[LAU] Linkedin - Out
louigi.verona at gmail.com
Fri Jun 17 09:23:52 UTC 2016
I've read the links carefully. Some of it was known to me, a lot of it was
not, but also some of it I am aware very well about and know as a fact that
this has nothing to do with "spying", but can see how such calls to what is
being called as "3rd party websites" can appear nefarious to people outside
of the ad tech industry (yes, most of the 3rd party calls have to do with
advertising, of course).
I can say several things so far on the matter.
1. I think that some (though, not all) of the work that EFF and FSF do is
important. They are not the only ones doing it, of course, but these
organizations are mostly relevant to this community.
2. This work has already provided a lot of results and one today can do a
lot to give the minimum of information to any 3rd parties. Is it perfect?
No. But is it definitely better? Sure.
3. So the important conclusion is that there is control being leveraged at
corporations big and small and there are a lot of gains in this territory.
Therefore, messages on problems with privacy online should be more nuanced
if they are to reflect reality.
4. There is a big difference between government surveillance and between a
company gathering your data anonymously to show you ads. Google or
Microsoft should be tightly controlled by the public, however this control,
in my view, should not take the form of ideological hatred.
5. Ideological hatred and even a level of intellectual superstition that
was demonstrated in this thread ("I will delete my account immediately from
LinkedIn, because Microsoft announced they are buying the company" sort of
stuff) certainly does not help us make this world better. What it does is
change the tone of conversation from evidence-based rational discourse to
emotionally charged hate speech, that paints large groups of ordinary
decent people as "evil".
6. Additionally, such position does not allow for correction of
information. And when someone who works in the industry, the deeds of which
are of concern, provides information that could actually calm some of the
anxiety, he is just labeled as an unreliable source, which only further
propagates alarmist messages with little bearing on reality. And that lack
of connection with reality is by definition, really, as such ideology is
preserved by blocking any new evidence. Therefor, it stops being dependent
on the state of the real world.
So, my initial decision to reply to Will's message was not in black and
white opposition to his views, but in an opposition to such rampant
ideological outbursts, which, if we take them on board, will make each one
us less rational and less equipped to deal with the situation as it really
And definitely Will is not alone in his views. Yours truly had held exactly
same views in the past. But, provided new evidence, I have since revised
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:21:23 +1200, worik wrote:
> >Facebook do not now ... where I live
> You fake your IP before you visit facebook? However, you are using
> facebook with faked data only? You are writing with other people about
> something, that has nothing to do with your interests? If so, then your
> interest is to fake a life and facebook knows what life you fake. As an
> employee I take a look what superiors are doing. Some already were
> pissed off, imputed that I hacked their accounts, but actually I'm
> even not subscribed to facebook and things like this and I never
> hacked anything. Many people are simply to stupid to know what they made
> public for everybody.
> A list of servers in mail headers + a service such as
> https://www.denic.de/en/service/whois-service/ could provide useful
> Even if you are using tor, you aren't safe. You e.g. visit facebook by
> tor and at the same time Ardour phones home, this doesn't help
> facebook, but anybody else watching you. This and other pitfalls are
> explained on the tor website and as Fons already pointed out, Schneier
> is one of the most important sources.
> Sometimes spying isn't done by complex algorithms and hacking accounts,
> it's just reading public data and calculating that 1 + 1 is 2.
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