[LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies

Gabbe Nord gabbe.nord at gmail.com
Fri Aug 16 08:57:50 UTC 2013

..matters a lot to us all. (sent the mail too soon...)

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord at gmail.com> wrote:

> If we move past the current arguments of "don't complain about free
> stuff", there's something pretty interesting to discuss that we all could
> benefit from; how do we make this better?
> From both a user and a developers standpoint, how do we make this
> interaction better? What can users do to provide better bug reports, and
> how should they be handled? Are there guidelines for most projects as to
> how users should report bugs? Can we simplify this bugreporting somehow for
> the user, and at the same time make it more powerful to the dev?
> What does developers think is lacking in this interaction right now? What
> does users think's lacking?
> One point Hermann made is that devs more or less only gets contacted when
> there's something wrong with their application. I can really see how that
> is, and that's very unfortunate. For me, one of the greatest draws to Linux
> Audio is the fact that I can so easily interact with the people who write
> the applications I use. A tighter community integration would be great for
> most people. We have forums like Linuxmusicians.com, which might be a bit
> more laid back than the projects official forums. Maybe we could try and
> use LM-forums as a gathering point for the community for real? If we make
> sure every project that wants gets its own sub-forum, getting together and
> both discussing as well as helping each other gets very easy. Any thoughts
> on that idea?
> For me personally as a user, I can subscribe to a lot of Louigi's
> thoughts. The applications I use more or less always has some fairly basic
> functionality that's either half or fully broken. Even if there's reports
> and a will to help debug, there's only so much one (or at best, a handful)
> developer can do. What's basic and a *must* functionality for me, might not
> at all be important to the rest. This is a reality, but can we make it
> better?
> Please feel free to answer any of my questions here. I'd love to hear what
> both developers and users have to say about this, as this is something that
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, hermann meyer <brummer- at web.de> wrote:
>> Am 16.08.2013 07:14, schrieb Louigi Verona:
>>  "It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the project or
>>> developer a favor by merely using it."
>>> Perhaps some people, but I do not subscribe to such a view ;)
>>> I'll repeat once again - it was just sharing of my experience that
>>> surprised myself and I wanted to
>>> tell about it - that even a rather dedicated user can go through such a
>>> phase. There is really
>>> no frustration or complaining, but, if course, I did anticipate that
>>> someone might react that way.
>>> I do say very positive things about Linux Audio if you read my site, so
>>> I just do not agree that you
>>> attacking me as someone who just complains is constructive or necessary
>>> ;)
>>>  So what do you want to reach with your podcast? You talk about your
>> frustration about the situation in Linux Audio, and you get the same
>> answer, from those who do the work, which ever comes in such situations.
>> Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way
>> around. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't
>> burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there
>> asses.
>> If you see a other way, let us know.
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