[LAU] Google Magenta project's first composition

Bob van der Poel bob at mellowood.ca
Sat Jun 4 20:38:03 UTC 2016

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk>

> On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 21:21:10 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 05:09:02 -0400, tom haddington wrote:
> > >One might observe that the machine wrote bad music.  Well, humans are
> > >already doing that, too, so Magenta has gotten at least that far!  As
> > >with chess machines, it may be a matter of time.
> >
> > The point isn't, if a machine is able to fake music, it doesn't
> > matter, if it's good or bad faked music. What the machine generates is
> > completely uninteresting to me, since a machine has got no
> > emotions I'm interested in. A machine has got no emotions at all, so
> > even if the machine would generate "good music", it would be faked "good
> > music", emotional fraud. Human impostors are able to e.g. fake love.
> > Victims often feel more loved by an impostor, than by somebody who
> > really loves them. Fraud could make us feel good, we anyway
> > dislike fraud. That just shows what kind of company Google is. A human
> > might be an untalented musician, but at least a human usually has got
> > real emotions. A machine that is able to fake "good music" has got
> > absolutely nothing to do with progress. It's a damage. Developing
> > something like this shows the unimaginativeness of the developers.
> > Nobody needs it, it's good for absolutely nothing and even not a
> > useful step to learn something for useful AI projects or something
> > like this.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> For once I'm in total agreement with Ralf :o
> Furthermore, there is not exactly a life-threatening shortage of music, so
> what
> 'need' does machine generated music fill?
> --
> Will J Godfrey
> http://www.musically.me.uk
> Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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​It's easy to argue that a machine has no soul, etc.

But, is machine produced music (or anything else for that matter) really
just machine produced music? Or is it music produced by a real human who
has directed or even created a machine to be an extension of himself?
Carrying the argument to it's silly end point, the only worthwhile music
would have to be vocals?

​I might be able to create a machine to do work for me. But, it would never
produce (for example) rap music ... I'd just not add that capability.

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