[LAU] [Bulk] Re: Lossy audio to lossless format

Peder Hedlund peder at musikhuset.org
Mon Oct 6 11:57:28 UTC 2014

Quoting Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com>:

> On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 09:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com>
>> wrote:
>>         Your ears are probably the best tool. Some hear well, and some
>>         do not.
>>         I am amazed at the number of people who cannot tell if mp3 has
>>         ever been
>>         in the mix. To me its obvious, when your ears get tired of it,
>>         and want to
>>         "change the station" in just a minute or so, its been an mp3
>>         at some
>>         point.
>> For crying out loud, stop this nonsense!
>> It is established without any shadow of a doubt that the overwhelming
>> majority of the population CANNOT tell the difference between a
>> reasonable bit-rate encoding in mp3 format and the original PCM data.
>> This isn't up for debate.
> For crying out loud, stop this nonsense Paul!
> Just because several people can't distinguish cheese made of raw milk
> with cheese made from heated milk, doesn't mean that the tests are ok.
> I'm unable to stand heated milk, I'm unable to stand cheese made from
> heated mild and I'm unable to stand MP3. Yes, there are double-blind
> tests that confirm that people guess the real taste of a strawberry is
> the artificial taste and that the natural taste is artificial. IOW if
> you make double-blind tests with degenerated idiots, the results will be
> idiotic.

For crying out loud folks, stop arguing and test it yourselves!

Take a song or a snippet of a song, use the latest lame version and  
compress it into different files using -V5 to -V1, load it up into  
foobar ABX or squishyball or any other ABX program and see if you can  
actually tell the compressed and uncompressed audio apart.

For the snippet I used I could tell the difference up to around  
160kbps, after that it became pure guesswork.
I would be very suprised if the majority on this list could tell the  
difference above 200kbps.

  - Peder

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