On 23/06/2010, Julien Claassen wrote: > a Japanese fellow wrote an ogg encoder > specially designed for low bitrates. Would that be the aoTuV encoder? http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/ He's up to beta 5.7, based on Vorbis 1.2.1rc1; Vorbis 1.1 included beta 2.