If you don't want to subscribe, so be it.
But don't come back later
accusing anyone of keeping discussions "closed".
What are you talking about? I contacted Daniel immidiatelly after i
found out about this. Pretty much everything was private at that time.
That's a huge difference. And there's still no neutral place which would
serve for advocacy related discussions.
And don't whine if I
forget to put you in Cc:.
You don't have to. Luckily i can *now* read it here:
http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/consortium/2004-January/thread.html
Was a
consortium really launched to *create*?
Yes, in the widest possible sense of "creating" (which is not only
writing code, although this is of course a very important part).
And of course, focusing on a press release *title* is quite an
interesting way to discuss the goals and workings of any organization.
Discussing? I haven't seen any discussions.
Do you usually reply to e-mails on the basis of the Subject: line ?
?
Who will be given credit if the linux audio apps
become widely used?
The consortium? It's members? Which members?
I suppose that intelligent people will give credit to the
applications' authors, to documentation writers', to events'
organizers, etc, etc.
The problem is that projects aren't
organisations from a legal point
of view.
Not all of them.
*None* of them. There's only one relationship between the authors of a
project and the project itself. Copyright.
Combining them with companies doesn't make
much sense. A foundation
would offer additional protection as it would consist of developers
participating in linux audio projects which are subject to such
additional protection.
Which additional protection, *exactly*?
So what if a company(member) that has no direct involvement in a project
abuses that project(member)? How is your consortium going to protect the
project?
Problems such as those Fred pointed out could be
easily avoided.
Please show how.
Electing Fred as a member of that organization since he's a natural
person, he's active in a project.
Unfortunately
this isn't happening. It puts a consortium of
companies in the spotlight while keeping the community aside.
Of the 18 members currently listed on:
http://linuxaudio.org/en/members/index.html
we have:
- 10 Libre Software projects (AGNULA, ALSA, Ardour, Audacity,
dyne:bolic, GStreamer, Jack, Jamin, Plugin.org.uk, Rosegarden)
- 2 companies which are directly involved with Libre audio
applications (Fervent Software, Linux Audio Systems)
- 2 companies (Mandrake Soft, 4Front Technologies) which might not be
*so* directly involved, but have contributed to Libre Software in
general;
- 4 companies (Boost Hardware, Core Sound, Lionstracs, Mirror Image
Studios) which have showed interest in Libre Software and are
providing customers with GNU/Linux based audio systems;
I honestly can't see how the companies are put
into the spotlight
(supposing this is wrong "per se", something I don't believe).
"consortium of companies and libre software projects"
That's
1. companies
2. libre software projects.
I was surprised to see how many of lad
subscribers and you guys
underestimate the issue that LAD is not "only a" mailing list
anymore.
You underestimated it in the first place, given the fact that
linuxaudio.org has been free for a long time.
?
I did underestimate the fact that somebody else might get the domain for
different purposes.
I *don't* underestimate the importance of LAD.
Just an example - 2 job offerings were posted
on LAD during this
week. Having a job bulletin board on
linuxaudio.org would come very
handy for those searching for *linux audio* related jobs. Per
analogiam, *linux audio* users, developers etc would find *linux
audio* related information.
Again: I'm more than willing to propose the other consortium's members
to provide hosting space for such services. Are you volunteering to
maintain them?
Not unless the domain acts as home for LAD, LAU and LAA at first place.
I'm even willing to buy that domain for the purpose of providing it for
the three mailinglists.
We need *basic* services first, if we want to promote linux audio.
That's providing news, and documentation, tutorials for both developers
and users.
Establishing a serious organization governed by law(ownership,
contracts, tax exemptions, grants, etc) and providing services is the
last step.
Marek