[LAU] ffmpeg or libav

[Dan MacDonald]

In all three of these examples it wasn't the fault of the Debian
maintainers that these alternate versions get used, it was the authors of
the software switching from Free a software license such as the GPL to one
that the Debian social contract no longer considers free or trying to
enforce copyright on corporate logos or whatever.

I for one am glad that Debian has some standards here and is willing to
maintain them. If you happen not to like it and you are pro copyrights and
non-free software then you are free to use Ubuntu, Red Hat or another
distro that is more open to non-free or coryright software.

It's Debian's social contract that also stops stuff like the Amazon spyware
making its way into the Debian repos along with the fact its not run by a
corporation which definitely makes if different from Ubuntu and even more
so the Apple and Google app stores.

There are web pages dedicated to the underhand, often criminal tactics that
have been employed by MS and Apple over the decades yet I know of no such
list of nasties for Debian or any other community distro other than the
usual whines of disgruntled users which you get with any OS. Some of you
may not like Debian but they are certainly not in the same league as MS for
nastiness by any stretch of the imagination.

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas <
pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sat, January 12, 2013 1:40 am, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
>> > On Saturday 12 January 2013 10:19:59 Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>> >> http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html seems to say
>> >> that
>> >> ffmpeg is integrating libav patches and not vice versa
>> >>
>> >> [Sorry for asking a political question]
>>
>> I knew about this one.
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks for exposing this issue. I think that it is important, because it
>> > illustrates a negative and recurrent pattern from some Linux distros.
>> > Another
>> > example:
>> >
>> > CDRecord or Wodim?
>> > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html
>>
>> Thanks for this info.
>>
>> How many other ones are there?
>>
>>
> One of my favourites: Mozilla Firefox vs. Iceweasel and friends
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project
>
> I guess you want me to be more --verbose ...
>
> By "pattern" I mean this mindset: "Our App Store (official distro
> repositories) is ours to allow and deny what is available and what not,
> and we
> can arbitrarily throw your software out if we want, but unlike Apple we
> are
> not evil."
>
> The consequences are similar: users can't easily access software they
> want,
> even if it is free software that the authors are willing to distribute
> gratis
> and freely. The three given examples are not equal though. The worse case
> is
> cdrecord, replaced by that old and unmaintained wodim fork in almost all
> distros. As a consequence, Linux users can't write BluRay discs, and may
> suffer problems writing DVD discs as well. The issue with Firefox is more
> important than trademarks and logos, because users may be exposed to
> security
> risks fixed by Firefox which may not be available in Iceweasel with the
> same
> speed. The solutions may be comparable as well: jailbreak your device, and
> download from Cydia or alternative stores...
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
>
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