Re: [Consortium] problem about inclusion of Ubuntu

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hi Ivica and all, On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 12:19:29PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: why do we need to have this abduction now? i find the above statement quite depressive, when given by the linuxaudio.org director, i'll explain why: there are many needs, many people and many distributions. consider that Ubuntu is not oriented to multimedia nor is properly prepared for it: needs quite some re-configuration (which is yet another debian->ubuntu->whatsnext derivate then?). so to pinpoint projects responsible for its usability in audio i reckon after our discussion that ubuntustudio and some package mantainers (marillat, agnula/demudi and debian mantainers etc.) should be considered more than the omnipresent brand you proudly show on your laptop. Mako Hill says about Ubuntu that yes is a fork but forking is not a problem. i think it's right unless the branch grows more than the tree; then we're gonna have a problem at the roots. in order to properly recognize the communities and developers that really make things possible, i suggest you take more care to look into the bush Ivica, we need this for the good of our own consortium members. [...] i'm not talking about tainting :) money is just money we are not barefoot hippies (it might be the case someone of us enjoy being it from time to time?) anyway such a "money tainted" concept doesn't applies to our consortium i guess. what i mean with "not the best way" is that there are better sustainable ways to exchange values at our stage, one of which is already well active (but not properly considered, is my perception): visibility and trustability. in fact, the value we are sharing already among each other is trust. now go ask a gnu/linux mantainer of today what the word "trust" means for him :) imagine all this armies of users we have behind here and how much they trust us in running the software we publish... that's merchandising. do we need it? yes, until a certain degree, if there is someone good at it willing to do more, but such activities should form a chapter that sustains itself IMHO. well then, my issue is just about inclusion of Ubuntu (and not ubuntustudio) and of Mark Shuttleworth here. we already sent out an announcement mail without discussing it first here, i'm glad to see there is still some space for discussion. so far i didn't read any mail here in favour of inclusion of Ubuntu, only in favour of ubuntustudio. i'm looking forward to hear what the consortium as a whole think about it. so we go for a membership support scheme to gather some money for our consirtium? yes, i think can be a good way! especially when someon here has the money, which happened already, can really help. i just hope that the most of the money out of that doesn't gets all expended in beaurocracy and mantainance, but we can do some more... well, let's see how many we are first :) ciao - -- jaromil, dyne.org rasta coder, http://afrolinux.org