> I'm planning to attend the Conference, Frank Neumann invited me at
> the Musikmesse last week and I think this year I'm definitely going
> to make it.
Glad to hear it!
I've now downloaded the examples from
http://www.clearscale.org/html/results.html so I can hear what you
mean.
> Regarding clearscale.org: I actually didn't announce it yet on
> these lists, first, because I was unaware of their existence and
> second, because the site is basically online as of yesterday. I'd
> be happy if you could forward the information to them.
It might be better if you sent a formal project launch announcement
to:
linux-audio-announce(a)music.columbia.edu
It's a strictly moderated list, so the mail will take a little while
to go out - but this is definitely a good place to start.
Cheers
Daniel
Hi Stephan,
> I got this note by way of Axel Hartmann of Hartmann Music, I'm the
> Hartmann DSP guy also working for Prosoniq and as a freelance
> consultant (http://www.dspdimension.com).
We have a number of members who are actively involved in DSP work, so
I'm sure they would be very interested to check out the information
on your site (if they haven't already).
On your site, I notice that you're from Karlsruhe - a number of us are
heading there for the International Linux Audio Conference at the end
of this month. Are you planning to be there?
> The linuxaudio.org web site sounds and looks very interesting,
> however, due to my NDA I cannot decide on behalf of Prosoniq and
> Hartmann if it is interesting or relevant for these companies to
> participate.
That's fair enough. In fact quite a few of our contacts are being made
at an informal level, without interested parties necessarily becoming
members of the consortium.
> The reason why I'm contacting you today is because I have a new
> project pertaining to my work at dspdimension.com that might be of
> interest to linuxaudio.org as well - please find it at
> http://www.clearscale.org
I'd say this is definitely of interest to our members, especially
since you are proposing to release your code under the GPL. I'd be
interested to know the advantages that your project will offer over
the existing time stretching software that I've used, such as the
tempo change effect within Audacity.
(I'll confess that although I've used this kind of software, I'm
unclear about the benefits of the various designs!)
Have you posted an announcement on the linux-audio-announce or
linux-audio-developer mailing lists?
Thanks for getting in touch!
Daniel
Hello all,
I've had another trade show enquiry - is anyone on this list attending
the Nab Show in Las Vegas, 19-22 April? (It's the National
Association of Broadcasters event).
http://www.nabshow.com/
It would be good if we could participate in this kind of event,
perhaps as the guest of a sponsor to keep it affordable.
Cheers
Daniel
I'm sorry my French isn't good enough to make an accurate reply in
that language...
> Agnula won't be present but it is possible that there will
> be a linuxaudio.org booth.
I presume you mean Frankfurt Musikmesse, taking place at the end of
this month:
http://musik.messefrankfurt.com/global/en/home.html
I've had another enquiry about linuxaudio.org presence there, but so
far none of the members have said that they will be attending.
Perhaps we can be involved next year, or at the events in Russia and
China.
> This consortium is more adapted to
> discuss with Creamware.
I agree, but I don't personally have any contacts with the company. I
see there has been some recent activity on alsa-devel which sounds
very relevant:
http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg11861.html
Cheers
Daniel James
Director
http://linuxaudio.org
Hello all,
I've had an enquiry about linuxaudio.org participation in the
Frankfurt Musikmesse, taking place at the end of this month:
http://musik.messefrankfurt.com/global/en/home.html
If anyone is planning to be there, please let me know and I will put
you in touch with our contact. It's a little late to organise a stand
this year I guess, but I notice there are now Musikmesse events in
Russia and China...
Cheers
Daniel
> I am committing myself to helping out on the linuxaudio.org stand
> within the not-for-profit '.org village' at Linux User Expo, I
> would like to be there for the whole thing, definitely the 21st, if
> that's what you need.
That would be very helpful - thanks! Steve Harris has offered to do
the 20th, and I'll be doing the 21st. Steve, could you bring your
tube of posters again? If the Rosegarden lot have any more of those
A6 flyers we could give those out too.
> I've not done this sort of thing before, as I mentioned. I assume
> it's mostly a case of being there and talking to people about
> making music on Linux (?)
Absolutely - at this stage, some people don't believe that it's
actually possible to make and record music on Linux-based systems, so
to put the proof in front of people is really valuable. I do
understand people's scepticism, because there's been a lot of
vaporware in the past and Linux audio sounds too good to be true...
> My immediate thought is that it would be nice for me to have an
> Agnula system to play with & show people
I took an old Toshiba laptop with me to Sounds Expo, running Demudi
1.1.0. I was able to run Hydrogen and JACK Rack with a flanger plugin
together without xruns, which was not bad considering it is only a
Pentium II 300 MHz.
Cheers
Daniel
Hello all,
Is there anyone (other than the Rosegarden project - already listed)
who would be interested in helping out on a linuxaudio.org stand
within the not-for-profit '.org village' at Linux User Expo in
London, April 20-21?
http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk/
I'm planning to be there anyway, but I'll probably be working on
another stand or in the conference for at least some of the time. The
BBC R&D department has expressed interest in having a presence there
too, so perhaps we can form a cluster of multimedia-related stands
with the Rosegarden lot.
Cheers
Daniel James
Director
http://linuxaudio.org
> Perhaps instead of rotating the hardware, we could set up a
> scheme whereby one developer or site 'X' agrees to be the
> maintainer of support for device 'Y', and other developers who
> want to test their software on 'Y' have to work with 'X'. That
> way, 'X' gets the benefit of having the loan hardware on-site,
> but also has the responsibility to work with the community on
> support for it.
This is completely wrong. I would never advise open-source developers to borrow a device in order to get a job done
for free and additionally have responsibilities(such as returning the hw and responsibility to work with the community on
support for it). This should be a responsibility of the company that manufactures that device.
Obsequiousness is not what's going to help us.
Curently, as very few companies provide open source drivers for their hw unfortunately,
the company can either donate a device or provide specs if that developer already bought their device.
If you already own a device (whether donated or not) it's in your personal interest to get the driver done.
If you're not a developer capable of coding a driver, you can either
a) pay someone to get it done
b) pester him and pray that he will accept ;)
In that case you would lend him your own hw.
That means there's no need to talk about responsibility. It just isn't how opensource works.
We should be advising people to buy hw which is already supported.
Regarding the 'Linux Audio' conference announcement on linuxaudio.org:
Daniel, AFAIK it's Linux Audio Developers ZKM conference, but sounds like it's now a linuxaudio.org conference.
To quote you from jan-12-2004 "Secondly, as important as the ZKM conference is, it
has no official status." Well now it sounds it has got an official
status. But it sounds more like it's now a linuxaudio.org conference
more than a LAD conference. If you view linuxaudio.org as a separate
project, i think it's fair to call things by their right names and not
usurp an event for your own project.
On Tuesday 03 February 2004 08:14, Richard Bown wrote:
> > You simply haven't thoroughly read my messages.
> Tell you what Marek. Why don't we play a game of who can keep quiet the
> longest? You start.
I win. ;)
Marek
> > Before talking about an individual developer's
> > "responsibility" to do free work for a hardware company, we should
> > be talking about that developer's worth to the company.
> > Perhaps - but let me put it like this. The professional Linux audio
> market is currently so small as to be insignificant to a hardware
> company. We currently rely on good will to get any loan hardware or
> specifications.
> while i may agree with the general gist of marek's first objection, it
> seems to me he is (again) shooting the messenger here.
And you're again insulting me publicly, although i woudln't say a word
if you didn't know about my intentions long ago.
> it is certainly more desirable to have vendors supply drivers or
> development samples of hardware without strings attached. but the fact is,
> many don't.
That doesn't mean we should encourage *loans* for the purpose of doing a driver which should be done by companies.
"You're going to do the driver for us, return the hw in a perfect condition and as soon as possible."
They deserve a lot more than be treated like that by companies.
As i said before, all we can do right now is:
1. advise people to buy hw which already is supported. nice advertising btw.
2. require donations and specs for hw which isn't available
3. widen the userbase considerably, there's lots of tools and mechanisms that would help us to achieve that.
> if i understood daniel's intent correctly, he is trying to provide a
> *mechanism* for how hardware loans and/or donations should be handled.
> marek is talking about *policy*. in good unix tradition, those should
> kept separate.
Well i was talking about the *purpose* of hw loans, to be clear enough.
But i'd like to know how you distinguish a policy from a mechanism in this case, Joern.
Marek
> That is not an insult.
> If you would like your agruments to be considered than do not bury >
them in such nonsense.
http://eca.cx/lad/2004/02/0078.html
I suggested linuxaudio.org for LA* mailing lists and an updated site
with news in July 2003. I suggested it to Joern because he's the admin
of those lists. No answer until january -
http://eca.cx/lad/2004/01/0354.html
I think i have a *very good* reason to think that he's insulting me.
"he's (again) shooting the messenger" Marek
