Marek Peteraj <marpet(a)naex.sk> writes:
>> I still don't understand how the Linuxaudio.org consortium is
>> represting anyone but its members (as is the case for all consortia,
>> which usually don't represent anyone but their own members).
>
> We all want to promote Linux Audio. The question is - what's the best
> way to do it?
>
> As i see it, the term 'linuxaudio' unifies the following:
> *linux audio developers
> *linux audio users
> *linux audio applications/projects
>
> We shoudln't further fragment the community by setting up more mailing
> lists
I might or might not agree with the above sentence (I don't,
especially because I don't quite digest people who tell me what I
should or shouldn't do) but in any case it answers a completely
different question.
As was already pointed out, mailing lists (as well as projects,
consortia, associations, whatever) get created and if there is no
interest they die (aside from the fact that the mailing lists
currently working on linuxaudio.org are quite consortium specific).
And anyway you can always Cc: two mailing lists if you feel a subject
is worth dicussing on both places.
> and using a domainname which can act as an entrance or a meeting
> point for all the 3 mentioned above.
The whole issue of the domain name still looks quite ridicolous to me,
given that:
- linuxaudio.org is not the only domain name available which could
fulfill the role of a "entrance" or "meeting point" (as Steve Harris
already pointed out);
- linuxaudio.org has been available for ages. Why didn't anybody care
(why didn't *you* care) to register it if it had such a symbolic
importance for the whole "community" (whatever this "community" is) ?
Anyway, as a member of the Consortium, as soon as the voting
mechanisms are set up, I will propose the creation of relevant
sub-domains to host (and/or redirect to) Libre Software audio
projects. For example:
jackit.linuxaudio.orgardour.linuxaudio.orgecasound.linuxaudio.org
and/or
news.linuxaudio.org (for general news)
help.linuxaudio.org (for general help)
Any proposals are appreciated.
> The second problem is - protection. OSS software can be easily
> abused as it's 'naked' so to speak. Having a consortium consisting
> of companies and projects seems like having both a wolf and a sheep
> in one bag.
I don't get your point, but I'm very interested in your (or anybody
else's) ideas on how Libre Software can and should be legally
protected from abuse (which, mind you, doesn't necessarily come from
companies, but anyway).
> Besides it's not clear whether the companies mentioned on the la.org
> members page have any relation to the applications mentioned on the
> same page.
I didn't understand this.
I've put consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org in Cc:, please keep it (and
remove linux-audio-dev if you feel this discussion is off topic here).
bye,
andrea
Dave Robillard <drobilla(a)connect.carleton.ca> writes:
> On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 13:54, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
>> Dave Robillard <drobilla(a)connect.carleton.ca> writes:
>>
>> > ? Grow up. I mentioned a concern about the list being closed and
>> > all of a sudden I'm being flamed and made fun of? (The first thing
>> > I ever said in this discussion I might add) Maybe if you're trying
>> > to 'represent' people you should adopt a mannerism not
>> > characteristic of 14-year-old script kiddies.
>>
>> Sigh. I guess next time I'll have to add a longer disclaimer. For
>> the record, I didn't mean to take fun on you. I was trying (albeit
>> with poor results) to have some fun together (maybe <auto-ironic> is a
>> better tag, I don't know).
> 'Apology' accepted, and sorry for getting offended, but I'm sure you can
> understand - I voiced a concern, and essentially was lumped in with the
> slashdot "Micro$loth sux0rz" crowd.
I guess the real problem was that non-native speakers should never try
to be ironic or in any case try to bend a foreign language beside its
basic rules. Irony is difficult enough to express and understand in
one's own language.
> Anyway, I think the general lesson to be learned here (for everyone I
> mean) is to tread carefully and mind /everyone's/ opinions and
> concerns. Not all of us are simply mindbent on linux world domination
> (and some of us are).
I am (but I aim at Libre Software world domination, Linux is just a
very useful technical tool to do the trick for now).
> Some people take this whole freedom thing very seriously, and get
> mighty defensive when it's threatened. That is the whole point of
> our little operating system here, after all..
If you look at the consortium-p archives you'll see that I perfectly
agree. Actually, some of my positions were discussed and rejected
because they were too extreme (and as such difficult to implement) in
this regards. I had no problems with it, because as all things in
life you learn to do compromises if you think the goal is worth it.
And in the end you always have the option to opt out (or not to join
at all).
Just to say that obviously the consortium is not entirely made up of
corporate "wolves" who don't know or don't care about freedom
(honestly I don't see how one could reach this conclusion looking at
the current members' list, but anyway).
And of course, that doesn't mean I want or I can represent anybody but
myself and the project I currently manage.
bye,
andrea
> Ok, for the time being that named representative is me. As we see
> how the consortium works and operates there is a chance we replace
> me with one of our other team members depending on what kind of
> profile we decide our representative should have.
That's fine. I've added GStreamer to the members page at:
http://linuxaudio.org/en/members/index.html
I'll also add you to our management board mailing list (this is still
being set up).
If any GStreamer team members would like to join our general mailing
list, it is at:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/consortium/
Cheers
Daniel
