[LAU] Fuck your sexism

[Marije Baalman]

Hiho,


I had to go back and find this original post (or was there more that I
missed? ... not watching this list so closely at the moment), to see
what the fuzz was all about.


My 2 cents:

The picture per se is not so much the problem, I think, the alternative
picture suggested (jokingly?) by the person using <male> as nickname
would be problematic. But more importantly, I get the impression (from
his remark about the angry wife) that the person using <male> as
nickname in the IRC has a serious problem with his wife, and respect
towards her, and maybe women in general, and I can't escape the
impression that his marriage is suffering from it. But alas, there's
only so much you can interpret into a short chat history that you
didn't partake in.


As for the remarks concerning portraying women in burka's or not...
(somewhere in the discussion) I read this book by a Dutch author Joris
Luyendijk, who had been to Egypt to learn more about the culture there,
specifically the muslim culture. One of the most striking things I
found the rationale about the restrictions in women's wear, which I
found to be more degenerative towards men than women. The rationale
seems to be that men cannot control themselves, and therefor need to be
protected from seductions. In this I interpret that they consider men to
have less self control than women...

Of course, Western society is totally exploiting sex and sexuality for
advertising purposes, and this is quite problematic as it causes
problems in terms of self-image and media-imposed role-models - of
which both men and women are victims.

Both music and free, open source software communities are IMHO both
fields, where a countermovement against mass-media practices can take
place and can have an impact, so please let's not waste this
opportunity to do so. (in that sense, one should consider whether
taking an image from popular culture is the right thing to do for a
default desktop).



Sexism in informatics/engineering does occur; most worryingly reflected
in the difference in payment between men and women for the same job.
I've heard stories of couples graduating from the same university
course of computer science, where the man got hired at a larger start
salary than the woman, even though she did better in university (as
reflected in her grades) - statistics reflect this story on a much
larger scale. This is where the real problem lies.


Personally, I've had both good and bad experiences; I've lead a team of
wonderful programmers to work on the WFS system in Berlin, but I've also
encountered some situations where I had to drop a few technical terms
before I was taken seriously by a fellow programmer. I've also had many
situations where I was fixing the hardcore techy stuff, which the men
involved in the project weren't able to figure out.
I'm still wondering whether positive discrimination is a good or a bad
thing - it does feel strange sometimes.


To shift the balance:
- to those of you raising kids, make sure that you don't impose a
  specifically male of female role model onto your kid. If a boy wants
  to learn to sow, let him; if a girl wants the electronics kit, give
  it to her (I sure had lots of fun with it).
- in teaching, give equal kind of attention to any person you teach. As
  a teacher you should try and get the best out of any person
  regardless of gender.
- in general, be respectful to any kind of person, and try not to
  generalise people based on gender, sexuality, social class, race,
  or whatever. :)


Anyway, as I've mentioned before to the lads at the LAC, I've found it
a pleasant enough company to be around in; see you at the next one!

I've got to get back to work now ;)

sincerely,
Marije


On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:51:09 +0100
SxDx <sed at free.fr> wrote:

> http://sed.free.fr/fuck_your_sexism.ogg
> 
> Shit music, shit recording, for shit people.
> 
> Inspired by some shit on IRC freenode/#lad
> (see below, especially
> "<male> falktx_: Ah, but you're not a 350lbs angry wife." and
> "<falktx_> I think it's very cute")
> and some crap on this almost female-free mailing list.
> 
> Sexism. Is. Not. Tolerable.
> It's true in the "real world" (think: shit countries,
> including yours, wherever you are),
> and even more in places promoting freedom, like this list.
> 
> If you don't see sexism in that picture, chances
> are your brain is doomed. Don't come bullshit me,
> I don't care about you. I won't talk to you.
> 
> Do some research on sexism, as described by women,
> how it affects them, how hard it is for them most
> of the time to spit on your sexist bastardish face.
> 
> I am not a woman. I spit on your face.
> I don't care if you insult me after
> that email. I don't care if you ban me.
> I just can't stand sexism, period.
> 
> Fuck you if you're a sexist.
> Fuck your sexism.
> 
> ----------------------
> <falktx_> yes!
> <falktx_> :)
> <nilsge> falktx_: shane richards?
> <falktx_> I'm 24 btw
> <falktx_> yep
> <nilsge> then I'll read that instead of deleting it
> <falktx_> my windows apps stopped working on linux, lol
> <male> falktx_: I had to look up the image to see what he was talking 
> about... hardly offensive.
> <hurfadurf> haha what
> <falktx_> this pic: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr124.png
> <falktx_> it's Hatsune Miku
> <falktx_> a big thing on japanese culture actually
> <falktx_> I've switched the default to be without her pose, but the 
> 12.04.1 KXStudio ISO will remain with that as default
> <falktx_> I think it's very cute
> <hurfadurf> haha, oh man.
> <male> falktx_: Ah, but you're not a 350lbs angry wife.
> <nilsge> falktx_: you are ecchi, man
> <nilsge> lol
> <hurfadurf> male: whoa, shots fired!
> <hurfadurf> haha
> <falktx_> that was just pure rant
> <falktx_> I only got 1 single complain about that miku pic, and its
> from a guy I talk to frequently
> <falktx_> basically he never went to me to say anything at all
> <falktx_> Q&A, yeah
> <male> falktx_: Change it to this (NSFW) in the next release: 
> http://goo.gl/HRFE1
> <falktx_> for the record, I still maintain the 10.04/Lucid repos
> <falktx_> male: nice
> <falktx_> male: oh, even better, randomly show pics when least
> expected ;) <falktx_> maybe patch jack to do it on xruns
> <falktx_> haha
> <male> I will never understand Japanese culture.
> <falktx_> these things make me sad. half of those are not true
> <falktx_> some people will see the rant and ignore it, but I'm afraid 
> some might actually believe it
> <male> falktx_: Compare him to Hitler so we can hurry up and end this 
> thread ;-)
> <falktx_> I'm not replying
> <falktx_> I barely reply to ML, it's annoying
> <male> falktx_: Anyway, there was no point to his suffering. He
> should have had an offsite backup.
> <falktx_> or asked directly
> <falktx_> I have links to the old Lucid ISOs
> <falktx_> they will still work
> <SxDx> (where am I...)
> * You have left channel #lad ("better leave than read that crap")
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