[LAU] Google Magenta project's first composition

Erik Steffl erik at zasran.com
Sun Jun 5 05:12:24 UTC 2016

On 06/04/2016 12:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 05:09:02 -0400, tom haddington wrote:
>> One might observe that the machine wrote bad music.  Well, humans are
>> already doing that, too, so Magenta has gotten at least that far!  As
>> with chess machines, it may be a matter of time.
> The point isn't, if a machine is able to fake music, it doesn't
> matter, if it's good or bad faked music. What the machine generates is
> completely uninteresting to me, since a machine has got no
> emotions I'm interested in. A machine has got no emotions at all, so
> even if the machine would generate "good music", it would be faked "good
> music", emotional fraud. Human impostors are able to e.g. fake love.
> Victims often feel more loved by an impostor, than by somebody who
> really loves them. Fraud could make us feel good, we anyway
> dislike fraud. That just shows what kind of company Google is. A human
> might be an untalented musician, but at least a human usually has got
> real emotions. A machine that is able to fake "good music" has got
> absolutely nothing to do with progress. It's a damage. Developing
> something like this shows the unimaginativeness of the developers.
> Nobody needs it, it's good for absolutely nothing and even not a
> useful step to learn something for useful AI projects or something
> like this.

   great emotional impact on audience does not require great emotional 
investment of performer/author. Think of ocean or sunset or flowers - no 
emotions but they are beautiful/impactful. (you might now change 
argument to what's natural or not but that's a separate argument, only 
pointing out the emotions here)


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