sound that Nick Manessah was getting a few years back. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From brummer- at web.de Tue Dec 14 07:28:54 2010 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:28:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] gx_head LINGUAS wonted Message-ID: <1292311734.2124.8.camel@box> Hi So I have add Localization support to gx_head (guitarix) and need now some People to translate the .po file to different languages. Please contact me if you wone jump in and add your language to the head, I will send you a .po file were you find the strings to translate like that: msgid "Pre gain" msgstr "" #: ../src/gx_head/gx_interface_builder.cpp:123 msgid " Drive " msgstr "" #: ../src/gx_head/gx_interface_builder.cpp:154 msgid "Master gain" msgstr "" you need to fill the msgstr , or leave it empty if it isn't translatable. Hope for your help regards hermann From mike at linuxdsp.co.uk Tue Dec 14 08:59:13 2010 From: mike at linuxdsp.co.uk (linuxdsp) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:59:13 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> Message-ID: <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Danni Coy wrote: >> I seem to be having the same difficulties here on Natty. > > see http://jackaudio.org/linux_group_sched > > Natty is basically not usable by regular users for realtime > scheduling. Conversations about this are ongoing. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > I was going to start this email with "I don't understand why..." but I DO understand why (and that's what makes it more depressing) that there still needs to be so much tweaking required to get a modern PC to do audio (and by 'so much' I mean 'any'). But taking a step back, and looking at it in (very) oversimplified terms I could stream audio from an 8MHz 68000 (many years ago) without glitches.. Admittedly it wouldn't do much else.. On a 25MHz 386 and DOS it "more or less worked" (perhaps a regressive step, even then). Now we have PC systems with CPU speeds in the multiple GHz Range, and multiple cores, and the sheer amount of processing power available would have been almost unimaginable back then and the bandwidth available across expansion ports vastly outstrips the old 8MHz ISA buss. Coupled with huge amounts of memory (even on a low end system) - I now have what would have been considered a 'super computer' sitting in a small box on my desktop, and yet I STILL cannot play an audio file from it without it occasionally going wrong.... How did we get to this point?? :( From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 09:28:46 2010 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:28:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: References: <4D061854.7070900@gareus.org> <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> Message-ID: 2010/12/13 Paul Davis > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Raffaele Morelli > wrote: > > > I agree about unprofessionality of xruns but what about our ears? > > I trust my ears and bless them, thanks to them I can appreciate music > from > > Ella to Jimi and so on... but do they betray me when I realize I can't > > recognize an xrun in a mix? How long is an xrun? Can we hear it when it > > occurs only 3,4,5 times in a mix? > > if you can't hear the click caused by an xrun, then you probably > should give up mixing :) > ah ah ah, yes of course... anyway I can't swear my mixing experience will never cross the border :-) > > more seriously, it is possible for there to be an xrun without any > audible effect (though this is rare). the clicks that they cause are > very similar (most of the time) to those caused by sample clock sync > issues (e.g. a bad word clock cable or connector), and i don't know > anyone who would pay to work in a studio with such a configuration > (until it was fixed). > I should have been more precise. I bought a condenser mic (AKG Perception 120) to record some acoustic stuff at home. I recorded a session - st james infirmary blues - and used the punch in/out feature for the guitar solo and for parts the two vocal tracks (I had a cold... and still got it) Well, there's an xrun every time the recording starts, ie after the locator passes the punch in marker... can you hear it? I can give you the exact timing. I also got other session (with the full band playing) but I deleted the xrun markers... and now I really can't gues where they occurred Regards PS: destroy the mp3 after :) PSPS: apologize in advance for the bad english in the recording :( -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ailo.at at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 09:57:14 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:57:14 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots Message-ID: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> ...or to load devices into specific alsa-slots (hw:0, hw:1...) Does someone have a nice method to do one of these? Since I knew of no other method, I tried loading the cards into specific slots, according to this method found at planetccrma's home page: alias snd-card-0 snd-CARD_0 options snd-card-0 index=0 options snd-CARD_0 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-CARD_1 options snd-card-1 index=1 options snd-CARD_1 index=1 ... alias snd-card-N snd-CARD_N options snd-card-N index=N options snd-CARD_N index=N I have two m-audio delta devices and I never found a good way to configure alsa so they would load in a specific order. There was the problem of naming, since both cards have the same name. I think I would prefer the pulseaudio method, which remembers the card itself, not the alsa slot (I don't know anything about that, to be honest). Other things to consider is: More than 5 devices will be used, some of them usb midi (usb midi devices also appear in alsa sound slots). Two m-audio delta cards for audio input (8 + 4 inputs), and at least the sound cards need to always load in the same order with jack. Is it possible to get jack/alsa to remember the sound cards after reboot? -- ailo From robin at gareus.org Tue Dec 14 11:11:30 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:11:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> On 12/14/2010 10:57 AM, ailo wrote: > ...or to load devices into specific alsa-slots (hw:0, hw:1...) > > Does someone have a nice method to do one of these? > > Since I knew of no other method, I tried loading the cards into specific > slots, according to this method found at planetccrma's home page: > > alias snd-card-0 snd-CARD_0 > options snd-card-0 index=0 > options snd-CARD_0 index=0 > alias snd-card-1 snd-CARD_1 > options snd-card-1 index=1 > options snd-CARD_1 index=1 > ... > alias snd-card-N snd-CARD_N > options snd-card-N index=N > options snd-CARD_N index=N > > I have two m-audio delta devices and I never found a good way to > configure alsa so they would load in a specific order. There was the > problem of naming, since both cards have the same name. > > I think I would prefer the pulseaudio method, which remembers the card > itself, not the alsa slot (I don't know anything about that, to be honest). > > Other things to consider is: > More than 5 devices will be used, some of them usb midi (usb midi > devices also appear in alsa sound slots). > Two m-audio delta cards for audio input (8 + 4 inputs), and at least the > sound cards need to always load in the same order with jack. > > Is it possible to get jack/alsa to remember the sound cards after reboot? > This has been discussed a couple of times on this list, search the list-archive for details. The idea is to refer to audio interfaces by name or device-id rather than numeric ID. cat /proc/asound/cards gives you a list. - use the names between the square brackets e.g. jackd -R -P70 -t1000 -dalsa -d 'hw:Intel' -r48000 -p1024 -n2 HTH, robin From robin at gareus.org Tue Dec 14 11:15:02 2010 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:15:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> On 12/14/2010 12:11 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/14/2010 10:57 AM, ailo wrote: >> ...or to load devices into specific alsa-slots (hw:0, hw:1...) >> >> Does someone have a nice method to do one of these? >> >> Since I knew of no other method, I tried loading the cards into specific >> slots, according to this method found at planetccrma's home page: >> >> alias snd-card-0 snd-CARD_0 >> options snd-card-0 index=0 >> options snd-CARD_0 index=0 >> alias snd-card-1 snd-CARD_1 >> options snd-card-1 index=1 >> options snd-CARD_1 index=1 >> ... >> alias snd-card-N snd-CARD_N >> options snd-card-N index=N >> options snd-CARD_N index=N >> >> I have two m-audio delta devices and I never found a good way to >> configure alsa so they would load in a specific order. There was the >> problem of naming, since both cards have the same name. >> >> I think I would prefer the pulseaudio method, which remembers the card >> itself, not the alsa slot (I don't know anything about that, to be honest). >> >> Other things to consider is: >> More than 5 devices will be used, some of them usb midi (usb midi >> devices also appear in alsa sound slots). >> Two m-audio delta cards for audio input (8 + 4 inputs), and at least the >> sound cards need to always load in the same order with jack. >> >> Is it possible to get jack/alsa to remember the sound cards after reboot? >> > > This has been discussed a couple of times on this list, search the > list-archive for details. > > The idea is to refer to audio interfaces by name or device-id rather > than numeric ID. > cat /proc/asound/cards > gives you a list. - use the names between the square brackets > > e.g. > jackd -R -P70 -t1000 -dalsa -d 'hw:Intel' -r48000 -p1024 -n2 > > HTH, > robin OOPS: I've just realized that two of your devices are identical. I don't think the name will help in that case. IIRC there's away to use a UID or BUS like /dev/snd/by-path/.. but I don't remember the details just now. best, robin From capoeirista at arcor.de Tue Dec 14 11:25:00 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:25:00 -0200 Subject: [LAU] preload demon and jack Message-ID: <201012140925.01079.capoeirista@arcor.de> I have a preload demon starting on boot. does that collide with jack. I mean it uses an amount of memory. does used memory make memory-access slow or anything like that? or doesn't used memory affect jack at all (as long as you have enough free memory)? From faber at faberman.de Tue Dec 14 11:28:41 2010 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:28:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> Robin, > OOPS: I've just realized that two of your devices are identical. > I don't think the name will help in that case. IIRC there's away to use > a UID or BUS like /dev/snd/by-path/.. but I don't remember the details > just now. If the ICE-cards have serial numbers, it could be an effective solution to add it to the card's name. RME cards are quite commonly used in bundles, so I added this feature: # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [default ]: HDSPM - RME MADI_c61f8e RME MADI S/N 0xc61f8e at 0xfdef0000, irq 16 It also allows to identify cards in the LAN. In infrastructure setups the host no longer is the top level namespace. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From capoeirista at arcor.de Tue Dec 14 11:49:22 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:49:22 -0200 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012140949.22530.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em ter?a-feira 14 dezembro 2010, ?s 07:28:46, Raffaele Morelli escreveu: > I should have been more precise. I bought a condenser mic (AKG Perception > 120) to record some acoustic stuff at home. > I recorded a session - st james infirmary > blues > - and used the punch in/out feature for the guitar solo and for parts the > two vocal tracks (I had a cold... and still got it) > > Well, there's an xrun every time the recording starts, ie after the locator > passes the punch in marker... can you hear it? I can give you the exact > timing. > I also got other session (with the full band playing) but I deleted the xrun > markers... and now I really can't gues where they occurred loved the sound quaility, both vocals and voice, also te playing. i indentified 3 for now, but you have to listen at high volume and carfully: 0:24, 0:34, 1:10 and i think at 0:04 there is another. i'm sure i could find more BUT 99,9% of the people wont here that, for sure From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Dec 14 12:58:24 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:58:24 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:59 AM, linuxdsp wrote: > I was going to start this email with "I don't understand why..." but I DO > understand why (and that's what makes it more depressing) that there still > needs to be so much tweaking required to get a modern PC to do audio (and by > 'so much' I mean 'any'). this is wrong. or misleading. there's very little tweaking needed that has anything related to what you describe in the rest of your email. at present, almost all of the issues come from one place and one place only: a general purpose OS considers the hardware as a set of shared resources and thus provides limits on access to them ALL of the tweaking required in Linux has to do with removing, reducing or getting around these limits to access. if you build your own kernel the RT patches and with a 2 line patch that allows RT scheduling for anything and memlock for anything, then you're basically good to go. the old systems you mention basically didn't "schedule" in the way that any unix-class OS does - stuff runs based on strict priorities and doesn't get swapped off the CPU arbitrarily. that's why they were absolutely useless as real world multitasking systems, but did very nicely as 1-task boxes. there is one other class of issues, and these come from hardware components not related to the CPU but to the system bus. when other peripherals illegally or even just inadvisably hog the bus for too long, everyone suffers. sometimes this is caused by the peripheral hardware itself, sometimes by the device driver (authors). this was true in ye olden days too, but it was more catastrophic and made things just not work at all. now, they work but just not very well. finally, note that a general purpose OS does a LOT more than those old machines in terms of policy - managing pluggable devices is a big one that comes to mind, but there is also user management too, network traffic handling and more - and the implementation of these policies does get a bit in the way of a low latency scheduling code path sometimes. that's why the linux RT patch is such a big deal, because it basically gets these things out of the way of the scheduler. From goemusic at yahoo.fr Tue Dec 14 13:06:48 2010 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (Frank Kober) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:06:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] Qmidiarp news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <145419.52619.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- En date de?: Sam 11.12.10, Mark Knecht a ?crit?: > Sounds like fun. > > It would be very cool to hear some audio examples. > > - Mark > That's it, I've taken the time to make some commented "tutorial" videos. I hope you don't fall asleep along my lame talk :), part II is probably more interesting. Part I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riUVE3Xi_V0 Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSlhHMOaIQ There is also a small music demo piece I made. This mainly uses the sequencers and lfo's in qmidiarp along with hydrogen, seq24, calf organ, monosynth and yoshimi. The arps are only used for percussive guitar-like chords: http://linuxmao.org/tikiwiki/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=190 Hope you can enjoy Frank > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Frank Kober > wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > This is to give an update on the qmidiarp development > status. > > > > Since the last discussions here there are mainly the > following new > > features: > > Arps: > > > > o There are now three trigger modes selectable from a > new combobox: > > > > ?1) No trigger: the original continuous mode > > ?2) Kbd Restart: the arp will restart its loop on > every stakato note > > ? ? change, i.e. when the previous note is released > before pressing a new key. > > ?3) Kbd Trigger: the arp will restart and be > triggered by the pressed note. > > > > o The latency should be 2 ticks now, so around 10 > milliseconds, with which > > I haven't found lost notes so far even with four arps > plus lfo running in parallel. > > > > o The arp patterns (along many other controls) can be > changed by a > > midi-learnable controller, on the fly. > > > > As it seems the alsamodular mailing lists are not much > followed anymore, so I will need some support to convince my > own team to release it or setup a new dedicated project > page. So please test, bash it, critique it, praise it. > > > > Installation is: > > > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at alsamodular.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/alsamodular > co -P qmidiarp > > > > autoreconf -i > > make > > sudo make install > > > > > > Have fun > > Frank > > > > The resume of changes since 0.0.2 is as follows. > > > > New Features > > ?o Arpeggio pattern preset infrastructure > > ?o Synchronized MIDI LFO modules added > > ? ?LFOs have calculated and drawable waveforms, > selectable frequency, > > ? ?amplitude, offset, time resolution and length > > ?o Synchronized step sequencer modules added > > ? ?Step sequencer can be transposed and > velocity-modulated by received > > ? ?notes, sequence can be drawn on the fly > > ?o Pianoroll-type display of arp patterns and cursor > line > > ?o Envelope function for chord arpeggios with high > polyphony > > ?o Latch mode or Footswitch for holding notes in > arpeggio buffer > > ?o Keyboard-triggered or -restarted arpeggiator mode > > ?o Input note delay strongly reduced making QMidiArp > suitable for live > > ? ?play > > ?o MIDI-learnable control of many live-relevant > functions > > ?o MIDI realtime clock slave synchronization > > ?o JACK transport client synchronization > > ?o Event log entries are color-coded, optional MIDI > Clock event display > > ?o Re-designed graphical user interface: ?all > modules and dialogs > > ? ?are dockable floatable windows, main and file > icon toolbars added > > ?o New .qmidiarprc file containing GUI settings, user > arp patterns and > > ? ?last file path > > ?o Save and SaveAs functions with modification > monitoring > > ?o All relevant session parameters stored in new > .qmax XML session file > > ?o Manual pages in English, French and German > > ?o Handler for SIGINT added to handle unsaved or > changed files more > > ? ?carefully at program termination. > > ?o Handler for SIGUSR1 added to provide support for > LADISH level 1. > > ?o Separate threads for ALSA Sequencer Queue handler > and arpeggio engine > > > > > > General Changes > > ?o Port form Qt3 to Qt4 library. > > ?o MIDI Channels and ALSA port id's displayed from > 1...16 > > ?o On-the-fly tempo changes are disabled > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > From mike at linuxdsp.co.uk Tue Dec 14 13:55:55 2010 From: mike at linuxdsp.co.uk (linuxdsp) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:55:55 +0000 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <4D07776B.3080807@linuxdsp.co.uk> Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:59 AM, linuxdsp wrote: > >> I was going to start this email with "I don't understand why..." but I DO >> understand why (and that's what makes it more depressing) that there still >> needs to be so much tweaking required to get a modern PC to do audio (and by >> 'so much' I mean 'any'). > > this is wrong. or misleading. > > there's very little tweaking needed that has anything related to what > you describe in the rest of your email. at present, almost all of the > issues come from one place and one place only: > > a general purpose OS considers the hardware as a set of shared > resources and thus provides limits on access to them > > ALL of the tweaking required in Linux has to do with removing, > reducing or getting around these limits to access. if you build your > own kernel the RT patches and with a 2 line patch that allows RT > scheduling for anything and memlock for anything, then you're > basically good to go. > > the old systems you mention basically didn't "schedule" in the way > that any unix-class OS does - stuff runs based on strict priorities > and doesn't get swapped off the CPU arbitrarily. that's why they were > absolutely useless as real world multitasking systems, but did very > nicely as 1-task boxes. > > there is one other class of issues, and these come from hardware > components not related to the CPU but to the system bus. when other > peripherals illegally or even just inadvisably hog the bus for too > long, everyone suffers. sometimes this is caused by the peripheral > hardware itself, sometimes by the device driver (authors). this was > true in ye olden days too, but it was more catastrophic and made > things just not work at all. now, they work but just not very well. > > finally, note that a general purpose OS does a LOT more than those old > machines in terms of policy - managing pluggable devices is a big one > that comes to mind, but there is also user management too, network > traffic handling and more - and the implementation of these policies > does get a bit in the way of a low latency scheduling code path > sometimes. that's why the linux RT patch is such a big deal, because > it basically gets these things out of the way of the scheduler. > I understand the issues raised (I've been involved in this stuff long enough to know exactly what a difficult and complex task it really is) - my comments were intended more as a light-hearted, rant about the fact that surely by now, audio on PCs should 'just work' :) - and I should add that I've encountered much the same issues regardless of OS, and this was not intended to be critical of any part of the linux audio infrastructure. In fact the main reason I prefer linux as a platform for audio is that you CAN tweak things to make it work, as opposed to other systems which hide these things away from the user. (sometimes though, I just wish that wasn't necessary) and when it works, linux audio works very very well, but what makes it frustrating is that these kind of configuration issues have a habit of cropping up and making it very difficult to put that case to the average 'non-technical' user. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Dec 14 13:52:53 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:52:53 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D07776B.3080807@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> <4D07776B.3080807@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:55 AM, linuxdsp wrote: > I understand the issues raised (I've been involved in this stuff long enough > to know exactly what a difficult and complex task it really is) i knew that :) its just something that comes up every so often, and given the way that other myths about how things are compared to how they should be, its important to spread the truth as well as the giggles. the other example of this tends to be "APIs for audio on Linux are so confusing" which gets lots of traction online. now, can we move on to a discussion of whether i should write my new windows app using DirectSound, WaveOut/MME, XNA, WASAPI, WaveRT or ASIO? its just so nice that microsoft decided to give us choices, just like those linux people! :)) From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 14 14:13:05 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:13:05 -0500 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <4D077B71.5000207@woh.rr.com> Paul Davis wrote: > ... > > ALL of the tweaking required in Linux has to do with removing, > reducing or getting around these limits to access. if you build your > own kernel the RT patches and with a 2 line patch that allows RT > scheduling for anything and memlock for anything, then you're > basically good to go. > ... As I recently wrote elsewhere: I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.04 (32-bit plain-vanilla) on my secondary machine in hopes of eliminating some performance problems with Ardour. Here's what I did to set it up after the default installation : 1. Added myself to the Audio group; 2. Added the necessary tweaks to limits.conf (does it still matter for an rt kernel ?); 3. Installed the rt kernel from Synaptic; 4. Ran update-grub; 5. Rebooted to a nice new low-latency system; 6. Configured QJackCtl for my devices. All that must have taken a total of about 15 minutes. No need for UStudio, I can install a variety of A/V packages from Synaptic (though I compile all my main music & sound apps). A far, far cry from the bad old days. Ubuntu's come a long way too. And btw, the performance problem with Ardour is gone. :) Best, dp From atte at email.dk Tue Dec 14 14:53:08 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:53:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D077B71.5000207@woh.rr.com> References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> <4D077B71.5000207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D0784D4.7090209@email.dk> On 2010-12-14 15:13, Dave Phillips wrote: > 2. Added the necessary tweaks to limits.conf (does it still matter for > an rt kernel ?); This is done when you install jackd (in the file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From gabrbedd at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 14:57:55 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:57:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D0784D4.7090209@email.dk> References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> <4D077B71.5000207@woh.rr.com> <4D0784D4.7090209@email.dk> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-14 15:13, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> 2. Added the necessary tweaks to limits.conf (does it still matter for >> an rt kernel ?); > > This is done when you install jackd (in the file > /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf) This is usually added by the distro. -gabriel From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 15:10:17 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:10:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] apt-get and RT kernel strangeness In-Reply-To: <4D068443.7010401@gmail.com> References: <4D068443.7010401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0788D9.9000002@gmail.com> On 12/13/2010 09:38 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > I have an oddity on Ubuntu Lucid. > > Installing libboost1.40-dev, default kernel, no problemo. > > Installing libboost1.40-dev, RT kernel, install (unpacking/ > processing) takes minuts! > > I have this oddity with another package, but most packages install > normal. > > $ uname -a > Linux ubuntu 2.6.33-29-realtime #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Aug 4 > 20:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux > > from: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/ > > $ apt-cache policy libboost1.40-dev > libboost1.40-dev: > Installed: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 > Candidate: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 > Version table: > *** 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 0 > 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > (maybe not interesting, but iotop says: CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not > enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %) Any idea what this could be? \r From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Dec 14 15:24:35 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:24:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: <4D077B71.5000207@woh.rr.com> References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> <4D077B71.5000207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D078C33.5030907@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/14/2010 03:13 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > 2. Added the necessary tweaks to limits.conf (does it still matter for > an rt kernel ?); yes, very much so. as other posters pointed out, it may be part of the post-install routines of your rt kernel packages, but without these settings, a regular user will not be able to obtain realtime scheduling privileges or lock memory. From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Dec 14 15:26:48 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:26:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] apt-get and RT kernel strangeness In-Reply-To: <4D0788D9.9000002@gmail.com> References: <4D068443.7010401@gmail.com> <4D0788D9.9000002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D078CB8.3000109@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/14/2010 04:10 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/13/2010 09:38 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have an oddity on Ubuntu Lucid. >> >> Installing libboost1.40-dev, default kernel, no problemo. >> >> Installing libboost1.40-dev, RT kernel, install (unpacking/ >> processing) takes minuts! >> >> I have this oddity with another package, but most packages install >> normal. >> >> $ uname -a >> Linux ubuntu 2.6.33-29-realtime #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Aug 4 >> 20:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux >> >> from: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/ >> >> $ apt-cache policy libboost1.40-dev >> libboost1.40-dev: >> Installed: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 >> Candidate: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 >> Version table: >> *** 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 0 >> 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages >> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status >> >> >> (maybe not interesting, but iotop says: CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not >> enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %) > > Any idea what this could be? wild guesses: * swap disabled in the rt kernel, and you're low on RAM? * are you running real-time tasks in the background (such as jack)? From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 15:50:32 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:50:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] apt-get and RT kernel strangeness In-Reply-To: <4D078CB8.3000109@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <4D068443.7010401@gmail.com> <4D0788D9.9000002@gmail.com> <4D078CB8.3000109@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <4D079248.6060604@gmail.com> On 12/14/2010 04:26 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/14/2010 04:10 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> On 12/13/2010 09:38 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have an oddity on Ubuntu Lucid. >>> >>> Installing libboost1.40-dev, default kernel, no problemo. >>> >>> Installing libboost1.40-dev, RT kernel, install (unpacking/ >>> processing) takes minuts! >>> >>> I have this oddity with another package, but most packages install >>> normal. >>> >>> $ uname -a >>> Linux ubuntu 2.6.33-29-realtime #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Aug 4 >>> 20:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux >>> >>> from: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/ >>> >>> $ apt-cache policy libboost1.40-dev >>> libboost1.40-dev: >>> Installed: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 >>> Candidate: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 >>> Version table: >>> *** 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 0 >>> 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages >>> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status >>> >>> >>> (maybe not interesting, but iotop says: CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not >>> enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %) >> Any idea what this could be? > wild guesses: > Thanks > * swap disabled in the rt kernel, and you're low on RAM? $ grep -i swap /boot/config-2.6.33-29-realtime CONFIG_SWAP=y CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_RES_CTLR_SWAP=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_RING_BUFFER_ALLOW_SWAP=y 2GB RAM > * are you running real-time tasks in the background (such as jack)? No Hmm.... From atte at email.dk Tue Dec 14 15:57:02 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:57:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] jackd in realtime as user: a no-go in spite of modifying limits.conf In-Reply-To: References: <6231f7a0911192051h4be82a51lbf70397ea5d6e953@mail.gmail.com> <4B07A3F2.1010000@graggrag.com> <291cdeab0911212112x485db7e6r3b578639aa26a8a8@mail.gmail.com> <4B08F29C.9010704@troutpocket.org> <4D0731E1.6030404@linuxdsp.co.uk> <4D077B71.5000207@woh.rr.com> <4D0784D4.7090209@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D0793CE.8050406@email.dk> On 2010-12-14 15:57, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > >> On 2010-12-14 15:13, Dave Phillips wrote: >> >>> 2. Added the necessary tweaks to limits.conf (does it still matter for >>> an rt kernel ?); >> >> This is done when you install jackd (in the file >> /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf) > > This is usually added by the distro. Like I said... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 16:03:57 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:03:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] apt-get and RT kernel strangeness In-Reply-To: <4D079248.6060604@gmail.com> References: <4D068443.7010401@gmail.com> <4D0788D9.9000002@gmail.com> <4D078CB8.3000109@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D079248.6060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D07956D.1090301@gmail.com> On 12/14/2010 04:50 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/14/2010 04:26 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> On 12/14/2010 04:10 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>> On 12/13/2010 09:38 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have an oddity on Ubuntu Lucid. >>>> >>>> Installing libboost1.40-dev, default kernel, no problemo. >>>> >>>> Installing libboost1.40-dev, RT kernel, install (unpacking/ >>>> processing) takes minuts! >>>> >>>> I have this oddity with another package, but most packages install >>>> normal. >>>> >>>> $ uname -a >>>> Linux ubuntu 2.6.33-29-realtime #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Aug 4 >>>> 20:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux >>>> >>>> from: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/ >>>> >>>> $ apt-cache policy libboost1.40-dev >>>> libboost1.40-dev: >>>> Installed: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 >>>> Candidate: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 >>>> Version table: >>>> *** 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 0 >>>> 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages >>>> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status >>>> >>>> >>>> (maybe not interesting, but iotop says: CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not >>>> enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %) >>> Any idea what this could be? >> wild guesses: >> > Thanks >> * swap disabled in the rt kernel, and you're low on RAM? > $ grep -i swap /boot/config-2.6.33-29-realtime > CONFIG_SWAP=y > CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_RES_CTLR_SWAP=y > CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y > CONFIG_RING_BUFFER_ALLOW_SWAP=y > > > 2GB RAM > >> * are you running real-time tasks in the background (such as jack)? > No > > Hmm.... Strange that is only happens with some packages like libboost-dev... Are there other RT kernels available for Ubuntu Lucid, to test a bit? Should a kernel made for Debian also work? Thanks in advance, \r From ailo.at at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 16:44:36 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:44:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> Message-ID: <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> On 12/14/2010 12:28 PM, Florian Faber wrote: > Robin, > >> OOPS: I've just realized that two of your devices are identical. >> I don't think the name will help in that case. IIRC there's away to use >> a UID or BUS like /dev/snd/by-path/.. but I don't remember the details >> just now. Actually, the cards do have different names, now when I think of it. It's the chip that is the same. Still, it feels better to use an unique id. Perhaps /dev/snd/by-path is a good way to do that. If I understand correctly, this is the path to the actual pci-slot (which is not likely to change between boots). > > If the ICE-cards have serial numbers, it could be an effective solution > to add it to the card's name. RME cards are quite commonly used in > bundles, so I added this feature: > > # cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [default ]: HDSPM - RME MADI_c61f8e > RME MADI S/N 0xc61f8e at 0xfdef0000, irq 16 > > It also allows to identify cards in the LAN. In infrastructure setups > the host no longer is the top level namespace. > > > Flo With my limited understanding the only thing I can discover here is: 0 [default ] is usually : 0 [nameofcard ] So, I'm afraid I can't read further into how to use the serial number to identify the card. Starting jack by using jackd -d alsa -d 'hw:nameofcard' may solve my problem. I'm looking on how to sync the two cards, delta-1010 and delta-66. AFAIK, no matter the method, it seems one must sync them using spdif (don't think this is needed on Windows, but perhaps that has to do with proprietary drivers?). There is this method: http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html and one that I haven't tried yet is using alsa_in and alsa_out as mentioned here: http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/AlsaInOut If someone has some experience in using multiple cards, I won't mind a pointer or two. -- ailo From jh at brainiac.com Tue Dec 14 16:55:03 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:55:03 -0500 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:44:36 +0100 ailo wrote: > I'm looking on how to sync the two cards, delta-1010 and delta-66. > AFAIK, no matter the method, it seems one must sync them using spdif > (don't think this is needed on Windows, but perhaps that has to do with > proprietary drivers?). If you want to use these two cards together, then syncing with SPDIF is pretty much required. The alsa_in/out programs add latency, and as the website said, you should not record using those programs. I can guarantee that you'd need to sync them with SPDIF under Windows as well as Linux, or you'll get clock drift between the cards. > There is this method: > http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html > > If someone has some experience in using multiple cards, I won't mind a > pointer or two. I've put up how I got it to work here: http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html I run 2 Delta 1010s synced up and it works well for me. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 17:07:41 2010 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:07:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: <201012140949.22530.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012140949.22530.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: 2010/12/14 Fabio > Em ter?a-feira 14 dezembro 2010, ?s 07:28:46, Raffaele Morelli escreveu: > > I should have been more precise. I bought a condenser mic (AKG Perception > > 120) to record some acoustic stuff at home. > > I recorded a session - st james infirmary > > blues > > - and used the punch in/out feature for the guitar solo and for parts the > > two vocal tracks (I had a cold... and still got it) > > > > Well, there's an xrun every time the recording starts, ie after the > locator > > passes the punch in marker... can you hear it? I can give you the exact > > timing. > > I also got other session (with the full band playing) but I deleted the > xrun > > markers... and now I really can't gues where they occurred > > > loved the sound quaility, both vocals and voice, also te playing. > thank you :) > > i indentified 3 for now, but you have to listen at high volume and > carfully: 0:24, 0:34, 1:10 and i think at 0:04 there is another. i'm sure i > could find more BUT 99,9% of the people wont here that, for sure > > you're wrong, I had xruns only 2 bars (1:04) and 1 bar before (1:21) the guitar solo starts and 1 bar after (1:37) no xruns during the guitar track recording or vocal track recording but, as I wrote, only when punching in. regards raffaele -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Dec 14 17:19:21 2010 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:19:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101214171921.GC2689@siel.b> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 05:44:36PM +0100, ailo wrote: > On 12/14/2010 12:28 PM, Florian Faber wrote: > >Robin, > > > >>OOPS: I've just realized that two of your devices are identical. > >>I don't think the name will help in that case. IIRC there's away to use > >>a UID or BUS like /dev/snd/by-path/.. but I don't remember the details > >>just now. > > Actually, the cards do have different names, now when I think of it. > It's the chip that is the same. > Still, it feels better to use an unique id. Perhaps /dev/snd/by-path > is a good way to do that. If I understand correctly, this is the > path to the actual pci-slot (which is not likely to change between > boots). > > > > >If the ICE-cards have serial numbers, it could be an effective solution > >to add it to the card's name. RME cards are quite commonly used in > >bundles, so I added this feature: > > > ># cat /proc/asound/cards > > 0 [default ]: HDSPM - RME MADI_c61f8e > > RME MADI S/N 0xc61f8e at 0xfdef0000, irq 16 > > > >It also allows to identify cards in the LAN. In infrastructure setups > >the host no longer is the top level namespace. > > > > > >Flo > > > With my limited understanding the only thing I can discover here is: > > 0 [default ] > > is usually : > > 0 [nameofcard ] > > So, I'm afraid I can't read further into how to use the serial > number to identify the card. > > > Starting jack by using > > jackd -d alsa -d 'hw:nameofcard' > > may solve my problem. > > I'm looking on how to sync the two cards, delta-1010 and delta-66. > AFAIK, no matter the method, it seems one must sync them using spdif > (don't think this is needed on Windows, but perhaps that has to do > with proprietary drivers?). > > There is this method: > http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html > > and one that I haven't tried yet is using alsa_in and alsa_out as > mentioned here: > http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/AlsaInOut > > If someone has some experience in using multiple cards, I won't mind > a pointer or two. the wiki page on alsa_io is outdated. see the manpage. if you run jackd with a period size of 128... running alsa_out -d hw:1 -p 128 should give you good results with jack >= 0.118 > > -- > ailo > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Dec 14 17:23:47 2010 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:23:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20101214172347.GD2689@siel.b> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:44:36 +0100 > ailo wrote: > > I'm looking on how to sync the two cards, delta-1010 and delta-66. > > AFAIK, no matter the method, it seems one must sync them using spdif > > (don't think this is needed on Windows, but perhaps that has to do with > > proprietary drivers?). > > If you want to use these two cards together, then syncing with SPDIF is > pretty much required. The alsa_in/out programs add latency, and as the > website said, you should not record using those programs. alsa_in/out programs can yield lower latency than jackd itself. and i doubt, that anyone can hear the artifacts. the website is for the version that came with jack 0.116.x but the new algorithm is a lot better. > > I can guarantee that you'd need to sync them with SPDIF under Windows as > well as Linux, or you'll get clock drift between the cards. alsa_out tools are build to compensate the clock drift. > > > There is this method: > > http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html > > > > If someone has some experience in using multiple cards, I won't mind a > > pointer or two. > > I've put up how I got it to work here: http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html > I run 2 Delta 1010s synced up and it works well for me. > > -- > ====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn From ico at vt.edu Tue Dec 14 17:28:53 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:28:53 -0500 Subject: [LAU] L2Ork Pd update now available Message-ID: <1292347733.28339.15.camel@monsoon> Apologies for cross-posting. It appears a few more bugs snuck into the stable release. At the same time I felt like the rest of the iemgui objects could really benefit from the resizing via gui, hence another release. 20101214 Changelog: *implemented resizable options for all iemgui objects (some require different behavior than others (e.g. number2 resizes horizontally based on the number of characters, while vertical resize also adjusts font size as well as gui triangle preceding characters, thus resulting in changes in width as well as height--consequently the target size tries to be as close to the mouse cursor as possible while altering width, height, font size and number of characters visible) *changed the whole project naming scheme to reflect "L2Orkified" version (pdextended becomes pd-l2ork, install dir is /usr/local/lib/pd-l2ork, uses default.pdl2ork config file, reflects different version) *changed appearance and updated content of the about.pd patch *fixed regression where help files for core objects were erroneously replaced by incorrect pddp documentation *synced backport of the new browser and adjusted appearance to match the theme *fixed bug where pddplink failed to open related files *fixed resizable canvas so that it updates scrollbars after resizing, dirties the canvas, and properly relocates scale handle when moved As always, comments/feedback are most appreciated. http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Best wishes, Ico From faber at faberman.de Tue Dec 14 17:45:35 2010 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:45:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <20101214172347.GD2689@siel.b> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <20101214172347.GD2689@siel.b> Message-ID: <4D07AD3F.5050504@faberman.de> On 12/14/10 18:23, torbenh wrote: >> I can guarantee that you'd need to sync them with SPDIF under Windows as >> well as Linux, or you'll get clock drift between the cards. > alsa_out tools are build to compensate the clock drift. If you use SRC you pretty much violate AES specs as you lose bit transparency. SRC is not a solution, it is a last resort. In a well controlled situation like this, sound cards should be synced in hardware. All professional sound cards support this (some can even sync their buffers). It really isn't rocket science. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From jh at brainiac.com Tue Dec 14 17:55:11 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:55:11 -0500 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <20101214172347.GD2689@siel.b> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <20101214172347.GD2689@siel.b> Message-ID: <20101214125511.077e4d95.jh@brainiac.com> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:23:47 +0100 torbenh wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > > If you want to use these two cards together, then syncing with SPDIF is > > pretty much required. The alsa_in/out programs add latency, and as the > > website said, you should not record using those programs. > > alsa_in/out programs can yield lower latency than jackd itself. > and i doubt, that anyone can hear the artifacts. > > the website is for the version that came with jack 0.116.x > but the new algorithm is a lot better. > > > I can guarantee that you'd need to sync them with SPDIF under Windows as > > well as Linux, or you'll get clock drift between the cards. > > alsa_out tools are build to compensate the clock drift. Fairly impressive performance, then! I'm not likely to revamp my setup (Don't fix what isn't broken!) but do you feel this is fast and stable enough for studio use? My skeptical side feels that a software solution to sync the cards will always be inferior to using hardware-based master/slave clocking, but it's entirely possible that systems are more than fast enough to handle this easily. I'm not sure I'd want to rely on it for recording 16 channels of 24 bit/96kHz input, though - at least on my rather aging but quiet and stable P4 based studio system. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From ailo.at at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 18:47:04 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:47:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D07AD3F.5050504@faberman.de> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <20101214172347.GD2689@siel.b> <4D07AD3F.5050504@faberman.de> Message-ID: <4D07BBA8.5090808@gmail.com> On 12/14/2010 06:45 PM, Florian Faber wrote: > On 12/14/10 18:23, torbenh wrote: > >>> I can guarantee that you'd need to sync them with SPDIF under Windows as >>> well as Linux, or you'll get clock drift between the cards. True. I just looked through the manual for the delta 1010, and it clearly says one needs to connect the cards with spdif to sync them when using more than one delta card. Next time I'll read the manual first... >> alsa_out tools are build to compensate the clock drift. > > If you use SRC you pretty much violate AES specs as you lose bit > transparency. SRC is not a solution, it is a last resort. > > In a well controlled situation like this, sound cards should be synced > in hardware. All professional sound cards support this (some can even > sync their buffers). It really isn't rocket science. > > > Flo -- ailo From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 14 18:50:57 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:50:57 -0800 Subject: [LAU] -ck patch In-Reply-To: <201012132008.50244.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <4D062CE8.4060107@gareus.org> <20101213210332.GA16932@aieee.restivo.org> <201012132008.50244.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101214185057.GC9535@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 08:08:50PM -0200, Fabio wrote: > Em segunda-feira 13 dezembro 2010, ?s 19:03:32, Ken Restivo escreveu: > > my latest bass setup (using LinuxSampler instead of FluidSynth) > > can I ask what sampels you are using? I am still searching for a good bass I found a free gig of a Pedulla bass. I don't remember where exactly I got it. I did have to modify it, but gigedit worked great for that. -ken From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 14 18:53:51 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:53:51 -0800 Subject: [LAU] A teeny-tiny Beatrix placement In-Reply-To: References: <20101212225431.GF24752@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101214185351.GD9535@aieee.restivo.org> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:56:11PM +0000, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > Beatrix (and zita-convolver) is the B3/Leslie used on the last (and title) > > track on FireHead Jerry's "Sidewalks". I did the organ track in a quick > > session month or two ago > > > > Any chance you could post a 5 sec demo of just the Organ sound? Or beatrix / > zita setting files.. I'm curious!? > It's not my music, so I can't post it anywhere, sorry. I did however CC-license and post the convolution samples I use for the Leslie, http://storage.restivo.org/impulses/leslie-impulses.tar -ken From goemusic at yahoo.fr Tue Dec 14 21:34:05 2010 From: goemusic at yahoo.fr (Frank Kober) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [LAU] Qmidiarp news In-Reply-To: <145419.52619.qm@web26404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <780210.5042.qm@web26403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- En date de?: Mar 14.12.10, Frank Kober a ?crit?: > --- En date de?: Sam 11.12.10, Mark > Knecht > a ?crit?: > > Sounds like fun. > > > > It would be very cool to hear some audio examples. > > > > - Mark > > > > That's it, I've taken the time to make some commented > "tutorial" videos. > > I hope you don't fall asleep along my lame talk :), part II > is probably more interesting. > > Part I:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riUVE3Xi_V0 > Part II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSlhHMOaIQ > > There is also a small music demo piece I made. This mainly > uses the sequencers and lfo's in qmidiarp along with > hydrogen, seq24, calf organ, monosynth and yoshimi. The arps > are only used for percussive guitar-like chords: > http://linuxmao.org/tikiwiki/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=190 > > Hope you can enjoy > Frank Linuxmao currently has some performance problems, if that link doesn't work right away please try back later... Sorry for the noise Frank From harryhaaren at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 01:51:15 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:51:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] A teeny-tiny Beatrix placement In-Reply-To: <20101214185351.GD9535@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101212225431.GF24752@aieee.restivo.org> <20101214185351.GD9535@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: Hi, Cheers. Downloaded the impluses there... always nice to have more :-) Listened to the preview samples on Amazon, sounds good. Congrats! -Harry On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:56:11PM +0000, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > > > Beatrix (and zita-convolver) is the B3/Leslie used on the last (and > title) > > > track on FireHead Jerry's "Sidewalks". I did the organ track in a quick > > > session month or two ago > > > > > > > Any chance you could post a 5 sec demo of just the Organ sound? Or > beatrix / > > zita setting files.. I'm curious!? > > > > It's not my music, so I can't post it anywhere, sorry. > > I did however CC-license and post the convolution samples I use for the > Leslie, > http://storage.restivo.org/impulses/leslie-impulses.tar > > -ken > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronan at jouchet.fr Wed Dec 15 04:33:58 2010 From: ronan at jouchet.fr (Ronan Jouchet) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:33:58 -0500 Subject: [LAU] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> On 10-12-14 02:38 PM, ailo wrote: > On 12/14/2010 08:06 PM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: >> The -lowlatency 2.6.37-8.21~ppa1 kernel have RT_GROUP_SCHED enabled. >> Instead the 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 one's have RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled. >> >> Anyone could test those? >> >> Ciao, >> Alessio >> > > On Natty, 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1, Virtualbox > > ... I confirm 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 from abogani PPA (RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled) works fine. I will leave the decision to Alessio (or somebody else from the kernel team) to close or not https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/690010 , since a proper solution implementing cgroups management may be preferable and implementable. Alessio, thanks for the very quick response, now, back to actually testing this kernel :) Bye, Ronan Jouchet From ronan at jouchet.fr Wed Dec 15 04:46:55 2010 From: ronan at jouchet.fr (Ronan Jouchet) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:46:55 -0500 Subject: [LAU] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> Message-ID: <4D08483F.7020002@jouchet.fr> On 10-12-14 11:39 PM, Daniel Chen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Ronan Jouchet wrote: >> I confirm 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 from abogani PPA (RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled) >> works fine. >> >> I will leave the decision to Alessio (or somebody else from the kernel >> team) to close or not >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/690010 , since a >> proper solution implementing cgroups management may be preferable and >> implementable. > > As Paul alludes to, changing this Ubuntu kernel config option doesn't > resolve the real issue, and I wouldn't be keen on changing the option > that clearly works for other applications. > > -Dan 101% agreed, if this option is here to stay (and it seems to be), a "proper solution implementing cgroups management" would be preferable Ronan From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Dec 15 05:28:09 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:28:09 -1000 Subject: [LAU] [Rosegarden-user] note duration-rests In-Reply-To: References: <515046.75274.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D0851E9.9060004@hawaii.rr.com> Hmmm, just recorded a track in Rosegarden 1.70 using vkeybd. It recorded durations just fine, complete with rests. Don't have RG10.x here to checked but I'd expect it to work the same way. Small, inexpensive (US$49) MIDI keyboards are around: http://www.jr.com/korg/pe/KRG_NANOKEYB/ Peter Knaggs wrote: > Hi Beh, > > I recently started learning Rosegarden myself, and I found that > using the "Notation Editor": starting with a new project, middle-click > and drag to create a "segment" of the desired length (e.g. a few bars > if your song is short, or more if it's long) then click on the new (yellowish) > segment and press "n" (lowercase N, shortcut for the notation editor, or > you can right click and say "open in Notation Editor"). There, you'll see on > the left-hand-side of the page you can choose the duration of your note. > Then you select the "pencil" tool and click it somewhere to "record" the note. > Rosegarden will automatically show the "rests" remaining in the bar. I'm not > sure how to insert additional rests in between notes, as I haven't needed to > do that sort of thing yet. > > If you're intending to record "live" input from a computer keyboard, I don't > think that's possible. The normal way MIDI note duration is provided is by > a MIDI controller keyboard performing a timing operation, then encoding > that info into the midi stream along with the note pitch and velocity info. > A computer keyboard doesn't have hardware to determine the timing and velocity > of your key pressed. I guess perhaps somebody somewhere might have written > a MIDI simulator "driver" for ordinary computer keyboards, but I'm not aware > of one for linux. It would be fun though. > > Still, if you can get a real MIDI keyboard, it'll be preferable. You don't need > anything expensive, e.g. I'm using an old Kurzweil MIDIboard built back in > 1987 and it still works, pretty cheap. > > Cheers, > Peter. > > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:50 AM, beh estelah wrote: >> Hello >> >> I'm trying to learn Rosegarden. >> I do not have an external midi keyboard. >> When I use the computer keyboard to play music, Rosegarden does register the >> notes, however it does not register the duration of notes and the rests. >> Is there any way to register the duration of notes and rests? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ico at vt.edu Wed Dec 15 05:33:12 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:33:12 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available In-Reply-To: <273665.93265.qm@web51504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <273665.93265.qm@web51504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1292391192.2783.3.camel@monsoon> Can't reproduce over here. Are you running different libs and are they precompiled for l2ork? Also, after you've right-clicked you said cnv is not selected. At what point did you deselect it in the first place? Ico On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 19:35 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > segfault: > > 1. New patch. > 2. Create [cnv]. > 3. Save as test.pd > 4. Right-click [cnv] and choose "Properties". > 5. Click "Ok". > > Crash. > (Hardy.) > -Jonathan > > --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > From: Ivica Ico Bukvic > > Subject: [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available > > To: pd-list at iem.at, l2ork-dev at disis.music.vt.edu, lau at lists.linuxaudio.org, piksel at piksel.no > > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 6:28 PM > > Apologies for cross-posting. > > > > It appears a few more bugs snuck into the stable release. > > At the same > > time I felt like the rest of the iemgui objects could > > really benefit > > from the resizing via gui, hence another release. > > > > 20101214 Changelog: > > *implemented resizable options for all iemgui objects (some > > require > > different behavior than others (e.g. number2 resizes > > horizontally based > > on the number of characters, while vertical resize also > > adjusts font > > size as well as gui triangle preceding characters, thus > > resulting in > > changes in width as well as height--consequently the target > > size tries > > to be as close to the mouse cursor as possible while > > altering width, > > height, font size and number of characters visible) > > *changed the whole project naming scheme to reflect > > "L2Orkified" version > > (pdextended becomes pd-l2ork, install dir is > > /usr/local/lib/pd-l2ork, > > uses default.pdl2ork config file, reflects different > > version) > > *changed appearance and updated content of the about.pd > > patch > > *fixed regression where help files for core objects were > > erroneously > > replaced by incorrect pddp documentation > > *synced backport of the new browser and adjusted appearance > > to match the > > theme > > *fixed bug where pddplink failed to open related files > > *fixed resizable canvas so that it updates scrollbars after > > resizing, > > dirties the canvas, and properly relocates scale handle > > when moved > > > > As always, comments/feedback are most appreciated. > > > > http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Ico > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list at iem.at > > mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > From ico at vt.edu Wed Dec 15 07:24:22 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:24:22 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available In-Reply-To: <44859.6731.qm@web51501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <44859.6731.qm@web51501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1292397862.2783.54.camel@monsoon> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 21:50 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > For example-- right-click on the top left-hand corner of cnv in run mode (since you can't select anything in run mode, this will ensure > it's not selected). Then choose "Properties". > > Now when I click "Ok" under these circumstances I get the segfault. > > -Jonathan Got it and fixed it. Will be uploading it shortly. Many thanks for the report! Best wishes, Ico From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 11:43:56 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:43:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] apt-get and RT kernel strangeness In-Reply-To: References: <4D068443.7010401@gmail.com> <4D0788D9.9000002@gmail.com> <4D078CB8.3000109@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D079248.6060604@gmail.com> <4D07956D.1090301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D08A9FC.20607@gmail.com> On 12/15/2010 04:31 AM, yermandu wrote: > Check this http://jackaudio.org/linux_group_sched grep -i RT_GROUP_SCHED /boot/config-2.6.33.7-rt29-1-amd64 # CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED is not set > > 2010/12/14 rosea.grammostola > > > On 12/14/2010 04:50 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > On 12/14/2010 04:26 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > On 12/14/2010 04:10 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > On 12/13/2010 09:38 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > Hi, > > I have an oddity on Ubuntu Lucid. > > Installing libboost1.40-dev, default kernel, no > problemo. > > Installing libboost1.40-dev, RT kernel, install > (unpacking/ > processing) takes minuts! > > I have this oddity with another package, but most > packages install > normal. > > $ uname -a > Linux ubuntu 2.6.33-29-realtime #1-Ubuntu SMP > PREEMPT RT Wed Aug 4 > 20:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux > > from: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/ > > > $ apt-cache policy libboost1.40-dev > libboost1.40-dev: > Installed: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 > Candidate: 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 > Version table: > *** 1.40.0-4ubuntu4 0 > 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ > lucid/main Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > (maybe not interesting, but iotop says: > CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not > enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %) > > Any idea what this could be? > > wild guesses: > > Thanks > > * swap disabled in the rt kernel, and you're low on RAM? > > $ grep -i swap /boot/config-2.6.33-29-realtime > CONFIG_SWAP=y > CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_RES_CTLR_SWAP=y > CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y > CONFIG_RING_BUFFER_ALLOW_SWAP=y > > > 2GB RAM > > * are you running real-time tasks in the background (such > as jack)? > > No > > Hmm.... > > > Strange that is only happens with some packages like libboost-dev... > > Are there other RT kernels available for Ubuntu Lucid, to test a > bit? 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URL: From torbenh at gmx.de Wed Dec 15 12:07:23 2010 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:07:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: <4D08483F.7020002@jouchet.fr> References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08483F.7020002@jouchet.fr> Message-ID: <20101215120723.GE2689@siel.b> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:46:55PM -0500, Ronan Jouchet wrote: > On 10-12-14 11:39 PM, Daniel Chen wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Ronan Jouchet wrote: > >>I confirm 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 from abogani PPA (RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled) > >>works fine. > >> > >>I will leave the decision to Alessio (or somebody else from the kernel > >>team) to close or not > >>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/690010 , since a > >>proper solution implementing cgroups management may be preferable and > >>implementable. > > > >As Paul alludes to, changing this Ubuntu kernel config option doesn't > >resolve the real issue, and I wouldn't be keen on changing the option > >that clearly works for other applications. how does the option work for other applications ? this statement looks like you dont understand what this is all about :( > > > >-Dan > > 101% agreed, if this option is here to stay (and it seems to be), a > "proper solution implementing cgroups management" would be > preferable in this case you need to put the relevant stuff into /etc/cgconfig.conf in order to make jack clients obtain their share of rt-cputime they need to get moved into a cgroup which has some rt-bandwidth setup. the big problem is that the cgroup where the process needs to be moved to depends on how /etc/cgconfig.conf is setup. libjack can not find this out. we could provide hooks, which allow distro specific hacks. but they would break if users start to mess with the cgroup layout. userspace is not ready for this kernel option. this is like turning off devfs without having udevd in place. i always thought ubuntu was about making things easy for the user. regarding jack, ubuntu has quite a big track record of making things hard for the users. > > Ronan > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 12:49:55 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:49:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D08B973.109@gmail.com> Ok, back to the original topic. The setup is: Three pci audio cards and a bunch of usb midi devices connected to my computer. Problem: After booting the computer and doing cat /proc/asound/cards I find most of the pci audio cards and usb midi devices listed. I say most, because one or more of the devices is missing. Quite often a midi usb device will be listed as the first choice. This is not supposed to happen, right? -- ailo From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 13:00:40 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:00:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> > I've put up how I got it to work here: http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html > I run 2 Delta 1010s synced up and it works well for me. > I tried this setup on Puredyne 911 (based on Ubuntu Karmic, but without pulseaudio). I added the suggested lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get the m-audio cards to load first. I added the ~/.asoundrc with the suggested content. At least the ~./asoundrc didn't seem to work. Perhaps on Ubuntu Karmic this needs to be done differently? -- ailo From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 13:09:49 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:09:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> On 12/15/2010 12:56 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/15/2010 05:33 AM, Ronan Jouchet wrote: >> On 10-12-14 02:38 PM, ailo wrote: >>> On 12/14/2010 08:06 PM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: >>>> The -lowlatency 2.6.37-8.21~ppa1 kernel have RT_GROUP_SCHED enabled. >>>> Instead the 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 one's have RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled. >>>> >>>> Anyone could test those? >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> Alessio >>>> >>> >>> On Natty, 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1, Virtualbox >>> >>> ... >> >> I confirm 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 from abogani PPA (RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled) >> works fine. > > AFAIK the *.33 kernel from abogani, CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y, works > fine (using audio.conf instead of limits.conf). > > (All though I have an issue with installing a package like > libboost-dev, which takes minuts when booted a RT kernel and seconds > when using the generic kernel, Ubuntu and Debian, kernel 2.6.33.7-rt2. > The Debian RT kernel has RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled though..., > > http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-audio-users/msg74100.html ) > > \r BTW the kernel for Tango Studio has it also enable afaik grep -i RT_GROUP_SCHED /boot/config-2.6.32-25-lowlatency CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y Lucid here. Does this whole story apply to Ubuntu 10.04 also? \r From torbenh at gmx.de Wed Dec 15 13:28:42 2010 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:28:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101215132842.GI2689@siel.b> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 02:09:49PM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/15/2010 12:56 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >On 12/15/2010 05:33 AM, Ronan Jouchet wrote: > >>On 10-12-14 02:38 PM, ailo wrote: > >>>On 12/14/2010 08:06 PM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: > >>>>The -lowlatency 2.6.37-8.21~ppa1 kernel have RT_GROUP_SCHED enabled. > >>>>Instead the 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 one's have RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled. > >>>> > >>>>Anyone could test those? > >>>> > >>>>Ciao, > >>>>Alessio > >>>> > >>> > >>>On Natty, 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1, Virtualbox > >>> > >>>... > >> > >>I confirm 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 from abogani PPA (RT_GROUP_SCHED > >>disabled) works fine. > > > >AFAIK the *.33 kernel from abogani, CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y, works > >fine (using audio.conf instead of limits.conf). > > > >(All though I have an issue with installing a package like > >libboost-dev, which takes minuts when booted a RT kernel and > >seconds when using the generic kernel, Ubuntu and Debian, kernel > >2.6.33.7-rt2. The Debian RT kernel has RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled > >though..., > > > >http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-audio-users/msg74100.html ) > > > >\r > BTW the kernel for Tango Studio has it also enable afaik > > grep -i RT_GROUP_SCHED /boot/config-2.6.32-25-lowlatency > CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y > > Lucid here. Does this whole story apply to Ubuntu 10.04 also? as long as no cgroups are used, this is not a problem. but when processes get moved outside of the root cgroup, its very unlikely, that these cgroups have rt bandwidth assigned to them > > \r > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn From danni.coy at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 13:33:16 2010 From: danni.coy at gmail.com (Danni Coy) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:33:16 +1000 Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't think so... but the default kernel in 10.04 doesn't work so well latency wise... I reccomend the ones in falktx's ppas.... On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:09 PM, rosea.grammostola < rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/15/2010 12:56 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > >> On 12/15/2010 05:33 AM, Ronan Jouchet wrote: >> >>> On 10-12-14 02:38 PM, ailo wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/14/2010 08:06 PM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: >>>> >>>>> The -lowlatency 2.6.37-8.21~ppa1 kernel have RT_GROUP_SCHED enabled. >>>>> Instead the 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 one's have RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone could test those? >>>>> >>>>> Ciao, >>>>> Alessio >>>>> >>>>> >>>> On Natty, 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1, Virtualbox >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>> >>> I confirm 2.6.37-9.22~ppa1 from abogani PPA (RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled) >>> works fine. >>> >> >> AFAIK the *.33 kernel from abogani, CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y, works fine >> (using audio.conf instead of limits.conf). >> >> (All though I have an issue with installing a package like libboost-dev, >> which takes minuts when booted a RT kernel and seconds when using the >> generic kernel, Ubuntu and Debian, kernel 2.6.33.7-rt2. The Debian RT kernel >> has RT_GROUP_SCHED disabled though..., >> >> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-audio-users/msg74100.html ) >> >> \r >> > BTW the kernel for Tango Studio has it also enable afaik > > grep -i RT_GROUP_SCHED /boot/config-2.6.32-25-lowlatency > CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y > > Lucid here. Does this whole story apply to Ubuntu 10.04 also? > > \r > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From torbenh at gmx.de Wed Dec 15 13:37:10 2010 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:37:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <20101214125511.077e4d95.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <20101214172347.GD2689@siel.b> <20101214125511.077e4d95.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20101215133710.GJ2689@siel.b> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:55:11PM -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:23:47 +0100 > torbenh wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Joe Hartley wrote: > > > If you want to use these two cards together, then syncing with SPDIF is > > > pretty much required. The alsa_in/out programs add latency, and as the > > > website said, you should not record using those programs. > > > > alsa_in/out programs can yield lower latency than jackd itself. > > and i doubt, that anyone can hear the artifacts. > > > > the website is for the version that came with jack 0.116.x > > but the new algorithm is a lot better. > > > > > I can guarantee that you'd need to sync them with SPDIF under Windows as > > > well as Linux, or you'll get clock drift between the cards. > > > > alsa_out tools are build to compensate the clock drift. > > Fairly impressive performance, then! I'm not likely to revamp my setup > (Don't fix what isn't broken!) but do you feel this is fast and stable > enough for studio use? > > My skeptical side feels that a software solution to sync the cards will > always be inferior to using hardware-based master/slave clocking, but it's > entirely possible that systems are more than fast enough to handle this easily. the cards are not synced. the program just compensates for the drift. it does this by slightly resampling the stream. if you can hardware sync your cards, then by all means do it. its better. alsa_io will burn quite a bit of cpu. its just normally is the easiest solution, and works without hardware sync. and the claim that it adds latency is wrong. > > I'm not sure I'd want to rely on it for recording 16 channels of 24 bit/96kHz > input, though - at least on my rather aging but quiet and stable P4 based > studio system. > > -- > ====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 15 14:35:17 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:35:17 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would be useful for people who have a problem in this area to run ps -O cgroup so that we can see what cgroups are in use on their systems. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 15 14:38:15 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:38:15 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:00 AM, ailo wrote: >> I've put up how I got it to work here: >> http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html >> I run 2 Delta 1010s synced up and it works well for me. >> > > I tried this setup on Puredyne 911 (based on Ubuntu Karmic, but without > pulseaudio). > I added the suggested lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get the > m-audio cards to load first. > I added the ~/.asoundrc with the suggested content. as has been noted, the order of the cards matters only if you insist on referring to them by number. refer to them by name and the problem goes away. From compose59 at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 14:40:18 2010 From: compose59 at gmail.com (alex stone) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:40:18 +0300 Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Doesn't work with the "-" here in Gentoo. (bogus syntax error) ps O cgroup seems to work ok though. Alex. From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 15:09:38 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:09:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> On 12/15/2010 03:38 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:00 AM, ailo wrote: >>> I've put up how I got it to work here: >>> http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html >>> I run 2 Delta 1010s synced up and it works well for me. >>> >> >> I tried this setup on Puredyne 911 (based on Ubuntu Karmic, but without >> pulseaudio). >> I added the suggested lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get the >> m-audio cards to load first. >> I added the ~/.asoundrc with the suggested content. > > as has been noted, the order of the cards matters only if you insist > on referring to them by number. refer to them by name and the problem > goes away. In this case I'm trying to load 2 cards with a single interface as described here: http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html I'm investigating the way the system is setup (Puredyne 911), whether alsa reads ~/.asoundrc or not. It seems to me that the way alsa works and is configured has changed a bit over the years, so perhaps it will take some tweaking to get this particular setup to work. As a footnote, getting puredata to use multiple cards using OSS seems to work pretty well (I suppose this is a builtin feature for puredata). After a quick test I did not hear any clicks (don't know if my spdif sync between the m-audio delta cards is set up right, and I have no way to tell as of now). -- ailo From peter at fuzzle.org Wed Dec 15 15:11:10 2010 From: peter at fuzzle.org (Peter Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:11:10 +0000 Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1292425870.2823.217.camel@petern.bnsnet.co.uk> On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:40 +0300, alex stone wrote: > Doesn't work with the "-" here in Gentoo. (bogus syntax error) > > ps O cgroup > > > seems to work ok though. But, it doesn't give the same information... $ ps -O cgroup PID CGROUP S TTY TIME COMMAND 29587 - S pts/11 00:00:00 bash 29610 - R pts/11 00:00:00 ps -O cgroup $ ps O cgroup PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 13749 pts/1 Ss+ 0:00 bash 13825 pts/4 Ss 0:00 bash 13851 pts/5 Ss+ 0:00 bash 14703 pts/0 Ss 0:00 -bash 21558 pts/2 Ss 0:00 bash 26460 pts/10 Ss+ 0:00 bash 26784 pts/3 Ss 0:00 bash [...] Peter. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ico at vt.edu Wed Dec 15 17:40:11 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:40:11 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available In-Reply-To: <831659.9347.qm@web51505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <831659.9347.qm@web51505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1292434812.18448.23.camel@monsoon> > You're simply hiding the bug: > 1. With the Properties dialogue open, go back and click somewhere > on the patch to deselect the iemgui. (Btw-- there are times when > this behavior is convienent, so please don't make the Properties > dialogue force focus.) > 2. Click "Ok". > 3. Still crashes. > > No crash in Pd-vanilla 0.43. That is because (afaik) vanilla 0.43 does not have apply undo at all. In other words apply actions that result from properties are simply ignored. In my case the way I am tracking items in undo is I seek selected items which now I realize is not the most robust way of doing so. That said, I did not make this fix to "hide the bug" but rather for the sake of consistency because I believe one needs to be in edit mode to edit, and getting properties for an object, particularly when there are many crammed near each other I believe one needs to select the item to reflect what they've selected, and then do operations that pertain to editing. I believe that allowing to edit items in this way while not in edit mode is essentially a bug from a usability perspective as it erases differentiation between performance (or whatever you will call it) and editing mode. All that said, I need to reconsider how to deal with undo and I have a pretty good idea now what needs to be done (e.g. by passing obj pointer to the undo in addition to the canvas pointer)... From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Dec 15 18:26:06 2010 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:26:06 -0800 Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel] RT_GROUP_SCHED kernel option makes JACK unusable in Ubuntu Natty In-Reply-To: References: <4D06F3CD.3000506@jouchet.fr> <4D0785C4.1000902@canonical.com> <4D07C7A6.2080602@gmail.com> <4D084536.9050409@jouchet.fr> <4D08ACFA.8020508@gmail.com> <4D08BE1D.8020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D09083E.3090502@localhost> On 12/15/2010 06:35 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > It would be useful for people who have a problem in this area to run > > ps -O cgroup > > so that we can see what cgroups are in use on their systems. No cgroups seem to be in use here (FC13 i386), a "-" appears under that column. The kernels do have CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y -- Fernando From ico at vt.edu Wed Dec 15 21:13:26 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:13:26 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available Message-ID: Ok, new version is now up that should fix this and other issues in respect to core pd. I will work on zexy aliases next to offset the loss of flatspace. Now that I've isolated offending aliases This should be fairly easy. Cheers! Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > >> You're simply hiding the bug: >> 1. With the Properties dialogue open, go back and click somewhere >> on the patch to deselect the iemgui. (Btw-- there are times when >> this behavior is convienent, so please don't make the Properties >> dialogue force focus.) >> 2. Click "Ok". >> 3. Still crashes. >> >> No crash in Pd-vanilla 0.43. > >That is because (afaik) vanilla 0.43 does not have apply undo at all. In >other words apply actions that result from properties are simply >ignored. > >In my case the way I am tracking items in undo is I seek selected items >which now I realize is not the most robust way of doing so. That said, I >did not make this fix to "hide the bug" but rather for the sake of >consistency because I believe one needs to be in edit mode to edit, and >getting properties for an object, particularly when there are many >crammed near each other I believe one needs to select the item to >reflect what they've selected, and then do operations that pertain to >editing. I believe that allowing to edit items in this way while not in >edit mode is essentially a bug from a usability perspective as it erases >differentiation between performance (or whatever you will call it) and >editing mode. > >All that said, I need to reconsider how to deal with undo and I have a >pretty good idea now what needs to be done (e.g. by passing obj pointer >to the undo in addition to the canvas pointer)... > > >_______________________________________________ >Pd-list at iem.at mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 21:31:13 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:31:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D08B973.109@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D08B973.109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0933A1.5060700@gmail.com> On 12/15/2010 01:49 PM, ailo wrote: > Ok, back to the original topic. > > The setup is: > Three pci audio cards and a bunch of usb midi devices connected to my > computer. > > Problem: > After booting the computer and doing cat /proc/asound/cards I find most > of the pci audio cards and usb midi devices listed. > I say most, because one or more of the devices is missing. > Quite often a midi usb device will be listed as the first choice. > > This is not supposed to happen, right? > So, this was just the result of me editing the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. After adding.. alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 options snd-ice1712 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-ice1712 options snd-ice1712 index=1 ..these cards would not load if something else was loaded into those indexes. I suppose I could add all devices that are to be used (3 audio cards + some usb devices) into this file, but I'm giving up this for now. Anyway, I was only doing this in order to be able to write the ~/.asoundrc that would turn these two cards into one interface. As stated in another reply it didn't work for me, even if the ice1712 cards were loaded into hw:0 and hw:1. -- ailo From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 21:41:16 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:41:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <20101214171921.GC2689@siel.b> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214171921.GC2689@siel.b> Message-ID: <4D0935FC.2030505@gmail.com> On 12/14/2010 06:19 PM, torbenh wrote: > if you run jackd with a period size of 128... running alsa_out -d hw:1 -p 128 > should give you good results with jack>= 0.118 I tried this, but was never able to get good sound from the alsa_out device. I put a lot of effort in making sure I used the right flags, but there would always be a stable periodic jitter. I tried this on two different systems: Puredyne (I compiled the latest stable jackdmp from source) and TangoStudio (which comes with jackd 0.118). Both on amd64, if that makes any difference. As reference, I am getting really good results using multiple devices on puredata using OSS. No broken sound at around 5 ms. Is there some way I can debug alsa_in/out? -- ailo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 15 21:48:45 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:48:45 -0500 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: <4D0935FC.2030505@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214171921.GC2689@siel.b> <4D0935FC.2030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:41 PM, ailo wrote: > On 12/14/2010 06:19 PM, torbenh wrote: >> >> if you run jackd with a period size of 128... running alsa_out -d hw:1 -p >> 128 >> should give you good results with jack>= 0.118 > > I tried this, but was never able to get good sound from the alsa_out device. > I put a lot of effort in making sure I used the right flags, but there would > always be a stable periodic jitter. > > I tried this on two different systems: Puredyne (I compiled the latest > stable jackdmp from source) and TangoStudio (which comes with jackd 0.118). > Both on amd64, if that makes any difference. > > As reference, I am getting really good results using multiple devices on > puredata using OSS. No broken sound at around 5 ms. this isn't very useful info, mostly, because "usng OSS" on puredata means that you're still using the same underlying drivers. how do you tell Pd to use OSS for this ? From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 22:05:51 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:05:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] How to make Jack remember soundcards, not alsa-slots In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214171921.GC2689@siel.b> <4D0935FC.2030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D093BBF.5060103@gmail.com> On 12/15/2010 10:48 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:41 PM, ailo wrote: >> On 12/14/2010 06:19 PM, torbenh wrote: >>> >>> if you run jackd with a period size of 128... running alsa_out -d hw:1 -p >>> 128 >>> should give you good results with jack>= 0.118 >> >> I tried this, but was never able to get good sound from the alsa_out device. >> I put a lot of effort in making sure I used the right flags, but there would >> always be a stable periodic jitter. >> >> I tried this on two different systems: Puredyne (I compiled the latest >> stable jackdmp from source) and TangoStudio (which comes with jackd 0.118). >> Both on amd64, if that makes any difference. >> >> As reference, I am getting really good results using multiple devices on >> puredata using OSS. No broken sound at around 5 ms. > > this isn't very useful info, mostly, because "usng OSS" on puredata > means that you're still using the same underlying drivers. > how do you tell Pd to use OSS for this ? What is underneath, I cannot say. What I meant "as reference" was only that I get good sound doing it this way, so at least I know it is possible to get these cards to sync. As for how to set it up: If you have more than one audio card and choose OSS from pd's "Media" menu, there is a button for "multiple devices". This expands the choices so that you can choose which cards are used for input and which cards are used for output, as well as how many channels are used for each input and output on each card. -- ailo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 15 22:15:24 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:15:24 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: i think you need to post your ~/.asoundrc file. AFAIK, any attempt to use an ALSA device, no matter whether its via the OSS API, Pulse or JACK, will result in ~/.asoundrc being loaded and used to define device names and other miscellania. its entirely possible to refer to cards by name in ~/.asoundrc as well. From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 22:30:49 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:30:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> On 12/15/2010 11:15 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > i think you need to post your ~/.asoundrc file. > > AFAIK, any attempt to use an ALSA device, no matter whether its via > the OSS API, Pulse or JACK, will result in ~/.asoundrc being loaded > and used to define device names and other miscellania. > > its entirely possible to refer to cards by name in ~/.asoundrc as well. I used the exact same ~/.asoundrc as here http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html. I only have one reservation about that file. Instead of two delta-1010's, I use one delta-1010 and one delta-66. Both have the same chip and present the same number of inputs and outputs, even though only a part of them are usable on the delta-66. cat /proc/asound/cards showed this about the m-audio cards: 0 [M1010LT ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 1010LT M Audio Delta 1010LT at 0xec00, irq 19 1 [M66 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 66 M Audio Delta 66 at 0xe400, irq 18 I did try changing all instances of hw:0 to hw:M1010LT and all instances of hw:1 to hw:M66. This is the file: # .asoundrc for two Delta 1010s # # Create virtual devices out of multiple soundcards. # JACK will need MMAP_COMPLEX support to use this. # ICE1712 chip has 12 capture channels and 10 playback channels. # No. of channels in slaves must equal 12 for capture and 10 for playback # otherwise "invalid argument" errors result. ########### Old .asoundrc config #pcm.ice1712 { # type hw # card 0 #} # #ctl.ice1712 { # type hw # card 0 #} ############ pcm.multi_capture { type multi slaves.a.pcm hw:0 slaves.a.channels 12 slaves.b.pcm hw:1 slaves.b.channels 12 # First 8 channels of first soundcard (capture) bindings.0.slave a bindings.0.channel 0 bindings.1.slave a bindings.1.channel 1 bindings.2.slave a bindings.2.channel 2 bindings.3.slave a bindings.3.channel 3 bindings.4.slave a bindings.4.channel 4 bindings.5.slave a bindings.5.channel 5 bindings.6.slave a bindings.6.channel 6 bindings.7.slave a bindings.7.channel 7 # First 8 channels of second soundcard (capture) bindings.8.slave b bindings.8.channel 0 bindings.9.slave b bindings.9.channel 1 bindings.10.slave b bindings.10.channel 2 bindings.11.slave b bindings.11.channel 3 bindings.12.slave b bindings.12.channel 4 bindings.13.slave b bindings.13.channel 5 bindings.14.slave b bindings.14.channel 6 bindings.15.slave b bindings.15.channel 7 } ctl.multi_capture { type hw card 0 } pcm.multi_playback { type multi slaves.a.pcm hw:0 slaves.a.channels 10 slaves.b.pcm hw:1 slaves.b.channels 10 # First 8 channels of first soundcard (playback) bindings.0.slave a bindings.0.channel 0 bindings.1.slave a bindings.1.channel 1 bindings.2.slave a bindings.2.channel 2 bindings.3.slave a bindings.3.channel 3 bindings.4.slave a bindings.4.channel 4 bindings.5.slave a bindings.5.channel 5 bindings.6.slave a bindings.6.channel 6 bindings.7.slave a bindings.7.channel 7 # First 8 channels of second soundcard (playback) bindings.8.slave b bindings.8.channel 0 bindings.9.slave b bindings.9.channel 1 bindings.10.slave b bindings.10.channel 2 bindings.11.slave b bindings.11.channel 3 bindings.12.slave b bindings.12.channel 4 bindings.13.slave b bindings.13.channel 5 bindings.14.slave b bindings.14.channel 6 bindings.15.slave b bindings.15.channel 7 } ctl.multi_playback { type hw card 0 } -- ailo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 15 22:35:51 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:35:51 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:30 PM, ailo wrote: > On 12/15/2010 11:15 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >> >> i think you need to post your ~/.asoundrc file. >> >> AFAIK, any attempt to use an ALSA device, no matter whether its via >> the OSS API, Pulse or JACK, will result in ~/.asoundrc being loaded >> and used to define device names and other miscellania. >> >> its entirely possible to refer to cards by name in ~/.asoundrc as well. > > > I used the exact same ~/.asoundrc as here > http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html. so what is the output of: aplay -L and arecord -L From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 22:52:06 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:52:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> Ok, so there is a third device here as well, at hw:2, which I intentionally left out before. aplay -L null Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) default:CARD=M1010LT M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi Default Audio Device front:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi Front speakers surround40:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers iec958:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output default:CARD=M66 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi Default Audio Device front:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi Front speakers surround40:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers iec958:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output default:CARD=NVidia HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog Default Audio Device front:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog Front speakers surround40:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround71:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers -- ailo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 15 22:58:50 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:58:50 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:52 PM, ailo wrote: > Ok, so there is a third device here as well, at hw:2, which I intentionally > left out before. > > aplay -L ok, so now try: strace -e trace=open aplay -L From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 23:14:06 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:14:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> On 12/15/2010 11:58 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:52 PM, ailo wrote: >> Ok, so there is a third device here as well, at hw:2, which I intentionally >> left out before. >> >> aplay -L > > ok, so now try: > > strace -e trace=open aplay -L Apart from the aplay -L result at the end I got a lot of this: ... open("/dev/snd/controlC2", O_RDWR|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC2", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC2", O_RDWR|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 ... and this ... open("/dev/snd/controlC3", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/aloadC3", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/snd/controlC4", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/aloadC4", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/snd/controlC5", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/aloadC5", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/snd/controlC6", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/aloadC6", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/snd/controlC7", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) ... -- ailo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 15 23:18:26 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:18:26 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM, ailo wrote: > On 12/15/2010 11:58 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:52 PM, ailo ?wrote: >>> >>> Ok, so there is a third device here as well, at hw:2, which I >>> intentionally >>> left out before. >>> >>> aplay -L >> >> ok, so now try: >> >> ? ?strace -e trace=open aplay -L > > Apart from the aplay -L result at the end I got a lot of this: that's not what we're looking for. it should open ~/.asoundrc if it doesn't show with that command, use strace -e trace=file aplay -L From ailo.at at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 23:26:47 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:26:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> >> Apart from the aplay -L result at the end I got a lot of this: > > that's not what we're looking for. it should open ~/.asoundrc > if it doesn't show with that command, use > > strace -e trace=file aplay -L .... stat("/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=9035, ...}) = 0 open("/dev/snd/controlC1", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC1", O_RDWR|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDWR|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC1", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC1", O_RDWR|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 stat("/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=9035, ...}) = 0 open("/dev/snd/controlC1", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC1", O_RDWR|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 4 ... ... open("/dev/aloadC3", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/snd/controlC4", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/aloadC4", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/dev/snd/controlC5", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) ... -- ailo From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 00:14:49 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:14:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 12:26 AM, ailo wrote: > >>> Apart from the aplay -L result at the end I got a lot of this: >> >> that's not what we're looking for. it should open ~/.asoundrc >> if it doesn't show with that command, use >> >> strace -e trace=file aplay -L > > How can I make sure editing ~/.asoundrc has any effect? Perhaps you were looking for the result at the end of this reply? It's exactly the same as the result from aplay -L. null Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) default:CARD=M1010LT M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi Default Audio Device front:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi Front speakers surround40:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers iec958:CARD=M1010LT,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 1010LT, ICE1712 multi IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output default:CARD=M66 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi Default Audio Device front:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi Front speakers surround40:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers iec958:CARD=M66,DEV=0 M Audio Delta 66, ICE1712 multi IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output default:CARD=NVidia HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog Default Audio Device front:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog Front speakers surround40:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround71:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, VT1708S Analog 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers -- ailo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Dec 16 01:06:33 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:06:33 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM, ailo wrote: > On 12/16/2010 12:26 AM, ailo wrote: >> >>>> Apart from the aplay -L result at the end I got a lot of this: >>> >>> that's not what we're looking for. it should open ~/.asoundrc >>> if it doesn't show with that command, use >>> >>> strace -e trace=file aplay -L >> >> > > How can I make sure editing ~/.asoundrc has any effect? that is what we were doing. what is the output of: ls -l ~/.asoundrc From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Dec 16 01:08:41 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:08:41 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM, ailo wrote: >> On 12/16/2010 12:26 AM, ailo wrote: >>> >>>>> Apart from the aplay -L result at the end I got a lot of this: >>>> >>>> that's not what we're looking for. it should open ~/.asoundrc >>>> if it doesn't show with that command, use >>>> >>>> strace -e trace=file aplay -L >>> >>> >> >> How can I make sure editing ~/.asoundrc has any effect? > > that is what we were doing. what is the output of: > > ? ls -l ~/.asoundrc also, check /etc/share/alsa/alsa.conf for this block of text, or something very much like it: @hooks [ { func load files [ "/etc/asound.conf" "~/.asoundrc" ] errors false } ] this is how ~/.asoundrc is loaded. From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 01:16:17 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 02:16:17 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D096861.7070504@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 02:08 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM, ailo wrote: >>> On 12/16/2010 12:26 AM, ailo wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Apart from the aplay -L result at the end I got a lot of this: >>>>> >>>>> that's not what we're looking for. it should open ~/.asoundrc >>>>> if it doesn't show with that command, use >>>>> >>>>> strace -e trace=file aplay -L >>>> >>>> >>> >>> How can I make sure editing ~/.asoundrc has any effect? >> >> that is what we were doing. what is the output of: >> >> ls -l ~/.asoundrc > > also, check /etc/share/alsa/alsa.conf for this block of text, or > something very much like it: > > > @hooks [ > { > func load > files [ > "/etc/asound.conf" > "~/.asoundrc" > ] > errors false > } > ] > > this is how ~/.asoundrc is loaded. Yes, I checked that. I was reading up on .asoundrc on the alsa unofficial wiki. Alsa, I noticed that aplay -L gave me an error after I had made a typo in .asoundrc, so it's definitely doing something. #ls -l .asoundrc -rw-r--r-- 1 ailo ailo 69 2010-12-16 02:01 .asoundrc -- ailo From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 02:05:48 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:05:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D096861.7070504@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> <4D096861.7070504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0973FC.1040204@gmail.com> It seems that I finally woke up! Still not getting any sound, but working on it. I was so stuck on that multi_capture and multi_playback would show up in qjackctl, so that I never even tried: jackd -d alsa -C multi_capture -P multi_playback (multi_capture and multi_playback are defined in ~/.asoundrc as stated in a previous reply.) Where can they be found? aplay -L doesn't seem to output these interfaces, right? Thanks for all your help! -- ailo From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 02:40:30 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:40:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D0973FC.1040204@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> <4D096861.7070504@gmail.com> <4D0973FC.1040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D097C1E.4080507@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 03:05 AM, ailo wrote: It seems to work really well. I got sound now. Finally! So, a recap: I used the original ~/.asoundrc from http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html, but replaced the "hw:0" with "hw:M1010LT", and "hw:1" with "hw:M66", so that I don't have to edit the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. Also, the only method that works for me starting jack is from the command line: jackd -d alsa -C multi_capture -P multi_playback. I'm also wondering about the spdif sync method. In this .asoundrc, digital ins and outs are not dealt with. Isn't this needed in order to sync the cards? (This does not affect me so much, however, since I am not going to do studio recording with this setup, at least for the time being). Anyway, I'm satisfied here. Again, thanks for all your help! -- ailo From peter at fuzzle.org Thu Dec 16 08:28:49 2010 From: peter at fuzzle.org (Peter Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:28:49 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D097C1E.4080507@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> <4D096861.7070504@gmail.com> <4D0973FC.1040204@gmail.com> <4D097C1E.4080507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1292488129.11097.10.camel@atropos.lan.fuzzle.org> On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 03:40 +0100, ailo wrote: > Also, the only method that works for me starting jack is from the > command line: > jackd -d alsa -C multi_capture -P multi_playback. > > I'm also wondering about the spdif sync method. In this .asoundrc, > digital ins and outs are not dealt with. Isn't this needed in order to > sync the cards? Qjackctl is well behaved there: although it provides device drop downs, you can also just type the device names in. The S/PDIF synchronisation should be provided by the card's hardware and settings (envy24control -> Hardware Settings -> Master Clock -> S/PDIF in, on one of the cards) Peter. P.S. When someone asks you to type "ls -l ~/.asoundrc", it's rather helpful, in a remote diagnostics situation, to just do that instead of changing it to "ls -l .asoundrc" From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 11:45:29 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:45:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <1292488129.11097.10.camel@atropos.lan.fuzzle.org> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D0750E2.7030209@gareus.org> <4D0751B6.8010701@gareus.org> <4D0754E9.4030503@faberman.de> <4D079EF4.5090809@gmail.com> <20101214115503.8c2177fe.jh@brainiac.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <4D08DA32.7080109@gmail.com> <4D094199.9070500@gmail.com> <4D094696.4090507@gmail.com> <4D094BBE.6030103@gmail.com> <4D094EB7.3010309@gmail.com> <4D0959F9.1070904@gmail.com> <4D096861.7070504@gmail.com> <4D0973FC.1040204@gmail.com> <4D097C1E.4080507@gmail.com> <1292488129.11097.10.camel@atropos.lan.fuzzle.org> Message-ID: <4D09FBD9.1080503@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 09:28 AM, Peter Nelson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 03:40 +0100, ailo wrote: > >> Also, the only method that works for me starting jack is from the >> command line: >> jackd -d alsa -C multi_capture -P multi_playback. >> >> I'm also wondering about the spdif sync method. In this .asoundrc, >> digital ins and outs are not dealt with. Isn't this needed in order to >> sync the cards? > > Qjackctl is well behaved there: although it provides device drop downs, > you can also just type the device names in. > > The S/PDIF synchronisation should be provided by the card's hardware and > settings (envy24control -> Hardware Settings -> Master Clock -> S/PDIF > in, on one of the cards) I did this, using a normal audio cable. It seems to work. At first my changed settings had no effect, since changing spdif settings on envy24control didn't seem to work while jack was running. > > Peter. > > P.S. When someone asks you to type "ls -l ~/.asoundrc", it's rather > helpful, in a remote diagnostics situation, to just do that instead of > changing it to "ls -l .asoundrc" Yes, thank you. Making too many assumptions seems to be a mental disease of mine. I do try to do things by the letter, or try the simple solutions first for that matter :). In my defence, I am a musician first and a Linux enthusiast second. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- ailo From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Thu Dec 16 12:53:16 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:53:16 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Using gigedit Message-ID: <4D0A0BBC.6030205@quirq.ukfsn.org> Hello Does anyone here know how to use gigedit? The LinuxSampler forum seems to be pretty much dead -- people post questions, but no-one knowledgeable replies. I've searched the forum, which is not an easy task because its "common word" filter seems to rule out everything I want to search for. The documentation and posts I have found are anything but clear. The areas I want to find out about are velocity curves -- specifically how to turn them off. For example, I want a LPF connected to the modwheel, but this also renders the filter velocity sensitive, which I don't want. The other main areas are how to change the order of instruments within a gig file (changing the MIDI program number has no effect and I don't want to have to start again from scratch assigning 350 samples) and how to get keyswitching to work. Can anyone give me any help trying to achieve these things in gigedit? Cheers Q From jamesmstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 13:37:23 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:37:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Using gigedit In-Reply-To: <4D0A0BBC.6030205@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4D0A0BBC.6030205@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: You should use the linuxsampler mailing list - that is low traffic but very much alive. On 16/12/2010, Q wrote: > Hello > > Does anyone here know how to use gigedit? > > The LinuxSampler forum seems to be pretty much dead -- people post > questions, but no-one knowledgeable replies. I've searched the forum, > which is not an easy task because its "common word" filter seems to rule > out everything I want to search for. The documentation and posts I have > found are anything but clear. > > The areas I want to find out about are velocity curves -- specifically > how to turn them off. For example, I want a LPF connected to the > modwheel, but this also renders the filter velocity sensitive, which I > don't want. > > The other main areas are how to change the order of instruments within a > gig file (changing the MIDI program number has no effect and I don't > want to have to start again from scratch assigning 350 samples) and how > to get keyswitching to work. > > Can anyone give me any help trying to achieve these things in gigedit? > > Cheers > > Q > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From jamesmstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 13:38:59 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:38:59 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Using gigedit In-Reply-To: References: <4D0A0BBC.6030205@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: .. To be more specific, I meant the linuxsampler-devel mailing list. On 16/12/2010, James Stone wrote: > You should use the linuxsampler mailing list - that is low traffic but > very much alive. > > On 16/12/2010, Q wrote: >> Hello >> >> Does anyone here know how to use gigedit? >> >> The LinuxSampler forum seems to be pretty much dead -- people post >> questions, but no-one knowledgeable replies. I've searched the forum, >> which is not an easy task because its "common word" filter seems to rule >> out everything I want to search for. The documentation and posts I have >> found are anything but clear. >> >> The areas I want to find out about are velocity curves -- specifically >> how to turn them off. For example, I want a LPF connected to the >> modwheel, but this also renders the filter velocity sensitive, which I >> don't want. >> >> The other main areas are how to change the order of instruments within a >> gig file (changing the MIDI program number has no effect and I don't >> want to have to start again from scratch assigning 350 samples) and how >> to get keyswitching to work. >> >> Can anyone give me any help trying to achieve these things in gigedit? >> >> Cheers >> >> Q >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Thu Dec 16 14:37:28 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:37:28 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Using gigedit In-Reply-To: References: <4D0A0BBC.6030205@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <4D0A2428.80207@quirq.ukfsn.org> James Stone wrote: > .. To be more specific, I meant the linuxsampler-devel mailing list. > > On 16/12/2010, James Stone wrote: >> You should use the linuxsampler mailing list - that is low traffic but >> very much alive. >> I was aware of its existence, but didn't think to use it -- I suppose I'm used to the fairly clear demarcation that exists between LAU and LAD and had considered this a user issue rather than a development one. I have, in the last half hour, managed to figure out how to get rid of velocity sensitivity on the filter -- it works in a way that is completely counterintuitive to my mind. But even looking at commercial gigs with keyswitching, I couldn't figure out how to get that to work. Thanks, I'll give the mailing list a try now I know it's a suitable venue for such questions. In fact, I'll search through a web archive of the list first to see whether these questions have already been answered. Thanks again. Q From zotz at 100jamz.com Thu Dec 16 15:14:52 2010 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:14:52 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012161014.52309.zotz@100jamz.com> On Wednesday 15 December 2010 09:38:15 Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:00 AM, ailo wrote: > >> I've put up how I got it to work here: > >> http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html > >> I run 2 Delta 1010s synced up and it works well for me. > > > > I tried this setup on Puredyne 911 (based on Ubuntu Karmic, but without > > pulseaudio). > > I added the suggested lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get the > > m-audio cards to load first. > > I added the ~/.asoundrc with the suggested content. > > as has been noted, the order of the cards matters only if you insist > on referring to them by number. refer to them by name and the problem > goes away. This only helps when they don't have the same name right? Or has that changed? all the best, drew From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 15:29:37 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:29:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <201012161014.52309.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <201012161014.52309.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: <4D0A3061.7030207@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 04:14 PM, drew Roberts wrote: > On Wednesday 15 December 2010 09:38:15 Paul Davis wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:00 AM, ailo wrote: >>>> I've put up how I got it to work here: >>>> http://delta.brainiac.com/deltasync.html >>>> I run 2 Delta 1010s synced up and it works well for me. >>> >>> I tried this setup on Puredyne 911 (based on Ubuntu Karmic, but without >>> pulseaudio). >>> I added the suggested lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get the >>> m-audio cards to load first. >>> I added the ~/.asoundrc with the suggested content. >> >> as has been noted, the order of the cards matters only if you insist >> on referring to them by number. refer to them by name and the problem >> goes away. > > This only helps when they don't have the same name right? Or has that changed? It would be interesting to know how to start the chosen card not using neither name or id. How does pulseaudio do it? How does any program remember the default audio card? > > all the best, > > drew > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- ailo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Dec 16 15:33:46 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:33:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D0A3061.7030207@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <201012161014.52309.zotz@100jamz.com> <4D0A3061.7030207@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, ailo wrote: > How does pulseaudio do it? How does any program remember the default audio > card? i am not sure that *any* programs can handle this with two identical cards. ALSA doesn't provide any way to identify instance of a Foobar-100 rather than version of a Foobar-100. and ALSA doesn't do it because a lot of hardware doesn't provide it either. its normally just the name of the card. From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 15:38:21 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:38:21 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <201012161014.52309.zotz@100jamz.com> <4D0A3061.7030207@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, ailo wrote: > >> How does pulseaudio do it? How does any program remember the default audio >> card? > > i am not sure that *any* programs can handle this with two identical > cards. ALSA doesn't provide any way to identify instance of a > Foobar-100 rather than version of a Foobar-100. and ALSA > doesn't do it because a lot of hardware doesn't provide it either. > > its normally just the name of the card. I don't know this for sure but I think Windows does that determination based on figuring out which PCI slot a specific card is plugged into? Is there some way to do this in a Linux script that makes sense? - Mark From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 15:39:10 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:39:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <201012161014.52309.zotz@100jamz.com> <4D0A3061.7030207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0A329E.3050004@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 04:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, ailo wrote: > >> How does pulseaudio do it? How does any program remember the default audio >> card? > > i am not sure that *any* programs can handle this with two identical > cards. ALSA doesn't provide any way to identify instance of a > Foobar-100 rather than version of a Foobar-100. and ALSA > doesn't do it because a lot of hardware doesn't provide it either. > > its normally just the name of the card. Well, how about remembering the pci-slot for pci cards and doing something based on that? And doesn't usb class compliant cards have a way to be uniquely identified? (I seem to remember something about that) -- ailo From ailo.at at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 15:53:55 2010 From: ailo.at at gmail.com (ailo) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:53:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Multiple sound cards In-Reply-To: <4D0A329E.3050004@gmail.com> References: <4D073F7A.2090106@gmail.com> <4D08BBF8.9050907@gmail.com> <201012161014.52309.zotz@100jamz.com> <4D0A3061.7030207@gmail.com> <4D0A329E.3050004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0A3613.4000907@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 04:39 PM, ailo wrote: > On 12/16/2010 04:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM, ailo wrote: >> >>> How does pulseaudio do it? How does any program remember the default >>> audio >>> card? >> >> i am not sure that *any* programs can handle this with two identical >> cards. ALSA doesn't provide any way to identify instance of a >> Foobar-100 rather than version of a Foobar-100. and ALSA >> doesn't do it because a lot of hardware doesn't provide it either. >> >> its normally just the name of the card. > > Well, how about remembering the pci-slot for pci cards and doing > something based on that? > > And doesn't usb class compliant cards have a way to be uniquely > identified? (I seem to remember something about that) > If at all relevant, I was referring to this: # modinfo -p snd-ice1724 model:Use the given board model. enable:Enable ICE1724 soundcard. id:ID string for ICE1724 soundcard. index:Index value for ICE1724 soundcard. # modinfo -p snd-usb-audio ignore_ctl_error:Ignore errors from USB controller for mixer interfaces. device_setup:Specific device setup (if needed). async_unlink:Use async unlink mode. nrpacks:Max. number of packets per URB. pid:Product ID for the USB audio device. vid:Vendor ID for the USB audio device. enable:Enable USB audio adapter. id:ID string for the USB audio adapter. index:Index value for the USB audio adapter. -- ailo From gabrbedd at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 21:00:41 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:00:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] CDM Article: Ardour 3 Message-ID: Some of you may be interested in today's CDM article about Ardour 3: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/12/ardour-3-free-daw-is-nearly-done-and-with-midi-could-become-your-main-daw/ -gabriel From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 21:28:06 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:28:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] CDM Article: Ardour 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0A8466.5090309@gmail.com> On 12/16/2010 10:00 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > > Some of you may be interested in today's CDM article about Ardour 3: > > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/12/ardour-3-free-daw-is-nearly-done-and-with-midi-could-become-your-main-daw/ Good stuff! \r From jeremybubs at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 21:34:53 2010 From: jeremybubs at gmail.com (Jeremy) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:34:53 -0500 Subject: [LAU] CDM Article: Ardour 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > > Some of you may be interested in today's CDM article about Ardour 3: > > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/12/ardour-3-free-daw-is-nearly-done-and-with-midi-could-become-your-main-daw/ > > -gabriel > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > I enjoyed it. Looking forward to Ardour 3. 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Hmm. There is no such file as /etc/share/alsa/alsa.conf. I think you mean /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf, which does indeed have this block. -ken From ico at vt.edu Fri Dec 17 06:03:48 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:03:48 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1292565828.7627.72.camel@monsoon> Apologies for cross-posting... Another bugfix release is now up. Includes: *small but important build script fixes *resolves problem where pd-l2ork executable does not start-up properly when invoked without path-to-binary *fixed one stray consistency error *based on feedback included zexy abstractions into building process to ensure consistency until abstraction matter is resolved in a consistent way *fixed uninstall script to properly handle filenames with "$" in them *added dev package for those who wish to compile entire thing from source (use l2ork_addons tar_em_up.sh script to build tarballs; run the script without flags to get instructions on how to use it) *updated online install documentation http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Cheers! From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 12:39:49 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:39:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> Hi, Does a SSD drive need a special filesystem and/ or mount options? Regards, \r From jh at brainiac.com Fri Dec 17 13:02:16 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:02:16 -0500 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:39:49 +0100 "rosea.grammostola" wrote: > Does a SSD drive need a special filesystem and/ or mount options? No, it's configured exactly like a magnetic hard drive would be. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From hollunder at lavabit.com Fri Dec 17 13:14:48 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:14:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <1292591343-sup-94@eris> Excerpts from Joe Hartley's message of 2010-12-17 14:02:16 +0100: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:39:49 +0100 > "rosea.grammostola" wrote: > > Does a SSD drive need a special filesystem and/ or mount options? > > No, it's configured exactly like a magnetic hard drive would be. I have a little question as well: Can a laptop HD be replaced with a SSD without trouble? From jh at brainiac.com Fri Dec 17 13:20:09 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:20:09 -0500 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <1292591343-sup-94@eris> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> <1292591343-sup-94@eris> Message-ID: <20101217082009.aa2da889.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:14:48 +0100 Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > I have a little question as well: Can a laptop HD be replaced > with a SSD without trouble? Yes. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From hraj50 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 13:21:53 2010 From: hraj50 at yahoo.com (Basavaraj Hiremath) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:21:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Sound driver data conversion.. Message-ID: <150296.57996.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi,My Linux PC is connected to USB headset through USB Analyzer. I am sending pcm data to my USB headset(#cat file.wav > /dev/audio), when I look the packets in the USB analyzer, this data is different that the wave file data. Does Linux sound driver does data conversion from PCM to something else?My understanding is pcm is raw data, it should send to USB headphone to convert D/A(DAC). Could any one help on this information? Thanks,Raj Basavaraj Hiremath -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought I'd replace the drive in my ThinkPad T43, but it uses an older type drive with a very different connector, so obviously that didn't work for me. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 14:34:03 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:34:03 -0800 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <20101217082237.fdf92a32.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> <1292591343-sup-94@eris> <20101217082237.fdf92a32.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:14:48 +0100 > Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >> I have a little question as well: Can a laptop HD be replaced >> with a SSD without trouble > > A slightly longer answer: Yes, as long as the laptop supports SATA. ?I > thought I'd replace the drive in my ThinkPad T43, but it uses an older > type drive with a very different connector, so obviously that didn't work > for me. I had a Compaq laptop that looked like it had a different connector. Turned out that Compaq attaced a different connector to the SATA port before inserting it into the machine's drive port. Possibly your ThinkPad is similar? - Mark From faber at faberman.de Fri Dec 17 14:43:25 2010 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:43:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0B770D.4000907@faberman.de> On 12/17/10 13:39, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Does a SSD drive need a special filesystem and/ or mount options? If you want to use all features - yes: - You are restricted to ext4 and btrfs for the moment as they are the only file systems that can issue the TRIM command - you have to run the SATA controller in AHCI mode to be able to support TRIM (and NCQ etc.) - you should align your partitions to the block size of the SSD and - tell your FS that it is running on a SSD ('ssd' mount option for btrfs, don't know about ext4). Of course you use your SSD as you would do with a HDD, but the performance will degrade. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From faber at faberman.de Fri Dec 17 14:44:43 2010 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:44:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <4D0B770D.4000907@faberman.de> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <4D0B770D.4000907@faberman.de> Message-ID: <4D0B775B.7020705@faberman.de> On 12/17/10 15:43, Florian Faber wrote: > On 12/17/10 13:39, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Of course you use your SSD as you would do with a HDD, but the 'can use' > performance will degrade. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From schivmeister at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 14:46:06 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:46:06 +0800 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> <1292591343-sup-94@eris> <20101217082237.fdf92a32.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On 17 December 2010 22:34, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: >> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:14:48 +0100 >> Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >>> I have a little question as well: Can a laptop HD be replaced >>> with a SSD without trouble >> >> A slightly longer answer: Yes, as long as the laptop supports SATA. ?I >> thought I'd replace the drive in my ThinkPad T43, but it uses an older >> type drive with a very different connector, so obviously that didn't work >> for me. > > I had a Compaq laptop that looked like it had a different connector. > Turned out that Compaq attaced a different connector to the SATA port > before inserting it into the machine's drive port. Possibly your > ThinkPad is similar? Laptops either have SATA or IDE. Both types of connections are of a different form factor compared to their 3.5" counterparts. However, on first look, the SATA one would give you the impression that you can't just buy another disk and put it in there. That's because there's an extra attachment to the existing disk that needs to be taken out and slotted onto the new one. I don't know whether this has been mentioned yet, but you could get a CompactFlash card and an adapter to mimic solid state storage. You have to look out for good performance cards, though. They're much, much cheaper (inclusive of the cost of the adapter) than a full SSD, and not so far away in speed. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=compactflash+ssd -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From faber at faberman.de Fri Dec 17 14:47:57 2010 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:47:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> <1292591343-sup-94@eris> <20101217082237.fdf92a32.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <4D0B781D.90308@faberman.de> On 12/17/10 15:46, Ray Rashif wrote: >> I had a Compaq laptop that looked like it had a different connector. >> Turned out that Compaq attaced a different connector to the SATA port >> before inserting it into the machine's drive port. Possibly your >> ThinkPad is similar? > Laptops either have SATA or IDE. Both types of connections are of a > different form factor compared to their 3.5" counterparts. That is not correct. One of the main advantages of the SATA connectors is that the power and data connectors are identical for 2.5" and 3.5" drives. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 14:51:20 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:51:20 -0800 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> <1292591343-sup-94@eris> <20101217082237.fdf92a32.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 17 December 2010 22:34, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: >>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:14:48 +0100 >>> Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >>>> I have a little question as well: Can a laptop HD be replaced >>>> with a SSD without trouble >>> >>> A slightly longer answer: Yes, as long as the laptop supports SATA. ?I >>> thought I'd replace the drive in my ThinkPad T43, but it uses an older >>> type drive with a very different connector, so obviously that didn't work >>> for me. >> >> I had a Compaq laptop that looked like it had a different connector. >> Turned out that Compaq attaced a different connector to the SATA port >> before inserting it into the machine's drive port. Possibly your >> ThinkPad is similar? > > Laptops either have SATA or IDE. Both types of connections are of a > different form factor compared to their 3.5" counterparts. However, on > first look, the SATA one would give you the impression that you can't > just buy another disk and put it in there. That's because there's an > extra attachment to the existing disk that needs to be taken out and > slotted onto the new one. So we're in agreement, right? - Mark From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:01:30 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:01:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table Message-ID: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Hi, Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? Thanks in advance, \r From jh at brainiac.com Fri Dec 17 15:02:25 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:02:25 -0500 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <4D0B770D.4000907@faberman.de> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <4D0B770D.4000907@faberman.de> Message-ID: <20101217100225.582366d3.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:43:25 +0100 Florian Faber wrote: > If you want to use all features - yes: > > - You are restricted to ext4 and btrfs for the moment as they are the > only file systems that can issue the TRIM command > - you have to run the SATA controller in AHCI mode to be able to support > TRIM (and NCQ etc.) > - you should align your partitions to the block size of the SSD and > - tell your FS that it is running on a SSD ('ssd' mount option for > btrfs, don't know about ext4). Clearly I have more research to do - thanks for the information. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From countfuzzball at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:07:25 2010 From: countfuzzball at gmail.com (Andrew C) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:07:25 +0000 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, I've never bothered with a seperate /home partition (then again, I've never had to reinstall linux). Just FYI, a seperate partition for audio is quite different from a different hard disk for audio. A partition is on the same disk, so the read/write speed would be exactly the same if you didn't have audio on a different partition. Andrew. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? > > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? > > Thanks in advance, > > \r > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:08:05 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:08:05 -0800 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:01 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? > > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? > > Thanks in advance, > > \r I don't think /home matters much. My /audio partitions are all on different hard drives. Putting audio on the system hard drive in a different partition won't likely make too much of a difference. It's still the same drive. - Mark From gabrbedd at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:09:29 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:09:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? Yes. Makes it easier to reinstall the OS without jacking up my files. > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? I don't know... but I doubt it. -gabriel From gabrbedd at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:13:43 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:13:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? ...but then again, if the dedicated partition has a FS with no journaling... then you probably will see a performance boost. -gabriel From faber at faberman.de Fri Dec 17 15:18:43 2010 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:18:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0B7F53.6010100@faberman.de> On 12/17/10 16:01, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? You can easily mess your system up by filling the file system, depending on the use case scenario it might be a good idea to have media data on a separate partition or drive. Many file systems offer a reservoir of blocks for the root user to avoid a totally unusable system, but most services will die. On machines that have to run reliably (servers, recording, playback) I usually have a dedicated system partition. > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? Again it depends on your use case. For big recordings I create new filesystems for the media data everytime. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From hollunder at lavabit.com Fri Dec 17 15:19:01 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:19:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1292598940-sup-5011@eris> Excerpts from rosea.grammostola's message of 2010-12-17 16:01:30 +0100: > Hi, > > > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? > > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? > > Thanks in advance, > > \r I did have one once but after re-install I ran into issues if I remember correctly. It was a rather long time ago on ubuntu. The issues may have been related to incompatible syntax of config files or config files that simply didn't apply to the system anymore (think changed paths etc.). I don't think it's necessary to keep /home on a separate partition, but it's a dir that should be backed up. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:19:30 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:19:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0B7F82.4020507@gmail.com> On 12/17/2010 04:08 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:01 AM, rosea.grammostola > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? >> >> Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> \r >> > I don't think /home matters much. > > My /audio partitions are all on different hard drives. Putting audio > on the system hard drive in a different partition won't likely make > too much of a difference. It's still the same drive. > Ok, and a special audio disk, you just mount it on /mnt/audio ? \r From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:21:56 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:21:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <1292598940-sup-5011@eris> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> <1292598940-sup-5011@eris> Message-ID: <4D0B8014.9090207@gmail.com> On 12/17/2010 04:19 PM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Excerpts from rosea.grammostola's message of 2010-12-17 16:01:30 +0100: > >> Hi, >> >> >> Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? >> >> Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> \r >> > I did have one once but after re-install I ran into issues if I > remember correctly. It was a rather long time ago on ubuntu. The issues > may have been related to incompatible syntax of config files or config > files that simply didn't apply to the system anymore (think changed > paths etc.). I > Right. You should remove the hidden files and folders, before installing and especially before upgrading I think. \r From arnold at arnoldarts.de Fri Dec 17 15:25:09 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:25:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012171625.13671.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Friday 17 December 2010 15:46:06 Ray Rashif wrote: > On 17 December 2010 22:34, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:14:48 +0100 > >> > >> Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > >>> I have a little question as well: Can a laptop HD be replaced > >>> with a SSD without trouble > >> > >> A slightly longer answer: Yes, as long as the laptop supports SATA. I > >> thought I'd replace the drive in my ThinkPad T43, but it uses an older > >> type drive with a very different connector, so obviously that didn't > >> work for me. > > > > I had a Compaq laptop that looked like it had a different connector. > > Turned out that Compaq attaced a different connector to the SATA port > > before inserting it into the machine's drive port. Possibly your > > ThinkPad is similar? > > Laptops either have SATA or IDE. Both types of connections are of a > different form factor compared to their 3.5" counterparts. Nope, sata is sata is sata. Its standard. Not only the shape of the connector is the same for all 2.5" and 3.5" disks, the position with respect to the lower left edge of the drive (looking at the connector) is the same too. Pretty neat for exchanging disks without the need for a tray... There could be issues when the 3.5" disk wants 12V while the adaptor meant for 2.5" disks via usb only has 5V... Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From jostein at vait.se Fri Dec 17 15:29:53 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:29:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012171629.54058.jostein@vait.se> fredag 17 december 2010 16.01.30 skrev rosea.grammostola: > Hi, > > > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? > > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? A partition by itself will not increase the performance unless you make sure that the home partition is on the outer part of the HD where the speed is higher AFAIK and can imagine. But the /home partition still have to compete with the other partitions on that one HD when it comes to traffic. Personally, I use a whole HD dedicated to the /home partition and I have 8 GB of memory. I have not tested how far I can go before everything melts down, but think that I "have enough" HD speed. Jostein From jh at brainiac.com Fri Dec 17 15:33:30 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:33:30 -0500 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101217103330.00645f1f.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:01:30 +0100 "rosea.grammostola" wrote: > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? Yes. I perform OD updates on my computers by having separate partitions for each release's root partition so that if it's not behaving properly, I can always boot the previous version, and my /home partition is not affected. > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? My audio is written to a partition that is on a separate drive than the system partitions. It happens to be an SSD and the partition is the full drive. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From jh at brainiac.com Fri Dec 17 15:35:14 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:35:14 -0500 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> <1292591343-sup-94@eris> <20101217082237.fdf92a32.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20101217103514.a001d847.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:34:03 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: > > I thought I'd replace the drive in my ThinkPad T43, but it uses an older > > type drive with a very different connector, so obviously that didn't work > > for me. > > I had a Compaq laptop that looked like it had a different connector. > Turned out that Compaq attaced a different connector to the SATA port > before inserting it into the machine's drive port. Possibly your > ThinkPad is similar? No, my T43 uses an IDE drive. I was undercaffeinated and couldn't remember the acronym at that time of the morning! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 15:48:59 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:48:59 -0800 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7F82.4020507@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> <4D0B7F82.4020507@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:19 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On 12/17/2010 04:08 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:01 AM, rosea.grammostola >> ?wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? >>> >>> Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> \r >>> >> >> I don't think /home matters much. >> >> My /audio partitions are all on different hard drives. Putting audio >> on the system hard drive in a different partition won't likely make >> too much of a difference. It's still the same drive. >> > > Ok, and a special audio disk, you just mount it on /mnt/audio ? I mount it at /audio but that's just a personal preference. Actually, I have 3 external audio drives, 1394-based. My system mounts as /audio/audio1/ /audio/audio2/ /audio/audio3/ Ardour handles the sort of 'RAID' aspects of using the drives automatically, throwing some audio files on what ever drive it wants to to balance loading. My drives are old and therefore slow. They all run around 30-40MB/S over 1394. I think with a newer system you could use a single high-speed SATA drive which will get you > 100MB/S on a single drive and there wouldn't be much value in using the Ardour RAID stuff which causes the complication of when you want to back up a session you have to get it from 3 places. If I did that I'd personally go with a small, fast SATA audio drive, 200-300MB probably, and then build some sort of backup strategy using rsync. That's what I currently do with VMWare isntances. I have two 500GB drives running RAID0 for speed where I run 4 copies of Windows. I do daily rsync backups from RAID0 to a 3-drive RAID1for safety. Once a month I use rsync to backup the RAID1 to a RAID1 on a different computer. I don't like losing data. - Mark - Mark From arnold at arnoldarts.de Fri Dec 17 16:02:24 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:02:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012171702.28685.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Hi, On Friday 17 December 2010 16:01:30 rosea.grammostola wrote: > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? Yes. 1) On my new systems, my home is encrypted. 2) It _really_ helps when you re-install your system. 3) You will do the same after a filled-up home killed your machine. 4) You will also add a special partition for /usr once /usr/tmp went berserk and killed your machine... > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? If the audio-data is on the same disk as other stuff is, performance will hit you when the other stuff is accessed while you do audio. That is if it shares the physical disk with the system-partition, you might get problems when starting firefox (for example). If you just start up your machine with all the apps you need for example for recording a live-show, the performance degradation will be less if no big system-transactions happen during recording. Again a special partition helps when the system barfs and needs re-install. But do the distinction between partitions and disks. And then look at lvm which allows partitions to move (and mirror and snapshot and stripe) from one hard-disk to the next. lvm _really_ helps when you realize that 1TB is not enough and you want to move your data to that new 3TB disk you just bought. Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From f.rech at yahoo.fr Fri Dec 17 16:57:20 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:57:20 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0B9670.2080403@yahoo.fr> rosea.grammostola a ?crit : > Hi, > > > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? > > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? > > Thanks in advance, > > \r > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > AFAIK one disk for system and another disk when you record your sounds, and ardour sessions is a good way to do it, in terms of disk access. Not sure if it's the same with different partitions ? From schivmeister at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 17:24:56 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 01:24:56 +0800 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <201012171625.13671.arnold@arnoldarts.de> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <201012171625.13671.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: On 17 December 2010 23:25, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Friday 17 December 2010 15:46:06 Ray Rashif wrote: >> On 17 December 2010 22:34, Mark Knecht wrote: >> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: >> >> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:14:48 +0100 >> >> >> >> Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >> >>> I have a little question as well: Can a laptop HD be replaced >> >>> with a SSD without trouble >> >> >> >> A slightly longer answer: Yes, as long as the laptop supports SATA. ?I >> >> thought I'd replace the drive in my ThinkPad T43, but it uses an older >> >> type drive with a very different connector, so obviously that didn't >> >> work for me. >> > >> > I had a Compaq laptop that looked like it had a different connector. >> > Turned out that Compaq attaced a different connector to the SATA port >> > before inserting it into the machine's drive port. Possibly your >> > ThinkPad is similar? >> >> Laptops either have SATA or IDE. Both types of connections are of a >> different form factor compared to their 3.5" counterparts. > > Nope, sata is sata is sata. Its standard. Not only the shape of the connector > is the same for all 2.5" and 3.5" disks, the position with respect to the > lower left edge of the drive (looking at the connector) is the same too. > Pretty neat for exchanging disks without the need for a tray... > > There could be issues when the 3.5" disk wants 12V while the adaptor meant for > 2.5" disks via usb only has 5V... Uhmm..I was refering to the fact that you can't put a 3.5 there. You cannot slot the extra attachment onto the 3.5 and expect to drop it in. You can, however, plug in the 2.5 to the desktop using the SATA cables, AFTER you take off the attachment meant for the laptop, enclosed in a bay/tray. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From schivmeister at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 17:54:29 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 01:54:29 +0800 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 17 December 2010 23:01, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? Yes and no. If this 'audio' partition is created with a filesystem suitable for handling a lot of medium-sized files (samples) and sometimes large ones (long recordings), then there is a little improvement. For eg. on Windows, NTFS with an allocation unit size of 64K, I/O can be more reliable since access is faster than going through 4K clusters. HFS+ can scale very well, so on a Mac I keep everything at that. On Linux, you may benefit equally using a filesystem such as ReiserFS, but don't quote me on this. Similarly, your /var can use XFS, and /home EXT4. I don't know how BTRFS scales - never used it. With all that said, the difference is still negligible. The only real improvement gained is from using a separate hard disk where you save your projects, and where your audio work files like samples are stored. Internal disks should definitely be superior, but external via USB/FireWire still helps. The reason is obvious; your disks spin independently. I don't like to partition myself because I see no real benefit. I just organise it in such a way that my 'system' partition remains independent from the 'data' partition. As such, I only allocate a small portion to the system, and the rest to the data. Currently on the laptop that I have, it's like: 60 GB - NTFS, default allocation, Windows system 128 GB - NTFS, 64K allocation, shared data 40 GB - EXT4, defaults, Linux system Don't mind the Windows, this is a borrowed machine. My own laptop had only 1 40GB system partition and the rest of the 320GB for data, both EXT4. I also like to symlink folders in $HOME from the data partition (even a ~/.bin with my personal executables), so essentially I do not use $HOME for permanent storage. I copy configs periodically to a UFD. I never reinstall my system so I don't particularly have any need for $HOME backups. Storing them on a UFD only serves the purpose of new installations on different machines. I recently got myself a WD Passport Elite 500GB, formatted it to NTFS w/ default allocation (because 64K causes hiccups on reads via USB from what I observe), and the r/w performance is great. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 17 20:14:47 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:14:47 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0BC4B7.8080104@autostatic.com> On 12/17/2010 04:01 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? Yes I have. I can second that it's easier when upgrading your OS and I can second that performance-wise I get the idea that it works better (my home partition has a full separate drive for itself). Best, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 17 20:21:25 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:21:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B8014.9090207@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> <1292598940-sup-5011@eris> <4D0B8014.9090207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0BC645.1000606@autostatic.com> On 12/17/2010 04:21 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Right. You should remove the hidden files and folders, before installing > and especially before upgrading I think. You could do that but then you will loose a lot of of config files and _directories_ that belong to audio applications ;) Best, Jeremy From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Dec 17 21:02:33 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:02:33 +0000 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0BC645.1000606@autostatic.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> <1292598940-sup-5011@eris> <4D0B8014.9090207@gmail.com> <4D0BC645.1000606@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <20101217210233.367eafde@debian> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:21:25 +0100 Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/17/2010 04:21 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > Right. You should remove the hidden files and folders, before installing > > and especially before upgrading I think. > > You could do that but then you will loose a lot of of config files and > _directories_ that belong to audio applications ;) > > Best, > > Jeremy I have / and /home on separate partitions on the same drive, but all audio files on a different drive. seems to work for me :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 21:19:12 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:19:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] chordata clam repo Message-ID: <4D0BD3D0.2090209@gmail.com> Hi, Is there a CLAM repo for ubuntu lucid with chordata in it? \r From nielsmayer at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 02:51:47 2010 From: nielsmayer at gmail.com (Niels Mayer) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:51:47 -0800 Subject: [LAU] SSD for audio In-Reply-To: <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4CCA8EDF.3010106@gmail.com> <20101108112410.3c67046c.jh@brainiac.com> <4CF5439E.4030602@gmail.com> <201011302006.36706.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <20101130142036.f81f1cc6.jh@brainiac.com> <4D0B5A15.1040005@gmail.com> <20101217080216.cd922477.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:39:49 +0100 > "rosea.grammostola" wrote: >> Does a SSD drive need a special filesystem and/ or mount options? > > No, it's configured exactly like a magnetic hard drive would be. Except if you're using BTRFS, like on the Meego, which is optimized for SSDs: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Is_Btrfs_optimized_for_SSD.3F Is Btrfs optimized for SSD? There are some optimizations for SSD drives, and you can enable them by mounting with -o ssd. As of 2.6.31-rc1, this mount option will be enabled if Btrfs is able to detect non-rotating storage. SSD is going to be a big part of future storage, and the Btrfs developers plan on tuning for it heavily. See also http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=btrfs_ssd_mode&num=1 -- Niels http://nielsmayer.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Dec 18 03:17:37 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:17:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. Message-ID: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> Sad news tonight, Captain Beefheart died. Damn. From ken at restivo.org Sat Dec 18 03:42:55 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:42:55 -0800 Subject: [LAU] controllerism on linux In-Reply-To: <20101127175724.4e3749d4@gmail.com> References: <20101127175724.4e3749d4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101218034255.GA19501@aieee.restivo.org> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 05:57:24PM +0100, Renato wrote: > Hi all, > any ideas/thoughts on how one would go about to make something similar > to this on linux? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2McDeSKiOU > > I'm speaking of the software side, i.e. supposing you have some midi > knobs faders and buttons > > There's no single thing he does that's rocket science, the hard part > IMHO is how to connect it all together > > so what approach would you take > If you're interested in seeing the guy live, he's playing tomorrow night in San Francisco, along with several other controllerists, apparently, see below. -ken ----------- Rich Trapani sent a message to the members of LoveTech 12/18: Moldover, Henry Strange, Ribotto, William Light, Exillon. Subject: Sooo excited for tomorrow night! Set Times + Check out the new flyer showcasing two of the most incredible instruments ever crafted - true Weapons of Bass Destruction!: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6249655&l=4817e16ba7&id=692776668 Dance your ass off to incredible beats and engaging performances delivered through the most ass-kickingly awesome controllers known to mankind! Witness the DanceTech Spy Infiltration! Participate with your voice and hands to create incredible interactive visuals! LINEUP: 9-9:20 CinemaJockey & VocalChaosLab Interactive Art PlayShops 9:20-10 EXILLON - http://www.facebook.com/l/a37baCLOdR90zocANvwzgmUB3WA;nollixe.com/ 10-11 WILLIAM LIGHT - http://www.facebook.com/l/a37bax12mSLzEtSBoGqs_oCZG8w;soundcloud.com/visinin 11-12 MOLDOVER - http://www.facebook.com/l/a37ba8uezixfC2fMb8jOUwXthAg;www.moldover.com/ 12-1 HENRY STRANGE - http://www.facebook.com/l/a37baNZZHelKRaP6XHq-UC0gNIw;www.henrystrange.com/ (LA) 1-2 RIBOTTO - http://www.facebook.com/l/a37bar2HNNFvJjbd7kkh0SDdcGw;www.ribotto.com/ NEXT UP: January 22: LoveTech's 2 Year Anniversary! February 26: World's First Controllerist Championship Battle! Controllerism Call to Arms! Moldover & Henry will be wielding two of the most ass-kickingly awesome controllers known to mankind in this warm-up round for the World's First Controllerist Battle at February's LoveTech. Contestants - Training begins NOW! :D HotPress: Also check out some of this awesome press we just got in SFWeekly: http://www.facebook.com/l/a37bagfGhAd9UdM7laL0qtMSJBA;www.sfweekly.com/events/lovetech-2025895/ SFMusicTechSummit: And if you missed our Panel on Live Electronic Musicianship at the SF Music Tech Summit, you can listen to it here: http://www.facebook.com/l/a37ba_J54sxcX3yBat7F0E46ZLA;www.archive.org/details/LiveElectronicMusicianship Looking forward to seeing you soon! Cheers, Rich DDT http://www.facebook.com/l/a37bavbv5LjFCotsqdgLZ5EOldQ;LoveTechSF.com From looplog at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 04:34:59 2010 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:34:59 +0900 Subject: [LAU] chordata clam repo In-Reply-To: <4D0BD3D0.2090209@gmail.com> References: <4D0BD3D0.2090209@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:19 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > > Is there a CLAM repo for ubuntu lucid with chordata in it? > > > \r Chordata in the CLAM karmic repo seems to install fine under lucid, though I haven't tested it thoroughly. -michael From nielsmayer at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 04:49:44 2010 From: nielsmayer at gmail.com (Niels Mayer) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:49:44 -0800 Subject: [LAU] sunvox for n900? nice handheld music maker Message-ID: This looks like an interesting handheld synth/music thing for the Nokia N900. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwqflVX5oNo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61040 gives the clue to finding it. Here's my installation, pasted from the xterm/ssh-session to the n900 :-) ............................ ~ $ wget http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/sunvox.zip --20:30:01-- http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/sunvox.zip => `sunvox.zip' Resolving www.warmplace.ru... 212.23.81.73 Connecting to www.warmplace.ru|212.23.81.73|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 4,070,532 (3.9M) [application/zip] 100%[====================================>] 4,070,532 19.61K/s ETA 00:00 20:32:23 (28.38 KB/s) - `sunvox.zip' saved [4070532/4070532] ~ $ unzip -l sunvox.zip Archive: sunvox.zip Length Date Time Name --------- ---------- ----- ---- 0 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/ 5033 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/license.txt 8678 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/changelog.txt 0 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/ 0 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/ 809 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/folder_back.gif 29454 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/logo2010.png 848 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/back_l.gif 689 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/back_menu.png 75 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/bbanner.gif 809 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/back_menu.gif 288 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/styles.css 1307 12-13-2010 06:58 docs/manual/manual_files/back_menu2.gif 117348 12-13-2010 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examples/simple_examples/bass.sunvox 2162 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/spectravoice.sunvox 1927 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/slide_to_note.sunvox 1903 04-03-2010 05:46 examples/simple_examples/multisynth.sunvox 2368 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/loop.sunvox 2151 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/flanger.sunvox 1325 12-07-2010 09:17 examples/simple_examples/endless_song2.sunvox 1730 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/velocity_slide.sunvox 1927 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/slide_up_down.sunvox 1049 07-18-2009 02:46 examples/simple_examples/std_effect_cut.sunvox 2397 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/distortion_bits.sunvox 2327 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/fm.sunvox 3174 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/filter_impulse.sunvox 3197 02-21-2009 21:23 examples/simple_examples/phase_modulation.sunvox 852 07-18-2009 02:54 examples/simple_examples/std_effect_retrig.sunvox 2309 03-05-2009 23:18 examples/simple_examples/std_effect_arpeggio.sunvox 2439 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/strings.sunvox 2172 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/beat_filter2.sunvox 7213 10-13-2008 05:17 examples/simple_examples/voice.sunvox 2413 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/delay2.sunvox 2282 12-07-2010 09:14 examples/simple_examples/filter_lfo.sunvox 9918 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/techno.sunvox 1929 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/reverb.sunvox 2150 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/filter.sunvox 2099 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/lfo.sunvox 3174 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/filter_impulse2.sunvox 1927 08-25-2008 07:55 examples/simple_examples/speed_shuffle.sunvox 1049 07-18-2009 02:51 examples/simple_examples/std_effect_delay.sunvox 1075 07-18-2009 07:53 examples/simple_examples/std_effect_retrig2.sunvox 2736 10-04-2009 00:01 examples/simple_examples/endless_song.sunvox 3197 08-25-2008 07:55 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Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: libgles1 libgles1-sgx-img 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 16 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 203kB of archives. After this operation, 508kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ libgles1-sgx-img 0.20100611.6+0m5 [198kB] Get:2 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ libgles1 0.20100611.6+0m5 [5474B] Fetched 203kB in 2s (76.6kB/s) Selecting previously deselected package libgles1-sgx-img. (Reading database ... 29857 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libgles1-sgx-img (from .../libgles1-sgx-img_0.20100611.6+0m5_armel.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package libgles1. Unpacking libgles1 (from .../libgles1_0.20100611.6+0m5_armel.deb) ... Setting up libgles1-sgx-img (0.20100611.6+0m5) ... Setting up libgles1 (0.20100611.6+0m5) ... Setting up sunvox (1.6) ... ............................... Niels http://nielsmayer.com PS: damnit.. this is cool and i don't have time for another distraction :-) From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Dec 18 07:01:37 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:01:37 -1000 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0C5C51.3050305@hawaii.rr.com> rosea.grammostola wrote: > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? Yes. Have /home on a completely separate drive. Did it more for disk space, and also to help prevent a death of the main drive also taking my data with it. > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? I would think it would help by keeping disk seeks and such to a minimum; the drive heads would only be dealing with your audio files, not getting moved off to somewhere else because some non-audio program wanted to read or write something on the same disk. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Dec 18 07:19:29 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:19:29 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Some fun musical gifts I found Message-ID: <4D0C6081.1080609@hawaii.rr.com> Found these while I was poking around the interwebs: Electronic Rock Guitar Shirt http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/interactive/c498/ Electronic Music Synthesizer Shirt http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/interactive/e1aa/ Electronic Drum Kit Shirt http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/interactive/ac0b/ The first two come with their own little retro-style, battery-powered amps you clip onto your pants. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Dec 18 07:23:07 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:23:07 -1000 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> References: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D0C615B.7070808@hawaii.rr.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Sad news tonight, Captain Beefheart died. > > Damn. Age and illness bite us all. Now's the time to go back and listen to his music again! -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From jeremybubs at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 07:44:39 2010 From: jeremybubs at gmail.com (Jeremy) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 02:44:39 -0500 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > > > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? > Yes, so I can encrypt it and so that I can easily reinstall the system, and/or move my personal files to another computer easily. But encrypting probably hurts disk performance somewhat, so I wouldn't expect that will be useful for audio uses. 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Did it more for disk > space, and also to help prevent a death of the main drive also taking my > data with it. > > > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? > > I would think it would help by keeping disk seeks and such to a minimum; > the drive heads would only be dealing with your audio files, not getting > moved off to somewhere else because some non-audio program wanted to > read or write something on the same disk. When your system is a bit optimized for audio usage, the amount of non-audio hdd-access is very low during recordings/audio-usage. And the disk-seeks resulting from that are nothing compared to the seeking between different audio-segments when playing an ardour-session with more then just one mono- track. Really reducing disk-seek is only possible when a stripped down system records the input directly to a multi-track file. The same with multiple single-track files already results in much more disk-seeks... Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From allcoms at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 09:17:54 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:17:54 +0000 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: <4D0C615B.7070808@hawaii.rr.com> References: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> <4D0C615B.7070808@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: Sob! If John Peel was still around this would've totally devastated him and we would've had at least one full show in dedication. IMO 1967 was the best year ever for groundbreaking rock and pop, well, best year for music ever and Beefhearts debut stands out as one of the best albums of that year. All together now.. EeeeeeeeLeeeeeeKTRIiiiiiiiCITY!!!! God rest your crazy hats DVV! On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:23 AM, david wrote: > Dave Phillips wrote: > > Sad news tonight, Captain Beefheart died. >> >> Damn. >> > > Age and illness bite us all. Now's the time to go back and listen to his > music again! > > -- > David > gnome at hawaii.rr.com > authenticity, honesty, community > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arve.barsnes at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 09:59:37 2010 From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:59:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: References: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> <4D0C615B.7070808@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: What a sad day.... I will now commence listening through as many of his albums as I can today. On 18 December 2010 10:17, allcoms wrote: > Sob! > > If John Peel was still around this would've totally devastated him and we > would've had at least one full show in dedication. > > IMO 1967 was the best year ever for groundbreaking rock and pop, well, best > year for music ever and Beefhearts debut stands out as one of the best > albums of that year. All together now.. > > EeeeeeeeLeeeeeeKTRIiiiiiiiCITY!!!! > > God rest your crazy hats DVV! > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:23 AM, david wrote: >> >> Dave Phillips wrote: >> >>> Sad news tonight, Captain Beefheart died. >>> >>> Damn. >> >> Age and illness bite us all. Now's the time to go back and listen to his >> music again! >> >> -- >> David >> gnome at hawaii.rr.com >> authenticity, honesty, community >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Dec 18 11:46:29 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:46:29 -0500 Subject: [LAU] sunvox for n900? nice handheld music maker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0C9F15.3080303@woh.rr.com> Greetings, If you just want the link: http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ Interesting little application. Runs on desktop pc too, IIRC. Best, dp From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Dec 18 12:59:54 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:59:54 +0000 Subject: [LAU] sunvox for n900? nice handheld music maker In-Reply-To: <4D0C9F15.3080303@woh.rr.com> References: <4D0C9F15.3080303@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20101218125954.46ec6697@debian> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:46:29 -0500 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings, > > If you just want the link: > > http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ > > Interesting little application. Runs on desktop pc too, IIRC. > > Best, > > dp > Yes. Think I'll have to investigate this :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Dec 18 13:20:30 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:20:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Music made with linux: Modlys - Glade jul, dejlige jul In-Reply-To: References: <4D055074.7080203@email.dk> Message-ID: <20101218132030.0fe2fb5e@debian> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:03:07 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Hi > > > > 3rd sunday of advent! I've made a new version (new melody and music) of the > > danish christmas carol "Glade jul, dejlige jul". > > > > http://music.modlys.dk/track/glade-jul-dejlige-jul > > http://atte.dk/download/glade_jul_dejlige_jul.mp3 > > > > This time it's a little different, basically a pop tune with a touch of > > chiptune... > > I must say that I preferred the opening, which really had a fantastic > tone to it in every way. I very much like the use of the (presumably) > delay-enriched keyboard figure - it provides the same sort of quality > that The Edge does in U2's Joshua Tree or more recently The Temper > Trap can be heard using, though with much subtlety. > > But even if I didn't love the drums arriving, the production quality > (given the genre) is really great. I'd love to hear a longer, moody > and dark piece that develops the opening without the drums and/or a > different version that uses more organic sounding percussion in place > of the syndrums. Djembes, shakers, maybe some dumbek, that kind of > thing. The somewhat restrained keyboard solo toward the end also > offered hints of something bigger, much, much bigger. > > Always good to hear talent at work. Agree with Paul here. Liked the song, and the early part, but thought the drums were too 'in your face' - just my personal opinion of course. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From ico at vt.edu Sat Dec 18 14:29:12 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:29:12 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available In-Reply-To: <1292565828.7627.72.camel@monsoon> References: <1292565828.7627.72.camel@monsoon> Message-ID: <1292682552.24024.2.camel@monsoon> 20101217 snapshot fixes: *implemented Jonathan Wilkes' patch for select object that allows mixed arguments (symbols and floats) *further fixes to the build script *nlet highlighting should not be brought to front as that causes weird graphical glitches with "to front/back" tool http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 From jh at brainiac.com Sat Dec 18 14:38:37 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:38:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: References: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> <4D0C615B.7070808@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20101218093837.b8ac8180.jh@brainiac.com> Tonight's Eargazm netcast was already planned to mark Frank Zappa's birthday - it'll be expanded to honor Captain Beefheart as well. 6-10 PM EST http://eargazm.com The Linux connection is that we use Linux and Liquidsoap to do our streaming! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From robertlazarski at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 14:58:01 2010 From: robertlazarski at gmail.com (robert lazarski) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:58:01 -0300 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: <20101218093837.b8ac8180.jh@brainiac.com> References: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> <4D0C615B.7070808@hawaii.rr.com> <20101218093837.b8ac8180.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: > Tonight's Eargazm netcast was already planned to mark Frank Zappa's > birthday - it'll be expanded to honor Captain Beefheart as well. > 6-10 PM EST ?http://eargazm.com > > The Linux connection is that we use Linux and Liquidsoap to do our > streaming! > Ah I forgot about bongo fury, where they played together. I'll give it a listen today. Never heard of eargazm, might check it out tonite. From jackhildwine at cox.net Sat Dec 18 16:45:12 2010 From: jackhildwine at cox.net (Jack Hildwine) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:45:12 -0700 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And don't forget Willie the Pimp from the Hot Rats album. Hoy Hoy -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces at lists.linuxaudio.org [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces at lists.linuxaudio.org] On Behalf Of robert lazarski Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:58 AM To: Joe Hartley Cc: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: Re: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Joe Hartley wrote: > Tonight's Eargazm netcast was already planned to mark Frank Zappa's > birthday - it'll be expanded to honor Captain Beefheart as well. > 6-10 PM EST ?http://eargazm.com > > The Linux connection is that we use Linux and Liquidsoap to do our > streaming! > Ah I forgot about bongo fury, where they played together. I'll give it a listen today. Never heard of eargazm, might check it out tonite. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From jh at brainiac.com Sat Dec 18 17:00:07 2010 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:00:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101218120007.0cf849e8.jh@brainiac.com> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:45:12 -0700 "Jack Hildwine" wrote: > And don't forget Willie the Pimp from the Hot Rats album. Floozies in the lobby love the way I sell HOT MEAT HOT RATS HOT CATS HOT RITZ HOT ROOTS HOT SOOTS Oh yeah, that'll be there. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From jeremy at autostatic.com Sat Dec 18 18:12:23 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:12:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: <20101218120007.0cf849e8.jh@brainiac.com> References: <20101218120007.0cf849e8.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <4D0CF987.7000007@autostatic.com> On 12/18/2010 06:00 PM, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:45:12 -0700 > "Jack Hildwine" wrote: > >> And don't forget Willie the Pimp from the Hot Rats album. > > Floozies in the lobby love the way I sell > > HOT MEAT > HOT RATS > HOT CATS > HOT RITZ > HOT ROOTS > HOT SOOTS > > Oh yeah, that'll be there. > I'm going to spin that record right away as I don't have any Beefheart on vinyl yet. Best, Jeremy From steiner at block4.com Sat Dec 18 18:28:21 2010 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:28:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> References: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D0CFD45.7010309@block4.com> On 18.12.2010 04:17, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Sad news tonight, Captain Beefheart died. > > Damn. > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > BBC doku, narrated by John Peel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M5YE_a4B1U Cheers, Malte -- ---- media art + development http://www.block4.com From atte at email.dk Sat Dec 18 23:00:50 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 00:00:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= Message-ID: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> Hi Today it's the 4th sunday of advent. I've made a new version of the danish christmas carol "en rose s? jeg skyde". It might require a bit more patience than the latest handful of tunes I did, hope you reset your expectations and enjoy! http://music.modlys.dk/track/en-rose-s-jeg-skyde http://atte.dk/download/en_rose_saa_jeg_skyde.mp3 -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Sat Dec 18 23:41:09 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 00:41:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> Message-ID: Hello Atte! Thanks for this. It was enjoyable music. I liked the mixture of the pd in the background and the bass. They made up a nice union, very comforting and made up for each other. Pitty, that now the weekly songs stop. :-) Thanks for sharing! Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From atte at email.dk Sat Dec 18 23:52:06 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 00:52:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D0D4926.8040501@email.dk> On 2010-12-19 00:41, Julien Claassen wrote: > Thanks for this. It was enjoyable music. I liked the mixture of the pd > in the background and the bass. They made up a nice union, very > comforting and made up for each other. Thanks! There are actually two bass lines (the second one only plays in the middle with-beat section). BTW: Most of the atmosphere is paulstretch on some random audio I had on my drive, and then run through some automated (hand played) filters and delays and stuff... > Pitty, that now the weekly songs > stop. :-) :-) You're right. But there are other stuff in the pipeline... Thanks for listening anyways! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From szajmi at gmail.com Sun Dec 19 00:04:35 2010 From: szajmi at gmail.com (Andras Simon) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 01:04:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> Message-ID: On 12/19/10, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > Today it's the 4th sunday of advent. I've made a new version of the > danish christmas carol "en rose s? jeg skyde". It might require a bit > more patience than the latest handful of tunes I did, hope you reset > your expectations and enjoy! > > http://music.modlys.dk/track/en-rose-s-jeg-skyde > http://atte.dk/download/en_rose_saa_jeg_skyde.mp3 You must have linked the wrong song :-) This one requires no patience - a quiet little room and a few (well spent) minutes at most. It's plain beautiful. Thanks. Andras From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 19 00:15:19 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 01:15:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D0D4E97.6070409@email.dk> On 2010-12-19 01:04, Andras Simon wrote: > You must have linked the wrong song :-) This one requires no patience > - a quiet little room and a few (well spent) minutes at most. It's > plain beautiful. Thanks. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for listening! Glad you enjoyed it! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 19 00:47:51 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 01:47:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= Message-ID: Sorry, if this finally reaches you twice,but I had mail trouble and didn't see the orignal yet. ------------------- Hello Atte! Thanks for this. It was enjoyable music. I liked the mixture of the pd in the background and the bass. They made up a nice union, very comforting and made up for each other. Pitty, that now the weekly songs stop. :-) Thanks for sharing! Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 19 08:33:58 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:33:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0DC376.8030002@email.dk> On 2010-12-19 01:47, Julien Claassen wrote: > Sorry, if this finally reaches you twice,but I had mail trouble and > didn't see the orignal yet. I got the first one, but thanks for reposting! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 19 16:13:10 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:13:10 +0000 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s=C3=A5?= =?utf-8?q?__jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> Message-ID: <20101219161310.3abf0e0b@debian> On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 00:00:50 +0100 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > Today it's the 4th sunday of advent. I've made a new version of the > danish christmas carol "en rose s? jeg skyde". It might require a bit > more patience than the latest handful of tunes I did, hope you reset > your expectations and enjoy! > > http://music.modlys.dk/track/en-rose-s-jeg-skyde > http://atte.dk/download/en_rose_saa_jeg_skyde.mp3 Truly exceptional track. Really enjoyed this right from the start. Thanks for sharing. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From nielsmayer at gmail.com Sun Dec 19 17:52:13 2010 From: nielsmayer at gmail.com (Niels Mayer) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:52:13 -0800 Subject: [LAU] The Captain has left the building. In-Reply-To: <4D0CFD45.7010309@block4.com> References: <4D0C27D1.5090509@woh.rr.com> <4D0CFD45.7010309@block4.com> Message-ID: FYI, I highly recommend this... gloriously uncompressed "bootleg" of bat chain puller (a completely different session/mix than the released album). soothing analog tape hiss and percussion that actually sounds like it's supposed to [[insert rant about the psychologically and neurologically fraudulent concept of "perceptual masking" here]]. Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band Bat Chain Puller (Unreleased LP) ----------------------------------- 1. Bat Chain Puller 2. Seam Crooked Sam 3. Harry Irene 4. Poop Hatch 5. Flavor Bud Living 6. Brickbats 7. Floppy Boot Stomp 8. A Carrot Is As Close As A Rabbit Gets To A Diamond 9. Owed T'Alex 10. Odd Jobs 11. The 1010th Day Of The Human Totem Pole 12. Apes-ma PERSONEL: DON VAN VLIET - vocals/tenor sax/soprano sax/bass clarinet DENNY WALLEY - guitar/slide guitar JEFF MORIS TEPPER - guitar/slide guitar JOHN THOMAS - keyboards JOHN FRENCH - drums/percussion/guitar QUALITY: A+ Stereo Studio Recording NOTES: This album was recorded in early 1976 but never released. This particular dub was made from an ANA(1) copy given to a record company employee by Beefheart himself. This same tape has been bootlegged on CDR with excessive noise reduction, but this fresh new transfer is completely free of NR. Don't be fooled by the European bootleg "Dust Sucker" which comes from a very poor quality tape, and not the "Captain's original tapes" as the liner notes claim. This copy is the real deal! LINEAGE: ANA(2) -> CDR -> WAV -> FLAC TRANSFERED AND MASTERED BY JWB. DO NOT ENCODE TO MP3 OR SELL! -- Niels. http://nielsmayer.com ps: http://www.beefheart.com/datharp/albums/official/pics/lennonsam.jpg From atte at email.dk Sun Dec 19 20:03:51 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:03:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?utf-8?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s=C3=A5?= =?utf-8?q?__jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: <20101219161310.3abf0e0b@debian> References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> <20101219161310.3abf0e0b@debian> Message-ID: <4D0E6527.4000708@email.dk> On 2010-12-19 17:13, Folderol wrote: > Truly exceptional track. Really enjoyed this right from the start. Thanks! > Thanks for sharing. ...and thanks for listening! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From bengan at bag.org Mon Dec 20 13:11:23 2010 From: bengan at bag.org (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:11:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] sunvox for n900? nice handheld music maker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012201411.23766.bengan@bag.org> l?rdag 18 december 2010 05:49:44 skrev Niels Mayer: > This looks like an interesting handheld synth/music thing for the Nokia > N900. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwqflVX5oNo > > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61040 gives the clue to finding it. > > Here's my installation, pasted from the xterm/ssh-session to the n900 :-) Works fine. A bit of fiddling with "ln" to free some space. It makes a lot of sound :) /bengan From peder at musikhuset.org Mon Dec 20 13:49:11 2010 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:49:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] partition table In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> References: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101220144911.5ic6vk3xcks0ccoc@www.musikhuset.org> Quoting "rosea.grammostola" : > Do you have a special /home partition? Why or why not? Yes, as others have said: it is much easier if/when you reinstall the OS > Will performance be better if you have a special partition for audio? From what I understand it recommended to have a separate audio HD but a partition will also be benecifial. The reasoning behind the latter is that the system disk is often fragmented and since a typical recording session will need to allocate space for big files it will probably have to break them up and put them all over the drive. Whether it makes any difference with a modern HD and moderately large projects is debatable (I haven't noticed any problems with ~10 tracks in 5 minute songs) but I can imagine that when you start having 40-50 tracks playing simultaneously seek-time due to fragmentation might be an issue. From capoeirista at arcor.de Mon Dec 20 17:23:46 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:23:46 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 Message-ID: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Dear Paul, I installed Ardour 3 from here on my Arch-system: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=34433 + ou - only to have a look at what is coming. I get a segfault when pressing play, I don't know if I can help since I am no dev, but if I could help debugging i would. greets Fabio From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 20 17:30:48 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:30:48 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Fabio wrote: > Dear Paul, > > I installed Ardour 3 from here on my Arch-system: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=34433 > + ou - only to have a look at what is coming. No Linux distribution should be packaging Ardour3 at this time. It is APPALLING that they are doing this. > I get a segfault when pressing play, I don't know if I can help since I am no dev, but if I could help debugging i would. until there is an alpha release, there is no question of any one really trying to help you above and beyond basic URL's like http://ardour.org/debugging_ardour http://ardour.org/how_to_report_a_bug we have not asked (and are not asking) for people not comfortable with debuggers and other tracing tools to be using ardour3 at this time. From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 18:05:27 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:05:27 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: It's not really a oficial arch binary package, paul.. it's a arch user script that builds from svn. 2010/12/20 Paul Davis : > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Fabio wrote: >> Dear Paul, >> >> I installed Ardour 3 from here on my Arch-system: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=34433 >> + ou - only to have a look at what is coming. > > No Linux distribution should be packaging Ardour3 at this time. It is > APPALLING that they are doing this. > >> I get a segfault when pressing play, I don't know if I can help since I am no dev, but if I could help debugging i would. > > until there is an alpha release, there is no question of any one > really trying to help you above and beyond basic URL's like > > ? ?http://ardour.org/debugging_ardour > ? ?http://ardour.org/how_to_report_a_bug > > we have not asked (and are not asking) for people not comfortable with > debuggers and other tracing tools to be using ardour3 at this time. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 20 18:07:23 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:07:23 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote: > It's not really a oficial arch binary package, paul.. > it's a arch user script that builds from svn. that doesn't make a whole heap of difference. people who use svn are at least 1 step closer to understanding that the first step after a crash is "svn update". people using arch build scripts ... not so much, i suspect. moreover, people using svn are probably (hopefully!) on the commit mailing list and can see that the version they got this morning is now 8 commits old by lunchtime. again, people using arch build scripts ... not so much From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 18:19:08 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:19:08 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: Paul: I will write to AUR mailing list to remove this pkgbuid and congrats for the good work. 2010/12/20 Paul Davis : > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Bernardo Barros > wrote: >> It's not really a oficial arch binary package, paul.. >> it's a arch user script that builds from svn. > > that doesn't make a whole heap of difference. people who use svn are > at least 1 step closer to understanding that the first step after a > crash is "svn update". people using arch build scripts ... not so > much, i suspect. moreover, people using svn are probably (hopefully!) > on the commit mailing list and can see that the version they got this > morning is now 8 commits old by lunchtime. again, people using arch > build scripts ... not so much > From capoeirista at arcor.de Mon Dec 20 18:20:24 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:20:24 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em segunda-feira 20 dezembro 2010, ?s 15:30:48, voc? escreveu: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Fabio wrote: > > Dear Paul, > > > > I installed Ardour 3 from here on my Arch-system: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=34433 > > + ou - only to have a look at what is coming. > > No Linux distribution should be packaging Ardour3 at this time. It is > APPALLING that they are doing this. > > > I get a segfault when pressing play, I don't know if I can help since I am no dev, but if I could help debugging i would. > > until there is an alpha release, there is no question of any one > really trying to help you above and beyond basic URL's like > > http://ardour.org/debugging_ardour > http://ardour.org/how_to_report_a_bug > > we have not asked (and are not asking) for people not comfortable with > debuggers and other tracing tools to be using ardour3 at this time. > ok, i was just asking, since the maintainer there comented it. no need to get angry, we are just curious..lol From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 20 18:26:31 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:26:31 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Fabio wrote: > ok, i was just asking, since the maintainer there comented it. > > no need to get angry, we are just curious..lol i'm angry because i've said all the way through ardour3 development that packaging of any kind doesn't make any sense. i'm upset that someone would give users a 2nd-rate experience by making them think that they had received an "important" version of ardour3 rather than just another svn commit that will be out of date in a few hours. From dieter at plaetinck.be Mon Dec 20 18:39:45 2010 From: dieter at plaetinck.be (Dieter Plaetinck) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:39:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:26:31 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Fabio wrote: > > > ok, i was just asking, since the maintainer there comented it. > > > > no need to get angry, we are just curious..lol > > i'm angry because i've said all the way through ardour3 development > that packaging of any kind doesn't make any sense. i'm upset that > someone would give users a 2nd-rate experience by making them think > that they had received an "important" version of ardour3 rather than > just another svn commit that will be out of date in a few hours. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user the ardour3-svn pgkbuild in AUR is basically nothing more then a simple script which saves users who want to run from svn some typing work. this is not an official package or whatever. users who use this know that it is not supported by Arch and obviously, that it builds from svn. what should probably be added is a clear disclaimer "do not ask upstream for support on this unless you know how to debug" or something like that. Removing the pkgbuild (and hence just making it harder to run from svn) doesn't solve the core problem. a warning like the one above does. Dieter From capoeirista at arcor.de Mon Dec 20 18:45:52 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:45:52 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> Message-ID: <201012201645.52772.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em segunda-feira 20 dezembro 2010, ?s 16:39:45, Dieter Plaetinck escreveu: > On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:26:31 -0500 > Paul Davis wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Fabio wrote: > > > > > ok, i was just asking, since the maintainer there comented it. > > > > > > no need to get angry, we are just curious..lol > > > > i'm angry because i've said all the way through ardour3 development > > that packaging of any kind doesn't make any sense. i'm upset that > > someone would give users a 2nd-rate experience by making them think > > that they had received an "important" version of ardour3 rather than > > just another svn commit that will be out of date in a few hours. > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > the ardour3-svn pgkbuild in AUR is basically nothing more then a simple > script which saves users who want to run from svn some typing work. > this is not an official package or whatever. > users who use this know that it is not supported by Arch and obviously, > that it builds from svn. what should probably be added is a clear > disclaimer "do not ask upstream for support on this unless you know how > to debug" or something like that. > Removing the pkgbuild (and hence just making it harder to run from svn) > doesn't solve the core problem. a warning like the one above does. > > Dieter > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > true From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 20 18:46:20 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:46:20 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > the ardour3-svn pgkbuild in AUR is basically nothing more then a simple > script which saves users who want to run from svn some typing work. > this is not an official package or whatever. > users who use this know that it is not supported by Arch and obviously, > that it builds from svn. ?what should probably be added is a clear > disclaimer "do not ask upstream for support on this unless you know how > to debug" or something like that. > Removing the pkgbuild (and hence just making it harder to run from svn) > doesn't solve the core problem. ?a warning like the one above does. but that's not the core problem. the core problem, from my perspective, is that svn evolves by the hour at the moment. when you release something that looks like a package (even if it doesn't walk like a package), people (users) tend to think that something significant has happened, when it has not. they don't realize that if they really want to try it out and then they run into problems that an update & a rebuild comes first. they thus easily conclude that its broken and that there is no way to know when it will be fixed, when the answer maybe that it was fixed 3 hours ago. this is the danger of "packaging" svn for any active project. people avoid SVN updates to avoid breakage, and thus they avoid the fixes too. From dieter at plaetinck.be Mon Dec 20 18:58:51 2010 From: dieter at plaetinck.be (Dieter Plaetinck) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:58:51 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> Message-ID: <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:46:20 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Dieter Plaetinck > wrote: > > > the ardour3-svn pgkbuild in AUR is basically nothing more then a > > simple script which saves users who want to run from svn some > > typing work. this is not an official package or whatever. > > users who use this know that it is not supported by Arch and > > obviously, that it builds from svn. ?what should probably be added > > is a clear disclaimer "do not ask upstream for support on this > > unless you know how to debug" or something like that. > > Removing the pkgbuild (and hence just making it harder to run from > > svn) doesn't solve the core problem. ?a warning like the one above > > does. > > but that's not the core problem. the core problem, from my > perspective, is that svn evolves by the hour at the moment. when you > release something that looks like a package (even if it doesn't walk > like a package), people (users) tend to think that something > significant has happened, when it has not. they don't realize that if > they really want to try it out and then they run into problems that an > update & a rebuild comes first. they thus easily conclude that its > broken and that there is no way to know when it will be fixed, when > the answer maybe that it was fixed 3 hours ago. this is the danger of > "packaging" svn for any active project. people avoid SVN updates to > avoid breakage, and thus they avoid the fixes too. Paul, I think you're making a lot of assumptions here. the aur is a pretty clearly understood concept within the Arch community. Users who use svn pgkbuilds from AUR are not really different from other users who build from svn. I don't see why behavior (frequency of updating, whether the mailing lists are checked or not) would necessarily be worse amongst AUR svn users then other folks who build ardour from svn. In fact, I think just *because* they have a pkgbuild, it actually becomes easier to update the package. People who do things manually are the ones who don't like doing it all over again. But really, I don't get why you care so much about how frequent Arch users update their svn packages. You don't want to support people who build ardour3 from svn and who don't know how to provide valuable feedback, that is fine. As long as we tell folks that clearly, we're good. I don't see why we would need to prevent users building from svn, it's not like they harm anyone by doing so (provided we put that clear warning in) Dieter From rm at mh-freiburg.de Mon Dec 20 19:17:38 2010 From: rm at mh-freiburg.de (R. Mattes) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:17:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> Message-ID: <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:58:51 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote > > Paul, > I think you're making a lot of assumptions here. the aur is a pretty > clearly understood concept within the Arch community. Was it understood by Fabio? > Users who use > svn pgkbuilds from AUR are not really different from other users who > build from svn. The point you don't seem to get is: _users_ don't build from svn. And building from svn seems to be complicted enough to prevent them to do it. > I don't see why behavior (frequency of updating, > whether the mailing lists are checked or not) would necessarily be > worse amongst AUR svn users then other folks who build ardour from svn. > In fact, I think just *because* they have a pkgbuild, it actually > becomes easier to update the package. People who do things manually > are the ones who don't like doing it all over again. Easier for whom? > But really, I don't get why you care so much about how frequent Arch > users update their svn packages. You don't want to support people > who build ardour3 from svn and who don't know how to provide > valuable feedback, that is fine. As long as we tell folks that > clearly, we're good. Jes, as long as you tell folks clearly that _is_ fine. But that important step got lost ... > I don't see why we would need to prevent users > building from svn, it's not like they harm anyone by doing so > (provided we put that clear warning in) Lukily Fabio only waisted developer time - but alpha software can easily erase your harddisk or go out and kill your grandmother - but wait, this isn't even alpha software! Get the pont ;-) Cheers, Ralf Mattes > Dieter > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- R. Mattes -- Systemeinheitsstreichler Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg rm at inm.mh-freiburg.de From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 19:26:01 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:26:01 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: Paul, I suggested to remove the package. I also wrote the following note: This is not a official ardour or arch package, as most of AUR users already know. Please if you really want to try this svn snapshot, make sure you update it frenquently and that you are capable of providing useful debug information for the developers. Please also read the following links: http://ardour.org/debugging_ardour http://ardour.org/how_to_report_a_bug From capoeirista at arcor.de Mon Dec 20 19:27:47 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:27:47 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em segunda-feira 20 dezembro 2010, ?s 17:17:38, R. Mattes escreveu: > Lukily Fabio only waisted developer time lol, i was not asking for a discussion man, just a asked a question. a simple "we are not asking for people not comfortable with debuggers and other tracing tools to be using ardour3 at this time." as answer and noone would have waisted time anyways. relax people From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Dec 20 19:44:34 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:44:34 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote: > Paul, I suggested to remove the package. > > I also wrote the following note: I'm comfortable with that note. I just hope that people actually read it. From rennabh at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 22:17:07 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:17:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: <20101220231707.4120774c@gmail.com> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:44:34 -0500 Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Bernardo Barros > wrote: > > Paul, I suggested to remove the package. > > > > I also wrote the following note: > > I'm comfortable with that note. I just hope that people actually read > it. It won't be much read, as most Archers use utilities like yaourt which download the scripts automatically without seeing the comments which are only on the web page. But that's not a problem IMHO. The AUR is a user maintained and free collection of scripts (*not* packages), anyone can upload anything to it and everyone using it does so at his own risk (BTW it works wonderfully). But that's pretty much acknowledged in the Arch community - and shouldn't it be generally, in the linux community, since we all use free software at "our own risk"? renato From paul.feitzinger at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 22:29:36 2010 From: paul.feitzinger at gmail.com (paul feitzinger) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101220231707.4120774c@gmail.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <20101220231707.4120774c@gmail.com> Message-ID: paul at parc:~$ yaourt -S ardour3-svn ==> Downloading ardour3-svn PKGBUILD from AUR... x PKGBUILD x ardour3-svn.desktop ... ... 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URL: From rennabh at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 22:46:48 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:46:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <20101220231707.4120774c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101220234648.00699602@gmail.com> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:29:36 -0500 paul feitzinger wrote: > paul at parc:~$ yaourt -S ardour3-svn > > ==> Downloading ardour3-svn PKGBUILD from AUR... > x PKGBUILD > x ardour3-svn.desktop > ... > ... > Comment by: smoge on Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:45:59 +0000 > This is not an official ardour or arch package, as most of AUR users > ... > ... > The warning is done. > > First Submitted: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:46:26 +0000 > ardour3-svn 8298-1 : A multichannel hard disk recorder and digital > audio workstation. Version 3 with lv2 support (pre-release). > ( Unsupported package: Potentially dangerous ! ) > ==> Edit PKGBUILD ? [Y/n] ("A" to abort) > ==> ------------------------------------ > ==> > > (ellipses are editorial.) Ok, sorry, I actually don't use yaourt from a long time :) renato From schivmeister at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 00:34:31 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:34:31 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On 21 December 2010 02:26, Paul Davis wrote: > i'm angry because i've said all the way through ardour3 development > that packaging of any kind doesn't make any sense. IIRC we've always been telling each other not to upload any buildscript of ardour3 to AUR, but share them via other means, eg. IRC. It was an understanding all archlinux/ardour3 users had at that time and for as long as I know (until now..or more precisely February which I wasn't aware of) there was no such package in the AUR. However, I believe that's flawed and more importantly, stupid. What we end up with in the end is some script that looks almost the same and does exactly the same thing, duplicated on almost every system that matters to ardour3 development. Even one of your most useful/prominent ardour/jack users (he was featured in an article not too long ago) uses buildscripts because: 1) They take care of dependencies 2) They automate svn routines 3) They automate build routines And all that in a nice, unaltered way. You surely don't want to bother your useful users with those headaches, because surely, you want them to _use_ ardour3 and provide valuable feedback. Argueing that, someone who doesn't want to go through those headaches is not fit enough to contribute to ardour3 development, is absurd at best. Which brings us to: > i'm upset that someone would give users a 2nd-rate experience by > making them think that they had received an "important" version of > ardour3 rather than just another svn commit that will be out of date > in a few hours. Our users are competent enough to understand the difference there - subconsciously. In fact, I believe that kind of thinking can only be attributed to new or casual users of FLOSS. Anyone who is capable of setting up an Arch Linux system is capable of using Subversion. Look at it this way: You would've received this query even if the user had resorted to manual methods of installation. A PKGBUILD is no different from a svn/wget script that prepares the local system, pulls upstream sources and does a build and an install run. Have a look: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ardour3-svn/ardour3-svn/PKGBUILD Surely, sharing that kind of script openly would not be against any kind of rule or ethic, nor would it be hampering ardour3 development any more than random support requests from uninformed users, regardless of platform. So just a warning pre/post-install would be good enough to prevent unwarranted queries like this. Which brings us to: On 21 December 2010 03:44, Paul Davis wrote: > I'm comfortable with that note. I just hope that people actually read it. As long as it requests attention, like a prompt for a yes or no, it will be read in most cases. Else, it's no different from not reading about ardour3 from upstream sources. While navigating to the following page: http://ardour.org/download_full I was able to get the SVN command for 3.0 without bothering myself with the details. If, after installing (let's assume someone helped me with the dependencies on Fedora), I were to face a crash, there would be nothing preventing me from asking a question on the list, forums or IRC. You can rest assured that Arch Linux users don't bother about "distributions". Software is only "packaged" because it's a necessary step to maintain a record and system sanity. You can't really refer to our packaging and compare it to, say, Fedora's packaging. We "package" almost everything, even our own custom, personal scripts. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From ngoonee at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 01:02:40 2010 From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:02:40 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101220234648.00699602@gmail.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <20101220231707.4120774c@gmail.com> <20101220234648.00699602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1292893360.13542.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 23:46 +0100, Renato wrote: > On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:29:36 -0500 > paul feitzinger wrote: > > > paul at parc:~$ yaourt -S ardour3-svn > > > > ==> Downloading ardour3-svn PKGBUILD from AUR... > > x PKGBUILD > > x ardour3-svn.desktop > > ... > > ... > > Comment by: smoge on Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:45:59 +0000 > > This is not an official ardour or arch package, as most of AUR users > > ... > > ... > > The warning is done. > > > > First Submitted: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:46:26 +0000 > > ardour3-svn 8298-1 : A multichannel hard disk recorder and digital > > audio workstation. Version 3 with lv2 support (pre-release). > > ( Unsupported package: Potentially dangerous ! ) > > ==> Edit PKGBUILD ? [Y/n] ("A" to abort) > > ==> ------------------------------------ > > ==> > > > > (ellipses are editorial.) > > Ok, sorry, I actually don't use yaourt from a long time :) > renato Bauerbill does not show that warning, at least. Clyde may or may not, haven't touched it in a while, but doubt it does since it didn't last time. I'll go contribute to the AUR discussion on their mailing list. The problem is that most 'users' don't actually see the AUR as all that different from the repos, which is what Paul was alluding to. From capoeirista at arcor.de Tue Dec 21 01:13:16 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:13:16 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <201012202313.17030.capoeirista@arcor.de> Ray Rashif wrote: > ...... word From harryhaaren at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 01:25:05 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:25:05 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Ray Rashif wrote: > You can rest assured that Arch Linux users don't bother about > "distributions". Software is only "packaged" because it's a necessary > step to maintain a record and system sanity. You can't really refer to > our packaging and compare it to, say, Fedora's packaging. We "package" > almost everything, even our own custom, personal scripts. > You've said it there: Arch Linux *users*. In response to "warning dialogs": Am I the only one that tries to figure out if clicking "Yes", "No", or "OK" is going to make the program go on without reading the box? I don't think so. :-) I can see the use of the script, but I have to say that I think the damage of a new user not understanding "development" software, and thinking a program is broken due to them testing a pre-"pre-alpha" far outweighs the usefulness of the script. That's not to say that your not allowed to script the process, but don't share it online. It damages the reputation of the software you've packaged. Am I totally in the dark here? -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 21 01:32:58 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:32:58 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> Message-ID: <20101221013258.GA28213@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 02:44:34PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Bernardo Barros > wrote: > > Paul, I suggested to remove the package. > > > > I also wrote the following note: > > I'm comfortable with that note. I just hope that people actually read it. Whenever this whole business with distros and Ardour comes up, it reminds me of ion3. -ken From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Dec 21 02:18:12 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:18:12 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101221013258.GA28213@aieee.restivo.org> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220193945.6c20a366@plaetinck.be> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <20101221013258.GA28213@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 02:44:34PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Bernardo Barros >> wrote: >> > Paul, I suggested to remove the package. >> > >> > I also wrote the following note: >> >> I'm comfortable with that note. I just hope that people actually read it. > > Whenever this whole business with distros and Ardour comes up, it reminds me of ion3. not knowing anything about ion3, i will mention that is my intention to provide distro-neutral binary packages of ardour3. i may have mentioned this before. From ngoonee at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 02:46:08 2010 From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:46:08 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 01:25 +0000, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Ray Rashif wrote: > > > You can rest assured that Arch Linux users don't bother about > > "distributions". Software is only "packaged" because it's a necessary > > step to maintain a record and system sanity. You can't really refer to > > our packaging and compare it to, say, Fedora's packaging. We "package" > > almost everything, even our own custom, personal scripts. > > > > You've said it there: Arch Linux *users*. > > In response to "warning dialogs": Am I the only one that tries to figure out > if clicking "Yes", "No", or "OK" is going to make the program go on without > reading the box? I don't think so. :-) > > I can see the use of the script, but I have to say that I think the damage > of a new user not understanding "development" software, and thinking a > program is broken due to them testing a pre-"pre-alpha" far outweighs the > usefulness of the script. Yes, many of us are lazy. In reply to the discussion here, however, the user who maintains the script in question has said he will add a post_install announcement basically stating that this version is not ready for public testing. Thus every user who installs it WILL see that announcement. > > That's not to say that your not allowed to script the process, but don't > share it online. It damages the reputation of the software you've packaged. > > Am I totally in the dark here? -Harry Everything in Arch is done with PKGBUILDs. Most users wouldn't even install anything (especially software they may want to remove soon-ish) without a relevant PKGBUILD which allows reasonably complete removal. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Dec 21 02:55:20 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:55:20 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: i don't really want to argue this too much, but i do think that its pretty fallacious to propose that because Arch makes it relatively easy (like gentoo) to wrap the use of an svn repository in a package-related system that users of the result of this process will understand that there is really no difference between an explicit checkout of svn and management of one's repository, and the package-related tool version. the alpha testers for a3 to date have all been extremely clear that you don't bother checking it out unless you intend to (a) get on the commit mailing list (b) regularly svn update (possibly a few times a day on days when they are testing). i understand (now) that there is nothing about the pkgbuild system in Arch that prevents either of these two from still being the case. however, i don't believe that even a majority of people who use the method will understand the need for (a) and (b) or even just the general nature of what they're connected to. there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. From schivmeister at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 03:44:29 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:44:29 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 21 December 2010 10:55, Paul Davis wrote: > there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these > were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not > resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not > released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using > a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? > > maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. I'd be as skeptical as you, if that's the question. There are bound to be those who just want to "try" ardour3. And within that category, there are those that want to "try to help" ardour3. Sure, the fact that there is something like a buildscript out in the open definitely makes it easier to do either, but I'm pretty sure that kind of people are the minority and should be the least of your concerns. Really following ardour3 closely (or any other software development for that matter) with a buildscript/package is a bit cumbersome IMHO, but many testers don't really follow code, and to them, a buildscript helps keep everything in check, tip-top. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Dec 21 03:50:03 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:50:03 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 21 December 2010 10:55, Paul Davis wrote: >> there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these >> were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not >> resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not >> released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using >> a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? >> >> maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. > > I'd be as skeptical as you, if that's the question. There are bound to > be those who just want to "try" ardour3. right. and that's the whole point. i don't want people who "just want to try it" to do so at this point because i don't believe its ready for them. and when they find its not ready, as they likely will, what will their reaction be? the idea is to limit the set of people "just trying it" to people who are ready for it to break on them and willing to get involved and help us fix the issue. what you're alluding to is to me more like a beta test. we haven't released an alpha yet. From schivmeister at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 04:24:25 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:24:25 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 21 December 2010 11:50, Paul Davis wrote: > people who are ready for it to break on them I can say with confidence this one is the majority (of the buildscript users). > willing to get involved and help us fix the issue. These are more like the ones who may or may not use the buildscript. I believe this one is more of a "try to help" case, and would've been posted regardless of the buildscript/distribution or warnings on the upstream site. Having the PKGBUILD now doesn't change the number of "try" users. There are bound to be casual Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora users who have figured out how to get ardour3 via Subversion, simply because they're excited. There's no solution to this. Even if the PKGBUILD were to be removed now, it will keep coming back and we wouldn't be able to prevent that. Better to have it and stick a mean note on (especially about serious feedback) than deal with fresh new ones every now and then. That, IMO, is more of a solution, as far as users of Arch Linux is concerned. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From lsutton at libero.it Tue Dec 21 08:45:21 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:45:21 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4D106921.4070708@libero.it> Hi Paul, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >> On 21 December 2010 10:55, Paul Davis wrote: >>> there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these >>> were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not >>> resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not >>> released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using >>> a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? >>> >>> maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. >> I'd be as skeptical as you, if that's the question. There are bound to >> be those who just want to "try" ardour3. > right. and that's the whole point. i don't want people who "just want > to try it" to do so at this point because i don't believe its ready > for them. and when they find its not ready, as they likely will, what > will their reaction be? the idea is to limit the set of people "just > trying it" to people who are ready for it to break on them and > willing to get involved and help us fix the issue. what you're > alluding to is to me more like a beta test. we haven't released an > alpha yet. You are right, but I think also overall the Linux Users' community is grown up enough to know what an svn version is, and through this very discussion I think it is now clear to all that any ardour 3 version one 'gets hold of' it is to be considered such. I think - hope - the reaction of users building from svn is "hey it's coming along really well, thumbs up!". That was my reaction when I had a peak last time. Yes I publicly confess I also did a 'curiosity build' :) Finally, maybe the post on createdigitalmusic.co [1] did contribute to increase a certain curiosity... Lorenzo. [1] http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/12/ardour-3-free-daw-is-nearly-done-and-with-midi-could-become-your-main-daw/ > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From raffaele.morelli at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 08:50:35 2010 From: raffaele.morelli at gmail.com (Raffaele Morelli) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:50:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D106921.4070708@libero.it> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4D106921.4070708@libero.it> Message-ID: Hi you all, just to add 0.02? to this thread. Maybe adding a message to Ardour 3 splash screen that clearly reminds svn users/builders - wheter they know or they don't - they'are using not even an alpha release would do the job. regards -r -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From capoeirista at arcor.de Tue Dec 21 11:42:03 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:42:03 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D106921.4070708@libero.it> Message-ID: <201012210942.04072.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em ter?a-feira 21 dezembro 2010, ?s 06:50:35, Raffaele Morelli escreveu: > Hi you all, > > just to add 0.02? to this thread. > Maybe adding a message to Ardour 3 splash screen that clearly reminds svn > users/builders - wheter they know or they don't - they'are using not even an > alpha release would do the job. > > regards > -r > > look at that, an easy and practical solution....lol From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Dec 21 11:47:00 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:47:00 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4D1093B4.8010605@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/21/2010 04:50 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >> On 21 December 2010 10:55, Paul Davis wrote: >>> there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these >>> were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not >>> resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not >>> released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using >>> a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? >>> >>> maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. >> >> I'd be as skeptical as you, if that's the question. There are bound to >> be those who just want to "try" ardour3. > > right. and that's the whole point. i don't want people who "just want > to try it" to do so at this point because i don't believe its ready > for them. i agree. but paul, there could be one benefit to distribution build-scripts: if they track the dependencies, they make it very easy to pull in all the required third-party libraries for a3. that is, they remove a major hurdle for a casual tester that doesn't want to jump through too many hoops to have a look at ardour, and who is capable of dealing with pre-release software and the required debugging procedure. (need to upgrade my main studio machine soon, and boy do i wish for an a3-build-requirements meta package...) best, j?rn From f.rech at yahoo.fr Tue Dec 21 11:55:45 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:55:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D1093B4.8010605@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4D1093B4.8010605@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <4D1095C1.6010200@yahoo.fr> Le 21/12/2010 12:47, J?rn Nettingsmeier a ?crit : > On 12/21/2010 04:50 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: >> >>> On 21 December 2010 10:55, Paul Davis wrote: >>> >>>> there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these >>>> were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not >>>> resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not >>>> released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using >>>> a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? >>>> >>>> maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. >>>> >>> I'd be as skeptical as you, if that's the question. There are bound to >>> be those who just want to "try" ardour3. >>> >> right. and that's the whole point. i don't want people who "just want >> to try it" to do so at this point because i don't believe its ready >> for them. >> > i agree. but paul, there could be one benefit to distribution > build-scripts: if they track the dependencies, they make it very easy to > pull in all the required third-party libraries for a3. > that is, they remove a major hurdle for a casual tester that doesn't > want to jump through too many hoops to have a look at ardour, and who is > capable of dealing with pre-release software and the required debugging > procedure. > (need to upgrade my main studio machine soon, and boy do i wish for an > a3-build-requirements meta package...) > > +1 Fred > best, > > j?rn > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From arve.barsnes at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 12:11:44 2010 From: arve.barsnes at gmail.com (Arve Barsnes) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:11:44 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4D106921.4070708@libero.it> Message-ID: On 21 December 2010 09:50, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > Maybe adding a message to Ardour 3 splash screen that clearly reminds svn > users/builders - wheter they know or they don't - they'are using not even an > alpha release would do the job. I don't think people would read that any more than any warning on install. At this time I really think it should be the packager's responsibility to respect the developer's wishes in regards to their software. Software that isn't even released yet, but that they graciously have decided to develop on a publicly accessible repo. Anyone can benefit from build scripts, but with the situation as it is, it should be unnecessary to put additional work on Paul because the wrong people get access to those scripts. My 0,02kr From seablaede at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 13:17:30 2010 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:17:30 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4D106921.4070708@libero.it> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Arve Barsnes wrote: > At this time I really think it should be the packager's > responsibility to respect the developer's wishes in regards to their > software. Software that isn't even released yet, but that they > graciously have decided to develop on a publicly accessible repo. > Anyone can benefit from build scripts, but with the situation as it > is, it should be unnecessary to put additional work on Paul because > the wrong people get access to those scripts. We have a winner! > Having the PKGBUILD now doesn't change the number of "try" users. There are bound to be casual Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora users who have figured out how to get ardour3 via Subversion, simply because they're excited. There's no solution to this. This isn't the problem though. Those users that go through that process have demonstrated some dedication already in time invested in order to compile, and are that much closer to being a benefit to the community at large by providing useful feedback in debugging. In order for them to 'figure out' the process chances are at some point they did some reading and research, far more than is required by the buildscript process. If Ubuntu had a package of A3 in its repos, it would be just as much of a problem for that exact same reason. Once you put this time in once, doing so a second time is a cakewalk(And only needed if on a different machine or you have reinstalled most of your base system in many cases) and a much smaller investment in time. A third and fourth are even less. The people that provide useful debugging information, even after Ardour is released are the people that put in that effort to build a debug version. On Linux I was a Gentoo person, and heavy user of the portage ebuilds for SVN access to Ardour. It was nice, but I ran into problems on occasion that I couldn't answer only because I hadn't built it myself and didn't know every step of the relevant process what had happened. On OS X I build everything by hand(And if you think doing this on Linux is hard, you ain't seen nothing yet till you try to do it on OS X Snow Leopard). I have often considered writing scripts to automate this, but at this time have not for a variety of reasons, but primarily because this way I know exactly what version of what libs are involved and Paul can tell me exactly what version I need to be on for appropriate fixers not only in Ardour, but in other libs as well that he is far more familiar with than I am and has submitted patches to for problems discovered by Ardour. But here is the other half of the matter that Paul alluded to but did not go into detail on. A3 is in heavy development and for the testers being sought after, installation is not a common occurance. In fact it is recommended NOT to install A3 while testing, because often times you may need to test a patch on your codebase, your own local checkout, before it is committed to SVN. You can't do that extremely easily on an installed system, and A3's code is specifically set up to run from the build directory via scripts for this exact purpose, debugging and bug reporting. So the short of it is, consider the building the source by hand a filter to make sure you can and should be doing so. If you can and should be doing so, chances are you could write the buildscript yourself to check out A3's code and build it in a day at most(A few minutes if you are a coder really), with all testing. It isn't that difficult, the dependency handling is the most difficult and the benefit to distribution systems, but noone is saying you can't write your own package to do exactly that, just not to distribute it at this time is the request. Seablade From seablaede at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 13:22:39 2010 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:22:39 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: For the record, we aren't attacking you, but you are being used as an example, it isn't meant to be personal you just happened to bet he first one that mailed here about it. You did waste a little bit of time, but far less than those that DO come into IRC and say, I built this but why isn't this working, to which we go through a long and tedious debugging process to only find out they built via a build-script or similar and have no idea what actually happened in the build process(See my post above, I used to do this so don't think I am being mean:), and we have to tell them after having wasted sometimes hours of effort the exact same thing you got in the first response;) Yes this does happen, sadly more often than we would like. Seablade On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Fabio wrote: > Em segunda-feira 20 dezembro 2010, ?s 17:17:38, R. Mattes escreveu: >> Lukily Fabio only waisted developer time > > > lol, i was not asking for a discussion man, just a asked a question. > a simple ?"we are not asking for people not comfortable with debuggers and other > tracing tools to be using ardour3 at this time." as answer and noone would have waisted time anyways. > > relax people > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From zotz at 100jamz.com Tue Dec 21 13:32:46 2010 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:32:46 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <201012210832.47131.zotz@100jamz.com> On Monday 20 December 2010 21:55:20 Paul Davis wrote: > i don't really want to argue this too much, but i do think that its > pretty fallacious to propose that because Arch makes it relatively > easy (like gentoo) to wrap the use of an svn repository in a > package-related system that users of the result of this process will > understand that there is really no difference between an explicit > checkout of svn and management of one's repository, and the > package-related tool version. > > the alpha testers for a3 to date have all been extremely clear that > you don't bother checking it out unless you intend to (a) get on the > commit mailing list (b) regularly svn update (possibly a few times a > day on days when they are testing). i understand (now) that there is > nothing about the pkgbuild system in Arch that prevents either of > these two from still being the case. however, i don't believe that > even a majority of people who use the method will understand the need > for (a) and (b) or even just the general nature of what they're > connected to. > > there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these > were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not > resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not > released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using > a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? > > maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. Should such scripts add a cron job to do the updates several times a day? Or one that runs hourly and checks for some flag on the ardour site to know if it needs to update automatically? Asking from a level of ignorance here. all the best, drew From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 13:51:36 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:51:36 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012210832.47131.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <201012210832.47131.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: I have much respect for Paul's work, as well for the TU (trusted users) guys. It's up to the TU to decide the future of this package, not me. Until then I added the following post_install and post_update: echo ">>> ----------------------------------------WARNING----------------------------------------" echo ">>> This is not an official ardour or arch package, as most of AUR users already know. " echo ">>> Please if you really want to try this svn snapshot, make sure you update it frequently" echo ">>> and that you are capable of providing useful debug information for the developers." echo ">>>" echo ">>> From the main developer as of 2010/12: " echo ">>> we have not asked (and are not asking) for people not" echo ">>> comfortable with debuggers and other tracing tools to " echo ">>> be using ardour3 at this time." echo ">>>" echo ">>> The authors also recomend that Arch users DO NOT use this PKGBUILD" echo ">>> and instead make all the steps using svn and 'svn update'." echo ">>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------" From hollunder at lavabit.com Tue Dec 21 13:54:49 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:54:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> Excerpts from Thomas Vecchione's message of 2010-12-21 14:22:39 +0100: > For the record, we aren't attacking you, but you are being used as an > example, it isn't meant to be personal you just happened to bet he > first one that mailed here about it. You did waste a little bit of > time, but far less than those that DO come into IRC and say, I built > this but why isn't this working, to which we go through a long and > tedious debugging process to only find out they built via a > build-script or similar and have no idea what actually happened in the > build process(See my post above, I used to do this so don't think I am > being mean:), and we have to tell them after having wasted sometimes > hours of effort the exact same thing you got in the first response;) > > Yes this does happen, sadly more often than we would like. > > Seablade Sorry Seablade, but a build script actually documents how it was built, you have to commands in there, one ofter the other, for your reading pleasure. The user can throw you a link, you can have a look and immediately say things like: "oh, that's wrong, you have to build with internal SLV2 and without VST or you won't get support". Arch build scripts are a few lines of bash and you don't even need to know bash to understand them. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 21 14:17:24 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:17:24 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> Message-ID: <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> Greetings, Paul has *asked* distro maintainers to respect his wishes that A3 development remain tightly controlled by the team. Some distro maintainers obviously feel that this means they can ignore his wishes if they so please. Freedom raises its beautiful ugly head again, with its double-edged blade at the ready. Honestly, did the designers of the Arch script confer with PD before they made the decision to release the script ? It seems to me that it would have been the civil thing to do. They can't have been unaware of Paul's previous statements regarding A3's distribution, or am I wrong about that ? It just seems a bit slippery to release a buildscript in a repo. I think that if you want to build A3 you should demonstrably have the chops yourself and you should abide by the developer's intentions. Btw, is KXStudio still packaging A3 or a buildscript for it ? I asked the maintainer but he never responded. Best, dp From capoeirista at arcor.de Tue Dec 21 14:22:42 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:22:42 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> Em ter?a-feira 21 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:17:24, Dave Phillips escreveu: > Some distro > maintainers obviously feel that this means they can ignore his wishes if > they so please Did you read the messages? AUR-scripts are usermade. From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Dec 21 14:25:11 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:25:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D10B8C7.8070007@autostatic.com> On 12/21/2010 03:22 PM, Fabio wrote: > Em ter?a-feira 21 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:17:24, Dave Phillips escreveu: >> Some distro >> maintainers obviously feel that this means they can ignore his wishes if >> they so please > > Did you read the messages? AUR-scripts are usermade. As soon as you create an AUR-script you help maintaining the distro. Best, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Dec 21 14:25:48 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:25:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D10B8EC.6060202@autostatic.com> On 12/21/2010 03:17 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Btw, is KXStudio still packaging A3 or a buildscript for it ? I asked > the maintainer but he never responded. KXStudio doesn't have A3 packages. One of his other PPA's, Lucid (Bleeding-Edge) does have A3 packages that are updated frequently. Best, Jeremy From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 14:33:40 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:33:40 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D10B8EC.6060202@autostatic.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <4D10B8EC.6060202@autostatic.com> Message-ID: KXStudio cheaps a Ubuntu binary package, it's quite other thing. In AUR we provide only a build script that can be update very easily. It does a 'svn update' and builds for the user. From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 14:55:45 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:55:45 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <4D10B8EC.6060202@autostatic.com> Message-ID: 2010/12/21 Bernardo Barros : > KXStudio cheaps a Ubuntu binary package, it's quite other thing. > In AUR we provide only a build script that can be update very easily. > It does a 'svn update' and builds for the user. actually the pkgbuild does just this: if [ -d $_svnmod ] ; then (cd $_svnmod && svn update) msg "The local files are updated." else svn co ${_svntrunk} ${_svnmod} fi From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 14:57:41 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:57:41 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <4D10B8EC.6060202@autostatic.com> Message-ID: > actually the pkgbuild does just this: > > ?if [ -d $_svnmod ] ; then > ? ?(cd $_svnmod && svn update) > ? ?msg "The local files are updated." > ?else > ? ?svn co ${_svntrunk} ${_svnmod} > ?fi > and then it builds, of course :-) From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 21 15:28:19 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:28:19 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> Fabio wrote: > Em ter?a-feira 21 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:17:24, Dave Phillips escreveu: > >> Some distro >> maintainers obviously feel that this means they can ignore his wishes if >> they so please >> > > Did you read the messages? Every one, from your first post to the latest. I understand them, too. > AUR-scripts are usermade. > And it makes no difference to the point. In effect the users become package maintainers, and they are still acting opposite to the *request* made by the developer. To me, the issue is one of civility. It's not like Paul's thoughts on the matter are unclear. At any time the script writer(s) could have directly asked Paul whether he could be supportive of the script. Perhaps then they could have worked out an acceptable scheme to preclude this kind of thread. Perhaps they would have been dissatisified with his response and proceeded to do as they did anyway, but at least there would have been some dialog. As it is, he finds out about this stuff by surprise, and then we have this thread. I build A3 daily from SVN sources. If I have a question or lament about it I go to IRC, not here and not on the Ardour forums. That is what the developer has asked testers to do and I feel I should honor his request. Yes, I'm certainly free to do otherwise, but I understand why Paul makes the request and I respect it. Best, dp From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 21 15:39:25 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:39:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples Message-ID: Hello everyone! I was wondering, if it would be possible to create a stripped down commandline version of gigedit to bild a complete gigasample library of a preorganised .gig file and a directory of .wav-files. I've come across this sort of thing several times now. You get a sample library made up of a lot of .wav-files, a .nki file and an empty .gig-file shell. The only thing needing to be done is open the gig file, choose the right directory and click import, or however it is called. Would it be possible, within reasonable amount of time and work, to implement such a mini special gig-builder for the CLI. I'm thinking of something like: gigbuild Thanks a lot for reading. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 15:38:41 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:38:41 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: The package is updated to show a big and strident warning with all the information about debugging every time a user installs or updates from svn. Whether the package wil be removed or not is not up to me but to the TUs (AUR's Trusted Users). I didn't create the package, it's there since February. I adopted this package a week ago and I just correct mistakes in the script. If they remove the package, I have no problems with it, I'm really fine :-). From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 21 15:46:18 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:46:18 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D10CBCA.3020000@woh.rr.com> Julien Claassen wrote: > > I was wondering, if it would be possible to create a stripped down > commandline version of gigedit to bild a complete gigasample library > of a preorganised .gig file and a directory of .wav-files. I've come > across this sort of thing several times now. You get a sample library > made up of a lot of .wav-files, a .nki file and an empty .gig-file > shell. The only thing needing to be done is open the gig file, choose > the right directory and click import, or however it is called. > Would it be possible, within reasonable amount of time and work, to > implement such a mini special gig-builder for the CLI. I'm thinking of > something like: > gigbuild > Hi Julien, I agree, this would be a great addition to the LinuxSampler world. I've created a couple sets of GIG files with Gigedit, it would have been a lot easier with your suggested utility. I'd also be inclined to do more conversions if I had such a tool. Best, dp From hollunder at lavabit.com Tue Dec 21 15:58:29 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:58:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1292945951-sup-242@eris> Excerpts from Dave Phillips's message of 2010-12-21 16:28:19 +0100: > Fabio wrote: > > Em ter?a-feira 21 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:17:24, Dave Phillips escreveu: > > > >> Some distro > >> maintainers obviously feel that this means they can ignore his wishes if > >> they so please > >> > > > > Did you read the messages? > > Every one, from your first post to the latest. I understand them, too. > > > AUR-scripts are usermade. > > > > And it makes no difference to the point. In effect the users become > package maintainers, and they are still acting opposite to the *request* > made by the developer. > > To me, the issue is one of civility. It's not like Paul's thoughts on > the matter are unclear. At any time the script writer(s) could have > directly asked Paul whether he could be supportive of the script. > Perhaps then they could have worked out an acceptable scheme to preclude > this kind of thread. Perhaps they would have been dissatisified with his > response and proceeded to do as they did anyway, but at least there > would have been some dialog. As it is, he finds out about this stuff by > surprise, and then we have this thread. > > I build A3 daily from SVN sources. If I have a question or lament about > it I go to IRC, not here and not on the Ardour forums. That is what the > developer has asked testers to do and I feel I should honor his request. > Yes, I'm certainly free to do otherwise, but I understand why Paul makes > the request and I respect it. > > Best, > > dp Lots of Arch user might have respected Pauls wish and not written a PKGBUILD, others may not have respected the wish or not have known it. You can't expect everyone to know it, it's easy to get the svn link etc. without knowing Pauls wishes. So yeah, the PKGBUILD could be deleted from AUR but someone else will upload another one, because that's the way we work, we write and share PKGBUILDs. So from my point of view this discussion is pointless. Adding messages to the PKGBUILD is a nice gesture of whoever maintains the PKGBUILD at the time and the only solution. I spare myself criticism regarding cooperation in the past and the increasing tendency to control, but one more thing to think about: 'advertising' A3 features on the one hand and trying to preventing 'casual' users is contradictory. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Dec 21 16:05:18 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:05:18 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <1292945951-sup-242@eris> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > I spare myself criticism regarding cooperation in the past and the > increasing tendency to control, but one more thing to think about: > 'advertising' A3 features on the one hand and trying to preventing > 'casual' users is contradictory. to be pedantic, i've taken precisely zero steps to prevent packages being created, unless you think that me actually speaking out about it can prevent it. i'm a reasonably good software architect, but i'm not that powerful :) my concern is not really for me or other developers, its for users who get a crappy experience and conclude that a tool that *will* eventually be useful for them is too buggy for any serious user. i can't count the pieces of s/w that i've downloaded, found that it crashes or had a serious bug and simply written it off. at some points during a program's lifetime, that might be an appropriate reaction. but before there has even been an alpha release, i don't think its fair to users to suggest to them that there is an easy or "casual" way to "try" the program when it is reasonably likely that it doesn't work for them. the alternative is for us to do development in secret and i don't think that this really serves anyone very well. From rtg at aapsc.com Tue Dec 21 16:18:06 2010 From: rtg at aapsc.com (Rick Green) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:18:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Paul Davis wrote: > the idea is to limit the set of people "just > trying it" to people who are ready for it to break on them and > willing to get involved and help us fix the issue. what you're > alluding to is to me more like a beta test. we haven't released an > alpha yet. Possibly the text on ardour.org/download_full should be edited from "If you are an active developer of Ardour, or a beta[sic] tester..." to something more like Paul's stronger statement above. ...or better yet, replace it with a link to the 'getting involved' section of the development page, then in the 'welcome' message of the ardour-dev mailing list, mention the requirement to also join the ardour-commit list, and in that list's welcome message, finally give the link to the svn checkout command. ...maybe then you'll have fewer distractions from drive-by construction-zone gawkers, as well as lower levels of 'buzz' and anticipation of the pleasures to come. It's a balancing act. To what extent are the developers motivated by the public attention of that 'buzz', balanced by the distractions of the occasional less-than-fully-formed bug report, and the drawn-out meta-discussions such as this one? -- Rick Green "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009 From jonathan.gazeley at bristol.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 16:38:38 2010 From: jonathan.gazeley at bristol.ac.uk (Jonathan Gazeley) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:38:38 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D10B8C7.8070007@autostatic.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10B8C7.8070007@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4D10D80E.4060604@bristol.ac.uk> Seems to me that the point of open-source is that these wishes are irrelevant - the code has been released into the wild. However, if a distribution or an individual modifies the code by patching or packing, and this change has not been authorised by the developer, then the distribution or individual should take the burden of support queries for it. Conversely, if you download A3 and want help with it, don't pester the developer with your custom spin. Jonathan On 21/12/10 14:25, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/21/2010 03:22 PM, Fabio wrote: >> Em ter?a-feira 21 dezembro 2010, ?s 12:17:24, Dave Phillips escreveu: >>> Some distro >>> maintainers obviously feel that this means they can ignore his wishes if >>> they so please >> >> Did you read the messages? AUR-scripts are usermade. > > As soon as you create an AUR-script you help maintaining the distro. > > Best, > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- ---------------------------- Jonathan Gazeley Systems Support Specialist ResNet | Wireless & VPN Team Information Services University of Bristol ---------------------------- From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 17:03:43 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:03:43 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello everyone! > ?I was wondering, if it would be possible to create a stripped down > commandline version of gigedit to bild a complete gigasample library of a > preorganised .gig file and a directory of .wav-files. I've come across this > sort of thing several times now. You get a sample library made up of a lot > of .wav-files, a .nki file and an empty .gig-file shell. The only thing > needing to be done is open the gig file, choose the right directory and > click import, or however it is called. > ?Would it be possible, within reasonable amount of time and work, to > implement such a mini special gig-builder for the CLI. I'm thinking of > something like: > gigbuild > ?Thanks a lot for reading. > ?Kindest regards > ? ? ? ? ? Julien Love the idea. Thought about it often... This makes the assumption (I think) that all all of the wave files are properly trimmed with consistent (or no) quiet samples at the front and hopefully very little at the end. It also assumes that all of the samples have proper volumes WRT each other. In my experience with large wave file distributions is this has never been the case. Simplistically speaking it also assumes that you want to build a single sample per note played which is fine for certain types of sounds but not for the majority really. (But it does have value...) One thing a properly designed gig file does is take _all_ of this into account so that the samples start to approach being 'playable' as opposed to just samples. Making that some sort of automated thing would be quite a trick. Maybe you could script sox to determine where the sound was and then auto-trim the wave files. Possibly you could even recognize multiple files playing the same note. All that said it's a lot of work and, in general, why these things are expensive when done well. Of course I think there's value even if your app only did part of this. At least it's a start. I'd use it with GigaStudio here if it worked. - Mark From torbenh at gmx.de Tue Dec 21 17:05:11 2010 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:05:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <201012210832.47131.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: <20101221170511.GG14960@siel.b> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:51:36AM -0200, Bernardo Barros wrote: > I have much respect for Paul's work, as well for the TU (trusted users) guys. > It's up to the TU to decide the future of this package, not me. > Until then I added the following post_install and post_update: > > > echo ">>> ----------------------------------------WARNING----------------------------------------" > echo ">>> This is not an official ardour or arch package, as most of > AUR users already know. " > echo ">>> Please if you really want to try this svn snapshot, make > sure you update it frequently" > echo ">>> and that you are capable of providing useful debug > information for the developers." > echo ">>>" > echo ">>> From the main developer as of 2010/12: " > echo ">>> we have not asked (and are not asking) for people not" > echo ">>> comfortable with debuggers and other tracing tools to " > echo ">>> be using ardour3 at this time." > echo ">>>" > echo ">>> The authors also recomend that Arch users DO NOT use this PKGBUILD" > echo ">>> and instead make all the steps using svn and 'svn update'." > echo ">>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------" maybe add a dependency on gdb. the script already builds in debug mode as far as i can see. you need to get it to install the ardbg script though. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 21 17:19:14 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:19:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mark1 I think the task I'm asking for is even easier. Consider this link: http://www.sampletekk.com/eprod/How%20To%20Make%20WG%20GS3%20File.pdf What they do, is sell samples in a multi-format distribution. ou get the amples, trimmed and grommed for direct use, together with an .nki file and maybe ex24 or whatever else. You also get a gigfile, with all the right configurations, but if you want to use the gigfile, you have to open it in gigastudio - or if less than 2GB you can do it in gigedit already - and import the wav-files. the directories and gig-files are setup so, that you just click on the folder and say "import" or "build" or whatever they call it and then the samples get copied into the gig-file. All envelopes, keyswithcing, filters, offsets and groups and what else there is, is already made up. They just do it, to save space on the server, I suppose. So I'm not asking for magic, just for a kind of mini-program, which automates something like: open gig-file, mark folder, press button and do the work. The functions should be there in the gigedit code. Just this time, I want it to work without the GUI, since I can't touch it. And it is a bit tiresome to ask a friend. Because that usually means, putting the files on the net, the other party downloading, building the gig and then uploading again, so I can download it. - In some cases this is inevitable, where the gigs will be larger than 2GB, but anything else, is certainly a task I would like to perform. :-) Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From capoeirista at arcor.de Tue Dec 21 17:19:53 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:19:53 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <201012211519.54260.capoeirista@arcor.de> whole discussion remebers me of my mom advising me not to eat from the pie until it has colded down. She says, don't eat from it, you will get stomache-ake (how do you say that?). I know I can get a bad stomache, perhaps i get - perhaps not, and I know that it will taste better if i wait. But,,,,,,,,,, I have to eat from it lolllllllllllllllllllllllll NOW, the whole discussion is unproductive, everything was said in first comand from Paul. At least should have stoped when advice was put in PCKGBUILT and even Paul gave his ok. developers don't like AUR......users LOVEEEEE it....you can find everything in it, even software which isn't even in alfa-state ;-) From fons at kokkinizita.net Tue Dec 21 17:29:57 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:29:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20101221172957.GA4070@zita2> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:17:24AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Honestly, did the designers of the Arch script confer with PD before > they made the decision to release the script ? It seems to me that > it would have been the civil thing to do. They can't have been > unaware of Paul's previous statements regarding A3's distribution, > or am I wrong about that ? The package contains 3 files: PKGBUILD ardour3-svn.desktop ardour3-svn.install 'ardour3-svn.desktop' is what you think it is. 'ardour3-svn.install' displays the warning messages. The file PKGBUILD is reproduced below for you to inspect. If you care to read it, you will discover that 1. it performs an 'svn update' when run for the second and later times it is run, 2. it builds a debug version. Running makepkg on it will also install dependencies. * It is just a convenient way to do what has to be done * in order to build ardour3 from svn, including updating your local copy as many times as required. If the intention is that _nobody_ should do this, then access to the code should be controlled. In the other case, it doesn't matter if people do it using the PKGBUILD or manually. If you want to bash Arch users for using this package, at least be consistent and bash everyone building ardour3. PKGBUILD ---8<------------------------------------------------------------ # Maintainer: Bernardo Barros # Contributor: Uli Armbruster pkgname=ardour3-svn _realname=ardour3 pkgver=8319 pkgrel=2 pkgdesc="A multichannel hard disk recorder and digital audio workstation. Version 3 with lv2 support (pre-release)." arch=('i686' 'x86_64') url="http://www.ardour.org" license=('GPL') depends=("util-linux-ng" "liblrdf>=0.4.0" "liblo" "libgnomecanvasmm>=2.12.0" "slv2>=0.6.4" "aubio") makedepends=("boost>=1.39" "cppunit>=1.12.0" "soundtouch" "libvorbis>=1.1.2" "flac>=1.2.1" "python2>=2.3" "glib" "cppunit" "jack-audio-connection-kit") provides=('ardour3') conflicts=('ardour3') source=(${pkgname}.desktop) md5sums=('2736c648e452ae45c703e48cf64f75e7') install=ardour3-svn.install _svntrunk=http://subversion.ardour.org/svn/ardour2/branches/3.0 _svnmod=${_realname} build() { cd ${srcdir} rm -rf ${_svnmod}-build if [ -d $_svnmod ] ; then (cd $_svnmod && svn update) msg "The local files are updated." else svn co ${_svntrunk} ${_svnmod} fi cp -rf ${_svnmod} ${_svnmod}-build cd ${_svnmod}-build python2 waf configure --prefix=/usr --configdir=/etc --tranzport --freesound --freedesktop --lv2 -p --debug python2 waf build DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" python2 waf install # install some freedesktop.org compatibility install -Dm644 "${srcdir}/${pkgname}.desktop" "${pkgdir}/usr/share/applications/${_realname}.desktop" } ---8<------------------------------------------------------------ Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 17:42:23 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:42:23 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Mark1 > ?I think the task I'm asking for is even easier. Consider this link: > http://www.sampletekk.com/eprod/How%20To%20Make%20WG%20GS3%20File.pdf > ?What they do, is sell samples in a multi-format distribution. ou get the > amples, trimmed and grommed for direct use, together with an .nki file and > maybe ex24 or whatever else. You also get a gigfile, with all the right > configurations, but if you want to use the gigfile, you have to open it in > gigastudio - or if less than 2GB you can do it in gigedit already - and > import the wav-files. the directories and gig-files are setup so, that you > just click on the folder and say "import" or "build" or whatever they call > it and then the samples get copied into the gig-file. All envelopes, > keyswithcing, filters, offsets and groups and what else there is, is already > made up. They just do it, to save space on the server, I suppose. > ?So I'm not asking for magic, just for a kind of mini-program, which > automates something like: open gig-file, mark folder, press button and do > the work. The functions should be there in the gigedit code. Just this time, > I want it to work without the GUI, since I can't touch it. And it is a bit > tiresome to ask a friend. Because that usually means, putting the files on > the net, the other party downloading, building the gig and then uploading > again, so I can download it. - In some cases this is inevitable, where the > gigs will be larger than 2GB, but anything else, is certainly a task I would > like to perform. :-) > ?Kindly yours > ? ? ? ? ?Julien Julien, If the SampleTek libraries are really done that well then you'd possibly be pretty close to usable. They make it look _reasonably_ easy in your link. I wonder if it really is? What are you assuming about GigEdit? The Linux version isn't GigEdit from Tascam, it's a Linux program. Is your assumption that it provides 100% compatibility with the GigEdit that they are showing? It might or might not. Are you possibly assuming that you load the real GigEdit under Wine or something? Just curious, and not negative on the idea, but as a GigaStudio 3 owner I'll simply report that this has always been the hardest part of using that suite. - Mark From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 21 17:51:09 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:51:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mark! The last time we had to do it, it was easy. It was the easiest and fastest part in the process. I now have the Yamaha 7sea (7CG JR) grand and it sounds like a dream. :-) No I wasn't assuming, that Tascams GigEdit and ours are the same. But I think our LS-Gigedit should be compliant enough to import samples, if all the rest of the settings is in place. I'm mostly thinking of pianos and electric pianos here, so what is there: velocity layering and velocity layered release samples. Perhaps a bit of amplitude envelops. Though I even think that this is unlikely, since they want the samples to be as realistic and direct as possible. So I think they did most of the work before hand. So all the cutting and movng samples around should be done prior to putting the wav-files in the rar archives. I just downloaded gigedit. Could you tell me what you would have to do in LS-GigEdit to perform the action, they describged in the file? Then I can have a go through the source and see if I might hack something to start with. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 17:51:54 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:51:54 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Mark! > ?The last time we had to do it, it was easy. It was the easiest and fastest > part in the process. I now have the Yamaha 7sea (7CG JR) grand and it sounds > like a dream. :-) > ?No I wasn't assuming, that Tascams GigEdit and ours are the same. But I > think our LS-Gigedit should be compliant enough to import samples, if all > the rest of the settings is in place. I'm mostly thinking of pianos and > electric pianos here, so what is there: velocity layering and velocity > layered release samples. Perhaps a bit of amplitude envelops. Though I even > think that this is unlikely, since they want the samples to be as realistic > and direct as possible. So I think they did most of the work before hand. So > all the cutting and movng samples around should be done prior to putting the > wav-files in the rar archives. > ?I just downloaded gigedit. Could you tell me what you would have to do in > LS-GigEdit to perform the action, they describged in the file? Then I can > have a go through the source and see if I might hack something to start > with. > ?Kind regards > ? ? ? ? ?Julien Julien, I can't help with GigEdit. You'll have to contact the LS team for help on that. I'm no longer involved with the project and don't even have it on my system anymore. - Mark From rennabh at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 17:56:11 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato Budinich) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:56:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101221172957.GA4070@zita2> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <20101221172957.GA4070@zita2> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:29 PM, wrote: > * It is just a convenient way to do what has to be done * > in order to build ardour3 from svn, including updating > your local copy as many times as required. > > If the intention is that _nobody_ should do this, then access > to the code should be controlled. In the other case, it doesn't > matter if people do it using the PKGBUILD or manually. If you > want to bash Arch users for using this package, at least be > consistent and bash everyone building ardour3. > > > +1 it's really that simple guys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brummer- at web.de Tue Dec 21 18:02:49 2010 From: brummer- at web.de (hermann) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:02:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012211519.54260.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012211519.54260.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1292954569.2117.3.camel@box> Am Dienstag, den 21.12.2010, 15:19 -0200 schrieb Fabio: > whole discussion remebers me of my mom advising me not to eat from the > pie until it has colded down. She says, don't eat from it, you will > get stomache-ake (how do you say that?). I know I can get a bad > stomache, perhaps i get - perhaps not, and I know that it will taste > better if i wait. But,,,,,,,,,, I have to eat from it > lolllllllllllllllllllllllll > Well, I really start to get appetite . . . From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 21 18:48:12 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:48:12 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101221172957.GA4070@zita2> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <20101221172957.GA4070@zita2> Message-ID: <4D10F66C.7040302@woh.rr.com> fons at kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:17:24AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >> Honestly, did the designers of the Arch script confer with PD before >> they made the decision to release the script ? It seems to me that >> it would have been the civil thing to do. They can't have been >> unaware of Paul's previous statements regarding A3's distribution, >> or am I wrong about that ? >> > > The package contains 3 files: > > ... > If you care to read it ... I had read it, and I agree, it does what I do anyway. > If the intention is that _nobody_ should do this, then access > to the code should be controlled. In the other case, it doesn't > matter if people do it using the PKGBUILD or manually. If you > want to bash Arch users for using this package, at least be > consistent and bash everyone building ardour3. > Fair enough. @Fabio : You wrote "I know that it will taste better if i wait. But,,,,,,,,,, I have to eat from it...." :)) You're right, appetite is one of the great stimulators. Best, dp From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 21 18:56:26 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:56:26 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> Message-ID: <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:05:18AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Philipp ?berbacher > wrote: > > > I spare myself criticism regarding cooperation in the past and the > > increasing tendency to control, but one more thing to think about: > > 'advertising' A3 features on the one hand and trying to preventing > > 'casual' users is contradictory. > > to be pedantic, i've taken precisely zero steps to prevent packages > being created, unless you think that me actually speaking out about it > can prevent it. i'm a reasonably good software architect, but i'm not > that powerful :) > > my concern is not really for me or other developers, its for users who > get a crappy experience and conclude that a tool that *will* > eventually be useful for them is too buggy for any serious user. i > can't count the pieces of s/w that i've downloaded, found that it > crashes or had a serious bug and simply written it off. at some points > during a program's lifetime, that might be an appropriate reaction. > but before there has even been an alpha release, i don't think its > fair to users to suggest to them that there is an easy or "casual" way > to "try" the program when it is reasonably likely that it doesn't work > for them. > > the alternative is for us to do development in secret and i don't > think that this really serves anyone very well. This is exactly the problem, and it is very fundamental. Developers can't control the user experience of an open source software package. Full stop. It is not possible. The users, and the distributions, have a lot more say in it. Unless you close the source, users on Linux *WILL* have varying uncontrollable levels of user experience-- it's the price of openness. I see that Ardour has a good following of users in the Mac world, where this kind of tight control of the user experience is rampant and was part of Steve Jobs's original closed-system vision in the early 1980s, and perhaps that kind of philosophy is important when dealing with that market. But that attitude doesn't fit in Linux land, although shipping a binary distro-independent package might get somewhere close, who knows. -ken From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Tue Dec 21 19:02:52 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:02:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D10F9DC.7000501@quirq.ukfsn.org> Mark Knecht wrote: > Julien, > If the SampleTek libraries are really done that well then you'd > possibly be pretty close to usable. They make it look _reasonably_ > easy in your link. I wonder if it really is? > > What are you assuming about GigEdit? The Linux version isn't > GigEdit from Tascam, it's a Linux program. Is your assumption that it > provides 100% compatibility with the GigEdit that they are showing? It > might or might not. > > Are you possibly assuming that you load the real GigEdit under Wine > or something? > > Just curious, and not negative on the idea, but as a GigaStudio 3 > owner I'll simply report that this has always been the hardest part of > using that suite. > > - Mark > Hi Julien & Mark James Stone has kindly cross-posted this to the LinuxSampler-devel list. When there's a response I'm sure it will end up getting cross-posted back here. It's almost exactly a year since I did it, but I recall that assembly in the Gigastudio editor (is it also called Gigedit? confusing) was pretty straightforward (although I wasn't too happy about having to do it that way, but needs must and all that). I think they use placeholder tiny files with the same name as the actual wavs. I know that LS's Gigedit has a "replace samples" function but I couldn't seem to get it to work right with something else I was doing, but I'll have another go. If it comes to it, it's not a terribly difficult job to manually drag-and-drop samples -- I've had a lot of practice lately! LS's Gigedit has some very confusingly named controls in it, because apparently that's how everything works in the Tascam version and they are maintaining compatibility. Or if the worst comes to the worst, I'll just have to fire up my XP VM again and do it in Gigastudio. It does seem a shame though that LS is usable on the command line but Gigedit isn't. Whilst the process of building a .gig file is quite graphical, I would have thought it should be possible to do it on the command line. If some sort of assembler script, or Gigedit-lite if you will, is possible, I think it would be of benefit to a lot of people besides Julien. Q From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 21 19:05:57 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:05:57 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux Message-ID: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize it myself. But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? Thanks. -ken From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Dec 21 19:29:22 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:29:22 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: >> the alternative is for us to do development in secret and i don't >> think that this really serves anyone very well. > > This is exactly the problem, and it is very fundamental. > > Developers can't control the user experience of an open source software package. Full stop. It is not possible. The users, and the distributions, have a lot more say in it. I'm not talking about user experience of a released program. There's no question that its not possible to control this. I'm talking about the user experience of a not-yet alpha-released program. There's probably no question that its possible to control this either, but the fact that its possible for the concept to even exist is a function of the fact that we've developed ardour3 "in the open" rather than keeping it hidden until we think its ready for public evaluation. From leoave at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 19:32:14 2010 From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:32:14 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: you mean : a) 8mm stereo plug to a 1/4" stereo plug ? b) 8mm stereo plug to a 1/4" mono plug ? c) 8mm stereo plug to two 1/4" mono plugs ? -- Leo On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the > ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod > to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. > > All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. > > http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr > > That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize > it myself. > > But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except > POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. > > Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 > line level transformer? > > Thanks. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 19:33:04 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:33:04 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. > > All I've been able to ?find is insanely expensive, like US$200. > > http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr > > That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize it myself. > > But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. > > Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? > > Thanks. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > $50 at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Go-41163-Isolation-Transformer/dp/tech-data/B000SO0SXC/ref=de_a_smtd Know nothing about its quality Google search was audio isolation transformers - Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Dec 21 19:33:23 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:33:23 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101221193323.41a5fa92@debian> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:05:57 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. > > All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. > > http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr > > That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize it myself. > > But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. > > Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? > > Thanks. > > -ken This might do the job, but I don't know where you are in the world so have no idea how you'd get them! http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=6676048 -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 19:34:41 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:34:41 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: >> >> Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -ken >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > $50 at Amazon > > http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Go-41163-Isolation-Transformer/dp/tech-data/B000SO0SXC/ref=de_a_smtd > > Know nothing about its quality > > Google search was audio isolation transformers > > - Mark > Here's one for $11 http://www.amazon.com/Raptor-GL15-Ground-Loop-Isolator/dp/B0009O19LQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1292960024&sr=8-2 - Mark From jpsandys at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 19:35:17 2010 From: jpsandys at gmail.com (Jeff Sandys) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:35:17 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux Message-ID: Ken said: I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. ... But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? When you say line level transformer it will lead you to power (line level) transformers. I did a search for audio transformers at Mouser and came up with over 100, some of the pulse brand 1:1 transformers looked like they would do the job in the $3 to $12 range for single items. You need to figure out what impedance you what, 50 ohm would probably match ipod ear buds. Good luck. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 19:37:25 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:37:25 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > >>> >>> Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -ken >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-audio-user mailing list >>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >>> >> >> $50 at Amazon >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Go-41163-Isolation-Transformer/dp/tech-data/B000SO0SXC/ref=de_a_smtd >> >> Know nothing about its quality >> >> Google search was audio isolation transformers >> >> - Mark >> > > Here's one for $11 > > http://www.amazon.com/Raptor-GL15-Ground-Loop-Isolator/dp/B0009O19LQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1292960024&sr=8-2 > - Mark > And this Amazon vendor store sells it for $5.14 Is that cheap enough? ;-) http://www.amazon.com/Raptor-GL15-Ground-Loop-Isolator/dp/B0009O19LQ/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&m=A1729W3053T57N&s=merchant-items&qid=1292960165&sr=1-12 From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 19:43:16 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:43:16 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > >>> the alternative is for us to do development in secret and i don't >>> think that this really serves anyone very well. >> >> This is exactly the problem, and it is very fundamental. >> >> Developers can't control the user experience of an open source software package. Full stop. It is not possible. The users, and the distributions, have a lot more say in it. > > I'm not talking about user experience of a released program. There's > no question that its not possible to control this. > > I'm talking about the user experience of a not-yet alpha-released > program. There's probably no question that its possible to control > this either, but the fact that its possible for the concept to even > exist is a function of the fact that we've developed ardour3 "in the > open" rather than keeping it hidden until we think its ready for > public evaluation. Unless you limit access to your repository how will you ever control that? It's Open Source. Good, bad, working, not working, if it's available then it's out there. As for me I don't even ask _questions_ about A3. Gentoo pro-audio has an ebuild. I build it and play with it. I won't depend on it until 6 months after you say it's ready. In the meantime it's just something for me to play with. As Ardour matures it certainly becomes important that you don't allow people to damage the brand you've created here. My 2 cents, Mark From mike at linuxdsp.co.uk Tue Dec 21 20:04:29 2010 From: mike at linuxdsp.co.uk (linuxdsp) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:04:29 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4D11084D.9070909@linuxdsp.co.uk> Ken Restivo wrote: > I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. > > All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. > > http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr > > That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize it myself. > > But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. > > Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? > > Thanks. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > I don't think that's insanely expensive :) given that jensen are probably one of the best at this sort of thing and their transformers are used in many professional grade applications - and if you are going to transformer-couple things then the quality of the transformer is absolutely critical (even to get consumer grade performance) and requires specialist knowledge and manufacture to get right (or a lot of luck!). There may be other options that don't require a transformer - it depends upon the problem you are trying to solve. From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 21 19:48:57 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:48:57 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <4D11084D.9070909@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <4D11084D.9070909@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <20101221194857.GE19978@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 08:04:29PM +0000, linuxdsp wrote: > Ken Restivo wrote: >> I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. >> >> All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. >> >> http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr >> >> That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize it myself. >> >> But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. >> >> Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -ken > > I don't think that's insanely expensive :) given that jensen are > probably one of the best at this sort of thing and their transformers > are used in many professional grade applications - and if you are going > to transformer-couple things then the quality of the transformer is > absolutely critical (even to get consumer grade performance) and > requires specialist knowledge and manufacture to get right (or a lot of > luck!). There may be other options that don't require a transformer - > it depends upon the problem you are trying to solve. The amp is a Cambridge Soundworks that cost US$100. I will not buy a transformer for it that costs more than the amp. -ken From f.rech at yahoo.fr Tue Dec 21 19:57:23 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:57:23 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4D1106A3.10403@yahoo.fr> Le 21/12/2010 20:29, Paul Davis a ?crit : > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > > >>> the alternative is for us to do development in secret and i don't >>> think that this really serves anyone very well. >>> >> This is exactly the problem, and it is very fundamental. >> >> Developers can't control the user experience of an open source software package. Full stop. It is not possible. The users, and the distributions, have a lot more say in it. >> > I'm not talking about user experience of a released program. There's > no question that its not possible to control this. > > I'm talking about the user experience of a not-yet alpha-released > program. There's probably no question that its possible to control > this either, but the fact that its possible for the concept to even > exist is a function of the fact that we've developed ardour3 "in the > open" rather than keeping it hidden until we think its ready for > public evaluation. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > PLEASE PEOPLE ! Let Paul, and Team, work -or have holydays if they like to- they can't lose their time to reply to ~troll (yes, ~ MEANS some kind of) instead of coding.... The point is, what do you want ? Somebody to talk or A3.... From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Dec 21 20:01:30 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:01:30 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221194857.GE19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <4D11084D.9070909@linuxdsp.co.uk> <20101221194857.GE19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101221200130.0116c95d@debian> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:48:57 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 08:04:29PM +0000, linuxdsp wrote: > > Ken Restivo wrote: > >> I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. > >> > >> All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. > >> > >> http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr > >> > >> That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize it myself. > >> > >> But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. > >> > >> Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -ken > > > > I don't think that's insanely expensive :) given that jensen are > > probably one of the best at this sort of thing and their transformers > > are used in many professional grade applications - and if you are going > > to transformer-couple things then the quality of the transformer is > > absolutely critical (even to get consumer grade performance) and > > requires specialist knowledge and manufacture to get right (or a lot of > > luck!). There may be other options that don't require a transformer - > > it depends upon the problem you are trying to solve. > > The amp is a Cambridge Soundworks that cost US$100. I will not buy a transformer for it that costs more than the amp. > > -ken Then again there is ... http://uk.farnell.com/oep-oxford-electrical-products/a262a7e/transformer-audio-1-1-1-1/dp/1689035 Which looks even better suited to what you want (and cheaper too). Just cos they say PCB mounted doesn't stop you soldering wires directly on the pins does it? :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From siliconjoe at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 20:06:19 2010 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:06:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: 2010/12/21 Ken Restivo : > I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. > > All I've been able to ?find is insanely expensive, like US$200. > > http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr > > That's ridiculous. I just need the transformer itself; I can connectorize it myself. +1, I can buy a power AND an output transformer for a 100 watts tube guitar amp head for that price and still have money left... Do they also sell snake oil? > But my searches (Jameco, Mouser, DigiKey) aren't turning up anything except POWER transformers, much larger than what I need. > > Can anyone point me to some part numbers and (reasonable) prices for a 1:1 line level transformer? > > Thanks. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 21 20:12:22 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:12:22 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D1093B4.8010605@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <201012201620.25659.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292899568.8798.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4D1093B4.8010605@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20101221201222.GF19978@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:47:00PM +0100, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/21/2010 04:50 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > >> On 21 December 2010 10:55, Paul Davis wrote: > >>> there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these > >>> were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not > >>> resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not > >>> released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using > >>> a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? > >>> > >>> maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. > >> > >> I'd be as skeptical as you, if that's the question. There are bound to > >> be those who just want to "try" ardour3. > > > > right. and that's the whole point. i don't want people who "just want > > to try it" to do so at this point because i don't believe its ready > > for them. > > i agree. but paul, there could be one benefit to distribution > build-scripts: if they track the dependencies, they make it very easy to > pull in all the required third-party libraries for a3. > that is, they remove a major hurdle for a casual tester that doesn't > want to jump through too many hoops to have a look at ardour, and who is > capable of dealing with pre-release software and the required debugging > procedure. > (need to upgrade my main studio machine soon, and boy do i wish for an > a3-build-requirements meta package...) > > Now this debate is reminding me more of my old days in Product Management, where we had salesmen and customers who would basically clamor for pre-release alpha stuff, just to GAWK at it (or to dazzle customers with vaporware bullshit to get their business), or because they just needed what it did-- or was going to do, eventually. It was a constant battle. Anything we did that was cool, if it escaped the lab, we'd get salesmen promising it to customers in order to get a jump on competitors who actually were SHIPPING what we were still alpha-ing, and the customers would get bent out of shape because it didn't work, and we would try to hold the hordes back by demanding that customers promise to test and give bug reports, which they often did not, it was just a giant mess. Ardour is an unusual hybrid of commercial and open source worlds in that sense, because it DOES have a marketing "brand" and revenue stream to protect. I really don't see any other open source projects caring whether users try something and it breaks and they don't report the bugs back. So what if it breaks and users go, "hmm, it's broken". Hey, it's open source, use at your own risk. If the distro puts crap in its repos, then switch distros-- liveCDs are cheap. But in the case of Ardour, it seems like it's marketing problem that's at stake: you don't want people trying it and deciding that it's broken, then going with a competitor instead, or giving it bad press. Plus the alpha stuff is getting hyped, i.e. CDM doing stories on it (which may be the root of the problem, and again unavoidable because it's open source). This whole dynamic doesn't seem to happen with any other open source project I can remember. Even something high-profile like Firefox, I mean, do they really care if someone packaged up an alpha of the latest Firefox for linux, and users tried it and it broke and went with Chrome or Konqueror instead? Would they get bent out of shape about that? I doubt it. So it seems like it's business driving this whole issue. -ken From fons at kokkinizita.net Tue Dec 21 20:32:06 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:32:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101221203206.GB4070@zita2> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:05:57AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > I've been looking around for a 1:1 line level transformer to lift the ground when connecting the headphone stereo output jack of a laptop or iPod to a consumer-grade amp that takes a headphone jack input. > > All I've been able to find is insanely expensive, like US$200. > > http://www.jensen-transformers.com/prices.html#ci2rr $200 is at the high end, and you probably don't need that one. There are two names for quality audio transformers, Jensen and Sowter. For the latter, have a look at I've use Sowter products many times, never had any complaint. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From fons at kokkinizita.net Tue Dec 21 20:40:03 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:40:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101221204003.GC4070@zita2> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:06:19PM +0100, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: > +1, I can buy a power AND an output transformer for a 100 watts tube > guitar amp head for that price and still have money left... > Do they also sell snake oil? An output transformer for a tube guitar amp is easy stuff compared to a typical Jensen line or mic input transformer: * It doesn't need to be high quality. The amp will actually sound better if it distorts a bit. * It can have some nice resonances in the audio band, that will probably just enhance the sound. * No need for magnetic screening. * No need for electrostatic screening between primary and secondary. * No need for careful balancing and high CMRR. * Can be bulky and heavy. * etc. $200 for a mic input transformer is really high end, but that should be compared to the price of a quality microphone, which could easily be ten times as much. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Tue Dec 21 21:45:22 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:45:22 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Building gigasamples In-Reply-To: <4D10F9DC.7000501@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4D10F9DC.7000501@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <4D111FF2.5060904@quirq.ukfsn.org> Q wrote: > I think they use placeholder tiny files with the same name as the actual > wavs. I know that LS's Gigedit has a "replace samples" function but I > couldn't seem to get it to work right with something else I was doing, > but I'll have another go. > Talking to myself again ;-) For future reference, I couldn't get the LinuxSampler Gigedit to perform the "replace samples" function needed to assemble the Sampletekk giga file -- it just crashed when I tried, so I've had to resort to a WinXP virtual machine and Tascam Gigastudio instead, which is a shame. Q From zotz at 100jamz.com Wed Dec 22 00:11:50 2010 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:11:50 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <201012211911.50804.zotz@100jamz.com> On Tuesday 21 December 2010 14:29:22 Paul Davis wrote: > but the fact that its possible for the concept to even > exist is a function of the fact that we've developed ardour3 "in the > open" rather than keeping it hidden until we think its ready for > public evaluation. And I think this is a good thing. Despite any pain that may come from the chaos. Is there no way to do a transparent overlay on all main windoes that says pre-alpha version - for development only and a link to the web docs explaining what is wanted? Just an off the cuff thought. all the best, drew From zotz at 100jamz.com Wed Dec 22 00:15:44 2010 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:15:44 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <201012211915.45000.zotz@100jamz.com> On Tuesday 21 December 2010 14:43:16 Mark Knecht wrote: > As Ardour matures it certainly becomes important that you don't allow > people to damage the brand you've created here. Interesting thought... Should the pre-alpha stuff be developed at a different site? Under a different name? With the needed name change at alpha... Or even beta? all the best, drew From looplog at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 01:26:48 2010 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:26:48 +0900 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > > As for me I don't even ask _questions_ about A3. Gentoo pro-audio has > an ebuild. I build it and play with it. I won't depend on it until 6 > months after you say it's ready. In the meantime it's just something > for me to play with. > This seems to be one of the more sensible contributions here. The argument seems to be getting reduced to two kinds of people - those who are savvy enough or have enough time to SVN build with a full debugging toolkit and apparently morons who would use a bleeding edge package and be incapable of differentiating it from a finished product - which is at best a false dichotomy and at worst a not so veiled insult to those who fit neither category. I really dig ardour and I have faith that A3 will be a fantastic piece of software. I paid a subscription (though it recently lapsed) as much to use ardour2.x as in anticipation and support of ardour3.x. My anticipation comes equally from the fact that I've tried it out, and that Paul has been releasing teasers and responses to bugs in A2.x that it's all coming in A3 - some day! That's cool, I'm a patient guy, and really, I don't have an overpowering sense of entitlement in this situation. I get it that A3 is so far from finished (and was a little surprised at the CDM article that seemed to declare it almost done). But I, and I suspect many others, check in from time to time to see the state of things. I totally see Paul's concern, especially if mailing lists and forums get littered with a trail of bug reports that should be in mantis, potentially tainting the public image of a future product that is also potentially Paul's future livelihood. But the implication that my building A3 from svn will give some deeper understanding of the fluxness of things than if I choose to install a package because I have a spare fifteen minutes on a Sunday and want to check out the progress of software that I have a great desire to see succeed, is quite frankly, absurd. All that being said, merry Christmas or happy holidays or bah humbug, whichever suits. -Michael, from that subset of linux users that enjoys trying bleeding edge packages of many different software projects and doesn't cry if he gets cut from time to time. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 01:46:27 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:46:27 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:26 PM, michael noble wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> As for me I don't even ask _questions_ about A3. Gentoo pro-audio has >> an ebuild. I build it and play with it. I won't depend on it until 6 >> months after you say it's ready. In the meantime it's just something >> for me to play with. > > This seems to be one of the more sensible contributions here. Thank you Michael. - Mark From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 01:59:03 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 02:59:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs Message-ID: Nighty chaps! Yes it is almost 3am and I just had a small idea. It came to me, that instruments are not always, what they are generally made out to be. So here's my new Wurlitzer and a tiny little thing, I hope you enjoy it. It was just recorded on the spur of the moment. No metronome used, nothing. Basically, it just arrived and I played it unfiltered, just capturing the mood. :-) http://juliencoder.de/q/wurli.ogg Enjoy! Nighty night :-) Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From countfuzzball at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 02:18:50 2010 From: countfuzzball at gmail.com (Andrew C) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 02:18:50 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ahhhh, just what I needed to listen to before going to bed. Very nice and mellow, I love the sound of a good ol' wurli! Goodnight! Andrew. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Nighty chaps! > ?Yes it is almost 3am and I just had a small idea. It came to me, that > instruments are not always, what they are generally made out to be. So > here's my new Wurlitzer and a tiny little thing, I hope you enjoy it. It was > just recorded on the spur of the moment. No metronome used, nothing. > Basically, it just arrived and I played it unfiltered, just capturing the > mood. :-) > http://juliencoder.de/q/wurli.ogg > ?Enjoy! > ?Nighty night :-) > ? ? ? ? ?Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 22 02:19:40 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:19:40 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:26 PM, michael noble wrote: > I get it that A3 is so > far from finished (and was a little surprised at the CDM article that seemed > to declare it almost done). The CDM article was accurate in the sense that we are very close to an alpha release. If it wasn't December, it would probably happen by the end of this month. From leoave at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 02:19:42 2010 From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:19:42 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: here (Dec/21 18:16, California time) getting ready to go home, after another working day ................. your play and sound was beautiful, actually a played it in a loop for several minutes so, thanks for sharing Julien. Leo On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Nighty chaps! > Yes it is almost 3am and I just had a small idea. It came to me, that > instruments are not always, what they are generally made out to be. So > here's my new Wurlitzer and a tiny little thing, I hope you enjoy it. It was > just recorded on the spur of the moment. No metronome used, nothing. > Basically, it just arrived and I played it unfiltered, just capturing the > mood. :-) > http://juliencoder.de/q/wurli.ogg > Enjoy! > Nighty night :-) > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From batzman-lau at all-electric.com Wed Dec 22 02:27:32 2010 From: batzman-lau at all-electric.com (Batz) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:57:32 +1030 Subject: [LAU] parting is such sweet horror. In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> Y-ellow All. I'd just like to wish all, well wishes for the season. I'm off for three weeks of touring the country side. But I will be back to annoy you all about this sampler project in the new year no doubt. As annoying as Glenn Beck doing a strippergram at a bucks night. With your help I've come a long way but there is a long way to go. So thanks to all. I'm very much appreciative. And I'll return to play the part of the thorny noob in the new year. That assumes that the Trent 900s I will be risking my life to, don't fall out of the sky. Be absolutely icebox. _ __ _ | "_ \ | | batzman-lau at all-electric.com | |_)/ __ _| |_ ____ _-_|\ | _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \ | |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/ |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / v / ,__ Goodfortune |_____| http://all-electric.com From ngoonee at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 04:07:56 2010 From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:07:56 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <1292990876.29615.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 21:19 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:26 PM, michael noble wrote: > > I get it that A3 is so > > far from finished (and was a little surprised at the CDM article that seemed > > to declare it almost done). > > The CDM article was accurate in the sense that we are very close to an > alpha release. If it wasn't December, it would probably happen by the > end of this month. That's terrific news. Thanks Paul (and all the others who are contributing) for this terrific piece of software, and the vision to continue taking it forward. From gwenhwyfaer at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 04:44:53 2010 From: gwenhwyfaer at gmail.com (Gwenhwyfaer) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:44:53 +0000 Subject: [LAU] parting is such sweet horror. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: On 22/12/2010, Batz wrote: > As annoying as > Glenn Beck doing a strippergram at a bucks night. ...you mean "utterly excruciating, but worth it for the blackmail potential"? ;) From nielsmayer at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 06:10:07 2010 From: nielsmayer at gmail.com (Niels Mayer) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also costs a lot. http://www.jensen-transformers.com/an/Audio%20Transformers%20Chapter.pdf Audio Transformers - Bill Whitlock Chapter 11 (3MB PDF) From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Dec 22 06:55:12 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:55:12 -1000 Subject: [LAU] parting is such sweet horror. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: <4D11A0D0.5060402@hawaii.rr.com> Batz wrote: > Y-ellow All. > I'd just like to wish all, well wishes for the season. I'm off > for three weeks of touring the country side. But I will be back to annoy > you all about this sampler project in the new year no doubt. As annoying > as Glenn Beck doing a strippergram at a bucks night. That's not annoying. That's gross! ;-) -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From f.rech at yahoo.fr Wed Dec 22 07:18:12 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:18:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012211915.45000.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012211915.45000.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: <4D11A634.1080901@yahoo.fr> Le 22/12/2010 01:15, drew Roberts a ?crit : > On Tuesday 21 December 2010 14:43:16 Mark Knecht wrote: > >> As Ardour matures it certainly becomes important that you don't allow >> people to damage the brand you've created here. >> > Interesting thought... Should the pre-alpha stuff be developed at a different > site? Under a different name? With the needed name change at alpha... Or even > beta? > Oh yeah, and maybe Paul could rent some office in the pentagone, to be quiet ? > all the best, > > drew > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > From louigi.verona at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 07:25:28 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:25:28 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <4D11A634.1080901@yahoo.fr> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012211915.45000.zotz@100jamz.com> <4D11A634.1080901@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: Maybe I don't understand something, but if you want to develop a product and let the public only see the final version, you just don't reveal the code until it's done. If the code is revealed.... what can you do? -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Dec 22 07:49:26 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:49:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101222074926.32008923@debian> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 Niels Mayer wrote: > Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio > transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so > much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also > costs a lot. I think some people are totally missing the point. The O/P has already said he doesn't want to spend a lot of money as the kit he's connecting to is only of moderate quality. I don't know if the links I suggested to Ken are any good (whether he's able to buy from those people) but I asked 'someone who knows'(tm) about these things and was told that the 'Oxford' transformers are more than adequate for the job. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From f.rech at yahoo.fr Wed Dec 22 07:54:03 2010 From: f.rech at yahoo.fr (fred) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:54:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D11AE9B.5010104@yahoo.fr> Le 22/12/2010 02:59, Julien Claassen a ?crit : > Nighty chaps! > Yes it is almost 3am and I just had a small idea. It came to me, > that instruments are not always, what they are generally made out to > be. So here's my new Wurlitzer and a tiny little thing, I hope you > enjoy it. Thanks for sharing this Julien. Nice playing, good feeling and sound. I particulary enjoy around 2 minutes when you play on the left side of keyboard, and at the end this little moment of suspending before finish give something really fine to the piece. From looplog at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 08:32:09 2010 From: looplog at gmail.com (michael noble) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:32:09 +0900 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012211915.45000.zotz@100jamz.com> <4D11A634.1080901@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: > Maybe I don't understand something, but if you want to develop a product > and let the public only see the final version, you just don't reveal the > code until it's done. If the code is revealed.... what can you do? The issue as I see it, if there is an issue, is not with the code being revealed. The code is open I would guess to encourage constructive contributions. The issue is whether any form of packaging will lead to users who will not provide constructive contributions, and in fact may potentially provide destructive contributions in the form of unwanted bug reports that create a public image of flawed software before it is officially released. I can see that it is perhaps a kind of pre-emptive damage control being performed by unequivocally taking a stand on packaging - if people are willing to read the build instructions they are also probably more likely to read instructions on how to properly report bugs in a way that will help the developers. So I accept the logic behind the stand, though perhaps not the vehemence of the stand to the point of using language like "appalling", a word I would reserve for the atrocities of war. Personally, knowing now that the alpha is so close, I'm inclined to let the Ardour team state whatever desires they like if it'll make the alpha testing phase come around faster. As such, I promise to say no more on this... -michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 09:20:55 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:20:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Leo! Thanks, I'm glad you liked it, even if it's not late night. :-) Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 09:21:50 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:21:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Morning Andrew! Thank you for the kind words. Good to hear, that you like a good ol' Wurli. :-) I suppose you haven't heard the last of that one. :-) Best wishes Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From ngoonee at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 09:40:47 2010 From: ngoonee at gmail.com (Ng Oon-Ee) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:40:47 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012211915.45000.zotz@100jamz.com> <4D11A634.1080901@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <1293010847.31463.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 10:25 +0300, Louigi Verona wrote: > Maybe I don't understand something, but if you want to develop a product and > let the public only see the final version, you just don't reveal the code > until it's done. If the code is revealed.... what can you do? Open source presumes an amount of respect between software authors and their users, as well as an openness from software developers that would never be allowed in more business-orientated companies. Part of the attraction of Ardour (and Paul) is this aspect of the software, above and beyond the considerable technical merits. From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 22 10:13:46 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:13:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> On 2010-12-22 02:59, Julien Claassen wrote: > Nighty chaps! > Yes it is almost 3am and I just had a small idea. Very nice! The wurlitzer sounds cool, but I think some effect (esp reverb or delay) would make it sound even better... -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 10:21:46 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:21:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> References: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> Message-ID: Hello Atte! Thanks. but I decided against effects by design. I think it's a feeling of needing to go back to the routes, from ever more complex processing and pollishing. :-) Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 22 11:09:45 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:09:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D11DC79.70609@email.dk> On 2010-12-22 11:21, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Atte! > Thanks. but I decided against effects by design. I think it's a feeling > of needing to go back to the routes, from ever more complex processing > and pollishing. :-) I understand what you're saying (even before you said it). Still one could argue that an electro-accoustic instrument like the wurlitzer is actually just a sound (a nice one though) that seems a little artificial when not placed in some kind of room. Even the most beautiful voice would need *some* processing. It could be done without the listener really noticing (so I'm not talking about a big wash of reverb here), but without fx it's as natural sounding as having your ear 5cm from the singers mouth in a sound-dead (that's not the english word, sorry) room. But, as I said, it's still nice as is :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 22 11:19:25 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:19:25 +0100 Subject: [LAU] gnome volume control stopped working Message-ID: <4D11DEBD.7060905@email.dk> Hi I run gnome and have redefined the keyboard shortcuts to C-A-PageUp/Down. This have worked well for years. However the other day they stopped working. The OSD is still reporting the correct volume setting, but it's like there's no connection from this information to the master of gnome-alsamixer. Any ideas what could be done? -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 11:23:56 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:23:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: <4D11DC79.70609@email.dk> References: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> <4D11DC79.70609@email.dk> Message-ID: Hello Atte! Maybe I'll do another version of this and then I certainly will use some subtle effects, but also probably a bit of soft accompaniment. Maybe a virtual trio. :-) Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From ronaldjstewart at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 11:27:05 2010 From: ronaldjstewart at gmail.com (Ronald Stewart) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 03:27:05 -0800 Subject: [LAU] I know my posts rarely make it through but this one should - Thanks Linux!!! Message-ID: http://www.trinityaudiogroup.com/Beta_Program_Final.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Batz wrote: > With your help I've come a long way but there is a long way to go. So thanks > to all. I'm very much appreciative. And I'll return to play the part of the > thorny noob in the new year. That assumes that the Trent 900s I will be > risking my life to, don't fall out of the sky. Batz - Happy Holidays to you! glad to have you on the list, I always enjoy your posts. most importantly, I'm thinking about adopting your name as my stage name :) have a good trip! -- Josh Lawrence www.hardbop200.com From allcoms at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 17:47:03 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:47:03 +0000 Subject: [LAU] parting is such sweet horror. In-Reply-To: References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Batz > wrote: > > With your help I've come a long way but there is a long way to go. So > thanks > > to all. I'm very much appreciative. And I'll return to play the part of > the > > thorny noob in the new year. That assumes that the Trent 900s I will be > > risking my life to, don't fall out of the sky. > > Batz - Happy Holidays to you! glad to have you on the list, I always > enjoy your posts. most importantly, I'm thinking about adopting your > name as my stage name :) > I thought I had that idea first - you might beat me to it now! Noooooo!! Batz could end up being the new Elvis but for people adopting his name rather than impersonating him!? We may not have that shiny Ardour 3 alpha tarball under the tree in time for xmas but, unlike Santa kids, Ardour 3 is real, doesn't drink your liquor in the night and will be bringing audio presents more than just one night a year pretty soon so lets give poor Paul a break for christmas! Have an icebox holiday season Linux audio land and friends/family! ;) Batz Goodtidings II -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 18:02:51 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:02:51 -0800 Subject: [LAU] parting is such sweet horror. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> <4D10B6F4.9090001@woh.rr.com> <201012211222.43284.capoeirista@arcor.de> <4D10C793.6070904@woh.rr.com> <1292945951-sup-242@eris> <20101221185626.GC19978@aieee.restivo.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20101222125139.033a6650@mail.all-electric.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Batz wrote: > Y-ellow All. > ? ? ? ?I'd just like to wish all, well wishes for the season. I'm off for > three weeks of touring the country side. But I will be back to annoy you all > about this sampler project in the new year no doubt. As annoying as Glenn > Beck doing a strippergram at a bucks night. > > With your help I've come a long way but there is a long way to go. So thanks > to all. I'm very much appreciative. And I'll return to play the part of the > thorny noob in the new year. That assumes that the Trent 900s I will be > risking my life to, don't fall out of the sky. > > Be absolutely icebox. > > ?_ __ ? ? ? ?_ > | "_ \ ? ? ?| | ? ? ? ? batzman-lau at all-electric.com > | |_)/ ?__ _| |_ ____ ? ? ? ? ? ?_-_|\ > | ?_ \ / _` | __|___ | ? ? ? ? ?/ ? ? \ > | |_) | (_| | |_ ?/ / ? ? ? ? ? \_.-*_/ > |_,__/ \__,_|\__|/ / ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? v > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ ,__ > Goodfortune ? ?|_____| ? http://all-electric.com Happy New Year to you also. Cheers, Mark From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 18:38:10 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:38:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: <4D11E0B3.8040208@email.dk> References: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> <4D11DC79.70609@email.dk> <4D11E0B3.8040208@email.dk> Message-ID: Hey Atte! Whatdid Bill Evans do? Recording the virtual trio? Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 22 18:45:56 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:45:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> <4D11DC79.70609@email.dk> <4D11E0B3.8040208@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D124764.7090404@email.dk> On 2010-12-22 19:38, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hey Atte! > Whatdid Bill Evans do? Recording the virtual trio? Recorded three layers of overdubs with himself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_With_Myself -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 18:50:50 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:50:50 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: <4D124764.7090404@email.dk> References: <4D11CF5A.90905@email.dk> <4D11DC79.70609@email.dk> <4D11E0B3.8040208@email.dk> <4D124764.7090404@email.dk> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Recorded three layers of overdubs with himself... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_With_Myself what an awesome album... -- Josh Lawrence www.hardbop200.com From nielsmayer at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 19:32:22 2010 From: nielsmayer at gmail.com (Niels Mayer) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:32:22 -0800 Subject: [LAU] sunvox for n900? nice handheld music maker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another one I need to check out, especially because it's a "Qt Quick" app and I'm learning QML (already know javascript quite well, so it's outrageously easy to build UIs on the desktop and have them running on my n900 in a few minutes). http://projects.forum.nokia.com/turntable by Seppo Pakarinen and "Kratsan". Qt Quick example demonstrating integration of Qt audio interfaces by a scratchable turntable and drum machine where you may create your own beats. Dj Turntable is a Qt Quick application that allows user to scratch audio with the turntable and play predefined background beats or create his / her own beats with the drum machine. The purpose of the application is to demonstrate integration of Qt Quick and Qt Mobility audio interface. ... The application has been tested with the Nokia N8 and Nokia E7 devices and it is compatible with Qt 4.7.1 and Qt Mobility 1.1. -- Niels http://nielsmayer.com From ico at vt.edu Wed Dec 22 19:37:23 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (ico at vt.edu) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:37:23 -0500 Subject: [LAU] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time Message-ID: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Hi all, I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late. Namely, I am dealing with a project where (at least as of right now) I would like to explore human whisper and its percussive/rhythmic power. This would take place in an ensemble of "voices." I am also looking to combine whisper with some sort of DSP. Obviously vocoder comes as one of the obvious choices but it sounds IMHO cliche and as a result I would like to avoid it as much as possible (unless I can somehow come up with a cool spin on it which I haven't yet). I also tried amp mod, additive, filtering, etc., but none of these struck me as something interesting. I do think delays will be fine in terms of "punctuating" the overall pattern but I think this should take place at the end of the DSP chain. Granular synthesis is also a consideration but I've done so much of it over the past years I am hoping to do something different. So, as of right now I have: 1) whisper 2) ??? 3) delays 4) profit! :-) Given the mental constipation I have been battling particularly over the past couple of days, I wanted to turn to you my fellow LA* enthusiasts for some thoughts/ideas/inspiration. Your help would be most appreciated and I will gladly credit your ideas in the final piece. Many thanks! Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound and Intermedia Studio Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico.bukvic.net From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 19:57:06 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:57:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: Hello Ico! why not go for praat? Praat offers many voices related functions. You can use the easy, funny bits, like changing speaker/gender or I believe trace different melodies, if there are any to find. You could I think move the formant filters. A very interesting tool to work with voices. It has a GUI, but you can also use a simple script language, if you want to do something clever, based on algorythms. The results are very living, very close to a real voice, if you want them that way. I liked it, because it didn't sound so obviously synthesized. Hope that helps. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From atte at email.dk Wed Dec 22 20:05:55 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:05:55 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4D125A23.6040405@email.dk> On 2010-12-22 20:57, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Ico! > why not go for praat? Praat offers many voices related functions. You > can use the easy, funny bits, like changing speaker/gender or I believe > trace different melodies, if there are any to find. You could I think > move the formant filters. A very interesting tool to work with voices. > It has a GUI, but you can also use a simple script language, if you want > to do something clever, based on algorythms. The results are very > living, very close to a real voice, if you want them that way. I liked > it, because it didn't sound so obviously synthesized. Sounds like something I *have* to try out! Fired it up, looks scaring, seems it's exclusively for offline processing. Couldn't even find a "load .wav" anywhere. Will dig in, though. Thanks for the review! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From ico at vt.edu Wed Dec 22 20:31:24 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:31:24 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <1293049884.3482.1.camel@monsoon> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 20:57 +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Ico! > why not go for praat? Praat offers many voices related functions. You can > use the easy, funny bits, like changing speaker/gender or I believe trace > different melodies, if there are any to find. You could I think move the > formant filters. A very interesting tool to work with voices. It has a GUI, > but you can also use a simple script language, if you want to do something > clever, based on algorythms. The results are very living, very close to a real > voice, if you want them that way. I liked it, because it didn't sound so > obviously synthesized. > Hope that helps. > Kindest regards > Julien Many thanks for the pointer Julien. This does look like a pretty cool app. Alas, unless I am missing something, this appears to be non-rt kind of app and as such it is a no-go for me. Best wishes, Ico From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 20:45:42 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:45:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <4D125A23.6040405@email.dk> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <4D125A23.6040405@email.dk> Message-ID: Hello Atte! I only use the script language, which is just menu commands and loading wav is something like: read from file WAV And yes it's offline processing only. It's intended for research in language and speakers. Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 22 20:47:16 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:47:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293049884.3482.1.camel@monsoon> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <1293049884.3482.1.camel@monsoon> Message-ID: Hello Ico! Oh sorry, in my hast to be helpful and finally be able to contribute something worthwhile to the world of clever computer music, I forgot the RT constraint. :-( Maybe for another occasion... Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From jeremy at autostatic.com Wed Dec 22 20:57:29 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:57:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <4D125A23.6040405@email.dk> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <4D125A23.6040405@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D126639.7050909@autostatic.com> On 12/22/2010 09:05 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-22 20:57, Julien Claassen wrote: >> Hello Ico! >> why not go for praat? Praat offers many voices related functions. You >> can use the easy, funny bits, like changing speaker/gender or I believe >> trace different melodies, if there are any to find. You could I think >> move the formant filters. A very interesting tool to work with voices. >> It has a GUI, but you can also use a simple script language, if you want >> to do something clever, based on algorythms. The results are very >> living, very close to a real voice, if you want them that way. I liked >> it, because it didn't sound so obviously synthesized. > > Sounds like something I *have* to try out! Fired it up, looks scaring, > seems it's exclusively for offline processing. Couldn't even find a > "load .wav" anywhere. > > Will dig in, though. Thanks for the review! > A little OT. Praat is cool, just for being one of the very few, if not the only open source project that is being developed at the faculty where I work. I even think it's the only department of my faculty where they use Linux on a daily basis (apart from two of my direct colleagues and myself). So props to them :) Enough OT. Best, Jeremy From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Dec 22 22:30:42 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:30:42 -0800 Subject: [LAU] q: percussion piece Message-ID: <4D127C12.6000308@anechoicmedia.com> I'm working on a percussion piece where I've generated the score by hand, then had a percussionist perform all three parts (instruments) of the piece into a midi file. I've got a library of around one hundred or so samples I designed that I want to experiment with i.e. arbitrarily select samples to play in order to build a little percussion ensemble for the piece. What I'd like to do is have ONE program (if possible) where I can import the .mid file, create a multi-sample instrument (yes like a drum kit) and assign any of my percussion samples to the key/note being played where I can tune, pan and adjust volume for each key/note. I'd prefer to do it all 'under one roof' if at all possible. I looked into LMMS but don't think it really does what I need it to -- besides, the LMMS documentation is very poor - so it turned me off to researching it further. Can any one point me to a simple one app does all environment on Linux where I can simply import a mid file and make a multi-sample instrument? I haven't worked with midi since my Silicon Valley days so I haven't been paying much attention to midi tools in Linux. Any help is appreciated. thanks in advance! KIM From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Dec 22 22:46:28 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:46:28 +0000 Subject: [LAU] q: percussion piece In-Reply-To: <4D127C12.6000308@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D127C12.6000308@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <20101222224628.686ff5cb@debian> On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:30:42 -0800 Kim Cascone wrote: > I'm working on a percussion piece where I've generated the score by > hand, then had a percussionist perform all three parts (instruments) of > the piece into a midi file. > > I've got a library of around one hundred or so samples I designed that I > want to experiment with i.e. arbitrarily select samples to play in order > to build a little percussion ensemble for the piece. > > What I'd like to do is have ONE program (if possible) where I can import > the .mid file, create a multi-sample instrument (yes like a drum kit) > and assign any of my percussion samples to the key/note being played > where I can tune, pan and adjust volume for each key/note. > > I'd prefer to do it all 'under one roof' if at all possible. > > I looked into LMMS but don't think it really does what I need it to -- > besides, the LMMS documentation is very poor - so it turned me off to > researching it further. > > Can any one point me to a simple one app does all environment on Linux > where I can simply import a mid file and make a multi-sample instrument? > > I haven't worked with midi since my Silicon Valley days so I haven't > been paying much attention to midi tools in Linux. Any help is appreciated. > > thanks in advance! > KIM Why does it have to be *one* App? The most natural arrangement I can think of would be to load the MIDI into Rosegarden and link to Hydrogen, for which you can create drumkits from your samples. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From oget.fedora at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 23:38:00 2010 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:38:00 -0500 Subject: [LAU] q: percussion piece In-Reply-To: <4D127C12.6000308@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D127C12.6000308@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I'm working on a percussion piece where I've generated the score by hand, > then had a percussionist perform all three parts (instruments) of the piece > into a midi file. > > I've got a library of around one hundred or so samples I designed that I > want to experiment with i.e. arbitrarily select samples to play in order to > build a little percussion ensemble for the piece. > > What I'd like to do is have ONE program (if possible) where I can import the > .mid file, create a multi-sample instrument (yes like a drum kit) and assign > any of my percussion samples to the key/note being played where I can tune, > pan and adjust volume for each key/note. > > I'd prefer to do it all 'under one roof' if at all possible. > > I looked into LMMS but don't think it really does what I need it to -- > besides, the LMMS documentation is very poor - so it turned me off to > researching it further. > > Can any one point me to a simple one app does all environment on Linux where > I can simply import a mid file and make a multi-sample instrument? > muse can do pretty much all of that. http://muse-sequencer.org/ I recommend checking out the muse2 SVN branch. Or you can combine hydrogen with muse, or with rosegarden. http://www.hydrogen-music.org/ http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Best, Orcan From hollunder at lavabit.com Wed Dec 22 23:54:35 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:54:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <4D126639.7050909@autostatic.com> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <4D125A23.6040405@email.dk> <4D126639.7050909@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <1293062016-sup-8025@eris> Excerpts from Jeremy Jongepier's message of 2010-12-22 21:57:29 +0100: > On 12/22/2010 09:05 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > On 2010-12-22 20:57, Julien Claassen wrote: > >> Hello Ico! > >> why not go for praat? Praat offers many voices related functions. You > >> can use the easy, funny bits, like changing speaker/gender or I believe > >> trace different melodies, if there are any to find. You could I think > >> move the formant filters. A very interesting tool to work with voices. > >> It has a GUI, but you can also use a simple script language, if you want > >> to do something clever, based on algorythms. The results are very > >> living, very close to a real voice, if you want them that way. I liked > >> it, because it didn't sound so obviously synthesized. > > > > Sounds like something I *have* to try out! Fired it up, looks scaring, > > seems it's exclusively for offline processing. Couldn't even find a > > "load .wav" anywhere. > > > > Will dig in, though. Thanks for the review! > > > > A little OT. > > Praat is cool, just for being one of the very few, if not the only open > source project that is being developed at the faculty where I work. I > even think it's the only department of my faculty where they use Linux > on a daily basis (apart from two of my direct colleagues and myself). So > props to them :) > > Enough OT. > > Best, > > Jeremy Too bad the binary doesn't run (and building is quite hard as well, as far as I remember) From hollunder at lavabit.com Wed Dec 22 23:58:06 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:58:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <1293062096-sup-9701@eris> Excerpts from ico's message of 2010-12-22 20:37:23 +0100: > Hi all, > > I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late. Namely, I am > dealing with a project where (at least as of right now) I would like to explore > human whisper and its percussive/rhythmic power. This would take place in an > ensemble of "voices." I am also looking to combine whisper with some sort of > DSP. Obviously vocoder comes as one of the obvious choices but it sounds IMHO > cliche and as a result I would like to avoid it as much as possible (unless I > can somehow come up with a cool spin on it which I haven't yet). I also tried > amp mod, additive, filtering, etc., but none of these struck me as something > interesting. I do think delays will be fine in terms of "punctuating" the > overall pattern but I think this should take place at the end of the DSP chain. > Granular synthesis is also a consideration but I've done so much of it over the > past years I am hoping to do something different. > > So, as of right now I have: > > 1) whisper > 2) ??? > 3) delays > 4) profit! :-) > > Given the mental constipation I have been battling particularly over the past > couple of days, I wanted to turn to you my fellow LA* enthusiasts for some > thoughts/ideas/inspiration. Your help would be most appreciated and I will > gladly credit your ideas in the final piece. > > Many thanks! > > Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. > Composition, Music Technology > Director, DISIS Interactive Sound and Intermedia Studio > Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD > CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) > Virginia Tech > Department of Music > Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 > (540) 231-6139 > (540) 231-5034 (fax) > ico.bukvic.net For me the obvious thing to do would be something spatial. Imagine whispering all around you, different voices, moving, saying strange things. Quite cliche too, but I imagine it could also be a lot of fun. On a sidenote, I'd like to do the same thing with birds. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Dec 23 00:33:50 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:33:50 -0500 Subject: [LAU] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4D1298EE.2090201@woh.rr.com> ico at vt.edu wrote: > > I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late... > Hi Ico, FreqTweak might be fun. And of course many possibilities are available with Csound, in realtime. Check out some of Ian MCurdy's stuff: http://iainmccurdy.org/csound.html ImproSculpt could be helpful too. Best, dp From julien at c-lab.de Thu Dec 23 00:35:26 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:35:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Some christmassy music Message-ID: Hello all! Yes even me. But only because I'm practising anyway. So here we go: http://juliencoder.de/jb/xmas_10 there are both ogg and mp3 files present. All are tagged. Warm regards Julien P.S.: I think I'll upload the rest tomorrow. Same songs (mostly) but this time recorded close to. -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From ico at vt.edu Thu Dec 23 01:58:49 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:58:49 -0500 Subject: [LAU] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <4D1298EE.2090201@woh.rr.com> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <4D1298EE.2090201@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1293069529.21096.5.camel@monsoon> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 19:33 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > ico at vt.edu wrote: > > > > I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late... > > > > Hi Ico, > > FreqTweak might be fun. > > And of course many possibilities are available with Csound, in realtime. > Check out some of Ian MCurdy's stuff: > > http://iainmccurdy.org/csound.html > > ImproSculpt could be helpful too. > > Best, > > dp What a great idea! Many thanks Dave for the suggestion! Really appreciate it. BTW, (in response to some of the other helpful replies) I am using Pd for this one and spatialization is a given considering this is for L2Ork where every performer has its own hemi speaker ;-) Speaking of Pd, anyone has a working spectral delay implementation inside Pd? It's no biggie--I think I can muster one (at least the basic concept), just trying to avoid reinventing of the wheel, so to say. Once again, many thanks all for your suggestions. Please keep'em coming :-) Best wishes, Ico From ivan_521521 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 02:59:04 2010 From: ivan_521521 at yahoo.com (Ivan K) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:59:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D0B7B4A.6090102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I was surprised to hear that so many people write their audio files to a second drive. I always thought that most audio people preferred as few drives as possible in a system to keep noise down. On a somewhat related topic, is there a brand of SATA drive that people recommend as far as reliability, speed, and low noise? Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, would a 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) than a 1 TB drive? (I really would not need a full TB anyways). P.S. My current Seagate 76GB SCSI drive just died and rather continue to buy SCSI and buy high priced drives that are smaller compared to the recent SATA drives available, I thought I would buy a SATA for my current system as well as an new system this time. From ico at vt.edu Thu Dec 23 03:18:12 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:18:12 -0500 Subject: [LAU] ANN: Pd-l2ork 20101222 snapshot now available Message-ID: <1293074292.3365.3.camel@monsoon> Changes include: *made resize handle smaller to limit obstruction of smaller gui objects *added update of scrollbars upon creation of a new object *fixed scrollbar update regression when typing *fixed cords not showing up on top of objects when objects are first created and placed *added auto-resizing to text objects so that outlets never overlap (this does not affect gop patches as it is assumed one wishes to keep the gop size specific) The site now includes instructions also for dev package (latest dev package is still uploading, should be posted sometime tomorrow), as well as comprehensive changelog. http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Cheers! Ico From capoeirista at arcor.de Thu Dec 23 03:47:59 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:47:59 -0200 Subject: [LAU] DIY messurement-mic Message-ID: <201012230148.01051.capoeirista@arcor.de> I have a Panasonic W61 capsul here, famous for having flat frquency response. used for example in the Behringer C8000 (don't remember the correct model number) in fact it came in a cheap mic I bought only to have the capsul: http://www.leson.com.br/v1/produtos/microfones/index.php?pro_id=133&cat_id=14 problem is its an unbalanced circuit using a 1,5V baterie. I want to make it work balanced and with phantom power there is a famous project of a pre-amp circuit called P93: http://s1.postimage.org/5m4edvc6m/p93_f6.gif but since I have a preamp I'm asking myself if it wouldn't be sufficiant to use a t-power circuit. what would be the disatvantage? sure, it would come with less gain to the pre, but would that mean more/too-much noise? 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URL: From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 23 06:08:24 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:08:24 -1000 Subject: [LAU] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293062096-sup-9701@eris> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <1293062096-sup-9701@eris> Message-ID: <4D12E758.2050608@hawaii.rr.com> Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Excerpts from ico's message of 2010-12-22 20:37:23 +0100: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late. Namely, I am >> dealing with a project where (at least as of right now) I would like to explore >> human whisper and its percussive/rhythmic power. This would take place in an >> ensemble of "voices." I am also looking to combine whisper with some sort of >> DSP. Obviously vocoder comes as one of the obvious choices but it sounds IMHO >> cliche and as a result I would like to avoid it as much as possible (unless I >> can somehow come up with a cool spin on it which I haven't yet). I also tried >> amp mod, additive, filtering, etc., but none of these struck me as something >> interesting. I do think delays will be fine in terms of "punctuating" the >> overall pattern but I think this should take place at the end of the DSP chain. >> Granular synthesis is also a consideration but I've done so much of it over the >> past years I am hoping to do something different. >> >> So, as of right now I have: >> >> 1) whisper >> 2) ??? >> 3) delays >> 4) profit! :-) >> >> Given the mental constipation I have been battling particularly over the past >> couple of days, I wanted to turn to you my fellow LA* enthusiasts for some >> thoughts/ideas/inspiration. Your help would be most appreciated and I will >> gladly credit your ideas in the final piece. >> >> Many thanks! > > For me the obvious thing to do would be something spatial. Imagine > whispering all around you, different voices, moving, saying strange > things. > Quite cliche too, but I imagine it could also be a lot of fun. That would be very interesting using ambisonics. Would make a neat soundtrack for a mysterious magical ritual or such. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 23 06:42:57 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:42:57 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> Ivan K wrote: > I was surprised to hear that so many people write their audio > files to a second drive. I always thought that most audio > people preferred as few drives as possible in a system to keep > noise down. > > On a somewhat related topic, is there a brand of SATA drive > that people recommend as far as reliability, speed, and low noise? > Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, > would a 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) > than a 1 TB drive? (I really would not need a full TB anyways). I saw a 1TB drive for sale at NewEgg for $59. Does it matter if you don't need a full TB??? Don't know about noise. There are "green" drive models that have a "reduced noise" setting, but I think it usually entails reducing the drive speed, I think. I don't think drive size has any impact on speed. Newer drives tend to be faster than the previous models, I think. Also, the larger drives may come with larger on-board caches. Largest drive I have here is 1TB (split into 2 500GB paritions), the only time I notice the size is when the system decides its time to fsck the drive. ;-) Brands? I like Hitachi and Western Digital. Toshiba for notebook drives. I've also had good results from IBM and Seagate. I've only had 2 drives fail on me. Both very old Seagates. The oldest failed after being used for about 10 years. The newer one died during its first year, was replaced under warranty, then died again about 18 months later. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From faber at faberman.de Thu Dec 23 07:09:02 2010 From: faber at faberman.de (Florian Faber) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:09:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D12F58E.2060402@faberman.de> On 12/23/10 07:42, david wrote: > Ivan K wrote: >> On a somewhat related topic, is there a brand of SATA drive >> that people recommend as far as reliability, speed, and low noise? >> Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, >> would a 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) >> than a 1 TB drive? (I really would not need a full TB anyways). If you are concerned about heat & noise, consider a 2.5" drive. > I don't think drive size has any impact on speed. Newer drives tend to > be faster than the previous models, I think. Also, the larger drives may > come with larger on-board caches. The higher the density, the higher the number of bits read per time. So drive size (~density because you can only use a certain number of platters) has a direct corelation with throughput. Flo -- Machines can do the work, so people have time to think. public key DA43FEF4 x-hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net From lsutton at libero.it Thu Dec 23 09:32:19 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:32:19 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4D131723.5070103@libero.it> Hi, -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time From: ico at vt.edu To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org, linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org Date: 22/12/10 20:37 > Hi all, > > I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late. Namely, I am > dealing with a project where (at least as of right now) I would like to explore > human whisper and its percussive/rhythmic power. IMHO granulation might also be interesting... Lorenzo. > This would take place in an > ensemble of "voices." I am also looking to combine whisper with some sort of > DSP. Obviously vocoder comes as one of the obvious choices but it sounds IMHO > cliche and as a result I would like to avoid it as much as possible (unless I > can somehow come up with a cool spin on it which I haven't yet). I also tried > amp mod, additive, filtering, etc., but none of these struck me as something > interesting. I do think delays will be fine in terms of "punctuating" the > overall pattern but I think this should take place at the end of the DSP chain. > Granular synthesis is also a consideration but I've done so much of it over the > past years I am hoping to do something different. > > So, as of right now I have: > > 1) whisper > 2) ??? > 3) delays > 4) profit! :-) > > Given the mental constipation I have been battling particularly over the past > couple of days, I wanted to turn to you my fellow LA* enthusiasts for some > thoughts/ideas/inspiration. Your help would be most appreciated and I will > gladly credit your ideas in the final piece. > > Many thanks! > > Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. > Composition, Music Technology > Director, DISIS Interactive Sound and Intermedia Studio > Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD > CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) > Virginia Tech > Department of Music > Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 > (540) 231-6139 > (540) 231-5034 (fax) > ico.bukvic.net > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-dev mailing list > Linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev > From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 23 10:09:02 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:09:02 -1000 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> Message-ID: <4D131FBE.4080508@hawaii.rr.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Today it's the 4th sunday of advent. I've made a new version of the > danish christmas carol "en rose s? jeg skyde". It might require a bit > more patience than the latest handful of tunes I did, hope you reset > your expectations and enjoy! > > http://music.modlys.dk/track/en-rose-s-jeg-skyde > http://atte.dk/download/en_rose_saa_jeg_skyde.mp3 Finally listening to this, on headphones. Didn't require any patience! I don't understand a word of Danish (ascribe it to my being American) but the song opens and sounds like music on anime soundtracks. I like being able to hear the words as sounds, rather than as meanings. I like the spaciousness. It sounds like the sound field is not just front and side but wrapped around a bit to the back. When the percussion comes in, it sounds like you somehow added some crunch to the percussion sounds? -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 23 10:24:32 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:24:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] =?iso-8859-1?q?Music_made_with_linux=3A_Modlys_-_en_rose_s?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_jeg_skyde?= In-Reply-To: <4D131FBE.4080508@hawaii.rr.com> References: <4D0D3D22.2060103@email.dk> <4D131FBE.4080508@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D132360.2050306@email.dk> On 2010-12-23 11:09, david wrote: > Finally listening to this, on headphones. Didn't require any patience! That might be a good thing... > I don't understand a word of Danish (ascribe it to my being American) > but the song opens and sounds like music on anime soundtracks. I like > being able to hear the words as sounds, rather than as meanings. > > I like the spaciousness. It sounds like the sound field is not just > front and side but wrapped around a bit to the back. Thanks for listening! > When the percussion comes in, it sounds like you somehow added some > crunch to the percussion sounds? That's right! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From arnold at arnoldarts.de Thu Dec 23 11:21:30 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:21:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201012231221.37056.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Thursday 23 December 2010 03:59:04 Ivan K wrote: > I was surprised to hear that so many people write their audio > files to a second drive. I always thought that most audio > people preferred as few drives as possible in a system to keep > noise down. > > On a somewhat related topic, is there a brand of SATA drive > that people recommend as far as reliability, speed, and low noise? I get good rates with 5400rpm disks while they still have low noise. > Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, > would a 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) > than a 1 TB drive? (I really would not need a full TB anyways). Yes, and 640KB ought to be enough for everybody. Stop fooling yourself. The difference in price between 500G and 1.5TB is less then the difference in size. Once you have the disk-space, you will find some use for it... Have fun and a merry Christmas, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From hollunder at lavabit.com Thu Dec 23 12:02:49 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:02:49 +0100 Subject: [LAU] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <4D12E758.2050608@hawaii.rr.com> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <1293062096-sup-9701@eris> <4D12E758.2050608@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <1293105554-sup-6659@eris> Excerpts from david's message of 2010-12-23 07:08:24 +0100: > Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > Excerpts from ico's message of 2010-12-22 20:37:23 +0100: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late. Namely, I am > >> dealing with a project where (at least as of right now) I would like to explore > >> human whisper and its percussive/rhythmic power. This would take place in an > >> ensemble of "voices." I am also looking to combine whisper with some sort of > >> DSP. Obviously vocoder comes as one of the obvious choices but it sounds IMHO > >> cliche and as a result I would like to avoid it as much as possible (unless I > >> can somehow come up with a cool spin on it which I haven't yet). I also tried > >> amp mod, additive, filtering, etc., but none of these struck me as something > >> interesting. I do think delays will be fine in terms of "punctuating" the > >> overall pattern but I think this should take place at the end of the DSP chain. > >> Granular synthesis is also a consideration but I've done so much of it over the > >> past years I am hoping to do something different. > >> > >> So, as of right now I have: > >> > >> 1) whisper > >> 2) ??? > >> 3) delays > >> 4) profit! :-) > >> > >> Given the mental constipation I have been battling particularly over the past > >> couple of days, I wanted to turn to you my fellow LA* enthusiasts for some > >> thoughts/ideas/inspiration. Your help would be most appreciated and I will > >> gladly credit your ideas in the final piece. > >> > >> Many thanks! > > > > For me the obvious thing to do would be something spatial. Imagine > > whispering all around you, different voices, moving, saying strange > > things. > > Quite cliche too, but I imagine it could also be a lot of fun. > > That would be very interesting using ambisonics. Would make a neat > soundtrack for a mysterious magical ritual or such. Yes, that would be the cliche, but imagine them whispering funny stuff 'pancakes, give me pancakes', 'mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo', 'and then he said I wasn't pretty enough', 'a man and a doctor sit on a chair', ... From spamatica at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 13:34:45 2010 From: spamatica at gmail.com (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:34:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] MusE 2.0alpha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everybody, We have a present for you, a new release of MusE. The alpha indicates this is an early version so it's mainly - a teaser to spread the word. - an early adopters build. - to welcome developers who want to port MusE to other platforms. MusE has now been completely ported to the Qt4 architecture and we (mainly Tim and Orcan) are busy to make it even better than before, lots of gui stuff being reworked. MusE now also sports a new version of the DeicsOnze, DX11 emulating softsynth, up from version 0.2 to 1.0. The homepage has received a new look that we hope will give a better indication of what MusE is and does. Do visit http://muse-sequencer.org. The full changelog is available at: http://lmuse.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/lmuse/trunk/muse2/ChangeLog?revision=674 Find the download at: https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmuse/files/ Happy Holidays! The MusE Team -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smaller can sometimes mean faster, for instance if choosing a Seagate Momentus XT, which is 320 gigs, instead of a 1TB drive. The Momentus XT has a few gigs of flash cache onboard, and reviewers across all operating systems seem to be pretty favorable. > Brands? I like Hitachi and Western Digital. Toshiba for notebook drives. > I've also had good results from IBM and Seagate. I've only had 2 drives > fail on me. Both very old Seagates. The oldest failed after being used > for about 10 years. The newer one died during its first year, was > replaced under warranty, then died again about 18 months later. I've had drives of many brands fail, but usually old ones long past warranty. Currently, I favor Seagate and Western Digital. I don't know that I have a great reason for that. I certainly have had good Hitachi and Fujitsu drives. From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Dec 23 16:08:31 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:08:31 +0100 Subject: [LAU] q: percussion piece In-Reply-To: <4D127C12.6000308@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D127C12.6000308@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1373FF.8010902@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/22/2010 11:30 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > What I'd like to do is have ONE program (if possible) where I can import > the .mid file, create a multi-sample instrument (yes like a drum kit) > and assign any of my percussion samples to the key/note being played > where I can tune, pan and adjust volume for each key/note. not sure about the tuning, but otherwise, josh green's swami might fit the bill... From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 16:27:12 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:27:12 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <201012211519.54260.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <201012211519.54260.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: On 12/21/10, Fabio wrote: > whole discussion remebers me of my mom advising me not to eat from the pie > until it has colded down. She says, don't eat from it, you will get > stomache-ake (how do you say that?) It's called Bauchschmerzen :-P On 12/22/10, Louigi Verona wrote: > Maybe I don't understand something, but if you want to develop a product and > let the public only see the final version, you just don't reveal the code > until it's done. If the code is revealed.... what can you do? This opens a whole can of worms, you know :) The point of creating content production software is to make software that can be trusted with money. And that means stability. Nevertheless different approaches to development cycle and releasing exist and live on. You can combat unwanted distribution which is what e.g. Oxygen icon theme designers had to do in the days of KDE4 beta stage. Or you can turn the situation to your advance which is what e.g. Blender team does (http://www.graphicall.org/builds/). It simply boils down to specifics of every software project: how you plan development cycle, what changes are planned, how they relate to each other and how they can affect e.g. backwards compatibilty of project data or stability when used for real paid project, and of course there is a matter of personal preferences of developers. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org From rennabh at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 16:40:46 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:40:46 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] MusE 2.0alpha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101223174046.1106e575@gmail.com> On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:34:45 +0100 Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hello everybody, > > We have a present for you, a new release of MusE. Hello, a question: does "make DESTDIR=/mydir install" still work and installs everything to /mydir? Can't tell from the sources and don't want to find out the bad way... cheers renato From d_baron at 012.net.il Thu Dec 23 16:49:06 2010 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:49:06 +0200 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] MusE 2.0alpha In-Reply-To: <20101223174046.1106e575@gmail.com> References: <20101223174046.1106e575@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201012231849.06390.d_baron@012.net.il> >Hello everybody, > > We have a present for you, a new release of MusE. > Does not like the DSSI package from Debian (which is well above the minimum version requested. BTW, almost every program from muse to lmms hangs up with: wine: could not load L"Z:\\usr\\local\\lib\\dssi\\dssi-vst\\dssi-vst- scanner.exe.so": Bad EXE format for probably because dssi-vst is not compatable with most recent wine-unstable. From oget.fedora at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 16:58:30 2010 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:58:30 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] MusE 2.0alpha In-Reply-To: <20101223174046.1106e575@gmail.com> References: <20101223174046.1106e575@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Renato wrote: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:34:45 +0100 > Robert Jonsson wrote: > >> Hello everybody, >> >> We have a present for you, a new release of MusE. > > Hello, > a question: does "make DESTDIR=/mydir install" still work and installs > everything to /mydir? Can't tell from the sources and don't want to > find out the bad way... > Yes, cmake build system supports DESTDIR. However I don't think there is an easy way to run muse2 from the DESTDIR. It won't be able to locate the internal libraries. DESTDIR usage is mostly for packaging purposes. Orcan From ivan_521521 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 23 17:09:20 2010 From: ivan_521521 at yahoo.com (Ivan K) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:09:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <201012231221.37056.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: <810590.97546.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Arnold Krille wrote: > Ivan K wrote: > > Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, > > would a 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) > > than a 1 TB drive?? (I really would not need a full TB anyways). > > Yes, and 640KB ought to be enough for everybody. > > Stop fooling yourself. Yes, I spend a lot of my time living in denial. > The difference in price between 500G > and 1.5TB is less > then the difference in size. I was not writing about cost in terms of money. Everyone knows that 1-2TB drives are cheaper than candy these days. I was writing about cost in terms of reading/writing. I would be willing to pay more for a 500GB drive if there is a performance benefit. From arnold at arnoldarts.de Thu Dec 23 18:21:58 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:21:58 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <810590.97546.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <810590.97546.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201012231922.02319.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Thursday 23 December 2010 18:09:20 Ivan K wrote: > --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Arnold Krille wrote: > > The difference in price between 500G > > and 1.5TB is less > > then the difference in size. > > I was not writing about cost in terms of money. Everyone > knows that 1-2TB drives are cheaper than candy these days. > > I was writing about cost in terms of reading/writing. > I would be willing to pay more for a 500GB drive if > there is a performance benefit. Why should there be a performance benefit if the disk is smaller? If there was, I still have a 650MB disk I could sell you... You want the disk for storage, not for RAM-extension. And doing audio you will read and write big files. Unless the disk-cache is big enough to hold the whole session, it will not make a significant impact. What matters is reliability. And when you ask 10 people about that, you will get 10 different opinions. As you ask for that, here is my experience: I had seagate disks fail, I have seagate disks running fine since 5 years. I have western digital disks work fine since years. I had an IBM disk fail after about two years. I have maxtor disks perform good since 5 years. My hardware dealer recommended me samsung disks, but the first two I bought failed after about two years. Lets see how the rest of them (bought later) performs... Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 18:48:31 2010 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:48:31 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Ardour3 In-Reply-To: <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> References: <201012201523.47265.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101220195851.73c0b967@plaetinck.be> <20101220191025.M4158@mh-freiburg.de> <201012201727.48047.capoeirista@arcor.de> <1292939187-sup-1188@eris> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Excerpts from Thomas Vecchione's message of 2010-12-21 14:22:39 +0100: >> For the record, we aren't attacking you, but you are being used as an >> example, it isn't meant to be personal you just happened to bet he >> first one that mailed here about it. ?You did waste a little bit of >> time, but far less than those that DO come into IRC and say, I built >> this but why isn't this working, to which we go through a long and >> tedious debugging process to only find out they built via a >> build-script or similar and have no idea what actually happened in the >> build process(See my post above, I used to do this so don't think I am >> being mean:), and we have to tell them after having wasted sometimes >> hours of effort the exact same thing you got in the first response;) >> >> Yes this does happen, sadly more often than we would like. >> >> ? ? ? ?Seablade > > Sorry Seablade, but a build script actually documents how it was built, > you have to commands in there, one ofter the other, for your reading > pleasure. The user can throw you a link, you can have a look and > immediately say things like: "oh, that's wrong, you have to build with > internal SLV2 and without VST or you won't get support". > Arch build scripts are a few lines of bash and you don't even need to > know bash to understand them. And it does not in any way change what I said. Any package system documents this, but users don't necessarily know exactly how to read such a script. I can read a portage ebuild (As well as this package script)and tell you exactly how a package was built, but that doesn't change that many gentoo users don't know how to do that. The same holds just as true for Arch, though the actual ratio of those that do or don't know may be different, the fact of the matter is you still get those that don't. What does happen with both of those that doesn't happen with other build systems is the users go, "I built it myself" which is technically true but doesn't tell us crud of what we need to know. Seablade From oget.fedora at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 19:06:37 2010 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:06:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] MusE 2.0alpha In-Reply-To: <201012231849.06390.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20101223174046.1106e575@gmail.com> <201012231849.06390.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:49 AM, David Baron wrote: >>Hello everybody, >> >> We have a present for you, a new release of MusE. >> > > Does not like the DSSI package from Debian (which is well above the minimum > version requested. > It would help us if you post the error message you are seeing, and what DSSI version you have installed. > BTW, almost every program from muse to lmms hangs up with: > > wine: could not load L"Z:\\usr\\local\\lib\\dssi\\dssi-vst\\dssi-vst- > scanner.exe.so": Bad EXE format for > > probably because dssi-vst is not compatable with most recent wine-unstable. > This sounds like it needs to be reported to Debian, not to us. Best, Orcan From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 23 19:09:53 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:09:53 -1000 Subject: [LAU] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293105554-sup-6659@eris> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <1293062096-sup-9701@eris> <4D12E758.2050608@hawaii.rr.com> <1293105554-sup-6659@eris> Message-ID: <4D139E81.1040809@hawaii.rr.com> Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Excerpts from david's message of 2010-12-23 07:08:24 +0100: >> Philipp ?berbacher wrote: >>> Excerpts from ico's message of 2010-12-22 20:37:23 +0100: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I've been battling a kind of a dsp-writer's-block as of late. Namely, I am >>>> dealing with a project where (at least as of right now) I would like to explore >>>> human whisper and its percussive/rhythmic power. This would take place in an >>>> ensemble of "voices." I am also looking to combine whisper with some sort of >>>> DSP. Obviously vocoder comes as one of the obvious choices but it sounds IMHO >>>> cliche and as a result I would like to avoid it as much as possible (unless I >>>> can somehow come up with a cool spin on it which I haven't yet). I also tried >>>> amp mod, additive, filtering, etc., but none of these struck me as something >>>> interesting. I do think delays will be fine in terms of "punctuating" the >>>> overall pattern but I think this should take place at the end of the DSP chain. >>>> Granular synthesis is also a consideration but I've done so much of it over the >>>> past years I am hoping to do something different. >>>> >>>> So, as of right now I have: >>>> >>>> 1) whisper >>>> 2) ??? >>>> 3) delays >>>> 4) profit! :-) >>>> >>>> Given the mental constipation I have been battling particularly over the past >>>> couple of days, I wanted to turn to you my fellow LA* enthusiasts for some >>>> thoughts/ideas/inspiration. Your help would be most appreciated and I will >>>> gladly credit your ideas in the final piece. >>>> >>>> Many thanks! >> > >>> For me the obvious thing to do would be something spatial. Imagine >>> whispering all around you, different voices, moving, saying strange >>> things. >>> Quite cliche too, but I imagine it could also be a lot of fun. >> That would be very interesting using ambisonics. Would make a neat >> soundtrack for a mysterious magical ritual or such. > > Yes, that would be the cliche, but imagine them whispering funny stuff > 'pancakes, give me pancakes', 'mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo', 'and then he > said I wasn't pretty enough', 'a man and a doctor sit on a chair', ... That's the kind of stuff I was thinking of. -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From kevinc at cosgroves.us Thu Dec 23 19:50:12 2010 From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:50:12 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <201012231922.02319.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: <20101223195012.62F42BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> On 23 December 2010 at 19:21, Arnold Krille wrote: > What matters is reliability. And when you ask 10 people about > that, you will get 10 different opinions. As you ask for > that, here is my experience: I had seagate disks fail, I have > seagate disks running fine since 5 years. I have western > digital disks work fine since years. I had an IBM disk fail > after about two years. I have maxtor disks perform good since 5 > years. My hardware dealer recommended me samsung disks, but the > first two I bought failed after about two years. Lets see how > the rest of them (bought later) performs... I've got to agree with that. I've had Quantum, Seagate, CDC, Western Digital, Fujitsu and IBM, and many of each over the years. Each of those brands, except for CDC has performed flawlessly for 5-7 years. Also, each of those brands has died within 1-2 years. The CDCs were a problem. But, I bought them used and back when 600MB was a huge capacity. If you have a look at the buyer comments at an on-line retail site, Newegg would be one, then you'll see the new user comments will have rave reviews for many months or even over a year solid, followed by reviews about DOA drives and drives that fail too soon. This seems to happen for all brands I buy, which seems to add credence to the urban lore about disk drives that some batches of drives are fine and then batches are bad. If you could figure out which batch is good in advance of a purchase, then you'd be set. As for quietness, my Seagate 7200RPM Barracuda (Ultra ATA 100, up to 320GB) drives are very quiet. Also my Western Digital Caviar (500GB and 1TB SATA) drives are very quiet. My Fujitsu drives are very loud, even though they're 7200RPM. I pulled the Fujitsu drives from my machines as they're even too loud for a home office environment. If you can find a retailer that will sell you drives with a "no questions asked" return policy, then you can decide if they're quiet enough. For my failing drives, Newegg was good about the DOAs. Quantum and IBM exchanged my dead drives for reconditioned units, even though those dead drives were way past their warranty period. Seagate customer support helped me diagnose my drive's problem with some of their software (yes, on Linux!) and then exchanged that drive for a reconditioned unit. I have no experience with the other vendors' customer service folks. I hope that's useful info. As was said earlier, good luck! -- Kevin From schivmeister at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 20:00:51 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 04:00:51 +0800 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] MusE 2.0alpha In-Reply-To: References: <1293117651-sup-2284@eris> Message-ID: On 24 December 2010 01:10, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hello Philipp, > > 2010/12/23 Philipp ?berbacher >> building: >> you seem to have switched to cmake but half way it seems. The build >> instructions are rather weird and unusual for cmake. >> creating build, cd'ing there and invoking cmake .. is not how it's >> usually done. >> Usually you configure using 'ccmake .' when you build manually or >> -DCMAKE_BLA (which you do use) for automatic building. >> A DESTDIR is a good thing to have since often enough software >> is build in a chroot and hence "make install" as root will fail if it >> tries to install into the real /usr. > > I'm not convinced there is a usual way. Though you are right we are > beginners with cmake and it can probably be improved. > ccmake is just a curses frontend is it not? You can try to convince me but > instinctively I think we should steer clear of gui tools for building. The usual way: cmake . The clean way: mkdir build cd build cmake .. This is to keep the build separate and maintain a clean source directory. ccmake is a convenience for us, as well as cmake-gui. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 20:15:07 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:15:07 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:42 PM, david wrote: > Ivan K wrote: >> >> I was surprised to hear that so ?many people write their audio >> files to a second drive. ?I always thought that most audio >> people preferred as few drives as possible in a system to keep >> noise down. >> >> On a somewhat related topic, is there a brand of SATA drive >> that people recommend as far as reliability, speed, and low noise? >> Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, >> would a 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) >> than a 1 TB drive? ?(I really would not need a full TB anyways). > > I saw a 1TB drive for sale at NewEgg for $59. Does it matter if you don't > need a full TB??? > > Don't know about noise. There are "green" drive models that have a "reduced > noise" setting, but I think it usually entails reducing the drive speed, I > think. > > I don't think drive size has any impact on speed. Newer drives tend to be > faster than the previous models, I think. Also, the larger drives may come > with larger on-board caches. > > Largest drive I have here is 1TB (split into 2 500GB paritions), the only > time I notice the size is when the system decides its time to fsck the > drive. ;-) > > Brands? I like Hitachi and Western Digital. Toshiba for notebook drives. > I've also had good results from IBM and Seagate. I've only had 2 drives fail > on me. Both very old Seagates. The oldest failed after being used for about > 10 years. The newer one died during its first year, was replaced under > warranty, then died again about 18 months later. > > -- > David I own 8 of the WD 1TB Green drives along with 5 WD 500GB RAID Edition drives so I've seen this stuff up close over the last year.. A couple of points for consideration: 1) The Green drives do typically run at lower RPM. It's part of the power saving strategy. I don't typically thing drive RPM has a huge impact on audio work but clearly others could have a differing opinion on that. It would make for an interesting conversation I think. 2) The biggest part of power saving on the WD Green drives is that they park the heads _very_ often. While this hasn't been a big problem under Windows for me under Linux it's a bit of an unknown at this point. I have one system that uses one of the 1TB drives as the main system drive. The head gets parked and then Linux wakes it up every 2 minutes or so. The issue is these drives are only spec'ed at 300,000 head parks over their lifetime and then they are out of spec. 30 parks per minute * 24 hours * 365 days = 262,800 head parks. Basically, if the drive is left in a Linux system that's powered up all the time then the drive is out of spec in a little over a year. Does this matter? I don't know. I have one machine that is a year old and it's approaching end-of-life? 3) One of the potential advantage I see with the larger density drives is they are using 4K sector sizes instead of 512 byte. As long as you partition on a 4K sector you only need to do one read of the drive to get 4K vs 8 reads with older 512 byte drives. In my mind that's a big potential win in terms of real speed independent of what the RPM of the drive might be. For audio data where you have long streams of data you aren't going to waste much disk space. Please note that last time I looked the 4K drives don't identify them selves as such so you have to know how to do the partitioning correctly up front, keeping everything on a 4K boundary by hand. If you don't these drives become __VERY, VERY, VERY__ slow. Hope this helps, Mark From simonzwise at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 00:04:52 2010 From: simonzwise at gmail.com (Simon Wise) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:04:52 +1100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293062016-sup-8025@eris> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <4D125A23.6040405@email.dk> <4D126639.7050909@autostatic.com> <1293062016-sup-8025@eris> Message-ID: <4D13E3A4.3040807@gmail.com> > Too bad the binary doesn't run (and building is quite hard as well, as > far as I remember) the package in debian sid is ok simon From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 00:10:49 2010 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:10:49 +1100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: > > So, as of right now I have: > > 1) whisper > 2) ??? > 3) delays > 4) profit! :-) > > Given the mental constipation I have been battling particularly over the past > couple of days, I wanted to turn to you my fellow LA* enthusiasts for some > thoughts/ideas/inspiration. Your help would be most appreciated and I will > gladly credit your ideas in the final piece. > > Many thanks! > Mod it with a string instrument is my preference. I know i'm a bit too keen on acoustic instruments now days but it would be very neat to have a cello or double bass, etc as the control source to be filtered/modulate in with the whispers or each other. Guitar or bass with an ebow would also work. Reso's are great for that. Loki From ico at vt.edu Fri Dec 24 00:43:19 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (ico at vt.edu) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:43:19 -0500 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: <1293151399.4d13eca720784@webmail.vt.edu> Quoting Loki Davison : > Mod it with a string instrument is my preference. I know i'm a bit too > keen on acoustic instruments now days but it would be very neat to > have a cello or double bass, etc as the control source to be > filtered/modulate in with the whispers or each other. Guitar or bass > with an ebow would also work. Reso's are great for that. > > Loki > Many thanks for the suggestion Loki. Do you mind elaborating however? I am not sure what kind of modulation you are suggesting. Also, by reso, do you mean resonant filter? Many thanks! Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound and Intermedia Studio Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico.bukvic.net From boilingbergstrom at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 05:12:49 2010 From: boilingbergstrom at gmail.com (Brian Bergstrom) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:12:49 -0600 Subject: [LAU] pulseaudio-module-jack realtime issue Message-ID: <1293167569.3732.6.camel@defiant> Hey all, I am experiencing some clicking/popping noises when running Jack on my both my internal and external USB interface. Oddly this did not coincide with the usual culprit, XRuns. I tracked it down to some errors in the system logs. Dec 23 23:10:37 defiant pulseaudio[4011]: module-jack-sink.c: JACK error >Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/75)(1: Operation not permitted)< Dec 23 23:10:37 defiant pulseaudio[4011]: module-jack-sink.c: JACK error >AcquireRealTime error< Dec 23 23:10:37 defiant pulseaudio[4011]: module-jack-source.c: JACK error >Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/75)(1: Operation not permitted)< Dec 23 23:10:37 defiant pulseaudio[4011]: module-jack-source.c: JACK error >AcquireRealTime error< Looks like pulse is having trouble with realtime permissions/scheduling?? I am fairly new to the pulseaudio-module-jack package(Ubuntu) that supplys module-jack-sink and module-jack-source for Pulse/Jack integration. Any help is appreciated, Brian From fons at kokkinizita.net Fri Dec 24 10:23:43 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:23:43 +0100 Subject: [LAU] DIY messurement-mic In-Reply-To: <201012230148.01051.capoeirista@arcor.de> References: <201012230148.01051.capoeirista@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101224102343.GA4336@zita2.home> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 01:47:59AM -0200, Fabio wrote: > but since I have a preamp I'm asking myself if it wouldn't be > sufficiant to use a t-power circuit. what would be the disatvantage? > sure, it would come with less gain to the pre, but would that mean > more/too-much noise? > (circtuit diagram) Assuming the mic needs 9V/2k2 this will work, but it's not really ideal. This uses the FET in the mic as a gain stage. The output Z is then the drain load resistor (2k2), and since you balance the Z of the passive line, the total impedance seen by your preamp is more than 4K, which will make it noisy. The alternative is to include active circuitry, or use the FET in the capsule as a source follower. The latter requires some surgical work on the capsule itself but it's perfectly possible to do it. Directions for it are out on the web. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From xiphmont at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 10:54:38 2010 From: xiphmont at gmail.com (Monty Montgomery) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 05:54:38 -0500 Subject: [LAU] DIY messurement-mic In-Reply-To: <20101224102343.GA4336@zita2.home> References: <201012230148.01051.capoeirista@arcor.de> <20101224102343.GA4336@zita2.home> Message-ID: > The alternative is to include active circuitry, or use the FET in > the capsule as a source follower. The latter requires some surgical > work on the capsule itself but it's perfectly possible to do it. > Directions for it are out on the web. *nod* It makes a very nice capsule in the source follower config, BTW. If you already have one of the Behringer ECM8000, it's possible to reuse the internal PCB with some component substitutions to use the source-follower modded capsule in an appropriate way with phantom, and you get to reuse the mic body too! You won't want to reuse the capsule in the Behringer though, Behringer uses whatever they happened to source that week. I've modded four of these mics total, all four had different PCBs and different capsules. Once I looked closely, the body measurements were all slightly different too! I can snap pics / post the mod as I did it. I've had a pair of these mics calibrated by a BAS member here in Massachusetts, they tested very well. Monty From julien at c-lab.de Fri Dec 24 11:04:32 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:04:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] And even more organ music Message-ID: Hello all! So here's some more from the organ and me. Oh, I forgot to mention: It's a small instrument in a local church here. This time recorded from directly behind me. The first take was done from the viccar's lectern. The organ has five stops (gedackt 8ft., principal - probably 8ft. but sounds like 4ft. -, Rohrfloete 4ft., Waldfloete 2ft. and two mixtures - for each half of the keyboard and a 16ft. subbass, which sounds like gedackt 16ft.). http://juliencoder.de/jb/xmas_10 The files endng in_close are the new ones. There's also the b minor prelude, which I didn't take from the other session. All files are available as ogg and mp3. Enjoy! Merry Christmas or wonderful holidays (whatever you prefer) Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 24 11:24:37 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:24:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D1482F5.3000103@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/23/2010 03:59 AM, Ivan K wrote: > > I was surprised to hear that so many people write their audio > files to a second drive. I always thought that most audio > people preferred as few drives as possible in a system to keep > noise down. that's an issue, sure. but i write my audio data to *two* other drives in RAID1. it's louder in day-to-day operations, but not in the long term, when you factor in the noise a dying hard drive makes, together with the noise the sound engineer makes when that happens in the middle of an important session. > On a somewhat related topic, is there a brand of SATA drive > that people recommend as far as reliability, speed, and low noise? just an inverse recommendation: do not, under any circumstances whatsoever, buy western digital "green edition" drives - they think it's a brilliant idea to park their heads 8 times a minute (as a power saving measure!), which means they effectively self-destruct within a few months. my approach for 24/7 drives is: as large as possible, since it's the motors that consume power, not the gigabytes. to shelf old projects, i have bought a little gadget that's effectively an external sata backplane that you can stick raw drives into (with usb2 and e-sata connectors to the computer). i buy whatever is cheapest per terabyte for those (last time i looked, it was 1.5). > Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, > would a 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) > than a 1 TB drive? (I really would not need a full TB anyways). no. if you don't need a full TB (from which i deduce you are not into really huge sessions and projects), the performance of any current sata drive should be more than adequate. us audio guys really don't have to care anymore for throughput... even seek speed won't be that important, because we usually read large chunks of data, where the initial delay is insignificant - as opposed to, say, a mail server, where hundreds of users read thousands of very small files every second. > P.S. > My current Seagate 76GB SCSI drive just died and rather > continue to buy SCSI and buy high priced drives that > are smaller compared to the recent SATA drives available, I > thought I would buy a SATA for my current system as well > as an new system this time. scsi is dead. sata beats the crap out of it in terms of performance/price. and for those extremely fast but small 15k platter arrays which used to be a scsi mainstay, time is running out fast with the advent of SSDs. From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 24 11:28:50 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:28:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/23/2010 09:15 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > 1) The Green drives do typically run at lower RPM. It's part of the > power saving strategy. I don't typically thing drive RPM has a huge > impact on audio work but clearly others could have a differing opinion > on that. It would make for an interesting conversation I think. > > 2) The biggest part of power saving on the WD Green drives is that > they park the heads _very_ often. While this hasn't been a big problem > under Windows for me under Linux it's a bit of an unknown at this > point. I have one system that uses one of the 1TB drives as the main > system drive. The head gets parked and then Linux wakes it up every 2 > minutes or so. The issue is these drives are only spec'ed at 300,000 > head parks over their lifetime and then they are out of spec. > > 30 parks per minute * 24 hours * 365 days = 262,800 head parks. > > Basically, if the drive is left in a Linux system that's powered up > all the time then the drive is out of spec in a little over a year. > > Does this matter? I don't know. I have one machine that is a year old > and it's approaching end-of-life? in a 24/7 machine, you must switch of the parking behaviour in the firmware, which is only possible with an arcane MS-DOS flash tool that requires a freedos image to use (luckily, it can boot off a usb stick, so you don't have to install a floppy). From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Fri Dec 24 13:53:44 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:53:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files Message-ID: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> Hello I'm wanting to batch process a bunch of wav files, normalising them all to -0.3 dBFS. I thought I could do this with normalize/normalize-audio, but it doesn't look to be possible. The man page suggests that simply analysing the file and raising the level so the loudest peak is 0 dBFS isn't normalising, which is news to me: " --peak Adjust using peak levels instead of RMS levels. Each file will be adjusted so that its maximum sample is at full scale. This just gives a file the maximum volume possible without clipping; no normalization is done." That would be okay, except I want them normalising to something other than full scale. Is there a quick and easy way to do this? I normally avoid command line stuff as I waste so much time trying to figure out how to get one little one-off task done that I could have done it manually in the meantime. However, although I've wasted a lot of time so far, I have so many files to process that I'm willing to give it a shot. Thanks in advance Q From julien at c-lab.de Fri Dec 24 14:15:33 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:15:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <1842_1293198850_1PW85v-0003MM-Pj_4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <1842_1293198850_1PW85v-0003MM-Pj_4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: Hi Q! Ecasound can do the trick, but in two steps, I'm afraid to say: for F in *.wav; do ecanormalize $F ecasound -i $F -o normalised$F -eadb:-0.3; done You need ecasound and ecatools for that. I think though, that -0.3DB seems rather hefty. Well there is a difference between db and dbfs, have to look it up on Wikipedia. Ecasound's version must be 2.7.0 I believe. Otherwise you can use a different amplifier, which works in percentage of maximum volume: ecasound -i input.wav -o output.wav -ea:97 That is lower volume to 97% of the current volume. Hope you can work with that. If not, well there's always csound and its relatives, but that might really go a little overboard. :-) Pianoly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Fri Dec 24 15:51:51 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:51:51 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: References: <1842_1293198850_1PW85v-0003MM-Pj_4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <4D14C197.1040500@quirq.ukfsn.org> Hi Julien! Thanks for that, I might install those and give it a go. Searching the net, there are many tools which say they normalise things but it turns out they're really intended for replay gain adjustments of recorded music -- it's possible they would normalise to a user-specified figure but I wouldn't lay money on it. Something from the audio (recording) ecosystem, like Eca, is what I was looking for. As I understand it (i.e. from reading Katz) dB is meaningless without an indication of the reference point to which the ratio refers. In the analogue domain you get dBu and dBm with their own reference points. In the digital domain that reference is the maximum encodable level, full scale, which is denoted as 0, hence everything is minus some level dBFS. I would have thought that for a program like Ecasound dB would have been (a lazy) shorthand for dBFS. Thanks again Q Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi Q! > Ecasound can do the trick, but in two steps, I'm afraid to say: > for F in *.wav; do > ecanormalize $F > ecasound -i $F -o normalised$F -eadb:-0.3; > done > You need ecasound and ecatools for that. > I think though, that -0.3DB seems rather hefty. Well there is a > difference between db and dbfs, have to look it up on Wikipedia. > Ecasound's version must be 2.7.0 I believe. Otherwise you can use a > different amplifier, which works in percentage of maximum volume: > ecasound -i input.wav -o output.wav -ea:97 > That is lower volume to 97% of the current volume. > Hope you can work with that. If not, well there's always csound and > its relatives, but that might really go a little overboard. :-) > Pianoly yours > Julien From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 16:07:40 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:07:40 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: 2010/12/24 J?rn Nettingsmeier : > On 12/23/2010 09:15 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> 1) The Green drives do typically run at lower RPM. It's part of the >> power saving strategy. I don't typically thing drive RPM has a huge >> impact on audio work but clearly others could have a differing opinion >> on that. It would make for an interesting conversation I think. >> >> 2) The biggest part of power saving on the WD Green drives is that >> they park the heads _very_ often. While this hasn't been a big problem >> under Windows for me under Linux it's a bit of an unknown at this >> point. I have one system that uses one of the 1TB drives as the main >> system drive. The head gets parked and then Linux wakes it up every 2 >> minutes or so. The issue is these drives are only spec'ed at 300,000 >> head parks over their lifetime and then they are out of spec. >> >> 30 parks per minute * 24 hours * 365 days = 262,800 head parks. >> >> Basically, if the drive is left in a Linux system that's powered up >> all the time then the drive is out of spec in a little over a year. >> >> Does this matter? I don't know. I have one machine that is a year old >> and it's approaching end-of-life? > > in a 24/7 machine, you must switch of the parking behaviour in the > firmware, which is only possible with an arcane MS-DOS flash tool that > requires a freedos image to use (luckily, it can boot off a usb stick, > so you don't have to install a floppy). Yeah, I've heard of that, and I suspect it works. I've not used it myself. I felt it reasonable to let folks know what they were buying and what the issues might be. Who knows what the issues might be with that feature turned off? Certainly power consumption will go up. Maybe most folks don't leave their DAWs powered up 24/7, I don't know. Thanks for adding the info. Cheers, Mark From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 24 16:19:29 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:19:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <4D14C811.3020405@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/24/2010 05:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > 2010/12/24 J?rn Nettingsmeier : >> On 12/23/2010 09:15 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>> 1) The Green drives do typically run at lower RPM. It's part of the >>> power saving strategy. I don't typically thing drive RPM has a huge >>> impact on audio work but clearly others could have a differing opinion >>> on that. It would make for an interesting conversation I think. >>> >>> 2) The biggest part of power saving on the WD Green drives is that >>> they park the heads _very_ often. While this hasn't been a big problem >>> under Windows for me under Linux it's a bit of an unknown at this >>> point. I have one system that uses one of the 1TB drives as the main >>> system drive. The head gets parked and then Linux wakes it up every 2 >>> minutes or so. The issue is these drives are only spec'ed at 300,000 >>> head parks over their lifetime and then they are out of spec. >>> >>> 30 parks per minute * 24 hours * 365 days = 262,800 head parks. >>> >>> Basically, if the drive is left in a Linux system that's powered up >>> all the time then the drive is out of spec in a little over a year. >>> >>> Does this matter? I don't know. I have one machine that is a year old >>> and it's approaching end-of-life? >> >> in a 24/7 machine, you must switch of the parking behaviour in the >> firmware, which is only possible with an arcane MS-DOS flash tool that >> requires a freedos image to use (luckily, it can boot off a usb stick, >> so you don't have to install a floppy). > > Yeah, I've heard of that, and I suspect it works. I've not used it > myself. I felt it reasonable to let folks know what they were buying > and what the issues might be. Who knows what the issues might be with > that feature turned off? the drive is a lot faster and will reach its expected lifetime, hopefully. > Certainly power consumption will go up. no. under linux, power consumption will actually go down, since the constant head parking and unparking is avoided. if you implement laptop mode with very large dirty buffers, you might actually reach a point where there's actual benefit to this "green" feature, but i have a very strong suspicion it's just a stupid greenwashing feature they came up with (without expecting much themselves), because marketing wanted it. > Maybe > most folks don't leave their DAWs powered up 24/7, I don't know. true. the problem hit me on a server. but i'm pretty sure that on a DAW, you don't want your disk heads to go for a nap every 15 seconds either, especially since they do it with a loud "clack" for extra emphasis... the caviar green is definitely a very stupid product, probably even under windows. as faberman said, if you are concerned about power consumption and noise, invest in 2.5" drives. happy holidays, j?rn (who is stuck on a train in the snow and bored enough to read mail on christmas eve...) From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 24 16:31:59 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:31:59 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/24/2010 02:53 PM, Q wrote: > Hello > > I'm wanting to batch process a bunch of wav files, normalising them all > to -0.3 dBFS. that's high! you will almost certainly get distortion in the analog stages of cheaper playback equipment with a signal that hot. think inter-sample peaks. > I thought I could do this with normalize/normalize-audio, but it doesn't > look to be possible. The man page suggests that simply analysing the > file and raising the level so the loudest peak is 0 dBFS isn't > normalising, which is news to me: depends. that's peak normalisation. what you probably want is loudness normalisation, which adjusts the levels so that the perceived loudness is constant across tracks. in a presentation i heard recently, the presenter played a metallica single, in direct comparison to pink noise at full scale. the metallica mix was significantly louder. go figure... > " --peak > Adjust using peak levels instead of RMS levels. Each file will be > adjusted so that its maximum sample is at full scale. This just gives a > file the maximum volume possible without clipping; no normalization is > done." that is a funny definition of normalisation. > That would be okay, except I want them normalising to something other > than full scale. > > Is there a quick and easy way to do this? like julien suggested, use a standard peak normalizer and then attenuate by 0.3dB )(if you are sure that's what you want to do). From l33tmmx at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 16:56:23 2010 From: l33tmmx at gmail.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:56:23 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:28:50 +0100 J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/23/2010 09:15 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > 1) The Green drives do typically run at lower RPM. It's part of the > > power saving strategy. I don't typically thing drive RPM has a huge > > impact on audio work but clearly others could have a differing opinion > > on that. It would make for an interesting conversation I think. > > > > 2) The biggest part of power saving on the WD Green drives is that > > they park the heads _very_ often. While this hasn't been a big problem > > under Windows for me under Linux it's a bit of an unknown at this > > point. I have one system that uses one of the 1TB drives as the main > > system drive. The head gets parked and then Linux wakes it up every 2 > > minutes or so. The issue is these drives are only spec'ed at 300,000 > > head parks over their lifetime and then they are out of spec. > > > > 30 parks per minute * 24 hours * 365 days = 262,800 head parks. > > > > Basically, if the drive is left in a Linux system that's powered up > > all the time then the drive is out of spec in a little over a year. > > > > Does this matter? I don't know. I have one machine that is a year old > > and it's approaching end-of-life? > > in a 24/7 machine, you must switch of the parking behaviour in the > firmware, which is only possible with an arcane MS-DOS flash tool that > requires a freedos image to use (luckily, it can boot off a usb stick, > so you don't have to install a floppy). Where the mentioned firmware can be found? I found nothing with a quick search on the WD website. (Unfortunately I bought one of those 'Green' drives just recently) JR From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Fri Dec 24 17:07:48 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:07:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/24/2010 02:53 PM, Q wrote: >> Hello >> >> I'm wanting to batch process a bunch of wav files, normalising them all >> to -0.3 dBFS. > > that's high! you will almost certainly get distortion in the analog > stages of cheaper playback equipment with a signal that hot. think > inter-sample peaks. I got the impression most masters were peak normalised to 0 dBFS these days and less frequently to slightly under to avoid playback issues. The original files were all done to 0 and Rezound showed a pink clip line in one or two of the files, which is why I opted for slightly below for the ones I processed. Anyway, playback on cheap equipment will not be an issue for these files -- they won't be played on music players. Out of interest, how high can intersample peaks get above the highest peaks in a file? > >> I thought I could do this with normalize/normalize-audio, but it doesn't >> look to be possible. The man page suggests that simply analysing the >> file and raising the level so the loudest peak is 0 dBFS isn't >> normalising, which is news to me: > > depends. that's peak normalisation. what you probably want is loudness > normalisation, which adjusts the levels so that the perceived loudness > is constant across tracks. No, peak normalisation is what I'm after; this isn't a CD collection I'm processing. > > in a presentation i heard recently, the presenter played a metallica > single, in direct comparison to pink noise at full scale. the metallica > mix was significantly louder. go figure... > I'd rather listen to pink noise any day! >> " --peak >> Adjust using peak levels instead of RMS levels. Each file will be >> adjusted so that its maximum sample is at full scale. This just gives a >> file the maximum volume possible without clipping; no normalization is >> done." > > that is a funny definition of normalisation. I get the impression that the term normalisation has taken on another meaning among non-music producers to mean replay gain normalisation for whole albums or music collections. Doesn't replay gain either peak normalise the loudest track and raise all the others by the same amount (to preserve inter-song dynamics), or in some case do loudness normalisation? Personally, I don't bother with such things, volume knobs are what we evolved fingers for! > >> That would be okay, except I want them normalising to something other >> than full scale. >> >> Is there a quick and easy way to do this? > > like julien suggested, use a standard peak normalizer and then attenuate > by 0.3dB )(if you are sure that's what you want to do). > When you put it as simply as that it's blindingly obvious! I can't believe it didn't occur to me and one extra step when batch processing is not a big deal at all. Blame the cold weather and a brain freeze! Thanks again Q From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 17:59:58 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:59:58 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Jouni Rinne wrote: > On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:28:50 +0100 > J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> On 12/23/2010 09:15 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> > 1) The Green drives do typically run at lower RPM. It's part of the >> > power saving strategy. I don't typically thing drive RPM has a huge >> > impact on audio work but clearly others could have a differing opinion >> > on that. It would make for an interesting conversation I think. >> > >> > 2) The biggest part of power saving on the WD Green drives is that >> > they park the heads _very_ often. While this hasn't been a big problem >> > under Windows for me under Linux it's a bit of an unknown at this >> > point. I have one system that uses one of the 1TB drives as the main >> > system drive. The head gets parked and then Linux wakes it up every 2 >> > minutes or so. The issue is these drives are only spec'ed at 300,000 >> > head parks over their lifetime and then they are out of spec. >> > >> > 30 parks per minute * 24 hours * 365 days = 262,800 head parks. >> > >> > Basically, if the drive is left in a Linux system that's powered up >> > all the time then the drive is out of spec in a little over a year. >> > >> > Does this matter? I don't know. I have one machine that is a year old >> > and it's approaching end-of-life? >> >> in a 24/7 machine, you must switch of the parking behaviour in the >> firmware, which is only possible with an arcane MS-DOS flash tool that >> requires a freedos image to use (luckily, it can boot off a usb stick, >> so you don't have to install a floppy). > > Where the mentioned firmware can be found? I found nothing with a quick search on the WD website. (Unfortunately I bought one of those 'Green' drives just recently) It's not the firmware that you are looking for but rather the WD application that changes the firmware that's in the drive. Good search terms are: firmware change S.M.A.R.T Attribute 193 You will finds LOTS of posts on the subject. The actual software (that I know about - there may be more than one for this function so be careful) is called WDIDLE3.exe. I am not aware as to this software supporting booting from a USB stick, etc., so I've not looked into using it myself. Here is a WD10EARS drive that's been turned on 24/7 basically since last February: (10-11 months) using the command smartctl --all /dev/sda It's a desktop machine. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 131 128 021 Pre-fail Always - 6408 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 33 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 090 090 000 Old_age Always - 7535 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 32 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 11 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 111 111 000 Old_age Always - 269117 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 124 113 000 Old_age Always - 23 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 200 200 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 200 200 000 Old_age Offline - 0 Hope this helps, Mark From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 24 17:51:18 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:51:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <4D14DD96.6020508@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/24/2010 06:07 PM, Q wrote: > J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: >>> I'm wanting to batch process a bunch of wav files, normalising them all >>> to -0.3 dBFS. >> >> that's high! you will almost certainly get distortion in the analog >> stages of cheaper playback equipment with a signal that hot. think >> inter-sample peaks. > > I got the impression most masters were peak normalised to 0 dBFS these > days and less frequently to slightly under to avoid playback issues. eat shit, millions of flies can't be wrong :) mastering that hot is a major technical blunder proposed by idiots with either bad hearing or a profound hate for music. > Out of interest, how high can intersample peaks get above the highest > peaks in a file? imagine the positive half of a sine wave, so that two consecutive samples representing the very top of the wave are at 0dBFS. it is clear that between those samples, the real peak value of the sound must be higher than 0dBFS, and the reconstruction filter will see this higher value. that means unless your analog stage has headroom for this, it will clip. the higher the frequency, the higher above full scale those inter-sample peaks can be. >>> I thought I could do this with normalize/normalize-audio, but it doesn't >>> look to be possible. The man page suggests that simply analysing the >>> file and raising the level so the loudest peak is 0 dBFS isn't >>> normalising, which is news to me: >> >> depends. that's peak normalisation. what you probably want is loudness >> normalisation, which adjusts the levels so that the perceived loudness >> is constant across tracks. > > No, peak normalisation is what I'm after; this isn't a CD collection I'm > processing. ok. though i have a hard time seeing any use for peak normalisation unless you want to deliver your material at low bit depths, such as a cd. >>> " --peak >>> Adjust using peak levels instead of RMS levels. Each file will be >>> adjusted so that its maximum sample is at full scale. This just gives a >>> file the maximum volume possible without clipping; no normalization is >>> done." >> >> that is a funny definition of normalisation. > > I get the impression that the term normalisation has taken on another > meaning among non-music producers to mean replay gain normalisation for > whole albums or music collections. Doesn't replay gain either peak > normalise the loudest track and raise all the others by the same amount > (to preserve inter-song dynamics), or in some case do loudness > normalisation? Personally, I don't bother with such things, volume knobs > are what we evolved fingers for! correct replay gain should strive for constant perceived loudness, so that you can use those wonderful evolved fingers for more important things, such as doing the dishes or ironing, without having to rush to the volume knob after each track. >> like julien suggested, use a standard peak normalizer and then attenuate >> by 0.3dB )(if you are sure that's what you want to do). >> > When you put it as simply as that it's blindingly obvious! I can't > believe it didn't occur to me and one extra step when batch processing > is not a big deal at all. Blame the cold weather and a brain freeze! i hope that come spring, your freshly thawed brain will even realize that you don't want peak normalisation at all :) ok, down from the soapbox, and season's greetings, j?rn From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 24 18:00:06 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:00:06 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D14DFA6.9060503@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/24/2010 05:56 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote: > > Where the mentioned firmware can be found? I found nothing with a quick search on the WD website. (Unfortunately I bought one of those 'Green' drives just recently) if you can, return it as defective. unfortunately, it wasn't an option for me, because i had already spent several hours fine-tuning a server system on them before i looked at smartctl for the first time... if you can't, it's somewhere on the wd site in an obscure place, and there's at least one third-party hoster that provides a binary that claims to be this tool - it might be safe, but buyer beware. if you can't find it, write to me off-list after christmas, maybe i can still dig up the stick and send it to you, but i'm travelling atm and don't have access to it. best, j?rn From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 18:03:06 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:03:06 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D14C811.3020405@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14C811.3020405@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: 2010/12/24 J?rn Nettingsmeier : >> Yeah, I've heard of that, and I suspect it works. I've not used it >> myself. I felt it reasonable to let folks know what they were buying >> and what the issues might be. Who knows what the issues might be with >> that feature turned off? > > the drive is a lot faster and will reach its expected lifetime, hopefully. > Is it? In what way? Something like hdparm -tT or something else? Reaching its lifetime would be a good thing. >> Certainly power consumption will go up. > > no. under linux, power consumption will actually go down, since the > constant head parking and unparking is avoided. if you implement laptop > mode with very large dirty buffers, you might actually reach a point > where there's actual benefit to this "green" feature, but i have a very > strong suspicion it's just a stupid greenwashing feature they came up > with (without expecting much themselves), because marketing wanted it. > I think that really depends on how long it's left asleep. At this 2 minute rate I'm seeing I suspect it lowers power to put it to sleep but I don't know. >> Maybe >> most folks don't leave their DAWs powered up 24/7, I don't know. > > true. the problem hit me on a server. but i'm pretty sure that on a DAW, > you don't want your disk heads to go for a nap every 15 seconds either, > especially since they do it with a loud "clack" for extra emphasis... > No debate there. Completely agree. > the caviar green is definitely a very stupid product, probably even > under windows. as faberman said, if you are concerned about power > consumption and noise, invest in 2.5" drives. > > happy holidays, > > > j?rn > > > (who is stuck on a train in the snow and bored enough to read mail on > christmas eve...) > > You too! - Mark From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 24 18:09:32 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gTmV0dGluZ3NtZWllcg==?=) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:09:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14C811.3020405@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <4D14E1DC.9040005@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/24/2010 07:03 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > 2010/12/24 J?rn Nettingsmeier : >> the drive is a lot faster and will reach its expected lifetime, hopefully. > > Is it? In what way? Something like hdparm -tT or something else? sorry, no. sloppy wording. it reacts faster to intermittent requests, because the heads are already flying and don't have to be un-parked. throughput is of course the same. > Reaching its lifetime would be a good thing. >> no. under linux, power consumption will actually go down, since the >> constant head parking and unparking is avoided. if you implement laptop >> mode with very large dirty buffers, you might actually reach a point >> where there's actual benefit to this "green" feature, but i have a very >> strong suspicion it's just a stupid greenwashing feature they came up >> with (without expecting much themselves), because marketing wanted it. >> > > I think that really depends on how long it's left asleep. At this 2 > minute rate I'm seeing I suspect it lowers power to put it to sleep > but I don't know. probably. but i guess you are already using "laptop mode with longer sync times. i'm sure i saw it wake up and park more often, a few times per minute iirc. From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 18:28:37 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:28:37 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D14E1DC.9040005@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14C811.3020405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14E1DC.9040005@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: 2010/12/24 J?rn Nettingsmeier : > On 12/24/2010 07:03 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> 2010/12/24 J?rn Nettingsmeier : >>> the drive is a lot faster and will reach its expected lifetime, hopefully. >> >> Is it? In what way? Something like hdparm -tT or something else? > > sorry, no. sloppy wording. it reacts faster to intermittent requests, > because the heads are already flying and don't have to be un-parked. > throughput is of course the same. > Ah, certainly. Must be true if the heads aren't parked at all. Is that what that firmware does, or does it just slow down how often it's parked? >> Reaching its lifetime would be a good thing. > >>> no. under linux, power consumption will actually go down, since the >>> constant head parking and unparking is avoided. if you implement laptop >>> mode with very large dirty buffers, you might actually reach a point >>> where there's actual benefit to this "green" feature, but i have a very >>> strong suspicion it's just a stupid greenwashing feature they came up >>> with (without expecting much themselves), because marketing wanted it. >>> >> >> I think that really depends on how long it's left asleep. At this 2 >> minute rate I'm seeing I suspect it lowers power to put it to sleep >> but I don't know. > > probably. but i guess you are already using "laptop mode with longer > sync times. i'm sure i saw it wake up and park more often, a few times > per minute iirc. That's what I remembered also but the number I posted in replying to Jouni was 269117 and the Power On Hours counter currently says 7535 which is 313 days or around 10 months. 269117 / 7535 is about 35/hour or roughly 2 minutes. I'm running Gentoo and have no recollection of making any changes or ever finding a setting that slowed it down significantly but I admit I didn't try very hard. I'm just doing backups and figured I'd swap in another drive when it gets up too high. I have a bunch of these drives never opened as I couldn't return them, it was too late, and I never used them so far. - Mark From julien at c-lab.de Fri Dec 24 18:51:23 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:51:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <3341_1293205934_1PW9wC-00023D-Jp_4D14C197.1040500@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <1842_1293198850_1PW85v-0003MM-Pj_4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <3341_1293205934_1PW9wC-00023D-Jp_4D14C197.1040500@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: Hello again! Yes then Db in ecasound means dbfs, at least to the best of my knowledge. You have seen some files normalised by me and they certainly are as loud as it can go. :-) Noisily yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From spamatica at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 21:36:52 2010 From: spamatica at gmail.com (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:36:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] [ANN] MusE 2.0alpha In-Reply-To: References: <1293117651-sup-2284@eris> Message-ID: 2010/12/23 Ray Rashif > The usual way: > > cmake . > > The clean way: > > mkdir build > cd build > cmake .. > > This is to keep the build separate and maintain a clean source directory. > > Sounds good then as that is what we try to do, do correct me if the documentation is too lacking. > ccmake is a convenience for us, as well as cmake-gui. > > /Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From l33tmmx at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 23:09:20 2010 From: l33tmmx at gmail.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 01:09:20 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D14DFA6.9060503@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> <4D14DFA6.9060503@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20101225010920.b8bce102.l33tmmx@gmail.com> On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:00:06 +0100 J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/24/2010 05:56 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote: > > > > Where the mentioned firmware can be found? I found nothing with a quick search on the WD website. (Unfortunately I bought one of those 'Green' drives just recently) > > if you can, return it as defective. unfortunately, it wasn't an option > for me, because i had already spent several hours fine-tuning a server > system on them before i looked at smartctl for the first time... > > if you can't, it's somewhere on the wd site in an obscure place, and > there's at least one third-party hoster that provides a binary that > claims to be this tool - it might be safe, but buyer beware. > > if you can't find it, write to me off-list after christmas, maybe i can > still dig up the stick and send it to you, but i'm travelling atm and > don't have access to it. > > best, > > j?rn > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Okay, found the correct download place via a forum: http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=609&sid=113&lang=en . According to the same forum it should also apply to the 2TB WD20EADS drive I have. Until now, WD drives have been super-reliable for me, the only make I've got no trouble with, but this head parking stuff is insane... Now I should decide whether I 1) return the drive (the data I have in there *should* still fit on my other drives) and replace it with a Seagate or 2) try to fix the firmware. Thanks for hints and help, and merry Xmas! JR From arnold at arnoldarts.de Fri Dec 24 23:39:12 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:39:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <201012250039.16133.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Hi, On Friday 24 December 2010 14:53:44 Q wrote: > I'm wanting to batch process a bunch of wav files, normalising them all > to -0.3 dBFS. > > I thought I could do this with normalize/normalize-audio, but it doesn't > look to be possible. The man page suggests that simply analysing the > file and raising the level so the loudest peak is 0 dBFS isn't > normalising, which is news to me: > > " --peak > Adjust using peak levels instead of RMS levels. Each file will be > adjusted so that its maximum sample is at full scale. This just gives a > file the maximum volume possible without clipping; no normalization is > done." That statement there is bullshit. Scanning a wave-file for maximum absolute sample and then scaling that to make the file fit into [-1:1] with the abssolute of the maximum sample at 1 _is_ normalization. That is the very definition of normalization. > That would be okay, except I want them normalising to something other > than full scale. Given the fact that [-1:1] is just an arbitrary setting, there is no problem with normalizing/scaling to [-0.9:0.9] or within the range of -3dB instead of 0dB... > Is there a quick and easy way to do this? I seem to recall that normalize-audio can actually do this. Otherwise have a look at the fine tools contained in libsoundfile. Have fun and a merry Christmas, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 00:03:21 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:03:21 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <20101225010920.b8bce102.l33tmmx@gmail.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> <4D14DFA6.9060503@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225010920.b8bce102.l33tmmx@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote: >Now I should decide whether I 1) return the drive (the data > I have in there *should* still fit on my other drives) and replace it > with a Seagate or 2) try to fix the firmware. > Thanks for hints and help, and merry Xmas! > > JR Or choose a different WD drive that doesn't have the problem. I went for 500GB RAID Edition drives. Faster, WAY longer lifetime, all the features required for RAID, but a bit more expensive and less space. But if you don't need 2TB, like you might for video recording, etc., then to me 500GB was still overkill. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EMZPD0/ref=oss_product Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 01:13:03 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:13:03 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Batch conversion from Apple AAC to mp3? Message-ID: Hi, I've got a 10,000 iTunes library in AAC format. I'd like to create a copy of it in mp3 preserving the directory structure of the original but in a different location. Can I do this in something like sox or some other program? If so how? Thanks, Mark From julien at c-lab.de Sat Dec 25 01:37:22 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 02:37:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Batch conversion from Apple AAC to mp3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mark! You can batch convert the aac files to mp3. If you directory structure is very consistent, you can do even the complete structure in one script. I thik there is a direct aac decoder, but if you don't find one or someone else can point you at it, mplayer will do the trick. For one directory this would be: for F in *.aac; do mplayer -ao pcm:file=$F.wav $F lame -h $F.wav $F.mp3; done So in a bigger context, say you have all the albums resting in one place, you might pack this loop into another: for D in *; do cd $D for F in *.aac; do [what you've seen before...] mkdir /new/directory/$D mv *.mp3 /new/directory/$d rm *.wav cd ..; done NOTE: This only works, if the directories and files don't have spaces in them. You can usually quote the variables you use like "$D" and that should help. But there were some cases - and please excuse me, if I don't remember them right now, being late and having partied -, where even this didn't work correctly. Mind you, I think this was using "find" somewhere in the euqation. If you have artist/album, you wrap the for D in * loop in another saying: for A in *; do cd A mkdir /new/directory/$A for D in *; do; ... cd ..; done NOTE2: You will losse the tags this way. Oh and if you want to correct the filenames to not end in .aac.mp3 you can use mmv: mmv "*.aac.mp3" "#1.mp3" in the for F in *.aac; do loop, as the last line. Don't forget to add the semicolon. Sorry, if this mail was rather upside down and round and round. I am a bit fuzzy. Yet still I hope, that I could be of some assistence. Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Sat Dec 25 01:49:38 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 02:49:38 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> <4D14DFA6.9060503@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225010920.b8bce102.l33tmmx@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D154DB2.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/25/2010 01:03 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Or choose a different WD drive that doesn't have the problem. I went > for 500GB RAID Edition drives. Faster, WAY longer lifetime, all the > features required for RAID, but a bit more expensive and less space. what on earth is "raid edition"? makes all my BS indicators flash red... i can't imagine any special hardware feature "required for raid". and like faberman remarked in another mail, i really can't see any reason to buy disks of less than a terabyte these days, as increased density will almost always imply increased throughput, at identical or only very slightly increased power consumption. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Dec 25 02:22:22 2010 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:22:22 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D154DB2.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> <4D14DFA6.9060503@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225010920.b8bce102.l33tmmx@gmail.com> <4D154DB2.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <4D15555E.2040601@localhost> On 12/24/2010 05:49 PM, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/25/2010 01:03 AM, Mark Knecht wrote >> Or choose a different WD drive that doesn't have the problem. I went >> for 500GB RAID Edition drives. Faster, WAY longer lifetime, all the >> features required for RAID, but a bit more expensive and less space. > what on earth is "raid edition"? makes all my BS indicators flash red... > i can't imagine any special hardware feature "required for raid". Different firmware. And spec'ed for 24x7 operation (maybe just tested better?). I think I remember some timeouts are different so that a drive will not "hang" an array while it tries to recalibrate or something like that. Once I had 8 WD 500G "server level" drives in a raid array. Every once in a while one would just drop from the array. No reason. Went nuts trying to figure out what was wrong. A power cycle of the drive and it would work as new. Ended up being a firmware problem in the drive (!). WD's response was pathetic. Server drives, consumer drives, I think it is just a matter of having luck with the right fabrication batch and firmware - I never buy the latest model. -- Fernando From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 05:49:54 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:49:54 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <4D154DB2.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D12EF71.5030508@hawaii.rr.com> <4D1483F2.7050405@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101224185623.937a89f3.l33tmmx@gmail.com> <4D14DFA6.9060503@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225010920.b8bce102.l33tmmx@gmail.com> <4D154DB2.10208@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: 2010/12/24 J?rn Nettingsmeier : > On 12/25/2010 01:03 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> Or choose a different WD drive that doesn't have the problem. I went >> for 500GB RAID Edition drives. Faster, WAY longer lifetime, all the >> features required for RAID, but a bit more expensive and less space. > > what on earth is "raid edition"? makes all my BS indicators flash red... > i can't imagine any special hardware feature "required for raid". > > and like faberman remarked in another mail, i really can't see any > reason to buy disks of less than a terabyte these days, as increased > density will almost always imply increased throughput, at identical or > only very slightly increased power consumption. No, there's no need to see red. It's real stuff. The biggest deal for RAID is TLER (Time Limited Error Recovery) which makes sure that drives keep responding so the RAID array doesn't drop the drive unnecessarily. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLER These drives are 7200RPM, which you can probably get in a Green drive if you look long enough. However they are rated for far more hours of life also. - Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Dec 25 11:38:15 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:38:15 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Finally got time to play! Message-ID: <20101225113815.47c4f532@debian> I've been continuing to work on my guitar playing as and when I get time, and here is my latest effort based on the same chord progression as I used when collaborating with a friend for 'Wandering'. I'm quite proud of the fact I was able to play this right through with only a couple of edits. Hope you like it. http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Wandering_Again.ogg Guitar recorded with Timemachine Synth is Yoshimi Guitar effects from Rackarak Sequencer is Rosegarden Final tidy up in Audacity -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From fons at kokkinizita.net Sat Dec 25 11:40:33 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:40:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14DD96.6020508@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14DD96.6020508@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20101225114033.GA4171@zita2.home> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 06:51:18PM +0100, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 12/24/2010 06:07 PM, Q wrote: > > Out of interest, how high can intersample peaks get above the highest > > peaks in a file? > > imagine the positive half of a sine wave, so that two consecutive > samples representing the very top of the wave are at 0dBFS. it is clear > that between those samples, the real peak value of the sound must be > higher than 0dBFS, and the reconstruction filter will see this higher > value. that means unless your analog stage has headroom for this, it > will clip. the higher the frequency, the higher above full scale those > inter-sample peaks can be. In theory it could be any value. In practice it's limited by the lenght of the antialiasing filter. You get the maximum output for a series of samples at max amplitude (+ or - 1) and matching the sign of the IR of the filter at half a sample delay. For example, if '+' means a sample of +1, and '-' a -1, then the sequence of 20 samples: -+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+- will produce of peak of more than 8 dB above FS. It's very unlikely to get such a sequence with natural sounds, but quite possible with synthetic signals or when using agressive mastering techniques. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 11:47:40 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:47:40 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <20101225094740.497ceb0b@arcor.de> Em Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:07:48 +0000 Q escreveu: > Out of interest, how high can intersample peaks get above the highest > peaks in a file? here mix to max. -1,0 dBFS is recommended: > 1. Leave lots of headroom in your mix: This is the obvious solution, > and it requires no special processing. As long as you keep the peak > levels in your mix below 0dBFS, the DAC will never encounter the > situation described above. The consensus I?ve found is that real-world > inter sample peaks never exceed 1dB, so keep your levels below -1.0 > dBFS and you?ll be fine. from: http://www.hometracked.com/2007/11/08/prevent-intersample-peaks/ > 2. Use a mastering tool designed to prevent these peaks: iZotope?s > Ozone is one such tool. The loudness maximizer has a one-click option > to prevent inter-sample clipping. > > 3. Use a metering tool that highlights the peaks: SSL recently > released the X-ISM Plug-In which adds an inter-sample peak meter to > any VST-capable DAW. wondering if any of those tools in 2. or 3. are available for linux!? here it is shown that intersample peaks can eventualy/teoriticly exceed 10db!!!: > If you want to see something really bad on the oversampled meter - > try a sequence of maximum and minimum values that goes like this: > "1010101101010" - notice that the alternating 1's and 0's suddenly > change direction in the middle. The results depends on the filter > being used in the reconstruction, with the intersample peak easily > exceeding 10dB! from: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/tips-techniques/334385-intersample-peaks.html From fons at kokkinizita.net Sat Dec 25 11:49:52 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:49:52 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20101225114952.GB4171@zita2.home> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 05:31:59PM +0100, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > in a presentation i heard recently, the presenter played a metallica > single, in direct comparison to pink noise at full scale. the metallica > mix was significantly louder. go figure... That's cheating. Pink (or any color) noise doesn't have a defined peak/RMS ratio. If it's Gaussian its peak value is unlimited. In practice, at normal sample rates, you get something like 11.5 dB for a few minutes and around 13 dB after an hour or so. But if you wait long enough you can get any value. Currrent mastering techniques easily do better than 11.5 dB, so no surprise... Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Dec 25 12:01:49 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:01:49 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <20101225114033.GA4171@zita2.home> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14DD96.6020508@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225114033.GA4171@zita2.home> Message-ID: <20101225120149.26b10a83@debian> On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:40:33 +0100 fons at kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 06:51:18PM +0100, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > > On 12/24/2010 06:07 PM, Q wrote: > > > > Out of interest, how high can intersample peaks get above the highest > > > peaks in a file? > > > > imagine the positive half of a sine wave, so that two consecutive > > samples representing the very top of the wave are at 0dBFS. it is clear > > that between those samples, the real peak value of the sound must be > > higher than 0dBFS, and the reconstruction filter will see this higher > > value. that means unless your analog stage has headroom for this, it > > will clip. the higher the frequency, the higher above full scale those > > inter-sample peaks can be. > > In theory it could be any value. In practice it's limited by the lenght > of the antialiasing filter. You get the maximum output for a series of > samples at max amplitude (+ or - 1) and matching the sign of the IR of > the filter at half a sample delay. > > For example, if '+' means a sample of +1, and '-' a -1, then the > sequence of 20 samples: > > -+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+- > > will produce of peak of more than 8 dB above FS. > > It's very unlikely to get such a sequence with natural sounds, > but quite possible with synthetic signals or when using agressive > mastering techniques. > > Ciao, Interesting. When I first started to use a digital recorder I used -6dBFS as my target value simply on a 'gut feeling' basis. Seems I wasn't so far out then. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 12:30:26 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:30:26 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <20101225103026.3e0e2e00@arcor.de> 10-myths-about-normalization: http://www.hometracked.com/2008/04/20/10-myths-about-normalization/ From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Dec 25 12:48:09 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:48:09 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <20101225103026.3e0e2e00@arcor.de> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225103026.3e0e2e00@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101225124809.40e28f20@debian> On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:30:26 -0200 Fabio wrote: > 10-myths-about-normalization: > > http://www.hometracked.com/2008/04/20/10-myths-about-normalization/ Good link !!! SHOCK NEWS !!! Ears were invented before computers :P -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Dec 25 12:49:43 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:49:43 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <201012250039.16133.arnold@arnoldarts.de> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <201012250039.16133.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: <20101225124943.055cf28a@debian> On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:39:12 +0100 Arnold Krille wrote: > I seem to recall that normalize-audio can actually do this. Otherwise have a > look at the fine tools contained in libsoundfile. > > Have fun and a merry Christmas, > > Arnold Last time I tried normalise-audio it couldn't handle ogg files but had to convert them to mp3s :( -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Sat Dec 25 13:16:09 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:16:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <20101225114952.GB4171@zita2.home> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225114952.GB4171@zita2.home> Message-ID: <4D15EE99.8060804@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/25/2010 12:49 PM, fons at kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 05:31:59PM +0100, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> in a presentation i heard recently, the presenter played a metallica >> single, in direct comparison to pink noise at full scale. the metallica >> mix was significantly louder. go figure... > > That's cheating. Pink (or any color) noise doesn't have a defined > peak/RMS ratio. If it's Gaussian its peak value is unlimited. true. the fun thing was you could see his slide announcing the next demo snippets. imagine reading this: 1. peak-normalized metallica single 2. pink noise at full scale now when you frequently use your average run-of-the-mill pink noise generator at -20dBFS to test speaker arrays, you do have a gut feeling of how "loud" pink noise is. in fact, for reasonable time windows, you're pretty likely to get an average loudness - with JAPA's pink noise generator for instance, the loudness osciallates around a mean value such that if your meter integrates for longer than, say, a second, the reading will be pretty much constant. so the second line was enough to make me cringe and grope for my ear plugs. so it was quite a laugh when the perceived loudness was a lot lower than for the first example. From julien at c-lab.de Sat Dec 25 13:28:47 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:28:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Finally got time to play! In-Reply-To: <20101225113815.47c4f532@debian> References: <20101225113815.47c4f532@debian> Message-ID: Hello Will! Thanks for sharing this! I liked it. It spreads contentment with life an the world aruond me. A beautiful guitar sound. Don't ask me why, but I'm rather in love with that. :-) I think that also would have been nice in the progrock version, with some Mellotron and softly unfolding arrangement. Very lovely tuen, please continue sharing with us! Warmly yours and merry Christmas (if you go for tha sort of thing :-) ) Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 13:57:03 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:57:03 -0200 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression Message-ID: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> there doesn't seam to exist any compressor/plugin for Linux that does it? From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Dec 25 14:28:58 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:28:58 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: <20101225094740.497ceb0b@arcor.de> References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225094740.497ceb0b@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Fabio wrote: >> 3. Use a metering tool that highlights the peaks: SSL recently interesting definition of "recently" - i got my copy about 2-3 years ago :) >> released the X-ISM Plug-In which adds an inter-sample peak meter to >> any VST-capable DAW. > > wondering if any of those tools in 2. or 3. are available for linux!? X-ISM is very compliant and simple VST plugin that will run in any host on linux that supports win/x86 VST plugins. From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 14:37:41 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:37:41 -0200 Subject: [LAU] Batch normalising wav files In-Reply-To: References: <4D14A5E8.4090404@quirq.ukfsn.org> <4D14CAFF.7060706@folkwang-hochschule.de> <4D14D364.8000305@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225094740.497ceb0b@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101225123741.7cd9afc0@arcor.de> Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:28:58 -0500 Paul Davis escreveu: > interesting definition of "recently" - i got my copy about 2-3 years > ago link is 3 years old ;-) do you use this for mastering? From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Sat Dec 25 14:41:19 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:41:19 +0000 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> Fabio wrote: > there doesn't seam to exist any compressor/plugin for Linux that does > it? > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Well it's easy enough to set up in Ardour using a bus and a regular compressor. I expect it should be easy enough in other software. Q From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 14:57:40 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:57:40 -0200 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:41:19 +0000 Q escreveu: > Fabio wrote: > > there doesn't seam to exist any compressor/plugin for Linux that > > does it? > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > Well it's easy enough to set up in Ardour using a bus and a regular > compressor. I expect it should be easy enough in other software. > > Q how you do that? none of the compressors i checked has ability to use negative ratio. upwards compression means it elevates volumes below threshold instead of the "opposite"(lack of word) in normal compression From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 15:36:25 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 07:36:25 -0800 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Fabio wrote: > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:41:19 +0000 > Q escreveu: > >> Fabio wrote: >> > there doesn't seam to exist any compressor/plugin for Linux that >> > does it? >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Linux-audio-user mailing list >> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > >> >> Well it's easy enough to set up in Ardour using a bus and a regular >> compressor. I expect it should be easy enough in other software. >> >> Q > > how you do that? none of the compressors i checked has ability to use > negative ratio. > upwards compression means it elevates volumes below threshold instead > of the "opposite"(lack of word) in normal compression A bit wonky but: 1) Find some compressor code and do some mods, or 2) Maybe do it mathematically. Original wave file - compressed wave file = new interesting wave file? I do #2 all the time with stock market data. Seems like you should be able to do it with sound data in sox or something. Cheers, Mark From cal at graggrag.com Sat Dec 25 15:39:53 2010 From: cal at graggrag.com (cal) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 02:39:53 +1100 Subject: [LAU] Finally got time to play! In-Reply-To: <20101225113815.47c4f532@debian> References: <20101225113815.47c4f532@debian> Message-ID: <4D161049.8040305@graggrag.com> very nice, for a sleepless in St Kilda! From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Sat Dec 25 15:47:04 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:47:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/25/2010 03:57 PM, Fabio wrote: > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:41:19 +0000 > Q escreveu: >> Well it's easy enough to set up in Ardour using a bus and a regular >> compressor. I expect it should be easy enough in other software. >> >> Q > > how you do that? none of the compressors i checked has ability to use > negative ratio. > upwards compression means it elevates volumes below threshold instead > of the "opposite"(lack of word) in normal compression you can set up two busses, both fed from the signal you want to up-compress. one is left as-is, and the other is set for compression at the threshold below which you want the up-compression to set in. now you mix both buses to the same master. the effect is that at low levels, both signal paths will be uncompressed and add up. at higher levels, the compressed signal path is attenuated and adds less gain, which is the effect you're after. there's a million variations of this scheme, you can do the same with expanders. at some point, sampo savolainen was working on a really nice compressor that includes a parallel signal path - i don't know if it was ever released, but it might be somewhere in his svn... From markknecht at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 16:12:03 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 08:12:03 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Batch conversion from Apple AAC to mp3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Mark! > ?You can batch convert the aac files to mp3. If you directory structure is > very consistent, you can do even the complete structure in one script. I > thik there is a direct aac decoder, but if you don't find one or someone > else can point you at it, mplayer will do the trick. For one directory this > would be: > for F in *.aac; do > ?mplayer -ao pcm:file=$F.wav $F > ?lame -h $F.wav $F.mp3; > done > ?So in a bigger context, say you have all the albums resting in one place, > you might pack this loop into another: > for D in *; do > ?cd $D > ?for F in *.aac; do > ?[what you've seen before...] > ?mkdir /new/directory/$D > ?mv *.mp3 /new/directory/$d > ?rm *.wav > ?cd ..; > done > ?NOTE: This only works, if the directories and files don't have spaces in > them. You can usually quote the variables you use like "$D" and that should > help. But there were some cases - and please excuse me, if I don't remember > them right now, being late and having partied -, where even this didn't work > correctly. Mind you, I think this was using "find" somewhere in the > euqation. > ?If you have artist/album, you wrap the for D in * loop in another saying: > for A in *; do > ?cd A > ?mkdir /new/directory/$A > ?for D in *; do; > ?... > ?cd ..; > done > ?NOTE2: You will losse the tags this way. > ?Oh and if you want to correct the filenames to not end in .aac.mp3 you can > use mmv: > mmv "*.aac.mp3" "#1.mp3" > ?in the for F in *.aac; do loop, as the last line. Don't forget to add the > semicolon. > ?Sorry, if this mail was rather upside down and round and round. I am a bit > fuzzy. Yet still I hope, that I could be of some assistence. > ?Kindly yours > ? ? ? ? ?Julien Wow Julien! Thanks. Basically woke up and got an early Christmas present. Thanks! Lots to think about. Basically, I have a Roku Netflix player that has a special plugin that will stream my iTunes library to the home theater system. Problem is there isn't an AAC decoder on the Roku so currently it only works for mp3 or (I think) wave files. If I can convert the library correctly then the family can listen to my library instead of just me. Problem is I think the tags have to be retained or iTunes isn't going to tell the Roku what the songs are called, etc. Time to maybe create a small library copy and do some scripting based on your inputs. Thanks! Cheers, Mark From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 16:13:19 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:13:19 -0200 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <20101225141319.7aaf6edb@arcor.de> Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:47:04 +0100 J?rn Nettingsmeier escreveu: > On 12/25/2010 03:57 PM, Fabio wrote: > > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:41:19 +0000 > > Q escreveu: > >> Well it's easy enough to set up in Ardour using a bus and a > >> regular compressor. I expect it should be easy enough in other > >> software. > >> > >> Q > > > > how you do that? none of the compressors i checked has ability to > > use negative ratio. > > upwards compression means it elevates volumes below threshold > > instead of the "opposite"(lack of word) in normal compression > > you can set up two busses, both fed from the signal you want to > up-compress. one is left as-is, and the other is set for compression > at the threshold below which you want the up-compression to set in. > > now you mix both buses to the same master. the effect is that at low > levels, both signal paths will be uncompressed and add up. at higher > levels, the compressed signal path is attenuated and adds less gain, > which is the effect you're after. > wow, audio-production is math, too...lol but man, this will result in a normal compression, only that the ratio will be lowered. I mean, lets say we have 4 signals with values: 1 2 4 8 threshold between 2 and 4 give for ex. this: 1 2 3 4 now i add both an divide by 2: 1 2 3.5 6 From julien at c-lab.de Sat Dec 25 16:25:12 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:25:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Batch conversion from Apple AAC to mp3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mark1 Glad you could do something with it. If you want to preserve the tags and if the tags in aac or id3 tags as well, I think you might use id3v2, tha same tool used by abcde to insert tags. I think it can also read them. So you could for each file read every tag and insert it in the created mp3 file. That means, after the lame command you would read each single tag in a variabe, which you would reuse for each run of the loop and then write these variables to the newmp3file, also using id3v2. If that program doesn't work for aac files, you might have a look or ask around again, I'm pretty sure, there should be something to do your bidding. :-) Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From lists at quirq.ukfsn.org Sat Dec 25 17:09:54 2010 From: lists at quirq.ukfsn.org (Q) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:09:54 +0000 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <20101225141319.7aaf6edb@arcor.de> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225141319.7aaf6edb@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4D162562.8060805@quirq.ukfsn.org> Fabio wrote: > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:47:04 +0100 > J?rn Nettingsmeier escreveu: >>> how you do that? none of the compressors i checked has ability to >>> use negative ratio. >>> upwards compression means it elevates volumes below threshold >>> instead of the "opposite"(lack of word) in normal compression >> you can set up two busses, both fed from the signal you want to >> up-compress. one is left as-is, and the other is set for compression >> at the threshold below which you want the up-compression to set in. >> >> now you mix both buses to the same master. the effect is that at low >> levels, both signal paths will be uncompressed and add up. at higher >> levels, the compressed signal path is attenuated and adds less gain, >> which is the effect you're after. >> > > wow, audio-production is math, too...lol > > but man, this will result in a normal compression, only that the ratio > will be lowered. > > I mean, lets say we have 4 signals with values: 1 2 4 8 > threshold between 2 and 4 give for ex. this: 1 2 3 4 > now i add both an divide by 2: 1 2 3.5 6 > Compression reduces the dynamic range. Ordinary or "normal" compression does it by affecting the loudest signals, reducing them in level, upwards compression does it by boosting the volume of the quietest signals -- compressing from the bottom up. This parallel processing produces upwards compression as Joern expounded on my original statement. You mention a negative ratio: are you perhaps thinking of upward expansion? Q From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 17:40:10 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:40:10 -0200 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <4D162562.8060805@quirq.ukfsn.org> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225141319.7aaf6edb@arcor.de> <4D162562.8060805@quirq.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <20101225154010.65ba9ee1@arcor.de> Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:09:54 +0000 Q escreveu: > upwards compression does it by boosting the volume of the quietest > signals -- compressing from the bottom up. This parallel processing > produces upwards compression as Joern expounded on my original > statement ok, thats what i want perhaps my math is to weak...lol I simply will try it out. just giving more info: amateur-singer, half an hour of time, lives long from here. we recorded her voice, but in the lower parts she sang very quiet, so with normal compression i would compress 95% of what is correct only to add more gain to those parts. so i thought about this option instead. probably i should simply elevate volume in those part instead. From ico at vt.edu Sat Dec 25 18:21:18 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:21:18 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Best wishes for the Holidays Message-ID: Dear Friends, On behalf of Linuxaudio international consortium (http://linuxaudio.org), DISIS (http://disismusic.vt.edu), and L2Ork (http://l2ork.music.vt.edu), please allow me to use this opportunity to wish you very best for the Holidays. May you have many more seasons of merry music making using an ever-growing array of formidable FOSS tools and solutions! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico.bukvic.net From jeremybubs at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 18:48:07 2010 From: jeremybubs at gmail.com (Jeremy) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:48:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <20101225154010.65ba9ee1@arcor.de> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225141319.7aaf6edb@arcor.de> <4D162562.8060805@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225154010.65ba9ee1@arcor.de> Message-ID: It seems like you would want to do normal compression with a very low threshold (about the noise level) and a negative ratio. then you end up with a curve like \ / \ / \ Then you can add that into your original signal, to get something approximating "upward compression". Also, perhaps the expander from tap-plugins might do what you want: http://tap-plugins.sourceforge.net/ladspa/dynamics.html Jeremy On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Fabio wrote: > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:09:54 +0000 > Q escreveu: > > > upwards compression does it by boosting the volume of the quietest > > signals -- compressing from the bottom up. This parallel processing > > produces upwards compression as Joern expounded on my original > > statement > > ok, thats what i want > > perhaps my math is to weak...lol > > I simply will try it out. > > just giving more info: amateur-singer, half an hour of time, lives long > from here. we recorded her voice, but in the lower parts she sang very > quiet, so with normal compression i would compress 95% of what is > correct only to add more gain to those parts. so i thought about this > option instead. probably i should simply elevate volume in those part > instead. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 20:01:28 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:01:28 -0200 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225141319.7aaf6edb@arcor.de> <4D162562.8060805@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225154010.65ba9ee1@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101225180128.3fce22c9@arcor.de> Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:48:07 -0500 Jeremy escreveu: > It seems like you would want to do normal compression with a very low > threshold (about the noise level) and a negative ratio. > > then you end up with a curve like > > \ > / \ > / \ > > Then you can add that into your original signal, to get something > approximating "upward compression". > > Also, perhaps the expander from tap-plugins might do what you want: > http://tap-plugins.sourceforge.net/ladspa/dynamics.html > > Jeremy > > On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Fabio wrote: > > > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:09:54 +0000 > > Q escreveu: > > > > > upwards compression does it by boosting the volume of the quietest > > > signals -- compressing from the bottom up. This parallel > > > processing produces upwards compression as Joern expounded on my > > > original statement > > > > ok, thats what i want > > > > perhaps my math is to weak...lol > > > > I simply will try it out. > > > > just giving more info: amateur-singer, half an hour of time, lives > > long from here. we recorded her voice, but in the lower parts she > > sang very quiet, so with normal compression i would compress 95% of > > what is correct only to add more gain to those parts. so i thought > > about this option instead. probably i should simply elevate volume > > in those part instead. > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > that's not possible curve has to be like this: (hope this will be look the way it looks like here) . . . . . . . but like i said, none of the compressors i have installed can do this (and I have a lot) From capoeirista at arcor.de Sat Dec 25 20:12:00 2010 From: capoeirista at arcor.de (Fabio) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:12:00 -0200 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <4D16028F.1020500@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225125740.7f2bea52@arcor.de> <4D1611F8.1050501@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20101225141319.7aaf6edb@arcor.de> <4D162562.8060805@quirq.ukfsn.org> <20101225154010.65ba9ee1@arcor.de> <20101225174557.3d7c1b24@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20101225181200.66fd443e@arcor.de> Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:00:06 -0500 Jeremy escreveu: > On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Fabio wrote: > > > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:48:07 -0500 > > Jeremy escreveu: > > > > > It seems like you would want to do normal compression with a very > > > low threshold (about the noise level) and a negative ratio. > > > > > > then you end up with a curve like > > > > > > \ > > > / \ > > > / \ > > > > > > Then you can add that into your original signal, to get something > > > approximating "upward compression". > > > > > > Also, perhaps the expander from tap-plugins might do what you > > > want: http://tap-plugins.sourceforge.net/ladspa/dynamics.html > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Fabio > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Em Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:09:54 +0000 > > > > Q escreveu: > > > > > > > > > upwards compression does it by boosting the volume of the > > > > > quietest signals -- compressing from the bottom up. This > > > > > parallel processing produces upwards compression as Joern > > > > > expounded on my original statement > > > > > > > > ok, thats what i want > > > > > > > > perhaps my math is to weak...lol > > > > > > > > I simply will try it out. > > > > > > > > just giving more info: amateur-singer, half an hour of time, > > > > lives long from here. we recorded her voice, but in the lower > > > > parts she sang very quiet, so with normal compression i would > > > > compress 95% of what is correct only to add more gain to those > > > > parts. so i thought about this option instead. probably i > > > > should simply elevate volume in those part instead. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > > > > > > that's not possible > > > > > > curve has to be like this: (hope this will be look the way it looks > > like here) > > > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > > > > > but like i said, none of the compressors i have installed can do > > this (and I have a lot) > > > > Well, normally, you might have a ratio like 3:1. What you are > demonstrating is a ratio of 1:3 or the like. I was suggesting a > ratio of -1:3 or so. I'm not sure if compressors have options to do > a 1:3 ratio, or -1:3 ratio, but they would look like you and I > suggested (respectively). > > Jeremy they can't....neither one neither the other but i had a look at your link from the tap-plugins, and it looks like in tap-dynamics i can create a function like this. thanks From jeremy at autostatic.com Sat Dec 25 21:34:12 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:34:12 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Batch conversion from Apple AAC to mp3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D166354.40301@autostatic.com> On 12/25/2010 02:37 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > I thik there is a direct aac decoder, but if you don't find one or > someone else can point you at it, mplayer will do the trick. There is a direct decoder, faad: http://www.audiocoding.com/ Best, Jeremy From arnold at arnoldarts.de Sat Dec 25 22:33:10 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:33:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] upwards compression In-Reply-To: <20101225180128.3fce22c9@arcor.de> References: <20101225115703.07399382@arcor.de> <20101225180128.3fce22c9@arcor.de> Message-ID: <201012252333.14745.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Saturday 25 December 2010 21:01:28 Fabio wrote: > curve has to be like this: (hope this will be look the way it looks like > here) > > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > > > but like i said, none of the compressors i have installed can do this > (and I have a lot) Are you looking for a noise-gate without a hard gate? I think that would give a level response like the one above... Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The ratio has to revert to 1:1 for very low levels, otherwise the gain would go to infinity. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 26 00:39:52 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 01:39:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music Message-ID: Hello all! So it's christmas and the tradition is to distribute presents. :-) I'm doing just yet. Only with presents, you never know, if the receiver likes them. :-) I don't know how to really classify that piece. As a genre I tentatively chose "Celtic". It might have some celtic elements, but I think it's just generally a little medieval. The rest is made up by moody, dark ideas and a bit of 70s charm. This piece is done using only one sample library of tron sounds. They are free sounds, provided by Taijiguy, the library in this format is not released yet and so I'll keep that, until it is. I'm sort of a beta-tester. So to the magnanimous maker of this library: A BIG THANKS! It's wonderful, absolute fun to play with. Here's the music: http://juliencoder.de/nama/dream_of_the_old_land.ogg And as usual for the oldfashioned: http://juliencoder.de/nama/dream_of_the_old_land.mp3 Or access it from the website: http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html I used minimal processing on that: Just a reverb with jconvolver and a bit of stereo panorama distribution. I hope you enjoy it and as ever feedback is always welcome. :-) Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From theother1510 at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 26 02:50:53 2010 From: theother1510 at sbcglobal.net (Stephen Stubbs) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:50:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <696132.1725.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Interesting piece, Julien. I was thinking Celtic meets Chinese or 'Celt-nese', with something going on around 3:50 that I still can't describe. Thanks for the present, Stephen. ________________________________ From: Julien Claassen To: linux-audio-user Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 6:39:52 PM Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music Hello all! So it's christmas and the tradition is to distribute presents. :-) I'm doing just yet. Only with presents, you never know, if the receiver likes them. :-) I don't know how to really classify that piece. As a genre I tentatively chose "Celtic". It might have some celtic elements, but I think it's just generally a little medieval. The rest is made up by moody, dark ideas and a bit of 70s charm. This piece is done using only one sample library of tron sounds. They are free sounds, provided by Taijiguy, the library in this format is not released yet and so I'll keep that, until it is. I'm sort of a beta-tester. So to the magnanimous maker of this library: A BIG THANKS! It's wonderful, absolute fun to play with. Here's the music: http://juliencoder.de/nama/dream_of_the_old_land.ogg And as usual for the oldfashioned: http://juliencoder.de/nama/dream_of_the_old_land.mp3 Or access it from the website: http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html I used minimal processing on that: Just a reverb with jconvolver and a bit of stereo panorama distribution. I hope you enjoy it and as ever feedback is always welcome. :-) Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From brent at keycorner.org Sun Dec 26 10:09:00 2010 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:09:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Ivan K wrote: > I was surprised to hear that so many people write their audio files to > a second drive. I always thought that most audio people preferred as > few drives as possible in a system to keep noise down. SATA drives make almost no noise. You'll get more noise from your processor and power supply fan than you ever will from even five or six SATA disks. > On a somewhat related topic, is there a brand of SATA drive that > people recommend as far as reliability, speed, and low noise? I've never gone wrong with Seagate. I've had lots of problems over the years with Western Digital. However, see recent threads about getting even more performance by recording to ramdisk/memory, provided you're secure about the stability of your system and your UPS/electrical supply (and you don't think it's going to crash or lose power during recording). Nothing will beat a ramdisk for performance. > Also, even though Terabyte drives are inexpensive these days, would a > 500 GB drive be better as far as speed (reading/writing) than a 1 TB > drive? (I really would not need a full TB anyways). I haven't noticed any significant perfomance dropoff until you start talking about the new 2TB drives. Those seem a little slow. The 1.5TB drives are pretty fast as long as you be sure to get one with 7200rpm spindle speed. They're starting to sell slower ones again, so you have to look for that now. (Up until recently, they used to almost all be 7200rpm.) > P.S. > My current Seagate 76GB SCSI drive just died and rather continue to > buy SCSI and buy high priced drives that are smaller compared to the > recent SATA drives available, I thought I would buy a SATA for my > current system as well as an new system this time. SCSI hard drives are noisy and expensive! I used to record on a SCSI setup myself. Those are loud drives. You won't believe how much quieter SATA is. It's true that SATA has slightly higher CPU usage, but it's still nowhere near as bad as regular EIDE drives used to be for that. SATA gives performance almost as good as SCSI, but much quieter, much cheaper, and much bigger disk sizes. The only thing I miss about SCSI is that long ago when I was an Amiga user, it promised to be the universal bus: Your hard drives ran on it, your CDROM, your scanner, your tape drive, your zip drive...and because most of the standards were part of the SCSI protocol itself, you didn't even need OS driver support for most things. (Amiga users survived on that fact.) Now I think the universal bus has become USB...which isn't quite the same thing. I now only use SCSI for an old but great SCSI scanner that I refuse to give up. -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From julien at c-lab.de Sun Dec 26 10:46:13 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:46:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: <696132.1725.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <696132.1725.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Stephen! You're welcome! :-) Around 3:50 huh? I suppose it's a little of the classical and prog side coming through. :-) Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From elmastero74 at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 15:12:51 2010 From: elmastero74 at gmail.com (Aaron L.) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:12:51 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: References: <696132.1725.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Awesome. Impressive samples too. Keep on rockin in the dark world. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Stephen! > You're welcome! :-) Around 3:50 huh? I suppose it's a little of the > classical and prog side coming through. :-) > > Warmly yours > Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Quietly yours :-) Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From arnold at arnoldarts.de Sun Dec 26 15:37:24 2010 From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:37:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201012261637.30281.arnold@arnoldarts.de> On Sunday 26 December 2010 11:09:00 Brent Busby wrote: > On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Ivan K wrote: > > I was surprised to hear that so many people write their audio files to > > a second drive. I always thought that most audio people preferred as > > few drives as possible in a system to keep noise down. > > SATA drives make almost no noise. You'll get more noise from your > processor and power supply fan than you ever will from even five or six > SATA disks. While that is true in general, the disk directly attached to the pc's main frame will produce a lot of low frequency noise from resonances. I found some drive-bays at reichelt that work without trays and have all the inner parts with the hdd attached via shock-absorbers. Definitely worth its 21?... http://www.reichelt.de/?ACTION=3;GROUP=E66;GROUPID=733;ARTICLE=91887;SID=2892ic8awQARwAAEpCWQke96457b63f521ffeea99e7480a588420 Have fun, Arnold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 16:26:30 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:26:30 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <201012261637.30281.arnold@arnoldarts.de> References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <201012261637.30281.arnold@arnoldarts.de> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Sunday 26 December 2010 11:09:00 Brent Busby wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Ivan K wrote: >> > I was surprised to hear that so many people write their audio files to >> > a second drive. ?I always thought that most audio people preferred as >> > few drives as possible in a system to keep noise down. >> >> SATA drives make almost no noise. ?You'll get more noise from your >> processor and power supply fan than you ever will from even five or six >> SATA disks. > > While that is true in general, the disk directly attached to the pc's main > frame will produce a lot of low frequency noise from resonances. I found some > drive-bays at reichelt that work without trays and have all the inner parts > with the hdd attached via shock-absorbers. Definitely worth its 21?... > http://www.reichelt.de/?ACTION=3;GROUP=E66;GROUPID=733;ARTICLE=91887;SID=2892ic8awQARwAAEpCWQke96457b63f521ffeea99e7480a588420 > > Have fun, > > Arnold eSata with a long cable & the audio drive placed in a quieter area. System drive could be a smallish SDD. Little noise. - Mark From allcoms at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 22:15:39 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:15:39 +0000 Subject: [LAU] state of multimedia FOSS tools In-Reply-To: References: <4D16C8C4.50701@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: Great article that, very informative stuff indeed but.. "So, what is 2011 holding for us? Here is a rough list of things we are likely to see next year: .... Ardour 3. Well, hopefully." No hopefully about it mate! If A3 doesn't get a final release in 2011 I for one will be forced to go bat(z)-shit crazy and I may not be the only one on this list flying over to PA to hold Mr Davis hostage until until its done. No no no! 2011 is the year A3 lands for sure for sure! Right Paul? Right!?! ;D Batz Goodrelease 2010/12/26 Raffaele Morelli > Good. Sometimes it's difficult to track what's going on 100% (for me at > least). I now discovered Calf plugins :) > > regards > -r > > 2010/12/26 Kim Cascone > > http://libregraphicsworld.org/articles.php?article_id=26 >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-audio-user mailing list >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user >> > > > > -- > *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata > all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla > protesta violenta e viscerale.* > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Merry Christmas everybody :) Ronan From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Dec 26 22:37:18 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:37:18 +0000 Subject: [LAU] state of multimedia FOSS tools In-Reply-To: <4D17C220.50209@jouchet.fr> References: <4D16C8C4.50701@anechoicmedia.com> <4D17C220.50209@jouchet.fr> Message-ID: <20101226223718.2b861f22@debian> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:30:56 +0100 Ronan Jouchet wrote: > Wow THAT was a freakish nightmare. I hope 2001 will see A3 too! > Merry Christmas everybody :) > > Ronan Wow! So freakish it made you jump back 10 years :P -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From hollunder at lavabit.com Sun Dec 26 22:55:57 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:55:57 +0100 Subject: [LAU] state of multimedia FOSS tools In-Reply-To: <4D16C8C4.50701@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D16C8C4.50701@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <1293403544-sup-8393@eris> Excerpts from Kim Cascone's message of 2010-12-26 05:47:00 +0100: > http://libregraphicsworld.org/articles.php?article_id=26 Quite.. interesting.. And quite funny that he wrote ardour supports LADISH (news to me) and never even mentions jack-session. I also like "First of all, active development of plug-ins stopped around mid-2000s ..." Then he lists a project called Holos, which I had never heard of before. Little surprise since it's at version 0.0.0. It was interesting to read about the graphics stuff, but I won't start about this: "G-C-M" ... "now part of gnome" ... "means" ... "now available to everyone on Linux". The G-C-M page goes on about how great the now "Deep integration into the GNOME" is. What's wrong with those people? Who the hell tells them that it's a good idea to do "deep integration" into GNOME? From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Dec 26 23:03:43 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:03:43 -0500 Subject: [LAU] state of multimedia FOSS tools In-Reply-To: <4D17C220.50209@jouchet.fr> References: <4D16C8C4.50701@anechoicmedia.com> <4D17C220.50209@jouchet.fr> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ronan Jouchet wrote: > Then a community spinoff, "Libredour", will launch, instantly giving > birth to a second fork dubbed "Abledour, because Libresomething is a > crappy name", which will be sued by Ableton, forcing a new fork called > Brdour, which will *aaaAAaah* you forgot the fork that will be created because C++ is such a crappy language. actually, there will be 7 of them, and young children will flock to each like they do to fresh candy :) but to reveal a few secrets early, the next version of ardour will be "Re-pour" and the one after that, "Ablebodied". we then plan a windows release called "Sowhat", an homage to my uncle Miles, and a followup which be used by elven folk only, called "Endor" (it will not be ewok friendly, alas). Having fully mined that particular motherlode of geek terminology in one step, the plan is to follow rui's release names for qtractor, so the version of Ardour that will lead to complete domination of the known universe will be called "incredibly hot woman with a PhD in subatomic physics and a 29:32 10k personal best who worked as an escort during college and also is the executive chef at sardignia's only 6-star restaurant". --p "its our DAW" From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 01:35:56 2010 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:35:56 +1100 Subject: [LAU] [LAD] seeking "fresh" way to process/shape human whisper in real-time In-Reply-To: <1293151399.4d13eca720784@webmail.vt.edu> References: <1293046643.4d125373664f9@webmail.vt.edu> <1293151399.4d13eca720784@webmail.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 11:43 AM, wrote: > Quoting Loki Davison : > >> Mod it with a string instrument is my preference. I know i'm a bit too >> keen on acoustic instruments now days but it would be very neat to >> have a cello or double bass, etc as the control source to be >> filtered/modulate in with the whispers or each other. Guitar or bass >> with an ebow would also work. Reso's are great for that. >> >> Loki >> > > Many thanks for the suggestion Loki. Do you mind elaborating however? I am not > sure what kind of modulation you are suggesting. Also, by reso, do you mean > resonant filter? > > Many thanks! Sorry for the slow reply, busy period! I'm suggesting you use the string instrument as the controller of the whisper source/oscillator. So in the basic case the volume of the string instrument controls the volume of the whisper. You can then extend it so the other parameters of the string instrument such as the frequency control something else like the delay, spatial location or some filtering. Layering this could sound quite interesting and you could combine layers of strings and whispers controlled by strings. Sorry for the ambiguous wording; by reso i was referring to a resonator guitar, a type of guitar that works very well with an EBow and thus would be quite cool for this use. Resonator guitars are made out of metal, I use this rather lovely sounding gold tone, Paul Beard Signature: http://www.goldtone.com/products/enlarge.asp?view=545 Loki From allcoms at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 11:15:20 2010 From: allcoms at gmail.com (allcoms) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:15:20 +0000 Subject: [LAU] potential Crystal softsynth LV2 port Message-ID: I'm sure some of you here would've heard of or used the Crystal softsynth, which has an excellent rep as being one of the best free VST/AU softsynth plugins available http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/indexDesktop.html Well it looks like it could be coming to Leenooks now as I posted to the crystal mailing list yesterday with a bunch of questions and additionally suggested an LV2 port would be great but I wasn't expecting the author to say he would consider it, which is what happened as he says he's going to look into doing an LV2 port! 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Nice to hear a bit of woodwork creaking in the Goldberg :) Thanks too for providing the specs -- it's so annoying when CD booklets don't include a stoplist! The spec reminds me of a 3-manual organ with just 7 stops, written up here http://web.archive.org/web/20070713005034/www.ondamar.demon.co.uk/essays/kilk.htm From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Dec 27 11:57:56 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:57:56 -0500 Subject: [LAU] potential Crystal softsynth LV2 port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D187F44.8030705@woh.rr.com> allcoms wrote: > I'm sure some of you here would've heard of or used the Crystal > softsynth, which has an excellent rep as being one of the best free > VST/AU softsynth plugins available > > http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/indexDesktop.html > > Well it looks like it could be coming to Leenooks now as I posted to > the crystal mailing list yesterday with a bunch of questions and > additionally suggested an LV2 port would be great but I wasn't > expecting the author to say he would consider it, which is what > happened as he says he's going to look into doing an LV2 port! That would be wonderful. Crystal is a great synth, I'd love to see a native Linux version. Best, dp From louigi.verona at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 12:56:30 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:56:30 +0300 Subject: [LAU] potential Crystal softsynth LV2 port In-Reply-To: <4D187F44.8030705@woh.rr.com> References: <4D187F44.8030705@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: This does sound like very good news. Hopefully, an LV2 port of a synth like Crystal will add weight to LV2 plugin format in general. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 27 13:07:29 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:07:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] And even more organ music In-Reply-To: <4D187DE7.5040507@gmail.com> References: <4D187DE7.5040507@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello MW! Thanks for posting this link. I enjoyed greatly reading about eh Father Willis organ. It seems to be a very clever instrument. The organ I played only had a coupler pedal for pedal to the manual. What else is there to do? :-) But I found if you couple them - only tried it once for fun -, that the respective keys on the manual get depressed as well as the pedal. Glad you liked the pieces. I'll try to be better next year. I was a loowed to keep the keys for the church and the organ, so maybe I can record some more organ over they year, if I get to borrough my friend's Zoom again. :-) Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Mon Dec 27 14:04:40 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:04:40 +0100 Subject: [LAU] And even more organ music In-Reply-To: References: <4D187DE7.5040507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D189CF8.2030406@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/27/2010 02:07 PM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello MW! > Thanks for posting this link. I enjoyed greatly reading about eh > Father Willis organ. It seems to be a very clever instrument. The organ > I played only had a coupler pedal for pedal to the manual. What else is > there to do? :-) But I found if you couple them - only tried it once for > fun -, that the respective keys on the manual get depressed as well as > the pedal. that's how most if not all mechanical couplers work, same for manual-to-manual couplers (which can be quite straining to play). looking forward to listening to the pieces! best, j?rn From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 27 15:48:26 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:48:26 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101227154826.4902a39e@debian> On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 02:59:03 +0100 (CET) Julien Claassen wrote: > Nighty chaps! > Yes it is almost 3am and I just had a small idea. It came to me, that > instruments are not always, what they are generally made out to be. So here's > my new Wurlitzer and a tiny little thing, I hope you enjoy it. It was just > recorded on the spur of the moment. No metronome used, nothing. Basically, it > just arrived and I played it unfiltered, just capturing the mood. :-) > http://juliencoder.de/q/wurli.ogg > Enjoy! > Nighty night :-) > Julien Very nice laid-back composition. Who needs metronomes anyway :) 3am and 'just playing' often works for me too. It's why I have my system permanently set up so I can be working within 5 minutes! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 27 15:50:50 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:50:50 +0000 Subject: [LAU] And even more organ music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101227155050.664b5791@debian> On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:04:32 +0100 (CET) Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello all! > So here's some more from the organ and me. Oh, I forgot to mention: It's a > small instrument in a local church here. This time recorded from directly > behind me. The first take was done from the viccar's lectern. The organ has > five stops (gedackt 8ft., principal - probably 8ft. but sounds like 4ft. -, > Rohrfloete 4ft., Waldfloete 2ft. and two mixtures - for each half of the > keyboard and a 16ft. subbass, which sounds like gedackt 16ft.). > http://juliencoder.de/jb/xmas_10 > The files endng in_close are the new ones. There's also the b minor prelude, > which I didn't take from the other session. > All files are available as ogg and mp3. > Enjoy! > Merry Christmas or wonderful holidays (whatever you prefer) > Julien Good grief! You *have* been busy :o Some very nice work here. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 27 15:52:03 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:52:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Night time wanderngs In-Reply-To: <20101227154826.4902a39e@debian> References: <20101227154826.4902a39e@debian> Message-ID: Hello Will! Thanks! Yes having your system setup for instant recording is always a good idea. So helpful, if you only hve CLI software. It's uually very quick about such things as startng and getting ready. :-) Warm regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 27 15:54:01 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:54:01 +0000 Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101227155401.5be9c86b@debian> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 01:39:52 +0100 (CET) Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello all! > So it's christmas and the tradition is to distribute presents. :-) I'm doing > just yet. Only with presents, you never know, if the receiver likes them. :-) > I don't know how to really classify that piece. As a genre I tentatively > chose "Celtic". It might have some celtic elements, but I think it's just > generally a little medieval. The rest is made up by moody, dark ideas and a > bit of 70s charm. > This piece is done using only one sample library of tron sounds. They are > free sounds, provided by Taijiguy, the library in this format is not released > yet and so I'll keep that, until it is. I'm sort of a beta-tester. So to the > magnanimous maker of this library: A BIG THANKS! It's wonderful, absolute fun > to play with. > Here's the music: > http://juliencoder.de/nama/dream_of_the_old_land.ogg > And as usual for the oldfashioned: > http://juliencoder.de/nama/dream_of_the_old_land.mp3 > Or access it from the website: > http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html > I used minimal processing on that: Just a reverb with jconvolver and a bit > of stereo panorama distribution. > I hope you enjoy it and as ever feedback is always welcome. :-) > Warmly yours > Julien Interesting. Sounds very much like a soundtrack to a silent film, possibly of oriental origin. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 27 16:07:14 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:07:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: <20101227155401.5be9c86b@debian> References: <20101227155401.5be9c86b@debian> Message-ID: Hello will! To echo you: Interesting. :-) So many people think, that this tune carries something oriental, Chinese or Japanese in particular. I didn't aim for that at all. I just thought of some kind of medieval tune and put in a bit of my typical prog and that was it. :-) Nice though. I don't mind getting more, than I (didn't :-) ) pay for. Always good to hear feedback for these things and of course to know, that someone seems to have enjoyed it. Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From seanbutnotheard at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 17:08:58 2010 From: seanbutnotheard at gmail.com (Sean Corbett) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:08:58 -0500 Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: References: <20101227155401.5be9c86b@debian> Message-ID: Julien, I love the sound of mellotron, and this is a really beautiful piece! Thanks for posting it. That bit around 3:50 gave me chills. When the sample library you used becomes public, please let the list know... I've been looking for a good free tron library. :) -sean On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello will! > ?To echo you: Interesting. :-) So many people think, that this tune carries > something oriental, Chinese or Japanese in particular. I didn't aim for that > at all. I just thought of some kind of medieval tune and put in a bit of my > typical prog and that was it. :-) Nice though. I don't mind getting more, > than I (didn't :-) ) pay for. > ?Always good to hear feedback for these things and of course to know, that > someone seems to have enjoyed it. > ?Warmly yours > ? ? ? ? ? ?Julien > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From julien at c-lab.de Mon Dec 27 17:14:09 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:14:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: References: <20101227155401.5be9c86b@debian> Message-ID: Hello sean! When the tron library becomes available it will be posted on the list. But it won't be me posting! :-) Thanks for the kind words. Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From eric.steinberg at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 22:21:47 2010 From: eric.steinberg at gmail.com (Eric Steinberg) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:21:47 -0800 Subject: [LAU] state of multimedia FOSS tools In-Reply-To: References: <4D16C8C4.50701@anechoicmedia.com> <4D17C220.50209@jouchet.fr> Message-ID: Dude! Miles Davis is your uncle? Kuuuuuullllll.... On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ronan Jouchet wrote: > > > Then a community spinoff, "Libredour", will launch, instantly giving > > birth to a second fork dubbed "Abledour, because Libresomething is a > > crappy name", which will be sued by Ableton, forcing a new fork called > > Brdour, which will *aaaAAaah* > > you forgot the fork that will be created because C++ is such a crappy > language. actually, there will be 7 of them, and young children will > flock to each like they do to fresh candy :) > > but to reveal a few secrets early, the next version of ardour will be > "Re-pour" and the one after that, "Ablebodied". we then plan a windows > release called "Sowhat", an homage to my uncle Miles, and a followup > which be used by elven folk only, called "Endor" (it will not be ewok > friendly, alas). Having fully mined that particular motherlode of geek > terminology in one step, the plan is to follow rui's release names for > qtractor, so the version of Ardour that will lead to complete > domination of the known universe will be called "incredibly hot woman > with a PhD in subatomic physics and a 29:32 10k personal best who > worked as an escort during college and also is the executive chef at > sardignia's only 6-star restaurant". > > --p "its our DAW" > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Mon Dec 27 23:36:35 2010 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:36:35 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Batch conversion from Apple AAC to mp3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101227233635.GA25877@jd-colo.catpro> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 08:12:03AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Lots to think about. Basically, I have a Roku Netflix player that has > a special plugin that will stream my iTunes library to the home > theater system. Problem is there isn't an AAC decoder on the Roku so > currently it only works for mp3 or (I think) wave files. If I can > convert the library correctly then the family can listen to my library > instead of just me. > > Problem is I think the tags have to be retained or iTunes isn't going > to tell the Roku what the songs are called, etc. > > Time to maybe create a small library copy and do some scripting based > on your inputs. Thanks! I don't know how this would play out w.r.t. tags, but MP3FS, which is a FUSE filesystem, seems rather appropriate for this sort of circumstance. It does on the fly transcoding. Having mentioned, I figured I'd look it up again to see how much chance it has of being appropriate here. Alas, it appears to be dedicated to FLAC->MP3. Too bad it can't just work with anything that ffmpeg can read, as well as do proper tag conversion. Still, maybe someone is looking for a project. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 27 23:51:14 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:51:14 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Finally got time to play! In-Reply-To: <4D161049.8040305@graggrag.com> References: <20101225113815.47c4f532@debian> <4D161049.8040305@graggrag.com> Message-ID: <20101227235114.441e670c@debian> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 02:39:53 +1100 cal wrote: > very nice, for a sleepless in St Kilda! Thanks :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Dec 27 23:52:53 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:52:53 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Finally got time to play! In-Reply-To: References: <20101225113815.47c4f532@debian> Message-ID: <20101227235253.556fb70a@debian> On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:28:47 +0100 (CET) Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Will! > Thanks for sharing this! I liked it. It spreads contentment with life an the > world aruond me. A beautiful guitar sound. Don't ask me why, but I'm rather in > love with that. :-) I think that also would have been nice in the progrock > version, with some Mellotron and softly unfolding arrangement. > Very lovely tuen, please continue sharing with us! > Warmly yours and merry Christmas (if you go for tha sort of thing :-) ) > Julien Thanks for your thought Julian. I had thought of variations on the arrangement but to be quite honest was a but afraid of spoiling it. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Dec 28 06:26:25 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:26:25 -1000 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: <20101223195012.62F42BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> References: <20101223195012.62F42BE05B@joseph.cosgroves.us> Message-ID: <4D198311.3030501@hawaii.rr.com> Sometime ago, a friend of mine reported that one manufacturer made the same model drives in both Japan and Malaysia. The ones made in Japan were great. The Malaysian-made drives were notorious for problems. Don't know if that's still true now, but I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturer factories' QA isn't all that consistent. Kevin Cosgrove wrote: > On 23 December 2010 at 19:21, Arnold Krille wrote: > >> What matters is reliability. And when you ask 10 people about >> that, you will get 10 different opinions. As you ask for >> that, here is my experience: I had seagate disks fail, I have >> seagate disks running fine since 5 years. I have western >> digital disks work fine since years. I had an IBM disk fail >> after about two years. I have maxtor disks perform good since 5 >> years. My hardware dealer recommended me samsung disks, but the >> first two I bought failed after about two years. Lets see how >> the rest of them (bought later) performs... > > I've got to agree with that. I've had Quantum, Seagate, CDC, > Western Digital, Fujitsu and IBM, and many of each over the > years. Each of those brands, except for CDC has performed > flawlessly for 5-7 years. Also, each of those brands has died > within 1-2 years. The CDCs were a problem. But, I bought them > used and back when 600MB was a huge capacity. If you have a look > at the buyer comments at an on-line retail site, Newegg would be > one, then you'll see the new user comments will have rave reviews > for many months or even over a year solid, followed by reviews > about DOA drives and drives that fail too soon. This seems to > happen for all brands I buy, which seems to add credence to the > urban lore about disk drives that some batches of drives are fine > and then batches are bad. If you could figure out which batch is > good in advance of a purchase, then you'd be set. > > As for quietness, my Seagate 7200RPM Barracuda (Ultra ATA 100, > up to 320GB) drives are very quiet. Also my Western Digital > Caviar (500GB and 1TB SATA) drives are very quiet. My Fujitsu > drives are very loud, even though they're 7200RPM. I pulled the > Fujitsu drives from my machines as they're even too loud for a > home office environment. > > If you can find a retailer that will sell you drives with a "no > questions asked" return policy, then you can decide if they're > quiet enough. For my failing drives, Newegg was good about the > DOAs. Quantum and IBM exchanged my dead drives for reconditioned > units, even though those dead drives were way past their warranty > period. Seagate customer support helped me diagnose my drive's > problem with some of their software (yes, on Linux!) and then > exchanged that drive for a reconditioned unit. I have no > experience with the other vendors' customer service folks. > > I hope that's useful info. > > As was said earlier, good luck! > > -- > Kevin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- David gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From victory747 at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 07:27:37 2010 From: victory747 at gmail.com (Victor Roetman) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:27:37 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Which SATA drive? Size? [Was: Re: partition table] In-Reply-To: References: <661981.91158.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D199169.1090904@gmail.com> On 12/26/2010 06:09 PM, Brent Busby wrote: > > SATA drives make almost no noise. You'll get more noise from your > processor and power supply fan than you ever will from even five or six > SATA disks. I recommend reading silentpcreview.com and take their recommendations if you want a quiet computer. Once I got a quiet case, quieted down the case fans, CPU fans, and the power supply, the hard drives were the noisiest part of my system. The best thing by far is to decouple the hard drive from the case. Suspending the drives in elastic bands as shown here is very cheap and very effective: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article8-page2.html This worked brilliantly for me and now my computer is almost silent in a quiet room. Or just laying the hard drive upside-down on foam rubber on the floor of the case works as well, too. This article should be interesting as well if you are interested in quiet drives: http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Hard_Drives But in general they recommend notebook hard drives if you want a quiet drive and low heat. From louigi.verona at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 10:27:41 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:27:41 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube Message-ID: Guys, did anyone try to compile this rather old but intriguing piece of software? http://www.metadecks.org/software/aube/ For me it says it needs gtk and although I have both gtk1.2 and gtk2 dev packages installed, it is still not happy. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 28 10:35:47 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:35:47 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101222074926.32008923@debian> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <20101222074926.32008923@debian> Message-ID: <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:49:26AM +0000, Folderol wrote: > On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 > Niels Mayer wrote: > > > Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio > > transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so > > much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also > > costs a lot. > > > > I think some people are totally missing the point. The O/P has already said he > doesn't want to spend a lot of money as the kit he's connecting to is only of > moderate quality. > > I don't know if the links I suggested to Ken are any good (whether he's able to > buy from those people) but I asked 'someone who knows'(tm) about these things > and was told that the 'Oxford' transformers are more than adequate for the job. > Thanks! Yes, I obtained a pair of cheap telephone isolating transformers from Radio Shack. And it works! Yay! US$8 total. It is indeed specced for 300-5000Hz, but it seems pretty flat when run with a short (1 foot or so) wire. But, I'm noticing a lot of high-end rolloff with a 20-foot wire. Are there any components I could add to combat this? Since I have the magic of JAPA handy, perhaps I'll actually measure its frequency response. Nice to have great (free) tools available for this stuff. -ken From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 28 10:46:33 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:46:33 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: Parma construction Message-ID: <20101228104633.GB9296@aieee.restivo.org> I think the LAC conference was in Parma a year or so ago, well here's a documentary (in Italiano) about the construction taking over the area: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z3u7y-SN2O0 Weird. The scenes in this film look to me like Marin and Sonoma counties: generic office parks lining the highways, with vineyards and cattle grazing off in the distance. -ken From rennabh at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 10:52:13 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:52:13 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:27:41 +0300 Louigi Verona wrote: > Guys, did anyone try to compile this rather old but intriguing piece > of software? > > http://www.metadecks.org/software/aube/ > > For me it says it needs gtk and although I have both gtk1.2 and gtk2 > dev packages installed, it is still not happy. > for me ./configure went smoothly, though it gave this error in "make": aube.c:12:23: fatal error: gdk_imlib.h: No such file or directory Louigi, have you tried running "./configure --with-gtk-prefix=PFX" with PFX being the "Prefix where GTK is installed (optional)"? (got it from ./configure --help) HTH renato From mike at linuxdsp.co.uk Tue Dec 28 11:12:48 2010 From: mike at linuxdsp.co.uk (linuxdsp) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:12:48 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <20101222074926.32008923@debian> <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4D19C630.1050005@linuxdsp.co.uk> Ken Restivo wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:49:26AM +0000, Folderol wrote: >> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 >> Niels Mayer wrote: >> >>> Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio >>> transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so >>> much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also >>> costs a lot. >> >> >> I think some people are totally missing the point. The O/P has already said he >> doesn't want to spend a lot of money as the kit he's connecting to is only of >> moderate quality. >> >> I don't know if the links I suggested to Ken are any good (whether he's able to >> buy from those people) but I asked 'someone who knows'(tm) about these things >> and was told that the 'Oxford' transformers are more than adequate for the job. >> > > Thanks! > > Yes, I obtained a pair of cheap telephone isolating transformers from Radio Shack. And it works! Yay! US$8 total. > > It is indeed specced for 300-5000Hz, but it seems pretty flat when run with a short (1 foot or so) wire. But, I'm noticing a lot of high-end rolloff with a 20-foot wire. Are there any components I could add to combat this? This is why you need transformers that are properly designed for the use you intend to put them to. It might seem like a cheaper option to buy anything you can find that looks like it might work, but this is often a false economy. It might be better to consider if the problem you want to solve can be achieved without resorting to transformers of any kind. I suspect that you will find the response (even into a foot or so of wire) is very far from flat. > Since I have the magic of JAPA handy, perhaps I'll actually measure its frequency response. Nice to have great (free) tools available for this stuff. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 28 10:55:14 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:55:14 -0800 Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: References: <20101227155401.5be9c86b@debian> Message-ID: <20101228105514.GC9296@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:08:58PM -0500, Sean Corbett wrote: > Julien, > > I love the sound of mellotron, and this is a really beautiful piece! > Thanks for posting it. That bit around 3:50 gave me chills. When the > sample library you used becomes public, please let the list know... > I've been looking for a good free tron library. :) > > -sean > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Julien Claassen wrote: > > Hello will! > > ?To echo you: Interesting. :-) So many people think, that this tune carries > > something oriental, Chinese or Japanese in particular. I didn't aim for that > > at all. I just thought of some kind of medieval tune and put in a bit of my > > typical prog and that was it. :-) Nice though. I don't mind getting more, > > than I (didn't :-) ) pay for. > > ?Always good to hear feedback for these things and of course to know, that > > someone seems to have enjoyed it. > > ?Warmly yours > > ? ? ? ? ? ?Julien > > I'm remembering what someone shouted out at ProgFest in L.A. in 1993 when Anglagaard finished their first song: "MORE MELLOTRON!!!" (This was before the whole "more cowbell" meme came about). A friend of mine had lent the band his Mellotrons-- they didn't bring theirs over on the trip. Very nice piece! Nice to hear a whole orchestration done solely with Mellotron samples. Yes, doing parallel 5ths almost anywhere in a piece makes it sound to Westerners like Chinese music. I'm not sure why. -ken From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Dec 28 10:56:38 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:56:38 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <20101222074926.32008923@debian> <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101228105638.6787c7bd@debian> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:35:47 -0800 Ken Restivo wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:49:26AM +0000, Folderol wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 > > Niels Mayer wrote: > > > > > Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio > > > transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so > > > much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also > > > costs a lot. > > > > > > > > I think some people are totally missing the point. The O/P has already said he > > doesn't want to spend a lot of money as the kit he's connecting to is only of > > moderate quality. > > > > I don't know if the links I suggested to Ken are any good (whether he's able to > > buy from those people) but I asked 'someone who knows'(tm) about these things > > and was told that the 'Oxford' transformers are more than adequate for the job. > > > > Thanks! > > Yes, I obtained a pair of cheap telephone isolating transformers from Radio Shack. And it works! Yay! US$8 total. > > It is indeed specced for 300-5000Hz, but it seems pretty flat when run with a short (1 foot or so) wire. But, I'm noticing a lot of high-end rolloff with a 20-foot wire. Are there any components I could add to combat this? > > Since I have the magic of JAPA handy, perhaps I'll actually measure its frequency response. Nice to have great (free) tools available for this stuff. > > -ken Put the transformers on the end of the wire furthest from the laptop output. You'll then get the full benefit of the laptop's low output impedance. Also, if it is an actual headphone socket on the laptop that you are using, put 47ohm resistors across the primaries of the transformers. This will dampen line inductance and capacitance effects. Sometimes you can also improve the response by putting resistors across the secondaries of the transformers - I know that sounds counter-intuitive. You would have to play about with the values as it depends very much on the transformer characteristics. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Dec 28 10:56:42 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:56:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D19C26A.6070502@autostatic.com> On 12/28/2010 11:52 AM, Renato wrote: > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:27:41 +0300 > Louigi Verona wrote: > >> Guys, did anyone try to compile this rather old but intriguing piece >> of software? >> >> http://www.metadecks.org/software/aube/ >> >> For me it says it needs gtk and although I have both gtk1.2 and gtk2 >> dev packages installed, it is still not happy. >> > > for me ./configure went smoothly, though it gave this error in "make": > > aube.c:12:23: fatal error: gdk_imlib.h: No such file or directory > > Louigi, have you tried running "./configure --with-gtk-prefix=PFX" with > PFX being the "Prefix where GTK is installed (optional)"? (got it > from ./configure --help) > > HTH > renato Louigi, you're on Ubuntu right? You need libgtk1.2 but there are no Ubuntu packages for that version so you could try the Debian Lenny packages. Best, Jeremy From louigi.verona at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 10:56:46 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:56:46 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Renato wrote: > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:27:41 +0300 > Louigi Verona wrote: > > > Guys, did anyone try to compile this rather old but intriguing piece > > of software? > > > > http://www.metadecks.org/software/aube/ > > > > For me it says it needs gtk and although I have both gtk1.2 and gtk2 > > dev packages installed, it is still not happy. > > > > for me ./configure went smoothly, though it gave this error in "make": > > aube.c:12:23: fatal error: gdk_imlib.h: No such file or directory > > Louigi, have you tried running "./configure --with-gtk-prefix=PFX" with > PFX being the "Prefix where GTK is installed (optional)"? (got it > from ./configure --help) > > HTH > renato > I tried it, but maybe I am putting in something wrong. I checked Synaptic, it seems most files of gtk dev are in usr/lib, several in lib/include. I tried doing ./configure --with-gtk-prefix=usr/lib, but it did not help. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Dec 28 11:04:28 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:04:28 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> On 12/28/2010 11:52 AM, Renato wrote: > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:27:41 +0300 > Louigi Verona wrote: > >> Guys, did anyone try to compile this rather old but intriguing piece >> of software? >> >> http://www.metadecks.org/software/aube/ >> >> For me it says it needs gtk and although I have both gtk1.2 and gtk2 >> dev packages installed, it is still not happy. >> > > for me ./configure went smoothly, though it gave this error in "make": > > aube.c:12:23: fatal error: gdk_imlib.h: No such file or directory > > Louigi, have you tried running "./configure --with-gtk-prefix=PFX" with > PFX being the "Prefix where GTK is installed (optional)"? (got it > from ./configure --help) > > HTH > renato hello Renato, You also need gdk-imlib11. On Debian Lenny Aube would compile fine I think, on Ubuntu you will end up in a dependency hell ;) Best, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Dec 28 11:10:42 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:10:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D19C5B2.4060007@autostatic.com> On 12/28/2010 11:56 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Renato wrote: > >> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:27:41 +0300 >> Louigi Verona wrote: >> >>> Guys, did anyone try to compile this rather old but intriguing piece >>> of software? >>> >>> http://www.metadecks.org/software/aube/ >>> >>> For me it says it needs gtk and although I have both gtk1.2 and gtk2 >>> dev packages installed, it is still not happy. >>> >> >> for me ./configure went smoothly, though it gave this error in "make": >> >> aube.c:12:23: fatal error: gdk_imlib.h: No such file or directory >> >> Louigi, have you tried running "./configure --with-gtk-prefix=PFX" with >> PFX being the "Prefix where GTK is installed (optional)"? (got it >> from ./configure --help) >> >> HTH >> renato >> > > > I tried it, but maybe I am putting in something wrong. I checked Synaptic, > it seems most files of gtk dev are in > usr/lib, several in lib/include. > I tried doing ./configure --with-gtk-prefix=usr/lib, but it did not help. > Hello Louigi, You need the following Debian Lenny packages for Aube to compile: gdk-imlib11_1.9.15-7_i386.deb gdk-imlib11-dev_1.9.15-7_i386.deb imlib-base_1.9.15-7_all.deb libglib1.2-dev_1.2.10-19_i386.deb libglib1.2ldbl_1.2.10-19_i386.deb libgtk1.2_1.2.10-18.1_i386.deb libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18.1_all.deb libgtk1.2-dev_1.2.10-18.1_i386.deb After that it should compile and run, at least it does on my Ubuntu 10.04 32bits system. Best, Jeremy From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 28 11:11:38 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:11:38 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <4D19C630.1050005@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <20101222074926.32008923@debian> <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> <4D19C630.1050005@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <20101228111138.GD9296@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:12:48AM +0000, linuxdsp wrote: > Ken Restivo wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:49:26AM +0000, Folderol wrote: >>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 >>> Niels Mayer wrote: >>> >>>> Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio >>>> transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so >>>> much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also >>>> costs a lot. >>> >>> >>> I think some people are totally missing the point. The O/P has already said he >>> doesn't want to spend a lot of money as the kit he's connecting to is only of >>> moderate quality. >>> >>> I don't know if the links I suggested to Ken are any good (whether he's able to >>> buy from those people) but I asked 'someone who knows'(tm) about these things >>> and was told that the 'Oxford' transformers are more than adequate for the job. >>> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Yes, I obtained a pair of cheap telephone isolating transformers from Radio Shack. And it works! Yay! US$8 total. >> >> It is indeed specced for 300-5000Hz, but it seems pretty flat when run with a short (1 foot or so) wire. But, I'm noticing a lot of high-end rolloff with a 20-foot wire. Are there any components I could add to combat this? > > This is why you need transformers that are properly designed for the use > you intend to put them to. It might seem like a cheaper option to buy > anything you can find that looks like it might work, but this is often a > false economy. It might be better to consider if the problem you want > to solve can be achieved without resorting to transformers of any kind. > I suspect that you will find the response (even into a foot or so of > wire) is very far from flat. > Well, fine, but, it's a moot point since I don't have any money. If "properly designed" == "expensive" (and it usually does), then it's a non-starter for me. I am trying to make the best I can out of the cheapest components available. So far, so good. This will do just fine. I'll experiment with some damping resistors and see how that works. If not, good enough for now. Thanks everyone for the advice. -ken From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Dec 28 11:12:11 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:12:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <4D19C5B2.4060007@autostatic.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> <4D19C5B2.4060007@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4D19C60B.9090201@autostatic.com> On 12/28/2010 12:10 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/28/2010 11:56 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Renato wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:27:41 +0300 >>> Louigi Verona wrote: >>> >>>> Guys, did anyone try to compile this rather old but intriguing piece >>>> of software? >>>> >>>> http://www.metadecks.org/software/aube/ >>>> >>>> For me it says it needs gtk and although I have both gtk1.2 and gtk2 >>>> dev packages installed, it is still not happy. >>>> >>> >>> for me ./configure went smoothly, though it gave this error in "make": >>> >>> aube.c:12:23: fatal error: gdk_imlib.h: No such file or directory >>> >>> Louigi, have you tried running "./configure --with-gtk-prefix=PFX" with >>> PFX being the "Prefix where GTK is installed (optional)"? (got it >>> from ./configure --help) >>> >>> HTH >>> renato >>> >> >> >> I tried it, but maybe I am putting in something wrong. I checked >> Synaptic, >> it seems most files of gtk dev are in >> usr/lib, several in lib/include. >> I tried doing ./configure --with-gtk-prefix=usr/lib, but it did not help. >> > > Hello Louigi, > > You need the following Debian Lenny packages for Aube to compile: > gdk-imlib11_1.9.15-7_i386.deb > gdk-imlib11-dev_1.9.15-7_i386.deb > imlib-base_1.9.15-7_all.deb > libglib1.2-dev_1.2.10-19_i386.deb > libglib1.2ldbl_1.2.10-19_i386.deb > libgtk1.2_1.2.10-18.1_i386.deb > libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18.1_all.deb > libgtk1.2-dev_1.2.10-18.1_i386.deb > > After that it should compile and run, at least it does on my Ubuntu > 10.04 32bits system. > > Best, > > Jeremy And don't forget to delete config.cache before running ./configure again. Best, Jeremy From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 28 11:18:03 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 06:18:03 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4D19C76B.3000701@woh.rr.com> Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > > You also need gdk-imlib11. On Debian Lenny Aube would compile fine I > think, on Ubuntu you will end up in a dependency hell ;) > Hear the man. Ubuntu has deprecated GTK 1.2 so you won't be able to retrieve the dependencies easily. I suppose you could find the sources and build GTK 1.2 yourself. What fun. :-/ Best, dp From jeremy at autostatic.com Tue Dec 28 11:29:53 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:29:53 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <4D19C76B.3000701@woh.rr.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> <4D19C76B.3000701@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D19CA31.5010403@autostatic.com> On 12/28/2010 12:18 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> >> You also need gdk-imlib11. On Debian Lenny Aube would compile fine I >> think, on Ubuntu you will end up in a dependency hell ;) >> > > Hear the man. Ubuntu has deprecated GTK 1.2 so you won't be able to > retrieve the dependencies easily. I suppose you could find the sources > and build GTK 1.2 yourself. What fun. :-/ > > Best, > > dp > Managed to build it on my Ubuntu 10.04 install. The synth is weieieird, you can draw envelopes, pretty cool actually. Best, Jeremy From louigi.verona at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 11:39:28 2010 From: louigi.verona at gmail.com (Louigi Verona) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:39:28 +0300 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <4D19CA31.5010403@autostatic.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> <4D19C76B.3000701@woh.rr.com> <4D19CA31.5010403@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > On 12/28/2010 12:18 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >> >>> >>> You also need gdk-imlib11. On Debian Lenny Aube would compile fine I >>> think, on Ubuntu you will end up in a dependency hell ;) >>> >>> >> Hear the man. Ubuntu has deprecated GTK 1.2 so you won't be able to >> retrieve the dependencies easily. I suppose you could find the sources >> and build GTK 1.2 yourself. What fun. :-/ >> >> Best, >> >> dp >> >> > Managed to build it on my Ubuntu 10.04 install. The synth is weieieird, you > can draw envelopes, pretty cool actually. > > Best, > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > Jeremy, thanks for help, compiled fine on Ubuntu 9.04 - everything was in Synaptic. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 28 11:48:19 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 06:48:19 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <4D19CA31.5010403@autostatic.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> <4D19C76B.3000701@woh.rr.com> <4D19CA31.5010403@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <4D19CE83.2070107@woh.rr.com> Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > > Managed to build it on my Ubuntu 10.04 install. The synth is > weieieird, you can draw envelopes, pretty cool actually. > Yes, I remember it. I devoted some space to it in my book. Been a long time since I looked at it. Best, dp From mike at linuxdsp.co.uk Tue Dec 28 12:10:39 2010 From: mike at linuxdsp.co.uk (linuxdsp) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:10:39 +0000 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <20101228111138.GD9296@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <20101222074926.32008923@debian> <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> <4D19C630.1050005@linuxdsp.co.uk> <20101228111138.GD9296@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4D19D3BF.8060404@linuxdsp.co.uk> Ken Restivo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:12:48AM +0000, linuxdsp wrote: >> Ken Restivo wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:49:26AM +0000, Folderol wrote: >>>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 >>>> Niels Mayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio >>>>> transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so >>>>> much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also >>>>> costs a lot. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think some people are totally missing the point. The O/P has already said he >>>> doesn't want to spend a lot of money as the kit he's connecting to is only of >>>> moderate quality. >>>> >>>> I don't know if the links I suggested to Ken are any good (whether he's able to >>>> buy from those people) but I asked 'someone who knows'(tm) about these things >>>> and was told that the 'Oxford' transformers are more than adequate for the job. >>>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Yes, I obtained a pair of cheap telephone isolating transformers from Radio Shack. And it works! Yay! US$8 total. >>> >>> It is indeed specced for 300-5000Hz, but it seems pretty flat when run with a short (1 foot or so) wire. But, I'm noticing a lot of high-end rolloff with a 20-foot wire. Are there any components I could add to combat this? >> This is why you need transformers that are properly designed for the use >> you intend to put them to. It might seem like a cheaper option to buy >> anything you can find that looks like it might work, but this is often a >> false economy. It might be better to consider if the problem you want >> to solve can be achieved without resorting to transformers of any kind. >> I suspect that you will find the response (even into a foot or so of >> wire) is very far from flat. >> > > Well, fine, but, it's a moot point since I don't have any money. If "properly designed" == "expensive" (and it usually does), then it's a non-starter for me. > > I am trying to make the best I can out of the cheapest components available. So far, so good. This will do just fine. I'll experiment with some damping resistors and see how that works. If not, good enough for now. > > Thanks everyone for the advice. > > -ken > You may be able to solve the original problem without resorting to transformers at all, which might work out better, especially if funds are limited. IIRC you wanted to isolate the ground? Are you trying to fix an earth / hum loop or some other issue? From julien at c-lab.de Tue Dec 28 12:05:25 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:05:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New medieval/darkly moody mellotron music In-Reply-To: <20101228105514.GC9296@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101227155401.5be9c86b@debian> <20101228105514.GC9296@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: Hello Ken! May I meet your friend? :-) Lending his MellotronS(!)? :-) Going back to my Mellotron now (may it only be virtual...) :-). Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From hraj50 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 15:00:16 2010 From: hraj50 at yahoo.com (Basavaraj Hiremath) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 07:00:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LAU] USB ISO Read and write Message-ID: <70165.50636.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi,I have implemented/ported USB device driver on the custom platform(ARM processor).I am trying to read and write audio data through to USB headphone.These are my questions? 1) USB isochronous read is an asynchronous call, how can I read data from the mic and send immediatly to speaker(just to make echo), 2) How much data needs to be read from the mic and send to speaker without loosing audio quality?(is it every frames (1msec data) or more buffering can be done) Basically, how can I read from mic and send to speaker continuously without loosing data? 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(-> no latency penalty) - clickless connections. - shuts down audio processing when cpu is overloaded for too long. i also released PyJackd which is a wrapper around libjackserver. features: - commandline for backendswitching - pulseaudio dbus reservation. get it here: http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/tschack-0.120.1.tar.gz http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/PyJackd-0.1.0.tar.gz -- torben Hohn From rennabh at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 16:11:09 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:11:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Compiling Aube In-Reply-To: <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> References: <20101228115213.49fb40ec@gmail.com> <4D19C43C.7040707@autostatic.com> Message-ID: <20101228171109.784a809e@gmail.com> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:04:28 +0100 Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > You also need gdk-imlib11. On Debian Lenny Aube would compile fine I > think, on Ubuntu you will end up in a dependency hell ;) > thanks! it compiled now (added to AUR for Archers) renato From perodog at gmx.net Tue Dec 28 16:19:07 2010 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:19:07 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [LAA] jack_freewheel_button 0.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1A0DFB.7030104@gmx.net> On 28.12.2010 01:05, Mike Cookson wrote: > This button allowes to free / unfree jack time wheel or just monitor > freewheel state. Written on python > Browse sources via GitWeb: http://repo.or.cz/w/jack_freewheel_button.git > To get sources type this command: git clone > git://repo.or.cz/jack_freewheel_button.git > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-announce mailing list > Linux-audio-announce at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-announce > hallo, what is the recommended way of installing this one? i cannot find it out myself in the moment... cheers, doc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kim at anechoicmedia.com Tue Dec 28 18:49:14 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:49:14 -0800 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 Message-ID: <4D1A312A.200@anechoicmedia.com> I want to build qtractor 0.4.7 with vst hosting capabilities so following the instructions in the README.VST text file I downloaded the vst include files, placed them at root in '/usr/include/' and proceeded to build qtractor 0.4.7 on Ubuntu 10.10 by the way, I'm using the 2.6.35-24-generic kernel (since it works with broadcom drivers) the './configure' got as far as looking for the jack libs (which I do have installed and am using on a daily basis) and failed here is the error message from './configure': 'checking for main in -ljack... no configure: error: JACK library not found.' is there something in the jack lib that wasn't installed or is there a path I need to fix somewhere? any help is appreciated! KIM From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 28 18:58:27 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:58:27 -0500 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 In-Reply-To: <4D1A312A.200@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1A312A.200@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1A3353.3050503@woh.rr.com> Kim Cascone wrote: > I want to build qtractor 0.4.7 with vst hosting capabilities so > following the instructions in the README.VST text file > > I downloaded the vst include files, placed them at root in > '/usr/include/' > and proceeded to build qtractor 0.4.7 on Ubuntu 10.10 > > by the way, I'm using the 2.6.35-24-generic kernel (since it works > with broadcom drivers) > > the './configure' got as far as looking for the jack libs > (which I do have installed and am using on a daily basis) > and failed > here is the error message from './configure': > > 'checking for main in -ljack... no > configure: error: JACK library not found.' > > is there something in the jack lib that wasn't installed or is there a > path I need to fix somewhere? > > any help is appreciated! > KIM > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 28 18:59:32 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:59:32 -0500 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 In-Reply-To: <4D1A312A.200@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1A312A.200@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1A3394.8040801@woh.rr.com> Kim Cascone wrote: > I want to build qtractor 0.4.7 with vst hosting capabilities so > following the instructions in the README.VST text file > > I downloaded the vst include files, placed them at root in > '/usr/include/' > and proceeded to build qtractor 0.4.7 on Ubuntu 10.10 > > by the way, I'm using the 2.6.35-24-generic kernel (since it works > with broadcom drivers) > > the './configure' got as far as looking for the jack libs > (which I do have installed and am using on a daily basis) > and failed > here is the error message from './configure': > > 'checking for main in -ljack... no > configure: error: JACK library not found.' > > is there something in the jack lib that wasn't installed or is there a > path I need to fix somewhere? Hi Kim, Woops, hit the wrong button the first time. :) Do you have the JACK dev package installed ? Best, dp From fons at kokkinizita.net Tue Dec 28 19:14:27 2010 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (fons at kokkinizita.net) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:14:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] OT: Parma construction In-Reply-To: <20101228104633.GB9296@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101228104633.GB9296@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101228191427.GA4200@zita2.home> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 02:46:33AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > I think the LAC conference was in Parma a year or so ago, well here's a documentary (in Italiano) about the construction taking over the area: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z3u7y-SN2O0 Just looked at part 1. Some of the places shown look very familiar... And yes, there's a lot of construction going on, according to well informed sources it's mostly about cleaning dirty money. Ciao, -- FA There are three of them, and Alleline. From brent at keycorner.org Tue Dec 28 19:31:18 2010 From: brent at keycorner.org (Brent Busby) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:31:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions Message-ID: My old MPC2000 (non-XL) is starting to act oddly, and it has got me thinking about whether I should even continue depending on the Akai hardware, which generates rock solid sequencer time, but is eventually going to be unmaintainable, and leave me with a lot of sequences and sample libraries in various odd proprietary formats. So while I'm working on getting my MPC working again, I'm also checking into the possibility of replacing its usefulness with a mixture of Hydrogen, Jack, Linuxsampler, and Ardour. There are a few questions though: 1) This is probably pretty basic, but...can you send each drum/instrument in a Hydrogen kit out a different physical audio output in Jack? My whole setup is very much based on physical hardware -- a real mixer board, real rack effects, etc. I haven't heard a Ladspa plugin yet that offered EQ that really satisfied me much, and I'm used to being able to do EQ on my mixer from the 10 outputs of my MPC, individually, per track, and also using rack effects from the effects loops and a real hardware patchbay. I could keep doing that if I can send individual Hydrogen tracks out to audio outputs on my RME Multiface. I could also add more outputs as needed. It'd be ideal if you could just route individual tracks to hardware outputs via Jack. 2) Hydrogen seems a lot like the Roland TR-series drum machines, based on putting notes on "ticks" on a grid. I didn't see much mention of free-form human feel drumming though. Is there a way to just not quantize at all, and realize at least a standard 96 ticks per quarter note type of resolution (or more)? 3) Also, all the discussion of entering rhythms in the documentation seemed to involve using the QWERTY keyboard, which obviously isn't going to be velocity-sensitive. Is there a way to have an outboard synthesizer keyboard (or even better, my Simmons drumset with Roland PM16 pad-to-midi) play or sequence Hydrogen patterns via midi, with full velocity sensitivity? QWERTY keyboard is an awful way to have to sequence. 4) If these are things that are beyond Hydrogen's abilities, would I be better off trying to go through Muse or Rosegarden to achieve these things? Or maybe just stick with hardware samplers for now? I'm mostly attracted to the idea of doing sampling and sequencing on FOSS software rather than on hardware samplers because the saved data doesn't have orphanhood in its future that way. Any ideas on how best to go about making Linux audio software replace an Akai MPC? -- + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys + UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of + Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, + James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Dec 28 19:48:52 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:48:52 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101228194852.78b11375@debian> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:31:18 -0600 (CST) Brent Busby wrote: > My old MPC2000 (non-XL) is starting to act oddly, and it has got me > thinking about whether I should even continue depending on the Akai > hardware, which generates rock solid sequencer time, but is eventually > going to be unmaintainable, and leave me with a lot of sequences and > sample libraries in various odd proprietary formats. > > So while I'm working on getting my MPC working again, I'm also checking > into the possibility of replacing its usefulness with a mixture of > Hydrogen, Jack, Linuxsampler, and Ardour. There are a few questions > though: > > 1) This is probably pretty basic, but...can you send each > drum/instrument in a Hydrogen kit out a different physical audio > output in Jack? My whole setup is very much based on physical > hardware -- a real mixer board, real rack effects, etc. I haven't > heard a Ladspa plugin yet that offered EQ that really satisfied me > much, and I'm used to being able to do EQ on my mixer from the 10 > outputs of my MPC, individually, per track, and also using rack > effects from the effects loops and a real hardware patchbay. I could > keep doing that if I can send individual Hydrogen tracks out to audio > outputs on my RME Multiface. I could also add more outputs as > needed. It'd be ideal if you could just route individual tracks to > hardware outputs via Jack. Not directly but you can have multiple instances of hydrogen so your could send groups of sounds to different effects. > 2) Hydrogen seems a lot like the Roland TR-series drum machines, based > on putting notes on "ticks" on a grid. I didn't see much mention of > free-form human feel drumming though. Is there a way to just not > quantize at all, and realize at least a standard 96 ticks per quarter > note type of resolution (or more)? It accepts normal MIDI messages, so an external keyboard can directly control it, so can a sequencer like Rosegarden. > 3) Also, all the discussion of entering rhythms in the documentation > seemed to involve using the QWERTY keyboard, which obviously isn't > going to be velocity-sensitive. Is there a way to have an outboard > synthesizer keyboard (or even better, my Simmons drumset with Roland > PM16 pad-to-midi) play or sequence Hydrogen patterns via midi, with > full velocity sensitivity? QWERTY keyboard is an awful way to have > to sequence. See above! > 4) If these are things that are beyond Hydrogen's abilities, would I be > better off trying to go through Muse or Rosegarden to achieve these > things? Or maybe just stick with hardware samplers for now? I'm > mostly attracted to the idea of doing sampling and sequencing on FOSS > software rather than on hardware samplers because the saved data > doesn't have orphanhood in its future that way. See above again :) > Any ideas on how best to go about making Linux audio software replace an > Akai MPC? Not a clue - never had one! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From heikki.ketoharju at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 19:56:57 2010 From: heikki.ketoharju at gmail.com (Heikki Ketoharju) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:56:57 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions In-Reply-To: <20101228194852.78b11375@debian> References: <20101228194852.78b11375@debian> Message-ID: <4D1A4109.8030506@gmail.com> Hi! >> >> 1) This is probably pretty basic, but...can you send each >> drum/instrument in a Hydrogen kit out a different physical audio >> output in Jack? My whole setup is very much based on physical >> hardware -- a real mixer board, real rack effects, etc. I haven't >> heard a Ladspa plugin yet that offered EQ that really satisfied me >> much, and I'm used to being able to do EQ on my mixer from the 10 >> outputs of my MPC, individually, per track, and also using rack >> effects from the effects loops and a real hardware patchbay. I could >> keep doing that if I can send individual Hydrogen tracks out to audio >> outputs on my RME Multiface. I could also add more outputs as >> needed. It'd be ideal if you could just route individual tracks to >> hardware outputs via Jack. > > Not directly but you can have multiple instances of hydrogen so your could send > groups of sounds to different effects. > Indeed newer versions of Hydrogen have per-instrument outputs. I'm not sure how stable that is, tough. Heikki Ketoharju From gabrbedd at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 20:01:47 2010 From: gabrbedd at gmail.com (Gabriel M. Beddingfield) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:01:47 -0600 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012281401.47265.gabrbedd@gmail.com> On Tuesday, December 28, 2010 01:31:18 pm Brent Busby wrote: > 1) This is probably pretty basic, but...can you send each > drum/instrument in a Hydrogen kit out a different > physical audio output in Jack? My whole setup is very Yes. In the audio driver setup, there is a check-box called "per-instrument outputs." This will create an output port for each instrument/sample. > 2) Hydrogen seems a lot like the Roland TR-series drum > machines, based on putting notes on "ticks" on a grid. > I didn't see much mention of free-form human feel > drumming though. Is there a way to just not quantize at > all, and realize at least a standard 96 ticks per > quarter note type of resolution (or more)? Yes, just disable "quantization" -- which is a little push- button on the pattern editor. Use MIDI record to record a pattern using a controller. > 3) Also, all the discussion of entering rhythms in the > documentation seemed to involve using the QWERTY > keyboard, which obviously isn't going to be > velocity-sensitive. Is there a way to have an outboard Use the MIDI record feature. The QWERTY stuff is just for uber-geeks. You can edit velocity and even panning for each note. -gabriel From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Dec 28 20:09:08 2010 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:09:08 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions In-Reply-To: <4D1A4109.8030506@gmail.com> References: <20101228194852.78b11375@debian> <4D1A4109.8030506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101228200908.4c00412e@debian> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:56:57 +0200 Heikki Ketoharju wrote: > Hi! > > >> > >> 1) This is probably pretty basic, but...can you send each > >> drum/instrument in a Hydrogen kit out a different physical audio > >> output in Jack? My whole setup is very much based on physical > >> hardware -- a real mixer board, real rack effects, etc. I haven't > >> heard a Ladspa plugin yet that offered EQ that really satisfied me > >> much, and I'm used to being able to do EQ on my mixer from the 10 > >> outputs of my MPC, individually, per track, and also using rack > >> effects from the effects loops and a real hardware patchbay. I could > >> keep doing that if I can send individual Hydrogen tracks out to audio > >> outputs on my RME Multiface. I could also add more outputs as > >> needed. It'd be ideal if you could just route individual tracks to > >> hardware outputs via Jack. > > > > Not directly but you can have multiple instances of hydrogen so your could send > > groups of sounds to different effects. > > > > Indeed newer versions of Hydrogen have per-instrument outputs. I'm not > sure how stable that is, tough. > > Heikki Ketoharju That's interesting. I didn't realise that. To be sure, I've just updated my copy to V0.9.4 as in debian squeeze, hunted around and found the checkbox in perferences - too a peek in qjackctl and there they all are ... woo! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From rennabh at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 20:14:02 2010 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:14:02 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101228211402.7b4b5bc9@gmail.com> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:31:18 -0600 (CST) Brent Busby wrote: > Any ideas on how best to go about making Linux audio software replace > an Akai MPC? > If you'll not use Hydrogen sequencing capabilities, you might want to look into tapeutape or specimen instead for loading the drum samples. From the little I've used these it seems to me specimen offers the more flexibility of all 3, without being bloated The only other thing you'll use that way is the ease of hydrogen's drum kits (sample collections) which are shared amongst users... but anyway they can be exported to .wav and loaded into other samplers cheers renato From philippe.hezaine at free.fr Tue Dec 28 20:36:01 2010 From: philippe.hezaine at free.fr (=?UTF-8?B?UGhpbCBIw6l6YWluZQ==?=) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:36:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions In-Reply-To: <20101228211402.7b4b5bc9@gmail.com> References: <20101228211402.7b4b5bc9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D1A4A31.8060204@free.fr> Le 28/12/2010 21:14, Renato a ?crit : > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:31:18 -0600 (CST) > Brent Busby wrote: > >> Any ideas on how best to go about making Linux audio software replace >> an Akai MPC? >> > > If you'll not use Hydrogen sequencing capabilities, you might want to > look into tapeutape or specimen instead for loading the drum samples. > From the little I've used these it seems to me specimen offers the more > flexibility of all 3, without being bloated > > The only other thing you'll use that way is the ease of hydrogen's drum > kits (sample collections) which are shared amongst users... but anyway > they can be exported to .wav and loaded into other samplers > > cheers > renato Hello, If you know how to write (or copy and paste) drums parts with Lilypond you could try "Le Puzzle du Batteur - The Drummer's Gigsaw". Then, the resulting randomized midifile could be used with Hydrogen or csDrummer... Cheers. From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 21:03:09 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:03:09 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Balance between performance and noise In-Reply-To: <4D0137AC.6080106@gareus.org> References: <4CF0DC41.3050901@gmail.com> <201011271311.39849.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <4D011379.4060408@gareus.org> <4D011461.9070409@gmail.com> <4D0137AC.6080106@gareus.org> Message-ID: <4D1A508D.9090503@gmail.com> On 12/09/2010 09:10 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 12/09/2010 06:39 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >> On 12/09/2010 06:35 PM, Robin Gareus wrote: >>> On 11/27/10 13:11, Arnold Krille wrote: >>> >>>> Set ther cpu-governor to performance (so it doesn't switch >>>> frequencies which >>>> produces xruns) but reduce the maximum allowed frequency. >>>> >>> what kernel are you running? >>> >>> 2.6.33.7-rt29 >>> >> That one ^ >> >> You tested it with yoshimi, hammond or other heavy patches? Foo-yc20 ? > different toolset here, but I can go from naught to 16 jconvolvers, > csound, fluidsynth, ardour& jamin in a few seconds. causing the CPU > usage to jump up and change freq w/o x-runs. > > ..what does cause problems here is FSBus frequency scaling, I've > disabled that in the BIOS. > > Cheers! > robin It's been a while, but I'm not sure if I have that setting on my T61 I have in my BIOS: Intel R Speedstep technology Mode for AC Battery Adaptive Therman Management AC Batt. CPU Power Management PCI PCI E Regards, \r From ken at restivo.org Tue Dec 28 21:35:03 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:35:03 -0800 Subject: [LAU] OT: isolating transformers, redux In-Reply-To: <4D19D3BF.8060404@linuxdsp.co.uk> References: <20101221190557.GD19978@aieee.restivo.org> <20101222074926.32008923@debian> <20101228103547.GA9296@aieee.restivo.org> <4D19C630.1050005@linuxdsp.co.uk> <20101228111138.GD9296@aieee.restivo.org> <4D19D3BF.8060404@linuxdsp.co.uk> Message-ID: <20101228213503.GA29121@aieee.restivo.org> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:10:39PM +0000, linuxdsp wrote: > Ken Restivo wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:12:48AM +0000, linuxdsp wrote: >>> Ken Restivo wrote: >>>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:49:26AM +0000, Folderol wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:07 -0800 >>>>> Niels Mayer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jensen has some really good application papers talking about audio >>>>>> transformers. By induction, one might get an idea of why they cost so >>>>>> much -- same reason why other "pro" stuff with a reputable name also >>>>>> costs a lot. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think some people are totally missing the point. The O/P has already said he >>>>> doesn't want to spend a lot of money as the kit he's connecting to is only of >>>>> moderate quality. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know if the links I suggested to Ken are any good (whether he's able to >>>>> buy from those people) but I asked 'someone who knows'(tm) about these things >>>>> and was told that the 'Oxford' transformers are more than adequate for the job. >>>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Yes, I obtained a pair of cheap telephone isolating transformers from Radio Shack. And it works! Yay! US$8 total. >>>> >>>> It is indeed specced for 300-5000Hz, but it seems pretty flat when run with a short (1 foot or so) wire. But, I'm noticing a lot of high-end rolloff with a 20-foot wire. Are there any components I could add to combat this? >>> This is why you need transformers that are properly designed for the >>> use you intend to put them to. It might seem like a cheaper option >>> to buy anything you can find that looks like it might work, but this >>> is often a false economy. It might be better to consider if the >>> problem you want to solve can be achieved without resorting to >>> transformers of any kind. >>> I suspect that you will find the response (even into a foot or so of >>> wire) is very far from flat. >>> >> >> Well, fine, but, it's a moot point since I don't have any money. If "properly designed" == "expensive" (and it usually does), then it's a non-starter for me. >> >> I am trying to make the best I can out of the cheapest components available. So far, so good. This will do just fine. I'll experiment with some damping resistors and see how that works. If not, good enough for now. >> >> Thanks everyone for the advice. >> >> -ken >> > > You may be able to solve the original problem without resorting to > transformers at all, which might work out better, especially if funds > are limited. IIRC you wanted to isolate the ground? Are you trying to > fix an earth / hum loop or some other issue? Ah, thanks. The issue is ground hum, yes: hellacious, +10dB ground hum, louder than the program material. It has to do with an automotive application. +12VDC to the laptop (or +5VDC to iPod), +12VDC to the amp, and probably improper ground isolation within the laptop or iPod. I have had this problem before with laptops, but not as severe, and solved it by simply lifting the ground pin on the AC adapter. There is no AC adapter here so that's not an option. But the transformer works well enough, so I'm happy. -ken From ken at restivo.org Wed Dec 29 08:57:18 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:57:18 -0800 Subject: [LAU] And even more organ music In-Reply-To: References: <4D187DE7.5040507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101229085718.GA23690@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 02:07:29PM +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello MW! > Thanks for posting this link. I enjoyed greatly reading about eh Father > Willis organ. It seems to be a very clever instrument. The organ I played > only had a coupler pedal for pedal to the manual. What else is there to > do? :-) But I found if you couple them - only tried it once for fun -, > that the respective keys on the manual get depressed as well as the > pedal. > Glad you liked the pieces. I'll try to be better next year. I was a > loowed to keep the keys for the church and the organ, so maybe I can > record some more organ over they year, if I get to borrough my friend's > Zoom again. :-) Very nice playing! Always love some Bach. And awesome you got to play an actual vintage organ from the period of the peices you're playing. All's we gots here is Aoleus, which is still pretty good. -ken From hollunder at lavabit.com Wed Dec 29 08:58:16 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 09:58:16 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] tschack-0.120.1 and PyJackd-0.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20101228155714.GB2086@siel.b> References: <20101228155714.GB2086@siel.b> Message-ID: <1293612993-sup-1799@eris> Excerpts from torbenh's message of 2010-12-28 16:57:14 +0100: > > hi... > > since jack1 release is taking pretty long, i decided to stop waiting > with a tschack release. > > tschack is an SMP aware fork of jack1. > its a dropin replacement like jack2. > > features: > - jack1 mlocking > - controlapi which works even when libjackserver.so is loaded RTLD_LOCAL > - smp aware > - backendswitching > - strictly synchronous like jack1. (-> no latency penalty) > - clickless connections. > - shuts down audio processing when cpu is overloaded for too long. > > i also released PyJackd which is a wrapper around libjackserver. > > features: > - commandline for backendswitching > - pulseaudio dbus reservation. > > > get it here: > http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/tschack-0.120.1.tar.gz > http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/PyJackd-0.1.0.tar.gz Not sure what half of that means :) One thing I think you forgot to mention but might be of interest is jack-session support From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 29 10:26:40 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:26:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] And even more organ music In-Reply-To: <20101229085718.GA23690@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4D187DE7.5040507@gmail.com> <20101229085718.GA23690@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: Hello Ken! I wouldn't be to sure about the age of that organ. The church is a modern building and so is - I suspect - the organ. Still nice to sit there and play it. :-) Warm regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From rncbc at rncbc.org Wed Dec 29 10:27:03 2010 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:27:03 +0000 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 In-Reply-To: <4D1A312A.200@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1A312A.200@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <172fc8dc93cfedbc43e133342211972f@www.rncbc.org> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:49:14 -0800, Kim Cascone wrote: > I want to build qtractor 0.4.7 with vst hosting capabilities so > following the instructions in the README.VST text file > > I downloaded the vst include files, placed them at root in > '/usr/include/' > and proceeded to build qtractor 0.4.7 on Ubuntu 10.10 > > by the way, I'm using the 2.6.35-24-generic kernel (since it works > with broadcom drivers) > > the './configure' got as far as looking for the jack libs > (which I do have installed and am using on a daily basis) > and failed > here is the error message from './configure': > > 'checking for main in -ljack... no > configure: error: JACK library not found.' > > is there something in the jack lib that wasn't installed or is there > a path I need to fix somewhere? > > any help is appreciated! > KIM > could it be that you don't have the necessary development stuff installed ? depending on the distro these are packages with -devel (fedora, opensuse .rpm) or -dev (debian, ubuntu .deb). The names might not be quite exactly the same but look forward to install all of these and their respective dependencies (assuming the debian/ubuntu numenclature): mandatory: libqt4-dev libasound2-dev libjack-dev libsndfile-dev optional: libvorbis-dev libmad0-dev ladspa-sdk libsamplerate-dev dssi-dev liblo-dev librubberband-dev libslv2-dev lv2core HTH -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 11:40:42 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea grammostola) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:40:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler Message-ID: Hi, I'm searching for bass giga samples, electric but especially Jazz double bass. Tips? Thanks in advance \r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 29 11:47:03 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:47:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Rosea! I didn't have too close a look at thenm, but Dan Dean sells a collection of bass samples in gig-format. I think, they should have all you need. I seem to remember, that they weren't too expensive, especially considering, what they have in that library. Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 15:03:31 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 07:03:31 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:40 AM, rosea grammostola wrote: > Hi, > > > I'm searching for bass giga samples, electric but especially Jazz double > bass. Tips? > > > Thanks in advance > > \r I own one of Scarbee's libraries. (Now Native Instruments.) It's pretty good. Not cheap but not grossly expensive. http://www.scarbee.com/ - Mark From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 18:57:08 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:57:08 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> On 12/29/2010 04:03 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:40 AM, rosea grammostola > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> I'm searching for bass giga samples, electric but especially Jazz double >> bass. Tips? >> >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> \r > I own one of Scarbee's libraries. (Now Native Instruments.) It's > pretty good. Not cheap but not grossly expensive. > > http://www.scarbee.com/ Is it still available as gigastudio files? \r From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Dec 29 18:58:46 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:58:46 -0800 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 - part 2 Message-ID: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> OK many thanks to Dave and Rui! :) - missing Jack dev files was the problem it seems that after my upgrade the dev files were not installed so I installed them and was able to compile qtractor with vst - I tested it with discoDSP/highlife sampler and it works one problem though...I am not able to use LV2 plugs how do I set the 'configure' to include the services listed below? Version: 0.4.7 Build: Dec 28 2010 11:57:17 MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 (libmad) file support disabled. Pitch-shifting support (librubberband) disabled. OSC service support (liblo) disabled. DSSI Plug-in support disabled. LV2 Plug-in support disabled. 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A focus by the LAU Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer term. I own GigaStudio 3 & 4 but also other samplers as well, as dedicated sample players. Over time I'm slowly migrating to other sample file formats for that reason. All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't face these issues. BTW - I notice the Bardstown Fender Bass is available for GigaStudio. (According to the web site) I've not heard it myself but Kip does nice work so it's a fairly safe option. Go listen to his MP3's. http://bardstownaudio.com/insite/frames/CD-F.html Note that just because a library is GigaStudio compatible does not make it LinuxSampler compatible, assuming you are using LinuxSampler. Hope this helps, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Dec 29 19:24:54 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:24:54 -0500 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 - part 2 In-Reply-To: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1B8B06.4030403@woh.rr.com> Kim Cascone wrote: > OK many thanks to Dave and Rui! :) - missing Jack dev files was the > problem > > it seems that after my upgrade the dev files were not installed > > so I installed them and was able to compile qtractor with vst - I > tested it with discoDSP/highlife sampler and it works > > one problem though...I am not able to use LV2 plugs > > how do I set the 'configure' to include the services listed below? > > > Version: 0.4.7 > Build: Dec 28 2010 11:57:17 > MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 (libmad) file support disabled. > Pitch-shifting support (librubberband) disabled. > OSC service support (liblo) disabled. > DSSI Plug-in support disabled. > LV2 Plug-in support disabled. > JACK Session support disabled. > > Hi Kim, At first look I'd say you're missing the dev packages for those features. So you'll need libmad-dev, liblo-dev, and so forth. You shouldn't have to do anything else if things are in their expected locations, the LV2 support is enabled by default in the configure script. The script will throw the errors you've received if it doesn't find the dev packages. You may need to compile JACK yourself for session support, but someone else will have to verify that. I'm still on Jack1 on my machines. HTH, dp From julien at c-lab.de Wed Dec 29 19:28:42 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:28:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] New music with new toys Message-ID: Hello everyone! I got myself a new piano for christmas, so I had to test it and there was just a tune, absolutely perfect for it. The Maerzlied (march song), which I had on my mind, well since March. :-0 http://juliencoder.de/nama/maerzlied.ogg Or the other one: http://juliencoder.de/nama/maerzlied.mp3 Or go and have a look at the website: http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html The song is a mixture of 70s easy listening, entertainment music and funk. The main instrument use was the Black Grand Ambient from Sampletekk and a lot of other samples. First time I tyried the Philharmonia violin from linuxsampler.org as well. and my good, old trusty Clav has its appearance. I must say, the Clav can really be an absolutely, hellishly, cool bastard, if it wants to. :-) I tried to make it sound like 70s, so the softly filter cymbal, the slightly strange sounding Eqing on the piano are results, I had to work for, no accidents. :-) Just in case you've been wonderng. :-) Enjoy1 Feedback as ever... Welcome and appreciated. :-) Kindly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From perodog at gmx.net Wed Dec 29 19:37:27 2010 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:37:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 - part 2 In-Reply-To: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1B8DF7.8040900@gmx.net> On 29.12.2010 19:58, Kim Cascone wrote: > OK many thanks to Dave and Rui! :) - missing Jack dev files was the > problem > > it seems that after my upgrade the dev files were not installed > > so I installed them and was able to compile qtractor with vst - I > tested it with discoDSP/highlife sampler and it works > > one problem though...I am not able to use LV2 plugs > > how do I set the 'configure' to include the services listed below? > > > Version: 0.4.7 > > Build: Dec 28 2010 11:57:17 > hallo kim, i suppose for this you will need to have installed: > > > MPEG-1 > Audio Layer 3 (libmad) file support disabled. > libmad and libmad-dev > > > Pitch-shifting > support (librubberband) disabled. > librubberband and librubberband-dev > > > OSC service > support (liblo) disabled. > liblo and liblo-dev > > > DSSI > Plug-in support disabled. > for this dssi-dev > > > LV2 Plug-in > support disabled. > for this libslv2 and the libslv2-dev libraries (this is all, how it is called in debian sid. other distributions might call it different, but not that much different...) > > > JACK > Session support disabled. > for this you will need a jackd from svn, since jack-session-support is still not released. just browse synaptic, or what ever tool you use for installing packages and find the libraries and the appropriate dev's (developing libraries). hope this will help you for moving forward?! cheers, doc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Dec 29 19:38:31 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:38:31 -0800 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 - part 2 In-Reply-To: <4D1B8B06.4030403@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1B8B06.4030403@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1B8E37.2050309@anechoicmedia.com> On 12/29/2010 11:24 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Kim Cascone wrote: >> OK many thanks to Dave and Rui! :) - missing Jack dev files was the >> problem >> >> it seems that after my upgrade the dev files were not installed >> >> so I installed them and was able to compile qtractor with vst - I >> tested it with discoDSP/highlife sampler and it works >> >> one problem though...I am not able to use LV2 plugs >> >> how do I set the 'configure' to include the services listed below? >> >> >> Version: 0.4.7 >> Build: Dec 28 2010 11:57:17 >> MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 (libmad) file support disabled. >> Pitch-shifting support (librubberband) disabled. >> OSC service support (liblo) disabled. >> DSSI Plug-in support disabled. >> LV2 Plug-in support disabled. >> JACK Session support disabled. >> >> > > Hi Kim, > > At first look I'd say you're missing the dev packages for those > features. So you'll need libmad-dev, liblo-dev, and so forth. ok -- I guess much of my dev files didn't get re-installed on my upgrade for some reason will check it out and try again > You shouldn't have to do anything else if things are in their expected > locations, the LV2 support is enabled by default in the configure script. > The script will throw the errors you've received if it doesn't find > the dev packages. I didn't see anything in the './configure' stage but I was basically only looking for vst success then -- will try again and see what's going on > > You may need to compile JACK yourself for session support, but someone > else will have to verify that. I'm still on Jack1 on my machines. it's using Jack I'm still on jackdmp version 1.9.6 because upgrading to 2 would wipe out all my apps - so says Synaptic thanks again!! KIM > > HTH, > > dp > > From rncbc at rncbc.org Wed Dec 29 19:44:56 2010 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:44:56 +0000 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 - part 2 In-Reply-To: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1B8FB8.2030706@rncbc.org> On 12/29/2010 06:58 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > OK many thanks to Dave and Rui! :) - missing Jack dev files was the problem > > it seems that after my upgrade the dev files were not installed > > so I installed them and was able to compile qtractor with vst - I tested > it with discoDSP/highlife sampler and it works > > one problem though...I am not able to use LV2 plugs > > how do I set the 'configure' to include the services listed below? > > > Version: 0.4.7 > Build: Dec 28 2010 11:57:17 shameless plug: you could grab the latest svn snapshot instead, from here: http://www.rncbc.org/snapshots#qtractor it should read version 0.4.7.49 attotw, which will make your life easier wrt. lv2 support for instance, perhaps... besides, it has a plethora of fixes included too ;) anyway, you must install the following ones and for some, the hell of their dependents: > MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3 (libmad) file support disabled. libmad0-dev > Pitch-shifting support (librubberband) disabled. librubberband-dev > OSC service support (liblo) disabled. > DSSI Plug-in support disabled. dssi-dev liblo-dev > LV2 Plug-in support disabled. libslv2-dev lv2core > JACK Session support disabled. wait, for this you will need to build either jack1 or 2 (or even tschack) from its own svn trunk (tschack might be from git repo. ask torbenh) then proceed to ./configure and watch for its summary report. when happy go make :) cheers -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc at rncbc.org From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:12:27 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:12:27 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D1B962B.3010407@gmail.com> On 12/29/2010 08:23 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:57 AM, rosea.grammostola > wrote: >> On 12/29/2010 04:03 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:40 AM, rosea grammostola >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm searching for bass giga samples, electric but especially Jazz double >>>> bass. Tips? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> >>>> \r >>> I own one of Scarbee's libraries. (Now Native Instruments.) It's >>> pretty good. Not cheap but not grossly expensive. >>> >>> http://www.scarbee.com/ >> Is it still available as gigastudio files? >> >> \r > I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU > Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer > term. > Makes me worrying to... But what could we do about it? > I own GigaStudio 3& 4 but also other samplers as well, as dedicated > sample players. Over time I'm slowly migrating to other sample file > formats for that reason. All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't > face these issues. > > BTW - I notice the Bardstown Fender Bass is available for GigaStudio. > (According to the web site) I've not heard it myself but Kip does nice > work so it's a fairly safe option. Go listen to his MP3's. > > http://bardstownaudio.com/insite/frames/CD-F.html I'll check it out, thanks. > Note that just because a library is GigaStudio compatible does not > make it LinuxSampler compatible, assuming you are using LinuxSampler. How to check if it's compatible? Thanks. \r From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:23:51 2010 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:23:51 -0200 Subject: [LAU] qtractor 0.4.7 - part 2 In-Reply-To: <4D1B8FB8.2030706@rncbc.org> References: <4D1B84E6.6050400@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1B8FB8.2030706@rncbc.org> Message-ID: Kim! I have this build script for Arch, probably Ubuntu is quite similar: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qtractor-vst-svn/qtractor-vst-svn/PKGBUILD On Arch the dev/devel packages are packaged with the "normal" ones, so you just need to repeat each one with "-dev" added. From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:27:22 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:27:22 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4D1B962B.3010407@gmail.com> References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B962B.3010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>> Is it still available as gigastudio files? >>> >>> \r >> >> I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU >> Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer >> term. >> > Makes me worrying to... But what could we do about it? > Get the LS people to actively support not only Giga format but also EXS24/Structure/Kontakt/HALion formats. Gig is dead but will remain for a long time to come. Why would new library manufacturers bother doing it though? This came up in some other discussion here concerning copying samples into an unpopulated Gig file. (Gig Edit conversation IIRC) >> I own GigaStudio 3& ?4 but also other samplers as well, as dedicated >> sample players. Over time I'm slowly migrating to other sample file >> formats for that reason. All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't >> face these issues. >> >> BTW - I notice the Bardstown Fender Bass is available for GigaStudio. >> (According to the web site) I've not heard it myself but Kip does nice >> work so it's a fairly safe option. Go listen to his MP3's. >> >> http://bardstownaudio.com/insite/frames/CD-F.html > > I'll check it out, thanks. >> >> Note that just because a library is GigaStudio compatible does not >> make it LinuxSampler compatible, assuming you are using LinuxSampler. > > How to check if it's compatible? Buy it, try it and hope? The Bardstown Bosendorfer 16-bit worked reasonably well with LS last time I used LS. (3 or more years ago now...) I'm sure it works with GigaStudio, but that does you no good. (Other than hoping that means something about LS.) if I was purchasing today I'd buy the EXS24 or Kontakt formats most likely. Cheers, Mark From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Dec 29 20:39:34 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:39:34 -0500 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU > Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer > term. > > I own GigaStudio 3 & 4 but also other samplers as well, as dedicated > sample players. Over time I'm slowly migrating to other sample file > formats for that reason. Hi Mark, I'm curious, what formats currently dominate the Windows sampler worlds ? Are any of them open-source formats ? Also, in your opinion is SFZ/SF2 a decent replacement for GIG ? > All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't face these issues. > > Until they die too. :) Best, dp From yw.werner at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:41:11 2010 From: yw.werner at gmail.com (Yosef Werner) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:41:11 +0200 Subject: [LAU] HDSP mixer doesnt open. openSuse 11.3 Message-ID: Hi everyone, recently updated my Suse to 11.3 everything seems working but the hdsp matrix mixer doesn't open, thus I don't get sound via the rme 9652. The hdsp config opens and the card is recognised by system. Could this be due to a problem in alsa-tools-gui 10.0.23 (in 11.2 I used alsa-tools-gui 10.0.21) My system core2duo e4500 intel MB 6giga ram rme hdsp 9652 opensuse 11.3 Appreciate your help Yosef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 29 20:53:47 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:53:47 -0500 Subject: [LAU] HDSP mixer doesnt open. openSuse 11.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Yosef Werner wrote: > Hi everyone, > > recently updated my Suse to 11.3 everything seems working but the hdsp > matrix mixer doesn't open, thus I don't get sound via the rme 9652. The hdsp > config opens and the card is recognised by system. Could this be due to a > problem in alsa-tools-gui 10.0.23 (in 11.2 I used alsa-tools-gui 10.0.21) no, its not "due to" a problem ... it *is* a problem with alsa-tools-gui, since this program is part of that package. the same issue occurs on fedora. i filed a bug report more than a year ago. i have no idea what the problem is. the packager does not have an RME card to test it with; self-compiling it creates a working application. From ico at vt.edu Wed Dec 29 20:57:18 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:57:18 -0500 Subject: [LAU] PD L2Ork 20101229 snapshot now available Message-ID: <1293656239.16107.5.camel@monsoon> Please excuse cross-posting. Dear friends and fellow FOSS enthusiasts, It is my great pleasure to share with the community a belated Holiday present :-) in a form of latest snapshot of L2Ork iteration of Pure-Data. Better than ever, the latest version comes with the following improvements: *implemented apply undo for array properties and partially implemented apply undo for graph-on-parent object properties (does not apply to abstractions or top-level windows currently until I figure out how to address the indexing of toplevel windows inside the glist as well as how to address to which window such an undo belongs). *properties are disabled when right-clicking on an abstraction as modifying its settings externally does not make sense when one does not see the actual contents inside it. So, to edit the properties of an abstraction, one has to open the actual abstraction. *fixed how new arrays are created so that they always fit within the specified boundaries. Please note arrays that have been already created in prior patches remain untouched in terms of graph auto-resizing (legacy code is provided in g_editor.c canvas_vis that deals with this if anyone wishes to convert their arrays but is incomplete in that it assumes all arrays require resizing--this is however unnecessary as simple recreation of said arrays or manual readjustment of their settings ought to do the trick. -This feature needs further testing--feedback is most appreciated. *fixed how arrays deal with moving array points via mouse by restricting them within the array bounds--this should work for all gui-driven array operations, while array alterations via snapshots and other external ways of manipulating arrays remain unbound so as to allow for traditional data-flow debugging--this may change down the road in part due to introduction of the magicGlass option and in part due to belief that data monitoring should only report ranges specified by the graph. -This feature needs further testing--feedback is most appreciated. *added new feature for arrays where they report a bang through the _changed send (if one is provided) whenever they have been altered by a mouse click'n'drag--this in conjunction with array graph auto-resizing makes arrays formidable alternatives for multisliders. -This feature needs further testing--feedback is most appreciated. *when an array subpatch is opened and resized, the array automatically now resizes to properly fill the window. -This feature needs further testing--feedback is most appreciated. *fixed where array was not visible after reopening the patch if any of its points touched upon y graph limits. *fixed couple of segfaults caused by gridflow incompatibility--more problems remain with gridflow library compatibility, likely due to widgetbehavior and possibly also magicGlass incompatibility. Further investigation is necessary. *fixed memory leak in the disis_phasor~ external where the destructor was never properly called and updated its documentation (available in the l2ork_addons package). *fixed highlighting of signal nlets where nlet would revert to non-signal appearance after being highlighted/connected. *reintroduced array listview (this was a regression in respect to pd-extended). *improved appearance of the array listview. *fixed a few broken links in the pddp documentation and added new l2ork-specific array features to the pddp documentation. Latest snapshot is available from the usual place: http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Complete changelog since 11/25/2010 is available here: http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/data/pd/Changelog Happy belated Holidays! Best wishes, Ico From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:57:51 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:57:51 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU >> Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer >> term. >> >> I own GigaStudio 3 & 4 but also other samplers as well, as dedicated >> sample players. Over time I'm slowly migrating to other sample file >> formats for that reason. > > Hi Mark, > > I'm curious, what formats currently dominate the Windows sampler worlds ? > Are any of them open-source formats ? > It's a guess on my part Dave but I think the two I suggested I'd buy: EXS24 and Kontakt. I have no idea if either is Open Source. Different vendors do support them so there must be some spec for it. Bardstown supports lots of formats. How can a 1 guy company do that without open specs? > Also, in your opinion is SFZ/SF2 a decent replacement for GIG ? > No idea what those are? Some sort of Sound Font derivative? > >> All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't face these issues. >> >> > > Until they die too. :) > Yeah, and I'd happily go with an Open Source sampler if there was an Open Source sampler. LS isn't and I don't know of an alternative. I use what I use because it works and it's long since paid for and not necessarily because I want to. Cheers, Mark From jostein at vait.se Wed Dec 29 21:03:37 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:03:37 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012292203.37618.jostein@vait.se> onsdag 29 december 2010 12.47.03 skrev Julien Claassen: > Hello Rosea! > I didn't have too close a look at thenm, but Dan Dean sells a collection > of bass samples in gig-format. I think, they should have all you need. I > seem to remember, that they weren't too expensive, especially considering, > what they have in that library. Having this samples myself, I can only confirm what Julien says. The Dan Dean Giga Bass Collection is great and you find it with some demo melodies here: http://www.dandeanpro.com/sample_lib/product_detail.php?pid=11 Jostein From countfuzzball at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 21:31:03 2010 From: countfuzzball at gmail.com (Andrew C) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:31:03 +0000 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Last time I checked, LS is Open Source, but just not completely GPL. Which isn't really much of an issue unless you want to sell embedded hardware that runs LS of course. Also, I had this discussion about SF2 and SFZ on the linuxsampler mailing list a while back. Long and short of it is that SF2 is an older, monolithic file format with limited modulation capabilities designed by EMU/Creative whereas SFZ is quite a recently (and open format, like SF2) developed format that seperates the .wav multisamples from the programming bits and is designed by Roland/Cakewalk (but bears no relation to the Soundfont format). Andrew. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU >>> Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer >>> term. >>> >>> I own GigaStudio 3 & 4 but also other samplers as well, as dedicated >>> sample players. Over time I'm slowly migrating to other sample file >>> formats for that reason. >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> I'm curious, what formats currently dominate the Windows sampler worlds ? >> Are any of them open-source formats ? >> > > It's a guess on my part Dave but I think the two I suggested I'd buy: > EXS24 and Kontakt. I have no idea if either is Open Source. Different > vendors do support them so there must be some spec for it. Bardstown > supports lots of formats. How can a 1 guy company do that without open > specs? > >> Also, in your opinion is SFZ/SF2 a decent replacement for GIG ? >> > > No idea what those are? Some sort of Sound Font derivative? > >> >>> All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't face these issues. >>> >>> >> >> Until they die too. :) >> > > Yeah, and I'd happily go with an Open Source sampler if there was an > Open Source sampler. LS isn't and I don't know of an alternative. I > use what I use because it works and it's long since paid for and not > necessarily because I want to. > > Cheers, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Dec 29 22:11:52 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:11:52 -0500 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1BB228.4070703@woh.rr.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> I'm curious, what formats currently dominate the Windows sampler worlds ? >> Are any of them open-source formats ? >> >> > > It's a guess on my part Dave but I think the two I suggested I'd buy: > EXS24 and Kontakt. I have no idea if either is Open Source. Different > vendors do support them so there must be some spec for it. Bardstown > supports lots of formats. How can a 1 guy company do that without open > specs? > Thanks, Mark. I'm pretty sure that Kontakt's native file format is proprietary, but a Google search didn't help much. Kontakt itself is able to load/play a variety of formats, correct ? > >> Also, in your opinion is SFZ/SF2 a decent replacement for GIG ? >> >> > > No idea what those are? Some sort of Sound Font derivative? > > Apparently. See Andrew's response. :) >>> All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't face these issues. >>> >>> >>> >> Until they die too. :) >> >> > > Yeah, and I'd happily go with an Open Source sampler if there was an > Open Source sampler. LS isn't and I don't know of an alternative. I > use what I use because it works and it's long since paid for and not > necessarily because I want to. > I know, I'm just ribbin' ya. My MIDI sequencer of choice is a closed-source DOS program, feel free to give me the same ribs. :) Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 22:17:47 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:17:47 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4D1BB228.4070703@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> <4D1BB228.4070703@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > > I know, I'm just ribbin' ya. My MIDI sequencer of choice is a closed-source > DOS program, feel free to give me the same ribs. :) > > Best, > > dp Sequencer Plug Gold perhaps? My all time favorite and now for free after all these years: http://turtlebeach.com/support/index.php?View=files&CategoryID=315 - Mark From roberto at zenvoid.org Wed Dec 29 22:27:24 2010 From: roberto at zenvoid.org (Roberto) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:27:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4d1bb5ce.e4e8d80a.31e0.4ccd@mx.google.com> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:31:03PM +0000, Andrew C wrote: > Last time I checked, LS is Open Source, but just not completely GPL. > Which isn't really much of an issue unless you want to sell embedded > hardware that runs LS of course. The problem with LinuxSampler license has been discused many times, it is a bit more complex that that. The problem is that adding an additional restriction to the GPL makes the license self contradictory and the software becomes "undistributable" (that's why Debian removed it also from its non-free repository). It is explained in the official GPL FAQ: Q: I'd like to license my code under the GPL, but I'd also like to make it clear that it can't be used for military and/or commercial uses. Can I do this? A: No, because those two goals contradict each other. The GNU GPL is designed specifically to prevent the addition of further restrictions [...] They should have chosen a proprietary license, free for no commercial, to achive what they want while avoidind the GPL in their code. Of course many people (me included) would prefer it to be pure GPL, but a proprietary license would be much better that the current situation. From georg.rudolph at schwaben.de Wed Dec 29 22:49:01 2010 From: georg.rudolph at schwaben.de (Georg Rudolph) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:49:01 +0100 Subject: [LAU] HDSP mixer doesnt open. openSuse 11.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1BBADD.3090102@schwaben.de> Am 29.12.2010 21:41, schrieb Yosef Werner: > Hi everyone, > > recently updated my Suse to 11.3 everything seems working but the hdsp > matrix mixer doesn't open, thus I don't get sound via the rme 9652. > The hdsp config opens and the card is recognised by system. Could this > be due to a problem in alsa-tools-gui 10.0.23 (in 11.2 I used > alsa-tools-gui 10.0.21) > .... > rme hdsp 9652 > opensuse 11.3 > > Appreciate your help > > Yosef > > Hi Yosef, have a Multiface II, but I think it's related: On 15.5.2010 I sent the fix on alsa-devel: [alsa-devel] [PATCH] hdspmixer buffer overflow to fix https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=5006 the attached patch for alsa-tools is proposed: Summary: Fix buffer overflow in hdspmixer You will find the patch in bugtrack or in that mail in the alsa-devel archives. The then new, shiny Suse-Libraries catched this aging one. The patch got applied upstream, but there is no alsa-tools-gui x.24 yet. Compiling the src-rpm with the patch added will do it :) Regards, Georg. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 22:54:22 2010 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:54:22 -0600 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <4D1BB228.4070703@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> <4D1BB228.4070703@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > I know, I'm just ribbin' ya. My MIDI sequencer of choice is a closed-source > DOS program, feel free to give me the same ribs. :) when I see an article in LJ with you extolling the virtues of an Atari-based studio, I'll know things have gone too far, and we must have an intervention. :) -- Josh Lawrence www.hardbop200.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Dec 29 22:56:37 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:56:37 -0500 Subject: [LAU] HDSP mixer doesnt open. openSuse 11.3 In-Reply-To: <4D1BBADD.3090102@schwaben.de> References: <4D1BBADD.3090102@schwaben.de> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Georg Rudolph wrote: > have a Multiface II, but I think it's related: On 15.5.2010 I sent the > fix on alsa-devel: thanks! I passed this on to the fedora package maintainer. From kim at anechoicmedia.com Thu Dec 30 01:50:17 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:50:17 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector Message-ID: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> I have a Dell Studio 1537 which has a 4 pin 1394 connector I checked to see if my Ubuntu 10.10 upgrade would allow my Presonus Firebox to work which it allegedly does: http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/33 but my system didn't recognize my Firebox after plugging it into my Dell using a 4-pin to 6-pin cable so of course I'm wondering if I need to buy an ExpressCard Firewire adapter and if that would work does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this before I trot off to Fry's in search of said adpater? From harryhaaren at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 02:33:00 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:33:00 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: Hi, I presume your aware that the 4 pin Firewire (1394) connector doesn't supply power, and you'll need to provide power seperate to the unit. (DC adapter) Also, you sa "the system doesnt recorgnize" your FireBox, did you try start JACK? Or what did you do to try it out? Also: what does the following command produce (prints out if your firewire modules are loaded) : lsmod | grep 1394 Cheers, -Harry On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I have a Dell Studio 1537 which has a 4 pin 1394 connector > > I checked to see if my Ubuntu 10.10 upgrade would allow my Presonus Firebox > to work > > which it allegedly does: > http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/33 > > but my system didn't recognize my Firebox after plugging it into my Dell > using a 4-pin to 6-pin cable > > so of course I'm wondering if I need to buy an ExpressCard Firewire adapter > and if that would work > > does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this before I trot off > to Fry's in search of said adpater? > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jeremy From roy.vegard.ovesen at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 07:52:50 2010 From: roy.vegard.ovesen at gmail.com (Roy Vegard Ovesen) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:52:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: For the juju stack you'll want to grep for 'firewire'. You also need to make sure that your user has permissions to the device file. While the old stack used /dev/raw1394, the new one uses /dev/fw0, fw1, etc. Make a udev rule to allow your user, or preferably a group that you are a member of, access to /dev/fw*. -- Roy Vegard On 30 Dec 2010 03:33, "Harry Van Haaren" wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 09:00:18 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:00:18 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1C4A22.8050600@gmail.com> On 12/29/2010 10:31 PM, Andrew C wrote: > Last time I checked, LS is Open Source, but just not completely GPL. > Which isn't really much of an issue unless you want to sell embedded > hardware that runs LS of course. > > Also, I had this discussion about SF2 and SFZ on the linuxsampler > mailing list a while back. Long and short of it is that SF2 is an > older, monolithic file format with limited modulation capabilities > designed by EMU/Creative whereas SFZ is quite a recently (and open > format, like SF2) developed format that seperates the .wav > multisamples from the programming bits and is designed by > Roland/Cakewalk (but bears no relation to the Soundfont format). Ok, SFZ seems to be interesting. But I want to purchase some samples. Which format do you recommend? I didn't see SFZ yet afaik... How easy is it to make a SFZ file? \r From jeremy at autostatic.com Thu Dec 30 09:18:45 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:18:45 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Hydrogen questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1C4E75.4080509@autostatic.com> On 12/28/2010 08:31 PM, Brent Busby wrote: > My old MPC2000 (non-XL) is starting to act oddly, and it has got me > thinking about whether I should even continue depending on the Akai > hardware, which generates rock solid sequencer time, but is eventually > going to be unmaintainable, and leave me with a lot of sequences and > sample libraries in various odd proprietary formats. > > So while I'm working on getting my MPC working again, I'm also checking > into the possibility of replacing its usefulness with a mixture of > Hydrogen, Jack, Linuxsampler, and Ardour. There are a few questions though: > > 1) This is probably pretty basic, but...can you send each > drum/instrument in a Hydrogen kit out a different physical audio > output in Jack? My whole setup is very much based on physical > hardware -- a real mixer board, real rack effects, etc. I haven't > heard a Ladspa plugin yet that offered EQ that really satisfied me > much, and I'm used to being able to do EQ on my mixer from the 10 > outputs of my MPC, individually, per track, and also using rack > effects from the effects loops and a real hardware patchbay. I could > keep doing that if I can send individual Hydrogen tracks out to audio > outputs on my RME Multiface. I could also add more outputs as > needed. It'd be ideal if you could just route individual tracks to > hardware outputs via Jack. > A bit late and superfluous maybe but Hydrogen can be set up to have per instrument JACK outputs. If you then use it with a mixer you could apply real-time effects if you'd like to. Hydrogen can load LADSPA plugins too, but if you use it with Qtractor or Ardour for example you can use a wider range of plugin frameworks. > 3) Also, all the discussion of entering rhythms in the documentation > seemed to involve using the QWERTY keyboard, which obviously isn't > going to be velocity-sensitive. Is there a way to have an outboard > synthesizer keyboard (or even better, my Simmons drumset with Roland > PM16 pad-to-midi) play or sequence Hydrogen patterns via midi, with > full velocity sensitivity? QWERTY keyboard is an awful way to have > to sequence. > Yes, this is possible. Hydrogen has a MIDI input port and you can assign MIDI channels to the different instruments. Best, Jeremy From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 09:53:11 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:53:11 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <201012292203.37618.jostein@vait.se> References: <201012292203.37618.jostein@vait.se> Message-ID: <4D1C5687.1050500@gmail.com> On 12/29/2010 10:03 PM, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: > onsdag 29 december 2010 12.47.03 skrev Julien Claassen: >> Hello Rosea! >> I didn't have too close a look at thenm, but Dan Dean sells a collection >> of bass samples in gig-format. I think, they should have all you need. I >> seem to remember, that they weren't too expensive, especially considering, >> what they have in that library. > Having this samples myself, I can only confirm what Julien says. The Dan Dean > Giga Bass Collection is great and you find it with some demo melodies here: > > http://www.dandeanpro.com/sample_lib/product_detail.php?pid=11 > > Jostein Thanks. This gives also a nice list: http://www.dandeanpro.com/sample_lib/review_detail.php?r=9&p=11 From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Dec 30 13:38:01 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:38:01 -0500 Subject: [LAU] two new songs Message-ID: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> Greetings, I've posted two new songs on my site. Both are rough mixes prepared for my band, but I figured I'd post them anyway until I find the time to do a more decent job. Yes, the second song has some tuning discrepancies, and yes, I'm really that lazy. Notes from my page at http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html : Here in Ohio USA we have an interesting law that requires a convicted drunk driver to put specially-colored license plates on his or her vehicle (assuming s/he's still allowed to drive, of course). Law enforcement officers can easily spot such plates, and of course everyone else gets to cast humiliation on the idiot who decided to drink and drive. The following song is dedicated to my foolish neighbor who managed to fall afoul of the authorities, winning himself some brightly colored tags for his truck. Hilarity ensues. http://linux-sound.org/audio/Orange_Plates.mp3 Okay, so much for the poor unfortunate Floyd. The next song was inspired by none other Rusty Campbell, my good friend and fellow musician, who also happens to play drums in my band. Strange to say, this song has become a crowd-pleaser and is one of our most-requested tunes. Of course it isn't /really/ about Rusty (a.k.a. El Viejo). The poor fellow was just minding his own business, then he gets hit with this assessment. Inspiration can be so cruel. http://linux-sound.org/audio/drummerinabluesband.mp3 Lyrics are on the page mentioned above. Happy holidays to all ! Best, dp From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 30 13:57:32 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:57:32 +0100 Subject: [LAU] flac2ogg in python - the right way = cross platform Message-ID: <4D1C8FCC.3090104@email.dk> Hi I'm doing some conversion from flac to ogg in python and I wrap sox for the actual conversion. I'm happy with it myself (I only run linux), but the script has the potential for reaching non-linux users. It seems there's no build-in (as in batteries included) way of converting from flac to ogg in python across platforms. Is this the sad truth? If so, what could be done to make the script work on the other platforms? -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From jostein at vait.se Thu Dec 30 14:35:10 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:35:10 +0100 Subject: [LAU] flac2ogg in python - the right way = cross platform In-Reply-To: <4D1C8FCC.3090104@email.dk> References: <4D1C8FCC.3090104@email.dk> Message-ID: <201012301535.10280.jostein@vait.se> torsdag 30 december 2010 14.57.32 skrev Atte Andr? Jensen: > Hi > > I'm doing some conversion from flac to ogg in python and I wrap sox for > the actual conversion. I'm happy with it myself (I only run linux), but > the script has the potential for reaching non-linux users. It seems > there's no build-in (as in batteries included) way of converting from > flac to ogg in python across platforms. Is this the sad truth? If so, > what could be done to make the script work on the other platforms? The easiest way is probably to write the whole thing in Bash and let the Windows user use msys (links in the bottom). If you want Python, you probably have to have something that can make sure that your Python script are guarantied to run by itself and also the related helper programs and libraries in the Windows machine. You can also write a shell script for Windows (develop it in freedos or something if you can't use a Windows machine). I was active in the Subversion project until ca. 2006 and for the Windows installer I used Inno Setup (still going strong). Inno Setup have the ability to check if packages exists and download and install missing programs if needed, and it's easy to use. You can make Inno download Windows versioins of Python, sox and anything anyway and place it in the same folder as your Python Script and run it from there. Personally, I would use Perl for this because it's easy to include a perl.exe (at least easy 10 years ago) i a Windows distro and run scripts, but it might be easy on Python too. Some links: http://www.mingw.org/wiki/MSYS http://sourceforge.net/projects/sox/files/sox-win/14.3.1/sox-14.3.1- win32.exe/download Good luck. Jostein From zotz at 100jamz.com Thu Dec 30 14:48:48 2010 From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:48:48 -0500 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201012300948.48756.zotz@100jamz.com> On Wednesday 29 December 2010 16:31:03 Andrew C wrote: > Last time I checked, LS is Open Source, Are you saying it meets this: http://www.opensource.org/osd.html Do you think it also meets this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html all the best, drew From schivmeister at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 14:57:58 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:57:58 +0800 Subject: [LAU] flac2ogg in python - the right way = cross platform In-Reply-To: <4D1C8FCC.3090104@email.dk> References: <4D1C8FCC.3090104@email.dk> Message-ID: On 30 December 2010 21:57, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I'm doing some conversion from flac to ogg in python and I wrap sox for the > actual conversion. I'm happy with it myself (I only run linux), but the > script has the potential for reaching non-linux users. It seems there's no > build-in (as in batteries included) way of converting from flac to ogg in > python across platforms. Is this the sad truth? If so, what could be done to > make the script work on the other platforms? I just use py2exe :) Has worked ALL the time. There are sometimes problems if you use the single executable option. But if you do it standard (you can just zip it up with 7z+SFX) you'll be fine. Caveat: big executables (python and libs included) -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From schivmeister at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 14:59:54 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:59:54 +0800 Subject: [LAU] flac2ogg in python - the right way = cross platform In-Reply-To: References: <4D1C8FCC.3090104@email.dk> Message-ID: On 30 December 2010 22:57, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 30 December 2010 21:57, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> Hi >> >> I'm doing some conversion from flac to ogg in python and I wrap sox for the >> actual conversion. I'm happy with it myself (I only run linux), but the >> script has the potential for reaching non-linux users. It seems there's no >> build-in (as in batteries included) way of converting from flac to ogg in >> python across platforms. Is this the sad truth? If so, what could be done to >> make the script work on the other platforms? > > I just use py2exe :) Has worked ALL the time. There are sometimes > problems if you use the single executable option. But if you do it > standard (you can just zip it up with 7z+SFX) you'll be fine. > > Caveat: big executables (python and libs included) Of course, win32 sox also included. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 30 15:05:54 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:05:54 +0100 Subject: [LAU] flac2ogg in python - the right way = cross platform In-Reply-To: <201012301535.10280.jostein@vait.se> References: <4D1C8FCC.3090104@email.dk> <201012301535.10280.jostein@vait.se> Message-ID: <4D1C9FD2.8040105@email.dk> On 2010-12-30 15:35, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: > If you want Python, you probably have to have something that can make sure > that your Python script are guarantied to run by itself and also the related > helper programs and libraries in the Windows machine. I want python. Actually the flac->ogg is just a small part of it, it also parses some xml and unzips/zips and stuff... > You can also write a shell script for Windows (develop it in freedos or > something if you can't use a Windows machine). Hmmm... Maybe what I need is knowledge of a free (beer) commandline tool under windows and osx that can convert flac to ogg. Seems (now that I look) that sox is available. Probably needs some tweeking of the os.system call (that I can't really do by myself anyways, since I don't have those OSs), but besides that, I'm almost where I'd like to be... NB: I don't really have a problem with the user having to install python (and sox) by themselves. My script checks if sox is available and reports a clean error otherwise, so python is the only tricky-for-newbies part missing... Thanks for the help! -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From torbenh at gmx.de Thu Dec 30 15:30:33 2010 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:30:33 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] tschack-0.120.1 and PyJackd-0.1.0 In-Reply-To: <1293612993-sup-1799@eris> References: <20101228155714.GB2086@siel.b> <1293612993-sup-1799@eris> Message-ID: <20101230153033.GC2086@siel.b> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > Excerpts from torbenh's message of 2010-12-28 16:57:14 +0100: > > > > hi... > > > > since jack1 release is taking pretty long, i decided to stop waiting > > with a tschack release. > > > > tschack is an SMP aware fork of jack1. > > its a dropin replacement like jack2. > > > > features: > > - jack1 mlocking > > - controlapi which works even when libjackserver.so is loaded RTLD_LOCAL > > - smp aware > > - backendswitching > > - strictly synchronous like jack1. (-> no latency penalty) > > - clickless connections. > > - shuts down audio processing when cpu is overloaded for too long. > > > > i also released PyJackd which is a wrapper around libjackserver. > > > > features: > > - commandline for backendswitching > > - pulseaudio dbus reservation. > > > > > > get it here: > > http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/tschack-0.120.1.tar.gz > > http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/PyJackd-0.1.0.tar.gz > > Not sure what half of that means :) > One thing I think you forgot to mention but might be of interest is > jack-session support right. jack-session is supported. but thats what jack1 and jack2 also support nowadays. well.... which of the features is unclear ? > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- torben Hohn From julien at c-lab.de Thu Dec 30 15:56:37 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:56:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Hello Dave1 I like your new songs. they may not be fair, but fine, as a German once put it. :-) I suppose thse two at whom the songs are indirectly directed :-) will stand up to the challenge. :-) Thanks for sharing! Can you do us one real blues/rocky number, something with the fire of John the elevator sometme again? I still think that's one of my favourites from you. Warmly yours Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Dec 30 16:31:27 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:31:27 -0500 Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1CB3DF.10903@woh.rr.com> Julien Claassen wrote: > Hello Dave1 > I like your new songs. they may not be fair, but fine, as a German > once put it. :-) I suppose thse two at whom the songs are indirectly > directed :-) will stand up to the challenge. :-) Hi Julien, Well, my drummer knows me well enough to appreciate my humor. My neighbor however probably wouldn't like the song he inspired. :) > Thanks for sharing! Can you do us one real blues/rocky number, > something with the fire of John the elevator sometme again? I still > think that's one of my favourites from you. Ha, funny you should ask ! I have a new one ready to record, but it'll be another day or so before I can post it. I think you'll enjoy it, it's pretty much what you're asking for. Actually, I have a lot of new material to record, including some more a capella pieces. Unfortunately it seems that my vacation days keep me busier than my regular work days. No fear, I'll get everything together as soon as possible. I hope you're having a wonderful holiday season. You've certainly been wonderfully productive recently ! Thanks for all the great music, I look forward to hearing more from you in the coming year. Best always, dp From julien at c-lab.de Thu Dec 30 16:39:00 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:39:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: <4D1CB3DF.10903@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> <4D1CB3DF.10903@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Hello again Dave! That's absolutely super. Maybe you read my mind, or it's just the season to rock against the blues. :-) I hope I can match your stride in productivity. The last one was on the back burner for a while and the other one was pure Mellotron inspiration. Maybe I can call a few more from their deep slumber. :-) Best wishes Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 16:40:27 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:40:27 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <201012300948.48756.zotz@100jamz.com> References: <201012300948.48756.zotz@100jamz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:48 AM, drew Roberts wrote: > On Wednesday 29 December 2010 16:31:03 Andrew C wrote: >> Last time I checked, LS is Open Source, > > Are you saying it meets this: > > http://www.opensource.org/osd.html > > Do you think it also meets this: > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html > > all the best, > > drew IMO it meets neither in that redistribution is limited by the changes in the license which made it non-GPL. The 'source' is 'open' in the sense that we can get copies, look at the code & modify it and use it. Unfortunately we are restricted (granted, restricted in ways that likely don't matter much to individual musicians) in our _use_ of the code via redistribution into commercial platforms. - Mark From jostein at vait.se Thu Dec 30 16:53:30 2010 From: jostein at vait.se (Jostein Chr. Andersen) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:53:30 +0100 Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> <4D1CB3DF.10903@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <201012301753.30366.jostein@vait.se> torsdag 30 december 2010 17.39.00 skrev Julien Claassen: > Hello again Dave! > That's absolutely super. Maybe you read my mind, or it's just the season > to rock against the blues. :-) I hope I can match your stride in > productivity. The last one was on the back burner for a while and the > other one was pure Mellotron inspiration. Maybe I can call a few more from > their deep slumber. Thanks to both of you and all others that keeps up coming with music and inspires the LAU community - or at least me - with your music! I hope to come up with some stuff myself in 2011, that is if my tinnitus- weighted ears permits me to come up with something that sounds decent. Hmm, ..or maybe let somebody else do the mix. Jostein From unaudio at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 16:53:47 2010 From: unaudio at gmail.com (Vytautas Jancauskas) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:53:47 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track Message-ID: Here is a track I made on Neil Modular Track which I also develop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVA5p2iHVM You can get it here: https://sites.google.com/site/neilsequencer/ -- "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. "I don't care much where--" said Alice. "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 16:55:29 2010 From: alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com (Alexandre Prokoudine) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:55:29 +0300 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B962B.3010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU >>> Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer >>> term. >>> >> Makes me worrying to... But what could we do about it? >> > > Get the LS people to actively support not only Giga ?format but also > EXS24/Structure/Kontakt/HALion formats. kt2 files have already been deciphered by LS team to the best of my knowledge. EXS24 has no public information on them and needs a) a Mac and b) reverse-engineering. Can't say anything about Structure or HALion or muSynth. Once again, reverse-engineering is not a problem as long as there are people a) owning actual authoring software and willing to help and b) willing to write actual code to support file formats. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 17:04:56 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:04:56 -0800 Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings, > > I've posted two new songs on my site. > ? http://linux-sound.org/audio/Orange_Plates.mp3 ? http://linux-sound.org/audio/drummerinabluesband.mp3 > Impeccable fun Dave. Orange Plates might get some radio time on Dr. Demento I think. Fun song. Drummer in a Blues Band is fun. Being a guitar player I understand the irony in my suggesting the current guitar be a bit louder in a song about a drummer, but there ya go. Might consider a sweet/dirty slide guitar solo with a few drum riffs I think. Easy to see why audiences might like this one. Cheers, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 17:13:33 2010 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:13:33 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B962B.3010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > >>>> I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU >>>> Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer >>>> term. >>>> >>> Makes me worrying to... But what could we do about it? >>> >> >> Get the LS people to actively support not only Giga ?format but also >> EXS24/Structure/Kontakt/HALion formats. > > kt2 files have already been deciphered by LS team to the best of my knowledge. > > EXS24 has no public information on them and needs a) a Mac and b) > reverse-engineering. > Kontakt 4 handles EXS24 Mk I and Mk II as well as Halion. No Mac required for reverse engineering those. kt2 is Battery which is useful. Structure is RTAS (right) Not very interesting to me personally. - Mark From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 30 17:15:42 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:15:42 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1CBE3E.3090405@email.dk> On 2010-12-30 17:53, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > Here is a track I made on Neil Modular Track which I also develop. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVA5p2iHVM Ultra hip (both the music and neil)! > You can get it here: https://sites.google.com/site/neilsequencer/ And I did! However: 1) What do I need to enable "timestretching" (sounds useful): 2) neil starts by reporting "Neil was unable to initialize audio output. Please check your audio settings in the preferences dialog.". I then realize it's because it tries to connect to jack at 44100, when my jack is in fact running at 48000. Wouldn't it be cleaner to ask jack what sample rate to use? And: There's no alsa output or? Here's what my "scons configure" reports: atte at vestbjerg:~/software/neil/libneil$ scons configure scons: Reading SConscript files ... Checking for C header file zlib.h... yes Checking for C header file sndfile.h... yes Checking for C header file samplerate.h... yes Checking for C header file fftw3.h... yes Checking for C++ header file boost/graph/adjacency_list.hpp... yes Checking for C++ header file boost/graph/visitors.hpp... yes Checking for C++ header file boost/graph/depth_first_search.hpp... yes Checking for C header file CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h... no Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... yes Checking for C header file jack/jack.h... yes Checking for C header file sys/soundcard.h... yes Checking for C header file ladspa.h... yes Checking for C header file dssi.h... yes Checking for C header file lo/lo.h... yes Checking for 'sse' CPU flag... (cached) yes Checking for 'sse2' CPU flag... (cached) yes Finished configuration. === Using === CoreAudio: no JACK: yes ALSA: yes OSS: yes Use SSE CPU Extension: no Use SSE2 CPU Extension: yes Use Timestretching: no === Components === Lunar DSP Host: yes Lunar Target: gcc DSSI: yes LADSPA: yes pyzzub (zubb for Python): yes === Directories === Prefix: /usr/local Install into: /usr/local Library Directory: /usr/local/lib Generate Debug Info: False -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From julien at c-lab.de Thu Dec 30 17:29:30 2010 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:29:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Vytautas! Interesting little track. Reminiscent of soe reggae/dup. I like the morphing of the sounds. What did you use for the voice? Vocoder or did you edit the voice directly? Nice dark atmosphere, but the basic material is a bit to repetitive for my taste. Never mind, my taste is more centered toward progrock and baroque. :-) Thanks for sharing! Kind regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From harryhaaren at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 17:43:44 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:43:44 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1C338A.2070302@autostatic.com> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1C338A.2070302@autostatic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: > Ubuntu 10.10 uses the new JuJu stack by default so this command will > probably yield nothing. > Thanks, I do forget that sometimes... Grew up with the old stack yaknow! :-) Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or what > did you do to try it out? also yep - and nada > > Also: what does the following command produce (prints out if your > firewire modules are loaded) : > lsmod | grep 1394 here are some commands with output: -------------------------------------------------------------- lsmod | grep 'firewire\|1394' xt_limit 1394 7 firewire_ohci 21042 0 firewire_core 46643 1 firewire_ohci crc_itu_t 1383 1 firewire_core ====================== lspci | grep 1394 09:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 05) ================== sudo ffado-test ListDevices ----------------------------------------------- FFADO test and diagnostic utility Part of the FFADO project -- www.ffado.org Version: 2.999.0- (C) 2008, Daniel Wagner, Pieter Palmers This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. ----------------------------------------------- === 1394 PORT 0 === Node id GUID VendorId ModelId Vendor - Model 0 0x0000000000000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 Linux Firewire - no message buffer overruns ============================================== what is > > Cheers, -Harry > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Kim Cascone > wrote: > > I have a Dell Studio 1537 which has a 4 pin 1394 connector > > I checked to see if my Ubuntu 10.10 upgrade would allow my > Presonus Firebox to work > > which it allegedly does: > http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/33 > > but my system didn't recognize my Firebox after plugging it into > my Dell using a 4-pin to 6-pin cable > > so of course I'm wondering if I need to buy an ExpressCard > Firewire adapter and if that would work > > does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this before I > trot off to Fry's in search of said adpater? > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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FFADO from the TangoStudio repo, version 2.0.1 - svn1856. That combo runs fine, but not at extreme low-lat. (I've always had better experience with JACK 1 for < 10 ms lat) Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 19:18:03 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:18:03 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1CDAEB.1050602@gmail.com> On 12/30/2010 08:10 PM, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > > > I've had trouble with JACK1 and that. I'm currently running JACK2 > (version 1.9.6) > from "Frasten"'s PPA. > > FFADO from the TangoStudio repo, version 2.0.1 - svn1856. > > That combo runs fine, but not at extreme low-lat. (I've always had > better experience with JACK 1 for < 10 ms lat) Hmm sure you tested both on the exact same system? JACK is not the only factor when it comes to latency... \r From atte at email.dk Thu Dec 30 19:53:35 2010 From: atte at email.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:53:35 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1CE33F.9050503@email.dk> On 2010-12-30 17:53, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > You can get it here: https://sites.google.com/site/neilsequencer/ Questions: 1) Where's the manual, there are some things I can't figure out... 2) Is there a bugtracker? I made neil crash :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk From unaudio at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 20:02:54 2010 From: unaudio at gmail.com (Vytautas Jancauskas) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:02:54 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: <4D1CE33F.9050503@email.dk> References: <4D1CE33F.9050503@email.dk> Message-ID: 1) Doesn't Help->Help menu item work? The manual is incomplete at this stage. Just e-mail me directly with questions. 2) Yes. http://bitbucket.org/bucket_brigade/neil/issues?status=new&status=open On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > On 2010-12-30 17:53, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > > You can get it here: https://sites.google.com/site/neilsequencer/ >> > > Questions: > > 1) Where's the manual, there are some things I can't figure out... > > 2) Is there a bugtracker? I made neil crash :-) > > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. "I don't care much where--" said Alice. "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwenhwyfaer at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 20:10:38 2010 From: gwenhwyfaer at gmail.com (Gwenhwyfaer) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:10:38 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30/12/2010, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > Here is a track I made on Neil Modular Track which I also develop. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVA5p2iHVM Nice work :) One quick question - what spec was the machine used to play that track? From unaudio at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 20:12:48 2010 From: unaudio at gmail.com (Vytautas Jancauskas) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:12:48 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As in computer specs? It's an old 2ghz laptop with half a gig ram. But don't mind the CPU meter, I thik some of the CPU was taken up by the video recording program. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Gwenhwyfaer wrote: > On 30/12/2010, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > > Here is a track I made on Neil Modular Track which I also develop. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVA5p2iHVM > > Nice work :) One quick question - what spec was the machine used to > play that track? > -- "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. "I don't care much where--" said Alice. "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unaudio at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 20:17:26 2010 From: unaudio at gmail.com (Vytautas Jancauskas) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:17:26 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also to use this track to pimp neil is a bit unfair ;) Since I have not yet have the permission to GPL that awesome 303 plug-in that it uses. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > As in computer specs? It's an old 2ghz laptop with half a gig ram. But > don't mind the CPU meter, I thik some of the CPU was taken up by the video > recording program. > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Gwenhwyfaer wrote: > >> On 30/12/2010, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: >> > Here is a track I made on Neil Modular Track which I also develop. >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVA5p2iHVM >> >> Nice work :) One quick question - what spec was the machine used to >> play that track? >> > > > > -- > "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, > which way I ought to go from here?" > "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. > "I don't care much where--" said Alice. > "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. > > -- "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. "I don't care much where--" said Alice. 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I'm currently running JACK2 > (version 1.9.6) > from "Frasten"'s PPA. > > FFADO from the TangoStudio repo, version 2.0.1 - svn1856. > > That combo runs fine, but not at extreme low-lat. (I've always had > better experience with JACK 1 for < 10 ms lat) I'm going to buy an Expresscard -> Firewire adapter and see if that works -- something about the 1394 connector on the Dell laptop makes me suspicious for some reason > > Cheers, -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From kim at anechoicmedia.com Thu Dec 30 23:21:44 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:21:44 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> On 12/30/2010 12:57 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> and I don't want to upgrade to Jack2 since Synaptic wants to wipe all my >> audio apps with the install >> not sure why this is unless none of the apps support Jack2 in which case >> I'll pass on installing it > apps do not support jack1 or jack2. they support jack. packaging that > makes a jack client depend on specifically jack2 or jack1 is > erroneous. > I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? anyone hazard a guess? From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Dec 30 23:30:07 2010 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:30:07 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4082105005052338885b1ab8c48a3713.squirrel@boosthardware.com> On Thu, December 30, 2010 12:17 pm, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > Also to use this track to pimp neil is a bit unfair ;) Since I have not > yet > have the permission to GPL that awesome 303 plug-in that it uses. > Can you release the track public domain? I would like to include it in the best of 2010 mix. Patrick. > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Vytautas Jancauskas > wrote: > >> As in computer specs? It's an old 2ghz laptop with half a gig ram. But >> don't mind the CPU meter, I thik some of the CPU was taken up by the >> video >> recording program. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Gwenhwyfaer >> wrote: >> >>> On 30/12/2010, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: >>> > Here is a track I made on Neil Modular Track which I also develop. >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVA5p2iHVM >>> >>> Nice work :) One quick question - what spec was the machine used to >>> play that track? >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, >> which way I ought to go from here?" >> "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. >> "I don't care much where--" said Alice. >> "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. >> >> > > > -- > "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, > which way I ought to go from here?" > "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. > "I don't care much where--" said Alice. > "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Dec 30 23:49:40 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:49:40 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? > anyone hazard a guess? bad packaging, probably. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Dec 30 23:58:18 2010 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (gnome at hawaii.rr.com) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:58:18 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <20101230235818.HSSW3.100371.root@hrndva-web27-z01> Hmm - a Jack2 compiled with a different system library? I switched from Jack1 to Jack2 quite awhile ago, and it didn't uninstall any audio apps. -- david gnome at hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community ---- Kim Cascone wrote: > On 12/30/2010 12:57 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > > >> and I don't want to upgrade to Jack2 since Synaptic wants to wipe all my > >> audio apps with the install > >> not sure why this is unless none of the apps support Jack2 in which case > >> I'll pass on installing it > > apps do not support jack1 or jack2. they support jack. packaging that > > makes a jack client depend on specifically jack2 or jack1 is > > erroneous. > > > I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? > anyone hazard a guess? > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 31 00:04:33 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:04:33 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1D1E11.1000508@woh.rr.com> Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > >> I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? >> anyone hazard a guess? >> > > bad packaging, probably. Given that it's Ubuntu: Probably++. And I *like* Ubuntu. But it's getting on my nerves, so I plan to replace it on the secondary desktop machine here. I'll keep it on my laptop - it's a champ there - but AVLinux is going on the bigger box as soon as I back up my data. Best, dp From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Dec 31 00:24:00 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:24:00 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1D22A0.9050702@anechoicmedia.com> On 12/30/2010 11:10 AM, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > > > > > I presume you've installed the "standard" FFADO from the Ubuntu repo? it is whatever Ubuntu 10.10 comes with -- > > I've had trouble with JACK1 and that. I'm currently running JACK2 > (version 1.9.6) > from "Frasten"'s PPA. OK I seem to have Jack2 rather than Jack1 (which I thought I had installed) jackd2-firewire - 1.9.5~dfsg-19ubuntu1 and jackd2 - 1.9.5~dfsg-19ubuntu1 libffado2 - 2.0.1+svn1856-1ubuntu1 and with some fiddling I'm now able to see the Firebox while connected via the 1394 port on the Dell sudo ffado-test ListDevices ----------------------------------------------- FFADO test and diagnostic utility Part of the FFADO project -- www.ffado.org Version: 2.999.0- (C) 2008, Daniel Wagner, Pieter Palmers This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. ----------------------------------------------- === 1394 PORT 0 === Node id GUID VendorId ModelId Vendor - Model 0 0x0000000000000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 Linux Firewire - 1 0x000a9200d0000293 0x00000A92 0x00010000 PreSonus - PreSonus FIREBOX no message buffer overruns ========================= I set the driver to 'firewire' in Jack control not sure which hw number but tried them all but I'm not able to get Jack to recognize it what am I doing wrong? here is the output of Jack when trying to connect: 16:19:45.131 Startup script... 16:19:45.131 artsshell -q terminate Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started sh: artsshell: not found 16:19:45.548 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512. 16:19:45.548 JACK is starting... 16:19:45.549 /usr/bin/jackd -r -dfirewire -r44100 -p1024 -n5 16:19:45.558 JACK was started with PID=10035. Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted jackdmp 1.9.6 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. Copyright 2004-2010 Grame. jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK server starting in non-realtime mode Cannot lock down memory area (Cannot allocate memory) Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 195902657946: (ffado.cpp)[ 92] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 2.999.0- built Aug 11 2010 00:12:04 16:19:48.191 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Server communication error. Please check the messages window for more info. libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to set the oPCR[0] plug for node 1. firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads Cannot start driver JackServer::Start() failed with -1 Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket Cannot connect to the server Failed to start server 16:19:48.508 JACK was stopped with exit status=255. 16:19:48.509 Post-shutdown script... 16:19:48.509 killall jackd jackd: no process found 16:19:48.924 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256. 16:19:52.605 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info. 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URL: From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Dec 31 00:27:54 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:27:54 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1D238A.6050607@anechoicmedia.com> On 12/30/2010 03:49 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? >> anyone hazard a guess? > bad packaging, probably. > OK -- I checked again and have jackdmp 1.9.6 does this mean I have Jack2 installed? confused From harryhaaren at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 01:09:54 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:09:54 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1D22A0.9050702@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D22A0.9050702@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: > 16:19:45.549 /usr/bin/jackd -r -dfirewire -r44100 -p1024 -n5 > > 16:19:45.558 JACK was started with PID=10035. > > Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted > > Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted > > jackdmp 1.9.6 > > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > > Copyright 2004-2010 Grame. > > jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK server starting in non-realtime mode > > Cannot lock down memory area (Cannot allocate memory) > > Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted > > ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 195902657946: (ffado.cpp)[ 92] > ffado_streaming_init: libffado 2.999.0- built Aug 11 2010 00:12:04 > > 16:19:48.191 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall > operation failed. - Server communication error. Please check the messages > window for more info. > > libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to set the > oPCR[0] plug for node 1. > > firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads > > Cannot start driver > > JackServer::Start() failed with -1 > The messages there suggest that your not allowed access the device. As Roy mentioned previously, check /dev/fw0 and ensure your use has access: try (as a normal user): $ ls -l /dev/fw0 And check the permissions. Adding an "Audio" group is a good idea if you don't have one already. Alsp check your memlock settings, as this line looks quite suspicous to me: Cannot lock down memory area (Cannot allocate memory) All the best, -Harry PS: 1.9.x is known as JACK 2. Yup you've got JACK 2 :-D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsd at wootangent.net Fri Dec 31 01:29:27 2010 From: lsd at wootangent.net (Leigh Dyer) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:29:27 +1100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1293758967.4424.14.camel@ruiner> On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 21:31 +0000, Andrew C wrote: > Also, I had this discussion about SF2 and SFZ on the linuxsampler > mailing list a while back. Long and short of it is that SF2 is an > older, monolithic file format with limited modulation capabilities > designed by EMU/Creative whereas SFZ is quite a recently (and open > format, like SF2) developed format that seperates the .wav > multisamples from the programming bits and is designed by > Roland/Cakewalk (but bears no relation to the Soundfont format). SFZ is really going to be the future of LinuxSampler, I think, simply because of its non-monolithic design. Commercial samplers like EXS24 and Kontakt use much the same design, with a bunch of WAV files and a small mapping file, so all that's needed to make a Kontakt library playable in LinuxSampler is for someone to make a matching SFZ mapping. I can't see any reason why such a mapping wouldn't be freely distributable, so as a community we could build up a collection of downloadable SFZ mappings for popular commercial libraries. You can already find SFZ mappings for some libraries, eg: http://www.drealm.info/sfz/ Of course, building such mappings isn't an easy job, but if it can be done once and distributed widely, it greatly eases the burden. Thanks Leigh > Andrew. > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: > >>> > >>> I don't know. Possibly not. GigaStudio is dead. A focus by the LAU > >>> Sampler community to remain *.gig focused may cause problems longer > >>> term. > >>> > >>> I own GigaStudio 3 & 4 but also other samplers as well, as dedicated > >>> sample players. Over time I'm slowly migrating to other sample file > >>> formats for that reason. > >> > >> Hi Mark, > >> > >> I'm curious, what formats currently dominate the Windows sampler worlds ? > >> Are any of them open-source formats ? > >> > > > > It's a guess on my part Dave but I think the two I suggested I'd buy: > > EXS24 and Kontakt. I have no idea if either is Open Source. Different > > vendors do support them so there must be some spec for it. Bardstown > > supports lots of formats. How can a 1 guy company do that without open > > specs? > > > >> Also, in your opinion is SFZ/SF2 a decent replacement for GIG ? > >> > > > > No idea what those are? Some sort of Sound Font derivative? > > > >> > >>> All my samplers are Windows-based so I don't face these issues. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Until they die too. :) > >> > > > > Yeah, and I'd happily go with an Open Source sampler if there was an > > Open Source sampler. LS isn't and I don't know of an alternative. I > > use what I use because it works and it's long since paid for and not > > necessarily because I want to. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 31 05:40:20 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:40:20 -0800 Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20101231054020.GA20789@aieee.restivo.org> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:38:01AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings, > > I've posted two new songs on my site. Both are rough mixes prepared for > my band, but I figured I'd post them anyway until I find the time to do > a more decent job. Yes, the second song has some tuning discrepancies, > and yes, I'm really that lazy. > > Notes from my page at http://linux-sound.org/ardour-music.html : > > Here in Ohio USA we have an interesting law that requires a convicted > drunk driver to put specially-colored license plates on his or her > vehicle (assuming s/he's still allowed to drive, of course). Law > enforcement officers can easily spot such plates, and of course everyone > else gets to cast humiliation on the idiot who decided to drink and > drive. The following song is dedicated to my foolish neighbor who > managed to fall afoul of the authorities, winning himself some brightly > colored tags for his truck. Hilarity ensues. > > http://linux-sound.org/audio/Orange_Plates.mp3 > > Okay, so much for the poor unfortunate Floyd. The next song was inspired > by none other Rusty Campbell, my good friend and fellow musician, who > also happens to play drums in my band. Strange to say, this song has > become a crowd-pleaser and is one of our most-requested tunes. Of course > it isn't /really/ about Rusty (a.k.a. El Viejo). The poor fellow was > just minding his own business, then he gets hit with this assessment. > Inspiration can be so cruel. > > http://linux-sound.org/audio/drummerinabluesband.mp3 > > Lyrics are on the page mentioned above. > > Happy holidays to all ! > Funny stuff. I like how you can effortlessly segue between avante-garde ambient psychedelic mind-candy, and funny blues-rock songs. -ken From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 31 05:44:38 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:44:38 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <20101231054438.GB20789@aieee.restivo.org> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 03:21:44PM -0800, Kim Cascone wrote: > On 12/30/2010 12:57 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> >>> and I don't want to upgrade to Jack2 since Synaptic wants to wipe all my >>> audio apps with the install >>> not sure why this is unless none of the apps support Jack2 in which case >>> I'll pass on installing it >> apps do not support jack1 or jack2. they support jack. packaging that >> makes a jack client depend on specifically jack2 or jack1 is >> erroneous. >> > I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? > anyone hazard a guess? > Because your audio apps depend on JACK being present. No JACK, no audio apps, away they go. It's been a while since I dealt with packaging, but IIRC the correct way to do this is to have the JACK package and the JACK2 (jackdmp 1.92) package be "alternatives" to each other. This is, for example, how you can switch your MTA from Sendmail (eek!) to Postfix to ssmtp to whatever, without everything that depends on it being nuked. You might want to file a bug with Ubuntu. They dropped the ball on this one. -ken From schivmeister at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 05:50:50 2010 From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:50:50 +0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <20101231054438.GB20789@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> <20101231054438.GB20789@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On 31 December 2010 13:44, Ken Restivo wrote: > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 03:21:44PM -0800, Kim Cascone wrote: >> On 12/30/2010 12:57 PM, Paul Davis wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kim Cascone ?wrote: >>> >>>> and I don't want to upgrade to Jack2 since Synaptic wants to wipe all my >>>> audio apps with the install >>>> not sure why this is unless none of the apps support Jack2 in which case >>>> I'll pass on installing it >>> apps do not support jack1 or jack2. they support jack. packaging that >>> makes a jack client depend on specifically jack2 or jack1 is >>> erroneous. >>> >> I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? >> anyone hazard a guess? >> > > Because your audio apps depend on JACK being present. No JACK, no audio apps, away they go. > > It's been a while since I dealt with packaging, but IIRC the correct way to do this is to have the JACK package and the JACK2 (jackdmp 1.92) package be "alternatives" to each other. > > This is, for example, how you can switch your MTA from Sendmail (eek!) to Postfix to ssmtp to whatever, without everything that depends on it being nuked. > > You might want to file a bug with Ubuntu. They dropped the ball on this one. The proper way is for both to provide a 'jack', which would be a virtual package. Your apps should stay content as long as the 'jackd' binary exists, i.e they should never explicitly depend on a 'jack1' or a 'jack2'. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 31 05:53:51 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:53:51 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101231055351.GC20789@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 07:03:31AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:40 AM, rosea grammostola > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm searching for bass giga samples, electric but especially Jazz double > > bass. Tips? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > \r > > I own one of Scarbee's libraries. (Now Native Instruments.) It's > pretty good. Not cheap but not grossly expensive. > > http://www.scarbee.com/ > I saw Soulive a few weeks ago (doing research, since I am now a left-hand-keyboard-bass-player). He was playing a Mac laptop running something called Trillian (not the IM client). It sounded like a bass. But he rolled off all the highs and high-mids, probably a habit formed early in his career when the bass samples available weren't that great, and which is kind of his signature sound. I just did an entire live show last night, in fact, as a bass player, running a Pedulla gigastudio sample I found for free on the intertubes. I had to edit a bit (I didn't like where the velocity cutoff points were), but it worked out well. It locks up periodically on my EEE when I run Beatrix too, but I got to play a real B3 so I killed beatrix, and I had no issues running LinuxSampler along with MonoSynth, CAPS plugins, Fons's autowah, CALF tape echo, etc. Now I am learning how to EQ a bass for a live room. I was told (halfway through the set, unfortunately) that I needed to scoop out 250-500Hz on my amp to avoid creating an awful muddy mess. It worked. Onward and upward. -ken From jamesmstone at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 08:47:14 2010 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:47:14 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1D9892.6080604@gmail.com> On 30/12/10 20:17, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > Also to use this track to pimp neil is a bit unfair ;) Since I have not > yet have the permission to GPL that awesome 303 plug-in that it uses. > .. I should probably mention here, as a sometime/occasional/never "developer" of neil that we have been allowed to have the source code for the 303 plugin in question, and that the author has given implied consent to it being GPL'd once the code has been "cleaned up". So if anyone here wants to take on that task, it would be great - the sound is really excellent, and the code could then be reused for LV2, DSSI, VST, whatever.. Also, on a development note, the audio interface is terrible (uses the RTAudio API). If anyone is able to look at the code to fix it, it would be really helpful (I have no clue, and I think Vytautas is more interested in developing other functionality in Neil at present). James From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 10:00:36 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:00:36 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1D1E11.1000508@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1E11.1000508@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1DA9C4.2020706@gmail.com> On 12/31/2010 01:04 AM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Kim Cascone >> wrote: >> >>> I see -- but why would installing Jack2 uninstall all my audio apps? >>> anyone hazard a guess? >> >> bad packaging, probably. > > Given that it's Ubuntu: Probably++. > > And I *like* Ubuntu. But it's getting on my nerves, so I plan to > replace it on the secondary desktop machine here. I'll keep it on my > laptop - it's a champ there - but AVLinux is going on the bigger box > as soon as I back up my data. At the end you can always blame Ubuntu :) All the Ubuntu audio packages are coming from Debian... AVLinux is based on Debian... \r From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 10:03:04 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:03:04 +0100 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <1293758967.4424.14.camel@ruiner> References: <4D1B8484.6030402@gmail.com> <4D1B9C86.1090109@woh.rr.com> <1293758967.4424.14.camel@ruiner> Message-ID: <4D1DAA58.5050308@gmail.com> On 12/31/2010 02:29 AM, Leigh Dyer wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 21:31 +0000, Andrew C wrote: >> Also, I had this discussion about SF2 and SFZ on the linuxsampler >> mailing list a while back. Long and short of it is that SF2 is an >> older, monolithic file format with limited modulation capabilities >> designed by EMU/Creative whereas SFZ is quite a recently (and open >> format, like SF2) developed format that seperates the .wav >> multisamples from the programming bits and is designed by >> Roland/Cakewalk (but bears no relation to the Soundfont format). > SFZ is really going to be the future of LinuxSampler, I think, simply > because of its non-monolithic design. Commercial samplers like EXS24 and > Kontakt use much the same design, with a bunch of WAV files and a small > mapping file, so all that's needed to make a Kontakt library playable in > LinuxSampler is for someone to make a matching SFZ mapping. I can't see > any reason why such a mapping wouldn't be freely distributable, so as a > community we could build up a collection of downloadable SFZ mappings > for popular commercial libraries. > > You can already find SFZ mappings for some libraries, eg: > > http://www.drealm.info/sfz/ > > Of course, building such mappings isn't an easy job, but if it can be > done once and distributed widely, it greatly eases the burden. Especially when it follows the GM mappings... \r From carlo.ratm at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 10:41:41 2010 From: carlo.ratm at gmail.com (Carlo Ascani) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:41:41 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problems with Esi Quatafire 610 Message-ID: Hi all, i have problems making Esi Quatafire 610 working: * Ubuntu 10.04 * ffado installed from svn * kernel 2.6.32-27-generic * jackd 0.120.1 I have an express card with 2 firewire ports, i'm using the new stack. The express card has a TI chipset. This is the output of ffado-test Discover : http://gnufunk.org/~carloratm/download/ffadodiscover This is the output of ffado-diag : http://gnufunk.org/~carloratm/download/ffadodiag This is the output of jackd -d firewire -v4 : http://gnufunk.org/~carloratm/download/ffadolog -- Carlo Ascani http://gnufunk.org/~carloratm From unaudio at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 10:52:13 2010 From: unaudio at gmail.com (Vytautas Jancauskas) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:52:13 +0200 Subject: [LAU] Showcasing a new track on Neil Modular Track In-Reply-To: <4082105005052338885b1ab8c48a3713.squirrel@boosthardware.com> References: <4082105005052338885b1ab8c48a3713.squirrel@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: Sure, what format do you need it in? On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > On Thu, December 30, 2010 12:17 pm, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > > Also to use this track to pimp neil is a bit unfair ;) Since I have not > > yet > > have the permission to GPL that awesome 303 plug-in that it uses. > > > > Can you release the track public domain? > > I would like to include it in the best of 2010 mix. > > > Patrick. > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Vytautas Jancauskas > > wrote: > > > >> As in computer specs? It's an old 2ghz laptop with half a gig ram. But > >> don't mind the CPU meter, I thik some of the CPU was taken up by the > >> video > >> recording program. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Gwenhwyfaer > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 30/12/2010, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: > >>> > Here is a track I made on Neil Modular Track which I also develop. > >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsVA5p2iHVM > >>> > >>> Nice work :) One quick question - what spec was the machine used to > >>> play that track? > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, > >> which way I ought to go from here?" > >> "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. > >> "I don't care much where--" said Alice. > >> "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, > > which way I ought to go from here?" > > "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. > > "I don't care much where--" said Alice. > > "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd. > > > > -- "Cheshire-Puss," she began, "would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat. "I don't care much where--" said Alice. "Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roy.vegard.ovesen at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 10:59:15 2010 From: roy.vegard.ovesen at gmail.com (Roy Vegard Ovesen) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:59:15 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D22A0.9050702@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <1293793155.5218.9.camel@royvegard-laptop> On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 01:09 +0000, Harry Van Haaren wrote: > > The messages there suggest that your not allowed access the device. As > Roy mentioned previously, > check /dev/fw0 and ensure your use has access: > > try (as a normal user): > $ ls -l /dev/fw0 > > And check the permissions. Adding an "Audio" group is a good idea if > you don't have one already. > For a quick check that it's working run jarckd as root: $ sudo jackd -d firewire Setting permissions on the /dev/fw* files will only work temporarily. When you unplug and replug your device the file(s) will be re-created with the default (root) permissions. You need to create a udev rule. Here is the file that I created: $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/60-firewire.rules KERNEL=="fw*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0664" This will cause the fw* files to be created with audio as group, and the right permissions. Obviously you also need your user to be a member of audio. -- Roy Vegard From roy.vegard.ovesen at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 11:22:29 2010 From: roy.vegard.ovesen at gmail.com (Roy Vegard Ovesen) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:22:29 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problems with Esi Quatafire 610 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1293794549.5218.25.camel@royvegard-laptop> On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 11:41 +0100, Carlo Ascani wrote: > Hi all, > i have problems making Esi Quatafire 610 working: > * Ubuntu 10.04 > * ffado installed from svn > * kernel 2.6.32-27-generic Try with the real-time kernel and also follow these instructions: http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/IrqPriorities to set the proper priorities. Before reading this I naively ran jackd with real-time priority 89, and experienced similar problems. -- Roy Vegard From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 31 11:44:56 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:44:56 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Problems with Esi Quatafire 610 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1DC238.4060501@autostatic.com> On 12/31/2010 11:41 AM, Carlo Ascani wrote: > I have an express card with 2 firewire ports, i'm using the new stack. Hello Carlo, You're using the old stack: old 1394 stack present.... True old 1394 stack loaded..... True old 1394 stack active..... True new 1394 stack present.... True new 1394 stack loaded..... False new 1394 stack active..... False /dev/raw1394 node present. True /dev/raw1394 permissions.. True And the reason why no one replied on the FFADO mailinglist is because it should work. The only weird thing I see is that there is a samplerate mismatch apparently. But FFADO should set it according the JACK settings. Or do you have to adjust the samplerate on the ESI manually? And did you try different FireWire cables? You don't need a real-time kernel I think since your FireWire controller sits on its own IRQ. You could try though, I can recommend the one from Tango Studio: http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/en/apt-repository Best, Jeremy From jeremy at autostatic.com Fri Dec 31 12:27:50 2010 From: jeremy at autostatic.com (Jeremy Jongepier) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:27:50 +0100 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1D238A.6050607@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1BE559.7070407@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CD432.2090100@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1CDE9F.5000604@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D1408.8050403@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1D238A.6050607@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1DCC46.1030905@autostatic.com> On 12/31/2010 01:27 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > OK -- I checked again and have > jackdmp 1.9.6 > does this mean I have Jack2 installed? > confused Yes. jackdmp 1.9.6 = Jack2 The 'mp' part of the designation means multi-processor iirc. Best, Jeremy From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 31 12:33:44 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:33:44 -0500 Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: <20101231054020.GA20789@aieee.restivo.org> References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> <20101231054020.GA20789@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <4D1DCDA8.4000607@woh.rr.com> Ken Restivo wrote: > Funny stuff. Mission accomplished. :) > I like how you can effortlessly segue between avante-garde ambient psychedelic mind-candy, and funny blues-rock songs. > I have many influences at work in my wacky mind. I've given up trying to tame them, so when it's time to make something in Csound then that's what I do. Another time, the urge says "Go ye forth, Muse, and make 'em laugh", and again I do my best to satisfy the urge. I guess I'm musically multipolar. I'm learning to live with it. Thanks for listening, Ken. As I wrote to Julien, I look forward to hearing more music from you too in the coming year, so if you're gigging tonight be safe on your way to & fro. Me, I'm gonna visit a buddy down the block and get a bit blasted, then I'm staying in with the missus. At my age this is known as "riotous living". Best, dp From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Dec 31 13:43:48 2010 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:43:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] two new songs In-Reply-To: <4D1DCDA8.4000607@woh.rr.com> References: <4D1C8B39.10406@woh.rr.com> <20101231054020.GA20789@aieee.restivo.org> <4D1DCDA8.4000607@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1DDE14.1030100@folkwang-hochschule.de> On 12/31/2010 01:33 PM, Dave Phillips wrote: > Me, I'm gonna visit a buddy down > the block and get a bit blasted, then I'm staying in with the missus. At > my age this is known as "riotous living". well, then, a toast to riotous living! all the best to you fellow LAUers for the new arbitrarily defined cycle that is ahead of us! cheers, j?rn From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Dec 31 14:21:30 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:21:30 -0500 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <20101231055351.GC20789@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101231055351.GC20789@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > I saw Soulive a few weeks ago (doing research, since I am now a left-hand-keyboard-bass-player). He was playing a Mac laptop running something called Trillian (not the IM client). It sounded like a bass. But he rolled off all the highs and high-mids, probably a habit formed early in his career when the bass samples available weren't that great, and which is kind of his signature sound. soulive? the trio? holy god, the bass parts that their keyboard/organ player pulls off are unreal. "Dig" from their eponymous album is astounding in this respect (to me, at least). From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Dec 31 18:10:35 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:10:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector Message-ID: <4D1E1C9B.3040006@anechoicmedia.com> >I'll keep it on my laptop - >it's a champ there - but AVLinux is going on the bigger box as soon as I >back up my data. Interesting -- I also like AVLinux what are your thoughts on Pure:Dyne for a music only box? From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 31 18:37:05 2010 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:37:05 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1E1C9B.3040006@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1E1C9B.3040006@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1E22D1.5030805@woh.rr.com> Kim Cascone wrote: > >I'll keep it on my laptop - > >it's a champ there - but AVLinux is going on the bigger box as soon as I > >back up my data. > > Interesting -- I also like AVLinux > > what are your thoughts on Pure:Dyne for a music only box? > I haven't checked it out for quite a while, but the last time I used it I thought it was great. I should look into it again soon. Best, dp From harryhaaren at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 18:50:13 2010 From: harryhaaren at gmail.com (Harry Van Haaren) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:50:13 +0000 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1E1C9B.3040006@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1E1C9B.3040006@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > what are your thoughts on Pure:Dyne for a music only box? Ran it for quite a while, its good! Some PPA additions to your sources might "spice-it-up" a bit.. Some newish programs like Calf - 0.19, Non-Seq / Mix / Daw aren't the newest.. On the upside, it comes with the Arduino enviroment, some compilers, -dev packages for common audio libs, and in general is VERY stable even at low latencies ( < 10ms ). -Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Dec 31 19:03:04 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:03:04 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector Message-ID: <4D1E28E8.4070702@anechoicmedia.com> > For a quick check that it's working run jarckd as root: > > $ sudo jackd -d firewire OK > Setting permissions on the /dev/fw* files will only work temporarily. > When you unplug and replug your device the file(s) will be re-created > with the default (root) permissions. You need to create a udev rule. OK > Here is the file that I created: > > $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/60-firewire.rules > KERNEL=="fw*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0664" - is the prefix number in the filename '60-firewire.rules' related to some aspect of the firewire setup? - or is "60" an arbitrary number? - can I make the GROUP="kim" -- I'm not using "audio" group > This will cause the fw* files to be created with audio as group, and the > right permissions. Obviously you also need your user to be a member of > audio. > at some point I plan on setting up a separate account for audio only (disabling PulseAudio) and making an audio group but given the time soak I've experienced with just upgrading to Ubuntu 10.10 I can't spend more time in tweak mode due to looming project deadlines From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Dec 31 19:30:36 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:30:36 -0500 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1E28E8.4070702@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4D1E28E8.4070702@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/60-firewire.rules >> KERNEL=="fw*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0664" > > - is the prefix number in the filename '60-firewire.rules' related to some > aspect of the firewire setup? > ? ?- or is "60" an arbitrary number? yes. > - can I make the GROUP="kim" -- I'm not using "audio" group if there is a group called "kim" and you belong to it, then yes. From ico at vt.edu Fri Dec 31 19:31:42 2010 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:31:42 -0500 Subject: [LAU] ANN: spectdelay~ external for Pd (was: PD L2Ork 20101229 snapshot now available) In-Reply-To: <1293656239.16107.5.camel@monsoon> References: <1293656239.16107.5.camel@monsoon> Message-ID: <1293823902.3311.2.camel@monsoon> The last update of the year (20101230) fixes a few more bugs and introduces a port of John Gibson's jg.spectdelay~, a frequency-based delay/feedback/eq object. > Latest snapshot is available from the usual place: > http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 > > Complete changelog since 11/25/2010 is available here: > http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/data/pd/Changelog Cheers! Ico From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Dec 31 19:49:55 2010 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:49:55 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: References: <4D1E28E8.4070702@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4D1E33E3.3000901@localhost> On 12/31/2010 11:30 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >>> $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/60-firewire.rules >>> KERNEL=="fw*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0664" >> >> - is the prefix number in the filename '60-firewire.rules' related to some >> aspect of the firewire setup? >> - or is "60" an arbitrary number? > > yes. ...and no... the numbering determines the execution order of the rules and that can affect the ultimate outcome of udev (a rule with a higher 'number' might override what a previous rule does). -- Fernando >> - can I make the GROUP="kim" -- I'm not using "audio" group > > if there is a group called "kim" and you belong to it, then yes. From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 31 20:16:29 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:16:29 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <20101231055351.GC20789@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101231201629.GA29659@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 09:21:30AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Ken Restivo wrote: > > > I saw Soulive a few weeks ago (doing research, since I am now a left-hand-keyboard-bass-player). He was playing a Mac laptop running something called Trillian (not the IM client). It sounded like a bass. But he rolled off all the highs and high-mids, probably a habit formed early in his career when the bass samples available weren't that great, and which is kind of his signature sound. > > soulive? the trio? holy god, the bass parts that their keyboard/organ > player pulls off are unreal. "Dig" from their eponymous album is > astounding in this respect (to me, at least). Yes, that Soulive. Awesome show. They opened with "Steppin", and then went from there. They did a Beatles medley, which was fun too. Then Karl Denson came out and did a second set with them, and then Nigel Hall came out and sang the last part of the set too. A good time was had by all. I spent a lot of time over by stage left, studying what the keyboard/bass player was doing. Which was, mostly, keeping the keyboard parts simple, and going bananas on bass instead. This is what he was using for a bass sound: http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian.php -ken From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Dec 31 20:19:35 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:19:35 -0800 Subject: [LAU] Dell 1394 4 pin connector In-Reply-To: <4D1E33E3.3000901@localhost> References: <4D1E28E8.4070702@anechoicmedia.com> <4D1E33E3.3000901@localhost> Message-ID: <4D1E3AD7.9000701@anechoicmedia.com> thanks to all for the supportive info and hand-holding :) happy new years! On 12/31/2010 11:49 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On 12/31/2010 11:30 AM, Paul Davis wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Kim Cascone >> wrote: >> >>>> $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/60-firewire.rules >>>> KERNEL=="fw*", GROUP="audio", MODE="0664" >>> >>> - is the prefix number in the filename '60-firewire.rules' related >>> to some >>> aspect of the firewire setup? >>> - or is "60" an arbitrary number? >> >> yes. > > ...and no... the numbering determines the execution order of the rules > and that can affect the ultimate outcome of udev (a rule with a higher > 'number' might override what a previous rule does). > > -- Fernando > > >>> - can I make the GROUP="kim" -- I'm not using "audio" group >> >> if there is a group called "kim" and you belong to it, then yes. > From hollunder at lavabit.com Fri Dec 31 21:03:24 2010 From: hollunder at lavabit.com (=?utf-8?q?Philipp_=C3=9Cberbacher?=) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:03:24 +0100 Subject: [LAU] [ANN] tschack-0.120.1 and PyJackd-0.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20101230153033.GC2086@siel.b> References: <20101228155714.GB2086@siel.b> <1293612993-sup-1799@eris> <20101230153033.GC2086@siel.b> Message-ID: <1293829216-sup-5376@eris> Excerpts from torbenh's message of 2010-12-30 16:30:33 +0100: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Philipp ?berbacher wrote: > > Excerpts from torbenh's message of 2010-12-28 16:57:14 +0100: > > > > > > hi... > > > > > > since jack1 release is taking pretty long, i decided to stop waiting > > > with a tschack release. > > > > > > tschack is an SMP aware fork of jack1. > > > its a dropin replacement like jack2. > > > > > > features: > > > - jack1 mlocking > > > - controlapi which works even when libjackserver.so is loaded RTLD_LOCAL > > > - smp aware > > > - backendswitching > > > - strictly synchronous like jack1. (-> no latency penalty) > > > - clickless connections. > > > - shuts down audio processing when cpu is overloaded for too long. > > > > > > i also released PyJackd which is a wrapper around libjackserver. > > > > > > features: > > > - commandline for backendswitching > > > - pulseaudio dbus reservation. > > > > > > > > > get it here: > > > http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/tschack-0.120.1.tar.gz > > > http://hochstrom.endofinternet.org/files/PyJackd-0.1.0.tar.gz > > > > Not sure what half of that means :) > > One thing I think you forgot to mention but might be of interest is > > jack-session support > > right. jack-session is supported. but thats what jack1 and jack2 also > support nowadays. > > well.... which of the features is unclear ? Oh, I thought there is no jack1 release with jack-session yet, dunno about jack2. > > > features: > > > - jack1 mlocking Means for a user? > > > - controlapi which works even when libjackserver.so is loaded RTLD_LOCAL Means for a user? > > > - smp aware > > > - backendswitching Means for a user? > > > - strictly synchronous like jack1. (-> no latency penalty) Async (jack2?) has a latency penalty? > > > - clickless connections. > > > - shuts down audio processing when cpu is overloaded for too long. I guess most users don't know very much about the technical details of the jack implementations. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Dec 31 21:41:07 2010 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:41:07 -0500 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: <20101231201629.GA29659@aieee.restivo.org> References: <20101231055351.GC20789@aieee.restivo.org> <20101231201629.GA29659@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > Yes, that Soulive. Awesome show. ?They opened with "Steppin", and then went from there. They did a Beatles medley, which was fun too. Then Karl Denson came out and did a second set with them, and then Nigel Hall came out and sang the last part of the set too. oh good grief. karl denson w/soulive? that's just too damn funky for just about anyone. i saw karl denson's tiny universe years ago and have a few of his records - that band (whoever is in it) is just on fire. > A good time was had by all. I spent a lot of time over by stage left, studying what the keyboard/bass player was doing. Which was, mostly, keeping the keyboard parts simple, and going bananas on bass instead. > > This is what he was using for a bass sound: > http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian.php he was playing a MIDI bass pedal? From ken at restivo.org Fri Dec 31 23:23:06 2010 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:23:06 -0800 Subject: [LAU] (double) bass samples for Linuxsampler In-Reply-To: References: <20101231055351.GC20789@aieee.restivo.org> <20101231201629.GA29659@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20101231232306.GF29659@aieee.restivo.org> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 04:41:07PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > > Yes, that Soulive. Awesome show. ?They opened with "Steppin", and then went from there. They did a Beatles medley, which was fun too. Then Karl Denson came out and did a second set with them, and then Nigel Hall came out and sang the last part of the set too. > > oh good grief. karl denson w/soulive? that's just too damn funky for > just about anyone. i saw karl denson's tiny universe years ago and > have a few of his records - that band (whoever is in it) is just on > fire. > I'd never heard of him before this seeing that show. I was very impressed. He was the highlight of the night for me, actually. The band looked absolutely thrilled and honored to be working with him, and they said so too, several times. I can see why. > > A good time was had by all. I spent a lot of time over by stage left, studying what the keyboard/bass player was doing. Which was, mostly, keeping the keyboard parts simple, and going bananas on bass instead. > > > > This is what he was using for a bass sound: > > http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian.php > > he was playing a MIDI bass pedal? No, he was playing what looked like a weighted-key MIDI keyboard controller with his left hand, which was connected to that Trillian sampled bass. So his setup was, B3, then a MIDI controller for bass sitting atop the B3, then a Clav on a rack on top of that. The MacBook was on a stand to the right. They live in Woodstock, I thought. If you're on the East Coast, I'm sure there are lots of opportunities to see them. -ken From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 23:23:48 2010 From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea.grammostola) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:23:48 +0100 Subject: [LAU] NDK drums, gigafile or SFZ? Message-ID: <4D1E6604.3090805@gmail.com> Hi, Is there a gigafile or SFZ file for the Natural Drum Kit available? Thanks. \r