24 Jan
2004
24 Jan
'04
1:19 p.m.
On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 11:05, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
You could read everything even before, you just had to subscribe.
There was no link. Remember?
*None* of them. There's only one relationship between the authors of a
project and the project itself. Copyright.
Speaking of Libre Software projects in general, that's not true (that
they are not organizations from the legal point of view - it depends).
read below
So what if a company(member) that has no direct involvement in a project
abuses that project(member)? How is your consortium going to protect the
project?
What are the ways in which a consortium member could abuse another
consortium meber in any way that it can't already do?
think, and read the LAD linuxaudio.org thread again.
Not unless the domain acts as home for LAD, LAU and LAA at first place.
I'm even willing to buy that domain for the purpose of providing it for
the three mailinglists.
Even though I've been thinking for some time to propose the other
Consortium's members to change domain name (just for the sake of not
losing time on stupid arguments like this) it's highly probable that I
would vote *against* selling it to you, given the way in which you are
presenting your ideas
Given the way you are responding. You were speaking to me in an
offending tone from the start.
I'd like to do that for LAD, LAU, LAA instead. Thanks.
Offending tone.
Marek
Marek Peteraj <marpet(a)naex.sk> writes:
You could even propose to the members?? No thanks.
What are you talking about? I contacted Daniel
immidiatelly after i
found out about this. Pretty much everything was private at that
time. That's a huge difference. And there's still no neutral place
which would serve for advocacy related discussions.
AGNULA will gladly offer hosting space for any such mailing list.
If we reach a consensus on how to handle this thing, I could even
propose (as a consortium member) to host the mailing list under the
lists.linuxaudio.org domain. But obviously you don't want to mesh
your purity with such an evil organization (there are even companies
as members, no more!).
In any case, if you need hosting space for your domain, mailing list,
web site, whatever, feel free to drop me a line:
<andrea.glorioso(a)agnula.org>
No thanks.
And
don't whine if I
forget to put you in Cc:.
You don't have to. Luckily I can *now* read it here:
http://lists.agnula.org/pipermail/consortium/2004-January/thread.html The problem is that projects aren't organisations
from a legal point
of view.
Not all of them. Combining them with companies doesn't make much
sense. A foundation
would offer additional protection as it would consist of developers
participating in linux audio projects which are subject to such
additional protection.
Which additional protection, *exactly*?
In any case, see points 4-7 of the policy.
think
Electing Fred as a member of that organization
since he's a natural
person, he's active in a project.
And how would this solve the problems you are talking about? How
would this avoid the problems I talked about?
(For the record, I have no problem with Fred and/or Salem Radio being
members of the Consortium).
No consortium please.
"consortium of companies and libre software
projects"
That's
1. companies
2. libre software projects.
Let me understand.. if we had said "consortium of libre software
projects and companies" it would have been ok to you? Just an example - 2 job offerings were posted on
LAD during this
week. Having a job bulletin board on linuxaudio.org would come very
handy for those searching for *linux audio* related jobs. Per
analogiam, *linux audio* users, developers etc would find *linux
audio* related information.
Again: I'm more than willing to propose the other consortium's members
to provide hosting space for such services. Are you volunteering to
maintain them? and your obvious prejudice against companies
(and, I should add, the basic fact that you accurately
avoid answering
questions you don't know how to answer).
Listen. I'm not going to repeat myself over and over again. Almost
everything has been said in the LAD linuxaudio.org thread. Basic law
background would help you to understand. I don't have the energy to
explain things when all i get is your offending tone.
We need *basic* services first, if we want to
promote linux audio.
That's providing news, and documentation, tutorials for both developers
and users.
You know, people here have been doing it for some time, without
worrying too much about domain names. If you are willing to
contribute, I have plenty of things to do inside AGNULA (documentation
writing, graphical artwork, web mastering, news collecting and
newsletter writing) that are *all* libre and could use some help. Establishing a serious organization governed
by law(ownership,
contracts, tax exemptions, grants, etc) and providing services is
the last step.
So do your homework and then come back later.