<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <blockquote style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"> <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">On 10/08/2018 11:16 PM, Dale Powell wrote:<br> <br> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> > *From:* Linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user-bounces@lists.linuxaudio.org> <br> > on behalf of David W. Jones <gnome@hawaii.rr.com><br> > *Sent:* 09 October 2018 00:46<br> > *To:* linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org<br> > *Subject:* Re: [LAU] GxPlugins.lv2, Wayland and X (Was: Re: <br> > Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 140, Issue 9)<br> > <br> > <br> > On October 8, 2018 2:27:50 AM HST, Juha Siltala wrote:<br> > > <br> > > > Hmm, do they work on Ubuntu 18.04's Gnome3-based user interface<br> > > > running on top of Wayland (without X)?<br> > > <br> > > AFAIK any X client will work in a Wayland session just fine, thanks to<br> > > XWayland.<br> > > <br> > > JS<br> > <br> > XFCE won't run on Ubuntu 18.04 unless you set Ubuntu to use X<br> > instead of Wayland. And it doesn't run reliably even then.<br> > <br> > <br> > Xorg is the default, not Wayland, so you must have enabled Wayland to be <br> > using it at all (although it does come with it as shipped so you can do <br> > so at install I would assume.)<br> > <br> > <a href="https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default"> https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default</a><br> > <<a href="https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default">https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default</a>><br> > <br> > Bionic Beaver 18.04 LTS to use Xorg by default | Ubuntu blog <br> > <<a href="https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default">https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default</a>><br> > Bionic Beaver, the codename for the next Ubuntu LTS release, is due in <br> > April 2018 and will ship with both the traditional Xorg graphics stack <br> > as well as the newer Wayland based stack, but Xorg will be the default.<br> > blog.ubuntu.com<br> <br> That's not what happened to me.<br> <br> > But neither Xubuntu<br> <br> There doesn't appear to be an XUbuntu release anymore.</div> <div class="PlainText"><br> </div> </span></font></div> </blockquote> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">Same place it's always been.</div> <div class="PlainText"><a href="https://xubuntu.org/download#lts" id="LPlnk395957">https://xubuntu.org/download#lts</a></div> <div id="LPBorder_GTaHR0cHM6Ly94dWJ1bnR1Lm9yZy9kb3dubG9hZCNsdHM." class="LPBorder162860" style="width: 100%; margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 16px; position: relative; max-width: 800px; min-width: 424px;" contenteditable="false"> <table id="LPContainer162860" role="presentation" style="padding: 12px 36px 12px 12px; width: 100%; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(200, 200, 200); border-radius: 2px;"> <tbody> <tr style="border-spacing: 0px;" valign="top"> <td style="width: 100%;"> <div id="LPTitle162860" style="font-size: 21px; font-weight: 300; margin-right: 8px; font-family: "wf_segoe-ui_light", "Segoe UI Light", "Segoe WP Light", "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12px;"> <a target="_blank" id="LPUrlAnchor162860" href="https://xubuntu.org/download#lts" style="text-decoration: none; color:var(--themePrimary);">Download Xubuntu « Xubuntu</a></div> <div id="LPDescription162860" style="font-size: 14px; max-height: 100px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: "wf_segoe-ui_normal", "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-right: 8px; overflow: hidden;"> The 18.04 release, codenamed Bionic Beaver, is a Long Term Support release and has support for 3 years. To learn more about the release, please refer to the release announcement, which has links to complete release notes as well as highlights of the improvements in the release. If you don’t know ...</div> <div id="LPMetadata162860" style="font-size: 14px; font-weight: 400; color: rgb(166, 166, 166); font-family: "wf_segoe-ui_normal", "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif;"> xubuntu.org</div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> <div class="PlainText"><br> </div> <div class="PlainText"><br> </div> </span></font></div> <blockquote style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">> nor Ubuntu Studio, the two releases based on XFCE, <br> > come with Wayland. Not sure why you would be using it on an XFCE system <br> > at all.... The way things currently stand not sure I'd use it on <br> > anything but a KDE/Plasma install.<br> <br> I downloaded the 18.04.1 LTS, installed it over my existing 16.04 LTS <br> installation. It never prompted me about choosing between Wayland or X.</div> <div class="PlainText"><br> </div> </span></font></div> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">When I added XFCE4 to it after 18.04.1 was successfully installed, XFCE <br> either wouldn't start or it would freeze up. It still doesn't get along <br> with the Gnome3 privacy screen, either.<br> <br> I found this post:<br> <br> <a href="https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-wayland-and-enable-xorg-display-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux">https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-wayland-and-enable-xorg-display-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux</a><br> <br> Where it states that the default Ubuntu 18.04 BB installation comes with <br> Wayland enabled, and you need to disable Wayland to use X instead.</div> <div class="PlainText"><br> </div> </span></font></div> </blockquote> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">I would have been more inclined to believe the official Ubuntu Blog post but if that wasn't your experience how can I argue. I've only installed the Studio and the Xubuntu versions of 18.04 which I'm pretty sure were Xorg...</div> <div class="PlainText"><br> </div> </span></font></div> <blockquote style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">And here's a post about XFCE transitioning to Wayland:<br> <br> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/73gihm/are_there_any_plans_for_xfce_on_wayland/">https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/73gihm/are_there_any_plans_for_xfce_on_wayland/</a><br> <br> Not encouraging.<br> </div> <div class="PlainText"><br> </div> </span></font></div> </blockquote> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">That's from when 17.10 was coming out with Wayland, and from what I read was a bit of a failure, hence why they're back on Xorg...<br> </div> </span></font><br> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"></span></font></div> <blockquote style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText"><br> -- <br> David W. 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