[LAU] Linux programs for creatiing/manipulating sound effects

[Hartmut Noack]

Am 09.02.2011 11:50, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
> Excerpts from david's message of 2011-02-09 11:28:10 +0100:
>> Folderol wrote:
>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 06:33:03 -1000
>>> david<gnome at hawaii.rr.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>> Am 08.02.2011 09:15, schrieb david:
>>>>>> Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 08.02.2011 08:35, schrieb david:
>>>>>>>> Robin Gareus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2011 04:40 PM, Mike Cookson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> For non-realtime (including non-linear, like montage) processing you
>>>>>>>>>> need only plugins (ladspa, lv2, vamp) and some editor like Audacity,
>>>>>>>>>> mhWaveEdit or something other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For realtime (also called
>>>>>>>>>> non-destructive editing... hm, probably, they are right :) you need
>>>>>>>>>> set of various software, that could be used at one time and be
>>>>>>>>>> connected each to other).
>>>>>>>>> real-time effects processing and non-destructive editing often go hand
>>>>>>>>> in hand, but note that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "non-destructive" means that the original [audio] data will never be
>>>>>>>>> modified. Any edit/effect/modifications are saved as new files (or
>>>>>>>>> remebered as application-settings operating on the original data).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> audio-editors (rezound, audacity, sweep, etc) are usually destructive:
>>>>>>>>> load file, apply effect, save file ->  original file is gone.
>>>>>>>> Audacity is import audio file, apply effect, save project (optional),
>>>>>>>> export in chosen format. It never replaces the original file.
>>>>>>> So there is a major dfference between audiofiles, you have imported
>>>>>>> and audiofiles, you have recorded with audacity -- correct?
>>>>>> No, I never have. I usually use JACK, and have never been able to make
>>>>>> Audacity work with JACK. I've only done the following things with
>>>>>> Audacity:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Import 16 tracks of 32-bit WAV files (recorded on another machine
>>>>>> from my church band's Firewire interface using some Windows software)
>>>>>> and do basic mixing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Trim and cleanup voice audio recordings made on my PDA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Trim and convert wave files recorded using jack_capture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Pitch shift prerecorded MP3s if needed for band members who play
>>>>>> solely by ear (if the recording's in Eb and we're playing it in D,
>>>>>> they're lost).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have the time and brains needed to learn Ardour, go for it!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is a myth, that Ardour is too complicated to learn for a
>>>>> beginner.
>>>> Perhaps it's a myth for others. I responded only from my own experience.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of folk here who use Ardour and do wonderful things
>>>> with it. Advanced features? I couldn't tell an advanced feature from a
>>>> basic feature. I couldn't even figure out to simply record anything with
>>>> it, and Ardour's "automagic" setup didn't seem to include that connection.
>>>>
>>>> No insult to Ardour, I'm no audio techno whiz. I figured I'd wait til
>>>> Ardour 3 is released and I have the time to learn it.
>>>
>>> I had exactly the same experience. Twice over a two year period!
>>>
>>> These days I either record with timemachine, then process later in audacity, or
>>> record directly into Rosegarden, where I usually have associated MIDI tracks.
>>
>> I'm starting to record directly into Rosegarden more now.
>>
>> Sometimes I just start up jack_capture, then clean up and such in Audacity.
>
> For recording I'm also a fan of timemachine because of its simplicity.
> You push the big button or press space and it records.

I do so quite similar using qarecord (timemachine did not worked 
perfectly enough for me for such a simple task...)
Whenever I just want to record a stream from a synth I am testing or a 
short idea -- whenever I do not plan to use the powers of Ardour as a suite.

But the thread starter asked for solutions to manipulate and edit audio 
and for that Ardour and SND are the gold-standard in Linux the latter 
not the most obvious choice for beginners so I recommend Ardour.

> You want another
> take, press space twice. A simple peak meter is built in, the 'record
> the past' feature is nice but I don't really need it. Most importantly
> it simply works, jack_capture gives me problems with jack connections
> and jack_capture_gui2 has some benefits but seems to have some problems
> as well. If you use a vastly more complex program such as ardour or
> rosegarden the potential for problems is much larger as well. I'm not
> only talking about fatal errors but about all those tiny annoyances as
> well. If there are fatal problems you use another program until those
> are resolved, but those tiny annoyances are what distract you, ruin your
> creativity and productivity. Most of us are the musicians and recording
> engineers at the same time, so the process of recording must not be
> distracting, it has to just work so you can keep on your muso-hat and be
> creative.
>
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