[LAU] [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

Gabriel M. Beddingfield gabrbedd at gmail.com
Fri Aug 17 11:57:19 UTC 2012

On 08/14/2012 01:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html
>>> Mostly I just read arch-general and try to understand arguments.  I do,
>>> however, find this contribution the thread to which you refer very
>>> saddening.
>>> It is not the way I interpret the vast majority of contributions here.
>>> "Let's do it. It's about time we lose these ML trolls.
>>> --
>>> Gaetan"
>>> Perhaps we should all just shut up and do as we are told.

Sure, systemd sucks.

...But so does sysvinit.  That's why every distro has their own 
non-standard, customized init script wrappers that you're not ever 
supposed to invoke directly.

Have you ever actually tried to get SysV Init scripts to work out the 
dependencies among themselves?  Even if you get the non-standardized 
syntax right... most SysV implementations don't even support it (e.g. 

systemd offers solutions to this that result in faster boot-time, a more 
reliable boot (fewer race conditions), and (eventually) less system 
init-script maintenance time.

SysV only offers that "after all the countless hours of hand crafting 
these damn scripts and hand-sorting them into the right order -- if you 
don't touch them then they won't break."

At some point you have to turn a deaf ear to nay-sayers and move on.


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