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Tue May 4 11:52:15 UTC 2010
cheap 5.1 channel 1723 "Via Tremor" available in a zillion configurations
and boards -- the only reason I bother with this P.O.S. is that it has a
waveterminal header for my Yamaha DB60XG), I've learned this is an issue
that affects a lot of people and not only prosumer cards like the M-audio
Delta (ice1712) but also low-end and including built-in to motherboards and
media stations:
This particular card for example is documented as working with the following
( http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt):
Module snd-ice1724
------------------
> Module for Envy24HT (VT/ICE1724), Envy24PT (VT1720) based PCI sound
> cards.
* MidiMan M Audio Revolution 5.1
* MidiMan M Audio Revolution 7.1
* MidiMan M Audio Audiophile 192
* AMP Ltd AUDIO2000
* TerraTec Aureon 5.1 Sky
* TerraTec Aureon 7.1 Space
* TerraTec Aureon 7.1 Universe
* TerraTec Phase 22
* TerraTec Phase 28
* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1
* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 LT
* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 XT
* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 HIFI
* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 HD2
* AudioTrak Prodigy 192
* Pontis MS300
* Albatron K8X800 Pro II
* Chaintech ZNF3-150
* Chaintech ZNF3-250
* Chaintech 9CJS
* Chaintech AV-710
* Shuttle SN25P
* Onkyo SE-90PCI
* Onkyo SE-200PCI
* ESI Juli@
* ESI Maya44
* Hercules Fortissimo IV
* EGO-SYS WaveTerminal 192M
> model - Use the given board model, one of the following:
revo51, revo71, amp2000, prodigy71, prodigy71lt,
prodigy71xt, prodigy71hifi, prodigyhd2, prodigy192,
juli, aureon51, aureon71, universe, ap192, k8x800,
phase22, phase28, ms300, av710, se200pci, se90pci,
fortissimo4, sn25p, WT192M, maya44
Unfortunately my $5.00 card
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1724#Dynex_DX-SC51, though claimed to
be supported in ALSA isn't supported very well because there's no
special-case code telling how many DACs, how many MPU401 ports, etc:
> ICE1724 0000:01:07.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKB] -> GSI 19 (level, low) ->
IRQ 19
> ice1724: No matching model found for ID 0xc3140517
> ice1724: Invalid EEPROM version 1
Fortunately, when I play one of the Yamaha XG wunder-midi (
http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php ) through this $5 Dynex -- really
just a glorified holder for my Yamaha db60xg --I hear shredding on my
headphones and I know all is well: "aplaymidi -p 40:0 vchile.mid" :-). Or as
I told my sister, "best damn $20.00 synthesizer I ever bought"... reply:
"twenty dollar synthesizer" that sounds like a good band-name!
With the above error message the Dynex comes up in a minimal 2-channel
mode... trying different similar model= configurations, jackd pukes all over
the place (sometimes locking up the machine trying to open 8 dacs when only
6 available etc)... I finally got SPDIF working, using 'plug' to keep it
from balking at source-material that isn't in the exact same S32_LE
bitformat needed by the card.
Checking the sourcecode to see what was up w/ it's total lack of 5.1-ness,
and also to decide which model= variants to try, I noted a giant unworkable
pain in the butt (this "1712" code also includes the 1724):
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=tree;f=sound/pci/ice1712
This results in all manner of problems and workaraounds for very minor
variants of essentially the same chip: http://envy24.svobodno.com/ (mine's
not on there boohoo).
Multichannel sound is a big problem, with the following as good proof:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843012
Also a problem -- digital outs, both under ALSA and pulseaudio:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut
I think it all needs to be solved, once and for all, across-the-board
without dividing into camps and pointing fingers.
-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im=
">To clarify, I meant to ask if chips, other than ice1712 are affected.</di=
v></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>From my recent research getting an ice1724 card working=
(Dynex dx-sc51 a cheap 5.1 channel 1723 "Via Tremor" available i=
n a zillion configurations and boards -- the only reason I bother with this=
P.O.S. is that it has a waveterminal header for my Yamaha DB60XG), I'v=
e learned=C2=A0this is an issue that affects a lot of people and not only p=
rosumer cards like the M-audio Delta (ice1712) but also low-end and=C2=A0in=
cluding built-in to motherboards and media stations:</div>
<div><br></div><div>This particular card for example is documented as worki=
ng with the following (=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documenta=
tion/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt">http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documenta=
tion/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt</a> ):</div>
<div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left=
-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: soli=
d; padding-left: 1ex; ">
=C2=A0=C2=A0Module snd-ice1724</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
=C2=A0=C2=A0------------------</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); =
border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<br></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px=
; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-wi=
dth: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; =
padding-left: 1ex; ">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Module for Envy24HT (VT/ICE1724), Envy24PT (VT1720) base=
d PCI sound cards.</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-=
style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* MidiMa=
n M Audio Revolution 5.1</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0=
.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border=
-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* MidiMa=
n M Audio Revolution 7.1</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0=
.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border=
-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* MidiMa=
n M Audio Audiophile 192</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0=
.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border=
-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* AMP Lt=
d AUDIO2000</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-t=
op: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-=
left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: =
solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* TerraT=
ec Aureon 5.1 Sky</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; b=
order-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-s=
tyle: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* TerraT=
ec Aureon 7.1 Space</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex;=
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left=
-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* TerraT=
ec Aureon 7.1 Universe</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.=
8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-=
left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* TerraT=
ec Phase 22</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-t=
op: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-=
left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: =
solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* TerraT=
ec Phase 28</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-t=
op: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-=
left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: =
solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; bor=
der-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-sty=
le: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 LT</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-=
style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 XT</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; =
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-=
style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 HIFI</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex=
; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-lef=
t-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 HD2</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex;=
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left=
-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 192</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; bor=
der-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-sty=
le: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Pontis=
MS300</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0=
px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-=
width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid=
; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Albatr=
on K8X800 Pro II=C2=A0</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.=
8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-=
left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Chaint=
ech ZNF3-150</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-=
top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border=
-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style:=
solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Chaint=
ech ZNF3-250</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-=
top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border=
-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style:=
solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Chaint=
ech 9CJS</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:=
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-lef=
t-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: sol=
id; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Chaint=
ech AV-710</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-to=
p: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-l=
eft-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: s=
olid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Shuttl=
e SN25P</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left=
-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: soli=
d; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Onkyo =
SE-90PCI</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:=
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-lef=
t-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: sol=
id; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Onkyo =
SE-200PCI</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top=
: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-le=
ft-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: so=
lid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* ESI Ju=
li@</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px;=
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-wid=
th: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; p=
adding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* ESI Ma=
ya44</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px=
; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-wi=
dth: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; =
padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* Hercul=
es Fortissimo IV</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; bo=
rder-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-st=
yle: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>* EGO-SY=
S WaveTerminal 192M</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex;=
border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left=
-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<br></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px=
; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-wi=
dth: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; =
padding-left: 1ex; ">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0model =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Use the given board model, =
one of the following:</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.=
8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-=
left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> =C2=A0re=
vo51, revo71, amp2000, prodigy71, prodigy71lt,</blockquote><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-botto=
m: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(=
204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> =C2=A0pr=
odigy71xt, prodigy71hifi, prodigyhd2, prodigy192,</blockquote><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bo=
ttom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: r=
gb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> =C2=A0ju=
li, aureon51, aureon71, universe, ap192, k8x800,</blockquote><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rg=
b(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> =C2=A0ph=
ase22, phase28, ms300, av710, se200pci, se90pci,</blockquote><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rg=
b(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> =C2=A0fo=
rtissimo4, sn25p, WT192M, maya44</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Unfortunat=
ely my $5.00 card=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1724=
#Dynex_DX-SC51">http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1724#Dynex_DX-SC51</a>=
, though claimed to be supported in ALSA isn't supported very well beca=
use there's no special-case code telling how many DACs, how many MPU401=
ports, etc:</div>
<div><br></div><div>> ICE1724 0000:01:07.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKB] -=
> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19</div><div>> ice1724: No matching m=
odel found for ID 0xc3140517</div><div>>=C2=A0ice1724: Invalid EEPROM ve=
rsion 1</div>
<div><br></div><div>Fortunately, when I play one of the Yamaha XG wunder-mi=
di (=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php">http://www.b=
lueman.name/Creations_XG.php</a>=C2=A0) through this $5 Dynex --=C2=A0reall=
y just a glorified holder for my Yamaha db60xg --I hear shredding on my hea=
dphones and I know all is well: "aplaymidi -p 40:0 vchile.mid" :-=
). Or as I told my sister, "best damn $20.00 synthesizer I ever bought=
"... reply: "twenty dollar synthesizer" that sounds like a g=
ood band-name!</div>
<div><br></div><div>With the above error message the Dynex comes up in a mi=
nimal 2-channel mode... trying different similar model=3D configurations, j=
ackd pukes all over the place (sometimes locking up the machine trying to o=
pen 8 dacs when only 6 available etc)... I finally got SPDIF working, using=
'plug' to keep it from balking at source-material that isn't i=
n the exact same S32_LE bitformat needed by the card.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Checking the sourcecode to see what was up w/ it's =
total lack of 5.1-ness, and also to decide which model=3D variants to try, =
I noted=C2=A0a giant unworkable pain in the butt (this "1712" cod=
e also includes the 1724):</div>
<div><div><div><a href=3D"http://git.kernel.org/?p=3Dlinux/kernel/git/torva=
lds/linux-2.6.git;a=3Dtree;f=3Dsound/pci/ice1712">http://git.kernel.org/?p=
=3Dlinux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=3Dtree;f=3Dsound/pci/ice1712</=
a></div></div>
<div><br></div><div>This results in all manner of problems and workaraounds=
for very minor variants of essentially the same chip:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http=
://envy24.svobodno.com/">http://envy24.svobodno.com/</a>=C2=A0(mine's n=
ot on there boohoo).</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>Multichannel sound is a big problem, with the fol=
lowing as good proof:</div><div><div><a href=3D"http://ubuntuforums.org/sho=
wthread.php?t=3D843012">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3D843012</=
a></div>
</div><div><br></div><div>Also a problem -- digital outs, both under ALSA a=
nd pulseaudio:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut=
">http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut</a>=C2=A0</div></div><div><b=
r></div>
<div>I think it all needs to be solved, once and for all, across-the-board =
without dividing into camps and pointing fingers.</div><div><br></div><div>=
-- Niels</div><div><a href=3D"http://nielsmayer.com">http://nielsmayer.com<=
/a></div>
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