[LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 09:37 -0500, drew Roberts wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 February 2013 18:36:44 Al Thompson wrote:
> > On 02/12/2013 11:46 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
> > >> It's a necessary consequence of Kinsella's argument that some idiot with
> > >> a DVD burner can spend a few hours copying content he didn't create, and
> > >> he has exercised his inviolable property right while the people who made
> > >> that profit possible -- on the basis of years of training and practice
> > >> -- are screwed.
> > >
> > > Please explain why they are so *ignorant* as to not make those copies
> > > themselves and sell them?
> >
> > Perhaps the composer IS making copies and selling them.  That is his
> > right, since he owns the copyright.  Or perhaps he ISN'T, because he has
> > decided for whatever personal reason that he doesn't want the work 'out
> > there.'
> >
> > Explain who either of these situations would give YOU the right to make
> > copies of someone else's work and sell them.
> 
> Would it be OK with you if someone made those copies and gave them away 
> instead of selling them?
> 
> You are assuming the existance of copyright law *and* you are assumning that 
> it is morally and / or ethically right. You go to far. It is this that you 
> need to debate here.
> 
> I know I have no way to do this legally as things stand now. But from what I 
> see, as things stand now, it would not surprise me if a majority of the 
> people were commiting felonies with respect to copyright law.
> 
> Back in the early 80's, I was a proponent of copyright law in my country when 
> we basically didn't have one to speak of. At the time, I was more ignorant 
> and the general state of copyright laws were not as bad. Also, the state of 
> the world was such that they did not impact normal everyday activities or 
> regular folks as much. Things have gotten much worse.
> 
> If there were no copyright law, I would certainly have the right to make and 
> sell copies of published works. Just like these folks are making and selling 
> copies of books in the public domain:
> 
> http://www.us.penguingroup.com/static/pages/classics/hardcoverclassics/index.html
> 
> You cannot make a case of what is simply right and wrond by pointing to 
> existing copyright law. You can only make a case for what is legal and 
> illegal by doing that.
> 
> Unless you care to make the case that every law, everywhere and at all times 
> has been completely right.
> 
> 1. If people got an automatic copyleft and not an automatic copyright.
> 2. If you had to register your work to get a copyright.
> 3. If copyright only lasted as long as current day patents.
> 4. If copyrgiht was only a civil issue adn not a criminal one.
> 5. If the creators could never part with more than 50% of their rights.
> ...
> 
> Do you see where I am heading?
> >
> > > There is a world of material out there that it is legal to copy and sell.
> > > How many do it? Why don't you if it is so easy to make money that way?
> >
> > It's hardly easy to make money by SELLING what is available for FREE.
> > Sure, it happens.  There are a few places on the internet where you can
> > pay to download something (like an owner's manual) that is available FOR
> > FREE on the manufacturer's website.  Since the manufacturer in this case
> > makes it available for free, they aren't really ripping off the
> > manufacturer, but I'd say they are ripping off the consumer.
> 
> So, those Penguin folks are ripping off the consumer? I mean, you could 
> download the books from Project Gutenberg right? Should someone alert the 
> authorities that they are ripping off the consumers?
> 
> Here is a point you are ignoring. If you can't make money selling things that 
> are legal to copy and that can be obtained for free. How can you make money 
> selling things that are illegal to copy but are also available for free via 
> download however illegally? How do people sell knokcoff CDs and DVDs when 
> they are available as free downloads?
> 
> all the best,
> 
> drew

Full ACK with Drew's opinion :).